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[12:34] urban renewal agency first item on the

[12:37] agendas the acceptance committed from

[12:39] the February 6 2023 meeting moved by Mr

[12:43] palamini second second Mr motivator in

[12:45] all in favor signify by saying I any

[12:48] opposed

[12:49] next items resolution

[12:52] 2023-03 the acceptance of the investment

[12:55] report for 2022 with Mr palomini Mr

[12:59] motiv Baron all in favor any opposed

[13:03] resolution is adapted

[13:05] next item resolution

[13:09] 2023-04 the acceptance of our

[13:11] procurement report for 2022 moved by Mr

[13:14] palomini second by Mr motiviran all in

[13:17] favor any opposed

[13:20] Solutions carry next site in

[13:24] 2023-05 acceptance of the measurement

[13:27] report for 2022 moved by Mr palomini

[13:32] secondly Mr motiviran all in favor any

[13:35] opposed next item resolutions

[13:39] 2023-06 the acceptance of the annual

[13:42] report for 2022 boomed by Mr palomini

[13:46] seconded by Porterfield all in favor

[13:49] any opposed resolutions carried next

[13:54] item the authorizations enter into an

[13:56] option agreement with the city of

[13:58] Schenectady in land utility

[14:00] reutilization Corporation the capital

[14:02] region and we referred to as the land

[14:05] bank for multiple Parcels on Summit

[14:07] Avenue Westover Avenue Hamilton Street

[14:10] and Mumford Street by Mr palomini second

[14:13] line supporterfield all in favor any

[14:16] opposed resolutions carried next item

[14:20] resolution

[14:21] 2023-08 authorization to release certain

[14:24] covenants and restrictions imposed upon

[14:27] parcel stemming from the prior interim

[14:30] foreclosure process

[14:35] all in favor

[14:38] any opposed items that's carried any

[14:42] other business come before the agency

[14:44] entertain a motion to adjourn move us to

[14:47] palomini Second Language

[14:50] Solutions carried all

[14:53] businesses done thank you sorry it took

[14:55] so long

[14:57] it's also all the Schenectady city

[14:59] council committee meeting for Tuesday

[15:01] September 5th 2023. we'll begin with the

[15:04] presentation by the Schenectady Police

[15:06] Department you know initiative Mr Mayor

[15:09] and thank you for modifying your

[15:11] schedule uh have Parts been working on

[15:16] for a period of time coming out of

[15:19] form items creating transparency and

[15:24] going to go live it is live it is live

[15:28] the council president justification

[15:31] reported on the agenda that they've been

[15:33] wasting at times or pulled it back from

[15:35] the public so this will be the actual

[15:38] site and turn it over to Chief Clifford

[15:45] thank you mayor

[15:47] come out of the map I want to just I

[15:50] want to introduce Matt Douglas he's our

[15:52] director of

[15:54] crime intelligence and he's been doing

[15:56] this is his baby he's been doing all the

[15:57] work on this before we turn it over to

[15:59] him I wanted to just point out that if

[16:01] everybody remembers this document here

[16:04] that we all did a couple years ago

[16:07] recommendation number 26 was our

[16:09] commitment to transparency the

[16:11] Schenectady police department will

[16:12] commit to fully integrating police calls

[16:15] reported crime and enforcement activity

[16:17] within a customized designed application

[16:19] that will be shared on the department

[16:21] website this commitment to a

[16:23] public-facing application will reinforce

[16:25] the Department's commitment to

[16:27] transparency to the community

[16:29] when you further go on to the actual

[16:32] document itself environmental systems

[16:35] Research Institute which is the active

[16:38] or which is what esri is the senior

[16:40] scanty envisions building out its use of

[16:42] the world's leading geospatial software

[16:44] esri by publishing to the public a uh by

[16:50] publishing to a public to data share

[16:58] this platform will greatly Aid in

[17:01] transparency by displaying

[17:03] years of city and police data including

[17:06] real time

[17:08] all and easy to search website that also

[17:11] has easy to navigate dashboards or

[17:14] commonly requested queries

[17:16] so this was done a couple years ago I'm

[17:18] not sure why there are so many typos in

[17:20] there but we do have a demonstration

[17:22] here for you of our now

[17:25] active public spacing dashboard I'll

[17:28] turn it over to director Douglas to go

[17:31] through a short PowerPoint telling you

[17:33] how we got here and then we'll give you

[17:34] a demonstration

[17:39] test test close enough

[17:44] all right thank you as the chief

[17:47] mentioned this is a project that we've

[17:48] been working on for quite some time now

[17:51] that we actually got everything together

[17:52] we're looking forward to showcasing you

[17:55] some of the things that we've been able

[17:56] to put together regarding really

[17:58] enhancing uh transparency with the

[18:01] police department and with the community

[18:03] all right so a couple little slides to

[18:05] go over here real quick but transparency

[18:07] itself really what it is is sharing

[18:08] information and data and making it

[18:11] easily accessible to the public all

[18:13] right there are a couple reports that

[18:14] went out one in particular recently of

[18:16] 2022 that showed that 42 percent of

[18:19] Americans find that there is a gap in

[18:21] transparency with policing in the

[18:23] community which really impacts the

[18:25] perception that the community has with

[18:27] law enforcement with the Technologies

[18:29] and software that we now have in the

[18:31] city of Schenectady we've been able to

[18:33] create different ways to kind of

[18:34] generate a platform to further enhance

[18:36] that transparency which is about what

[18:38] I'm going to show you a couple of our

[18:40] slides here

[18:41] um now Schenectady the city itself is

[18:43] very data driven we use data for so many

[18:46] different things it's a smart City

[18:47] initiative again very data based sound

[18:50] for the Schenectady Police Department

[18:52] which is more my wheelhouse we create

[18:54] actual products on a weekly basis

[18:57] um whether it be a crime pattern or

[18:59] Trend or seeking to identify a criminal

[19:02] suspect um a variety of products that we

[19:04] put on a weekly basis and that's

[19:06] tactical analysis and then you got the

[19:08] Strategic analysis analysis which is

[19:10] like the long-term initiatives and

[19:12] Analysis analysis that goes into it and

[19:15] that falls under our evidence-based

[19:16] approaches which are strategically

[19:18] placed uh initiative so to be a good

[19:20] doctor that have been nationally

[19:21] recognized such as hot spot policing

[19:23] ddacs data driven approaches to crime

[19:25] and traffic safety uh crime prevention

[19:28] through environmental design right so as

[19:31] we start to get all this information

[19:33] we're trying to figure out different

[19:34] platforms that we can share what we're

[19:36] doing and how we deploy our resources to

[19:39] the community

[19:40] all right now today we're primarily

[19:43] going to talk about the dashboard but

[19:45] just as a brief example of something

[19:47] that we recently were able to create was

[19:49] a link that really showcased uh

[19:52] showcased the success that we had with

[19:54] our Schenectady Hub platform which was

[19:57] done by Lieutenant Brian mascheron and

[20:00] Sergeant Nick Mannix and different

[20:02] support from molecular officials and

[20:03] Command Staff we able to generate this

[20:06] with the Azure Technologies to really

[20:08] showcase again the successes that we've

[20:10] been having in a very professional

[20:12] format and platform that can go for

[20:14] different statistics and contacts on a

[20:17] different way to visually share what's

[20:19] been done and then the community to now

[20:21] access this type of information

[20:23] all right now if we switch gears and go

[20:27] more towards the agenda we will go to

[20:29] the current slide

[20:33] all right now we're talking about crime

[20:34] statistics how can we share crime

[20:37] reported crime to the community and have

[20:39] them easily access that information

[20:42] um sure enough we do create internally

[20:44] uh weekly crime statistical reports but

[20:47] with the technologies that we now have

[20:49] we were looking to create interface uh

[20:52] something that the community could

[20:53] interact with and look up certain

[20:55] information that they are interested in

[20:57] regarding our crime and that's what's

[21:00] going to bring us now to the

[21:01] public-facing crime dashboard that we're

[21:04] able to implement and put together uh

[21:07] use utilizing the esri Technologies

[21:10] all right so as this loads um what

[21:13] you'll end up seeing here is that it

[21:15] brings up a map of the city of

[21:17] Schenectady and then it brings up a

[21:18] variety of tables and charts all of

[21:21] which have the interactivity and

[21:24] configuring that the end user can choose

[21:27] what to look at so right now what I'm

[21:29] doing is I'm looking at select a date

[21:31] range now keeping in mind what we have

[21:34] put together is 28 days of recorded

[21:36] criminal activity this would be a

[21:38] dashboard that will be updated on a

[21:40] weekly basis currently this is looking

[21:42] at July 31st to October or I'm sorry to

[21:45] uh August 27th of this year so if we

[21:48] wanted to look at just let's say July

[21:50] 31st we'll go for a full week and we'll

[21:54] go to August 6th you'll start to see

[21:57] that the charts and configurations will

[21:59] change based on the new parameters that

[22:01] the person was looking for you can also

[22:03] zoom in and zoom out of the map and you

[22:07] can say okay this is great information

[22:09] but let's say I'm owning interested in a

[22:12] different activity that occurred in the

[22:14] downtown area and Hamilton Hill so as

[22:17] you change those filterings the charts

[22:19] and tables will also reflect the changes

[22:21] that that person is looking for

[22:23] um very similar if you're only

[22:25] interested in all right let me look at

[22:27] all uh neighborhoods within the city of

[22:29] Schenectady there's another drop down

[22:31] that showcases the reported Prime types

[22:33] and currently we have them all selected

[22:36] if we're only interested in say motor

[22:37] vehicle thefts and burglaries you're

[22:40] only going to see that based on the

[22:42] filters that you put in place so again

[22:45] very interactive I can show you quite a

[22:48] bit of information and then the other

[22:49] cool interesting tool is if you select

[22:53] all neighborhoods and all crimes

[22:55] you can also zoom into the city

[23:01] and as you zoom in it's going to

[23:03] Showcase what you're looking at on the

[23:05] charts and tables and then in addition

[23:07] if maybe someone's moving in or they

[23:09] want to know what's going on in a

[23:10] particular area there's a drop down menu

[23:12] where you can literally click

[23:15] lasso select out the crimes that's my

[23:19] circle guys and it'll basically show you

[23:21] how many of those crimes you selected

[23:23] and give you Italian like top left of

[23:25] the chart on the bottom of the dashboard

[23:27] there is information on schenectady's

[23:30] police tip line on different information

[23:32] of the community can provide to the

[23:34] police department and then also below

[23:37] that there's a disclaimer on the

[23:39] accuracy of the data um

[23:41] City attorney can take a further look at

[23:43] that but basically the bypass we

[23:45] validated the data that's coming through

[23:46] a trusted Source it's our internal data

[23:48] but we've taken the correct measures to

[23:50] make sure that it's validated

[23:53] so that is the dashboard how it works

[23:57] how it's set up again a lot of

[23:59] interaction uh that you can have with

[24:01] this particular dashboard

[24:04] definitely go back if you have questions

[24:06] I just got a couple quick slides to wrap

[24:08] this up

[24:10] all right so this took quite some time

[24:13] to really get up and running and as we

[24:16] started we had different visions and

[24:18] different goals so as we started to

[24:20] accomplish One Vision and meet that

[24:22] expectation such as the public-facing

[24:24] dashboard now we're coming up with a

[24:26] variety of other missions so we have

[24:28] more goals to achieve while using this

[24:30] different type of Technology this slide

[24:33] is more or less a thank you for the

[24:34] community the elected officials council

[24:37] members yourself and support throughout

[24:39] this transition

[24:41] and then we also ended off looking at

[24:45] different action items to further

[24:47] promote and enhance the things that

[24:49] we're now capable of producing utilizing

[24:52] these very similar Technologies

[24:54] um so that pretty much wraps it up and

[24:57] we open it up for questions

[25:00] and I can easily navigate back to that

[25:03] dashboard if there's anything of

[25:05] interest there as well

[25:07] I know Steve was there something that

[25:09] you know that's closely rolled up called

[25:11] Patrol finder I didn't notice anything

[25:13] on here that interacts with that or that

[25:15] mentioned at all is that's part of it is

[25:17] that working where are we back so Patrol

[25:19] finders is my understanding more

[25:21] internal uh for a lot of different

[25:23] operations with Patrol

[25:25] um the dashboard that you're showing now

[25:27] that we're kind of showing is really

[25:29] more for public-facing use

[25:31] okay because my understanding part of

[25:33] the patrol finder was that for the

[25:34] Department to be able to find out where

[25:36] the control cars were okay

[25:39] that is the case for the public at some

[25:42] point we're not saying we're ready to do

[25:44] that yet but once we implement it at

[25:46] some point this the public it could

[25:49] become part of this dashboard for the

[25:51] public to be able to see when the last

[25:52] time a police car drove by their house

[25:54] so so but we're not there yet we're

[25:57] still we're still working out the

[25:59] Kingston Patrol finder and

[26:02] fully employment okay thank you

[26:07] yes is this on the website the city

[26:10] website now great question so yes and I

[26:12] will be able to attend the lawsuit we

[26:14] can provide a little bit more

[26:15] information on how that is embedded into

[26:17] the website and launched

[26:22] Lieutenant McLaughlin from the police

[26:23] department I uh

[26:25] she had a little bit of a hand in this

[26:26] about

[26:27] 10 minutes before the meeting we

[26:29] published the link and ensured that

[26:31] everything worked appropriately so it is

[26:33] in fact live on the city's website as of

[26:35] about 5 30 this evening so you can

[26:38] actually navigate to this the data we

[26:40] did in the last minute validation make

[26:42] sure that the links work appropriately

[26:43] and that it was publicly accessible in

[26:45] ADA compliance so it is in fact live uh

[26:48] the tutorial is also live on how to

[26:49] navigate it so there are directions in

[26:51] case it isn't clear to the end user

[26:53] immediately so with a graphical link to

[26:55] try to explain to you the different

[26:57] parts of the dashboard itself so it is

[26:59] there and to your previous point we can

[27:02] start incorporating other layers as they

[27:04] become available to us that's the

[27:06] advantage of esri is that we can

[27:07] continue to incorporate layers and

[27:09] evolve and add that for both the public

[27:12] and everybody else

[27:13] okay thank you

[27:15] um so number one I want to say this is really a good stuff that we have

[27:19] and I'm thinking about

[27:20] um you know I just I want to know first

[27:22] of all that it's something new that's

[27:23] rolling out so I'm sure that there will

[27:25] be things that you know she tweaked

[27:28] along the way which are you know I think

[27:29] the public should know that I guess my

[27:30] question is

[27:32] um kind of similar uh are we like

[27:34] how does this work in partnership with

[27:38] um you know do you see a way that this

[27:40] will translate someone like the the new

[27:42] body cams things like that that have

[27:44] also been uh

[27:46] are you as a tool that's going to be

[27:48] used for more transparency and Community

[27:51] engagement how do you see the tool kind

[27:52] of working together and also is there a

[27:55] place for a community so the problem

[27:57] with somebody in the community and I go

[27:59] on and there's some information that uh

[28:01] might be specific to what I'm looking

[28:03] for but isn't available as one of the

[28:06] drop down boxes is there an opportunity

[28:07] for me to kind of or correspond and say

[28:09] hey I was looking for this and then

[28:11] what's our capacity to kind of be

[28:13] responsive to that

[28:16] so uh historically speaking for us as an

[28:19] agency that we use the foil process a

[28:21] ton which to some may seem like a

[28:25] barrier to entry so we wanted to try to

[28:27] reduce that barrier and work on reducing

[28:29] all of them so uh we are going to still

[28:31] be responsive we are monitoring I

[28:33] actually oversee all of the Department's

[28:35] foils now that come into the police

[28:36] department so we kind of take a gauge of

[28:38] what people are asking for to try to be

[28:40] able to find a way to provide that as

[28:42] you know efficiently as possible and to

[28:45] try to be as transparent so yes I think

[28:46] as we see not only that but the feedback

[28:49] that comes generally through the records

[28:51] department which I also oversee those

[28:54] are the things that we use as like a

[28:56] feedback and kind of a sounding board

[28:57] but as we hear it we are working towards

[28:59] that the advantage of esri is the depth

[29:01] of the platform allows for us to even do

[29:04] surveying which is some another

[29:05] initiative we're currently working on

[29:06] just not ready to publish right now but

[29:08] to be able to survey the public uh it's mainly a March decree to create a

[29:12] database in a public-facing portal that

[29:15] has everything and it's not just limited

[29:17] to the police department it's not just

[29:18] limited to just crime data so yes I

[29:21] think as we get there and we can do you

[29:23] know figuring out what's going to be the

[29:24] easiest way to display that we're also

[29:26] trying to use other communities

[29:27] throughout the country it's kind of like

[29:29] the the backboard of what works and what

[29:32] hasn't worked so that we're not wasting

[29:34] resources time or money and developing

[29:36] something that is unsuccessful but at

[29:38] the same time still trying to innovate

[29:39] so yes I think to your point we are

[29:41] going to 100 see the evolution but as

[29:45] those things come in if more than one

[29:47] person who's requested it is something

[29:48] that's on our radar and there are

[29:50] probably a good eight or nine projects

[29:51] currently in the hospital

[29:53] I do see us adding more to this this is

[29:55] just what is 100 ready for today we vet

[29:58] it and we know is

[29:59] to the point where we feel comfortable

[30:01] in saying that this product is is ready

[30:03] for the public to be able to answer the

[30:04] questions that we feel otherwise would

[30:06] have been months or weeks in the making

[30:08] which would normally be the full

[30:09] turnaround time which could be

[30:11] now they can get in about two to three

[30:13] minutes I've said before that we want

[30:16] the community to become active in public

[30:18] safety and driving that to the website

[30:20] and getting them involved and looking at

[30:22] crimes in their neighborhoods help

[30:24] helping us police the community let the

[30:27] community be a part of it so that's

[30:28] really what we're hoping to do is to

[30:30] drive members of our community to our

[30:31] website we'll get information get the

[30:34] ability to look things up and of course

[30:35] we're going to take feedback on making

[30:37] that the community wants to

[30:40] want to uh sorry to plan some questions

[30:43] but first and foremost thank you for for

[30:45] being here and providing us this

[30:47] presentation

[30:48] of roughly how long is information

[30:49] stored and are residents able to export

[30:55] so in the way of the current dashboard

[30:57] right now uh we have 28 days worth of I

[31:01] would say vetted quality data that we're

[31:03] able to display in this type of format

[31:05] from a foil perspective obviously we

[31:08] maintain data beyond that back when we

[31:12] probably were not as diligent in always

[31:14] ensuring that reporting was done

[31:16] correctly you know I walk into the

[31:18] police department unfortunately

[31:19] sometimes would be labeled as 531

[31:21] Liberty Street when in fact maybe a

[31:23] crime didn't occur there so as a result

[31:24] of that we've had to put new measures in

[31:26] to make sure that it's easily

[31:28] displayable and it makes sense and it

[31:29] corresponds to a neighborhood as opposed

[31:31] to the police station over and over

[31:32] again so right now older data is

[31:34] available from foil still but moving

[31:37] forward the option would be to continue

[31:39] to add to the database and be able to

[31:41] expand it as we see as we go along as

[31:44] for uh you know to the other point of

[31:46] exporting the data like any other

[31:49] website you can take the data that's

[31:50] there it's been cleaned it is sieges

[31:52] compliant it's enough you know Anonymous

[31:55] enough that it would be very challenging

[31:57] for somebody to really figure it out

[31:58] unless they were an active participant

[32:00] in that particular crime because it's

[32:01] not specific to a set address just a

[32:03] block if you will so they could export

[32:06] what they see on the screen by doing

[32:07] screen capturing but in the way of data

[32:10] security it meets or exceeds FBI and

[32:13] State's damage

[32:14] go check things one more question I know

[32:17] with becoming more transparent everyone

[32:18] assumes that people digest information

[32:20] the same which is not always the case

[32:22] for an individual that's looking at more

[32:25] information than less is there someone

[32:26] available to discuss some aspects of

[32:29] what they're seeing

[32:30] so we we do we have obviously our public

[32:33] information officer program does do

[32:35] community outreach but also speaks on a

[32:37] regular basis to people that have

[32:38] inquiries and normally what happens is

[32:40] if a records inquiry comes in where

[32:42] somebody's asking a specific question

[32:44] that can be at that point we triage and

[32:47] then send it to the appropriate person

[32:48] in the police department so the tips

[32:50] line also acts that way if a person

[32:52] calls in with something that's not

[32:53] necessarily a law enforcement tip for

[32:55] more or less a inquiry we may route that

[32:57] to either a Pio the community police

[32:59] officer that's assigned to that zone

[33:01] um and you know and then maybe have that

[33:03] person go and speak to them directly if

[33:04] they don't want to talk to somebody on

[33:06] the phone whether it's for help

[33:08] navigating this or for other things that

[33:09] we can Aid them with but if if it seems

[33:12] to be a common occurrence then we'll

[33:14] work on clarifying a dashboard or

[33:15] creating another document just to try to

[33:18] make sure that we get over that barrier

[33:19] hurdle as well thank you I'll add one

[33:21] more thing to that that um every fall

[33:24] spring and fall but Falls approaching I

[33:26] try to make my way out to all the

[33:28] neighborhood association meetings so

[33:30] this fall all I'm scheduling to go out

[33:32] to them so pay attention if the public

[33:34] pay attention to when the next one is

[33:36] when I go there I want to talk about

[33:37] technology and policing so this would be

[33:40] one of the things that we talk about and

[33:41] be a good opportunity to ask questions

[33:43] at that point

[33:45] and in terms of so um in terms of the

[33:48] crimes we're hearing a lot about car

[33:50] accidents and speeding it's it's huge so

[33:52] is that capturing that so people could

[33:54] look within their neighborhood those

[33:56] kinds of things happening

[33:58] So currently this dashboard is

[34:00] specifically a part one problem

[34:06] eight top serious crimes but crashes

[34:10] absolutely is actually one of those

[34:12] things that we actually had on our

[34:13] mission action items is because the data

[34:16] is there and we can actually create

[34:17] another layer or a separate dashboards

[34:20] simple looking at crashes so that

[34:22] capability does exist this was just kind

[34:24] of like the initial launch to kind of

[34:26] showcase the platform itself of what it

[34:29] can do and now it's really opening up

[34:30] before the case to figure out what is it

[34:32] that the community bonds like officials

[34:36] okay thank you

[34:40] um Chief will this help in terms of the

[34:42] police response time

[34:45] addressing Primes

[34:47] will just help it anyway

[34:49] this this specifically well that that

[34:51] would be more of a patrol finder thing

[34:53] but this is more of a reporting

[34:54] dashboard than anything

[34:56] no answer your question no display

[34:58] cannot be used to identify hot spots and

[35:01] then Target those areas

[35:03] well this is this is more of we'll

[35:06] explain to the terms of historical event

[35:07] the actual

[35:09] initial response wouldn't have an effect

[35:15] any other questions

[35:17] yeah and there's a lot of information

[35:19] here when you look at it again Matt's

[35:22] put a lot of time and effort in it

[35:24] it's just starting so it's a dynamic

[35:27] process you know there's some things on

[35:28] there at least say oh well this is great

[35:31] well anyway look at it nobody's going to

[35:33] look at that one subset of data to maybe

[35:35] something else that they want to see

[35:36] every day and so it's how do we modify

[35:39] that to again to put the information out

[35:42] there that people want that makes sense

[35:44] and there's an unusual usable format and

[35:47] then is to layer it with other things

[35:49] whether it's code enforcement whether

[35:51] it's dog licenses street closures some

[35:55] of the things that we're doing with

[35:56] c-click fix so it's really a dynamic

[35:58] process that's going to grow over time

[36:02] okay

[36:03] thank you thank you thank you very much

[36:14] yes

[36:16] thank you I would like to call the

[36:18] finance committee to Carter and of

[36:20] course item is purchase of the new fire

[36:24] truck Chief Marino

[36:37] good afternoon everyone

[36:40] thank God it's cool

[36:43] all right so this evening uh coming to

[36:47] you to ask for you to allow us to accept

[36:51] somebody from the state

[36:53] we reached out to the state several

[36:56] months ago we had an idea of purchasing

[36:59] a spear apparatus to replace two

[37:02] apparatus that are 20 I think 23 years

[37:04] old America La France they are no longer

[37:07] being produced we can't get parts for

[37:10] them very difficult

[37:12] so our goal was to purchase one new

[37:14] apparatus

[37:16] take the two Miracle of France make a

[37:19] decent one out of that and that would

[37:21] still be a spare rig and the other rig

[37:25] that was comparable but not worthy for

[37:28] the street we would bring up to our

[37:30] training Tower which is just we're just

[37:33] completing reconstruction there so that

[37:37] apparatus will be able to remain there

[37:39] when our crews go up there to train they

[37:42] don't have to take equipment off of

[37:44] their

[37:45] Frontline apparatus and if A call came

[37:47] in they would be able to respond in the

[37:49] time they land so we reached out to some

[37:53] women in Santa Barbara and some of them

[37:54] instead and they were able to help us in

[37:59] post

[38:00] um post budget funding

[38:03] so some of them in Santa Barbara is has

[38:06] secured 675

[38:09] 000 and some women stacked 125 000 for a

[38:14] total of 800 000.

[38:16] um there's no Financial liability to the

[38:19] city

[38:20] we filling out the paperwork if you can

[38:23] see okay we'll move forward we won't see

[38:26] the money until probably July of 2024.

[38:31] questions

[38:36] all in favor hi thank you thank you well the next item is

[38:42] requested proposal for 2023 Harley

[38:44] Davidson

[38:51] good evening

[38:53] I requesting uh to accept the request

[38:56] for proposal we had from Brunswick

[38:58] Harley-Davidson in 2002 I believe it was

[39:01] PCC bird came in and requested that we

[39:05] accept a grant from Jack and now we

[39:09] would like to use those funds to

[39:11] purchase a Harley-Davidson put out the

[39:14] RFP and we only had one bid the bid with

[39:16] the amount of 29 851.75

[39:21] and our grant funding that we had given

[39:23] to us

[39:25] was 24 390. so we propose to use to pay

[39:31] for the remaining

[39:32] 5461.75 through our operating budget we

[39:35] are not requesting any further funds

[39:38] questions

[39:39] Cummins sing good so I I asked that the

[39:43] meeting but I want to ask for the group

[39:45] um because I don't see many motorcycle

[39:46] cops around and so we're buying a new

[39:49] motorcycle so we're going well how we're

[39:50] going to be using that yeah so we are

[39:52] more shakes we have now are bought in

[39:54] 1998 in

[39:56] um so 1999 for receiving 1998 so they

[39:59] haven't been very operational we have

[40:01] let the parades connected the sprays

[40:03] every year the holiday parade they've

[40:06] been at several community events um

[40:08] showing that the children the different

[40:10] bikes and with this one we would put a

[40:12] computer on it and it would use a

[40:14] traffic enforcement as well okay thank

[40:16] you

[40:31] the next item is your 2022 Consolidated

[40:34] annual performance and evaluation

[40:35] reports Mr ferrariable

[40:42] information okay so those of you who

[40:45] have an Alexandria Carver she is in our

[40:47] development department natural community Development supervisor so

[40:53] welcome everybody thank you thank you

[40:54] welcome aboard thank you good evening I

[40:57] am asking for approval for our request

[41:01] on the 2022 Consolidated annual

[41:04] performance evaluation report

[41:07] um the

[41:08] 202-23 Consolidated annual performance

[41:10] evaluation report addresses the

[41:12] implementations of three goals that we

[41:14] established in our Consolidated plan for

[41:16] 2020 through

[41:18] 2012 which were to enhance housing

[41:21] opportunities expand economic Workforce

[41:23] Development and strengthen local

[41:25] neighborhoods our cebg funds CD funds

[41:29] were used for rental subsidies including

[41:31] rental cars for those at risk

[41:33] homelessness security deposit and rents

[41:35] for those moving out of homelessness and

[41:37] that was how we move forward in

[41:39] enhancing housing opportunities our CD

[41:42] cdbgcb funding which is for soil

[41:45] business grants for businesses impacted

[41:47] by coping 19 free business training and

[41:49] workshops were held to enhance the

[41:51] skills of business owners and

[41:52] strengthening local neighborhoods to

[41:54] streetscapes beautification project

[41:55] Planet nearly 100 trees throughout the

[41:58] nrsa and urban neighborhoods of

[42:00] Schenectady local youth were taught

[42:02] about various tree types soils and how

[42:04] trees impacted the environment and the

[42:06] city they live in the Jerry Burrell Park

[42:08] was also restored this year new

[42:10] playground equipment basketball courts

[42:12] trees will directly impact 10 000

[42:15] residents that live near the park safe

[42:17] house ain't the only China City also had

[42:20] a front walkway and retained wall

[42:21] completed with the use of the cdbg funds

[42:24] so we are our presentation of the report

[42:27] and announcement we have an additional

[42:29] call for public hearing so that we can

[42:31] get public comments on our Cape 2000 on

[42:34] 22 2023 cases report thank you

[42:39] yeah

[42:40] for a public area of this item yes

[42:48] thank you

[42:55] September 25th yeah

[43:01] okay any questions

[43:05] to call for public hearing September

[43:08] 25th for this item second all in favor

[43:11] all right thank you

[43:14] the next item is the 2024 budget so I'm

[43:17] important for public hearing here

[43:24] hello

[43:27] this is just a call for a public hearing

[43:30] before it proposed budget

[43:33] uh we're requesting its recommended that

[43:36] the council uh

[43:43] for October 10 20 21st

[43:51] [Music]

[43:53] thank you

[43:55] the next item is the supplemental Bond

[43:57] ordinance for large Ferry Street Pump

[43:59] Station

[44:01] so I believe Anthony Ferraris and a

[44:04] bunch of information to council

[44:05] president Harry Porter in regards to

[44:08] this we're increasing the foreign

[44:25] so it's respectfully recommended that

[44:27] city council approve of this

[44:29] supplemental bottle is an amount of 25

[44:31] million 275

[44:33] 000 for this project

[44:35] right just to give some clarity

[44:37] in terms of I did have some questions

[44:39] because this would have been our third

[44:41] supplemental Bond ordinance so I just

[44:43] want to make sure that we had enough

[44:44] money in place and we weren't seeing

[44:45] this again and the reason actually for

[44:47] the entry so Mr Ferrari sent that

[44:50] information that's why I think we moved

[44:52] it forward to be on the agenda before it

[44:54] didn't get there so now they're bringing

[44:56] it back because all the information is

[44:57] here

[44:59] thank you any other questions

[45:02] all in favor all right thank you any

[45:06] other business for finance

[45:08] all in favor

[45:10] aye thank you

[45:12] development and planning we have eight

[45:14] items on the agenda the first item is

[45:17] authorization of an easy mix and

[45:18] national grid for the installation of an

[45:20] overhead electrical service in Central

[45:22] Park for the new pools and splash pads

[45:24] as well

[45:36] a larger three-phase service we have

[45:38] three-phase power at

[45:40] facility in Greenhouse uh this is an

[45:43] easement to bring uh to a new line with

[45:46] two new polls two approximity on Ashmore

[45:48] Avenue where we'll then meet up and be

[45:50] able to power a new uh pool complex

[45:54] any questions

[45:59] thank you

[46:02] the next time uh I'll begin this

[46:04] discussion Zoning for cannabis

[46:06] dispensary and smoke and vape shops bait

[46:08] shop

[46:09] so we've been talking about a lot about

[46:11] vape shops smoke shops and also about

[46:12] the cannabis dispensary when we opted in

[46:15] we didn't have zoning in place that

[46:17] covered this so we've been talking to

[46:18] the Law Department here they've invited

[46:20] everyone to actually come and have a

[46:21] discussion so that we can talk about

[46:23] throughout the city where we'd like to

[46:24] see these or or not like to see those so

[46:27] at this point in time it's really

[46:29] discussion around where we've um how the

[46:32] council what the council would like to

[46:33] see Mr colon you can experience found

[46:35] that a little bit more

[46:37] um wanted to just kind of discuss what

[46:39] you'd like to see from the council in

[46:40] order to move this forward sure

[46:43] first I just want to thank the constant

[46:45] people who've stopped by to discuss

[46:47] zoning in I think a grander scale and

[46:51] also specific to these particular issues

[46:54] facing the city

[46:56] um

[46:57] and I've been in contact with the

[47:00] development department to talk about you

[47:02] know best practices obviously and

[47:03] certain constant people have let it be

[47:05] known to me

[47:06] um their thoughts on you know what

[47:09] districts to allow it or whether or not

[47:13] the best route is an overlay

[47:16] um you know I think

[47:18] it's really on the council to determine

[47:20] what is in the best interest of the City

[47:22] by and also rely on the expertise of the

[47:25] development department and the other

[47:26] applicable departments

[47:29] you know I there are other

[47:31] municipalities still grappling with this

[47:33] issue

[47:34] um you know Rochester has already

[47:36] codified how they're approaching

[47:39] um cannabis dispensaries and obviously

[47:42] something that we've talked about is

[47:43] that smoke shops and vape shops for the

[47:46] purposes of zoning have to be treated

[47:47] similarly similarly to cannabis

[47:50] dispensaries that came from New York

[47:52] State's regulations

[47:54] and as it currently exists we don't have

[47:57] anything when our zoning code was

[47:59] established there was nothing that

[48:02] foresaw this change in the Law related

[48:05] to cannabis dispensaries and smoke shops

[48:08] and vape shops becoming more common

[48:12] um

[48:13] currently as you're all aware there's

[48:16] this cannabis dispensary that's open on

[48:18] Upper Union

[48:19] certainly we're at a point now where it

[48:23] would be very difficult for the city to

[48:24] do anything to stop that one

[48:26] establishment however

[48:28] you know the council decided that you

[48:31] know the Upper Union Corridor where that

[48:34] current dispensary is is not somewhere

[48:36] where you want to see other dispensaries

[48:38] and you zone for that that would be a

[48:42] pre-existing non-conforming business and

[48:44] they could still operate

[48:46] so you know I continue to encourage the

[48:50] council people to come in and talk to us

[48:52] talk to the development department

[48:53] particularly Christine premiano who

[48:56] knows zoning very well

[48:59] um you know obviously

[49:01] there are aspects to this that are more

[49:05] complicated

[49:06] um you know not just where are you going

[49:08] to allow it but then what restrictions

[49:10] are you going to place on the businesses

[49:12] is it going to be as of right or you

[49:15] know in a particular District they could

[49:16] operate as of right or are you going to

[49:18] require these types of businesses to get

[49:20] for example special use Improvement so

[49:24] um you know I I would prefer obviously

[49:27] that you know the council to

[49:29] come forward or counsel people to come

[49:31] forward with a proposal

[49:34] certainly the Law Department can draft

[49:36] something but we don't you know to be

[49:39] honest we don't want it to be coming

[49:41] from us we want it to be the council's

[49:44] decision and changing the code and

[49:46] obviously this is going to be something

[49:48] that is probably not going to pass right

[49:50] away without quite a bit of discussion

[49:52] to um you know figure out where the

[49:55] consensus is in terms of where it's

[49:57] going to be and then what restrictions

[49:59] um you know the council will place on

[50:02] the establishment of those types of

[50:04] businesses

[50:06] happy to answer any questions you know

[50:08] either here or if anybody you know has a

[50:10] question later on you know you know how

[50:12] to reach out to me I'll try to make

[50:13] myself as available as necessary if you

[50:17] want to come in to you know talk to me

[50:19] or talk to Mr Marnie talk to Ms primiano

[50:22] we want to make ourselves available so

[50:25] that you know we can have something in

[50:27] our code sooner rather than later

[50:38] I think making it clear uh

[50:41] differentiation to anyone listening or

[50:43] also in the room regardless of where we

[50:45] put uh zoning that doesn't restrict its

[50:48] usage throughout our city

[50:50] generally that's correct yeah

[50:53] um you know for example if you go to The

[50:54] Dispensary on Upper Union you certainly

[50:57] you can make a purchase there and then

[50:59] you know go through downtown and you

[51:01] know have whatever you purchase and and

[51:03] smoke it right or anywhere else in the

[51:06] city for that matter well we have a

[51:08] restrictions in the park right right

[51:11] um you know so long as this is not

[51:13] prohibited in certain places

[51:15] um and obviously we've you know the

[51:16] council has taken action to restrict it

[51:19] in in Central Park

[51:21] right and and all the other parts for

[51:24] that matter right

[51:25] um but certainly you know barring any

[51:28] other statute

[51:30] um you can you know use it in another

[51:33] place

[51:34] um so it I know that I appreciate the

[51:37] question because I know some people

[51:39] think that it will create a limitation

[51:42] on where it can be used limitations

[51:44] already exist

[51:46] um but where it's not limited it would

[51:48] therefore be permitted to be used

[51:53] as far as yeah I would just uh invite my

[51:55] council members to consider um the

[51:57] spirit in which this legislation was

[51:59] drafted with the state

[52:00] um I think it's Unique in the way that

[52:02] there is a you know uh social uh justice

[52:06] component to this that um people who um

[52:09] for marginalized communities who have

[52:11] been disproportionately impacted by

[52:13] prohibition laws

[52:14] um there's right written right in the um

[52:17] in the legislation that you see from the

[52:19] state

[52:20] um that uh you know there is an effort

[52:23] to correct a historical wrong there so I

[52:25] think that um as we consider zoning

[52:29] um and we're you know prohibited uses

[52:31] things like that that we just are

[52:33] mindful of we're looking through that

[52:34] same lens of the spirit of the

[52:36] legislation from the state

[52:41] do you know right now where they are

[52:43] there was a there was a stay on that a

[52:45] hold on that because there was a lawsuit

[52:47] so do you know where that lawsuit is

[52:49] right now I think it currently is at a

[52:52] place where uh there's an injunction

[52:54] preventing uh the safe from issuing

[52:57] licenses right now

[52:59] um I have no idea what the timetable is

[53:01] for you know that lawsuit

[53:05] so I I and I'm not aware of any other

[53:08] entities seeking to do business in the

[53:10] city of Schenectady that do have in hand

[53:13] a license other than the one that's

[53:15] currently open

[53:17] um

[53:18] so you know

[53:21] whether or not you know that lawsuit is

[53:24] dragged out or

[53:26] um or ends tomorrow uh obviously you

[53:29] know as you all know and I'm sure you

[53:31] know people at home know

[53:32] um the zoning is going to have to

[53:34] obviously be put in place we'd like it

[53:36] to happen sooner rather than later but

[53:38] you know we wanted to be relatively

[53:40] comprehensive to address the concerns

[53:42] that you all have and people of

[53:44] Schenectady have

[53:46] so in terms of timeline I mean how how

[53:48] soon would you like all council members

[53:50] to come and have discussions for us to

[53:51] bring things to you so that we can have

[53:53] this done in somewhat of a timely manner

[53:56] obviously you know I think that's really

[53:58] a question for the council

[54:00] um you know the sooner you come to us to

[54:02] discuss it and kind of you know figure

[54:05] out you know where your fellow council

[54:07] members stand on it and you know propose

[54:10] something to the council you know

[54:11] something tangible and to discuss and you know negotiate over the better

[54:17] off I think will all be

[54:19] um you know I couldn't tell you that you

[54:21] know

[54:22] next week is it you know a deadline I I

[54:24] can't create that this is really a

[54:26] question for the council in terms of you

[54:29] know and I've only spoken to some of you

[54:30] about this where you stand on this and

[54:32] you know um what you see both in terms

[54:35] of locations where you're going to you

[54:38] know where you believe we should allow

[54:40] it and then what restrictions we should

[54:42] put in place and I say restrictions I

[54:44] mean that not to say you can't do

[54:46] something but what types of permissions

[54:48] is the city going to Grant whether it's

[54:50] a special use permit certainly so I

[54:52] think that site plan approval if you're

[54:53] going to open a new business

[54:55] that's going to be a question for the

[54:57] council but why you know I've been

[55:01] saying it for a little while now you

[55:02] know I encourage you to reach out to me

[55:04] and you know share your thoughts I know

[55:05] some of you have and I appreciate that

[55:07] um you know the way I would view it is

[55:10] start with the geographic areas in the

[55:12] city where you think you know you're

[55:14] okay with having those types of

[55:16] businesses and then once you've

[55:18] identified that

[55:20] start thinking about the restrictions or

[55:24] the requirements they're going to in

[55:25] place put in place for the sense of

[55:27] businesses to operate

[55:30] and there's already existing

[55:33] restrictions in certain I mean for

[55:35] example I keep hearing 11 000 puts in

[55:38] terms of like not within a thousand

[55:41] people to school I think I mean those

[55:43] must be state regulations that we'd also

[55:45] have to but I will give you a call I

[55:47] wasn't aware that um

[55:49] doing that so that so we reach out to

[55:52] you try to come in and have a one-on-one

[55:53] but there are existing restrictions

[55:57] right the state has put in place certain

[55:59] restrictions

[56:00] um and they do they have made those

[56:02] determinations when they've granted

[56:04] licenses

[56:06] um you know in other words you know if

[56:09] you're within so many feet of a school

[56:11] the state will not issue a license to

[56:14] begin with

[56:15] um it's based on the location not

[56:18] necessarily just the entity that's

[56:20] looking to open it

[56:22] mayor

[56:25] in that

[56:26] with a thousand feet from school sounds

[56:30] logical makes sense it actually reads a

[56:34] thousand feet and the Second Street

[56:35] right so where we had the

[56:38] facility open uh or Union Street

[56:44] schools around the corner of Baker

[56:47] Avenue within that distance but it's not

[56:50] on the same street and so again I think

[56:53] the state's intent who's in the right

[56:55] direction but some of the actual

[56:57] implementation was flawed yeah and so I

[57:00] totally agree we have to look at that

[57:03] like we have

[57:05] no smoking Zone around City Hall Ellis

[57:07] Hospital has one around their facility

[57:09] so there are some facilities like the

[57:12] city parks we're getting I think people

[57:14] accept it and make sense it's logical uh

[57:18] in general it's not enforcement people

[57:20] are compliant and how do we get that

[57:22] message out and so that it's not

[57:25] creating a negative impact for

[57:29] other businesses or people who are in

[57:31] the community

[57:35] any other questions regarding this Miss

[57:38] Williams I would say I know that

[57:39] councilman on palomini recommended the

[57:41] specific districts and I think just put

[57:44] it out there for digestion I think my

[57:47] only issue with that is just I feel like

[57:49] it was very restrictive

[57:50] um

[57:51] and my conversations that I've had with

[57:53] Mr Colton he's mentioned

[57:56] probably leaning closer towards full

[57:57] release just because of how our city is

[57:59] currently district and how putting it in

[58:02] any one zoning can

[58:05] make things difficult moving forward for

[58:07] us to manage within the city

[58:08] and I think also

[58:12] going on his recommendation of using our

[58:13] special use permits in a particular way

[58:15] I know for myself whenever I look at

[58:17] potentially opening up the downtown area

[58:19] one of the issues that we currently hear

[58:21] from not only

[58:23] business owners but also residents and

[58:25] people patronizing it is limited parking

[58:27] so I think uh understanding where we

[58:31] would not want to see these areas is a

[58:33] place to start and trying to make sure

[58:35] that we make the most of each of these

[58:36] conversations I think everyone

[58:37] recognizes this is a big topic but I

[58:40] think in addition to having our

[58:42] one-on-one discussions I'm looking

[58:43] forward to having a discussion with

[58:45] Kristen I keep hearing how she's the

[58:47] subject matter expert in this area I

[58:49] think I would like to hear if everyone

[58:51] feels comfortable where you do not feel

[58:53] comfortable with these types of

[58:54] businesses existing in the city

[58:59] I certainly appreciate the concerns I

[59:03] think they're valid

[59:05] however the

[59:07] recommendation for industrial zones is

[59:10] similar to that that's been used for

[59:11] other businesses and types of activities

[59:14] in the city it's nothing new secondly

[59:18] we've also looked at things like for

[59:21] instance specific neighborhoods with

[59:22] liquor stores and we said we didn't want

[59:24] them there so to

[59:28] I guess

[59:30] to say that we can't put those

[59:34] restrictions or put those businesses in

[59:37] certain areas where quite frankly the

[59:41] parking issue is taken care of it

[59:43] doesn't prevent people from using it

[59:45] throughout the city it's a large space

[59:49] in order for a business to operate it's

[59:51] safe to meet the m1m2 zoning makes sense

[59:57] but

[59:59] and it's been done for other other

[1:00:01] businesses in other types of activities

[1:00:04] so I think

[1:00:06] perhaps we need to take a little bit of

[1:00:09] a further look into some of the things

[1:00:12] that have happened previously in order

[1:00:14] to really understand the zoning aspects

[1:00:17] so that we can all be on the same page

[1:00:23] so whatever that's all council members

[1:00:25] to do is to submit is the 14th good

[1:00:27] enough for the right time first half is

[1:00:29] our next meeting the 14th okay to submit

[1:00:31] your concerns your what you would like

[1:00:33] to see you know all of that to Mr Colvin

[1:00:36] and also make sure miss Mike who's

[1:00:38] included on that email to by the 14th so

[1:00:42] that we can then have this more in-depth

[1:00:44] discussion on the 18th which is our next

[1:00:47] committee meeting

[1:00:52] you know to definitely send in you know

[1:00:55] some of your thoughts I think that this

[1:00:57] is a situation where we want to be

[1:00:58] really uh mindful that we're giving

[1:01:01] input from the community

[1:01:03] um so we're not making decisions based

[1:01:05] on our limited scope I think that it's

[1:01:06] really important that we engage your

[1:01:07] community

[1:01:09] um and talk to people so when we come to

[1:01:10] the table we're not just bringing our

[1:01:12] own ideas but maybe ideas that we can

[1:01:15] agree with or even disagree with just so

[1:01:17] we know that I'm worthy for discussion

[1:01:18] right so when we get to that you know

[1:01:20] we're going to have a public discussion

[1:01:21] absolutely yeah between now and four

[1:01:24] teams I think that it's worth it's

[1:01:26] nobody for people to you know reach out

[1:01:28] to the council member absolutely okay

[1:01:31] any further discussion

[1:01:33] okay so we'll bring this back in two

[1:01:34] weeks

[1:01:36] our next item exception is establishing

[1:01:39] a six-month moratorium

[1:01:41] uh the submission and processing the

[1:01:43] Builder building permits for uh Smoke

[1:01:46] Shop Safe shops and tobacco and the

[1:01:49] consumption businesses there was a

[1:01:50] public hearing on uh the 14th during the

[1:01:53] public hearing we had four speakers and

[1:01:56] the speakers were mostly talking about

[1:01:59] um the fact that what I got something

[1:02:01] from it that to close them or to not

[1:02:04] have them but this is really a

[1:02:05] moratorium on the existing ones are

[1:02:07] there and they're not that's not going

[1:02:09] to change but the moratorium would be

[1:02:11] that during that time no new ones could

[1:02:14] open so um open news up for a discussion

[1:02:17] again at this point in time Mr Colden

[1:02:20] can explain what would the process be

[1:02:23] if we were to move forward the

[1:02:28] ordinance would be presented to the

[1:02:31] planning department at the County uh for

[1:02:34] review

[1:02:36] they have roughly 30 days to provide us

[1:02:39] with their opinion on the moratorium

[1:02:42] whether they're in favor of it or

[1:02:45] against it or as I suppose have no

[1:02:47] opinion of it

[1:02:49] based on

[1:02:50] the response from the county if the

[1:02:53] county was to not be in favor of it that

[1:02:57] doesn't prevent the city council from

[1:02:59] moving ahead with the ordinance but you

[1:03:01] need a super majority to approve it if

[1:03:06] the county were to come out in favor of

[1:03:09] it

[1:03:10] then it could pass by simple majority

[1:03:17] fun especially if we are in that

[1:03:19] questions

[1:03:22] I know part of the discussion was

[1:03:24] evaluating how important it was

[1:03:26] continuing on

[1:03:28] Mr Woodbury is not here at the moment Mr

[1:03:30] May are able to speak to any progress

[1:03:32] made in that department

[1:03:35] they continue to do that not only in

[1:03:38] these shops but other venues who need a

[1:03:42] certificate of occupancy need of

[1:03:46] excuse me a public assembly permit

[1:03:51] don't have a summary on that but I told

[1:03:53] Jen that would have naeem call him

[1:03:57] tomorrow if you want that put together

[1:03:58] for the council as a whole we have it

[1:04:01] set out assume tomorrow or first thing

[1:04:04] the following morning

[1:04:07] and if I'm going to say if people get

[1:04:10] any complaints

[1:04:13] call them into naive because again we

[1:04:17] can generally know all the places some

[1:04:19] have popped up and are trying to be

[1:04:22] compliant other ones are

[1:04:27] going down with a classified's an

[1:04:29] interesting pathway for opening business

[1:04:34] Miss Williams and the only reason why I mentioned that and please chairman is

[1:04:38] to call them if I summarize anything you

[1:04:40] say inaccurately moving forward with the

[1:04:43] moratorium is a very serious action that

[1:04:45] the city is going to undertake and I

[1:04:47] think it is important for us to hedge

[1:04:49] our vets and continue moving forward

[1:04:51] with that as an action item however if

[1:04:54] it is not needed I absolutely would like

[1:04:56] to stress the importance of cautioning

[1:04:58] and then if we're identifying that the

[1:05:00] enforcement is curbing a lot of those

[1:05:03] concerns that we've had and been

[1:05:04] receiving from the public I think that is something that should be taken

[1:05:08] into consideration when we essentially

[1:05:09] approve or deny move forward with

[1:05:14] Mr Farley I would just um kind of echo

[1:05:17] what Mr Williams was saying I believe

[1:05:19] that it's best for us to graduating

[1:05:21] interventions and I think that we'll

[1:05:23] know um once we get the um information

[1:05:26] um from the name I think that we're in a

[1:05:28] better position to make a more informed

[1:05:30] decision on what we're going to do

[1:05:31] moving forward and I think that that um

[1:05:33] would just be a wise choice to make sure

[1:05:35] that we have the information in front of

[1:05:36] us before we uh make a decision

[1:05:44] the moratorium only makes sense I mean

[1:05:47] we're talking three four months at the

[1:05:50] most if we do our business

[1:05:51] um those that are already in the

[1:05:54] pipeline of being

[1:05:56] granted ability to open business they're

[1:05:59] not impacted at all it would just be

[1:06:01] those who are looking that's going to

[1:06:03] take some time anyway probably a couple

[1:06:05] months so we're talking about maybe a

[1:06:07] month or two of the most we've done

[1:06:08] these in the past there's been no

[1:06:10] comment about these being Extreme

[1:06:13] Measures we've done them with with other

[1:06:16] activities like convenience stores it's

[1:06:19] been no issue you can quite frankly you

[1:06:22] probably didn't do a very good job on

[1:06:24] that in my opinion of what the

[1:06:26] convenience stores of getting the zoning

[1:06:29] done in an effective and efficient

[1:06:32] manner but if we did our business an

[1:06:35] appropriate manner here we're talking a

[1:06:37] matter of three four months it helps the

[1:06:40] enforcement aspect because if a new

[1:06:42] store pops up you automatically know

[1:06:45] they're illegal um and it allows the

[1:06:48] enforcement aspect of ketchup to those

[1:06:51] businesses that are out there to the

[1:06:53] mayor's point of dealing with those

[1:06:57] businesses that are doing

[1:06:59] appropriate map we have a number of

[1:07:01] business who are but there's also those

[1:07:03] who aren't so this just gives us the

[1:07:05] time to catch up get our act together

[1:07:08] get the zoning done relatively rapidly

[1:07:11] and figure out how to go down that road

[1:07:15] and make sure that the complaints we're

[1:07:16] getting from the neighborhoods stop

[1:07:19] because there is significance of concern

[1:07:22] has been brought up with several

[1:07:23] neighborhood association meetings

[1:07:25] particularly Bellevue and some other

[1:07:28] neighborhoods of there's too many smoke

[1:07:31] shops within this area we know some of

[1:07:33] them weren't properly open and this

[1:07:37] gives us the chance to

[1:07:39] really catch up with the enforcement but

[1:07:41] also deal with the zoning issue

[1:07:48] Mr Golden to the

[1:07:50] Barney actually that mentions something

[1:07:52] about

[1:07:52] um

[1:07:53] that we're if we talk about doing some

[1:07:55] moratorium on smoke shops and do we have

[1:07:58] to consider

[1:07:59] um other shops that have like use like

[1:08:01] we're talking about the Cannabis so can

[1:08:02] you talk about how that all interacts

[1:08:05] sure and the way Mr Marne had phrased it

[1:08:08] previously is called a drastic measure

[1:08:11] which it is

[1:08:12] [Music]

[1:08:14] this only applies to vape shops smoke

[1:08:17] shops and similar youth shops it doesn't

[1:08:20] apply to cannabis the state has occupied

[1:08:23] that space in regulating cannabis

[1:08:27] lounges and dispensaries so this would

[1:08:29] not apply to those types of businesses

[1:08:33] so be limited to the smoke shops vape

[1:08:35] shops and similar crops that do not

[1:08:38] include cannabis dispensaries

[1:08:42] so what's before us now is that we would

[1:08:44] if we were to move forward it would go

[1:08:46] 30 days they would have their knees have

[1:08:48] to come back to the council once again

[1:08:50] correct so the

[1:08:53] presumably if the council were to move

[1:08:55] ahead with this next week

[1:08:58] um it would then and if it passes it

[1:09:00] would then go to the county development

[1:09:02] Agency for review and they have 30 days

[1:09:05] and then it would come back and during

[1:09:07] that time period obviously you know the

[1:09:09] council can you know obviously be

[1:09:11] getting the the zoning process of these

[1:09:14] types of businesses and it could be that

[1:09:16] 30 days from now or 30 days from when

[1:09:19] you send it to the count the account

[1:09:20] date

[1:09:21] um

[1:09:22] you know you've established zoning and

[1:09:24] you have something set you don't have to

[1:09:26] move forward with the moratorium at that

[1:09:28] time however at least you know you start

[1:09:30] the process by sending into the county

[1:09:32] that doesn't require you to take action

[1:09:34] if the county were to come out in favor

[1:09:37] of a moratorium or be supportive of it

[1:09:40] Council can still say we're not going to

[1:09:42] move ahead to them Mr Farley I would say

[1:09:45] just um in to be responsive to what

[1:09:48] we're hearing from the community and um

[1:09:50] uh definitely neighborhood association

[1:09:53] meetings and they're expressing as a

[1:09:55] concern I guess to Mr Coleman's point of

[1:09:57] moving forward what uh

[1:10:00] take away the opportunity for us to get

[1:10:02] the information from name and we still

[1:10:05] have the opportunity to look at that

[1:10:06] information and then decide whether we

[1:10:08] want to move forward or not and if we're

[1:10:10] already you know but I guess it would be

[1:10:12] wise to move forward therefore you still

[1:10:14] have that opportunity if not we can just

[1:10:16] you know we'll be somewhat wasting time

[1:10:18] where we don't need to waste time

[1:10:19] because we decide that's the action we

[1:10:21] need to take try to give us the

[1:10:22] opportunity to make a definitive

[1:10:23] reaction but again I just really want to

[1:10:25] stress the importance of making an

[1:10:26] informed decision based on the

[1:10:28] information that we're getting from

[1:10:29] Uncle enforcement

[1:10:31] so at this point in time we would still

[1:10:33] want to um just for clarification to

[1:10:35] make get the information from naive and

[1:10:37] the motion that the question before us

[1:10:40] now is whether or not we move this

[1:10:42] forward to refer to accounting

[1:10:45] come here thank you my personal purpose

[1:10:49] would be sending to a county get their

[1:10:51] input

[1:10:52] and I could not asked anybody in terms

[1:10:56] of the towns or Villages within the

[1:10:58] county or I think they're there's

[1:11:01] similar activities whether it have risen

[1:11:04] to the point of being an irritant

[1:11:05] whether it's under review but Canada

[1:11:08] County look at it and send it back in a

[1:11:11] fairly quick turnaround and then the

[1:11:13] council could act an appropriate Banner

[1:11:16] having had you know another set of eyes

[1:11:18] on it in another level of input

[1:11:27] the lovely commotion that we send we

[1:11:28] send it forward to the county for review

[1:11:32] take the next steps from there good

[1:11:35] I second that all in favor

[1:11:39] okay our next sign on the agenda is the

[1:11:42] ceremonial resolution for junior

[1:11:44] League's International Mr palomini yes

[1:11:46] they have a

[1:11:48] inaugural finally birthday on September

[1:11:51] 14th and uh they would just like to call

[1:11:54] some attention to this so it's a

[1:11:56] ceremonial resolution to recognize that

[1:11:59] thing

[1:12:04] five times

[1:12:07] is to follow up on the arbor context

[1:12:11] um where we are at this point and to be

[1:12:13] sent in information so it's probably

[1:12:15] going to be a pretty lengthy discussion

[1:12:17] Mr

[1:12:19] um Mr Ferrari has sent everyone every

[1:12:21] council member a packet in addition to

[1:12:24] emailing it to you that in hard copy

[1:12:28] um so rev I know that maybe you know if

[1:12:35] there's a specific order here but I

[1:12:37] noticed that there are a lot of people

[1:12:38] here

[1:12:39] from the Miracle on Craig Street and so

[1:12:42] for that reason I will move it up to the

[1:12:43] top of this discussion so we can do that

[1:12:45] so you don't have to stay through our

[1:12:47] entire discussion unless you want to

[1:12:48] okay

[1:12:57] so at this point in time council members

[1:12:59] you all have the information of uh how

[1:13:01] much has been allocated

[1:13:03] um what date is appropriated and where

[1:13:06] that particular project stands right now

[1:13:08] there is one other thing I want to bring

[1:13:10] up before we get to that discussion I

[1:13:12] sent the email to Mr um Holden always

[1:13:14] today though to ask him to take a look

[1:13:16] at at the overview of the arbor uh arpa

[1:13:20] guidelines because there's based on what

[1:13:24] I'm seeing there's a possibility that

[1:13:27] there may be a shorter time frame three

[1:13:30] months shorter time frame in in

[1:13:32] 2026 for people to actually spend the

[1:13:36] money so I was getting I read it and

[1:13:38] before I sent out the alarm I wanted Mr

[1:13:40] Colton to read it to make sure that I

[1:13:42] interpreted that correctly so that we

[1:13:44] stay on time in terms of the money that

[1:13:47] we've allocated and what people are um

[1:13:50] and how people are spending it making

[1:13:52] sure we need that timeline so you can

[1:13:54] let me know I will let you know I

[1:13:56] haven't come up with a conclusion yet I

[1:13:58] want to look at some backup information

[1:13:59] so that you know I don't want to give

[1:14:02] you the wrong answer obviously okay

[1:14:04] so could you start with bear plant where

[1:14:06] all that Romeo with that oh yeah of

[1:14:09] course

[1:14:10] um today I believe we have some

[1:14:12] representative representatives from

[1:14:13] Miracle Craig to discuss uh their

[1:14:16] project today I don't know if you'd like

[1:14:17] me to come up and then go over every

[1:14:20] other project

[1:14:21] after that or if you would like to start

[1:14:23] so I'd like you to start with how much

[1:14:25] invalidated um of course yeah where we

[1:14:27] are with that and what the request is

[1:14:30] uh as a date from the documents that

[1:14:34] Anthony Ferrari commissioner provided

[1:14:36] you the certification of 1.25 million

[1:14:41] dollars and

[1:14:45] I know that we had there's one year from

[1:14:47] 822 you get the secure Financial

[1:14:50] commitments from other sources

[1:14:53] um and that's all I have for now they

[1:14:55] let

[1:15:05] tonight

[1:15:14] okay

[1:15:16] so according to the documentation

[1:15:18] provide to us with the estimate of

[1:15:21] construction uh the probable estimate of

[1:15:24] the project cost of approximately three

[1:15:27] million dollars and it looks like

[1:15:29] there's an area one and area two uh two

[1:15:33] different phases of that

[1:15:36] so we appropriate 1.25

[1:15:41] and I know that the this stuff is really

[1:15:44] small so I brought my laptop so I can

[1:15:46] read it so the contingency was one year

[1:15:49] from 822 22 to get to secure Financial

[1:15:53] commitments and other resources and

[1:15:57] um

[1:15:57] and right now then there was an ass by

[1:15:59] tat

[1:16:00] for a in process maybe the extension

[1:16:04] okay so go yeah

[1:16:07] for the extension

[1:16:09] um well we'll want to hear from them

[1:16:11] yeah

[1:16:16] this is

[1:16:29] for the public

[1:16:34] all right so um

[1:16:37] so the status of the project is that the

[1:16:40] estimate has been growing as the months

[1:16:43] pass as you're aware of code sent all of

[1:16:46] our construction costs into the

[1:16:48] stratosphere and we've been trying to

[1:16:50] contain the electrons as possible what

[1:16:52] we've done is uh

[1:16:56] we have finished the construction

[1:16:59] documents so everybody's welcome to leak

[1:17:02] through that video issues the whole

[1:17:04] project is activated and I you just feel

[1:17:07] that we don't really know what the

[1:17:09] actual cost could possibly be until we

[1:17:11] get to this so we had to walk through

[1:17:13] coming through on Friday we have

[1:17:15] contractors

[1:17:16] um

[1:17:17] that we've restructure from every corner

[1:17:20] and we're hoping to get some good dollar

[1:17:22] bids and then we ignorance actually

[1:17:24] what's the deficit is so my

[1:17:27] understanding right now is that you're

[1:17:28] requesting a four-month extension from

[1:17:29] the council okay

[1:17:39] so

[1:17:41] yes so that four-month extension is to

[1:17:44] come up they need to come up with the

[1:17:46] rest of the money to the 3 million or

[1:17:48] whatever it is that you're estimating as

[1:17:49] the project budget we believe that in

[1:17:52] those four months we will know what the

[1:17:53] actual costs are and Rosa's here to tell

[1:17:56] you about the other

[1:17:58] possible sources that have been

[1:18:00] approached and how that will

[1:18:03] um

[1:18:04] contingency I believe that we put on the

[1:18:06] project was that they one point the rest

[1:18:09] of the yeah is yes the rest of money

[1:18:11] that they would have to come up with and

[1:18:13] now that money is more because the

[1:18:16] project costs have decreased

[1:18:19] so I just wanted to be clear about that

[1:18:22] um

[1:18:26] well first of all do any other

[1:18:28] councilman just have questions regarding

[1:18:30] that um what's been said so far in terms

[1:18:32] of the project and considering that

[1:18:34] they're asking for an extension to the

[1:18:35] end of the year to get through your get

[1:18:38] through the bidding process get some

[1:18:39] contractors on board you can work with

[1:18:41] you can go down the cost to quickly if

[1:18:43] we can usually contractors separate

[1:18:45] ideas on that and if we have to put the

[1:18:48] project into occupancy in two phases

[1:18:52] um we fit it that way so we'll know that

[1:18:56] how much we could actually accomplish

[1:18:58] with your 1.25 and we've designed it such that the

[1:19:03] building is occupiable at that point

[1:19:06] so it may not be fully occupied but it

[1:19:08] is fully accessible toilets or match the

[1:19:12] occupancy and many of the programs would

[1:19:15] be able to

[1:19:17] answer I haven't been called before

[1:19:19] Smithfield I think we've already set

[1:19:20] with code enforcement and looked at the

[1:19:22] two

[1:19:24] kind of a base approach okay okay

[1:19:27] so you wanted you wanted to tell us

[1:19:30] where your other funding is coming from

[1:19:32] if that is a that's a that's a huge

[1:19:33] question

[1:19:34] what's the date you have the bids coming

[1:19:37] back in 26th September 26th okay

[1:19:51] um

[1:19:51] [Music]

[1:19:53] my name is Rosa Rivera I'm the director

[1:19:56] of Miracle On Christ Street

[1:19:58] um so right now I really uh was planning

[1:20:03] to talk a little bit about programming

[1:20:05] but I'll jump into sustainability perks

[1:20:09] um so what we're looking at to bring in

[1:20:12] the rest of the money for the capital

[1:20:13] project is

[1:20:16] um

[1:20:17] two Grant applications one is the

[1:20:21] historical preservation program grant

[1:20:23] for African-American spaces this grant

[1:20:27] is a state Grant and it's up to you can

[1:20:30] apply up to five hundred thousand

[1:20:32] dollars for Capital Renovations we've

[1:20:36] had our eye on this for quite a while

[1:20:39] and we've gotten some letters of support

[1:20:42] to apply for this grant it's opening

[1:20:45] back up September 9th and we're also

[1:20:48] looking at a niska grant which is also

[1:20:52] for Capital Improvements

[1:20:54] which Barb had sent us it's I believe

[1:20:59] you can apply for up to 250 000 so those

[1:21:02] are both opening up this week

[1:21:06] and

[1:21:07] um we've met with some of our County

[1:21:10] legislators

[1:21:12] um hoping that they will support us and

[1:21:15] piecing together the rest of this

[1:21:17] funding to open a building they're

[1:21:20] supposed to be discussing our project

[1:21:22] with the rest of the county legislators

[1:21:25] this week as well

[1:21:27] we were really hoping when we started

[1:21:30] our bid process that you know the 1.25

[1:21:34] would be like the majority of the money

[1:21:37] for this project and as you have heard

[1:21:40] the crisis have went up

[1:21:42] and have increased quite a bit so we've

[1:21:46] kind of had to switch gears a little bit

[1:21:49] getting just kind of the budget back

[1:21:51] from Barb and then going into the bid

[1:21:55] process a few you know last week or so

[1:22:00] um

[1:22:01] so that's our plan

[1:22:04] um I think that nobody wants to wrap up

[1:22:08] this Capital project more than me

[1:22:10] um I'm really hoping that these next

[1:22:13] four months can

[1:22:15] um help us to bring in the rest of this

[1:22:17] money that we're successful with these

[1:22:19] Grant applications of course having the

[1:22:22] Arca award really is a point of Leverage

[1:22:26] or the other applications and also for

[1:22:29] the county to support us so we're really

[1:22:32] hoping that we can close that Gap and

[1:22:35] make it happen

[1:22:36] by January

[1:22:39] um

[1:22:39] so that's what our plan is for bringing

[1:22:43] the capital money yes it's the other two

[1:22:47] Grant applications when will you hear

[1:22:49] about the result of those Grant

[1:22:51] applications within this four-month

[1:22:53] period you'll know whether you're going

[1:22:54] to get that funding yeah we should hear

[1:22:56] from them by the end of the quarter in

[1:22:58] December

[1:23:01] and do you know how much you're asking

[1:23:03] for from the county

[1:23:05] so

[1:23:07] [Music]

[1:23:07] um

[1:23:09] we have the 500 000 for the

[1:23:14] African-American preservation Grant 250

[1:23:16] from the capital and then we do have a

[1:23:20] hundred and fifty thousand dollar award

[1:23:22] for Metroplex that's still on the table

[1:23:25] kind of waiting for the bids to come

[1:23:28] back in

[1:23:29] um as well they're kind of you know

[1:23:31] waiting for the same thing that you guys

[1:23:33] are waiting for

[1:23:34] um so it would be the Gap to that I

[1:23:36] don't have that number in my mind right

[1:23:39] now

[1:23:41] any other questions Mr palomini in this

[1:23:44] past year how much money have you

[1:23:46] actually raised

[1:23:48] for the capital projects

[1:23:50] so we've got some small grants I think I

[1:23:53] put them in the cover letter for

[1:23:56] um kind of like maintenance

[1:23:58] um painting the building doing

[1:24:03] um

[1:24:04] you guys know we have had

[1:24:06] um kind of like a quasi site control of

[1:24:09] the property so we we have had to

[1:24:11] maintain the property since the pandemic

[1:24:13] and you know begin to do some volunteer

[1:24:16] Renovations there were new things we

[1:24:19] have shown a little bit of kind of like

[1:24:22] our progress in the presentation that we

[1:24:24] sent to you guys

[1:24:29] so it's about 44 000. that's probably

[1:24:32] the number that I had yeah I just wasn't

[1:24:33] sure if there was another

[1:24:38] so at this point in time on the requesty

[1:24:41] forces to give a four-month extension to

[1:24:43] get the bids all in and also to

[1:24:47] um get that Gap and funding closed

[1:24:49] Mr Farley I guess my question would be

[1:24:52] um because number one I appreciate you

[1:24:54] know the primaries and efforts and the

[1:24:56] things that you're doing because you

[1:24:57] guys are basically working in the

[1:24:59] community right now which I think says a

[1:25:01] lot to your commitment

[1:25:03] um and already offering some Services

[1:25:05] some pretty uh amazing things happening

[1:25:07] right now so I want to congratulate you

[1:25:08] on that definitely I'm just thinking um

[1:25:10] is the four months a lot of time going

[1:25:13] to be enough time because I think that

[1:25:15] as we see you know places materials are

[1:25:18] coming up and I know that um

[1:25:22] covert has impacted a

[1:25:24] significant impact on their ability and

[1:25:26] kind of forecast when things can get

[1:25:28] done and whether to fall within you know

[1:25:31] what the expected price range was I was

[1:25:33] wondering do you think that maybe even

[1:25:36] um offering yourself a little more

[1:25:37] cushion time so you don't have to come

[1:25:39] back and ask your mother I don't I just don't know anything that that would

[1:25:42] be possible and I know you want to get

[1:25:44] this done and believe we have our own

[1:25:45] deadlines ever working with them as well

[1:25:47] I just wanted to um put that out there

[1:25:49] and see what you're doing

[1:25:53] um well Barb actually thought that six

[1:25:55] months would be better and we kind of

[1:25:57] went back and forth on that

[1:26:00] um for the purpose of the vids I think

[1:26:04] the purpose of

[1:26:06] raising the rest of the capital I'm

[1:26:09] really pushing for that four months

[1:26:12] I don't know if you wanted to say a word

[1:26:14] well just my concern is is if we don't

[1:26:17] get enough Bitters and we feel like we

[1:26:19] need to go back up to bed

[1:26:21] you know at least we'll have some sense

[1:26:23] of

[1:26:24] dollar Valley Ranch

[1:26:28] to you guys I think more time is always

[1:26:31] a little more cushion is always safe

[1:26:33] perfect

[1:26:35] well I just want to remind you that

[1:26:37] we're working within time frame no the

[1:26:39] federal government has given us a time

[1:26:40] frame right so we that's not that

[1:26:42] doesn't change it won't change so we

[1:26:44] have to stay within that the question

[1:26:46] for Mr Google I don't remember the

[1:26:48] legislation is it need to be allocated

[1:26:52] 2024 right and the 25th yes I'm gonna

[1:26:57] answer that

[1:26:58] man hey man president

[1:27:02] yeah the reality is that

[1:27:05] the financial plan is somewhat weak here

[1:27:09] we're also seeing that with the

[1:27:11] Empowerment Center

[1:27:14] there's supposed to be some discussion

[1:27:16] to see whether miracle and Craig and

[1:27:18] Empowerment Center could work together

[1:27:20] in a joint project

[1:27:24] where we take some of the money that

[1:27:26] we're going in both directions put it in

[1:27:28] one project to get something that's

[1:27:29] successful as opposed to two that we're

[1:27:32] not able to finance and just wondered

[1:27:34] what your position was on that or any

[1:27:36] discussion it's been having on that

[1:27:38] topic

[1:27:39] yeah so

[1:27:42] um can I just go into a tidbit about

[1:27:45] programming correctly and circle into

[1:27:48] that no I don't think that we don't do

[1:27:50] that okay very many many times okay whoa

[1:27:54] so I guess in short

[1:27:56] um we're really looking at uh our

[1:27:59] programming spoke has changed to focus

[1:28:01] on kind of like holistic Women's Health

[1:28:04] I think that we would be of course open

[1:28:07] to collaborating with the Empowerment

[1:28:09] Center I don't know fully what their

[1:28:12] scope is I think it's around Workforce

[1:28:14] Development so it's definitely kind of

[1:28:17] very different uh what we're doing I

[1:28:21] think we could you know put it all Under

[1:28:24] One Roof I don't know if

[1:28:27] um it would make the most sense

[1:28:29] programmatically kind of having people

[1:28:32] come in for

[1:28:35] uh Women's Health Services and dual

[1:28:38] services and lactation counseling and

[1:28:40] yoga and Workforce Development

[1:28:43] um maybe I'm open to the conversation

[1:28:46] and I express that to Ron and Kristen so

[1:28:50] I'm happy to to have that and talk about

[1:28:52] it more so now I have to step back

[1:28:54] because I thought that the programming

[1:28:56] was really focused on youth programs

[1:28:59] a community center I mean that is what

[1:29:03] we have heard in the past I think that

[1:29:04] was the Grant application that we

[1:29:06] received from the Carver Community

[1:29:08] Center the arbor application I don't

[1:29:10] think talked to women's holistic health

[1:29:13] so although I just said Gee we don't

[1:29:16] need to hear about the programming it

[1:29:17] now sounds like there's a change in

[1:29:19] emphasis

[1:29:20] on what condition of the cargo Community

[1:29:22] Center is as close to what you have been

[1:29:25] coming to us for in the past they said

[1:29:29] did you get to read through the yeah

[1:29:31] okay

[1:29:33] I just wanted to make sure that you had

[1:29:35] it yeah okay well yeah all right did you

[1:29:38] want to speak for that

[1:29:40] um

[1:29:41] sure I

[1:29:43] um so in the past

[1:29:45] we have kind of expressed not a youth

[1:29:48] center was always a family center but

[1:29:51] more of like a catch-all kind of Center

[1:29:54] where we would rely more on Partners to

[1:29:57] come in and run programming but over the

[1:30:00] past four years or so I've been

[1:30:04] practicing as a doula and a yoga

[1:30:06] instructor prenatal yoga instructor

[1:30:07] there's a large kind of Public Health

[1:30:10] Initiative around maternal health and

[1:30:13] there's some big legislation happening

[1:30:15] next year with some

[1:30:17] reimbursements around dual services and

[1:30:20] getting people access to some of the

[1:30:24] resources that we've been piloting over

[1:30:27] the last two years I've kind of put in

[1:30:29] the packet a little bit about that and

[1:30:31] some of the grants that we received from

[1:30:33] those pilot programs

[1:30:36] um so I think that it has shifted a bit

[1:30:40] um but we never kind of um we're

[1:30:43] planning to be like a youth Drop in

[1:30:45] Center

[1:30:47] um but I think as we came

[1:30:49] um back to the council and we spoke

[1:30:52] several times and just working with our

[1:30:54] board you know we really needed to have

[1:30:57] a foundation and work from our strengths

[1:31:00] and you know be able to have programs

[1:31:04] that we can sustain and then we can have

[1:31:06] additional Partners come in and you know

[1:31:08] the community come in and utilize the

[1:31:10] center but we really needed a game plan

[1:31:12] to you know keep the center open Mr

[1:31:16] Farley So to that point

[1:31:19] um um yes with the large initiatives

[1:31:21] that we see on the state and federal

[1:31:22] level on what you're talking about I

[1:31:24] think that that speaks to sustainability

[1:31:26] so we're not so what we described as a

[1:31:29] shift

[1:31:31] um I think is also it was not only being

[1:31:32] responsible for sustainability but

[1:31:34] responsive to the community and I would

[1:31:37] um

[1:31:37] foreign

[1:31:48] some of the benefits from being

[1:31:51] Grassroots and I know we're used to

[1:31:52] funding kind of big box nonprofits

[1:31:56] um who've been around and been operating

[1:31:58] for some time I think the reason why we

[1:32:00] want to make sure that we're supporting

[1:32:01] these type of things just for that

[1:32:02] reason because you have the ability to

[1:32:04] be responsible to the community and need

[1:32:06] and it's also clearly an issue of equity

[1:32:08] which is why we have to be mindful in

[1:32:10] our approach when we're funding things

[1:32:11] that we're doing in the heck of a manner

[1:32:13] that we're not um just funding again our

[1:32:16] large big box non-profits because that's

[1:32:19] what we think some oil that's been done

[1:32:20] and I think this coven money

[1:32:22] um there's language in in the

[1:32:24] legislation that speaks to um

[1:32:26] communities that are greater impacted by

[1:32:28] covert which Hamilton Hill is one of

[1:32:30] those communities so I just wanted us to

[1:32:32] be mindful and um and make sure that

[1:32:34] we're being intentional about the way

[1:32:36] we're receiving this information and

[1:32:38] never allowing you to operate with them

[1:32:40] at school and it seems like that's what

[1:32:41] you're doing so thank

[1:32:50] okay

[1:32:53] Mr William uh first and foremost the

[1:32:55] efforts that you and your team have

[1:32:57] taken on our affordable uh you

[1:32:59] continuing this narrative over the past

[1:33:01] few years has required a lot of strength

[1:33:04] and energy and that should not go

[1:33:06] unnoticed I think where we're currently

[1:33:08] at as a council and then correct me if

[1:33:10] I'm wrong man McCarthy this project has

[1:33:13] to be of success not just because the

[1:33:15] impact it'll have within this

[1:33:16] neighborhood but also the resounding

[1:33:18] impossible in the community this has to

[1:33:20] work whenever I hear of extensions my

[1:33:23] mind immediately goes through all right

[1:33:25] what is this success rate now as we're

[1:33:27] functioning with a shortened timeline

[1:33:29] and I hope that you appreciate just my

[1:33:31] frankness

[1:33:32] definitely there's going to come a

[1:33:34] conversation topic ordinary of

[1:33:37] is this project success succeedable

[1:33:40] under its current management

[1:33:42] and please I would like to hear everyone

[1:33:45] else's opinion and I don't think that is

[1:33:47] doing a discredible to what has been

[1:33:49] continuing on but I think with hearing

[1:33:51] as we're then getting closer to this

[1:33:52] December 2024 date my fear is will we

[1:33:56] then not have an opportunity to

[1:33:58] reallocate this money as equitably as a

[1:34:01] as we need to so that it's not lost Miss

[1:34:04] Patrick I would like to Echo that

[1:34:05] because I think that we've had I mean

[1:34:07] I've only

[1:34:09] just in the time that I've been on

[1:34:10] Council we've had extensions before

[1:34:13] um I think but none of our non-verbal

[1:34:15] money not on our but on other other

[1:34:18] things related so my question so I hear

[1:34:21] what Mr Williams is saying and I share

[1:34:24] that concern

[1:34:25] um and I guess I was going to flip the

[1:34:26] question that Mr Farley had which is so

[1:34:29] you get to the end of the four months

[1:34:31] um if you haven't received these other

[1:34:33] grants what is your you what is your

[1:34:36] plan

[1:34:37] yours and the boards in terms of when do

[1:34:40] you say okay we've been working on this

[1:34:42] now for I think eight eight or nine

[1:34:44] years

[1:34:46] um like what's your next step if you

[1:34:48] don't get this funding

[1:34:51] so I think that you know

[1:34:56] um

[1:34:59] I think the next step if we don't

[1:35:01] receive the funding right and we don't

[1:35:05] um

[1:35:05] and we lose the award right that's what

[1:35:08] we're talking about

[1:35:09] um I think we would

[1:35:12] um have to scale back and and look at a

[1:35:16] different space I think the thing that

[1:35:19] we're already doing and we're working

[1:35:21] out of the stocking and inner Bliss you

[1:35:25] know it's not quite in the neighborhood

[1:35:27] in the community that we want to work in

[1:35:30] and that we live in and so we have to

[1:35:33] really look at that and you know but

[1:35:35] yeah I'm

[1:35:39] and I I say that with all respect to the

[1:35:42] effort that you as as Mr Williams did

[1:35:44] you know the efforts that you've put in

[1:35:47] um I hope you're hearing that because I

[1:35:49] certainly have watched and seen the word

[1:35:50] that work they're doing over these last

[1:35:52] several years

[1:35:53] um but I just do have that concern Mr

[1:35:56] Farley well number one I appreciate the

[1:35:59] concerns of the council members I think

[1:36:00] that it's important that we are

[1:36:02] considering you know what the forecast could

[1:36:05] possibly look like

[1:36:06] um again I would just you know say that

[1:36:08] you know the same way that you know any

[1:36:10] other project that um we have funded in

[1:36:12] the city um there's contingencies and

[1:36:15] the contingencies aren't met then our

[1:36:18] responsibility to the city of

[1:36:19] Schenectady is to move forward

[1:36:21] accordingly and I don't see

[1:36:23] um anything being different from Miracle

[1:36:25] on Crabtree and I'd also just uh you

[1:36:27] know just in plain language I mean like

[1:36:29] you know it's important that you know if

[1:36:31] we want this project to be successful

[1:36:33] when we think this as a valuable project

[1:36:35] you know Miracle correctly exactly is

[1:36:38] asking for you know a specific amount of

[1:36:41] money in a specific amount of timeline

[1:36:42] if you feel that um the money

[1:36:45] um if they need more money you know and

[1:36:47] we have more money to support them

[1:36:48] that's always an option

[1:36:50] um so I I welcome that on from federal

[1:36:53] council members if you feel that this is

[1:36:55] a project that's important and speaks to

[1:36:57] the our needs of the community and again

[1:37:00] it's a very unique project

[1:37:02] um and again and we talk the language of

[1:37:04] equity a lot and and what we do about

[1:37:07] this is a way to demonstrate equity and

[1:37:10] to make sure that we're getting the

[1:37:11] project what it needs to be successful

[1:37:13] um and I think that we have an

[1:37:15] obligation to do that and I think that

[1:37:17] Our obligation stops once we come to our

[1:37:19] reasonable agreement and if Marathon

[1:37:20] pressure is unable to make uh fulfill

[1:37:23] the agreement they're no different than

[1:37:25] anyone else who's not able to fulfill

[1:37:26] the agreement then um they want to

[1:37:28] receive the funding but I think that um

[1:37:30] it's important that we demonstrate

[1:37:32] equity in our practice right now not

[1:37:33] just again talk about it

[1:37:36] so again sorry I just wanted to

[1:37:40] piggyback off that um you know how do

[1:37:44] you know my boyfriend here

[1:37:45] manufacturing team

[1:37:48] um five times News basketball champion

[1:37:50] um I just wanted to I know we said we

[1:37:55] weren't going to talk about programming

[1:37:56] but that seems to be coming up a whole

[1:37:58] lot here at this table and I just wanted

[1:38:00] to um touch on the programs that are

[1:38:02] existing uh without being in the

[1:38:04] physical building

[1:38:06] um use mural program that I run myself

[1:38:09] um also the community and police

[1:38:11] basketball league that has ran

[1:38:13] successfully uh six years straight we

[1:38:16] haven't done in the past year obviously

[1:38:18] because of the construction we had done

[1:38:19] in Jerry Burrell Park

[1:38:21] um so just wanted to touch base on that

[1:38:24] also the Partnerships I mean we're kind

[1:38:26] of getting into the weeds but again

[1:38:27] questions have arised at this table that

[1:38:30] you said we weren't going to talk about

[1:38:32] but you guys have valid concerns so just

[1:38:34] want to make sure that we address them

[1:38:36] so Community fathers we plan on housing

[1:38:39] men in the space which they'll bring

[1:38:40] their own programming in that rooms are

[1:38:43] spoke to along with we've been talking

[1:38:45] to Schenectady City School District

[1:38:46] about their continuing ed programming

[1:38:49] and Barbara mentioned a very important

[1:38:51] part about

[1:38:58] so as Mr Farley stated we are Grassroots

[1:39:02] so we're not you know we have to treat

[1:39:04] this project

[1:39:06] not differently but kind of right we

[1:39:09] have to if we're talking about Equity

[1:39:11] um you know support will look kind of

[1:39:13] different

[1:39:14] um so I just wanted to speak to what we

[1:39:16] have done already I don't know if you

[1:39:18] guys got a chance to kind of browse

[1:39:19] through our slideshow but we've done a

[1:39:21] lot over the years and especially in the

[1:39:23] past year

[1:39:25] um so there hasn't been like a huge

[1:39:26] shift in programming it just looks

[1:39:29] different because it's it's being geared

[1:39:31] more towards family and not just you if

[1:39:34] that makes sense I just wanted to add

[1:39:36] that

[1:39:37] so our discussion right in this point in

[1:39:40] time is whether we whether we give the

[1:39:42] four-month extension and then see where our miracle-under in four months

[1:39:47] I'd make a motion to give the full month

[1:39:49] extension oh second all those in favor

[1:39:52] aye thank you thank you extension you're

[1:39:55] welcome is this for you

[1:39:58] don't give feedback

[1:40:00] yeah

[1:40:03] okay Derek you can come back

[1:40:18] did you continue

[1:40:25] okay it is it's right right even for me

[1:40:41] so do you want to go in order for things

[1:40:43] and we'll follow you

[1:41:07] looks like they're still going to be

[1:41:09] sure uh 795 000 if they get all that

[1:41:13] money

[1:41:14] approximately

[1:41:19] but those amounts they say that they

[1:41:21] said up until up to so it doesn't mean

[1:41:24] they're going to get a 250 yeah I just

[1:41:27] wanted to throw that up there and um the

[1:41:29] accounts I didn't realize that so

[1:41:35] um I think so Anthony Ferrari sent you

[1:41:37] this great worksheet except worksheet

[1:41:40] with all the updates from all the

[1:41:44] projects that are going on

[1:41:47] um I think really the contest to make

[1:41:49] some big decisions on what they're going

[1:41:51] to move forward with there's a lot of

[1:41:54] commitments and contingencies that some

[1:41:56] of these organizations have to come up

[1:41:59] with so

[1:42:00] if there are any questions or that or

[1:42:04] anything that I think maybe reach out to

[1:42:06] an organization to hopefully again if

[1:42:09] you have any questions

[1:42:18] she was wondering what uh funding what

[1:42:21] has going on with the funding for the

[1:42:23] project I did reach out to Lauren

[1:42:26] Gardner to see if we need updates on

[1:42:28] that since those two are linked uh begin

[1:42:31] to respond so

[1:42:43] no there's a couple things I want to be

[1:42:45] very specific about there were a couple

[1:42:47] of things that I think we really need to

[1:42:49] take a look at there were requests for a

[1:42:52] change of use of funds there were

[1:42:54] requests for extensions of time we just

[1:42:56] heard one and there's also requests for

[1:42:58] additional funds so

[1:43:01] um I can start with the YWCA if you um

[1:43:04] all right so the YW yeah the YWCA I

[1:43:09] think let me just be clear that Mr

[1:43:10] Ferrari sent us all the emails as he got

[1:43:12] them and then last Thursday in

[1:43:15] preparation for this meeting he sent it

[1:43:16] all as one packet so and then it's also

[1:43:19] printed out for you in front of you

[1:43:21] um so the YWCA is asking for a six-month

[1:43:26] extension and they're also asking for an

[1:43:28] additional 750 000 dollars

[1:43:32] the original request was to build

[1:43:34] something called the Harbor House which

[1:43:36] is

[1:43:37] a building that's behind the current why

[1:43:41] and and now they're asking for the

[1:43:43] additional 750 to do some Renovations of

[1:43:47] 42 units within their existing property

[1:43:50] but we haven't um I have not gotten I've

[1:43:53] asked for but I have not gotten kind of

[1:43:55] some detail on what that really would be

[1:43:57] and where women would be housed while

[1:43:59] they're renovating and all that stuff

[1:44:01] um they did uh the mayor hosted the

[1:44:04] meeting here a couple weeks ago and so

[1:44:08] they came and asked that so one of the

[1:44:09] follow-ups was to say you wanted the

[1:44:12] addition 150 extension they'd already

[1:44:14] asked for excuse me at 150 7.50 but how

[1:44:18] was the exact Amusement so we hadn't

[1:44:20] gotten that yet

[1:44:22] so I open that Alexa discussion

[1:44:25] Mr Farm yeah so so there

[1:44:28] are not changing their what they wanted

[1:44:31] to do with their initial the funds that

[1:44:33] were granted they're saying that they

[1:44:34] want to do what they're not to do with

[1:44:36] the initial funds

[1:44:37] um for a harbor house and then the

[1:44:40] additional funds that they're requesting

[1:44:41] would be for a separate project correct

[1:44:44] separate Gifts of their existing

[1:44:46] building at um whatever number

[1:44:48] Washington Avenue yes so their existing

[1:44:52] building that they have and it's been

[1:44:54] there for 135 years they want to do some

[1:44:56] renovation in that building as well and

[1:44:58] that's what they're asking for the

[1:45:00] additional 754 and we don't have all the

[1:45:03] details of that correct okay but the

[1:45:05] initial Harbor House project could

[1:45:09] stand alone from this project

[1:45:12] do you understand what you're saying

[1:45:13] yeah

[1:45:17] so I see this then

[1:45:21] piggybacking what Mr Crowley says as two

[1:45:23] separate requests the request that we

[1:45:25] have already approved which was Grant

[1:45:27] they applied WE Post we agreed to it

[1:45:31] this is almost like asking for another

[1:45:34] Grant without going through a Grant

[1:45:36] application process right somebody oh my

[1:45:38] misunderstanding well I wouldn't call it

[1:45:41] I guess you people get it like that but

[1:45:43] I see it as a requesting additional

[1:45:45] funds to make sure that their facilities

[1:45:47] what's needed to cancel William the

[1:45:50] women and

[1:45:51] um as we've said costs have gone up and

[1:45:53] so there's the Harbor House and then

[1:45:56] they wanted they wanted to make sure

[1:45:57] since they're creating this new facility

[1:46:00] that they upgrade where people women

[1:46:02] currently live as well so I don't know

[1:46:05] if it's necessarily a new Grant request

[1:46:06] but I understand how you can see it like

[1:46:07] that

[1:46:12] to do some do something yeah

[1:46:16] if they had done two applications for

[1:46:19] the classified as a nine percent

[1:46:23] financing package

[1:46:26] competitive process

[1:46:30] Ary bhcr in the state they did not think

[1:46:33] the cut set up so

[1:46:36] what looking at now is a four percent in

[1:46:40] the nine percent is a competitive

[1:46:41] package you have to go out and compete

[1:46:44] against projects within the community

[1:46:45] within the region within the state

[1:46:48] the four percent is more of a negotiated

[1:46:51] process it's not as lucrative for the

[1:46:54] developer but the Senators there that

[1:46:57] make it work

[1:46:58] and so they're approaching an ounce of

[1:47:00] four percent and it will be again dhcr

[1:47:04] which stole me the lead in terms of

[1:47:06] reviewing it make sure it makes sense to

[1:47:09] them that they would Grant those tax

[1:47:11] credits to allow it to go forward and

[1:47:14] then the city's money would be

[1:47:17] uh to close the deal to do uh council

[1:47:22] president pointed out some of the

[1:47:23] original proposals and then some

[1:47:27] necessary work in the building proper

[1:47:31] that has been there

[1:47:35] probably 60 years without major

[1:47:38] Renovations maybe longer

[1:47:42] so that they would have a new building

[1:47:44] and then have the upgrades to the

[1:47:47] existing facility it's

[1:47:51] at this point it

[1:47:53] and more optimistic about it than under

[1:47:54] the competitive proposal or the four

[1:47:56] percent again it's negotiated so we're

[1:47:59] working with them working with the state

[1:48:02] they're of course making requests

[1:48:04] because anytime you get money from some

[1:48:07] other source it makes it easier to put

[1:48:09] it together and gives a greater level of

[1:48:14] competitiveness

[1:48:17] having said that it's no different than

[1:48:20] miracle and pregnancy

[1:48:22] the Empowerment Center this one until

[1:48:25] you go out and have the final bid and

[1:48:29] you've got a firm price from the

[1:48:32] contractor there's widely varying

[1:48:35] numbers of what the original assumptions

[1:48:38] are and what we could actually do these

[1:48:40] projects we don't want to get into

[1:48:41] something where we don't have enough

[1:48:43] money on the table to be able to finish

[1:48:45] it and so as we're working with these

[1:48:48] groups it's yes we want them to raise

[1:48:50] money I want them to step up but at the

[1:48:53] same time is

[1:48:55] kind of like the city's money to close

[1:48:57] the deal not to put it into your

[1:49:00] starting and then only getting it

[1:49:02] halfway done and you have something that

[1:49:04] really doesn't serve anybody's needs

[1:49:07] down

[1:49:09] and so if you need um do you need are

[1:49:12] you asking for additional information to

[1:49:13] the other new 750 that Edition 715

[1:49:17] do you need more clarity on how they

[1:49:19] wanted to send that are you still at new

[1:49:21] Grant application well I mean so they

[1:49:24] right now

[1:49:27] we've

[1:49:33] 700 said 750 000 dollars

[1:49:38] they need an extension the six months

[1:49:43] um so the total cost is 21.5

[1:49:48] million 1.5 million oh that's a good

[1:49:52] question

[1:49:53] versus the 750.

[1:50:03] yeah it says yeah 21 points

[1:50:19] I guess I mean can they do the project

[1:50:21] that we initially awarded them in the

[1:50:23] 750 000 can they do that project at 750

[1:50:27] 000.

[1:50:29] Derek do you know the answer to that

[1:50:32] um

[1:50:34] my understanding is

[1:50:38] that to get the numbers to work for the

[1:50:41] four percent package you have to do

[1:50:45] bigger project within the building the

[1:50:49] four percent it's going to be tougher

[1:50:51] than just the new addition

[1:50:53] even though some of that is still fluid

[1:50:56] and

[1:50:59] they're working with

[1:51:01] dhcr to go through those scenarios and

[1:51:04] options

[1:51:06] I would at this point encourage the

[1:51:08] council to

[1:51:10] approach it is

[1:51:12] you got to do the whole thing you can't

[1:51:14] do the new building and leave the

[1:51:16] existing building

[1:51:19] kind of in a backward state that it's

[1:51:22] not code compliant and it's only going

[1:51:25] to have other issues going forward just

[1:51:27] routine maintenance they've had issues

[1:51:30] where pipes have broken

[1:51:33] home ownership and everything too a

[1:51:36] Basics very easy basis not quite as

[1:51:39] cleanse

[1:51:40] a do you have cancer sir

[1:51:44] yeah so I it sounds to me like

[1:51:47] so yes I would like to give more

[1:51:50] information on that just because I want

[1:51:52] to to draw just a little more clearly as

[1:51:55] to how connected the projects are and if

[1:51:59] the projects are connected and it's one

[1:52:01] of those things that the mayor's saying

[1:52:03] that we need to do it all or do nothing

[1:52:05] you know I

[1:52:07] you know mine's but my limited

[1:52:09] information that I have I would think

[1:52:11] you'd be better off to fund something in

[1:52:14] a way that it can move forward and

[1:52:16] actually produce their uh service their

[1:52:18] Community then under fund it and then

[1:52:21] again let it kind of be a waste of

[1:52:23] resources but I I think that it's fair

[1:52:25] to say like those are some questions

[1:52:27] that I think for them to because I

[1:52:29] didn't see that

[1:52:31] so are you asking for them to come like

[1:52:33] here and explain it or do you want it in

[1:52:36] writing it'd be good if they could just

[1:52:38] maybe send something you know just send

[1:52:40] something over and we can reach out you

[1:52:41] know definitely I can reach out

[1:52:45] or are you looking for a funding

[1:52:46] material and see exactly where they are

[1:52:48] and then I'd rather them just give us

[1:52:50] you know more information than needed

[1:52:52] yeah you know they're not less but I

[1:52:53] just kind of really want to see how the

[1:52:55] two projects are connected and are they

[1:52:57] uh

[1:52:58] depending on one another

[1:53:01] important mayor

[1:53:04] my suggestion Council would be issue

[1:53:07] like agree upon an extension and I don't

[1:53:10] know if they could like give me the

[1:53:11] information tomorrow I understand

[1:53:13] they're working through that and it

[1:53:15] might be two weeks it might be six weeks

[1:53:18] before they have the numbers together

[1:53:20] and what the uh

[1:53:22] scope of the work is in what

[1:53:24] would meet the standards for dhcr where

[1:53:27] they would actually be able to assist in

[1:53:30] the finances

[1:53:31] so at this point I'm sorry no I'm saying

[1:53:34] I agree but so are you being with the

[1:53:36] accenting and the additional money

[1:53:38] information um

[1:53:45] I have a problem with this whole thing

[1:53:48] and it's not just one project or another

[1:53:51] the overall scope I mean you created a

[1:53:55] process you created

[1:53:59] contingencies

[1:54:00] and now they're basically meaningless so

[1:54:04] we talk about Equity we have 70 percent

[1:54:06] 80 percent of the city that is a Justice

[1:54:09] boarding community and you know it's

[1:54:13] we've created these aspects to be put in

[1:54:17] place and we're disregarded

[1:54:19] so what does that say to the other

[1:54:21] organizations and I think that's

[1:54:23] something that we need to address

[1:54:24] because that to me is is very

[1:54:27] problematic because why create the

[1:54:30] contingencies why have those things in

[1:54:33] place as far as a process if we're not

[1:54:36] even going to follow what we've put out

[1:54:37] there

[1:54:38] so my response is that we create the

[1:54:41] process at that time and things ever

[1:54:43] where they as they were things have

[1:54:45] changed since then in terms of cost of

[1:54:47] things all those things and additionally

[1:54:49] the opportunities for every single

[1:54:51] person who was going to funding would

[1:54:53] send a letter saying where are you they

[1:54:55] had an opportunity to come back and say

[1:54:56] this is where we are we need a lot more

[1:54:58] time we need more money we need whatever

[1:55:00] so it's not like no one had the

[1:55:03] opportunity they had the opportunity so

[1:55:05] it's not like we said to one group you

[1:55:07] can't come and talk to us or send us

[1:55:08] additional information but to this other

[1:55:10] group we can because because that's sort

[1:55:12] of like what I'm hearing you say and

[1:55:13] that's what I'm saying you know is we've

[1:55:16] created these contingencies you guys

[1:55:19] I've already known you put these

[1:55:21] contingencies in place and then you're

[1:55:22] saying that doesn't matter here let's

[1:55:24] just do whatever as each one comes up

[1:55:26] we're looking at each one as a one-off

[1:55:29] instead of as a whole and now we don't

[1:55:32] have a good track of where the money

[1:55:34] stands we don't have a very good ex I

[1:55:38] idea of how these costs are going to go

[1:55:42] forward we knew when these projects came

[1:55:44] that much of the costs were quite

[1:55:47] frankly not even close to what they

[1:55:49] would be

[1:55:50] so we knew that going in

[1:55:52] and so we granted the money anyway but

[1:55:56] now we're saying that it doesn't matter

[1:55:58] I think that's a problem for other

[1:56:00] organizations and I think just being

[1:56:03] consistent is important

[1:56:07] in terms of

[1:56:08] um go ahead not only the organizations

[1:56:11] that we did Grant Arbor funds to but

[1:56:13] everyone who put in an application as

[1:56:15] well

[1:56:16] um seeing that you didn't follow what we

[1:56:18] some guidelines that we put forward

[1:56:21] but the restrictions and guidelines went

[1:56:23] towards the one that we've done

[1:56:25] absolutely so but they're thinking now

[1:56:29] you know I just don't think it's

[1:56:30] appropriate I I understand the point I I

[1:56:34] have not had any organization come back

[1:56:36] and say why didn't we we get funded but

[1:56:39] I understand your point Thank you so far

[1:56:41] well again I you know I can appreciate

[1:56:44] the concern but I think that you know uh

[1:56:46] especially around the president that it

[1:56:49] says but I think we need to be clear

[1:56:50] that even like whether some of our city

[1:56:52] projects that uh people voted in

[1:56:55] unanimous yes for

[1:56:57] um have

[1:56:58] uh budgets have almost doubled

[1:57:02] um and we still owe it yes in

[1:57:04] consideration

[1:57:06] um for because of Ontario costs and

[1:57:07] things of that nature so I think that if

[1:57:10] we're going to give that level of

[1:57:13] um of Grace understanding and responding

[1:57:17] to what's happening with our city

[1:57:18] project City projects I mean surely we

[1:57:21] you know we'd be suited to do the same

[1:57:23] for our organizations and especially the

[1:57:25] smaller organizations in particular

[1:57:27] because again some of our city

[1:57:29] um projects which are great projects

[1:57:30] what we all stood behind um unans people

[1:57:33] yes have a cost to have almost double

[1:57:36] and we still supported them unanimously

[1:57:39] we're always talking about Community

[1:57:41] input we want to talk about the cost of

[1:57:43] going for the pool largely a lot of

[1:57:46] those costs increase because of input

[1:57:48] from the community asking for a splash

[1:57:52] pad asking for all their stuff so that's

[1:57:54] where a lot of the costs increase and

[1:57:56] secondly if you have put contingencies

[1:57:58] on the city projects then okay we're

[1:58:02] comparing apples apples but we're not

[1:58:04] those contingencies weren't put on so

[1:58:07] that's the issue and so when we talk

[1:58:10] about these organizations we talked

[1:58:12] about the ones who weren't funded and

[1:58:13] they're looking at well hey you know

[1:58:15] we're granting money to a project that

[1:58:18] wasn't even applied for that's a problem

[1:58:21] when we look at

[1:58:23] getting rid of contingencies which we

[1:58:25] put in place and saying now we'll give

[1:58:28] this one five months we'll give this one

[1:58:30] eight months we brought into a

[1:58:32] credibility problem

[1:58:34] in order to give an extensions prior to

[1:58:36] this

[1:58:37] so this is not the first time which

[1:58:39] projects which what did we would gave an

[1:58:42] extension um where there was a

[1:58:44] particular extension that we gave it's

[1:58:46] like probably almost all the projects of

[1:58:47] like a top almost a year that was from

[1:58:50] last September right to this September

[1:58:53] right so that was the contingency

[1:58:55] emotionally uh contingencies and by 9 23

[1:58:58] right yeah

[1:59:01] so yeah I I understand what you're

[1:59:04] saying but I don't think that you're

[1:59:05] actively represent representing block

[1:59:07] was set so when you say when you say

[1:59:09] like there's a contingency and then

[1:59:10] we're just saying oh that contingency no

[1:59:12] longer doesn't matter that's definitely

[1:59:14] not what I'm saying but what I'm saying

[1:59:16] is that the same way that we made

[1:59:18] reasonable decisions based on new

[1:59:20] information that was presented when we

[1:59:22] looked at some of our city progress even

[1:59:23] if the cost doubled without a

[1:59:25] contingency on it

[1:59:27] um that's still the pretty significant

[1:59:28] thing to double the cost of a project

[1:59:30] but collectively we understood how that

[1:59:32] could happen and when you numerously

[1:59:34] supported that so I just think that we

[1:59:35] need to have the same metric when we're

[1:59:37] looking at some of our community

[1:59:38] organizations if not we do have a

[1:59:40] problem with credibility but it might

[1:59:41] not be the one you jerk on

[1:59:44] so

[1:59:45] at this point in time the question

[1:59:48] becomes they want they're asking for a

[1:59:50] six-month extension but they're also

[1:59:51] asking for additional 600 750 000 so

[1:59:55] um

[1:59:56] but what I'm hearing is that you

[1:59:58] consider the extension but want

[1:59:59] additional information about this other

[2:00:01] part of the project is that

[2:00:02] I think so although I think what I'm

[2:00:04] also hearing from the mayor

[2:00:07] meeting that you had is that part of the

[2:00:09] issue with this additional 750 is so

[2:00:11] that they can get that better 40 I mean

[2:00:14] it's that my understanding that

[2:00:15] correctly four percent is not a better

[2:00:18] rate you could say yes competitive

[2:00:21] it's an option that's out there

[2:00:24] English but to get the numbers who are

[2:00:25] kept to a larger project and so they're

[2:00:28] still going through some of the cost

[2:00:29] analysis and it has the meat

[2:00:33] criteria Within bhcr's review so where

[2:00:38] they didn't make the cut and the nine

[2:00:41] percent they're now oh I see okay reach

[2:00:44] out to DHA arts and was can't we do this

[2:00:46] on a

[2:00:47] four percent

[2:00:49] again where the nine percent is you put

[2:00:53] it in it's yes you get it no you don't

[2:00:56] the four percent is more of a negotiated

[2:00:58] process so we go in and say well you

[2:01:00] know if you had

[2:01:01] extra assistance from the city council

[2:01:03] you could do part of this or do we have

[2:01:06] to finance the whole amount through a

[2:01:09] developer

[2:01:11] and it's uh

[2:01:14] it's not as lucrative for the developer

[2:01:16] but it's a process that I believe will

[2:01:19] allow that project to go forward but I

[2:01:21] can't sit here and tell you to say give

[2:01:24] them an extra dollar give them an extra

[2:01:26] million dollars and they don't need

[2:01:29] all these the costs are going up

[2:01:32] Fair

[2:01:35] you know

[2:01:37] tight budgets we want to try and work

[2:01:40] with them to make it happen so if this

[2:01:44] point that my recommendation will be if

[2:01:47] the council agreed on

[2:01:49] an extension

[2:01:52] it's like miracle and Craig one and they

[2:01:54] really wanted six months you gave them

[2:01:55] four months maybe let's be clear they

[2:01:58] ask for four months

[2:02:00] and so you know it's how do you workers

[2:02:04] build at the same time keep a little bit

[2:02:05] of pressure on them to move the project

[2:02:09] forward get things lined up to be able

[2:02:12] to again move forward a successful yeah

[2:02:17] Mr Williams I can only speak for myself

[2:02:20] I think looking at all these projects

[2:02:22] when we receive them in whole I may

[2:02:24] certain determinants based on criteria I

[2:02:28] selected various projects based on the

[2:02:30] benefits that they have to the community

[2:02:31] which are still

[2:02:33] um

[2:02:34] true to today so as we Now function and

[2:02:38] a new reality where covet is still very

[2:02:41] much affecting a lot of qualities of

[2:02:43] life it's understanding how do we

[2:02:45] salvage some of these projects which

[2:02:46] that truth still holds true that their

[2:02:49] impact on the community is such

[2:02:51] so getting to this point I agree with

[2:02:53] the mayor of how do we hold these types

[2:02:55] of additional requests accountable and I

[2:02:58] think it's the manner in which we do it

[2:03:00] I have no issues with this extension and

[2:03:02] hearing this information although I'd

[2:03:03] like to hear from the YW YWCA

[2:03:07] spokesperson I would feel more

[2:03:09] comfortable going through the remainder

[2:03:11] of these projects and then understanding

[2:03:13] what other additional requests that we

[2:03:15] are making

[2:03:17] uh before allocating this additional

[2:03:20] money so I'm not opposed to giving them

[2:03:22] this increase however I want to make

[2:03:23] sure if we're doing that what are we

[2:03:25] doing at the expense of

[2:03:27] thank you

[2:03:28] so actually right before it's now before

[2:03:30] we really discuss um

[2:03:33] additional fund we want to know talk

[2:03:35] about whether there'll be an extension

[2:03:36] or not did you yes just an additional

[2:03:39] question so at the end of December for

[2:03:42] Miracle on Craig and now the end of

[2:03:43] February for them yeah if they're asking

[2:03:45] for another extension where do we stand

[2:03:47] on that well I can't answer for everyone

[2:03:50] but I'm just saying things that well

[2:03:52] something we need to consider and we

[2:03:54] will consider and there's already as

[2:03:56] I've said a number of times as I start

[2:03:58] this conversation we're looking at the

[2:04:00] federal

[2:04:01] um the Federal

[2:04:02] guidelines in the federal timelines so

[2:04:05] we will keep that in mind if it's not reasonable that they can do it

[2:04:08] then of course we will consider that

[2:04:13] so um again are we we're talking about

[2:04:16] the six month extension but not

[2:04:17] additional money at this point in time

[2:04:19] without the additional information I'm

[2:04:21] more comfortable

[2:04:22] so are you going to be getting each of

[2:04:24] these organizations that are requiring

[2:04:26] extensions the same amount of time

[2:04:29] um

[2:04:33] except except well we'll wait till we

[2:04:36] get there I mean I don't

[2:04:41] think we should we should make decisions

[2:04:42] for them they they made that decision

[2:04:44] yeah

[2:04:45] for all these organizations to have

[2:04:47] their contingencies and funding

[2:04:49] employees

[2:04:51] please speak out the should make the

[2:04:52] decision whether to be allocate that to

[2:04:54] whether a city project or Consolidated

[2:04:56] project so yeah I think that's a good

[2:04:59] idea so timeline that we we decide all

[2:05:03] of the projects that we have to make I

[2:05:04] think that's an excellent idea so at

[2:05:07] this point in time if we're talking

[2:05:08] about six months we're saying nobody

[2:05:09] goes beyond six months

[2:05:23] our timetable and you inhibited if not

[2:05:28] then you know that's what I'm saying so

[2:05:30] right now so before we get into looking

[2:05:33] at everything as a whole because I don't

[2:05:34] want to have like two different

[2:05:35] conversations if we're talking about the

[2:05:37] YWCA right now which is what I'm talking

[2:05:39] about I'm comfortable

[2:05:41] um with the mayor's recommendation to

[2:05:43] offer the extension

[2:05:45] um allowing them some time to give us

[2:05:48] you know a more full view of what is

[2:05:52] happening

[2:05:54] so it's two different things they would

[2:05:56] get the six month extension but they

[2:05:58] would have to come to talk to us or send

[2:06:00] this information about the 750 rules

[2:06:04] we don't need a we don't need to vote on

[2:06:06] something then we are

[2:06:08] the six month extension yes then I'll

[2:06:12] make a motion to give the YWCA a

[2:06:14] six-time extension I'll second always in

[2:06:17] favor

[2:06:18] all right

[2:06:20] um can we uh so the next one is cats

[2:06:25] scat has not asked for additional money

[2:06:27] or a Time

[2:06:32] they are asking for an amendment of use

[2:06:35] of their funds do you want to you want

[2:06:37] to talk about that here it is

[2:06:40] oh

[2:06:52] yes

[2:06:55] the agencies that requested me give them

[2:06:58] the opportunity to come before

[2:07:01] I'm not sure how that would take that

[2:07:04] here to to come um because it was we

[2:07:07] this was just a discussion for the

[2:07:09] council but um they were there so I gave

[2:07:11] them the opportunity to say a couple of

[2:07:13] words

[2:07:16] um it would be a much longer meeting and

[2:07:18] I don't think you could fight for

[2:07:19] everybody

[2:07:20] yeah

[2:07:22] make those decisions

[2:07:32] right here

[2:07:34] can you see it bigger here

[2:07:40] all right so what I have up to date

[2:07:42] which accounts already seen on their

[2:07:45] documents

[2:07:48] they want to change their work detail on

[2:07:51] that

[2:07:53] um they originally were appropriated a

[2:07:55] hundred thousand dollars

[2:07:59] let's go pick

[2:08:02] supports including testing vaccination

[2:08:04] education and safety services for

[2:08:06] homeless individuals and that's hard to

[2:08:08] read there so at this point in time we

[2:08:11] all have the letter from them yep and

[2:08:13] they are asking to change all of that

[2:08:15] funding to go towards rent

[2:08:18] um for to keep prevent homelessness

[2:08:20] which is what we've just given them I

[2:08:22] think the cbdg yes

[2:08:31] I mean especially regarding that changes

[2:08:34] use so your point

[2:08:36] they're a community blocking we just

[2:08:38] paid them for that correct yes so it's

[2:08:40] such a nice problems

[2:08:51] but I can find that information now

[2:08:55] um and this is

[2:08:58] last year rental subsidy subsidies what

[2:09:01] we just also have given money producing

[2:09:03] thank you

[2:09:04] two weeks ago

[2:09:06] I can't remember when it was okay this

[2:09:08] was a few weeks ago and um addition let

[2:09:12] me just everyone needed her

[2:09:14] that housing that rental assistance as

[2:09:17] we know is a critical need right and uh

[2:09:20] Miss Dia did uh send this back on August

[2:09:22] 17th but it was to change the Arca but I

[2:09:25] wanted to include it and make a

[2:09:26] discussion with all of them as opposed

[2:09:28] to just bringing that one forward

[2:09:33] I guess I would just note that this is

[2:09:35] you know you know they're changing the

[2:09:38] scope of services somewhat it's still um

[2:09:43] directive impact in the same uh

[2:09:45] population which is um population that's

[2:09:48] a Diaries

[2:09:51] I trust their

[2:09:54] approximation to where how those funds

[2:09:56] can be allocated

[2:09:58] I think it's a different plan of attack

[2:10:00] for the same problems how kind of how

[2:10:02] I'm saying it I don't know

[2:10:07] anyone else

[2:10:09] yes Mr Williams I think regardless of

[2:10:12] whether it's different or not or how

[2:10:13] different I think we've all recognized

[2:10:15] the systemic impacts of covid and how

[2:10:18] it's affected only our renters but also

[2:10:20] our landlord Community I think

[2:10:22] previously when we had this presentation

[2:10:24] they highlighted I believe was 250 000

[2:10:26] or something how that was a drop in the

[2:10:28] bucket that's what this issue truly is

[2:10:30] for not our city Charlotte County and I

[2:10:32] was hopeful and wanting to designate for

[2:10:35] that so seeing that there's an

[2:10:36] opportunity for them to leverage their

[2:10:38] current project

[2:10:39] it is not a black and white scenario Mr

[2:10:42] promeny but I think this honestly is

[2:10:44] very much how do we provide more

[2:10:46] resources to a community and so much

[2:10:48] need and I think that this is an

[2:10:50] absolute yes

[2:10:53] so Mr Golden so do we if we're talking

[2:10:56] about a change in U2 we have to

[2:10:59] do we have to roll them into that or is

[2:11:01] it that just a special we just made that

[2:11:02] decision

[2:11:03] you're going to have to change the

[2:11:04] resolution

[2:11:05] um you know so you'll have to amend just

[2:11:07] like you did with the timeline

[2:11:09] um the resolutions that were previously

[2:11:11] passed with the allocations were

[2:11:13] specific to a project

[2:11:15] without looking at their resolution I

[2:11:18] don't think could Encompass this

[2:11:20] particular type of change so I think you

[2:11:21] would have to actually have a resolution

[2:11:22] to do it because we haven't ever done to

[2:11:25] a contract well we have nots right okay

[2:11:27] yeah

[2:11:36] this is a complete different use I

[2:11:39] understand this has applications it's a

[2:11:42] need but how does that look in terms of

[2:11:45] all the projects that we looked at it's

[2:11:48] a completely different project and yes

[2:11:50] it might have gotten funded anyway

[2:11:53] but we don't know that because we're not

[2:11:55] looking at that scope we're just well oh

[2:11:59] they asked for something else so let's

[2:12:01] give it to them

[2:12:02] it's a little facetious but the reality is it's a different

[2:12:09] project and we're not considering it

[2:12:11] into the scope of all the projects that

[2:12:13] we received and that's the problem by

[2:12:16] going one by one instead of looking at

[2:12:18] everything a whole and saying well we

[2:12:20] like this 510 these ones probably don't

[2:12:24] fit that's the problem we're running

[2:12:26] into and that's the lack of consistency

[2:12:33] Miss Williams well I have to push back

[2:12:35] that is why we prepared to have that

[2:12:37] type of discussion I took detailed notes

[2:12:39] sir and I have in my mind a template of

[2:12:42] what I'm willing to adjust to with my

[2:12:44] single vote and I'm taking that into

[2:12:46] consideration with hearing from the rest

[2:12:47] of my council members

[2:12:49] from my standpoint the amount of details

[2:12:52] that I've looked at I feel comfortable

[2:12:54] with that decision and as you do like so

[2:12:55] I think as this can as this conversation

[2:12:58] develops I think that is where we're

[2:13:00] currently at right now

[2:13:03] so in in their letter they say the

[2:13:06] reason they're asking for the change

[2:13:07] what they originally asked for they were

[2:13:09] able to get funding from a different

[2:13:11] source so

[2:13:14] um they said they still need the funding

[2:13:16] however they'd like to use it for

[2:13:17] another need that that's already there

[2:13:19] so

[2:13:19] um we certainly couldn't let them give

[2:13:21] them the funding and then use

[2:13:24] um and then pay for something that they

[2:13:25] already had another grant for that we

[2:13:28] could not do so they simply said well no I mean at some point in your

[2:13:32] mind but they've said you still need the

[2:13:34] funding but we'd like to allocate it to

[2:13:36] a different use

[2:13:40] okay actually I think you've said this

[2:13:42] in the past I think that these things

[2:13:44] are existing both are existing at the

[2:13:47] same time both of you are saying can

[2:13:50] exist and be true at the same time

[2:13:52] because I get both of your points it is

[2:13:55] that we are actually

[2:13:58] I mean not everyone had the same

[2:14:00] opportunity to come in here and talk to

[2:14:02] us or to give us a new

[2:14:05] scope or a new proposal clearly if they

[2:14:09] got funding for covet testing which they

[2:14:11] probably got in a very timely way which

[2:14:14] we were not necessarily timely in making

[2:14:16] our decisions

[2:14:18] right in terms of How It's not allowed

[2:14:20] out they are performing to begin with so

[2:14:22] they obviously took care of what they

[2:14:24] needed with the you know so so yes we're

[2:14:27] looking at them one at a time instead of

[2:14:29] looking at

[2:14:30] um big picture exists with the same at

[2:14:33] the same time that this is such a

[2:14:35] critical need

[2:14:37] um at least this one is

[2:14:38] um in our community that how do we so I

[2:14:41] guess I'm saying to both of you how do

[2:14:43] we reconcile the fact that we all sit

[2:14:45] here and know because we had this

[2:14:47] discussion already about scap

[2:14:49] previously

[2:14:52] um we know what this this need for for

[2:14:54] rental assistance for people that are

[2:14:57] home you know just about homeless how do

[2:15:00] we reconcile these two things with the

[2:15:02] fact that right now we're making

[2:15:03] judgment calls

[2:15:04] and going outside of a process that we

[2:15:06] already had set up which I think is what

[2:15:09] you're saying

[2:15:10] um because for example let's let's face

[2:15:12] it we're going to get to the other the

[2:15:13] other folks uh in this pile

[2:15:17] um and even miracle and Craig Street I

[2:15:19] mean they totally changed the scope of

[2:15:21] their project from what they asked us

[2:15:23] for originally because

[2:15:26] to fit into the amount of money we gave

[2:15:28] them as opposed to I mean one of the

[2:15:30] contingencies that we had originally

[2:15:31] given them was

[2:15:34] um that they had to come up with the

[2:15:35] rest of the funding I can't remember the

[2:15:36] whole total of their project when in

[2:15:38] that first application but it was like

[2:15:40] double what we gave them instead they

[2:15:42] came back to us and said okay we've

[2:15:44] actually narrowed the scope of the

[2:15:46] project so that we can do the project

[2:15:47] with what you you are giving us so they

[2:15:49] already changed

[2:15:51] what they already did what now for

[2:15:54] example scaff is asking us about and

[2:15:56] pretty soon you're going to see if we

[2:15:57] get to Cocoa house that cocoa house is

[2:15:59] asking us I mean you know

[2:16:02] at the same time I think we have to

[2:16:04] recognize that

[2:16:05] like a year has gone by or more since

[2:16:09] these folks originally gave us their

[2:16:11] application so you know a lot has

[2:16:13] changed uh in the external environment

[2:16:16] in which they are operating

[2:16:18] all of them

[2:16:20] every single one of these you know

[2:16:22] organizations but every the letter was

[2:16:24] sent to everyone everyone had the

[2:16:26] opportunity to come back and ask the

[2:16:27] same questions these are the responses

[2:16:29] that we got just I want you to so it's

[2:16:31] not that everyone didn't have an

[2:16:32] opportunity to speak oh right oh I

[2:16:34] thought just the one yeah just the ones

[2:16:35] that we still didn't have

[2:16:37] to have fun everyone got the letter and

[2:16:38] then then that's how let me just also

[2:16:41] say that

[2:16:42] um it when Mr Ferrari took this over

[2:16:44] yeah that's right that's right so he

[2:16:47] asked everyone and then some of the

[2:16:49] contracts got in place

[2:16:57] um so yes and you're right it did take a

[2:16:59] year I don't I don't

[2:17:01] I can't speak to why but until he sent

[2:17:03] out the letters and say you must move or

[2:17:05] we will take our money back that's when

[2:17:06] things started moving forward right

[2:17:07] that's right so

[2:17:10] um

[2:17:11] again the you know the question on the

[2:17:13] table and and in terms of us looking at

[2:17:16] I think that we're looking at each

[2:17:17] project and we have to I mean we're

[2:17:18] looking at he fends out everything on

[2:17:20] every single sponsors right yes yes

[2:17:23] so um so there's to my knowledge there's

[2:17:27] no one that's left out

[2:17:29] no there shouldn't be uh you send emails

[2:17:32] it's down

[2:17:33] these organizations so

[2:17:36] um

[2:17:37] 99 of them did respond

[2:17:40] um like I said Anthony was in charge of

[2:17:43] the Soul amongst us so uh if you have

[2:17:46] any questions I could try to reach out

[2:17:47] to them or dig into his files and um

[2:17:51] see if there's any uh questions that

[2:17:53] could be answered

[2:17:55] so the question before is now is is the

[2:17:57] change of use for the 100 000 for um

[2:18:04] yeah I'm just going around isn't

[2:18:07] supposed

[2:18:09] but we can do that we can if no one has

[2:18:12] sloppy treats up forward

[2:18:14] so and just well yeah

[2:18:19] well then I'll make the motion that we

[2:18:21] do a serious opposition is there serious

[2:18:23] opposition it's a serious opposition to

[2:18:25] this guy

[2:18:27] for me

[2:18:30] I'll speak into the sense that I mean

[2:18:33] yes homelessness is a crisis so is

[2:18:35] domestic violence and we just asked for

[2:18:39] six months extension for that they would

[2:18:42] want to know why we're changing the

[2:18:44] scope of asking for an extra 750 by then

[2:18:47] so I and again to stay consistent I use

[2:18:52] almost everybody wants to change their

[2:18:54] application now and what they need it

[2:18:56] for I think we need to stay consistent

[2:18:58] and I'm sorry that's just my feeling you

[2:19:01] never have to be sorry for your opinion

[2:19:02] thank you

[2:19:06] Mr pulmonary settings

[2:19:11] I

[2:19:13] support it

[2:19:15] my support

[2:19:17] well I'm going to make the motion that

[2:19:19] we that we do it I'll second all those

[2:19:21] in favor all right

[2:19:25] um do you want to okay so I think I'm

[2:19:27] going to just stick with most of these

[2:19:28] items

[2:19:29] to turn by Council or push them through

[2:19:33] most information is here if there's

[2:19:35] questions or if there's information that

[2:19:37] yeah I want us to talk about the

[2:19:39] electricity Co-op

[2:19:41] because that's another one that has an

[2:19:43] extension but they're asking for a year

[2:19:49] and an additional 250 000.

[2:20:20] so

[2:20:22] um

[2:20:28] yes

[2:20:33] so when their update it's just like they

[2:20:36] really outlined it for us

[2:20:39] um they're our original resolution was

[2:20:42] 12 months from September 12 2022 they're

[2:20:46] asking for 24 months from that date

[2:20:49] which is really another year from this

[2:20:50] date and um

[2:20:55] they're asking for another 250 thousand

[2:20:58] dollars

[2:21:00] and also since the the scope of their

[2:21:03] project has lowered the amount that

[2:21:04] they're going through probably where our

[2:21:06] project is going to be they've um the

[2:21:08] resolution asset we asked that they

[2:21:11] match 5.7 million and so since the scope

[2:21:15] of the project is lower the cost of the Project's lower they're

[2:21:19] asking that the proposed requirement

[2:21:21] from us the lower

[2:21:26] do you have this I just

[2:21:28] so

[2:21:31] that's kind of the overview of that one

[2:21:36] right when we were still looking for the

[2:21:39] 5.7 million

[2:21:41] additional communities

[2:21:43] they're still looking for money

[2:21:45] oh it looks like they're just looking

[2:21:47] for four they're asking us to say they

[2:21:50] want they want another 250 000 from us

[2:21:52] but they're also asking for another year

[2:21:56] in which to come up with the money that

[2:21:59] they need but we have to keep in mind

[2:22:01] that we're looking at a deadline from uh

[2:22:03] from the federal government that we

[2:22:05] really from the treasury Department that

[2:22:06] you know and

[2:22:09] um to Mr to Tara's point we may want to

[2:22:12] try to stay pretty consistent

[2:22:17] what we're doing

[2:22:19] so a discussion around this particular

[2:22:22] one

[2:22:26] Mr Wayne although I feel uh

[2:22:28] uncomfortable with that

[2:22:30] here is where it pushes this up I

[2:22:33] trust the judgment and the involvement

[2:22:35] of Metroplex I think in evaluating that

[2:22:37] they're looking at an entirely new site

[2:22:38] I think it makes sense to give them a

[2:22:41] portion of that but again I wouldn't

[2:22:43] want us to push myself into the deadline

[2:22:45] where we're we're treating and trying to

[2:22:47] shuffle last night so I would I think

[2:22:50] they said two 24 months which is a year

[2:22:53] from now so we're truly talking about a

[2:22:55] year

[2:23:01] they're also asking for additional 250

[2:23:03] thousand dollars

[2:23:06] um

[2:23:10] not that the scope of the project has

[2:23:11] changed but they just asked them for

[2:23:13] addition on Sunday

[2:23:17] on the I would support six month

[2:23:19] extension but I don't

[2:23:23] feel badly though

[2:23:26] um

[2:23:30] and so um but not the not the 200 not

[2:23:33] the additional funding what do you guys

[2:23:35] I don't think so

[2:23:37] anyone can come and ask for more money

[2:23:39] no absolutely not

[2:23:48] well we're not in contracts so I think

[2:23:50] we should be able to be okay

[2:24:00] employees

[2:24:04] I was just raising the question so that

[2:24:07] we're negotiating the terms of this and

[2:24:10] whether not only happened

[2:24:13] Electric City Co-Op now with some of

[2:24:15] these

[2:24:16] are some of these discussions

[2:24:17] appropriate in executive session

[2:24:20] as opposed to public session

[2:24:25] so I thought if I was talking about

[2:24:26] contracts we had to

[2:24:30] so that's a question it's awarding the

[2:24:32] contract has to be done in a public

[2:24:34] essentially when you're negotiating the

[2:24:36] terms and conditions of the contract

[2:24:40] depending on what it is appropriate for

[2:24:42] executives

[2:24:47] like you're going to do some housing

[2:24:50] sales

[2:24:51] you might take the dollar amount that's

[2:24:54] put forth you might ask for more

[2:24:55] whatever you're negotiating that's

[2:24:57] executive session

[2:25:00] so yes you're like you get I don't

[2:25:03] necessarily agree with that

[2:25:04] um with housing is slightly different

[2:25:06] because

[2:25:07] I can get to the reasons why here

[2:25:10] there's no contract

[2:25:11] you're talking about the terms of that's

[2:25:14] already been made public that the

[2:25:16] council has required and you're simply

[2:25:19] talking about modifying the terms of you

[2:25:21] know the financial obligations that they

[2:25:23] have to meet and the time in which

[2:25:25] you're going to allow them to meet those

[2:25:29] requirements there's currently no

[2:25:32] contract between the city and these

[2:25:35] entities

[2:25:36] not modifying an existing contract

[2:25:39] all right

[2:25:41] and so the ones that are We There are

[2:25:43] some that we're under contract with so

[2:25:44] we will not discuss those

[2:25:50] um so we're back to uh electricity Co-op

[2:25:53] whether we're sorry we're interested in

[2:25:55] granting the extension

[2:25:59] yes no Mr pong meaning I'm sorry this is

[2:26:02] just so arbitrary how we're going about

[2:26:04] this and you know if I'm one of these

[2:26:07] other organizations and I'm looking at

[2:26:09] this

[2:26:10] I'm thinking

[2:26:12] you know potential lawsuits I'm thinking

[2:26:14] all kinds of things that we're opening

[2:26:15] ourselves up to and you know

[2:26:19] it's just very arbitrary and very

[2:26:22] problematic

[2:26:23] um you know we're saying well this one

[2:26:26] has four months we'll give it to them

[2:26:28] this one after six months we'll give it

[2:26:30] to him this one asked for 12 months nope

[2:26:32] they're not going to give it to them

[2:26:33] we'll give them six and I understand the

[2:26:34] reason why but I'm just saying the

[2:26:36] arbitrary aspect of it is very

[2:26:39] problematic and and

[2:26:41] I'm telling you if I was one of these

[2:26:43] organizations I would

[2:26:46] very much be looking at a lawsuit yes or

[2:26:49] no it's definitely I'm not

[2:26:52] I don't well we allow people to come to

[2:26:55] us and say this is what we want so we're entertaining what they want so I

[2:27:00] don't see the lawsuit I'm not saying

[2:27:01] that you're not right I'm not but I

[2:27:03] don't see that and um and in times in

[2:27:06] terms of the time frame we still we've

[2:27:08] made it very clear to the organizations

[2:27:10] that we have a time frame that we have

[2:27:12] to stick with so if they ask isn't what

[2:27:15] we can reasonably do then it's an ask

[2:27:18] it's not a demand it's not saying you

[2:27:20] know you we can't do without this it's

[2:27:23] an ask but we've already set forth the

[2:27:25] timeline for when we have to meet for

[2:27:27] the federal government that's not going

[2:27:28] to change we may be talking about three

[2:27:30] months left if you know once we read

[2:27:33] through that information so we have to

[2:27:35] stick to our timelines and making these

[2:27:37] decisions we also have to consider that

[2:27:41] as far as I mean I know people can

[2:27:44] pursue litigation for any reason that

[2:27:46] they see are you sharing the same

[2:27:49] concern that you're hearing about

[2:27:50] organizations of possibly uh assuming

[2:27:54] that's what the process that we're

[2:27:55] engaging in right now

[2:27:57] I mean it's a hypothetical and I don't

[2:28:00] want to get down the road of

[2:28:01] hypotheticals I don't necessarily see a

[2:28:04] cause of action unless the city is doing

[2:28:07] something that is irrational

[2:28:11] generally this you know the work that

[2:28:15] the city council does as it relates to

[2:28:16] this has to stand up to having a

[2:28:19] rational basis

[2:28:21] thank you

[2:28:27] so what we're discussing is again

[2:28:31] well they're asking for a year extension

[2:28:34] we have to make a decision on that

[2:28:35] keeping in mind what our time frame is

[2:28:37] an additional 250.

[2:28:44] it was clear over here and I think you

[2:28:46] said no I just want to be clear since

[2:28:49] we're training extensions

[2:28:51] across the board I'll go with six months

[2:28:53] but additional money at this point you

[2:28:55] know okay since we're denying everyone

[2:28:57] else

[2:29:00] uh Miss Williams

[2:29:03] with with the extension and withholding

[2:29:06] the additional phone calls what's going

[2:29:08] on in agreement with the extension and

[2:29:11] not entertaining the additional funds

[2:29:13] request see

[2:29:25] Habitat for Humanity to me there wasn't

[2:29:28] enough information I wasn't really it

[2:29:31] just said I don't think they're asking

[2:29:33] for anything yeah they're saying

[2:29:36] I'm not really

[2:29:41] oh they're saying they still have to get

[2:29:42] us the paperwork all right so so we have

[2:29:45] 100

[2:29:46] 000. I'm looking this is what they said

[2:29:48] this is a Contracting place it's the

[2:29:51] contract in place okay well then I guess

[2:29:53] that means that we can't discuss it

[2:30:01] they only have one

[2:30:03] all right there's a Contracting place

[2:30:09] yeah this one I think is we don't have

[2:30:11] to discuss it

[2:30:14] um

[2:30:18] I think it's the same as what they asked

[2:30:20] for I mean yeah right so the Green

[2:30:23] Market though I do think that they are

[2:30:26] their information that needs to be

[2:30:28] updated that they sent us okay it was it

[2:30:31] was the information needs to be updated

[2:30:33] if you notice that it referred to 2022

[2:30:35] and 24 so their information needs to be

[2:30:38] updated

[2:30:40] we'll put that on the side also excuse

[2:30:42] me please should we put that aside then

[2:30:43] yeah okay I think they need to be

[2:30:45] updated

[2:30:52] you said that jewelry reached out to you

[2:30:55] um yeah so she reached out to me uh

[2:30:58] Esther and he reached out

[2:31:00] um they warning about their funding

[2:31:03] um

[2:31:04] emailed Ron Garner to see

[2:31:08] the updates on that and to see if he had

[2:31:12] a cost of the project

[2:31:21] [Music]

[2:31:25] yes

[2:31:30] so the seat centers income they were in

[2:31:32] contract right so we don't have to talk

[2:31:34] about that one

[2:31:35] right yes no no we do not

[2:31:41] um and cocoa house is not in contract is

[2:31:43] that correct

[2:31:45] is correct Okay so all right football

[2:31:49] house um was awarded 500 000 and now

[2:31:54] they want to change their the use

[2:31:59] um which they asked us they asked us

[2:32:02] about that a long time ago we just we

[2:32:04] didn't get that yeah because we hadn't

[2:32:06] had that conversation right it didn't

[2:32:07] come back quite frankly and uh so

[2:32:11] they're asking for for new staff

[2:32:14] asking for 200 000 year one in year two

[2:32:19] if I'm interpreting this correctly and

[2:32:21] then 100 000 in year three

[2:32:24] is that what you have uh

[2:32:28] here

[2:32:39] it's the same as Carver basically their

[2:32:42] original project was I think 3.5 million

[2:32:44] if I'm reading this correctly without my

[2:32:46] glasses I gave them five hundred

[2:32:48] thousand dollars they're basically

[2:32:50] saying

[2:32:52] they want to change because they want to

[2:32:54] use the 500 000 but not towards that

[2:33:01] the changing the scope abroad so

[2:33:02] changing the scope of what their money

[2:33:04] used to learn for well okay yes it was

[2:33:08] exactly that they produced yeah a budget

[2:33:12] and they're asking for

[2:33:16] two hundred thousand dollars for the use

[2:33:18] of for 200 200

[2:33:20] I don't know how they came okay so I'm

[2:33:23] guessing this is just with the salary

[2:33:25] that they're going to say is going to be

[2:33:26] used they really haven't broken down

[2:33:31] oh yes I have 240 the first year the

[2:33:34] Arca 160 the second year and a hundred

[2:33:37] thousand third year

[2:33:43] I guess um for me the question would be

[2:33:45] Staffing I see that there's only one

[2:33:47] stash so

[2:33:49] I think that what they came back to us

[2:33:51] with

[2:33:52] um was increasing their Staffing so that

[2:33:54] they could provide additional

[2:33:55] programming so that's what they're now

[2:33:57] asking us for as opposed to the capital

[2:33:59] project which is what they originally

[2:34:01] asked someone and

[2:34:04] it's probably they're not asking for

[2:34:06] additional funds they're just asking for

[2:34:08] children James Grace

[2:34:21] all right

[2:34:23] so I am in agreement with the

[2:34:25] development property aspect based on

[2:34:27] their timeline which I think was very

[2:34:28] well thought out I think it's clear how

[2:34:31] they intend to use that portion of the

[2:34:33] money and with respect to the personal

[2:34:35] hires I think it just highlights the

[2:34:37] executive director so I would like to

[2:34:39] know is there additional positions that

[2:34:41] they're planning on hiring or is it

[2:34:43] truly sitting within that one position

[2:34:44] which I imagine is not the case so I

[2:34:46] would like more information about that

[2:34:51] other people so perhaps what we should

[2:34:53] do with this one is the same that we're

[2:34:55] saying we're doing with the YW which is

[2:34:57] having them come in also in a future

[2:34:59] meeting and talk to us about to change

[2:35:01] the scope right I think what is

[2:35:05] I thought we said we just get in writing

[2:35:07] and look at it but oh okay whichever way

[2:35:09] all right although so but I would I

[2:35:12] would say we definitely um would need to

[2:35:14] have those questions answered

[2:35:16] so yeah okay it saves as well

[2:35:23] oops

[2:35:27] and um the Proctors is under in contract

[2:35:30] that is correct

[2:35:33] well I think Anthony told us that the

[2:35:35] last 10 hours I do have some questions

[2:35:37] so we would have to do that in uh okay

[2:35:47] um did we have anymore or are there more we

[2:35:51] have the um

[2:35:52] extension for the Empowerment Center and

[2:35:55] the extension to the Stars Hamilton

[2:36:00] the Staffing Association the North

[2:36:03] Street Station the old one my

[2:36:07] understanding is that's something that's

[2:36:08] being done in house map

[2:36:11] as opposed to the sake Associates some

[2:36:14] of the money to do a little bit of

[2:36:16] facade work the reality is you got to

[2:36:19] rescind that original resolution so

[2:36:22] it's a city property we're not good

[2:36:25] to go up contract somebody else to come

[2:36:27] back in and deal with them the problem

[2:36:29] is that

[2:36:30] the decision stole hasn't been made is

[2:36:34] what the Adaptive reuse of that building

[2:36:36] is going to be

[2:36:39] and that's and so is that where The

[2:36:41] Stockade Association is talking to the

[2:36:44] development about

[2:36:51] a firm

[2:36:55] plan of what it would be and some of

[2:36:57] that because when you go in and there's

[2:36:59] no real first floor there's okay so you

[2:37:02] have to establish

[2:37:04] a floor there

[2:37:05] do it but what we've done is taken a

[2:37:07] little bit of the money and done decide

[2:37:10] more to preserve the windows other

[2:37:13] things that would deteriorated just to

[2:37:14] maintain the outside

[2:37:22] I'm just wondering why we need to be

[2:37:24] saying this a long time ago because it

[2:37:25] already came back in house

[2:37:36] because I was told by the stocking

[2:37:38] Association that they were told by

[2:37:40] development that they could not do it

[2:37:42] because they were not a 501c3 in

[2:37:44] development

[2:37:48] okay we're appropriating money for we

[2:37:51] don't appropriate it to a third-party

[2:37:52] group to come back in and so that

[2:37:55] resolution is still there okay so my

[2:37:58] recommendation something like the

[2:38:00] council has to resume that okay come

[2:38:02] back and I would hope that we have a

[2:38:07] formal plan is what we can do with it

[2:38:10] when we take that action when you take

[2:38:12] that action

[2:38:14] okay okay well

[2:38:16] um so I guess that in this case we have

[2:38:19] to continue motion to resend that um

[2:38:22] it's about the resolution the

[2:38:24] Appropriations yeah that's contained in

[2:38:26] that resolution okay all right I'll make

[2:38:28] that motion to

[2:38:30] um

[2:38:31] the

[2:38:33] uh 750 000 through the stock case to The

[2:38:37] Stockade Association yeah I'll second

[2:38:40] that all in favor

[2:38:42] all right

[2:38:45] was there other ones that's who else

[2:38:50] I'm sorry

[2:38:51] Hamilton hill art center I think they're

[2:38:54] in contract aren't they enough

[2:38:58] they require additional 300 000

[2:39:00] commitment really I don't know okay

[2:39:03] I didn't see that

[2:39:06] I had

[2:39:07] thank you

[2:39:17] yeah I don't think they're asking us for

[2:39:19] that money though my reading of this

[2:39:21] email they're not asking us for that

[2:39:23] money they're basically saying that

[2:39:24] they're getting them

[2:39:25] so I don't think we really have are they

[2:39:28] looking for an extension though it says

[2:39:30] establishing for an extension but I

[2:39:32] don't see that

[2:39:33] I know I don't see the information they

[2:39:35] sent to us is that Anthony's handwriting

[2:39:38] that's at the top of this yeah

[2:39:43] so I don't think we have to do anything

[2:39:45] with us here honestly I think we have to

[2:39:47] get clarity on there because

[2:39:49] so can we get clearly from the article

[2:39:52] Center exactly what they're yeah if they

[2:39:54] need because it says

[2:40:03] that's Anthony's but they didn't say

[2:40:05] that

[2:40:05] right that's right

[2:40:11] the boys and girls club is under

[2:40:12] contract

[2:40:13] okay so we can put the Hamilton Hill

[2:40:15] Arts Center aside yes and move on

[2:40:23] oh

[2:40:24] the Empowerment Center

[2:40:29] great discuss that

[2:40:31] so they're asking for an extension as

[2:40:33] well right

[2:40:35] so I do have a question about the

[2:40:36] unconference center mayor and I guess

[2:40:38] it's really questions for you this

[2:40:39] property of City owned so are we in the

[2:40:42] same situation as we are with um

[2:40:45] conversation

[2:40:48] so this we have a plan for it okay we

[2:40:53] don't have money to fund the plan

[2:40:58] you have a plan but you don't have money

[2:41:00] to fund the plan the numbers the

[2:41:02] estimates are just coming in okay

[2:41:05] greater amounts

[2:41:09] of what is your consumptions

[2:41:13] so um Mr he didn't really give us an

[2:41:16] update on those changes Mr Gardner did

[2:41:20] not give us any update on that I did

[2:41:21] reach out to him today

[2:41:23] if there's any updates

[2:41:28] well there's no action you can take

[2:41:30] without knowing the last time the

[2:41:32] projected estimates were way over what

[2:41:34] we were

[2:41:36] upon this project

[2:41:38] yeah

[2:41:39] we don't know any of it so we can't

[2:41:43] did she have your hands up

[2:41:45] so I had a question about the master

[2:41:49] contract agreement I didn't know if

[2:41:50] there was an estimate and we can get on

[2:41:52] when that would be completed I know they

[2:41:53] said

[2:41:54] foreign right

[2:41:57] he's definitely not a contract when we

[2:41:59] begin or when we begin

[2:42:01] when we can expect it back

[2:42:09] and then uh you said the next step of

[2:42:11] identifying executive director would

[2:42:13] that be a position within the city Mr

[2:42:15] maybe you speak to that or

[2:42:17] so my question was how would that

[2:42:19] position be funded

[2:42:23] I don't know at this point

[2:42:27] I think my memory of the application was

[2:42:31] that the executive director was part of

[2:42:33] the money that we rewarding to them

[2:42:35] I think but I'd have to go back into the

[2:42:37] application

[2:42:39] and I just want to point out that we

[2:42:41] gave them

[2:42:43] one point

[2:42:45] 75 5 million and that is what they're

[2:42:48] needing if you add 875 and

[2:42:53] 200 doesn't that come up to 107.550

[2:42:56] so there's no question we already

[2:42:58] awarded we already did that

[2:43:00] appropriation so I don't think there's

[2:43:02] anything

[2:43:03] unless it comes unless they need more

[2:43:05] money I think well mayor's saying that

[2:43:07] the cost is increasing am I understand

[2:43:09] that correct um

[2:43:11] foreign

[2:43:23] except

[2:43:45] um

[2:43:47] yeah I wanted to have a discussion about

[2:43:49] that

[2:43:51] is it there's furthermore Mr um yes

[2:43:58] that we should discuss

[2:44:00] um

[2:44:15] of course it was just like so we're

[2:44:16] discussing I don't understand why we

[2:44:19] have to go into executive session to

[2:44:20] discuss

[2:44:21] contract

[2:44:24] that practice is already under contract

[2:44:27] you know I I understand that

[2:44:30] I still think that that falls in this

[2:44:32] particular session

[2:44:35] I don't necessarily I actually agree

[2:44:37] with Mr Charlie but I think it's

[2:44:39] possible that an executive session it

[2:44:41] does not it does not follow the

[2:44:43] executive stuff in there

[2:44:44] articulated items that would fall with

[2:44:47] an executive session

[2:44:49] reason why we do property sales an

[2:44:51] executive session that came up as a

[2:44:52] comparison is because it's very specific

[2:44:55] into real property sales as a matter of

[2:44:57] executive session because it could

[2:44:59] impact if the council doesn't move

[2:45:00] forward how we sell Properties or that

[2:45:03] particular property not approved it's

[2:45:05] something that somebody already under

[2:45:06] contract is not subject to

[2:45:10] Executive session unless something comes

[2:45:13] up in the discussion at a specific to

[2:45:15] something that would be a matter of

[2:45:18] executive session

[2:45:21] all right

[2:45:22] so my question regarding where is this

[2:45:27] is we appropriated the money when

[2:45:33] 9 12 2022

[2:45:37] and the props that we're asking to cover

[2:45:41] are previous to that date

[2:45:44] that's what Mr Ferrari told us

[2:45:49] so they basically I think you can work

[2:45:52] ahead with them both saved again I'm

[2:45:55] sorry but the same with the Cardinal

[2:45:56] Community Center they're looking to get

[2:45:57] these two grants

[2:45:59] they were they're hoping to get the 500

[2:46:01] 000 and the 250 000 of them

[2:46:05] it's a very difficult

[2:46:08] I guess what I'm saying is it sounds

[2:46:10] like Proctors thought they were going to

[2:46:11] get the money so they went ahead and did

[2:46:12] the work no no

[2:46:14] and then figured they could get article

[2:46:16] funding for it well they put in me on

[2:46:19] vacation after the work was done

[2:46:21] completely

[2:46:24] believe that's really against the

[2:46:26] guidelines in terms of the harbor money

[2:46:28] that you can't you can't we can't cover

[2:46:30] cost of something that's already been

[2:46:31] done I'm pretty I'm pretty sure I'm

[2:46:33] clear on that

[2:46:34] um

[2:46:35] so

[2:46:37] that's my concern there I mean others

[2:46:40] you know we can certainly have that

[2:46:42] discussion around that they do have two

[2:46:45] um yeah

[2:46:51] 912 correct you have three cars so those

[2:46:55] could be considered

[2:47:04] against me I said this before I say it

[2:47:07] again

[2:47:08] this is problematic

[2:47:11] um you know they're spent the money

[2:47:15] they obviously had the money to do the

[2:47:17] project and now they're asking for money

[2:47:19] besides

[2:47:21] no

[2:47:22] okay

[2:47:26] yes Mr Probz

[2:47:31] Excellence you don't know I'd say based

[2:47:33] on the pretense at which all of this was

[2:47:35] submitted I would agree as well

[2:47:41] yes I will make emergency

[2:47:49] so yes that is what we did so so yes

[2:47:52] that is what we did with uh the North

[2:47:53] Street pump Ferry Station

[2:47:56] yeah

[2:47:58] yes okay so what is your motion to

[2:48:01] rescind the appropriation all right did

[2:48:03] you do that that's what we must have

[2:48:05] done with the Aquatic Center as well

[2:48:06] then yes

[2:48:08] uh I'll second it all in favor

[2:48:11] aye

[2:48:15] all right is that the last one yes I

[2:48:18] believe so

[2:48:25] um

[2:48:31] the next couple days

[2:48:47] okay um

[2:48:52] three items are about properties

[2:49:00] foreclosures are About Properties I

[2:49:02] understand but it depends on on the

[2:49:05] context of this is a discussion item

[2:49:07] right I'm sorry so I don't know the

[2:49:09] context of

[2:49:10] this item to know

[2:49:13] if it's going to be a discussion on

[2:49:15] selling Properties or if it's a

[2:49:16] discussion on the foreclosures so I

[2:49:21] would say it's a prop it's a discussion

[2:49:23] on selling them based on the information

[2:49:25] that we're receiving okay that's

[2:49:28] okay

[2:49:30] um

[2:49:34] though we have to just recess claims oh

[2:49:38] okay I mean we said development oh right

[2:49:41] that's right because we have current

[2:49:42] score yeah okay okay so I will make the

[2:49:44] motion for you development planning okay

[2:49:47] thanks all in favor um now I'm going to

[2:49:51] open up claims and

[2:49:53] um we need to discuss this in executive

[2:49:55] session so I need a motion to go into

[2:49:57] executive sessions

[2:50:00] thank you thank you all right executive

[2:50:03] session and

[2:50:05] public would have to leave

Schenectady City Council Committee Meeting, September 5, 2023

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