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[14:01] all right I didn't touch that one all

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[14:31] facility

[14:36] just because

[14:38] okay I'll have to add that in yeah I

[14:42] mean yeah if it doesn't we have

[14:46] I know but I think you're right we

[14:48] wanted to try to come in the fields okay

[14:50] I'm like okay yeah it's like something

[14:53] we're gonna pay for it either way

[14:55] it's nice to have it appropriated right

[14:58] I missed a gas increase John in the

[15:02] questions that I just think of the

[15:03] questions yeah I was out all day okay

[15:07] great

[15:08] they've been working real hard today to

[15:10] answer questions so we'll run into

[15:12] tomorrow

[15:17] we'll review what I have today some of

[15:19] them

[15:21] um

[15:33] today I asked you if we can have two

[15:35] things

[15:43] um a little bit late I haven't heard

[15:45] from Mr Toro yet so I'm assuming she's a speaker I have to take back

[15:48] tonight so she's not coming she's not

[15:49] coming we haven't heard from her oh

[15:51] she's the YWCA speaker tonight I didn't

[15:53] hear from you yeah sorry Dora did

[15:56] mention that to me yesterday okay

[16:00] we're going to be here at six o'clock

[16:14] budget hearing session and tonight we're

[16:16] dealing with utilities Street lighting

[16:18] communication

[16:23] Mr Ferrari can you just give us another

[16:25] yeah

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[16:29] is about the department of development

[16:32] really comprises like a boring Sony

[16:34] appeals to our Planning Commission uh

[16:37] the growing Administration and the

[16:38] community began uh the total increase of

[16:42] the budget is about 205 000 for almost

[16:45] four different plans and as we go

[16:47] through it you can see what what the

[16:49] difference is

[17:02] Appeals

[17:15] um we also oversee the Community

[17:16] Development funding to put each year

[17:19] um and I think the one of the main

[17:22] increases is in our fees for service

[17:24] line and that is based on um it's an 80

[17:28] 000 increase based on our recent

[17:31] Community forestry management plan where

[17:33] there was a recommendation for the city

[17:35] to have an arborists on staff to really

[17:37] help us manage the removals maintenance

[17:40] and planting of trees

[17:42] um I know this is something that the

[17:44] mayor and the council has been very

[17:46] supportive of and rather than requesting

[17:49] for a full-time position as a memberists

[17:52] or starting with you know trying to

[17:54] consult with an arborist to get that

[17:56] process started as we work with ogs to

[17:58] actually implement the forestry plan

[18:01] um so that's the main thing there

[18:04] um

[18:05] we had two new positions this year well

[18:08] the assistant planner was a position

[18:09] that was vacated in 2018

[18:12] um when the person left so that was

[18:14] added

[18:15] um you know in this year I believe yeah

[18:17] we've got that Council and then the we

[18:20] just hired a new program an account

[18:21] clerk as well

[18:23] um to help manage the accounting we had

[18:25] beer of gender who retired this year

[18:27] um her title was the housing

[18:29] rehabilitation specialist I believe

[18:31] um but we just wanted to make a broader

[18:34] um the program counter who can help us

[18:35] with all the Hub stuff but also as we're

[18:37] thinking about arpa and what we're

[18:39] having to do for that Administration

[18:42] um so those are the main things

[18:45] are all these position and filled yes

[18:48] both the administration and Community

[18:50] finally we have a full set full style

[18:52] yes and it's it's really um been helpful

[18:59] open for questions

[19:01] go ahead please okay so um I know last

[19:04] year there was a position that you

[19:05] wanted to add and we had talked about

[19:07] that I think it was like an assistant

[19:10] um

[19:11] director I can't remember now oh the

[19:14] assistant director of development but

[19:16] did you switch that to a different title

[19:18] is that so that would be the Community

[19:20] Development supervisor that's

[19:23] um yep that position

[19:25] is in place

[19:28] um the former title was the program

[19:30] Catholic which had been removed from the

[19:32] budget when Vera retired we brought that

[19:36] position back because we knew it was

[19:38] something that we really needed someone

[19:40] to really oversee the accounts and I

[19:43] want to mention too that Vera was a

[19:44] part-time where this is a full-time

[19:46] position yes and and

[19:49] for 30 years old yeah or really for

[19:52] probably yeah the longest of anybody and

[19:56] so she just had so much institutional

[19:57] knowledge what she did at part-time was

[20:00] really not not what most people would be

[20:02] able to do

[20:05] can you address the other time on on

[20:09] their Community Development

[20:10] yeah so that was in relation to the

[20:14] increase in front

[20:15] of that through the cares act so all the

[20:17] management of the CV funds

[20:20] um our community uh I think it's the CD

[20:22] program monitor

[20:24] um that position had taken on a lot of

[20:27] additional responsibilities

[20:29] um but also the administration costs

[20:31] were accounted for in the CD funds it

[20:34] was nothing that the city ended up

[20:35] paying for that came through the grants

[20:39] um that were you know get given as part

[20:42] of the

[20:43] is

[20:51] 66 in

[20:55] it so it does seem I think um I asked Mr

[20:58] Ferrari for a list of all the new

[21:00] positions throughout all the apartments

[21:03] um and it does have two new positions

[21:06] but it sounds like they were already

[21:08] filled yes that's why they're not on

[21:11] their list because they're filmed this

[21:12] year no they're all they're on the list

[21:14] assistant

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[21:22] yes and within the last few weeks

[21:28] thank you

[21:31] and they're all films so how do we do

[21:33] that I mean we put it in the 2023 budget

[21:35] and we hire already

[21:38] okay we came to the council yeah we did

[21:40] a month ago okay you know we have the

[21:43] applications we like to move money for

[21:45] these positions

[21:48] if you remember the zoning officer that

[21:50] used to be in jail in the code's office

[21:53] and handling more of the enforcement

[21:55] side of it now we have the assistant the

[21:57] new assistant plan who's going to run

[21:59] the board of zoning appeals

[22:01] um

[22:02] as in on more on the planning side of

[22:05] building

[22:06] um so that we we did bring that for you

[22:08] guys for approval earlier in the year

[22:11] okay sorry

[22:15] so the zoning officer was replaced by

[22:18] the uh

[22:25] and these positions they were just

[22:27] filled within the last two to three

[22:29] weeks yes yes even though they were

[22:31] vacant for a long time ago

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[22:47] one thing I requested was an increase in

[22:50] salary

[22:51] greater than the four percent for

[22:53] managers um for our homes coordinator

[22:55] Bryce Brown III

[22:58] um I had requested

[23:00] a raise for him just given his impact

[23:04] and you know he gave them with the city

[23:06] on properties and how you know how

[23:08] successful that scientists and um so

[23:10] that was something I requested not

[23:11] knowing whether or not I could be

[23:13] populated

[23:14] um

[23:15] and so I see what's what's being um

[23:18] proposed what did you request I think I

[23:20] requested 65

[23:29] . thank you and I think it says uh you

[23:31] know we did present it to the mayor and

[23:34] America just said upon management okay

[23:36] yeah which I know happened across the

[23:39] board I also requested an increase for

[23:41] myself given that most times there's a

[23:44] director of Community Development and a

[23:46] director of planning I'm both

[23:48] um

[23:49] but yeah

[23:51] I think it was just the four percent

[23:53] across the board that was allocated

[23:58] any other questions

[24:02] seeing none thank you thank you

[24:13] This was um

[24:27] yesterday at your department

[24:30] um came into a discussion and there were

[24:32] many questions I was asked concerns of

[24:34] um you made a requests to have a

[24:37] separate Department

[24:39] and the question was asked

[24:42] why wasn't it granted

[24:45] then also the question was asked and

[24:48] they wanted to know more about what we

[24:49] were doing foreign

[24:55] retirement compliance with subcontractor

[24:57] and things like that

[24:58] so we think it's fitting there we bring

[25:00] in here from you directly rather than we

[25:04] just make an assumption so I will invite

[25:06] you to kind of walk us through your

[25:08] department what you're currently doing

[25:09] the work you're doing in terms of

[25:11] compliance with mwbs or contractors and the center here and then

[25:17] we will actually talk about um

[25:22] people

[25:26] again thank you so much for the

[25:28] opportunity to come forth with the

[25:30] um

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[25:35] when I came home board here five years

[25:39] ago now it was

[25:41] with the onset of how do we make a

[25:44] difference in terms of what we were

[25:46] seeing in the city and how do we make a

[25:48] difference in terms of creating economic

[25:51] and Contracting opportunities for our

[25:53] residents within the city and what we

[25:56] see is in the traditional route of the

[26:00] way things normally done with compliance

[26:03] and affirmative action you really don't

[26:05] take a proactive role in creating

[26:07] opportunities and make an activity so

[26:09] like always dealing after the fact

[26:10] foreign

[26:16] to why wasn't we getting enough uh

[26:19] opportunity why wasn't we building the

[26:21] capacity of the firms and why don't we

[26:24] have the capacity of each other

[26:25] Workforce on development so hence that's

[26:28] how we launched our Workforce initiative

[26:30] and just give you a little bit of

[26:32] background on that

[26:33] we're probably three years into you know

[26:37] counting the code activity so we've had

[26:40] about 150 people

[26:42] go through that program

[26:44] at this juncture we're into the last

[26:47] class of the workforce fees the person

[26:50] just wrapped up in June

[26:52] tomorrow it's the last day for the

[26:55] second quarter in this year and he still

[26:56] passed that 15 students each so they've

[26:59] gone to 125 hour training field screen

[27:03] which is the fourth curriculum

[27:05] and uh of the

[27:09] 150 right now originally we had 56

[27:13] graduated in the first 90 and this one

[27:16] here we've got 30 um

[27:25] in the first round we had I was 26

[27:28] people were Gateway employees I think

[27:30] 560 graduated 26 we gave you the

[27:33] employees a 26th job that we actually

[27:35] you know created

[27:37] nowhere to this last group out of the 30

[27:40] people that we have now uh 15 13 of them

[27:45] successfully committed the course in

[27:47] June nine of them with the gameplay

[27:49] employed six of them invented trades in

[27:53] carpenters union and the uh late the

[27:55] 157. and then now tomorrow they'll wrap

[28:00] up this lasts from 15 of them completed

[28:03] it out of the 15 that went in and

[28:06] they've all got commitments if they want

[28:08] to move forward to the next level

[28:10] they've all got commitments where

[28:12] they're going to get into an

[28:13] apprenticeship program you know moving

[28:15] on to the next level and and that's uh

[28:18] that's huge in in many regards because

[28:21] we talk about how you change that

[28:23] dynamic because it's always been a big

[28:24] challenge in terms of getting folks

[28:33] the other part of the equation is once

[28:36] you train this Workforce you know

[28:38] whether it's a better job so you got to

[28:41] build a capacity and train more uh small

[28:44] businesses that's going to hire you know

[28:46] but we got to create businesses from

[28:48] this community or from this area that's

[28:51] more in tune to hire and give these

[28:53] folks a chance now a classic example of

[28:57] what I'm talking about how these two

[28:59] pieces come together I invited Michael

[29:01] diorio here he's with a happy election

[29:04] now three years old I got first class he

[29:07] was one of those first ones that started

[29:09] with that and if you don't mind I I can

[29:11] tell your story because he's here you

[29:13] can answering questions and this will

[29:14] give you an idea of why

[29:15] it's not just a matter of chasing

[29:18] numbers but we're really changing

[29:19] people's lives he was in a bad space in

[29:22] his life with depression and not you

[29:24] know making it happen not making any

[29:26] money and having a lot of problems you

[29:28] know with the union he came into came

[29:30] into me and we talked about what he

[29:32] wanted to do he wanted to start a

[29:33] business we helped him start his

[29:35] business a year later we help him get

[29:37] certified as a certified MBE he's also a

[29:41] servant disabled veteran

[29:43] and he's on track and going for twenty

[29:45] thousand dollars a year he probably did

[29:47] four or five hundred thousand dollars

[29:48] last year and he's on track to really

[29:50] making a difference

[29:52] anytime people so he's hired two but if

[29:55] you spend 15 20 minutes a day on all

[29:58] that type of thing you know it takes it

[30:01] takes time and then if our mission is to

[30:03] create and build capacity you know

[30:06] that's what we're here to do to help

[30:07] build you know those businesses in

[30:09] addition to that

[30:11] we've been on a regular basis we host uh

[30:13] workshops and things for training we

[30:17] work with many partners we work a lot of

[30:19] hood comes in uh last month we did a

[30:23] Regional training where they came in

[30:24] from Buffalo and we have the Regional

[30:27] training residence over the uh

[30:30] and it talks about her opportunity and

[30:33] all the agencies that receive our money

[30:36] with opportunities about how contractors

[30:37] would get involved but that's that's

[30:40] huge in the sense that they're looking

[30:42] at cementally as a leader in that regard

[30:44] to bring those Sports together so we

[30:46] bring people from Albany Utica to all

[30:49] those folks came here for that type of

[30:51] training but we do that on a regular

[30:52] basis and and working with the state uh

[30:56] we have an mou economy with the Empire

[30:58] State development which provide access

[31:00] to Capital finding assistance and things

[31:02] like that so we're trying to build these

[31:05] firms up so down can you know get the

[31:07] job opportunity but they can get the

[31:08] funding and the bonding necessary to

[31:10] execute the job and then they could be

[31:12] more competitive and going after our

[31:14] Contracting opportunities

[31:17] how does it relates to the economic

[31:20] Center they don't promise said you know

[31:22] there's a lot there and you know please

[31:24] don't you know go through now but

[31:26] imagine uh a wagon wheel with a hug okay

[31:30] the environment Center is is that Hub

[31:33] where you bring up all of these

[31:34] collaborations all these different

[31:36] partners all these industry and

[31:37] Industrial experts to facilitate a

[31:40] common objective which is to create

[31:41] opportunity for Contracting opportunity

[31:44] with us and as well as a job

[31:46] opportunities

[31:47] so we work with a variety of areas

[31:49] dealing with

[31:50] access the capital training Workforce

[31:54] Development you know just anything that

[31:56] you want to do we want to create an

[31:57] environment so when you walk in to this

[32:00] place you know that everybody in this

[32:02] Jack's back you got a place where you

[32:03] can ask questions you can have the

[32:05] nation you know if your resources tapped

[32:07] in you know mentoring whatever you need

[32:09] that's the space that we're trying to

[32:11] create the purpose of having a red and

[32:13] the Heart of the community because

[32:15] that's what a creative need is

[32:17] when we first came on board here you can

[32:21] look around and see yeah we put a lot of

[32:23] money and we did 20 million dollars with

[32:26] TCP we did 49 office development or

[32:29] whatever but the reality is yeah you put

[32:31] 20 and 30 million dollars in to

[32:33] communicate with that young man that

[32:35] lived on Hillary Street and all this

[32:37] week did not get a job opportunity

[32:39] and they don't you know and they look at

[32:41] you why can't I get a job that's sweet

[32:43] and speak you know what does that say

[32:45] you know so applying for

[32:47] you know opportunities to do the

[32:49] applications how do you create that

[32:51] dialogue so where that bridge to sort of

[32:53] make those connections and make a

[32:55] difference and that's the reality that

[32:56] we deal with on everyday basis and

[32:59] that's why it's important to have this

[33:01] type of facility there to do that just

[33:03] that and again we're not trying to say

[33:05] that we create programs you know you

[33:08] know we're not doing that we're just

[33:09] becoming that up to facilitate the

[33:11] conversation with any different partners

[33:13] together you know to make a difference

[33:16] so that's why that's the connection

[33:18] between but they're intertwined together

[33:20] where you can't do one without the other

[33:23] because if the objective is to follow

[33:25] the mission and the mission to create

[33:27] Economic Opportunity prosperity for our

[33:29] community how do we do that you know

[33:31] this is how we do it through education

[33:33] through training through working with

[33:34] the school district work with the

[33:35] Community College working with the

[33:36] industry and making all those cases

[33:38] happen so that's why this is also

[33:41] critically important and necessary to do

[33:43] it

[33:45] the reason for the request for the

[33:47] budget is there's a lot in that alphabet

[33:50] suit and

[33:52] um

[33:53] you can't do it especially with one

[33:55] person I mean we need uh you know the

[33:58] data entry person just to track down The

[33:59] Daily tell you what's happening we want

[34:01] to know who these people are where they

[34:02] come from and how do we check for the

[34:04] next five years to see what the impact

[34:05] is so that's that's one

[34:07] the other part is we have to go after

[34:10] the rent we we spend more time this year

[34:12] going at the ground up to come and see

[34:13] and uh you know funding to support this

[34:17] thing bringing in uh outside uh experts

[34:20] to help us uh just in this document that

[34:22] you have right here this was nothing

[34:24] that we created right here by ourselves

[34:26] in a back-end now we had people from

[34:28] across the country out there I had

[34:29] people from Birmingham Alabama Austin

[34:31] Texas New Jersey they all had tremendous

[34:34] impact in terms of what we're doing but

[34:36] again

[34:38] this all comes about because of the

[34:40] relationship that we have with people in

[34:42] the hub and you know traveling around

[34:44] like I'm a part of the training service

[34:47] so we go around the country's different

[34:49] places and we talk about what we do here

[34:51] at Schenectady and the highlights that

[34:53] we get every time we go is the fact that

[34:56] we create an atmosphere of java

[34:59] opportunities we like what we've done

[35:00] with the Workforce Development and all

[35:02] those type of things and we we're

[35:03] compared to what they're doing like in

[35:05] Chicago and that's why the answers to

[35:07] come around to talk about you know those

[35:09] type of things that we do because we

[35:10] really seriously making a difference

[35:12] ain't nobody in this scaffolding nobody

[35:14] in this region isn't doing anything

[35:15] close to what we're doing in fact

[35:17] they're coming to be a part of what

[35:19] we're trying to do Saratoga Albany

[35:22] Georgia you know those folks are coming

[35:23] to us on a daily basis to participating

[35:26] in health you know do what we're trying

[35:28] to do so

[35:29] I think we got something special here we

[35:32] need to get this government and health

[35:33] and government for every random day and

[35:36] I think I look at it like

[35:39] there's a friend of mine Arthur Eve from

[35:42] the State Assembly he talks about yeah

[35:46] the people's budget this is the people's

[35:49] name this is this is for the people this

[35:51] I think this community preserves this I

[35:53] think

[35:55] if we're going to do this and do the

[35:57] things that we're talking about trying

[35:58] to do and make a transformation

[36:00] it's just all inclusive program that

[36:04] we're talking about we're talking about

[36:05] how do we get involved with redeveloping

[36:07] the hill I believe people want to live

[36:09] there can you just imagine we're going

[36:11] to recruit a police officer a young man

[36:13] a young lady from Hamilton Hill that

[36:15] want to be a police officer we created a

[36:17] battle where they can buy a house here

[36:19] and they're living in the community a

[36:20] nice new house and he does duplicating

[36:23] that over and over we're going to change

[36:25] and transform what we're doing because

[36:27] we change Dynamic of what we're trying

[36:29] to do

[36:29] you know as people and that we're

[36:31] serious about making a difference and

[36:33] not just talking about it you know this

[36:35] is how we do it we want to create you

[36:37] know economic wealth

[36:39] so that's why we do what we do if you

[36:42] want to get it done you know we're

[36:44] serious about making it happen we're

[36:46] very serious about results are oriented

[36:48] and not just here

[36:50] pretty soon

[36:52] can you touch on your uh evolvements

[36:55] your office involvement in terms of

[36:57] reviewing the

[36:59] Eis I guess that's wrong yeah the

[37:01] invoice from the subcontractor

[37:03] contractors yeah

[37:08] so we're involved with all of the uh the

[37:11] bidding process from the church again I

[37:13] have a very closer to Chris and hit his

[37:15] apartment and in which Elder evolved and

[37:17] tell them how do we tackle this problem

[37:19] it is huge you know because you got on

[37:22] the one hand you've got product that you

[37:23] want to get done and we also have

[37:25] responsibilities in terms of how do we

[37:27] have an impact in our community and make

[37:29] a difference so I do I I will do all of

[37:32] this that goes out you know and I

[37:35] participate in all of the

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[37:42] and we work to you know get the issue

[37:44] resolved sometimes

[37:47] you know some of it's more difficult

[37:49] than others and you know to be honest

[37:50] and we have to work with but it's a give

[37:52] and take process and we do work with it

[37:54] but at the end of the day we are giving

[37:56] people uh on jobs like the recent

[37:59] project at the Schenectady police stage

[38:06] police station

[38:16] and uh

[38:19] other things we have to work out you

[38:21] know uh but yeah I participate in in

[38:24] that to make sure that we're going to

[38:25] apply and and it doesn't matter how far

[38:28] we push it together and you know give

[38:30] them those that we keep things moving

[38:32] you know in the right direction so we

[38:33] are moving and the more we work with the

[38:35] Department that's you know putting the

[38:37] biz out and the more they realize that

[38:39] we have a student program here the more

[38:41] uh you know you're going to see the

[38:43] results that we need to see and Chris

[38:44] could tell you that you know in looking

[38:47] at the kind of thing he gets from around

[38:49] they said we got the most stringent

[38:52] combined requirements you know in the

[38:55] region but we also get the results you

[38:58] know if the contract is not in

[39:00] compliance uh you know they put

[39:02] something out it's not there you know

[39:03] we're holding payments

[39:04] and uh you know you know the government

[39:06] can find

[39:07] um we've had things go back out the bid

[39:09] because they you know didn't want to

[39:11] play fast so we have a lot of true

[39:13] within that framework you know to work

[39:16] and I think with the council support and

[39:19] supportive Administration

[39:21] we have we can do much more we can do

[39:23] much much more but uh but for the tools

[39:26] are there and it doesn't need the

[39:28] support to make it happen so that's how

[39:29] we do it we work with within the policy

[39:32] uh we do have obviously you know

[39:34] projects

[39:36] whether we keep up with them I do visit

[39:38] the sites

[39:40] yeah

[39:41] so are you seeing an increase in the

[39:44] mwbe and our goals are we getting better

[39:46] than we were we get we're getting better

[39:48] but the numbers are still not what it

[39:51] need to be because we've got to build

[39:52] capacity I'll give you an example you

[39:55] know we have uh you know bonding

[39:57] requirements you know if you get the

[39:58] bond um you know there's a big list so

[40:01] working with the state and you know

[40:04] dealing with those challenges and

[40:05] preparing folks so we have to spend a

[40:07] lot of time on the front end working

[40:09] with a contractor to you know to get

[40:12] there you know but you know for example

[40:14] you know something that you know they

[40:15] might want to build on we got to sit

[40:17] down and just go through his life

[40:18] history and say this is what they're

[40:20] going to ask you you know are you ready

[40:21] and that's how we present it we're going

[40:23] to move the quote but

[40:25] yes we are seeing differences uh it's a

[40:28] lot easier to talk to contractors now

[40:30] than it was a year ago they know they

[40:32] were serious uh they they generally come

[40:35] prepared to you know make things happen

[40:37] you got a couple out there a couple

[40:39] other big boys I think

[40:42] you know that we're getting there we're getting

[40:44] there

[40:46] go ahead please

[40:48] um in terms of breaking down like right

[40:50] now affirmative action is within our HR

[40:53] department

[40:54] um and I can see some of the obviously

[40:56] with the recruiting help that you do for

[40:59] the police and the fire

[41:01] um I'm sure maybe there's some

[41:03] complaints maybe within our employee

[41:06] Workforce that also would come under

[41:07] affirmative action but it's sounding

[41:10] like um well I want to ask you like when

[41:12] you think about

[41:14] um the office in general and then

[41:16] building a new Department it sounds like

[41:19] a lot is what's the percentage

[41:21] um would you say of how your work

[41:24] yourself breaks down in terms of whether

[41:26] it's HR affirmative action or whether

[41:30] it's

[41:31] Workforce Development well we do get uh

[41:33] complaints with that if that's the

[41:35] question you know in terms of things

[41:36] like that but it's it's a typical it's a

[41:40] there's a delicate balance you know

[41:42] within that question uh I've had people

[41:45] come to me you know with a question of

[41:46] concern but they were left unless they

[41:49] can put something away so if they don't

[41:51] put it in writing what I'm concerned you

[41:54] know it don't have work but the issue

[41:56] that they have is is serious sure and I agree with that but I couldn't

[42:01] come to you and say okay we got an issue

[42:03] and then they back out and said oh well

[42:05] you know but they want to put it in

[42:07] writings and move forward yes we do that

[42:09] I work closely with Marianne and HR

[42:13] utility was here I worked with her and

[42:15] we went to the same speech you know came

[42:17] to see that look at that for Andrew so

[42:19] when there's a question Andrew is my

[42:21] go-to person you know so whatever comes

[42:25] up that's how I was doing but you know

[42:27] we had an incident this summer where uh

[42:30] somebody uh had a mission and you know

[42:33] and they followed them playing but the

[42:36] challenge there was you know without

[42:38] getting into the details it was

[42:39] something that they talked about for a

[42:41] while but they never wanted to move

[42:43] you know

[42:45] I said no that's not right you can't

[42:47] just say you need to talk about it you

[42:49] need to come and do it so so they did do

[42:53] that and then once that was done we then

[42:56] investigate it

[43:02] [Music]

[43:09] some of the things I get is

[43:12] and this is a challenge for me is people

[43:14] of crime so I'm out here advocating and

[43:16] pushing for opportunity to see so I said

[43:19] we've got 126 positions available yeah

[43:22] he said I need customers PDF so we got

[43:25] six people that we've paid for you know

[43:27] work with the county to get the CDL

[43:29] license and then when they're applying

[43:31] you know something is is missing you

[43:34] know they're not getting through but

[43:35] whatever you know one reason or another

[43:37] but you know we're getting them and so we got to have a better tracking

[43:41] mechanism of how these applications are

[43:43] coming in you know where they're going

[43:45] and

[43:46] you know really you know get into the

[43:49] weeds of that because that's

[43:54] [Music]

[44:03] did you get in favor from this place

[44:07] I need to follow up on what's happening

[44:09] with that person you know and

[44:11] you know sometimes she has and sometimes

[44:13] she don't and uh but it's it's it's a

[44:18] process that we have to do I think we

[44:20] need to talk more about that because

[44:21] they did a serious value of dealing with

[44:23] this thing and um

[44:25] a lot of it comes down to get back into

[44:28] social service and what's a lot of

[44:29] what's going on you know it's just a

[44:32] problem and people with you know

[44:34] especially not frustrated I'm sure

[44:39] that's you know that's that's the normal

[44:42] routine you know we you know actually

[44:44] really are

[44:46] you know folks coming into town we may

[44:48] have visited all of them but they moved

[44:50] to Schenectady but because their resume

[44:52] was called me on that they didn't they

[44:55] got kicked out and you know but nobody

[44:57] follows up to say you know just that

[45:00] type of stuff you know so we need to

[45:02] you know people

[45:04] better you know

[45:06] the fact we're trying to get more CDL

[45:08] Drivers back and

[45:09] um

[45:13] you know again because this is a process

[45:17] and I go downtown so we can get an

[45:20] application from this person you know so

[45:23] we just got to come up with a better

[45:24] mechanism to do that but that's

[45:26] something that's just time consumable we

[45:28] are pushing and

[45:35] [Music]

[45:37] so the point is all those stuff

[45:47] so that it makes sense to you know what

[45:50] we're trying to do and then uh and the

[45:53] other person that's that's critical to

[45:55] this equation is uh you know what I call

[45:58] like a program coordinator like me going

[46:00] after the granting the funding and

[46:02] basically driving a bus on these

[46:04] activities you know and

[46:06] I think you know there's a lot that

[46:08] happens uh you know in there so it's

[46:11] critical that one that as we move

[46:14] forward on these programs and things

[46:15] that we you know get them done in that

[46:18] conversation because

[46:19] the benefits and we're trying to get

[46:22] through communities is working and um

[46:26] invest that's that's the way it is

[46:30] here I think there's a great thing on

[46:34] the horizon for us and we need to set

[46:37] the infrastructure in place so that we

[46:39] can execute

[46:43] go ahead well Mr Gardner I really

[46:46] appreciate you coming here and I think

[46:47] any person listening and those in the

[46:49] room

[46:52] the the magnitude that you are achieving

[46:56] here already singly if we're just being

[46:58] honest and transparent what seems

[47:01] apparent in addition to that is the fact

[47:03] that you need a team and a supportive

[47:05] backing to achieve more and it's not

[47:07] that you are not actively working at the

[47:09] moment it is just your expectations and

[47:12] also your your foresight with where this

[47:14] program can reach you require additional

[47:17] support so outside of Staffing can you

[47:20] highlight any additional like challenges

[47:22] or limitations that are making it uh or

[47:26] say impeding our continued development

[47:28] in this area of

[47:30] economic stability and prosperity in the

[47:33] city center well well

[47:36] here's a lot there's there's a lot there

[47:39] and it's not it's not that we're not

[47:42] trying I mean every department is trying

[47:44] you know when a problem with the police

[47:46] department they are literally trying

[47:48] they're doing everything they can but

[47:51] there's a lot that goes on you know like

[47:52] for example we had uh a young man who

[47:56] was a single father

[47:58] and he was unemployed so we definitely

[48:01] got him a job on the construction site

[48:06] so he had his paper was Transportation

[48:09] there they paid for the lodging and

[48:12] bills there and plus he was getting 50

[48:15] bucks an hour the problem that he only

[48:17] worked three days why did he worked

[48:18] three days because he had a child and he

[48:20] couldn't get child care so Child Care is a serious problem that's for sure and

[48:26] uh so even though he

[48:30] that's the reality that we you know in

[48:34] the comment I get a lot of porch out

[48:37] there yeah you can but he can't he

[48:40] couldn't find it yeah

[48:44] the other thing that I find um is a

[48:47] challenge and again we have to recognize

[48:49] we have to get more with these wrap

[48:52] around Support Services

[48:54] but have uh

[48:56] you know all kind of barriers you know

[48:57] you don't get the best of a person to do

[49:00] what about a group over again you know

[49:02] whether they have food to put a child

[49:03] for this week you know you know mental

[49:06] emotional issues you know all of that

[49:09] stuff uh plays in there so so so to

[49:13] answer the question specifically there

[49:15] was more in collaborative effort with

[49:17] our partners like scap uh you know the

[49:20] county uh the state and all those types

[49:22] of things to to genuinely do those type

[49:25] of Support Services you know that's what we need more of and that's

[49:30] sort of like what we're doing we have

[49:32] the software that we use for our

[49:34] Workforce manager as an LCB tracker

[49:36] where everybody that we engage with

[49:38] whether you're on a small business side

[49:39] or an individual it goes into the system

[49:42] and we're able to track everything that

[49:44] happened with that person so let's say

[49:45] they needed housing I can make a

[49:48] referral over to you know somebody with

[49:51] a scat and they will get a message and

[49:53] then they would they can go into the

[49:55] same system and say okay yeah we

[49:56] received Jones and we run a system with

[49:59] this Gabrielle you know you can know

[50:00] what's happening you know with that

[50:03] scenario

[50:04] the other part of is you know we work

[50:07] closely with the community college and

[50:09] the career Counseling Center so they do

[50:11] all of our intake for the folks coming

[50:13] into the program whether it's on a small

[50:15] business side of other issues so that's

[50:17] one part of the way how we're able to

[50:20] manage you know some of it but they're

[50:22] overwhelmed too you know so we're doing the best we can

[50:26] with that but but there's some tools out

[50:29] there that's helping us and we have that

[50:31] in place and moving forward and we can

[50:34] have all the software in the world but

[50:36] we can't get the data in there and

[50:39] manage the data you know you know it

[50:42] doesn't do anything that's like

[50:44] something on the Shelf but we have the

[50:46] ability to to really make a difference

[50:48] here I'm excited about the prospects of

[50:50] being able to work with these small

[50:52] businesses that we get this Center open

[50:54] where we'll be able to offer mentoring

[50:57] support of counseling support you know

[50:59] anything they need to grow successfully

[51:02] so they've been and it's not going to be

[51:04] labor intensive you know just utilizing

[51:06] the technology and the resources and the

[51:08] collaborative efforts that we have you

[51:10] know to make a difference

[51:12] the software is not in your budget

[51:15] request so wouldn't you need the um

[51:17] software as well yeah yeah but this year

[51:20] we've been recovered out of CDG oh okay

[51:27] go ahead please so forgive me if you

[51:29] want to address this um so I know when

[51:32] you're just manufactured to your

[51:34] position so I know um you're doing some

[51:36] a lot of great work with people trying

[51:38] to get them you know the training that

[51:40] they need so they can be gainfully

[51:42] employed I also know that you're working

[51:43] with the city I'm trying to help us meet

[51:46] our mwpe goals and I know that this I

[51:50] believe the state just increased those

[51:52] MW the threshold and WV equals and I was

[51:56] wondering

[51:57] um are we close to reaching that goal yet

[52:03] we are we're making progress uh you know

[52:05] the reality is it depends on what uh

[52:09] what it is I mean if you got a specialty

[52:13] project you know building uh drilling

[52:16] Wells 200 feet in the ground you know

[52:19] it's hard to get firms you know that's

[52:22] in that space and

[52:25] um but so you know but we are pretty

[52:27] interesting you know and recognize that

[52:29] in the building the capacity of

[52:32] in front of coming along and the way

[52:33] that I'm looking at addressing that

[52:36] particular question is to grow and

[52:39] cultivate more GC more Prime contractors

[52:42] that's that's what I want to do so that

[52:44] they can compete in that environment and

[52:47] by aligning themselves with the partners

[52:50] and the efforts that we have like with

[52:51] Empire State development with access to

[52:53] Capital you know bringing the banks on

[52:55] board to assist you know with training

[52:58] and access to Capital finding support

[53:00] and insurance people you know we'll do

[53:03] that you know and it's going to take

[53:04] time to do that so but that's how I see

[53:07] us you know being able to you know make

[53:10] it happen

[53:10] [Music]

[53:12] you know you know the Jerusalem

[53:14] engagement is is what it is so it

[53:17] doesn't matter man we can certainly

[53:18] compete in any environment we can do

[53:20] that as long as we understand

[53:22] it doesn't make a difference we compete

[53:25] and I think that's where we are right

[53:27] now okay I was earlier today I was in a

[53:30] meeting with another Community partner

[53:32] and they were talking about uh uh a

[53:35] younger person that you worked with and

[53:37] now they actually and you work in

[53:39] collaboration with them and they're now

[53:41] a homeowner in the city of Schenectady

[53:43] um so that was just that just happened

[53:45] we came up today so I want to tell you

[53:47] how much I appreciate that and then the

[53:49] work that you're doing and you know I

[53:51] know the council is really uh

[53:52] considering how we can support the

[53:54] important work that you're doing to make

[53:56] sure that you know it's sustainable

[53:57] right yeah so thank you there's one of

[53:59] the things we talk about sustainability

[54:00] you know as you look at the package that

[54:02] you have there we did some projections

[54:04] in terms of if we were to invest in our

[54:07] community invest in training and put the

[54:09] resources where they're necessary over

[54:12] the next five years we can create 500

[54:14] jobs

[54:15] right here in the city we can do that

[54:18] and we can look at the projection in

[54:20] terms of the revenue speed coming in

[54:23] there we can do 18 million dollars in

[54:25] Revenue coming into you know this city

[54:28] and and

[54:30] some of it is is recognizing the fact

[54:32] that Industries are changing there's a

[54:35] trend toward Mortuary technology we got

[54:37] to get more Focus I mean laser focus on

[54:40] the stem and the skin technology because

[54:42] that's where it is you can train a

[54:44] carpenter right now but carpentry is not

[54:46] like it was the other going to get as

[54:48] good a rule now they use a computer

[54:51] lasers and you know you know cash

[54:55] software and all those type of things

[54:56] just for carpentry our kids coming out

[54:59] of school right now are not ready for

[55:01] that

[55:02] and so so we're working with the school

[55:04] district our first comment is with

[55:07] staffers and Dr Phil

[55:09] and and we're trying to keep it

[55:12] centrically focused on that because once

[55:14] you get into the the broader uh main

[55:18] campus kind of thing you know just

[55:19] deluded you know it's just it just it

[55:22] just starts but I think if we stay on

[55:24] that track and work with that particular

[55:26] Focus we have a plan to do you know now

[55:29] we can start getting results that's the

[55:32] patties folks you know that's coming out

[55:34] whether they want to go to college or

[55:35] get you know skill sets or you know

[55:37] things like that you know for example

[55:39] you know one of the things we're talking

[55:41] about is like a drone technology so

[55:43] teaching how Urban kids about how to

[55:47] build These Fine computers and um

[55:50] getting their FAA license and any job

[55:53] that's created that results 100

[55:57] 000 jobs are going to be created

[55:58] yesterday and we're going to start using

[56:01] them in public safety you know the

[56:03] police department

[56:05] so why can't a young man get that skill

[56:08] set and get their life

[56:10] so we we have an mlu currently

[56:13] in our hands right now with uh

[56:17] New Jersey Institute of Technology so

[56:19] they have this they have the first one

[56:21] it was with Penn State University

[56:24] so the first statements down there in

[56:27] this Urban setting so we're going to get

[56:29] the second uh satellite here is

[56:32] connecting so they're going to be

[56:33] working with us to do the same thing

[56:35] through stylish things but specifically

[56:38] today and then kind of that to what we

[56:41] talk about in the Vsauce and you know

[56:42] with the virtual

[56:44] cyber security and orchestration which

[56:46] you'll see in the packet that's what a

[56:48] job is going to be

[56:49] they're they're moving in that direction

[56:51] you know you look at it here in the city

[56:54] you know you look at it anywhere you

[56:56] talk about a smart city what do you

[56:57] think is going to be reading that data

[56:58] and putting these things in there enough

[57:01] our kids should be a part of that

[57:04] and that's what we want to do with this

[57:05] Center we want to work with the colleges

[57:07] and make that happen so again we're just saying we're here to

[57:12] make a difference we're serious and um I

[57:16] think we can make an impact here and

[57:18] this city can really be a leader in this

[57:21] efforts

[57:24] first of all Ron thank you for all the

[57:27] work that you're doing I know that you

[57:28] know I've seen a lot of it up close and

[57:29] personal so you really are making a

[57:31] difference and having an impact on this

[57:33] city since uh we were smart enough to

[57:35] hire you

[57:36] so thank you for the work and the

[57:38] continued work going forward and I just

[57:39] wanted to actually kind of bring it back

[57:41] to the fact that the gentleman that you

[57:43] have here from halfway electric actually

[57:45] was able to work on the project in

[57:46] Orchard Park yeah yeah it wasn't the

[57:48] smoothness I understand but but at least

[57:52] um you know they have an opportunity so

[57:54] it it shows that the work that you're

[57:55] doing is really making that immediate

[57:58] and um local impact

[58:01] and so people someone lives locally is

[58:03] working on a local project so what you

[58:04] talked about in the beginning where

[58:05] people drive by or walk by and see

[58:08] someone who looks like them who is from

[58:09] the community working on a project does

[58:12] make a difference so

[58:13] um I'm glad that you came tonight I'm

[58:15] not saying that if you have more to say

[58:17] but um because you know there's a lot of

[58:19] questions last night I think you've

[58:21] answered them all and I really

[58:23] appreciate all the work you're doing I

[58:24] can't say that enough

[58:27] for her so the building in terms of the

[58:30] building being done I noticed Sylvia

[58:32] might move over from development to be

[58:34] the executive director of the center

[58:36] that would be like what would be the

[58:38] timeline in terms of I mean I didn't get

[58:40] a chance to read all of this obviously

[58:43] we've done the uh

[58:45] the environmental I mean the engineers

[58:49] and now it's in it's great to go to

[58:53] design so it's ready to go to design for

[58:56] the actual documents to be prepared and

[58:59] put out of there so we're hoping

[59:01] the timeline I'm looking at it we can

[59:02] get that done between now and have it

[59:04] have to be at the start of March it

[59:07] takes six months for the project to be

[59:08] done

[59:09] you know by the end of the summer

[59:12] that should be open

[59:13] excuse me around you're talking about

[59:15] the building an old history called me

[59:16] right right that let everybody know so

[59:20] what does that mean for you in the city

[59:22] Your Role here does that mean that you

[59:25] would you know would you move over to

[59:27] this no no we will still be doing this

[59:29] you know

[59:31] thank you

[59:34] so I do have a follow-up question yeah

[59:36] so like for example Sylvia leaving

[59:38] development and coming over to the

[59:40] center but she would not be the program

[59:42] coordinator in this so your department

[59:45] as a department would be maybe

[59:48] affirmative action or would you would it

[59:50] be Workforce Development

[59:52] um and then in other words

[59:54] Sylvia's position in this

[59:57] would be in addition to this program

[1:00:01] okay and then

[1:00:03] um so we'd have to replace Sylvia

[1:00:05] probably in development as well

[1:00:08] right

[1:00:09] uh go ahead please I just I just want to

[1:00:12] say something yeah speaking of the

[1:00:14] subject she just told me she's planning

[1:00:16] on retiring and moving back to her

[1:00:19] home state so we gotta look at somebody

[1:00:22] else

[1:00:25] there it goes through the window yeah

[1:00:33] geez hold on I

[1:00:41] are you referring to contract compliance

[1:00:44] also payment from financials yeah yes so

[1:00:47] it's a combination

[1:00:49] so every every day I have um and

[1:00:57] um you know work with the contract so

[1:00:59] and then I sign up all the Investments

[1:01:02] and they are submitting all the MLB yes

[1:01:06] document as required yes

[1:01:08] and if they're not then you will reach

[1:01:10] all back to them so yeah yes I mean are

[1:01:13] you finding it that um subcontractors

[1:01:15] have been difficult for some of these

[1:01:17] documents no I hope we could do to know

[1:01:19] because they don't they're not this

[1:01:22] isn't done because they don't get paid

[1:01:23] unless you know they're submitted so if

[1:01:25] they don't send the documents in and

[1:01:28] everything attached

[1:01:32] [Music]

[1:01:53] you know fill us down remember what an

[1:01:56] apartment you know the same thing okay

[1:01:58] so they're very good at making sure that

[1:02:00] I get what I need and then they'll let

[1:02:02] me know if they don't help with anything

[1:02:03] I reach out to the contractor and tell

[1:02:05] them that you know we're not going to

[1:02:06] move forward

[1:02:10] you know and the reason why is that

[1:02:12] question I want you to highlight it

[1:02:13] because not only you're doing a

[1:02:14] Workforce you know you get in and we're

[1:02:16] probably also doing the back end of the

[1:02:18] work to make sure that the contractors

[1:02:20] are combines correct but the required

[1:02:22] documentation to meet the goals that we

[1:02:24] approve through city council here early

[1:02:26] this year right but yeah I'm passionate

[1:02:29] about this this department because I

[1:02:30] know that many many years ago and then

[1:02:33] finally with that so I got to spear

[1:02:36] ahead and to my colleagues on the

[1:02:37] council to revise the city Charter to

[1:02:40] bring this one more up-to-date you know

[1:02:42] documentation in terms of MLB compliance

[1:02:45] and from then on you will have been you

[1:02:47] know reaching out to us making updates

[1:02:49] and things like that you know I want to

[1:02:51] encourage you to continue to do what

[1:02:52] you're doing you're doing a good job

[1:02:58] [Music]

[1:03:09] any other question for Ron

[1:03:12] thank you Ron appreciate you taking the

[1:03:15] time off to come here and to address all

[1:03:17] the questions and concern that we had

[1:03:18] for me yesterday

[1:03:27] from our friends at KTP and I was

[1:03:29] introduced from Mr Gardner and uh you

[1:03:33] know ain't no anything to start a

[1:03:34] business if it wasn't for him I might

[1:03:36] still have um yeah

[1:03:38] thanks definitely not on public funded

[1:03:40] projects because of the What I Call

[1:03:42] Construction red tape

[1:03:44] it's like one I was a meeting for her

[1:03:48] was everything going on on my street you

[1:03:50] know one gentleman stood up and said you

[1:03:52] know this is just be a good faith effort

[1:03:54] we don't need your tea and your cupcakes

[1:03:57] and I

[1:03:59] really saw the

[1:04:01] what he's here for because it's

[1:04:04] impossible for someone like me to get

[1:04:05] there so that I can handle hey apps

[1:04:07] that's that have bonding you know the

[1:04:10] bond of life you know and to really get

[1:04:13] where I am right now able to be a prime

[1:04:15] of some jobs and consider buying they

[1:04:18] can confident I know what indefinitely

[1:04:20] means and things like that you know I

[1:04:22] mean I understand the insurance I

[1:04:23] understand everything though and uh you

[1:04:26] know we're going to keep moving forward

[1:04:27] but I just got a text that said happy

[1:04:28] Johnson Controls is way under their

[1:04:31] enemy Eagles and like the higher

[1:04:32] resolution projects I mean licensed

[1:04:34] electrician and the fireworks sir

[1:04:38] one of the first seeds he planted was

[1:04:41] introduced me to these gentlemen who

[1:04:43] come in and do building audits to you

[1:04:45] know change over to LED and they get the

[1:04:48] National Grid and everything and uh so

[1:04:50] that contact still obviously keeps in

[1:04:52] contact and we're going to try to help

[1:04:54] Johnson Control it down

[1:04:56] so you know that's right what you guys

[1:04:58] are talking about

[1:04:59] payouts I know we talked about this many

[1:05:02] years ago are you still continue to

[1:05:04] training with the AIA payment

[1:05:06] applications

[1:05:07] contractors yeah and you're finding it

[1:05:10] easy to use now rather than before they

[1:05:12] were so complicated they didn't

[1:05:13] understand it they understand what they

[1:05:14] did I mean it's just like my kids you

[1:05:16] know a good frustrated you know you work

[1:05:19] through and what we try to do is talk to

[1:05:21] them about

[1:05:22] like we try to think still but you need

[1:05:25] a team

[1:05:26] so that's that's really what it's all

[1:05:28] about it says

[1:05:29] you know trying to put these pieces

[1:05:30] together so that's why the center is

[1:05:32] important so that we can create that

[1:05:35] team but a smaller firm that don't have

[1:05:37] the ability to have that back offer so

[1:05:40] part of this thing is going to be to

[1:05:41] have somebody in there to help

[1:05:42] facilitate you know that kind of

[1:05:44] information like you know getting the

[1:05:47] you know applications and tags you know

[1:05:50] just just putting the big doctor because

[1:05:51] I mean Chris can tell you I mean put a

[1:05:53] big guy together his a week-long process

[1:05:56] it's a nightmare do that

[1:06:00] thank you I always appreciate it go

[1:06:02] ahead one thing I know no no go ahead

[1:06:05] please I just mounting over to the table

[1:06:07] so I'm just confused over one thing that

[1:06:09] the program is the building who owns the

[1:06:13] building

[1:06:19] I have a facilities but it becomes if it

[1:06:22] becomes a city building then it becomes

[1:06:25] a city building and then there's just

[1:06:27] you know when I proposed my budget and

[1:06:29] we did not have a 3 000 square foot

[1:06:31] remote and Empowerment Center in the

[1:06:34] budget I know but so I didn't know it

[1:06:36] wasn't clearly in the application but

[1:06:38] now we're talking about Staffing and

[1:06:41] offices and a building we used to have a

[1:06:44] remote building across the street for

[1:06:45] the PD yeah traffic we got rid of that

[1:06:49] building and now this is a building

[1:06:51] across the street River I just want to

[1:06:52] make sure that while we're doing budgets

[1:06:54] we understand like this is a new city

[1:06:57] building you know that it was kind of

[1:06:59] fall under Joe panjon and facility staff

[1:07:01] to help I would assume right so I just

[1:07:04] it wasn't clear if anything I had talked

[1:07:06] about at one point about if this

[1:07:08] building is a separate entity or it is a

[1:07:11] city-owned facility

[1:07:24] you know so some of those things that

[1:07:27] we're in the budget you know later on in

[1:07:29] the year or anything might might not if

[1:07:31] it's done this year

[1:07:32] has changed if I have to do some

[1:07:34] modifications for that I I was on an

[1:07:36] impression through the excuse me I was

[1:07:38] under the impression through the art of

[1:07:40] funds that their game was going to end

[1:07:41] up on the building

[1:07:43] um

[1:07:45] [Music]

[1:07:47] is related to this project

[1:07:58] oh of course this was I see January 9th

[1:08:01] so things have changed since January 9th

[1:08:07] all right thank you sir I appreciate it

[1:08:17] Safari can you just give us a snapshot

[1:08:19] on the engineering department

[1:08:25] give us a brief you know or extended

[1:08:29] on his Department

[1:08:33] sections

[1:08:38] you know

[1:08:40] uh

[1:08:43] excuse me uh

[1:08:45] Chris what does the Public Works

[1:08:46] Administration which is increased by 46

[1:08:49] 000 557 uh total engineering

[1:08:53] construction design is up forty five

[1:08:55] thousand three seventy two you already

[1:08:58] did facilities but he also knows

[1:09:00] facilities yeah and we're just we're

[1:09:02] just doing Public Works

[1:09:04] engineering Construction and design I'm

[1:09:07] sorry could you repeat the page page oh

[1:09:09] sorry

[1:09:18] [Music]

[1:09:41] so I'll try to be detailed but brief uh

[1:09:46] we'll go through my budget is actually

[1:09:48] quite small when it comes to engineering

[1:09:51] and but it works but there are positions

[1:09:53] there that we should talk about I'll go

[1:09:54] through the package that I handed out I

[1:09:56] kind of have it in a sequential order so

[1:09:59] what you see here in front of me and by

[1:10:00] the way just wanted to point out all of

[1:10:02] this is not creating just specifically

[1:10:04] for this meeting these were all created

[1:10:07] between five and eight years ago because

[1:10:10] they helped me keep my head on straight

[1:10:12] because without it it's a little hard so

[1:10:15] uh and they're just

[1:10:17] hold on one second

[1:10:21] so there you go so but I was showing you

[1:10:24] right here we have the department of

[1:10:25] engineering facilities core operations

[1:10:27] so while I write this down and I post it

[1:10:29] in the department is that if the time

[1:10:32] comes which may be soon that the

[1:10:34] department is only me

[1:10:35] this is what I have to do to keep the

[1:10:38] lights on in the department of work

[1:10:40] these are all of the daily tasks for the

[1:10:43] department of engineering

[1:10:45] um you know I like to point out to

[1:10:46] people that the capital projects while

[1:10:49] they are nice to have new signals and

[1:10:52] paved roads and all those things they're

[1:10:54] kind of the extra you know we have to do

[1:10:57] all of the things on this list to stay

[1:11:00] in compliant with municipality so on the

[1:11:03] list are

[1:11:04] um you know we have easements and maps

[1:11:06] from the archive list if you come to the

[1:11:08] office right we have to be able to find

[1:11:10] files and answer questions about the

[1:11:12] history of the city we have programs

[1:11:14] citizen request tracker claims against

[1:11:16] the city which are you know pretty much

[1:11:18] weekly uh Community engagement city

[1:11:20] council decorative lighting I do the the

[1:11:22] lights upstairs that actually may be

[1:11:24] going away soon which is great we're

[1:11:25] gonna We form the lighting Consortium

[1:11:27] between Proctors Metroplex and the city

[1:11:30] and that is active John's uh involved

[1:11:33] with that

[1:11:34] um AV Vehicle Management I handled the

[1:11:36] charge Point stations that are around

[1:11:37] City Hall facilities as we talked about

[1:11:40] which is the daily operations budgeting

[1:11:42] all that foils plot lines ms4 ms4 is

[1:11:46] mandated we have to do inspections uh

[1:11:48] we'll get into that in a little bit but

[1:11:50] like for that one we used to have an

[1:11:51] employee who did that he left now I have

[1:11:54] a firm that does that for us so we're

[1:11:56] paying a firm to do it because we don't

[1:11:58] have the employee to do it because it's

[1:12:00] mandated and it is quite involved to do

[1:12:02] that permits because of our staffing

[1:12:06] issues a year ago we gave all of our a

[1:12:09] lot of our permission codes because they

[1:12:12] were the ones doing most of the permits

[1:12:13] anyways we were trying to make a

[1:12:14] One-Stop shop for permit so we gave a

[1:12:17] lot of permits to codes because they had

[1:12:19] more staff plan interview we do all the

[1:12:21] planning uh commission review everybody

[1:12:23] does that but still we're looked at all

[1:12:25] those harder because it's for model

[1:12:27] engineering goes into that uh codes

[1:12:29] Department property address the storm

[1:12:31] water street closures uh pavement and

[1:12:33] then also and this one is small on the

[1:12:36] bottom but it is actually a lot of work

[1:12:39] I am technically the landlord for the

[1:12:42] court system here

[1:12:44] and so as you know we have two courts in

[1:12:47] this building and two one port soon to

[1:12:49] be two ports at the PD and those courts

[1:12:52] have

[1:12:53] 20 some full-time employees four judges

[1:12:55] officers partnering all these

[1:12:58] requirements and all of that

[1:13:00] coordination goes through me all the

[1:13:03] contract approvals all the maintenance

[1:13:05] all the requests they are not allowed to

[1:13:07] do any work in our buildings everything

[1:13:09] has to come through me so like right now

[1:13:11] they're asking for data connections they

[1:13:13] want to move a computer

[1:13:15] I met with them yesterday we have to

[1:13:17] meet there move an outlet move this

[1:13:18] coordinate with John and our

[1:13:19] electricians they want to build a

[1:13:21] counter everything has to go through me

[1:13:23] all that so that is like a huge landlord

[1:13:26] responsibility to make sure that those

[1:13:29] courts are acceptable and as you know

[1:13:31] they have a lot of complaints against us

[1:13:33] for their facilities and lack of a

[1:13:36] fourth Court which we're working on so

[1:13:38] that is a while it is a small bullet

[1:13:40] here like the others it is a very large

[1:13:42] responsibility

[1:13:44] so to do these tasks that's the next

[1:13:48] page this is a organizational chart that

[1:13:50] we have currently informed

[1:13:53] um black is uh engineering green has to

[1:13:57] do with the golf course and then yellow

[1:13:59] is open positions uh and then I put on

[1:14:02] here in red all of the retirees

[1:14:06] um you know I'm losing joke in several

[1:14:09] months I'm losing my assistant at the

[1:14:11] end of the year of next year my other

[1:14:14] assistant is part-time he works anywhere

[1:14:16] between four and 16 hours a week very

[1:14:20] hard to it's nice to have him but it is

[1:14:22] very hard to task someone who works

[1:14:25] anywhere from four to 16 hours with an

[1:14:28] assignment it actually makes a lot of

[1:14:30] work to try to keep someone like that

[1:14:32] and then you know not into my place or

[1:14:34] not but we've talked about it I have on

[1:14:36] here Paul Anthony and even John are all

[1:14:39] looking to retire in the next one two

[1:14:42] years and I rely on Paul Anthony and

[1:14:45] John a lot you know and we work together

[1:14:48] like like this and we have a really good

[1:14:50] team but you know I'm 41. I have

[1:14:55] possibly 20 years you know 25 if I go

[1:14:58] you know and and the team around me is

[1:15:01] so I just wanted to point this out the

[1:15:10] other thing I guess I would point out is

[1:15:13] I am working with Anthony on this as

[1:15:15] flexible as I can so while the budget

[1:15:18] has these in here we can talk about that

[1:15:20] with it is just a shot like for instance

[1:15:24] last year's budget uh improved budget

[1:15:27] did not have an ips3 but what we found

[1:15:30] is ips3s are available and we have so

[1:15:34] much paperwork that having another ips3

[1:15:38] would probably just be a huge help just

[1:15:41] that we are just swamped with paperwork

[1:15:43] upstairs

[1:15:43] and so last year Colleen was approved to

[1:15:47] be a ips4 so now we're looking at

[1:15:49] bringing an ips3 under accounting to

[1:15:52] help her because once again we're not

[1:15:54] only doing

[1:15:56] dozens of contracts we're also doing

[1:15:58] day-to-day bills for all paper products

[1:16:01] to soap fuel deliveries everything that

[1:16:03] goes through the golf course so you know

[1:16:06] in a week we can have a stack of bills

[1:16:09] this tall

[1:16:09] and we have to get them out but we also

[1:16:12] have to do the contracts we also have to

[1:16:15] do so we're kind of and and that would

[1:16:17] help us the more organized we are to

[1:16:18] help Anthony

[1:16:19] because Anthony's Department relies on

[1:16:22] us because we do all of our own

[1:16:24] paperwork when it comes to finances you

[1:16:26] know our department is essentially

[1:16:28] engineering purchasing Finance you know

[1:16:31] we will we do it mostly everything and

[1:16:34] then work with them on just the details

[1:16:36] of it and so that ips3 wasn't in my

[1:16:38] budget when Anthony sat down and said

[1:16:40] you need help and we've looked at it the

[1:16:42] issue that the reason that we haven't

[1:16:43] hired one we actually interviewed and

[1:16:45] then we had to stop was because there is

[1:16:47] a list you need the list and the list

[1:16:50] won't the list could be out tomorrow or

[1:16:52] it could be out in three months so we

[1:16:54] didn't feel it was appropriate to hire

[1:16:56] anyone because the list is coming

[1:17:00] so the

[1:17:02] physicians in yellow

[1:17:04] um

[1:17:05] positions correct

[1:17:08] ips3 is proposed but what I guess what I

[1:17:11] was getting at too was

[1:17:12] um the junior civil all right then this

[1:17:15] is you know we'll get into the we'll

[1:17:16] talk about a little bit of the weeds of

[1:17:17] this year all right like a junior civil

[1:17:19] engineer that 52 725 you see there

[1:17:22] that's like pop a step for that grade

[1:17:25] all right so there's a difference you

[1:17:27] have unions and you have nine so yep

[1:17:30] that position right there with those

[1:17:32] requirements

[1:17:34] side of the city is 65 000 started my

[1:17:39] wife who worked for a private company

[1:17:41] offered someone out of Clarkson no

[1:17:44] experience 66.5 with a 2500 signing

[1:17:48] bonus justice so that is what we're

[1:17:52] paying

[1:17:54] and that's TOP Step and I've actually

[1:17:56] gotten to talk to by the union about

[1:17:58] they may not approve that because they

[1:18:01] want people starting in step one and

[1:18:04] working their way up Step One is

[1:18:05] important so I might as well not even

[1:18:07] post it so in turn what I did is I did

[1:18:10] not post a junior civil engineer I

[1:18:13] posted a position called a senior

[1:18:15] technician is similar pay but the

[1:18:20] qualifications are less trying to get

[1:18:23] just someone

[1:18:24] and so that's what I mean kind of by

[1:18:27] trying to be flexible the we have the

[1:18:30] money in the budget we just don't have

[1:18:32] people to spend the money on and we have

[1:18:34] the money in the budget last year I

[1:18:36] guess is what we always have the money

[1:18:37] in the budget okay I just wanted to make

[1:18:39] sure that they weren't so what we end up

[1:18:40] doing is like for instance our ms4

[1:18:42] consultant is actually being paid for

[1:18:45] out of like a salary citizen because

[1:18:48] if we had a person the person would do

[1:18:50] the work so since we don't have the

[1:18:52] person and I didn't have a budget line

[1:18:54] for consultant ms4 we set aside money to

[1:18:58] pay for someone to do what the person is

[1:19:00] doing and you'll see that as we go

[1:19:01] through uh if you want to go to like the

[1:19:03] next page

[1:19:05] you just want to be 100 clear so the

[1:19:07] junior civil engineer which we which

[1:19:09] have been here for 15

[1:19:11] 5

[1:19:12] yes and also this one assistant to the

[1:19:16] engineer everything that says open was

[1:19:17] in the approved 2022 budget and is open

[1:19:21] except the IPS three the ips3 is

[1:19:24] proposed and it's in this one okay yes

[1:19:26] thank you yes that's how I try to

[1:19:29] differentiate things

[1:19:30] um the next page of my little handout

[1:19:33] here is how I am getting work done so

[1:19:39] without staff and would be workable that

[1:19:41] I have I had gone out for the term

[1:19:45] agreement

[1:19:46] last year

[1:19:47] and the term agreement was for

[1:19:49] everything because we do everything when

[1:19:53] I started here in 2012 I was city

[1:19:55] engineer in charge of roads and bridges

[1:19:58] now I'm city engineer in charge of roads

[1:20:00] and bridges and buildings and golf

[1:20:01] course and parks and you know it's grown

[1:20:04] so my term agreement reflects that we

[1:20:09] used to have one company now I have one

[1:20:11] two three four five six seven eight nine

[1:20:13] ten

[1:20:14] the 10th company on the bottom is a

[1:20:17] small one-man operation that he's coming

[1:20:19] in also in lieu of staff to help you do

[1:20:21] grant writing and some applications

[1:20:25] um but I need all of these groups to do

[1:20:28] the work of that yeah now even if I had

[1:20:30] staff I probably would still need this

[1:20:32] group

[1:20:33] um because these are all like PE

[1:20:34] companies but I probably would need as

[1:20:37] many so this is what we're using right

[1:20:40] now so I have this is what I call my

[1:20:43] stable firms I rotate the work

[1:20:47] um so I started you know I go to GPI GPI

[1:20:50] is working on the paving program and

[1:20:52] then I'll go okay MJ you're doing this

[1:20:54] cha I'm working with them on Sports yeah

[1:20:56] uh all the contracts were reviewed

[1:20:59] approved and created by my office

[1:21:02] we were outside a lot we did our own

[1:21:04] contracts I hired my own attorney

[1:21:07] we did everything on our own

[1:21:09] independently of essentially the rest of

[1:21:11] the city

[1:21:12] so we're

[1:21:13] are these fees

[1:21:16] in this budget these fees are in the

[1:21:19] projects oh okay I got it these are I

[1:21:23] got it okay these are the soft costs

[1:21:25] associated with the products so these

[1:21:28] are

[1:21:29] you know um like for example you

[1:21:31] approved money for uh Central Park

[1:21:33] tennis courts yeah

[1:21:35] 25 000 of the 500 000 you approve is

[1:21:37] going to go to the design of the 500.

[1:21:40] uh you know chips money all the the

[1:21:43] state money that we get and allow to do

[1:21:45] the inspection and the design of the

[1:21:47] world so that's where the accounting

[1:21:49] comes in

[1:21:50] you know we have a lot going on upstairs

[1:21:52] with how are we paying it where is it

[1:21:55] coming from what reimbursements do we

[1:21:57] have it's a lot of paperwork but most of

[1:22:00] this other than I say civil engineer

[1:22:02] foreign female that is in lieu of staff

[1:22:05] so actually civil engineer for in the

[1:22:08] office assistant those two positions are

[1:22:11] coming out of salary lines oh okay

[1:22:14] because

[1:22:15] if you were to look right now the last

[1:22:18] time I looked at something like two

[1:22:20] hundred thousand dollars available on

[1:22:21] our salary lines if you don't have

[1:22:23] people got a chance

[1:22:26] so everything else is a product

[1:22:29] what's the other one that comes out of

[1:22:30] the cellular line besides the ms4 office

[1:22:34] assistance and support the last one fcm

[1:22:36] and that's brand new we just

[1:22:39] so I can I can just touch on that so the

[1:22:42] issue why I had to bring fcm engineering

[1:22:44] on is uh on the next sheets you'll see

[1:22:47] them but well I have seven major

[1:22:50] projects that are right now just kind of

[1:22:53] held up

[1:22:54] all the projects have stepped

[1:22:57] you have to do an RFP you have to

[1:22:59] evaluate the RFP you have to send in the

[1:23:01] evaluations then you're allowed to put

[1:23:03] people on once you go through all those

[1:23:04] steps

[1:23:05] um unlike a lot of other things I can't

[1:23:07] just bring a firm on that I like for

[1:23:10] those particular these firms I bring on

[1:23:13] for smaller project City projects those

[1:23:16] are big Federal projects I have to go

[1:23:17] through them along the process the

[1:23:19] problem is I don't have the time to

[1:23:21] write seven rfps so he's coming on board

[1:23:25] he has experience writing them so he's

[1:23:27] going to help you write them we're going

[1:23:29] to I'm just going to really want me

[1:23:30] we're going to send them out and he's

[1:23:31] going

[1:23:32] you know then I'm going to get 10

[1:23:33] responses for each one of them I'm gonna

[1:23:35] have to review 70 responses and then you

[1:23:37] know it the process is going to be

[1:23:39] lengthy but you know the number one

[1:23:40] project is Craig Street and Craig

[1:23:42] Street's actually three projects so you

[1:23:45] know do that one is number one and cream

[1:23:47] Street then the train main intersection

[1:23:49] and all the dri projects project because

[1:23:51] we did get the dri contracts but unless

[1:23:54] I get these rfps out in the RFP for

[1:23:56] those has to go to the Department of

[1:23:57] State

[1:23:58] and then come back for a review and we

[1:24:01] everything we do with them has to be

[1:24:02] given to them so the process is going to

[1:24:04] be

[1:24:05] so all these firms are what we do and

[1:24:08] then at the end of 2023 I'm gonna have

[1:24:10] to solicit review and do it all again I

[1:24:12] mean it's the most fair and Equitable

[1:24:13] way to do things but once again time you

[1:24:17] know I was going to point out um same

[1:24:19] thing with these transitions that are

[1:24:22] open

[1:24:23] um

[1:24:24] every time that I do something it's time

[1:24:27] that I'm not doing something else

[1:24:29] so if you were to say you know Chris you

[1:24:31] know what you really need to focus and

[1:24:32] hire and fill these positions

[1:24:34] I'm not going to do this for a while and

[1:24:37] then we're going to get complaints that

[1:24:39] things aren't getting done on this side

[1:24:40] of it because I'm doing this you know

[1:24:42] there's not this when you go up there

[1:24:44] it's me and Colleen mcgarrett there is

[1:24:46] not a person behind the room there's no

[1:24:48] one up there to help you know do these

[1:24:50] things so that's where it does get a

[1:24:52] little frustrating that you know I do

[1:24:54] want to hire people

[1:24:55] but when do I dedicate your time to hire

[1:24:57] people because if something needs to get

[1:24:59] changed like a job qualification then

[1:25:02] I absolutely change and work with Mary

[1:25:04] it's a long process that's why I want to

[1:25:07] ask you is how that connects to HR

[1:25:10] you're hiring

[1:25:12] so you said that you would have to do

[1:25:13] the work so what part of it does HR help

[1:25:15] with so HR will post it

[1:25:17] you know like if I ask uh Karen I want

[1:25:20] to post these positions she puts them up

[1:25:22] and she's using now the website and

[1:25:24] indeed and a couple other areas and uh

[1:25:26] and then she'll post it for the amount

[1:25:28] of time and then send me the resumes

[1:25:30] okay

[1:25:31] um the issue is indeed it's kind of like

[1:25:34] uh indeed it's kind of like a shotgun

[1:25:37] blast you get things from everywhere and

[1:25:40] I don't even know if they know what

[1:25:41] they're applying to one of the

[1:25:43] applications said you know I'd be

[1:25:44] willing to move from Arizona if you paid

[1:25:46] relocation fees you know and it's like

[1:25:48] okay they probably don't understand what

[1:25:49] we are and

[1:25:52] um and then then we have you know the

[1:25:54] issue of some of the positions I'll tell

[1:25:57] you I was waiting to post until after

[1:25:58] the conversation or The Residency thing

[1:26:01] because all of our applications go out

[1:26:03] saying you know applicants must even

[1:26:05] live in the city so I do know a lot of

[1:26:08] professionals are not going well why

[1:26:10] would you apply your job or at the

[1:26:12] bottom of it where it says requirements

[1:26:14] it says it if you can so when we post we

[1:26:16] don't get a lot of responses but indeed

[1:26:19] it doesn't happen indeed it's just a big

[1:26:20] Rule and you'll pull from

[1:26:22] so but wouldn't some of these positions

[1:26:24] be considered specialty positions so The

[1:26:27] Residency requirement

[1:26:30] I'm not aware of that exceptions that we

[1:26:32] just have to get a waiver oh okay

[1:26:35] so in fact in the last few years we were

[1:26:38] trying to uh apply for these jobs we've

[1:26:41] had months where nobody would even apply

[1:26:43] we you know we put them out there nobody

[1:26:45] would even apply for it for these

[1:26:47] positions and I mean I don't want to get

[1:26:49] Louise with everything but now too so us

[1:26:52] was it civil service we're really

[1:26:54] looking at qualifications

[1:26:56] so where even if we feel like somebody

[1:26:58] has a good head on their shoulders and

[1:26:59] did a well interview and we think um they may not be approved

[1:27:04] because their background and experience

[1:27:06] may not match up with Civil Service

[1:27:07] things the position can have can do and

[1:27:10] they get rejected and that's happened

[1:27:11] quite a few times recently so

[1:27:15] it's yes oh I mean I I don't really want

[1:27:18] to do that defense but isn't it like

[1:27:20] what do you have to say or whatever a

[1:27:22] professional is doing the hiring has to

[1:27:24] say doesn't that carry any weight at all

[1:27:26] with social services

[1:27:31] oh my gosh hmm maybe she's upright the

[1:27:36] job description

[1:27:43] listening to all this and I really

[1:27:45] appreciate and recognize your Ingenuity

[1:27:47] because it seems like you're just

[1:27:48] keeping this

[1:27:49] barely from capsizing with like The

[1:27:52] Limited crew and it gets reflected like

[1:27:55] you're doing a lot with limited

[1:27:57] resources I guess I I want to know if

[1:28:00] you're able to identify if this person

[1:28:03] hasn't already passed but where's your

[1:28:05] breaking point is it truly the oh no

[1:28:07] don't say it

[1:28:09] don't don't know anything

[1:28:13] about it sorry it's uh I'm trying to

[1:28:16] know when our point is if we need to act

[1:28:18] or change something differently because

[1:28:19] I think you're aware of the posting

[1:28:22] positions we're knocking applicants so

[1:28:24] it's when do we need to do something

[1:28:25] different has that moment already passed

[1:28:28] or truly what is going to be lacking

[1:28:30] within the city if it can't be anything

[1:28:33] on this first page because I know our

[1:28:35] projects that we need to do them so yeah

[1:28:38] and this first page let me see you're

[1:28:39] looking at this was just an example I

[1:28:41] printed this because I didn't think you

[1:28:42] guys would believe me

[1:28:44] uh this page I highlighted this this

[1:28:47] date here is December of 2015 so it

[1:28:51] shows you how long I've been doing these

[1:28:52] sheets so these sheets I put them in

[1:28:55] that PDF that I sent out these are the

[1:28:57] only thing that keeps me sane and

[1:28:58] organized it's a silly Excel document

[1:29:01] that is organized but it's organized by

[1:29:04] project type who I gave it to

[1:29:06] assignments what category is under so I

[1:29:09] just wanted to show you that I didn't

[1:29:10] make these documents because what I what

[1:29:12] I was afraid of is that you guys would

[1:29:13] say well no wonder Chris was so

[1:29:15] overwhelmed we spent all this time

[1:29:16] making these freaking documents and

[1:29:18] these documents exist this is this is

[1:29:20] how I is a budget folder year to year

[1:29:23] and all this exists and this is my

[1:29:25] day-to-day so um you know for instance

[1:29:27] the one thing I will show is that you

[1:29:29] know this this sheet here this is the

[1:29:32] closed project I apologize they're gray

[1:29:34] on my sheet I didn't think about the

[1:29:36] flexibility I have gray and small but

[1:29:39] you know 6 5 million dollars of

[1:29:41] completed projects

[1:29:43] you know and that probably up and down

[1:29:45] and then the next sheet is uh and

[1:29:48] usually when I printed my 11 by 17 but I

[1:29:50] thought that'd be harder to hold but uh

[1:29:52] the next one is my construction project

[1:29:54] you know so these are all the projects

[1:29:56] that are Bid awarded in construction

[1:29:58] going to construction something so right

[1:30:01] now you know our department has 21

[1:30:02] million dollars of projects in

[1:30:04] construction and all this is is just

[1:30:06] sorting it you know John's types it

[1:30:08] doesn't come too short then you get to

[1:30:10] design I have 27 million dollars of

[1:30:14] project in design phase so these are the

[1:30:16] projects that are going to happen next

[1:30:19] year some point that we're working on

[1:30:21] designing

[1:30:23] um so examples are docs Kings Road

[1:30:26] Bridge under there uh Forest Road

[1:30:29] improvements which we're working on City

[1:30:30] Hall projects and road projects of 27

[1:30:33] million dollars of active design

[1:30:34] projects and then the impending one is

[1:30:37] projects that aren't quite off the

[1:30:39] ground yet but all have Merit uh for the

[1:30:42] dri is on here right now because

[1:30:45] I'm still working on getting firms on it

[1:30:47] once I get a firm signed and on board it

[1:30:49] moves from pending to design so right

[1:30:52] now this is 27 million so 27 million 27

[1:30:55] million 21 million so we're right around

[1:30:57] 70 million dollars of construction in

[1:31:00] some capacity and I guess my point was

[1:31:02] when I was getting at is all of this is

[1:31:05] in addition to this

[1:31:09] you know so like yesterday uh my

[1:31:12] assistant you know his daughter had a

[1:31:13] baby his first grandchild he wasn't in

[1:31:16] so there is myself and Colleen and we do

[1:31:19] this so it it's a challenge your

[1:31:22] breaking point I don't know if I have I mean I think

[1:31:25] I'm well beyond it you know it's like

[1:31:27] one of those things is once you're into

[1:31:28] the insanity you're into it you know

[1:31:30] what I mean looking at these sheets by

[1:31:31] looking at the Matrix but uh the one

[1:31:34] thing I will say is that

[1:31:37] um I do feel that

[1:31:39] what will be determined the Department's

[1:31:42] not what I wanted to be I don't think it

[1:31:44] fairly represents what I wanted to be if

[1:31:46] you were to come up into the department

[1:31:47] it looks like hell I mean you know

[1:31:50] because the maps I have to put them away

[1:31:52] because no one else knows where they go

[1:31:54] so they don't get put away they just get

[1:31:56] stacked up because I don't have time to

[1:31:58] put the maps away right our furniture is

[1:31:59] from 1940 we don't have staff you know

[1:32:02] what I mean like so if if you come up

[1:32:04] people appreciate what we're doing but I

[1:32:06] don't feel it it reflects what we're

[1:32:08] doing and similarly the pool project or

[1:32:11] the road project those projects I

[1:32:13] haven't seen them because if I leave my

[1:32:15] office then the wheels stop working and

[1:32:19] so I have people that go out and tell me

[1:32:21] they send me text photos of it so I'm

[1:32:23] like Herbert Hughes up there in my

[1:32:25] office all the time just making sure the

[1:32:27] paperwork

[1:32:29] um but that's where I was going to ask

[1:32:31] you like all of the um projects that we

[1:32:34] have approved through our that are here

[1:32:36] in the capital budget

[1:32:37] um which I think we talk about later we

[1:32:39] haven't talked about this we're going to

[1:32:40] talk about right after this yeah

[1:32:41] um those aren't even this are they

[1:32:44] all well that's what I'm getting at is

[1:32:45] that not on bet they are on these

[1:32:50] [Music]

[1:33:00] but and I do have people working but

[1:33:03] what I'm getting at is that like for

[1:33:05] instance I showed up competing yesterday

[1:33:06] and the comment was Oh I thought you

[1:33:08] were dead because that particular person

[1:33:10] that was at the meeting sent me five

[1:33:12] emails when I got back to none of them

[1:33:14] because the emails were about something

[1:33:16] that was bio important to them

[1:33:20] wasn't my priority you know my

[1:33:22] priorities right now are finished piece

[1:33:24] up was to open the bridge right kind of

[1:33:26] get everything dialed in for the winner

[1:33:28] get the pool done pay bills

[1:33:31] you know a lot of times we don't pay

[1:33:32] bills on time that's a huge issue for

[1:33:35] Anthony and we'll get people because

[1:33:37] it's a big stack of bills

[1:33:39] you know so we got to pay the bills

[1:33:41] that's that's the problem is that I I

[1:33:43] like my job and I like what we're doing

[1:33:45] but I don't think it represents what I

[1:33:47] wanted to represent I wanted to be

[1:33:49] a slick organization book with the

[1:33:51] amount of money that we're doing and the

[1:33:54] amount of staff that we have it's not

[1:33:55] possible there's a lot of bumps in the

[1:33:57] world and I think people are cognizant

[1:33:59] of it which makes it workable like

[1:34:01] people know that they're busy they know

[1:34:03] what we're doing I mean we talked about

[1:34:04] it you know

[1:34:06] um I got you know the most federal money

[1:34:08] this year of all 20 mispowers we got 60

[1:34:11] million dollars the next highest was six

[1:34:14] it's the dri if you were to have to

[1:34:17] worry about the dri the dri was awarded

[1:34:19] because of one of my products because

[1:34:21] they loved it so much that they

[1:34:25] that's another

[1:34:29] and so it's doable I know this sounds

[1:34:31] like

[1:34:33] boasting at the same time

[1:34:35] but I like this is this is engineering

[1:34:37] this is what we're doing

[1:34:39] um I would appreciate more staff I don't

[1:34:41] know how we get there we have the

[1:34:43] Consultants to do it uh you know that's

[1:34:45] why the Fearless is that I Rely a lot on

[1:34:48] John you know I realize

[1:34:51] no I'm just saying what's what's I'm

[1:34:54] nervous about the future yeah I'm

[1:34:57] nervous about you know like Paul and I

[1:34:59] have a really good relationship

[1:35:01] he knows what I know what he does he

[1:35:03] knows what I you know and everybody's

[1:35:07] who you see in a year this department

[1:35:09] when the city is going vastly different

[1:35:12] so Chris I mean we know I can speak

[1:35:17] historically you're coming for us almost

[1:35:21] every budget

[1:35:22] you know talking about your department

[1:35:24] is not complaining it's not posting it's

[1:35:25] what you're doing on a daily basis so I

[1:35:27] want to reference that and we have seen

[1:35:29] it we're seeing it across the city the

[1:35:31] project that you're completing it was

[1:35:33] what you're doing answer and the past

[1:35:35] you keep taking on one of the daily

[1:35:37] bases now um just cross my mind looking

[1:35:40] at this document here this document here

[1:35:42] is more of a scheduler who will help

[1:35:45] with this have you ever considered

[1:35:46] hiring a schedule to help a schedule yes

[1:36:09] Anthony was really pushing me towards I

[1:36:13] think I think what's happened over the

[1:36:15] first eight years and I've been here

[1:36:17] kind of first eight years was we'd be we

[1:36:19] have been really obsessed with trying to

[1:36:21] hire a PT we have to hire a PD let's get

[1:36:24] another PE but what's happened is now

[1:36:27] that I have this and this isn't new

[1:36:28] these you know this is this this

[1:36:31] grouping is new these are PES all right

[1:36:34] these people are more than qualified to

[1:36:36] do engineering that's the you know the

[1:36:38] firms I have these are all the PES right

[1:36:41] what Anthony and I have come what he has

[1:36:43] made me realize honestly is that

[1:36:47] bodies who know the Arid system right

[1:36:50] can help with things like because if you

[1:36:52] have to think about it like if I were to

[1:36:54] leave I'm not saying but if I were to

[1:36:55] leave no one knows where the maps go now

[1:36:59] you know I call I actually call Steve

[1:37:01] Caruso who was here for 30 years I don't

[1:37:03] know if you guys remember Steve Stevens

[1:37:05] phenomenal I call Steve once a month to

[1:37:08] ask him where something goes

[1:37:10] because that's just how it works you

[1:37:12] know there's we have no institutional

[1:37:14] knowledge up there I have a hard time

[1:37:17] struggling with things you know the same

[1:37:18] way we're like we're looking for an

[1:37:19] as-built map of uh Kingsway arm over off

[1:37:22] of Kings Road yeah and I'm like I know

[1:37:25] we built this in the 80s like why can't

[1:37:27] I find a map of it and you know he came

[1:37:29] he was doing something came here and

[1:37:30] he's like oh you know why it's because

[1:37:32] it was called this

[1:37:33] and I'm like oh he found it in the book

[1:37:36] and I'm like you know and that's what

[1:37:38] I'm getting at it's like those little

[1:37:40] things I would love to hire someone to

[1:37:41] come

[1:37:42] go through everything and just scanning

[1:37:44] and just once again I would have to do

[1:37:46] all of that that's a huge process so it

[1:37:50] doesn't get done because these things

[1:38:06] in terms of the ips3 for example

[1:38:10] um and I know the idea of working within

[1:38:14] a class and getting outside of a class

[1:38:16] but so I don't know all the details

[1:38:17] there but I mean would that person be

[1:38:19] able to help you with

[1:38:21] filing the maps or for example the bills

[1:38:25] I guess and I feel like we heard this a

[1:38:27] little bit with Mr Gardner as well like

[1:38:31] why are you having to pay the bill bills

[1:38:34] as opposed to somebody in our

[1:38:37] accounting area

[1:38:39] we pay them but if we process it from

[1:38:42] them yes

[1:38:45] the approval piece yeah

[1:38:47] I would rather do his end than mine

[1:38:50] I mean it's hard again it's still it's

[1:38:53] still creating you know getting the

[1:38:55] invoice creating the you know the

[1:38:57] requisition form Finance so I signed I

[1:38:59] probably have to do that Colleen does that so and she does

[1:39:04] that for all the facilities in the golf

[1:39:05] course

[1:39:07] the parks

[1:39:21] now my name is just like a circle

[1:39:23] because it's just such a because that's

[1:39:25] we have to sign I have to sign a lot of

[1:39:27] stuff and I don't know

[1:39:30] if there's any other questions like who

[1:39:32] would sign it otherwise you know if you

[1:39:34] don't have it no I get that I just was I

[1:39:36] mean to answer that Chris is more of you

[1:39:38] signing it because you're doing you're

[1:39:39] looking at the progress work and you're

[1:39:42] looking at something else on the payment

[1:39:43] application so they're feeling for what

[1:39:44] is completed yeah building for excessive

[1:39:47] work that is yeah the other part of it

[1:39:49] is though is it's just

[1:39:50] I mean honestly being a supervisor right so last week you know I went last

[1:39:55] week one of the bills had a vendor's

[1:39:58] home on it was just the wrong because it

[1:40:01] got the wrong Bill nobody caught it and

[1:40:03] you know so I called him up and I said

[1:40:04] is this the right bill that has your

[1:40:05] home address on it he goes oh no that

[1:40:07] should be this you know so it wasn't

[1:40:09] caught and some bills say the wrong

[1:40:11] place okay they have to want to know we

[1:40:13] bought this from Home Depot

[1:40:15] who does it get charged with and also I

[1:40:18] mean there is value that I have to do

[1:40:20] these things that's just a thing it's a

[1:40:22] big thing

[1:40:23] so so it seems like you have a lot of

[1:40:27] free time on your hands that's what

[1:40:28] you're talking about you know I guess I

[1:40:30] like that I like that I won't tell you

[1:40:33] this right because I don't want anything

[1:40:34] you guys think I'm so smart no no no the

[1:40:37] uh I I also have a nine-year-old and an

[1:40:40] 11 year old all right so Anthony can

[1:40:42] attest to this when I started here at

[1:40:44] 31. I came in

[1:40:46] twice three times a week and I work nine

[1:40:49] to midnight because I like nights and it

[1:40:51] was quiet right those days are long

[1:40:54] behind me I have to get everything I can

[1:40:56] done from nine to five because from five

[1:41:00] to nine is another job it's a whole

[1:41:02] other responsibility and I told him I

[1:41:04] told Anthony that I'm actually staying

[1:41:06] late on Mondays because I get so much

[1:41:08] more done

[1:41:10] browsers when the phones are you know it's amazing what you can just

[1:41:15] put it quiet what you can get done and I

[1:41:18] bet if I could do that more

[1:41:21] I probably wouldn't go as crazy but I

[1:41:23] just not it's not feasible until my kids

[1:41:24] are in college you know where you can

[1:41:26] actually dedicate more time so if you

[1:41:28] guys are sitting around saying you know

[1:41:29] Chris is working 80 hours a week

[1:41:32] I mean I don't want to paint that

[1:41:33] picture I'm I I'm working right I work

[1:41:36] more than the you know what it is but

[1:41:39] I also have this other balance which is

[1:41:41] hurting me at the other end of it you

[1:41:43] know like if like a doctor's appointment

[1:41:45] you know like there's life now and work

[1:41:47] and everything you know if I put life

[1:41:49] into these things yeah it'd be crazy so

[1:41:52] no more clay balance no it's it's just

[1:41:56] hard right so in Austin

[1:42:01] I think that so I just want to make sure

[1:42:04] I'm going to stand and clear so at one

[1:42:06] point it was like you know and of course

[1:42:07] you need to fill these where you were

[1:42:09] looking to fill these positions but now

[1:42:13] um through kind of here

[1:42:15] uh thinking now is that if we can get

[1:42:18] people who might not even be as uh

[1:42:21] especially skilled training in these

[1:42:23] areas but just want that administrative

[1:42:25] support is as that kind of like the

[1:42:27] direction yeah so one of those like I

[1:42:29] said the senior the senior engineering

[1:42:32] technician was seen as a under a level

[1:42:35] of a junior engineer

[1:42:37] but it does not require uh it does it

[1:42:40] has more outs than the job description

[1:42:41] than you know of Junior engineering

[1:42:43] which was a junior engineer if you were

[1:42:44] to look at it I mean you've got to

[1:42:45] remember the history of the city and

[1:42:46] history the job reports the junior

[1:42:47] engineer is a student from Clarkson or

[1:42:51] RPI that comes to work for the city I

[1:42:53] was a junior engineer when I started in

[1:42:54] 2005. assuming Buffalo graduate right no

[1:42:57] experience come in but I mean I don't I

[1:43:00] talked to the union about it just a

[1:43:02] little bit but

[1:43:05] their rates are here everybody rates are

[1:43:07] here you know I told somebody that if

[1:43:09] somebody comes and applies for my junior

[1:43:11] engineering position in this economy

[1:43:12] there's something wrong with them why

[1:43:15] are you find me this unit 65 the dot 65

[1:43:18] and private's over 65. so why would you come here for 45

[1:43:23] you know so that's what we talked about

[1:43:24] trying to get people that are City

[1:43:28] residents that you know like you know

[1:43:31] almost like the cold war try to see what

[1:43:32] codes or you know some kind of level

[1:43:33] where maybe the requirements for

[1:43:35] Education are a little well because it

[1:43:37] doesn't mean you don't have a good head

[1:43:38] on your shoulders it doesn't mean you

[1:43:39] can't you know help with the job and

[1:43:41] then we'll train them and the other

[1:43:42] thing is trying to get you know and this

[1:43:44] is not trying to be ages it's just my

[1:43:47] staff I get a lot of resumes from people

[1:43:49] who have retired who are looking for

[1:43:52] work because they retire at 65 and they

[1:43:55] say I got some good years left in me and

[1:43:57] they want to work and I have gotten a

[1:43:59] lot of resumes like that the problem is

[1:44:02] there's not

[1:44:05] you know like I don't know how much they

[1:44:06] can pass on you know if you have

[1:44:08] somebody who's 40 who's going to be here

[1:44:10] to Pat like if I teach someone that's

[1:44:13] going to retire that's retired

[1:44:14] everything about the city they're gone

[1:44:15] in two years

[1:44:17] they take all of it with them you know

[1:44:19] whereas you know that's what I'm getting

[1:44:20] on my phone is it's like you know I

[1:44:22] spend or 10 years you know

[1:44:24] trying to pass the Anthony is doing that

[1:44:26] with Derek you know Derek you know

[1:44:28] working with him to bring him up to

[1:44:29] speed you know having that you know

[1:44:31] right now everyone in my office is you

[1:44:34] know so have you discussion have you

[1:44:36] discussed this resume with the man in

[1:44:38] terms of The Residency uh waiver

[1:44:41] that is something you should discuss

[1:44:43] with him to see if there can be some way

[1:44:46] over

[1:44:47] I actually pushed I said just bring the

[1:44:50] guy in I'll come with you well find

[1:44:53] somebody you like me

[1:44:55] push him in there

[1:44:57] I mean I mean like if I find somebody

[1:44:59] you know and that's the other problem I

[1:45:01] was even trying to

[1:45:03] you know you know we talk about how to

[1:45:04] steal somebody you know can we steal

[1:45:06] somebody from another company or steal

[1:45:08] somebody but they're stealing from us

[1:45:11] I'm just we've thought about it but you

[1:45:15] know you have to pass the exam there is

[1:45:17] no exam available to study off of

[1:45:19] there's there's things it's just it puts

[1:45:22] you in a tough spot

[1:45:24] I'm glad that you you bring this to our

[1:45:26] attention this on this page here in

[1:45:28] terms of outlining the the PE forms and

[1:45:31] that is on board with you to support you

[1:45:33] in the engineering department because

[1:45:35] sometimes we wonder

[1:45:37] are these enough

[1:45:38] um support staff that you have but this

[1:45:40] kind of make a little easy for us to

[1:45:42] know that you do have support staff of

[1:45:44] do you need to add more I mean that's

[1:45:46] your call and there is funding available

[1:45:48] for it you should you know because

[1:45:51] you're doing a lot and they're more done

[1:45:53] by playing coming your way

[1:45:55] yeah that was good

[1:45:57] increasingly busy

[1:46:00] money into the city

[1:46:03] I know and that's the other issue is

[1:46:05] Right On My Own Worst Enemy with that

[1:46:07] yeah you don't bring any money in you

[1:46:09] don't really work yeah all right so

[1:46:11] let's go through uh yeah that was in

[1:46:13] depth that was wonderful uh I think that

[1:46:15] was uh so this Ultra Public Works admin

[1:46:19] I have a question about the engineering

[1:46:20] case go ahead

[1:46:23] um so so you wanted to add that we're

[1:46:26] not seeing it on here so we want you

[1:46:28] want to add this IPS threads

[1:46:31] page nine page nine age nine Public

[1:46:34] Works admin okay

[1:46:37] 38 339

[1:46:39] okay that's where that person is

[1:46:42] yeah all right

[1:46:45] I was just looking at selling

[1:46:47] the csda wants people to start at step

[1:46:50] one

[1:46:52] I mean that's the issue with the junior

[1:46:53] engineer engineer Step One is something

[1:46:55] like 45. any question on the Public

[1:46:58] Works admin

[1:47:00] no

[1:47:02] yes go ahead please

[1:47:05] um well so uh we see that um let's just

[1:47:09] be

[1:47:10] um we see what your current salary is

[1:47:12] and

[1:47:15] is

[1:47:16] was there did you request more I mean I

[1:47:19] just wanted to say I sent a request to

[1:47:21] John and yourself I didn't know if I I

[1:47:23] was thinking it would got distributed I

[1:47:25] don't know if it did we also asked a

[1:47:27] requests

[1:47:29] all the way through I did submit it to

[1:47:31] the mayor and it was not it did not make

[1:47:34] it into this budget

[1:47:35] uh it was you know because he went with

[1:47:37] four percent management price so uh but

[1:47:40] that's why I put it into the council to

[1:47:42] say I I put a request in for a hundred

[1:47:45] and forty thousand

[1:47:47] um the number is in line with the

[1:47:50] promotion uh the raise that uh Andrew

[1:47:53] received last year which was

[1:47:55] approximately 24 and it's also in line

[1:47:57] with the information that I disseminated

[1:47:59] about engineers in the area

[1:48:03] um city of Saratoga engineer which is

[1:48:05] half of the city Side here and half of

[1:48:08] the budget they're in the budget for 148

[1:48:11] 500 pound of michiguna their Engineers

[1:48:15] 145 000 in the town of Glenville which

[1:48:20] recently posted is 120 which is 5 000

[1:48:24] more than on that so

[1:48:27] um this is not once again it's a similar

[1:48:29] discussion that Anthony made and that

[1:48:31] we've had is uh you know I am going to

[1:48:34] advocate for myself I believe that I am

[1:48:37] the top Municipal engineer in the area I

[1:48:40] don't think that there is a doubt about

[1:48:43] it by bringing the work I get the work

[1:48:45] done

[1:48:47] um I have an extremely impressive logo

[1:48:50] of contacts um you know of what we can

[1:48:53] get done I've never not delivered on a

[1:48:54] project and so I look around at peers

[1:48:58] who do less in smaller communities with

[1:49:01] more staff

[1:49:03] I have to say that you know

[1:49:05] this is this is my career you know what

[1:49:08] I mean this is not something that I take

[1:49:10] lightly go to school I submitted my

[1:49:12] resume uh with that you know I went to

[1:49:15] school for six years got an MBA from

[1:49:16] Union and I enjoy this but also

[1:49:20] you know this is a career this is

[1:49:22] something that you do in your trash bag

[1:49:24] would be the best at your career so

[1:49:25] that's where that's why I put it in

[1:49:27] there you know this is not the first

[1:49:28] time I've requested it but this is the

[1:49:30] first time that I have

[1:49:32] reflected after the mayor has cut it

[1:49:35] because it's just you know there were

[1:49:37] other extenuating circumstances this

[1:49:40] year that made me want to push a little

[1:49:42] harder

[1:49:43] um some are aware of some are not and uh

[1:49:46] I was told my value was here at the city

[1:49:48] so I'm asking the counselor to tell me

[1:49:50] what my value is and you know you can

[1:49:53] tell me it's valuable but like anything

[1:49:55] else you know

[1:49:57] Sports

[1:49:58] private business and all that your value

[1:50:00] is most times a number

[1:50:05] any additional question on this section

[1:50:07] before we move into engineering

[1:50:09] Construction and design

[1:50:11] so

[1:50:13] [Music]

[1:50:17] on that I'm sorry I have my notes I

[1:50:19] don't have that budget but it should be

[1:50:20] very similar

[1:50:22] um so we have one of the things we did

[1:50:23] do is we moved some position

[1:50:26] uh into here from I believe the water

[1:50:29] department Anthony right what we did yep

[1:50:31] so you know there is an additional

[1:50:33] position uh the assistant's civil yeah

[1:50:36] um so that's in there

[1:50:38] um and then we have our assistant to the

[1:50:40] city engineer that's Gary uh Junior

[1:50:43] engineer and then we have the arpa

[1:50:45] assistant to the civil and then the

[1:50:47] civil engineer so you know we have we

[1:50:51] have salary

[1:50:52] um and we're trying to figure out the

[1:50:54] best way to build people with that

[1:50:56] salary

[1:50:57] the assistant civil engineer is that a

[1:51:00] 0.5 or 1 32 000.

[1:51:04] the assistant civil engineer that one

[1:51:07] person it's one person but it's part

[1:51:10] time that's the person that works four

[1:51:12] to four to twenty hours oh okay but

[1:51:15] they're working part-time in your office

[1:51:16] in my office okay they are they are not

[1:51:19] a consultant they're a part-time yeah

[1:51:42] any other questions

[1:51:45] um the salary for your position

[1:51:47] is just in your it's just what we're

[1:51:50] seeing on in your department it's not

[1:51:52] spread out into any other department no that's just the junior or whatever I

[1:51:56] noticed from some of them but

[1:51:58] um historically there is a I'm not

[1:52:01] mistaken

[1:52:03] you mentioned

[1:52:08] because of your beautiful scene

[1:52:14] and then and then the idea what it was

[1:52:16] if the golf course were to

[1:52:19] go for my management the stipend goes

[1:52:22] with it because that's it is it is

[1:52:25] working you see what we do with the golf

[1:52:27] course and how it works I'm not saying

[1:52:28] that I can't handle it it's you know we

[1:52:31] have a good thing going but that it's

[1:52:33] not something that I'm personally going

[1:52:34] to hang on to if the work goes away but so the stipend is attached directly

[1:52:38] to that word okay yeah

[1:52:41] any other question Chris

[1:52:44] thank you

[1:52:46] fees for service you just want to

[1:52:48] address it for you know sure yeah

[1:52:52] um yeah we have fees for service line

[1:52:54] because you don't have my notes uh that

[1:52:56] is what we do use for professional

[1:52:57] service fees the smaller ones if we have

[1:52:59] a need for Engineering Services I also

[1:53:02] have arcgis license that we do as a

[1:53:04] share so all the Departments contribute

[1:53:06] to arcgis which is our JS program then

[1:53:09] we have AutoCAD civil 3D we have one

[1:53:12] license for that it's necessary just to

[1:53:14] be able to view uh and create files we

[1:53:17] also have a trimble program and we pay

[1:53:20] uh the cdtc uh uh a fee right now

[1:53:24] because they're helping us with some

[1:53:26] Road software to do a better evaluation

[1:53:28] of our work

[1:53:30] so we've got to see what went out it the

[1:53:33] use of it can go up and down depending

[1:53:35] on what we have or whatnot

[1:53:38] but I heard

[1:53:42] yeah the architecture of those ai's

[1:53:44] documentation every everything I have is

[1:53:46] through an AIA are you paying the fees

[1:53:49] to use that to use the program no um

[1:53:52] that's why we have an attorney

[1:53:55] okay so uh I'll try to clarify yeah the

[1:53:59] city does not have to my knowledge we do

[1:54:01] not have a license for AIA documents and

[1:54:04] because of that when I made my term

[1:54:06] agreements we hired an attorney who does

[1:54:09] have AIA permission to create the

[1:54:11] documents now if we're dealing with a

[1:54:13] contractor yes they Supply them and they

[1:54:17] have the AIA and we review them

[1:54:20] so I'm not I don't have an AIA contract

[1:54:22] because that would be that'd be another

[1:54:24] feat yeah I have another fee so I didn't

[1:54:26] hear you mentioned that but I know

[1:54:27] that's something that we yeah so Ron was

[1:54:29] talking about new reviews AI news is

[1:54:31] he's reviewing third party contractors

[1:54:33] who submit it in paper form and then he

[1:54:35] goes so our contract are coming through

[1:54:37] the attorney's office I have my own

[1:54:40] Attorney office okay that's how

[1:54:42] independent I am is I yeah

[1:54:45] all right any other questions for Chris

[1:54:49] saying that first thank you thank you

[1:54:52] for all of what you're doing in your

[1:54:54] office

[1:55:08] thanks guys thank you thank you

[1:55:16] yes

[1:55:26] [Music]

[1:55:39] we did the facilities portion already

[1:55:41] yeah we did we just have to do parties

[1:55:48] I put these down uh just just to let

[1:55:51] people know what you know what we plan

[1:55:53] to do these capital projects even though

[1:55:55] we're playing through our I thought you

[1:55:57] know just

[1:55:58] even in the future so you can go back

[1:56:00] and look to see

[1:56:01] you know what what uh what we plan to

[1:56:03] have projects get done so

[1:56:06] yeah uh I mean this year

[1:56:09] um engineering side capital is really

[1:56:11] fun to focus around Harper

[1:56:14] one of the things I guess I'll tell you

[1:56:15] about this little back of house is that

[1:56:18] previously you used to see things if you

[1:56:21] were here seven eight years ago I would

[1:56:24] request bonding money for projects like

[1:56:26] Erie Boulevard or Paving Project

[1:56:29] Specific federal aid projects and we

[1:56:32] will put that in here but because of the

[1:56:35] larger allocation of chips funding yeah

[1:56:38] we have some of the money to cover our

[1:56:40] shares with ships pretty adequately so

[1:56:42] instead of bonding additional money and

[1:56:44] reducing our bonding capacity Anthony

[1:56:46] and I talked about we're going to use

[1:56:48] the chips money that the state gives us

[1:56:50] because it is 100 eligible to be used

[1:56:52] and it's literally just you take this

[1:56:54] money we put it over here and it helps

[1:56:56] us and it's a lot easier you don't have

[1:56:57] to go through can you go to buy this

[1:56:59] money right we're not borrowing money so

[1:57:01] not I mean I can go through these

[1:57:03] projects but these are all the arpa

[1:57:04] funded projects

[1:57:06] um a diamond lighting General site

[1:57:08] improvements for Central Park the the

[1:57:10] pool in the bath house tennis courts

[1:57:12] Hillhurst Park uh over Fairview I wanted

[1:57:16] to make that happen uh the cool

[1:57:17] Riverside courts and Jerry Burrell Park

[1:57:20] improvements so those are all a lot of

[1:57:23] them are actually started in the design

[1:57:25] already because we kind of had a head

[1:57:27] start running when we made the

[1:57:28] applications

[1:57:30] um so I'm pretty comfortable with all

[1:57:32] those and then the street Improvement

[1:57:34] program 1.5 that is used to supplement

[1:57:38] our Paving program and things that are

[1:57:40] not chips eligible so 95 of the things

[1:57:43] that we do are chips eligible and five

[1:57:45] percent aren't and we try to make sure

[1:57:48] that we always have some money to do

[1:57:50] that five percent so for example if

[1:57:52] there is a road or park that needs to be

[1:57:55] paid if there's some Paving around the

[1:57:57] golf course or a parking lot or

[1:57:59] something that we own that's not

[1:58:00] necessarily a state recognized road we

[1:58:03] need to make sure that we have funding

[1:58:04] to be able improve his payment so we

[1:58:07] always make sure we have Improvement

[1:58:10] money in our coffers and that's what we

[1:58:14] do that okay any questions go ahead

[1:58:16] please so if we were to try to add the

[1:58:19] skateboard park in

[1:58:21] um so I I want to ask because I know I

[1:58:25] saw the bid

[1:58:27] um was 1 million plus the 250 000 for

[1:58:30] the um this uh the lights in the street

[1:58:35] um if we go to 890.

[1:58:37] but if we were to try to stay at

[1:58:39] Riverside and I know this is a whole

[1:58:41] long thing but

[1:58:43] do you think we could do something at

[1:58:45] Riverside for the 250 and not do those

[1:58:47] courts or

[1:58:49] um one of the things that I submitted

[1:58:50] which I don't think you got a chance to

[1:58:52] see was the 1.25 million for the park

[1:58:55] uh underneath 8.90.

[1:58:58] um so I just wanted to get your thoughts

[1:59:01] on that yeah

[1:59:02] um I think if we're going to do a skate

[1:59:04] park you should definitely allocate

[1:59:07] separate money for a skate park and I

[1:59:09] would think in excess of 500 000 all day

[1:59:12] just going off of it's very similar to

[1:59:15] the issue that we ran into the golf

[1:59:16] course in 2008 I know you guys Wonder so

[1:59:20] what happened with golf courses we get

[1:59:23] caught in this and it's not even a catch

[1:59:25] 22 is what it is your Aqua shoot right

[1:59:27] is that Golf Course contractors they

[1:59:29] travel the nation and they build

[1:59:31] beautiful golf courses and they have and

[1:59:33] if they're built into Pinehurst which is

[1:59:35] a private club right and they got it

[1:59:37] they go and this is what we're going to

[1:59:38] do when they do it you come to New York

[1:59:40] and and very similar to what Mike was

[1:59:42] saying from Happy electric right now

[1:59:44] we're bonds prevailing wage do you have

[1:59:47] a certified payroll do you have

[1:59:49] apprenticeship program what do you mean

[1:59:50] and all of a sudden they're like we're

[1:59:51] just a contractor out of North Carolina

[1:59:53] we are talking about and our costs go

[1:59:56] through the roof so similarly with these

[1:59:59] skateboarder Parts you know they were

[2:00:01] showing me private parts and parks and

[2:00:03] other states and he says all the New

[2:00:05] York cost is 95 a square foot

[2:00:08] and the skateboarders are using four

[2:00:10] tennis courts if we wanted to replace it

[2:00:12] I'm not saying this is what you're doing

[2:00:13] right but if we wanted to replace

[2:00:16] an exact four tennis courts with all the

[2:00:18] amenities and all that 95 it's 1.8

[2:00:22] million dollars

[2:00:24] and so what we're looking at is these

[2:00:27] guys

[2:00:28] if we just we just took the whole

[2:00:29] Riverside complex out and put an equal

[2:00:31] sized concrete with the ramps and all

[2:00:34] that yep you're over you're over 1.5

[2:00:36] million all day with that because of the

[2:00:38] size of it and so what what we're saying

[2:00:41] is these guys have been really nice to

[2:00:42] work with and they're not looking for

[2:00:44] pools and crazy Rams right so I think

[2:00:47] that we'll be able to get more they just

[2:00:49] want space to maybe want to set up some

[2:00:51] things but at the end of the day my

[2:00:53] opinion is is that we can't let them

[2:00:55] build things there this is the city park

[2:00:57] we can't make this DIY right you know it

[2:01:00] has to be designed and built and don't

[2:01:02] touch it and if they do touch it you get

[2:01:04] your wrists laughed about it don't touch

[2:01:06] it again you know because it's ours it's

[2:01:09] going to be ours we wouldn't allow

[2:01:10] someone to build their own swing set or

[2:01:11] slide right you wouldn't be able to do

[2:01:13] that in a city park so what now what I'm

[2:01:16] getting that long story with this is

[2:01:18] that with this one the street

[2:01:19] Improvement month the things that aren't

[2:01:22] included so if you put a skatepark right

[2:01:25] in the middle apartment a big concrete

[2:01:28] block right you go okay well now how do

[2:01:29] you get to it how do you light it where

[2:01:31] do you park

[2:01:33] I'm 99 sure we could use our bonded

[2:01:36] money to get you there to park there to

[2:01:39] light it because that is all Improvement

[2:01:41] it's asphalt that City owned that sort

[2:01:44] but

[2:01:45] that's how I was saying is that if as

[2:01:47] long as we can get the perimeter and the

[2:01:49] skate park done with money allocated for

[2:01:52] the skate park I would use this bonded

[2:01:56] type money because you can't use chips

[2:01:57] you can't maybe you would use cdpg but I

[2:02:00] don't know if you want to and and put

[2:02:02] that around there so that's why it was

[2:02:04] under 890 I would do all that work to

[2:02:07] get to the park and then build the park

[2:02:09] with the Harpo or the pond mm-hmm okay

[2:02:12] is that Anthony is that what you

[2:02:13] wouldn't see it right yeah that's what

[2:02:15] we've talked about

[2:02:18] but it's gonna

[2:02:19] everything's expensive I mean Paul tried

[2:02:21] to get a quote on replacing a concrete

[2:02:22] staircase and it was over half a million

[2:02:24] dollars that was the staircase you know

[2:02:27] this is a pretty elaborate thing and I

[2:02:29] know that we wanted to be representative

[2:02:30] of where we are as a city at this point

[2:02:32] so we want it to be nice and these guys

[2:02:34] are great

[2:02:35] we seem to have a following but the

[2:02:38] number one problem we have at the city

[2:02:40] it's the number one product is we

[2:02:42] shoestring budgets and then we don't

[2:02:44] know how to get it done

[2:02:46] you know we said well is it a one

[2:02:48] million dollar project how can you do

[2:02:50] one million and then it's a 1.5 million

[2:02:51] dollar project and we're scrambling

[2:02:52] we're having that issue with Jerry

[2:02:54] Barrel Park you know where our

[2:02:56] you want to get Jerry rail Park done you

[2:02:58] know when the bids come in high and now

[2:02:59] we're trying to figure out how do we get

[2:03:01] it done it's it's

[2:03:03] very complicated thing to do is try to

[2:03:05] get all these projects done we're

[2:03:07] fortunate that the street projects

[2:03:08] usually don't know but

[2:03:10] not every project is a Road apartment so

[2:03:12] Chris is going to be talking about this

[2:03:14] uh I already had any composition uh what

[2:03:17] kind of composition to run this in terms

[2:03:18] of liability

[2:03:24] I mean

[2:03:27] from my perspective because I want to

[2:03:29] say I'm a little bit of a realist with

[2:03:30] it is that

[2:03:31] a lot of City that's in a lot of

[2:03:33] skateboards so there has to be something

[2:03:35] with it but I do know that I spoke with

[2:03:37] the mayor and I don't want to speak for

[2:03:38] him but I think Anthony you might be

[2:03:40] talking about this he did mention

[2:03:41] something to me about when our insurance

[2:03:44] does get reviewed the skate park

[2:03:46] editions would get factored in like

[2:03:49] there is a possibility that our

[2:03:52] insurance carrier will say okay now you

[2:03:54] have a skate park and we go up yeah that

[2:03:58] he did mention that to me but I'm

[2:04:00] getting but I've been to Lake George

[2:04:02] Saratoga Albany has two Troys looking to

[2:04:05] build one so I don't think that we can

[2:04:07] sit and say whoa liability because

[2:04:09] people go in New York City that's 30.

[2:04:11] yeah no I'm not saying that we don't

[2:04:14] build it we build it but we need to

[2:04:15] address the liability you know what I'm

[2:04:16] about to take responsibility for the

[2:04:18] liability it's of the organization and

[2:04:20] so the people who are using it or is the

[2:04:22] city

[2:04:32] I think that's what I believe that's

[2:04:34] what Andrew is you know is is

[2:04:42] but those are yeah that's so not a ton

[2:04:45] of

[2:04:46] Apple but a lot of projects so we'll see you know once again all these

[2:04:51] projects can take so long to design that

[2:04:52] next year

[2:04:53] more Public Works

[2:04:55] speak but right now it's a little bit of

[2:04:59] a wall because now we're hitting this

[2:05:00] big design ramp again

[2:05:04] let's not add more to you if I am sure

[2:05:07] we're going to have what two or three

[2:05:10] more parts added to this

[2:05:11] studying as well Park um

[2:05:19] Woodland Park added to what you're

[2:05:23] seeing here right now

[2:05:44] you know is tough for me to talk about

[2:05:49] just me but I have to be my own agent I

[2:05:52] would be dismissed to say that this

[2:05:54] conversation should be had with a lot of

[2:05:56] people

[2:05:57] um you know there's a lot of people that

[2:05:59] do a lot of good work I know Christian

[2:06:00] mentioned Maurice you know he's doing a

[2:06:02] really good job I know we have a lot of

[2:06:04] good staff here and it's tough uh you

[2:06:06] know we don't have a garden movement or

[2:06:08] anything as managers you know John and I

[2:06:10] and Anthony so you know what I have

[2:06:12] always tried to do is my job to the best

[2:06:15] I can so that you guys go you know what

[2:06:18] Chris gets it done you know and that's

[2:06:21] how well we're doing it you know that's

[2:06:22] what it is but I would be risk to say

[2:06:24] that there's a lot of people that

[2:06:25] probably could

[2:06:27] deserve a bump too and I'm not I can't

[2:06:29] speak for him but it's out there and if

[2:06:31] I had people under me all my people

[2:06:32] reunion and then Joe was retiring so I

[2:06:35] don't have any of that situation but I

[2:06:36] don't think I think people sometimes get

[2:06:38] intimidated I've been here long enough

[2:06:40] for us

[2:06:41] yeah price enough yeah so I just wanted

[2:06:44] just to say that when you're looking at

[2:06:45] things trustful

[2:06:47] all right thanks guys thank you

[2:06:52] yeah

[2:06:55] don't you ready

[2:06:58] 11. Administration

[2:07:00] [Music]

[2:07:22] did John approve this

[2:07:26] I'm not aware that's why I mentioned it

[2:07:28] doesn't document

[2:07:32] it's a good thing you are moving them in

[2:07:35] a good direction

[2:07:37] right they give people an indication on

[2:07:40] what's going on

[2:07:43] [Music]

[2:07:45] okay yeah a lot of grip

[2:07:48] but that's good we all love pictures

[2:07:50] right

[2:07:51] and I'm not going to talk as much as

[2:07:54] Chris

[2:07:58] Anthony can you just give us a snapshot

[2:08:01] of utility Administration and then we'll

[2:08:03] have John kind of walk us through what

[2:08:07] is going on there

[2:08:08] [Music]

[2:08:11] not only does he have the utilities

[2:08:13] Administration he's also assigned

[2:08:15] maintenance uh traffic utilities and

[2:08:19] phones and I.T and

[2:08:22] what am I missing Johnny

[2:08:25] yes go ahead

[2:08:27] that's it you're talking about increase

[2:08:30] you're talking about things come on

[2:08:34] hey Toby utilities uh Administration

[2:08:37] that increases by 7.77 by 15 000 uh

[2:08:43] total communication Central

[2:08:45] Communications was up 30 000.

[2:08:52] [Music]

[2:08:58] and then again I said the sign language

[2:09:01] total sign uh utility sign maintenance

[2:09:04] is up to Audi 19

[2:09:06] 144 hours and uh your traffic is up

[2:09:09] seventy thousand four twelve utilities

[2:09:11] for that

[2:09:12] and then Street lighting is uh up

[2:09:15] I'll explain that to you too a million

[2:09:17] two

[2:09:19] I wanted to do that so that you don't

[2:09:21] have to be in currency

[2:09:24] all right so we'll do um utilities

[2:09:26] Administration page 11.

[2:09:29] uh

[2:09:38] there is a salary bump for one of the

[2:09:41] employees on the 100 line

[2:09:45] um going down I don't think there's can

[2:09:48] you can you explain the reason for the

[2:09:50] pump I can so

[2:09:52] um

[2:09:53] yeah the principal billing account for

[2:09:56] the VP Club has been here for a number

[2:09:59] of years

[2:10:00] has over uh time increased a lot of the

[2:10:04] duties that she's been doing she's

[2:10:08] this person is uh trains everyone on all

[2:10:12] of the software that we use our unit

[2:10:14] software our Unicity software she

[2:10:17] creates all the

[2:10:19] reports for us she uh does all of the

[2:10:22] role-based access control to make sure

[2:10:25] that we have a proper security

[2:10:28] [Music]

[2:10:29] which works well outside of her original

[2:10:33] duties and it has over the last several

[2:10:38] years actually been what I'll call 9 to

[2:10:40] system if there was an assistant

[2:10:43] superintendent job

[2:10:45] um this person would have

[2:10:48] so I mean I've seen that um you take

[2:10:50] that into consideration as a

[2:10:54] over even anything that you would give

[2:10:56] me because I believe that she

[2:10:58] wholeheartedly deserves it for the work

[2:11:00] that she's done I just want to add we're

[2:11:03] about to go into a major uh upgrade in

[2:11:05] our newness uh Citywide system where

[2:11:09] she's going to be the leader of the as

[2:11:11] she's been in the past a software

[2:11:14] upgrades are uh

[2:11:17] horrific as you will and uh we need

[2:11:20] somebody at that home that can make that

[2:11:24] as a minimal of an issue as possible

[2:11:29] I believe that's the only major uh

[2:11:32] change you can look at this great

[2:11:34] question on this how is this link to it

[2:11:38] supporting you with Hardware software

[2:11:40] you know otherwise just testing tea yes

[2:11:44] because no no I'm not saying well how

[2:11:45] does this link to it in terms of

[2:11:48] supporting this individual

[2:11:50] Society supporting this individual so

[2:11:53] again it's been evolution of how we use

[2:11:59] cross-training employees and get them to

[2:12:01] work outside of their limited

[2:12:04] responsibilities so you can look at that

[2:12:07] I.T staff and say that I'm actually one

[2:12:10] of them as well as this other employees

[2:12:13] so we just have many more duties

[2:12:16] including you know up and above that but

[2:12:18] we're supplementing the I.T Department

[2:12:21] she does a lot of software

[2:12:23] specifications

[2:12:24] the reason why I asked the question

[2:12:25] because a title

[2:12:39] and that person as well as I as well as

[2:12:43] several people in the city you know

[2:12:45] learn from the um bottom up and um have that in you

[2:12:51] know Chris mentioned I don't want to

[2:12:53] talk too much about this but

[2:12:55] institutional knowledge

[2:12:57] um that's where we exist right we have

[2:13:00] so much of that institutional knowledge

[2:13:02] that it's so much easier for us to sit

[2:13:05] there and do some sort of upgrade or

[2:13:07] change we know all the Departments we

[2:13:09] know how the Departments function and um

[2:13:11] to have us there to be able to do those

[2:13:13] upgrades uh are so much easier than

[2:13:16] anyone else could so actually I I would

[2:13:19] like to speak about that um because I

[2:13:21] have a concern about that so I don't

[2:13:23] know how this person is I don't know how

[2:13:25] old you are but eventually people are

[2:13:27] going retire and so I see you too is the

[2:13:29] only admin staff so I was interested in

[2:13:31] knowing what is does it look like in

[2:13:33] terms of succession planning you talk

[2:13:35] about all the things that she does even

[2:13:37] more and more and the same with you yeah

[2:13:39] so what does that look like in terms of

[2:13:40] more adding more staff or considering

[2:13:42] adding more staff so that people can now

[2:13:45] learn the next five or six years however

[2:13:47] long it's going to mentioned that before

[2:13:49] and I appreciate your kids

[2:13:52] [Music]

[2:13:55] gym we have started to look at that and

[2:13:58] one of the positions when we get to the

[2:14:00] I.T position is that we have added

[2:14:03] another PC support specialist that will

[2:14:07] be able to supplement some of the

[2:14:09] existing duties that our local area

[2:14:12] network administrator is doing right now

[2:14:16] as well as supplements some of the

[2:14:19] police department needs

[2:14:21] by being able to have that in third

[2:14:24] person uh assisting in that department

[2:14:27] then some of the things that I'm doing

[2:14:30] and this other person in my

[2:14:32] Administration doing we can start to

[2:14:35] slop off some of that duties to uh

[2:14:39] um you know reduce those types of issues

[2:14:43] you know basically you're training too

[2:14:44] at the same time right right you know

[2:14:46] quite frankly

[2:14:47] um I believe when I leave there'll be

[2:14:51] multiple people that'll probably be

[2:14:55] my duties will probably be split into a

[2:14:58] different number of people and I'm

[2:15:00] saying that because I have such a very

[2:15:03] uh repertoire of things that I do and I

[2:15:08] don't see you finding someone that's

[2:15:10] going to do all of them well so I think

[2:15:13] you know we'll probably start splitting

[2:15:14] them apart maybe something about here

[2:15:16] something they'll go there a great many

[2:15:18] of those duties will go to the it

[2:15:22] um local area network administrator I

[2:15:26] believe so we're trying to position him

[2:15:29] to have more time available to do a lot

[2:15:32] of the things that I'm doing so we are

[2:15:34] kind of working on that now yeah okay

[2:15:36] you're right I do ask and I asked for

[2:15:38] all the time the concern is still there

[2:15:41] I force them to put an extra ID

[2:15:45] okay and that's this new position

[2:15:47] [Music]

[2:15:48] um

[2:15:48] help desk support specialist I.T it says

[2:15:52] need enough it says it's starting a

[2:15:54] succession planning yeah for Lisa and

[2:15:57] John yes it does Dodge I forced it up

[2:16:00] um

[2:16:02] any other questions on this section

[2:16:05] utilities Administration

[2:16:10] um

[2:16:11] [Music]

[2:16:18] page 14. right to the bottom

[2:16:28] I'm sure we have a oh that yeah so 30

[2:16:31] 000 uh increase from the previous year

[2:16:33] but every two is every two years Josh

[2:16:37] every two years there's uh every other

[2:16:40] year we have to pay an additional what's

[2:16:42] that called that it's done maintenance

[2:16:44] for the whole new system by appointment

[2:16:46] for two years

[2:16:56] okay because I had a question there too

[2:16:58] because I know maybe we bought some

[2:16:59] equipment a couple years ago well I

[2:17:01] think our phone system is right now I

[2:17:04] think it's like 15 years old but it did

[2:17:06] have been up by a couple years ago

[2:17:08] reporting equipment no it's been a while

[2:17:13] [Music]

[2:17:25] that's the only item in that one

[2:17:32] the next page is uh 15 Central data

[2:17:37] processing I will show a lot of

[2:17:38] processing

[2:17:41] okay so in the central data processing

[2:17:44] um this is our I.T

[2:17:46] um or three people we have currently

[2:17:48] three people in there uh we had the land

[2:17:51] administrator and two help desk so we're

[2:17:54] requesting a third as well

[2:17:57] um

[2:17:57] let's see

[2:18:00] fees for service that's one of our our

[2:18:03] biggest codes it's 350 000 up from three

[2:18:06] hundred and twenty thousand

[2:18:08] um those are for our communist costs our

[2:18:11] immunosity costs are Office 365 which

[2:18:15] has been two years now I mean that's

[2:18:17] certainly a large expense we can go

[2:18:20] through uh if you want it's maintenance

[2:18:23] for all of our

[2:18:26] great deal of our city Network equipment

[2:18:31] um

[2:18:34] [Music]

[2:18:35] so the Tyler Technologies alone uh were

[2:18:38] estimating at uh roughly two hundred

[2:18:41] thousand dollars for uh for next year so

[2:18:43] that's a really large amount so if you

[2:18:45] pull that out

[2:18:46] um it's really uh not too many not too

[2:18:50] much larger things are virus protection

[2:18:53] uh this comes out of that one

[2:18:57] um other than the fees for service yeah

[2:18:59] okay our uh you guys have seen the know

[2:19:03] before training for the fishing training

[2:19:07] I've seen them many times

[2:19:11] something which honestly I think is

[2:19:12] really cool so we can ask me out of our

[2:19:15] budget and it keeps educating our

[2:19:18] employees because you know we we've been

[2:19:21] so lucky that we have not been uh

[2:19:24] touched and you know I'll never say that

[2:19:27] we can't be touched because we can but

[2:19:29] we're taking every kind of Step as we as

[2:19:32] much as possible to reduce the potential

[2:19:35] that that happens and by training our

[2:19:37] employees on what to click and what not

[2:19:39] to click um is certainly a big piece of

[2:19:41] it

[2:19:43] questions

[2:19:53] Mr Clean showed that Wayne administrator

[2:19:56] is that the secession planning you're

[2:19:58] referencing earlier

[2:19:59] welcome

[2:20:01] training nor is it a different I'm sorry

[2:20:04] the land administrators yeah so the land

[2:20:07] administrator is the position I

[2:20:09] mentioned before that by adding that

[2:20:12] additional help desk person it will free

[2:20:15] up that administrator to learn some more

[2:20:18] of my dream again thank you

[2:20:23] questions

[2:20:27] [Music]

[2:20:28] one more

[2:20:31] a couple more page 21.

[2:20:36] utilities

[2:20:41] so

[2:20:42] [Music]

[2:20:43] um

[2:20:43] those of you that aren't aware of what

[2:20:46] we do so the sign maintenance we

[2:20:48] maintain all of the signage of

[2:20:51] traffic signage uh all the temporary

[2:20:54] postings we do we take the streets uh

[2:20:58] we're doing a lot of painting of Street

[2:21:02] lighting and things trying to Spruce

[2:21:03] them up we've certainly done a lot of

[2:21:05] that over the last couple of years so

[2:21:09] those salaries come out of the

[2:21:11] assignment in Phoenix the 3310

[2:21:14] there are a couple of uh large upgrade

[2:21:18] requests the 3310 450 in particular uh

[2:21:22] we're going I'm asking to go from 35 000

[2:21:25] up to 60 000.

[2:21:27] um

[2:21:28] just want to make sure that's the one I

[2:21:30] want to talk about getting a moment

[2:21:35] tell spark yeah I just want to make you

[2:21:38] see where I pulled certain things from

[2:21:40] so so I have two larger codes so

[2:21:43] um obviously our costs had uh

[2:21:45] skyrocketed in the last couple of years

[2:21:47] because of metal costs

[2:21:50] um so those

[2:21:52] um include our sign blanks are

[2:22:09] yeah so there's two of them right so the

[2:22:11] 451 is where

[2:22:14] um I'm looking to get additional LED

[2:22:16] stop signs um

[2:22:21] provide some dollars for that uh as well

[2:22:26] as a good portion of the potential speed

[2:22:30] limit signs that we're looking to do

[2:22:33] so we're positioning ourselves for that

[2:22:35] right okay

[2:22:37] well I don't ask for a lot of upgrade

[2:22:39] through the up price increase cost

[2:22:42] increases but um there is a limit and we

[2:22:45] have to start uh budgeting

[2:22:48] um properly based on

[2:22:50] um the cost of items that we're getting

[2:22:53] today

[2:22:54] so that's why those two codes are going

[2:22:57] up 33 10 450 and 451. once come one's

[2:23:01] the speed limit signs are going to come

[2:23:03] out of and um the other one the

[2:23:05] additional LED stop signs as well as the

[2:23:09] cost increases

[2:23:14] questions

[2:23:17] um so is that going to be adequate

[2:23:20] um that is going to be adequate you

[2:23:21] think in terms of what we need we might

[2:23:23] need I always try to stay within my

[2:23:25] budget especially on those codes you'll

[2:23:27] never see me go over so we'll do what we

[2:23:30] have to uh yeah get it done okay and then my

[2:23:34] other question is um in terms of some of

[2:23:36] the traffic studies that we might have

[2:23:37] that we will have to do

[2:23:39] um is that um is there a cost to that or

[2:23:43] is it your time and that's so the

[2:23:46] traffic studies and we kind of had that

[2:23:48] discussion of one of the committee

[2:23:49] meetings and then it went South right so

[2:23:52] we do need to make some sort of

[2:23:56] decision on that the traffic studies

[2:24:01] to look at changing the speed limit

[2:24:05] um I did have a discussion with Chris

[2:24:07] about the potential that uh the cdtc

[2:24:10] um did have a a project that could

[2:24:14] potentially do some traffic studies

[2:24:17] um and we would look at that and see uh

[2:24:20] if the cost was zero or a smaller amount

[2:24:24] to do it through CTC as opposed to us

[2:24:27] hiring an engineering team so I think we

[2:24:30] just need some

[2:24:32] okay I thought that we actually had

[2:24:34] decided that we needed to go ahead with

[2:24:35] the traffic studies I don't think that

[2:24:38] anything was actually said that said go

[2:24:41] ahead

[2:24:43] okay

[2:24:46] no we didn't we did not we discussed it

[2:24:49] but we never fun

[2:24:52] I need to put it on the legislative make

[2:24:55] a legislative request

[2:24:57] I kind of because I think that was a

[2:24:59] discussion of leading towards uh yeah

[2:25:04] community meeting was okay it's now the

[2:25:07] next step

[2:25:35] but the material was from the old ones

[2:25:38] is there any value in that didn't get

[2:25:40] anything in return because yes we talked

[2:25:42] about that a little when that metal

[2:25:43] comes back I'm gonna take it we're going

[2:25:45] to clean it off and we're gonna put new

[2:25:47] faces on it okay

[2:25:49] can you quantify what these increases

[2:25:52] will mean in the number

[2:25:53] for each category

[2:25:55] um I mean I don't have those numbers

[2:25:58] with me I certainly uh did it based on

[2:26:02] the speed limit signs where you know we

[2:26:04] were talking about five thousand dollars

[2:26:06] at uh based on the number that we had

[2:26:09] and I added a little bit I think that's

[2:26:11] what the cost was uh for receiving this

[2:26:13] time

[2:26:15] um I think the

[2:26:16] um you know probably looking to get

[2:26:18] maybe another six or drop signs um they

[2:26:22] are very expensive so I don't think we

[2:26:24] want to go crazy we've been super lucky

[2:26:26] that none have been damaged you had to

[2:26:28] think that yeah we replaced uh a half a

[2:26:31] dozen signs every week

[2:26:33] it was at least

[2:26:36] stop signing that they've been very

[2:26:39] effective and totally I would say that

[2:26:42] yeah we certainly hear it from people

[2:26:43] that they reported on the sign

[2:26:45] maintenance supervisor is that a union

[2:26:47] position it is it is

[2:26:56] supervisor so really all three of them

[2:26:58] work uh one one supervisors over them

[2:27:02] um biggest change that we're looking at

[2:27:05] is uh they asked for uh 65 000 in a

[2:27:10] quick Place uh traffic controllers we

[2:27:14] have uh that'll give us about 15 traffic

[2:27:17] controllers that I'd like to change on

[2:27:20] Upper State Street

[2:27:22] um that are over 20 years old so that we

[2:27:24] can get them in our back in our

[2:27:26] coordinated system so that we can better

[2:27:30] monitor them and better overheat the

[2:27:33] signals up up there

[2:27:35] parties position all filled yes yeah but

[2:27:39] that third one took us a while ago we

[2:27:41] finally got it yeah last year

[2:27:46] took a while oh so the one that says

[2:27:49] Arbor is filled as well yeah yes

[2:27:53] that's awesome

[2:27:57] okay all right any questions on this no

[2:28:00] if not only want to uh equipment so um

[2:28:09] uh the other

[2:28:11] um change is the uh 425a which is the

[2:28:15] smart city

[2:28:16] um so again when you think of smart City

[2:28:18] there's a couple of different

[2:28:20] um things we're talking about right so

[2:28:22] this particular National pretty smart

[2:28:24] city if you remember going back to the

[2:28:26] committee meeting last week when we went

[2:28:28] machine and uh video analytics so um

[2:28:32] this is the second of three payments

[2:28:34] that we'd be making to National Grid uh

[2:28:37] for that equipment and that's why it's

[2:28:40] like in every other looks like in every

[2:28:41] other year kind of well the first

[2:28:44] payment was a hundred and two thousand

[2:28:46] the second payment was the uh was that

[2:28:48] 1.3 and then this one is a one point

[2:28:51] yeah and 21 was 1.3 yeah

[2:29:02] so you're talking about

[2:29:05] um currently working on the Zone A and B

[2:29:08] which is the north and south side of the

[2:29:10] state for the most part as well as the

[2:29:13] North End uh van brinken Avenue area

[2:29:17] um we uh if you recall we did receive a

[2:29:22] um

[2:29:29] that is helping us to do a great portion

[2:29:33] of

[2:29:34] um Hamilton Hill

[2:29:36] um the North End as well as

[2:29:41] around Seward place so uh I don't have

[2:29:44] the numbers I'm sorry I'm not wasn't

[2:29:46] prepared for that but I may come back

[2:29:48] and ask you for some more dollars so

[2:29:51] that we can at least get this core area

[2:29:53] uh complete but um

[2:29:56] we should have another uh 100 access

[2:30:00] points in the North End

[2:30:02] um late in the next uh I want to say two

[2:30:05] months

[2:30:07] so they're actively installing them out

[2:30:10] on the polls right now

[2:30:12] um when it's slow because we have to get

[2:30:14] National Grid to power them up and every

[2:30:16] place for the record every time we ask

[2:30:19] to put one of these up on the pole we

[2:30:22] have to go through a process with

[2:30:23] National Grid you have to send someone

[2:30:25] out there and measure and look at it and

[2:30:27] see if it's okay and then Verizon has to

[2:30:30] approve it it's a wicked long process

[2:30:33] but um we're getting through it and

[2:30:37] um we have about 300 access points in

[2:30:41] the pipeline and again the first hundred

[2:30:44] or so

[2:30:45] um and we should have relatively

[2:30:47] shortened and then those uh a little

[2:30:50] farther

[2:30:51] what are you

[2:30:52] um you know by the beginning of next

[2:30:55] year we do want to look at the potential

[2:30:57] to ask for some more funding so that we

[2:31:00] can continue the project because it's

[2:31:02] been so well received by our residents

[2:31:06] thank you and I can give you a better

[2:31:08] one if you you know you want me to come

[2:31:11] back

[2:31:11] um maybe next month let's get to the

[2:31:15] budget

[2:31:17] we paid it actually we paid it at 22. we

[2:31:21] charged it back yeah but that was we

[2:31:22] allocated about two million dollars over

[2:31:24] yeah there's two million yes yes

[2:31:29] foreign

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[2:31:52] [Laughter]

[2:32:02] foreign

[2:32:12] let me know if you have any other

[2:32:14] questions

[2:32:15] okay thank you all right thank you I

[2:32:17] think

[2:32:20] thank you

[2:32:22] all right

[2:32:35] thank you

[2:32:37] Department

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[2:32:47] here section forwards everything

[2:32:53] I don't see anything else Anthony is

[2:32:56] that correct hey do you have anything uh

[2:32:58] that we can touch on

[2:33:00] no no I just uh can I just ask a

[2:33:03] question about the process now yeah I

[2:33:06] asked him because there was a lot of

[2:33:07] requests there was a lot of different

[2:33:09] things and how do you put that together

[2:33:11] yeah the questions that we answer and we

[2:33:14] are print I'm printing out and getting

[2:33:16] copies to all the council members

[2:33:20] um is there anything if you go through

[2:33:22] your questions and the answer is not

[2:33:24] what you're looking for please let us

[2:33:25] know and we can reach out back to the

[2:33:28] department head to clarify any

[2:33:30] unanswered question or need additional

[2:33:32] information

[2:33:33] and one of the questions then how about

[2:33:36] changes yes you I mean I think we should

[2:33:40] just look at the question and if you

[2:33:41] feel that satisfied just reach out to me

[2:33:44] and I can ask Anthony

[2:33:58] yeah and I have to comment them for

[2:34:00] doing that because it's not easy to get

[2:34:02] all the answers to these questions and

[2:34:05] it doesn't mean that you guys keep

[2:34:07] submitting your questions we'll get an

[2:34:09] answer

[2:34:11] um tomorrow we'll group I am requesting

[2:34:13] that we meet at six I have a little bit

[2:34:16] of setback tomorrow so if you guys can

[2:34:19] please um give me a break at six o'clock

[2:34:22] tomorrow instead of 5 30 I really

[2:34:23] appreciate it

[2:34:25] um I know that I am getting some changes

[2:34:27] already we're getting some proposed

[2:34:29] changes

[2:34:30] you guys do that now you're gonna yeah

[2:34:32] separately decide the changes well we

[2:34:35] need six o'clock tomorrow okay

[2:34:38] discuss those um those changes tomorrow

[2:34:40] at six o'clock but I encourage everybody

[2:34:42] please submit I know John I'm trying to

[2:34:45] Papa John's I came to you late no that's

[2:34:47] all right send them in tomorrow and

[2:34:49] we'll discuss them but copy Anthony at

[2:34:52] what time we are proposing the changes

[2:34:56] that we must discuss our final

[2:34:59] budget with him okay being at a table

[2:35:02] with us I asked

[2:35:04] um Mr Ferrari to send me a list which he

[2:35:07] now I think all of us have of all across

[2:35:10] all departments so we probably end up

[2:35:12] having to do that next week

[2:35:14] um but there are I mean you'll see the

[2:35:17] chart because it was I think in our

[2:35:18] mailboxes

[2:35:20] um when we arrived today yesterday from

[2:35:22] yesterday yeah yeah there was nothing

[2:35:24] this was in yesterday yeah

[2:35:27] oh because I I wrote him yeah as soon as

[2:35:30] I asked him he's so funny to you because

[2:35:31] I said oh you probably didn't get it get

[2:35:33] it but it was there yesterday

[2:35:35] I see Mr Williams

[2:35:37] um have already presented to us before

[2:35:39] we got this conversation yesterday

[2:35:42] so yeah if you need to have further

[2:35:44] rationale for any of the other positions

[2:35:46] that are on this

[2:35:48] um I think we'd have to call the staff

[2:35:50] the department heads back in

[2:35:53] um if not send us send us the question

[2:35:55] that you may have and we can ask the

[2:35:57] department what we did today right

[2:36:01] a you know asking the same questions as

[2:36:04] we asked Mr Gardner to describe I guess

[2:36:07] is what I'm asking then you see the list

[2:36:10] yeah

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[2:36:14] Mr Gardner was kind of different because

[2:36:16] he's asking for a new apartment versus

[2:36:18] oh somebody asked me for an Empire

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Schenectady 2023 Budget Meeting #4 - Oct 20th 2022

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