[0:10] thank you

[0:12] [Music]

[0:34] foreign

[0:54] I'd like to call the city council

[0:55] committee meeting to order for Tuesday

[0:57] January 3rd 2023 happy New Year everyone

[1:01] happy New Year happy New Year and uh

[1:04] we're going to start first of all with

[1:05] Public Safety I'd like to call the

[1:07] Public Safety Committee to order we have

[1:09] one item on the agenda tonight that is

[1:11] excellent standards and I'll be

[1:12] presented by Chiefs

[1:18] foreign

[1:21] thank you very much

[1:23] I'm here tonight to uh to ask for the

[1:27] authority to enter through a contract

[1:28] with axon for a software program called

[1:31] axon standards

[1:33] we we knew about axon Sanders when we

[1:36] went with axon late last year however it

[1:41] wasn't up to the point where we could

[1:43] actually enter an agreement with them

[1:44] because it is a new product for them

[1:47] that comes with the officer safety plan

[1:50] there is a configuration and small

[1:53] additional fee that goes along with it

[1:56] and to just to tell you what axon

[1:57] standards is

[1:59] it's software as a service where they

[2:02] will develop for us a variety of

[2:05] different forms that could be used to

[2:08] electronically enter information and

[2:10] then we could use that information for

[2:12] data analytics later on

[2:14] forms would be such as use of force

[2:16] forms vehicle Pursuits vehicle

[2:19] collisions internal complaints citizen

[2:22] complaints

[2:24] Internal Affairs investigative case

[2:27] management things along these lines

[2:29] there are there is the ability to add

[2:32] additional customized forms of course

[2:35] that would um that would be an

[2:37] additional amount the cost for this is a

[2:40] fifteen thousand dollar implementation

[2:42] fee and a yearly amount of 4 276 dollars

[2:49] you are not asking for uh for any budget

[2:52] amendment we do have the money within

[2:54] our budget through our grant sources and

[2:58] also we're just looking to for the

[3:01] authority to move forward with this at

[3:03] this time

[3:04] okay thank you for the overview Chief um

[3:07] just before we start I'm doing that

[3:08] opportunity it said it's weird not

[3:10] having two seater in the room tonight

[3:12] I appreciate years of service and look

[3:15] forward to the next individuals tapping

[3:17] into that role I wanted to know if you

[3:19] could just identify a any agreement it

[3:22] talked about how there were aspects that

[3:25] could potentially be outside of the

[3:26] school for this project do you foresee

[3:28] any of those burdens coming up are those

[3:31] being issues moving forward

[3:35] um you mean

[3:36] additional forms that would need to be

[3:38] created on page 11 the change order as

[3:41] said the following are considered

[3:43] outside of this whole bit of project and

[3:45] would be a cost Associated to the city

[3:47] automatics

[3:49] I didn't know if any of those items were

[3:51] applicable to this project

[4:12] thank you

[4:24] okay uh now I can better answer this so

[4:26] no basically what they're telling us is

[4:28] that we would have to manage the

[4:31] implementation of it on our end through

[4:33] RIT and uh you know RIT administrator up

[4:36] along card has been made aware of this

[4:38] and sees no issues with it perfect thank

[4:40] you any questions or comments from

[4:43] council members

[4:53] [Applause]

[4:57] access license fee the standard access

[5:00] license

[5:02] is showing forty thousand four forty six

[5:08] that is on page two of the credit cards

[5:12] the performance invoice so I mean that's

[5:15] the total over the nine years

[5:21] it's a fifteen thousand plus that the

[5:24] four thousands a year going forward so

[5:26] that is the 55 yes on the net force base

[5:29] yeah that that's what's broken down over

[5:31] the I believe eight years and we also

[5:35] would have the ability to break down the

[5:37] fifteen thousand over the same eight

[5:38] years but I think that we would plan on

[5:41] just paying that and have keeping the

[5:42] cost low of 4 200 a year

[5:45] yep thank you and if there are any other

[5:49] comments um I had one final question

[5:52] I didn't see in the packet speaking to

[5:54] when the project was start and the

[5:55] intended end date would you have a

[5:58] time frame of mind sure

[6:01] um sorry about that we need to put that

[6:02] in there the um

[6:04] there it's expected to be eight months

[6:07] from the time that we are able to sign

[6:08] with them so we're expecting that once

[6:11] this goes through the legislative

[6:12] process and we're able to sign it

[6:14] might be close to February so we

[6:17] probably wouldn't be seeing this

[6:19] implemented until fall roughly October

[6:21] range

[6:23] perfect

[6:24] thank you for any other questions or

[6:27] comments

[6:31] bye thank you thank you are there any

[6:34] other items to the Falls of the Safety

[6:35] Committee

[6:36] second awesome favorite touch

[6:41] um

[6:47] is request the authorization to purchase

[6:50] chlorine gas 2023 or the water

[6:53] department

[6:59] thank you

[7:05] I don't know if I have all the places

[7:07] here either

[7:08] so

[7:10] I'm missing part of the back but then

[7:12] we'll have the oddpages

[7:33] on an annual basis

[7:35] uh requests for bids for chlorine gas

[7:40] this bid was put out while was returned

[7:43] on December 28 2022 for chlorine gas

[7:47] 2023. one bid was received by jci Jones

[7:51] chemicals Inc of Sarasota Florida and

[7:54] the amount of

[7:56] 109 500

[7:59] so this is looking for authorization to

[8:02] purchase

[8:04] the 150 pound cylinder unit

[8:08] to cover 365 150 pound cylinder units

[8:13] from jci Jones chemicals Inc from 109

[8:16] 500.

[8:30] three now

[8:33] I'm going to ask a question or comments

[8:36] do you mind finishing up he wasn't here

[8:38] when we started finishing this item and

[8:39] then we'll finish okay any questions in

[8:42] regards to item number one

[8:45] so

[8:46] um do you know if this is uh someone

[8:48] you've used before I don't know offhand

[8:52] I don't know if the city clerk has any

[8:54] recollection from

[8:56] previous years when opening up the It's

[9:00] usually the same

[9:05] chemicals

[9:07] they're the best

[9:10] okay any other questions

[9:17] all in favor

[9:21] okay so our next item on the agenda is

[9:24] request authorization to purchase liquid

[9:26] sodium

[9:27] um I'm gonna super pronounce that around

[9:30] for the restarted treatment plan

[9:35] but he's not here so I have it um so the

[9:38] city put out and forbid a request for

[9:41] bids for liquid sodium disulfite as it

[9:44] does on an annual basis sees um for the

[9:48] treatment of waste water in the city uh

[9:50] on December 28 2022 low business

[9:53] received from Holland Company Inc in the

[9:56] amount of seventy four thousand four

[9:58] hundred dollars

[10:00] the request is to authorize a purchase

[10:04] order to Holland Company Inc in the

[10:07] amount of seventy four thousand four

[10:08] hundred dollars for liquid sodium

[10:11] sulfite for 2023 to treat our waste

[10:14] water

[10:19] um so on the on the list the company

[10:21] names I don't see the company that we're choosing on this list it's

[10:27] the first one

[10:29] Shannon chemical no Holland company H5

[10:32] yeah but on this

[10:34] um

[10:38] I don't know if you're missing pages on

[10:41] this no I'm not I mean I'm just looking

[10:44] at the numbers what I have here and this

[10:45] is my issue right now is I have page 27

[10:47] and then page 29.

[10:49] so I don't necessarily know if I'm

[10:53] missing pages or this page one page the

[10:55] page with Shannon is the next resolution

[10:59] the number three on our agenda oh okay

[11:03] cool so we're all right it does seem

[11:05] like we're missing a couple of things so

[11:10] um

[11:10] looking at the documentation that we

[11:13] have

[11:14] um but I have numbers page 29 that was

[11:18] 27-29 Holland Company Inc did submitter

[11:22] of Adams Massachusetts you can see who

[11:24] requested

[11:26] um so this was put on bitten up it

[11:28] appears who requested the

[11:31] um the request for Biz right they are

[11:34] one of them

[11:36] um certainly we can follow up

[11:38] um I don't know if it was in the packet

[11:40] to begin with

[11:42] the information bed sheet right that

[11:45] you're always looking for

[11:47] um I don't have it in my pocket here

[11:50] I thought it was that one but it's the

[11:52] next one so

[11:53] I can make a suggestion a suggestion if

[11:56] we can maybe if we want to take a five

[11:58] minute break to see if we can print

[11:59] everything out okay if that makes sense

[12:02] before we do that I just is this the

[12:05] same company um Mr Farm was talking

[12:06] about before that this was pretty much

[12:08] the only company that uh that offers

[12:11] this I believe that was for the chlorine

[12:13] gas because I know that is much more

[12:15] difficult because we use chlorine as a

[12:18] gas as opposed to other municipalities

[12:20] that use it in a different form

[12:23] yeah I'm saying yeah right so Miss

[12:26] Michael is going to print out the page

[12:27] so that we should make sure that we have

[12:28] all the documentation as we're passing

[12:30] this stuff so

[12:34] anybody want anything

[12:37] okay thank you

[12:41] foreign

[12:44] [Music]

[12:46] number five government operations is

[12:49] related to 1134 Albany Street I realized

[12:52] that I didn't print out a couple of

[12:53] things that would be helpful for the

[12:55] council's consideration so I'm just

[12:56] going to pass that out to you all

[13:04] thank you

[13:18] just

[13:30] oh okay you can see where it is

[13:35] right now yeah

[13:57] for New Years

[14:02] thank you

[14:11] from

[14:19] um

[14:26] rules that's not what I do and we

[14:29] prepare the documents

[14:32] [Music]

[14:34] is

[14:38] the organizations

[14:52] no because they're not Contracting with

[14:54] an individuals

[14:57] [Music]

[15:51] we are on agenda item number two

[15:57] all right I think you have all the

[15:59] information now okay

[16:00] um

[16:01] so the city annually puts out the bid

[16:05] um a requester bid a liquid sodium

[16:08] bisulfite uh it's used in the treatment

[16:11] of City Wastewater

[16:13] um you can see who access the list on

[16:17] page 29 if you look at page uh 27

[16:22] however back on December 28 2022

[16:27] the city received three bids

[16:30] the low the lowest bidder on this was

[16:36] pound Company Inc

[16:39] in the amount of seventy four thousand

[16:41] four hundred dollars uh there were two

[16:45] other bids that were received the city's

[16:48] looking to

[16:49] move into excuse me issue a purchase

[16:52] order to Holland Company Inc for that

[16:54] amount seventy four thousand four

[16:56] hundred dollars for the 2023 liquid

[16:58] sodium phosphate disulfide

[17:03] okay any questions depends around that

[17:06] I'll move this second what was the paper

[17:18] acid for the water department

[17:21] all right I'm going to say one time

[17:24] Hydro fluocilacillus yeah

[17:28] [Music]

[17:34] um again this is uh used this is a

[17:37] request for bid we put out every year to

[17:40] see this again for the treatment of city

[17:41] water

[17:42] it went out

[17:44] back actually requests were due um and

[17:48] we're open on December 28 2022 you can

[17:51] see on a numbered page 32 those

[17:54] businesses that requested the documents

[17:59] for the bid when the bid was open there

[18:02] were two bidders who had submitted

[18:05] the lowest bidder on this was Univar

[18:10] Solutions USA Inc of Morrisville

[18:12] Pennsylvania in the amount of fifty four

[18:14] thousand eighty dollars

[18:17] the request is for the committee to move

[18:22] ahead for a resolution uh The Authority

[18:25] for the American issue of purchase order

[18:26] to Univar Solutions USA Inc in the

[18:28] amount of fifty four thousand eighty

[18:30] dollars

[18:31] questions and comments

[18:34] um this is the same company that we

[18:35] always use I believe this is definitely

[18:37] the company that we used last year I

[18:39] don't know about priors like years prior

[18:41] to that but I I do recall this company

[18:43] previously yeah

[18:45] and it's just an increase over last year

[18:51] it may be an increase we can go back and

[18:54] take a look at the resolution that was

[18:55] authorized last year to see how it

[18:58] compares

[19:03] I'm pretty sure everything went up this

[19:05] year

[19:08] on this

[19:10] I'm moving I'll second well there's a

[19:13] favor hi

[19:15] so we are on the report now uh item on

[19:19] the agenda it's just a reminder that we

[19:21] are amending uh chapter 183 or include

[19:24] the city code

[19:26] um for businesses required contains or

[19:27] certificates and that's going to be held

[19:30] on the 9th right after the state of the

[19:32] city

[19:34] I have to say this city so that's just

[19:36] reminded of the public hearing will need

[19:37] help

[19:39] [Music]

[19:44] and our last item on the agenda um is

[19:48] pertains a lot with you I mean we were

[19:50] mentioning something earlier about that

[19:51] Mr Andrew I just passed out some

[19:54] information that might be a bit more

[19:56] helpful okay okay so Mr Coleman thank

[20:00] you

[20:01] um this is

[20:03] a bit of a request that doesn't

[20:05] typically come up

[20:07] um we are currently involved in a tax

[20:10] lien foreclosure

[20:12] covering we haven't done the taxing

[20:14] foreclosures since the last time I did

[20:15] it was 2018 into the beginning of 2019

[20:18] then covet happened and it you know

[20:21] delayed

[20:22] um you know pursuant to the executive

[20:24] orders one we could do tasseling

[20:26] foreclosures so we're in the middle of

[20:28] the passing foreclosure covers years

[20:30] 2020 2019 and 2018 those are new the

[20:34] first time we've done a foreclosure of

[20:36] those Lanes there are also some older

[20:38] liens that are still that were still

[20:41] foreclosing on uh one of the properties

[20:44] that we're foreclosing on is 1134 Albany

[20:47] Street

[20:48] um

[20:49] is known as section block section block

[20:52] and lot 4950-5-14

[20:54] [Music]

[20:56] um there have been a converted residence

[20:58] with a convenience store on the first

[21:00] floor in residential space on the second

[21:02] floor at that site until August of 2018.

[21:06] at which point uh fire ravaged the

[21:09] building due to the excessive damage

[21:11] from the fire and putting out the fire

[21:14] the city performed in an emergency

[21:16] demolition in September of 2018. so this

[21:19] happened at the uh late August 2018 uh

[21:21] the fire happened right at the beginning

[21:23] of September of 2018 the city did the

[21:26] emergency demolition the property has

[21:29] been a vacant lot since but for if you

[21:32] look in the photo there there's like a

[21:34] small Garage in the far back

[21:37] um

[21:38] the property still owned by the same

[21:40] person who owned the property back when

[21:42] the fire happened president by the name

[21:44] of nagisawa

[21:47] Lot's dimensions are 33 feet by 100 feet

[21:50] so it's not buildable as of right has to

[21:53] be 40 feet wide to be buildable as of

[21:55] right somebody would have to get a

[21:55] variance if they wanted to build a

[21:57] structure there

[21:58] is currently assessed at fifteen

[22:01] thousand two hundred dollars if you look

[22:04] at the chart that I provided it shows

[22:06] the tax amounts that are due on the

[22:08] property and it's more than just taxes

[22:10] the liens also include the cost of a

[22:14] city to do the emergency demolition with

[22:18] the

[22:19] asbestos monitoring Etc and there was

[22:23] also a water leak there that the city

[22:26] serviced so if you look there are some

[22:29] big numbers on here in 2019 there was

[22:33] the non-tax lien of 11 109 and you can

[22:37] see all the interest that's accrued on

[22:38] it and then that's the um the service

[22:41] leak

[22:43] um and then in 2020

[22:45] um there was a municipal a muse MVB a

[22:50] municipal voucher Bill converted into a

[22:53] property lien uh that 57

[22:56] 648.86 that's what's the cost to do the

[22:58] demolition

[23:00] um an attorney reached out to my office

[23:03] saying look the brother of the owner of

[23:06] this property wants to buy the property

[23:08] because he owns the property right next

[23:10] door and that property is 1132 Albany

[23:14] Street so if you're looking at this

[23:16] picture it's the building to the right

[23:20] and he wants to essentially buy a lot

[23:24] from his brother the problem is the

[23:27] property is not worth what's due tax

[23:29] wise now or lean wise so what I said I

[23:32] want to say taxi because it's more than

[23:33] just taxes it's these other liens as

[23:35] well and the city council and I gave you

[23:39] a breakdown of what those amounts are

[23:42] what's owed principal tax wise and

[23:45] they're sitting in school taxes the city

[23:47] makes the school whole and then we are

[23:50] the foreclosing entity and then once we

[23:52] buy those things so speak from the

[23:54] school district

[23:56] we would then collect anything from and

[24:00] if from somebody making payment right

[24:02] for the school liens and interest

[24:04] accrues on those leads so there's the

[24:07] principal taxes sitting in school

[24:09] there's the interest on those taxes for

[24:12] the city and school and then there's the

[24:14] principle on those non-tax lines uh and

[24:17] then there's the interest on the non-tax

[24:19] lanes right

[24:22] um

[24:23] so the owner of the excuse me the

[24:25] attorney who's representing this brother

[24:28] wants to redeem the property he wants to

[24:31] pay the taxes off for his brother so

[24:33] that they can well he can buy the

[24:36] property by just paying the taxes off

[24:38] however when you do the math it just

[24:41] doesn't make Financial sense for him to

[24:43] do it

[24:44] um

[24:44] the city council has the ability to

[24:48] waive interest that's accrued for both

[24:52] the tax liens and also those

[24:54] non-toslines the city council can also

[24:57] discharge the non-tax lanes which we the

[25:02] MVB for the water service and the MVB

[25:04] amount for the the fire demolition the

[25:08] city council cannot do anything related

[25:11] to the principle for the tax liens

[25:14] themselves

[25:16] um those have to be paid and that amount

[25:19] would be sixteen thousand two hundred

[25:20] and twenty four dollars and eight cents

[25:23] um this is as I mentioned this property

[25:26] is a vacant lot

[25:28] um

[25:29] I think generally the council has an

[25:31] idea of how much we typically sell a

[25:33] vacant lot for particularly one that's

[25:34] not buildable you know I can throw a

[25:37] number out there and you know maybe it's

[25:41] what you're thinking somewhere in the

[25:42] ballpark of twenty five hundred dollars

[25:44] maybe five thousand dollars per vacant

[25:46] lot five thousand is actually a stretch

[25:48] particularly when it's not buildable

[25:51] um if we take this in foreclosure

[25:54] we would then eventually you know have a

[25:57] vacant lot available for somebody to buy

[25:58] which is fine that happens but since

[26:01] this attorney reached out to me I wanted

[26:03] to bring it to the safe Nelson's

[26:05] attention to see if the city council was

[26:07] inclined to

[26:09] discharge the two mdvs the one related

[26:13] to the fire demo and the one related to

[26:15] the water service work that was done

[26:19] and waived the interest on those lanes

[26:23] and also the tax Lanes

[26:25] uh this person would still be

[26:27] responsible for paying 16 the principal

[26:30] and taxes which is sixteen thousand two

[26:32] hundred and twenty four dollars and

[26:33] eight cents in order to redeem it

[26:36] [Music]

[26:38] so are in

[26:41] it sounds like the right uh

[26:44] physical decision to make on

[26:47] you were saying the distance is

[26:48] something that I know

[26:50] occurs

[26:52] frequently all right how many times have

[26:54] you done something like this this has as

[26:56] far as I know I can remember not not

[26:59] this this has not occurred as far as I

[27:01] know something like this there was one

[27:04] instance

[27:06] trying to think well there was an

[27:08] instance where the city council had the

[27:09] ability to waive I think some interest

[27:11] for

[27:13] um I think it was some Churches at one

[27:15] point for not-for-profits because they

[27:17] didn't file the correct paperwork and

[27:20] then there was also some state law that was years and years ago this is

[27:25] remarkably different yeah

[27:27] um you know I can't tell the council

[27:30] what to do in this I can just present

[27:32] you with the offer and I can tell you as

[27:35] I said if we sell this property it's

[27:37] probably going to be the ballpark of you

[27:39] know if we take it and then sell it a

[27:41] lot I would imagine the way we saw

[27:43] vacant Lots sometimes is going to be in

[27:45] the ballpark of 2500 maybe even five

[27:47] thousand dollars maybe

[27:49] um

[27:50] the taxes the principal taxes don't go

[27:53] away

[27:54] um if you get rid of the interest and

[27:57] get rid of you know the non-tasks tests

[28:01] lean amount

[28:03] um

[28:03] the principal would still have to be

[28:05] paid six over sixteen thousand dollars

[28:07] so

[28:09] um you know I don't I know we like

[28:11] sometimes words like prostheticus thrown

[28:13] around this isn't really one of those

[28:15] scenarios this is very unique

[28:16] circumstance because there's no

[28:19] structure there

[28:20] um you know it's just really and it

[28:23] doesn't create you know it doesn't

[28:26] create anything legally that you know

[28:29] somebody's going to come back to you and

[28:31] well you did it in this scenario the

[28:33] scenario is very unique

[28:36] but it's completely up to the Council of

[28:38] how it wants to happen

[28:43] perfect so the brother owns 1132 the

[28:47] building next door so the person who

[28:50] wants to buy the but pay off the taxes

[28:53] he owns 11.32.

[28:56] so proprietor I'm sorry he's the only

[28:58] one who's the only one on this on the D

[29:00] correct so yes I believe he is the only

[29:03] one on the deed from what I saw

[29:06] come right

[29:09] so the second part is so what would stop

[29:13] him from you know getting this and

[29:15] somehow transferring it back to his

[29:16] brother he could potentially do it but

[29:19] he would still have to pay the sixteen

[29:21] thousand dollars off

[29:23] in like there because all he would be

[29:25] doing is redeeming

[29:28] all I'm asking you know the responses to

[29:31] as I said wave

[29:34] um the the interest

[29:36] and discharge the MVB the two mvbs uh

[29:41] the principal so that the brother can

[29:43] then redeem the parcel or the property

[29:46] owner can redeem the parcel and sell it

[29:48] to his brother he still would have to

[29:49] come up with sixteen thousand dollars

[29:52] and you know a little over sixteen

[29:54] thousand dollars

[29:56] um

[29:57] that doesn't prevent you know it

[30:00] honestly doesn't prevent the brother

[30:01] from keeping a vacant lot

[30:03] you know he would then have to pay taxes

[30:06] on it and all that this is merely a

[30:08] question and you know every time we were

[30:10] like you know what you're getting at

[30:11] it's merely a question of whether or not

[30:14] um the city wants to potentially take

[30:17] the property in foreclosure and then

[30:20] um sell it for less than what could be

[30:24] what it would be redeemed for

[30:26] thank you

[30:32] think you could we negotiate with the

[30:34] attorney that wants it at least recover

[30:35] the demolition fee and the water since

[30:38] we kind of paid that out in

[30:41] we could it doesn't seem as if from

[30:44] talking to the attorney

[30:47] um it's going to happen that way you

[30:49] know he he reached out to me the brother

[30:52] doesn't see the value in paying

[30:56] you know 68

[30:59] 757.86 for a lot that can't be built

[31:03] upon

[31:05] um as I said you know

[31:07] he just doesn't make it doesn't make

[31:09] Financial sense for him to do that

[31:12] the only things are there on the

[31:15] property right now are the the tax

[31:16] leaning and the two other liens right

[31:18] there's no other claims of all these

[31:20] properties

[31:22] um I can't speak to any other inter I

[31:24] can only talk about the tax Lanes I

[31:27] can't speak to a mortgage or anything

[31:29] like that you know but when we do a

[31:32] foreclosure it you know anybody who has

[31:35] an interest in the property mortgage

[31:37] company judgment debtor or judgment

[31:39] creditor rather their interest is

[31:42] foreclosed because we have to provide

[31:43] them with notice Etc our tax liens are

[31:46] at the top of the list

[31:47] all right we have priority over those

[31:50] other creditors

[31:52] [Music]

[31:53] that answer the question yeah

[31:57] just to follow that did before close on

[31:59] this property I love you we're currently

[32:01] in the process of the Foreclosure right

[32:03] so you don't have a list of all the

[32:05] vaccines all of these against us

[32:07] property I have a list of the liens

[32:10] these are our links I don't have a list

[32:13] of all the other leads I don't get that

[32:15] what I get from when we do the searching

[32:18] for it our pump the company that does

[32:20] the search for us tells us only who has

[32:22] to who we have to serve right there's a

[32:25] mortgage on the property this is the

[32:26] company you have to serve we don't see

[32:28] the the document the mortgage document

[32:30] we don't see any of that so we don't

[32:33] know the amount to our Windows it might

[32:34] be a judgment creditor but we don't see

[32:36] what the Judgment amount is we just see

[32:39] that we need to serve this individual or

[32:41] this entity

[32:46] foreign

[32:54] they're in good standing with the city

[32:56] right now correct there are um from what

[32:59] I could tell though well I can tell you

[33:01] there is no taxes due on this property

[33:04] next door it's not subject to

[33:05] foreclosure they're not behind on taxes

[33:08] um and any and I think there's one other

[33:10] parcel that's owned by this person no

[33:12] taxes are owed I couldn't find any open

[33:14] code violations so no issues on that

[33:18] front

[33:23] so would it be possible to require them

[33:28] to

[33:30] consolidate the vacant parcel with his

[33:34] the buyer's property that way it might

[33:37] alleviate some of the concerns about

[33:40] giving it back to the brother yeah I

[33:42] understand that

[33:44] um that's a good question I've been

[33:45] thinking about that I don't think we can

[33:47] do it in this scenario because

[33:51] either the council

[33:52] um

[33:54] either the council just trying because

[33:56] it's not like a property sale where we

[33:58] can hold it under contract to say it has

[34:00] to be Consolidated as this isn't that

[34:02] scenario this is just is the council

[34:05] going to you know waive the interest and

[34:08] discharge the those non-tass Lanes

[34:12] um

[34:13] I would I would certainly you know I

[34:15] know the attorney uh obviously and I

[34:18] think a lot of us may know that attorney

[34:19] I would tell him this is something that

[34:21] you know we want to see happen it makes

[34:23] more sense but because

[34:28] um it will be redeemed before the

[34:30] property is actually transferred and

[34:32] that's a private transaction I can't

[34:34] require that

[34:36] [Applause]

[34:42] [Music]

[34:46] any other thoughts questions

[34:50] that's amazing that for me is like I

[34:53] mean one of the major concerns that I

[34:55] don't know I mean I don't have anything

[34:57] family should be and you know help each

[34:59] other but I have concerns that somehow

[35:01] this is

[35:03] gonna really end up back with the person

[35:04] who you know had all these charges had

[35:07] all these days right

[35:10] and I'm sorry if I can just comment on

[35:13] that

[35:14] um you know to be fair this

[35:16] um to that person that fire that I mean

[35:18] obviously some of these taxes go back

[35:21] um you know well actually

[35:22] taxes in 2018 weren't too bad but when

[35:26] that fire happened

[35:28] um obviously on that fire I believe

[35:30] happened in um just uh 2018. yeah so

[35:35] they were I've been pretty good with

[35:37] your taxes up until the point of fires

[35:40] and then it didn't make sense I didn't

[35:42] get away for them you know for paying

[35:44] taxes on property with this structure

[35:48] and it's not worth because remember the

[35:50] assessment always comes before the tax

[35:53] year right

[35:55] um so in 2019 when that fire happened

[35:59] um

[36:00] and then in 2020 it was still being I

[36:04] think seen as a structure still being

[36:06] there since it was based on the previous

[36:09] year the previous year the assessment

[36:11] right so the 2019 assessment year

[36:15] impacted obviously the 2020 taxes

[36:19] right this is It's the lag that kind of

[36:22] happens with it

[36:23] um you know that's what I think in a way

[36:26] this person who owns this property at

[36:29] 1134 Albany Street without a structure

[36:32] being there

[36:34] um it didn't make sense honestly I think

[36:36] for that person to you know I'm going to

[36:39] pay the city 57 000 for the Emergency

[36:42] demo I don't have one I don't have the

[36:44] funds to pay that amount

[36:46] um I'll just lose it in foreclosure

[36:49] um you know it's it's difficult right

[36:53] um

[36:54] you know to be to be honest I think what

[36:57] happens on the back end if the city

[36:59] takes us in foreclosure chances are

[37:01] we're going to try to sell it to an

[37:03] adjacent property owner yeah and I don't

[37:06] anything there it could be the other

[37:07] side or it could be somebody else who

[37:09] you know seeks out of variance because

[37:12] they actually want to build there as

[37:13] possible has happened before and you

[37:16] know sometimes they can get the variance

[37:18] but as I said this is a very unique

[37:21] circumstance in that you know this

[37:24] person would still have to pay the six

[37:25] over sixteen thousand dollars to redeem

[37:27] the property uh and it's a property that

[37:30] you know would be difficult for the city

[37:32] to

[37:34] sell for more than five thousand dollars

[37:36] so

[37:38] I'm sorry I just want to say that I

[37:40] think that I hear the concerns but it

[37:42] seems to me like I wonder if the person

[37:45] currently is the owner the brother or

[37:47] the person who would be giving us the

[37:49] over sixteen thousand dollars would even

[37:51] want the property back I mean it sounds

[37:53] like

[37:54] he's disregarded it for this this many

[37:56] years

[37:57] um this few years I should say but I I

[38:00] feel like it's almost like a bird in the

[38:01] hand kind of situation where I would

[38:04] agree that we're going to get if we get

[38:06] over sixteen thousand dollars for this

[38:08] um to me that's a windfall versus you

[38:12] know what we could possibly sell it for

[38:14] realistically so I know I'm not on the

[38:16] committee but I I would be in favor of us moving forward with the

[38:21] recommendation as presented

[38:28] any other questions comments on this

[38:32] entertaining motion

[38:34] a motion for that so

[38:38] it's a way of the non-tax claim waive

[38:43] the interests on the taxes and aware of

[38:45] the interest and the non-backed slave

[38:47] exactly so what it says in the bottom

[38:49] sixteen thousand right to discharge the

[38:52] non-passen through 2019 and 2020

[38:55] respectively and waive the interest on

[38:57] 2018 through 2021 non-tass lanes and tax

[39:01] links as applied to 1134 Albany Street

[39:04] so it's getting rid of all interests is

[39:07] only the only thing that will be

[39:08] remaining is the principle of the tax

[39:11] liens

[39:16] foreign

[39:32] [Music]

[39:57] hi

[40:03] call to order Finance on the first item

[40:05] is a reminder for the homes

[40:08] ARP the historical allocation plan for

[40:12] the home Consortium that's a reminder of

[40:14] public hearing should be held on the

[40:17] January 9th because next Monday

[40:20] the next item is the application for

[40:24] ReStore New York around 7th grad so we

[40:26] had a public Hearing in 1227.

[40:29] are there any comments regarding this

[40:35] seeing them

[40:40] a reminder I believe

[40:47] all in favor

[40:51] the next item is update our allocation

[40:54] Miss Porterfield thank you so Mr told me

[40:58] to speak to a couple of the subjective

[41:01] items going on here

[41:04] um

[41:04] so the

[41:06] small Department

[41:09] sent out a direct agreement to various

[41:12] departments to get input on the you know

[41:17] the applicant excuse me the agreements

[41:19] that are ready to go out those were

[41:21] there aren't any contingencies those

[41:22] that are strictly programmatic

[41:25] we got some feedback from the

[41:28] development department

[41:30] the draft agreements were modified today

[41:34] they went back over to the development

[41:36] department this afternoon the

[41:38] development department I believe we're

[41:40] going to move I know Danbury from

[41:43] developments here I believe we're going

[41:45] to move ahead and get those rapid

[41:46] agreements out in the next day or two to

[41:50] those organizations so that they can

[41:52] review it one of the things that did go

[41:54] out a while back is probably a month ago

[41:56] there was a letter that went out to

[41:59] those organizations that

[42:02] were appropriated funds for for their

[42:07] projects

[42:10] they're as part of that there was a

[42:12] checklist that was

[42:15] um I think sent with the letter

[42:17] requesting certain documentation so we

[42:20] could have things in hand and be ready

[42:21] to go even for those organizations that

[42:23] had contingencies related to you know

[42:25] raising other funds so that they you

[42:27] know once they got the funds in place we

[42:29] would already have the other

[42:30] documentation we needed so we can just

[42:32] kind of you know enter into contract my

[42:35] understanding is some organizations have

[42:38] provided us with all the documentation

[42:39] uh so it'll be easier for us to enter

[42:41] into those agreements sooner rather than

[42:44] later particularly those that don't have

[42:46] contingencies

[42:48] some of them have not submitted their

[42:52] documentation that was requested

[42:54] I believe Mr spray from the development

[42:58] department could speak a bit more to

[42:59] those documents

[43:02] otherwise

[43:03] I know there was a question related to

[43:09] um

[43:10] what funds have to be or what

[43:13] contingencies existed particularly those

[43:15] funds that had to be raised by certain

[43:16] organizations in order to

[43:20] um

[43:21] you know essentially get the other

[43:22] funding from the city

[43:24] um I don't know what if the council has

[43:26] received anything on that it has yes so

[43:29] what um witness Mike who is provided to

[43:31] every council member is actually a copy

[43:33] of the resolution and within the

[43:34] resolution as you read through the

[43:36] resolves it tells you you know what the

[43:38] contingencies are so we are going

[43:41] working on putting it into a spreadsheet

[43:43] format but for this Patrick assets last

[43:45] time so the information is there just

[43:47] have to read and that's one of the

[43:50] resolutions the other resolution did not

[43:52] mention the contingencies it just said

[43:56] that the council appropriated the funds

[43:58] and authorized contracts only with

[44:01] non-contingency organizations but we

[44:04] could obviously go in and fill in the

[44:07] blanks in terms of what the

[44:08] contingencies are for those

[44:10] organizations that do have them

[44:13] uh with that I don't know if you'd like

[44:15] Mr Gray to speak to

[44:17] Instagram we can just add to the first

[44:20] resolution that we pass with regards to

[44:22] the course of application uh Patrick but

[44:26] uh there's a two organization that had

[44:29] contingency available Deeds on the force

[44:32] of them second resolution this one has

[44:35] dates one year from the award so we'll

[44:38] have to amend the next cycle

[44:41] for these two organization to add the

[44:44] one year didn't we do that at our last

[44:46] community no we didn't we held up

[44:47] because we wanted a list of all the

[44:49] project with contingencies right okay so

[44:51] we have

[44:52] so we'll put it in Excel format and just

[44:55] distributed across okay bro this this

[44:58] does it for me oh this doesn't for you

[45:00] yeah yeah

[45:06] thank you

[45:16] so

[45:17] um I guess you're looking to have some

[45:19] updates on where we stand with the arpa

[45:22] funding um as Andrew pointed out you

[45:25] know we sent out letters the Mayors all

[45:26] sent out letters with a list of

[45:28] different things we were looking to get

[45:30] prior to entering contract

[45:34] those things were primarily related

[45:36] around policies and procedures and

[45:37] internal controls within organizations

[45:39] this is federal money so

[45:43] um

[45:44] part two CFR 200 kind of dictates what

[45:47] is required of agencies to have internal

[45:50] controls and how they procure contracts

[45:53] and things like that so we ask for the

[45:55] policies and procedures around that um

[45:56] you know there's there's Federal

[45:59] Regulations around anti-discrimination

[46:01] laws we ask that agencies provide that

[46:04] information as well

[46:06] um

[46:07] and then you know some agencies got the

[46:09] amount of money they requested some

[46:11] agencies got less

[46:13] um so we asked for updated Scopes will

[46:15] work

[46:16] um any agency that was looking for more

[46:18] of a kind of construction related things

[46:21] like the Carver Community Center is an

[46:23] example

[46:24] um we're looking to get the actual

[46:26] construction documents on the complete

[46:28] budget a lot of these agencies when they

[46:30] applied for the funding they didn't

[46:31] necessarily have a lot of things in

[46:32] place so we were trying to look to

[46:34] collect kind of all that information

[46:36] prior to you know entering an agreement

[46:40] or at least entering a conversation

[46:42] about those things prior to you

[46:50] questions related to that

[46:54] so that's going on right now and to what

[46:56] is do you always ask the third time do

[46:59] you have a time um so there's there's a

[47:01] couple agencies that have submitted

[47:02] everything uh most are working to

[47:05] pull it all together

[47:08] um you know different groups are

[47:10] different stages I can't speak off the

[47:13] top of my head at this point in time who

[47:15] stands where but

[47:17] you know as we get the paperwork in and

[47:19] the information in we'll certainly work

[47:21] on getting the contracts out you know

[47:22] the law Department sent over to draft

[47:23] agreement today

[47:27] so

[47:28] and nothing should prevent the draft

[47:32] agreement for going out now to again we

[47:35] waited for feedback from the development

[47:37] department and I went to another

[47:39] department as well we took that feedback

[47:42] built it into the agreement

[47:45] and for those as I said for those

[47:48] organizations that are providing

[47:50] programming and not construction and

[47:52] that don't have contingencies the

[47:55] contracts are ready to go out they

[47:56] should be going out I would imagine you

[47:58] know as I said tomorrow or the day after

[48:00] that's that you know and then and

[48:03] they've already submitted those

[48:04] documents that they needed to submit as

[48:06] Mr Gray indicated the internal controls

[48:09] are important because we're dealing with

[48:10] Federal funding

[48:11] um one of the documents that we looked

[48:14] and receive was the audits at the last

[48:16] audit from those organizations some of

[48:19] them obviously have them because they're

[48:20] larger organizations as something that

[48:22] they do in their normal scope of work

[48:25] some organizations don't have audits

[48:28] they haven't done an audit recently at

[48:31] least an independent audit so we're

[48:33] working with those organizations to try

[48:35] to figure out how they can get you know

[48:37] fulfill those requirements that's kind

[48:40] of a lift for certain organizations

[48:44] any other questions regarding this

[48:51] so in two weeks we're going to bring it

[48:53] back but we want to have the spreadsheet

[48:55] and kind of where we are so it's like

[48:57] one more concise document so that will

[48:59] include then then we'll be able to talk

[49:02] about just putting the one year thing on

[49:04] the two agents okay yeah yes

[49:12] the projects that haven't been selected

[49:15] would be appropriate now to speak

[49:18] towards how and inform any projects that

[49:21] are still not receiving funding either

[49:24] letting them know where they currently

[49:26] stand with us as council members I am

[49:28] not trying to distribute more work to

[49:30] our city city officials but I think it

[49:33] is long overdue for the community that

[49:36] is waiting to at least get an updated in

[49:39] some form of fashion as to why your

[49:41] project has not been selected or ways

[49:44] and mechanisms to correct some gaps so

[49:47] that you do receive further

[49:48] consideration or we should anticipate

[49:51] hearing more

[49:52] stances from programs that have that's

[49:54] been coming to our College meetings I

[49:57] can say that a number I don't know which

[50:00] ones have and which ones haven't but you

[50:02] know most agencies that were

[50:04] anticipating and put in applications did

[50:07] look and followed closely

[50:09] where the process stood at city council

[50:12] were aware of the resolutions that were

[50:13] passed and there were a number of

[50:14] agencies that reached out and acquired

[50:17] about whether they had been funded or

[50:18] not and we did before those agencies

[50:20] that at this point in time they had not

[50:23] been selected

[50:24] not that it wouldn't be possible in the

[50:26] future but at this point in time that

[50:28] they had not been did not receive funded

[50:32] please I don't say I appreciate the work

[50:34] that uh the claim department has done on

[50:37] behalf of the council part I truly think

[50:39] that this is a narrative that our

[50:40] Council needs to bring forward to the

[50:42] city

[50:43] um I don't think we can rely on the city

[50:46] to do or speak for us because this is

[50:49] literally our responsibility

[50:51] thank you

[50:53] so miss

[50:55] so Mr ombre generally speaking like when

[50:58] we do

[51:00] cdbj and people submit an application

[51:02] and they're not funded is there a

[51:04] process that you test the people who are

[51:06] don't get funding do you normally do

[51:07] that

[51:09] yeah we usually let people know that

[51:12] they haven't funded CVG it's generally

[51:14] not many organizations usually there's

[51:18] and if they see the budget because we

[51:21] have public comment periods we have

[51:22] 30-day public hearings we do all that

[51:24] stuff so generally they're aware and but

[51:27] we do send out letters to

[51:35] any other questions I think that's a

[51:37] discussion that we would have with the

[51:39] mayor's office in terms of having staff

[51:41] send that out we can't tell the staff to

[51:43] do that or not to do that so

[51:49] but those people want to wait until the

[51:50] final application we still have some

[51:53] funding that needs to be allocated and

[51:56] then do the final letter

[51:59] oh

[52:02] foreign

[52:03] that out

[52:07] or do we formally do what what Mr Gray

[52:10] said that we just say you know you

[52:13] having fun at this point

[52:15] so there's just like at least a blanket

[52:16] leather

[52:19] I only know one I know several agents

[52:21] have reached out but I don't know that

[52:23] one that came to the council so far so

[52:25] the council meeting to advocate for uh

[52:28] for their project although that

[52:31] particular organization asks for funding

[52:33] for the project but the building that

[52:35] they wanted to be in wasn't even they

[52:37] won't be able to use the building

[52:38] because the building needs to be able to

[52:39] code so that's something else that would

[52:41] have been another cost

[52:43] so

[52:47] the mirror is that something you've

[52:49] helped into having just a general letter

[52:51] sent out to the projects that weren't

[52:52] funded at this point

[52:55] you knew that

[52:57] and then people will they know the class

[53:00] because that was just the question

[53:01] itself thank you

[53:04] go ahead and she said this is sort of a technical question around for

[53:10] agencies that whether it's cdb TV or

[53:13] this or I mean does your office provide

[53:17] some sort of you know technical

[53:19] assistance in terms of

[53:22] um

[53:23] you know maybe other funding sources

[53:25] that might be open to those um or G you

[53:29] know here's here's something that you

[53:31] might want to tweak or hear something in

[53:33] terms of planning the project that you

[53:36] know might might help you assess access

[53:39] funds from other private sources I'm

[53:42] just curious about that generally we

[53:44] don't we haven't really advocated for

[53:47] private sources you know there's there's

[53:49] sometimes grants that come up that we're

[53:51] aware of that we maybe suggest people

[53:52] look at

[53:54] um but

[53:55] um you know generally in view this kind

[53:58] of outside our scope because it's kind

[53:59] of it can be kind of difficult to speak

[54:00] for other agencies we certainly provide

[54:03] technical assistance for agencies when

[54:05] they apply to us and you don't

[54:07] necessarily fund them yeah and we

[54:09] provide them guidance and maybe how to

[54:12] you know get funding in the future

[54:15] for our funding but and it's an ongoing

[54:19] technical assistance for many agencies

[54:20] about how to manage Federal funding on

[54:23] whole right um it's not easy at any

[54:26] level a lot of times the the paperwork

[54:30] and the burden of it is overly

[54:32] cumbersome for smaller ABCs and it's

[54:34] just that's the unfortunate nature of

[54:36] Beast yeah it's it's Federal money so and we are we're

[54:42] fiscally held accountable for the

[54:44] decisions they make sure so if they make

[54:45] a mistake then we could potentially be

[54:48] in the position where we would have to

[54:50] return the money

[54:51] out of either Grant funds or some sort

[54:53] of General funds to the federal

[54:56] government

[54:57] gotcha so

[54:59] go ahead and then just so I'm clear I

[55:01] wasn't necessarily asked asking or

[55:03] suggesting that we send out a notice to

[55:05] individuals that weren't allocated it

[55:07] was one of us given programs that

[55:08] weren't selected and update on why you

[55:11] weren't selected or ways to improve your

[55:13] status

[55:15] if that's not something we're going to

[55:17] do I wouldn't want to waste

[55:20] uh generally speaking that we don't

[55:23] usually say here's how you can improve

[55:24] your application and you know it's just

[55:30] I mean then let's just just look at it

[55:33] that's like a huge lift yeah for the

[55:35] staff to say okay we've reviewed it this

[55:38] shows that and here's here's where you

[55:39] didn't do well

[55:41] so that's a lot to ask about no I don't

[55:44] I guess if if it is that there's a broad

[55:46] range of of agencies in a broad range of

[55:49] the Professionals in those agencies I

[55:51] guess

[55:52] I basically was taught early on that if

[55:57] somebody did not give me a grant that I

[55:59] should call and say gee are there ways

[56:02] that I can improve my application so I

[56:05] put that out there to the public just

[56:06] that

[56:07] um you know that's just a good thing to

[56:09] do whether it's a public Source or a

[56:11] private Source if you do get rejected

[56:13] for a grant

[56:15] it's it's a good idea to try to follow

[56:17] up just as if we were applying for a job

[56:19] and we get it rejected from the job it

[56:21] might be a good thing to call and say

[56:23] hey is there something on my resume or

[56:25] in my interviewing skills that might

[56:27] need Improvement I'm just I know it's a

[56:29] lot to ask that's a lot easier of an

[56:31] approach than to reach out and take the

[56:33] proactive approach to dissect every

[56:35] application that wasn't funded and try

[56:36] to figure out why it made it happen if

[56:39] somebody reaches out to us and asked us

[56:40] right that's all I'm saying yeah and and

[56:43] you know

[56:44] that's that will be the better approach

[56:46] yeah

[56:50] any other questions

[56:53] thank you so we'll have to talk in two

[56:55] weeks

[56:56] yes please okay thank you the next item

[57:00] is the mayor's recruitment fund just

[57:03] Ferrari

[57:05] Madam Carter Council um we were joined

[57:09] number four number five uh tonight and

[57:11] until we have more details and things we

[57:15] can get through okay okay

[57:17] thank you

[57:28] [Music]

[57:31] we have five items on the agenda the

[57:34] first item is to authorize the mayor to

[57:36] enter into a supplemental group number

[57:38] three with New York State Department of

[57:39] Transportation for not Street uh

[57:42] Roosevelt to Wendell Avenue Paving

[57:45] it says Mr Wallen but I don't see him in

[57:47] the room so

[57:50] tonight

[57:55] good evening so some of the background

[57:58] information the city is connected to be

[57:59] applied for and receive federal funding

[58:01] to replace the existing traffic signal

[58:04] of the notch Street and Rosa Road and

[58:06] Wendell Avenue intersection

[58:08] during the construction phase there was

[58:11] additional work time and materials that

[58:13] were required which in total of the

[58:16] additional costs for construction

[58:18] inspection increased 180 580

[58:22] 95 of the cost is covered by federal and

[58:26] state funding which is 171. 171 551.

[58:32] five percent is the city portion of nine

[58:35] thousand twenty nine dollars and we

[58:38] recommend the city council authorize the

[58:39] mayor to enter into the supplemental

[58:41] agreement number three with the New York

[58:42] State Department of Transportation nysdot

[58:48] foreign

[58:59] thank you very much

[59:02] item number two is just a reminder

[59:05] um

[59:06] for the Amendments and Zoning code

[59:09] regarding banking facilities and private

[59:10] clubs or lodges and the public hearing

[59:13] will be held on January 9th next Monday

[59:17] and item number three is also a reminder

[59:20] of a public hearing for applying the

[59:23] overlay historic district zoning to 308

[59:26] State Street and that public hearing

[59:28] will be heard will be had on January 9th

[59:30] 2023.

[59:32] uh the next item on the agenda is item

[59:35] number four revised parcel for the sale

[59:37] of 1156 Hildebrand Avenue so just to be

[59:40] clear we're just revising this these

[59:42] aren't property sales so we're just as

[59:44] though it does not need to go into

[59:45] executive session

[59:47] Mr Brown

[59:50] foreign

[59:58] thank you good evening the first item is

[1:00:03] to the original resolution number

[1:00:06] 2017-250 to sell 1151 Hildebrand Avenue

[1:00:09] from 18 wayson Street to tikalakima for

[1:00:13] the sum of 12 500 uh there was an update

[1:00:16] to one of the parcel numbers for those

[1:00:20] properties the update uh or the

[1:00:23] immediate the new resolution should

[1:00:25] reflect the SPL number for 1151

[1:00:27] Hildebrand Avenue as

[1:00:32] 49.34-2-18.1 and 18 West industry as

[1:00:35] 49.34-2-8.12

[1:00:41] any questions

[1:00:44] all those in favor

[1:00:46] um item number five

[1:00:49] we buy parcel for the sale of 1151

[1:00:51] Hildebrand Avenue

[1:01:00] the original resolution number

[1:01:03] 2017-261 to sell 1156 Hildebrand Avenue

[1:01:06] to uh govender lockman for the sum of

[1:01:10] twenty thousand dollars uh the updated

[1:01:12] personal numbers should reflect as

[1:01:15] 49.34-2-8.1

[1:01:20] questions

[1:01:22] unseen motion so second all's in favor

[1:01:28] is there anything else

[1:01:34] all those a favor

[1:01:36] um

[1:01:38] have a good evening

Schenectady City Council Committee Meeting, January 3, 2023

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