[0:00] Aon and and all the other um

[0:03] technological advances one of the things

[0:05] that was said time and time again was

[0:06] that this would give officers more time

[0:08] on the street and reduce Aon and and all

[0:11] the other um doing come back into the

[0:14] station do a lot of things so therefore

[0:16] not kicking into overtime I remember

[0:18] that being part of the discussion those

[0:24] discussions go ahead um so uh just to

[0:28] say that yes they're having more

[0:30] officers and may also explain that from

[0:32] the time some you know uh recruits start

[0:35] their program it's about a year so I

[0:37] don't know how many recruits he'll have

[0:39] starting in May and he did mention that

[0:40] they lose a lot of folks as soon as they

[0:42] go through training so we we can't

[0:44] automatically assume that there's

[0:45] there'll be enough officers coming on in

[0:47] May or a year from the next recruitment

[0:50] class so um I definitely would not want

[0:53] to put myself in the entire city at Bay

[0:55] by not allowing you additional overtime

[0:58] uh

[1:00] I agree go ahead please right I think

[1:03] it's important to make like two

[1:04] distinctions uh one proposing a budget

[1:07] and all shapes and facets doesn't mean

[1:10] that it's a guaranteed ask I think we

[1:12] had the same conversation last year

[1:14] we're looking at this recommended uh

[1:16] amount is a significant increase to the

[1:19] 2023 adopted budget uh I think Chief

[1:22] Cliff has been apparent as saying that

[1:24] the community is not at Jeopardy and I

[1:26] think it is also important to note that

[1:28] the Investments that were making

[1:30] and uh some of the antiviolence programs

[1:33] I think at some point those are going to

[1:35] need to either assist but curving and

[1:38] addressing some of the um preventative uh mechanisms that are

[1:43] providing individuals helpess to use

[1:46] violence um but also I do agree with

[1:48] Miss pter that investments in technology

[1:51] uh to cheap CLP this point has yielded

[1:53] improvements um so I think increasing it

[1:56] beyond the adopted to 2023 budget is a

[2:00] consideration I'm willing to make and

[2:02] then uh confidently uh seeking out that

[2:05] these eight individuals that are going

[2:06] to graduate from the academy in May 2024

[2:09] and the continued efforts of not only

[2:10] the police department but also our uh

[2:13] Community programs to invest in

[2:15] community policing that supports the

[2:17] entire community of be uh taking up this uh not fight um but this stance of

[2:25] how do we address and make sure that our

[2:27] public is safe I think that is a

[2:28] comfortable number

[2:32] I do want to point out that we spent

[2:35] almost 25 uh 2.5 million in um 2022 so

[2:41] already the 2023 budget was like a

[2:44] million dollars less and um I I'm sorry

[2:48] I didn't bring my what what have we

[2:49] spent so far our year to date is 1.8

[2:52] million 1.8 million at 18 1.84 Z 577 so

[2:58] we have about I don't know

[3:00] like

[3:01] 150,000 um to remain for the rest of

[3:05] 2023 because right now they were 25

[3:08] people short on the street so I don't

[3:11] know I mean I think that was the

[3:13] justification and I hear you know the

[3:16] technology piece I think will help

[3:19] moving forward but I still think that

[3:20] that's still pretty new as well in terms

[3:22] of being um

[3:26] operational so I think it's going to

[3:29] take some time to see the you know

[3:31] hopeful hopeful um outcome that we are

[3:35] anticipating with that as

[3:37] well so where need to get our 25 from

[3:41] where did I get the

[3:43] 22481 349 is what we spent in 201 no no you're saying that were 13 24 people

[3:51] vaces 12 in training and 25 people short

[3:54] on the street is what they said the

[3:56] other evening when they came and

[3:57] presented it is from n in May yep

[4:05] unless I wrote it down wrong but that's

[4:07] what I 13 VY 12 in training eight is

[4:10] going on in me that's

[4:13] what yeah maybe I wrote it down anybody

[4:18] else

[4:20] okay I had a question on

[4:23] this then we'll move

[4:26] into we'll move into a31

[4:31] 232 and there is a proposal here to

[4:35] increase on the 2023 of time line by

[4:40] 105,000 to bring that line to the 2024

[4:44] line to 880,000

[4:52] currently the line the

[4:54] propos

[4:58] 990,000

[5:01] [Music]

[5:03] again I mean look at what we spent in

[5:05] 2022 1259 893 so

[5:10] um you know not in 2023 2022 2022 I'm

[5:16] just looking and I'm I'm looking at our

[5:18] year to date right now it's

[5:21] 86399 so it's it I guess I'm guessing

[5:25] with the crime going down and all the

[5:27] technology that's added you can see that

[5:29] we're not not we're not quite even at

[5:31] what we're out we're considering

[5:33] allocating for

[5:36] 2024 the year dat please me so

[5:39] technology is really not going to help

[5:41] too much in the investigation piece

[5:43] because you get a murder or something

[5:45] you have just look at the public murders

[5:48] that we had that's where all the extra

[5:51] costs are uh it's just Manpower and just

[5:54] trudging through it that's where the

[5:56] expenses

[5:58] are

[6:00] go ahead please I would just disree only

[6:02] for an instance that everything

[6:03] generates paperwork and my time um I

[6:06] need to go more recently I think saving

[6:08] that time is also cost saving as

[6:15] well just a process question so when we

[6:17] get through all of these things we're

[6:19] going to go back and make final

[6:21] decisions right we're not these are not

[6:22] our fin yeah I'm running this through

[6:26] discussion okay then we'll go back and

[6:29] um just move quickly through them if we

[6:32] are for or against it yeah any other

[6:36] question on

[6:40] this see now we move to a342

[6:47] d112 and this is the Five Fighter it ask

[6:50] is increase over the 2023 over timeline

[6:53] by

[6:54] 209,000 and to bring the 2024 proposed

[6:58] line so a mill

[7:02] 70,000 so cutting 500,000 from the

[7:05] request right it was

[7:15] [Music]

[7:23] 1.57 open for

[7:27] questions um is I'll offer the year I'm

[7:30] sorry I'll offer the year to date which

[7:32] is

[7:35] 75458 754 I'm sorry

[7:39] 586 93 cents I think that went

[7:42] up we were 740 when we talked about it

[7:46] last time yeah so that's how much it

[7:48] went up just since

[7:50] 74

[7:54] 14,000 that print out was come October

[7:57] 4th y

[8:02] question go ahead please if I'm not

[8:04] looking at you please call

[8:06] me my head in here trying to make notes

[8:09] also I would say I absolutely hear the

[8:11] statements from my colleagues uh but I

[8:13] would say if your stance is that over

[8:15] time is needed then I think my response

[8:17] would be then what are the benefits of

[8:19] having us continually fund Public Safety

[8:21] Foundation

[8:22] efforts well I have to say that the

[8:25] public safety Foundation efforts are

[8:27] compl it's like comparing apples and or

[8:30] the reason that we have the public

[8:31] safety foundations is so that the

[8:33] officers can be out there at community

[8:35] events like common Unity

[8:37] or I'd have to go back and look at other

[8:40] events but I think those are it's it's

[8:42] like having

[8:46] um this this is Public Safety I mean in

[8:49] terms of fire and police to have the

[8:51] overtime because we need it right now

[8:53] we're you obviously using it in terms of

[8:55] getting folks out there on the street

[8:58] whether they're fighting fires or

[9:00] fighting crime versus um I think it's 25

[9:04] for each right $50,000 total for the

[9:07] police and the

[9:08] fire it's getting like they're going to

[9:12] family fund day at Stein Park and giving

[9:14] out stuff or or Scare activity this

[9:17] weekend um you know what I mean it's

[9:20] like a it's like having opportunities

[9:22] for our firefighters and our police to

[9:26] be interacting in an informal way pay

[9:29] with the community versus for

[9:32] $50,000

[9:33] versus them doing the work of Public

[9:38] Safety um so that's the difference I see

[9:42] go ahead please I would say the times

[9:44] that I've seen the fir fires out in the

[9:46] public they're handing out pamphlets and

[9:47] brochures that are promoting best safe

[9:50] practices to decrease of fires in homes

[9:52] uh so I think these types of efforts are

[9:54] very important and I think uh very vital

[9:57] to not only addressing households in

[9:59] general um but also uh to making sure

[10:02] that we're addressing these concerns

[10:03] with people at their infantile stages so

[10:06] that kids grow up with this

[10:07] understanding and naturally incorporate

[10:08] it into their lives but I I imagine that

[10:10] they're having these types of

[10:11] conversations I don't think that they're

[10:13] just talking about how cooler uniforms

[10:15] look you no but are you suggesting that

[10:17] we cut the 55 the 25 and the 25 I'm

[10:20] saying that these I'm saying these types

[10:22] of efforts have an impact on our

[10:24] community totally great oh no totally

[10:26] but I'm saying specifically with respect

[10:28] to improving Public Safety so I'm saying

[10:32] these types of Investments that we're

[10:33] making should have cost savings overall

[10:36] in

[10:37] overtime not on their own but

[10:39] cumulatively and I'm wrapping in the

[10:41] technological technological Investments

[10:42] we're making also and the fact that we

[10:44] are bring in more officer or not in

[10:47] respect to the Fire Department chief uh

[10:49] Chief Marino is reevaluating how to make

[10:51] sure that he is increasing his Staffing

[10:53] level by thinking of a revolutionary

[10:55] concept of now hiring EMTs and training

[10:57] them I think these typ Investments are

[10:59] going to allow us to find cost savings I totally agree with what you just said

[11:04] but I think it it's going to take some

[11:06] time for those things to happen and so I

[11:08] think we're in agreement that the 25 and

[11:10] the 25 obviously are adding to

[11:14] the safety issues I don't disagree with

[11:18] you there but I still think that boots

[11:19] on the ground um fighting fires and

[11:22] fighting crime um has to happen and I

[11:26] also agree with you that I thought you

[11:27] know they're both trying to have as many

[11:30] creative ways to increase recruitment I

[11:33] mean clearly unfortunately um some of

[11:37] the negative things that have happened

[11:38] over the last few years have have um

[11:42] placed a stigma on people not applying

[11:44] to be police officers for example um I

[11:47] think it's different with the

[11:48] firefighters but I guess you know from

[11:50] talking with Chief Marino there's been a

[11:53] reduction in the number of people that

[11:54] want to go into firefighting as well um

[11:57] so I just think I hear what you're

[12:00] saying but I think going into a

[12:02] classroom of third graders and teaching

[12:04] them about fire safety is really

[12:06] important and is something that probably

[12:08] has been happening even all our lives

[12:09] right um but I think having still the

[12:13] amount of funding that they need and

[12:15] that they're requesting to go out and do

[12:17] their jobs I think in the immediate as

[12:20] opposed to when that third grader you

[12:23] know hopefully is owning a house and

[12:26] trying their best to prevent fires

[12:29] um you know no I I I can speak on this

[12:33] one because it was a recommendation for

[12:35] me and we were putting $50,000 towards

[12:38] Public Safety Foundation under the

[12:39] police and was May as a um contribution

[12:42] to say let split it between the two

[12:44] Department 25 years to get them involved

[12:47] in the community so that they can bridge

[12:49] that Gap you know that stigma that is

[12:51] happening interact with the community to

[12:52] get them more involved let's hear what's

[12:54] happening over there and I think they're

[12:55] doing a good job prr we just need to

[12:58] expand a little bit more provide more

[13:00] support to them maybe consider next year

[13:02] to increase it so you know saw a good

[13:05] thing happening there the interaction is

[13:07] very important to building bridges in

[13:09] our community I

[13:12] agree go ahead please again I'm just

[13:14] always going to bring forward that you

[13:16] know I'm keeping track of what we're

[13:17] spending year to date and based on that

[13:19] I I you know I think that I'm

[13:21] comfortable with with this uh it looks

[13:23] like they're having the ability to cut

[13:26] down on their overtime um from years

[13:29] past versus this year so I think that's

[13:33] how that's how one of the reasons we

[13:35] have to look at this as we improve the

[13:37] technology as we have more firefighters

[13:39] as as they get grants from other places

[13:41] and specifically when I say that I want

[13:43] to talk about I mean the police

[13:44] department because they're applying and

[13:46] as you know they come before us multiple

[13:49] times um with grants that they get and

[13:52] those grants also supplement existing

[13:54] staff it's just not for bullets and

[13:57] holsters and things like that some of

[13:59] the grants like if they need Personnel

[14:01] to do specific things they're paid for

[14:03] out of the grant as

[14:08] well any other

[14:11] questions okay so you now move on to um

[14:13] A36

[14:15] 14-404 police review board and the

[14:19] recommendation

[14:21] here recommendation here is to increase

[14:23] the fees for service line by

[14:27] 10,000 and and to reduce the outside

[14:31] legal council by

[14:34] 10,000 that is just a movement

[14:38] there goad please again I think the

[14:40] 5,000 covers what they need in terms of

[14:42] their professional development and their

[14:44] membership fee in um n nle and the

[14:48] conference I guess the conference is

[14:51] like 3,000 or something and the

[14:53] membership but I would do away again

[14:56] with the 25,000 um in outside um I don't think they need the

[15:02] outside

[15:03] councel go ahead please um so I I I have

[15:07] to say that I think that the training

[15:08] right now if a training cost $3,000 with

[15:10] $5,000 they couldn't even send two

[15:12] people and I don't really think it's as

[15:14] beneficial for just one person to go and

[15:16] to bring back the information that more

[15:18] than one person should have the

[15:20] opportunity to attend the training if

[15:22] for some reason that person leaves the

[15:23] board or whatever the case may be so I

[15:26] think beneficially uh for for this

[15:29] particular review board if we're

[15:30] especially if we're going to kind of

[15:32] keep up with what's going on in terms of

[15:34] um review boards and having them

[15:37] exchange information with people who do

[15:39] similar things around the country I

[15:40] think it's important that we send more

[15:41] than one person to a training if

[15:43] possible so um I would support having

[15:46] enough money for at least uh two people

[15:48] go I know at one point they had and then

[15:50] we have to pay to be Parton they call

[15:52] and at one point they decided they

[15:54] didn't want to be but AR are yeah they

[15:56] are um our ordinance clearly says that

[15:59] you have to be yeah so there's that

[16:01] payment and then you know people go in

[16:03] the training and like this time maybe

[16:05] it's 3,000 one only one person could go

[16:07] so I I would suggest that we keep we put

[16:10] enough money in to allow people to go

[16:11] training if we really want the best

[16:13] training for our board members some

[16:16] boards pay people to be on them and this

[16:18] one doesn't so they're volunteers this

[16:20] is an opportunity for them to increase

[16:22] their skill set in terms of serving as

[16:24] volunteers so we could reduce the coun

[16:27] outside Council I do have a question and

[16:29] I think does someone from your office

[16:31] now go to those um we go as needed um

[16:35] I've been in communication with the

[16:37] police department staff who have those

[16:40] meetings um and if they feel or the

[16:44] chairperson from cprb fields that is

[16:47] needed for somebody from my office to

[16:48] attend that will attend it hasn't come

[16:52] up um there were the only questions that

[16:54] have ever come up um had to do with

[16:57] somebody's ability on the board um for

[17:00] questions about that that was early on I

[17:02] think maybe in maybe the end of last

[17:06] year uh beginning of this year but

[17:09] nothing has aisen

[17:15] since go ahead please I could just talk

[17:17] on the outside Council again there's

[17:20] money in the law department for outside

[17:25] Council we bring in attorneys as needed

[17:28] so if a scenario came up where there's a

[17:31] conflicted position where city council

[17:35] needed separate representation or

[17:37] somebody on one of the boards or

[17:39] commission needed outside

[17:42] representation there's money for that

[17:44] and we try and again leverage stuff with

[17:48] uh membership with New York Conference

[17:50] of Mayors provides uh guidance and

[17:57] uh

[17:59] case law different things the AG's

[18:02] office sometimes will assist local

[18:04] government and things so that that money

[18:07] that's in the Council budget now I

[18:11] didn't use it this year I don't see

[18:14] scenario we're going to use it in the

[18:16] future that we haven't used it in the

[18:18] last 10 and some years but if you needed

[18:22] something there is money in the budget

[18:25] that's proposed and so if you want to

[18:28] that or look at

[18:30] that that would be the appropriate way

[18:32] to deal

[18:34] with please so I thought the reason why

[18:37] we created a separate line is because

[18:39] it' be easier for accounting purposes if

[18:41] that's not right I'd be open to

[18:45] May that was part of

[18:47] it I can comment on

[18:49] that e the mayor had to say I know this

[18:53] I'm G to Echo what the mayor had to say

[18:54] on this um I know this came up last year

[18:57] um

[18:58] as you know as you all know um the city

[19:02] council hasn't used outside Council this

[19:04] past year U cprb hasn't there's a budget

[19:07] line obviously for um the law department

[19:11] for outside Council and we use that

[19:14] outside Council whether it is it's

[19:17] usually it's a no not usually it's a

[19:19] determination made by the law department

[19:21] on whether or not we have the capacity

[19:23] or to to handle a particular legal

[19:25] situation or uh whether there's some

[19:28] type of conflict uh in which um it would

[19:32] be better best for it to be handled by

[19:34] outside

[19:35] Council that you know seldom happens uh

[19:40] in terms of a conflict um but that's not

[19:42] to say that it couldn't happen um and we

[19:45] would obviously have to make the

[19:46] professional

[19:47] determination um to to say that we do

[19:51] have a conflict and refer to outside

[19:53] Council but we provide um outside

[19:56] Council for you know situations

[19:59] involving other departments in the city

[20:01] um where you know whether even if it's

[20:05] not our insurance company but something

[20:06] arises let's say hypothetically it's an

[20:09] article 78 because of some

[20:10] administrative decision made by the

[20:13] Planning Commission made by uh you know

[20:17] the chief building inspector made by you

[20:20] know some somebody else who has the

[20:22] authority to make an administrative

[20:24] decision um and at that point in time

[20:27] the Law Department feels that it does

[20:28] not have the capacity to handle that

[20:30] particular matter we would refer to

[20:32] outside Council it would be covered by

[20:34] our insurance um and in that situation

[20:37] it comes out of the law Department's

[20:39] budget is outside Council so for

[20:41] accounting purposes it's not

[20:42] distinguishable between the Departments

[20:45] it just comes out of the Law Department

[20:49] budget go ahead please and act me no no sorry don't um yeah because there's

[20:57] 100,000 Dollar in the

[21:00] 2024 um proposed budget for outside

[21:02] legal services in the legal department

[21:04] and you know it looks like that would

[21:07] cover

[21:09] um what we might

[21:12] need in terms of what we had spent year

[21:15] to date and that kind of thing so so I

[21:17] have the year to date of course I do um

[21:20] but there's like multiple lines here so

[21:22] is it just the fees for services is your

[21:24] is it your labor lawyer is it your

[21:26] litigation support is it all those

[21:28] things added up oh I was just looking at

[21:31] outside Legal Services no I'm talking

[21:34] about the year to date spread out she's

[21:36] looking at more detailed breakdown on

[21:38] the budget so Anthony can ah we need an

[21:42] actual yeah everybody has this we use

[21:44] outside Council for certain certain

[21:47] things that we do right um you know we

[21:51] use a bankruptcy attorney um outside

[21:55] Council um Brian from specifically to

[21:59] handle matters where um you know usually

[22:04] it happens with tax issues right

[22:06] somebody files for

[22:08] bankruptcy our outside Council Brian ker

[22:10] interacts with my office and also the

[22:13] receiver of taxes to make sure that

[22:14] whomever is in bankruptcy is following

[22:17] their bankruptcy plan and is um which is

[22:20] payments you know on a Bas on a typical

[22:23] basis and he will then act um if

[22:25] somebody doesn't follow their plan to

[22:27] have a stay witht or have a bankruptcy

[22:29] dismiss um we try to use them

[22:31] strategically obviously when we're about

[22:33] to do a foreclosure um but he's still

[22:36] doing work throughout the year um we use

[22:39] outside Council dealing with certain

[22:41] labor issues um you know could

[22:45] be it could be a grievance it could be

[22:48] just um you know an issue with you know

[22:51] police officer firefighter whomever it

[22:53] may be we have to make a determination

[22:55] to use outside Council we're not using

[22:57] outside Council obviously willy-nilly um

[23:00] you know there are certain lines um for

[23:02] the labor attorney that we may use for

[23:05] that but um you know determination made

[23:08] and I I consult my office consults with

[23:10] Finance to determine um the best way to

[23:13] pay a particular attorney based on what

[23:15] they're doing for the city um you know I

[23:20] don't know exactly every single line

[23:22] that it gets paid out of um you know it

[23:25] I would say it varies based on the

[23:26] attorney and what the doing what

[23:28] services are provided um as you know you

[23:31] know we do our foreclosures in house but

[23:35] um unlike a lot of other municipalities

[23:37] but we still may use outside Council as

[23:39] I mentioned when it comes to

[23:40] foreclosures Brian ker because he's

[23:42] working on the payy

[23:44] part

[23:47] okay any other question on

[23:51] this see then we move

[23:54] [Applause]

[23:55] to A3

[24:01] 64-44 street department

[24:04] manager ask to just increase this so no

[24:09] I don't think the the thing is Right a

[24:13] oh sorry that's what you have on here 36 sorry yeah that's

[24:20] sorry a

[24:22] 510100 street department manager they

[24:25] ask us to bring this up to four% over

[24:28] the 2023 salary there's a narrative

[24:31] there and all of us had an opportunity

[24:33] to listen to Mr laan explaining all the

[24:37] work is being done

[24:41] currently the street department manager and this

[24:48] Salway supervisor is it the so removing

[24:52] the ideas to remove the director of

[24:54] Public Works key dist street department

[24:56] manager position right and move that to

[25:00] uh I think 104,000 so 52k in the street

[25:04] Administration I think and then 52 in

[25:06] the waste Administration right yeah but but when you first when it was first

[25:12] not you first but let me just have a

[25:15] note when I it was first brought

[25:18] forward it

[25:22] was it was changing a title

[25:25] right that's correct yes first they make

[25:29] it the same title for both and

[25:32] increasing it from 45 to 52 for both

[25:35] because the guy is going to be saving us

[25:36] about 80

[25:40] grand the same guy being both JG is that

[25:43] correct that's

[25:45] [Music]

[25:47] going so 52 from one line and 52 from

[25:50] the other yes that's correct but when

[25:54] the when we first were um given the

[25:56] budget it was this title it was you they

[25:59] changed the title to director of public

[26:00] works right and the proposed salary at

[26:04] half of the proposed salary was

[26:07] 4,968 not 52 well that's Paul came back

[26:11] to increase it if you here that day

[26:12] right

[26:14] 52 okay and and because there's be a

[26:17] savings of 88,000 it's going to be one

[26:19] guy do both the jobs the director of

[26:22] Public Works and he wants to change that

[26:24] to Street manager also so we wouldn't

[26:27] have that

[26:28] 884 see that 88 339 we didn't it's not

[26:32] being uh not being uh brought over a

[26:37] budgeted

[26:38] 2024 the 88400 8 but that was the

[26:42] adopted um bud in 2023 correct but then

[26:47] by creating the director of Public Works

[26:49] it was split

[26:52] 45968 each with yeah which was a 4%

[26:56] moving the individual back so street

[26:58] department manager but you're pumping it

[27:00] by seven almost

[27:02] 7,000 under each department follow the

[27:04] fund

[27:07] request so where is what is the

[27:10] additional P duties oh I'm sorry page 33

[27:15] additional is going to take over race

[27:21] Administration is this civil service or

[27:23] is this going to be management Street street department

[27:28] manager a management

[27:29] position here it

[27:35] is so what's the increase like

[27:38] 14%

[27:40] okay say

[27:49] 88,000 any other question on

[27:55] this find the other one no did not but I

[27:58] found waste but I just didn't find that

[28:02] 81600 it was the director of Public

[28:05] Works they change it to Street manager

[28:07] and they gone from 45 yeah they're not

[28:10] doing 68 to 52,000 they're not filling

[28:12] director of solid waste and now they're

[28:14] not doing director Solway taking out the

[28:17] 88,000 yep I got it I see

[28:22] it so so actually his Department went

[28:24] down overall gu over

[28:29] total budget was down I believe

[28:33] 1.69% but that's what I wrot down so I

[28:38] mean I don't have the job descriptions

[28:39] in front of me

[28:40] but I guess I'm questioning how one

[28:43] person can do two full-time

[28:52] jobs manage it well manage it it's going

[28:56] to take ogs and waste

[28:59] [Music]

[29:01] in scheduling following

[29:04] up Paul believes that it can be

[29:08] done if you let him in here get them in

[29:12] to give you more detailed explanation in

[29:15] the

[29:18] work because I I mean I imagine once you

[29:20] get to this level it is a lot of work so

[29:22] I just like really wondering how that

[29:24] could happen it's a lot

[29:28] [Music]

[29:30] ogn waste water and water you know say

[29:36] City I don't know hundreds of thousands

[29:38] of dollars a year he did

[29:41] job he's got confidence in this

[29:49] yeah

[29:52] okay we can maybe we can just send the

[29:55] email so I mean we're I don't know we're

[29:58] at I guess we're at the point we're like

[30:00] making decisions tonight but that's my

[30:02] that would be my

[30:04] question all right any other question on

[30:07] this Mr far you going to make the the

[30:09] adjustment zero out um the director of

[30:11] Public Works and move that into street department yeah once we decide

[30:17] whatever we decide to move forward

[30:20] either

[30:21] way okay any other question on this the

[30:24] next item is um A51

[30:28] 2100 remove fleet

[30:31] manager and the Not There is assistant

[30:33] is doing a all the work doing budget

[30:35] hearing allward will be

[30:38] completed by the

[30:43] assistant open for

[30:51] question my note said that they're short

[30:54] staff

[30:56] but

[30:58] or

[30:59] just you want to get rid of the fleet

[31:05] manager it's not full it's not currently oh it's not there's

[31:09] no one in that

[31:12] position

[31:17] okay so was Mr lefon recommending

[31:20] getting rid of the fleet finish yes

[31:23] okay no he didn't recommend get written

[31:26] you recommended to add the position back

[31:29] this year we didn't have it last year

[31:31] yeah that's what I was gonna say we had

[31:32] it at one time um then we didn't have it

[31:37] and did you remember circumstances that

[31:40] this this the night guy I just realiz

[31:42] that's a different oh okay I just

[31:43] remember that when he was he said that

[31:46] this other person could do the job but

[31:47] if you want

[31:50] to pass the test so he went back there

[31:53] being assistant manag so he's been doing

[31:56] the assistant management job job and now

[31:59] Paul says he wants to bring somebody

[32:00] back in to help now and he just saved

[32:04] this 0,000 but we in our discussions I

[32:07] mean we can go back and look he did say

[32:08] that the other person was was handling

[32:10] all the job so he does it's a great Cas

[32:14] hard working okay all

[32:17] right yeah he did mention that he's

[32:20] asking to fill this position into 2024

[32:23] but at the same time he said the

[32:25] assistant he the assistant is doing all

[32:28] the work that is

[32:32] needed I'm

[32:37] sorry

[32:39] one thank

[32:43] you any other question on

[32:45] this if now we'll move to a 5132

[32:51] d121 discuss the motor equipment

[32:54] operator mechanic one

[32:57] and there are some notes there with some

[32:59] concern in terms of liability and having

[33:01] this person work is solo Shi by

[33:08] him so as you know I brought that

[33:11] because I I'm still concerned that a

[33:13] person would be in a garage by

[33:15] themselves all night and you know in the

[33:17] event that something happened so um I

[33:20] looked into it and there's no ocean

[33:21] requirement that that we cannot do that

[33:24] but again I have concerns for the safety

[33:26] of the indiv idual and for um the any

[33:29] liability on the part of the city should

[33:30] something happen so if if we're going to

[33:33] do it then I I really would think that

[33:36] we would want to um establish a work

[33:38] alone policy for when people are in the

[33:41] situation so there's some protocols put

[33:43] in place for somebody who works alone

[33:45] and should something happen there's ways

[33:46] to trigger things for someone to know

[33:48] that something's happened so um and if

[33:52] this is the same position also that

[33:54] they're they're getting this lift for

[33:56] this portable lift

[33:57] that even makes me more concerned but um

[34:00] because you know things happen in

[34:01] garages so um I understand our need for

[34:04] it however I just want to make sure that

[34:07] we have systems in place of these

[34:09] person's individually in a garage at

[34:11] Night by themselves um that we have

[34:14] something that's in place and I mean

[34:17] it's not up to me to decide um Staffing

[34:20] but even having somebody else rotate in

[34:22] would make me more comfortable but

[34:23] that's that's not my call but I just

[34:25] wanted to express my concern around

[34:30] that any other

[34:36] question see now we'll move on to

[34:38] [Music]

[34:39] a71

[34:43] 10-100 director of pars the ask is to

[34:46] increase that to 4% over the 2023 salary

[34:54] L Mr Mr Lo

[34:58] the director of pars right now makes

[35:00] 80,000 this is

[35:03] 4% let me see

[35:07] 87 was for 728 but he under the book for

[35:14] 8 so the 832 is the 4% 4%

[35:20] correct 80,000 even yes that's the

[35:25] salary

[35:29] well it's

[35:31] okay so it just didn't show when you

[35:33] hired him you brought him up to 80,000

[35:35] well again

[35:37] because the position was vacant rather

[35:40] than use the recruitment line we used

[35:43] money that was within the original

[35:46] appropriation but that was the salary

[35:48] that he wanted to be hired so I could

[35:51] have taken it out of the recruitment

[35:53] line and it just it makes the accounting

[35:56] work complicated it was just taking out

[35:58] of that L pay a little bit more that's

[36:00] what the budget reflects I submitted to

[36:03] you oh yeah well there's no way to know

[36:05] it because it looks like he was making

[36:06] 72 and then went up to like like

[36:09] $110,000 that's what it appears yeah

[36:12] that makes sense but it's but it's 4%

[36:14] cuz he's currently making 82 currently

[36:16] making 80 currently making 80

[36:20] okay any other discussion on

[36:23] this the next um is a81 161

[36:29] D100 why the 8 plus% increase for the

[36:33] assistance

[36:35] solid um any csca supervising uh

[36:39] supervising 1037 employees has to make

[36:43] $150 a week more so uh uh because of the

[36:48] big raises that 1037 got uh received

[36:51] they got to make $150 a week more than

[36:53] that so that $18 $150 a week

[36:57] 7,821 by itself so that's why youve got

[37:01] the big increase

[37:03] okay question

[37:10] this now we know contractual contractual

[37:17] correct all right moving on the next one

[37:19] is a

[37:21] 9089

[37:23] d840 employee Dr ask prod by 10,000 V is

[37:31] 3,900 the actual for

[37:35] 2967 for 2021 and

[37:38] 4,45 for

[37:42] 2022 open for

[37:46] discussion go ahead please so I I don't

[37:48] know if the numbers necessarily I'm just

[37:51] wondering are we not testing

[37:55] people because because I mean why why we

[37:58] we're not seeing this line

[38:02] spent uh some of was not testing some

[38:06] was co uh we're still deing with some of

[38:09] the issues with the changes in the

[38:12] marijuana

[38:15] regulations there is not I shouldn't

[38:23] say testing technology shifting where

[38:27] today some of the tests you can't

[38:30] tell uh how recent the use of marijuana

[38:35] is De can show for 30 days but really

[38:39] then individual wouldn't be repaired

[38:42] there are some tests that are supposedly

[38:44] coming on the market that would show

[38:49] the uh length of time from using it to

[38:54] the test for the level impaired so on

[38:58] that uh tell me if it was about

[39:02] $5,000 we could live within that but I

[39:05] would still want some

[39:07] money uh going forward for the next year

[39:10] to be able to uh just deal with the

[39:14] realities of the workforce and where we

[39:16] have to test whether it's new hiring or

[39:18] on the job

[39:21] incidents so you want to keep it at what

[39:24] 10 if we take if you want to take 5,000

[39:28] out of it like what was the original

[39:30] appropriation 15,000 15 so yeah if it

[39:33] stays at 10 and then revisit it again in

[39:37] a year to see where we are so reduce it

[39:39] to 10 not by 10 um and just who who does

[39:44] this apply to like who gets drug tested

[39:48] random there's random testing and then

[39:51] there's new hires who test different

[39:55] levels right because I also saw drug

[39:57] testing in the sewer department so those

[40:00] employees

[40:01] get there's a separate part of money for

[40:03] their drug

[40:04] testing for

[40:06] CD CD for the water and sewer funds are

[40:11] different funds yes so this is employees

[40:14] other than that I correct in this one be

[40:18] all a general fund

[40:25] okay

[40:27] so are we okay to keep that

[40:31] 10,000

[40:34] okay next item is um G

[40:37] 81201 121 CCTV operator I think this was

[40:43] Tyle I think you receive oh

[40:45] yeah did receive a a copy with an

[40:51] adjusted

[40:53] um

[40:55] amount

[40:58] [Music]

[41:00] yeah he went from 5846 2023 and 65,000

[41:05] 968 2024 that is due uh uh to the $3 an

[41:10] hour ra so $3 an hour time 40 hours is

[41:13] $120 a week time 5214 it's $

[41:18] 6,256 80 so 58 and uh 58 and 62 gives

[41:23] you 64,000 672 280 and then in 2024 you

[41:28] get and I have to add 2% to that

[41:31] contraction com 65 968 okay okay okay

[41:36] ready with if you look at the diagram

[41:38] thank you you will see it but I gu I

[41:41] know he gave us a print out too thank

[41:44] you cuz we need more

[41:47] people we'll skip this other two item

[41:49] and go over to the next page and then

[41:51] come

[41:52] back I think we did address this one

[41:55] here 8

[41:56] 55

[41:58] 100 that was for the real window I don't

[42:01] you did no this is a yes we did no

[42:05] that's for the City Assessor next one

[42:06] it's the next one 1356 404 Miss

[42:10] mroy um

[42:12] recommended right so we did a change in

[42:14] an increase let me go back to that page

[42:17] if you I think it was because the person

[42:19] is supervising somebody that's making

[42:21] more money or something yes but they

[42:23] gave us something that they increased it

[42:25] that was already done right

[42:26] well they increas it to 60,000 that's

[42:29] not increased

[42:30] in

[42:36] 1356 the 13551 100 we did Miss maoy She

[42:41] also asked the B for

[42:47] [Music]

[42:52] right oh

[42:55] it's I couldn't remember if it was the

[42:57] appraiser or the analyst I didn't write

[42:59] that down uh

[43:02] 54,000 is that what oh yeah because you

[43:05] can see right no so she asked an

[43:08] increase for uh the uh real property

[43:11] analyst from

[43:13] 53756 to

[43:15] 54,000 oh so it's like a couple hundred

[43:17] bucks yeah 200 and uh what was what was

[43:21] he ask what was he ask from the

[43:23] department head 54 54 as opposed to

[43:27] 53756 is it even is it even 54 yes cor

[43:32] yeah that's all she

[43:33] asked 200 more

[43:37] [Music]

[43:38] 244 I guess I must be wrong that that

[43:41] was she was more than person was

[43:44] supervising somebody but no she we

[43:46] didn't know what the figure was we had

[43:49] no I I'm writing it down but that's only

[43:51] a couple hundred

[43:53] bucks can anybody else remember I I

[43:56] thought I don't know for some reason if

[43:59] it's if if if it's only a couple hundred

[44:01] bucks then it's not going to bring them

[44:03] above because my understanding if I

[44:05] remember correctly is that she was um

[44:07] supervising the real property appraiser

[44:09] I believe it's the clerk ohing clerk makes way less than that yeah she

[44:15] just

[44:16] started so that doesn't work out then

[44:19] well anyway so Molly's s uh the assessor

[44:23] is suggesting 54 and

[44:28] original reest was 54 everyone every

[44:31] everyone should have that um yes

[44:34] original

[44:35] request oh sorry it's yeah we have it

[44:39] but there's just a lot

[44:43] of ah later that's what I'm looking

[44:47] for okay yep and then when you gave it

[44:50] today was the

[44:52] 54 actually the next one that I had

[44:58] 14

[45:00] um let's go let's

[45:05] go 1356 404 the assessment Board

[45:09] review oh that I think we had a

[45:13] discussion with um the assessor in

[45:16] regards to this um board

[45:19] attendance and M is not attending all

[45:21] the meetings and

[45:23] it's yes that was the one yeah yeah on

[45:27] the rest of the members it was so she

[45:30] was going to come back to us with a

[45:31] recommendation how we Chang the

[45:33] ordinance or legislation to address

[45:36] these concerns and I think all us with

[45:38] that to kind of work with her to address

[45:40] those concerns because this is not the

[45:42] first time that the board is finding

[45:46] some difficulties in their

[45:48] function Mr M go ahead

[45:51] please um so a couple things I thought

[45:53] that Mr colon said that that was

[45:54] something that we'd have to look at uh

[45:56] that you called about in terms of

[46:00] changing minute yes um this it would be

[46:04] outside of the budget process the budget

[46:06] is setting the numbers um you'd have to

[46:10] go and look at the I don't actually I

[46:12] don't believe that it's set in the um

[46:15] code I believe it was approved by

[46:17] resolution okay um so the council could

[46:20] obviously Set uh the fees that are paid

[46:23] to um the people on the important

[46:25] assessment review

[46:26] by resolution so maybe we leave it the

[46:31] way it is here and then moving forward

[46:34] into the

[46:35] year you know get that

[46:38] analysis and think about it for

[46:42] what yes I think that was discuss we

[46:45] have public

[46:47] here I I can talk to Miss Maly about it

[46:50] she I discussed it quite some time ago

[46:52] um and I don't know how many hours

[46:55] obviously the they put in um I imagine

[46:58] that you know she would have a better

[47:00] sense and the council would have a

[47:01] better sense May would have a better

[47:02] sense of whether or not if you went to

[47:05] you know some other type of payment

[47:06] arrangement let's say hourly um if

[47:10] $116,000 would um cover the hours that

[47:14] they put in I don't know those hours I

[47:17] I'm the the the concern I think that she

[47:20] had was that there was actually a

[47:23] particular person who actually didn't

[47:25] show up for anything and was still

[47:27] getting the same no they showed up for

[47:30] if you don't mind they showed up for one

[47:31] day they didn't show up for the day that

[47:33] they were reviewing and then they showed

[47:35] up for deliberation but still got the

[47:37] full salary of everyone who had been

[47:39] there the entire time not salary but

[47:41] stien that's what she that would be

[47:44] outside that would be outside of the

[47:46] budget process that's something else

[47:48] that the council can

[47:50] address I'm happy to just move on yeah we did ask we did ask for

[47:54] recommendation to come back to us email

[47:55] get us involved let's see what the

[47:57] narrative is to to move it forward and

[47:59] to make necessary changes so that he can

[48:02] better us s of theem office but I do

[48:06] have one thing because the document that

[48:08] was given to us today there's zero on

[48:11] this for the

[48:13] bar the bar is 16,000 no on this

[48:17] document we got today there's no nothing

[48:18] in

[48:20] there but the changes that we

[48:24] request

[48:27] it's right at the bottom is peace for

[48:29] service assessment riew about

[48:32] now from her she

[48:36] probably because she wanted

[48:38] to

[48:40] okay that was from her oh okay so m i mean the uh the assessor's

[48:48] office gave you this yes okay thank

[48:51] you all right so we'll follow the that

[48:54] make sure that we

[48:57] that Mr I got it but we're leaving it as

[49:00] it is currently in terms of in the

[49:02] budget this the amount okay thank you

[49:05] and then the next one is a1430 D100

[49:08] payroll

[49:10] manager raise salary to 60,000 from

[49:13] 56,000 261 so slightly higher than the

[49:16] personal benefit clar that was that the

[49:19] position

[49:22] supervis that was something that um Miss

[49:25] was recommending I

[49:29] believe open for question oh that was U

[49:31] Miss Miss uh yeah yeah

[49:35] okay oh okay because this is the one

[49:38] where the person is supervising somebody

[49:40] to make slightly more money than

[49:43] man I would have support

[49:46] that what's that I would support that

[49:50] okay is this person CA she's the manager

[49:54] the other man okay the

[49:57] management management

[50:00] so make so in 56 265 it would

[50:06] be 37 35 60 the

[50:11] addition the

[50:13] additional the payroll manager

[50:17] y all

[50:20] right are we good with that M okay the

[50:24] next one is a144

[50:26] 1-100 how much to add an ipf 3 per part

[50:30] time that's 40,3

[50:35] hour 40,000 let me just see what my note

[50:38] was and why I even said that oh

[50:42] so Mr Wen must have suggested

[50:48] that had somebody I wrote need

[50:52] ips3 up to better position in

[50:57] C oh she went to utilties that way they

[51:00] no no she went to cies oh oh that's

[51:03] right so in that particular instance how

[51:07] is that kind of so there's no

[51:11] administrative support in that office

[51:13] yeah they have IPS for uh what's her

[51:16] name the person not IP or and uh you see

[51:21] they also have an IPS uh the IPS uh

[51:25] three in there

[51:28] 1440

[51:30] ex yeah that's the same thing public

[51:33] okay State Department then I'll take

[51:35] away my I'll take away my

[51:38] suggestion so both they're both

[51:41] okay so you taking that off I can I'm

[51:45] okay taking it off yeah there are two

[51:46] position there one is a three and one is

[51:48] a four no

[51:51] ask and then the other one we already

[51:53] discussed but that was the the confusion

[51:56] that we had if you don't mind if I keep

[51:58] going yeah yeah so the other one was

[52:01] changing it from mayor recruitment funds

[52:03] just to recruitment funds because that

[52:04] question came up the other day just it's

[52:06] just a change on the

[52:10] wording he copied and

[52:14] paste so I don't I mean it's no money

[52:17] difference it's just that um people

[52:18] wereused because about that but it's not

[52:21] just to recruit for the mayor's office

[52:23] it's to recruit in

[52:26] general yeah I I don't think we ever use

[52:29] this but we never Ed it one attempt to

[52:31] use it on the individual just walk away

[52:34] if you can recall yeah it was it was put

[52:37] in there just for a cushion to the May

[52:38] during the co that people weren't

[52:40] seeking job an incentive there I think

[52:43] that is when we know people are applying

[52:45] they're coming forward applying for

[52:48] jobs money I was just saying let's just

[52:50] change the line

[52:53] future it was

[52:55] that part it was more of a need at that

[52:58] time rather than now it's not much much

[53:01] of a need now to to for this

[53:04] line um we already did senior

[53:07] centers and then I already mentioned

[53:10] what I felt about the outside Council

[53:12] for civilian police review

[53:15] board and oh yeah this is the one where

[53:19] C I think we addressed that

[53:22] 81211 121 yeah yeah we

[53:30] [Music]

[53:43] 121 oh we're going back that us went up

[53:45] to 6

[53:46] to5 this I think didn't we say let's

[53:49] check that because it went from 58 416

[53:51] to

[53:53] 79 we the corre

[53:56] I just explain how sorry I didn't see

[53:59] the corre sorry CTV operator oh that's

[54:02] on the other sheet okay umed 8120 d121

[54:07] 65 so it was um in 2023 it was5 96

[54:12] 416 and then it was brought to us for

[54:14] 70,000 but then it went down okay I got

[54:17] it to 65

[54:18] 968 okay thank you I think that is the

[54:22] question ask by

[54:26] okay thank

[54:32] you we're

[54:36] good all right I don't over Health

[54:41] numbers yeah

[54:44] um asking just go back show the benefit

[54:51] the Healthcare

[54:52] numbers and also add to that the last

[54:56] year we did receive a reate of 500,000

[54:59] excuse me last year so where is that in

[55:02] this proposed budget in the proposed

[55:04] budget yes the

[55:06] $500,000 rebate are we not receiving any

[55:08] rebate this uh we hope we receive rebate

[55:11] uh what we do is usually put that the

[55:13] rebate we usually get is from uh from

[55:16] Pharmacy yes we us we what we usually do

[55:19] from the pharmacy is the

[55:22] uh I believe we just uh where is it last

[55:25] year we did receive receive a budget of

[55:30] 500,000 or I mean this year excuse me

[55:34] this year what was your budgeted amount

[55:36] for 2023 for what

[55:39] rebate hold on from the

[55:48] pharmacy no that will be all the way

[55:54] to

[55:56] yeah was in near the back

[55:58] right employ employes

[56:06] Ben page page

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[56:23] 4 is it the Medicare reimbursement right

[56:27] here no that's something

[56:33] else I think this is the pharmacy proact

[56:37] rebate right yeah I don't I don't see

[56:39] here it should we usually do with that

[56:41] though too we usually try to lower what

[56:44] our payouts going to be when we get that

[56:46] yeah but in our it's not

[56:49] reced I have to find out can you WR that

[56:51] down yeah I take a look yeah yeah but

[56:54] that's that's uh Elizabeth takes care of

[56:57] that so was the in other words are you

[57:00] saying that that was in 2023 or that is

[57:03] yes yes so what we do is I had to I

[57:06] hired a group to audit our our things

[57:10] and one of the things that we're getting

[57:12] is to make sure that they give us the

[57:14] full benefits that we paying for it and

[57:17] that's how we got the rebate it's it's a

[57:21] reat that it will receive and it's

[57:24] attached the the proact if I'm proact um

[57:29] the pharmacy so my question is though is

[57:31] that a guaranteed rebate in 2024 I mean

[57:34] in other words that's SEC yeah so that's

[57:37] why it's not in the budget yeah that's

[57:39] well see what I mean we had it on the

[57:40] budget for 2023 it's not I don't see I

[57:43] don't see here is

[57:46] a is it on the revenue still want count

[57:48] on something

[57:53] $500,000

[57:55] I think it would be in

[58:07] Revenue 8268 you're talking about is

[58:11] that rebates what is it I'm sorry so

[58:13] Revenue you're talking about

[58:16] 8 is that the

[58:19] proa I think it's proact and our what's

[58:23] the other one huh Canon no stop L it's

[58:28] um a

[58:30] 2680 B

[58:40] 26

[58:43] recoveries oh Insurance recoveries yeah

[58:46] good

[58:47] gotcha ah so 268d I see it yeah line is

[58:52] a rebate line that's a it's a rebate

[58:54] line yes

[58:56] and we don't use it as in the as a

[58:59] revenue we don't put in as an

[59:02] expense you know we put it as a but what

[59:05] if you don't get

[59:07] it we're sh for

[59:11] no in

[59:13] myal life I wouldn't let anybody put let

[59:15] me put grants in yeah what happen if

[59:17] people don't pay their taxes you know

[59:19] well that's

[59:23] true so that's just something that they

[59:25] do every year possibly

[59:28] was we have a couple of things we have

[59:32] the the stop loss rebate and the that's

[59:37] good we pay a lot of

[59:41] M on the on the healthare part I mean I

[59:44] have no say you're saying it's going up

[59:46] by 14% higher but across of standard um

[59:50] across the board is going up like 6 to

[59:52] 8% what is the difference with your 4 4%

[59:55] going up horses the 68% across I I I

[59:59] felt that 14% the way we've been really

[1:00:03] working the last few years we we're

[1:00:05] probably between 6% and I felt I didn't

[1:00:09] want to raise the budget 14% where I

[1:00:11] thought we can get away with ses that's

[1:00:14] what our our cumulative basis you know

[1:00:16] what I mean last year I think you were

[1:00:19] at six around that per last year you

[1:00:22] were 6% so 14% higher is

[1:00:28] here some the trends where during Co is

[1:00:32] we're self-insured paying what the

[1:00:34] actual uh usage

[1:00:38] is people weren't going to the doctor as

[1:00:40] much people deferred procedures and

[1:00:42] other things so the costs went down now

[1:00:46] all those things that were

[1:00:48] deferred are starting to catch up with

[1:00:50] people so you're

[1:00:53] seeing just a high utilization is that

[1:00:56] true y plus you got to remember too

[1:00:59] we're also hiring more people too more

[1:01:01] families and uh you know there one one

[1:01:03] thing too you're hiring police and fire

[1:01:06] and they're retiring at a young age so

[1:01:08] what happens so for every every uh you

[1:01:11] know uh person who retires a family you

[1:01:14] got four guys on it you're not getting

[1:01:16] rid of four people because they're under they're under 65 you're

[1:01:18] still paying for them so you're adding

[1:01:21] another one so as as people retired it's

[1:01:24] not the number goes down it goes up

[1:01:26] because plus especially for Public

[1:01:29] Service Plus these these the health

[1:01:31] insurance benefits I mean don't you get

[1:01:33] that from our

[1:01:35] analyst you have you have an analyst

[1:01:38] that makes these recommendations for

[1:01:40] right yeah yeah you got the the thing I

[1:01:44] it all

Schenectady 2024 Budget Meeting October 18, 2023 - Part 2

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