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[5:54] regarding reducing speed limit well

[5:57] again we're just revisiting the

[5:58] conversation and this evening Mr

[6:00] caruccio and Mr Wallen along with I

[6:03] think a guest right because semestriani

[6:06] um I'm going to be presenting the data

[6:08] that we can take out from the East Road

[6:11] nodes as well as a couple of others okay

[6:14] oh this talks loud into the world in the

[6:17] hotel

[6:18] then you can't hear

[6:21] okay I talked gladly anyways

[6:24] uh all right so we were asked was that

[6:26] um

[6:27] what we did is we focused with Kings

[6:29] Road uh at first we asked Fred mastroni

[6:32] fcm engineering to do a traffic study

[6:35] based on some of the information that we

[6:36] got from our Optical sensors that Mr

[6:39] coluccio presented to you at the

[6:41] previous meeting so I'd introduced Fred

[6:43] who can talk to you about a little bit

[6:45] about traffic engineering some of the

[6:48] constraints and some of the things that

[6:49] he has he has some handouts and so thank

[6:51] you great everybody thank you for the

[6:53] opportunity to talk about Kenny's roads

[6:57] decision

[7:06] some photographs and kind of give you an

[7:09] idea what what the bill looks like for

[7:12] some of the characteristics of the road

[7:15] um

[7:29] so whenever whenever we're looking at a

[7:33] speed limit at any given Road there's

[7:35] two different manuals that are typically

[7:38] used by Traffic Engineers one is the

[7:40] interior state supplement to the manual

[7:43] of uniform traffic control devices for

[7:45] two separate manuals there's a general

[7:47] one for the national New York state has

[7:49] a supplement and how because we are

[7:52] staying it was different from other

[7:53] states so the different criterias we

[7:56] look at one of the criterias is looking

[7:58] at the speed of the traffic John

[8:01] provided me a lot of data regarding

[8:04] speed limits so we look at the 85th

[8:06] percentile speed is one option one one

[8:09] Avenue determine post three that the

[8:11] other factors include the roadway

[8:13] characteristics but how how it functions

[8:15] what's it will function as you look at

[8:17] the development adjacent to the road

[8:19] what is it residential is it a

[8:20] commercial what type of road do we have

[8:22] on-screen parking do we have pedestrian

[8:24] activity and what are the crash history

[8:26] yeah we look at crash data over a

[8:29] certain comparative years to see if

[8:31] there's any data that says people are

[8:34] driving too fast and therefore as a

[8:36] result of the accidents so as far as the

[8:38] roadway conditions I'll walk you through

[8:40] a little bit of what of this so This

[8:42] these photographs that I took they start

[8:45] at the Kings Road bridge heading towards

[8:48] uh Albany Street you can kind of see the

[8:50] basically the road is a Tulane Highway

[8:52] we've got double yellow Center Line with

[8:54] Edge lines the Rope was relatively

[8:56] narrow it's not very very wide according

[8:59] to the statistics that I've got it's

[9:01] about 20 feet wide so this area there's

[9:04] not a lot of pedestrian activities you

[9:05] can tell but if you go to the next

[9:07] photograph

[9:08] which is near the intersection of Queen

[9:11] filamenta Boulevard yeah you see a

[9:13] sidewalk on the east side of the road

[9:15] and the other side is nothing not

[9:17] nothing there as far as pedestrian

[9:19] activity and if you look at the

[9:21] photographs it keeps going down the

[9:23] third one is which 403 is by constant

[9:27] Road as you can see the road is very

[9:29] straight flat there's only one curve uh

[9:32] that's another prior picture by the

[9:35] Kingsway Village that's got an old

[9:37] village sharp curve as a matter of fact

[9:39] you can see a Chevron in one of the

[9:41] photographs but everything is pretty

[9:42] much straight and flat so if you look at

[9:45] photo four this is by the Windermere

[9:48] Road intersection where we have a

[9:49] crosswalk

[9:50] and there's a sign for The Pedestrian

[9:53] Crossing

[9:54] and the last World is but really

[9:56] straight as we get closer to all mystery

[9:58] so I kind of wanted to give you a

[9:59] picture I know I'm sure I'll be familiar

[10:01] with King's robe I think it's nice to

[10:03] give you an overall picture of what the

[10:05] roadway looks like

[10:07] um so as far as the world records is

[10:10] like I said there's two planes of travel

[10:12] each lane is about 10 feet wide one side

[10:15] of the road we have a continuous

[10:16] sidewalk which is five feet wide on the

[10:18] other side is mainly a very little

[10:21] pedestrian activity but there is a

[10:22] section of it

[10:24] um so kind of gives you an idea of how

[10:26] this pedestrian traffic if you will is

[10:28] generated the overall length of King's

[10:30] Road from the bridge to Albany streets

[10:33] about 0.81 miles and one interesting

[10:36] fact is there's roughly around 20 000

[10:39] cars a day that travel on King's Road so

[10:42] it's a high volume traffic and that's

[10:44] why it's kind of the functional

[10:45] classification of the road is called an

[10:47] urban collector Road what that basically

[10:50] means is it does serves two purposes it

[10:53] connects people from within their

[10:55] Community but also has Vehicles going

[10:58] from one area to another then from

[11:00] Rotterdam to State Street and so on so

[11:02] and and looking at the traffic is very

[11:05] much with 20 000 cars day most of them

[11:08] are commuter commuter traffic so there's

[11:10] not a lot of stuff I'm going to attend

[11:12] to go one of the interesting things

[11:13] about Kings Road is

[11:15] there is no control Atkins world the

[11:17] only control is on assessments there's

[11:19] stop signs and all along each side

[11:21] street and of course at the intersection

[11:23] without any Street there's a traffic

[11:25] signal which is the beginning of it so

[11:26] the reason why I bring that up is if

[11:28] you're having fun if you're driving on

[11:30] Kings Road the only time you really need

[11:32] to slow down is if people are turning

[11:34] into a driveway or turning into an

[11:36] intersection for the most part

[11:38] you know it's free flowing when you're

[11:41] looking at the 85th percentile it's been

[11:43] like John gave me traffic data which

[11:45] says the 85th percentile speed is

[11:47] anywhere between 32 and 34 miles per

[11:50] hour and for those of you who don't know

[11:52] any 50 percent top speed is it means

[11:55] like 85 percent of traffic is traveling

[11:57] at that speed or less in traffic

[11:59] engineering that's one of one of the

[12:01] critical factors if you will then be

[12:04] used for roadway design traffic signs

[12:06] and so on but the nice thing about that

[12:10] information is we got that information

[12:12] through John but just remember that that

[12:15] is uh data that collects for every

[12:18] single vehicle so if I'm driving down

[12:21] the road I need to take a right or a

[12:22] left that data that number is collected

[12:25] what we do as Traffic Engineers we do a

[12:27] follow-up study which is which is sort

[12:30] of you you're you follow the vehicles

[12:32] that are traveling that are going from

[12:34] one point to another that don't stop

[12:36] that's because we're talking about

[12:39] free-flowing traffic that's what you

[12:41] base your 85 percent that's been on and

[12:43] I did that on a Saturday for about four

[12:46] hours I followed Cars one direction to

[12:48] follow cars the other direction a 34 or

[12:50] 35 miles per hour seems to be the

[12:53] so the right number so the data that

[12:56] John provided me it was pretty

[12:57] consistent with what I found what I did

[13:00] the did the study

[13:01] so crash history now we we got data for

[13:06] 52 months and I looked at every single

[13:08] police accident report that I was given

[13:10] and I said well why what's what's the

[13:13] per why are we having these actions a

[13:15] lot of it is just drivers are just not

[13:17] careful uh they're you know they're either turning into a driveway

[13:21] they slow down and they had a vehicle

[13:23] behind them doesn't see it but not one

[13:26] traffic accident really uh well I'll

[13:28] take that back there was one accident

[13:30] that was due to a vehicle driving very

[13:33] fast

[13:33] but that vehicle was being chased by the

[13:36] police

[13:37] but every all the other 25 crashes uh

[13:40] there were nothing related to speed

[13:43] um so again when we look at as Traffic

[13:46] Engineers we look at the 850 percentile

[13:48] speed we look at the roadway

[13:49] characteristics which I just mentioned

[13:51] there's also a program that the Federal

[13:53] Highway Administration has developed

[13:56] which kind of uses a several different

[13:58] data and several different accidents

[14:00] several different speeds and that data

[14:03] kind of gives you a sort of recommended

[14:06] speed and based upon that information

[14:08] which is in your in the study it didn't

[14:10] recommend uh lowering this the closest

[14:13] speed limit

[14:14] so when I looked at that road under its

[14:17] current condition

[14:19] um I don't as a traffic engineer I can't

[14:22] recommend anything less than what's out

[14:23] there now

[14:24] uh so I don't recommend going to 25 I

[14:28] recommend keeping it at 30.

[14:30] so I guess I'll open up to questions but

[14:33] uh that was this recommendation from the

[14:35] study it's about me

[14:37] um

[14:38] I tend to agree about the speed limit

[14:40] without enforcement it's kind of

[14:43] meaningless so you mentioned the ability

[14:46] to get cars to stop and are there areas

[14:51] where a stop sign would be beneficial

[14:54] that could interfere with Kings Road yes

[14:57] so in that scenario what we would do is

[15:00] we would not now we have traffic data on

[15:02] the main line we would need to collect

[15:03] traffic being on the side streets and

[15:05] there are certain warrants to put an

[15:07] all-way stop signs I think that's what

[15:08] you're suggesting and we would look into

[15:10] that and I most of those side streets

[15:13] are don't generate a lot of traffic you

[15:15] would think jobs and maybe even a little

[15:17] bit more about the meeting I can tell

[15:19] you my casual view of that you know

[15:21] based on my knowledge of the city for so

[15:23] many years I I would sincerely doubt

[15:26] that any of those intersections would

[15:28] meet the minimum volume requirements for

[15:32] it but we will definitely look into it

[15:34] and see and just just as another thing

[15:36] to say is

[15:37] I know some computers just put up stop

[15:39] signs wherever they want but you have to

[15:42] we have to be very careful because

[15:43] whenever we put an additional like an

[15:45] always stop sign and for some reason

[15:47] it's not warranted and God forbid

[15:49] something gets into a traffic accident

[15:51] then we are liable for putting up a

[15:54] traffic control side that shouldn't be

[15:56] there so we have to be careful of that I

[15:59] wasn't thinking necessarily so much as

[16:00] the intersections as maybe

[16:03] um kind of like Hamburg Street at the at

[16:05] the end of the bridge

[16:07] um that might be an incoming

[16:11] um if that would be a good location or a

[16:13] possibility so that would be by

[16:16] um

[16:16] right

[16:26] that's that's one area where we can

[16:28] collect the side street data and see

[16:30] what

[16:31] super could justify that or not

[16:34] although that's sort of not I mean I

[16:36] think when you're looking at reducing

[16:38] speed sometimes the midpoint is the best

[16:40] place obviously but yeah well obviously

[16:43] without data we can't make a

[16:44] determination right

[16:47] so if you don't recommend us reducing

[16:50] the speed limit to 25 or you know

[16:53] whatever what would be your

[16:55] recommendations for how we can

[16:57] try to yeah one of the returns that our

[17:00] residents have risked yeah um some of

[17:03] the things that we look at as Traffic

[17:05] Engineers we look at various traffic

[17:06] calming measures

[17:08] so I mean some some of the traffic

[17:10] common measures may have seen some some

[17:12] communities they have a Wide Travel Lane

[17:14] they put Edge lines in they reduce the

[17:17] width of the travel Lane we don't have

[17:19] that here the traveling is narrow

[17:20] already I mean it's actually 10 feet

[17:22] which is very narrow I'm getting

[17:24] narrower than we would want right to be

[17:27] honest there is a lot of truck traffic

[17:29] there so as a matter of fact if I don't

[17:31] know if it knows but there's a photo the

[17:33] first one that shows the trucks and you

[17:36] can see that truck is pretty much

[17:37] hugging the travel Lane yeah so that's

[17:39] one option we you know we look at

[17:41] there's a number of different things you

[17:43] can look at you can look at

[17:45] um you know Landscaping possibly adding

[17:48] some trees that are not

[17:50] to a point where they're creating a

[17:52] problem we can look at

[17:55] um

[17:56] speed speed feedback science you know

[17:59] where you put the speed signs up and

[18:00] they tell you how fast you're driving

[18:01] yeah one of the things I know when I

[18:04] juice when I drive those I always slow

[18:05] down yeah but sometimes what happens

[18:07] with people is that if they'll slow down

[18:11] in the beginning but we don't know how

[18:13] effective it is over the long term but

[18:15] that certainly is an option you know we

[18:17] even talked about things like race

[18:18] Crossings like looking at the

[18:20] intersection and possibly raising it up

[18:22] sort of create a I want to call it speed

[18:24] Hub but create a sort of visual change

[18:28] because right now that road is

[18:29] relatively flat and straight if we

[18:31] create some potential uh changes in this

[18:34] geometry unit perhaps that'll slow it

[18:36] down and if you do it for one

[18:38] intersection that really is it that may

[18:40] slow down for that particular

[18:41] instruction but you have to look at a

[18:43] lot so there's other things we can look

[18:45] at and none of these that I mentioned

[18:47] means that we are applicable to this it

[18:50] was something in front of another study

[18:51] looking at different traffic calling

[18:53] measures

[18:55] yeah

[18:56] and uh thank you madam president we're

[18:58] the discussion is focused somewhat on

[19:02] King's Road

[19:04] we get feedback across the city so you

[19:09] know some of this is what you can do at

[19:12] Kings Road what you can't do there uh

[19:15] are the things that we should look to do

[19:17] on Kings Road but there would also be

[19:20] applicable at other places throughout

[19:23] the city and

[19:25] you know there's the feeder road is am I

[19:30] using the correct term Peter streets or

[19:31] roads uh you know the main ones and how

[19:35] do we balance that where you know we

[19:37] want traffic to move in a safe and

[19:39] efficient manner but but at the same

[19:41] time we don't want people

[19:43] using poor judgment where they're

[19:46] speeding and how do we get that

[19:48] across in terms of design teachers

[19:51] signage

[19:52] enforcement

[19:54] and just general education of the public

[19:58] I mean there's certain some things maybe

[19:59] when you do in the city's website we can

[20:02] certainly uh provide some of the

[20:05] information because driver behavior is

[20:06] what really what we're talking about

[20:08] people will drive fast because it's

[20:10] straight it's flat

[20:12] um and some people are good then you

[20:14] know they don't use it but for the most

[20:16] part that's what happens so we can

[20:18] possibly put some information on the

[20:19] website hopefully the city of residents

[20:21] will look at that and say hey this is

[20:23] some of the issues for example I've got

[20:25] there's a study that says if you're

[20:27] driving 30 miles per hour and you hit a

[20:30] person

[20:31] there's a 45 chance that person is going

[20:34] to not make it right but if that driver

[20:36] is driving 25 right

[20:38] instead of 30 there's a greater chance

[20:41] that person is going to make and he's

[20:43] going to get hurt he or she but they're

[20:45] not good enough so that's the kind of

[20:47] data we can certainly put on the city's

[20:49] website that would be helpful and

[20:50] beneficial uh

[20:52] I don't see why not right and maybe I

[20:54] don't know about the motor vehicles if

[20:56] we if we share that data with them as

[20:59] well so whenever somebody comes in and

[21:01] wants to get a license you know as part

[21:04] of that perhaps that information could

[21:06] be given to them it's always good it's

[21:09] just we have to keep we have to have

[21:10] people understand what the ramifications

[21:13] are whenever they drive it too fast and

[21:15] they hit something specifically a

[21:16] pedestrian or a bicyclist

[21:20] and so that may be an option

[21:23] um so right now you well let me just say

[21:26] that you both you and Mr paluccio said

[21:28] that that was like third between 32 and

[21:30] 34 and I think some of us have gotten

[21:33] um information from from residents

[21:35] they're using a handheld speed yeah I

[21:39] don't know what you call it okay

[21:41] um to and it's like registering in 40.

[21:43] so it's can you well yeah when we talk

[21:45] about 85th percentile speed we're saying

[21:48] that people at 85 percent of traffic is

[21:50] traveling at that speed or less and if

[21:52] we look at the traveling data that John

[21:54] provided there's certainly people are

[21:55] driving through 40

[21:57] 45. but the problem is you can't design

[22:00] for that kind of a you know or you can't

[22:03] put traffic signs based on that you have

[22:06] to you know you have to assume based

[22:07] upon 85 percent of traffic no less like

[22:10] for somebody may drive 100 miles per

[22:11] hour you're not going to design a road

[22:13] for that that's the kind of theory

[22:15] behind it so that's where the male

[22:16] uniform traffic control device is it's

[22:18] important because it's a specific

[22:21] standard that's used Nationwide so we're

[22:23] not doing anything special here before

[22:25] yeah just clear this up though yeah if

[22:27] the speed data came back and said that

[22:30] the average 85th percentile speed on the

[22:32] road was 45 yes

[22:35] would you recommend reducing it to 25

[22:37] yeah

[22:39] that's more we have to you have to

[22:43] reduce the speed to be able to meet the

[22:45] American can reduce the speed to get the

[22:48] outcome that it's reverse of what you'd

[22:50] like to think right you'd be looking for

[22:52] it because if they're driving that fast

[22:54] there's no way they were going to be

[22:56] able to get them down to that speed

[22:58] because people drive out of speed

[23:00] they're comfortable at right and that's

[23:02] part of the issue and just so you know

[23:05] I'll get a timeline space study for the

[23:07] East Greenbush and we had the same

[23:09] issues right right so the end result was

[23:13] you know on residential streets meaning

[23:16] like if I I was raised in cusoe Avenue

[23:20] Bay you know between van break and

[23:23] Avenue and Avenue a or Avenue B we got

[23:25] blocks of streets that are not very long

[23:28] you're not very early you're going to

[23:30] get people to drive from one one to

[23:32] another at that rate of speed at 35.4

[23:34] they're going to drive slower so those

[23:36] are the type of streets that I think the

[23:38] city should think consider potentially

[23:40] reducing the postal speed limit from 30

[23:42] to 25. but whenever you're looking at a

[23:45] collector Road where you have you know

[23:46] fifteen twenty thousand cars going from

[23:48] one point to another uh it makes it it

[23:52] makes it difficult I think they need to

[23:54] consider it so in a screen Bush we

[23:56] looked at all the residential streets

[23:57] that's and we said okay we got traffic

[24:00] data similar to a job providing me here

[24:02] and the 85th percentile speed and was

[24:05] anywhere between 25 and 30 miles per

[24:07] hour so it kind of made sense but

[24:10] whenever there's Collective rows in the

[24:11] town of course there's State highways we

[24:13] didn't have any jurisdiction

[24:16] um so that's kind of the the logic

[24:18] behind that and I think we may want to

[24:20] consider that here as well

[24:24] so next steps in general one other

[24:27] question that I had was just did you

[24:28] want to do the data from the other

[24:31] couple of streets that you mentioned

[24:32] rugby or something so we do have some

[24:36] data that we collected from Albany

[24:38] Street and from Rugby Road

[24:40] um to be quite honest with you there

[24:42] were some outliers that they gave us

[24:44] that I wasn't happy with

[24:47] um but I I can tell you overall the

[24:49] Rugby Road I think the 85th percentile

[24:52] was about 32 33 miles per hour 233 miles

[24:56] an hour and Albany Street I think was a

[24:59] little higher a little higher right I

[25:00] was in the four I think it was all four

[25:02] days it might even have been 40 miles an

[25:03] hour and I just saw the data yesterday

[25:05] and and I did look at rugby I'm familiar

[25:07] Rugby Road Rugby Road is basically 36

[25:10] foot wide from Curb to curb and you

[25:13] can't park on both sides of the road as

[25:15] you know

[25:16] so there's some there may be some minor

[25:18] things we could do to potentially reduce

[25:20] the speed on that like for example if we

[25:22] decided to put double yellow center

[25:25] lines and Edge lines because think about

[25:27] it in front of it it's 36 feet wide and

[25:29] that's 10 o'clock in the morning

[25:30] nobody's parked on the road you've got a

[25:33] wide payment but if we somehow

[25:35] channelize that if you will some people

[25:37] will stay within the lane there's a

[25:39] possibility that they're going to drive

[25:40] a little slower 10 miles per hour slower

[25:42] I don't know but that's the kind of

[25:44] thing maybe that's that and that is by

[25:46] the way uh not a local Road it's not a

[25:49] collector room so it's one of those

[25:51] streets where in my mind as a traffic

[25:53] engineer I would say that may be a good

[25:55] possibility but we got to do something

[25:56] we can't believe it the way it is and

[25:58] expect people to drive at 25 miles per

[26:00] hour so the treatment that we would look

[26:03] at for roads are based on their

[26:06] characteristics right now why they are

[26:08] what kind of traffic that they

[26:10] um cover you know turning vehicle

[26:13] movements might be something we want to

[26:15] look at to see you know what we can do

[26:18] maybe bump outs maybe you know different

[26:20] things that we can look at but it's

[26:22] based on the individual uh

[26:24] characteristics whereas the Kings Road

[26:26] as far as the you know the right-of-way

[26:29] there were somewhat limited with what we

[26:32] have I think all Industries actually

[26:35] functions in Atlanta arterial which is a

[26:38] pretty high functionality and I don't

[26:40] think you're going to get a screen it's

[26:41] connected as a higher function except

[26:43] maybe State Street but that's got a lot

[26:46] of traffic and there's a lot of people

[26:48] going from one point to another now so

[26:50] that would be very difficult to consider

[26:52] reducing the 25 miles per hour

[26:55] Mr Walling you oh all right you talked

[26:58] about um putting in there was on the

[26:59] crosswalk that was going to go in are we

[27:01] talking about the same crosswalk here or

[27:03] were you talking about that actually

[27:04] another one there is a new crosswalk

[27:07] that we're looking to put in and I

[27:09] believe it what picture of the picture I

[27:12] believe

[27:15] it

[27:16] so right around the curve area of the

[27:19] picture too right uh by the Kingsway

[27:21] Village sign at a queen film man oh

[27:25] right here yeah um cross Kings there

[27:28] that's one that's the location that

[27:29] we're looking to put in but essentially

[27:31] is a mid block so that crosswalk there

[27:34] will have a 388 Rams two at the corner

[27:37] one uh Kings Where the Sidewalk is we'll

[27:40] have to ramp down we'll have crosswalk

[27:42] signs pointing then we'll have 100 feet

[27:45] away crosswalk ahead signs

[27:49] while it is new we're gonna have Flags

[27:53] um the flags will be on there or people

[27:55] of being a new Crossing

[27:57] um so that's what we're looking at at

[27:59] this time Cowan ends up in the mobilize

[28:01] action in the next couple of weeks and

[28:03] that area is getting paid for new

[28:04] filming and all that so it's going to be

[28:06] part of that program so yeah that is one

[28:09] of the things that we are doing

[28:10] hopefully something more visual try to

[28:13] break up the monotony the flatness there

[28:15] yeah

[28:16] of that I mean just the issue with this

[28:19] is uh you know I spoke about it last

[28:21] time you talked about the the three E's

[28:23] of Education enforcement and Engineering

[28:26] um the engineering on this particular

[28:28] road is hard because of we already have

[28:31] what would be an engineered roadway we

[28:33] have curves we have narrow Lanes we have

[28:36] strong Street trees on the side we have

[28:39] a low speed limit you know but we're

[28:41] fighting it's flat it's straight and uh

[28:44] and it is a 20 000 car a day uh you know

[28:47] collector so we're fighting that now to

[28:50] rugby Craig Street would be an example

[28:52] you know those streets are more of a

[28:55] canvas that haven't had any investment

[28:56] in them they're wide we're looking to do

[28:59] treatments there to try to reduce speeds

[29:01] there as well but we don't have

[29:03] that afternoon here but this is already

[29:05] you know this is already kind of you

[29:07] know what we would want to make it and

[29:09] you know that was it sounds uh it sounds

[29:12] odd to say that you know we have a an

[29:14] issue with speeds being a little high

[29:15] and I want to put in trees but you know

[29:18] the idea is it's already an area Court

[29:20] how can we make it feel narrower you

[29:21] know how can we make people do it

[29:23] um you know I know someone may ask you

[29:25] know uh speed bumps D tables

[29:28] um vibrations I have gotten multiple

[29:30] complaints from residents on this

[29:32] stretch about vibrations there is trucks

[29:34] on this stretch when you introduce

[29:36] something like that you're going to

[29:38] introduce more vibration and and more of

[29:41] that this is also a route that I would

[29:43] deem as

[29:44] emergency but it's a critical route like

[29:47] Fred was saying it's not a local route

[29:49] it's not something that if you want the

[29:50] traffic to go onto a road we would like

[29:52] to go on to Kings we would hate to have

[29:54] somebody say I'm not going to drive on

[29:56] Kings I'm going to drive on the

[29:57] neighboring streets and the residential

[29:59] streets now you have people cutting

[30:01] through because if you were to go with

[30:02] the blocks over those are very long

[30:04] extreme streets as well so someone will

[30:06] be coming down Albany they'll take that

[30:08] left they'll go down the residential

[30:09] street to avoid the you know the traffic

[30:12] calming devices that we would have put

[30:14] and they come out of McDonald's so it's

[30:16] not a lot of alternative routes to take

[30:18] that are comparable to Kim's room either

[30:21] right that's one of the issues and why

[30:23] we have it's a volume really if you

[30:25] think about it that is part of the issue

[30:27] right the 20 000 Vehicles a thing uh an

[30:31] odd thing that could occur I mean maybe

[30:34] naturally is that we were talking this

[30:37] road will close essentially the bridge

[30:39] will close January 15th and be closed

[30:42] for a period of nine months

[30:44] um alternate routes will be marked and

[30:46] need to be seen maybe as a result

[30:49] traffic will stay even if it was 10 20

[30:53] percent that would be a significant

[30:55] amount that would seek can stay on the

[30:57] alternate routes I don't know

[30:59] um conversely you will have a new bridge

[31:01] so maybe people will feel that they can

[31:03] drive over the new bridge but for uh for

[31:06] those nine months the road will be I'm

[31:08] guessing it will be very quiet for

[31:10] people on King's Road as that would

[31:12] become essentially a dead neighborhoods

[31:16] at the crosswalk just um I know that we

[31:19] can't do stop signs or any of that stuff

[31:21] but is there any way that we could put a

[31:23] traffic device like a flashing light

[31:25] just to make people aware that people

[31:26] are crossing here because what we're

[31:28] hearing from residents is that people

[31:30] that's it's dangerous to cross so when

[31:33] if that's an opportunity if we're going

[31:35] to be putting it across logs just let

[31:36] people know I understand about well it

[31:38] doesn't sound like there's a lot of room

[31:39] even for that little yeah they're

[31:41] definitely gonna look at it it is

[31:43] possible but like you just said the

[31:45] right of way it's very limited there so

[31:47] you have to take a look and see if we

[31:49] actually have the real estate there to

[31:51] do that

[32:02] [Applause]

[32:08] and now you're getting you know a sign

[32:10] being back are we there can you keep the

[32:13] sidewalk clear you know there's a lot of

[32:15] things it's similarly uh on Broadway we

[32:18] used to have a flashing rapid beacon on

[32:20] Broadway

[32:21] um with the constraints of the new ones

[32:23] we couldn't fit a new one there which is

[32:24] why we had to go to the side location so

[32:27] they're not the end-all be-all they

[32:29] can't just you know be thrown in we

[32:30] aren't going to look at it they do make

[32:32] solar ones that are available so we did

[32:36] discuss looking into it okay yeah like

[32:38] this is a it's going to be like a

[32:39] typical side you'd see at the crosswalk

[32:41] yeah but we can certainly put Flags

[32:44] around it just there's another visual

[32:45] launch blocks are good because the

[32:47] visibility you can see them at night so

[32:49] there's little things like that we could

[32:51] do will that will that slow traffic down

[32:53] well let's hope

[32:54] so

[32:57] Miss Patrick

[32:59] well I mean we've been talking about

[33:01] this for you know since forever

[33:04] um it was it early last summer I think

[33:06] of 2022 where you know we have a meeting

[33:08] here with

[33:09] the chief Now assistant chief Whipple as

[33:12] well talking about the enforcement piece

[33:14] we had some ideas there

[33:17] um Mr Paul Minnie brought up all sorts

[33:19] of ways of using some of our technology

[33:21] on our traffic signals you know that

[33:23] kind of thing um at some point I can't

[33:25] remember when that was but looking at

[33:27] those traffic calming measures as well

[33:29] certainly bringing this up when we did

[33:32] bring it up we I never thought that we

[33:34] were going to be doing it throughout the

[33:35] city it really was about you know in

[33:38] terms of the 25 mile per hour it was

[33:40] just gosh we're all getting

[33:43] calls from residents all the time we got

[33:46] to figure out something that's going to

[33:47] help try to control behavior and um it

[33:50] does come down to the behavior to me I

[33:52] agree that I think that it's an

[33:54] Enforcement issue a lot of times

[33:56] um so how do we you know put limited

[33:58] Staffing there

[34:00] um figure something out as well when

[34:01] there's other you know issues that

[34:04] um end up taking priority for our for

[34:06] our police force so I guess I'm just

[34:08] looking for you know sort of

[34:11] we can't do something overall but these

[34:14] recommendations that we've all been

[34:16] making now for a while I just want to be

[34:20] able to try to have

[34:22] not closure necessarily it's always

[34:24] going to have to be reevaluated but but

[34:26] we did talk about the potential to use

[34:28] cameras for speed control

[34:33] legislation was requested from the state

[34:36] on that I know did that ever happen or

[34:38] not sure if that ever happened or not

[34:40] but yeah I think that's what one of the

[34:43] things that we need to happen before we

[34:45] could even evaluate it was for us to be

[34:48] able to come become legally allowed to

[34:51] do that

[34:53] Miss Williams oh so I wonder firstly

[34:55] would thank you for gathering this data

[34:57] I think oftentimes when I request this

[34:59] type of information regardless of the

[35:00] outcome I think it's important to

[35:01] understand that it has a certain

[35:03] expectation or a

[35:05] certain amount of hours that it takes to

[35:07] compile this information so I appreciate

[35:08] you having this uh definitely I

[35:10] understand from a data standpoint the 85

[35:12] percentile you have to stay within like

[35:15] that sort of framework to understand how

[35:17] to implement the right decision but I

[35:18] think it's also important to highlight

[35:19] that further residents that doesn't

[35:21] accurately assess the The Growing Pains

[35:24] or the lived experience that they're

[35:26] dealing with so similar to miss

[35:27] Patrick's Point I know you highlighted

[35:29] some potential measures that we could

[35:31] Implement I think there was three of

[35:33] them this speed feedback signs planting

[35:36] trees and the repayment repainting of

[35:39] the rides I I can imagine being a

[35:41] resident area like planting trees might

[35:43] not sound like a real estate solution

[35:46] but I think if it's within the scope of

[35:48] your practice saying that this is an

[35:51] available option for us can you give us

[35:53] a potential timeline for implementing

[35:54] either of those three if not into

[35:56] accounting

[35:58] I mean I guess the part of the reason

[36:01] why betrays are are part of a traffic

[36:03] conversation as you all know when you're

[36:05] driving along the road you see as you

[36:07] just want to know about implementing yes

[36:09] sir yeah so uh we can look at it and for

[36:13] the video counting will be on site you

[36:15] know Callahan does have any Striker and

[36:17] you have a company that does Landscaping

[36:19] through them so we can evaluate it

[36:22] um you know we would have to look uh

[36:24] some of the locations would have to be

[36:26] identified make sure they're not in

[36:27] conflict with utilities and to make sure

[36:28] the right way is there but we're open I

[36:31] mean like the crosswalk is going to

[36:33] happen we're going to look into the uh

[36:36] solar and some of those other things but

[36:37] we we won't we don't have to sit on this

[36:40] it's just you know it's something that

[36:42] Fred luckily is uh here to assist us as

[36:46] in lieu of staff so to speak

[36:48] um so you know he's been helping a lot

[36:50] kind of just to give him credit he's

[36:51] been helping us with North College which

[36:54] is you know the yeoman's effort to work

[36:56] down there on The Stockade and get that

[36:59] done so that's been going well um so I

[37:01] think you know him and I are up to the

[37:03] task of implementing this I think we can

[37:05] do something now is the planting season

[37:07] if we were actually applying tree so

[37:09] we'd want to hop on that but we could

[37:10] look at it

[37:11] with Clifton Park they've stopped quite

[37:14] a number of

[37:15] rrsps they're called the rapid

[37:18] reflective uh Flash and beacons where

[37:21] pedestrians would walk up to it it's it doesn't stay on doesn't there

[37:26] are some that just continue blinking

[37:28] what happens with that people just

[37:30] ignore them so it's not going to

[37:31] pedestrian is coming close to it they

[37:34] should push the button when they push

[37:36] the button that thing flashes and those

[37:39] are really effective right my opinion

[37:41] that may be an option here too for the

[37:43] other classroom and make it on soil

[37:45] which is great because it's much smaller

[37:47] through exactly yeah you're probably

[37:49] looking at anywhere 10 to 15 000 per

[37:51] intersection it's not those but that's

[37:54] another traffic calming measure that

[37:56] they could so you can consider

[37:59] so basically we're down in the

[38:01] behavioral change or enforcement yeah so

[38:04] several years ago there was a study I

[38:06] believe an engineering study at uh I

[38:08] think in Sweden

[38:11] um basically they created this system

[38:13] where the crate behavioral change they

[38:16] had a monitor got the speed limit if you

[38:19] did the speed limit you were entered

[38:20] into a lottery if you weren't you got a

[38:23] ticket that money was used to fund the

[38:25] lottery

[38:26] um

[38:27] could that be something you could look

[38:29] into as perhaps something that we might

[38:31] be able to use on certain avenues like

[38:34] state or Airy Boulevard

[38:37] so I have to find out more about it but

[38:40] I promise

[38:41] the state legislation allowing some of

[38:46] that as well right but it doesn't make

[38:47] sense to move forward if you don't think

[38:49] it's a yeah I think driver behavior is

[38:52] huge is somehow we can go to motor

[38:54] vehicles and all these places that you

[38:56] know especially when they're young when

[38:58] you're a young person and you're getting

[38:59] your license you've got to figure out a

[39:01] way to wrote it it's not just about you know it's about the rest of the

[39:05] public how can we get people to slow

[39:06] down please I mean enforcement is

[39:09] obviously a big part of it but you know

[39:11] we all know there's no way we're going

[39:12] to be able to enforce every single Road

[39:14] in the city's connect we just don't have

[39:15] the you know the resources so the

[39:18] behavior is huge and I'll I probably

[39:20] shouldn't say this but I'll say it as an

[39:22] individual when I you know again it's

[39:26] attractive it doesn't reflect on

[39:28] anything we've done but I see a speed

[39:30] limit sign I see 30 miles per hour

[39:32] because what I'm going to do was

[39:35] everybody how fast you're gonna drive

[39:40] 35.39 because you know at 39 you're not

[39:44] going to get full coverage you go 40.

[39:48] well I think but you don't have to you

[39:51] shouldn't do that but that's what people

[39:52] think

[39:53] and I think that's what we've seen in

[39:55] the studies

[39:56] per hour um speed limit and especially

[39:59] around The Pedestrian deaths that it

[40:01] does seem to look make people go a

[40:03] little bit you know that even that five

[40:05] miles slower

[40:07] um

[40:08] uh bring it down the only other thing I

[40:10] just want to say before we move on our

[40:13] other people talk but

[40:14] um is the fact that with some of this

[40:16] stuff I mean I would think that there's

[40:18] probably some immediacy around the

[40:19] budget planning for 2024 as well so

[40:23] um I think we're going to need to know

[40:24] some of these um pieces that you guys

[40:27] have brought up and as Paul many has

[40:29] talked about you know

[40:31] unfortunately pretty quickly or even if

[40:34] there is an enforcement piece so and one

[40:37] of the things I was going to point out

[40:38] and this is engineer hat just to bring

[40:41] you into our world on it it is called

[40:43] the manual of uniform traffic control

[40:45] devices and I don't think that people

[40:48] appreciate those signs and how those

[40:51] signs get into place especially in a

[40:53] city you tend to get a little

[40:55] ordered out with signs and things you

[40:57] have a lot for if you were to uh you

[40:59] know go I don't think we're at this

[41:01] level yet but go to Stanton County

[41:02] Saratoga counties and the counties and

[41:05] look at a sign and look at the back of

[41:07] that sign and one of the new policies

[41:09] that all the counties are doing is each

[41:11] sign is GPS barcoded scanned and marked

[41:15] into a system because those signs need

[41:17] to be specific distances specific

[41:20] locations as it turns into that

[41:22] intersection that you know how far away

[41:25] is it school bus areas schools of

[41:28] everything is now now they're actually

[41:29] gising everything in the county level

[41:32] because those Signs Now are

[41:34] it's a traffic control device it is not

[41:37] a speed control measure it is not a it's

[41:40] not something that you just will you

[41:41] know you know put down because you're

[41:43] right right everybody probably sitting

[41:44] in this room is thinking what we're

[41:46] going to do on Kings Road is we're going

[41:47] to lower the speed limit to 25 and just

[41:49] like Fred said everyone's going to drive

[41:51] six miles an hour over that now we're

[41:53] going to drive 31 we did something

[41:56] but that's not how we can put that sign

[41:58] there so you have to do the study you

[42:01] have to find this and if you have you

[42:02] have to reduce it so now it's okay if

[42:04] you want to do that how do we keep

[42:06] reducing the speed but at some point you

[42:10] run out and then you say well even if

[42:12] you want to make it one way let's just

[42:14] say in a magical world holy God that

[42:16] road is going to be twice as fast now

[42:18] you know and then you're going to get

[42:19] that that actually having two-way makes

[42:21] it slower right so there's only so much

[42:24] that we can get to but I just wanted to

[42:25] point out that sometimes when it comes

[42:27] with a signage I think sometimes people

[42:29] don't appreciate for that that manual

[42:32] that's the size of a phone book and that

[42:33] supplemental that's the size of a

[42:34] smaller home and the county doesn't have

[42:36] a refraction of the signs that we have

[42:39] in the city which is for the right

[42:40] person oh that's that's one of the

[42:42] reasons but it's it's that important

[42:43] stuff because they want to get those measurements

[42:48] you're an engineer for a reason the same

[42:51] reason why I'm not an engineer so I

[42:53] think it's important when we're seeking

[42:54] your judgment or feedback that we're

[42:56] actually eating I definitely understand

[42:58] that there are considerations from other

[43:00] municipalities uh and I think getting

[43:02] your opinion on those helps but looking

[43:06] back at those three recommendations you

[43:08] had similar to miss Patrick what do we

[43:11] need to do as a council president

[43:12] Quarterfield or Mr Mayor it's an

[43:15] expedite getting quotes for those

[43:17] because truly I think if you're

[43:19] listening to members this one

[43:21] portion of our community highlighting

[43:23] that this is an issue but also for Point

[43:26] Clarity you're not suggesting not

[43:29] lowering speed limits in other areas you

[43:31] just are waiting to have that data to

[43:33] accurately understand what to yeah

[43:36] so I know so I want to be clear the

[43:40] crosswalk is already planned right right

[43:42] and already funded as well yes okay so

[43:45] for the other items we're talking about

[43:46] would we you would have to actually plan

[43:48] that and and do budget that is that

[43:52] correct or if there's anything there

[43:56] oh oh I love that

[44:01] well we can talk about others all right

[44:04] let's stay here let's stay here

[44:05] so planting trees and striping all that

[44:08] doesn't take anything no there's not

[44:09] much

[44:10] of that

[44:15] things always come up during the year

[44:18] that we want to do things like this for

[44:21] um it's just getting the contractor on

[44:23] board finding locations and the

[44:25] coordination of it myself

[44:27] now that being said one of the things

[44:29] that we did talk about was like

[44:33] more city-wide 25 mile per hour actually

[44:36] looking at it there would be a

[44:38] repercussions

[44:40] the potential need for additional

[44:43] dollars receiving between

[44:45] if that happened right and the other

[44:47] thing is when you look at what gets done

[44:49] there you say hey we love that we wanted

[44:51] 50 other places then there'll be some

[44:53] budget uh considerations right correct

[44:56] same thing with

[44:58] um you know

[44:59] doing something like all morning did

[45:01] where they would do a lot of traffic

[45:02] control devices in their own area I mean

[45:04] that was a million dollar

[45:06] a focus in an area that's a that's a

[45:08] separate animal so to speak that's not a

[45:10] small isolated project I guess all right

[45:13] so we're doing crosswalk and then you'll yeah Fred and I will look into

[45:17] that and walk forward and maybe

[45:19] we're also yeah we're going to go out we

[45:21] want we want to check some other things

[45:22] we want to see uh in the picture one of

[45:24] the things we were noticing is we really

[45:26] want to make sure psych distance is if

[45:28] there's any Shrubbery or anything in the

[45:29] right way if we could trim it to try to

[45:31] make sure all of our lines are there

[45:33] yeah we're not we're not saying that

[45:35] that's it but we just want to make sure

[45:37] that thank you it's worth getting as

[45:38] much as we can

[45:43] however if a tree is greater than four

[45:46] inches in diameter guess what it's

[45:48] called obstruction so the vehicle hits

[45:50] that

[45:51] there's it's just replication so we have

[45:53] to make sure that we pull select trees

[45:55] and we're not selecting trees that are

[45:57] going to grow and create a problem on

[45:59] another problem if you will so that's

[46:01] something we can talk about yeah and how

[46:03] soon could speak feedback signs be put

[46:05] in

[46:06] well PG has few feedback signs and I

[46:09] think they've had them up I think yeah I

[46:12] think and they did say that they were

[46:13] one of the issues is they do

[46:15] they work and then they kind of slowly

[46:18] fade as people get used to them so I can

[46:19] talk with a chief website about playing

[46:21] this from back up

[46:23] I sent both of you the video if you want

[46:27] if you could pass out to him if you want

[46:29] this actual paper just let me know and I

[46:32] also recommend uh reaching out to uh

[46:35] Jose Olivares at RPI one of the best

[46:39] civil engineers in the world we worked

[46:41] on the congestion pricing down in New

[46:43] York and Grand Central Station he might

[46:45] have some ideas too that maybe we're not

[46:47] thinking of

[46:56] three-dimensional hole I don't know

[46:59] about that

[47:00] all right any other questions

[47:06] thank you for coming thank you thank you

[47:09] John thanks Chris

[47:13] all right the um bcni proposal has been

[47:16] full from is being pulled from the

[47:18] agenda yes sir

[47:22] I'd like to call to order City

[47:24] development and planning and we will

[47:26] start with the follow-up on the Arca

[47:28] contract with Carter

[47:41] thank you

[47:45] um I am giving an update on our funded

[47:48] arfa applications and currently we have

[47:51] six sub-recipients that are pending

[47:54] pre-cons pre-contractual

[47:58] um agreements required documents that

[48:00] need submission right now pre-market has

[48:03] met all of those requirements and that

[48:05] is pending submission for corporate

[48:08] Council review we have the Habitat for

[48:10] Humanity they are still currently

[48:12] missing majority of their documents

[48:14] we've only received the application a

[48:16] budget and two projects project

[48:18] abstracts

[48:20] um have reached out to Habitat so we are

[48:22] currently are working or retrieving the

[48:24] additional documents we have Hamilton

[48:26] Hill Arts Center they are 99 ready to go

[48:29] they are just missing their most recent

[48:31] audit and proof of the insurance

[48:33] coverage

[48:35] um the Boys and Girls Club is missing

[48:37] most of their documents we have only

[48:39] received the application the site plan

[48:41] and the budget and then we have the seat

[48:45] Center they are you know they're almost

[48:47] there they're just missing their

[48:49] conflict of interest policy drug free

[48:52] workplace policy anti-discrimination

[48:54] policy whistleblower and promising

[48:57] um sustainable plan post art book so

[48:59] contact has been made

[49:01] um and we are actively working to get

[49:03] the remainder of the documents and in

[49:04] the coming weeks

[49:06] thank you all right so all the other

[49:09] ones that you're not talking about

[49:10] tonight are already they have everything

[49:12] they need yes I will um Madam president

[49:15] go back and check these are the ones

[49:17] that were given to me by Anthony to do

[49:19] active follow-up but I will go back to

[49:21] the Cross RTS and um dot our eyes okay

[49:23] and I know that bcni is not coming back

[49:26] so we'll talk in the future uh about

[49:29] what's going to happen with that yes

[49:31] there are any questions about any

[49:33] particular projects anyone

[49:36] thank you all right thank you thank you

[49:40] I know that everyone did get a follow-up

[49:43] got follow-up information from the

[49:46] electricity Co-op I think that probably

[49:48] came today

[49:50] um and we also um the YWCA as well

[49:54] and

[49:56] um they both

[49:58] well they both said they um Wanted

[50:00] extensions and additionally we were

[50:02] talking about additional funding but we

[50:04] would have to review those documents and

[50:06] then discuss what the additional funding

[50:08] could possibly look like but that that

[50:09] discussion would not happen tonight but

[50:12] I'd ask that you would review

[50:14] um so we can we can have that discussion

[50:17] on the next Maybe

[50:20] hey

[50:22] um Mr Wong call for public hearing

[50:30] so this is a call for problems here in

[50:32] the state to modify J Street between

[50:35] Liberty Street and Union Street from a

[50:38] one-way Street to a two-way street this

[50:41] is part of the city's plan to better

[50:45] connect downtown to Little Italy and

[50:48] Mohawk Harbor it's tied in with the dri

[50:51] project which we are starting design

[50:53] with this year we're working with our

[50:56] consultant as we speak on scope and fee

[50:58] Department of State have signed off so

[51:01] far there's another partner that we're

[51:03] working on so this is his first stage

[51:05] why we were waiting is the psap project

[51:07] which has been going on you've noticed

[51:09] the signals have been sitting dormant

[51:10] for quite some time as we wait for

[51:12] components the components are in John

[51:15] has the signals working as of yesterday

[51:18] four of the five are working they are

[51:20] now coordinated they

[51:22] um

[51:22] PSAT program which was State safety

[51:25] funding was able to replace

[51:27] five outdated signals with new hardware

[51:30] new units John has them all hooked up to

[51:33] fiber they're coordinating with each

[51:35] other so it's really a great thing for

[51:37] the downtown and what we're ready to do

[51:40] is call for public hearing and do this

[51:42] and then when it is done we will strike

[51:45] the road and open it up two-way for the

[51:48] one block and in anticipation in the

[51:50] future you'll be able to drive from this

[51:52] location straight to notch Street

[52:01] any questions

[52:03] [Music]

[52:07] I think there's gonna be parking on one

[52:09] side I think parking on the post office

[52:11] side the only real modifications I do

[52:14] have to work with the post office this

[52:15] is a tricky thing I'm gonna have to

[52:16] reach out to them but it's it's

[52:18] difficult to say this is what it is it

[52:20] technically has not passed yet but uh

[52:23] they have a mailbox I'm sure you're well

[52:25] aware of it that you would drive up to

[52:26] and now we'll be on the other side of

[52:28] the street so they'd have to remove that

[52:30] drive up mailbox that's really the only

[52:32] big change and I'm sure a lot of people

[52:33] such as myself are used to that mailbox

[52:37] absolutely

[52:39] any other questions

[52:41] second all in favor all right thank you

[52:44] Mr wall thank you

[52:46] okay item number three is discussion uh

[52:48] to amend resolution 2014-144

[52:51] um

[52:52] just regarding their desolate uh the

[52:55] solution of the Schenectady local

[52:57] Development Corporation we talked about

[52:59] this a couple weeks ago back in 2014 the

[53:04] there was a resolution pass resolution

[53:06] 2014 144.

[53:08] and it's the sldc which was a

[53:11] organization that did small loans to did

[53:14] loans to small businesses dissolved and

[53:18] when it dissolved there was a resolution

[53:19] pass that

[53:21] um gave the responsibility of taking

[53:24] care of the outstanding loans and

[53:25] mortgages to the city council

[53:28] but

[53:29] and then the mayor would you know sign

[53:31] any documents but the city council does

[53:33] not have that's an administrative

[53:34] function the city council does not have

[53:36] administrative abilities so at this

[53:39] point in time I'm bringing forward that

[53:40] we amend that resolution to that we um

[53:44] actually turn those those duties over to

[53:46] the city because there are some

[53:48] outstanding loans and mortgages that we

[53:50] could collect on

[53:53] any questions

[53:58] so if there are no questions and the

[54:01] information's in your packet then

[54:03] doesn't say the motion that we have to

[54:04] do that

[54:06] all's a favor okay thank you

[54:11] four is a ceremonial Resolution For

[54:13] Suicide Prevention month

[54:15] September Suicide Prevention month and

[54:17] uh I'd like to come in to recognize to

[54:20] you know keep that awareness and have

[54:22] invited uh Police Department fire

[54:24] department also a local organization

[54:32] uh item number five uh resolution

[54:35] recognized in September 15th to October

[54:37] 15th is it's been Heritage Month Mr

[54:40] Williams thank you so between the days

[54:43] of September 15th and October 15th I'll

[54:45] go around Hispanic uh definitely taking

[54:48] the time to appreciate the contributions

[54:49] that this community has made not only to

[54:51] our countries more specifically to our

[54:53] community I think is important

[55:02] the next item on our agenda is to

[55:04] discuss the Zoning for cannabis

[55:06] dispensaries

[55:07] vape shop we have been talking about

[55:10] this and

[55:11] um

[55:12] the other left command meaning asked all

[55:15] council members to students go to the

[55:17] law office and have a discussion in

[55:19] terms of what

[55:21] how we would want to see this

[55:24] um zoning within the city so I know some

[55:26] council members were able to make it and

[55:28] others weren't however at this point in

[55:30] time the law department is ready to

[55:32] provide us some information about their

[55:34] recommendation sure and I know certain

[55:37] Council people have reached like reached

[55:39] out and were not able to connect with a

[55:42] law department and obviously we're still

[55:44] around to answer any questions you have

[55:47] and talk about recommendations that we

[55:50] have

[55:51] um I think the general consensus from

[55:54] the folks that and I know some of you

[55:56] met with Deputy Court Council Marnie to

[55:59] discuss zoning

[56:02] um and and recommendations

[56:06] I think generally

[56:09] um and I don't want to mischaracterize

[56:12] um from the people I've spoken with

[56:15] um seems as if most people agree that an

[56:19] overlay is best suited for the purposes

[56:22] of

[56:24] um

[56:25] Zoning for these types of businesses I

[56:28] know

[56:29] um

[56:30] at least one person has said that

[56:32] they're like this these types of

[56:34] businesses to be located in

[56:36] um one or two different types of uh

[56:39] current zoning districts rather than

[56:41] doing an overlay

[56:43] um

[56:44] the recommendation from the law

[56:45] department has been you know an overlay

[56:49] makes sense

[56:50] um you know to a degree

[56:52] part of it will be identifying those

[56:55] Parcels

[56:57] that we would want to be part of the

[57:00] overlay

[57:01] and we can certainly provide a list of

[57:04] those Parcels that will take some time I

[57:07] think we were approaching it from

[57:09] General business districts across the

[57:11] city and avoiding trying to avoid those

[57:15] areas that are residential or

[57:19] um maybe more sensitive to having those

[57:23] types of businesses in the area for

[57:25] example on State Street

[57:28] near I think it's new choices

[57:31] maybe not having a dispensary or

[57:34] allowing a dispensary in that area

[57:36] um again you know it's going to be

[57:39] obviously subject to whatever the

[57:40] council wants to do at the end of the

[57:42] day another recommendation related to

[57:44] this was requiring special use permits

[57:47] for these types of businesses to create

[57:50] yet another layer of approvals for the

[57:54] purposes of not just the type of

[57:58] business which you know we wouldn't be

[58:00] you know saying no to but making sure

[58:03] that

[58:04] um the the I think the appearance of the

[58:07] business and that there's full

[58:10] consideration of I think all the aspects

[58:12] of that business moving into that area

[58:15] um one thing Mr Marnie I think discussed

[58:19] with some of you had to do with we have

[58:21] certain businesses that are going to be

[58:22] pre-existing non-conforming which means

[58:25] they're going to be allowed to exist

[58:28] even though they're going to be outside

[58:30] of this overlay that's an unavoidable

[58:33] consequence of the zoning

[58:35] um

[58:36] but essentially providing them with or

[58:39] creating a schedule in which they will

[58:41] have to slowly change

[58:44] um their appearance to make it conform

[58:47] with whatever the district may require

[58:51] that they're currently in

[58:53] um so that's you know

[58:55] some work that we have to do on our end

[58:57] to figure that out

[58:59] obviously what I think Mr Marney and I

[59:02] had initially recommended was

[59:03] determining where

[59:05] you know if you're going to do an

[59:07] overlay where are you looking to the

[59:10] overlay so obviously we still want to

[59:12] input on that we can certainly provide

[59:14] you with our two cents on that and then

[59:17] from that then figuring out what are the

[59:19] next steps in terms of the requirements

[59:21] for that District

[59:24] I know some of you haven't had an

[59:25] opportunity to come speak with us and we

[59:27] obviously welcome that and anybody who

[59:29] has follow-up we obviously would like

[59:31] that this is not an easy process it will

[59:34] take time and to be frank you know not

[59:37] everybody's going to be you know

[59:39] generally happy they're not you're not

[59:41] going to get everything on your wish

[59:42] list here but we're going to do our best

[59:43] to accommodate

[59:45] um you know as much of the the wants and

[59:47] needs of the council to make this work

[59:49] for you all and obviously work for the

[59:51] people of the city

[59:56] so um further network with the next

[59:58] steps will bring us that information

[59:59] right so the next steps we will do our

[1:00:02] best

[1:00:02] um to come out with um you know from the

[1:00:05] input that you've already given us

[1:00:07] um those uh Parcels

[1:00:09] um that we would see as being part of

[1:00:11] the overlay

[1:00:13] um and then based on that

[1:00:16] um other recommendations related to what

[1:00:18] that overlay would require as we said um

[1:00:20] you know we're looking at a special use

[1:00:22] permit I think generally I haven't heard

[1:00:25] any opposition to that from talking to

[1:00:28] the council people uh just in in

[1:00:30] conversation

[1:00:32] um but you know as we propose something

[1:00:34] I'm sure there'll be questions and other

[1:00:37] issues that may come up as we further

[1:00:41] discuss this

[1:00:44] foreign

[1:00:48] next meeting you will so I I can't

[1:00:52] guarantee that the next meeting we're

[1:00:53] going to have a list of all the parcels

[1:00:55] because you know there's going to be a

[1:00:56] number of pulsive Parcels we're going to

[1:00:57] have to identify okay

[1:00:59] um you know and obviously this is in

[1:01:01] consultation with you know

[1:01:04] um people in the development department

[1:01:05] who I think have more insight on

[1:01:08] um you know those uses like the Law

[1:01:10] Department doesn't know every business

[1:01:12] within the city within every Corridor

[1:01:15] um so we're going to have to obviously

[1:01:16] lean on those folks um in the

[1:01:18] development department to provide us

[1:01:20] with their Insight we'd like to bring

[1:01:22] something back as soon as we can I'm

[1:01:24] happy to give you an update

[1:01:26] um in two weeks to let you know where we

[1:01:28] are so we can kind of keep track of this

[1:01:30] and in the meantime I still obviously

[1:01:32] and I'm encouraging you all to come come

[1:01:34] meet with us and even if it's an email

[1:01:36] or a telephone call feel free to reach

[1:01:39] out

[1:01:41] to have the opportunity itself thank you

[1:01:45] all right so we will it's going to be a

[1:01:47] process so we're gonna we'll hear back

[1:01:48] in two weeks and so for those of you who

[1:01:51] um may not be aware at this point in

[1:01:53] time in terms of cannabis

[1:01:56] um they've allowed now all licenses so

[1:01:58] every licenses it's not just a card or the general now everyone has an

[1:02:05] opportunity and they're starting to

[1:02:06] process all licenses that was I I think

[1:02:09] they announced that last week so

[1:02:12] um we have a work cut out for us but

[1:02:14] just one I mean the licensing is going

[1:02:16] to be a process and I believe it starts

[1:02:18] October 4th

[1:02:19] it's definitely not children I think

[1:02:21] you'll be getting October I want to say

[1:02:22] around the fourth is when they're going

[1:02:24] to actually let that begin to happen so

[1:02:27] um so we you know we still have to try

[1:02:29] to get our zoning in place in a

[1:02:30] reasonable amount of time applications

[1:02:32] take a while but still we want to make

[1:02:34] sure that we have

[1:02:36] are zoning in place because the one we

[1:02:38] have now is it's uh grandfathered in and

[1:02:41] that's where it could stay there and

[1:02:42] that won't change

[1:02:44] so just to be um to be clear with the

[1:02:46] Cannabis the 1000 feet has to be a

[1:02:49] straight line on the same stream we have

[1:02:52] to we are preempted by the state

[1:02:54] regulations as it applies to cannabis

[1:02:56] um the state regulations apply on same

[1:03:01] street

[1:03:02] um for sensory calculations

[1:03:05] um as it applies to smoke shops and vape

[1:03:09] shops the council can

[1:03:13] put you know distance requirements from

[1:03:17] other smoke shops and vape shops there's

[1:03:19] no preemption on that

[1:03:22] all right any other questions

[1:03:25] Mr palomini um relating to

[1:03:29] not the zoning but the moratorium which

[1:03:31] is really

[1:03:32] um smoke shops where we thinking to move

[1:03:35] forward on that given the

[1:03:37] recommendation or lack thereof from the

[1:03:41] county today uh well that came in late

[1:03:43] in the day so it didn't make the agenda

[1:03:44] so just just

[1:03:46] absolutely understood

[1:03:49] so we will definitely bring that back

[1:03:51] after we have their

[1:03:53] recommendation because there's at least

[1:03:55] two or three shops that aren't on the

[1:03:58] list that

[1:03:59] that's without trying to operate oh I'm

[1:04:03] sure there's a number oh yeah I'm sure

[1:04:05] there's never enough and I am not sure

[1:04:08] why they think they can but I'm sure

[1:04:10] there's a number of them

[1:04:12] um

[1:04:13] okay so we'll see that back and then

[1:04:15] we'll

[1:04:16] also bring that back the recommendation

[1:04:19] from the from the

[1:04:21] County

[1:04:22] Mr bear you weren't here for the last

[1:04:25] meeting did uh in terms of I'm good okay

[1:04:28] all right so we'll have that okay

[1:04:35] all right um items 789 and 10 and 11

[1:04:40] actually

[1:04:42] um well did not pass the last council

[1:04:46] meeting so this is just a reminder that

[1:04:48] this will be back on the agenda although

[1:04:50] those five items

[1:04:52] um for this coming council meeting yeah

[1:04:53] the president yes I'm sorry my

[1:04:55] recommendation would be to have this

[1:04:56] pass out of committee since it didn't

[1:04:58] fail on a vote

[1:05:00] um

[1:05:00] let the council again consider this in

[1:05:03] committee because of because the vote

[1:05:06] failed as opposed to it having been

[1:05:09] tabled my recommendation would be Let It

[1:05:12] Be voted out of committee yet again

[1:05:14] yes okay correct so do we need to um

[1:05:18] also do that in second session again

[1:05:19] because that's what we did these uh is

[1:05:21] certainly up to the count you know I

[1:05:23] can't tell the council what it would be

[1:05:25] subject to Executive uh session at the

[1:05:28] council so choose you know chose to do

[1:05:31] um but that's a consideration of the

[1:05:33] counseling so yes it can go into an

[1:05:35] executive session as it relates to

[1:05:37] property sales and values of properties

[1:05:39] okay so we have

[1:05:41] um

[1:05:42] all the remaining items are also

[1:05:45] executive assistant so well

[1:05:46] um I would suggest you do those things

[1:05:48] that go session so in that case I would

[1:05:50] need a motion to recess

[1:05:52] it's in development plan so second all's

[1:05:55] in favor

[1:06:00] [Music]

[1:06:02] on the far side there was a reminder for

[1:06:04] public hearing on the 2022 Consolidated

[1:06:08] annual performance and evaluation report

[1:06:10] the public Airline will be held on the

[1:06:14] 25th of September

[1:06:20] this next item we will have to vote on

[1:06:22] it I would do that again yes so the next

[1:06:24] item is a reminder is a resolution

[1:06:25] amending resolution

[1:06:28] 2022-224 to modify the time period for

[1:06:31] the electric city food Cooperative in

[1:06:33] Inc so secure require Financial

[1:06:36] commitment

[1:06:38] already any discussion on this

[1:06:44] second

[1:06:45] I'm gonna second it all in favor all

[1:06:48] right the next item in resolution

[1:06:50] amending resolution

[1:06:52] 2022-224 to modify the time period for

[1:06:56] young women's Christian Association

[1:06:59] the secure require Financial commitment

[1:07:02] any discussion on this

[1:07:05] second I'm gonna second it all in favor

[1:07:08] I the next item a resolution amending

[1:07:11] resolution

[1:07:14] 2023-029 to modify the time period for

[1:07:17] Miracle On Crack 3 to secure require

[1:07:19] Financial commitment any discussion

[1:07:22] may have a motion second I'm gonna

[1:07:25] second it all in favor

[1:07:28] aye the next item a resolution amending

[1:07:30] resolution

[1:07:32] 2022-224 to 25 the use of fun for

[1:07:37] Schenectady Community Action Program

[1:07:39] any discussion

[1:07:41] we have a motion so second I'm gonna

[1:07:44] second it all in favor all right thank

[1:07:47] you any other businesses for finance

[1:07:51] all in favor all right thank you

[1:07:55] I'd like to recommend a City development

[1:07:57] planning and I'm sorry before we go into

[1:07:59] executive session there is one item I

[1:08:01] did wanted to ask if we could answer the

[1:08:02] agenda uh they're doing honor event on

[1:08:05] the 30th did get an email and it did not

[1:08:08] make the agenda but I would like to

[1:08:10] entertain us being able to do

[1:08:11] resolutions for the two

[1:08:14] gentlemen who are being honored at that

[1:08:17] uh

[1:08:18] so I would need a motion tools second

[1:08:21] all's in favor all right thank you this

[1:08:24] time I need some motion to go in the

[1:08:25] executive session

[1:08:29] [Music]

[1:08:31] um

Schenectady City Council Committee Meeting, September 18, 2023

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