[0:00] I I guess I would like to see that I

[0:02] think that would be important to see

[0:04] what has historically remained

[0:06] open yeah I was just I guess I was that

[0:09] is sort of what I was saying if these

[0:11] guys had sort of just a bird's eye view

[0:13] of that um in terms of taking the risk

[0:17] in other words of having the positions

[0:19] still here because I think it's clear

[0:21] again I'll use engineering as an example

[0:24] that I mean there's a lot of work to be

[0:28] done on that plate without the Staffing

[0:31] so I'd rather see that the Staffing

[0:32] remain in the budget thinking that

[0:35] perhaps we might get a chance to hire

[0:37] the

[0:38] people um you know what I'm saying oh

[0:41] then that's where we I guess I was

[0:42] looking at from the standpoint

[0:43] something's been vacant for an extended

[0:45] period of time I get rid of

[0:51] it and then if something has been newly

[0:54] requested evaluating that so yeah I was

[0:57] going to add to that we just need a look

[0:58] at the the 202 ads on top of the 2023

[1:02] vacancies do we really need those

[1:05] additional ads into 2024 on top of the

[1:08] already vacency that we have that paper

[1:11] so it looks like that's something we're

[1:13] going to have to think about each of us

[1:15] when we go home before Friday so you

[1:17] have that paper you have that paper um

[1:19] on your backup if you're not if you

[1:21] don't have it here we can make copies to

[1:23] you if not is more likely to be home I

[1:26] know we can get copy yeah look yes I

[1:31] would like to hire all the staff every

[1:33] Department 100% but where where are we

[1:34] going to get the fund from where is the

[1:36] funding going to come from and if we're

[1:38] looking at the numbers of the may as

[1:40] mentioned $7.4 million we we need to be

[1:43] very very conservative very alert and to

[1:46] focus in on that number $7.4 billion

[1:50] it's a lot of

[1:51] money that we're going to dig in our

[1:53] heels next year to where are we going to

[1:56] find

[1:57] savings we can't wait until next year

[2:03] is better to start

[2:08] now so since we're talking about

[2:10] engineering I just want to point out the

[2:11] fact that the engineering department

[2:14] sorry did already take um reduce their

[2:17] Staffing in the budget so just so we're

[2:20] clear oh I'm not

[2:23] saying no I was just using it as an

[2:25] example I I'll defend you on that for

[2:27] yeah no okay he was it's already been

[2:30] done my point it's already been done by um this the chief

[2:35] engineer in terms of his budget request

[2:41] so so here we are I mean I don't have

[2:44] anything else

[2:45] on Anthony if I may suggest based on the

[2:49] changes here that we was presented

[2:51] tonight is it possible to do a draft

[2:54] let's have a visual look at it okay make

[2:58] is that possible that last make sure our

[3:01] numbers are correct there yes why we go

[3:04] through it then suggestion go through

[3:06] yeah let's go

[3:08] through because we weren't necessarily

[3:10] making decisions about these changes we

[3:12] were just discussing unless Friday we're

[3:15] going to make the decisions right unless

[3:17] um Mr Williams has any suggestion to

[3:19] move ahead with these changes or to

[3:22] just submit these changes let's look at

[3:25] the

[3:28] draft

[3:31] I'm not the only one here so we're we're

[3:34] a Comm committee together so whatever

[3:36] you recommend um so I'd recommend

[3:38] proceeding with the changes as we

[3:40] identified in this 2024 proposed budget

[3:44] everyone need the shell and we come back

[3:46] on

[3:47] Friday can we just go through yes yes

[3:51] please okay all right

[3:58] so

[4:02] well can I ask procedurally what are you

[4:03] looking to

[4:05] do I thought you going make the

[4:07] decisions tonight we could have

[4:08] legislation prepared for Friday are you

[4:11] going say you're going to come

[4:13] in

[4:16] make conversation review discussions

[4:19] then we're going to have to break and

[4:21] actually draft the

[4:23] legislation hear you're saying your

[4:26] Friday schedule your Friday schedule

[4:29] does not build much morale from

[4:34] departments so we'll have to go through

[4:36] these we have to make

[4:38] decisions and then if we we probably

[4:40] will need to look at that other sheet if

[4:43] that's one of your

[4:45] recommendations what other sheet the

[4:47] Staffing one that I didn't Staffing one

[4:50] with me

[4:52] but go ahead please based on whatever

[4:54] you're going to be proposing change

[4:56] wasse there going to have to be a

[4:58] determination on whether that in

[4:59] increases the budget decreases the

[5:01] budget so that Revenue can change

[5:03] [Music]

[5:08] accordingly so you guys would probably

[5:10] have to rerun a budget

[5:16] tonight well I was not going to ask him

[5:19] to do it

[5:21] tonight numbers that they can do it oh I

[5:24] see okay and then and then we just have

[5:26] to think about ourselves before we come

[5:28] back I thought you consensus tonight we

[5:31] would formalize it tomorrow and then be

[5:33] able to do

[5:35] it on Friday okay or you know the other

[5:40] suggestion is you know to move it to

[5:43] Monday night to the regularly scheduled

[5:46] date and I don't know what the

[5:50] arrangements are for Council M Farley's

[5:54] uh father you that might be a factor you

[5:57] know I asked today and I they haven't

[6:00] made them

[6:07] yet so then if that's the case then

[6:09] let's

[6:11] um move forward with the discussion on

[6:14] the changes and that was

[6:17] discuss and then we can um provide that

[6:20] number to

[6:21] Ferrari and then we can give him an

[6:25] opportunity to work on the draft and

[6:27] see how the the dra is

[6:32] looking did we need to go into executive

[6:36] assessment action yes we kind of skipped

[6:40] over a little bit those two

[6:42] positions you mentioned that I didn't

[6:44] know yeah so wouldn't that be the same

[6:46] would that be then the same in terms of

[6:48] these other positions that Mr mud just

[6:50] brought up no no

[6:53] just a general discussion Personnel that

[6:57] would be

[6:58] a conceivably a fairly long

[7:02] discussion which one

[7:04] would the the list that you have oh okay

[7:07] you me

[7:10] the so you need

[7:14] a we need to so let let's go to session

[7:18] discuss thetive action and then come

[7:21] back out and move forward with what was

[7:23] discuss here in on the recommendation

[7:25] for for Mr to move forward with the

[7:28] draft so we can have something ready for

[7:31] Friday um so we need a motion to go into

[7:35] executive

[7:38] session prefer be done the other way

[7:41] around all in

[7:42] favor I'm sorry were if you were to go

[7:46] through the numbers

[7:47] first you can give it to Anthony and

[7:49] Derek right and then they can start I

[7:52] think crunching some things and then you

[7:55] want to go to a second session to

[7:56] discuss the other piece which is not

[7:58] related yes directly to the budget you

[8:01] can do the discussion while they're

[8:03] trying to update the figures if that

[8:06] makes

[8:07] sense either way it's

[8:10] [Music]

[8:12] fine number one you have to raise

[8:15] for uh staff for Council 16% so you're

[8:20] making 14,100 I believe right yes M and

[8:24] you want to go to 16

[8:27] 356 think amount if the increas is 16%

[8:31] it would go up to it's budget at 987

[8:34] right it goes up to

[8:36] 11492 that's right that yeah well that's

[8:41] Ely correct that only four members the

[8:45] city council will be eligible for pay

[8:48] raise now because you can't raise salary

[8:51] during the term of office so three

[8:54] members would then be eligible in two

[8:57] more years

[8:59] so that number does not go up that

[9:03] full Mr what's your opinion your legal

[9:05] opinion I actually I agree with that I

[9:07] think there's um there's case Law

[9:09] related to that I don't know if it's

[9:11] directly the statute I think that's

[9:13] right um I I think you the legislature

[9:17] has addressed courts have addressed this

[9:19] it would be staggered based on so what

[9:22] we've done in the past when spot when we

[9:26] did an increase for you a couple years

[9:28] ago you took in course to your the time

[9:32] but it was passed at the end of my term

[9:35] was it

[9:41] right for a which again is inconsistent

[9:44] with what the statute says you know

[9:46] you're going to do what you want it's

[9:49] not

[9:50] necessarily what I would recommend do

[9:53] but we're here for forward to working

[9:55] with

[9:58] yeah

[10:01] so which one are we starting with we

[10:03] starting with

[10:08] that there Cas out there I can verify it

[10:12] um so I don't have it you know so can

[10:16] you do that for us Friday we'll carry

[10:18] this number 114 492 we can Che depending

[10:23] I'm not in favor okay okay

[10:26] I ver one way or the other um and then

[10:29] obviously then if case law supports it

[10:32] that becomes a policy question for the

[10:34] council yeah okay are you okay to move

[10:37] forward

[10:38] [Music]

[10:40] with I move each one individually or I

[10:43] think we're discussing them individually

[10:47] salary so the answer

[10:49] is I his question was are we going one

[10:52] by one both them individually we just

[10:55] have to

[10:55] agree confirming them yes can we not vot

[11:00] you it's going to be I would do

[11:03] everything together in one package so

[11:05] you're not individually voting on each

[11:07] separate line

[11:09] okay if that makes sense because there

[11:11] going to be other adjustments that will

[11:12] have to be made if things don't go

[11:18] through so we need you're do each

[11:21] individual line right and some things go

[11:24] through and some things don't go through

[11:26] it's going to affect the other

[11:28] adjustments you'll have to make or that

[11:30] Mr Ferrari and G will have to make as it

[11:32] applies the

[11:35] revenue then you would have to vote on

[11:37] the next the the revenue change on on

[11:40] the back side of

[11:43] it so so let's go through all the item

[11:45] the Committees an agreement majority in

[11:48] agreements we move the item we'll just

[11:49] mark it up and move forward that item if

[11:52] not we

[11:53] just that um the back corner so the next

[11:57] item is a propos um

[12:01] A110

[12:04] d440 and propos to decrease the outside

[12:07] legal

[12:08] service by $10,000 and bring that actual

[12:17] $155,000 yes yes so I'm I'm I am

[12:22] confused I'm sorry so you two because

[12:24] you're the finance committee are the

[12:25] only ones that can give input into this

[12:27] right now no you can give input about

[12:29] voting or to agree to move it

[12:31] forward us is have

[12:35] work and then basically on Friday we

[12:38] would just say no we don't accept those

[12:42] changes it's like any other thing that

[12:44] would come out of committee it's going

[12:46] to be voted on by the committee and got

[12:49] then it's going to have to you know

[12:50] either be voted up or voted down by the

[12:52] council at full council meeting

[12:57] gotcha

[13:01] you that yeah okay I'm good with this a

[13:04] 1210 d00 yes I'm okay with that too - $

[13:11] 6,610 say it again -

[13:15] 6,610 yeah it will be

[13:19] 5739 the next one uh is A310 d00 yes

[13:25] plus 2,000 I'm okay with that

[13:30] 88355 100 the

[13:34] assessor

[13:35] 93,000 plus

[13:40] $1,064

[13:42] a420

[13:45] D100 there were no notes on this this

[13:47] was just a

[13:49] discussion

[13:55] [Music]

[13:57] paral

[14:01] Oh I thought someone had a figure

[14:03] for yeah it's it's yeah sorry apologize

[14:08] bed on

[14:11] CCA there was a number that was given

[14:13] was like

[14:14] $4,030 that was for IPs was for IPs okay

[14:18] so we don't have a number for this

[14:21] okay the next SE talk about the

[14:25] affirmative action I'm going go in

[14:26] executive session for that okay M we the

[14:30] discussion happened on the utilities mhm

[14:33] the next one is a 1989 D4 95

[14:39] a-2 out of

[14:42] miscellaneous they ask us to remove the

[14:44] recruitment fund

[14:46] 15,000 are you okay with that Mr

[14:51] Williams nothing is going to happen

[14:53] there was a question on the contingency

[14:55] that's why that was on there there's

[14:57] nothing moving from the agcy that is

[15:00] a Mr ferari is going to look into that

[15:03] and pass will make

[15:05] U adjustment

[15:08] or I would say I'm open to transition

[15:11] recruitment pardon me transitioning it

[15:14] to

[15:16] recruitment rame that okay instead of

[15:20] taking the 15K out of the budget yes so

[15:23] we'll just

[15:25] um he wants to keep keep it but let it

[15:29] remain in the recruitment

[15:32] fund Ren it

[15:36] okay and the next one um

[15:40] a1989

[15:42] 499 AR the senior sensor we are bringing

[15:46] that to

[15:48] $60,000 and Mr TR we're going to ask

[15:51] that you adjust discription on line so

[15:54] account for all four Senor Center to

[15:59] include connect Senor

[16:04] [Music]

[16:06] centerre

[16:07] 15 it's a senior center funding isn't

[16:11] that was that was a that's it it's

[16:13] called Senior Center progam

[16:22] yeah we're good with that as soon y I'm

[16:25] good with that the next one is a 3122

[16:30] -112 we are asking to only Frey line so

[16:34] by

[16:35] 4 5

[16:37] 6,

[16:39] 161 based on the

[16:41] 2023 over

[16:43] time yes you have it that's a decrease

[16:46] of 500,000 from the original from the

[16:49] original request original

[16:51] request yeah I I just want to for the

[16:54] record say that I don't agree with

[16:57] that Mr William you okay with

[17:00] this the next one is 831

[17:04] 23112 and they're asking May to increase

[17:09] the 2023 over timeline by 105,000 to

[17:12] bring that to the

[17:15] 2024 line of 880,000

[17:18] that's a

[17:20] negative, 110 Direction in public safety

[17:24] is to cut over

[17:27] $100,000 out of those things that's what

[17:30] you're suggesting what I would ask you

[17:32] to do also is because the PBA contract

[17:35] is up at the end of this year so tonight

[17:38] when you go home send me the number that

[17:40] I can negotiate with the

[17:47] PBA again I think that this is kind of

[17:49] misleading I just have to say because

[17:51] you're well it is it's word choice

[17:53] saying increase instead of decreasing

[17:55] what you're really doing is decreasing

[17:56] the

[17:57] overcome I want to work with everybody

[17:59] you know any of these decision should

[18:01] take some criticism for some people like

[18:03] it the public discussion over Public

[18:06] Safety last time so now you're calling

[18:09] it an increase over last year but it's

[18:11] really a decrease over what the expected

[18:13] expenses are going to be for

[18:17] 2024

[18:18] agreed and I think we should continue to

[18:21] factor in what the spending has been to to date and so know looking at that

[18:26] because when when I saw these

[18:27] suggestions I definitely looked at that

[18:29] it seems like we're going to be within

[18:30] that so um you know it's not just for me

[18:33] anyway I can speak for me it's not just

[18:35] a random like um thought process it's

[18:38] like let me see what we've done so far

[18:39] where we are and does this look like um

[18:42] are within the the amount that's being

[18:45] suggested so that's how I looked at

[18:51] this

[18:53] me I was going to ask if any had a

[18:57] discussion

[19:02] are you okay move okay that's

[19:05] $110,000

[19:07] increase less than what was asked less

[19:09] than it was

[19:15] asked the next item is p

[19:17] 3412

[19:19] d112 by

[19:23] fighter and this one here is a

[19:27] $500,000

[19:29] reduction against the proposed budget

[19:32] bringing this line to a mil

[19:36] 70,000 again I go on the record of

[19:38] protesting that one as well i' rather to

[19:41] keep it at what the mayor's projected

[19:43] budget

[19:45] is any other question on

[19:48] this are you okay with it yes

[19:52] good the police review board a 3614

[19:57] d404

[19:59] the ask is to increase the feace of

[20:01] service by 10,000 and reduce the outside

[20:04] legal councel by

[20:10] 10,000 any discussion on

[20:13] this I mean I'll reiterate that I don't

[20:16] think they need the outside legal

[20:17] councel at all um but I do appreciate

[20:20] the idea of having enough money in the

[20:22] training line for two people to attend

[20:25] the conference plus the fee for the

[20:27] membership

[20:31] but again you guys are voting but I just

[20:33] wanted to be on the record so you're

[20:35] suggesting just to be clear that we just

[20:37] get rid of the outside the balance of

[20:39] the outside Council and just I don't

[20:40] think you need $25,000 there for legal

[20:43] councel and so if the um the $55,000 for

[20:48] the

[20:49] uh uh what do you call it I think it's

[20:52] training right on the on the budget so

[20:56] add to it was it maybe make that one um

[21:00] 15 maybe make that eight instead of

[21:04] five the suggestion was to to increase

[21:07] it by 10 to make it

[21:09] 15 I don't think they need that

[21:12] much well this year's training is like

[21:15] 3,000 maybe four you said three but I I

[21:17] was told four and if two people

[21:20] conceivably went plus the plus the fees

[21:24] so yeah I can't remember how much the

[21:25] fees is I'm sorry I can't remember how

[21:27] much the membersip

[21:31] go ahead please so I would say

[21:33] increasing the um fees for the training

[21:35] 15 and based on the mayor and Mr col's

[21:39] um input about the outside Council say

[21:41] either moving that remaining balance

[21:44] to Mr water department or

[21:50] just yeah I'm fin to increase the Fe of

[21:53] service to 15,000 and remove the outside

[21:56] Council and and that will happen on the

[21:59] other the other one also that we have um

[22:02] there's another one uh city

[22:06] council that's plus 10,000 minus

[22:11] 25,000 the other outside counil was for

[22:14] City counil that I

[22:16] also I don't know where that is oh it's

[22:20] not on your list it's on

[22:21] my so so okay so on this item yes plus

[22:26] 10 8 2614

[22:29] 404 the only increase there is the Fe of

[22:32] serve is going up to 15,000 we're

[22:34] subtracting

[22:36] 25,000 right

[22:40] that's yes and we removing the outside

[22:43] Legal C

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