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[9:31] all right

[9:33] I like to call it supports Schenectady

[9:35] city council committee meeting for

[9:38] Monday June 20 June excuse me Tuesday

[9:41] June 20th 2023.

[9:44] um First Community is finance

[9:48] thank you I would like to call the

[9:50] finance committee to order the course

[9:52] item is authorization to enter

[9:54] agreements cares of New York

[10:01] so

[10:02] prong is going to take this

[10:10] afternoon

[10:12] as a part of the American Rescue plan at

[10:16] HUD has distributed home investment

[10:19] funds to assist individuals and

[10:21] households who are homeless at risk

[10:23] diplomacies and other vulnerable

[10:24] populations through the Schenectady home

[10:27] Consortium the city of Schenectady the

[10:29] city of Troy the town of colony are

[10:31] allocated a 3.8 million dollars in

[10:35] funding

[10:36] we are asking for authorization to enter

[10:38] into agreement with cares of New York

[10:40] for and not not to exceed of 413 938 of

[10:47] Home art funds funding allocated to the

[10:51] Consortium through December 31st 2029 to

[10:54] administer the implementation of the

[10:56] homeowner application

[10:58] questions comments

[11:02] Cena and worship

[11:04] some a second but all if you ever hi

[11:08] thank you thank you thank you the next

[11:11] item is

[11:12] contract follow-up

[11:14] the Ferrari

[11:21] 's out here

[12:01] oh okay great thank you

[12:10] all the funding that we involved

[12:13] what we have here is an application of

[12:15] all the funding that we had so far from

[12:17] our book and including that I have some

[12:20] in color here and at the last page it

[12:23] shows when they would have named the

[12:25] colors greens mean that we are

[12:26] contracted with these agencies

[12:29] colors uh the yellows show that we're

[12:32] about to contract with these agencies

[12:34] and the one in blue are we have receipt

[12:38] they have received specs that we're

[12:39] going out to bid to see where they're

[12:41] where they are I've been in contact with

[12:43] a few of these arpa agencies I had a

[12:46] meeting specifically with the electric

[12:49] uh Electric City Co-Op uh over the

[12:52] weekend to find out where they are where

[12:54] they're going we let them know that you

[12:57] know times of essence they have until

[12:59] September of 2022 to get the funds that

[13:03] they said that they're going to need to

[13:06] allocate 6.7 million dollars to get our

[13:09] one million dollar contract

[13:11] they're

[13:13] a problem that they're having is uh

[13:15] they're looking to purchase of New York

[13:18] which is the school that bought so I

[13:20] kind of put them in a tailspin and now

[13:23] so they're looking at other options

[13:26] uh one of the things that I mentioned is

[13:29] that they had other monies coming from

[13:31] the county whatever and they asked

[13:33] everybody says well you that all has to

[13:34] be in place before we do our contract

[13:37] with you so I let them know that they're

[13:40] working on it and hopefully uh uh

[13:42] they're located in time uh I did have

[13:45] some Communications uh uh at third party

[13:47] Communications with the uh

[13:50] aquatic group and the work that I ever

[13:55] had was that they're looking someplace

[13:57] or rather than uh New York and I think

[13:59] that disqualifies it from our top our

[14:02] program it has not been has not been

[14:05] completed yet uh so you know if they

[14:07] come to Schenectady or they still have

[14:09] to come up with their funding too and

[14:11] that again that is uh by uh October August for them to get their

[14:17] money we gain one year

[14:19] uh we're following up

[14:23] here with the seat see we're very close

[14:26] with the seat for uh uh and the

[14:29] empowerment education for jobs and uh

[14:33] where I'm going on a lot of the

[14:35] decisions projects with approval so

[14:37] we're getting ready to bid for the golf

[14:40] irrigation uh I believe

[14:42] I'm looking at the work at steinman's

[14:45] Park and

[14:47] this is the last one and Jerry Burrell

[14:50] Park was getting ready to start one of

[14:53] the things we're going to have to ask is

[14:54] the big questions when we start getting

[14:56] with our bids back for instance for the

[14:58] uh Miracle on Craig Street Harbor rehab

[15:02] you know what have what do we do if it

[15:05] comes like a million dollars more than

[15:06] we allocated uh you know that's the

[15:08] question that we have to ask do we go

[15:10] for more money how does that happen you

[15:13] know what what are the factors that

[15:14] include that again those are some of the

[15:18] questions that they ask and uh the other

[15:20] question is what would they do if they

[15:22] need more time you know and of course my advice to them was you would have to

[15:27] come to

[15:28] speak to him another uh

[15:32] a problem that was asked was about if

[15:35] they wanted to change their original

[15:41] application I said I didn't think you

[15:44] could change it but again that's really

[15:46] all up to the powers to be so uh if you

[15:51] have any other questions

[15:54] question go ahead so some of these did

[15:56] not have to have any um there were no

[15:59] contingencies attached so

[16:01] um so I'm just kind of wondering why

[16:03] what's like so the Enterprise seat you

[16:05] mentioned is going to be doing very soon

[16:07] they're getting ready to go but like the

[16:10] food delivery box like for 50 000 more

[16:14] so you don't think so right so for

[16:16] instance so one of the things I'm a

[16:18] communication with Proctors for the

[16:20] Proctors for their uh a reopening

[16:23] startup and you know I emailed them say

[16:25] I know I know you're open so you must

[16:27] have completed the work I go maybe you

[16:29] don't need the money now let us know so

[16:31] um you know it's you send emails out

[16:33] they don't come back you know so we're

[16:35] kind of at a standstill of some of these

[16:36] things

[16:37] uh also too some some of these Waller

[16:40] organizations their their people have

[16:42] changed and so you know I gotta try to

[16:46] find like who's in charge of it to

[16:48] actually send them or talk to them to

[16:49] see what we can move this out see ya

[16:53] understand go ahead please you're making

[16:55] the direct contact I'm trying to make

[16:57] the direct contacts and I'm actually

[16:59] bringing them in there you know to be

[17:01] with me so I could see who they are and

[17:02] really go through it you know

[17:05] good so I just want to go back to miss

[17:07] porterfield's question so you haven't

[17:09] did you not get a response from the

[17:10] Green Market about yeah like uh I

[17:14] thought Haley bakar was the head of it

[17:15] but she she's no longer the head of the

[17:18] community so I'm trying to find who

[17:20] who's ahead of it and who's going to

[17:22] move this forward you might see Mary

[17:23] Jane shave I'm not sure which I don't

[17:25] have any information

[17:28] or area I'm not sure I don't know

[17:43] I don't have I don't have a connection

[17:45] with them either so anybody knows I'll

[17:48] send you something please I appreciate

[17:49] it yep

[17:57] it's safe to assume that any projects

[17:59] without any additional numbers or

[18:01] figures represent agencies that haven't

[18:04] had communication with you correct

[18:05] credit on that contracted right

[18:09] and at the very far and right corner is

[18:12] actually what we have spec and then

[18:14] totals at the bottoms

[18:23] hmm

[18:27] yeah so so you gave us some indication

[18:29] verbally of what who's going on contact

[18:31] so um when we see this again in the

[18:33] topics like the tennis Central Park

[18:36] tennis courts there's no activity on

[18:39] that

[18:40] um

[18:44] yeah oh okay yeah the public ones yeah

[18:47] they're kind of mixed in there

[18:49] I just wanted to give you the list but

[18:52] Chris can answer a lot of yourself about

[18:55] the pools the parks

[18:57] there you go Chris thank you

[19:07] so the list that I'm handing out

[19:09] that is the public part of the process

[19:12] that engineering is the lead on I'm

[19:15] working with Anthony on them however

[19:17] they are not

[19:19] talking about

[19:21] so if you look we have was 21 million

[19:24] yeah

[19:26] 21.3 million dollars of article funds

[19:29] committed to public projects

[19:34] parks

[19:35] so this is the status system so if you

[19:37] were to go down Jerry rail Park

[19:39] construction Central Park swimming pool

[19:41] under construction Builders Fairview

[19:43] Park is going to be under construction a

[19:46] diamond field lighting is awarded and

[19:48] going to be under construction the

[19:50] Central Park General improvements those

[19:51] are on hold right now Central City Hall

[19:55] ventilation that we had a design kickoff

[19:57] meeting last month the Central Park

[19:59] Michigan I have tennis court we've met

[20:01] with cha Sports

[20:03] USTA and we have a plan of attack kind

[20:06] of wrote that there we're going to

[20:08] preserve ports one through five and ten

[20:10] to 14. that is being designed and we're

[20:13] hoping to do that as soon as possible

[20:14] through a purchasing agreement Bill

[20:16] holder's part that's the pool that loses

[20:18] uh quite a bit of water we're going to

[20:20] be doing some Mainline drain tests on

[20:22] that this week Riverside Park that's on

[20:25] hold old North Berry Pump Station we

[20:28] have synthesis looking to put together

[20:29] some big specs and plans we got quotes

[20:32] to do the work it's within budget

[20:33] whether it's outside of our purchasing

[20:35] policy so we need to bid that it's

[20:37] diamonds Park that one is on hold right

[20:39] now grout Park we're doing a survey Golf

[20:42] Course irrigation system is out to bid

[20:44] Michigan Ave field phase one retaining

[20:47] wall we awarded that last week and the

[20:49] Empowerment Center we have the roof

[20:51] replaced we have the deck removed we

[20:54] have a design firm pending to come on

[20:56] and do the design and we have a track

[20:59] pending to do the environmental

[21:01] mediation

[21:09] yes any questions

[21:13] go ahead I just want to say good work

[21:15] this is great thank you for the update

[21:17] yeah thank you both for detailing this

[21:20] for us we're kind of guys along where we

[21:23] are thank you Lord thank you any other

[21:25] questions

[21:28] yeah

[21:32] uh just the on hold projects will

[21:35] probably remain on hold until the end of

[21:38] the year just because we have so many

[21:40] that are in design and construction

[21:43] thoughts so

[21:45] we have a little bit of time I put the

[21:48] arpa allocation right here in the middle

[21:50] of that sentence there that we must

[21:52] obligated by the 24th and spent by the

[21:54] 26th so for those projects that are

[21:57] right now overnight in any kind of

[21:58] Jeopardy

[22:00] projects above we only have so much

[22:03] capacity in this sort of offer

[22:04] absolutely all right all right thank you

[22:06] very much thank you thank you

[22:09] any other business of profinance

[22:12] all in favor all right thank you I'd

[22:15] like to call the order of the Public

[22:16] Safety Committee we have one item on the

[22:18] agenda today that is discuss the

[22:20] reducing City speed limit to 25 miles

[22:22] per hour by councilman Patrick thank you

[22:25] Mr Williams

[22:26] um I wanted to put this back on the

[22:28] agenda we talked about it

[22:30] um last September

[22:33] um and I wanted to bring It Forward

[22:34] again certainly we continue to hear the

[22:37] complaints from residents across the

[22:39] city about the speeding issue I've asked

[22:42] mayor McCarthy if he and Mr beanjo give

[22:45] us some some feedback about the speeding

[22:49] about this idea of reducing the speed

[22:52] limit

[22:55] thank you council member thank you Mr

[22:57] chairman uh

[23:03] this is from some of the sensors had a

[23:07] lot of public discussion at Kings Road

[23:11] so uh

[23:14] piled

[23:16] there's six sites there been afraid of

[23:19] all of them

[23:20] people here in the Bible

[23:25] so if you look at these sites along the

[23:28] road it's where the sensors are from

[23:32] that we can pull speed data show

[23:38] which I saw some vehicle counts

[23:41] so one of their terms of the amount of

[23:45] traffic that's going there and this

[23:49] is a number of factors and some of this

[23:53] detailed analysis before we now have it

[23:56] in

[23:57] with the project that Mr Wallen is

[24:00] leading for

[24:01] Bridge replacement

[24:03] largely all these vehicles are going to

[24:06] be diverted off Kings Road when puts

[24:09] intended day for us to shut that down

[24:11] Kings Road breaker won't open the

[24:12] shutter down December first

[24:14] so right about their

[24:17] be some inconvenience for those

[24:21] individuals that use Kings Road now but

[24:23] it's the price should pay for Progress

[24:25] to get the bridge replaced but from this

[24:28] from each one of these sensors uh is

[24:32] compiled the actual speeds that are

[24:37] there and this is the seven day 85th

[24:41] percentile speeds in these locations and

[24:45] these nodes are you connected to know

[24:46] there's 750 of them in the school

[24:49] throughout the city and I'm giving us

[24:52] various data such as

[24:54] speed power and pedestrian value they

[24:58] don't involved do the same it's because

[25:00] of the mirror there

[25:02] set in the position of them some of them

[25:05] wanted to uh able to give us certain

[25:08] things so they've looked at every single

[25:11] one and collect the data

[25:14] from all the items that are possible and

[25:17] can be accurate in terms of information

[25:20] so these are again so these are the

[25:23] seven day average

[25:26] certain type of speeds we're going to

[25:29] walk you through all the speeds and

[25:31] different locations

[25:34] it's a lot of data we're going to go

[25:36] through it quickly because you're

[25:39] to be more than two there's so much

[25:46] again this is the breakdown of the uh

[25:50] actual speeds

[25:52] vehicles and this is a detailed

[25:55] information that we've never really had

[25:58] in the past so some of the deployment of

[26:00] the census that out there allow us to

[26:02] collect better data and to

[26:05] again hopefully do

[26:08] throughout the city and that the kids

[26:11] see that far away so let me just tell

[26:14] you the first thing is going to bring

[26:16] the circle that's the location of where

[26:18] this particular sensor is and that's the

[26:21] data inside so that I don't know so if

[26:25] you look at compliance there one side is

[26:29] the number of vehicles in

[26:32] across the bottom is also depending on

[26:35] the color of the graph or the speed so

[26:37] you have a large number of vehicles that

[26:39] are compliant with the posted speed

[26:42] moving in with what would be an

[26:44] acceptable

[26:46] manner of driving up and down the road

[26:48] I'm going to go through real quickly and

[26:50] serve as much as and then do that to

[26:52] make sure

[27:02] the largest

[27:11] to go to location two so that we were

[27:15] not going down

[27:20] Tuesday

[27:21] Wednesday

[27:39] so location three we're going to now

[27:41] still at the top speed either Tuesday is

[27:44] 25 to 30 miles an hour but mayor and I

[27:47] looked at this and Chris as well and one

[27:49] of the things we looked at um because

[27:51] the lower speeds are are the highest uh

[27:55] numbers it's really hard to see if

[27:58] you're speeding so later on toward the

[28:01] end you're going to see just as few

[28:02] years now okay

[28:25] this information allows us to be

[28:27] proactive to give the police department

[28:30] the information to know when the best

[28:32] time

[28:33] that's time left to go out

[28:35] of course now we're on location five so

[28:38] we're further down now we're looking at

[28:41] a little higher speed because that's a

[28:43] little more street so when my homepage

[28:45] away from the river session

[28:55] this is the last one and this is right

[28:57] over the bridge now you see it at the

[29:00] top speeds during the third time the top

[29:02] speed but the

[29:04] those and their students 30 to 35 miles

[29:08] an hour

[29:16] and Sunday

[29:17] and now we're going to switch to just

[29:20] the vehicle speed over 30 miles an hour

[29:29] to show you this one but back to

[29:30] location one this is Monday

[29:33] you're looking at a speed of 30 to 35

[29:36] miles an hour meaning we know what we're

[29:39] speeding at this time at that location

[29:41] on

[29:48] obviously the numbers were a lot lower

[29:52] there's so so much compliment

[30:03] location two

[30:15] location three

[30:16] by the time

[30:27] so so that you know we're 30 to 35 is

[30:29] out there in most of these they're 30s

[30:31] legal so they could equal in 30. and we

[30:34] don't have a split that much that would

[30:37] be so hard to regret

[30:49] you should

[30:54] sustainable yeah

[31:01] with us

[31:10] we're at location seven on a Monday it's

[31:13] a couple of uh 45 to 50s way down looks

[31:17] like there might be two of them

[31:23] 40 45 so a little higher if you look at

[31:26] 3 P.M on Tuesday it's a much larger

[31:29] number of people that are driving

[31:32] towards the 45

[31:40] and look at this around about four to

[31:42] six pm at the time here

[31:59] so it shows the detailed analysis that

[32:01] can be done it enables better

[32:05] enforcement in what recommendation to

[32:09] try and use we've collected the data now

[32:13] post this section of

[32:16] Kings Road with a 25 mile an hour speed

[32:21] collect the data over again a similar

[32:23] period to see if we get element

[32:25] Appliance and again this

[32:29] is done after there's been a fairly

[32:31] aggressive enforcement component this

[32:35] take this as an experiment hosted five miles

[32:40] to see what the actual shift is and then

[32:45] beginning throughout the city at an

[32:48] appropriate

[32:49] applicable basis

[32:53] data to be able to see if what we're

[32:55] doing is very thin and if it is making a

[32:57] difference

[33:06] so I have a question so this is like a

[33:10] very like limited time frame that you

[33:12] collect with state it has is there a

[33:14] longer time Trend that you've been

[33:15] selecting in

[33:17] right so these nodes were in place

[33:21] for a while yeah yeah so so I was

[33:25] wondering if the data was collected like

[33:27] for months before that or is it just for

[33:29] that week because as the mayor said that

[33:32] um this is based after there's been some

[33:35] like a lot of information about it you

[33:37] know a lot of talk about it's been on

[33:38] the news people have come down so I was

[33:41] wondering if there was something to

[33:42] compare to before all that enforcement

[33:43] happened

[33:46] yeah I mean it's possible to go back and

[33:49] look at that sure

[33:51] well I think that's important to have

[33:53] that comparison

[33:56] okay

[33:57] so I kind of more to your point of

[34:00] President Porterfield that was awesome

[34:02] because I know that there's also was um

[34:03] I'm not exactly sure what you call it

[34:06] there the sign that lets people know oh

[34:08] you know this is the speed this is the

[34:10] speed that you're traveling

[34:13] um I know that that uh that tractor

[34:15] mechanism has been there for some while

[34:17] so I was just well I guess my question

[34:19] is similar to that could we look at some

[34:22] data before that it was put in place

[34:25] and then look at you know the data after

[34:28] that uh specific intervention was

[34:31] implemented to kind of see how effective

[34:33] that is so are we going to go in the

[34:35] right direction now reduction of speed

[34:38] limit or is it just you know enough to

[34:41] have that type of

[34:43] that intervention that's in place well

[34:46] it can be pulled back to whatever period

[34:49] of time you want

[34:51] that we're actually activated done for

[34:54] reference here one week

[34:57] time frame so it gives a I'll call a

[35:01] workable Baseline

[35:03] this level of data is not generally been

[35:07] available so that

[35:10] type of being a little

[35:14] analytic Rock clear and

[35:16] consistent results from it so it's Again

[35:19] part of it is we're learning

[35:22] sensors and

[35:25] information in a better way to

[35:27] use case manage

[35:31] management I guess if I could

[35:34] we certainly can provide that

[35:36] information I'm not sure what we would

[35:37] be looking for in front of it because we

[35:39] are seeing that vehicles are speeding

[35:42] you know especially to everybody rotted

[35:44] in in so I mean

[36:00] [Music]

[36:05] show you

[36:07] that you know

[36:10] [Music]

[36:13] so so yes the question I was asking was

[36:18] more around the specific interventions

[36:20] that are that have been implemented thus

[36:21] far in other words if we now have this

[36:24] mechanism that's letting people know

[36:26] this is the speed limit this is the

[36:28] speed limit that you're driving in like

[36:30] I know that that hasn't been out there

[36:31] yet

[36:34] that's been out there at Kings Road

[36:37] there for some time right so we're

[36:38] coming over the bridge is actually a

[36:41] sign of that same experience before the

[36:44] status yeah right so what I'm saying

[36:46] about so my question and um and

[36:49] hopefully now or kind of along the same

[36:51] train of thought is that

[36:54] this data if we can look at the data pre

[36:57] uh whatever interventions that we've

[36:59] implemented and then post and that would

[37:01] design so the question really isn't

[37:03] about just some clerical question my

[37:06] question isn't really about is speeding

[37:08] because of clearly to the point that

[37:10] there's some speeding happening my

[37:12] question is about the effectiveness of

[37:14] you know what interventions that we're

[37:16] using I'm just saying this seems like a

[37:18] really good tool to be able to do that

[37:19] because we do that yeah you can do this

[37:21] three different periods right

[37:24] two months

[37:26] hearing them I still want to be in the

[37:28] spring

[37:30] period because of the weather and then

[37:32] we can compare that to this to after we

[37:36] change

[37:39] so in order to do that we don't need the

[37:40] data from before because what we're

[37:42] looking to do is look at two different

[37:44] interventions we have this one this is

[37:46] the Baseline if we do the 25 mile an

[37:49] hour one we do a one week period Then

[37:52] pair

[37:53] I mean which intervention works we don't

[37:55] really

[37:57] 4 in order to decide which intervention to do

[38:01] see if there's any difference so you

[38:03] could see if there's a statistically

[38:05] different significant difference between

[38:07] the two interventions in order to decide

[38:10] you don't need the data before that in

[38:12] order to make that decision

[38:15] could I just um for clarification do you

[38:18] mean when you say the two different

[38:19] interventions so one would be the neon

[38:22] sign that is

[38:23] enforcement versus the reduced speed

[38:26] right so sort of again put up right what

[38:31] I'm saying is that we could look at the

[38:33] specific interventions so in order to

[38:35] look at the effectiveness of a specific

[38:37] intervention we need to get data um

[38:39] pre-intervention and post intervention

[38:40] so whether that's

[38:42] well actually you do if you're if you

[38:46] have a tool and you're implementing a

[38:48] tool

[38:49] and then you look at the data what has

[38:52] this tool house this changed Behavior

[38:54] well if this tool is saying now that

[38:56] people are speeding you implemented this

[38:58] intervention now we are looking at

[39:00] reduction in speed and we can say okay

[39:02] well there's something to be said about

[39:04] the effectiveness of set intervention if

[39:06] we don't look at the data before we

[39:08] implemented the tool but we don't have a good Baseline to be able to narrow

[39:13] down where what intervention in

[39:15] particularly was effective and which was

[39:18] actually you do it's called an anova or

[39:21] a t-test you can compare two columns to

[39:24] see if there's a statistically

[39:26] significant difference in order to see

[39:28] which intervention is the better of the

[39:31] two you don't really need that other

[39:33] data

[39:37] so um as I said to me I really want to

[39:40] see the data prior to any interventions

[39:43] before we um so we have that to to see

[39:47] if how the intervention works the

[39:49] clothes clearly through the speeding

[39:51] problem it's been brought to Our

[39:52] intention this is after the police thing

[39:55] was put up there or the neighbor started

[39:57] complaining and I understand that there

[39:59] was some business by the police so I

[40:00] would like to at least see and as you

[40:02] said um when the spring began Mr fuccio

[40:05] what the speeding was like I'd like to

[40:07] see that be able to see that data as

[40:09] well

[40:13] even those questions or concerns

[40:16] I had a question specifically definitely

[40:18] I appreciate the word that's been done

[40:20] so far and for any individuals watching

[40:22] from the Kings Road neighborhood I'm

[40:24] glad that these steps are being

[40:26] considered at their present time but

[40:29] with respect to other areas of the city

[40:30] haven't been any discussions as the

[40:32] additional neighborhoods that we can

[40:34] consider also because I would hate the

[40:35] center presidents of in order to get

[40:37] your area in the community identified to

[40:39] be coming to City Hall so I'd like to

[40:41] show a collective approach as to here

[40:44] are other areas where we're going to be

[40:45] identifying to have similar

[40:51] can we have information that's being

[40:53] collected throughout the city gen

[40:55] reference and

[40:57] it's a number this will also

[41:01] create some

[41:03] unique performances because

[41:06] we've had the generally

[41:09] an open Period get some enforcement and

[41:12] then when the bridge closes this is all

[41:14] going to drop to very low numbers so

[41:17] it'll cover all the bases

[41:20] yes this thought was a good

[41:24] section of Road uh traffic concert

[41:27] fairly High there again more as a

[41:30] demonstration projects were

[41:33] close to speed

[41:35] anytime you change vehicle uh

[41:39] criteria like that it's usually creative

[41:42] soft enforcement so you have to educate

[41:44] people

[41:46] addition and

[41:48] to getting close to the higher speed we

[41:51] drop it down do some measurements and

[41:54] see if in fact

[41:56] we're getting the results that we want

[42:00] what are the best ways to

[42:04] get in compliance with additional

[42:07] signage is it some modification where we

[42:11] put up the red lights for the flashings

[42:12] and some different options there better

[42:15] delineation of the streets or on the

[42:19] street surface but

[42:21] appropriate Lanes

[42:23] some instances

[42:27] turning or swinging wide we're looking

[42:30] to looking where we are going to rebuild

[42:33] the section of Brandywine from the state

[42:37] going to 890 and that is a very high

[42:39] incidence

[42:44] Auto pedestrian so that after that and

[42:47] that's taken a long time to actually put

[42:50] together

[42:50] we're going to see some positive numbers

[42:53] coming up

[42:54] coming out so this also stopped short of

[42:57] putting up

[42:58] uh stop signs so let's see if we can get

[43:01] it if we put up stop signs

[43:04] generally what will occur is the

[43:08] of auto accidents is going to increase

[43:12] people who are used to stop selling this

[43:15] feeding you're going through their teeth

[43:17] really getting cars that are going to

[43:18] run into each other and

[43:23] environmental things to keep the

[43:25] vehicles moving and is the best

[43:29] efficient way to handle it it's again to

[43:32] get the drivers to be compliant with one

[43:36] speed is

[43:37] and so that they're not creating hazards

[43:40] for themselves pedestrians or irritation

[43:42] to the neighbors

[43:44] Jason the two Kings Road

[43:49] um definitely with a respect to a lot of

[43:52] individuals who've been affected by this

[43:53] for a long period of time I know we've

[43:55] talked about it a lot we're definitely

[43:56] talking about action and implementing

[43:58] something is a very important

[43:59] differentiation we have to make so for

[44:01] clarification are we looking at lowering

[44:04] the speed limit throughout the

[44:05] individual locations that had higher

[44:08] speeding or are we looking to limit or

[44:10] lower the speed limit to all of these

[44:13] locations one through seven

[44:18] [Music]

[44:29] identifying some additional areas you

[44:31] said you would be able to comply with

[44:33] listing

[44:35] sure

[44:41] just a question so nothing happens this

[44:44] evening Jack comes back in two weeks

[44:46] with data that really isn't important so

[44:48] it's another two

[44:50] I'm sorry can you repeat that you said

[44:52] that data that was not really important

[44:54] right the data that shows maybe from

[44:58] March to

[45:01] April and this is in May data that is

[45:06] not a baseline this is our Baseline for

[45:08] what what's happened what's happening

[45:10] now so

[45:12] all we want to do or all that should be

[45:15] done is implement the 25 mile an hour

[45:17] speed limit to see what the new data is

[45:20] to see if that's making a difference I

[45:22] mean it's kind of just simple

[45:26] so I think um

[45:29] two things can be true and I think that

[45:30] you're you're might be an investing

[45:34] responsible my inquiry was what I was

[45:36] saying to what I was saying is that this

[45:39] tool seems to be a way to measure the

[45:40] effectiveness of any given intervention

[45:43] in order to know whether intervention is

[45:46] effective or not

[45:48] so in order to know that if the

[45:50] intervention is effective or not you

[45:52] have to have data previous to the

[45:54] intervention then then post the

[45:57] intervention then we could say oh this

[45:59] works so my question was in my statement

[46:04] was this looks like a good tool in order

[46:06] to do that for a very specific

[46:08] intervention so that's how we can tell

[46:09] the effectiveness is something you can't

[46:11] measure the effectiveness of something

[46:13] if you don't know what the state of it

[46:15] previous the intervention and then post

[46:18] information that's the only performance

[46:20] making so that's why that information

[46:22] will be valuable to me

[46:24] and what we had talked about the last

[46:26] time we talked about it is like

[46:28] identifying areas throughout the city

[46:30] not just a specific one which is what Mr

[46:33] Blue Joe has just asked for so that when

[46:36] we implement this those roads that as I

[46:38] said you said there's some roads that we

[46:40] could not reduce it okay

[46:44] there's 750 of these numbers

[46:47] you know we all have the ability like

[46:50] Keith Rose does not have a lot of cyber

[46:54] traffic ready coming out of them they

[46:56] have a couple of key points that they

[46:57] found basically their lower mind so the

[47:00] traffic on the main as the opportunity

[47:03] traffic signals there or anything so

[47:06] they have the ability to flow

[47:08] effectively so that's one of the reasons

[47:11] why we're looking at this street

[47:13] for a hook type because it made sense

[47:15] because of the numbers we had it

[47:18] available to count the traffic I guess I

[47:21] thought we were looking at it is if we

[47:24] test this body reducing the speed limit

[47:26] to 25 miles an hour and it does make a

[47:29] difference then it makes sense to expand

[47:32] it in other areas but if we Institute

[47:35] this 25 or around an hour at least

[47:38] in the average speeds that we're moving

[47:41] at then I'm not sure in my mind that makes sense to change it because

[47:46] it's not really the difference

[47:49] okay

[47:51] I understand what you think because I

[47:53] know that wasn't our initial discussion

[47:54] several months ago it was talking about

[47:56] looking throughout the city is what our

[47:59] initial discussion was about agree with

[48:01] you I don't know if Christian will talk

[48:03] about that what was the sort of study

[48:07] that was required that was something

[48:10] that

[48:12] and

[48:24] thank you so the cdtc the dot and

[48:28] several municipalities uh got together

[48:30] to do studies on these the biggest I

[48:34] would say outcome of that was that the

[48:37] D.O.T from their perspective they said

[48:39] that they will allow local

[48:41] municipalities to do this on local roads

[48:46] however they will need a detailed study

[48:48] for anything that is not considered a

[48:50] local Road and what that opened up for

[48:53] us would be the idea that we would need

[48:56] a detailed study to change the speed

[48:59] limit to 25 on groups such as State

[49:01] Street Union Street Erie Boulevard

[49:03] Albany Street those roads that are

[49:05] classified as something other than the

[49:07] local and the challenge that that makes

[49:10] is that then you have a network of main

[49:14] roads where the speed limit is 30 and

[49:16] then dozens upon dozens of local roads

[49:20] off of that where the speed limit is

[49:21] different meaning that we need to sign

[49:23] every one of those roads

[49:25] so that you know that you're entering a

[49:27] road that is a different speed than the

[49:28] one we're just on New York City is

[49:31] experimenting with a sign when you come

[49:34] in that says speed limit 25 unless

[49:38] otherwise noted so then we would put

[49:41] signs only on the main routes that might

[49:43] save us however I don't know how

[49:45] enforceable that would be if challenged

[49:47] on a road that you know we would have a

[49:50] dozen signs entering the city and if you

[49:53] so I mean that's one of the reasons that

[49:55] I haven't been actively pushing this

[49:58] topic is because it's a large topic

[50:01] even Kings Road it's Cloud station Kings

[50:04] Road is not a vocal Rover

[50:08] so we would need to talk to the dot

[50:10] about that

[50:12] um

[50:13] yeah I mean there are the towns that

[50:15] have done this so far are small I think

[50:17] it's East Greenbush are both working on

[50:20] these

[50:21] considerably smaller than Schenectady I

[50:23] don't know of any cities that have gone

[50:25] through with a full city-wide change yet

[50:27] but I'm sure there in the works that's

[50:28] why I was working with the cdtc to see

[50:30] what we could do to follow

[50:33] sometimes it's just as good to follow

[50:37] theme song I know for me personally I

[50:39] would hate for it to be interpreted by

[50:42] and watching this that the only way to

[50:44] get your street or neighborhood in the

[50:46] community adhere to is by getting an

[50:49] article in The Gazette and I know that's

[50:51] not what we're supported but definitely

[50:54] there is a concerted effort from our

[50:57] Avid growing white community

[51:02] topic to be a survey

[51:05] significant way and so I definitely

[51:07] think having those surveys in Step which

[51:09] show the community that we are

[51:11] identifying this but also you raise a

[51:13] really good point about unfortunately so

[51:15] also looking at what is our multi-tiered

[51:17] approach as a city with respect to

[51:19] addressing cities with it with respect

[51:21] to addressing speed and I think it is

[51:23] now appropriate to then talk about what

[51:25] tool we currently do have which is speed

[51:27] homes so are there any interest or is

[51:29] there additional funding to put more of

[51:31] those deploy some of those resources if

[51:34] we were able to speak to that right now

[51:36] yeah I guess my opinion which is

[51:39] probably not is popular because to be

[51:41] more of the engineering opinion is that

[51:44] the things that we are doing today are

[51:47] what we should be doing uh the data that

[51:50] initial presented you know the post the

[51:52] pre-data and then we could do Post data

[51:55] same order with Dwayne Avenue and rugby

[51:57] which we're going to be doing

[51:59] we're getting data we're seeing the

[52:01] effects and then we're going to look at

[52:02] the effects as it didn't work and if it

[52:04] works it's a problem so what you're

[52:06] saying is that you're going to put the

[52:07] information before intervention and then

[52:10] after the invention to measure the

[52:11] effect of this intervention right okay

[52:13] but this is this is

[52:15] if I made a drop but this is this is the

[52:18] free data and then we'll lower the speed

[52:20] limit here as a demonstration project

[52:22] for this one road

[52:24] um and then we'll have that data as our

[52:27] post data right right but I think the

[52:29] difference was that there hasn't been a

[52:31] police uh an enforcement uis there

[52:34] hasn't been a concerted effort to notify

[52:36] the community with regards to this so

[52:38] interesting

[52:39] so I think it's different with regards

[52:41] to this uh what tomorrow doing in

[52:44] speeding

[52:45] yeah I guess the speed humps

[52:48] you're trying not to bias the jury

[52:52] you know so we we put the cameras up and

[52:55] they're in incognito mode before so they

[52:57] don't flash because the flashing is

[52:59] actually the term you don't want to

[53:01] deter you want to see what is actually

[53:02] happening similarly now that we have the

[53:05] speed humps on the core work with their

[53:07] back and they're also in incognito mode

[53:09] because we don't want to

[53:10] be both now in the end of the day both

[53:13] is probably the most effective but we're

[53:16] trying to find out how effective were

[53:17] these right so we're going to try to see

[53:21] how effective they are and we're moving

[53:22] them to another area you know so we're

[53:24] going to have one in Hamilton Hill then

[53:25] we're going to move on to the high

[53:27] school area north side of the city and

[53:28] see what we have and be able to say you

[53:30] know what these work you know

[53:31] surprisingly we have gotten any

[53:33] complaints

[53:36] but that was one of the you know the

[53:38] many factors is we put these speed

[53:40] tables directly in front of residential

[53:43] homes and I have not heard from the

[53:46] residents the resident one resident we

[53:47] talked to welcomed it oh yeah

[53:49] um and so but it is a you know it was a

[53:52] noise

[53:52] um that they didn't make so that was

[53:54] right off the bat okay no complaints

[53:56] okay now we move on to the next are they

[53:58] working how far do we want to put them

[54:00] apart are people speeding up is it you

[54:02] know haven't haven't gotten complaints

[54:04] about that

[54:05] about people going over them and then

[54:07] racing to the next one you know so

[54:10] hopefully that's a good sign hopefully

[54:12] people are adhering to it we're also

[54:14] doing them in this period which were

[54:16] picked this window because we're going

[54:18] to have it during school not school and

[54:20] then the other one is going to be no

[54:22] school during school so we can try to

[54:24] get a more fair evaluation of what

[54:26] really happened but

[54:29] I think it's difficult to just it's a

[54:32] significant investment and to just go

[54:34] and make it based off of you know a

[54:39] complaint that's it's a difficult puts

[54:41] me in a difficult position it puts John

[54:42] in a difficult position for us to do

[54:44] these things it's the exact same thing

[54:45] that happens with stop signs you know

[54:47] and that's what happened

[54:48] today you know what if we got a stop

[54:49] sign here that would solve all of our

[54:51] problems with the stop signs or not

[54:53] supposed to be traffic control devices

[54:55] we're not supposed to solve problems

[54:56] both will be there for a reason so

[55:01] I'm gonna try to go in and to your point

[55:02] they're not here right now but

[55:03] enforcement

[55:05] it's huge it's a huge part of it and I

[55:07] do think that the police are taking it

[55:09] seriously they have a grant to buy more

[55:11] radar enforcement signs which we've been

[55:12] working on uh the trailer they were

[55:15] moving it around wherever John and I are

[55:17] the mayor put it into

[55:18] to try to help in certain areas so

[55:21] I think that also helps

[55:25] the question especially well I just I

[55:26] just want to try to summarize but I

[55:29] think that this demonstration project

[55:32] will be some useful information and I'm

[55:34] thrilled that we're doing it

[55:37] has been

[55:38] an ongoing discussion we're certainly

[55:40] all hearing it throughout the city we're

[55:43] all here I'm sure all of us are hearing

[55:45] from residents that speeding is you know

[55:47] one of the top concerns that's out there

[55:50] right now I think we're seeing it also

[55:52] probably individually as we drive around

[55:54] so I appreciate everything that you guys

[55:58] are doing

[55:59] already to try to work on this and I'm

[56:03] looking forward to getting

[56:04] seeing what happens after we he puts the

[56:07] 25 mile per hour

[56:09] in place on the demo

[56:12] so just because so do we need any input

[56:14] from dot at all to um I'm going to

[56:17] retirement if this is the anchors we

[56:19] want to look to make this the 25 miles

[56:21] per hour test and I will reach out to

[56:23] them

[56:27] for any other questions or comments

[56:29] regarding this topic about Miss Patrick

[56:33] will be here bring it back in two weeks

[56:34] yes sir thank you so much

[56:38] there are no other items that can fall

[56:39] before Public Safety can I please accept

[56:41] emotions return

[56:43] all those in favor

[56:46] I'd like to call it or decision

[56:48] development planning we have five items

[56:51] on the agenda first one is Ramon to

[56:54] authorize the mayor to enter into

[56:55] supplemental agreement number three with

[56:57] the New York State Department of

[56:58] Transportation for the placement Kings

[57:00] Road Bridge so speak of the devil

[57:04] Kings Road Bridge uh you awarded

[57:08] the actual contract to win the

[57:10] construction uh two cycles ago once we

[57:13] had that we sent the contract and the

[57:16] documents to the dot they authorize and

[57:19] come back with a supplemental agreement

[57:21] the supplemental agreement in front of

[57:22] you is for the 95 reimbursement for the

[57:26] cost of the great replacement

[57:28] are there any questions

[57:32] so second I was in favor hi item number

[57:36] two award-winning contract for the half

[57:37] in place asphalt recycling

[57:40] um this is a holding we used to do hot

[57:44] and place recycling

[57:46] um as everyone knows it was a process

[57:47] with large train with lots of fire

[57:51] rejuvenator rolling it was a actually

[57:54] very useful process however it was not

[57:58] applied at every application in the

[58:00] right right spot right time so what

[58:03] would happen is that it's an overlay it

[58:06] is not a mill we usually I'd say 95

[58:08] percent of our Paving program is a Mill

[58:11] and paper because we have curves we have

[58:13] drainage structures we have driveways we

[58:16] really can't add a pavement so when we

[58:19] do a hot in place we add three quarter

[58:23] of an inch of a polymer pavement over

[58:25] the rejuvenated service

[58:27] um we found historically it does last

[58:29] the product does work it saves US money

[58:32] however in certain areas when we've done

[58:34] it you create puddles and driveways

[58:36] because we're now affecting the drainage

[58:38] and so we took a pause on it for a while

[58:41] and this year we have a couple of

[58:43] candidates up in Bellevue that we are

[58:46] looking to try it again because we think

[58:49] that those candidate streets are

[58:50] worthwhile this is an award-winning

[58:52] contract but it's actually a piggyback

[58:55] the county uses this process and we are

[58:59] allowed to piggyback off of County bids

[59:01] so this would be that's what we've done

[59:03] in the past as we we pull what we would

[59:05] like from the counties good to use it

[59:06] ourselves this is the only group that

[59:09] actually does this so it's almost like a

[59:11] sole source but it's not and we are

[59:13] going to you know walk survey the area

[59:17] and we are going to try this in areas

[59:19] where we think it is acceptable I'll

[59:21] give you just an example to talk too

[59:22] much on an area where I don't believe it

[59:25] should have been done was like at Union

[59:26] Avenue by Union College if you

[59:29] drive it you will notice that paid over the curbs and there is a

[59:34] giant rough now between union Avenue and

[59:37] the green space

[59:39] because we just we just put a little too

[59:41] much pavement on that road we really

[59:43] needed to bring the paper down

[59:45] curb line established instead we kind of

[59:47] overflow of the curved line and now the

[59:50] Green Space has become a makeshift

[59:52] gutter line which isn't how that drill

[59:54] is supposed to be so that is an instance

[59:57] where you really just don't want to go

[59:58] and hold the later road because it's a

[1:00:01] nice new product

[1:00:05] and so so I'm hearing that my first

[1:00:10] intention is like that's amazing that we

[1:00:12] like I have identified that now

[1:00:15] your experience how is that continually

[1:00:17] captured moving forward

[1:00:19] like that truth that

[1:00:21] of what we should have done well you

[1:00:24] could always do it by you know the

[1:00:25] artists in the end but now you know we

[1:00:27] have a consultant and we tell them these

[1:00:28] are the tools that we would like to have

[1:00:30] in our toolbox and look for candidate streets so

[1:00:34] typically downtown if we're doing a

[1:00:37] downtown area the other thing is to tell

[1:00:38] you the train is enormous they call it a

[1:00:41] train it is enormous it cannot do city

[1:00:43] streets it needs to kind of just fade

[1:00:46] away and make a nice big radius it's a

[1:00:48] camel nice turn Fairview those are nice

[1:00:50] streams to have you know that kind of a

[1:00:52] process you know you couldn't put it in

[1:00:54] a downtown Because by the time the first

[1:00:57] truck is making the turn the last truck

[1:00:59] they're Jane and so it's really meant

[1:01:01] for uh you know more rural roads but we

[1:01:04] did find that it was a good product and

[1:01:07] I'm not saying you'll see me here next

[1:01:08] year with it it's kind of like if a road

[1:01:10] is applicable for it we use it if not if

[1:01:12] not and since we can piggyback it really

[1:01:15] doesn't add a lot of work to our

[1:01:16] workbook we're just selecting things

[1:01:22] um

[1:01:23] you mentioned Bellevue as possible sites

[1:01:25] I was just wondering can you identified

[1:01:27] where you think you're going to be yeah

[1:01:28] I think Campbell's the main one that

[1:01:30] we're going to try it on and try to do

[1:01:31] as much as Campbell as we can because

[1:01:33] that seems to work out pretty well for

[1:01:35] that and then I think a piece of

[1:01:36] Fairview I don't have the list I should

[1:01:38] have brought it but those are the areas

[1:01:39] we like it's just kind of and you know

[1:01:41] the paving program we're trying to do

[1:01:42] things in concentration so we're not

[1:01:44] going back to one area and you know

[1:01:46] hitting people every year so that's

[1:01:48] where that's where we're looking to do

[1:01:50] but I can send the list to you tomorrow

[1:01:51] morning

[1:01:54] sure yeah

[1:02:00] any questions

[1:02:02] right there yes

[1:02:08] thank you

[1:02:11] any questions

[1:02:15] thank you

[1:02:18] I'm number three the filing of zoning

[1:02:20] administrative decisions

[1:02:23] um Mr Marney

[1:02:25] yet unfortunately I had to run out of

[1:02:27] the Planning Commission meeting so I

[1:02:30] will come with us

[1:02:33] um so one of the requirements

[1:02:38] um that happens out of the zoning office

[1:02:40] is or part of the job is to for the

[1:02:43] zoning officer to issue zoning

[1:02:45] compliance determinations or

[1:02:46] administrative zoning decisions somebody

[1:02:50] will request something very specific the

[1:02:52] zoning officer reviews uh the requests

[1:02:54] and then comes up with the determination

[1:02:56] as it stands right now those

[1:02:58] determination letters are filed in that

[1:03:01] office

[1:03:02] a better practice and it would have to

[1:03:05] be authorized by city councils for those

[1:03:07] decision letters those administrative

[1:03:10] zoning decisions to be filed with

[1:03:13] um the the record officer for the city

[1:03:16] which is the city clerk so that is

[1:03:19] because it is an administrative decision

[1:03:21] so it would be accessible to the public

[1:03:23] and it would create a process for

[1:03:27] essentially a time limit for somebody

[1:03:29] who would like to challenge a

[1:03:31] determination by the zoning officer to

[1:03:34] do it within a certain amount of time

[1:03:35] once it's filed with the city clerk

[1:03:39] as I said many of these decision letters

[1:03:44] right now are not well none of them are

[1:03:45] following the city clerk and this would

[1:03:47] create a formal office for the receipt

[1:03:49] of those the term those determinations

[1:03:52] um because there is a deadline for

[1:03:56] people to challenge a decision of the

[1:03:59] zoning officer by filing it with the

[1:04:02] city clerk every single time it would

[1:04:04] create essentially uh the stopwatch so

[1:04:08] to speak for a person to challenge the

[1:04:10] determination because those

[1:04:12] discriminations would be challenged you

[1:04:15] know through uh could be the BCA and

[1:04:18] eventually become an article 78 some

[1:04:20] people challenging care too so this

[1:04:23] creates a formal process so we're

[1:04:25] looking for authorization for the city

[1:04:27] council to

[1:04:29] require the zoning officer to file those

[1:04:33] administrative zoning decisions with the

[1:04:35] city clerk and also direct the zoning

[1:04:39] officer to also file those

[1:04:42] administrative zoning decisions not from

[1:04:44] a legal standpoint but just a practical

[1:04:46] standpoint in whatever computer system

[1:04:49] the city is using but currently it's

[1:04:52] Unicity but who knows in you know 20

[1:04:55] years it could be a different program

[1:04:56] that the city sees it

[1:04:58] so that's what we're looking for is just

[1:05:01] a way to clean up the process that's

[1:05:03] currently in place by creating one

[1:05:05] designated person legally to for which

[1:05:08] the zoning officer would file those

[1:05:11] decisions

[1:05:12] so do you know about how many decisions

[1:05:14] we're talking about I'm just I'm just

[1:05:16] trying to get my head around how much

[1:05:17] additional work this is going to create

[1:05:20] um I don't know the exact number that

[1:05:22] come in

[1:05:24] um certainly you know we're not talking

[1:05:25] about one a day or anything along those

[1:05:27] lines they come up periodically uh many

[1:05:31] times it's somebody who's looking to buy

[1:05:33] a property and they want to know hey can

[1:05:36] I use the property for this under the

[1:05:38] zoning code

[1:05:39] um the informal request and then a

[1:05:42] formal letter from the zoning officer

[1:05:44] that letter would then be filed so it

[1:05:47] doesn't you know it comes up every so

[1:05:49] often a lot of times it will be like

[1:05:51] maybe in an R1 District where there's a

[1:05:55] two-family house can I still use it as a

[1:05:57] two-family house or in a commercial

[1:05:58] District can I use it as you know this

[1:06:01] commercial space as a restaurant so it

[1:06:04] would be a decision letter like that and

[1:06:06] the process for the city clerk will just

[1:06:08] be to receive

[1:06:10] um it is a filing like the city clerk

[1:06:12] would receive a determination of the BCA

[1:06:17] Williams was this determination made

[1:06:19] with the city clerk's office the city

[1:06:22] clerk um no the city clerk is aware of

[1:06:26] it um you know we did talk about it at

[1:06:28] the legislative conference

[1:06:30] it does create as I said you know

[1:06:35] it is more work than cities for the city

[1:06:37] clerk's office there's no doubt about it

[1:06:39] um you know I can't tell you how much

[1:06:41] more time it will take for the city

[1:06:43] clerk to you know receive and then you

[1:06:46] know file and presumably put into laser

[1:06:49] fish it would be the zoning officer who

[1:06:51] would put it in the computer system the

[1:06:54] separate computer system that you know

[1:06:56] the Departments have access to but it

[1:06:59] really is you know a necessary piece for

[1:07:04] the city to create a formal body to

[1:07:07] clerk to receive these decisions

[1:07:12] any other questions

[1:07:20] all right

[1:07:25] um

[1:07:26] item number four is the sale of a

[1:07:28] property of 2180 Desmond Avenue make a

[1:07:31] lot and item number five is a special

[1:07:32] 1040 Wonder Avenue and both of those

[1:07:35] will be an executive session so at this

[1:07:37] point in time I'd like to ask for a

[1:07:39] motion to reset

[1:07:43] okay I'd like to call our claims

[1:07:46] committee to order we have three items

[1:07:49] on the agenda all of which need to be

[1:07:51] addressed in indicative sessions so I

[1:07:53] would like to call for a motion to go

[1:07:56] into executive session

[1:07:58] so all in favor

[1:08:01] aye okay thank you

[1:08:32] [Music]

Schenectady City Council Committee Meeting, June 20, 2023

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