[0:00] foreign

[0:06] [Music]

[0:24] [Laughter]

[0:29] excuse me

[0:31] foreign

[0:35] [Music]

[1:11] thank you

[1:17] hey don't worry

[1:23] thank you appreciate that

[1:29] there are hours

[1:41] something I would like to do it won't

[1:43] make it much money

[1:47] [Music]

[1:51] I guess I have a lot of time

[1:54] did you put it in the budget

[1:58] that's kind of asking tonight

[2:01] [Music]

[2:15] thank you

[2:18] hello

[2:27] [Music]

[2:32] are you put in all the updated

[2:33] information I believe that's what

[2:35] Anthony is doing now

[2:37] oh God

[3:13] sure

[3:15] okay great yes

[3:29] um

[3:45] foreign

[3:47] [Applause]

[4:16] foreign

[4:49] possible

[4:52] uh Anthony is still printing out some

[4:54] last the last kind of changes so it's

[4:56] going to be a few minutes probably in

[4:57] Philly

[5:06] Sam thanks for printing on the sound

[5:20] foreign

[6:06] [Music]

[6:23] I've seen yeah

[6:27] it's insane and I can just put them up

[6:30] in your face

[6:32] put them up

[6:34] I think next week what did it get the

[6:37] tree

[6:39] coming up soon together it's going to be

[6:42] corrupt the smaller ones in there yeah I

[6:45] saw them all yeah oh yeah

[6:51] um

[6:56] [Music]

[7:09] I'm happy because coming down myself

[7:19] yeah yeah

[7:25] people spend the second

[7:29] largest amendment

[7:38] I like it because there's people in the

[7:41] neighborhood gallery and then right us

[7:43] that would decorate for right

[7:47] field is probably on a plane right now

[7:49] to New Orleans for Halloween oh my gosh

[7:52] oh

[7:54] send you I have a

[7:56] I told her that but they they they're

[7:58] going to these trick-or-treat things

[8:00] these I don't think she'll spend much

[8:03] time off of burgers

[8:15] lots of prayers this weekend

[8:28] people give out some certification of

[8:31] the type of in the prison review

[8:36] I got Snickers Reese's cups and genuins

[8:41] so we're probably going to put them in

[8:43] back but I think I need to know where

[8:44] I'm going to get dressed up into this

[8:46] house

[8:53] it's Halloween I will not be home

[8:57] really cool not a big fan yeah

[9:01] see my birthday birthdays I was for a

[9:04] couple of years when I was like a

[9:05] teenager still living at my parents

[9:07] house and I would get dressed up and sit

[9:09] outside like that was a stuff yeah yeah

[9:21] and I decorated it and I got all this

[9:24] candy but it was more like you could do

[9:25] self-serve right remember the first year

[9:27] of clothing it's like it feels like the

[9:30] first few kids actually dumped

[9:32] everything in their bags

[9:35] we didn't have that happen

[9:38] I feel like with uh

[9:42] with the camera doorbells you know it

[9:44] makes it you know easier I think for

[9:46] people to kind of peek that's on what's

[9:47] going on

[9:48] if you had a ring well bills still

[9:52] remember some days ago they had little

[9:53] treat bags remember the little paper

[9:56] ones oh my goodness even if it was just

[9:58] one piece of candy

[10:01] in a baggie last year so I'm trying to

[10:04] find the bag so we can do it instead of

[10:06] doing baggies because it would be

[10:07] prettier I remember Burger King used to

[10:10] sell the one dollar Fries coupons

[10:13] love getting those thank you so easy

[10:18] coupon go get your small fry there's

[10:21] people that actually do give up there

[10:22] you know big size candy bars but I never

[10:26] got that when I was killed there was one

[10:27] block in our house we'd go in the

[10:29] afternoon and we'll go back and change

[10:30] we'll go at night

[10:36] and come back with a full pillowcase

[10:39] my brother always had a pillowcase

[10:45] all the stores down the street from my

[10:46] house used to give out candy too so we

[10:50] used to go down there Ellen's going to

[10:53] crust from St Catherine is um

[10:57] oh like a Housing Development you know

[11:01] not necessarily seniors a lot of people

[11:07] can't think of the names

[11:10] [Music]

[11:15] I'm excited they're walking across the

[11:17] street that's great

[11:20] if you don't have school on Monday

[11:24] teachers something or other

[11:28] what are you going to be this good job

[11:31] foreign

[11:47] yes

[11:48] [Music]

[11:51] I love that me too

[11:54] I know um

[11:55] there's two Costco stuff in the office

[11:58] over there like all the time and the two

[12:01] cocker spaniels they have that are

[12:02] therapy dogs yeah

[12:04] Here Comes Anthony

[12:11] um

[12:13] [Music]

[12:15] [Laughter]

[12:45] action

[12:48] s

[13:11] we can't leave

[13:18] foreign

[13:42] [Music]

[13:44] [Laughter]

[13:45] [Music]

[13:57] oh no

[13:59] um

[14:31] sometimes

[14:48] it says

[14:56] he said it says this says

[15:07] horse

[15:12] that's what that last word means yeah

[16:04] uh

[16:20] if you're missing anything else

[16:22] well I think we're going to do this soon

[16:25] because that's for you

[16:26] yeah

[16:28] uh yeah

[16:45] there we go

[16:54] all right

[16:58] but I didn't get any water so we should

[17:00] have four yeah

[17:05] I don't have any water and neither does

[17:06] oh I've got a water I don't have trash I

[17:09] guess did we do trap no

[17:17] it should be water store everybody yeah

[17:23] beautiful

[17:35] anything is missing you got water we got

[17:37] soil we'll get a general

[17:41] breakdown he doesn't have particles

[17:47] um

[18:29] plus the capital

[18:31] yes

[18:43] everybody has all the darkness yeah

[18:47] everyone has all of that way

[18:49] foreign

[18:52] yes

[18:54] everyone has oh yeah yeah sorry yes

[19:01] all right um well everyone else over

[19:03] here to for this Finance meeting but

[19:05] just before that I just want to say a

[19:06] couple things uh I know that it was a

[19:09] long process and that we but we all work

[19:12] together and put in what we were

[19:14] interested in putting in in terms of how

[19:16] we wanted our budget to look I believe

[19:18] that all of us have the same goal of

[19:20] making sure that our residents get the

[19:23] best budget possible in terms of making

[19:25] sure we don't cut any service be it

[19:27] First Responders or Wastewater or any of

[19:29] that in addition to that we want to make

[19:31] sure that there is no undue burden on

[19:34] our on our taxpayers so um you know we

[19:37] took time to look through the budget

[19:38] we've had meetings actually with the

[19:40] mayor and I'm sure that

[19:42] um as council members we've discussed it

[19:44] I know that Mr mciveren has asked

[19:46] questions and

[19:48] um asked questions ask people to submit

[19:50] questions and they've gotten the answers

[19:51] to so all of that has been taken into

[19:53] consideration as we've done this budget

[19:57] I know there was some concerns because

[19:59] we had talked about

[20:02] um using some um of the fund balance in

[20:06] our discussions realizing that there had

[20:08] already been 10.5 million dollars almost

[20:11] about 10.483 that had been set aside

[20:14] already to

[20:16] um for lost Revenue so in when we had

[20:19] our final discussions with mayor we took

[20:22] that into consideration and rather than

[20:24] going to the fund balance we're able to

[20:26] use to put some of that in so that the

[20:29] concerns that were raised by many

[20:31] council members of uh using all of our

[20:34] performance and also not touching our

[20:37] fund balance which has been addressed

[20:39] with this uh most everything that's

[20:42] happened up to this point has been a

[20:44] proposal so I know that this um some of

[20:46] this was tried in the Press even though

[20:48] we hadn't made final decisions but we're

[20:52] here today to make those um final

[20:54] decisions hopefully we can walk out of

[20:56] this room with a past budget and

[20:59] everyone has the opportunity to say what

[21:01] it is that any concerns that they have

[21:03] but hopefully we're coming to the point

[21:05] where we can come out with a budget that

[21:08] is um fair to taxpayers making sure that

[21:12] the city does not go into debt and we're

[21:14] able to pay all of our bills and all

[21:16] council members concerns have been have

[21:20] been taken into consideration as with

[21:22] any budget it's about negotiation it's

[21:24] not about everybody walking away from

[21:26] the table with exactly what they asked

[21:28] for that's not generally how it works

[21:30] every negotiation so I believe we've

[21:33] done 12 negotiations and we have we're

[21:35] presenting some to the council tonight

[21:38] to take a look at what is being proposed

[21:41] in terms of this budget and

[21:43] um any questions concerns or

[21:46] uh that you may have can we can take it

[21:49] from there and this is the finance

[21:51] committee that we'll be um coming to uh

[21:53] before tonight so Mr motiv Aaron

[22:02] thank you getting everything one I would

[22:04] like to call the finance committee to

[22:06] order

[22:07] and before we go into the documents I

[22:10] just want to you know mention a few

[22:11] times that um

[22:17] hearing for evenings and it was in five

[22:22] actually five evening and here we are

[22:23] today if you're another session six

[22:26] session and hopefully we can discuss and

[22:28] arrive at a conclusion this evening

[22:31] um I want to thank the department head I

[22:33] want to thank

[22:34] um as a priority and his staff for

[22:37] working with us to answer all the

[22:38] questions I mean all the questions

[22:40] answered from Mr Ferrari into the

[22:42] department head and I think that was

[22:44] well done well organized and I want to

[22:47] thank um everybody who was involved in

[22:49] getting that to the council member and

[22:50] have the questions answered and we've

[22:52] been able to have a small town process

[22:55] at the conclusion of all of that

[22:58] many many proposals and I want to be

[23:02] careful not changes many proposal was

[23:03] submitted to me and I compiled that last

[23:07] Friday and I had the opportunity to

[23:09] discuss that with me McCarthy and the

[23:11] commission of Finance before we discuss

[23:14] it on the floor visual proposal that we

[23:17] went through in detail

[23:19] and we looked at it we at the end of the

[23:22] meeting Friday we I asked Mr Ferrari to

[23:25] put some numbers towards these narrative

[23:28] and to submit to us and he did that

[23:31] yesterday and we were able to look at it

[23:33] I was able to look at the number

[23:35] yesterday and today I would miss a

[23:37] Ferrari Indian party this afternoon I

[23:39] had a meeting with him with Porterfield

[23:40] and look at numbers there were some

[23:43] there was some adjustment that

[23:45] we made it because

[23:47] um 20 20 and 20 and 2021 they were

[23:51] already money set aside for um budget

[23:54] deficit to help us with the 2022 2023

[23:57] and 2024 budget and that was a total of

[24:00] 10.5 million dollars

[24:03] so by doing that and making an

[24:05] adjustment we were able to start off

[24:07] save more money that is available in

[24:10] arpa and she'll put back all the items

[24:14] that were proposed to remove from arpa

[24:17] funding to General funding that was

[24:19] restored by using money that was already

[24:21] allocated prior to several meetings ago

[24:25] when we were meeting with regards to

[24:27] allocating Harper funding so the

[24:30] proposal that was submitted was to

[24:32] remove artwork funding and to use

[24:34] General funding that was reported this

[24:36] afternoon so all the items have been

[24:38] funded

[24:40] what originally funded by arpo will

[24:42] actually be funded by Arco but is

[24:44] funding from the 2020-2021 last Revenue

[24:47] allocation which was 10.5 million

[24:50] already set aside so that will bear in

[24:54] mind with that allocation and that

[24:56] correction that was made we're now

[24:58] seeing with the document that we have in

[24:59] front of us here in our location

[25:01] and factor in the 2.4 million dollars

[25:04] and we're using this for the 2023 budget

[25:07] which is considered additional

[25:10] lost Revenue

[25:12] we're seeing a balance of alpha

[25:15] remaining from 10.1 million

[25:17] 10.1 61 million dollars so those were

[25:20] adjustments by working with the mayor

[25:22] working with Mr Ferrari and staff we

[25:24] were able to identify and make this

[25:27] adjustment as this was already in there

[25:30] so I want to Echo that out that

[25:32] our performing is restored back and the

[25:35] money is not coming out the general fund

[25:37] so whatever was

[25:40] document was submitted to us yesterday

[25:42] by Mr Ferrari it was to look at it and

[25:44] look at how

[25:53] this is good news for us

[25:58] another stuff

[26:00] um let's do a little bit sewer

[26:03] based on recommendation

[26:05] from last

[26:06] [Music]

[26:06] um

[26:09] Fridays and overwhelmed we were able to

[26:12] come to a

[26:13] bring it to the council default Council

[26:17] an adjustment to the Sewer

[26:19] and their free increase

[26:22] The Proposal was a

[26:27] proposal for sure was 25.24 cents

[26:31] based on discussion last week into this

[26:34] week and today we are bringing to the

[26:37] top full Council the proposal to

[26:39] increase that by half instead of 25 000

[26:43] 24 cents we were increased on that by

[26:45] half

[26:48] that is a proposal on the table based on

[26:51] the feedback and based on a discussion

[26:55] if we were to go into water

[27:00] same discussion here

[27:04] also to change this and bear in mind the

[27:08] proposal to changes was that majority of

[27:12] us were asking for is zero increase in

[27:15] water and so

[27:16] there was a compromise to bring to the

[27:19] whole Council

[27:20] this afternoon and the water is also

[27:22] going up by

[27:24] half so instead of 12.97 that is being

[27:28] cut by half and that's a proposal being

[27:30] fatal

[27:31] this evening

[27:42] the next document that we have here is

[27:45] um

[27:47] the console budget changes from the

[27:50] general fund

[27:51] as we discussed this last week and

[27:56] these are being present

[28:00] to the full console

[28:02] and many of these that we have here that

[28:06] was supposed to be transferred to the

[28:08] general fund are now being transferred

[28:10] to our for funding and we keep myself

[28:13] with the 10.5 million dollars that was

[28:15] already allocated

[28:16] so these items are being funded as

[28:20] this year are performing until next year

[28:22] without Crow funding and not from the

[28:24] development

[28:40] happiness

[28:50] thank you

[29:02] also if you look at the top of the page

[29:04] there is a based on the proposal the ask

[29:09] is to reduce attacks by one percent and

[29:12] that is equivalent to 316

[29:14] 290 dollars

[29:16] with a new budget of 31 million 312 710

[29:20] that's the first line on the general

[29:22] fund page

[29:24] and then the Refuge crash and collection

[29:28] we are asking that we remove completely

[29:32] and there is discussion

[29:34] um being held right now in terms of the

[29:36] mayor has a programming put in place so

[29:38] he's discussing his staff and how we can

[29:39] report in terms of handling excessive

[29:41] garbage and things like that and we hope

[29:43] that we can address that in in a couple

[29:46] weeks

[29:47] prior to the tax bill will also we can

[29:50] do an amendment with regard to how we

[29:52] move in terms of adding feeds to this so

[29:55] the reason why that is being held until

[29:57] we can get more information on that

[30:01] the coveted systems we are using

[30:04] 2.406 250 from the arpa funding to help

[30:08] with the budget this year

[30:12] and then we are using 5 million 882 282

[30:15] from the money that was set aside I just

[30:17] spoke about 10.5 million dollars

[30:21] so in overall we're using 2.4 5.8

[30:25] and then we're taking 3.7 million

[30:27] dollars from the general fund

[30:30] so these are shifts that happen um

[30:33] basic discussion today and based on some

[30:35] adjustment that Anthony had

[30:38] um

[30:39] that I've had and then the bottom here

[30:42] again is the detail of all the uh

[30:43] purpose um

[30:45] changes that um

[30:49] on the table to the floor and if we have

[30:51] discussion we can discuss we will

[30:53] discuss this the

[30:56] General fun everybody has a copy of

[30:58] general fund

[31:04] sorry Capital phone sorry

[31:07] there's one changes here

[31:10] and I think this has to do with um

[31:29] yeah the question I was asked on this

[31:31] item

[31:32] on the solar no it's the computer parts and things that I

[31:38] have from the police department 223 423

[31:41] 000 and I think

[31:42] um Mr Ferrari came back to us and told

[31:44] us to remove that item and that was the

[31:47] answer to that question instead of

[31:49] providing they were asked to remove the

[31:51] item is not needed so that's the only

[31:53] changes to the capital

[31:54] um budget all right

[31:59] other than that um we are here we're

[32:02] gonna open professionals and discussion

[32:04] on this and I think what we have here is

[32:06] a pathway to move forward this budget I

[32:10] think um some of us will bring in the

[32:12] newspaper please disregard that um

[32:16] differently because differently and into

[32:19] that and people in motion and run high

[32:21] in newspaper so I want to say we're here

[32:24] to work for the people and we're here to

[32:26] do the work and deliver the work that

[32:27] people are all the time in and I have to

[32:29] give you know the mere credit I mean

[32:31] deliver a budget we must be passionate

[32:33] about you about your budget and um if I

[32:37] were you I would say no no but the

[32:39] council has to do what they have to do

[32:41] and I think this is a recommendation on

[32:44] the table for us to go over and ask

[32:47] questions and let's move forward

[32:48] budget

[32:59] when we had our discussion this

[33:01] afternoon and that's what we're asking

[33:02] we only had our discussion this

[33:03] afternoon because we were going to make

[33:05] some calls and we did uh yeah okay

[33:13] we didn't get very glad so so I can't

[33:17] support this

[33:23] mayor is that your only concern

[33:26] yes that we're using our compliance the

[33:28] condition of our funds is you cannot use

[33:30] it to reduce taxes

[33:32] so

[33:34] yeah as I mentioned to you this money is

[33:36] not coming out tomorrow we have seed out

[33:38] in municipality in the country using uh

[33:40] money to give tax incentive back and

[33:43] this money is coming out of the general

[33:44] effect

[33:46] The Narrative is that we have to address

[33:48] that this is coming out of the general

[33:49] department 316 000.

[33:52] and that's our fault

[34:06] go ahead please so

[34:09] um I guess I'd like to know where in the

[34:11] general fund that piece is coming from

[34:13] but also

[34:15] um in terms of the body cameras the

[34:17] reduction of the 223 000 from the

[34:21] capital budget was that something that

[34:23] was

[34:24] discussed with the chief or if you

[34:27] recall it

[34:28] does a meeting with the police force of

[34:30] Mike here Steve the chief Seaver

[34:32] mentioned that stability they need the

[34:34] money because they're using the Axiom

[34:36] they said they didn't want to they

[34:38] didn't they didn't want to say no to the

[34:41] money but they didn't need it for action

[34:44] okay I didn't have a note on that yeah

[34:45] and I think that was disgusting

[34:47] yeah you did this because I have to

[34:49] mentioned that at the meeting and then

[34:50] we follow up the question was asked and

[34:52] then Mr Prairie came back and says

[34:54] remove it the question was made from my

[34:56] notes yes because I I don't have that in

[34:59] mind it doesn't know that I have any

[35:01] questions

[35:02] yes Mr Speaker did mention that

[35:09] but

[35:13] let's check because we had so many

[35:15] pieces of paper that I want to make sure

[35:26] I don't have everything down

[35:36] could we ask the chief to weigh in on

[35:38] that

[35:39] I actually I should ask you yes

[35:43] I hate to put you on the spot but

[35:47] I know that that's on eventually will

[35:50] have the new

[35:52] yeah I mean it's my understanding that

[35:55] we didn't see the additional funding for

[35:57] the axon project but we're going to stay

[36:00] inconsistent with our requests to fund

[36:03] that technology and that was a part of

[36:04] our consistent request so I have to

[36:07] check with my seat or see if yeah if he

[36:09] has to I know we had grant funding to

[36:11] cover this year coming on but I just

[36:14] hate to set his behind

[36:16] that potentially was part of his

[36:18] financial plan for paying for it yearly

[36:22] um Chief I can say they could

[36:23] specifically say well you know we'd love

[36:25] to have another we really don't need it

[36:27] right now he actually said that so

[36:29] that's on camera yeah that's what that's

[36:31] what announcement he answered the

[36:33] question and then the question was asked

[36:34] again and then the answer came from this

[36:36] before I read this um no answer but just

[36:39] to remove that items no I don't need it

[36:40] doesn't know what I have

[36:45] I mean do you need the funding

[36:50] well uh my understanding the 233 000 223

[36:55] is

[36:57] three years of the replacement of that

[37:00] equipment

[37:01] and it wasn't just body cameras it was

[37:03] computers yeah servers other things like

[37:07] that so I mean I guess

[37:09] if uh if that's what he said

[37:12] no we can correct it if you think that

[37:15] that's a mistake

[37:18] I he just didn't make me aware of that

[37:23] and well it keeps up maybe because I'm

[37:26] gonna address your proposed cut and the

[37:28] overtime line

[37:31] yeah

[37:33] um

[37:35] let's address the um 223 I mean

[37:43] so it's the capital function it's a

[37:45] capital budget and uh if they were

[37:47] miscommunication from what was presented

[37:50] to us the question was asked

[37:54] Chief you're saying that we needed over

[37:56] the next three years

[37:57] I personally don't have once you add

[37:59] that back in 2.3

[38:01] so before I open up I want to make my

[38:03] stand on that 223

[38:06] 000 in capital budget for

[38:09] a computer

[38:11] server not cameras not cameras exactly

[38:14] well well the body more cameras we're

[38:18] almost there are the capital budget and

[38:19] you had to purchase them right but now

[38:21] it's a soft it's a service okay so we we knew going into the agreement that it

[38:26] was going to be project neutral but it

[38:27] was going to be consistent with what we

[38:29] always did we're asking for an increase

[38:31] right

[38:32] go ahead please I had numbered his

[38:36] preference yeah that night and number

[38:38] one was PD slash computer and servers

[38:41] and body cameras at 223 that was his

[38:44] first preference and the funding yeah Mr

[38:48] all right

[38:49] um

[38:51] if there's a support for it we can add

[38:54] it back

[38:55] that was a misunderstanding or

[38:57] miscommunication thank you

[39:02] I'd appreciate you adding it back in

[39:05] yeah yeah so Mr Ferrari we even had that

[39:08] back sorry for that

[39:10] um in this communication so 323

[39:13] will be added back to the PD and capital

[39:16] budget and that was the only change I

[39:18] think yeah that was that was only three

[39:19] capital

[39:21] um yeah just to be clear that was made

[39:24] based on what two favorite percentage

[39:25] Yeah that would promote based on what he

[39:28] told us on the question that was asked

[39:29] and the answer that we got so

[39:33] [Music]

[39:39] foreign

[39:55] on this line was for

[39:59] 425

[40:00] 306 dollars every Tuesday of a timeline

[40:04] made out of month

[40:05] after the discussion and feedback

[40:09] they asked went down to 256 thousand one

[40:13] six one

[40:14] that is on ph one of the general

[40:17] um

[40:27] go ahead please so we're consistently

[40:30] over budget with this every year

[40:34] what makes us think cutting it

[40:36] is a good move

[40:40] the notes that I have here is because of

[40:43] what was asked of us last year to

[40:45] support police increase they start

[40:47] reading our notes at a police increase

[40:50] the Staffing and things that actually

[40:52] the chief told us that by doing that

[40:56] we're gonna eventually see savings

[40:58] coming from the reduction end of the

[41:00] time and I think some of the that was

[41:02] some of the arrays and the question the

[41:04] proposals

[41:06] then we went back from the original Last

[41:08] of 425 306 from the 2023 higher that's

[41:13] the Total Staffing was a 70 Fringe

[41:16] benefit

[41:17] but then it was reduced back after

[41:20] discussion to 256.

[41:23] and 334 right from 420 429 5.

[41:29] oh maybe it's a I was looking at it

[41:34] and now it's down to 256 161.

[41:41] sorry I'm looking in the budget

[41:43] it says

[41:45] 334 241 on that line but

[41:52] 31.

[41:54] um

[41:55] proposal sheet that was submitted Friday

[41:58] I do have that yeah that one will sell

[42:00] you

[42:01] more detail on it

[42:09] I was just looking at the original

[42:11] budget okay where are we projected the

[42:14] hit overtime this year

[42:18] roughly

[42:20] it's probably going to be close to 2

[42:21] million

[42:24] so then we're at least 200 000 below

[42:28] the proposed budget

[42:31] how will that Impact Staffing and

[42:35] dealing with issues

[42:38] may I add response time please because I

[42:41] think that that our big problem right

[42:43] now is

[42:44] hiring police officers and getting them

[42:46] fully trained to meet the doctor that's

[42:49] been reported to us for Staffing until

[42:52] that happens we have to fill the shifts

[42:54] with overtime

[42:56] we have nine officers in the police

[42:58] academy right now we have four in field

[43:00] training there's 13 right there they

[43:03] can't work all the time

[43:04] so we're just filling those spots right

[43:06] now for dealing with an increase in

[43:08] crime so making uh Staffing changes by

[43:13] bringing investigators down toward

[43:14] Patrol isn't the smartest move this like

[43:17] I set us back even farther so we will

[43:20] stay within whatever budget we're

[43:21] afforded we may have to reduce our

[43:24] staffing levels to get there and what

[43:26] that means is that we just don't hire as

[43:28] many officers to get to where we

[43:30] currently are on a daily basis

[43:32] and ultimately

[43:34] you know depending on whether we have

[43:36] major events it could impact specialized

[43:38] details as they come up but that's

[43:40] always an unknown

[43:45] so Chase just that I'm kind of a bit

[43:47] about something in terms of the higher

[43:49] income last year and into this here next

[43:52] year how is that going to roll out

[43:55] to better serve your department

[43:58] and to help with this

[44:00] deal with that

[44:01] well with me you can't seem to get ahead

[44:04] I mean we hired nine and we lost eight

[44:07] retirements

[44:08] and then we lose two of the transfers so

[44:11] we're while we have nine in the academy

[44:14] and we have four in field training right

[44:16] now we have by the end of the year we'll

[44:19] have 13 openings that we're going to

[44:21] have to fill and we're consistently

[44:24] trying to catch up in all those openings

[44:25] right now are in our Patrol Division

[44:27] which is where the Lions share of the

[44:29] overtime is being spent

[44:32] it's

[44:33] the lag that we've been in is going to

[44:35] take more than one year

[44:38] but funding is available under those

[44:40] retirement lines that can be used to

[44:42] offset

[44:44] any other costs

[44:47] sure we always take a look at our budget

[44:49] towards the end of the year to see what

[44:51] money is available if we need to come

[44:53] and ask for the value of the transfer so

[44:56] there is funding available on if your

[44:58] retirement my retirements or 10

[45:00] retirement

[45:01] I'm sure what else on it can be adjusted

[45:04] to use

[45:06] until until you get new hires

[45:10] yeah well it's just a wash yeah so

[45:15] if we're spending two million in

[45:17] overtime now

[45:19] and Regatta Walsh and we have guys that

[45:22] can't

[45:24] do over time

[45:26] then where do we expect we're gonna fill

[45:29] in the the time that's necessary unless

[45:33] we actually do cutbacks to Patrols

[45:38] thank you

[45:39] any questions asked in terms of

[45:43] hiring

[45:45] officers

[45:46] and we have continued to do that we

[45:48] continue to support this budget is

[45:49] carrying new officers into next year and

[45:52] 2022 also have officers being hired

[45:55] so it's a matter of retirement funding

[45:57] is available

[46:01] yeah but we have to address across the

[46:04] board too to address that so we don't

[46:05] want to say that the time is cut but we

[46:07] don't have any funding there is funding

[46:08] available

[46:10] that can be used

[46:14] so Chief I understand that um the new

[46:17] people can't work overtime but will them

[46:19] now be on the street because you did

[46:21] send us an email about how many people

[46:22] are going to get on the street so them

[46:24] going on the street will reduce some of

[46:26] the hours of the folks who are now

[46:28] working all the time because now we're

[46:29] putting more officers

[46:31] um in the field

[46:33] it definitely helps us having those we

[46:36] just had four come out of field training

[46:37] they help us with our midnight shift

[46:40] right now and then the other four that

[46:42] are in a field training should be off

[46:44] I want to say by mid-December so so they

[46:49] will be able to help us out also which

[46:51] means that you know the numbers that

[46:54] show up are good we don't have to have a

[46:56] higher level which is where we want to

[46:57] get to many times with crime being high

[47:00] even when we have those numbers of

[47:02] people show up have a supplemental

[47:04] Staffing on the street to do targeted

[47:06] details

[47:07] for a chronically committed with the low

[47:11] Staffing that we've had we haven't even

[47:12] had the ability to hire those officers

[47:14] even if we wanted to

[47:16] so it's a it's not even really a

[47:18] financial issue as much as it is a

[47:20] Staffing issue right now but at some

[47:22] point our staffing will get there and we

[47:25] want to reduce crime that we're going to

[47:26] want to have somebody available to do it

[47:34] so it's for me the consensus is uh if

[47:37] we're incorporating a new technology

[47:39] into the department and then if we're

[47:42] refurbishing a lot of here

[47:45] technological resources recognizing that

[47:49] those cost savings might not be

[47:50] experienced immediately

[47:52] um but again

[47:55] adding more money to the overtime budget

[47:58] or recognizing that the original

[47:59] consideration of reducing it or not

[48:02] reducing it but

[48:03] um further evaluating that four hundred

[48:05] thousand dollars might have been

[48:07] excessive

[48:08] so the new figure of 256 000 I think

[48:13] incorporates what everyone has already

[48:15] identified as you ask some technology is

[48:17] going to assist when it does that is the

[48:20] question but eventually having the

[48:21] additional officers is going to assist

[48:24] um

[48:25] I guess it's then a game of windows cost

[48:27] savings actually contribute equipment

[48:29] but a question that I had was I know

[48:31] you're making considerable efforts with

[48:33] working with the community so have you

[48:35] recognized or do you foresee any

[48:38] benefits from the relationships that

[48:40] you're establishing with local

[48:41] organizations as we start to mention

[48:42] what community policing looks like in

[48:44] Schenectady so it is entirely not what

[48:47] is the police doing to respond to crime

[48:50] or inappropriate behaviors but how can

[48:52] as a community be surround and and help

[48:55] guide that change with you as well

[48:57] stuff it's not

[48:59] I see a difference and I think my

[49:02] investigators do too where the level of

[49:04] cooperation for solving crimes is

[49:06] certainly higher

[49:08] um but it's really not something that we

[49:10] can quantify with numbers to say that

[49:11] yes we're seeing a difference but it's

[49:14] you know crimes you're being committed

[49:16] we're making those arrests is it's just

[49:19] that you know so so I think that uh we

[49:23] continuously engage with the community

[49:25] and ask them to be

[49:27] part of a solution with helping us we

[49:29] did it last night with Community

[49:30] meetings and it's very important for us

[49:33] to get the community to be a part of

[49:35] helping us keep the city safe it's just

[49:38] a matter of uh

[49:39] getting enough officers out there to

[49:41] respond to the volume of calls that are

[49:43] coming in

[49:45] right now

[49:49] go ahead so the other position that um

[49:53] is being suggested to be cut is the

[49:55] information Tech specialist that is 65

[49:59] 000 that I think was a new

[50:01] um position I think and I think that

[50:04] um you were stating that position would allow a police

[50:08] officer that would be a civilian and so

[50:10] therefore a police officer would be

[50:13] um wouldn't have to do that any longer

[50:15] and you could use that police officer to

[50:17] actually be

[50:19] police officer a police officer doing

[50:21] police work I was going to say

[50:23] um so can you speak a little bit to that

[50:24] as well because that's also being

[50:26] proposed as being cut

[50:28] yeah I mean this is a position that I

[50:32] have a lieutenant that I've asked that

[50:34] actually help us make advances in these

[50:37] technology and what I found is that a

[50:40] large amount of his time is being spent

[50:42] doing things out of somebody can do uh

[50:45] issuing equipment taking equipment and

[50:47] sending it out for repair this morning I

[50:50] pulled in he's helping uh he's one of

[50:53] our guys from the Communication Center

[50:56] installed Raiders and cars so these are

[50:59] the things that could be done by a

[51:01] civilian don't necessarily have to be

[51:03] done by a lieutenant

[51:04] so that's why we asked him the position

[51:06] so that that Lieutenant can actually do

[51:10] the work necessary to get that

[51:12] technology to help reduce crime to help officers get the information that

[51:18] they need to reduce crime to reduce the

[51:20] need for police officers we've we've

[51:23] built the foundation of Technology at

[51:24] this point we just haven't started

[51:25] framing the house yet with it and that's

[51:28] the that's where the next step is that I

[51:30] want to go with it

[51:31] um so if that position isn't funded

[51:33] we'll have to figure out a way to do it

[51:35] in-house and my only other option is to

[51:38] use police officers

[51:42] sorry and I just want to ask

[51:45] um again to Mr Williams I think we did

[51:48] all identify that it obviously will take

[51:50] some time for the new technology to be

[51:53] to arrive to be put into a place to be

[51:58] you know for training and and those

[52:00] kinds of things do you have any sense of

[52:02] what that timeline might be at this

[52:05] point for axon

[52:08] well I think there's other Technologies

[52:11] we should have axon

[52:13] deployed by the first of the year okay

[52:16] we'll be issuing it I would say a month

[52:19] or two to actually have fully up and

[52:21] running okay and that's across the board

[52:23] from Cars camera body camera systems

[52:27] interview

[52:28] and then even the virtual reality

[52:30] training of many of these other

[52:32] Technologies I'm always optimistic when

[52:34] I can say next year's the year we're

[52:36] going to do it but I truly believe that

[52:39] next year we will be making a big jump

[52:42] if not by then this year but a big jump

[52:43] and doing some of these things well it's emerging technology so there's no

[52:49] blueprint in place for us to say yes

[52:51] we'll have this by this time it's a work

[52:53] of progress we're we're actually doing

[52:55] things that we'll be speaking about at

[52:57] national conferences right at some point

[52:59] so it's it's it's really cool

[53:01] interesting thing but it takes people

[53:03] that don't

[53:05] but Chief um currently you're utilizing

[53:09] the central I.T department for any it

[53:12] related work that is needed we are yes

[53:16] and just to reference that

[53:18] um

[53:19] we're actually in this 2023 budget there

[53:22] is an additional staff for the central

[53:24] I.T Department

[53:27] so they are actually beating up with

[53:29] additional Staffing here

[53:32] so so actually can you continue to use

[53:34] this office and they're getting

[53:36] additional staff at this point in time

[53:38] I think the need is there then

[53:40] we can revisit it

[53:44] I certainly can

[53:46] I'm going to say this in the best way it

[53:48] makes it helps them they're very

[53:51] overwhelmed

[53:52] um one of the reasons I've asked for

[53:55] this is that there's a lag between

[53:56] passage or something and actually

[53:58] getting it done

[53:59] through Central I.T and this is not a

[54:02] knock on a lawn or John or anybody that

[54:05] works there it's just they have a lot

[54:06] going on not just the police department

[54:08] but every other department that's using

[54:10] technology So the plan was never to

[54:13] replace them but to supplement them with

[54:15] the with an embedded uh civilian that

[54:18] can actually manage the technology

[54:21] that's in the police department that's

[54:23] really overwhelming at this point

[54:30] so um to that comment of where that

[54:33] position and that assistance will lie

[54:35] and just responding to miss Patrick's of

[54:37] like a cut I think it's important that

[54:39] we recognize that words matter and I

[54:40] think that was a the theme that was

[54:42] recognized from the recent article in

[54:44] today's paper I think we're just trying

[54:46] to identify whether the comparative

[54:49] advantage of having this resource in

[54:52] your current department where you do the

[54:54] work you understand the system outweighs

[54:57] the potential absolute advantage that it

[55:00] would make sense having this in an I.T

[55:01] Department I absolutely yield the fact

[55:04] that they maybe or probably are

[55:06] overtasking overburdened but I I

[55:09] wholeheartedly think that supporting the

[55:10] department who can meet the needs for

[55:12] the entire city I think is a better

[55:14] position to take that way that we have a

[55:18] unified front of understanding what the

[55:20] needs are across the board and if it's

[55:22] as simple as well what needs and

[55:23] resources that they need I think it's

[55:25] easier to best bolster them than having

[55:29] satellites and I think that I'm open to

[55:31] any comment from afford

[55:35] I suggested that that was the

[55:38] theory of the council is approaching is

[55:41] to move that line item out of

[55:44] the police department budget put it in

[55:46] I.T so we'd be able to hire the person

[55:48] and then give me the ability to assign

[55:50] them an appropriate manner wherever

[55:52] they're needed

[55:54] but then based on discussion on there is

[55:56] also a new hire I.T higher on the

[55:58] Channel online team Department I could

[56:01] hire four people we have six to four and

[56:04] we can't seems like I didn't want to

[56:07] cook so please go ahead please

[56:11] for what it's worth

[56:15] I can't remember how many years ago

[56:17] maybe eight years ago when we merged our

[56:20] communication center with the unified

[56:21] Communications with the county

[56:23] while we had it in-house we had a

[56:25] communications director who served the

[56:27] role similar to what I'm trying to bring

[56:29] back here that managed our technology

[56:32] but when we merged with the county

[56:33] that's one of the jobs that left the

[56:35] police department and we served to miss

[56:37] him

[56:38] now even more because we have more

[56:40] technology like body cameras and car

[56:42] videos this will be before all of that

[56:44] so that's kind of where we we've kind of

[56:48] fit we've plugged that Gap by using

[56:51] Personnel within the police department

[56:52] but now we need cops

[56:56] go ahead what I was going to say is that

[56:59] I think we're putting um additional work

[57:01] into the I.T Department besides this

[57:05] um when we think about some of the

[57:06] things that we are hoping to accom I

[57:08] think that Mr colluccio when he

[57:10] presented to us was talking about some

[57:13] of the um needs that even from his area

[57:16] to that area

[57:17] um might be increasing so

[57:20] it seems like we've made a commitment

[57:22] and a substantial commitment to the new

[57:24] technology that the police department

[57:26] will be

[57:28] um having and putting into place over

[57:29] the next several years and

[57:32] um

[57:33] I feel that that really

[57:37] weighs even harder that we probably

[57:39] should use the um Information Technology

[57:42] Specialists within the police department

[57:45] um as opposed to being in I.T I think

[57:48] also and the mayor spoke about this when

[57:50] he presented the budget originally which

[57:52] is that the need for cyber security

[57:55] um and the kinds of things that we're

[57:57] all facing on but you know that the city

[58:00] has been facing an increased level also

[58:03] puts additional burden on to the team

[58:06] down in RIT department so

[58:08] um I hear what you're saying I I I

[58:11] in terms of siloing and and that type of

[58:14] thing but even when I think about the

[58:16] kinds of things that I'm hoping at least

[58:18] that we will be able to accomplish soon

[58:20] sooner rather than later around traffic

[58:22] issues or you know those kinds of things

[58:25] I mean there's going to be additional

[58:26] burden

[58:27] um on our Police Department as well as

[58:29] on you know some of the other technology

[58:32] that the city is currently employing so

[58:35] I would still advocate for that position

[58:40] [Music]

[58:40] um

[58:41] and I think there's other places where

[58:43] we could trim from the these suggestions

[58:46] on this on this page that we that we

[58:48] have in front of us this evening

[58:50] just uh basically no say to address

[58:53] um

[58:54] give commentary guys so miss the

[58:55] collusion yes he has a building uh

[58:58] principal building on it I mean people

[58:59] are who is actually functioning as an

[59:01] I.T person

[59:09] [Music]

[59:12] so he has the support here

[59:16] in his own Department

[59:19] the job description here is inaccurate

[59:22] so that's what I am here so that's what

[59:25] I'd say so yes he is having a backfield

[59:27] here and that person's assistant and

[59:29] also doing additional work to my point

[59:31] of he's in other words he's not meeting

[59:33] the I.T result

[59:34] [Music]

[59:39] rather than having multiple hires so I

[59:42] think that's where the note I have from

[59:44] based on feedback

[59:47] yes so with Exxon coming on board how is

[59:51] that you know they you said they were

[59:54] going to be doing a lot of the they'll

[59:55] get the data and they'll be doing a lot

[59:56] of the information you know they'll be

[59:58] doing a lot with the data so can you

[59:59] talk a little bit more about that

[1:00:00] because you know that's what the IT

[1:00:02] people do so how is Aston supplementing

[1:00:06] that since we're going into a contract

[1:00:07] with that

[1:00:09] well

[1:00:11] one of the reasons why

[1:00:13] uh this person is important for us is

[1:00:16] the fact that is a technology

[1:00:18] quartermaster for us and and Mr Williams

[1:00:21] uh

[1:00:22] point I just want to make clear that it

[1:00:25] was never intended to take an I.T person

[1:00:27] having work for me it was always going

[1:00:29] to work for John's hierarchy with under

[1:00:32] bowand they would just be embedded at

[1:00:34] the police department kept holding on to

[1:00:37] all that Hardware that we need and then

[1:00:40] be there to work on the software as

[1:00:41] needed the axon technology once

[1:00:45] implemented will certainly be less labor

[1:00:48] intensive for doing so many things like

[1:00:49] production transcription and even

[1:00:53] finding and retrieving videos for our

[1:00:56] district attorney's office for Discovery

[1:00:58] all that stuff is going to really

[1:00:59] streamline all that there will be a need

[1:01:02] for somebody to be a liaison to the

[1:01:04] district attorney's office it just won't

[1:01:06] be there as much so

[1:01:09] axon is actually going to make the job

[1:01:11] easier but we will have

[1:01:14] what which we currently do have the

[1:01:16] hardware maintenance piece of it we

[1:01:19] currently have that with Panasonic we

[1:01:21] will have that with axon if a camera

[1:01:23] breaks it has to be taken and sent out

[1:01:25] for repair a spare taken out of storage

[1:01:28] and issued out and of course the logging

[1:01:31] and tracking with all that stuff

[1:01:37] thank you

[1:01:43] any other questions for the chief

[1:01:46] thank you thank you

[1:01:49] the other one I just want to um on page

[1:01:53] one all the way to the bottom

[1:01:55] fleet manager this was a recommendation

[1:01:58] from the mayor and Commissioner of

[1:02:00] Finance so make this adjustment on this

[1:02:04] sheet

[1:02:05] some of the place manager and assign the

[1:02:08] funding onto the assistant fleet manager

[1:02:17] 32.

[1:02:20] [Music]

[1:02:33] that's what this is

[1:02:38] um

[1:02:41] so I think when we heard about that

[1:02:44] position from I guess it looks like it

[1:02:47] must have been

[1:02:48] Mr Food Show maybe Mr Lavon was it Mr

[1:02:53] um he mentioned that the fleet manager

[1:02:55] position was a contractual position so

[1:02:57] it's okay to eliminate a contractual

[1:02:58] this is way a city

[1:03:02] this is a

[1:03:05] once uh in the csca bargain

[1:03:09] so we'd be eliminating a position from

[1:03:11] the cscaa

[1:03:14] Civil Service issue

[1:03:26] so

[1:03:27] what was the final step on this the

[1:03:30] assistant

[1:03:35] right there

[1:03:38] are you talking about

[1:03:41] step five that's probably fair I'm sorry

[1:03:44] step six step six

[1:04:01] music here that we talk about this

[1:04:04] last week and I think I made some more

[1:04:08] but I want to clarify it so I am almost

[1:04:10] Patrick you were asking for this to be

[1:04:13] coming from the general fund instead of

[1:04:17] um

[1:04:20] I did make notes but I wasn't getting

[1:04:23] along with it so I'm not sure if you

[1:04:25] want to talk about it I think you talk

[1:04:26] about it but if you don't mind I did

[1:04:28] speak about it um the reason that I

[1:04:30] would prefer seeing you come from the

[1:04:31] general fund

[1:04:33] um I think that what I said at the last

[1:04:36] meeting was that music Haven is a

[1:04:38] tremendous resource in terms of the

[1:04:40] diversity of the audiences that come the

[1:04:43] thousands of people that come throughout

[1:04:45] the summer to not only the concert

[1:04:47] series but also the support that paid

[1:04:51] music Haven staff at that point

[1:04:53] um also give to some of our special

[1:04:55] events that take place at music Haven

[1:04:58] um so

[1:05:00] basically the twenty thousand dollars

[1:05:03] um would help support probably the music

[1:05:06] um aspect of Music Haven

[1:05:09] um music Haven itself raises

[1:05:12] um sometimes more than 150 000 in

[1:05:15] private funding every summer to do what

[1:05:17] they need to do

[1:05:19] um to present this concert series

[1:05:21] um and supplement the other activities

[1:05:23] such as Caribbean day or Juneteenth

[1:05:27] um that happen in Central Park so

[1:05:30] um that was what I was advocating for

[1:05:32] and I was hoping that it would go into

[1:05:34] the general operating budget and thus be

[1:05:38] something that we would discuss again in

[1:05:40] 2024's general operating budget

[1:05:44] so that's why I had suggested that

[1:05:46] instead of Harper thank you for doing

[1:05:48] that because I made some knowledge that

[1:05:50] I wasn't sure if it's horrible or a

[1:05:52] general form I did say yes

[1:05:57] any question on this on being funded

[1:06:00] from the channels one

[1:06:02] I don't have an issue with having this

[1:06:04] uh permanent budget and we need to

[1:06:06] support music with it I mean we were all

[1:06:09] um and received an email they left their

[1:06:11] policies upward of 150 000.

[1:06:14] and twenty thousand dollars to support

[1:06:16] that

[1:06:18] it's not a bad thing to start with

[1:06:27] [Music]

[1:06:34] the other stuff here I wanna I would

[1:06:36] like to talk about the youth employment

[1:06:38] um that the money was originally

[1:06:40] allocated forty three thousand dollars

[1:06:42] to the USB Road and we're actually

[1:06:45] making a recommendation to keep this

[1:06:47] money in-house at 107 000 to bring that

[1:06:51] up to 150 000 and it's huge employment

[1:06:54] to the city is connected these lives

[1:06:56] Schenectady school district near McCarty

[1:06:58] I'm a school district this year had a

[1:07:01] program that was running it was very

[1:07:03] successful a forest program I think we

[1:07:05] need to build on it and allocating 150

[1:07:08] 000 will give them a flexibility to work

[1:07:10] for the school district and to work with

[1:07:13] these students so to get them reply out

[1:07:16] of you know so here are additional

[1:07:19] funding and more more students towards

[1:07:22] this program

[1:07:26] I definitely support that

[1:07:29] we discussed this by last Friday but I

[1:07:31] just want to Echo it's worth

[1:07:36] and we got an opportunity to um to

[1:07:38] listen to that photo

[1:07:42] yeah and on the success of the program

[1:07:45] and things like that so you know we were

[1:07:47] briefed on the many things that happened

[1:07:49] here

[1:07:51] foreign

[1:08:08] office and we see that there's

[1:08:12] added changes here so any discussion on

[1:08:17] um

[1:08:18] the affirmative action

[1:08:19] um

[1:08:20] officer and they added staff and the

[1:08:24] expense

[1:08:28] at 1430 100.

[1:08:35] I can say I do support that we heard

[1:08:37] from Mr Mr Gardner in regarding what

[1:08:40] they're doing what also what they're

[1:08:41] trying to do in addition the mayor has

[1:08:43] consistently said that he wants to do a

[1:08:45] program that would use

[1:08:47] folks from that um from from what Mr

[1:08:49] Gardner was doing and the program that

[1:08:51] he's running he has been

[1:08:54] kind of doing what he's doing with

[1:08:56] assistance from other staff but not a dedicate not dedicated staff to do

[1:09:01] what he's doing and I believe he's I

[1:09:03] he's shown results he's shown that you

[1:09:06] know he's getting getting some getting

[1:09:08] the work done that he's intended to do

[1:09:09] however I'm sure that uh he could use

[1:09:12] some relief I know he spends a lot of

[1:09:14] hours here uh at City Hall

[1:09:17] and so I think we should just go we

[1:09:19] should do this to increase the work

[1:09:21] that's being done and to support the

[1:09:22] other programs that are being suggested

[1:09:24] and to also make sure that as we have

[1:09:27] different projects that are here in the

[1:09:29] city that we have folks who are coming

[1:09:31] through this program we're able to be

[1:09:33] able to work on those projects in the

[1:09:35] city and therefore increase the people

[1:09:38] who live here because that's one of the

[1:09:40] things he's focused on to make sure that

[1:09:42] they are be able to gain an income buy a

[1:09:45] home themselves and do all that so I

[1:09:47] know this program is doing well and part

[1:09:49] of what we always talk about when we

[1:09:50] talk about budgeting things is that the

[1:09:53] program has to produce or or show some results and his program has

[1:09:58] definitely shown results so I would I

[1:10:00] would support that

[1:10:03] and the other comments in this

[1:10:08] the other one I would like to also touch

[1:10:10] base on is a deputy registered and this

[1:10:12] might come on let's put Tennis Club do

[1:10:13] you want to talk about this position on

[1:10:16] the important and why you need about it

[1:10:18] sorry I missed you last Friday so we'll

[1:10:21] talk about it and I have a military that

[1:10:23] says I should ask you to kind of give us

[1:10:26] a brief a brief summary

[1:10:29] on what's happening there

[1:10:35] so the deputy registrar position

[1:10:38] is needed for many of much of the vital

[1:10:41] records that we're doing right now the

[1:10:44] state has

[1:10:48] changed many of their processes within

[1:10:52] the past year

[1:10:53] where they've increased it and shifted

[1:10:54] the burden onto the municipality rather

[1:10:57] than onto the safe employee more of the

[1:11:00] filing and even printing of documents

[1:11:03] where they're not providing us all of

[1:11:05] that anymore

[1:11:07] so it's needed that where we have these

[1:11:11] staff Staffing

[1:11:14] support all of that

[1:11:21] and I just almost pulled them back and

[1:11:22] we did talk about the principal building

[1:11:24] audience on AP clerk who is actually

[1:11:25] functioning as an iot person 1620-100

[1:11:29] but straightforward to the page that

[1:11:32] person is actually getting adjustment

[1:11:34] and functioning design people

[1:11:57] thank you

[1:12:08] go ahead sorry I I think that um this is

[1:12:11] sort of a general statement across the

[1:12:13] uh Staffing lines and I want to start

[1:12:15] out by saying I have the utmost respect

[1:12:18] um for the work that our city staff does

[1:12:20] but there's also

[1:12:23] for me

[1:12:25] and I guess I want to hear a little bit

[1:12:26] more from the mirror but

[1:12:28] I feel that over the course of the time

[1:12:31] before the budget was presented to us in

[1:12:34] its original form obviously the mayor is

[1:12:37] the CEO of our city met with all the

[1:12:40] cotton heads met with you know our

[1:12:42] Commissioner of finance and and

[1:12:44] um

[1:12:45] I'm

[1:12:47] a little uncomfortable with making

[1:12:50] decisions that are not the decisions

[1:12:53] that our CEO has spent time on

[1:12:57] deliberating And discussing I feel that

[1:13:00] it is our responsibility because the

[1:13:02] budget is our responsibility I

[1:13:04] understand that completely but I also

[1:13:06] feel that the day-to-day sort of

[1:13:08] operational

[1:13:11] piece of what happens here

[1:13:13] um is just not uh you know I think we're

[1:13:16] here a lot all of us are here a lot

[1:13:18] meeting with folks and and seeing what

[1:13:20] happens but we don't have that same

[1:13:21] level of day-to-day operational

[1:13:24] expertise

[1:13:25] um so

[1:13:27] I don't know if you want to comment but

[1:13:29] we're making you know this would make

[1:13:31] Staffing changes

[1:13:33] um

[1:13:35] uh again I've made my recommendations

[1:13:38] for Council

[1:13:40] to democracy some people have the

[1:13:42] opportunity to do an end run may present

[1:13:47] the council with more of a limited

[1:13:49] perspective

[1:13:51] and but that becomes your final decision

[1:13:53] my recommendation for the original

[1:13:55] budget

[1:14:04] so go ahead so I understand what you're

[1:14:08] saying Miss Patrick however you know it

[1:14:10] is the council the council to to

[1:14:13] um to pass the budget to make sure that

[1:14:17] you try to make sure that all

[1:14:19] departments are

[1:14:21] able to function to vestibility we have

[1:14:24] continually talked about the openings

[1:14:25] that we have that's just been a

[1:14:26] conversation for quite some time and I

[1:14:29] respect that uh you know deferring to

[1:14:31] the mayor however it is a system of

[1:14:33] checks and balances and so part of our

[1:14:37] responsibility is to you know to pass

[1:14:39] the budget and to and

[1:14:41] I know that the mayor going into this as

[1:14:44] any of C CFO or CEO would is knowing

[1:14:47] that what they present won't doesn't

[1:14:49] necessarily mean that's what's going to

[1:14:50] walk out the door so I believe that the

[1:14:52] mayor as has approached this as a

[1:14:54] negotiation process as he does all

[1:14:56] negotiations and that things will change

[1:14:58] so I I don't think that's lost on any of

[1:15:00] us so

[1:15:01] um I'm not sure if there's a particular

[1:15:05] Department that you're thinking that we

[1:15:08] you know we've made too many changes or

[1:15:09] we shouldn't make any changes but

[1:15:13] um it's you know it's something that we

[1:15:15] have to really consider in terms of

[1:15:17] Staffing we can talk about it all the

[1:15:18] time how there's limited Staffing houses

[1:15:20] where the city is understaffed we've

[1:15:23] heard it from the department heads not

[1:15:24] only just during budget season I mean on

[1:15:26] a continual basis we've had Cohen

[1:15:29] Sportsman who is doing better now when

[1:15:30] there was a discussion and said how many

[1:15:32] people are missing and he told us how

[1:15:34] many people are missing his department

[1:15:35] so you know we want to be able to

[1:15:37] provide the best Services possible to

[1:15:40] our our employees

[1:15:42] um are excuse me our residents and part

[1:15:44] of that is making sure we're standing at

[1:15:46] the level that we can do that

[1:15:50] I'm just to answer that I mean almost

[1:15:53] every budget as long as I've been in the

[1:15:54] council we have made changes we have

[1:15:58] made changes and be able to make a

[1:15:59] recommendation to us we need changes we

[1:16:02] discuss it we focus on it and it's

[1:16:04] adopted uh and then we have documents

[1:16:07] Financial Services

[1:16:12] we have to look at the minute also look

[1:16:15] at the uh

[1:16:17] the numbers in the budget and also take

[1:16:20] more time to look at we can't pass on

[1:16:22] importance of attack speed

[1:16:24] every time we have to you know

[1:16:26] increments in this budget we're looking

[1:16:29] at passing on some fees increased

[1:16:32] to the taxpayer water and soil

[1:16:35] some of us mentioned last week that they

[1:16:37] were

[1:16:38] followed no increase I myself made a

[1:16:43] followed no increase after talking to

[1:16:46] the mayor I am comfortable to for a

[1:16:48] small increase and yes I am open to next

[1:16:52] year to look at another increase because

[1:16:55] we have Debt Pay 2020 believe 2023 into

[1:17:00] 2024 and a couple changing the position

[1:17:03] after listening to the media this

[1:17:04] afternoon and Mr Ferrari on how we move

[1:17:07] forward in one episode

[1:17:12] about half of that and next year I'm

[1:17:17] committed to to look at that and to

[1:17:19] support

[1:17:20] our living flower

[1:17:22] so just on that note

[1:17:25] um in terms of the tax cut

[1:17:29] um and certainly I understand I mean I'm

[1:17:31] a resident here as well obviously uh you

[1:17:34] know we know what our tax situation is

[1:17:36] but my My worry is that if we do make a

[1:17:40] tax cut of even the one percent

[1:17:43] um what happens next year I mean are we

[1:17:45] going to end up having to increase taxes

[1:17:47] by two percent

[1:17:50] um you know or in other words is there

[1:17:53] an incremental change even there that on

[1:17:56] like the changes that are being

[1:17:59] presented tonight in those other two

[1:18:01] funds

[1:18:03] um I just want to get a thought on what

[1:18:05] does the future hold

[1:18:07] um if we if we if I can address that

[1:18:11] basic conversation that I have the

[1:18:13] commission on finance

[1:18:14] we have money set aside from our money

[1:18:17] set aside for 25 October 2023 2024 so

[1:18:21] how can any deficit that's what we took

[1:18:23] some money today to help in this 2013

[1:18:26] budget they are additional funding

[1:18:28] available there

[1:18:30] in the millions of dollars to help push

[1:18:32] it that's what you're talking about

[1:18:33] there so if there's any shortfall

[1:18:36] the budget is there except we can't use

[1:18:39] it for the tax cut

[1:18:41] um so we have to really look at you know

[1:18:43] this other 300 last week we have a

[1:18:45] Special Olympics a priority and he

[1:18:46] mentioned to us that the revenue of

[1:18:48] looking at increasing revenue and

[1:18:50] revenue sustainable

[1:18:52] over the years so that we can sustain

[1:18:54] after Harper is over and done

[1:18:57] we have Revenue coming in to keep these

[1:18:59] jobs in the surface flooring so that was

[1:19:01] Mr Ferrari's comment last week to us how

[1:19:04] do we sustain these

[1:19:07] circus and uh after the monitor

[1:19:11] and I have one more thing I do want to

[1:19:14] end with all due respect

[1:19:16] um in terms of adding the legal services

[1:19:19] um to city council and I guess the

[1:19:21] civilian police review board

[1:19:23] I really feel hearing from you and the

[1:19:27] mayor last week about the fact that and

[1:19:29] I've talked to some folks since then the

[1:19:31] fact that there used to be an attorney

[1:19:32] from our Corporation Council who uh his

[1:19:37] office

[1:19:38] um who would attend every civilian

[1:19:40] police review board

[1:19:42] um I would love to see that reinstated

[1:19:44] rather than spending more money on an

[1:19:46] additional attorney and with that in

[1:19:50] terms of you know discussion and

[1:19:51] compromise Etc I really don't think that

[1:19:54] we need to add an attorney

[1:19:58] um for city council I just

[1:20:00] um you know as I said last week

[1:20:04] um I think that

[1:20:06] in terms of the support that we get from

[1:20:10] our Corporation Council when any of us

[1:20:13] have an issue or a question or something

[1:20:16] that you know we need legal a legal

[1:20:18] opinion I guess I would say

[1:20:21] um I have been completely satisfied

[1:20:25] um and I don't think it's been too much

[1:20:26] of an additional burden I think probably

[1:20:28] in the three years that I've that I've

[1:20:30] been on Console I've probably you know

[1:20:33] could count on my on one hand maybe

[1:20:36] um and you know Mr Golden has always

[1:20:39] either met with me or certainly You Know

[1:20:43] spoken with me about my concerns so

[1:20:46] I don't know I don't want to put you on

[1:20:48] the spot but I just don't see the need

[1:20:50] at least for

[1:20:51] um an additional hire

[1:20:54] um to work with city council I just

[1:20:56] think that's

[1:20:57] spending money that we don't we don't

[1:20:59] need because we have you know the

[1:21:02] expertise here and the corporation

[1:21:03] council's office

[1:21:05] just to clarify we're not we would we

[1:21:07] put it we wouldn't have hired someone

[1:21:08] here that's what we're talking about fees for services so

[1:21:11] if all right but okay I just mean it's

[1:21:14] fifty thousand dollars that I don't

[1:21:17] really really think that we need to

[1:21:18] spend additionally if we're looking for

[1:21:20] ways to you know make up for example the

[1:21:23] [Music]

[1:21:23] um

[1:21:24] you know the 316 000 or any of these

[1:21:27] other changes that would be a place that

[1:21:29] I think that we could eliminate some

[1:21:32] money from from this proposal

[1:21:34] my question is you so you're saying that

[1:21:38] um due to your your experience of you

[1:21:41] know speaking from your experience that

[1:21:43] um

[1:21:44] that we have I know you have more than

[1:21:47] adequate legal support for City Council

[1:21:49] election position right

[1:21:52] for the police Community review board

[1:21:55] um you don't think that uh they need any

[1:22:01] outside counsel that they would need I'd

[1:22:03] like to see us return to the model that

[1:22:05] existed when Mr motivator for example

[1:22:08] was on the civilian police review board

[1:22:11] um where someone from our Corporation

[1:22:13] council's office and I understand that

[1:22:15] this would you know add to uh once a

[1:22:18] month the work of your office but

[1:22:20] apparently

[1:22:22] um there was someone from that office

[1:22:23] that would would attend every civilian

[1:22:26] produced review board meeting and I

[1:22:28] think also the fact is that we have the

[1:22:29] commissioner of Public Safety as well

[1:22:32] um you know we'll also can lend

[1:22:35] um Council to the civilian police report

[1:22:39] as well so I just throw that out there

[1:22:43] and open the circus session and

[1:22:44] compromise yeah so I guess my question

[1:22:47] is so

[1:22:49] have you spoken to anyone from the

[1:22:51] police review board about this issue

[1:22:53] since last time we met I did yeah okay

[1:22:55] and they gave they told you that they

[1:22:57] didn't think that they needed the person

[1:22:58] that I spoke to had formally actually

[1:23:00] also been on the civilian police review

[1:23:02] board and also expressed some problems

[1:23:05] um that someone from the corporation

[1:23:07] council's office no longer met with the

[1:23:09] civilian police review board on a

[1:23:11] regular basis and so in other words I

[1:23:14] thought that that would be fun okay so

[1:23:16] they so they were saying that this used

[1:23:18] to happen this practice is no longer

[1:23:20] happening so they're saying it returned

[1:23:21] to that progress okay so what I would

[1:23:23] say too is that you know the

[1:23:24] conversations that I had with people

[1:23:27] um I think that this board is is very

[1:23:30] unique to the other boards they serve a

[1:23:32] very unique uh a need and

[1:23:35] the idea that you know we are limiting

[1:23:39] which

[1:23:40] I see and they the person I spoke to

[1:23:43] agreed that we would be kind of limiting

[1:23:46] their resources to do this already very

[1:23:49] important uh job

[1:23:52] so I I don't see why why we wanted to do

[1:23:54] that and we can't again to me in my

[1:23:57] opinion we can't kind of and I'm not

[1:23:59] saying you're doing this I'm saying you

[1:24:00] know this is what I don't want to do I

[1:24:02] don't want to pay lip service to say how

[1:24:05] important this is and then the people

[1:24:07] who are in the position to do the job

[1:24:09] that we're recommending and asking them

[1:24:12] to do if they're asking um and saying

[1:24:14] that there's a need for that and we have

[1:24:15] the means to meet that need then we need

[1:24:17] to do that because it's not I feel like

[1:24:19] we're not we're just kind of

[1:24:21] checking that box effect it's important

[1:24:23] but

[1:24:25] you know you can get your needs met this

[1:24:28] way when they have a very specific uh

[1:24:31] kind of uh very unique role in that

[1:24:35] board and there's a lot of other uh

[1:24:37] variables but a lot of tensions that

[1:24:39] they have to balance to certain that

[1:24:40] capacity so I just don't see how he

[1:24:43] would

[1:24:45] understand the complexity and the

[1:24:47] gravity of what they do without

[1:24:49] resourcing them adequately

[1:24:52] I think that's the manor and the chief I

[1:24:55] think you meet regularly with the

[1:24:58] leadership

[1:25:00] has the leadership ever asked for this

[1:25:04] or said that none of their needs are

[1:25:07] being met

[1:25:09] like just back up I think they said

[1:25:12] there was always a Corporation Council

[1:25:14] to me I'm not sure that was 100 true but

[1:25:16] like 90 some percent of the time they

[1:25:18] would have somebody there and what seems

[1:25:22] to have collapse somehow was the request

[1:25:24] getting to the corporation council's

[1:25:26] office that there was going to be a

[1:25:28] meeting

[1:25:28] so that where we haven't been Staffing

[1:25:31] it the request hasn't been put in

[1:25:34] or something to be there it's like oh

[1:25:36] I'm not blaming yeah

[1:25:37] please go ahead um we've actually spoke

[1:25:40] to Scott Barbara Rich over at the police

[1:25:42] department recently who um

[1:25:47] Daryl Mallard

[1:25:49] um in the past so prior to maybe

[1:25:52] becoming a Corporation Council back in

[1:25:53] uh Mr Valentino in this Corporation

[1:25:56] Council

[1:25:58] we attended I attended

[1:26:01] um

[1:26:02] a smattering of cprb meetings

[1:26:07] I can think on one occasion a question

[1:26:10] came up for me during those meetings

[1:26:13] because generally what had happened was

[1:26:15] I think at the time dick shave was still

[1:26:18] the chairperson who had been chair for

[1:26:21] quite a while obviously and I know you

[1:26:23] know council president Williams

[1:26:25] eventually joined uh

[1:26:28] the questions were more geared toward

[1:26:31] and from when I was there

[1:26:35] questions about materials

[1:26:38] not so much legal questions of any sort

[1:26:41] and obviously I'm you know available if

[1:26:44] a question ever came up and sticking to

[1:26:48] um

[1:26:49] officer bobrowman she indicated that you

[1:26:51] know there haven't been

[1:26:53] a whole lot of cprb meetings at times

[1:26:57] because of Quorum issues I think there

[1:27:01] may have you know I know this is this is

[1:27:03] a quorum issue that actually went back

[1:27:05] quite a ways right but I think there may

[1:27:08] have been at least I think I don't know

[1:27:10] maybe four or five meetings that didn't

[1:27:11] happen because they couldn't get a form

[1:27:13] that being said you know I'm available

[1:27:17] you know certainly you know if there are

[1:27:19] questions that you know that are arising

[1:27:22] during those meetings or questions

[1:27:23] related to process or processes in

[1:27:27] person you know obviously I have you

[1:27:29] know the utmost faith and and the police

[1:27:31] officers who sat the meeting to make

[1:27:33] sure that materials are there and you

[1:27:35] know the

[1:27:38] um the folks who are on the cprb you

[1:27:40] know know that what's in Chapter 93 I'm

[1:27:44] planning to attend the next meeting I've

[1:27:46] already prepared a PowerPoint to kind of

[1:27:48] go over what's in Chapter 93 go over the

[1:27:51] you know the responsibilities and you

[1:27:54] know the rules and the obligations and

[1:27:56] the bylaws Etc so that you know

[1:27:58] everybody's really starting on playing

[1:28:00] field

[1:28:01] you know if you want my two Sunset

[1:28:05] outside counsel I'm happy to provide

[1:28:07] that

[1:28:08] um

[1:28:09] I think you know

[1:28:12] my office has been short staffed

[1:28:14] Networks

[1:28:16] I don't say with bone thin but it's just

[1:28:19] for as it is right now it's just me and

[1:28:21] one other person that's full-time

[1:28:22] determines

[1:28:24] we have a part-time attorney

[1:28:26] as well

[1:28:28] you know we do our best to staff you

[1:28:31] know those meetings were legal questions

[1:28:32] tend to come up and we've said if for

[1:28:36] some reason we can't stop a particular

[1:28:37] meeting if there's an issue that comes

[1:28:39] up that could not be addressed at that

[1:28:42] point in time to you know if they can

[1:28:44] table the issue their cable the matter

[1:28:47] and you know bring it to us but or if

[1:28:49] they know anticipate that there's going

[1:28:52] to be a legal question let us know in

[1:28:54] advance so we can be there now if you

[1:28:57] know this is the first time that I've

[1:28:59] seen on paper this you know allocation

[1:29:01] for outside Council to the police review

[1:29:04] board but apparently there's apparently

[1:29:06] there's been some issue that hasn't been

[1:29:08] brought my attention about the use of

[1:29:11] you know about legal questions coming up

[1:29:13] during the cprb meetings I'm happy to

[1:29:15] you know make sure that either I attend

[1:29:18] the meeting or my assistant Corporation

[1:29:20] Council attends the meeting to address

[1:29:22] those issues and it's obviously like any other time if there's a legal

[1:29:27] question that we can address we don't

[1:29:29] know everything we can't know everything

[1:29:31] about the law but I'm happy to you know

[1:29:34] don't reach out to outside counsel

[1:29:35] obtain outside counsel because one thing

[1:29:37] I don't want to do is obviously provide

[1:29:40] bad legal advice right take early

[1:29:42] because I I you know I believe in cprb I

[1:29:45] know the sensitive issues that they deal

[1:29:46] with and because of that it's it's

[1:29:49] important right that if we're going to

[1:29:51] provide a little advice that you know we

[1:29:53] get it right and if we don't know the

[1:29:54] answer we don't make up an answer we

[1:29:57] refer it out to outside counsel so

[1:30:01] my my take on it is you know I have my

[1:30:04] own outside counsel like you know that's

[1:30:06] in part of my budget I'd rather try to

[1:30:08] address this in-house because I think

[1:30:09] it's a better use of dollars and cents

[1:30:11] and see if we can address the issue and

[1:30:13] you know we'll commit to going to the

[1:30:15] cprb meetings on a regular occasion

[1:30:18] um and if we can't answer those legal

[1:30:20] questions we'll refer to outside counsel

[1:30:22] we'll seek outside council's advice to

[1:30:25] address those concerns

[1:30:27] so my question is so if we budget for

[1:30:29] this

[1:30:30] and because again I think that what

[1:30:32] we're we don't want to pin to good

[1:30:35] practices against each other and that's

[1:30:37] what I don't want to see us do so I

[1:30:39] think that I appreciate

[1:30:40] um you know kind of your office

[1:30:42] recommitting to attending these meetings

[1:30:44] I think that that is really a beneficial

[1:30:45] thing and into the capacity that you

[1:30:48] could do so I'm sure that they would

[1:30:49] appreciate it as well

[1:30:51] um

[1:30:52] so I think that that's a yes and then

[1:30:54] the and would be

[1:30:55] um you know because what happens if we

[1:30:58] budget for this money and then your

[1:31:01] office is able to

[1:31:03] handle all the issues in-house and we

[1:31:05] don't end up spending that money that

[1:31:06] money then we'll return to the general

[1:31:09] fund is that fun okay so so therefore

[1:31:11] it's if we need if they need the money

[1:31:15] for outside counsel and decide that they

[1:31:18] want to use the money they can but

[1:31:20] however if your offices has the capacity

[1:31:23] to cover it then they won't then they

[1:31:24] won't use it so what so what I would

[1:31:27] suggest is that we do both we make sure

[1:31:30] that we give them a fund a funding line

[1:31:33] and allocate funds of that because we

[1:31:34] say that this is important to us we say

[1:31:36] that that this is this we understand the

[1:31:38] complexity of what they're asked to do

[1:31:40] and all the tensions that they have to

[1:31:42] balance right and if

[1:31:45] they're requesting that but they are we

[1:31:48] give it to them and then we give them

[1:31:50] the support through Corporation Council

[1:31:52] as much as we possibly can and then if

[1:31:54] that

[1:31:55] meets the need then why would they need

[1:31:57] to spend the money and then we would be

[1:31:58] we would lose nothing for it

[1:32:02] so I never got my question answered

[1:32:05] about have you met regularly when the

[1:32:09] cprb leadership have they requested

[1:32:11] anything and has it ever been denied and

[1:32:14] I've never actually seen a request for

[1:32:16] this the individuals I've spoken to have

[1:32:20] indicated have not indicated that they

[1:32:23] they've never asked her so I'll just put

[1:32:26] it that way

[1:32:27] I do meet them regularly I don't take

[1:32:30] monthly meetings I I send my Office

[1:32:34] Professional Standards there

[1:32:36] um if I do meet you there regularly I

[1:32:38] would say it's it's twice a year and um

[1:32:43] they've never brought anything to my

[1:32:45] attention asked me for legal advice more

[1:32:47] broadly concerns that's my role is to

[1:32:50] continuously ask them if they need

[1:32:52] anything more from me is the process

[1:32:54] working for you

[1:32:55] and then I leave it at that I try to

[1:32:57] stay separated

[1:33:04] and again I would I would say you know

[1:33:06] in in the just in the spirit of having

[1:33:08] true and honest um dialogue and role

[1:33:10] clarification and I think that

[1:33:12] um someone who is tasked with

[1:33:15] um a pretty delicate uh you know job of

[1:33:19] kind of oversight and inquiry

[1:33:22] um

[1:33:23] I didn't expect them to go to the chief

[1:33:26] to say that they are are in to fulfill

[1:33:29] that need I think that there's a certain

[1:33:31] uh

[1:33:34] there's some requests that are coming

[1:33:36] within their purview and I hadn't you

[1:33:38] know the person that I had spoke to or

[1:33:40] two people the person I spoke to you

[1:33:42] know definitely um hadn't said that they

[1:33:44] had made such a request for you or any

[1:33:46] requests from you that hadn't hasn't

[1:33:48] been fulfilled so let's go to to be on

[1:33:50] the record with that thus far however I

[1:33:53] think that we have to acknowledge

[1:33:55] that there is the position positionality

[1:33:58] and this really matters so if we again

[1:34:02] if they don't if we dedicate the line

[1:34:05] and they don't you use it we don't lose

[1:34:08] it so why wouldn't we dedicate the one

[1:34:13] the reason we're going to dedicate to

[1:34:15] mine is because we're talking about

[1:34:16] fifty thousand dollars which could be

[1:34:18] used in other areas I'm not saying cprb

[1:34:22] is not important but we have the ability

[1:34:24] through the Corporation Council to

[1:34:26] address their needs as well as their

[1:34:29] external needs should they need those so

[1:34:31] we're talking about 50 Grand when we're

[1:34:34] throwing around some other stuff and

[1:34:37] that's why we're questioning it it's not

[1:34:39] that we don't think cprb is important or

[1:34:43] that they don't play a key role but when

[1:34:46] we have scarce resources which we do

[1:34:49] it's important to try not to overlap in

[1:34:53] our resources well and I can appreciate

[1:34:56] that both that in this context is not

[1:34:57] overlapping whatsoever what we're doing

[1:34:59] is we're dedicating the line and we're

[1:35:01] actually demonstrating the values that

[1:35:04] we portray and we talk and pay lip

[1:35:06] service to all the time we're

[1:35:07] demonstrating that by making an

[1:35:09] investment but the Safeguard to your

[1:35:10] point so we don't

[1:35:12] overlap the resources is that

[1:35:14] re-engaging the Corporation Council and

[1:35:16] having them attend so if they're able to

[1:35:18] meet the needs of the board then they'll

[1:35:21] meet the needs of the board and the

[1:35:22] board won't have to use that money but

[1:35:24] for us to say that we're not going to

[1:35:25] give them an option to me is very

[1:35:27] limiting and it's micromanaging and it's

[1:35:30] not

[1:35:31] being fully

[1:35:34] genuine in recognizing the multiple

[1:35:38] dynamics that they have to navigate to

[1:35:41] do the very

[1:35:42] important specific job that we ask them

[1:35:44] to do

[1:35:51] so Chapter 93 outlines two Financial

[1:35:54] considerations that need to be made on

[1:35:56] behalf of the civilian police review

[1:35:57] board one is maintaining an annual

[1:35:59] membership to Nicole which is a civilian

[1:36:02] oversight uh entity in the United States

[1:36:05] and the second is having a variation of

[1:36:08] some funding to assist with uh

[1:36:11] performing reviews or investigations to

[1:36:14] some degree or

[1:36:16] being a member of the review board

[1:36:18] they're definitely uh normalcies that

[1:36:21] you take on from meeting to meetings so

[1:36:23] absolute yields the fact that this

[1:36:24] hasn't been something that has been

[1:36:26] implemented routinely however if we look

[1:36:28] at the simple fact of what does the city

[1:36:30] code outline us to do I think it is our

[1:36:33] requirement to fund them based on what

[1:36:35] is outlined and I think putting forth

[1:36:37] monies for them to be able to utilize

[1:36:40] legal services to be able to have access

[1:36:43] to the Law Department to include the

[1:36:47] routine attendance from the police

[1:36:48] commissioner that is simply us hedging

[1:36:50] our bets and to miss Patrick's Point

[1:36:53] that is what budgeting is it is how you

[1:36:55] best position an entity to succeed so I

[1:36:59] look at all of those different variables

[1:37:01] that essentially we're trying to

[1:37:04] um

[1:37:04] bolstered the success of this

[1:37:06] organization or of this board so in

[1:37:09] reviewing everything that's put before

[1:37:11] us it is not fifty thousand dollars it's

[1:37:13] twenty five thousand dollars

[1:37:15] but I think again words matter it's

[1:37:18] twenty five thousand dollars that we're

[1:37:20] looking at

[1:37:21] um allotting to the outside Legal

[1:37:23] Services the civilian police reborn in

[1:37:26] that sense I think looking at everything

[1:37:28] that was previously discussed if we use

[1:37:31] this or not having it specifically

[1:37:34] put underneath their budget line allow

[1:37:36] us to do one of two things that was

[1:37:38] outlined by the Deputy Commissioner it

[1:37:40] will allow us to track whether it is

[1:37:42] something that is actually beneficial to

[1:37:44] this board or not and if it's not I'm in

[1:37:47] total support of removing it all

[1:37:48] together however we need to be

[1:37:49] consistent with our practices and remove

[1:37:51] it from the city code

[1:38:03] consideration that

[1:38:05] he's now full fully sad

[1:38:08] so how are we going to take away the

[1:38:10] resource from this golden office to help

[1:38:12] others so I'm just going out and

[1:38:15] go ahead please thank you I'm obviously

[1:38:19] you know

[1:38:20] I've been looking at Chapter 93 and I've

[1:38:23] been preparing you know this PowerPoint

[1:38:25] a bit so I want to be and I agree with

[1:38:27] Mr Williams that you know the language

[1:38:29] of the code matters considerably when

[1:38:31] looking at all this this language in the

[1:38:34] code related to the cprb hiring an

[1:38:37] independent investigator to assist them

[1:38:39] in reviewing things and also you know

[1:38:43] I think having a dedicated staff person

[1:38:46] in the past

[1:38:50] the only place I think

[1:38:52] Council was under the law departments

[1:38:56] in the blood Department's budget line

[1:38:58] and there's language in the law that

[1:39:02] says that the Corporation Council hires

[1:39:06] outside Council for the city when

[1:39:08] necessary so I know you know who's been

[1:39:11] an indication about you know the cprb

[1:39:13] itself pertaining outside Council

[1:39:17] um you know obviously I wouldn't make

[1:39:19] that referral

[1:39:21] um if necessary because I said I have

[1:39:23] that in my budget line and that's

[1:39:24] something I would obviously do

[1:39:26] um like I would do with any other

[1:39:28] department we've done that um at times

[1:39:31] if necessary we can't handle something

[1:39:33] in-house we've had no problem referring

[1:39:36] it to outside Council we do that with a

[1:39:39] lot of employee matters

[1:39:41] um you know things like that go to perm

[1:39:43] and you know workers comp and you know a

[1:39:45] lot of things

[1:39:47] um I'm hoping my Staffing level goes up

[1:39:49] so I'll become a little bit easier and

[1:39:51] we're not stressed so thin sometimes but

[1:39:54] obviously you know

[1:39:55] cprb is important when any commission is

[1:39:57] important to bza like all of our you

[1:40:00] know all of those you know commissions

[1:40:03] and boards are very important and you

[1:40:05] know we try to do our best to staff when

[1:40:07] we see it being necessary and

[1:40:10] um obviously this is coming to my

[1:40:11] attention now because again I hadn't

[1:40:13] heard anything from anyone you know the

[1:40:16] chairperson since Rivera I have not

[1:40:18] heard from her about this I haven't

[1:40:19] heard from the officers who stopped the

[1:40:23] meeting there was legal questions that

[1:40:25] were coming up obviously I would be

[1:40:27] there for is this a Corporation Council

[1:40:29] Chris Lonnie would be there

[1:40:31] that doesn't fall in deaf ears you know

[1:40:34] we want to be responsive to the needs of

[1:40:36] those boards and those committees and

[1:40:39] still we do that

[1:40:41] um

[1:40:42] yeah so in the you know I'm not going to

[1:40:45] tell obviously with the council what to

[1:40:47] do or not do that's not my position

[1:40:50] um you know if the situation arises

[1:40:52] though where you know they have a legal

[1:40:54] question the cprb we're going to try to

[1:40:58] do it in-house obviously and if we can't

[1:41:01] do it in-house then we're going to make

[1:41:02] the referral to an outside you know Law

[1:41:05] Firm to handle it so it wouldn't be the

[1:41:08] cprb you know obtaining Council it would

[1:41:11] be me a painting Council on behalf of

[1:41:13] really the cprb

[1:41:21] McCarthy did mention that we should

[1:41:24] encourage the police uh review board to

[1:41:26] reach out to a public safety

[1:41:27] commissioner and to hear these concerns

[1:41:29] so I will encourage everyone including

[1:41:32] myself to reach out to the police report

[1:41:34] to reach out to the public safety

[1:41:36] commissioner and to help Channel this uh

[1:41:39] concerns and to the law department and

[1:41:41] see what help can be provided to this

[1:41:44] board and this board need help

[1:41:47] right I don't want to go back in time

[1:41:49] when I was there but yeah they need help

[1:41:50] they need to function properly and I

[1:41:52] think we need to assist them right again

[1:41:55] I think Rockford's

[1:41:57] you know nothing that I really

[1:42:00] disagree with I don't I don't think that

[1:42:02] we're not aligned on well at least and

[1:42:04] what we're saying as far as valuing what

[1:42:06] they do and understanding the importance

[1:42:08] of the of the of them resisting and then

[1:42:12] I

[1:42:14] saying that he has money in his budget

[1:42:17] line in order to do that if that's

[1:42:19] something that they need so my question

[1:42:21] then becomes or then we're not really

[1:42:24] necessarily just talking about money

[1:42:25] we're talking about power we're talking

[1:42:28] about their ability to access the

[1:42:30] resources that they need to do to do

[1:42:32] what they need to do and if all things

[1:42:35] you know organic we're saying that we

[1:42:38] understand the complexity of what

[1:42:40] they're doing if they're reaching out to

[1:42:41] council members saying hey this would be

[1:42:43] something that would be beneficial for

[1:42:45] us as a board then I think that we

[1:42:46] should support them by doing that

[1:42:49] um and then I think the the safety net

[1:42:51] there

[1:42:52] um to access those funds or to use of

[1:42:55] those funds is Corporation counselors

[1:42:56] needing us to recommit to engaging this

[1:42:59] them as a board and if that happens

[1:43:01] in a in a satisfactory way for them then

[1:43:06] it's a new point so let's let's let's

[1:43:08] allocate the money to them let's

[1:43:10] demonstrate let's actually do what we

[1:43:13] say be who we say we are resource it not

[1:43:15] just live service and then hopefully uh

[1:43:19] they'll be able all their needs will be

[1:43:21] met by Corporation Council and the

[1:43:23] safety percent if that's the case then

[1:43:24] we're in a great place and if it's not

[1:43:26] then they have

[1:43:27] um another uh resource available for

[1:43:29] them to do their report book

[1:43:31] I just want to remind everyone that when

[1:43:33] we had talked about this before we had

[1:43:35] talked about to the point of increasing

[1:43:37] the fees for service in the law

[1:43:39] department so it's not like we didn't

[1:43:41] talk about making sure the money in the

[1:43:42] budget but however it was uh it was I'm

[1:43:45] going to say by the finance department

[1:43:47] saying that it's easier to track if it

[1:43:50] was separate so let's keep in mind that

[1:43:52] we had talked

[1:43:54] yes not you but

[1:43:56] that that the Deputy Commissioner said

[1:43:59] it would be easier to track over

[1:44:00] separate so we talked about adding money

[1:44:03] to the Law Department fees for services

[1:44:05] for out fees outside Council we talked

[1:44:08] about that so it's not like we didn't

[1:44:09] talk about putting it in there it just

[1:44:10] became a matter of where we put it

[1:44:13] I I think we didn't come to a decision

[1:44:15] on it though I know that we talked about

[1:44:17] that but I was looking forward to this

[1:44:19] meeting this evening

[1:44:21] um to really Hammer up these decisions

[1:44:23] and see what kinds of compromises and

[1:44:25] you know I think we were waiting no we

[1:44:27] did we did we did came from

[1:44:30] um 25

[1:44:33] 000 each and it goes to the city council

[1:44:36] 25

[1:44:37] 000 on the 10 10 440 on the city council

[1:44:41] on 10 attempt 440 on the police review

[1:44:44] board no I know that that is my note

[1:44:46] that what we end up discussion and

[1:44:49] that's what we were to ask the finance

[1:44:51] department no I know that we put that

[1:44:53] down it was 25 and 25. I definitely know

[1:44:56] we did that I guess I thought that we

[1:44:58] were then tonight going because we we

[1:45:01] went down the whole list whether it was

[1:45:03] um the addition of a staff in city clerk

[1:45:06] or the creation of a new department for

[1:45:08] affirmative action

[1:45:10] um some of these things I think that we

[1:45:13] did go down that whole list with the

[1:45:16] idea that tonight we were going to be

[1:45:18] you know kind of discussing those things

[1:45:20] and deciding whether we in other words

[1:45:23] we did definitely fill in those lines

[1:45:25] and I guess I have to say if again I'll

[1:45:28] put out there that if we were going to

[1:45:30] compromise I absolutely don't think we

[1:45:32] need the extra I mean I don't know

[1:45:33] nobody else is dropping in here but that

[1:45:35] we don't need the money for the city

[1:45:37] council park right yeah this is

[1:45:44] an hour and a half hours on this item

[1:45:47] under the end that's what we have

[1:45:49] decided that the pathway forward so it

[1:45:53] was 82 then this Ferrari suggests why

[1:45:56] now 50 25 25 we all seems to

[1:46:00] another head and she told him yeah

[1:46:08] it was to be talked about yeah

[1:46:18] so can we go around as it is with um

[1:46:22] well uh 25

[1:46:26] um in the city council line 25 in the

[1:46:29] review board line as it is can we go

[1:46:31] around and get kind of games on the

[1:46:34] council members and how do you feel

[1:46:35] about that

[1:46:36] could we do that just just me I finish

[1:46:38] up sure Mr Poland I mean um 25 000 for

[1:46:43] City Council Members us looking to

[1:46:45] discuss something and we need legal

[1:46:48] advice I mean

[1:46:51] have you ever I mean you've always been

[1:46:53] there for each and every one of us when

[1:46:55] we've called and without

[1:47:00] bias

[1:47:01] on something we might need it's legal

[1:47:03] law

[1:47:05] I have nothing ever been brought to my

[1:47:07] attention where

[1:47:08] nobody's excuse me of being bias

[1:47:11] um you know if I thought that there was

[1:47:14] some compliment you know between my

[1:47:17] duties and representing the city you

[1:47:19] know as the city council or between city

[1:47:21] council people or between the city

[1:47:23] council and the mayor's office the city

[1:47:25] council and the department

[1:47:27] if I sought the conflict in that it or a conflict in my ability to perform

[1:47:32] because the city council is making some

[1:47:34] type of decision it was looking for

[1:47:36] legal advice that impacts limit me or my

[1:47:38] office

[1:47:39] that would be referred out you know good

[1:47:42] outside Council the situation hasn't

[1:47:46] Arisen where I've seen a conflict and or

[1:47:49] that anybody has raised to me that

[1:47:52] there's a conflict in my ability to act

[1:47:56] in an unbiased manner you know and may

[1:47:59] make decisions that you know you don't

[1:48:01] agree with that certainly happens and I

[1:48:04] know the mayor you know has made

[1:48:07] decisions that the mayor doesn't

[1:48:08] necessarily agree with that's just part

[1:48:11] of you know the process you know not

[1:48:14] always going to be you know not always

[1:48:16] going to be just you know a pushover or

[1:48:19] rollover in terms of my legal opinion

[1:48:21] because I have to look at the law the

[1:48:23] way it's written right at the end of the

[1:48:24] day my job's back to city

[1:48:27] um you know from liability so

[1:48:32] you know I don't know what question

[1:48:35] there is exactly about you know

[1:48:38] you putting it you know the city council

[1:48:41] agreeing to put 25 000 in the line

[1:48:44] um obviously as I said if there's a

[1:48:45] conflict

[1:48:46] um you know inherent or perceived

[1:48:51] um then I would refer to that

[1:48:53] hasn't happened and nobody has as far as

[1:48:57] I know at least you know anything to me

[1:49:00] directly to me indicating a conflict in

[1:49:03] my ability to act

[1:49:05] um you know objectively I think

[1:49:11] foreign

[1:49:14] just to the other point I mean even if I

[1:49:18] look at what's on this piece of paper

[1:49:20] that we've been given tonight

[1:49:22] um under line 16 2100 when we met the

[1:49:25] other night we did not discuss

[1:49:30] um it looks like it looks like on this

[1:49:33] sheet it says increase this position by

[1:49:35] 5642.

[1:49:38] but then I think on the sheet we came

[1:49:40] we're given tonight it looks like we did

[1:49:43] not

[1:49:44] um increase the position by 5 642 we're

[1:49:47] deep yes I'm sorry are you talking about

[1:49:50] the principal billing audit and AP clerk

[1:49:54] okay you moved on to something well no

[1:49:55] I'm just saying just in terms of

[1:49:57] comparison in terms of my understanding

[1:49:59] from the other night was just that we

[1:50:01] were going to make some decisions

[1:50:02] tonight and so I think that I think I

[1:50:05] mean baby I'm reading it wrong but I

[1:50:07] think that's is not what we talk is not

[1:50:11] what we wrote yeah the other day the

[1:50:14] other night they were the increase was

[1:50:16] like 11 something 11 000 something and

[1:50:19] so in our discussion it was to reduce

[1:50:21] that 11 000 by 5 000 that's what you're

[1:50:24] seeing here yeah so the increase was not

[1:50:26] eleven thousand but five thousand that's

[1:50:27] what that's what the decrease is now the

[1:50:29] decrease of the original salary but a

[1:50:30] decrease of the post increase

[1:50:33] but the so the mayor requested 77 771

[1:50:37] right which is an increase salary 72

[1:50:42] 000 129. so that is an increase of five

[1:50:44] thousand six hundred

[1:50:46] budget

[1:50:56] of course

[1:50:59] the point being we were going to just

[1:51:02] discuss everything tonight

[1:51:06] yeah no that's fine yes are we just you

[1:51:10] know compared to them most of the stuff

[1:51:13] done on the

[1:51:14] proposal if you did touch with them it

[1:51:16] might be a few that we can custom look

[1:51:18] was the article moving the fund from the

[1:51:21] airport to general fund and he has

[1:51:24] to look at the numbers but then things

[1:51:25] change today

[1:51:26] so they are taking away funding for the

[1:51:28] article it's a general fund that was a

[1:51:30] very far so

[1:51:32] the help of that

[1:51:38] thank you

[1:51:39] go ahead please just saying that to Mr

[1:51:41] Williams point if we run an entity to

[1:51:44] succeed give them the

[1:51:46] what they need and just to get rid of

[1:51:49] the information tax specialist when the

[1:51:52] Department's asking for that you know we

[1:51:55] have to be first of all

[1:51:59] foreign

[1:52:06] taking your position

[1:52:09] on this issue and right now

[1:52:12] can we go around and get the usernames

[1:52:15] so we can at least as far as the

[1:52:18] um you're asking about outside Legal

[1:52:22] Services yeah between the police Rescue board and

[1:52:38] you just go forward

[1:52:43] because that's go ahead because we're

[1:52:45] having a discussion we're having a

[1:52:47] discussion I want to understand that but

[1:52:49] if then you do that for every single yes

[1:52:52] that's right I'm not entertained to do

[1:52:55] that for every single piece so we we

[1:52:57] want to we want to stay here all night

[1:52:58] tonight

[1:53:02] to miss Patrick's Point there's been you

[1:53:05] know her and I've been pretty vocal

[1:53:08] um and then changing of our ideas around

[1:53:10] this so I you know just kind of want to

[1:53:12] get a position from where people are at

[1:53:14] but

[1:53:15] you know

[1:53:18] so but I'm completely fine with not

[1:53:20] without doing that I mean I made my

[1:53:22] position pretty clear you know

[1:53:26] I am what I say that is what it is

[1:53:28] always so that doesn't change for me

[1:53:30] you can move on to the next thing

[1:53:44] we need to touch on

[1:53:49] well I think we have to unless somebody

[1:53:52] else says something I think we have to

[1:53:53] go back to the um

[1:53:55] tax

[1:53:57] you said we're requesting that was the

[1:53:59] first thing that the mayor said about so

[1:54:00] I mean

[1:54:02] I think we need to discuss that

[1:54:13] excuse me sorry

[1:54:16] and they're taking a break

[1:54:36] do you want to wait on this bathroom hey

[1:54:39] Miss Porterfield yeah why don't we take

[1:54:42] uh

[1:54:55] thank you

[1:55:00] [Music]

[1:55:22] foreign

[1:55:40] [Music]

[1:55:54] yes

[1:55:57] [Music]

[1:56:26] I think there's going to be a butter

[1:56:27] shortage

[1:56:30] yeah Atlanta Lakes my sister just texted

[1:56:33] me

[1:56:47] um

[1:56:58] you're sorry

[1:57:04] foreign

[1:57:33] [Music]

[1:57:42] so let's see

[1:57:44] this chance

[1:58:13] foreign

[1:58:51] all right so let's continue the

[1:58:55] discussion on this Quarterfield just um

[1:58:57] it was before we went into a break what

[1:59:00] about the

[1:59:01] property tax

[1:59:03] tolls property tax production

[1:59:06] one percent equivalent 316

[1:59:09] 290 dollars

[1:59:12] open for discussion on this

[1:59:22] so I guess I'm a little confused with

[1:59:26] regards to

[1:59:29] how the art for money is being used for

[1:59:31] the losses

[1:59:33] when we have 5.3 million in unfilled

[1:59:37] positions

[1:59:39] yet we're looking at

[1:59:41] according to Mr Ferrari roughly two

[1:59:43] million losses here now I understand the

[1:59:46] 2 million is going to come out of this

[1:59:48] article stuff or largely from that you

[1:59:51] know but we still aren't accounting 35.3

[1:59:54] million

[1:59:57] going forward so how are we going to do

[2:00:00] that

[2:00:03] of

[2:00:09] um

[2:00:09] [Music]

[2:00:11] 10.3

[2:00:16] yes 10.3 uh and that's that's we're

[2:00:20] going to use the 2 million this year

[2:00:22] that's what we're estimating that loses

[2:00:24] 8.3 and then with the five point eight

[2:00:27] penalt planet and the 2023 budget and

[2:00:30] that leaves us uh with uh about four

[2:00:33] million left

[2:00:34] all right for a lost revenues for 2024.

[2:00:39] but going forward we're not accounting

[2:00:41] for that at all right

[2:00:44] so well

[2:00:46] go forward and have it if you don't use

[2:00:49] that account don't not if you don't if

[2:00:52] we don't uh use it all you know

[2:00:55] where we can still push it forward and

[2:00:58] but Mr we just mentioned nearly also on

[2:01:01] this document here is 10.1 million

[2:01:03] dollars that is available but if there's

[2:01:05] additional losses yes if that can be

[2:01:07] taken out from this 10 point almost 10.2

[2:01:10] million dollars so that means we're not

[2:01:12] going to spend anything else for

[2:01:15] powerful money

[2:01:16] going forward no we took out I took out

[2:01:19] that money now it was always what I'm

[2:01:22] saying is you're putting it aside we're

[2:01:24] putting inside we're not spending the 10

[2:01:26] points yes

[2:01:31] the 20 23 Revenue loss or lost Revenue

[2:01:36] 3.4 million dollars

[2:01:41] I understand that but we have 5.3 we're

[2:01:45] not accounting for

[2:01:47] because we didn't fill the positions and

[2:01:50] we keep talking about 63 unfilled

[2:01:52] positions which is 5.3 million going

[2:01:56] forward not just today

[2:01:59] one two three years out

[2:02:03] we don't have an account for that money

[2:02:06] this is priority can you address that I

[2:02:08] understand what you're saying and uh

[2:02:12] that's one of the reasons why we should

[2:02:13] not uh decrease taxes

[2:02:24] of cost risings this is not the type of

[2:02:29] thought I wasn't

[2:02:36] as we're going through here we're hoping

[2:02:39] like you said to stabilize our revenues

[2:02:41] to come through here to pay for that uh

[2:02:44] I understand yeah we have those jobs

[2:02:46] openings but as you as you've seen you

[2:02:48] know we're not filming about those jobs

[2:02:50] either I understand that but if we could

[2:02:51] increase revenues by 5 million we'd

[2:02:54] already done it

[2:02:55] yeah okay what was referral you want to

[2:02:58] address this also is uh 4.6 but yeah you

[2:03:02] know in our 2022 budget we had a

[2:03:04] formulated uh we had a budget of 4.6

[2:03:07] we're estimating only using half that

[2:03:10] so that's for the other two point I

[2:03:13] understand but going forward is what I'm

[2:03:16] talking we're talking strictly today

[2:03:17] we're not looking forward

[2:03:20] correct and that's going to impact us in

[2:03:23] one two three years or more correct

[2:03:26] we're looking at 2023

[2:03:28] this is that we're looking at snapshot

[2:03:30] in Time versus a dynamic that's why I

[2:03:33] that's why you know with the various

[2:03:34] budget we're looking to raise uh the

[2:03:36] artist fees to keep the tax lined up

[2:03:39] keep the taxes at a stable level and you

[2:03:43] know raise up and you know we talk about

[2:03:46] erasing other fees as we go along for

[2:03:47] years too because as like any other

[2:03:50] business you have to raise your prices

[2:03:52] has a cost goes up because of the cost

[2:03:54] of employment cost of insurance costs of

[2:03:56] all those benefits

[2:04:14] [Music]

[2:04:27] you're cutting uh taxes you're cutting

[2:04:30] uh uh the fees for services or you know

[2:04:32] with the uh water not water source but

[2:04:36] even with uh the trash and stuff like

[2:04:39] that you know when you start cutting uh

[2:04:41] you know it's going to come back you're

[2:04:43] going to have to raise it eventually

[2:04:44] you're gonna have to raise it I mean a

[2:04:46] huge amount right so it just multiplied

[2:04:49] so it actually goes on yeah so I think

[2:04:52] 23 24 you're gonna be okay 20 25 you

[2:04:54] might be doing a six percent tax

[2:04:56] increase you know that's what I was

[2:04:58] trying to get at earlier

[2:05:09] I mean the minimum that's what I asked

[2:05:11] for you know I know uh uh you're you're

[2:05:13] taking a 1.1 million already for the

[2:05:15] trash I know that's something you're

[2:05:17] gonna have to address into your comments

[2:05:20] into the year 2023 but at least the Hope

[2:05:22] line on on the uh the tax uh tax

[2:05:26] payments you can hold the line at 316

[2:05:29] pounds I mean it doesn't sound like a

[2:05:31] lot but it really that's a beginning

[2:05:34] it's a beginning because I'm telling you don't want to two years from now

[2:05:37] when you guys are trying to be real life

[2:05:39] and you have to raise taxes for four

[2:05:40] percent

[2:05:43] it's not going to be a pretty butcher

[2:05:44] what you want to do you want to rise you

[2:05:45] want to do it things have a small level

[2:05:48] small bits are going all the way up yeah

[2:05:50] that's why we posted about a dollar a

[2:05:52] week of a dollar a week for the garbage

[2:05:55] I mean you know that's that's that was

[2:05:57] our thought of trying to do things

[2:05:58] slowly you know not that I was smiling

[2:06:01] because um last week last week Friday

[2:06:03] you told us that if you proceeded is

[2:06:04] from bankruptcy yeah yesterday and today

[2:06:08] we found the 10.5 million dollars

[2:06:15] we don't want to scare people out there

[2:06:17] you know all these things and then um

[2:06:20] well running set aside 12 seconds but if

[2:06:23] you were looking at what you're doing uh

[2:06:24] last week before we found it I want to

[2:06:27] thank John for helping us do that uh

[2:06:30] because

[2:06:44] uh Derek was was still in the room

[2:06:49] you're not supposed to use

[2:06:53] your taxes and we're using quite a bit

[2:06:56] of our money through

[2:06:57] foreign

[2:07:06] thank you

[2:07:09] discussion on this the sport Affairs

[2:07:11] oh I'm just listening to what Mr

[2:07:14] Ferrari's saying and you know and and I

[2:07:17] keep hearing it over and over again

[2:07:18] because let me just be 100 transparent I

[2:07:20] was in favor of

[2:07:22] um

[2:07:23] reducing the tax burden on our

[2:07:26] um our residents but I don't I want us

[2:07:29] to be caught in the quandary that we

[2:07:32] spent money in a way that was

[2:07:33] inappropriate and they come back and say

[2:07:35] Hey you shouldn't have done that and

[2:07:37] here are the reasons why

[2:07:39] so two Mr Ferrari's point you know I

[2:07:43] know you might have said that half a

[2:07:46] joke but I also believe that a lot of

[2:07:47] Truth is said in jokes and um I think

[2:07:49] that you know we have to

[2:07:52] talk to the people that live in the

[2:07:54] cities connected to like adults and and

[2:07:56] let them understand that you know as

[2:08:00] much as we beloved uh you know

[2:08:03] if we're not in a fiscal position to do

[2:08:06] that then we can't do that until you're

[2:08:09] pointing around you know when you when

[2:08:11] you're running again to uh you're not

[2:08:13] going to get reelected if you have to

[2:08:14] raise taxes so many points I mean that's

[2:08:17] a calculation that really shouldn't be a

[2:08:19] part of how we make our decisions here

[2:08:21] so right I mean and I know that

[2:08:23] you know everyone might not share that

[2:08:26] at least in action more so in ideology

[2:08:28] but yeah if we're not in a fiscal

[2:08:30] position to cut taxes then we

[2:08:34] shouldn't do that

[2:08:36] right

[2:08:37] I mean yeah

[2:08:44] one of the one of the suggestions I

[2:08:47] submitted um last week including myself

[2:08:51] the hearing and discussing and

[2:08:53] compromise and working yesterday today

[2:08:56] the day before was a Ferrari I've taken

[2:08:58] a full-time job in his office

[2:09:01] another discussion with the mayor I can you know push back a little on

[2:09:07] this and not um

[2:09:10] we can rule out and increase I mean not

[2:09:13] sorry we don't mind Lucas

[2:09:17] I don't want to increase um

[2:09:20] I'm gonna hold on but I just wanted to

[2:09:22] clear it and I know the way I mention it

[2:09:24] already and we've been back and forth

[2:09:26] since Friday

[2:09:27] well we get we can use money to provide

[2:09:31] a tax break this is not our we have

[2:09:34] money in the general fund we have money

[2:09:37] now

[2:09:38] if we were to proceed and if I were to

[2:09:40] Stadium if we had a majority here and

[2:09:42] you say that we were going to get the

[2:09:43] tax Breakers

[2:09:44] but I am okay took all off

[2:09:48] and to listen to my good friend zone

[2:09:51] and we can hold out from this

[2:09:54] even even after your family with 10

[2:09:56] million dollars yeah wow there we go

[2:10:01] well I appreciate it I appreciate you

[2:10:03] yeah the work that we all have at this

[2:10:05] table we all hear these people to

[2:10:07] discuss to work with the Department to

[2:10:10] work within a compromise not everybody's

[2:10:12] going to get what they want never going

[2:10:14] to happen

[2:10:15] and we have at some point we just have

[2:10:18] to sit back in our lives and you know

[2:10:20] move forward

[2:10:22] for the best we can uh please thank them

[2:10:24] for take overtime speeds that's our job

[2:10:27] we have to be careful now because if

[2:10:29] we're not too careful we might start to

[2:10:30] contradict the narrative that we're not

[2:10:32] actually working together to get and

[2:10:34] getting stuff done

[2:10:35] we're a little careful about that

[2:10:41] any other discussion is what do you want

[2:10:43] to keep this here

[2:10:45] I guess my only question is so if we um

[2:10:49] agree to not have the one percent tax

[2:10:52] cut now what do we do in terms of we

[2:10:54] need to uh go back to the computer and

[2:10:58] okay so let's just go back to the free

[2:11:01] course backup we just reports

[2:11:09] the proposed budget yeah

[2:11:11] we're not taking money at the end of the

[2:11:13] land we just go back we're actually

[2:11:14] removing money against that line taxes

[2:11:17] but going back to the maintenance

[2:11:19] proposed budget of 31 629

[2:11:25] [Music]

[2:11:33] and uh

[2:11:35] one of uh article my strategies you know

[2:11:39] African 16th house yes

[2:11:42] so just I'm sorry just run down that on

[2:11:46] this place

[2:11:47] budget okay 31 million 629.000.

[2:11:54] based on the proposal that was submitted

[2:11:56] last week they were asking for a one

[2:11:58] percent tax reduction equivalent to 316

[2:12:03] 292. taking that out so that was going

[2:12:05] to reduce

[2:12:06] the

[2:12:08] appropriate functions

[2:12:10] like 31

[2:12:13] 312 710. basically back here now I think

[2:12:18] there's a compromise that we're not

[2:12:19] going to reduce taxes by that amount of

[2:12:21] 316 000 290 and reward back to the

[2:12:25] mayor's proposed budget of 31 million

[2:12:27] 629

[2:12:29] 000. Mr Ferrari will do the in and out

[2:12:32] and uh

[2:12:43] foreign

[2:12:48] anything else to discuss on this

[2:12:50] I'm just I'm just sort of out I know

[2:12:57] [Music]

[2:12:58] maybe I should say it out loud

[2:13:06] questions

[2:13:21] [Music]

[2:13:38] is

[2:13:50] yeah

[2:13:52] and then we'll give you the

[2:13:55] what do you need to change it

[2:13:59] the opportunity to drive from the

[2:14:02] resolution

[2:14:03] and come back to the council I'm just

[2:14:07] going to be a little taller than

[2:14:08] consider control

[2:14:14] go ahead please so Mr Colden review the

[2:14:18] changes before

[2:14:23] once we finish and we decide to move

[2:14:25] forward Mr Coleman will get a copy he

[2:14:26] has a copy there's any markups he will

[2:14:28] make notes

[2:14:30] um

[2:14:31] able to graph up his resolution

[2:14:42] to the council before yeah about

[2:14:45] committing based on the changes Anthony

[2:14:47] mix okay I can go upstairs because then

[2:14:50] he will also agree with you you

[2:14:52] understand okay

[2:14:56] are there any other discussion on this

[2:14:59] items

[2:15:01] did we put the volume

[2:15:05] [Music]

[2:15:08] I always let you know I'll call you out

[2:15:11] and I'll let you know you don't have to

[2:15:13] do that with me

[2:15:14] did we put the money back into the

[2:15:15] capital budget for them yes we did okay

[2:15:18] that was the only change I believe that

[2:15:20] was in that so

[2:15:23] um

[2:15:24] Miss Patrick sorry that's right my

[2:15:28] attention on the capital

[2:15:29] 223 houses

[2:15:31] because because that's the nearest

[2:15:34] wasn't that it doesn't have to change

[2:15:36] okay so please put that back in there so

[2:15:38] that that was a misunderstanding from

[2:15:42] Police Department

[2:15:43] [Music]

[2:15:47] that we were able to put it back

[2:15:51] you raise your hand on me you get your

[2:15:53] own point over

[2:16:02] saying that I really told this

[2:16:05] I'd like to make a motion to move the

[2:16:06] budget uh with the discussed changes

[2:16:11] they have a second all in favor

[2:16:16] aye

[2:16:18] are there any other businesses for

[2:16:19] finance

[2:16:21] second all in favor

[2:16:25] aye we are here thank you

[2:16:28] um

[2:17:14] it's crazy

[2:17:38] um

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[2:18:42] I just had this from yesterday

[2:18:45] it wasn't the totals were always good

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[2:18:53] get the total first score

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[3:12:10] thank you

[3:12:18] I'd like to call to order this Festival

[3:12:20] City council meeting for Monday excuse

[3:12:22] me Wednesday October 26 2022

[3:12:26] we have one item on the agenda

[3:12:29] the clerk would please read

[3:12:31] item number one for final consideration

[3:12:33] an ordinance percentage section 36 of

[3:12:36] the second class cities law and article

[3:12:38] six of the chart of the city of

[3:12:40] Schenectady approving and adopting the

[3:12:42] proposed operating budget for 2023 and

[3:12:45] authorizing the appropriation therein

[3:12:48] enumerated

[3:12:50] discuss the committee with our injection

[3:12:53] okay roll call by Mr palomini

[3:13:00] but please call the one Mr Williams yeah

[3:13:07] Mr Farley yes

[3:13:10] Miss Patrick I'm going to vote

[3:13:13] um yes because I want to say that I am

[3:13:17] um I'm pleased with the ability that we

[3:13:20] had tonight to compromise with one

[3:13:22] another and

[3:13:24] um I think that you know I appreciate

[3:13:27] that as a council we were able to make

[3:13:30] some decisions together on this there

[3:13:34] are definitely things still that I'm not

[3:13:36] necessarily completely happy with

[3:13:38] um I will say in particular the items

[3:13:40] related to the police overtime and the

[3:13:43] um the staff person in the police

[3:13:45] department

[3:13:46] um I wish that those had been able to

[3:13:49] remain in but that being said I'm going

[3:13:52] to vote Yes as well

[3:13:54] Mr YouTuber

[3:13:58] sorry I was just questioning uh the

[3:14:01] capital budget is not here as well

[3:14:04] there was no changes

[3:14:08] it's all the mayor supposedly which is

[3:14:11] why I asked that question initially I

[3:14:12] want to make sure that we get great

[3:14:13] before we pass

[3:14:15] so yes I

[3:14:17] um you know a budget process uh the

[3:14:20] other thing we've been doing for you

[3:14:22] know and I think um this year will be a

[3:14:25] lot of questions new council member I

[3:14:27] appreciate all the questions I'll answer

[3:14:30] I repeat myself all the answer I want to

[3:14:32] thank you Mr Ferrari

[3:14:33] um

[3:14:37] providing him all the answers about

[3:14:38] watching anybody any council member

[3:14:41] asked a question and it was an answer

[3:14:43] because I make sure I make sure that I

[3:14:46] chose to my Safari and the question was

[3:14:49] answered and make sure to provide the

[3:14:51] opportunity to everybody to get an

[3:14:52] answer to understand the budget and to

[3:14:54] answer questions and the opportunity to

[3:14:57] process on you know all the information

[3:14:59] everybody has an opportunity to look at

[3:15:02] the budget look at the question look at

[3:15:03] the answer and yes we sometimes we can't

[3:15:07] dig or heal in the sand we have to

[3:15:09] compromise as Patrick mention compromise

[3:15:12] and move forward and was the best for

[3:15:14] our city I think this is a good budget

[3:15:16] and I'm happy that be part of it and to

[3:15:19] vote Yes on it and we'll give it to the

[3:15:21] mayor to

[3:15:22] for 20 Century operating am expense

[3:15:26] my vote is yes thank you this is the

[3:15:28] term I'm happy with the way things

[3:15:30] worked out tonight absolutely working

[3:15:32] together

[3:15:33] but I also feel that we need to make

[3:15:36] more fiscally responsible decisions so

[3:15:39] we can move our city forward in the future so I vote

[3:15:44] now

[3:15:46] Mr palomini

[3:15:47] I'd first like to thank my colleagues

[3:15:50] for all their hard work good questions

[3:15:54] actually very good questions

[3:15:56] however I'm very concerned with the

[3:15:59] sustainability of this Budget moving

[3:16:01] forward

[3:16:02] um unfortunately this is typically How

[3:16:05] We Do budgets at least in my time being

[3:16:08] on Council as a snapshot of time

[3:16:12] and

[3:16:15] I think we need to start really

[3:16:17] considering our future projects and this

[3:16:21] budget is such that I really don't feel

[3:16:24] we're in a good position moving down the

[3:16:27] road one or two or three years

[3:16:30] especially since we're going we're in a

[3:16:33] very high inflation period that

[3:16:36] inflation is not going away anytime soon

[3:16:38] quite frankly it might last a while

[3:16:42] we have the Federal Reserves going to

[3:16:45] have to increase

[3:16:48] interest rates that's going to be an

[3:16:51] impact on our bonding and costs there

[3:16:56] and unfortunately the Federal Reserve

[3:16:59] tends to

[3:17:00] overshoot with interest rate increases

[3:17:03] and

[3:17:05] we're projected to go on a pretty

[3:17:07] substantial

[3:17:09] um

[3:17:12] recession hopefully not a depression

[3:17:14] next year and I really question our

[3:17:18] ability to generate the revenues that

[3:17:22] we're talking about

[3:17:24] um

[3:17:25] I just don't think this is a sustainable

[3:17:28] budget and for that reason I'm voting

[3:17:31] now

[3:17:32] this Porterfield thank you so I also

[3:17:34] want to thank everyone who's asked

[3:17:36] questions put in some hard work

[3:17:37] especially thank you to Mr Baron for um

[3:17:41] leadership on this and for the mayor for

[3:17:43] putting forth his budget I've heard with

[3:17:45] everyone said we've talked about it you

[3:17:47] know we've been meeting several times

[3:17:48] and I agree that we also didn't get

[3:17:51] everything that everyone wanted however

[3:17:53] we did to come to a compromise I

[3:17:56] understand what Mr palawini is saying

[3:17:58] but it as he said it's way we we

[3:17:59] generally do budget so this is not new

[3:18:01] to this year in terms of how our budgets

[3:18:03] are done and if going forward we need to

[3:18:06] he whoever is the finance chair wants to

[3:18:09] or the mayor it's really the mayor who

[3:18:11] wants to project it out that's something

[3:18:13] certainly a topic for discussion as it

[3:18:15] is um today you know um like I said you

[3:18:18] know we put forth we put some things in

[3:18:21] we took some things out made concessions

[3:18:23] different places so I'm comfortable with

[3:18:25] this and I vote Yes on this budget

[3:18:29] so the motion passes five to two

[3:18:36] contain a motion to adjourn

[3:18:40] second by Miss Patrick I was in favor

[3:18:42] um thank you and good night good job

[3:18:47] I enjoy the rest of their evening

[3:18:52] [Laughter]

[3:18:56] [Applause]

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[3:19:26] thank you so much

[3:19:31] all right take care have a good night

[3:19:33] thank you very much hey

[3:19:37] sorry

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[3:19:47] good night

[3:19:59] what what do you have to finish

[3:20:06] all right

[3:20:08] yeah I mean you were saying it there but

[3:20:10] because the way this kind of came

[3:20:12] together in the last couple days the

[3:20:13] compromise has reached yes

[3:20:16] I took some work

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Schenectady Special Finance Committee & Council Meeting, October 26, 2022

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