[0:41] now

[0:45] Dan can you hear it just now

[0:49] hello Ben

[0:51] got it all right looks like we're

[0:56] good

[0:58] okay

[0:59] all right it's uh

[1:03] 203 October 18th I will open this uh

[1:07] Grand County Commission uh workshop on

[1:09] special events in attendance we have

[1:12] commissioner Sarah stock Kevin Walker uh

[1:14] Jesse Kovash Trisha Dean Mary McGann and

[1:17] myself Josh Hadler we also have uh clerk

[1:21] Gabe Wake Tech admission commission

[1:23] administrator Mallory Nassau and

[1:24] Associate administrator Quinn Hall and

[1:28] from special events we have Angie book

[1:30] director of osta and Rachel Bartlett

[1:35] um with the economic development

[1:37] department and special events

[1:39] coordinator

[1:40] um I will turn this over to Angie and

[1:43] Rachel at this time

[1:45] okay I'm so would you guys like us to

[1:48] start with just going event by event and

[1:51] we answer questions

[1:54] okay maybe explain the

[1:56] we need

[1:57] to go through

[1:59] criteria how to

[2:06] yeah I think you're like starting with

[2:07] the ordinance probably just I think just for the public it'd probably be

[2:10] worth going over

[2:12] um criteria and

[2:14] um I guess yeah exactly okay we haven't

[2:16] passed the ordinance yet so okay you

[2:19] might want to chime in a little bit on

[2:21] this because I'm not as familiar with

[2:23] the ordinance it's going to be moisture

[2:25] As You Are

[2:28] so what we're going to do is go over the

[2:30] criteria

[2:31] um for these events being here these are

[2:34] the high impact events that meet County

[2:38] Commission requirement for needing

[2:40] approval so these are the events that

[2:45] um are over a certain number do you want

[2:48] to

[2:48] I would say

[2:51] what they are is we have the little

[2:54] special event advisory committee meet

[2:56] yeah and so I think this catches some

[2:58] that are kind of in a in a gray area

[3:01] like well

[3:03] like we continue this could be high

[3:06] impact based on but it's not a

[3:10] we're not at the point and I don't think

[3:13] we're going to set it up that it's ever

[3:15] you know black and white we want to keep

[3:17] it kind of holistic but this is within

[3:19] the ordinance in terms of the size but

[3:23] there are other things that we capture

[3:26] that we thought until that is ironed out

[3:29] with the ordinance we just thought it

[3:30] would be best to bring it to all of you

[3:32] that sounds good but you guys decided

[3:34] get your feedback on a

[3:37] um so the way we have it set up is it

[3:41] will be the event

[3:43] um the date of the event the total daily

[3:46] attendance so the total daily tenants is

[3:49] everything and hold those participants

[3:51] that's staff that's registration uh

[3:54] volunteers that's the whole toll

[3:58] um and then some staff notes we thought

[4:01] we would just touch on the important

[4:03] notes and Angie on the attendance I know

[4:06] I'm in the past there's been some

[4:07] confusion about whether attendance is

[4:08] number of vehicles or number of people

[4:10] yeah in the for the events listed here

[4:12] is all the number of people it's all of

[4:15] it

[4:17] okay so if I see a motorized event with

[4:20] 40 people I can guess that might you

[4:22] know should be in 20 or 30 vehicles

[4:29] know that answer I'll try to give that

[4:32] as I go through

[4:33] um so the first one and we numbered them

[4:35] so as I go through I'll give the number

[4:37] and then see if it

[4:40] so the first one is the Arches ultra

[4:42] marathon and the type is athletic it's

[4:46] competition it's a running event the

[4:48] date is January 28th total daily

[4:50] attendance is 1 385.

[4:54] staff knows is this is a running event

[4:56] I'm using Brands kwanzo's Klondike glove

[4:59] it has a five years of history and good

[5:02] standing and the ITA was also approved

[5:05] by SEC before all the process changes

[5:11] any questions on that event

[5:15] um where do you know where it's staged

[5:17] from they started the brands and then

[5:19] they run through some of the trails in

[5:21] Quantum product Blossom and come back

[5:22] through

[5:27] I like it that it's in January

[5:29] is a great time

[5:33] the Mad moose right which is which is

[5:35] local that's the Ricks right yeah Denise

[5:37] and Justin yeah

[5:41] the next one we're going into February

[5:43] this is Bob's Red Hot it's also an

[5:46] athletic competition event the date

[5:48] February 18th total of daily attendance

[5:51] is 1100. also running an event

[5:54] um the event is using lower Gemini

[5:56] Bridges area 16 years of history in good

[5:59] standing it also was

[6:02] um the ITA was approved through sec is

[6:12] I'll just keep going you guys let me

[6:13] know if you have questions okay I think

[6:14] that's great yeah

[6:16] um really quickly I'm sorry if this has

[6:18] already done what I say for people

[6:20] listening what SEC is

[6:21] oh second is the special event

[6:25] advisory committee

[6:29] um March attempt to Appliance number

[6:32] three is lineup Red Cliffs this this is

[6:35] actually a group of eight concerts

[6:39] um spanning over the season

[6:42] they don't have their exact dates yet

[6:44] but they wanted to get their attempt to

[6:46] apply it because they'll be starting in

[6:48] the spring

[6:49] and so it's March through June and

[6:52] they're looking at eight dates and

[6:54] they're looking at 750 per event

[6:57] um their music events held at Red Cliffs

[6:59] Lodge using a permanent stage

[7:02] um and then the schedule is not

[7:03] finalized yet

[7:05] yeah

[7:07] go ahead Mary so this would be an event

[7:09] that uh

[7:10] for locals to go to the concert

[7:13] [Music]

[7:16] um are they on the weekends or is there

[7:19] should be done they don't have those

[7:21] dates

[7:22] I think one of them that we said I

[7:24] wouldn't say was April 30th but they're

[7:26] working with the artist's schedule so

[7:28] they're kind of catching people as

[7:29] they're going from Denver to Salt Lake

[7:31] and stuff like that so some of them

[7:32] would probably be on a weekday some of

[7:34] them will probably be weekends there's

[7:36] no way to know at this point and this

[7:38] will be the first year for these they

[7:40] actually have done two three

[7:43] um for this this fall I think two of

[7:45] them are already happened and there's

[7:46] one coming up next month were they as

[7:49] large I don't think they're as large all

[7:51] the numbers are can't say maximum

[7:54] anticipated attention so these are very

[7:56] optimistic projections

[7:58] yeah we told them to go with a higher

[8:01] number rather they'd rather be safe than

[8:03] sorry on the low number I mean I I like

[8:07] the sound of music

[8:09] um my concern here is just the level of

[8:13] traffic on the River Road and if it's on

[8:14] Peak weekends what's happening then

[8:19] I mean the filming is having a huge

[8:22] impact on traffic on the River Road also

[8:24] and that's

[8:26] it's just a very high use area but I'm

[8:29] not sure

[8:31] it's hard to know if it's if we don't

[8:32] know when the dates are or when I spoke

[8:34] to Stephen Stephen Walker from my place

[8:36] he's student organizing he is

[8:38] anticipating a certain percentage of

[8:40] that being the people who are staying at

[8:42] the lodge as well um you didn't give me

[8:44] an exact number because again this is a

[8:46] new series

[8:48] it takes a couple years to kind of

[8:49] figure out exactly where people are

[8:50] coming from

[8:52] yeah

[8:55] excuse me

[9:00] any other questions on the red Cliff's

[9:02] events

[9:04] okay so number four is Moab run the

[9:07] Rocks it's also an athletic competition

[9:10] event the dates are March 3rd through

[9:12] March 5th daily total attendance is 500.

[9:16] um running event Gemini Bridges

[9:19] Magnificent Seven France and Navajo

[9:22] rocks this is a new event

[9:25] um their ice their ITA was approved by

[9:27] sakfa for the process

[9:36] okay gotcha yeah so this is so it's the

[9:40] same organizers as above rocks yeah

[9:46] number five is the skinny Tire Fest

[9:49] athletic um this is a fundraiser event

[9:51] there are fundraising goes to the

[9:54] American Lung Society the dates are

[9:56] March 11th through the 14th total daily

[9:59] attendance is 645.

[10:02] um

[10:02] the roads the cycling event using the

[10:05] Loop Road potash Road 313 to Denver's

[10:07] Point State Park in Arches National Park

[10:10] and then they also have 22 years of good

[10:14] standing history

[10:17] um real quick going back to the Moab run

[10:19] the Rocks where does the staging for

[10:22] that take place

[10:23] it's different days

[10:24] so the first day they're doing the

[10:26] Gemini Bridges mag 7 so they're staging

[10:28] at the Seven Mile parking lot the second

[10:31] day is the brand so the branch parking

[10:33] lot into the third day is chronic blood

[10:35] so The Chronic blood

[10:37] okay

[10:39] although I think they do also offer a

[10:41] shuttle if I remember correctly they do

[10:43] that for the bike event I don't know if

[10:44] they're going to do that for the running

[10:45] event or not

[10:50] um number six is the Canyonlands half

[10:52] marathon it's an athletic competent

[10:55] competitive running event I'm using

[10:58] Highway 128 dates are March 18th total

[11:02] daily attendance is 1700. I am this does

[11:05] require an advanced life support station

[11:08] due to it being over 1500 participants

[11:11] it has 47 years of good standing in

[11:15] history

[11:16] um the ITA was also approved before

[11:19] processing through sec

[11:24] number seven behind the Rocks Ultra is

[11:28] an athletic competitive event on March

[11:30] 25th total daily attendance is 450. I'm

[11:35] running an event using behind the Rocks

[11:37] minimal Trail usage in Grant County nine

[11:40] years of history and good standing and

[11:43] the ITA was also approved through sec

[11:46] for any process changes

[11:49] Moab rocks number eight

[11:52] is also an athletic competitive event

[11:54] for the dates of March 25th through 27th

[11:58] daily total attendance is 435

[12:02] mountain biking event using the whole

[12:04] enchilada Klondike gloves and

[12:06] Magnificent Seven Ten Years of history

[12:09] and good standing and the ITA was also

[12:11] approved through SEC before process

[12:13] changes

[12:17] I'm going to skip over number nine real

[12:19] quick and jump to number 10.

[12:22] because I'm in a group number nine in

[12:23] with other items

[12:26] um number 10 is Easter Jeep Safari it's

[12:29] a motorized event and Expo

[12:33] that takes place on trails and at osta

[12:36] the dates are March 31st through April

[12:39] 9th daily total attendance is 750.

[12:43] uh they have over 58 years of good

[12:46] standing history

[12:49] their BLM permit allows 50 vehicles per

[12:52] Trail but they keep it between 25 to 40.

[12:56] they like to say below the threshold and

[12:58] that depends on what trail they're going

[13:00] to be on

[13:01] um

[13:03] and

[13:05] so again so on the sheet that we have

[13:08] Jesus as far as number nine yeah

[13:13] I want to go back to normal but on my

[13:16] seat number nine is Jeep Safari she's

[13:17] looking at the um agenda summary

[13:27] so but but I guess my other comments is

[13:29] we reached the end of a quarter maybe we

[13:31] should

[13:32] I mean the the format we're trying to

[13:34] get into is we look at everything for

[13:35] according to make a decision so

[13:38] you want me to stop and then we'll touch

[13:40] bases yeah why don't we try to figure

[13:41] out this first quarter and then resume

[13:43] so we'll stop it you want to stop at mob

[13:45] rocks or do you want to include Jeep

[13:47] Safari Chief so far it seems like it's

[13:49] mostly in April so I would include that

[13:50] as a spring event

[13:52] [Music]

[13:58] lots of athletic events the first

[14:00] quarter left and running

[14:02] yeah so I guess my impression is you

[14:04] know there it is heavy on running events

[14:07] um

[14:08] it's it's not a really a packed calendar

[14:10] I think because of the time the time of

[14:12] year

[14:13] um I mean I do I do think we have quite

[14:15] a lot of relevant running events around

[14:17] here we should like automatically

[14:19] the great but these mostly seem to be

[14:22] stage and appropriate places I'm I'm not

[14:25] as familiar with some of the trails

[14:27] they're using

[14:29] um but I was wondering if something this

[14:32] is kind of a warm-up for the next

[14:33] quarter which is much bigger but you

[14:36] know we could look at what would happen

[14:37] if we approve the events that have been

[14:39] going on for say more than 12 years or

[14:41] something like that and then see how

[14:43] full the calendar looks and see whether

[14:45] we want to add anything additional

[14:47] beyond that

[14:49] um just as a way to get this decision

[14:51] more quickly

[14:56] yeah sure Kevin yeah

[14:58] so what you're proposing is uh

[15:01] check add in the ones that have been

[15:03] around for how long do you say 10 years

[15:05] over the spring it seemed like 12 was a

[15:08] good cut off

[15:09] um

[15:11] but

[15:13] you know I mean I I think you can just

[15:16] worked out and I think one of the

[15:17] criteria listed is like near the half

[15:19] marathon you know that's a very

[15:20] disruptive event but it's been going on

[15:22] for a long time right and I'm I'm guess

[15:24] I haven't heard anyone say that we

[15:26] shouldn't be you know giving them a

[15:27] permit anymore so that's like one of the

[15:29] easy yeses on here and so we should get

[15:32] those out of the way first and then see

[15:34] whether the calendar seems full or see

[15:37] whether we would do better to have even

[15:38] more events

[15:43] I don't see any event in the blue

[15:47] that first quarter that I would be

[15:50] uncomfortable with

[15:52] their

[15:54] pretty you know they've been around

[15:55] forever and

[15:58] we'll just just playing Devil's Advocate

[16:00] like the the concert series they're

[16:03] talking about pretty High attendance and

[16:04] they haven't and it's mostly actually in

[16:06] the spring rather than the winter

[16:09] and you know if those were the little

[16:11] coincide with other High attendance

[16:13] events that might not be so great so it

[16:15] seems a little since you know crowding

[16:17] on the calendars one of the things we're

[16:19] concerned about

[16:20] pre-approving an event that doesn't even

[16:22] have a state so yeah it seems a little

[16:24] bit strange on the other hand I do agree

[16:25] that you know this kind of musical event

[16:26] adds variety and otherwise would be a

[16:29] good thing and and I I'm wondering are

[16:31] they considering it all having like they

[16:34] do for the music festival having uh

[16:38] shadow

[16:42] this one actually brought

[16:45] Steven

[16:46] um and I know that you had mentioned

[16:47] putting conditions on the dates so that

[16:50] you can say you can do any of these

[16:52] dates but the state just being this date

[16:54] and I can take it to him and say like

[16:56] okay these are the rules yeah so just to

[16:58] be clear on the on the um on the

[17:00] concerts they're basically working with

[17:01] the artists that that might happen to be

[17:04] in the area so the dates could be

[17:06] extremely nebulous like yeah just

[17:08] depending on who's coming through and it

[17:10] could be a Tuesday or Wednesday night

[17:12] yeah and how far in advance would they

[17:14] have the information as to when the

[17:16] concert would actually be

[17:17] like a couple months usually I how long

[17:20] does it do I see anybody from the travel

[17:22] Council on here because that's how they

[17:24] work with our events that come to summer

[17:27] concerts at Swanee is they work with

[17:31] people that are coming through right

[17:33] then we can afford it they're not going

[17:35] to just come to us but they're they're

[17:38] always usually happy to drop in if

[17:40] they're on the road

[17:43] so come I I guess I was wondering did

[17:46] anybody work on that how long in advance

[17:49] do they usually know that would be

[17:51] August or who who organizes that

[17:55] yeah

[17:57] it's the travel Council

[17:59] the summer free concerts

[18:02] that's the city right yeah it's done in

[18:05] the city all this uh the travel Council

[18:07] just pays for it huh

[18:11] okay never mind I I at first we paid for

[18:14] it all

[18:15] so

[18:17] I mean to me it seems like the only ones

[18:19] you wouldn't want it to overlap with is

[18:21] the half marathon right or anything

[18:23] that's going to impact the river skinny

[18:26] Tire does not go out well they actually

[18:27] use the Loop Road they do one day on the

[18:30] loop road

[18:33] I mean they do go early I remember but

[18:36] do they do it don't they do it uh do

[18:37] they do a clockwise then and they hit

[18:39] their River Road first

[18:40] I honestly don't remember to me that's

[18:42] the smart way to do it I I did that one

[18:45] year and they did it counterclockwise

[18:46] but then I think that was an anomaly but

[18:48] I can't recall but they do you're right

[18:51] they do do it early so it seems like the

[18:53] only one would be the half marathon and

[18:54] now you wouldn't want anything

[18:56] [Music]

[18:57] so we're talking about the Constitution

[19:00] the concerts yeah so actually I mean it

[19:03] occurs to me those are mainly in the

[19:04] next quarter so maybe we should just

[19:06] lump them with the next quarter yeah

[19:07] sure

[19:14] considering some of the events in this

[19:16] quarter I think it is worth pointing out

[19:18] like candyland's half marathon and

[19:20] anything yeah but I think it might be an

[19:22] additional dates in the next quarter

[19:23] that yeah maybe they should

[19:25] so make that like a condition yeah I

[19:29] don't like a blackout date kind of a

[19:30] thing I don't know if we'd have to

[19:32] prevent it during the half marathon

[19:34] actually because they they're not the

[19:36] events aren't going to uh coincide with

[19:40] each other they're going to be a total

[19:41] different times and it might be a lovely

[19:44] thing for people who are visiting the

[19:46] town to buy a ticket and go to a concert

[19:50] but I thought one of our concerns was

[19:52] not to have a lot of High attendance

[19:53] events landing on the same weekend that

[19:56] seems like one of our main jobs

[19:57] yeah I know 750 is a high number and

[20:00] half marathon is an even higher numbers

[20:02] so although I wouldn't I would expect

[20:04] there'd be a lot of crossover I would

[20:05] just add the numbers up and call it yeah

[20:07] and I I think 750 is very very aspirated

[20:11] right I would be very interested to see

[20:13] what actually happened you know the the

[20:16] half marathon used to be a lottery that

[20:18] was cool it's closed off the 5 000 yeah

[20:20] that that event's gone way down so the

[20:23] reality is like

[20:25] I guess all of it's you know less than

[20:27] it used to be yeah it used to be captive

[20:30] yeah I remember it comes right by my

[20:31] house at the end it was yeah absolutely

[20:33] huge

[20:35] foreign

[20:36] but I think the shadow question is a

[20:38] great question because that impact is

[20:40] way smaller on the road if there's still

[20:43] shuttles well also do you know what time

[20:45] they're planning on staging the concerts

[20:46] like whether if it's a weekend with you

[20:47] in the afternoon which might coincide

[20:49] with some of the runners or what was it

[20:50] more like in the evening usually in the

[20:52] evening

[20:53] around seven or so when they normally do

[20:55] them maybe a little bit earlier

[21:02] and like Rachel was saying with the

[21:05] conditions for days

[21:07] I haven't worked at the logistics and

[21:10] the site plan but I don't see why you

[21:12] couldn't do a condition of

[21:15] I think that is great it looks like 6

[21:18] p.m or 7 P.M has been what they've been

[21:20] doing this summer

[21:22] also if 750 is purely aspirational

[21:25] perhaps we just have a condition that we

[21:26] cap it at 400 or something more

[21:28] reasonable

[21:33] sex yeah that would be easily managed

[21:41] often do you get 750 at your event I

[21:44] mean we got at most 500. do you really

[21:49] yeah I look like was almost 500. yeah

[21:52] so like with shuttles I mean it's

[21:54] actually pretty minimal in fact

[21:58] there and they decide to have a couple

[22:00] of drinks yeah yeah

[22:03] and

[22:05] the Shadows seem to work pretty well for

[22:07] the music festival it seems like they're

[22:10] pretty full I've used I've gone on them

[22:12] sometimes and other times we've decided

[22:14] we wanted to go out to

[22:17] you know Fisher Towers and hang out for

[22:19] a minute after the concert so well that

[22:22] seems like a really great way to

[22:23] minimize the impact on the locals living out

[22:28] and also good for the environment

[22:31] Al condition and then would the

[22:34] condition be a certain percentage of the

[22:35] attendees have to take a shuttle no

[22:38] just just that they offered shuttles

[22:41] yeah it's hard to enforce yeah

[22:47] um well Kevin had previously

[22:50] I said we should probably talk about

[22:52] this in the next thing okay

[22:56] um

[22:58] so so look at looking this

[23:00] a little bit closer I guess we there are

[23:02] also two running events that are wanting

[23:04] to do the same exactly the same date

[23:06] yeah the Moab rocks is a mountain biking

[23:11] and then

[23:13] say yeah okay where does the ultra stage

[23:16] the behind the Rocks Ultra in San Juan

[23:18] County I was to the stage back where the

[23:20] old you know 24-hour race course was

[23:22] back they've probably only used five

[23:24] miles of Trail they barely come into the

[23:26] county and it's only one of their

[23:27] distance race the long distance one does

[23:30] most of them stay in Tampa and remind me

[23:32] of the Moab rocks what uh areas that

[23:34] uses they use Klondike gloves they do

[23:38] magic and whole enchiladas do they just

[23:41] do LPS down or UPS yeah they have to go

[23:43] up they start a town and they go all the

[23:44] way up to the top of LPS they come back

[23:46] from town they write my example so those

[23:48] two events are pretty they're they're

[23:50] great they're very separate yeah they're

[23:52] all North

[23:53] but

[23:55] I don't know I feel pretty good about

[23:58] the events in the early part of the year

[24:00] that's generally not like the most crazy

[24:02] packed time of town where we're getting

[24:04] a lot of like sound noise complaints so

[24:08] and it looks like every single one of

[24:09] these events except for the uh run the

[24:11] Rocks is a more of a less a Legacy Event

[24:13] right

[24:14] which ones yeah they all have long as

[24:19] his one well the music ones are yeah

[24:21] there's two new events

[24:24] so do we do we need yet another

[24:27] early in the year running events

[24:28] inspired

[24:30] Ernie packed with those

[24:33] yes it is that's kind of the preseason

[24:35] weekend

[24:36] yeah I mean I think if there's nothing

[24:38] else competing

[24:41] what are ideas every every so ultimately

[24:44] every single weekend has a large event

[24:48] I think that

[24:50] a large event

[24:58] in a large event that is athletic

[25:03] you know and most of these aren't

[25:05] motorized

[25:07] fills or motel rooms with people that

[25:09] aren't going to be

[25:11] running loud machines

[25:13] yeah yeah

[25:23] okay well I I could feel comfortable

[25:26] with going through that book but with

[25:27] the understanding that as we you know

[25:30] refine our criteria for events you know

[25:32] just because an event has been run one

[25:34] to five years in the past doesn't mean

[25:36] that there's prison you know we might

[25:38] later decide that hey you know we need

[25:40] more music events and fewer running

[25:41] events and something

[25:42] I think as long as we're willing to

[25:45] not tell people that once once they get

[25:48] approved they're they're in you know

[25:50] they continue to improve unless they

[25:51] really mess up badly yeah

[26:00] all right so are we basically uh

[26:03] checking off events one through eight on

[26:06] our sheet then

[26:08] uh Jeep safaris now I think we're gonna

[26:10] adjust that for the next

[26:13] with the music event uh I guess it's

[26:15] still unresolved whether there would be

[26:17] blackout dates to avoid conflicts right

[26:19] so we can look at that in the next

[26:21] quarter and see what events it might

[26:24] conflict with I guess

[26:26] and one thing I would

[26:29] remind everybody I'm sure it wouldn't

[26:31] maybe it wouldn't be often but

[26:34] especially the first go through of this

[26:37] it is possible along with the conditions

[26:40] that you have a condition that instead

[26:42] of the special event advisory committee

[26:45] doing the final approval that the

[26:48] complete applications come back to all

[26:50] of you to approve or deny so if there's

[26:53] ones

[26:54] um that there are questions around I

[26:57] don't know that it would

[26:59] cause any damage to say you guys want

[27:02] final approval versus the committee

[27:04] something to think about

[27:08] yeah and looking at the redness events

[27:10] this year I mean one was the same day as

[27:13] the Street Fest and one is the same day

[27:15] as one of the days of the Folk Fest and

[27:17] so we already kind of have some examples

[27:19] of course whether those were conflict

[27:21] with the city you're saying Josie or

[27:23] whether it's you know just too many

[27:25] things happening at once my I mean my

[27:27] hunch for these is that that hasn't

[27:29] really been the case but just here

[27:45] are we all right yeah

[27:47] so should we move on to the second

[27:49] quarter

[27:51] so second quarter I'm going to start

[27:53] with this list

[27:55] night which is just sorry in on the

[27:57] agenda summary which is number 10 Jeep

[28:00] Safari I am I already went through this

[28:03] a little bit but I'll revisit it um

[28:05] dates are March 31st through April 9th

[28:08] I'm 750 total daily attendance motorized

[28:13] have been on trails and with an expo at

[28:17] osta and BLM permit allows up to 50

[28:21] vehicles per Trail they do stay below

[28:24] their threshold with 25 to 40 vehicles

[28:27] per Trail depending on what trail it is

[28:31] um we have 58 years of History a good

[28:33] standing and if

[28:36] that's what I have for them

[28:40] I can tell you more

[28:43] um my questions revolve sort of around

[28:46] these sub events and how they interact with that yeah

[28:51] and touch on those

[28:54] um as a group

[28:55] okay separately do you want me to go

[28:57] over to this now no I'll just wait with

[28:58] that I guess yeah I was really

[29:00] interested in the separate events too

[29:01] should we look at the events

[29:04] separate is it is it truly separate or

[29:06] should we look at it like not really

[29:08] kind of sort of the way the intent to

[29:10] apply is I'm in the requirements they

[29:14] are separate because they have srps

[29:17] um but it's not additional people at the

[29:20] event it's still the same number of

[29:22] people they're just doing something

[29:24] separate on their own SRP so and it's

[29:28] they're private they're all private

[29:29] right what's SRP

[29:32] a special Recreation permit issued by

[29:34] the special Recreation permit issued by

[29:36] the BLM okay so it's because they have

[29:39] different permits yeah so when you're

[29:40] looking at these numbers here these

[29:42] numbers are tucked into the 750 of the

[29:43] Jeeps

[29:45] so they're not additional they're still

[29:47] the 750.

[29:50] and if they're not new this is something

[29:52] that's been going on for the same amount

[29:55] of time period they're just being

[29:56] brought to light now because of the

[29:59] changes for sure but presumably they're

[30:02] not not all of them have been going on

[30:03] for 58 years but but you're saying oh

[30:06] things are things very similar to this

[30:08] typically every year have been going on

[30:10] with the Jeep support

[30:11] what are they

[30:13] um it depends on which one so I could

[30:16] touch on a couple of them real quick so

[30:18] like number nine which is the FCA that's

[30:21] GMC Chevrolet Jeep what they do is they

[30:24] take some of their vendors and customers

[30:26] out like let's just call them Elites

[30:29] they go out on trail runs they get demos

[30:32] maybe they get to do a sponsor Trail

[30:34] things along those lines all the groups

[30:36] are small I think the biggest one as far

[30:39] as attendance is at a hundred but they

[30:43] usually range between 30 to 40 people

[30:45] that they pick

[30:47] so is it like a lottery

[30:49] not really like a lottery

[30:53] so like these these proofs like um superwinch they come in with like two

[31:01] to three semis with staff and they have

[31:04] some of them have 20 to 30 staff that

[31:06] come in for the vendor show so they'll

[31:09] take it they say it's like Wednesday

[31:10] because they'll pick a trail and they

[31:12] take their whole staff out and they go

[31:13] out on a trail ride oh okay

[31:16] and that's just one example another

[31:18] maybe maybe they have new lockers that

[31:21] they're gonna demo or new tires or

[31:25] um something along those lines but

[31:26] they'll take their a group of customers

[31:29] out or their employees or their sponsors

[31:33] not on a trail

[31:35] so I'm comfortable lumping those all

[31:37] together with the Jeep Safari to me it

[31:39] just seems like a part of a normal Jeep

[31:41] Safari account yeah that answered my

[31:42] question pretty well too I I tend to

[31:44] agree with

[31:45] I mean do any of those events stand out

[31:48] from that and

[31:49] they're all kind of the same

[31:51] I would say they're all the same they're

[31:53] all businesses all doing the same thing

[31:56] there's not

[31:58] anything that would

[32:00] not be business related

[32:02] but for the special events back end does

[32:04] it make sense for them to file separate

[32:07] applications not that we would need to

[32:09] approve them but just like for life

[32:11] for insurance purposes because I know

[32:14] the Red Rock four-wheelers they're not

[32:16] going to be under the Red Rock

[32:17] four-wheelers Insurance they're going to

[32:18] be under their own business

[32:20] Insurance when it's also adding kind of

[32:22] Trail time to the county in general if

[32:24] they each have their own trail rides

[32:27] also going on I think it's helpful

[32:30] information to kind of understand the

[32:32] cumulative impact yeah and they follow

[32:35] the Jeep safaris uh Roots their course

[32:38] mapped they they have a pretty

[32:40] organized trail map and they follow that

[32:43] so they know what trails are available

[32:45] at Walmart

[32:47] uh-huh all right just to weigh in on

[32:49] that guys I think it's really important

[32:51] to permit these separately the applicant

[32:54] is different the trail rides are

[32:57] different these are commercial uses

[33:00] um BLM does Define commercial use as

[33:03] compensation exchanged including in a

[33:06] workplace environment so an employee

[33:08] gets a trail ride as a benefit that's

[33:10] compensation paid

[33:13] um

[33:14] the BLM is permitting these separately

[33:16] so I do think in terms of our saturation

[33:18] analysis and all that

[33:21] um you know we should be thinking of

[33:23] them as part of Jeep Safari but also

[33:25] different so

[33:27] and you can also talk to you but these

[33:29] types of

[33:31] um separate but related events are

[33:33] becoming more popular so I do expect

[33:35] that we're going to see a lot more of

[33:37] this associated with our bigger

[33:39] motorized events

[33:42] like an event within an event kind of

[33:44] yeah

[33:49] I don't think that there's like no extra

[33:52] impact because there are maybe some of

[33:54] the same participants because like I

[33:55] said it's Jeep Safari is a certain

[33:57] number of Trail

[33:58] breads that are permitted

[34:00] but then this is on top of that and so

[34:03] that's more

[34:04] vehicles in the desert and trails that

[34:07] are conflicting with other users at the

[34:09] same time

[34:10] I'm not sure how to like pick them apart

[34:12] or if I'm prepared to do that right now

[34:14] but I just think it's something like

[34:15] yeah we should evaluate these separately

[34:19] and

[34:22] yeah there is an extra impact because

[34:24] there are more events

[34:26] and I think as far as evaluating them

[34:29] separately just as far as insurance and

[34:32] liability purposes but as far as

[34:36] an actual event it's still the same

[34:39] event so you could kind of look at it

[34:40] both ways but they definitely I think

[34:42] need to be applied separately for the

[34:45] same reasons Christina just said but as

[34:47] far as looking at them it's still the

[34:49] same event it's not like you're gonna

[34:52] see anything different

[34:54] happening you're not going to see a

[34:56] different type of party happening over

[34:57] here during Tuesday

[35:00] that's not anything I think anybody

[35:01] would notice

[35:02] could I'm just putting this out there

[35:05] could it be processed in a way where

[35:08] they do have to provide all those things

[35:11] they have to get approval but the main

[35:14] event sponsor also has to sign off on

[35:17] something saying yes we've we confirmed

[35:21] these are part of our events

[35:24] participate that we don't take on legal

[35:27] responsibility taxes any of that for

[35:30] them but we are also recognizing that

[35:33] they are a component of our environment

[35:35] yeah because I think also easy to do for

[35:37] the purposes of like continued

[35:38] evaluation and actually sort of grading

[35:41] events after they happen I mean it would

[35:43] be good to

[35:44] have Jeep Safari kind of own these sub

[35:47] events as far as reflecting on their

[35:48] overall application just to kind of make

[35:51] sure everybody's

[35:52] holding to a similar standard

[35:57] so what that looks like

[36:00] um having them proceed with the permit

[36:03] and having that

[36:04] go through approval or denial but also

[36:08] coming up with some kind of condition

[36:09] for the Jeep Safari event

[36:14] um to say to sign off or to provide

[36:16] something or would well they're they're

[36:20] different legal entities so I think you

[36:22] know a Jeep Safari organization is going

[36:24] to be reluctant to sign on to something

[36:26] with too much red tape I do think it's

[36:28] important that jeep Safari is confirming

[36:30] for us that these are their vendors and

[36:33] these are events that um you know their

[36:36] participants are including in but I

[36:37] think they can do that by email and they

[36:39] can just object if anything isn't

[36:41] associated with cheap Safari in an

[36:43] informal way without building a lot of

[36:45] red tape around it

[36:47] just like validating like if I was to

[36:49] send an email saying these five

[36:53] companies are applying for

[36:55] um

[36:56] applications saying that they are coming

[36:59] for the Easter Jeep Safari can you

[37:01] please validate

[37:03] yeah and likewise could we also have

[37:06] those say five

[37:09] sub-event companies signs saying we are

[37:13] while we don't you know we aren't under

[37:15] Easter Jeep Safari we are a piece of

[37:19] that so that if they come in and they

[37:21] end up doing something completely

[37:22] different

[37:26] but it could be for a review of what you

[37:29] said you were part of this we would have

[37:31] uh potentially evaluated it a little

[37:34] differently because you would have been

[37:36] completely separate

[37:40] well if we're permitting them I don't

[37:43] think we need I mean we can evaluate

[37:45] that we that can be part of our post

[37:46] event evaluation period right I mean I

[37:48] would assume the narrative that they're

[37:49] submitting is going to tie them to Jeep

[37:51] Safari we're going to go through the

[37:53] permit process with them and then if

[37:55] there's

[37:56] um you know some violation there of any

[37:58] sort we would deal with it in our

[38:01] hopefully much more expanded post-event

[38:04] evaluation process

[38:10] what do you think Mallory does that do

[38:12] you have concerns that aren't being

[38:13] addressed by that no I just am probably

[38:16] overthinking it and I'm wondering if in

[38:19] the application we could just build in

[38:22] an easy question on both ends of do you

[38:25] have any do you anticipate any sub event

[38:29] companies being tied to this it doesn't

[38:33] you know commit them to anything it's

[38:35] just that heads up

[38:37] um validation and likewise other people

[38:40] the question could be or are you

[38:43] like a sub event to a larger one if so

[38:47] what about

[38:48] just for capturing that information is

[38:51] in a post-evaluation it might be hard if

[38:54] we don't know officially that yes these

[38:57] were tied together under this event

[39:00] am I overthinking that

[39:04] we haven't really gotten to see how the

[39:06] narratives are going to work I guess and

[39:08] so it's possible that the narratives

[39:09] would capture it it's possible that they

[39:11] won't

[39:12] but I got I got I love extra questions

[39:15] so I got no problem asking questions in

[39:17] an application

[39:19] ask um you know in the application for

[39:22] the event narrative end of a side note

[39:25] of

[39:26] you know these are all of the things you

[39:29] should include yeah and failure to do so

[39:32] could

[39:33] result in denial

[39:36] I think people would want to it's just

[39:39] making sure it's clear this is where you

[39:42] provide that information

[39:43] I don't I don't think it's going to be

[39:45] that big of a deal just having

[39:48] the Red Rock four-wheelers validating

[39:50] these vendors I could tell you right now

[39:52] like all of these vendors are at the

[39:54] vendor show

[39:55] I think I know they are

[39:58] and maybe the conversation where I'm

[40:00] coming from is just looking at it as not

[40:02] specific

[40:05] from any other event yeah

[40:07] didn't we in general if we've got an

[40:09] event that has these kind of sub events

[40:11] we just it's up to the main event

[40:14] applicant to say hey when you approve us

[40:16] we will hope you'll also improve and

[40:17] they list all the sub events and other

[40:20] and if they don't do that then we just

[40:22] treat them as separate events we might

[40:23] approve someone not others because we

[40:25] weren't informed that they were all

[40:26] related you know it seems like that's a

[40:29] general policy that too all

[40:31] too often that the event holder would

[40:33] know if there's a sub of it happening

[40:35] yeah it's almost like an endorsement but if they don't know or if they don't

[40:39] care I mean maybe somebody doesn't like

[40:42] these you know

[40:43] you break events that attached like

[40:45] lampreys

[40:46] um

[40:47] so

[40:49] but but I just I mean what I was

[40:52] assuming initially is that you know

[40:54] these were sort of considered an

[40:55] integral part of the Jeep Safari it

[40:57] would be kind of awkward if we approved

[40:59] the chief Safari but not some of these

[41:01] sub events and so I was inclined to

[41:04] do it all as a package but but if

[41:05] instead it's true that the SE if I would

[41:08] just assumed that they you know these

[41:09] things not be there the tape don't think

[41:11] it adds anything to an event then they I

[41:12] think we should treat them as separate

[41:13] events

[41:15] um

[41:19] so this brings up um

[41:21] a perfect example with

[41:23] Bob

[41:25] is

[41:28] over their time period and

[41:31] they may be in the situation where they

[41:34] could possibly be having some events but

[41:36] this be something that you would want to

[41:38] know in the intent to apply or could it

[41:40] happen in the application process

[41:43] all right

[41:46] I just have a question so I'm

[41:51] so the Jeep Safari is is the perimeter

[41:55] person that permits

[41:58] and

[41:59] so part of the permit is this is listed

[42:02] these are listed on the permit that

[42:05] these other the wheels Wheel Pros the

[42:08] aeb those are all listed in the event or

[42:12] the application senders correct yeah so

[42:16] I'm

[42:17] I thought not just to BLM but to us as

[42:19] well the

[42:21] my impression is know that the reason

[42:23] that they're separate on our list is

[42:24] because they're separate so far as the

[42:25] BLM is concerned each of them has their

[42:27] own independent as a special Recreation

[42:30] permit yeah but uh are are they under

[42:34] Safari as a vendor but not as a event

[42:37] organizer okay so they're they're under

[42:42] Jeep Safari for their vendoring part but

[42:45] separate from their vendoring part

[42:47] they're taking their okay I got it now

[42:49] so in the intent to apply and to

[42:52] workflow it will have something do you

[42:54] have any vendors and if it's yes then it

[42:57] will go to okay what are those vendors

[43:00] you know you might not have all of the

[43:02] details in terms of their tax ID numbers

[43:05] yada yada so we could just say do you

[43:09] have any vendors if things like

[43:11] or even do you have any vendors or sub

[43:13] events like click yes then it's just

[43:16] saying okay which ones yeah

[43:18] it kind of captures that without tying

[43:21] anybody to anything it's just another

[43:24] you know area we could capture that

[43:26] information so we know if they're tied

[43:28] together yeah and I I think that it's

[43:31] good information to have and sure we

[43:34] should help get on the application but I

[43:36] also think that given that they're just

[43:39] they're in town they're vendors they're

[43:41] trying to then

[43:42] use their position and their influence

[43:45] or whatever to make their own events we

[43:47] should definitely evaluate them as their

[43:49] own effects do we have pretty um like

[43:52] explicit

[43:53] uh confirmation that their rides are

[43:55] sort of more friends and family kind of

[43:57] rides rather than

[43:59] English about they say

[44:02] um what they're doing that it's a

[44:05] it's for their Quan says creation and

[44:07] customer tours one says I'm just for

[44:12] employees

[44:14] um secret traveler they say employees so

[44:17] they listed out what they're doing

[44:18] yeah because I mean I think it's worth

[44:22] extra scrutiny here especially because

[44:24] this is a very large motorized event but

[44:25] something that came up in the last

[44:26] special events meeting was kind of uh an

[44:29] analogous situation with something like

[44:30] outer bike where there might be

[44:33] um like trail rides with employees of a

[44:35] specific vendor and you know whether we

[44:37] treat that the same way is that the same

[44:39] thing you know what's our

[44:41] kind of broader philosophy here

[44:47] well I think Sarah you said evaluate and

[44:51] that made me think of I've got a huge

[44:53] part of this the post about evaluation

[44:55] so yeah if we have this way to evaluate

[44:59] from our referral agencies you know

[45:03] various people involved that's important

[45:05] but if we knew that there were some

[45:07] events we could have the main event

[45:10] you know have some questions in theirs

[45:13] about if they have any negative issues

[45:15] with any of their some events so given

[45:19] that we have limited time I'm just

[45:20] wondering if we should move on from this

[45:22] topic yeah

[45:29] in these sub events

[45:31] this isn't even all of them

[45:35] like all of the vendors like we don't

[45:37] know what all the other vendors are

[45:38] doing so these are only the ones with

[45:39] srps and so our vendors two weeks since

[45:43] I sent out the email to 500 people these

[45:46] are the ones that are

[45:48] reciprocating and applying

[45:50] and so Jeep Safari has kind of a limited

[45:53] number of trail rides that they are

[45:55] allowed like a kind of quota and then

[45:58] these are an addition

[45:59] to that or these will be the same Trails

[46:02] right but additional uh reps on those

[46:05] yeah so like say

[46:08] let's just use fins and things as an

[46:10] example so suspense and thinks the trial

[46:13] leaves at eight o'clock in the morning

[46:15] they they leave then maybe super winch

[46:20] wants to start it and run it at 1

[46:22] o'clock

[46:23] so they'll run it up one right so I I do

[46:26] agree with Kevin that we should probably

[46:27] move on to get to the rest of the list

[46:29] but I do think this is we have to kind

[46:31] of put a pin in this because it is

[46:33] this kind of added impact to that if we

[46:35] just kind of go oh it's just part of

[46:36] this then we're not really cataloging

[46:39] that property and this could come back

[46:41] to like a condition to something that

[46:43] you see again so this was just an intent

[46:45] to apply that we're being I'm presented

[46:48] with right now but when it comes to the

[46:50] application process then we would get

[46:52] into okay what's your course map what

[46:54] are you doing what day what are you

[46:56] doing on what types right and that's

[46:58] what we would get more of those detailed

[47:01] information and maybe it also sounds

[47:02] like the kind of thing that the BLM

[47:04] presumably is thinking about so I don't

[47:06] know that it makes sense for us to

[47:08] think about who's scheduled and which

[47:10] drills when

[47:11] right independently of what the vln is

[47:14] doing so would we want to but we

[47:15] condition a cap that's part of the

[47:17] application process

[47:19] as far as what courses they're on not what types right

[47:27] yeah and especially knowing that we

[47:28] don't have the full list of vendors

[47:29] doing these activities I mean it would

[47:32] be good to have kind of a cap or a

[47:34] general sense of

[47:35] limitation

[47:38] yeah I guess like looking at big picture

[47:40] and like okay if Jeep Safari we Clump in

[47:43] all of these events and sub-events

[47:46] that's better than spreading out

[47:48] motorized events on every single weekend

[47:50] on all of those trails

[47:52] so I don't know

[47:54] I mean I

[47:55] need to move on yeah

[47:57] keep going yeah let's get uh what's the

[48:00] next one was number 15.

[48:11] it's not on the agenda oh because it was

[48:14] considered a low impact event

[48:17] okay so that one needs to be crossed off

[48:20] so we don't we're not worried about

[48:21] number 15. on this list you'll be

[48:24] jumping to number 16. looks pretty

[48:27] interesting yeah yeah so

[48:35] um

[48:39] Green River dirt bike rally it's a

[48:42] motorized and Expo event the dates are

[48:45] April 13th through 15th the total daily

[48:48] attendance is

[48:50] 430. I'm this event is primarily

[48:55] centralized in Green River the reason

[48:58] why they're applying for a Grand County

[49:00] permit is because

[49:02] 15 people so 15 motorcycles and we'll be

[49:07] doing a trail in Grand County in the

[49:10] whitewash

[49:11] um sand dunes area this this that trail

[49:15] is more of what you would consider like

[49:18] expert level it's a harder course so

[49:20] that's why only 15 of those motorcycles

[49:23] will be going onto that trail minimal

[49:26] attendance I'm Motors Motors will be

[49:29] trailered and I'm tracked to the

[49:32] trailhead and as far as history there's

[49:35] been no SAR extractions or anything

[49:39] um that promotes concern history wise as

[49:43] far as this so that attendance number

[49:45] that doesn't reflect the number of

[49:46] people in Grand County because it's it's

[49:49] well yeah it's centralized a Green River

[49:52] that Excel all of that will be happening

[49:54] in Green River the only thing that's

[49:55] entering Grand county is the one-day

[49:58] trail that will be happening with the

[50:00] 15th right and did I see that the

[50:02] promoter was actually the city of Green

[50:04] River yeah

[50:06] and I feel like it's not our place our

[50:07] place to deny their regular event for 50

[50:10] for physicals

[50:13] so not Five Guys with those 15 people so

[50:15] each guide has three people

[50:19] what was the name

[50:22] uh it's the way at the white Washington

[50:23] open OHV area right

[50:26] yeah

[50:30] okay yeah and did

[50:32] um did Green County search and rescues

[50:34] sign off on this or they just gave

[50:37] details from past events Aaron and he

[50:39] sent me a heat map and I asked them I

[50:41] said are there any specific events that

[50:43] you're concerned about and the only one

[50:45] he mentioned was the base jumping event

[50:47] that happened okay

[50:48] um but he told me that the answer to

[50:50] that question was super complicated but

[50:52] I just looked at the mat this morning

[50:54] and most of the stuff that happens

[50:56] involved Chiefs and ATVs honestly gosh

[50:59] right but very specific yeah

[51:03] when I think that uh yeah that follow-up

[51:06] again like continuing to you know if if

[51:08] this event happens assessing what

[51:11] happened on the um kind of safety and

[51:14] um

[51:16] extractions like the reason they don't

[51:18] call search and rescue as much is

[51:20] because they have the capacity to take

[51:22] care of the situation with rise which is

[51:24] probably true of this event again all of

[51:26] the guides are not wolf or certified but

[51:29] they all have CPR first aid life support

[51:32] and that's something

[51:34] going through the process if the intent

[51:36] to apply is approved

[51:38] it would then be approved by the final

[51:41] application would be approved by this

[51:43] special event advisory committee who

[51:46] would need

[51:47] search and rescue to sign off and

[51:50] provide any conditions

[51:54] any other questions on the dirt bike

[51:56] rally

[51:57] no

[51:58] okay so number 16 which is 17 so now

[52:03] we're our number they're getting we're

[52:04] one off on this sheet I'm 16 on the

[52:08] agenda is amnesty Trail raise athletic

[52:10] competitions April 15 total daily

[52:13] attendance is 310. it's a running event

[52:17] using amnesty back area 13 years of

[52:20] History good standing and the ITA was

[52:23] approved by uh

[52:27] is that a local uh promoter

[52:30] it is okay

[52:37] I'm assuming the staging happens out

[52:39] there

[52:44] I mean what I've heard from like

[52:47] different members of the community

[52:48] especially about that specific spot

[52:51] like a mossback parking lot it's just

[52:54] that it's

[52:55] madness out there especially on these

[52:58] big weekends in April when also there's

[53:00] a ton of tourists and

[53:03] so I don't know if there's a different

[53:04] place where they could stage

[53:06] something like that

[53:09] um

[53:16] yeah okay yeah

[53:23] right but now so you'd run up to the

[53:26] lower Trail along the creek now

[53:28] okay so this is perhaps the different

[53:30] race I was hearing about

[53:35] I've also participated in this one but a

[53:38] few it's been a few years but I I mean I

[53:40] share your concern about

[53:42] you know this kind of craziness and I do

[53:44] think we already have lots of running

[53:45] events and I think we should be a little

[53:47] more selective or just think about

[53:49] posting conditions I don't know if this

[53:51] is the one that's I I yeah I would say I

[53:54] mean it's it's on April 15th which is a

[53:56] Saturday and it's literally about the

[53:57] busiest time of the year for for bike

[53:59] rentals and such I'm also backs one of

[54:01] the very busiest trailheads in the areas

[54:03] that that is going to be a bit of a

[54:05] cluster

[54:14] and be out of there right yes

[54:18] but

[54:20] that that place is just Madness all the

[54:22] time yeah

[54:23] other than like January yeah but also

[54:27] offer the suggestion of using the

[54:29] shuttle yeah that's what I was thinking

[54:31] this is the stage at the middle school

[54:32] or the elementary school or something

[54:34] yeah it is yeah

[54:39] foreign

[54:48] packet pickup was actually out of the

[54:51] trailhead last fall and so there was it

[54:54] was literally like two days of just

[54:56] massive interference instead of just one

[54:58] so if a pack of pickup could be a town

[55:00] that would make a huge difference too

[55:01] and last year did they say it was

[55:03] because of covet and they had to do I

[55:06] remember but that was uh that was uh so

[55:08] the 15th was a is a Wednesday

[55:11] it's a Saturday yeah

[55:13] I'm looking at April am I on the wrong

[55:16] month so oh maybe you know I'm on the

[55:18] wrong mode so that's the other 15 . yes

[55:20] Saturday I'm sorry yeah

[55:24] and that's that's the weekend traffic

[55:26] gets

[55:27] blows up yeah it's really big

[55:31] but anyway yeah I like suggesting that

[55:34] the shuttle and at least making sure

[55:35] that

[55:36] pickup and staging is

[55:41] um yeah I mean yeah when you look back

[55:43] at this race I can't remember how it's

[55:45] been around for a long time and yeah it

[55:47] was back in the day when there weren't

[55:49] many people out there

[55:52] so

[55:54] yeah I think to make sure those are yeah

[55:59] those are good good questions for this

[56:00] one I think

[56:03] everyone okay number 17 on the agenda is

[56:07] Cruz Moab Rising Sun it's a motorized

[56:11] um expo at osta with campy the dates are

[56:15] April 17th through the 22nd total daily

[56:18] attendance is 555. they have 25 years of

[56:22] history and good standing

[56:25] um

[56:26] they limit their registration to 250

[56:29] vehicles that also includes their

[56:31] vendors they require their vendors to

[56:33] register and then they only allow 20

[56:36] rigs per trials

[56:38] and that's a date

[56:42] so it's off-road vehicles I I honestly

[56:45] can't recall Cruz Moab it's Toyota oh

[56:48] it's Toyota okay interesting gotcha

[56:54] so it's similar to it's like a mini Jeep

[56:56] Safari but using Toyotas instead of

[56:57] jeepers okay gotcha and they uh limit

[57:00] the number of people on the trail yeah

[57:02] and the number of vehicles

[57:08] yeah they're at their Max of what they

[57:10] want to be and I just spoke to him this

[57:12] morning he's

[57:13] they're as big as they want to get

[57:21] okay so moving on number 18 is Grand

[57:24] Circle Trail Fizz Fest this is a new

[57:26] event

[57:28] um it's an athletic running event with

[57:30] Expos at OSA and camping the dates will

[57:33] be April 26th through the 30th total

[57:36] daily attendance will be 700. I'm

[57:39] running an event using Pritchett at

[57:41] Hunter Canyon King Springs

[57:44] um BS Boy Scouts base camp Gemini

[57:47] Bridges and porcupine Ram trails

[57:51] so this is kind of like Jeep Safari for

[57:53] runners right right they've been really

[57:55] excited about this event they tried

[57:57] doing it over the past couple years but

[57:59] with coven it kept pushing things out

[58:02] um so but it's like all-inclusive they

[58:03] kind of the campus yeah they do like

[58:05] food trucks or something out there yep

[58:07] food camping the Excel will be there

[58:10] they'll be leaving from do they have

[58:12] shuttles themselves to the trailheads

[58:13] too so that you can park and leave your

[58:15] car and then just take a shuttle to the

[58:16] Run

[58:18] Frozen really miserable trail run hard

[58:22] ones anyway

[58:25] um where are they from

[58:28] I'm

[58:30] uh it's throwing me up I want to say he

[58:32] is out of Colorado

[58:34] if I remember right right

[58:37] I think they come out of Colorado

[58:42] of all the running events so far this is

[58:45] the one I'm like well it hasn't happened

[58:46] yet and

[58:48] the applications says Washington Utah

[58:51] right

[58:53] ah

[58:54] Craig's done it was like I think when I

[58:58] first met them it was right before covet

[59:00] hit so it's been a couple years since

[59:02] I've seen him in person we've been

[59:04] trying to get this one off the ground

[59:06] for a while

[59:07] right it's a bit of a different Paradigm

[59:09] than the other events

[59:15] for better words okay we're halfway done

[59:17] through our time try to get through the

[59:19] list so number 19 building me on

[59:22] um Festival dates are April 26th through

[59:24] the 30th total daily attendance 500

[59:26] private property with additional use

[59:29] permit music and sustainability Festival

[59:32] 12 years of history with good standing

[59:34] they're over near Green River yeah right

[59:36] now it's like just barely on the ground

[59:37] yeah

[59:39] have you uh is anyone I'm sure you've

[59:43] been in the first year yeah it's been a

[59:44] while but I wouldn't expect that um

[59:46] there would be a lot of spill over in a

[59:47] Moab or is that no I think a lot of

[59:49] people from Moab just go up there but I

[59:51] don't think anybody I want to know

[59:52] what's happening no never mind it's

[59:55] actually I mean there's like a lot of

[59:56] permaculture projects oh okay I mean

[59:59] there is like also all night music and

[1:00:00] things yeah it's a pretty but it's out

[1:00:03] in the desert today it's the northeast

[1:00:04] of Green River right I'd say it's mostly

[1:00:06] good

[1:00:07] now that Evans attended this event

[1:00:10] Building Man Evans

[1:00:21] okay so now we're going

[1:00:23] May attempts I we have number 20 this

[1:00:27] biker belly this is actually two events

[1:00:29] in back to back weekends the first date

[1:00:32] is uh May 4th through May 6 and then May

[1:00:37] 11th through the 13th total daily

[1:00:40] attendance is 98 per weekend and this is

[1:00:43] a gravel mountain bike event using

[1:00:45] Kokopelli trail from Fruita to Moab

[1:00:48] fully supported event with food staff

[1:00:51] medical

[1:00:52] um over 20 years of good history study

[1:00:56] and I I there's a disclosure I've

[1:00:58] provided shuttles to this event in the

[1:00:59] past from from my business and uh it's

[1:01:02] um they've been great to work with and

[1:01:04] they're mostly in the back country they

[1:01:06] only come into mob on the very last day

[1:01:07] and then we actually shuttle them right

[1:01:09] out so

[1:01:11] anyway it says they have zero years

[1:01:14] it's the first time they've applied for

[1:01:15] a permit okay

[1:01:18] and this is also an event that starts in

[1:01:21] Colorado and then it comes into

[1:01:24] right yeah

[1:01:27] oh that's a long bike

[1:01:29] um

[1:01:30] number 21 is Bronco Safari this is a

[1:01:34] motorized expo at osta and on the trails

[1:01:37] dates are May 2nd through May 6th total

[1:01:41] daily attendance is 335 people with 175

[1:01:45] of those people being registered

[1:01:47] vehicles

[1:01:49] um 12 years of good standing history

[1:01:52] this event is mostly more like

[1:01:58] I don't want to call them antique but

[1:02:01] um vehicles that are the Vintage Broncos

[1:02:04] like the Vintage yeah that's right yeah

[1:02:07] um they are becoming more popular with

[1:02:08] the release of the new Broncos that are

[1:02:10] joining the clubs that are clubs growing

[1:02:13] um and they're seeing that but

[1:02:15] um

[1:02:16] I'm still more of a expensive

[1:02:20] yeah right

[1:02:22] so you said there's 335 people but how

[1:02:25] many vehicles

[1:02:30] and how many are do they allow on a

[1:02:33] trail

[1:02:35] you know I didn't get break down all

[1:02:37] those specifics but BLM caps there's at

[1:02:41] 50. so there's there's never going to be

[1:02:43] any more than 50 and I that's

[1:02:46] I could confirm this and get back to you

[1:02:48] I think that's just a cheap Safari

[1:02:50] number I think BLM likes to keep it

[1:02:52] closer to 35

[1:02:53] . and this is this is just a one day

[1:02:54] event

[1:02:55] no she said too no it's the second

[1:02:57] through the sixth yeah it's on our paper

[1:02:59] it's just it's that Friday which is the

[1:03:04] fifth that's when they'll have their

[1:03:06] Expo they call it a show and shine at

[1:03:08] osta I'll be at the Pavilion Pavilion so

[1:03:10] they don't do right on Friday

[1:03:13] I'm sorry I said that again they don't

[1:03:14] do they Don't Ride do Trails on Fridays

[1:03:17] or Saturday trails and then they meet at

[1:03:19] osta for a dinner and what they call a

[1:03:22] show and shine they just kind of show

[1:03:24] their their cars off

[1:03:26] a little small Expo there's a couple

[1:03:29] vendors there not many

[1:03:34] [Music]

[1:03:36] um number 22 is the grand Bondo in Moab

[1:03:40] um athletic competition May 6 total

[1:03:44] daily attendance of 625. it's a road

[1:03:46] bike event using the Loop Road nine

[1:03:49] years of History good standings

[1:03:57] number 23 is Raptors on the Rocks this

[1:04:01] is a motorized event with an expo at

[1:04:03] osta with light camping

[1:04:06] um dates are May 11th through the 14th

[1:04:08] total daily attendance is 125.

[1:04:12] um history is usually about 40

[1:04:14] registered trucks and they're in good

[1:04:17] standing good history

[1:04:21] number 24 is the Colorado to Utah

[1:04:25] athletic competition

[1:04:27] um gravel bike event using the cliff

[1:04:29] area roads May 13th total daily

[1:04:32] attendance is 560. they're going to

[1:04:34] start in fruta and ride the Book Cliffs

[1:04:37] and back only some of the writers are

[1:04:40] doing that not the full 560.

[1:04:43] so most of it's in Colorado yeah most of

[1:04:45] us in Colorado this event does require

[1:04:49] um Grant County Sheriff Office for

[1:04:51] security due to the oil fields

[1:04:55] number 25 is Jeep Jamboree it's a

[1:04:58] motorized event dates are May 18th

[1:05:01] through the 20th total daily attendance

[1:05:04] is 250 and they do have additional dates

[1:05:07] they have one other event in October

[1:05:10] um they have 25 years of history for

[1:05:13] their fall events and they're in good

[1:05:14] standing history

[1:05:17] so they only have they have this is

[1:05:19] their first spring event this will

[1:05:21] actually be their seconds

[1:05:25] how many vehicles did you say

[1:05:27] 250. that's vehicles or people that's

[1:05:30] going to be vehicles

[1:05:33] okay so this one

[1:05:34] most of these numbers on in the column

[1:05:37] are people but this one's vehicles

[1:05:42] I feel like I'm contradicting myself a

[1:05:44] little bit with that

[1:05:46] um

[1:05:49] yeah because if I split this one in half

[1:05:51] I would have to look at their October

[1:05:53] one to give you an honest answer on that

[1:05:55] one because I know in their October one

[1:05:57] is bigger and that one's closer to 300

[1:05:59] vehicles but he didn't expect his spring

[1:06:01] one to be as big okay yeah and I think

[1:06:04] moving forward for the ITA process we

[1:06:06] definitely need a separate vehicle count

[1:06:07] yeah and on his ITA for under his total

[1:06:11] attention

[1:06:14] um I could get that I know I could make

[1:06:16] a quick phone call on how that wrapped

[1:06:17] up for you before

[1:06:19] so for all the other motorized events

[1:06:21] we're talking people and not yes

[1:06:24] Angie I have a question about that oil

[1:06:27] field security which event was that who

[1:06:30] determined

[1:06:31] that was the Colorado to Utah

[1:06:34] who determines oil fields needs security

[1:06:37] no that came from

[1:06:39] sheriffs they requested

[1:06:41] past one

[1:06:43] um during the SEC review

[1:06:46] huh okay interesting I'll talk with them

[1:06:48] about it thanks ah

[1:06:51] so so I looked at the application on

[1:06:53] their application dead used to say

[1:06:55] between 200 and 225 or 50 people yeah

[1:06:58] that was the total and I know he was

[1:07:01] um

[1:07:01] planning for the spring

[1:07:04] so that's probably accurate but I can't

[1:07:05] get that confirmed I know I could get a

[1:07:07] hold of them

[1:07:11] um number 26 the Willies rally it's

[1:07:14] motorized exhibit

[1:07:16] um May 19th the 21st total daily

[1:07:18] attendance is a hundred and mostly

[1:07:21] exhibits with a few short Trail runs

[1:07:23] stage and exhibit at Red Cliffs Lodge

[1:07:26] and these all the Vintage Willy's Jeeps

[1:07:28] that like the World War II era Jeeps

[1:07:30] right right yeah people are not driving

[1:07:34] alone yeah cool

[1:07:38] um

[1:07:38] Don Moab is a motorized event with a

[1:07:42] dinner um they're probably running the

[1:07:45] Pavilion with like camping May 21st to

[1:07:48] the 26th total daily attendance is 145

[1:07:51] people 70 Vehicles they have 22 years of

[1:07:55] History

[1:07:57] is there anything that sets them apart

[1:07:58] are they what what do they do just Trail

[1:08:00] runs also or their Nissan oh okay gotcha

[1:08:05] right right so it's all it's all kind of

[1:08:06] branded and then now we are going into June

[1:08:13] attempt to applies number 28 is the

[1:08:15] candyland's PRCA Rodeo

[1:08:18] the barrels for books always determined

[1:08:21] to be a low impact of that yeah okay

[1:08:22] that was pulled off

[1:08:30] so number 20 on the agenda is

[1:08:33] Canyonlands PRCA Rodeo it's at athletic

[1:08:36] livestock competition event at osta the

[1:08:39] dates are June 2nd through June 4th

[1:08:42] total daily attendance is in the ten

[1:08:46] thousand fifty plus range

[1:08:49] um one thousand or ten one thousand

[1:08:51] sorry

[1:08:58] had a moment

[1:09:01] that would be an impressive Rodeo

[1:09:05] um there is a county resolution in place

[1:09:08] um 73 years of History American standing

[1:09:15] um number 29 is the Moab Music Festival

[1:09:18] high water this is a 10-day total event

[1:09:23] and Josie I'm hoping that you could help

[1:09:26] with this I went back and forth on it on

[1:09:28] how to present it I am I have on the

[1:09:30] application June 9th through 12th which

[1:09:33] is the four days of music but it's

[1:09:35] actually a 10 day event

[1:09:39] um in their 60s

[1:09:41] the other 60s are proposed part of a

[1:09:44] guided river trip yeah and I think

[1:09:48] um and this might be something for the

[1:09:50] special events coordinator and

[1:09:52] Department in general is like how we

[1:09:54] treat something like a river trip

[1:09:55] because that's got its kind of own

[1:09:58] um

[1:09:59] you know Universe going on so I don't

[1:10:01] know

[1:10:02] if that's something that we need to

[1:10:03] permit but I also should recuse myself

[1:10:06] from this coffee station right now

[1:10:09] because it's separate so the actual

[1:10:11] intent is for four days but the event is

[1:10:15] for 10 days

[1:10:17] so four days

[1:10:19] it's essentially two weekends

[1:10:23] same people

[1:10:25] uh yes 100 to 300 sorry I did not say that

[1:10:29] so it's missing only me is it

[1:10:35] concert goers and the musicians or is it

[1:10:39] just for them

[1:10:41] the numbers you mean oh the numbers are

[1:10:43] the concert goers we don't have 300

[1:10:45] musicians

[1:10:47] but I also I don't think that it's

[1:10:49] appropriate for me to like talk as a

[1:10:51] representative of the music festival in

[1:10:53] this context

[1:10:58] any questions okay

[1:11:00] um number 30 Desert Rats Kokopelli 150

[1:11:03] it's athletic event June 19th through

[1:11:06] the 24th total daily attendance is 60.

[1:11:10] um running event using the Kokopelli

[1:11:12] Trail 20 years of History this event

[1:11:15] with the dates um and the trial they do

[1:11:18] require a physical for registration

[1:11:24] that is all of them

[1:11:29] all right yeah thanks Angie

[1:11:33] I'm

[1:11:35] so I'll get that one answer for you

[1:11:37] before but would you like me to present

[1:11:39] it the same way

[1:11:41] or

[1:11:42] I do we need to go through

[1:11:46] I don't think we need to go through each

[1:11:48] we could we could in the commission when

[1:11:50] we do the um when we actually what's the

[1:11:53] Most accountants I'm sorry what uh Mary

[1:11:56] was asking how we or if we didn't we

[1:11:59] don't need to present them each

[1:12:01] individually when the agenda item comes

[1:12:03] up during no no I mean I think we should

[1:12:05] figure out it figure out do most of the

[1:12:08] heavy lifting right now and then we can

[1:12:09] just blanket say we're going to approve

[1:12:11] like say one through nine okay I just

[1:12:13] want to make sure I understood that what

[1:12:14] you guys how you guys wanted me to do

[1:12:16] that

[1:12:20] so now we need to get down into the

[1:12:21] nitty-gritty of which events so um next year

[1:12:30] these will be the blue ones just winter

[1:12:34] ones I guess you could call it would be

[1:12:36] presented a porter yes maybe yeah they'd

[1:12:39] be they'd be so back for summer during

[1:12:41] the Spring and the fall right correct

[1:12:43] we're always there always three months

[1:12:45] ahead yeah okay six months six months

[1:12:47] I'm sorry six months had already

[1:12:51] all right so someone you had an idea

[1:12:52] about how you wanted to so again I think

[1:12:54] it makes sense to unless you know some

[1:12:57] of these events have been going on for a

[1:12:59] large number of years like 10 or 12 or

[1:13:00] more

[1:13:02] um you know I think with those

[1:13:03] presumptively they're okay unless

[1:13:05] someone wants to single one out to say

[1:13:07] we shouldn't approve it and then

[1:13:09] conversely the the others that are brand

[1:13:12] new or have only been going for a year

[1:13:14] or two right you know they're I think

[1:13:16] kind of the burden of we should look at

[1:13:17] those closely and see is that you know

[1:13:20] adding something that we don't already

[1:13:21] have from the existing

[1:13:23] events so okay do you want to go through

[1:13:25] and and

[1:13:27] check off a few that yeah I mean so

[1:13:30] Easter Jeep Safari obviously has been

[1:13:32] going on for a while yeah and I I mean

[1:13:34] going going back to that conversation

[1:13:35] about the sub events I mean I just think

[1:13:38] of it as one big love but I mean I I

[1:13:41] think you know we know what the Jeep

[1:13:42] Safari is like we know you know it's a

[1:13:45] well-known thing of impact so unless

[1:13:46] they're proposing some kind of change

[1:13:48] I would just tend to approve all of

[1:13:51] those things together

[1:13:52] um you know maybe next year we yeah I I

[1:13:55] I'd agree with you on that I think

[1:13:56] that's a good idea and then maybe do it

[1:13:57] do a shift in how they get like if they

[1:13:59] get approved Under the Umbrella of this

[1:14:03] but but maybe go going forwards for next

[1:14:05] year's Jeep so far we could get into

[1:14:06] touch with BLM early you know ask them

[1:14:09] you're just what's the whole landscape

[1:14:10] of these sub events you know really yeah

[1:14:12] Associated special Recreation permits

[1:14:15] right and then ask them what the trend

[1:14:16] is is this something that's getting a

[1:14:18] lot bigger than it used to you know yeah

[1:14:20] if we're approving the troops of art

[1:14:21] based on impacts we remember over the

[1:14:23] past five years is what's being proposed

[1:14:25] for this year the same as that or is it

[1:14:27] significantly larger because of these

[1:14:29] sub events I think that's the question

[1:14:30] we want to answer yeah that sounds like

[1:14:33] a good idea

[1:14:35] um

[1:14:36] so the next going down the next one that

[1:14:39] you know is a brand new event is a

[1:14:41] screen River dirt bike rally yep but it

[1:14:43] sounded like our consensus is almost

[1:14:45] entirely outside of Grand County yeah it

[1:14:48] sounds like it's outside of Grant County

[1:14:49] it's put on by the city of Green River I

[1:14:51] just have a small small event inside

[1:14:53] Grant County at the far Fringe of the

[1:14:55] county the adrenaline Seekers right it

[1:14:59] doesn't doesn't

[1:15:00] bring any alarm bills

[1:15:04] um and then the next one the yamasa

[1:15:06] trail race we discussed some potential

[1:15:08] Traditions there right yeah I think we I

[1:15:11] mean I figured with this Trish it was

[1:15:13] suggested that maybe we should suggest a

[1:15:15] condition that none of the staging

[1:15:25] utilize shuttles that'd be great also

[1:15:29] and also figure out what you know the

[1:15:30] earlier the better as far as that goes

[1:15:32] out

[1:15:32] yeah I do remember I think I ran maybe

[1:15:35] it was eight years ago and I I forgot to

[1:15:36] mention set a course record for you know

[1:15:38] someone over 40 but um

[1:15:44] barely broken mine

[1:15:51] it was it was a soft record I think

[1:15:56] it was a pretty soft record

[1:15:59] um but when I was there yeah it didn't

[1:16:00] seem crowded I mean yes it occupied the

[1:16:02] whole parking lot I don't remember a lot

[1:16:04] of other uses and users going through

[1:16:06] there it seemed like it got done

[1:16:07] relatively early in the morning but on

[1:16:10] the other things have changed on a mass

[1:16:12] effect the new trails that have been

[1:16:13] built out there have made that an

[1:16:14] immensely popular mountain biking area

[1:16:16] plus you even have like the base jumping

[1:16:18] crowd out there frequently and other

[1:16:32] hmm

[1:16:34] okay okay so so we're just gonna just

[1:16:38] gonna ask them so Angie asks them

[1:16:45] well I'll pack a pickup and yeah

[1:16:49] are you taking notes

[1:16:57] uh Chris know what we're up to

[1:17:00] um

[1:17:01] right well I guess I was just doing the

[1:17:03] ones that are relatively oh right right

[1:17:05] unless someone has an older event that

[1:17:08] they want to flag

[1:17:10] um so the next newish event is um Trail

[1:17:12] Fest Trail Fest which is like a new

[1:17:14] running event

[1:17:16] fairly large attendance

[1:17:18] I don't I I'm

[1:17:21] I feel like it hasn't happened yet and

[1:17:23] we've been talking about how many Trail

[1:17:25] events

[1:17:26] we have and if we want to x a running

[1:17:28] event this is the one I would do it's at

[1:17:30] like peak season

[1:17:32] it's across the whole week

[1:17:34] it's people aren't staying in hotels

[1:17:36] they're all camping you think

[1:17:42] oh it's out of County facility what it's being hosted out of County facility

[1:17:49] it is bringing money into the county in

[1:17:52] terms of those to rent right uh Angie is

[1:17:54] that what you're

[1:17:55] referring to yeah I think so see I'm I'm

[1:17:58] always

[1:18:00] looking at uh

[1:18:04] you know if these people are in town

[1:18:06] they're less noisy uh recreationalists

[1:18:10] don't have as much choice

[1:18:12] yeah I don't know if we're going to

[1:18:14] solve our crowding problem just by

[1:18:16] stuffing the hotels as full as we can

[1:18:23] skeptical of that strategy

[1:18:25] um and I sort of agree with Sarah that

[1:18:27] and I mean I I like running events you

[1:18:30] know as as evidence by the past item but

[1:18:33] you know we've got a ton of them already

[1:18:35] most of them

[1:18:40] um

[1:18:45] yeah we've got a lot of them I think the

[1:18:48] ones you know especially you know

[1:18:50] utilizing the trails that are closest to

[1:18:51] town which are also where people go I

[1:18:53] want to go hiking or mountain bike

[1:18:54] riding you know just have you know going

[1:18:56] on a hike and that coincides on the day

[1:18:58] where there's like uh several hundred

[1:18:59] people doing a trail race that's not so

[1:19:01] great I mean so I think they're

[1:19:02] preempting a lot of people so I think

[1:19:05] this is a new event

[1:19:06] to doing

[1:19:08] many of the trails seem closer to town

[1:19:10] if I'm remembering correctly

[1:19:13] um so I'm just not sure we need and and

[1:19:16] I I guess just sort of a more General

[1:19:17] comment is I think the point of this

[1:19:19] process we know from past experience

[1:19:22] that we have trouble saying no if we're

[1:19:23] just presented with one event at a time

[1:19:25] and doing it this way allows us to look

[1:19:27] at the whole spectrum of events that

[1:19:29] we're seeing and what I'm seeing here is

[1:19:31] that April is really crowded and we got

[1:19:33] lots of other running events so it's not

[1:19:34] like having one more is going to add to

[1:19:36] a variety

[1:19:38] so

[1:19:39] just just I pulled up the the trails are

[1:19:42] gonna be on the Pritchard Arch 100

[1:19:43] Canyon Loop Trail King Springs Road uh

[1:19:46] the Boy Scout base camp I guess that's

[1:19:49] out in uh it's a Bull Canyon Raider I

[1:19:51] think Gemini road yet

[1:19:52] um Gemini Bridges Trail and porcupine

[1:19:54] Road

[1:20:01] well Hunter Canyon single attractive

[1:20:03] yeah nice enough Trail right now right

[1:20:08] it just got blown out

[1:20:11] I think it's worth noting it seems like

[1:20:13] first quarter is very running heavy

[1:20:16] second quarter is very like motorized

[1:20:18] vehicle heavy so in general I I know the

[1:20:22] discussion is towards more event

[1:20:23] diversification and

[1:20:27] um I'm not sure if the way to do that is

[1:20:29] to like single out preemptively a single

[1:20:31] event though I understand what's being

[1:20:33] said but I I think my larger question is

[1:20:35] how are we starting to

[1:20:39] court that diversity in events or do we

[1:20:42] want to decide as a body that we want

[1:20:44] certain times of the year that have no

[1:20:46] events which it seems like that again is

[1:20:48] a larger

[1:20:49] conversation that's not about a single

[1:20:51] event

[1:20:52] it's also a little bit self-regulating

[1:20:54] winter obviously doesn't have too many

[1:20:56] events in the middle of summer is

[1:20:57] usually pretty pretty light also

[1:21:00] no it's yeah I mean I wasn't meaning to

[1:21:02] single to mount up but I guess I was

[1:21:04] putting out the idea that if it's a new

[1:21:06] event there's like a heavy burden of

[1:21:08] proof on them and I think you know if

[1:21:10] it's mostly not in Grant County we can

[1:21:12] say yeah

[1:21:13] some kind of a you know event Maybe

[1:21:16] music or something that we don't have a

[1:21:17] whole lot of but that's the reason to

[1:21:18] say yes but if it's but I think we've

[1:21:20] already got lots of running events we've

[1:21:22] got lots of biking events we've got lots

[1:21:23] of motorized events and so I don't feel

[1:21:25] enthusiastic about adding still more of

[1:21:28] them unless there's some good reason to

[1:21:29] do it now Angie's offered the reason

[1:21:30] that we'll get some fees at osta that's

[1:21:35] um but I don't

[1:21:37] to me I don't know that that by itself

[1:21:39] is persuasive

[1:21:41] do you mind if I ask Angie what kind of

[1:21:43] uh like what are we talking about as far

[1:21:45] as an event like this bringing in uh

[1:21:47] financially

[1:21:49] happening and these numbers were

[1:21:54] 12 to 17 000.

[1:21:57] I think we need to be careful I mean

[1:22:00] I've asked August that question he says

[1:22:01] we have no metric by which to evaluate

[1:22:04] the economic impact of special events

[1:22:06] right now

[1:22:09] I

[1:22:17] am going off yeah right right like I

[1:22:20] don't have everything that they're ready

[1:22:22] figured out that hasn't been somewhere

[1:22:24] in that range they're they're running

[1:22:26] the full facility so it depends on how

[1:22:29] that breaks down plus camping

[1:22:32] configuring 700 people at 30 a night for

[1:22:37] um for a week

[1:22:39] it's gonna add up my inner crisp kicks

[1:22:43] in here I have remembering that we are

[1:22:47] like it doesn't it's a community

[1:22:49] facility so it's not Revenue driven

[1:22:52] right yeah it's more

[1:22:53] [Music]

[1:22:55] but it helps us stay out

[1:22:57] of calculus get closer to Black

[1:23:00] yeah I do Wonder Kevin is

[1:23:03] if you were to talk to these organizers

[1:23:05] and say have you considered Trails like

[1:23:08] we think about stuff that's a little bit

[1:23:10] farther it's hard for me to pick places

[1:23:12] in the county now that are a little bit

[1:23:15] out but I think about

[1:23:17] like that you know top of the world that

[1:23:20] area do you know what I mean stuff that would they be willing to consider

[1:23:25] stuff a little bit farther

[1:23:27] I mean I think there'll be a small

[1:23:28] Improvement but I I just feel like

[1:23:30] there's already quite a bit of

[1:23:31] commercialization of yeah non-motorized

[1:23:34] Trails but these foot races and I I love

[1:23:38] foot races you know I like to do it but

[1:23:40] I don't like them

[1:23:42] you know over 15 times a year that just

[1:23:45] seems like too much to me and so I think

[1:23:48] you know if we're gonna ever I mean

[1:23:51] you know we could just say yes to every

[1:23:52] event which would seem kind of silly

[1:23:54] after all the work we've gone through to

[1:23:56] spray this process but if this this

[1:23:58] seems like a candidate for a no to me

[1:24:01] I I think if any running event would be

[1:24:03] a candidate for that it would be this I

[1:24:05] will say as a as a business person I

[1:24:07] love the running events even though I

[1:24:08] ran a bike shop because there's this

[1:24:10] spill over to different things that so

[1:24:12] many times people would stick around and

[1:24:14] they they'd spend a ton of money in town

[1:24:15] renting bikes going on tours just eating

[1:24:18] out and stuff like that so it's it's

[1:24:19] pretty pretty nice for the business

[1:24:22] community

[1:24:24] and they're low they are low impact

[1:24:26] they're generally very pleasant blue

[1:24:29] yeah I think low impact more kind of

[1:24:31] what you're looking for

[1:24:33] uh visitors what should we move on

[1:24:36] through the list and sure come back to

[1:24:38] it yeah

[1:24:39] uh Trail Fest uh building man that's

[1:24:42] more of a Legacy Event I guess or yeah I

[1:24:44] was okay it's also far from moabs

[1:24:48] it's helping out Grant yeah uh

[1:24:52] where's uh I would say biker pulley is

[1:24:55] also a Legacy Event it just hadn't

[1:24:57] applied for a permit here right I know

[1:25:00] he's been doing that for for at least 20

[1:25:03] years yeah 12 years I was gonna say okay

[1:25:05] and it's for the most part it takes

[1:25:06] place it's mostly out in the yeah out

[1:25:09] speaking out like West Water Area and

[1:25:11] down through uh yeah

[1:25:13] do we

[1:25:15] adapters on the Rocks is that that's so

[1:25:18] that's a relatively new event

[1:25:20] here third year okay and this is this is

[1:25:22] Ford Raptors it's like it's a so it's

[1:25:24] again it's like a yes

[1:25:26] I also don't want to rule out talking

[1:25:28] about

[1:25:29] um the Bronco Club

[1:25:31] okay as it is

[1:25:34] in a long lineup of motorized events

[1:25:37] every other weekend and it's huge

[1:25:40] and it's the youngest one of those

[1:25:43] motorized events yeah

[1:25:47] like it follows Jeep Safari and cruise

[1:25:49] Moab

[1:25:51] right and Raptors and then Jamboree but

[1:25:56] I let's go through the other newer

[1:25:58] events motorized events in May and

[1:26:02] maybe look at that I just don't want to

[1:26:04] rule out yeah

[1:26:06] so where were we on rabbits on the Rocks

[1:26:08] right yeah yeah I mean I do I think

[1:26:11] we've we've got

[1:26:13] all the running events we need already I

[1:26:15] think that's also true for motorized

[1:26:16] events but I will say that um you know it's a lot

[1:26:22] quieter than like you know these

[1:26:23] full-sized Vehicles yeah not usually

[1:26:26] what people are complaining about that's

[1:26:27] worth keeping in mind the Raptors are

[1:26:29] all relatively new I think right so they

[1:26:31] have ostensibly I think they're have

[1:26:33] better sound suppression systems Etc so

[1:26:36] that maybe that leads me

[1:26:38] it's a Ford Raptor it's a it's a

[1:26:41] 50 yeah it's not

[1:26:43] a dinosaur

[1:26:47] burn status

[1:26:54] um

[1:26:55] but yeah it is only its third year and

[1:26:59] yeah I think also I mean just looking at

[1:27:02] the calendar I think it's helpful kind

[1:27:03] of noticing which events are like a

[1:27:06] single day like a running event that's a

[1:27:07] single day versus uh like a week-long

[1:27:10] motorized right because those feel like

[1:27:12] very different impacts yeah I agree yeah

[1:27:16] is so it was Raptors uh one also it's

[1:27:20] rappers or what are they yes they are

[1:27:23] okay

[1:27:26] this is just a thought you know we're

[1:27:28] saying that there's too many many

[1:27:30] motorized uh events in this time period

[1:27:33] I mean uh is it a possibility to uh some

[1:27:37] of these events to

[1:27:39] produce you know do their event more in

[1:27:42] our slower season even though it's hot

[1:27:44] they're inside uh air-conditioned

[1:27:47] vehicles

[1:27:49] I mean say you know this

[1:27:51] anyway as a path forward if they didn't

[1:27:54] if they wanted to move forward during

[1:27:56] the slow time of year might be off you

[1:28:00] know a possibility of asking them to do

[1:28:02] I I also wonder moving forward about the

[1:28:05] idea of

[1:28:07] creating like a maximum amount of event

[1:28:09] days per a single kind of type of event

[1:28:13] which would be a much more like sort of

[1:28:15] judicious non-specific way to sort of

[1:28:19] equalize some of these

[1:28:22] I don't know what the process looks like

[1:28:24] but I'm sorry could you say that again

[1:28:26] so like for instance running versus

[1:28:28] motorized versus I mean those seem to be

[1:28:30] the dominant ones so it's silly to limit

[1:28:33] other things yet because we just aren't

[1:28:35] flooded with them but to have you know a

[1:28:38] maximum per year per calendar year

[1:28:41] number of event days like you know that

[1:28:44] we are willing to approve as a body or

[1:28:46] for a particular event type yeah

[1:28:52] there's any consensus on Rapture on the

[1:28:54] rocks

[1:28:56] I think that's one I think we should

[1:28:58] look at this clump of motorized events

[1:29:00] and whole in May so that's one that

[1:29:03] could be cut you're talking Bronco Club

[1:29:05] wrapped around the Rocks Jeep Jamboree

[1:29:08] more or less rally gone Moab oh right

[1:29:11] yeah

[1:29:12] I mean there's a time you know five

[1:29:17] all lined up for me so I feel like we

[1:29:19] need to at least you know say I don't

[1:29:21] know about it with you

[1:29:25] um but as far as they go Raptors on the

[1:29:27] Rock it's only 40 Vehicles compared to

[1:29:29] some of the other bigger ones like

[1:29:31] Jamboree

[1:29:33] um he just texted me it's only they

[1:29:36] limit it at a hundred registered

[1:29:38] vehicles with 25 additional Vehicles

[1:29:41] being guided so it's 125 units we're

[1:29:45] talking big Jeep championships oh sorry

[1:29:48] I gave that so Japan

[1:29:51] the 250 was accurate yeah sorry people

[1:29:56] and then 250 people

[1:29:58] 40. yeah and uh 120

[1:30:02] five big difference

[1:30:05] yeah

[1:30:08] and then gone my opinion Vehicles were

[1:30:10] talking with that one

[1:30:15] but that one's been going on 22 years

[1:30:21] so it's harder for me because I know too

[1:30:23] I guess

[1:30:25] okay so maybe just skip skipping ahead

[1:30:27] and put postponing discussion on the

[1:30:30] clump of motorized events there's the

[1:30:32] right so there are a relatively new

[1:30:34] event there's a MOAB musical festival

[1:30:36] high water

[1:30:38] um

[1:30:39] I mean I think that is that is adding

[1:30:41] diversity I love those Music Festival

[1:30:44] events

[1:30:46] so there's the concerts in town or close

[1:30:50] to town

[1:30:51] um it's

[1:30:55] again it's okay

[1:30:59] oh is the concert the concert's not in

[1:31:01] the backcountry or is that or is it

[1:31:03] there are music box there are two I

[1:31:06] think that are happening in like city

[1:31:08] park or something like that and there's

[1:31:10] private property one in Old City Park

[1:31:12] one on private property I think they're

[1:31:14] trying to do it like a float trip with

[1:31:16] Canyonlands by night and then two music

[1:31:17] hikes yeah

[1:31:19] um and and I misspoke before it's not

[1:31:21] two weekends it's a long weekend long

[1:31:23] weekend okay and it's also it's also

[1:31:25] past our Prime season it's getting into

[1:31:26] the summer seasons when things slow down

[1:31:28] considerably until yeah this one is is

[1:31:29] later than last yeah and this year the

[1:31:32] sixth to the ninth yeah usually we'll

[1:31:33] get some carrier over the first week of

[1:31:35] June and then and then it drops off

[1:31:36] precipitously as far as visitation

[1:31:40] sounds great

[1:31:44] yeah so we're okay with that which is

[1:31:47] that what we decided I think so yeah

[1:31:50] unless you're not married well I I like

[1:31:52] the modern music festival it's been

[1:31:54] around yeah maybe this event hasn't been

[1:31:56] around but a lot of the music festival

[1:31:58] has been around a long time and maybe

[1:32:00] I'm I think they've run a real tight

[1:32:02] ship my life but I yeah and then we

[1:32:06] didn't we didn't talk the the Colorado

[1:32:08] to Utah gravel event that's kind of out

[1:32:11] north in the Book Cliffs area any

[1:32:13] opposition to that one

[1:32:17] and then similarly the last one is just

[1:32:20] Desert Rats races looks great

[1:32:23] that's very fairly new but it's probably

[1:32:26] a few participants on the Coca-Cola

[1:32:28] trails and for the most part not close

[1:32:29] to us yeah I was just going by the number in

[1:32:39] the table it seems like a horrible time

[1:32:41] of year to run the kokopilly trail no

[1:32:43] God wasn't scratched

[1:32:45] real early

[1:32:47] um so so what's so the unresolved thing

[1:32:50] so there's the uh betrayal Fest

[1:32:55] real fast and Jeep Jamboree seemed like

[1:32:58] two

[1:32:59] yeah

[1:33:01] so the Jeep Jamboree has been going on

[1:33:03] in the fall for a long time and now they

[1:33:05] want to expand to the spring as well is

[1:33:07] that that's what we're looking at one in

[1:33:08] the spring before

[1:33:11] would like to do it again this is the

[1:33:13] williest rally in any way associated

[1:33:15] with the Jeep chamber yeah yeah okay

[1:33:16] totally separate yeah

[1:33:21] um I think we say no to the Jeep

[1:33:23] Jamboree they already have a entire week

[1:33:26] in the fall that they've been doing it

[1:33:28] for a long time

[1:33:30] it's a relatively large event 125

[1:33:33] vehicles

[1:33:39] I think

[1:33:42] organized but it's ordered by organized

[1:33:45] by Jeep oh it's not it's cheap it's not

[1:33:48] a little bit

[1:33:55] and like you said they still so this

[1:33:56] year they'll be applying for a fall time

[1:33:58] slot also yes not cover okay I'm also I

[1:34:03] mean Willie's rallies about the new

[1:34:04] event

[1:34:06] it's been happening for a while and

[1:34:09] Willie's is very seriously doubt there's

[1:34:11] more than 20 of the vehicles actually

[1:34:12] leaving the property because these

[1:34:14] things are old

[1:34:16] they're definitely vintage and they're not going to be vehicles that

[1:34:20] have any type of speed any type of it's more like a car show car show yeah that's right and when they're they

[1:34:28] do have motorized Trails but their

[1:34:29] trails are going to be

[1:34:33] yeah they're not

[1:34:36] and it's going to be 70 year old

[1:34:38] Vehicles out there kind of puttering

[1:34:39] around right

[1:34:42] they're probably going to be trailered

[1:34:43] yeah yeah you'd assume

[1:34:46] um

[1:34:47] I mean does anyone feel strongly that

[1:34:49] Jeep Jamboree should not

[1:34:52] be asked

[1:34:54] what I mean I tend to I just think we've

[1:34:56] got limited capacity and we've we've got

[1:34:58] a lot of motorized events in this time

[1:35:01] period that that are already established

[1:35:03] that's three weeks in a row of motorized

[1:35:06] events it's not not a local promoter

[1:35:13] other than you know and they would still

[1:35:15] have the other week they'd have the

[1:35:17] weekend maybe if we if we will yeah

[1:35:20] maybe

[1:35:22] so so far we've been saying yes to all a

[1:35:25] step you know long-established events

[1:35:27] yeah

[1:35:30] because people really do start to plan

[1:35:33] their vacations

[1:35:34] absolutely

[1:35:37] I think a fall in the spring

[1:35:40] is nice I don't know if we need to

[1:35:41] double down on deep events in the spring

[1:35:45] yeah

[1:35:51] I mean that still leaves even if we if

[1:35:53] we delete Willy's rally you know it's so

[1:35:56] leaves Utah Bronco Club Raptors on the

[1:35:58] Rock Jeep Jamboree and gone Moab

[1:36:01] all in May is that is that one every

[1:36:04] weekend basically

[1:36:09] yeah

[1:36:10] every single weekend in May yeah

[1:36:14] those I mean some of these are are not

[1:36:16] huge

[1:36:17] right away yeah especially Raptors on

[1:36:19] the Rocks it's pretty pretty small so I

[1:36:21] think that it's worth keeping that in

[1:36:22] mind

[1:36:23] but I'm yeah I mean I support the I you

[1:36:28] know I think whenever we already have a

[1:36:30] lot of events at the same time at the

[1:36:32] same time of year

[1:36:33] when someone has to make a really strong

[1:36:35] case do we need to add yet another event

[1:36:37] like that and yeah I don't see what that

[1:36:39] is in this case

[1:36:40] and I I think for roughly similar events

[1:36:43] I'm not sure we need you know yet

[1:36:44] another Trail race we've got Bunches of

[1:36:46] them

[1:36:47] um

[1:36:48] so

[1:36:51] yeah it seems to me as far as like

[1:36:53] timing and how the how the spring is

[1:36:56] divvied up it would make the most sense

[1:36:58] to take the Utah Bronco Club out of

[1:37:00] there but they've been

[1:37:02] engaged in the county for a long time

[1:37:05] how long

[1:37:07] the Bronco Club oh that's the 12-year

[1:37:10] Mark can I just throw into consideration

[1:37:13] this is really going to open up the

[1:37:14] calendar a lot I mean this is a county

[1:37:18] entity that we're talking about so it's

[1:37:21] Revenue coming in

[1:37:23] to the county

[1:37:24] yeah for me it's important to fight for

[1:37:27] that yeah I mean I think it's important to fund Austin to

[1:37:31] also get Revenue as a county but I think

[1:37:34] it's important for us to

[1:37:35] listen to the biggest issue that people

[1:37:38] have talked to us about all the time

[1:37:40] which is the impact the noise impact and

[1:37:42] the kind of like busy growth of Moab and

[1:37:45] this is where we have a chance to try to decide the direction that we

[1:37:52] want to go

[1:37:55] I'm I'm uh

[1:37:58] sensitive to Angie's concerns as well uh

[1:38:02] not that I think that it should be a

[1:38:05] revenue generator that we can get every

[1:38:07] dollar

[1:38:08] that that shouldn't be our mandate is to

[1:38:11] make a bunch of money through osta but

[1:38:15] um I I like this process and I kind of

[1:38:18] think that

[1:38:19] uh getting something in place this year

[1:38:22] and then kind of dealing you know

[1:38:25] I'm kind of more in limiting the growth

[1:38:28] than trying to rewind and I know that

[1:38:32] that's not the same as where everyone

[1:38:34] else is but uh

[1:38:36] for what it's worth I'm sensitive to to

[1:38:39] wiping the post to calendar clean and

[1:38:43] I'm a little more

[1:38:46] comfortable with some of these

[1:38:48] long-standing ones continuing to operate and then just having us a

[1:38:54] place that's new applications

[1:38:57] just three years for sure but but that

[1:39:00] is more or less what we're doing I mean

[1:39:02] I I think the

[1:39:03] proposal on the table is all the events

[1:39:06] that have been operating in the past are

[1:39:08] getting approved and then there's two

[1:39:11] new applications that you know that

[1:39:13] we're some people have advocated for

[1:39:15] saying no to one was

[1:39:18] um

[1:39:18] Trail Festival yeah there's one running event in one Jeep event

[1:39:26] um so that sounds consistent with what

[1:39:28] you were well it sounded like we were

[1:39:30] starting to get into Broncos and Raptors

[1:39:32] oh yeah no I don't think anyone's I

[1:39:34] think they were just that was the

[1:39:36] context

[1:39:38] uh so so we're looking at probably

[1:39:41] eliminating one of the four kind of

[1:39:44] branded motorized events yeah the Jeep

[1:39:47] Jamboree and but it's not eliminating

[1:39:49] because it's a brand new application

[1:39:50] yeah right sort of sort of freezing sure

[1:39:52] that exists absolutely right both for

[1:39:55] the running events and for promoters I

[1:39:58] could see the Jeep Jamboree

[1:40:00] just because

[1:40:02] it's their second event of the year it's

[1:40:04] their second event of the year I'm okay

[1:40:06] with that one I was just I'm okay with

[1:40:08] that too yeah before we started piling

[1:40:10] yeah I'm nervous myself

[1:40:22] they've been trying to get this event to

[1:40:25] work since 2019. honestly I'm a bit of

[1:40:28] an advocate for trail Fest I think yeah

[1:40:29] it might be kind of cool the other thing

[1:40:31] I'd point out about it is that every

[1:40:33] other events are running a race whereas

[1:40:35] Trail Fest is is just Trail runs and

[1:40:37] there's actually a difference

[1:40:38] non-competitive right yeah it's gonna be

[1:40:41] Expo clinics

[1:40:43] um it's a full then just like group run but 700 that's a huge number

[1:40:47] of people just yeah I mean if this were

[1:40:50] a hundred percent instead of 750 I might

[1:40:52] say okay but could we ask them they're

[1:40:55] going to be camping at OSA too although

[1:40:57] it'll be self-contained what do you how

[1:41:00] honestly how many people you think will

[1:41:01] be camping like half an hour quarter of

[1:41:03] that I think they're going for everybody

[1:41:05] oh yeah okay so it'd be like one big so

[1:41:07] it's more like a festival for them yeah I mean I mean I think the more I

[1:41:13] learned about this event the less I like

[1:41:15] it I mean this it sounds like really

[1:41:17] large

[1:41:19] um it's you know over multiple days

[1:41:21] we've already got a lot of things like

[1:41:24] this

[1:41:25] um you know again I don't I don't think

[1:41:27] you know it just feels like

[1:41:30] commercializing the backcountry

[1:41:32] um

[1:41:33] would you be

[1:41:35] interested in it I know and this is

[1:41:37] tough because I I don't run anymore but

[1:41:40] I used to be a huge Trail Runner

[1:41:42] um if it was a different time of the

[1:41:44] year like if it was in February and I

[1:41:47] realized that but to me running here in

[1:41:49] February you can run here all year long

[1:41:51] so I don't know I'm just wondering would

[1:41:54] be a little bit more willing if we moved

[1:41:56] it to a different time of the year where

[1:41:58] it if it's the community a little bit

[1:42:00] more it benefits business is a little

[1:42:02] bit more

[1:42:03] does that make sense

[1:42:05] that they would be I mean if it were the

[1:42:08] only running event of the Year sure but

[1:42:10] we've already got lots of others

[1:42:12] and I think at some point we have to

[1:42:13] start saying no I mean although you know

[1:42:15] because you know the way crowding occurs

[1:42:18] it's not in gigantic blocks it occurs

[1:42:20] one little event at a time one little

[1:42:21] increase at a time right

[1:42:23] um and I think just the fact that was

[1:42:25] you know maybe these are very nice

[1:42:27] people maybe they've been trying to do

[1:42:28] this for a while but that's to me that's

[1:42:30] not sufficient I I think you just look

[1:42:32] at you know we've already got all these

[1:42:34] events that are established we're

[1:42:36] inclined to say yes to those

[1:42:38] given these things that are already on

[1:42:39] the calendar do we need another event

[1:42:41] like this

[1:42:42] would be the answer is no

[1:42:49] smaller attendance

[1:42:57] on these kind of events does a promoter

[1:42:59] need to hit obviously certain numbers to

[1:43:01] actually make it worth their while right

[1:43:03] yeah I have no idea do we know how to

[1:43:05] break even do we know how big the the

[1:43:08] runs are

[1:43:10] it better

[1:43:12] there's a website oh yeah like half my

[1:43:15] half marathons right I mean like how

[1:43:18] many people presumably everybody would

[1:43:20] run a single course yeah so they're advertising day one is Pritchard

[1:43:25] Arch and then seven messages

[1:43:29] well 700 over the debt time period

[1:43:33] 700 over the time period I that's total

[1:43:37] daily attention so it's not all the

[1:43:39] registered writers so not everybody's

[1:43:41] going to run every single race

[1:43:43] they're also advertising family

[1:43:45] activities right and stuff I kind of

[1:43:48] like most of the courses are on two

[1:43:50] tracks right it looks like um

[1:43:53] porcupine which

[1:43:55] in my mind I was wondering about user

[1:43:58] conflict is that Saturday which day is

[1:44:01] April 29th

[1:44:06] yeah that's not a good idea at all

[1:44:10] I don't know man I mean I just think

[1:44:12] it's at some point we have to start

[1:44:13] saying no

[1:44:14] um I mean I don't like a good we should

[1:44:16] turn around you know suppose we've you

[1:44:18] know we had only the old events and we

[1:44:20] were deciding we need to seek out some

[1:44:22] new events because we want a few more

[1:44:23] for various reasons is this the kind of

[1:44:24] event we would encourage someone to

[1:44:26] apply for I don't think so

[1:44:30] with this process if we had something

[1:44:33] where it was like oh we don't like the

[1:44:34] Saturday we don't like the number of

[1:44:37] racers would we kick that back to the

[1:44:39] applicant and kind of say would you like

[1:44:43] to try again and adjust X Y and Z it

[1:44:47] would be comfortable with next year

[1:44:48] there were less people and you didn't do

[1:44:50] uh part what was it porcupine it's just

[1:44:53] a Saturday porcupine room is it yeah I

[1:44:55] mean it's just a different Trail for

[1:44:56] Saturday

[1:44:58] I run in Monticello well I mean

[1:45:01] regardless of this particular one just

[1:45:04] you know in the application process if

[1:45:06] we find something that's a little like

[1:45:09] well it's like approving with conditions

[1:45:12] right yeah yeah and it can come back to

[1:45:14] us for final approval yeah for the same

[1:45:16] year

[1:45:19] but it wouldn't come back to us till

[1:45:21] near near yeah

[1:45:23] as a final package I mean they already

[1:45:25] have it advertised I don't want to do

[1:45:27] that I know but what I'm saying is

[1:45:45] um I have some mentioning specific

[1:45:47] Trails I also think the hunter Canyon

[1:45:50] Loop Trail is totally inappropriate for

[1:45:51] large groups so I don't see the hunter

[1:45:54] Canyon

[1:45:55] it's on their their application so is

[1:45:57] that okay but not on their website

[1:46:07] come down right so it turns into single

[1:46:09] attractive uh I I think that the side

[1:46:13] without knowing the specifics of the

[1:46:16] number of Runners it seems like an event

[1:46:19] that size in the backcountry on single

[1:46:21] track

[1:46:22] is probably not what we're after in

[1:46:25] April yeah

[1:46:31] I think it's not like we don't have

[1:46:33] enough special events you know we're not

[1:46:35] it's not our job to be nice to

[1:46:38] applicants I mean that's that's not what

[1:46:40] we're supposed to do here yeah so this

[1:46:43] company I mean it seems like it's the

[1:46:44] same

[1:46:49] it's just one of their Series yeah he

[1:46:50] has a series right okay but this isn't a

[1:46:53] local family no no

[1:46:55] Saint George or Washington County yeah

[1:46:57] okay yeah

[1:47:05] uh

[1:47:08] I don't

[1:47:10] so would we mix it kind of as is and

[1:47:13] they could take another shot or does it

[1:47:15] say don't even I mean

[1:47:17] because I

[1:47:19] think I think we could say that you know

[1:47:22] we feel like we're already on the scale

[1:47:24] of a year we're already set with running

[1:47:25] events if they wanted to do something up

[1:47:28] in the book lifts or something with you

[1:47:30] know a lot fewer people you know then

[1:47:33] they could try applying again for next

[1:47:34] year or something but

[1:47:36] um

[1:47:41] bloodshot

[1:47:44] again I think I'd be more apt to you

[1:47:47] know if you look at something like

[1:47:48] February

[1:47:49] but but then they couldn't camp out yeah

[1:47:55] I think the applicant is probably

[1:47:58] welcome to listen to this Workshop to

[1:48:00] understand why we denied them and could

[1:48:02] still apply in fall or in the future

[1:48:06] um I I also would note that moving

[1:48:09] forward we would be doing this process a

[1:48:11] lot earlier for

[1:48:13] okay

[1:48:25] so it's so it sounds so I guess based on

[1:48:28] the conversation so far I would propose

[1:48:30] that we

[1:48:31] approve all the ideas

[1:48:34] you know for the spring with the

[1:48:36] exception of

[1:48:38] this um it's a trail mix trail trail

[1:48:41] Fest that we're just talking about and

[1:48:44] the expansion and the new spring Jeep

[1:48:46] Jam to read which members of the press

[1:48:49] should be clear this is not the usual

[1:48:50] Jeep chamber weave which is in the fall

[1:48:52] which isn't going a long time this is

[1:48:55] a new one

[1:48:59] so we're saying yes to almost everything

[1:49:01] but not everything

[1:49:08] now so

[1:49:12] they won't have to go through this whole

[1:49:13] process too yeah okay that's all right

[1:49:18] now this is really that seems clean I

[1:49:21] still have a bit of a question mark what

[1:49:23] do we do with the two that

[1:49:25] it's just like denied in the story or is

[1:49:28] it a

[1:49:31] um can we just try again for this year

[1:49:32] or I I think we're a loss in special

[1:49:36] events and we don't need to go out of

[1:49:37] our way to connect with people but well

[1:49:40] the committee issue the findings

[1:49:45] you know thanks but no thanks because

[1:49:48] well I mean what they could ask Angie or

[1:49:51] Rachel you know why and you know they

[1:49:54] can listen to the tape of what we've

[1:49:55] been saying right now where they can ask

[1:49:57] staff that

[1:50:00] okay

[1:50:01] I mean I'm kind of with Quinn I don't

[1:50:02] want to say

[1:50:04] you do X Y and Z we would like it not

[1:50:08] that that's a great thing but it's kind

[1:50:10] of like if they start with a blank slate

[1:50:12] and just come back I mean but I I would

[1:50:16] say I don't know if this is a sense of

[1:50:17] the full commission but you know in

[1:50:19] these categories of both motorized

[1:50:22] events and running events we've already

[1:50:23] got quite a few so I think any new

[1:50:26] events you know there's got to be

[1:50:28] something special about them you know

[1:50:29] maybe they're very low impact because

[1:50:30] they're most being run out of Green

[1:50:32] River or Fruita or something like that

[1:50:34] or you know there's just something kind

[1:50:37] of unique and great about them but if

[1:50:39] it's just yet another event in those

[1:50:40] categories

[1:50:41] to me that's a tough thing to approve so

[1:50:44] that's why I like the idea of a cap on

[1:50:47] certain kinds of events because it's a

[1:50:48] little bit more of an objective metric

[1:50:51] so we're just like this is our cap and I

[1:50:54] think Kevin you've kind of mentioned

[1:50:55] this in the past too of like if this is

[1:50:56] our number and we've got this many

[1:50:58] applicants to fit into that number how

[1:51:00] do we how do we then you know Whittle it

[1:51:02] down to our ideal number

[1:51:04] um you know so maybe for three months

[1:51:07] from now when we do this again we might

[1:51:08] want to come up with some of those yeah

[1:51:11] we still need to make a decision about

[1:51:13] how to treat the Red Cliffs the very

[1:51:16] unclear application for their redcliff's

[1:51:18] concert series

[1:51:22] come on

[1:51:24] personally I I'm okay with uh

[1:51:30] I'm saying yes to it if they're going to

[1:51:32] provide a shot Shadow are you good with

[1:51:34] that Sarah yeah I'm happy with that as

[1:51:37] well

[1:51:40] needed okay sorry I guess we already did

[1:51:43] decide that music is cool I think we

[1:51:45] thought there might be more

[1:51:49] I got the only thing

[1:51:51] well if it's in the evening we talked

[1:51:53] about blackout dates right so there is

[1:51:55] there

[1:51:57] are roads which

[1:52:01] letting in the attendance as far as

[1:52:03] tickets

[1:52:04] I think in the end the shuttle should

[1:52:07] pretty much cover just shut up I think I

[1:52:11] think the event should take place in the

[1:52:12] afternoon after any of the yeah sporting

[1:52:14] events occur or we could just this year

[1:52:17] not not put precisions but just monitor

[1:52:19] it to see if it is causing problems

[1:52:24] really because they really appreciate

[1:52:27] the free concerts that's a big deal well

[1:52:30] and they've showcased local musicians

[1:52:31] this year as well in addition to

[1:52:33] Bringing people in so yeah

[1:52:35] kind of and this will still have to go

[1:52:39] through the special event advisory

[1:52:41] committee so we will still have the

[1:52:44] capacity here like you know in the room

[1:52:45] look at those dates that might be weird

[1:52:48] so maybe it could be approved also with

[1:52:51] giving that committee the ability to

[1:52:54] holistically look at the dates

[1:52:57] um

[1:52:58] maybe we can ask if it looks like some

[1:53:01] of their dates are going to coincide

[1:53:02] with busy times and you could

[1:53:05] raise a flag and bring it back up yeah

[1:53:09] before approving that date

[1:53:12] for

[1:53:19] so I think the motion is that to prove

[1:53:21] everything on the list with two

[1:53:23] exceptions and then there's some

[1:53:25] conditions on the yeah that music event

[1:53:28] and I think also back we also wanted

[1:53:32] them to avoid over utilizing that

[1:53:34] staging area okay so we need some kind

[1:53:37] of like

[1:53:38] appropriate ticket numbers like even if

[1:53:41] that's just like a vague kind of thing

[1:53:43] for for Red Cliffs I think monitor this

[1:53:47] year yeah I think so too

[1:53:49] they don't just like

[1:53:52] they get some big headliner and they

[1:53:54] don't have some cap you know like the

[1:53:56] stuff show over there

[1:54:02] we're all going

[1:54:05] I need to observe what's going on

[1:54:09] all right are we are we good I I feel

[1:54:12] comfortable because we're right okay

[1:54:13] cool I'll I'll adjourn the um special

[1:54:16] workshop and we'll reconvene at five

[1:54:18] minutes at four o'clock

[1:54:21] foreign

[2:03:35] it's somebody

[2:03:38] Mark Markham can you hear me

[2:03:46] yes I can

[2:03:48] great thank you Mark

[2:03:50] all right I will uh open this regular

[2:03:53] meeting of the Thompson Springs special

[2:03:56] service fire district uh October 18th

[2:03:59] present our County Commissioner Sarah

[2:04:02] stock Kevin Walker juicy Kovash Kevin

[2:04:04] Clapper Patricia Dean Mary McGann and

[2:04:06] myself Chuck cadler

[2:04:08] um we also have clerk Gateway tech we

[2:04:11] have commission administrator Mallory

[2:04:12] Nassau associate administrator Quinn

[2:04:15] Hall and we have Chief Markham on Zoom

[2:04:20] um our first order of business is

[2:04:23] citizens to be heard do we have any

[2:04:26] citizens who would like to be heard on

[2:04:28] uh issues pertaining to the Thompson

[2:04:30] fire district

[2:04:33] all right seeing none we'll move on uh

[2:04:36] next up we have approval of minutes

[2:04:39] um approval of minutes from the

[2:04:41] September 20th meeting

[2:04:44] did anyone care to make a motion I moved

[2:04:46] to accept the minutes as

[2:04:49] presented in the packet for uh the

[2:04:53] meeting on the 20th of

[2:04:58] I have a motion

[2:05:03] second

[2:05:04] all right I have a motion for approval

[2:05:06] of minutes by commissioner mcgannon

[2:05:08] second by commissioner Clapper any

[2:05:09] discussion of the Thompson minutes

[2:05:12] seeing none I'll call for a vote all

[2:05:13] this in favor raise your hand

[2:05:16] motion passes unanimously six to nothing

[2:05:19] with commissioner Kovash absent

[2:05:21] um we are on into ratification of

[2:05:24] payment of bills

[2:05:27] ratification of total bills in the

[2:05:30] amount of two thousand twenty dollars

[2:05:32] and ninety six cents total payroll the

[2:05:34] amount of 1

[2:05:35] 646.88 total bills and payroll in the

[2:05:38] amount of

[2:05:40] 3667.84 uh

[2:05:43] can I get a motion

[2:05:47] so moved

[2:05:49] Patricia

[2:05:51] all right motion to approve the bills by

[2:05:53] commissioner second by commissioner Walker any discussion on

[2:05:57] Thompson bills

[2:05:59] saying no no call for a vote all those

[2:06:01] in favor of the motion raise your hand

[2:06:03] motion passes six to nothing with uh

[2:06:05] commissioner Kovash absent

[2:06:09] um we are moving on to our fire chiefs

[2:06:12] report and we have Chief Markham on Zoom

[2:06:15] uh mark

[2:06:18] uh hello

[2:06:20] can you hear me we can yes thank you

[2:06:23] okay great yeah I'll start off with

[2:06:25] recent incidents

[2:06:26] on September 26th we had a semi-truck

[2:06:29] and trailer

[2:06:31] go flying off the bridge on I-78 mile

[2:06:33] marker 205 uh that's right at the West

[2:06:35] Cisco exit I went down about 70 feet

[2:06:37] landed on the railroad tracks there it's

[2:06:39] about six o'clock in the morning and uh

[2:06:42] that was quite the rescue it took a

[2:06:44] quite a few members of MOA Valley Fire

[2:06:46] Department myself Grant County EMS and

[2:06:49] the Sheriff's Office and also uhp to to

[2:06:52] get the uh the patient extricated from

[2:06:54] the from the truck and then back up to

[2:06:56] the to the um to the waiting ambulance

[2:06:59] so that took a couple hours actually to

[2:07:01] get for that whole thing to go down

[2:07:04] um we had three different trauma calls

[2:07:06] in early October two in the Book Cliffs

[2:07:08] far above Thompson but in Grand County

[2:07:10] and then one at Crescent Junction

[2:07:13] as far as equipment goes I'll be getting

[2:07:16] our building backup generator serviced

[2:07:19] it's due

[2:07:21] um just in time for winter here so have

[2:07:22] that ready to go to keep the heat going

[2:07:24] in case the power goes out on Thompson

[2:07:26] and then uh also kind of a big item is

[2:07:29] our jaws of life which is a crucial

[2:07:31] education tool and really needs to be

[2:07:34] replaced it's over 20 years old and so

[2:07:37] I'm trying to work that into the budget

[2:07:39] they're they're not cheap but I'm I'm

[2:07:41] trying to find the best deal and I just

[2:07:43] really need to have that out there so

[2:07:46] and then lastly I'll be attending the

[2:07:48] EMS conference and training in Provo on

[2:07:50] November 9th through 12th to help keep

[2:07:52] up my EMS training

[2:07:55] and that's it

[2:07:58] okay awesome Mark can I have to ask him

[2:08:00] a question yes please hey Mark it's

[2:08:02] Trish

[2:08:03] um I Heard Kurt talking about those

[2:08:05] rescues in the Book Cliffs do you know

[2:08:07] what area they were in and and and also

[2:08:10] on top of that you feel like we're

[2:08:12] getting more calls out in that country

[2:08:16] um I know one was in Boger Canyon Okay

[2:08:19] we both like passed the Indian

[2:08:21] reservation and the other one was I

[2:08:23] can't recall but it was still past there

[2:08:24] I was actually coming back from an

[2:08:26] airport conference when those went down

[2:08:28] so I wasn't a part of those but uh yeah

[2:08:30] this is hunting season big time up there

[2:08:32] yeah the horse trailers are going

[2:08:34] non-stop up and down so it's usually

[2:08:37] this time we'll have at least one but

[2:08:38] there's actually three in the book list

[2:08:40] that day the other one was above West

[2:08:42] water but yeah I'm definitely seeing

[2:08:44] more traffic up there

[2:08:46] um and it's very remote remote and it's

[2:08:49] hard to get to and a lot of times I have

[2:08:51] to use a helicopter to get up there so

[2:08:53] it's it's interesting and the weather's

[2:08:55] been good so when the weather gets bad

[2:08:57] it's going to be even more interesting

[2:08:58] right right okay thank you so much

[2:09:00] you're welcome

[2:09:02] yeah thank you Mark and thanks for your

[2:09:04] continued uh good workout Thompson

[2:09:07] thank you

[2:09:09] um it looks like we don't have any newer

[2:09:11] old business with Thompson

[2:09:13] um so I will adjourn the um

[2:09:17] Thompson special service

[2:09:19] fire district meeting

[2:09:21] and I will uh open the regular Grant

[2:09:24] County Commission meeting October 18th

[2:09:28] 411 with all the previously named uh

[2:09:32] Commissioners in staff present as well

[2:09:34] as I see attorney Sloan has joined us on

[2:09:37] Zoom

[2:09:39] um so we will rise to the Pledge of

[2:09:41] Allegiance

[2:09:52] one nation

[2:10:01] all right

[2:10:03] um citizens to be heard uh we'll go with

[2:10:05] any citizens in the room here who would

[2:10:07] care to come up and uh make a statement

[2:10:11] and if you're here to make a statement

[2:10:12] please come up to the table

[2:10:14] anyone like to be heard at this point

[2:10:19] looks like not in the room is there

[2:10:21] anybody on Zoom who would like to uh

[2:10:24] whose decision would like to be heard

[2:10:27] raise your hand around mute

[2:10:31] all right just look like we have anyone

[2:10:33] on Zoom either or send out one more call

[2:10:35] in the room and we will have another

[2:10:37] system to be heard at six o'clock anyone

[2:10:39] care to come up and be heard

[2:10:46] we will move on to Department reports

[2:10:51] and our first report is from uh the

[2:10:54] building department and that is Bill

[2:10:56] Holston before bill you get started come

[2:10:58] on

[2:10:59] uh we just wanted to um we just want to

[2:11:02] thank you uh very much for your untiring

[2:11:05] work during all of our recent emergency

[2:11:08] events

[2:11:10] um the floods especially in the fire

[2:11:11] before that uh you've absolutely risen

[2:11:15] to the occasion and done a superb job

[2:11:18] during these tough events and we very

[2:11:20] much appreciate it and we have a

[2:11:22] I was talking about appreciation for you

[2:11:24] here

[2:11:27] thank you very much

[2:11:37] so I am Bill Holst building official

[2:11:39] deadline administrator

[2:11:41] um we've had a pretty busy year so far

[2:11:43] construction and county is still going

[2:11:45] strong

[2:11:46] we've issued 243 permits so far this

[2:11:50] year total revenue of 250

[2:11:53] 000 give or take

[2:11:55] we are also finishing up the permits

[2:11:58] that we have started in San Juan County

[2:12:00] a few years back we had an email local

[2:12:01] agreement started with them they've had

[2:12:04] staffs they needed some help we stepped

[2:12:06] in they are fully staffed now so they

[2:12:09] will be taking that back over so they'll

[2:12:11] take a little bit of a workload off of

[2:12:12] us

[2:12:13] give us a little bit more time for Club

[2:12:15] Time stuff

[2:12:18] um next week we're having two contractor

[2:12:21] Community education classes for

[2:12:22] electricians and then we're going to

[2:12:24] have a one day 12 hour class for

[2:12:26] plumbers in November

[2:12:27] so these are the classes that they need

[2:12:29] to take to renew their licenses with the state

[2:12:34] of the state in the past we've had

[2:12:35] to partner up with the USU Moab

[2:12:38] because the state law changed we

[2:12:40] couldn't provide that education anymore

[2:12:42] but a state agency or a university could

[2:12:45] we figured USU was probably better than

[2:12:48] the ABC or contractors

[2:12:51] so we went with them this year we're

[2:12:53] going to expand a little bit we're all

[2:12:56] offering

[2:12:57] a class here live in Moab we're also

[2:12:59] offering it live in Blanding and price

[2:13:02] and then we have an online webinar

[2:13:05] that people can do it from wherever they

[2:13:07] are in the country

[2:13:11] on the floodplain side

[2:13:14] we've been a little bit busy too we've

[2:13:16] been working with Bill Jackson on a

[2:13:18] couple of foot pain grants

[2:13:20] prove its own pack great we actually had

[2:13:22] a pre-bid meeting yesterday for the nrcs

[2:13:25] grants they're going to deal with the

[2:13:26] five Crossings crossing the creek

[2:13:29] so hopefully we'll be getting started on

[2:13:31] construction around the beginning of

[2:13:33] November and wrapping up by the end of

[2:13:35] the year

[2:13:37] um we proceeded our first verification

[2:13:39] visit with the CRS which is a program in

[2:13:42] the nfip the national flood insurance

[2:13:43] program

[2:13:45] we were accepted as a class eight

[2:13:47] Community which gives our

[2:13:48] property owners that live in a special

[2:13:50] desert area a 10 discount on their flood

[2:13:52] insurance

[2:13:54] outside of it a five percent discount

[2:13:58] Jenny and Emergency Management

[2:14:01] but the Army Corps of Engineers silver

[2:14:03] jackets they're putting together a flood

[2:14:05] emergency action plan for us so we hope

[2:14:07] to have that

[2:14:10] hopefully wrapped up by the end of the

[2:14:11] year

[2:14:13] that's about it

[2:14:14] I'm sure there's a whole bunch more but

[2:14:19] just kind of Trends on building do you

[2:14:22] feel like things are kind of plateauing

[2:14:24] I mean it's far you've been around for a

[2:14:26] while I mean it

[2:14:27] didn't feel just in general

[2:14:29] um you know

[2:14:31] with covid we didn't see a Slowdown at

[2:14:33] all

[2:14:36] things are starting to

[2:14:38] go down a little bit I think it's

[2:14:40] actually spurring more construction

[2:14:41] right we have a couple big projects

[2:14:44] still coming in that

[2:14:46] haven't you should get this year I hope

[2:14:49] you get a mission by the end of the year

[2:14:51] we try to we try to keep our our budget

[2:14:55] um with the building departments we try

[2:14:57] to keep our bucket so that

[2:14:59] the services we provide to individuals

[2:15:03] with buildings are covered by their

[2:15:05] building permit fees

[2:15:08] there is some extra left over but we do

[2:15:11] a lot of Outreach programs and work for

[2:15:13] the general public so

[2:15:17] higher budget but we're gonna be pretty

[2:15:20] close

[2:15:21] so my question is similar to um Trish's

[2:15:24] you mentioned the number of building

[2:15:25] permits I'm assuming you have a

[2:15:27] statistics going back a few years for

[2:15:29] how many permits of various types it

[2:15:33] kind of hangs around that scene

[2:15:35] okay 250.

[2:15:37] um again some of them are deceiving

[2:15:40] or a motel obviously there's a whole lot

[2:15:43] more work involved but still on the

[2:15:45] council department I guess I'd just be

[2:15:47] interested in um emailing with you after

[2:15:49] the meeting just to you know get like

[2:15:51] the spreadsheet or whatever it is

[2:15:53] that'd be great thanks

[2:15:57] Mary Did Jefferson yes uh where are we

[2:16:01] on the cleanup are we completed with the

[2:16:03] cleanup at uh pack Creek Estates they

[2:16:06] mobilized this morning they started

[2:16:07] cleaning up and living this cottonwood

[2:16:09] trees

[2:16:10] um they plan on finishing up within two

[2:16:13] weeks

[2:16:14] Brandon with the fire department and I

[2:16:17] plan on going out

[2:16:19] on the first and third

[2:16:22] to do inspections we're going to be

[2:16:24] looking at

[2:16:25] homes

[2:16:28] address

[2:16:30] and we'll be looking at General cleanup

[2:16:32] yards outbuildings things like that

[2:16:36] screen on neighborhood cleanup

[2:16:39] to clean some of that stuff up and the

[2:16:41] owners have some pretty

[2:16:43] Big Ideas on

[2:16:45] wanting to keep the affordability

[2:16:48] um

[2:16:49] expand on it to do he may be looking for

[2:16:52] long-term Park

[2:16:54] a long-term kind of part I mean uh as

[2:16:56] far as the long-term rental yeah partner

[2:16:59] not not about four acres on the back

[2:17:02] side that's been bacon for years they've

[2:17:05] had overflow camping on there there's

[2:17:07] been a bunch of issues

[2:17:09] now with the Plenty Department working

[2:17:11] on the new

[2:17:13] falling overlay separate

[2:17:17] they're they're reaching out to planning

[2:17:19] and zoning and talking about

[2:17:21] that

[2:17:26] short-term rental Camp Park and it'd be

[2:17:29] a long-term rental Camp Park

[2:17:33] yeah so they're working with playing and

[2:17:35] something I know that's not yeah

[2:17:37] and the lady that owned it that came and

[2:17:40] thanked us she lives out of town yes

[2:17:43] she's in Connecticut her partner is here

[2:17:45] and

[2:17:49] I know that was really tough and thank

[2:17:52] you for all the work you did that was a

[2:17:54] hard one yeah

[2:17:56] it tough going out and talking to those

[2:17:59] people that just lost everything

[2:18:02] there's still rules that need to be

[2:18:04] followed when we're recovering and

[2:18:05] putting stuff back together

[2:18:09] and I know they haven't always we

[2:18:11] haven't always dealt with really polite

[2:18:13] people and it's been

[2:18:15] you don't get paid enough for them the

[2:18:18] building inspector so I'm quite used to

[2:18:20] that

[2:18:23] all right anyone else have anything for

[2:18:25] Bill Evan yeah I I know you've been

[2:18:28] dealing with a lot more pressing stuff

[2:18:30] and and uh to a degree much more

[2:18:32] important but I was just while you were

[2:18:34] here I was curious if off the top of

[2:18:35] your head you knew how many of the uh

[2:18:39] approved Hotel permits that haven't

[2:18:41] Broken Ground are still coming down the

[2:18:43] pipe

[2:18:47] the Country Industries and they've been

[2:18:50] at it for a while

[2:18:53] um I think they initially submitted in

[2:18:55] 2018 2019 uh

[2:18:58] and have gone through a bunch of

[2:19:00] Renditions with site plan and the

[2:19:03] building plans have been approved since

[2:19:04] 2019.

[2:19:07] we've actually had to build through

[2:19:09] because we've had a code update and

[2:19:10] three reviews

[2:19:15] thanks

[2:19:18] yeah

[2:19:23] only because we had so many questions

[2:19:25] thank you very much yeah that's why we

[2:19:28] like it

[2:19:30] all right next up we have another

[2:19:32] department report Economic Development

[2:19:34] with uh August granite and I think I saw

[2:19:36] August on Zoom there he is

[2:19:38] are you in arches

[2:19:41] you know Live From The Scene doing my

[2:19:45] job talking to visitors taking a break

[2:19:47] from interp

[2:19:53] erson

[2:19:53] it's just that's just my uh back country

[2:19:56] ski brain wishfully thinking

[2:19:59] and and hopefully that Evan doesn't have

[2:20:01] to you know be involved in getting me

[2:20:03] out of there next time but

[2:20:06] um we could talk about that another time

[2:20:08] okay I'm gonna share my screen

[2:20:14] can you see my screen

[2:20:18] all right

[2:20:19] um I tried to make this quick and I

[2:20:21] ended up with 60 slides so you know I'm

[2:20:25] gonna try to go as quick as I can but as

[2:20:28] you all know there's a lot going on in

[2:20:29] my world and I'm gonna try to touch on

[2:20:31] as much as what we've done in the last

[2:20:33] year or so

[2:20:35] um and feel free to cut me off or tell

[2:20:36] me to go faster

[2:20:38] Etc so I'm going to jump right into it

[2:20:41] um one thing I'm not going to touch on

[2:20:43] in this presentation is all the special

[2:20:44] event work that Rachel has done in our

[2:20:46] office uh you just spent a lovely two

[2:20:48] hours with her and Angie going diving

[2:20:51] deep I think you all know how much work

[2:20:53] has gone into reforming that process

[2:20:56] um so just know that even though it's

[2:20:58] not in this presentation uh Rachel is

[2:21:01] doing a great job

[2:21:02] and is an essential part of the office

[2:21:06] um okay so what goes on in this building

[2:21:07] that no one knows what it is except for

[2:21:09] those who knows what it is on

[2:21:12] first of all just a quick plug we're

[2:21:15] doing a lot of training professional

[2:21:16] development

[2:21:18] um I did a management Leadership Academy

[2:21:19] this year to try to turn myself into a

[2:21:22] leader and manager

[2:21:24] um all of us including myself did a

[2:21:26] science lab science certification

[2:21:27] training and soil Crest geology and

[2:21:29] ecology Melissa got an MBA

[2:21:32] um and Biga got a certified

[2:21:35] um as a commissioner film commissioner

[2:21:38] under the association of film

[2:21:39] Commissioners International

[2:21:41] um but what do we do what what goes on

[2:21:43] in that building what goes on in my

[2:21:44] brain uh it typically is kind of an

[2:21:48] insane jumble of all of the above

[2:21:51] um I'm gonna try to tease out

[2:21:53] um a clearer narrative

[2:21:55] um than this

[2:21:57] so first we have some visitor economy

[2:21:59] programs

[2:22:01] um so that includes we're going to start

[2:22:04] with visitor education so with the

[2:22:05] biggest one this year was The Arches

[2:22:07] timed entry visitor education campaign

[2:22:09] we have a newly released biocrest video

[2:22:11] that I'll play a little bit of

[2:22:13] um we launched a human waste management

[2:22:15] website in partnership with the Solid

[2:22:19] Waste Service Special Service District

[2:22:23] um and and uh gcat and as well as some

[2:22:26] noise related

[2:22:28] um educational materials

[2:22:29] so for the timed entry campaign

[2:22:32] um we were we ended up really being an

[2:22:34] essential part of some collaboration

[2:22:36] between the National Park Service the

[2:22:37] Utah office of Tourism the Utah's public

[2:22:40] lands policy coordinating office the

[2:22:42] Utah tourism industry Association USU

[2:22:44] the Chamber of Commerce and the

[2:22:46] Canyonlands Natural History Association

[2:22:47] all with the joint mission of

[2:22:50] um you know how do we mitigate visitor

[2:22:53] confusion and misperception issues

[2:22:55] around this new change and ensure that

[2:22:57] visitors have a seamless trip window

[2:22:59] here and that they book trips um

[2:23:01] regardless of the change

[2:23:03] the information center hosted NPS

[2:23:05] Rangers to facilitate use of rep.gov

[2:23:07] reservations

[2:23:09] UDOT you didn't make it on the previous

[2:23:10] slide provided roadside variable

[2:23:12] messaging signs and our department

[2:23:14] distributed just under 10 000 rack cards

[2:23:17] um and a little over 5 000 Outdoor

[2:23:19] Adventure guides about 105 businesses to

[2:23:22] ensure that any place that a visitor had

[2:23:25] a question are our front desk Warriors

[2:23:28] out there were able to provide the

[2:23:31] relevant information

[2:23:32] we also designed and placed ads in

[2:23:34] traditional Media

[2:23:36] newspapers magazines Etc we updated the

[2:23:40] downtown locator boards to make sure

[2:23:41] that that information was available for

[2:23:43] those just walking down Main Street we

[2:23:45] designed a wall-sized poster for

[2:23:47] Canyonlands Regional Airport and

[2:23:48] answered thousands of visitor emails and

[2:23:50] phone calls basically we tried to do an

[2:23:52] all-out front to make sure that any

[2:23:54] person who'd looked up any information

[2:23:55] or visited the town whatsoever would

[2:23:57] know about the program

[2:24:00] um here's just an example here's Robert

[2:24:01] doing good things he designed this ad

[2:24:04] ended up in one of the um uh traditional

[2:24:07] media Outlets

[2:24:08] and Melissa and Robert were instrumental

[2:24:10] Distributing those

[2:24:13] um rack cards and Outdoor Adventure

[2:24:15] guides throughout the community they

[2:24:16] went out several times a week and made

[2:24:17] really good connections

[2:24:19] um

[2:24:20] that was a really good part of this

[2:24:22] whole experience

[2:24:23] so the biggest piece

[2:24:26] um of this campaign was a 200 000

[2:24:28] digital paid media campaign so we

[2:24:32] targeted

[2:24:33] um

[2:24:34] TripAdvisor YouTube social media

[2:24:37] um Instagram Facebook Etc and paid

[2:24:39] search so you know Google AdWords

[2:24:42] in order to make to Target those who are

[2:24:45] interested in visiting Moab

[2:24:47] um and ensure that they got the

[2:24:48] information that they needed about timed

[2:24:50] entry so that they didn't have the wrong

[2:24:52] information

[2:24:53] that campaign delivered 12 million

[2:24:55] impressions across all platforms 200 000

[2:24:58] page visits to discovermolab.com 150

[2:25:02] 000 unique visitors

[2:25:04] um with an average visit time of four

[2:25:06] minutes which is very much above

[2:25:08] industry standard

[2:25:10] um

[2:25:11] on TripAdvisor those that were exposed

[2:25:14] to the ads that we put out there about

[2:25:16] hey there's a timed entry campaign

[2:25:18] please go get your reservation they

[2:25:20] checked out 30 more points of interest

[2:25:22] in the Moab area compared to non-ad

[2:25:24] exposed users they checked out 60 more

[2:25:26] pages of mob information than

[2:25:28] non-exposed users same for accommodation

[2:25:31] attraction and restaurant Pages

[2:25:34] um and they booked 60 more than non-add

[2:25:37] exposed users on TripAdvisor so so my

[2:25:40] takeaway there and this is what love

[2:25:42] agrees with that if exposed to accurate

[2:25:44] information visitors planned accordingly

[2:25:46] and booked a trip to Moab despite a

[2:25:49] potential friction point with this new

[2:25:50] timed entry system

[2:25:52] however if you look at the numbers and

[2:25:54] you compare the data we have for the

[2:25:56] time entry system from 21 to 22 I'll be

[2:26:00] at 21 being a bit of a sugar high year

[2:26:02] we just don't have good 2019 data for

[2:26:04] this reference point total spend in the

[2:26:07] Moab area was down five percent for

[2:26:09] those that time period gas up 18 I don't

[2:26:12] think that's a surprise to anybody

[2:26:13] grocery spend was down 12 restaurant

[2:26:16] span was down 16. lodging spend was down

[2:26:18] 25. we're looking forward to hearing

[2:26:21] what The NPS has

[2:26:23] um with their visitor direct intercept

[2:26:25] information about quality of experience

[2:26:27] what they're seeing now the the

[2:26:30] pilot is over what's happening in

[2:26:32] October they're turning people away on a

[2:26:34] daily basis

[2:26:35] um so those numbers from the Visa or

[2:26:38] MasterCard

[2:26:40] just Visa

[2:26:41] so that represents about 60 of the

[2:26:43] market

[2:26:45] okay

[2:26:48] so it's down from uh 2021 but we don't

[2:26:52] have uh information on uh 2019 is that

[2:26:55] what you said that's correct

[2:26:58] we're looking for we're trying to we're

[2:27:00] trying to work with visa to get that

[2:27:01] data but we don't have it you just got

[2:27:04] it we literally just got in August

[2:27:07] like you just got the email right now

[2:27:10] yesterday

[2:27:12] all right well I Ben will send you an

[2:27:15] update on these numbers at a later date

[2:27:17] okay that thank you van I'd like to see

[2:27:20] that

[2:27:23] um

[2:27:24] you know sorry we can't turn this around

[2:27:26] in in 24 hours apologize

[2:27:29] um let's take a look at this uh I'm

[2:27:32] gonna see if I can share

[2:27:34] I should be able to

[2:27:38] share my

[2:27:40] give me one second

[2:27:41] I should be able to share my audio here

[2:27:46] it might not let me

[2:27:49] well I'll just show you a little bit of

[2:27:50] the visual

[2:27:52] um we worked with Mark Finley who we've

[2:27:54] done a lot of video production work with

[2:27:56] um who he partnered with science Moab

[2:27:58] and other Dryland ecologists put

[2:28:01] together on this really quite amazing

[2:28:04] um video that highlights bio crust and

[2:28:08] best practices and

[2:28:10] he's got a new

[2:28:12] um macro lens

[2:28:14] um that gets really high quality up

[2:28:16] close

[2:28:17] content as you can see here

[2:28:20] um so this is fully scientifically

[2:28:21] accurate

[2:28:23] um and you know it kind of the quality

[2:28:26] to me feels like a Discovery Channel

[2:28:28] piece

[2:28:29] um

[2:28:30] so

[2:28:31] this is published this is live on our

[2:28:33] website

[2:28:34] um we haven't necessarily built out a

[2:28:37] distribution strategy on this piece but

[2:28:39] we think that this is going to be a

[2:28:41] really important part of our

[2:28:43] um you know visitor education campaigns

[2:28:46] of the future we're imagining

[2:28:48] um

[2:28:49] a future web platform that you know we

[2:28:52] drive our visitors to using paid media

[2:28:55] um to kind of go through the Moab

[2:28:56] Steward or whatever you call it

[2:28:58] education campaign much like the

[2:29:00] backcountry skiing Avalanche education

[2:29:02] campaign kind of like you've got to do

[2:29:04] this before you recreate in Moab

[2:29:07] um and then shoot some really good

[2:29:08] emotionally engaging content

[2:29:11] um to get people to buy in and and see

[2:29:13] that there is a need for an ethic when

[2:29:15] you're visiting the area and then lower

[2:29:17] in the funnel these kinds of detailed

[2:29:19] videos

[2:29:20] um we're also going to continue to work

[2:29:21] with gcat to do

[2:29:24] um that kind of content with our local

[2:29:25] businesses and residents

[2:29:27] um probably first before we go after

[2:29:29] visitors

[2:29:30] but please check this out when you got

[2:29:32] some time it's it's really rad

[2:29:37] uh okay let's pause here

[2:29:40] another piece of visitor Education

[2:29:43] website or where do we find

[2:29:46] that I believe it is on the on the

[2:29:48] Discover Moab website on the main page

[2:29:50] there's a what's new section on the left

[2:29:53] if you click that up there should be the

[2:29:55] new biocrest video linked there

[2:29:58] it's also on the Discover mob YouTube

[2:29:59] page

[2:30:02] um one of the things that was really

[2:30:03] exciting this year you know there's been

[2:30:05] a lot of talk about wag bags as the kind

[2:30:07] of durger way to to manage human waste

[2:30:12] in the backcountry in this area

[2:30:14] um it was all over the paper is what

[2:30:15] happens when that meets Municipal Waste

[2:30:19] Disposal Systems

[2:30:21] um and so in an effort to ensure that

[2:30:23] safety workers are being taken care of

[2:30:25] and we're able to protect the

[2:30:27] backcountry as well we partnered with

[2:30:29] the canyonland solid waste Special

[2:30:31] Service District to put together a

[2:30:34] handful of

[2:30:36] um

[2:30:37] they they put together the system I

[2:30:40] should be totally clear about that we

[2:30:41] just put together a page on our website

[2:30:43] and worked with gcat to try to implement

[2:30:45] some uh some news press releases what's

[2:30:48] that what not but if you go to

[2:30:50] discover.discover moab.com slash poop

[2:30:53] you'll find this page that will link you

[2:30:55] uh to where you can drop it off so you

[2:30:58] can drop it off right now to Lions Park

[2:31:02] um the wastewater treatment facility the

[2:31:04] health department and the canland solid

[2:31:08] waste facility

[2:31:10] I found this useful recently because I

[2:31:12] forgot where they were and checked it

[2:31:14] out myself so

[2:31:15] it worked they're still there

[2:31:19] so how much those have been used

[2:31:22] well I would have a sense of when I open

[2:31:25] when I deposited one into the Health

[2:31:29] Department's bin

[2:31:31] uh the other day it was about half full

[2:31:33] and that was on a Sunday

[2:31:36] so dragging around a black bag August I

[2:31:39] don't never mind

[2:31:41] listen that was that was um that was a

[2:31:44] pretty prompt

[2:31:45] I was pretty prompt so I'll say that

[2:31:51] um okay there's been much conversation

[2:31:53] about updating the Billboards

[2:31:55] um to kind of have this

[2:31:57] uh you know please respect our

[2:31:59] neighborhoods when you're visiting the

[2:32:00] community your adventure starts and then

[2:32:02] um kind of targeting uh motorized

[2:32:05] vehicle traffic trying to get to

[2:32:07] trailheads through neighborhoods

[2:32:09] um we're working with an artist

[2:32:11] um to kind of

[2:32:12] make some modifications based off of

[2:32:14] Maddie's sketch that we presented months

[2:32:16] ago

[2:32:17] um and uh once we have some kind of

[2:32:21] sketches we'll have a meeting to get

[2:32:23] some input on them

[2:32:24] um one of the item agendas today is

[2:32:27] renewing our contract not for this

[2:32:29] billboard but the billboard south of

[2:32:31] town

[2:32:32] um just a heads up that we are actively

[2:32:35] trying to update those what's on those

[2:32:37] Billboards at the moment

[2:32:41] any questions on visitor education

[2:32:43] before I move to visitor services

[2:32:48] okay I'm gonna keep rolling

[2:32:51] so visitor Services captures a lot of

[2:32:54] the work that we do

[2:32:55] um to answer questions to provide

[2:32:57] information to ensure that folks have

[2:32:59] the best experience possible and get the

[2:33:01] best information possible so we produce

[2:33:05] Travel Planners we ship them all around

[2:33:06] the world

[2:33:08] um we make outdoor visitor guides for

[2:33:13] um you know once you're in town it has

[2:33:15] all of the trails that are basically not

[2:33:16] in the national park so it's kind of a

[2:33:18] dispersal effort as well

[2:33:21] um and that's why we gave it out to

[2:33:22] folks during timed entry because it had

[2:33:24] non-park information Recreation

[2:33:27] information we have a leads program that

[2:33:29] distributes

[2:33:30] that businesses can subscribe to and

[2:33:33] basically purchase

[2:33:35] um the the visitor information for those

[2:33:38] who have signed up for the channel

[2:33:39] Travel Planners and have opted in to uh

[2:33:42] basically receiving marketing

[2:33:43] information it's a very cost effective

[2:33:46] way for our local businesses to take

[2:33:47] advantage of our marketing efforts and

[2:33:49] the leads that they produce

[2:33:51] it's low cost it's not free and that

[2:33:53] prevents too many like unlimited people

[2:33:56] using it and and then ultimately

[2:33:58] visitors getting like spammed in their

[2:34:00] inbox

[2:34:01] obviously discover my website we

[2:34:02] continue to maintain and operate and

[2:34:04] update

[2:34:06] um and then Billboards besides those

[2:34:07] ones in town also along the highway

[2:34:10] um on 191 and 70. as well as answering

[2:34:13] questions on the phone email and chat

[2:34:16] a couple highlights

[2:34:18] um showing off our lovely staff Robert

[2:34:20] and Melissa

[2:34:22] um we just updated and printed 75 000

[2:34:24] copies of the mob outdoor adventure

[2:34:26] Guide which will last us through next

[2:34:27] year we distributed 12 000 Travel

[2:34:29] Planners to Residents in all 50 U.S

[2:34:32] states with California and Texas being

[2:34:34] the leading requesting area as well as

[2:34:37] Canada UK Germany France Italy Australia

[2:34:39] Belgium Switzerland and Denmark

[2:34:42] um the travel planner basically says

[2:34:44] what is going on in Moab and what you

[2:34:46] can do while you're here it's an

[2:34:48] inspiration kind of piece

[2:34:51] um as I mentioned before that leads

[2:34:52] program

[2:34:54] um is subscribed to by 20 businesses

[2:34:57] and continues to grow answer thousands

[2:35:00] of phone calls we answer the phone

[2:35:01] through the mob information center

[2:35:03] um

[2:35:04] and as well as direct chat messages and

[2:35:06] emails from our website

[2:35:08] continue to work on discovermob.com

[2:35:11] which has received up to 3 million

[2:35:13] visitors in a year we're down from that

[2:35:15] that's a 2019 High

[2:35:19] um I mentioned the the online content

[2:35:22] one one thing significant that happened

[2:35:24] this year was

[2:35:26] um damage that happened to the I-70

[2:35:27] billboard which Robert LED on the repair

[2:35:29] and Improvement of

[2:35:32] um it looked like this at one point

[2:35:35] um some big windstorms this spring you

[2:35:37] know you saw all the way back to some

[2:35:39] ancient advertising

[2:35:41] um on that billboard here so fix that I

[2:35:45] don't have an after photo but I'm sure

[2:35:46] you've seen it on the highway

[2:35:49] um

[2:35:50] visitor attraction

[2:35:52] is the next piece

[2:35:53] um I kind of want to use this term

[2:35:54] instead of marketing because there's so

[2:35:56] many different ways that you can attract

[2:35:58] visitors especially the ones that um

[2:36:01] uh we feel our quality visitors to the

[2:36:03] community

[2:36:04] so I'm going to mention the drive Market

[2:36:05] campaign and the Fly Market campaign

[2:36:07] that we've been working on a lot this

[2:36:08] fall

[2:36:10] um as well as just a quick overview of

[2:36:12] the creative for anybody who hasn't seen

[2:36:14] it yet

[2:36:15] some travel trade work that Melissa has

[2:36:17] done as well as International Market

[2:36:19] development and some Fan Tours

[2:36:22] so the drive Market campaign is

[2:36:25] officially in Market as you can see over

[2:36:27] here October 17th is the launch date

[2:36:29] that was yesterday

[2:36:32] um so you know we've gone through a

[2:36:34] process

[2:36:35] um that we feel has been fairly

[2:36:36] transparent with the commission and our

[2:36:38] boards um to ensure that the creative

[2:36:40] really fits the new direction that we

[2:36:43] want it to go towards even though we

[2:36:45] haven't gone through a new branding

[2:36:46] process or a whole

[2:36:49] uh you know new process

[2:36:51] um

[2:36:52] let's see if this will load

[2:36:54] I'm just going to skim through this for

[2:36:56] those who haven't seen it

[2:36:58] pardon my tabs

[2:37:05] can everybody see the presentation here

[2:37:10] yep okay so this is from love

[2:37:11] Communications

[2:37:14] um I'm just going to quickly scan to

[2:37:16] some of the highlights here the

[2:37:18] objectives here really were to increase visitation to Moab among

[2:37:21] responsible and conscientious Travelers

[2:37:23] inspire a sense of curiosity among

[2:37:25] visitors and desire to learn more about

[2:37:27] mobs ecology history and culture and to

[2:37:30] encourage off-season travel which

[2:37:31] benefits local stakeholders and also

[2:37:32] improves The Traveler experience

[2:37:35] um so I'm gonna I guess I guess this is

[2:37:37] an important part too really should

[2:37:38] include imagery and language that evokes

[2:37:41] love and admiration for the land and a

[2:37:43] nod to moab's Natural historical and

[2:37:44] cultural resources and portrayal of the

[2:37:46] landscape is a National Treasure rather

[2:37:48] than a playground

[2:37:50] so if we look there's kind of three main

[2:37:54] sub pieces here so there's the Nature's

[2:37:57] Masterpiece

[2:37:58] um copy reading you know Moab for famous

[2:38:01] landmarks national parks which you might

[2:38:03] not know is how much is still waiting to

[2:38:05] be discovered if you're willing to

[2:38:06] broaden your horizons on your next trip

[2:38:08] make time to seek out destinations

[2:38:09] experiences beyond your usual go-to's

[2:38:11] you might have found in a new place or

[2:38:12] an entirely New Perspective learn how to

[2:38:14] visit responsibly at discoverlive.com

[2:38:17] same idea

[2:38:19] then this desert Treasures piece that

[2:38:21] kind of is a kind of a different take

[2:38:23] not this Outdoor Adventure piece but

[2:38:25] more of what are our cultural and

[2:38:26] historical resources this is uh The

[2:38:29] Grotto from the Music Fest

[2:38:32] if you think mob is a place to

[2:38:33] recuperate between adrenaline rushes

[2:38:34] think again with a variety of museums

[2:38:36] Galleries and theaters plus arts and

[2:38:38] music festivals happening almost year

[2:38:39] round we've never we're never short on

[2:38:41] inspiration for Modern Art and Cuisine

[2:38:43] to ancient history and culture it'll be

[2:38:45] amazing you'll be amazed at what's

[2:38:46] waiting to be discovered

[2:38:49] different treatments

[2:38:51] and then lastly was this place for

[2:38:53] reflection

[2:38:54] um

[2:38:57] uh

[2:38:58] so you know this is focused on we talked

[2:39:01] a lot about things like ephemeral we

[2:39:03] call it ephemeral pothole ecology and

[2:39:05] bio crust and these other things that

[2:39:07] are you know uh kind of leading with a

[2:39:10] like an invitation of curiosity if you

[2:39:12] come with curiosity then you're going to

[2:39:14] learn more about your experience here

[2:39:15] and you're probably going to be more

[2:39:17] respectful along the way

[2:39:19] um even in the most this unassuming

[2:39:20] little desert pothole is home to a whole

[2:39:22] host of creatures each is unique and

[2:39:23] beautiful as a landscape that surrounds

[2:39:25] them next time when you're in Moab take

[2:39:27] a moment to pause your adventures and

[2:39:28] Ponder the intricacies of the ecosystem

[2:39:30] that so many people Miss there's always

[2:39:31] more to discover if you look a little

[2:39:33] closer learn how to visit responsibly at

[2:39:35] discovermodab.com

[2:39:38] um

[2:39:39] same treatments on billboards

[2:39:42] I like these ones this they've got the

[2:39:44] little fairy shrimp here

[2:39:46] um kind of a surprise not something that

[2:39:48] we're known for by the average person

[2:39:50] but kind of asking a different kind of

[2:39:52] curiosity some indigenous cultural

[2:39:54] resources here done on potash Road

[2:39:59] um the social media is really where some

[2:40:01] of the the more explicit um kind of

[2:40:04] responsible Recreation tasks come in

[2:40:07] um I really like this piece even the

[2:40:10] most unassuming desert potholes or home

[2:40:11] to creatures as unique as our landscape

[2:40:12] the deserts and the details is it

[2:40:15] responsibly

[2:40:17] um most people it just looks like dirt

[2:40:19] to the desert it's a critical part about

[2:40:20] the ecosystem don't bust the crust

[2:40:22] um so we've asked them to expand this

[2:40:24] type of social media posts that are more

[2:40:26] kind of call to action oriented about a

[2:40:28] specific piece you know and then this

[2:40:30] will link to the new video that we've

[2:40:31] created

[2:40:33] same idea here desert biocrest can take

[2:40:36] hundreds of years to recover from even a

[2:40:37] single footprint or tire track see on

[2:40:39] the trail

[2:40:41] um

[2:40:44] I'm not going to spend too much time on

[2:40:46] this this is what it looks like on the

[2:40:47] web

[2:40:50] TripAdvisor

[2:40:52] and then they did a video piece

[2:40:54] um

[2:40:58] okay that's that's that

[2:41:01] um

[2:41:01] let's see any questions

[2:41:04] on

[2:41:06] the creative or the marketing that we're

[2:41:09] launching right now for the drives

[2:41:11] campaign at the moment I think we've

[2:41:13] talked about this a lot so far this fall

[2:41:16] yeah thanks August it looks good and

[2:41:18] that's a very thorough presentation

[2:41:21] okay

[2:41:22] I'm Gonna Keep crushing and try to not

[2:41:24] take too much time here we've got the

[2:41:26] fly Campaign which is also approved

[2:41:28] um it's going to start this fall and run

[2:41:30] through the spring

[2:41:32] so from the budget perspective how much

[2:41:35] do you predict how much longer do you

[2:41:37] think you have like out of the 60 slides

[2:41:39] how many have you done

[2:41:40] good question let's see we're at 36. 20.

[2:41:45] it's been 20 minutes so far

[2:41:48] okay you don't have to do every slide or

[2:41:50] there's maybe special important ones

[2:41:52] okay I'll go really fast you ready

[2:41:54] Melissa did a lot of travel trade shows

[2:41:58] you can cut me off

[2:42:03] um maybe yeah

[2:42:05] it highlights maybe and you could you

[2:42:06] could always email us the presentation

[2:42:07] yeah it'd be great okay I'm gonna go

[2:42:10] really fast

[2:42:11] Melissa visited a lot of travel shows he

[2:42:13] went to seven um National and five

[2:42:15] international trade shows in 2022. uh we

[2:42:18] went up to tourism down the hill doing a

[2:42:20] lot of relationship building with the

[2:42:22] state

[2:42:24] um basically Melissa's doing a good job

[2:42:26] I'm not going to go too much we did a

[2:42:28] campaign internationally and a co-op

[2:42:30] with a bunch of other National Park dmos

[2:42:32] Germany in terms of film because doing a

[2:42:36] great job with the Costner movie and

[2:42:38] several other things in the area to help

[2:42:40] get that real film incentive to to go

[2:42:43] forward on doing community events free

[2:42:46] movie in the in the in in the Parks she

[2:42:49] got her uh certified film commissioner

[2:42:51] status

[2:42:52] under the wild weird wacky westerns

[2:42:55] movie

[2:42:56] um

[2:42:57] fun little piece of here we got we got

[2:43:00] Costner

[2:43:01] um Business Services Ben's done an

[2:43:03] amazing job you know what he's done I'll

[2:43:05] skip through this the Canyonlands

[2:43:07] business Summit

[2:43:08] um sorry Ben we got 30 businesses public

[2:43:12] agencies and non-profits across both

[2:43:14] counties and 150 attendees

[2:43:17] um it was really great we're going to do

[2:43:19] it again in some form in February and we

[2:43:22] had 20 or so sponsors raising a little

[2:43:25] under 10 grand

[2:43:26] uh this is what people wanted

[2:43:29] lots of good information

[2:43:33] um I'm gonna skip ahead of this because

[2:43:34] I think grants is more interesting but

[2:43:35] basically we have some good information

[2:43:37] we're going to keep the business Summit

[2:43:38] rolling in the future and it'll be a

[2:43:40] good opportunity to share what we're

[2:43:41] doing as an office

[2:43:43] it was a good time

[2:43:45] um tourism Grant we awarded 30 grand on

[2:43:49] out of 50 Grand eight applicants

[2:43:53] seven awardees

[2:43:55] uh these were the awardees

[2:43:58] the start business grant about a million

[2:44:00] dollars in uh funding 49 applicants a

[2:44:04] little under 3 million requests

[2:44:06] um

[2:44:09] your awardee projects

[2:44:13] 14 proposed construction and

[2:44:14] infrastructure modification six Pro

[2:44:16] Sports Workforce housing help propose a

[2:44:18] new hire 28 proposed local operation

[2:44:21] great numbers from Ben

[2:44:23] um we will be on awarding well the

[2:44:27] commission will be considering awarding

[2:44:29] the first round of those awards today

[2:44:32] in terms of the flood relief grants we

[2:44:35] have process we uh can't hear you August

[2:44:37] oh last year

[2:44:40] how about now

[2:44:43] can you hear me now

[2:44:46] how about now

[2:44:49] you're at home August but not there I

[2:44:52] guess oh you think they froze

[2:44:54] yeah I think there's something going on

[2:44:56] in the commission room okay noodle

[2:44:59] thanks Ben

[2:45:32] foreign

[2:45:54] but

[2:46:54] foreign

[2:47:34] I'm sure you're getting the same message

[2:47:36] as August but I'm being told internet's

[2:47:39] totally down in the chambers

[2:47:41] I can see him now

[2:47:43] okay done

[2:47:59] 20 years

[2:48:13] and you hear me I can hear you now

[2:48:23] can you see my screen still yes we can

[2:48:26] still see yours screen all right I'm

[2:48:29] just gonna keep cranking then

[2:48:35] should I continue

[2:48:42] so just last couple programs here

[2:48:45] um the flood relief grant program we

[2:48:47] received 29 applications for requests

[2:48:49] totaling about a little under four

[2:48:50] hundred thousand dollars for total

[2:48:52] claims damage is over two million

[2:48:54] dollars

[2:48:56] um awarded 24 for a total of two hundred

[2:48:59] and thirteen thousand three hundred

[2:49:00] thirty one dollars five Max rewards for

[2:49:02] 20 grand these are the folks that were

[2:49:05] awarded

[2:49:07] um and then the special event Grant was

[2:49:08] awarded this year

[2:49:10] um to The Folk Festival for last and

[2:49:12] this year the free concert series this

[2:49:13] year the endurance Canyon ride and the

[2:49:15] powwow

[2:49:16] and I think that's it

[2:49:18] all right awesome thanks August sorry

[2:49:22] about the interruption any quick

[2:49:23] questions for August

[2:49:25] would you email us the presentation

[2:49:28] sure certainly yeah that'd be great

[2:49:30] thank you

[2:49:31] uh thanks for your patience y'all it's

[2:49:34] hard to fit everything into

[2:49:36] 15 minutes you're doing a ton of good

[2:49:38] work man thank you hey

[2:49:40] all right see you in a minute

[2:49:43] we will move on to our presentations and

[2:49:46] our first presentation will be our audit

[2:49:48] presentation with John hatterly from

[2:49:50] Larson and Cove

[2:49:56] John okay if you know oh you're John

[2:49:58] yeah

[2:50:00] please thanks John

[2:50:19] no

[2:50:20] we've got the coffee too okay

[2:50:24] it just came out it just came up on

[2:50:26] email

[2:50:29] um

[2:50:30] so sorry we're going to pull that up

[2:50:31] I'll start with the auto report so

[2:50:33] that's the big copy

[2:50:35] I love that you can see how big it is

[2:50:41] okay or if you'd like to stand there's

[2:50:44] the uh yeah I can see it it's all right

[2:50:47] I've just been sitting all day today

[2:50:50] um

[2:50:51] so you'll you'll notice that the auto

[2:50:53] reports changed for last year it's not

[2:50:55] because you changed Auditors like the

[2:50:56] audit report actually changed Nationwide

[2:51:00] um now they've kind of restructured

[2:51:02] things they've added some things that

[2:51:04] were required to communicate as part of

[2:51:05] the auto report which uh just I'll just

[2:51:07] go over those real quick the first

[2:51:09] section is now the opinion

[2:51:10] um the opinion used to fall later on in

[2:51:13] the report but everybody wanted to know the opinion first

[2:51:17] um the opinion on the financial

[2:51:18] statements this year is an unmodified or

[2:51:21] uh unqualified opinion that's a clean

[2:51:24] opinion in my world

[2:51:26] um

[2:51:27] last year you had a qualified opinion

[2:51:30] um and that was due to some of the

[2:51:32] component units

[2:51:34] um because they weren't tested uh but I

[2:51:36] had my team actually test some of their

[2:51:39] balances at those component units so

[2:51:42] that we could get comfortable with those

[2:51:43] balances so then we we didn't have to

[2:51:45] qualify your opinion so we did a few

[2:51:47] extra procedures in order to get rid of

[2:51:49] your qualified opinion

[2:51:52] um

[2:51:53] so clean opinion our basis for opinions

[2:51:57] so we follow certain standards and those

[2:52:00] are the general generally accepted

[2:52:03] auditing standards as well as gaap which

[2:52:06] is accounting principles and government

[2:52:09] auditing standards so those are kind of

[2:52:11] the guidelines that we have to follow

[2:52:13] there's a lot of things that we do

[2:52:15] behind the scenes besides just looking

[2:52:17] at your financial statements a lot of

[2:52:19] documents that we have to fill out as

[2:52:20] part of the audit

[2:52:22] um

[2:52:23] you can see there that we didn't audit

[2:52:26] um the Canyonlands

[2:52:28] um Grand County Recreation solid way

[2:52:30] Special Service District and the EMS

[2:52:32] those were actually audited by other

[2:52:34] Auditors and we just get there on a

[2:52:37] report and in our opinion kind of relies

[2:52:39] on their opinion as far as those

[2:52:41] entities go but the other ones that

[2:52:43] typically don't receive an audit

[2:52:46] um that is the reason why you got a

[2:52:48] qualified opinion last year are the ones

[2:52:50] that we actually did procedures on and

[2:52:52] we just so we just did that as part of

[2:52:54] the financial statement for the county

[2:52:57] um your responsibility for the financial

[2:52:59] statements

[2:53:01] um really is to know and understand

[2:53:02] accounting principles know how to put

[2:53:06] together a set of financial statements

[2:53:07] know how to know how to record the

[2:53:08] transactions in the books

[2:53:10] um our job is to audit those

[2:53:13] transactions

[2:53:15] um

[2:53:16] one of the new things that we're

[2:53:17] required to communicate to you this year

[2:53:20] is if well putting together your

[2:53:23] financial statements or reviewing

[2:53:25] transactions during the year if issues

[2:53:28] come up where there's a question about

[2:53:30] your ability to continue as a going

[2:53:32] concern within the next year you're

[2:53:35] required to do an analysis on what's the

[2:53:39] issue is it an overcomeable issue how

[2:53:41] are we going to overcome it and then

[2:53:43] form a game plan

[2:53:44] for example if something happened

[2:53:47] everybody loses their jobs nobody wants

[2:53:48] to pay their property tax that's a huge

[2:53:50] source of revenue for the county if you

[2:53:52] don't have that can you overcome that

[2:53:55] and continue to operate as a county

[2:53:57] paying all the expenditures that you're

[2:53:58] required to pay or do you have to come

[2:54:00] out go out and get some other you know

[2:54:03] funding to be able to cover that so

[2:54:04] that's the analysis that you have to do

[2:54:06] internally

[2:54:08] um our responsibility like I said is

[2:54:10] we're required to

[2:54:12] audit your financial statements

[2:54:15] um we look for material misstatements

[2:54:17] within the financial statements and all

[2:54:19] of our audits are risk-based so we

[2:54:21] identify risks that are contained in the

[2:54:24] financial statements and we'll talk a

[2:54:26] little bit about those

[2:54:28] um

[2:54:30] we also look at your internal control

[2:54:33] um on the next page this is a is also a

[2:54:36] new section of the auto report so you

[2:54:38] can see the bullet points there uh this

[2:54:40] is these are I've always been part of

[2:54:42] our engagements but now we're required

[2:54:44] to report on them in the auto report the

[2:54:47] first is we just have to exercise

[2:54:48] professional judgment and professional

[2:54:51] skepticism we're not coming in accusing

[2:54:54] you of doing anything wrong my opinion

[2:54:56] is most people in the world want to do

[2:54:57] what's right and they try to do what's

[2:54:59] right and they try to do a good job but

[2:55:01] we have to trust but verify so you know

[2:55:04] our audit is not to come in accusatory

[2:55:07] we want to help you guys get better we

[2:55:08] want to help you you know do things the

[2:55:10] right way

[2:55:11] um but professional skepticism is you

[2:55:14] know we we do have to question things

[2:55:15] and when things come up

[2:55:18] um you know and your staff are awesome

[2:55:19] any questions that my team asked

[2:55:22] um we had responses immediately

[2:55:24] um if there were questions you know they

[2:55:26] went and looked looked up the

[2:55:27] information and we were able to get the

[2:55:28] information

[2:55:29] um so I really appreciate that

[2:55:33] um like I said we have to identify the

[2:55:34] risk of material misstatement we have to

[2:55:36] look at your internal control uh we do

[2:55:39] not give an opinion on your internal

[2:55:40] control but but

[2:55:42] um we do look at it your controls to

[2:55:45] make sure a that they actually exist and

[2:55:47] B that they're functioning

[2:55:49] um if you don't have any operating

[2:55:51] controls then you're on risk will go

[2:55:54] significantly higher and we have to

[2:55:56] change the way we test Things based on

[2:55:57] you not having any controls

[2:56:00] um we have to evaluate the

[2:56:02] appropriateness of how you use

[2:56:04] principles and how you understand them

[2:56:06] and then the last ballpoint is

[2:56:09] follows along with your assessment of

[2:56:11] your ability to continue as a going

[2:56:13] concern if there's things that we

[2:56:15] identify as part of our test work that

[2:56:17] kind of trigger those thoughts then we

[2:56:19] also have to do an analysis on your

[2:56:22] ability to continue as a going concern

[2:56:23] and just for public record there weren't

[2:56:26] any signs of you guys not not being able

[2:56:29] to continue to operate as a County

[2:56:32] I know I was talking about this to

[2:56:34] somebody and they freaked out and

[2:56:35] thought that I was telling them that

[2:56:36] they weren't going to be able to

[2:56:37] continue within the next 12 months but

[2:56:39] this is more just the information that

[2:56:41] we have to look at in during our

[2:56:42] engagement

[2:56:43] all right required supplementary

[2:56:45] information just remember that there are

[2:56:47] parts of the financial statements that

[2:56:49] don't fall under our opinion and that is

[2:56:51] the Management's discussion analysis

[2:56:52] that immediately follows the audit

[2:56:54] reports on the next page

[2:56:57] um and then after the notes of the

[2:56:59] financial statements there is a section

[2:57:01] called required supplementary

[2:57:02] information that has budget schedules in

[2:57:04] it it has the URS information the

[2:57:07] pension information

[2:57:08] the schedules that are required to be

[2:57:10] there so they're not a part of the basic

[2:57:13] financial statements however they're

[2:57:14] required to accompany the financial

[2:57:15] statements to give more readability and

[2:57:18] more understandability to the financial

[2:57:20] statements so I always tell councils and

[2:57:23] commissions and and other boards that if

[2:57:26] you want to study the financial

[2:57:27] statements the Management's discussion

[2:57:29] analysis is the first place to start

[2:57:31] because it's kind of the Reader's Digest

[2:57:32] version of what's in the financial

[2:57:34] statement so it's kind of a 30 000 foot

[2:57:36] view of what's in the financial

[2:57:38] statements there's a lot of comparative

[2:57:39] data to the prior year so you can see

[2:57:42] where you're at year over year versus

[2:57:44] getting into the weeds of the numbers

[2:57:45] and sometimes you get lost thinking oh

[2:57:47] my gosh I don't understand these

[2:57:48] governmental statements they don't make

[2:57:49] any sense to me so the management

[2:57:51] discussion analysis is a good place to

[2:57:53] start

[2:57:55] um supplementary information so that

[2:57:57] would be any non-major funds that you've requested that we add to the

[2:58:01] financial statements

[2:58:03] um the schedule of expenditures of

[2:58:05] federal Awards so that is your single

[2:58:07] audit

[2:58:08] um that's considered supplementary

[2:58:10] information so supplementary information

[2:58:11] is information that is either by your

[2:58:14] choice or somebody else says you have to

[2:58:16] include this information

[2:58:18] um but it does fall underneath our

[2:58:20] opinion

[2:58:22] um so those those sections are audited

[2:58:25] and they they also received an

[2:58:27] unqualified or unlockified opinion

[2:58:31] okay if you want to flip to the back

[2:58:38] page a little PDF pages

[2:58:46] probably 10 pages in the end

[2:58:54] it'll go on the on your page side and

[2:58:57] then scroll down your pages

[2:59:00] and you see the secret rather that

[2:59:03] report

[2:59:05] okay so these are the the other reports

[2:59:07] that were required to issue that this

[2:59:09] one talks is a report that were issue

[2:59:12] that says that we did your audit

[2:59:13] according to government auditing

[2:59:14] standards

[2:59:15] um this one just this report uh really

[2:59:18] just talks about us looking at your

[2:59:20] internal controls

[2:59:22] um not that we give an opinion on it

[2:59:23] like I said but we have to identify any

[2:59:25] significant deficiencies or material

[2:59:26] weaknesses

[2:59:28] um we didn't find any that we would

[2:59:30] report as part of this letter

[2:59:32] all right two face go two pages down uh

[2:59:35] this is the report that we're required

[2:59:37] to issue

[2:59:38] um for the state auditor and you can see

[2:59:40] the indented area right there in the

[2:59:42] middle of the page those were the areas

[2:59:44] that we were required to look at

[2:59:46] um there's significantly more than last

[2:59:48] year and that's because this is the

[2:59:50] first year that we've done your audit so

[2:59:51] it's the your your first cycle so

[2:59:54] anything cash management open to public

[2:59:56] meetings public Treasures Utah

[2:59:58] Retirement Systems impact fees tax levy

[3:00:00] recognition Enterprise fund transfers so

[3:00:03] all those are our third year procedures

[3:00:05] so you only have to be tested on those

[3:00:06] every three years but since was this was

[3:00:08] the first year that we performed the

[3:00:10] audit

[3:00:11] whether or not you did it last year or

[3:00:12] two years ago we were required to do it

[3:00:14] again

[3:00:15] um

[3:00:16] we do give an opinion on your compliance

[3:00:18] and and our opinion is is also an

[3:00:21] unmodified or unqualified opinion on

[3:00:23] your compliance meaning that we didn't

[3:00:25] find any material non-compliance that

[3:00:28] um during our test work

[3:00:30] um and as you'll see as we discuss the

[3:00:32] management letters that there weren't

[3:00:33] any state compliance findings this year

[3:00:36] uh all right next page so two pages down

[3:00:39] so the next report is the report that we

[3:00:42] issue

[3:00:43] um for your single audit

[3:00:45] and this just says that

[3:00:48] um we've done our test work in

[3:00:49] accordance with the uniform guidance

[3:00:51] and we give an opinion on each of your

[3:00:54] major federal programs so we don't look

[3:00:56] at every Federal program that you get

[3:00:58] based on your schedule of expenditures

[3:01:00] we have to determine which ones are

[3:01:02] major programs and those are the ones

[3:01:04] that we give an opinion on

[3:01:06] so we give an opinion on your insurance

[3:01:08] control and as well as your compliance

[3:01:11] and both of those opinions are

[3:01:13] unmodified and unqualified

[3:01:16] um if there are any issues that come up

[3:01:19] um

[3:01:20] we are required to report them to the

[3:01:24] federal government everything was

[3:01:26] submitted to the federal government by

[3:01:27] the deadline that was my big concern was

[3:01:30] getting into the federal audit

[3:01:32] Clearinghouse by September 30th but we

[3:01:34] did make it so that's good

[3:01:37] um thanks to Gabe for

[3:01:39] kind of being there for the end

[3:01:41] um

[3:01:42] trying to throw everything together and

[3:01:43] make sure that we get the deadline

[3:01:46] um just a couple of things that I'm I

[3:01:47] need to go over with the single audit

[3:01:51] um on page 87 so if you go down 23 pages

[3:01:56] um the summary of auditor results

[3:02:00] so

[3:02:02] um as far as what gets report were

[3:02:04] reported to the federal government we

[3:02:06] have to report what your opinion was on

[3:02:07] the financial statements so an

[3:02:09] unmodified or an unqualified opinion

[3:02:11] there were not any material weaknesses

[3:02:13] identified not any significant

[3:02:14] deficiencies and no non-compliance that

[3:02:17] were material to the financial

[3:02:18] statements your federal award program

[3:02:22] um we also have to identify our opinions

[3:02:24] we did not identify any material

[3:02:27] weaknesses or significant deficiencies

[3:02:29] as it relates to the federal programs

[3:02:32] um and any major federal program that we

[3:02:34] tested received an unmodified opinion

[3:02:38] um

[3:02:40] that you can see that we tested the arpa

[3:02:42] money this year so that was the major

[3:02:44] program

[3:02:46] um and MOA or Grant County qualifies as

[3:02:49] a low-risk Oddity that really doesn't

[3:02:51] mean anything to you guys other than

[3:02:53] um it's more information for us

[3:02:55] everybody freaks out about not being

[3:02:58] low risk or not being considered low

[3:03:00] risk that just means that you haven't

[3:03:02] had any findings in the last priority

[3:03:04] years and that you've had single audits

[3:03:05] that they've been filed on time or that

[3:03:08] there's aren't there's not any grants

[3:03:09] that a granting agency says this is high

[3:03:12] risk and you have to test it as high

[3:03:13] risk

[3:03:15] um so it's really kind of out of your

[3:03:16] control of whether or not you're

[3:03:18] determined to be low risk or high or

[3:03:20] high risk and all it means is if if

[3:03:23] you're not considered low risk they

[3:03:25] don't call high-risk they say you're not

[3:03:27] lower risk but that means that I have to

[3:03:29] test more so that's that's the

[3:03:31] difference it really doesn't mean

[3:03:32] anything to you guys other than I have

[3:03:33] to have more percent coverage

[3:03:35] all right

[3:03:37] now the management letter

[3:03:42] I'll be quick on this one these are

[3:03:43] things that we're required to go over

[3:03:45] we do as a commission

[3:03:47] or a council sorry

[3:03:49] um

[3:03:50] oh Commission

[3:03:54] sorry

[3:03:55] I talked to so many people like and

[3:03:57] everybody's changing everybody's like

[3:03:58] switching between here seven member five

[3:04:01] member

[3:04:03] um

[3:04:04] all right

[3:04:07] okay so the plan scope and timing the

[3:04:09] audit uh we we outline that in the

[3:04:12] engagement letter the sign at the

[3:04:13] beginning of the engagement the

[3:04:15] significant risk risks that were

[3:04:17] identified so I told you that we were

[3:04:18] going to talk about risks and these are things that were required to

[3:04:20] communicate with you as well now

[3:04:23] um so the risk that we identified were

[3:04:25] improper Revenue recognition cash

[3:04:26] disbursements and then potential

[3:04:28] management bias estimates and the

[3:04:30] ability of management to override

[3:04:32] controls

[3:04:33] so a lot of people have kind of been

[3:04:35] freaking out about this thinking oh my

[3:04:36] gosh we have these problems but

[3:04:38] I need to

[3:04:40] address these as these are significant

[3:04:44] risks that were required to identify in

[3:04:47] every engagement so if we don't identify

[3:04:49] Revenue recognition as a significant

[3:04:51] risk then we have to document what in

[3:04:54] your entity would make it not a

[3:04:57] significant risk and it doesn't matter

[3:04:58] if you're a government the non-profit

[3:05:00] public company everybody has that as a

[3:05:02] significant risk cash disbursements

[3:05:05] because you are a government entity

[3:05:07] and you are utilizing public funds there

[3:05:10] is a risk of misspending those funds

[3:05:12] therefore cash disbursements becomes a

[3:05:16] significant risk and then Management's

[3:05:18] bias estimates and the ability to

[3:05:21] override controls those are risks and

[3:05:23] this kind of boils down to internal

[3:05:25] controls

[3:05:26] so so Gabe's ability to create a journal

[3:05:29] entry is an override of a control

[3:05:32] um as you guys know as as I've worked

[3:05:34] with Cody Dieter

[3:05:36] um on some of the internal control stuff

[3:05:37] and kind of helping him you know with

[3:05:39] the county

[3:05:40] we talk a lot about internal controls

[3:05:42] and your financial records should be

[3:05:43] done on a transaction basis so journal

[3:05:46] entries are a way to either

[3:05:48] correct something that's happened or

[3:05:50] Management's ability to override that

[3:05:52] control so you have to have that ability

[3:05:54] to create a journal entry however

[3:05:57] inherently you can commit fraud and

[3:05:59] conceal fraud by having that ability to

[3:06:02] override that control so you can see how

[3:06:03] it's kind of a double-edged sword so

[3:06:06] that's why it's it's a significant risk

[3:06:09] um what this means to you guys is these

[3:06:12] are the risks that we had to identify in

[3:06:14] our audit and then we have to plan our

[3:06:16] procedures and our tests around these

[3:06:19] areas to make sure that we reduce the

[3:06:21] risk to a reasonable level to be

[3:06:23] comfortable with the balances so

[3:06:26] um nothing you know major that that you

[3:06:28] need to change as a county those risks

[3:06:31] will probably always be there

[3:06:33] um but we we plan tests around that and

[3:06:35] then if we think if we find areas of

[3:06:37] concern we'll usually talk to Gabe or

[3:06:38] whoever and you know if it's significant

[3:06:41] enough then we'll issue a finding

[3:06:44] all right

[3:06:48] um

[3:06:48] so management we talked about the has

[3:06:50] the responsibility to use a appropriate

[3:06:53] accounting policies

[3:06:55] um there weren't any new accounting

[3:06:56] pronouncements that were implemented

[3:06:58] this year

[3:06:59] um and and nothing nothing changed from

[3:07:02] the prior year uh significant accounting

[3:07:04] estimates

[3:07:06] um like I said this was identified as a

[3:07:07] significant risk but you have to know

[3:07:09] that there's always estimates in

[3:07:11] financial statements

[3:07:13] um the the reason why that's a

[3:07:15] significant issue is I always give the

[3:07:18] example of a capital asset so if you go

[3:07:19] out and you buy a new fire engine it's

[3:07:21] 500 000 and you pay for pay cash for it

[3:07:24] on your financial statements if you show

[3:07:26] that as an expense it's going to be a

[3:07:29] 500 000 hit to be to your bottom line

[3:07:31] but if you say well we think it's going

[3:07:33] to last for 50 years then we're going to

[3:07:36] depreciate that over 50 years then it's

[3:07:38] only a thousand dollars that hit your

[3:07:39] bottom line that's a huge difference in

[3:07:41] net income and if and so what we do is

[3:07:44] we try to identify any estimates in the

[3:07:46] financial statements URS

[3:07:49] you know your net pension liability

[3:07:50] that's an estimate and it's going to

[3:07:51] change every year that one's out of your

[3:07:53] control uh but we look at those to make

[3:07:55] sure that they're consistent over time

[3:07:57] and that they're reasonable you know

[3:07:59] it's not reasonable to expense an asset

[3:08:01] that's going to last 20 years all in one

[3:08:03] year versus well we think it's going to

[3:08:05] last 100 years that's that's also not

[3:08:07] reasonable so we have to say okay here's

[3:08:10] what how long you should depreciate a

[3:08:12] fire truck

[3:08:14] um the reason being is it's really hard

[3:08:16] for you to plan for the future by

[3:08:19] looking at financial data it's

[3:08:21] historical when you have these big

[3:08:22] swings in financial data because of

[3:08:24] estimates because they can't change and

[3:08:27] if you change your methodology then it

[3:08:29] changes at the bottom line and then you

[3:08:30] go back and you can't get consistent

[3:08:33] data to plan for the future and so

[3:08:35] that's one of the reasons why we we talk

[3:08:37] a lot about it and we try to identify it

[3:08:39] and make sure that they're reasonable

[3:08:41] and that they're consistent over time

[3:08:43] there weren't any uncorrected

[3:08:45] misstatements there weren't any

[3:08:46] significant difficulties during the

[3:08:49] audit like I said we got all the

[3:08:51] information that we needed

[3:08:53] um I will it's probably a good time to

[3:08:54] talk about it

[3:08:56] um one of the reasons why the audit was

[3:08:57] late was because of the component units

[3:09:00] um we audit quite a few counties and

[3:09:02] this is a problem in every County I I'm

[3:09:06] giving you guys the charge or talking to

[3:09:08] you I've already talked to Gabe I talked

[3:09:10] to Clint

[3:09:11] um if you can push the component units

[3:09:13] to get their audits done

[3:09:15] before the June deadline I'm working on

[3:09:18] my end working through the state auditor

[3:09:20] to actually try and change the law so

[3:09:22] they have to be done by the end of May

[3:09:23] that gives them you know a 30-day grace

[3:09:26] period to be able to get them to you

[3:09:27] guys to be able to get your financial

[3:09:28] statements in on time but if you can

[3:09:30] push on your end to have them close

[3:09:34] their books right after the end of the

[3:09:35] year get with their Auditors it

[3:09:38] typically has been a problem in the past

[3:09:40] where

[3:09:42] um I would say the blame falls on us as

[3:09:45] cbas because a lot of the CPA firms in

[3:09:47] the state do tax season and then to do

[3:09:50] government audits in the summertime so

[3:09:51] they wait until after April 15th and

[3:09:54] then they go on vacation and so then

[3:09:55] it's May or June when they started in

[3:09:57] the audience well there's no way you can

[3:09:58] finish an audit that fast

[3:10:00] um and I'm working with a couple other

[3:10:02] CPA firms and we're trying to fix that

[3:10:04] we're trying to get to where the audits

[3:10:06] are being done earlier in the year

[3:10:08] because now it's October and and you're

[3:10:12] getting Financial reports that don't

[3:10:14] mean anything to you anymore but if you

[3:10:15] got them in February or March that means

[3:10:17] a whole lot more because it's relevant

[3:10:19] information you know and so if you can

[3:10:21] push on your end I would greatly

[3:10:23] appreciate it

[3:10:25] um and and we'll be involved we I know

[3:10:28] most of the Auditors for the component

[3:10:29] units and so I push on my end as well

[3:10:33] just just to clarify on that the

[3:10:36] component units that that's um

[3:10:37] specifically referring to our special

[3:10:39] service districts that you all serve on

[3:10:41] the boards for yeah that's right

[3:10:44] okay thank you so it's like I just met

[3:10:46] with Canyonlands just barely that's I

[3:10:48] was in a meeting with them before and so

[3:10:50] I talked to them it said look we're

[3:10:52] closing your books the end of February

[3:10:53] first part of March get your audit done

[3:10:55] you know we'll get it to the auditor so

[3:10:57] it's done EMS

[3:11:00] um I remember the other one's a bit late

[3:11:01] the song waste just was was late this

[3:11:04] year so a lot of the major ones are were

[3:11:07] significantly late so that's kind of

[3:11:09] what we were waiting on

[3:11:11] um disagreements with management there

[3:11:12] weren't any disagreements with

[3:11:13] management

[3:11:15] um management representation so we get a

[3:11:17] letter signed by management that is kind

[3:11:19] of a full disclosure letter so when I'm

[3:11:21] reviewing everything I'm reviewing our

[3:11:22] opinion I'm reviewing the financial

[3:11:23] statements I could be comfortable that

[3:11:25] our opinion is correct and that you've

[3:11:27] been forthcoming with any information

[3:11:28] that you have withheld anything and

[3:11:30] that's the purpose of that letter

[3:11:32] consultations with other accountants if

[3:11:33] there is a disagreement on an accounting

[3:11:35] principle or how we're handling a

[3:11:37] situation you're more than welcome to go

[3:11:39] talk to a third party auditor the only

[3:11:41] request is that we also have access to

[3:11:43] that same third party so that we can

[3:11:45] present our case and our understanding

[3:11:47] of what the code is or the accounting

[3:11:50] principle and then we can all get on the

[3:11:52] same page and we can move forward with

[3:11:53] the audit

[3:11:56] um

[3:11:58] yeah that's pretty much it so if you

[3:12:00] want to flip the page oh you're not on

[3:12:02] that match letter

[3:12:04] um the very last part of the management

[3:12:05] letter is the the findings

[3:12:07] um there weren't any internal control

[3:12:08] findings this year

[3:12:10] um and there were no State compliance

[3:12:11] findings this year so congratulate your

[3:12:14] staff or Pat them on the back they they

[3:12:15] do a good job

[3:12:17] um and then in a few years that I've

[3:12:19] worked with Cody on the internal control

[3:12:21] stuff I know that we've kind of cleaned

[3:12:23] stuff up and and had you do a lot of

[3:12:25] different things in the Management's

[3:12:27] offices the staff offices to be able to

[3:12:30] get to a point where there's not

[3:12:31] internal control findings

[3:12:34] um last year there were a couple of

[3:12:35] findings that we just have to address

[3:12:38] and give you the status on last year

[3:12:39] there was a excess budget

[3:12:43] so you went over budget last year

[3:12:46] and that was I don't know if you

[3:12:48] remember it was in the health department

[3:12:49] domestic violence fund Capital project

[3:12:51] fund and Healthcare however that appears

[3:12:54] to have been addressed and corrected

[3:12:56] there weren't any issues of that during

[3:12:58] 2021 and then deficit fund balance so

[3:13:01] last year domestic violence fund had a

[3:13:03] deficit fund balance it was a really

[3:13:04] small one

[3:13:06] but that was corrected this period as

[3:13:09] well so both of the prior findings are basically considered closed now

[3:13:14] you've addressed them correct them so

[3:13:17] is there any questions for me

[3:13:21] all right

[3:13:24] but basically we're okay yeah doing a

[3:13:27] good job doing better doing good job

[3:13:29] perfect but doing better great

[3:13:32] and to remind those or just to make

[3:13:34] clear to those who might have been

[3:13:35] underwear this is our first year working

[3:13:37] with uh John and his firm uh for our

[3:13:41] audit and I I think it's

[3:13:43] going to be really great moving forward

[3:13:45] for the financial health of the county

[3:13:48] um and I and I have to take a moment to

[3:13:51] thank the uh the clerk's office staff

[3:13:53] Christy Backus Janice Smith Janna Kyle

[3:13:55] uh Cassie Rose who's no longer with us

[3:13:58] uh Renee

[3:14:00] Treasurer Kaufman associate

[3:14:02] administrator Hall

[3:14:04] I'm probably missing some people too but

[3:14:06] it's a real team effort putting this

[3:14:08] together and working with John so yeah

[3:14:11] great yeah thank you Gabe and John okay

[3:14:15] thanks all right

[3:14:19] uh

[3:14:20] very educational um moving on Utah

[3:14:23] Geological Survey Madison Wetlands study

[3:14:26] presentation we have uh Catherine ladig

[3:14:29] from the Utah Geological Survey at

[3:14:32] groundwater and wetlands program

[3:14:36] welcome thanks for uh sitting through

[3:14:39] all that

[3:14:45] it's on the

[3:14:47] yeah yeah

[3:14:52] I read it

[3:15:00] I can probably start some uh Catherine

[3:15:03] lattice with uh Utah Geological Survey

[3:15:06] groundwater and wetlands program

[3:15:09] um and so uh we as a group are studying

[3:15:20] the maths in wetlands and we're looking

[3:15:22] at uh developing a water budget for the

[3:15:26] wetlands

[3:15:27] um and refining any that have been done

[3:15:29] in the past adding a lot more details

[3:15:32] um we're also looking at a brine layer

[3:15:33] that's underlying the fresh water in the

[3:15:36] Wetland or below the Wetland that's part

[3:15:39] of the valley full of aquifer

[3:15:41] um and then uh

[3:15:44] part of that we're looking at Spring

[3:15:46] Water there are Springs issuing from the

[3:15:49] Glen Canyon group east of Highway 191

[3:15:52] that feed fresh water to The Preserve so

[3:15:55] that's going to be really key we're

[3:15:57] looking at if there are fluctuations and

[3:15:59] those going on anything like that

[3:16:02] um and then the last bit we're looking

[3:16:04] at vegetation and trying to do some

[3:16:07] vegetation mapping we have a whole

[3:16:09] Wetlands group dedicated to that so

[3:16:11] they're going to be putting their

[3:16:12] efforts

[3:16:13] um without a fact uh kind of why that's

[3:16:16] important for Grand County to I guess is

[3:16:19] already touched on it so we're looking

[3:16:20] at two of the different aquifers that

[3:16:22] you guys rely on the Glen Canyon and the

[3:16:25] valley fill looking at how surface water

[3:16:28] is interacting with groundwater through

[3:16:30] there and as we're building this water

[3:16:32] budget that's specific to maps and

[3:16:35] wetlands you know there are pieces of

[3:16:36] that that are going to apply further

[3:16:39] into Spanish Valley

[3:16:42] um

[3:16:43] so uh

[3:16:46] there's maps in I need to start there so

[3:16:48] here's our field area

[3:16:50] um each of the orange dots on that map

[3:16:52] are well each of the blue uh little X's

[3:16:57] there crosses are a place where

[3:16:59] monitoring surface water

[3:17:01] um so we have really good coverage in

[3:17:03] The Preserve uh groundwater flow through

[3:17:05] this area is generally from the

[3:17:07] southwest sorry Southeast to Northwest

[3:17:11] flowing through

[3:17:13] um and so we're watching the flow again

[3:17:16] thinks that great spread of walls that

[3:17:19] are already out

[3:17:22] um you can

[3:17:25] um all right uh so uh like I was saying

[3:17:27] we're trying to watch for changes

[3:17:30] um in flow rate coming from the springs

[3:17:32] they sharing from that Glen canning

[3:17:34] group so uh here's a just a little chart

[3:17:37] that's showing some of the data points

[3:17:38] that we've collected so far on Flow

[3:17:40] rates

[3:17:42] um the gray triangles are watercress

[3:17:44] Springs Ranch

[3:17:47] and then we have duck puddles North and

[3:17:52] South which are two technically

[3:17:54] horizontal Wells Facebook strings and

[3:17:57] those were formerly called the water

[3:17:58] park

[3:18:01] great uh so on on the previous script

[3:18:04] how many years was the horizontal ax oh

[3:18:06] that was I think it's just over a year

[3:18:08] it starts in uh September 21. so

[3:18:16] uh so then my back like I said we have

[3:18:19] all this infrastructure already in place

[3:18:21] where we're able to monitor the

[3:18:23] groundwater

[3:18:24] um so we've placed pressure transducers

[3:18:26] and uh basically every wall that we

[3:18:28] could

[3:18:29] um and then we take hand measurements

[3:18:31] and the others about once a month

[3:18:33] um the pressure transducers those wire

[3:18:36] level measurements are giving you guys

[3:18:38] an idea of how the groundwater is

[3:18:39] fluctuating we can compare that with

[3:18:41] things like you know what's happening to

[3:18:43] the Colorado River at the same time

[3:18:46] Etc

[3:18:48] um one of the special things we have are

[3:18:50] eight transducers that are also

[3:18:51] measuring salinity though so that's what

[3:18:54] these graphs are showing

[3:18:56] um so the I think it's red yes Redline

[3:18:59] is the salinity curve and the blue line

[3:19:02] is the groundwater so we're seeing how

[3:19:05] the salinity in the well is changing or

[3:19:08] I think specific conductivity

[3:19:09] technically here but um

[3:19:12] for salinity uh

[3:19:14] with the groundwater

[3:19:17] thanks

[3:19:18] uh all right so uh touching just back on

[3:19:22] that brine layer

[3:19:23] um

[3:19:25] the origins of it are likely the Paradox

[3:19:27] formation and that's kind of shown here

[3:19:30] it's hard to see a little bit you can

[3:19:31] kind of see the Colorado River flowing

[3:19:34] across the top of the graphic there

[3:19:37] um and then all the blue is that Glen

[3:19:40] Canyon group sandstone and that's just

[3:19:44] kind of saying like that's what's at the

[3:19:45] surface for your Bedrock but that red is

[3:19:48] where your surface bed rock is the

[3:19:50] Paradox formation

[3:19:54] likely stores will be doing chemical

[3:19:56] analysis so

[3:19:59] um

[3:20:03] uh so to continue to get at that

[3:20:06] grindler I'm really try to constrain its

[3:20:10] location describe if it's fluctuating at

[3:20:12] all

[3:20:13] um we are looking at uh doing it or we

[3:20:17] have already done uh some

[3:20:19] electromagnetic induction logging and

[3:20:22] that's where they go it's David O'Leary

[3:20:24] with USGS is working with us on this and

[3:20:27] they actually put a probe down in the

[3:20:28] wells and they're looking at resistivity

[3:20:30] with death

[3:20:31] how that's changing this is really

[3:20:33] important for us because another way

[3:20:35] that we're going to look at those

[3:20:37] surface or you know the transition from

[3:20:39] freshwater to brine

[3:20:41] across the entire preserve is using

[3:20:43] transient electromagnetic surveys a

[3:20:46] whole mouthful but uh those are going to

[3:20:48] give us this planar view these give us

[3:20:51] points and we can use these points to

[3:20:52] calibrate that plane that we're

[3:20:55] developing

[3:20:57] um so again sorry I'll just rush through

[3:20:58] so you can go

[3:21:00] uh so this is what are these are

[3:21:03] examples of what the transient

[3:21:05] electromagnetic surveys produce

[3:21:08] um so kind of hard to see but the top

[3:21:11] two images are in that plan view map

[3:21:14] view so we have the resistivity

[3:21:18] essentially from zero to five meters and

[3:21:21] then you can see the difference between

[3:21:23] that image and the one to the right

[3:21:24] where it's at lower depth five to ten

[3:21:28] meters deep

[3:21:29] and then you can also develop cross

[3:21:31] sections to show ing the change in

[3:21:33] resistivity across a region in that

[3:21:36] would have solved so again those are

[3:21:39] just examples from elsewhere that's what

[3:21:40] we'll be incorporating

[3:21:43] um and like I said another bit is this

[3:21:45] vegetation mapping and so again

[3:21:46] everything we're doing is going to be

[3:21:49] able to be repeated whether it's by us

[3:21:52] or someone else down the line

[3:21:54] so the vegetation mapping is going to be

[3:21:59] using this National Wetlands inventory

[3:22:01] kind of method uh just tweaked a little

[3:22:05] bit for this area

[3:22:08] it'll establish some baseline conditions

[3:22:12] future look at how the vegetation might

[3:22:14] have changed

[3:22:15] it's also going to help us estimate

[3:22:18] about what transpiration which is a big

[3:22:20] part of that water

[3:22:22] how much water you know being lost to ET

[3:22:28] um and then they've already started oh

[3:22:31] if you flip back just quick

[3:22:34] uh so they have started doing some of

[3:22:37] that mapping so the squiggles on that

[3:22:39] map are lines that were delineated in

[3:22:42] the 80s and so you can see they're

[3:22:45] drawing lakes or ponds where there

[3:22:47] aren't ponds anywhere necessarily and

[3:22:49] then it's kind of hard to see but that

[3:22:51] brown isn't land surface it's actually

[3:22:54] showing like current canopy height which

[3:22:57] is indicating that the Woody vegetation

[3:23:05] all right uh so the fun part uh

[3:23:07] budgeting uh so we're proposing

[3:23:12] um to partner with Grand County on this

[3:23:14] in addition to our other partners

[3:23:17] um at a cost to Grant County of twenty

[3:23:20] two thousand dollars

[3:23:22] um that we would be matching and this is

[3:23:24] just in addition to our existing budget

[3:23:27] um so they're the total budget on there

[3:23:30] for this fiscal year was 139 000

[3:23:35] um and uh you know our partner total

[3:23:38] right now of that would be 62 000 ugs

[3:23:42] would be paying the rest

[3:23:44] um and then we propose also for fiscal

[3:23:47] year 24

[3:23:49] um that Grant County's contribution

[3:23:52] could be 12 000 again with me matching

[3:23:55] that

[3:23:58] um we could bump that all into a single

[3:24:02] proposal too for you

[3:24:08] who are those other offenders

[3:24:13] I know but uh so it's the Colorado River

[3:24:17] authority of Utah

[3:24:19] um yeah so we have Colorado River

[3:24:21] authority of Utah nature conservancy

[3:24:22] Wildlife Resources water rights

[3:24:31] oh

[3:24:33] um you kind of touched on this as like

[3:24:35] developing groundwater

[3:24:37] or the water budget for the mathesons

[3:24:40] but will this help us clarify kind of

[3:24:43] that big question for

[3:24:46] residents of Spanish Valley how much

[3:24:49] water

[3:24:50] do we have

[3:24:51] here to use so does this help clarify

[3:24:53] some of the discrepancies that were in

[3:24:55] the other studies that have been done

[3:24:59] I think it would be in addition to those

[3:25:03] and I think there's an aspect of this

[3:25:06] project I think there some of our

[3:25:09] partners are hoping that this project

[3:25:11] would expand

[3:25:13] um and that's just I mean

[3:25:14] out there

[3:25:16] uh you know there are no specific plans

[3:25:19] for that yet but um there have been

[3:25:20] conversations and I think that

[3:25:24] Factor

[3:25:24] would be more

[3:25:30] in that direction

[3:25:32] I was out there I went out there with

[3:25:35] the division and I think you were there

[3:25:37] when the division was out there there

[3:25:39] are also Hugh and so at least from my

[3:25:41] memory of that meeting was more like the

[3:25:44] concern of water in the wetlands for

[3:25:46] wildlife for example

[3:25:48] um but also I know

[3:25:50] to expand on that brine layer a little

[3:25:52] bit if my memory serves me there was

[3:25:54] some concerns about we don't really

[3:25:57] happening with that right there what

[3:25:59] could happen with that Brian Mayer so

[3:26:01] yeah maybe expand on that distance

[3:26:03] so there are concerns that if

[3:26:08] fresh wire availability changes that brine could fluctuate at which

[3:26:13] point yes you'd see

[3:26:14] possible impacts to the vegetation to

[3:26:18] water quality and then you know possibly

[3:26:21] salinating charts

[3:26:26] it's my understanding the brine layer

[3:26:28] could also threaten the cities water

[3:26:30] rights and sources of water so I'm

[3:26:33] curious whether the city is being

[3:26:34] courted as a partner and where they are

[3:26:36] on the with us

[3:26:40] or am I wrong

[3:26:52] so yeah nothing so far from the city hey

[3:26:55] we're aware they have a lot of a lot

[3:26:57] going on right

[3:27:00] so regarding what you asked before so

[3:27:03] yeah this is this will be a real major

[3:27:05] refinement of part of what the USGS did

[3:27:08] oh

[3:27:10] the the wetlands are kind of the end

[3:27:12] point of the groundwater system

[3:27:14] in the valley and so

[3:27:18] charge will reflect what's going on

[3:27:20] upgrading in the rest and then we also

[3:27:25] hope to are hoping to kind of provide

[3:27:27] some tools for wildlife and the nation

[3:27:30] for the long term

[3:27:32] management of the health of that

[3:27:34] preserved if their water supply is

[3:27:37] decreasing they need to know how much

[3:27:40] water they could put where to support

[3:27:42] the critical vegetation that forms that

[3:27:45] I know when we went there they were just

[3:27:47] finishing that Nursery is that correct

[3:27:50] for I can't remember what species yeah

[3:27:54] right so they built a little

[3:27:56] um kind of fry Nursery I don't know if

[3:27:58] I'm saying that appropriately

[3:28:01] yeah anyways so it's pretty cool but it

[3:28:05] needs water

[3:28:08] we monitor the flow right into that pond

[3:28:11] as well yes

[3:28:12] dispersed throughout there

[3:28:17] so I guess my questions related to some

[3:28:19] of these others but it seems like over

[3:28:21] the last few years we

[3:28:23] you know we've been asked to fund

[3:28:25] various studies about groundwater which makes sense but I'm just not sure

[3:28:29] how this one fits into the big picture

[3:28:31] like is like if we you know suppose we only

[3:28:35] had a hundred thousand dollars to spend

[3:28:37] studying the aquifer is this where we

[3:28:38] want to do it or is this really only

[3:28:40] affect the wetlands and doesn't affect

[3:28:42] our drinking water

[3:28:45] I think well to me but of course you

[3:28:48] know I'm a wildlife person I mean I

[3:28:50] think it's a more hole is a contribution

[3:28:53] to a wildfire for is this like

[3:28:55] preserving our

[3:28:56] I mean our water supply which which one

[3:28:59] is it well I think Chrissy's point to I

[3:29:02] mean

[3:29:08] applications that it could be to

[3:29:10] groundwater understandably it's the end

[3:29:13] of the line but

[3:29:17] about that

[3:29:20] would like to contribute

[3:29:25] right and have a yeah

[3:29:30] go ahead Mark

[3:29:35] is a uh so I appreciate what Catherine

[3:29:38] and Hugo presented and they have done a

[3:29:40] great job and we're excited about the

[3:29:43] information they're Gathering and to

[3:29:45] answer the question about how does this

[3:29:47] help us understand the groundwater

[3:29:50] rights and future development on those

[3:29:52] rights it's a critically important piece

[3:29:55] the 2019 USGS study was a big

[3:29:59] comprehensive picture

[3:30:01] that they didn't go into detail and they

[3:30:04] left us with a lot of questions that

[3:30:06] still need to be answered

[3:30:07] and one of them is down around the

[3:30:09] wetlands

[3:30:10] so the water that's passing through the

[3:30:12] wetlands currently

[3:30:14] underneath and and coming back into the

[3:30:16] bot into the end of Mill Creek

[3:30:18] and into the wetlands itself

[3:30:21] represents the water in the hydrologic

[3:30:24] system that might still be available for

[3:30:26] development by for instance Moab City or

[3:30:30] groundwater or San Juan County

[3:30:33] so understanding that Dynamic and

[3:30:36] whether or not that water can be pulled

[3:30:38] out without harming the wetlands is a

[3:30:41] very critical piece of information that

[3:30:44] we need

[3:30:45] as you know applications come in front

[3:30:47] of us and as development moves forward

[3:30:50] in in Moab Spanish Valley so I hope that

[3:30:54] helps

[3:30:56] yeah I think that helps Mark thanks

[3:30:58] how many years of data do you need mark

[3:31:04] okay you know we want and that was one

[3:31:07] of the important points that when we sat

[3:31:10] down with ugs in the beginning is

[3:31:12] there's been a lot of monitoring that's

[3:31:15] been done in the wetlands in the past

[3:31:17] but it was

[3:31:18] it hasn't been sustained and so we asked

[3:31:22] ugs that whatever they do they

[3:31:25] incorporate it into a long-term

[3:31:27] monitoring program

[3:31:28] so that these wells will continue to be

[3:31:31] monitored well past this study so it can

[3:31:34] help inform our decisions going forward

[3:31:37] and that that interaction between that

[3:31:39] freshwater layer and the brine layer is

[3:31:42] poorly understood and and Tom who's your

[3:31:45] next presenter is going to talk about

[3:31:47] trying to get a better understanding of

[3:31:49] that it's obviously

[3:31:52] uh the wetlands are an important piece

[3:31:54] of moab's identity

[3:31:56] and

[3:31:57] we'd like to do the best we can to make

[3:32:01] sure that as we look at decisions

[3:32:03] regarding water rights

[3:32:05] that we we take those

[3:32:08] um important points into consideration

[3:32:11] and and to do that we just need better

[3:32:13] and more data which is which is then

[3:32:16] which is the point of this study

[3:32:19] so in summary then it sounds like you're

[3:32:21] saying that Grant County's got you know

[3:32:23] some limited moderate budget to spend on

[3:32:25] better understanding our water supply

[3:32:27] this will be a good place to spend that

[3:32:29] money

[3:32:30] absolutely yep yeah there's three critical areas in Moab

[3:32:36] Spanish Valley that we identified as

[3:32:37] needing more research the wetlands area

[3:32:40] the area around the golf course

[3:32:43] and the area up around Ken's Lake

[3:32:46] so we've started down at

[3:32:48] the wetlands and we hope in the future

[3:32:50] to look at these other two areas as well

[3:32:55] um we can talk more about the budget and

[3:32:58] the actual funding of this during the

[3:32:59] action items

[3:33:01] um and just leave those up for

[3:33:02] presentation but those action items are

[3:33:04] coming okay yeah great thanks sir

[3:33:12] movement forward he gave me

[3:33:17] all right thank you so much thank you

[3:33:19] yeah thank you very much much

[3:33:22] appreciated

[3:33:28] all right our next uh report or

[3:33:30] presentation I'm sorry is uh Colorado

[3:33:32] River in maths and wetlands salinity

[3:33:34] study proposal uh Tom Marston

[3:33:37] investigations Chief with the USGS Utah

[3:33:40] water science center

[3:33:41] yeah

[3:33:44] hello everybody

[3:33:46] um clearly

[3:33:54] yeah as you said my name is Tom Marston

[3:33:56] um with USPS water science center an

[3:33:59] investigation is about here in public

[3:34:01] city sorry I can't either way

[3:34:05] actually Tom you're uh yeah your sound

[3:34:09] is coming across garbles a little bit

[3:34:11] thank you hey I wondered

[3:34:18] as well

[3:34:20] people

[3:34:39] sounds like your connection might be

[3:34:40] just a little bit slow

[3:34:52] really

[3:34:53] yeah

[3:35:04] okay

[3:35:12] you have a pretty severe echo in there

[3:35:16] yeah turn off your computer speaker

[3:35:23] I'm out now

[3:35:25] yeah that's better

[3:35:28] okay

[3:35:31] my name is

[3:35:36] I'm getting still some pretty bad

[3:35:38] feedback in there

[3:35:41] that sounded better

[3:35:46] okay

[3:35:48] let me investigations

[3:35:52] um

[3:36:00] you have to mute the presentation while

[3:36:04] you're speaking

[3:36:07] right right yeah try to mute your mic on your

[3:36:11] computer and just use your android

[3:36:13] computer speaker

[3:36:19] sorry that was that's me that was doing

[3:36:21] that you're right

[3:36:24] sorry technical that's better

[3:36:29] okay

[3:36:30] um yeah no I am the USGS liaison of the

[3:36:34] Colorado River salinity control Forum as

[3:36:36] well as the investigations Chief in Salt

[3:36:37] Lake City

[3:36:39] um and I will I will represent both

[3:36:41] functions um today

[3:36:43] um

[3:36:43] in terms of of the interest and and what

[3:36:47] I've am going to present and propose

[3:36:50] um let me share my screen real quick

[3:37:02] so as mentioned before uh by the Utah

[3:37:05] Geological Survey

[3:37:07] um

[3:37:09] The Brines that have exist in Spanish

[3:37:11] Valley have been known for quite a while

[3:37:15] um they've been sampled and studied now

[3:37:18] for for several decades and

[3:37:20] um

[3:37:21] and their overall impact uh

[3:37:25] on specifically the Colorado River have

[3:37:29] always been of interest to various

[3:37:31] groups in the region

[3:37:34] and there's been various efforts uh

[3:37:37] across the years that have looked at

[3:37:40] um

[3:37:40] that interface between the alluvial

[3:37:43] aquifers the freshwater aquifer and the high salinity brine associated

[3:37:49] with the Paradox formation that

[3:37:50] underlies it

[3:37:52] um as you can see in this figure this is

[3:37:54] a figure that's from a master's thesis

[3:37:57] uh completed in the at the University of

[3:38:00] Utah recently by Nora Nelson uh we find

[3:38:04] the the highest concentration of uh

[3:38:06] brines in Shallow Wells here in the

[3:38:09] north uh West portion of the wetlands as

[3:38:11] you get closer uh to the Colorado River

[3:38:15] um

[3:38:15] and in a very focused uh portion of the

[3:38:19] bank here just north of where Mill Creek

[3:38:21] discharges into the Colorado River

[3:38:25] um

[3:38:27] as I said before

[3:38:29] um the salinity control Forum has funded

[3:38:32] uh numerous studies looking at uh salt

[3:38:35] loading in the Colorado River

[3:38:38] um essentially in the whole upper Basin

[3:38:40] of the Colorado River one of one such

[3:38:42] study that was completed in the in the

[3:38:44] early 2000s was to conduct a water

[3:38:48] quality synoptic

[3:38:49] um or a series of sampling events down

[3:38:53] river at a similar discharge to look at

[3:38:57] Salt loading As you move down through

[3:38:59] the system and so this study was

[3:39:02] published in 2014

[3:39:05] what they found in this study which is

[3:39:08] shown in was not done all at one period

[3:39:11] in time just because floating the river

[3:39:13] takes time and sampling is rigorous

[3:39:17] but as you move down through

[3:39:19] um the area

[3:39:21] considered the Moab Valley Anna Klein on

[3:39:24] through past Mill Creek towards the Cane

[3:39:26] Creek Cane Creek and a plane we didn't

[3:39:29] see a huge uh rise in dissolved solid

[3:39:32] loads

[3:39:34] um

[3:39:35] which at the at the time of the Forum

[3:39:37] was comfortable uh not doing too much

[3:39:40] more investigation uh based on these

[3:39:43] findings

[3:39:45] essentially compartmentalizing this with

[3:39:48] a result of the Spanish Valley that was

[3:39:50] not contributing a whole lot of of salt

[3:39:52] to the river

[3:39:55] um

[3:39:56] here as of recent with the long-term

[3:39:59] drought uh that we've been uh

[3:40:01] experiencing in the in the upper Basin

[3:40:04] the Colorado River is has reached some

[3:40:07] near-record uh low flows uh especially

[3:40:10] over this last

[3:40:12] um

[3:40:13] winter

[3:40:14] and our office saw this as an

[3:40:17] opportunity

[3:40:18] to go and Sample at an extremely low

[3:40:21] flow in the Colorado River

[3:40:24] with the the idea that this would give

[3:40:26] us the best chance of seeing

[3:40:29] um any salt that was derived from the

[3:40:32] Paradox formation brines discharging

[3:40:35] into the Colorado River and so uh Chris

[3:40:37] Bukowski and his team went out and

[3:40:39] sampled in March earlier this year when

[3:40:42] the river was discharging at 2400 cubic

[3:40:45] feet per second at Cisco

[3:40:47] um and this was just an ad hoc type of a

[3:40:50] an exercise with a

[3:40:52] um a water quality Sun mounted to a

[3:40:55] weighted troll

[3:40:58] and we essentially were out fishing for

[3:41:02] salt

[3:41:03] um

[3:41:04] and

[3:41:06] what we the way that we kind of targeted

[3:41:08] our our ad hoc sampling was to use data

[3:41:12] that was produced by Phil Gardner

[3:41:15] um more than a decade ago in his

[3:41:17] master's thesis that identified areas he

[3:41:20] felt would be hot spots where uh Brian

[3:41:23] would potentially be discharging into

[3:41:25] the river and those were shown here on

[3:41:27] the figure there was also

[3:41:29] electromagnetic induction studies that

[3:41:32] were that were done uh with this past

[3:41:34] USGS study that identified this section

[3:41:37] of the bank of the Colorado River as a

[3:41:39] potential hot spot for where Brian may

[3:41:41] be discharging into the river

[3:41:44] and so Chris really kind of went out and

[3:41:46] targeted those areas uh with Point

[3:41:48] measurements and these uh measurements

[3:41:50] this is just a Google Earth image

[3:41:52] um with uh specific conductance

[3:41:55] um results uh plotted on on the map

[3:41:59] um as you come into the valley the the

[3:42:01] river uh has a conductive signature

[3:42:04] around 1440 micro Siemens per Center

[3:42:07] centimeter obviously there's some error

[3:42:10] associated with

[3:42:11] environmental sampling there's a scatter

[3:42:15] here but for the most part these are

[3:42:17] very consistent specific conductance

[3:42:19] readings all down through this section

[3:42:21] of the river and as you approach this bank that was identified by the

[3:42:25] electromagnetic inductance

[3:42:27] studies uh Chris was able to

[3:42:32] very uh

[3:42:34] positively identify areas of the river

[3:42:38] that were impacted by uh salt discharge

[3:42:42] from uh the brine layer of the masses

[3:42:44] and wetlands these um were persistent

[3:42:47] for uh the whole height of the water

[3:42:51] column on the Moab Bank of the river

[3:42:54] um and we're persistent all the way down

[3:42:57] through the Confluence with with Mill

[3:42:59] Creek he also took some

[3:43:02] um readings in the River Post Spanish

[3:43:06] Valley down here near the portal

[3:43:09] um and we see uh specific conductance

[3:43:11] values elevated uh essentially 10

[3:43:14] microsiemens uh per centimeter or more

[3:43:16] above what is coming into the valley now

[3:43:20] those you know those values seem you

[3:43:23] know not very large

[3:43:25] um but the the the load uh of salt

[3:43:30] required to raise uh 2500 cubic feet per

[3:43:34] second essentially 10 Micro Siemens per

[3:43:37] centimeter is not insignificant

[3:43:40] um and so this this finding is of of

[3:43:42] concern uh to various users uh in the

[3:43:46] region uh specifically those who

[3:43:48] participate in the Colorado River

[3:43:49] salinity control program

[3:43:53] and this is just a more zoomed in

[3:43:54] version of the previous

[3:43:56] um study or a previous

[3:43:58] um slide

[3:43:59] and so

[3:44:01] part of this uh proposed work is to go

[3:44:03] and actually do a quantitative measure

[3:44:06] of load

[3:44:07] um essentially replicate what Chris did

[3:44:09] in a much more rigorous way to actually

[3:44:12] calculate what the

[3:44:14] total load at low flow

[3:44:17] contribution of the Spanish Valley

[3:44:19] brines is to the river

[3:44:22] um

[3:44:23] that's of interest to The Forum and I

[3:44:25] think it's of interest to many other

[3:44:26] parties in addition to that the part of

[3:44:29] this proposal is to better uh is

[3:44:32] essentially fill data gaps identified by

[3:44:35] the Utah Geological Survey with their

[3:44:39] study

[3:44:40] and these polygons were produced by Utah

[3:44:43] Geological Survey as areas that could

[3:44:47] should be expanded in terms of

[3:44:49] additional monitoring Wells that should

[3:44:51] be installed in these areas

[3:44:54] to better refine their monitoring

[3:44:56] program as well as for us to better

[3:44:59] understand the surface of the of the

[3:45:02] freshwater brine interface

[3:45:04] based on the work that I just showed we

[3:45:06] would probably want additional wells in

[3:45:08] this area down here where we know based

[3:45:12] on Chris rockowski's work that we have a

[3:45:14] discharge of Brian into the river

[3:45:18] um

[3:45:19] you've been this uh distributed The

[3:45:21] Proposal that I've been working on

[3:45:24] um here for the last eight or nine

[3:45:26] months I presented

[3:45:28] um this to various

[3:45:30] user groups in the area the more on very

[3:45:32] water partnership city

[3:45:34] um and now the county

[3:45:37] um this is a Cooperative lease uh funded

[3:45:41] proposal

[3:45:43] um with half of well roughly half of the

[3:45:47] uh the proposed amount being funded by

[3:45:50] the uh salinity control program via a

[3:45:53] bureau of wreck that shows up here is

[3:45:55] the 60 67 500.

[3:45:59] um with uh the other half being split

[3:46:02] between the USGS and a conglomerate of

[3:46:06] Utah State Cooperators specifically the

[3:46:10] Utah State Engineers office as well as

[3:46:13] Water Resources

[3:46:15] so that's 45

[3:46:17] 000 is the total that would be

[3:46:21] um split between the Utah Cooperative

[3:46:23] agencies

[3:46:25] um the second part of it to drill all

[3:46:27] the monitoring Wells

[3:46:29] um there's also a small scale pump test

[3:46:33] associated with the new wells

[3:46:36] the pump test is designed to expand the

[3:46:39] understanding that we have the Utah

[3:46:42] Geological Survey has been working on to

[3:46:45] essentially see how susceptible the

[3:46:47] freshwater brine interface is to

[3:46:50] dewatering of the freshwater aquifer

[3:46:53] above it so it would be a very small

[3:46:56] scale test to look at that relationship

[3:46:58] but that would be included in this cost

[3:47:01] and with that I'll take questions

[3:47:18] um can you talk a little bit more about

[3:47:20] the pump test I am what what does that

[3:47:23] look like and what does it tell us

[3:47:27] well the pump test would essentially

[3:47:28] just be so we would uh Place one of

[3:47:32] these monitoring the new monitoring uh

[3:47:34] sites that would be drilled near an

[3:47:37] existing monitoring Network or a

[3:47:39] monitoring well so that we could look at

[3:47:44] um I mean the original proposal was to

[3:47:47] do this at a much larger scale

[3:47:49] um there's a lot of red tape associated

[3:47:51] with doing a large scale pump test as

[3:47:53] well as environmental concerns that

[3:47:55] close to Wetlands

[3:47:57] um and so we

[3:47:58] um we throttled that back a little bit

[3:48:01] um to not have to to deal with that in

[3:48:04] the on the front go of this but

[3:48:06] essentially dewatering if

[3:48:09] how this interface

[3:48:12] changes uh relative to how much fresh

[3:48:16] water uh

[3:48:20] how much fresh groundwater sits above

[3:48:22] the brine is unknown

[3:48:24] this is the

[3:48:26] uh

[3:48:27] piece of of all of this work that our

[3:48:31] office did as well as ugs has done that

[3:48:34] is really unknown and makes uh some

[3:48:37] folks a little uneasy that it

[3:48:40] if fresh water consumption

[3:48:42] um in the valley were to increase would

[3:48:45] that change the elevation of the

[3:48:47] freshwater brine interface in the in the

[3:48:50] wetlands and with that change in in

[3:48:54] elevation uh an increased discharge of

[3:48:56] Brian into the river so the pump test is

[3:48:58] supposed to mimic that phenomenon on a

[3:49:01] small scale

[3:49:04] thank you

[3:49:15] so this uh proposal really is goes to um

[3:49:18] look at the salinity levels in the

[3:49:20] Colorado more than anything else where's

[3:49:21] the other one is does that make sense

[3:49:23] Mary

[3:49:24] yeah

[3:49:28] it's both because well there's also is

[3:49:30] that five new one new monitoring Wells

[3:49:31] that would

[3:49:34] that which we make the logo match

[3:49:37] correct

[3:49:39] and would those have long-term data

[3:49:42] collections

[3:49:43] associated

[3:49:45] they would be added to the ugf network

[3:49:48] um

[3:49:50] and for as long as ugs plans to monitor

[3:49:54] them I do I can say this on behalf of

[3:49:58] the Forum

[3:49:59] um they themselves are very interested

[3:50:02] in the long-term monitoring program

[3:50:04] associated with this

[3:50:07] so this would dovetail with the ugs

[3:50:09] study

[3:50:11] and correct expand it sounds like so it

[3:50:14] does they do

[3:50:19] and Mark would you chime in here or is

[3:50:22] are is your office gonna participate in

[3:50:25] the co-op match

[3:50:27] we are encouraging them to yes

[3:50:30] um I would like to see our office put

[3:50:32] some money into this we're stretched

[3:50:34] pretty thin right now but we're

[3:50:36] continuing to advocate for it

[3:50:38] um what Thomas proposed is again goes to

[3:50:42] the heart of the question if we develop

[3:50:44] more fresh water

[3:50:45] groundwater up the valley is it going to

[3:50:48] somehow impact

[3:50:50] the wetlands you know if we remove more

[3:50:53] of the freshwater layer

[3:50:55] that's sitting on top of the brine

[3:50:57] what's going to happen well we don't

[3:50:59] know the answer to that question

[3:51:01] and so that's what we're trying to get

[3:51:03] at with these type of studies

[3:51:06] um this is an important question to

[3:51:09] answer for both Moab City Grand county

[3:51:11] and San Juan County there's a limited

[3:51:13] amount of groundwater left to use

[3:51:15] and

[3:51:17] if the major water users stakeholders in

[3:51:21] the in the valley want to continue to

[3:51:23] develop it

[3:51:24] we would like to do so in a in a manner

[3:51:27] that doesn't

[3:51:28] negatively impact

[3:51:31] the wetlands and other water users and

[3:51:34] the Colorado River for that matter too

[3:51:36] yeah Mary uh how long do these studies

[3:51:41] go before we get any uh report as to

[3:51:44] what is learned

[3:51:47] how many over how many years

[3:51:54] the synoptic study essentially in the

[3:51:56] river we would have data back quickly so

[3:51:59] that work was proposed to start this

[3:52:01] winter

[3:52:03] um the drilling uh side of this really

[3:52:06] hinges on Drillers scheduled

[3:52:08] um and with uh drought in the west uh

[3:52:12] Drillers are under incredible time right

[3:52:15] now

[3:52:17] okay

[3:52:19] we've already marked we've already

[3:52:21] broached this so the city of Moab has

[3:52:24] been approached has San Juan County been

[3:52:26] approached to be a partner in these and maybe I just missed it I'm sorry

[3:52:30] yes both Moab City and San Juan County

[3:52:33] have been approached and both have said

[3:52:36] yes kind of so we need to go back to him

[3:52:39] again

[3:52:40] and uh and do just what we're doing here

[3:52:43] get in a commission meeting with them

[3:52:47] it's an important issue and it's an

[3:52:49] important question and you need to be a

[3:52:51] partner in it

[3:52:52] so they have not written a check is what

[3:52:54] you're saying correct yeah

[3:52:59] we'll be the leaders yeah sure

[3:53:03] yeah you guys are always the leaders on

[3:53:06] it

[3:53:08] I'm very good we appreciate it

[3:53:18] yeah sorry

[3:53:20] people that are watching them sure I I

[3:53:23] just wanted to add that uh in terms of

[3:53:25] when the information will be available

[3:53:27] for our project uh we're looking at

[3:53:30] early 2024 early to mid 20s publishing

[3:53:34] the final

[3:53:35] results and that will include

[3:53:36] recommendations for ongoing

[3:53:39] that's that's thank you great thank you

[3:53:43] [Music]

[3:53:45] all right any other questions for Tom or

[3:53:48] Mark

[3:53:52] all right looks like um yeah looks like

[3:53:54] that's it thank you so much guys thank

[3:53:57] you thanks Mark yeah

[3:54:03] okay all right

[3:54:06] okay moving on that is it for

[3:54:09] presentations we're uh we don't have any

[3:54:12] agency reports we are up to

[3:54:16] uh ratification of payment of bills uh

[3:54:19] total Grant County bills the amount of

[3:54:22] 630

[3:54:24] 359.38 uh total Grand cany payroll in

[3:54:28] the amount of 323

[3:54:30] 870.60 for uh total bills and payroll in

[3:54:34] the amount of nine hundred fifty four

[3:54:36] thousand two hundred twenty nine dollars

[3:54:38] and 98 cents so moved extra second

[3:54:43] all right any discussion on bills

[3:54:47] saying no no call for a vote on the

[3:54:48] motion all in favor

[3:54:50] motion passes seven to nothing

[3:54:54] all right

[3:55:01] um we are up to General reports

[3:55:04] commission member disclosures anybody

[3:55:06] have anything that they need to disclose

[3:55:08] about uh today's agenda

[3:55:12] yes Josie oh I will uh generally

[3:55:15] disclose that in discussion and possible

[3:55:18] motions around special events and

[3:55:20] special events ordinance that I am

[3:55:21] employed by a special event in town and

[3:55:25] one that is in consideration for the

[3:55:27] quarterly ITA review

[3:55:29] I've been the mode of Music Festival

[3:55:31] great thanks Josie Sarah

[3:55:34] um my sister has is one of the

[3:55:37] applicants listed for receiving funds

[3:55:39] from the star star grants

[3:55:42] thank you

[3:55:44] all right

[3:55:46] um

[3:55:47] General commissioner reports in future

[3:55:48] considerations and uh

[3:55:50] see I'll start with the other end over

[3:55:53] there Sarah

[3:55:56] all right I had a lot going on but not

[3:55:59] many meetings

[3:56:00] um

[3:56:03] oh yes I attended the free health clinic

[3:56:06] tour and what an amazing resource for

[3:56:08] the community it's so exciting and it's

[3:56:11] nice just to see that space being

[3:56:14] developed

[3:56:15] um

[3:56:16] yeah

[3:56:17] it was amazing

[3:56:20] and that's all yeah all right perfect

[3:56:24] Kevin

[3:56:26] um I have attended a couple of budget

[3:56:29] advisory report meetings since we last

[3:56:31] spoke but I will not bore you with the

[3:56:33] details we'll get to review that later

[3:56:36] um and I think other things I've been

[3:56:38] working on are be going to be covered in

[3:56:40] other agent items

[3:56:41] great thanks Kevin Josie

[3:56:45] yeah just a couple things

[3:56:47] um on the 10th I attended the

[3:56:50] candlelight vigil at City Hall

[3:56:53] um for indigenous people's day but more

[3:56:55] specifically

[3:56:56] um to uh

[3:57:00] to honor uh missing and murdered

[3:57:02] indigenous women which is a ongoing

[3:57:05] issue that was wonderful to Spotlight uh

[3:57:08] the next day on the 11th I also went on

[3:57:10] the kind of new Health Campus tour with

[3:57:12] the Moab free health clinic and I Echo

[3:57:14] what Sarah said that it's just really

[3:57:17] exciting I think that that spot nothing

[3:57:20] better could have happened at that

[3:57:22] location and I think that they are

[3:57:24] thinking big and

[3:57:25] um and kind of throwing that intention

[3:57:28] out there and then getting the financial

[3:57:30] support and the actual you know means to

[3:57:33] do it and so I think it's incredibly

[3:57:34] exciting and I can't wait to see how it

[3:57:37] all shapes up and it's moving pretty

[3:57:38] fast I would say

[3:57:40] um

[3:57:41] things don't always

[3:57:43] um and then the next day on the 12th

[3:57:47] um the events committee kind of worked

[3:57:51] through initially the intent to apply

[3:57:54] process which we are which we've already

[3:57:57] talked about for a couple hours in which

[3:57:59] we will talk about further in the

[3:58:01] meeting and

[3:58:03] um let's see the Four Corners Community

[3:58:06] Health board meeting is still yet to

[3:58:08] come but if you haven't seen their

[3:58:10] Flyers they're having a 50th anniversary

[3:58:13] celebration by screening a free movie in

[3:58:16] Suwannee Park I believe they are showing

[3:58:17] Greece and want people to dress up

[3:58:19] accordingly and that's on October 28th

[3:58:22] at 7 pm

[3:58:25] greases that we said Greece

[3:58:28] awesome

[3:58:34] I'll try to keep mine quick uh Cemetery

[3:58:38] had their uh new board member and their

[3:58:41] first meeting so that was nice to uh get

[3:58:44] to meet them and kind of bring them up

[3:58:45] to speed with kind of General operations

[3:58:48] and uh what the board does uh the big

[3:58:51] takeaway from that meeting was concerns

[3:58:54] around flooding in the cemetery there

[3:58:57] was some damage done at the first flood

[3:58:59] and then in subsequent rainstorms there

[3:59:01] has been additional flooding so uh some

[3:59:04] repairs have been put on hold and

[3:59:07] um the road department has been out

[3:59:09] there kind of working on some of the

[3:59:11] culverts uh which are adjacent to Sunset

[3:59:14] Memorial and hopefully that that

[3:59:16] addresses some of the flooding that's

[3:59:18] been happening

[3:59:20] uh which has unfortunately led to Sunken

[3:59:23] Graves uh

[3:59:25] tilted headstones and the like and so

[3:59:28] hopefully we can get that dialed in so

[3:59:30] that that's uh not a ongoing issue with

[3:59:33] additional rains and now with the health

[3:59:36] department the health district we had a

[3:59:39] the same presentation from the free

[3:59:41] health clinic that we had at at our

[3:59:44] previous meeting

[3:59:45] um and they're just and the health

[3:59:49] district is working on their budget

[3:59:52] season so those meetings will be uh have

[3:59:54] been posted as open public meetings uh

[3:59:56] they'll be going on the next few weeks

[3:59:59] and uh presented at the the November

[4:00:03] regular scheduled meeting uh met with uh

[4:00:07] Ems for today

[4:00:09] um they approved adopted I forget the

[4:00:13] term my apologies that started early

[4:00:16] this morning uh their tentative budget

[4:00:19] for 2023.

[4:00:21] um

[4:00:21] there was some good moves made to try to

[4:00:26] cover some of the gaps in Staffing and

[4:00:29] there was a discussion around

[4:00:31] a cola there with no final decision made

[4:00:36] on on what that amount would be just yet

[4:00:39] or nothing set in stone I should say

[4:00:42] I believe that that's all I got

[4:00:45] great thanks Trish I just had the only

[4:00:48] thing I did was I went to a flood relief

[4:00:50] meeting with Ben and that was it and I

[4:00:52] went hunting all right I've been a

[4:00:54] slacker

[4:00:56] Mary

[4:00:58] um on the I went on the same tour

[4:01:02] it was wonderful uh on the 11th it was

[4:01:05] travel council meeting at meeting and

[4:01:08] they discussed the priorities for their

[4:01:10] budget for next year uh the they have a

[4:01:14] good board they were very active and

[4:01:16] engaged so that was great to see uh

[4:01:20] budget advisory

[4:01:23] um

[4:01:23] go through all that the site future

[4:01:27] committee for the umtra project had

[4:01:30] their first meeting

[4:01:32] ah I attended it sporadically

[4:01:35] by zoom and uh had a meeting with San

[4:01:39] Juan County city of Moab and

[4:01:42] the three entities to talk about where

[4:01:46] we

[4:01:47] need to work together in the future and

[4:01:50] one thing we talked we talked about two

[4:01:52] things uh this fire department and also the noise from those machines

[4:01:58] that fly over

[4:02:01] motorized paragliders motorized

[4:02:03] parathiders and uh

[4:02:05] if we have a do an ordinance in Moab we

[4:02:10] have to make sure

[4:02:11] it fits into Northern San Juan

[4:02:14] so that's it

[4:02:16] yeah everyone's doing a good job with

[4:02:18] that I'll try to continue in the same

[4:02:20] vein

[4:02:21] um I attended a trail mix meeting

[4:02:23] um where we mostly discussed aspects of

[4:02:25] the labyrinth uh Gemini travel

[4:02:27] management plan as it pertained to the

[4:02:30] kind of the different user groups that

[4:02:32] make up trail mix

[4:02:34] um and I missed a couple of meetings I

[4:02:37] missed the tssd meeting in the motorist

[4:02:40] Trail committee meeting because I was in

[4:02:42] Cedar at the one Utah Summit put on by

[4:02:44] Governor Cox

[4:02:45] and uh that was my first real Excursion

[4:02:48] on behalf of Grand County and I thought

[4:02:51] it was great I I got a lot out of it

[4:02:53] made some connections and just kind of

[4:02:55] was able to see Grant County a little

[4:02:58] bit more as part of the the whole the

[4:03:00] big state

[4:03:01] um and uh look forward to continuing

[4:03:03] doing that kind of thing and and making

[4:03:06] connections at the at the state level

[4:03:08] for sure

[4:03:10] and uh I also along with Mary and Kevin

[4:03:13] uh attended the joint San Juan County

[4:03:16] mob uh Grant County meeting yesterday

[4:03:19] and

[4:03:20] that's it short and sweet too

[4:03:23] so it is just after six o'clock so it's

[4:03:26] time for our second uh substance to be

[4:03:28] heard session is there anyone in the

[4:03:30] chamber who'd like to come forward and

[4:03:32] uh be heard

[4:03:35] is there anyone on Zoom who is uh

[4:03:38] present to make a comment

[4:03:44] doesn't look like it so we will move on

[4:03:49] to elected official reports

[4:03:52] um Gabe foreign

[4:03:55] Utah Summit last week I saw Jacques

[4:03:59] there

[4:04:00] um my main purpose in attending that

[4:04:03] Summit was because I concluded my

[4:04:07] experience in the

[4:04:09] inaugural group of the governor's office

[4:04:12] rural Utah Leadership Academy Utah rural

[4:04:16] Leadership Academy yeah that's it urla

[4:04:19] so I got to have dinner with the

[4:04:20] lieutenant governor and the governor one

[4:04:21] more time and and sort of uh make

[4:04:24] solidify the contacts that I made in

[4:04:26] that program and overall it was a really

[4:04:29] worthwhile experience and I think the

[4:04:31] governor's office in Southern Utah

[4:04:33] University for facilitating

[4:04:37] um I'm not sure who the grand represent

[4:04:39] representative might be this year I

[4:04:41] guess I have to confirm that

[4:04:43] um

[4:04:44] other than that public logic inaccuracy

[4:04:47] test was completed yesterday at 2PM so

[4:04:51] that's where we tested and um

[4:04:55] verified the proper functioning of all

[4:04:59] of the election equipment in our case is

[4:05:00] the express vote which is the name of

[4:05:02] our voting machine that we'll have out

[4:05:05] on the lobby as well as the ds-200 which

[4:05:08] is our tabulator and that's what we use

[4:05:10] to tabulate and comp up all the votes we

[4:05:13] run the ballots through those scanners

[4:05:17] um

[4:05:17] and as far as the election goes yeah

[4:05:20] there's a lot going on in my office with

[4:05:22] regards to that lot building up

[4:05:25] um I do know that

[4:05:27] the ballots we were sent to the post

[4:05:31] office at the end of day yesterday in

[4:05:34] Phoenix Arizona that doesn't mean they

[4:05:35] were mailed out yesterday because 18th

[4:05:38] today was the first day they could be

[4:05:39] mailed out

[4:05:40] but I would wouldn't be surprised if

[4:05:43] they were getting to Salt Lake already

[4:05:45] by this time and maybe who knows maybe

[4:05:48] your mailbox you know they'll be in

[4:05:50] mailboxes this week I'm quite certain of

[4:05:52] it I bet I can't make any promises of

[4:05:54] that of course okay

[4:05:56] and that's all I have thanks Gabe and it

[4:06:00] looks like our County attorney Sloan is

[4:06:02] actually I had a question for oh sure

[4:06:04] sorry Kevin so um yes sorry to Spring

[4:06:07] this on you in a meeting rather than via

[4:06:09] an email but have your do you think it'd

[4:06:12] be maybe at the next commission meeting

[4:06:14] just giving like a 10-minute summary of

[4:06:17] just all the election procedures and

[4:06:18] things like that I mean you know there's

[4:06:21] a lot of interest in those things and my

[4:06:23] experience has been the people who watch

[4:06:25] elections up close either in Grant

[4:06:27] County or San Juan County anywhere are

[4:06:29] impressed by all the the care that's

[4:06:32] taken to make sure that you know it's

[4:06:34] accurate and

[4:06:35] stuff so I just wanted to you don't have

[4:06:38] to respond but I was just throughout the

[4:06:39] idea that it might be good to

[4:06:41] publicize that more than it has been in

[4:06:43] the past thanks for this suggestion I'd

[4:06:45] be happy to

[4:06:47] all right all right uh Christina

[4:06:51] I did want to give a quick update mostly

[4:06:53] I've been home with covid so that has

[4:06:54] not been fun but I did get our answer to

[4:06:58] the Blue Ribbon Coalition and local ATV

[4:07:00] business complaint filed yesterday and

[4:07:04] we've created a new tab on the Grand

[4:07:06] County Attorney's website where we're

[4:07:07] gonna upload all the feedings and the

[4:07:10] discovery process is going to be really

[4:07:12] long but I expect some interesting

[4:07:14] information come out of that so I also

[4:07:16] plan to create a discovery tab so that

[4:07:18] the community can go there look at a

[4:07:21] bunch of different documentation related

[4:07:22] to the lawsuit so that that portion of

[4:07:27] the website is grandcountyutah.net

[4:07:30] slash attorney on the left side of the

[4:07:33] page there's some different links to

[4:07:36] different departments the county

[4:07:37] attorney's office is responsible for

[4:07:39] including the CJC and the Family Sports

[4:07:41] Center underneath that you're going to

[4:07:43] see Blue Ribbon Coalition there and if

[4:07:46] you click on that you'll see a little

[4:07:48] summary about the litigation and also

[4:07:50] the pleadings filed so far so that's the

[4:07:53] complaint and the answer I'll keep

[4:07:55] updating it

[4:07:57] thank you

[4:07:59] all right thank you

[4:08:01] um just look like there's any other

[4:08:03] electives on so uh commission

[4:08:06] administrator Mallory

[4:08:09] um I don't have much to report that

[4:08:11] hasn't been covered or won't be covered

[4:08:14] so okay Quinn do you have anything you

[4:08:16] wanted to report

[4:08:17] okay

[4:08:24] uh let's move on to the approval of

[4:08:26] minutes for the October 4th uh 2022

[4:08:29] County Commission regular meeting and

[4:08:31] the joint Planning Commission Workshop

[4:08:35] I make a motion to prove the minutes for

[4:08:38] October 4th 2022 regular meeting and

[4:08:42] Joint Planning Commission Workshop

[4:08:44] thanks Josh

[4:08:47] I'll second all right I have a motion to

[4:08:51] prove the minutes by uh commissioner

[4:08:53] Hadid and the second by commissioner

[4:08:54] Walker any discussion of the minutes

[4:08:58] seeing none will call for a vote all

[4:08:59] those in favor of approving the minutes

[4:09:02] and that passes uh six to nothing

[4:09:04] unanimously with commissioner began

[4:09:06] absent

[4:09:08] um

[4:09:09] all right we are on to General business

[4:09:12] action items uh and we'll start with

[4:09:15] item a Cooperative funding request from

[4:09:18] UTS for maths and wetlands study and

[4:09:21] presenting is commissioner stock

[4:09:24] luckily we had some

[4:09:27] x uh

[4:09:30] essentially

[4:09:32] coming to us for Cooperative funding

[4:09:34] requests

[4:09:35] um to help fund these studies

[4:09:38] and I wanted to give you guys a little

[4:09:40] background we have money budgeted and

[4:09:42] the commission discretionary fund

[4:09:45] and what we had set aside I got the

[4:09:48] breakdown from Chris

[4:09:49] um was fifteen thousand dollars for the

[4:09:51] pack Creek gauge which we spent this

[4:09:53] year we spent um

[4:09:55] 16 500.

[4:09:57] and

[4:09:59] 9600 of that is an ongoing expense

[4:10:04] for maintenance of that

[4:10:06] so next year they'll be that

[4:10:08] um and then we set aside ten thousand

[4:10:10] dollars for groundwater monitoring and

[4:10:13] seventy thousand dollars for monitoring

[4:10:15] Wells and all of this happened before we

[4:10:19] joined the National groundwater

[4:10:21] monitoring Network or before we were

[4:10:23] allowed to join

[4:10:25] we received a grant to be able to join

[4:10:28] the National groundwater monitoring

[4:10:29] Network and so I think when I had set

[4:10:34] aside 70 000 for monitoring Wells

[4:10:37] it was before we even knew of it

[4:10:39] existence or are like that we could

[4:10:41] actually apply for that program and in

[4:10:44] the long term that program will open

[4:10:46] this up to a world of funding for future

[4:10:48] groundwater monitoring Wells

[4:10:50] um and it just takes a few years to get

[4:10:54] established and then to identify your

[4:10:56] needs before you can do that so rather

[4:10:59] than diving right into

[4:11:01] putting out an RFP for somebody to study

[4:11:04] where we need a new monitoring well

[4:11:05] Americans like I just go for it I

[4:11:09] thought it would be better to just go

[4:11:11] through the national groundwater

[4:11:12] monitoring process and apply for future

[4:11:14] funds

[4:11:15] through that organization

[4:11:18] um so we have

[4:11:21] basically we have eighty thousand

[4:11:22] dollars kind of set aside Loosely for

[4:11:24] water monitoring water monitoring Wells

[4:11:26] that we're free to use and we don't have

[4:11:28] to use but that's there it was a little

[4:11:31] confused about their ask because there

[4:11:33] was a couple numbers so can you kind of

[4:11:36] clarify exactly what they're asking for

[4:11:38] right now for the Matheson study yeah

[4:11:42] um they're looking for

[4:11:45] 22

[4:11:47] 111 for this fiscal year okay their

[4:11:51] fiscal year

[4:11:54] yeah and then twelve thousand dollars

[4:11:56] for the next fiscal year

[4:11:59] something that Chris had brought up is

[4:12:01] that

[4:12:02] because our finances are great

[4:12:04] for this last year were

[4:12:07] we just we have the budget but next year

[4:12:11] our budget perhaps is going to be a

[4:12:13] little bit tighter yeah and so I had the

[4:12:16] thought if we feel inclined to fund the

[4:12:18] study we could just do it all this year

[4:12:20] because we have the money and that's

[4:12:21] what Chris suggested

[4:12:24] so base 34 111. yeah and just right now

[4:12:30] yeah and I mean we could talk about if

[4:12:32] that makes sense to fund that entire

[4:12:34] amount or a lesser amount

[4:12:37] I think it's a great study I mean it

[4:12:39] seems like like Mark was saying it's an

[4:12:42] essential piece to this puzzle that

[4:12:45] is very important for us to answer and

[4:12:48] as like Graham County why would Graham

[4:12:50] County fund this I think

[4:12:52] based on the fact that a lot of

[4:12:55] additional development as possible in

[4:12:57] Graham County and we're trying to do the

[4:12:59] right thing with lining our land use

[4:13:01] code to water use what we need though

[4:13:05] really is like Baseline data and the way

[4:13:07] to get that is through paying for these

[4:13:09] studies and

[4:13:11] so that's why I think it's it makes a

[4:13:14] lot of sense I guess the question I had

[4:13:16] I agree these studies are worthwhile and

[4:13:19] but I was a little bit confused about

[4:13:21] just how the costs are going to be in

[4:13:22] portioned between Grand County and Moab

[4:13:24] City and in other entities and maybe I

[4:13:27] wasn't paying close enough attention

[4:13:28] during the no what was it we're eating

[4:13:31] it okay

[4:13:32] yeah yeah with this one it seems like

[4:13:35] the city is not inclined to fund the

[4:13:37] Mathis and study at this time but though

[4:13:39] I'm not sure if they've made a final

[4:13:41] right final answer on that one okay so maybe we should just you know make a

[4:13:46] note to ourselves and next next time

[4:13:48] there's a studies funded we can find out

[4:13:50] right all three

[4:13:52] or alternatively we could say you know

[4:13:55] we'll fund up to a certain amount but

[4:13:57] encourage the coordinators of the study

[4:14:00] to make the same presentation of Moab

[4:14:02] City and things like that so that

[4:14:05] yeah and I mean

[4:14:07] the division of water right so it's

[4:14:10] contributed

[4:14:12] um

[4:14:13] yeah I could so the city of Moab has

[4:14:16] some of the oldest water rides in the

[4:14:17] valley and they're also the place where

[4:14:19] probably the less new water use is gonna

[4:14:24] right be required or less water is going

[4:14:27] to be required for future development

[4:14:30] so in a way Moab city is

[4:14:33] they're sitting on their old water

[4:14:35] rights and they're like we're here and

[4:14:36] we're gonna do what we are doing they're

[4:14:38] kind of a steady Force whereas Grant

[4:14:39] County there's more room for development

[4:14:41] I think it's Our obligation

[4:14:43] to help fund the studies that show us

[4:14:46] what our Baseline is that we're even

[4:14:48] working against

[4:14:49] um so that's where I kind of understand

[4:14:51] maybe why the city of Moab

[4:14:56] I'd rather that they fund

[4:14:58] a co-op match with this but I I do think

[4:15:01] it's our responsibility as as counting

[4:15:03] with the newer water rights but in in

[4:15:06] that same regard I think that San Juan

[4:15:10] Spanish Valley Special Service District

[4:15:13] should also be contributing funding to

[4:15:16] these studies

[4:15:19] I'm gonna go ahead and make a motion

[4:15:23] um

[4:15:24] so I moved to improve the Cooperative

[4:15:27] funding request

[4:15:30] um an expedient expediating funding that would make any did I just make that

[4:15:35] up explain it

[4:15:37] I expedite sorry about that the funding

[4:15:40] for 2023 and take it out of this year's

[4:15:42] budget for a total amount of thirty four

[4:15:44] thousand one hundred and eleven dollars

[4:15:47] for our fiscal year 2022.

[4:15:51] and then authorize the chair to sign all

[4:15:54] future documents that's not necessary

[4:15:56] anymore oh it's not okay even if they

[4:15:59] have to do an mlu we put it in our

[4:16:00] bylaws that it's assumed sorry I used to

[4:16:05] have to say it after every solution

[4:16:10] um thank you Trish all second all right

[4:16:12] I'm a motion by Trish in a second by

[4:16:13] Sarah any further discussion on this

[4:16:15] yeah I would just you know we're talking

[4:16:17] about entities who who uh aren't

[4:16:20] contributing at this time but there are

[4:16:22] a lot of other entities who are and so

[4:16:25] this this study isn't being funded

[4:16:28] solely by Grand counties this and I

[4:16:31] think it's nice to be a contributing

[4:16:33] member and as this is a a one-time

[4:16:36] expenditure and we we have uh the

[4:16:40] availability to do that in this year's

[4:16:43] budget I'm okay with it

[4:16:46] yeah well

[4:16:48] all right any more discussion seeing

[4:16:51] none I'll call for a vote all in favor

[4:16:52] of the motion raise your hand

[4:16:54] motion passes seven to nothing

[4:16:57] all right we'll move on to agenda Item B

[4:17:01] Cooperative funding request from the

[4:17:03] USGS for salinity studies and again back

[4:17:06] to uh commissioner stock

[4:17:08] okay so this one

[4:17:10] um like we heard from Tom Marston is a

[4:17:12] USGS study kind of in a similar realm

[4:17:16] they're in the Mathis sense but they're

[4:17:17] asking slightly different questions and

[4:17:20] adding some monitoring Wells

[4:17:22] part of this

[4:17:24] clearly is

[4:17:26] very important to Downstream water users

[4:17:28] the salinity load in the Colorado River

[4:17:31] and that's why the Colorado River

[4:17:33] salinity Forum has agreed to fund almost

[4:17:36] 67

[4:17:38] 000

[4:17:40] 500 towards new monitoring Wells but

[4:17:43] they need a local co-op match and the

[4:17:45] USGS can be a part of that but they need

[4:17:48] then local matches in order to

[4:17:52] at that funding so

[4:17:55] um I put in here basically

[4:17:57] when I put 19

[4:17:59] 361 that was kind of like the cap that

[4:18:02] gets us to seventy thousand dollars of

[4:18:03] spending

[4:18:05] this year on on these studies

[4:18:08] so

[4:18:09] I think we should probably do less than

[4:18:11] that um

[4:18:14] but I do think it's a good study and

[4:18:16] it's a benefit that we get monitoring

[4:18:19] wells in the pump test

[4:18:23] what was was there ask forty five

[4:18:25] thousand said am I remembering yeah they

[4:18:28] yep the co-op match would be 45 000. and

[4:18:32] like Mark said they've kind of maxed out

[4:18:33] their division of water rights funding

[4:18:36] um

[4:18:37] for the year but I think they've

[4:18:40] approached Moab City and

[4:18:42] it seemed like they had approached San

[4:18:43] Juan County as well

[4:18:47] um

[4:18:48] I I think maybe something like ten

[4:18:50] thousand dollars would be a good number

[4:18:52] but

[4:18:54] Jim do you want to make a motion Sarah

[4:18:57] well I have a quick question with

[4:19:01] so you said they need 45

[4:19:04] 000.

[4:19:07] what if they don't get it I mean that's

[4:19:09] what

[4:19:11] I tried to ask that question at the

[4:19:13] library Watershed partnership meeting it

[4:19:15] seemed like

[4:19:16] the USGS

[4:19:19] always operates at a

[4:19:21] like a 66 33 match

[4:19:26] with local Cooperators so

[4:19:29] I'm not sure if they would have to

[4:19:31] shrink their study maybe they wouldn't

[4:19:33] do the pump test part of it which

[4:19:36] honestly is the part that is maybe more

[4:19:37] relevant to us as good in our concern

[4:19:40] for the wetlands though

[4:19:43] all of it is gonna help

[4:19:47] explain that brain layer better

[4:19:50] well I'm not sure do I wonder if we want

[4:19:53] to put an emotion something to the fact

[4:19:55] that uh contingent on the funding they

[4:20:00] find the funding

[4:20:02] to do the project rather than just

[4:20:06] you know that way if

[4:20:08] something falls through on it which I

[4:20:10] pray it doesn't I really think it's an

[4:20:12] important study but then we won't lose

[4:20:15] our money

[4:20:16] but they also might be using this to

[4:20:19] inspire others right now they can go to

[4:20:21] their other these other entities and say

[4:20:23] we got this much from Grant County yeah

[4:20:25] we were given a phony Edge but if they

[4:20:28] can't if they can't do the study

[4:20:31] I think we need to let it know that okay

[4:20:34] we get the money back yeah well um I'm

[4:20:37] sure that that could also be written

[4:20:39] into the mou

[4:20:41] but okay we have to sign

[4:20:44] with them but I think that makes sense

[4:20:47] Mary that if the study's not gonna

[4:20:49] happen yeah or if we had the option to

[4:20:51] say this is to be used for the pump

[4:20:54] study portion right if that's what we're

[4:20:56] interested in

[4:20:57] if we're making an example of of

[4:21:00] donating to this to try to entice other

[4:21:02] local agencies maybe 15 000 would be

[4:21:04] appropriate so it would be one-third of

[4:21:05] the ask and then there's a couple other

[4:21:08] entities out there that might be able to

[4:21:10] contribute the same

[4:21:13] I mean I like that I do think we're in a

[4:21:15] good position that

[4:21:17] financially this year and we don't know

[4:21:19] about the future

[4:21:21] no I I will quibble about I mean any

[4:21:24] money we don't spend this year is money

[4:21:26] that helps us next year so I I think

[4:21:28] it's a little artificial to distinguish

[4:21:30] between this year and next year and

[4:21:32] spending money

[4:21:33] yeah

[4:21:35] but I'm here to present to you

[4:21:41] um well I'll just make that difference

[4:21:44] too right what will you cut the

[4:21:47] difference too

[4:21:48] 12-5

[4:21:50] yeah and I mean this funding was set

[4:21:52] aside in the 2022 budget so it's not

[4:21:56] like it's just coming out of thin air

[4:21:57] right and respecting we wanted so this

[4:22:01] would it were the 19

[4:22:05] 1361 mean that we've we've tapped out

[4:22:09] that fund actually I mean I that equals

[4:22:13] seventy thousand dollars but then we had

[4:22:15] I got the numbers a little bit late but

[4:22:17] then there was also this other ten

[4:22:19] thousand dollars for groundwater

[4:22:20] monitoring that was set aside so we

[4:22:22] still haven't spent at all

[4:22:26] um I thought we just had 70 000 but

[4:22:29] we do have eighty thousand dollars set

[4:22:30] generally aside

[4:22:32] but then I think we should fund the

[4:22:33] whole thing

[4:22:35] because the water is probably I mean

[4:22:37] that's a

[4:22:38] probably the most important thing in the

[4:22:40] not the whole thing the 19th excuse me

[4:22:43] you just use the entire amount that we have yeah overnight that she

[4:22:48] suggested in here because

[4:22:52] water you know and it's no no when she

[4:22:57] said the whole that I thought she was

[4:22:58] meaning

[4:23:03] that's why I clarified real fast

[4:23:09] no yeah I guess also I mean we did

[4:23:12] receive that Grant so there's

[4:23:15] um like 45

[4:23:16] 000 extra dollars of funding from the

[4:23:18] national groundwater monitoring just

[4:23:20] coming into the county for for

[4:23:21] water-mounted train just because we

[4:23:23] chose to be a part of that program so

[4:23:26] these are all good things

[4:23:27] I think

[4:23:31] do you have any idea how much

[4:23:37] I moved to approve the funding of a 19

[4:23:42] 361 dollars to the USGS for uh salinity

[4:23:47] studies on the Colorado River in Mathis

[4:23:50] and wetlands

[4:23:52] and authorize the chair to sign all

[4:23:55] Associated documents

[4:23:57] I second that all right I have a mission

[4:23:59] on the table by commissioner mcgannon

[4:24:00] and second by commissioner houdin any

[4:24:02] discussion on this I'm sorry I missed

[4:24:04] the amount it was it was the 19 361

[4:24:07] dollars

[4:24:09] yeah in the packet

[4:24:16] no discussion

[4:24:18] all right I'll call for a vote all those

[4:24:20] in favor of the motion raise your hand

[4:24:22] foreign

[4:24:24] I like the lesser amount

[4:24:27] but I wanted it to pass so yeah thank

[4:24:31] you Sarah for doing all that work yeah

[4:24:34] and I think it's better to be in front

[4:24:36] of the ball than behind it oh and I like

[4:24:38] being the example motion passes six to

[4:24:42] one with commissioner Clapper in

[4:24:43] opposition

[4:24:44] tell Marty to take that because others

[4:24:48] all right we will move on uh item C

[4:24:51] adopting ordinance repealing and

[4:24:53] replacing chapter

[4:24:54] 8.16 special events of the Grand County

[4:24:57] General ordinances and related ordinance

[4:24:59] number uh 658 Mallory

[4:25:05] we've discussed yes this is coming

[4:25:08] before you once again with some of the

[4:25:11] changes and we talked through at the

[4:25:14] last meeting and

[4:25:16] I think we feel good about it this time

[4:25:19] and are working on other things as the

[4:25:22] next steps that would align with this

[4:25:24] assuming it's um

[4:25:26] approved tonight

[4:25:30] um yeah I

[4:25:32] I've had a lot of conversations with

[4:25:34] Valerie about this recently and I think

[4:25:36] this is

[4:25:37] you know a big milestone in our handling

[4:25:39] of special events

[4:25:41] um

[4:25:41] I'm very happy that staff like Angie and

[4:25:44] Rachel were able to put together so much

[4:25:46] information for the hearing today and

[4:25:48] that went a lot more smoothly than I was

[4:25:50] expecting expecting so that was nice

[4:25:54] um and but yeah I want to especially

[4:25:56] thank Mallory because I think she's put

[4:25:58] a ton of time in it and I gave it a

[4:26:00] fairly careful read earlier today and it

[4:26:03] looks looks pretty good to me I mean I'm

[4:26:04] sure we're gonna continue to tweak it

[4:26:07] but I I feel good having this in place

[4:26:10] um I'll give others a chance to talk but

[4:26:13] I there are some small edits that I want

[4:26:15] to work into the motion so okay

[4:26:17] hopefully I can make the motion of the

[4:26:18] time and I'd also like to very much

[4:26:20] thank

[4:26:21] um County attorney Sloane for for

[4:26:23] working on this as well I think she

[4:26:24] worked pretty closely with Mallory and

[4:26:26] has been uh instrumental in yeah and and

[4:26:30] as well as Angie and Rachel too

[4:26:32] yep yeah definitely Christina should be

[4:26:35] included in the amongst the top ranks of

[4:26:38] people think definitely it's been a

[4:26:39] collaborative effort but but you guys

[4:26:41] have yeah done the Lion's Share the

[4:26:43] heavy lifting so thank you very much

[4:26:44] yeah it's been a been a long process

[4:26:47] and it will continue to be right

[4:27:01] okay so so I moved to repeal

[4:27:06] um chapter 816 special events of the

[4:27:09] Grand County General ordinances and the

[4:27:11] related ordinance number is 658 and

[4:27:13] adopt new chapters 8.16 special events

[4:27:18] and so forth

[4:27:19] um in the attached ordinance and its

[4:27:21] exhibit a with the following minor edit

[4:27:26] um

[4:27:28] it's me

[4:27:32] in Section 8 16 100 B

[4:27:37] Roman numeral

[4:27:39] um

[4:27:43] yeah numeral two

[4:27:46] um item c

[4:27:47] um should say local Origins sort of

[4:27:49] locally origin and item D

[4:27:52] um you know need to fix the

[4:27:53] capitalization that line so just just

[4:27:55] some typos but since might as well get

[4:27:58] them out of the way

[4:28:00] all right well there's the only edits

[4:28:02] come oh I should mention there were

[4:28:05] other edits earlier today so the unless

[4:28:07] you are downloading this thing as of

[4:28:10] about an hour ago when Mallory updated

[4:28:11] it there's some additional fairly small

[4:28:15] edits um compared to what was has been

[4:28:17] in the packet earlier just some

[4:28:19] misnumberings of sections and right or

[4:28:21] that got replaced by nand but nothing

[4:28:23] that really changes the meaning of the

[4:28:25] ordinance great

[4:28:27] right I have a motion by commissioner

[4:28:29] Walker

[4:28:30] second by commissioner Clapper

[4:28:33] um further discussion on special events

[4:28:34] ordinance I think one person we forgot

[4:28:37] to thank was Kevin he has been really

[4:28:40] the commissioner that's taken the lead

[4:28:42] on this and it's worked very hard

[4:28:45] obviously he's able to find those little

[4:28:47] teeny mistakes so thank you Kevin very

[4:28:51] much definitely thanks Kevin

[4:28:54] all right I'll call for a vote all those

[4:28:57] in favor of the motion raise your hand

[4:29:00] well

[4:29:02] so that when the and was fixed I can't

[4:29:05] get the book online to work and 060. the

[4:29:08] end was was fixed

[4:29:11] also in the workshop that that's what

[4:29:13] the commission wants

[4:29:15] I think so I I think it was clearly

[4:29:17] intent because of the following segment

[4:29:19] after that

[4:29:21] um so but but we didn't discuss it

[4:29:23] explicitly in the workshop

[4:29:25] um if you want to look at it if you

[4:29:27] refresh your main agenda then you'll

[4:29:29] have a correct link to the latest

[4:29:32] version

[4:29:33] the the discussion guys is in section

[4:29:36] 060 it lays out the characteristics for

[4:29:39] low impact events Kevin Went to make

[4:29:42] sure that was an and there was a

[4:29:44] conflict between two sections which

[4:29:46] meant you have to

[4:29:48] um meet all of those characteristics to

[4:29:50] be a low impact event what we were

[4:29:52] finding as we prepared for the workshop

[4:29:54] and in the workshop is that most events

[4:29:57] are going to the commission but you guys

[4:29:59] handled it really well today and so as

[4:30:01] long as you know today happened

[4:30:04] um according to what you thought would

[4:30:05] happen

[4:30:06] um then that's great if you want to see

[4:30:08] fewer events then you might want an or

[4:30:10] there instead of an and so it did seem

[4:30:12] to important enough to just

[4:30:15] I I think if we want to see fewer events

[4:30:18] changing to an ore is probably not the

[4:30:20] right solution because then you can have

[4:30:21] an event with a vast numbers of people

[4:30:23] that's causing closing all the roads but

[4:30:25] unless they check all four of those

[4:30:27] boxes they would be considered low then

[4:30:29] so

[4:30:31] um so I agree and we need to think about

[4:30:33] what events you know what's the dividing

[4:30:36] line between low and high impact events

[4:30:37] that I think

[4:30:41] is the right approach for the moment

[4:30:44] I'm comfortable with the end

[4:30:46] we just had a vote uh I don't think that

[4:30:49] changed anything so the motion passes

[4:30:52] unanimously

[4:30:54] and we'll move on to item D

[4:30:57] consideration of special event intent to

[4:30:59] apply submissions this is what we

[4:31:01] workshopped earlier uh Angie

[4:31:05] and Rachel Bartlett

[4:31:19] hello

[4:31:22] so I'll read

[4:31:24] um the motion as stated in the

[4:31:26] background and leave off explaining all

[4:31:29] the events yes

[4:31:31] I moved to approve the following special

[4:31:34] event a tip as applies for the first and

[4:31:37] second quarters of 2023 and or if

[4:31:40] applicable I moved to

[4:31:42] um event sponsors interested in holding

[4:31:45] an event in Grant County must submit an

[4:31:47] ITA the special event advisory committee

[4:31:50] SEC reviews all itas and determines if

[4:31:54] the proposed of it is high or low impact

[4:31:56] as for the special event ordinance high

[4:31:58] impact itas are reviewed by the County

[4:32:01] Commission at a quarterly meeting their

[4:32:03] reviews are scheduled based on the

[4:32:05] quarter the proposed event would be held

[4:32:08] and they are as followed

[4:32:15] okay

[4:32:17] um

[4:32:18] so uh just just a little bit more

[4:32:20] background so we did for people who were

[4:32:22] just turning in we did have a two-hour

[4:32:23] Workshop earlier today where we reviewed

[4:32:25] all the we put all the events in detail

[4:32:29] um and ended up approving most of the

[4:32:33] attempts to apply but but not all of

[4:32:34] them and according to our just passed

[4:32:37] special events award um ordinance we

[4:32:40] need to make findings for when we deny

[4:32:42] something so I'll incorporate that into

[4:32:44] the emotions that I make break him okay

[4:32:49] uh there was a additional email that

[4:32:53] came in since yeah and I I spoke with

[4:32:56] Angie about that and um

[4:32:59] it it felt to me like it's a little bit

[4:33:01] late in the game to be

[4:33:03] denying something based on

[4:33:06] past Behavior so I think there was a proposal that maybe

[4:33:12] we mixed things up a bit but um

[4:33:15] I don't know well we got that in our

[4:33:18] email yeah from home

[4:33:21] from a county attorney

[4:33:24] and the topic had come up before yeah so

[4:33:28] what one of the applicants I think they

[4:33:30] were in the table I'm looking at it was

[4:33:31] listed as an event that's been going on

[4:33:32] for a long time but they haven't always

[4:33:34] gotten the permit because of

[4:33:36] disagreements about whether they needed

[4:33:38] a permit or not

[4:33:40] um there had been some conflict I think

[4:33:42] in the past

[4:33:44] so

[4:33:46] um so that didn't come up at our

[4:33:47] Workshop we didn't consider it but it

[4:33:49] got it was brought up afterwards

[4:33:53] um my my feeling in in anyone Angie you

[4:33:57] know please if you disagree please say

[4:33:59] so but I think for an event that's been

[4:34:01] operating for a while you know with or

[4:34:02] without a permit if we're gonna shut it

[4:34:05] down there's kind of a higher standard

[4:34:06] for you know the reasons we need in the

[4:34:08] documentation we need and just based on

[4:34:11] the information that I've seen in the

[4:34:12] email

[4:34:13] um I didn't feel comfortable doing that

[4:34:16] so I Mike

[4:34:21] do you have anything to add Angier well

[4:34:23] and I just wanted to put it there based

[4:34:26] on one event holder over another event

[4:34:28] holder if one's going to be denied I'd

[4:34:31] rather deny the one

[4:34:34] that

[4:34:35] has caused some conflict versus one who

[4:34:38] has

[4:34:40] whether regardless of their history

[4:34:44] they both have history

[4:34:45] one just wants to add

[4:34:48] another recipe

[4:34:53] and again I feel I think when we're I

[4:34:57] haven't made the motion yet but the um

[4:34:59] the itas that were not not approving are

[4:35:03] both for new events that haven't

[4:35:04] operated here before though in one case

[4:35:06] it's someone who's operated a different

[4:35:09] event at a different time yeah

[4:35:11] um I just think so I think that's a pretty

[4:35:15] easy reason for denial but if you're

[4:35:17] going to say that hey you've you know

[4:35:19] you've been causing problems in the past

[4:35:22] I I guess I would just want to have that

[4:35:24] written up better and be familiar with

[4:35:26] that written record before actually

[4:35:28] denying the event

[4:35:29] so that that is why I'm not comfortable

[4:35:33] knowing that you know if this had come

[4:35:35] up a week ago and maybe we

[4:35:37] could familiarize ourselves but um

[4:35:39] I'm wondering if we could uh approve it

[4:35:43] uh with it on probation

[4:35:48] the the um

[4:35:51] okay sure

[4:35:53] that way we if you know okay I'll add

[4:35:58] that to the emotion that we have

[4:36:00] concerns about

[4:36:02] can you pass at that event and we're and

[4:36:05] so this is going to be watching closely

[4:36:06] or something like that or we we request

[4:36:09] that the special events committee give

[4:36:10] us a report due to a report on how that

[4:36:13] event goes this year because and what

[4:36:15] let me go back to my email what was your

[4:36:18] specific

[4:36:21] to clarify on that we've expanded the

[4:36:24] post event evaluation process I don't

[4:36:26] think we need to create a condition

[4:36:27] around that because everyone is going to

[4:36:30] have a closer look this time okay

[4:36:33] I was going to say I don't think we have

[4:36:35] like a probation process outline I was

[4:36:38] just trying to be accommodating we've

[4:36:39] had it in the past remember we had

[4:36:41] there's a review process but a

[4:36:45] I think when we said things are

[4:36:46] probationary events or probationary in

[4:36:48] the past there it was just kind of

[4:36:51] some Furbish to make us feel better

[4:36:54] now there's that checkbox for is the

[4:36:56] African in good standing and then the

[4:36:59] teachers

[4:37:00] right okay okay so can I go ahead and we

[4:37:04] have some please Kevin yeah

[4:37:06] um so I moved to approve the following

[4:37:09] special event special event intent to

[4:37:11] applies

[4:37:12] for this first and second quarters of

[4:37:15] 2023 and I will note the ones where we

[4:37:18] um

[4:37:20] added some conditions and I will also

[4:37:22] note the ones on the list that we denied

[4:37:24] and then I will list some findings so

[4:37:27] this is still part sorry about this game

[4:37:29] this is still part of the motion

[4:37:32] um Okay so we've got the list attached

[4:37:34] I'm not going to read all the ones that

[4:37:35] we approved but

[4:37:37] there were two that we denied one was

[4:37:40] the um number 18 on my list Grand Circle

[4:37:43] Trail Fest the other was the um number

[4:37:48] 25 on my list the new

[4:37:51] um Spring G Jamboree not to be confused

[4:37:53] with topology Jamboree

[4:37:55] which is the one that's been happening

[4:37:57] for a long time

[4:37:59] um

[4:38:00] so that's that's the list of approvals

[4:38:02] um conditions for the amazing Trail race

[4:38:05] uh we wanted a special events committee

[4:38:08] to work with them to Institute a shuttle

[4:38:10] system

[4:38:11] and um make sure the packet pickup and

[4:38:15] other activities other than the race

[4:38:17] itself are done in town rather than out

[4:38:19] of the parking lot

[4:38:21] s

[4:38:28] and for the um Live at Red Cliffs event

[4:38:32] um again we wanted this special event

[4:38:34] committee to work with them to Institute

[4:38:35] a shuttle system we found on the River

[4:38:37] Road

[4:38:39] and

[4:38:40] um

[4:38:42] and then finally some findings

[4:38:44] and I can email you this to you Gabe um

[4:38:48] uh the following findings were relevant

[4:38:51] to our decision about which events

[4:38:53] tonight

[4:38:55] um one the current list of regularly

[4:38:57] occurring events is weighted heavily

[4:38:58] toward running biking and motorized

[4:39:00] events to April and May are both already

[4:39:03] saturated with special events

[4:39:06] three we desire more variety in Grant

[4:39:09] County Special Events and for we give

[4:39:12] preference to events with an established

[4:39:14] track record

[4:39:16] um so that's the end of the motion story

[4:39:18] and then I'll just note that in in the

[4:39:21] special event ordinance that we um just

[4:39:23] passed you know there's a lot of

[4:39:24] criteria for what things we should be

[4:39:26] taking into account when approving or

[4:39:29] denying these itas

[4:39:31] um I in this findings I didn't list all

[4:39:32] of those things I just listed the ones

[4:39:34] that I thought were most relevant to the

[4:39:36] decision we made in case someone used to

[4:39:38] document you know why why we did this of

[4:39:40] course people can also just look at the

[4:39:41] tape for a much

[4:39:43] more detailed discussion yeah

[4:39:45] all right and I guess I should have

[4:39:47] gotten a second before talking sorry

[4:39:49] about that that's all right Mary just

[4:39:52] seconded so I have a motion on the table

[4:39:53] by Kevin there's a great and long motion

[4:39:56] Kevin good job second but Mary

[4:40:00] um further discussion on this and I will

[4:40:03] note that we did uh Workshop this for

[4:40:05] two hours before our meeting we went

[4:40:06] through everything fairly extensively so

[4:40:08] I feel pretty okay about it

[4:40:11] anyone add anything I guess maybe I this

[4:40:15] is the first time we've done this way I

[4:40:16] will just say a little bit more for just

[4:40:18] for members of the public tuning in um

[4:40:20] you know in Grant County we get a lot of

[4:40:22] special event applications

[4:40:24] um

[4:40:25] they're they are

[4:40:28] a you know bring people here which

[4:40:30] provides US economic benefits some of

[4:40:32] them you know provide opportunities for

[4:40:34] local participation or local

[4:40:35] entrepreneurs but that you know they

[4:40:37] also can cause crowding and disruption

[4:40:39] and so we're trying to in deciding which

[4:40:42] special events we approve you know just

[4:40:44] be more Mindful and

[4:40:46] deciding which ones we do so this is the

[4:40:49] beginning of that that process we've

[4:40:51] been discussing it for the last couple

[4:40:52] of years switching to this style

[4:40:55] um

[4:40:57] I I think this is an ongoing process and

[4:40:59] I think this first round we

[4:41:02] you know we didn't turn down any event

[4:41:03] that's been operating so just in case

[4:41:05] people think that we're turning down

[4:41:07] applications you know willy-nilly right

[4:41:09] and left that so far has not happened

[4:41:12] all the events that have been operating

[4:41:15] um

[4:41:15] got approved but you know we do have

[4:41:18] quite a few special events already so I

[4:41:19] think the distance of the commission

[4:41:21] during the workshop was that if we're

[4:41:22] going to approve a new event it'd better

[4:41:25] be offering something special like

[4:41:27] variety

[4:41:28] or you know incredible benefits or

[4:41:30] something like that

[4:41:32] um there were a few new events that we

[4:41:34] did approve just because they had very

[4:41:36] minimal impact near Moab there was a

[4:41:38] motorcycle event that operates out of

[4:41:40] Green River there were some races along

[4:41:42] the Kokopelli Trail

[4:41:44] um and so I think we for those those

[4:41:46] events which were technically high

[4:41:48] impact events but they don't have high

[4:41:49] impact right here in town

[4:41:51] um we were a little more doing this so I

[4:41:54] just wanted to for people who didn't see

[4:41:55] the workshop get that

[4:41:59] thank you

[4:42:01] a culture vote then

[4:42:03] um motioned by Kevin and a second by

[4:42:05] Mary

[4:42:06] um

[4:42:07] all in favor of the motion raise your

[4:42:09] hand

[4:42:10] and the motion passes unanimously seven

[4:42:13] to nothing

[4:42:14] all right Angie and Rachel thank you

[4:42:19] uh next up is item e star business grant

[4:42:22] 2022 funding increase uh then alter

[4:42:26] Economic Development specialist and

[4:42:28] August I assume is still online were you

[4:42:32] taking this one Ben I was supposed to

[4:42:34] text him when this comes out

[4:42:40] volleyball

[4:42:45] but I can answer any questions there are

[4:42:47] about this I'm happy to go over the

[4:42:49] background if there are I think this

[4:42:50] item is fairly straightforward this was

[4:42:53] the money that was moved over from the

[4:42:55] uh

[4:42:56] um the budget amendment a few weeks back

[4:42:58] and while I believe the intention was to

[4:43:01] allocate five hundred thousand dollars

[4:43:03] to this program it needs to be formally

[4:43:05] done so that is essentially what we're

[4:43:08] asking of this first time

[4:43:09] right yeah and we did move that money at

[4:43:12] a prior to prior mean I think it was it

[4:43:14] two weeks ago or is it a month ago

[4:43:21] thanks sir I moved to allocate 500 000

[4:43:25] of economic diversification transient

[4:43:28] room tax dollars

[4:43:31] uh to be made available during the

[4:43:34] September 20th 2022 Grand County

[4:43:36] Commission meeting

[4:43:38] towards the sustainability and resilient

[4:43:40] star business grant program

[4:43:44] sorry I read that slightly wrong you're

[4:43:47] fine I'm too deep in working on my

[4:43:49] legalese these days so

[4:43:51] I'll second that all right thank you uh

[4:43:54] motion by commissioner stock and second

[4:43:56] by commissioner hadeen any discussion

[4:44:01] great I'll call for a vote all those in

[4:44:03] favor of the motion raise your hand

[4:44:05] motion passes unanimously six to nothing

[4:44:08] with commissioner Clapper absent

[4:44:10] uh thanks Ben uh of course

[4:44:13] and it looks like you'll be up here for

[4:44:15] the next few items uh item F Award of

[4:44:18] sustainable and resilient uh star

[4:44:20] business grants

[4:44:22] back to you sure so

[4:44:25] um I I sent the commission an email a

[4:44:29] few hours ago that um due to just some

[4:44:32] pending concerns about water

[4:44:34] availability in Thompson we want to

[4:44:36] continue having discussions with Santa

[4:44:38] the attorney and probably John corkery

[4:44:41] just to iron everything out so I just

[4:44:43] want to make clear that we're not taking

[4:44:45] any way taking away anyone's award and I

[4:44:48] personally stand by the recommendations

[4:44:50] that the grant committee made and intend

[4:44:53] to see those through as best I can so

[4:44:55] Cena thank you for your patience with

[4:44:58] this process

[4:44:59] um so I've asked the commission remove

[4:45:02] ABC Thompson llc's award from any

[4:45:06] potential motion tonight

[4:45:07] I'm happy to talk about any of the

[4:45:10] awards

[4:45:12] um to the extent that I feel that I can

[4:45:14] we did have our evaluation committee

[4:45:16] members signed ndas to just so that we

[4:45:19] wouldn't be revealing confidential

[4:45:21] business information however everyone

[4:45:23] who is on this list tonight is aware

[4:45:25] that

[4:45:26] um you know parts of their project were

[4:45:28] made available so that you all could

[4:45:30] understand at a glance what it is that

[4:45:33] Grand County Economic Development will

[4:45:35] be funding the other note is that there

[4:45:38] will be another star business grant

[4:45:40] approval item of the first November

[4:45:43] commission meeting I didn't want to add

[4:45:46] anyone on here who didn't give me a

[4:45:48] verbal or email yes if they actually

[4:45:50] wanted their award which I know is crazy

[4:45:52] but just want to make sure so this is

[4:45:55] everyone who got back to me in time for

[4:45:57] The A Team deadline so we'll have some

[4:45:59] stragglers in November but I'm still

[4:46:02] working on the contract so it works out

[4:46:04] perfectly for me

[4:46:05] um so I'm happy to talk at length about

[4:46:07] the program any logistical questions and

[4:46:11] then I'm happy to talk to uh to speak to

[4:46:13] some length about the projects

[4:46:16] um that we had before us tonight

[4:46:19] all right if you'd like to ask Ben a

[4:46:21] question or maybe comment

[4:46:28] s hard work

[4:46:29] thanks yeah it's hard work for the

[4:46:32] people thank you Jacques yeah I was I

[4:46:34] was on on this committee there's four

[4:46:36] others on the committee I think um and

[4:46:38] then it was overseen by Ben you did a

[4:46:40] great job of facilitating everything we

[4:46:42] met for two full days and then had a

[4:46:44] couple of follow-up meetings

[4:46:46] um you know you're not going to get

[4:46:48] anything perfect but I think we did

[4:46:50] pretty good due diligence and went

[4:46:52] through and tried to apply an even uh

[4:46:55] approach to Distributing these yeah and

[4:46:59] I was just really impressed with the

[4:47:00] applications like people have some great

[4:47:02] ideas here it's really cool to see what

[4:47:04] some folks are coming up within the

[4:47:07] county to diversify yeah yeah it

[4:47:09] couldn't be more and I want to again

[4:47:11] thank the the committee for all the time

[4:47:13] they put in and might continue

[4:47:16] um as I call on them for for various

[4:47:18] questions

[4:47:19] just uh procedural

[4:47:22] and maybe Christina would be the one

[4:47:24] that answers I'm just wondering if when

[4:47:26] we make the motion we should uh say the

[4:47:29] amount and the company just for the

[4:47:32] record what do you think is that

[4:47:34] necessary

[4:47:36] for the minutes

[4:47:50] you're right I think Mary means does she

[4:47:52] should she states the amounts in each of

[4:47:55] the businesses

[4:47:58] I didn't that I just was wondering and

[4:48:01] Christina didn't chime in so I'm

[4:48:03] guessing it's not necessary sometimes it

[4:48:06] seems to be necessary to do the amount

[4:48:08] so we could say the amount of the

[4:48:12] 700 709

[4:48:15] 135 dollars but then it's not quite that

[4:48:18] it would be less 100 yeah

[4:48:20] said the last the 609. 600. I recommend

[4:48:28] um that you at least cite two in the

[4:48:30] specific amounts into the companies

[4:48:34] uh support in the package and it's all

[4:48:38] right there so I don't think you need to

[4:48:39] go through every single one

[4:48:42] okay

[4:48:46] yes I'll make I'll move to approve uh

[4:48:51] the grants following star grants

[4:48:54] excluding the hundred thousand to ABC

[4:48:59] Thompson LLC

[4:49:01] and the most uh the amount of money

[4:49:06] will be

[4:49:07] 609

[4:49:10] 135 dollars

[4:49:14] and did you mean to say that so the

[4:49:16] grants that are in the packet the grants

[4:49:19] that are in the packet

[4:49:21] excluding one

[4:49:25] all right should I repeat that sorry you

[4:49:27] did it well enough

[4:49:34] oh I'll second okay I have a motion by

[4:49:37] Mary to approve the the grants in a

[4:49:39] second by Kevin further discussion on

[4:49:41] the grants

[4:49:42] and and again this is the first batch of

[4:49:45] Grants right that and hopefully we'll be

[4:49:48] able to approve the rest of them at the

[4:49:50] next meeting and I'll add that at a

[4:49:52] future meeting

[4:49:53] um similar to the tourism parent it was

[4:49:55] just a bit easier because only seven

[4:49:57] Awards but I plan to present to the

[4:49:58] commission what our office learned from

[4:50:00] this and how we think we can tailor this

[4:50:03] program going forward

[4:50:05] um to better fit our diversification

[4:50:07] efforts because I think this was an

[4:50:08] awesome pilot we learned a lot um

[4:50:10] there's just a lot more to synthesize

[4:50:12] because they're more

[4:50:13] but that's coming right

[4:50:16] and and I just said before but I just

[4:50:18] wonder

[4:50:19] reiterate and correct me correct me if

[4:50:22] I'm wrong it's not we're not denying the

[4:50:23] grant to

[4:50:25] um

[4:50:27] ABC which just seems a bit premature to

[4:50:30] prove it now it might very well yeah and

[4:50:33] that that's partially on my fault I

[4:50:35] followed through with everyone who

[4:50:36] wanted to discuss it but it seems like I

[4:50:39] didn't include everyone on every

[4:50:40] conversation so we just need to button

[4:50:43] some things up so no no revoking at this

[4:50:44] time

[4:50:45] yeah

[4:50:48] all right

[4:50:50] um call for a vote all those in favor of

[4:50:52] the motion raise your hand

[4:50:54] motion passes unanimously and you do you do a great job yes thank you

[4:50:59] giving away money

[4:51:02] and it's just exciting it's so fun it's

[4:51:05] physically tiring but it's very fun yeah

[4:51:07] you guys get a chance

[4:51:09] work with him on one of the Committees

[4:51:11] it's pretty fun we're running out of

[4:51:13] Commissioners

[4:51:15] all right chiming in from The Ether but

[4:51:18] yes Ben you've done an amazing job and I couldn't trust I I wouldn't trust any

[4:51:23] well I could potentially trust other

[4:51:25] people but I trust you incredibly uh

[4:51:27] highly to take it take this on

[4:51:29] thank you and thanks to our applicants

[4:51:31] for putting their best fee forward it

[4:51:33] was it was a pleasure to go through all

[4:51:34] this and this is the outcome of many

[4:51:39] years of work by uh Chris Baird and

[4:51:42] myself and Evan and different people

[4:51:44] that went up to the Capitol and pounded

[4:51:47] those steps and it took us three years

[4:51:50] wasn't it three or four to move it so

[4:51:53] that now some of the trt tax goes

[4:51:56] directly to help people that live in our

[4:51:58] community

[4:51:59] yes you know that's I mean thank you for

[4:52:02] connecting the dots there because I

[4:52:03] think we do see you know statements that

[4:52:05] you know there's been trt reform and

[4:52:07] it's freeing up all this money and that

[4:52:09] sounds kind of abstract but now we're

[4:52:11] you know with this list of businesses

[4:52:13] and the money that's being awarded to

[4:52:15] them we're seeing you know you what that

[4:52:18] actually means on the ground here yes

[4:52:20] yeah it's money staying in our community

[4:52:21] and there's a there's a great

[4:52:22] multiplayer effect here as well that will do us well for yeah

[4:52:28] and I just just for the public uh

[4:52:31] there's going to be follow-up we're

[4:52:33] going to you know the they're gonna

[4:52:35] we're gonna make sure these grants are

[4:52:37] successful and that the money is spent

[4:52:39] as it was

[4:52:41] designed to be spent so it's not just a

[4:52:45] giveaway and then walk away

[4:52:48] right we're going to be watching it for

[4:52:50] a while

[4:52:51] all right thank you yeah thanks Ben and

[4:52:56] um we'll move on to item G approving uh

[4:52:58] Cooperative agreement between John State

[4:52:59] University and Grand County Utah from A

[4:53:02] Small Business Development Center sure

[4:53:04] So speaking of our grant programs this

[4:53:08] was a position that we had hoped to have

[4:53:10] in place by the time that we started our

[4:53:12] grant programs

[4:53:13] um fortunately for us Megan McFall who

[4:53:17] runs the SBD C out of Blanding for San

[4:53:22] Juan County has been pitching in for our

[4:53:25] County as well in the absence of having

[4:53:27] this role filled she's done an

[4:53:29] incredible job and she's learned a ton

[4:53:31] about our business community and so when

[4:53:34] we bring on this new role I think that

[4:53:36] we're assured that they're going to have

[4:53:38] very local relevant training in addition

[4:53:40] to Great Financial Training

[4:53:43] um the sbdc role that we used to have in

[4:53:45] the county was a part-time role and

[4:53:48] while it was of immense benefit to businesses it was clear that was something that needed to become

[4:53:54] full-time because especially with what

[4:53:57] Mary was referencing with the change in

[4:53:58] trt law we have so many more

[4:54:01] opportunities to work with businesses

[4:54:03] and see new Endeavors through it so with

[4:54:06] all that said we got together with us a

[4:54:10] year ago at this point and hammered out

[4:54:12] a plan for us to fund the role while

[4:54:16] still being maintained under the purview

[4:54:18] of USU as the sbdc rule usually is so

[4:54:22] that we could bring it to a full-time

[4:54:23] role at least for the next three years

[4:54:25] and then I think at that point we're

[4:54:27] going to reassess and see how it's

[4:54:28] working out and if that partnership will

[4:54:30] continue if that role should stay as

[4:54:32] full time I suspect it would be but you

[4:54:34] know that's for time to determine so

[4:54:37] we're excited to work with USU on this

[4:54:39] and um really stoked that the county

[4:54:41] wants to fund us this was something we

[4:54:43] talked about many months ago and I think

[4:54:45] it just got lost in boxes so

[4:54:48] happy to bring it back

[4:54:51] all right thanks Ben any uh any

[4:54:53] questions on this for Ben

[4:54:58] I have a question Ben sure I'm confused

[4:55:01] given our conversation do you need a

[4:55:04] resolution or do you not need a

[4:55:05] resolution do you just do the mou

[4:55:08] what are we approving so U.S just needs

[4:55:11] the mou

[4:55:13] um when I send it to you you put in

[4:55:15] resolution format and so I assume that was the best way to go forward on

[4:55:19] the County's end

[4:55:21] um if this is not the way to do it then

[4:55:23] we can just bring it back next

[4:55:24] commission meeting as just the plain old

[4:55:26] mou we got

[4:55:27] um I wasn't particularly sure about uh

[4:55:31] the difference in an mou versus a

[4:55:34] resolution for you know the County's

[4:55:36] purposes

[4:55:37] um so we don't we don't need the

[4:55:39] resolution so I think we just had a

[4:55:42] miscommunication about needing their own

[4:55:44] solution so if all you need is mou you

[4:55:46] don't need to bring it back mou is there

[4:55:48] it's the exhibited to the resolution but

[4:55:50] commission you you can instead of

[4:55:52] approving the resolution you can just

[4:55:54] approve the mou in the packet and leave

[4:55:57] it at that makes sense

[4:56:00] yeah and and I've reviewed this a ton

[4:56:03] with Christine who's an awesome job and

[4:56:04] I can confirm that the mou other than

[4:56:07] the letterhead essentially is reproduced

[4:56:09] exactly as exhibit a so that is what USU

[4:56:12] sent us and what they're expecting us to

[4:56:14] decide

[4:56:15] great

[4:56:18] I moved to approve the Cooperative

[4:56:20] agreement between Utah State University

[4:56:23] and Grand County for the purpose of

[4:56:25] establishing the Moab Small Business

[4:56:29] Development Center

[4:56:32] foreign

[4:56:42] yes excellent all right I have a motion

[4:56:45] to approve the mou by Mary in a second

[4:56:48] by Evan

[4:56:49] and uh uh

[4:56:53] would be spread out over the fiscal

[4:56:55] impact would be spread out over three

[4:56:57] years for up to a hundred thousand not

[4:57:01] to exceed yeah

[4:57:03] and is that from just general funding

[4:57:06] it's money

[4:57:08] um

[4:57:09] every question actually don't know

[4:57:10] August can you clarify it's from it's

[4:57:12] from trt economic diversification

[4:57:14] [Music]

[4:57:16] great

[4:57:20] any other questions or discussion

[4:57:22] seeing none I'll call for a vote on uh

[4:57:26] the motion by Mary in the second by Evan

[4:57:29] uh all there's in favor of the motion

[4:57:30] raise your hand

[4:57:32] and that passes seven to nothing

[4:57:35] thank you all all right thanks or thanks

[4:57:37] August and Ben thanks thanks so much

[4:57:47] thanks have a good night

[4:57:52] all right

[4:57:54] um item eight approving Board of

[4:57:55] Equalization hearing officer

[4:57:56] recommendations clerk hoytek all right

[4:57:59] so you'll see in the packet um

[4:58:02] provided a table of

[4:58:04] um Parcels that did go undergo in an

[4:58:09] adjustment as a as a result of an appeal

[4:58:11] with the hearing officer representing

[4:58:14] Grand County who is Randy Kelly he's

[4:58:16] worked with Debbie Swayze the assess the

[4:58:19] Grand County Assessor

[4:58:21] I think for 12 something 10 years or

[4:58:24] more now in that in that role was Grand

[4:58:26] County

[4:58:27] um and so presented in the table are

[4:58:30] those recommended changes from that

[4:58:31] process of of seeing hearings by the

[4:58:34] Board of Equalization I did get a chance

[4:58:36] to sit in on a couple of them

[4:58:39] um I'm not sure if Debbie is available

[4:58:41] on the call

[4:58:43] um if we're aware if anyone has any

[4:58:45] particular questions but the general

[4:58:47] breakdown is that there was a decrease in total market value of a

[4:58:51] million one hundred to seventy seven

[4:58:52] thousand five hundred and fifty three

[4:58:54] dollars

[4:58:56] and the taxable values decreased by

[4:58:59] amount of by the amount of three million

[4:59:01] seven hundred and ninety nine thousand

[4:59:03] nine hundred and eighty seven dollars

[4:59:05] and so the reason

[4:59:06] that maybe may look incongruous is that

[4:59:10] um uh in many cases the market value

[4:59:13] didn't was it changed as a result of

[4:59:15] this appeal but that but the taxable

[4:59:17] value was changed was uh was changed

[4:59:21] because it went from a second secondary

[4:59:23] to a primary and so that and so that

[4:59:26] means that the taxable values uh I

[4:59:29] believe it's 45 percent

[4:59:32] um

[4:59:37] uh discount is 45. yeah okay

[4:59:42] um so yeah and then the the certified

[4:59:44] tax rate

[4:59:45] um

[4:59:46] you know which was uh sort of proposed

[4:59:49] by the state and certified

[4:59:50] um by myself and and by you the

[4:59:52] commission

[4:59:54] um that so that certified tax rate

[4:59:57] applied to that um that decrease in

[5:00:00] taxable value

[5:00:02] um results in a decreased total tax

[5:00:04] dollars for all entities of

[5:00:06] approximately 39 941.66

[5:00:10] sense

[5:00:12] um so yeah and you know in looking at

[5:00:15] this and sort of considering how for

[5:00:18] example a Treasurer Kaufman typically

[5:00:20] presents items like this I'm thinking

[5:00:22] that perhaps in the future

[5:00:24] um a little bit of historical data could

[5:00:26] be really useful and illustrative for

[5:00:28] the Commission in terms of how many

[5:00:30] hearings happened maybe within the past

[5:00:32] 10 years and what these what these total

[5:00:34] amounts would be from year to year so I

[5:00:37] look forward as I continue in this role

[5:00:39] to think about those opportunities to

[5:00:41] provide better information to the

[5:00:43] commission I know Kevin in particular

[5:00:45] will appreciate it and you just took

[5:00:47] some words out of my mouth because you

[5:00:49] didn't fully preempt me so but I can say

[5:00:52] that with regards to last year

[5:00:55] um even though this is this reassessment

[5:00:57] that happened this year was in the city

[5:00:59] district and we did see quite a lot of

[5:01:01] increases

[5:01:02] um the amount of appeals and adjustments

[5:01:04] were relatively in line

[5:01:07] um I I can say from from last year which

[5:01:10] also saw a lot of increases just not in

[5:01:12] the city district

[5:01:13] uh any questions

[5:01:15] yeah well some of us just some comments

[5:01:18] for for next next time I just go through

[5:01:20] this having kind of a

[5:01:23] friend

[5:01:24] um would be useful but I think as you

[5:01:26] just pointed out

[5:01:27] um our you know every five year

[5:01:30] reassessment schedule is pretty uneven

[5:01:32] and so this was a big year with a lot of

[5:01:34] properties being reassessed some years

[5:01:36] it's just it's only the Hinterlands in

[5:01:38] the county and that's very different so

[5:01:40] it's so a year over year comparison

[5:01:42] isn't very useful

[5:01:43] um you know normalizing it by a taxable

[5:01:46] value is something could be helpful or

[5:01:48] going back five or ten years could also

[5:01:50] useful

[5:01:52] um

[5:01:52] I

[5:01:54] it seemed if I heard you correctly it

[5:01:57] seems like quite a lot of these are just

[5:01:58] people who got assessed as a secondary

[5:02:01] residence and they're saying no no I

[5:02:03] live here in this primary that that's

[5:02:05] two-thirds of it or something right or they may rent it to a primary

[5:02:10] resident yeah yeah okay

[5:02:13] um

[5:02:14] and then I guess

[5:02:15] it does seem a little I mean is there

[5:02:19] some confidentiality reason that we

[5:02:21] can't actually see addresses or just

[5:02:24] some kind of characterization like each

[5:02:25] of these items

[5:02:27] I remember going through that a few

[5:02:29] years ago and someone said oh yeah this

[5:02:30] was a hotel that you know they had a

[5:02:32] flood in One Wing and so they thought

[5:02:33] their valuation you know that that kind

[5:02:35] of information could be helpful or at

[5:02:38] least flagging the ones that are you

[5:02:39] know a little unusual

[5:02:43] I know I mean I just just one wants to

[5:02:46] get a feeling of what's going on and you

[5:02:48] know when these valuation changes happen

[5:02:51] and a big table of numbers doesn't help

[5:02:53] them

[5:02:54] you know and yeah the only thing I can

[5:02:57] think of is that you know the the tax

[5:02:59] bill records you know are essentially

[5:03:01] public record it's something that you

[5:03:03] can search up the only thing I can think

[5:03:05] of is that folks haven't even gotten

[5:03:07] their tax bills yet for this year and so

[5:03:09] perhaps there's an element of

[5:03:12] [Music]

[5:03:12] um

[5:03:13] perhaps there's an element of waiting

[5:03:15] until you know you know folks get their

[5:03:18] actual bill before it's sort of released

[5:03:20] to the public I'm not sure that's the

[5:03:21] only thing I can think of at the moment

[5:03:23] as to why um I have intentionally sort

[5:03:26] of followed the model of keeping you

[5:03:28] know what actually

[5:03:30] you know what it might be as much as

[5:03:31] anything is our our property tax

[5:03:34] software when I generate reports from

[5:03:36] that they um their the report that I use

[5:03:40] to create this generate this spreadsheet

[5:03:43] um actually doesn't include the um owner

[5:03:46] names it's just by parcel for that

[5:03:48] particular report so I think as much as

[5:03:50] anything it might be like you know the you know I I haven't developed the

[5:03:55] trick yet to associate the the owner

[5:03:57] names or the the addresses with the

[5:03:59] personal numbers yeah and even I mean I

[5:04:02] don't know that names are necessary you

[5:04:04] know addresses might be helpful but even if this were just somehow

[5:04:08] categorized like you know here's you

[5:04:10] know here the first block you know this

[5:04:12] is

[5:04:13] secondary to primary and then the next

[5:04:15] block is I don't know yeah totally and I think I took I took one small step in

[5:04:21] that direction by adding the key at the

[5:04:23] top which hadn't been offered in the

[5:04:25] past okay but but you're right I think I

[5:04:27] could even go further than that

[5:04:30] okay sorry to give you such a hard time

[5:04:32] no no that's totally great yeah

[5:04:37] any other uh questions for Gabe

[5:04:44] don't think we have a motion on the

[5:04:46] table yet we don't right I would move to

[5:04:49] prove the proposed Board of Equalization

[5:04:50] hearing officers recommendations

[5:04:52] resulting from taxpayer evaluation

[5:04:54] appeals during the 2020 to Boe hearings

[5:04:58] I'll second all right motion by

[5:05:02] commissioner Clapper second by

[5:05:03] commissioner Walker any other discussion

[5:05:06] on that

[5:05:08] seeing Nano call for a vote all those in

[5:05:10] favor the motion raise your hand

[5:05:12] passes six to nothing with commissioner

[5:05:14] stock absence

[5:05:16] and that ends our uh actually it brings

[5:05:20] us to the consent agenda

[5:05:22] um tonight's consent agenda consists of

[5:05:25] item a sole source purchase uh Eco equip

[5:05:29] Hydro media blaster

[5:05:32] um we also have applications to the

[5:05:35] Bureau of Land Management to renew Road

[5:05:37] rights of way uh ratifying chair

[5:05:41] signature on updated opioid legal

[5:05:43] representation agreement

[5:05:45] ratified Grand County Sub grantee

[5:05:48] agreement between Utah Association of

[5:05:50] family support center Incorporated and

[5:05:52] Family Support Center Grant County and

[5:05:55] lastly renewal of 400 East Highway 191

[5:05:57] billboard

[5:06:00] so moved

[5:06:02] and I'll second that all right motion to

[5:06:05] approve the consent agenda by

[5:06:06] commissioner mcgannon a second by

[5:06:08] commissioner Adin in a discussion on the

[5:06:09] consent agenda

[5:06:11] and we usually don't but I have two

[5:06:12] things when I Googled uh Hydro Blaster I

[5:06:16] came up with a bunch of Super Soaker

[5:06:18] squirt guns

[5:06:21] the record that's not what we're

[5:06:22] discussing

[5:06:24] uh

[5:06:31] right yeah and I'm I'm uh not a fan of

[5:06:36] billboards so that's the justification

[5:06:38] of the way I'll vote

[5:06:40] all right

[5:06:43] um on the subject you feel I'm not a fan

[5:06:45] of billboards either but if we are going

[5:06:46] to have Billboards which are very hard

[5:06:48] to get rid of because of state code I'd

[5:06:50] like them to be our Billboards rather

[5:06:52] than some random person's building so

[5:06:54] I'm in favor of us you know snapping up

[5:06:56] all the Billboards we can't

[5:06:58] I like it all right this discussion has

[5:07:02] persuaded me

[5:07:04] I have a motion uh to approve the

[5:07:07] consent agenda by commissioner McGann in

[5:07:08] the second by commissioner hideen all

[5:07:10] those in favor of the motion raise your

[5:07:11] hand

[5:07:12] and that passes unanimously

[5:07:15] excellent

[5:07:18] um

[5:07:19] go to entertain a motion to go I moved

[5:07:23] that we go into closed session to talk

[5:07:25] uh discuss uh pending or reasonable

[5:07:30] imminent dedication

[5:07:33] one second

[5:07:34] all right uh any discussion another

[5:07:37] motion

[5:07:39] all in favor of going into closed

[5:07:41] session raise your hand

[5:07:43] passes unanimously time is

[5:07:46] it is uh 709 P.M

10.18.22 Grand County Commission Workshop and Regular Meeting

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