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[0:12] I'd like to call the ordinance to make

[0:13] the city council committee meeting for

[0:15] Wednesday October 18th 2023 and I'll

[0:19] turn up to Mr M Baron thank you I would

[0:22] like to reconvene finance

[0:25] committee and there is one item that we

[0:28] need to address follow from last

[0:30] and it has to do with the human resource

[0:33] department I was to have some questions

[0:37] for Mr

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[0:58] rard

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[1:21] okay

[1:25] question

[1:28] sorry

[1:32] P you have some questions regarding you

[1:34] want to go ahead certainly um so I

[1:37] noticed in the budget when uh Miss Ali

[1:39] was here that there's two office excuse

[1:41] me two positions that were removed from

[1:43] the budget um the positions W removed I

[1:46] should say that they weren't funded and

[1:48] they were

[1:49] the assistant yeah I'm just W about his

[1:53] office Oh you mean the assist yeah he

[1:55] having any control over

[1:57] that so about the fir action um offic so

[2:01] the uh affirmative action office

[2:03] clerical Aid and program coordinator

[2:07] neither of those were funded this year

[2:09] so um just really want to know from you

[2:11] that was that was the decision that you

[2:13] wanted to make or no I I would like that

[2:16] you reconsider that we've been working

[2:18] to try to get you know these positions

[2:20] funded they're very very desperately

[2:21] needed to assist the work that we're

[2:23] trying to do in this off of affirmative

[2:25] action uh we just now completed the U

[2:28] ining process so we sent one selection

[2:32] up to the to the mayor's office today

[2:34] for consideration so you know so that's

[2:36] up there and also uh it's it's been a a

[2:41] challenging Jal situation in terms of

[2:43] affirmative action office and the

[2:45] Empowerment Center the it were both

[2:47] connected to what we're trying to do

[2:49] with the 18 office stre and funded and

[2:51] all that but since we've had such a

[2:55] um cost overrun in terms of being able

[2:58] to get the building done and get

[3:00] everything on track to make it move

[3:02] forward it's it's been almost impossible

[3:04] to say how can we you know get you know

[3:07] position in that to run the program if we're not sure what we're going to

[3:10] run the programs out of so that was the

[3:12] one issue that was you know in in

[3:15] contention for but we did you know work

[3:18] through that and I want to come back to

[3:20] you um to discuss at at another time the

[3:23] reappropriation you know of the of the

[3:26] office fund to go more toward the

[3:28] programming side

[3:30] and so therefore we're able to serve the

[3:32] community and do the things we want to

[3:33] do as opposed to being locked down to

[3:35] the to the capital infrastructure of the building I want to come back with

[3:41] that but in terms of the two positions

[3:44] the critical in the sense that you know

[3:47] we definitely need help in terms of the

[3:49] day-to-day operations of what we're

[3:51] doing down here what tring to do the

[3:52] service C and you know get the word out

[3:55] and service and and hold true to the

[3:57] mission so um has been a process to to

[4:01] do that together with a lot of people

[4:04] and you know it's just been hard so we

[4:06] got we got the first part of it done

[4:10] ose be ready with the 17 you know move

[4:13] back forward consideration but in terms

[4:15] of program we've been doing you know a

[4:17] lot of things that U require the help

[4:21] you know you talk about creating U

[4:23] access to Opportunities um you know word

[4:27] available in terms of you know what we

[4:28] have to offer trying to do specifically

[4:31] toward Workforce Development and

[4:32] training working with our partners and

[4:35] you know just trying to develop the

[4:36] whole program in a quality fashion so

[4:38] that it's sustainable and deliver the

[4:41] results that we're trying to do so I

[4:43] think we'll be able to move forward with

[4:44] the quality sustainable program and a

[4:47] product that's going to make the city

[4:49] proud and we'll be able to deliver what

[4:51] the uh what the community is asking for

[4:54] so follow question you said that you

[4:56] submitted something to the um mayor's

[4:58] office which one of these positions was

[5:00] it for for clerical a clerical a um and

[5:03] it's my understanding that someone was

[5:04] hired at one point but it didn't work

[5:08] could you speak to that a little bit

[5:09] Yeah didn't work state

[5:13] so out right so it wasn't for lack of

[5:16] trying you did have someone employed but

[5:18] they decided didn't have a start they

[5:20] didn't start they just accepted the job

[5:21] it didn't start right right

[5:24] okay all right so but you you have

[5:26] reached out because I just you know

[5:27] wanted to ask those questions um because

[5:29] I just want to be frank that um we were

[5:32] told that that there had been you had

[5:34] been submitted several applications but

[5:36] not had not considered any of the people

[5:38] well we we've considered a lot I mean

[5:39] we've been you know it's a process you

[5:42] know um you get you know 10 20 app kid

[5:45] you call them all you know you know the

[5:47] bo don't answer don't show up or

[5:49] whatever you know so that process and

[5:50] some don't work out but you know we've

[5:52] been going through that process and um

[5:55] you know I'm very comfortable with what

[5:57] you know we've come out with to you know

[5:59] to get this

[6:00] started um so my last question if if

[6:04] between these two positions has neither

[6:06] one of them have been funded this point

[6:07] and if you said if we said like we can

[6:09] only fund one or the other um from your

[6:12] perspective as the person who runs the

[6:13] office which would you have chosen well I I have to go with the data uh you

[6:20] know the data entry person because

[6:21] that's you know what we're getting B

[6:23] down the most you know so much is coming

[6:26] in just keeping up with things so that's

[6:28] you know that's one thing

[6:30] the other position is important too

[6:32] because um there's a lot of support that

[6:35] we get from within the current

[6:37] administration of the city that ABS a

[6:40] lot of those things that typically would

[6:42] not be done you know specifically Sil

[6:45] Heth minist in terms of grant writing

[6:47] and identifying Grant

[6:49] opportuni um connections and

[6:51] relationships with the partment that

[6:53] we're trying to work with on Country the

[6:54] college uh the school district U you

[6:57] know all these things uh it takes time

[7:00] you know a year ago we started working

[7:02] on M with the school district to talk

[7:05] about a Workforce initiative so that's

[7:07] been last September here we are this

[7:10] year we just not getting to the point

[7:12] where they're coming back with their

[7:13] draft or what they want to move forward

[7:15] so everything just takes a very long

[7:18] time and the uh and we need to be in a

[7:21] position to go after the fun we need to

[7:23] go out to the gr so we can sustain the

[7:25] programs once we you know get them done

[7:27] so we do talk with funders you poti fund

[7:31] that's working with talking with you

[7:35] know the district you know what

[7:36] resources can they bring there um know

[7:39] we talking Community College you know

[7:40] they work with us

[7:43] Workforce program what can they they do

[7:46] so you know many things that they can do

[7:48] uh you know retrospect is you know maybe

[7:51] like noncash you know transactions but

[7:54] if they consist with staff for example

[7:56] in the col they do like all the

[7:57] screening and taking the applicants and

[8:00] all that but it's tax in on them to keep

[8:03] up a keep up people so you know we do

[8:08] what we can to you know make it happen

[8:10] and you know keep doing and then we

[8:12] still you know go to outside resources

[8:15] looking for funding so um we were talk

[8:18] for a whole year with a group that want

[8:20] to support the you know the Empowerment

[8:22] Center you

[8:23] know and they will you know they would

[8:25] come you know with some you know

[8:26] significant funding but they didn't want

[8:28] to get involv with the capital P you

[8:30] know nothing to do the building with

[8:31] programing you

[8:34] know you know something that we you know

[8:38] what happen What going on but you know

[8:40] it's conversation like that is why this coordinating piece becomes critical

[8:45] somebody strong enough to have those

[8:48] conversations and you know and sometime

[8:51] you know we're not as as St to the

[8:53] traditional routes you know we don't

[8:55] have those relationship we have to build

[8:57] these relationships and just simply

[8:59] takes time so we need the help of these

[9:02] people to make it happen thank you go

[9:06] ahead please so would you say that the

[9:08] program coordinator is more focused

[9:11] towards the Empowerment Center and the

[9:12] work that will be done um once that

[9:14] Center opens well no no well you know

[9:17] just service doing the program so I

[9:19] think we can do the programs without

[9:20] having a building so we'll just make the

[9:22] program work so for example we have the

[9:24] skills training program the next core

[9:27] starts next week 23rd

[9:29] and then after that we have the business

[9:32] uh Workshop we're doing like a business

[9:34] Workshop series and um you know things

[9:38] you know like for the years we trying to

[9:39] do something like each month to you know

[9:41] keep the activity going and make it

[9:43] happen and the two ironically go hand in other words we train people so

[9:49] let's say that we run 150 people through

[9:52] the skills training program and at the

[9:55] end of the day we you know having

[9:57] trouble getting in place you know we we

[9:59] priorities to get them plac within the

[10:00] city but you know we're not getting them

[10:02] here so it's just hard so we need to

[10:04] build the capacity of small businesses

[10:07] that have the opportunities to take them

[10:09] on so we have to you know do them both

[10:12] at the same time so we're working to

[10:13] build a capacity small business and you

[10:15] know being part of the mission and

[10:18] enthusiasm that's going on within the

[10:19] city and uh and ultimately create the uh

[10:23] you know create the jobs and and we do

[10:25] have a disconnect you know um you he Day

[10:28] about

[10:30] people looking for for employees they

[10:32] said we can't find where are they you

[10:34] know and you know we have it here and

[10:36] but yes when you go two blocks up you

[10:39] talk to I can't get an interview or why

[10:41] can't I get this or you know and these

[10:44] are the realities that we we deal with

[10:47] and we talk about things in a a true

[10:51] public private kind of relationship you

[10:53] know you know we have to do them both at

[10:55] the same

[10:58] time

[11:01] Mr cardal So currently the work are

[11:03] being done by

[11:04] you Miss K

[11:07] right so do you have any backl in terms

[11:10] of reviewing the of the compliance

[11:14] report I mean it all become Challen you

[11:16] know it all become tax you know because

[11:20] chase down what um you know it's happen

[11:23] with the projects and you know get

[11:25] reports in you know you get it done you

[11:27] know so we get it done

[11:29] but we would like to be on the proactive

[11:32] side to um you know de able to be why

[11:36] you if you have chance get in there

[11:42] and how many grants did you submit this

[11:45] year and what are what's the status of

[11:46] those grants well in the past 12 months

[11:49] I said you submitted like three GRS one

[11:52] to the state to the federal um we didn't

[11:57] get got close we did the year before the

[12:01] year before you know we submitted about

[12:03] the same and you know we didn't get any

[12:06] you know we didn't get anywhere with it

[12:08] this we we got a lot closer you know a

[12:10] lot of feedback in ter of you know what

[12:13] consider part somebody you know those

[12:15] type of things so

[12:16] we we did get small from National

[12:21] GD we did apply through the state

[12:24] through the you know Workforce

[12:26] initiative you know and some of those

[12:28] things are still

[12:29] pending but um you know we working we're

[12:32] working out with the um you know

[12:34] Workforce Development Institute and

[12:36] requirment of Labor so they have um

[12:40] that's s task what we're doing with our

[12:42] Workforce program

[12:44] where the negotiation is once they

[12:47] complete out five six program that they

[12:50] will go into the next level which would

[12:52] be like a Preen program so trying to you

[12:55] know bridge that Gap so um how many how

[12:58] many programs did you run this year and

[13:00] how many students went through it this

[13:03] is weally run like about TOS for year so

[13:08] this is going to be the third cohort

[13:11] this

[13:12] year next and how many students 15

[13:17] typically we start 15 e we got probably

[13:20] 12

[13:24] 11 goad please so are you are you able

[13:28] to utilize is the um grant writer for

[13:30] the city to write your grants or who

[13:32] writes your grants for you been write

[13:35] most of and we do you know we have work

[13:37] with Su you know through the

[13:39] city been writing the ones that we've

[13:45] been but she's not really she's not part

[13:47] of your department she works in a

[13:49] different department but she's assisting

[13:50] yours thank you she's part of she works

[13:53] mostly with development mostly with

[13:55] development yeah okay but you know

[13:56] actually she does gr for the city done

[13:59] police she's done Finance she's done

[14:01] other did she do want help you with

[14:05] ch oh noard no I was asking about oh

[14:09] yeah no I'm just saying also s lomard

[14:12] help okay and we have talk you know Su

[14:16] you know like you know what to go after

[14:20] that you know so we have VI

[14:23] but you know just one identify

[14:31] put

[14:35] resources thank

[14:38] you any other question for Mr

[14:42] Gard thank you

[14:45] sirate thank you have a

[14:57] good

[15:09] thank

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[15:27] you

[15:35] [Applause]

[15:37] so before you it's a it's a combine of

[15:39] all the proposed changes

[15:42] so give you a couple minutes to go

[15:44] through them and then we'll go through

[15:45] them

[15:46] individually discuss it and move

[15:57] forward

[16:04] you

[16:08] Happ I'm just hiding it want me to read

[16:11] on your paper

[16:16] sure doesn't really explain

[16:27] it

[17:27] for

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[17:54] this is the most Curr

[17:57] year

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[18:27] okay

[19:27] sh

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[19:46] where

[19:46] your I'm not

[19:57] inside

[20:24] 3

[20:25] days oh my God sorry

[20:41] you can just have to say

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[20:57] be

[21:00] okay so we'll just go through um each

[21:02] item and first section is revenue the

[21:07] question Mr ferari is to explain the

[21:09] real property tax collection here to

[21:11] date on the first princi you have given

[21:14] to us and the one today the number

[21:16] remain the same despite the fact that

[21:18] collection was ongoing say again please

[21:21] real property tax collection you know

[21:23] the monthly stus I give you every every

[21:25] month if you read the bottom you know

[21:27] the way our books the way the computer

[21:29] works is that we figure we achieve 100%

[21:32] but in actuality we were receiving about

[21:35] 93% it's increasing every year so you

[21:38] receive about 93% collection on that

[21:40] line

[21:43] yes the next one can you explain to us

[21:46] um the sales tax and growth for 2024

[21:49] yeah so we increased the sales tax by

[21:52] million dollar over the high share uh as

[21:54] we see even

[21:56] though you know uh you know hear about

[21:59] the economy going up for the cost

[22:00] everything is up especially gasoline

[22:03] we're getting all those sales tax

[22:04] increases so we're looking forward on

[22:07] that so you think million a million

[22:09] increase from 2023

[22:13] is is that conservative two yes yes I

[22:18] think it is should it go up a little bit

[22:20] more I I I would not put it up

[22:24] anymore excuse me John can you tell us

[22:26] the line number sorry sorry revenue is

[22:29] on Revenue page

[22:32] one uh a11

[22:35] a one0 got it

[22:39] yeah

[22:41] sorry put

[22:44] together so it's conservative but

[22:47] recommend stay the million yeah million

[22:49] pleas and the next one can we walk us

[22:51] through the last Revenue you had given

[22:54] us a statement here what

[22:56] kind that's for the benefit

[23:00] of

[23:05] sure the

[23:07] next the we talking about the

[23:10] 6.6 million 6.6 million yes yeah that is

[23:15] just to basically balance the books and

[23:18] uh that's what we have left over uh for

[23:20] our l l Revenue that was a calculation

[23:24] of um

[23:26] 5.2% uh what we received uh from the

[23:30] aror monies um so we do that calculation

[23:33] and I believe I sent everyone that sheet

[23:37] uh that shows uh the amount uh uh we

[23:40] actually received um but 6.6 million is

[23:44] what is left over and U that's just

[23:46] going to be filling the gap between our

[23:47] revenues and our

[23:52] expenditures any question on this so 6.6

[23:55] is what we have left in arpa and that's

[23:58] what that figure represent l so you're

[24:01] using that yes to cover our loss of

[24:03] Revenue

[24:04] correct and it could be we're not going

[24:06] to use it all like even like what we

[24:08] used last year we may not use it all

[24:10] this

[24:19] year are you good with that you go okay

[24:25] so we'll uh move to the next item the

[24:27] next one is a

[24:29] 101-100 city council there's a proposal

[24:32] for a 16% increase of city council

[24:36] member open for

[24:41] discussion sorry I brought this forward

[24:43] and so as you can see um I researched so

[24:47] the council hasn't received a increase

[24:50] siphon since 2002 and um we it's

[24:53] increased our duties have increased

[24:55] overall uh including doing the budget

[24:57] which is has increased over the years so

[24:59] uh at this point in time I was just

[25:00] putting forth that um to increase the

[25:02] stien for the city council members while

[25:05] at the same time um considering the uh

[25:08] outside Council which we had put in and

[25:10] reducing that since we had not used it

[25:12] but leaving um some of it in place

[25:14] 15,000 in order to just in case we

[25:17] needed but not

[25:19] um but not take but but taking some of

[25:22] it away um from the 25,000 that we had

[25:24] originally

[25:26] budgeted

[25:30] open

[25:31] question go ahead please so I would not

[25:34] support as I as I've mentioned the

[25:36] increase for city council um I don't

[25:38] think that that's really why we're here

[25:41] um doing the job but I also recommended

[25:44] that I think we should take out the

[25:45] entire 25,000 for the outside Council as

[25:48] we discussed last year I mean I think

[25:50] that um most of us um use our

[25:54] Corporation councel for any questions

[25:56] that we have and folks in the

[25:58] Corporation Council Office uh for

[26:00] questions that we have um when they come

[26:02] up so I just as we discussed last year I

[26:06] again do not think that we need that um

[26:08] in the budget at

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[26:17] all any other discussion on this item no

[26:21] I mean I understand your position so I

[26:22] mean so if it fall goes through and you

[26:25] know you could stand on principle and

[26:26] then if you you know feel like it's not

[26:28] something that you would want to take I

[26:29] understand

[26:36] that you got a question on this I we'll

[26:39] move to the next one 8

[26:42] 10144 I'm that's kind of like linked to

[26:44] the one before M propos increasing

[26:47] outside legal service by

[26:54] $10,000 H yeah it's it's currently 25

[26:57] 5,000 so this has been asked to reduce

[26:59] it to to

[27:07] 15,000 any discussion on

[27:11] this again I just don't think that we

[27:13] need it even the 15,000 but I would

[27:16] reduce it to

[27:20] zero any other comments on

[27:25] this sorry go ahead please

[27:28] I would just say based on a preparedness

[27:31] standpoint I definitely understand that

[27:32] our Corporation Council is willing and

[27:34] able to do this types of work but I

[27:36] think just because there's not an

[27:37] immediate use does not deter you from

[27:40] having these types of budget items as a

[27:42] just in case resource I think having it

[27:44] for another year to see if we are going

[27:46] to potentially utilizing it then I think

[27:47] I'd be more in favor of assessing uh

[27:50] it's uh long-term uh implications as a line

[27:56] number any other

[28:00] discussion seeing none we'll move to the

[28:02] next item is a 12

[28:06] 10-100 and that's adjusting the

[28:10] admin

[28:12] assistant so the current 2023 salary of

[28:23] 57392 open for

[28:26] discussion

[28:29] well you're not very

[28:32] consistent you give the

[28:36] uh Parks director

[28:39] 4% and you don't give anything

[28:55] here go ahead please

[28:58] I would just say there's blatant

[28:59] differences between a director and an

[29:01] administrative assistant no slate to

[29:03] either position because they're both

[29:05] vital to the seols long-term

[29:07] plans you can't use reasoning for one

[29:10] and not for the

[29:13] other go ahead um as I believe there was

[29:16] a there was a 4% increase in this line

[29:18] item from last year's budget to the

[29:21] 20123 and then it was vacant for a while

[29:24] and um this person came in very very

[29:27] recently so um I I I mean generally a 4%

[29:32] increas is is um like over something

[29:37] that's that hasn't been has been a long

[29:39] time and let me just also say I looked

[29:41] back and there was in 2020 between 2020

[29:43] and 2021 there was like no increase in

[29:45] this line whatsoever so This Is Not

[29:48] Unusual it's not like it's never

[29:49] happened before because when we P when

[29:51] the 2020 and 2021 budget was passed

[29:54] there was also not an increase in that line

[30:00] any other

[30:05] discussion I'm

[30:07] sorry just not

[30:09] really some people go upstairs well I do

[30:12] want to say I think the parks director

[30:14] was hired um in February perhaps I mean

[30:18] um so I think that that person has been

[30:20] in their position for almost a year or

[30:22] you know certainly by the time the um

[30:25] but the I don't know when the ad

[30:27] assistant was uh hired

[30:30] so it probably was very recently but I

[30:34] think maybe July maybe August and but

[30:36] very recently

[30:40] yes any other

[30:43] questions we'll move to the next one uh

[30:45] a13 plan

[30:48] 100 uh question on the proposal is to

[30:50] increase a deputy Finance commission

[30:53] position to

[30:56] $80,000 currently it's 78 so they

[31:09] bumping I know

[31:17] him there there's a currently 78 bu for

[31:22] proposed budget has about

[31:24] 78,000 we asked him to bring that 80,000

[31:28] and there's a little bit of reason for

[31:29] that there at the

[31:32] bottom I don't want I don't not SE fin

[31:36] retirement that's it

[31:40] but make

[31:41] it I didn't want to say it but you know

[31:44] how F to be doren's customer

[31:56] there

[32:11] ohes want to make sure we have

[32:13] succession plan in this department to

[32:16] our city

[32:19] and years so we want to make sure the

[32:21] transition happen and the deputy is

[32:24] equipped to carry on and we need to um

[32:28] you know put that in place as you see D

[32:31] does a great

[32:32] job he listens he change well and

[32:35] hopefully it's going to continue to even

[32:37] grow even

[32:39] more any question on

[32:43] this okay the next one

[32:46] here the assess um this

[32:50] a355

[32:52] 100 assessment

[32:55] office the s was um in front of us a

[32:58] couple of days mentioned to us that

[33:02] um he took um this you know Eng assessor

[33:06] exam pass the first Tri and you know she

[33:10] has a top certification and this was a

[33:12] two part question because there's one

[33:14] here and then there's another one in the

[33:15] back it's going to combine all two

[33:17] together and we had the opportunity to

[33:21] from her and I think that um we should

[33:24] um you know put some consideration in

[33:26] place

[33:27] to compensate her for certification and

[33:31] the qualification that she has she did

[33:34] mention that she has the only one in the

[33:36] New York State have qualification I'm

[33:38] not

[33:40] mistaken something close to that

[33:43] yes go ahead pleas I was going to say

[33:46] professional development is something

[33:48] that is uh needed in every organization

[33:50] and I think it's our responsibility to

[33:52] make sure that we properly incentivize

[33:54] that that a no way shape or form means

[33:56] giv people um 100% raise increases but I

[34:00] think that as they start to add more

[34:02] knowledge skills and abilities to their

[34:04] skill set uh City Hall is able to be

[34:06] more um effective in its businesses

[34:08] within that individuals

[34:12] scope we did ask for documentation I

[34:16] think attach to the

[34:20] today her is 93 she requested

[34:25] 933 you have this

[34:30] k64 more

[34:35] than

[34:38] bu64 oh 1,64 got

[34:55] it

[35:17] So currently the proposal is um 91

[35:22] 936 and she requested 93,000

[35:44] can I would support

[35:51] that there not much of a difference from

[35:53] the proposed budget and what is being

[35:55] asked from the Department next item is a420 D100

[36:08] law proposal is high power legal and

[36:12] then there's an N that's why the

[36:14] suggestion is being brought

[36:25] forward

[36:27] go ahead please I would like to ask if

[36:29] Mr Mr colon could weigh in on

[36:32] this um thank

[36:35] you um we do anticipate that one of the

[36:37] parktime attorneys um who's been working

[36:39] for us for quite a while now um will be

[36:42] leaving um at the end of the year full

[36:45] retirement um he's already retired from

[36:49] the DA's office and um he's been doing

[36:51] phenomenal work for us in fact we

[36:54] actually had a judgment today in court

[36:56] from a trial over

[36:58] $100,000 F in sus um this a case that he

[37:02] handled um as it's noted here we do have

[37:06] unfilled assistant Corporation Council

[37:07] positions obviously we're trying to fill

[37:10] those positions um you I don't know what

[37:14] will happen in 2024 as a plus to the

[37:17] other administrative staff um know we

[37:21] get a lot of oil requests obviously as

[37:23] you all know and technology has changed

[37:25] um where we now cam so there's more

[37:27] redactions to do and more video to

[37:29] review and all of that and that consumes

[37:31] a great deal of time uh there'll never

[37:33] be a shortage of notice of claims that

[37:35] are filed against the city um and Code

[37:38] Enforcement cases that come up um from

[37:40] the building department for us to

[37:41] prosecute and um having obviously you

[37:45] know if we can't fill the assistant

[37:47] Corporation Council positions um there's

[37:49] always going to be a need for additional

[37:51] support staff um we have two paralal

[37:54] currently in the office who don't don't

[37:56] have the title paralal um they have code

[37:59] enforcement specialist and record access

[38:03] officer um having a paralal could

[38:05] provide additional assistance um to

[38:08] handle closings drop documents um things

[38:11] along those lines um so that the

[38:14] attorneys that we do have can you know

[38:17] um essentially do the the things that

[38:19] attorney only attorneys can do go to

[38:21] court um and so

[38:25] forth what would be an average salary I

[38:29] there's no there's no salary attached to

[38:31] that recommendation so yeah it's Guided

[38:33] by I believe it may fall under um that's

[38:36] a this open question I don't I don't

[38:38] know if it falls under

[38:39] CCA I believe it does so there would be

[38:43] a grade associated with that in steps

[38:45] and so

[38:51] forth and one more question there

[38:54] because you did mention when we met um

[38:56] that that the other two positions were

[38:58] doing paralal work um

[39:02] so basically there they would be moved

[39:06] from doing paralal work or they still

[39:08] would do paralal work it's just Within

[39:10] These one with

[39:11] codes

[39:13] they um they do the work that they're

[39:17] required to do for the job description

[39:20] um they used to be par illegals they

[39:23] have those other job titles now so

[39:25] they're doing things specific to those

[39:27] job titles a paralal would have to

[39:30] follow the description that would be

[39:32] provided to the Civil Service since it's

[39:34] a civil service position uh that said

[39:37] the two people that are currently um in

[39:40] those positions don't do real property

[39:42] work they don't do closings they don't

[39:43] have that experience um and it doesn't

[39:46] now fall within their job descriptions

[39:49] um par legal would be able to do that

[39:52] work the closings

[39:54] right and then you know ideally we would

[39:57] look to somebody specific to handle that

[39:59] type of work you know to fill the voids

[40:02] that we currently

[40:04] have do you think it would be easier to

[40:07] fill the power legal position the

[40:10] attorney

[40:11] position I don't know if I can answer

[40:13] that since we haven't you know um

[40:16] created that position to you know know

[40:18] who's test you know who's been testing

[40:20] for it um you know an attorney position

[40:23] is you know a little different because

[40:25] it's you know management

[40:27] um doesn't have civil service

[40:32] requirements go ahead please and I'm

[40:35] going to say I appreciate your candidate

[40:36] absolutely having more attorneys is more

[40:38] appropriate you can use them uh more

[40:40] seamlessly but definitely I think my

[40:43] position would be how do we get you the

[40:45] proper support and it seems that you're

[40:47] more or less open to that so I I think U

[40:51] understanding how can we get you the

[40:52] bodies that you can best use to support

[40:54] this uh legal burden more than

[40:56] appropriate and then definitely making

[40:58] sure we don't permanently close those

[41:04] lines any other question on

[41:08] this all right now we move

[41:14] on you resource I think this is

[41:17] answer by Mr

[41:19] Gardner well I'm not go ahead please I'm

[41:23] not sure if he answered the question why

[41:25] it wasn't funded think he was more

[41:27] answering did he need it or not that's

[41:30] what that's what I heard from him um but

[41:33] so and I'm not really sure if we

[41:37] ever I'm not sure if Miss Ali really

[41:39] said why it wasn't

[41:40] funded I'm not because we gave him all

[41:44] we gave over 20 applications they never

[41:47] filled the

[41:48] position yeah we did have discussion

[41:50] around that where there's other unfilled

[41:53] positions um so he did state today that

[41:55] he needed so I I I guess the discussion

[41:57] becomes you know do we fail one or both

[41:59] of those positions and there was someone

[42:01] who was off of the position but then got

[42:03] a better position so they never actually

[42:05] took it so it's not like there was

[42:07] nothing done so I guess it's start yeah

[42:11] well I I think that happens a lot

[42:12] depending on if you got a better salary

[42:13] then you just you know you take the

[42:15] better salary the effect pattern

[42:17] deviates from what was articulated here

[42:19] would be a Personnel issue Council have

[42:22] to move into executive session be

[42:24] briefed on that okay thank you so so

[42:27] let's put

[42:28] this executive session y

[42:38] absolutely

[42:42] okay let's move on to the next one

[42:44] that's

[42:47] a623

[42:49] and4 utility admin explain the signal

[42:53] superintendent payou that's actually for

[42:55] two two people that's

[42:58] for that's where the mixup is kind of

[43:00] like yeah for the signal superintendent

[43:02] and the principal so you have like a

[43:05] break down light so kind of

[43:08] like so it's kind of

[43:11] like it doesn't look like there is one

[43:13] individual that is stand for two

[43:17] yeah Mr mad but I don't think there's

[43:19] any um I personally don't think there's

[43:22] any discussion there I mean you can

[43:23] correct me if I'm wrong but if you have

[43:25] to pay it out you have pay it out right

[43:26] isn't that a contractual correct noding

[43:30] yeah I think the question is

[43:33] understanding as to the accumulation of

[43:36] the unus si le and vacation time well as

[43:39] you can see as you see the people that

[43:41] are involved have been here like myself

[43:44] back in the 80s when that was the

[43:46] contractural thing as you see as as the

[43:49] years went along uh the contract has

[43:52] changed excuse me the contracts have

[43:55] changed so so that now

[43:58] uh want to correct you there's no

[44:01] contract invol it's the terms and

[44:04] conditions that are adopted by the city

[44:06] council Council had those in place that

[44:09] made those

[44:12] correct go ahead please um so I remember

[44:16] something similar to this I was not on

[44:17] the council at the time um Chief far

[44:20] that that was back so was back in 2011

[44:22] where um there was something about him

[44:25] his payout for him leaving and as I

[44:28] remember there was some conversation

[44:30] about as M fact mayor you were the

[44:31] council president then um about that

[44:34] changing so that something like that

[44:36] didn't happen again I distinctly

[44:38] remember that um so I was just wondering

[44:41] so that's actually a different thing

[44:44] that's Public Service benefits well they

[44:46] were

[44:48] allowing to collect overtime to

[44:52] compensate for what he felt

[44:54] was

[44:56] something that he a benefit he didn't

[44:59] get because he had taken a job of Scotia

[45:01] and came back here and that's when we

[45:04] put it on the

[45:05] ballot so there was a Amendment to the

[45:09] Charter that the voters voted in

[45:13] where and that was the department head

[45:16] of the finance director was working that

[45:17] out prior

[45:20] Administration uh there was some

[45:22] question whether not they could do it or

[45:25] not do it and we took it to the voters

[45:27] so that the sole discretion for those

[45:29] things is the city

[45:31] council which was approved

[45:34] in November

[45:36] 2011 and just want to mention too the

[45:39] public service managers have a different

[45:41] uh benefit benefit package then other

[45:45] managers I just want to make sure that

[45:47] this plan is I mean that he falls that

[45:49] there was no Amendment no that I think

[45:52] uh we sent you the copy of the good

[45:56] everybody has a copy of that yes

[46:02] okay so thisp a separate

[46:11] docum again it's for two

[46:14] people I didn't think I got

[46:18] that no

[46:24] not

[46:28] any other question on

[46:31] this the next item is a 1989 495

[46:38] a-2 a miscellaneous andri expense the

[46:42] request is

[46:44] to remove the mayor's recruitment

[46:49] fund and the other one is a contingency

[46:52] is to explain the 6,000 movements

[46:56] and the actual if you look at the actual

[46:59] there the 60,000

[47:24] movement

[47:41] exp I think on the last time you gave us

[47:43] so here

[47:46] on you gave it to us the last time I

[47:54] think

[48:13] do should be in

[48:18] expenses well give the year to dat right

[48:24] yes

[48:29] so be just for the revenues John

[48:32] requested this was the one that you gave

[48:34] out last week and I thought I saw it

[48:39] here I'm not

[48:54] it

[48:56] transfer adjustments I I have to check

[48:58] that out I

[49:00] exactly

[49:04] yeah I sent um a corrected Year date to

[49:08] the council

[49:15] email

[49:18] 18 I'm sorry that was what it was that

[49:22] was the year the adopted budget right

[49:26] in to dat gotcha gotcha I know I saw it

[49:30] was it was there an explanation I I

[49:33] didn't I didn't hear either he said he's

[49:35] not sure have to look I yeah he has it

[49:38] but he's not sure okay I see it I have

[49:40] to look you want I guess I'm not really

[49:43] understanding the question can you just

[49:44] tell me what you mean by the question an

[49:46] error it's an error this could be an

[49:49] error yes yeah yeah that's where the

[49:51] question was asked why was it $60,000

[49:53] removed from the contingency by

[49:56] a reduction we don't see where it

[49:59] doesn't I can find it

[50:01] okay oh you're looking at something that

[50:04] I don't have I

[50:05] see we adopted 360 is that what you're

[50:09] saying yes we did yes 300 I think the

[50:12] 300,000 it says 300 yes but it was

[50:15] reduced by 60,000 in the actual okay

[50:18] gotcha so

[50:22] want I'm guessing that's a

[50:26] hope it's an so he just have well

[50:28] contingency what was it used to pay for

[50:30] could have been taken out we use it for

[50:32] you know lot of demolitions any fires uh

[50:36] any you know uh uh IRS fees or any uh

[50:40] Government taxes and stuff like that you

[50:42] know so you want to look it up now or

[50:48] you see where

[50:51] transfer I don't think this is the

[50:54] material change anything this is just a

[50:57] qu no no I

[50:59] think yeah we'll send it here

[51:04] yeah it was just an observation to make

[51:06] sure I an error to correct it back and

[51:09] put it back in

[51:13] place any other

[51:16] questions okay we'll move to um actually

[51:19] backing up a little bit so

[51:23] I I think we were told the mayor recruitment funds

[51:28] wasn't necessarily just mayor

[51:30] recruitment funds um so one of the

[51:32] things I was suggesting was just

[51:33] changing the name of it but I don't know

[51:34] about removing the money because the

[51:37] money actually was used by other

[51:38] departments I believe right right we we

[51:41] moved it into contingency because uh

[51:44] when it was in the mayor's budget we

[51:45] were told that the only could be used

[51:47] for the mayor's budget so that's why we

[51:49] moved into into miscellaneous you moved

[51:51] it into miscellaneous miscellaneous yeah and that was this that was what it

[51:56] was called so we kept it that name you

[51:58] know so again how much I just don't know

[52:02] that we should remove the 15,000 is all

[52:05] I'm saying but we could change the name

[52:07] just a recruitment fund was something

[52:08] that we talked about the other

[52:10] night yeah I had that on my

[52:13] questions what was it what was it before

[52:17] I I think this when this was put in

[52:21] place

[52:24] May

[52:25] 15000 when went to use it so we couldn't

[52:28] use it for

[52:31] anybody just it ca confusion the other

[52:34] evening because it was called mayor

[52:35] recruitment funds all I'm suggesting is

[52:37] that we change the name to recruitment

[52:39] funds and leave it where it is at 15,000

[52:41] in that miscellaneous line because I

[52:44] think it was explained to us the other

[52:45] evening that it is

[52:47] used um for other areas not the mayor's

[52:50] office correct

[52:54] okay go ahead please so um look as I see

[52:58] it wasn't none of it was used last year

[53:00] according to this and um and what they

[53:04] said was they moved it there because

[53:05] this we're talking about next year's

[53:07] budget so it's not that it's already

[53:08] being used it has the opportunity to be

[53:10] used correct but last year there was

[53:11] none used I mean I won't call it last

[53:14] year I'll call it this year one of the

[53:15] reasons was that because it was under

[53:16] the mayor's budget there we were told it

[53:19] can only increase it for the mayor's

[53:22] budget people and we're like no we

[53:24] wanted to use it for

[53:25] other people you anybody that we H it

[53:28] was clear the legislative intent was to

[53:30] allow sen to hire people Citywide not

[53:34] just in the mayor's

[53:37] office there were no cases where we used

[53:40] it because we

[53:42] had uh periods of time where line items

[53:46] were vacant so anytime where the salary

[53:49] was increased there was money within

[53:51] that line so we stayed within the

[53:54] approved budg budget

[53:57] and you know going forward you want to

[54:01] take that out take it out you know

[54:03] situation comes up where I need more

[54:04] money I'll come back to end something

[54:06] but at this point you know we've worked

[54:08] within the adopted budget to can make

[54:13] things work and overall hiring has just

[54:15] been difficult to find

[54:17] people across the board it's not we

[54:21] don't have enough money we don't have

[54:24] enough

[54:26] candidates

[54:27] okay any other a question on

[54:34] that see now we move to

[54:36] [Music]

[54:38] a989

[54:39] 499 and that has to do with a senior

[54:44] center there's a recommendation here to

[54:47] fund all the Senor Center under this

[54:51] line including the the one that is

[54:55] currently funded on on this line and

[54:58] add AOH under this line

[55:03] also at

[55:05] 808 anent order of

[55:10] H

[55:12] so goe so what you're suggesting with

[55:15] this is that rather than the Hibernians

[55:18] having to apply for cdpg funds that

[55:20] would be out of the operating budget

[55:22] that's

[55:23] correct so all all the senior cies on

[55:26] those one

[55:30] L so would you want to make the total

[55:32] budget be it will be whatever was um

[55:37] think it's 45 you'd have to add $49,000

[55:40] I think to that you had you had a

[55:42] revision yes well the Catholic Charity's

[55:45] budget is 60,000 for the year

[55:47] 2024 and then I think oh I think that

[55:52] the senior centers from the Hibernian

[55:54] gets on I think I think 20,000 from cdbg

[55:57] and they were going to be short 14 so

[56:00] yeah that was we have reserve on the

[56:03] cdbg to cover the isn't that yes I think

[56:08] D sent that to you

[56:09] today you

[56:12] those yeah um there's two line items

[56:16] through CBG currently um one was

[56:19] budgeted for 18,000 AG 46 we have about

[56:23] 5.6 pay left the other one was uh 3,000

[56:27] we still have that 3,000 change

[56:31] available so 8,000 Al together

[56:35] 9,000 8,000 or

[56:37] 9,000

[56:40] approximately I agree with what you're

[56:42] trying to do

[56:44] there with the exception I would

[56:48] recommend that we use already approved

[56:51] cdbg

[56:52] money uh which won't quite conform to

[56:56] the calendar year so some of this would

[56:58] go into next year and then really in the

[57:01] 25 budget we would then say put it all

[57:06] out of General funds but we use

[57:08] whatever's already been approved through

[57:10] the cdbg process to fund the hians or

[57:16] the other meil sites and then make up

[57:20] the difference with the general fund

[57:23] appropriation that make sense to me

[57:26] which would mean that we would still

[57:27] need to add a little bit money to this

[57:29] budget line if the big question is the

[57:34] documentation and getting all the

[57:37] support and volunteers to continue the

[57:40] program it's very difficult for them um

[57:44] so they they're

[57:46] struggling but I think they've got

[57:48] everything in order

[57:49] for this year and

[57:53] if we need something we're going to make

[57:56] up the

[57:59] difference I don't think but I want to

[58:01] use the money ins out of

[58:03] [Music]

[58:04] CVG

[58:09] first okay how is the other Senior

[58:12] Center doing I mean they told

[58:15] that posi things right I did write to

[58:18] them um and she was supposed to get me

[58:19] something today but she did not um I

[58:21] asked her for a written report I

[58:23] indicated the questions that you all had

[58:26] um and she did she was going to get it

[58:29] today but I didn't get it today so

[58:31] before today I asked her for it Jen we

[58:34] the AOH site might be in a deficit we

[58:38] haven't expended on these other sites so

[58:41] there's enough

[58:42] money on the table that I believe I have

[58:46] the authority to match up to pay those

[58:49] bills and then just going forward is

[58:51] what we have in place for next year

[58:55] I I think that's exactly you're trying

[58:58] to get yes go ahead so I mean yeah I did

[59:01] and Mr pal many also uh wrote it back

[59:03] because I had the wrong date of our next

[59:06] meeting but um you know I did suggest to

[59:08] her that they come and make a

[59:09] presentation at our next committee

[59:11] meeting as well um which obviously is

[59:13] not in time for this but

[59:16] um she would be I think she was I can't

[59:20] remember if she wrote us back for that

[59:21] one now yeah we had asked for her to to

[59:23] email the documation to support right

[59:26] and I did not get it yet so maybe I'll

[59:28] have it by Friday but I did not get it

[59:30] by today we don't know 45 or 60 the

[59:33] budget that they've given us for 2024 is

[59:35] 60 but yes it's that's a a budget that

[59:39] would Encompass three running senior

[59:41] centers and as we mentioned the other

[59:43] night we don't currently have three

[59:44] running senior centers but we're hoping

[59:47] to have that in place because currently

[59:49] we budget 45,000 for line and we only

[59:52] spent about $10,000 actually right yeah

[59:55] on the tree size because it's

[59:59] not so there's money there to make up

[1:00:01] whatever the may need but to still use

[1:00:07] what the cdbg balance is 9,000

[1:00:15] 1765 people and then they have their

[1:00:23] allocation yeah yeah but when did they

[1:00:26] get it the I'm not sure when the year is

[1:00:29] but he definitely indicated that he had

[1:00:31] a $20,000

[1:00:34] CD for for for 2023 not

[1:00:40] 2024 okay I think everybody everybody go

[1:00:44] ahead please oh so we would spend that

[1:00:47] that's yeah that's exactly what I agree

[1:00:49] with me in terms because the volunteers

[1:00:52] they're not getting a m of volunteers

[1:00:54] the documentation and things like that

[1:00:56] so tapping into this line and utilize

[1:00:58] some of the balance against the 45 will

[1:00:59] help them along the because people are

[1:01:01] falling apart they're moving away

[1:01:03] because no he definitely

[1:01:05] need

[1:01:07] exactly so I'm good with that I'm good

[1:01:10] with that

[1:01:11] explanation and I will get you the other

[1:01:22] documentation so in that because then

[1:01:25] there's another question it's like at

[1:01:27] the back where we're so are we going to

[1:01:29] talk about increasing this line to the

[1:01:33] 60,000 or not because that's separate I

[1:01:36] mean it's I mean it's not separate it's

[1:01:37] the same discuss no it is yeah I hear

[1:01:39] what you're saying so I guess that's up

[1:01:40] to the council but um the Catholic

[1:01:43] Charity's budget that they gave us was

[1:01:44] for

[1:01:46] $60,000 um there's 45 here I mean

[1:01:50] that's it's it's definitely going to be

[1:01:52] dependent on when they get everything

[1:01:53] else up been running but I would well

[1:01:56] that should be relatively I think so too

[1:01:58] food costs have gone up that's why the

[1:02:00] increase in the expenses the bellw site

[1:02:03] is very successful the new St John site

[1:02:06] is pretty successful it's I'm honor of

[1:02:09] getting the third site up and running

[1:02:11] and going into the new year the Hamilton

[1:02:14] Hill site unfortunately was just a

[1:02:17] disaster as was the uh

[1:02:21] Goose yeah we talked about it the other

[1:02:23] night

[1:02:25] so may I suggest just keep the keep it

[1:02:27] at the 45 and then when we have the

[1:02:30] report presentation we can always do an

[1:02:32] amendment next year to increase it and

[1:02:34] to add these four

[1:02:37] centers fund these four centers

[1:02:39] adequately

[1:02:43] funding I don't think that should be any

[1:02:45] none of us no I don't we want to so I'm

[1:02:49] okay with keeping the 45 may explain

[1:02:51] there the $9,000 remaining CBG so

[1:02:55] I born in 45 and pay the bills get a

[1:02:58] bill paid we can RIT after the

[1:03:02] presentation and see if we need to

[1:03:04] increase it to the

[1:03:09] 60 CU Ians needed another 14 on addition

[1:03:14] unless others have suggestion do you

[1:03:16] want to move it to 60,000 right now and

[1:03:17] not avoid an amendment so that will

[1:03:19] cover for all four centers yeah I think

[1:03:24] it will

[1:03:26] at disapp pointed we've only used Mr Fry

[1:03:28] we've only used $10,000 of the

[1:03:31] 45 I believe so yeah that's

[1:03:35] correct and and

[1:03:37] um I can't think of his name he already

[1:03:41] secured $20,000 for cdbg y Dave so but

[1:03:46] they just need uh 14 more yes and we

[1:03:51] need 60 yes and we should have 35

[1:03:54] left doesn't roll they don't roll they

[1:03:58] don't roll over but I think there's a

[1:04:00] little bit of wiggle room yeah with the

[1:04:03] c with this I would suggest we put the

[1:04:06] 60 in there now that's what I think too

[1:04:09] instead of revisiting if that's what

[1:04:10] cathol charity say they

[1:04:13] need so the suggestion is on the table

[1:04:15] to increase this line by 15,000 to make

[1:04:18] it

[1:04:20] 60,000 and this will help to cover the

[1:04:23] four

[1:04:24] plus the city whatever that go ahead

[1:04:28] please no I would support that and I

[1:04:30] just want to as um as was stated that

[1:04:32] there were two sites that didn't weren't

[1:04:35] successful we'll say but I want to make

[1:04:37] sure that when we whatever the fourth

[1:04:39] site is or the when we get the to I call

[1:04:42] the fourth because I'm concluding the

[1:04:43] Hibernian that we make sure that they're

[1:04:46] um they're spread out within within the

[1:04:48] city and it's not concentrated all in

[1:04:50] one part of the city and I did I think

[1:04:51] that's important um into the email that

[1:04:54] sent um to them the other

[1:04:56] day Okay so yeah it's um I think we're

[1:05:01] going to use it you also have to

[1:05:03] remember having the SS here hits the key

[1:05:06] neighborhoods that are trying to be hit

[1:05:08] the north side Hamilton Hill Mount

[1:05:13] Pleasant those are all relatively close

[1:05:15] as is the stock Cas so those would be

[1:05:19] here wood lawn's covered B views covered

[1:05:22] how's Hamilton Hill in Pleasant

[1:05:25] covered I having the site relatively

[1:05:28] over here it's literally just a few

[1:05:30] blocks you mean St John's

[1:05:34] yes I wouldn't call it a few blocks but

[1:05:38] okay if you have to trudge in the snow I

[1:05:41] can call three Block it's some distance

[1:05:46] yeah any other question on this so we're

[1:05:49] um I make notes here so we can make

[1:05:51] notes on that that would be increased to

[1:05:54] was

[1:05:56] 60,000 any other question on this okay

[1:05:59] we're moving to a 3122

[1:06:05] d112 The Proposal here is to increase

[1:06:08] the 2023 over time line by

[1:06:12] 44,1 161 to bring that line to $2

[1:06:21] million here's a Nar l that's the

[1:06:25] why yeah that's not an

[1:06:31] increase the narrative talks about

[1:06:34] decreases line it increase it so what

[1:06:37] are you

[1:06:38] doing I was confused right that

[1:06:41] too they're

[1:06:43] cutting decreasing by

[1:06:46] 500,000 right an

[1:06:50] increase it's an increase on top of 2023

[1:06:53] like

[1:06:57] 456 but it's a decrease adjustment of

[1:07:01] yes it's not what's totally asked

[1:07:04] for no right that's what it is

[1:07:12] 500,000 yeah I wouldn't support

[1:07:15] decreasing that budget I think that

[1:07:17] especially now while we're still having

[1:07:19] issues in terms of recruiting additional

[1:07:21] officers and and such I mean I think

[1:07:24] clear case was made for overtime um by

[1:07:27] the chief and the assistant chief when

[1:07:29] they were here the other day so I would

[1:07:31] like to keep that at the uh suggested

[1:07:34] the suggested expense in the

[1:07:40] budget go ahead please so um as I recall

[1:07:43] the conversation as well that the chief

[1:07:45] said they were going to be putting new

[1:07:46] officers on and

[1:07:49] um in May so that you know that should I

[1:07:53] would expect more more officers less

[1:07:54] overtime for those currently and as I

[1:07:58] recall you know when they came to us

[1:07:59] regarding axon and and all the other um

[1:08:03] technological advances one of the things

[1:08:05] that was said time and time again was

[1:08:07] that this would give officers more time

[1:08:09] on the street and reduce them having to

[1:08:11] be um doing come back into the station

[1:08:15] do a lot of things so therefore not

[1:08:16] kicking into overtime I remember that

[1:08:18] being part of the discussion those

[1:08:22] discussions

[1:08:25] go ahead pleas um so uh just to say that

[1:08:29] yes they're having more officers and may

[1:08:31] also explain that from the time some you

[1:08:33] know uh recruits start their program

[1:08:36] it's about a year so I don't know how

[1:08:38] many recruits he'll have starting in May

[1:08:40] and he did mention that they lose a lot

[1:08:41] of folks as soon as they go through

[1:08:43] training so we we can't automatically

[1:08:45] assume that there's there'll be enough

[1:08:47] officers coming on in May or a year from

[1:08:49] the next recruitment class so um I

[1:08:52] definitely would not want to put myself

[1:08:54] in the entire city at Bay by not

[1:08:56] allowing the additional overtime U I

[1:09:01] agree go ahead please right I think it's

[1:09:03] important to make like two distinctions

[1:09:06] uh one proposing a budget in all shapes

[1:09:09] and FES doesn't mean that it's a

[1:09:11] guaranteed ask I think we had the same

[1:09:13] conversation last year we're looking at

[1:09:15] this recommended uh amount is a

[1:09:18] significant increase to the 2023 adopted

[1:09:21] budget uh I think Chief Cliff has been a

[1:09:23] parent as saying that the community is

[1:09:25] not at Jeopardy and I think it is also

[1:09:28] important to note that the Investments

[1:09:29] that we're making in uh some of the

[1:09:32] anti-violence programs I think at some

[1:09:34] point those are going to need to either

[1:09:37] assist with curving and addressing some

[1:09:39] of the um prevent preventative U

[1:09:43] mechanisms that are providing

[1:09:44] individuals help lless to use violence

[1:09:47] um but also I do agree with Miss

[1:09:48] Porterfield that investments in

[1:09:50] technology uh to equp this point has

[1:09:53] yielded improvements um so I think uh

[1:09:56] increasing it beyond the adopted to 2023

[1:09:59] budget is a consideration I'm willing to

[1:10:01] make and then uh confidently uh seeking

[1:10:05] out that these eight individuals that

[1:10:06] are going to graduate from the academy

[1:10:07] in May 2024 and the continued efforts of

[1:10:10] not only police department but also our

[1:10:13] uh Community programs to invest in

[1:10:15] community policing that supports the

[1:10:17] entire community of sity uh taking up

[1:10:20] this this uh not fight um for this

[1:10:24] stance of how do we address and make

[1:10:26] sure that our public is safe I think

[1:10:28] that is a comfortable

[1:10:32] number I do want to point out that we

[1:10:35] spent almost 2500 uh 2.5 million in um

[1:10:39] 20122 so already the 2023 budget was

[1:10:44] like a million dollars less and um I I'm

[1:10:48] sorry I didn't bring my what what have

[1:10:50] we spent so far our year to date is 1.8

[1:10:52] million 1. 8 million 18 1.84 Z 577 so we

[1:10:58] have about I don't know like 150,000 um

[1:11:03] to remain for the rest of

[1:11:06] 2023 because right now they we're 25

[1:11:09] people short on the street so I don't

[1:11:12] know I mean I think that was the

[1:11:13] justification and I hear you know the

[1:11:16] technology piece I think will help

[1:11:19] moving forward but I still think that

[1:11:21] that's still pretty new as well in terms

[1:11:23] of

[1:11:24] being um

[1:11:27] operational so I think it's going to

[1:11:29] take some time to see the you know

[1:11:31] hopeful hopeful um outcome that we are

[1:11:36] anticipating with that as

[1:11:38] well so where did you get our 25 from

[1:11:41] where did I get the

[1:11:44] 22481 349 is what we spent in 20 no no you're saying that were 13 24 people

[1:11:51] 13 vacancies 12 in training and 25

[1:11:54] people short on the street is what they

[1:11:56] said the other evening when they came

[1:11:57] and presented is coming on in May

[1:12:05] yep unless I wrote it down wrong but

[1:12:07] that's what

[1:12:09] iy 12 training is going on in me that's

[1:12:14] what yeah maybe I wrote it down anybody

[1:12:18] else

[1:12:20] okay I had a question on this

[1:12:24] then we'll move

[1:12:27] into we'll move into a 3123

[1:12:31] d112 and there is a proposal here to

[1:12:35] increase on the 2023 of timeline by

[1:12:40] 105,000 to bring that line to 2024 line

[1:12:45] to 880,000

[1:12:52] currently leader line the

[1:12:55] propos

[1:13:03] 990,000 again I mean look at what we

[1:13:05] spent in 2022 1259 893 so

[1:13:10] um you know not in 2023 2022 2022 I'm

[1:13:16] just looking and I'm I'm looking at our

[1:13:18] year to date right now it's

[1:13:22] 86399 so

[1:13:23] it's it it I guess I'm guessing with the

[1:13:26] crime going down and all the technology

[1:13:28] that's added you can see that we're not quite it even that what we're

[1:13:32] out we're considering allocating for

[1:13:36] 2024 the year to date please so

[1:13:40] technology is really not going to help

[1:13:41] too much in the investigation piece

[1:13:43] because you get a murder or something

[1:13:45] you have just look at the the murders

[1:13:49] that we had that's where all the extra

[1:13:51] costs are uh it's just Manpower and just

[1:13:54] trudging through it that's where the

[1:13:56] expenses

[1:13:59] are go ahead please I would just

[1:14:01] disagree only for an instance that

[1:14:03] everything generates paperwork and my

[1:14:05] time um I need to go more recently I

[1:14:08] think saving that time is also c as

[1:14:15] well just a process question so when we

[1:14:18] get through all of these things we're

[1:14:19] going to go back and make final

[1:14:21] decisions right we're not these are not

[1:14:22] our

[1:14:24] yeah I'm running this through every

[1:14:26] discussion okay then we'll go back and U

[1:14:30] just move quickly through them if we are

[1:14:33] for or against

[1:14:35] it any other question on

[1:14:41] this seeing none we'll move to a 3412

[1:14:47] d112 and this is the fire fighter ask is

[1:14:50] increase over 2023 over time line by

[1:14:55] 209,000 and to bring the 2024 proposed

[1:14:58] line to a mil

[1:15:02] 70,000 so cutting 500,000 from the

[1:15:06] request right it was

[1:15:22] 1.57

[1:15:25] open

[1:15:27] professionals um as I was offer the I'm

[1:15:31] sorry I'll offer the year to date which

[1:15:32] is

[1:15:36] 75458 754 I'm sorry

[1:15:40] 586 93 cents I think that went up 10 we

[1:15:44] were 740 when we talked about it last

[1:15:47] time yeah so that's how much it went up

[1:15:49] just since

[1:15:50] 74 14,000

[1:15:55] that print out was come October

[1:16:01] 4th question ahead please if I'm not

[1:16:04] looking at you please call

[1:16:06] me I'm buring my head in here trying to

[1:16:08] make no I would say I absolutely hear

[1:16:11] the statements from my colleagues uh but

[1:16:13] I would say if your stance is that

[1:16:16] overtime is needed then I think my

[1:16:17] response would be then what are the

[1:16:19] benefits of having us continually fund

[1:16:21] Public Safety Foundation efforts

[1:16:24] well I have to say that the public

[1:16:26] safety Foundation efforts are complet

[1:16:28] it's like comparing apples and oranges

[1:16:30] the reason that we have the public

[1:16:31] safety foundations is so that the

[1:16:33] officers can be out there at community

[1:16:35] events like common Unity

[1:16:37] or I'd have to go back and look at other

[1:16:41] events but I think those are it's it's

[1:16:43] like having

[1:16:46] um this this is Public Safety I mean in

[1:16:49] terms of fire and police to have the

[1:16:51] overtime because we need it right now

[1:16:53] we're you obviously using it in terms of

[1:16:55] getting folks out there on the street

[1:16:59] whether they're fighting fires or

[1:17:00] fighting crime versus um I think it's 25

[1:17:04] for each right $50,000 total for the

[1:17:07] police and the

[1:17:09] fire it's getting like they going to

[1:17:12] family fund day at steth Park giving out

[1:17:15] stuff or or SC AC this weekend um you

[1:17:19] know what I mean it's like a it's like

[1:17:21] having opportunity for our firefighters

[1:17:24] and our police to

[1:17:26] be interacting in an informal way with

[1:17:30] the community versus for

[1:17:32] $50,000

[1:17:34] versus them doing the work of Public

[1:17:38] Safety um so that's the difference I see

[1:17:43] go ahead please I would say the times

[1:17:45] that I've seen the firefighters out in

[1:17:46] the public they're handing out pamphlets

[1:17:47] and brochures that are promoting best

[1:17:50] safe practices to decrease of fires and

[1:17:52] homes

[1:17:53] so I think these types of efforts are

[1:17:55] very important and I think very vital to

[1:17:58] not only addressing households in

[1:18:00] general but also uh to making sure that

[1:18:02] we're addressing these concerns with

[1:18:04] people at their infantile stages so that

[1:18:06] kids grow up with this understanding and

[1:18:08] naturally incorporate into their lives

[1:18:10] but I I imagine that they're having

[1:18:11] these types of conversations I don't

[1:18:13] think that they're just talking about

[1:18:15] how cool their uniforms look even no but

[1:18:17] are you suggesting that we cut the 50

[1:18:19] the 25 and the 25 I'm saying that these

[1:18:22] I'm saying these typ of efforts have an

[1:18:23] impact on our community totally great oh

[1:18:26] no totally but I'm saying specifically

[1:18:28] with respect to improving Public Safety

[1:18:31] so I'm saying these types of Investments

[1:18:33] that we're making should have cost

[1:18:35] savings overall in

[1:18:37] overtime not on the own but cumulatively

[1:18:40] and I'm wrapping in the technological Investments we're making

[1:18:43] also and the fact that we are bringing

[1:18:45] in our officer or not in respect to the

[1:18:48] Fire Department chief uh Chief Marino is

[1:18:50] reevaluating how to make sure that he is

[1:18:52] increasing a staffing level by thinking

[1:18:54] of a revolutionary concept of now hiring

[1:18:57] EMTs and training them I think these

[1:18:59] types of Investments are going to allow

[1:19:00] us to mind cost savings I I totally

[1:19:04] agree with what you just said but I

[1:19:05] think it it's going to take some time

[1:19:06] for those things to happen and so I

[1:19:09] think we're in agreement that the 25 and

[1:19:11] the 25 obviously are adding to

[1:19:15] the safety issues I don't disagree with

[1:19:18] you there but I still think that boots

[1:19:20] on the ground um fighting fires and F in

[1:19:23] crime um has to happen and I also agree

[1:19:26] with you that I thought you know they're

[1:19:28] both trying to have as many creative

[1:19:31] ways to increase recruitment I mean

[1:19:33] clearly unfortunately um some of the

[1:19:37] negative things that have happened over

[1:19:39] the last few years have have um placed a

[1:19:43] stigma on people not applying to be

[1:19:45] police officers for example um I think

[1:19:48] it's different with the firefighters but

[1:19:50] I guess you know from talking with Chief

[1:19:51] Marino there's been a reduction in the

[1:19:54] number of people that want to go into

[1:19:55] firefighting as well um so I just think

[1:19:59] I hear what you're saying but I think

[1:20:02] going into a classroom of third graders

[1:20:04] and teaching them about fire safety is

[1:20:06] really important and is something that

[1:20:08] probably has been happening even all our

[1:20:09] lives right um but I think having still

[1:20:13] the amount of funding that they need and

[1:20:15] that they're requesting to go out and do

[1:20:17] their jobs I think in the immediate as

[1:20:20] opposed to when that third grader

[1:20:23] you know hopefully is owning a house and

[1:20:27] trying their best to prevent fires um

[1:20:31] you know no I I I can speak on this one

[1:20:34] because it was a recommendation from me

[1:20:35] and you were putting $50,000 towards

[1:20:38] Public Safety Foundation under the

[1:20:39] police and was me as a um contribution

[1:20:42] to say let's split it between the two

[1:20:44] Department 25 years to get them involved

[1:20:47] in the community so that they can bridge

[1:20:49] that Gap you know that stigma that is

[1:20:51] happening interact with Community to get

[1:20:53] them more involved let's hear what's

[1:20:54] happening out there and I think they're

[1:20:56] doing a good

[1:20:57] jobr we just need to expand it a little

[1:20:59] bit more provide more support to them

[1:21:02] maybe consider next year to increase it

[1:21:04] so you know it's all a good thing

[1:21:06] happening there the interaction is very

[1:21:08] important for building bridges in our

[1:21:10] compan

[1:21:12] IE go ahead please again I'm just always

[1:21:15] going to bring forward that you know I'm

[1:21:16] keeping track of what we're spending

[1:21:17] year to date and based on that I I you

[1:21:20] know I think I'm comfortable with with

[1:21:23] this uh it looks like they're having the

[1:21:25] ability to cut down on their overtime um

[1:21:28] from years past versus this year so I

[1:21:33] think that's how that's how one of the

[1:21:35] reasons we have to look at this as we

[1:21:37] improve the technology as we have more

[1:21:39] firefighters as as they get grants from

[1:21:41] other places and specifically when I say

[1:21:43] that I want to talk about I mean the

[1:21:44] police department because they're

[1:21:46] applying and as you know they come

[1:21:48] before us multiple times um with grants

[1:21:51] that they get and those grants also

[1:21:53] supplement existing staff it's just not

[1:21:56] for bullets and holsters and things like

[1:21:59] that some of the grants like if if they

[1:22:01] need Personnel to do specific things

[1:22:03] they're paid for out of the grant as

[1:22:08] well any other

[1:22:11] questions okay so now move on to um a361

[1:22:16] 14-404 police review board and the

[1:22:19] recommendation

[1:22:21] here recommendation here is to increase

[1:22:24] the fees for service line by

[1:22:28] 10,000 and to reduce the outside legal

[1:22:32] councel by

[1:22:35] 10,000 that is just a movement

[1:22:38] there please again I think the 5,000

[1:22:41] covers what they need in terms of their

[1:22:43] professional development and their

[1:22:44] membership fee in um nle nle and the

[1:22:49] conference I guess the conference is

[1:22:52] like three ,000 or something and the

[1:22:53] membership but I would do away again

[1:22:56] with the 25,000 um in outside um I don't think they need the

[1:23:02] outside

[1:23:03] Council go ahead please um so I I I have

[1:23:07] to say that I think that the training

[1:23:09] right now if a training cost $3,000 with

[1:23:11] $5,000 they couldn't even send two

[1:23:13] people and I don't really think it's as

[1:23:15] beneficial for just one person to go and

[1:23:17] to bring back the information that more

[1:23:19] than one person should have the

[1:23:20] opportunity to attend the training if

[1:23:23] for some reason that person leaves the

[1:23:24] board or whatever the case may be so I

[1:23:26] think beneficially uh for for this

[1:23:29] particular review board if we're

[1:23:31] especially if we're going to kind of

[1:23:32] keep up with what's going on in terms of

[1:23:34] um review boards and having them

[1:23:37] exchange information with people who do

[1:23:39] similar things around the country I

[1:23:40] think it's important that we send more

[1:23:42] than one person to a training if

[1:23:43] possible so um I would support having

[1:23:46] enough money for at least uh two people

[1:23:49] go I know at one point they had and then

[1:23:50] we have to pay to be Parton they call

[1:23:53] and at one point they decided they

[1:23:54] didn't want to be but our our yeah they

[1:23:57] our um our ordinance clearly says that

[1:23:59] you have to be yeah so there's that

[1:24:02] payment and then you know people go on

[1:24:03] the training and like this time maybe

[1:24:05] it's 3,000 one only one person could go

[1:24:08] so I I would suggest that we keep we put

[1:24:10] enough money in to allow people to go

[1:24:12] training if we really want the best

[1:24:14] training for our board members some

[1:24:16] boards pay people to be on them and this

[1:24:18] one doesn't so they're volunteers this

[1:24:20] is an opportunity for them to increase

[1:24:22] their skill set in terms of serving as

[1:24:24] volunteers so we could reduce the coun

[1:24:27] outside Council I do have a question I

[1:24:30] think does someone from your office now

[1:24:32] go to those um we go as needed um I've

[1:24:35] been in communication with the police

[1:24:38] department staff who have those meetings

[1:24:42] um and if they feel or the chairperson

[1:24:45] from the cprb feels that it's needed for

[1:24:48] somebody from my office to ATT

[1:24:50] will it hasn't come up um there were the

[1:24:54] only questions that have ever come up um

[1:24:56] had to do with somebody's ability to sit

[1:24:59] on the

[1:24:59] board um or questions about that that

[1:25:02] was early on I think maybe in maybe the

[1:25:05] end of last year U beginning of this

[1:25:08] year but nothing has arisen

[1:25:15] since go ahead please I could just talk

[1:25:18] on the outside Council again there's

[1:25:21] money in the law department for outside

[1:25:25] Council we bring in attorneys as needed

[1:25:28] so if a scenario came up where there's a

[1:25:32] conflicted position where city council

[1:25:35] needed separate representation or

[1:25:38] somebody on one of the boards or

[1:25:40] commission needed outside

[1:25:42] representation there's money for that

[1:25:45] and we try and get leverage stuff with

[1:25:48] the membership with New York Conference

[1:25:51] of Mayors provide

[1:25:54] gu

[1:25:58] and casw different things the AG's

[1:26:02] office sometimes will assist local

[1:26:05] government and things so that that money

[1:26:07] that's in the Council budget now I

[1:26:11] didn't use it this year I don't see

[1:26:14] scenario we're going to use it in the

[1:26:16] future like we haven't used it in the

[1:26:18] last hund and something years but if you

[1:26:21] needed

[1:26:22] something there is money in the budget

[1:26:26] that's proposed and so if you want to

[1:26:28] modify that or look at

[1:26:30] that that would be the appropriate way

[1:26:32] to deal

[1:26:34] with please so I thought the reason why

[1:26:37] we create separate line because it' be

[1:26:39] easier for accounting purposes if that's

[1:26:42] not right I'd be open

[1:26:45] to that was part of

[1:26:47] it I can comment on that um Echo the

[1:26:51] mayor had to say I know this came I'm

[1:26:53] going to Echo what the mayor had to say

[1:26:55] on this um I know this came up last year

[1:26:58] um it as you know as you all know um the

[1:27:02] city council hasn't used outside Council

[1:27:04] this past year um cprb hasn't there's a

[1:27:07] budget line obviously for um the law

[1:27:10] department for outside Council and we

[1:27:13] use that outside Council whether it is

[1:27:17] it's usually it's a no not usually it's

[1:27:19] a determination made by the law

[1:27:21] department on what whether or not we

[1:27:22] have the capacity or to to handle a

[1:27:25] particular legal situation or uh whether

[1:27:28] there's some type of conflict uh in

[1:27:31] which um it would be better best for to

[1:27:34] be handled by outside

[1:27:36] Council that you know seldom happens uh

[1:27:40] in terms of the conflict um but that's

[1:27:42] not to say that it couldn't happen um

[1:27:45] and we would obviously have to make the

[1:27:47] professional

[1:27:48] determination um to to say that we do

[1:27:51] have a conflict and refer to outside

[1:27:53] Council but we provide um outside

[1:27:56] Council for you know situations

[1:27:59] involving other departments in the city

[1:28:02] um where you know whether even if it's

[1:28:05] not our insurance company but something

[1:28:07] arises let's say hypothetically it's an

[1:28:09] article 78 because of some

[1:28:10] administrative decision made by the

[1:28:13] Planning Commission made by um you know

[1:28:17] the chief building inspector made by you

[1:28:20] know some somebody else who has the

[1:28:22] authority to make an administrative

[1:28:24] decision um and at that point in time

[1:28:27] the Law Department feels that it does

[1:28:29] not have the capacity to handle that

[1:28:31] particular matter we would refer to

[1:28:32] outside Council it wouldn't be covered

[1:28:34] by our insurance um and in that

[1:28:37] situation it comes out of the law

[1:28:39] Department's budget is outside Council

[1:28:41] so for accounting purposes it's not

[1:28:42] distinguishable between the Departments

[1:28:45] it just comes out of the Law Department

[1:28:49] M go ahead please and actually me or no no sorry you don't um yeah because

[1:28:57] there's

[1:28:58] $100,000 in the

[1:29:00] 20124 um proposed budget for outside

[1:29:02] legal services in the legal department

[1:29:05] and you know it looks like that would

[1:29:08] cover

[1:29:10] um what we might

[1:29:13] need in terms of what we had spent here

[1:29:15] to date and that kind of thing so so I

[1:29:18] have the Year date of course I do um but

[1:29:21] there's like m multiple lines here so is

[1:29:23] it just the fees for services is your is

[1:29:25] it your labor lawyer is it your

[1:29:26] litigation support is it all those

[1:29:28] things added up oh I was just looking at

[1:29:31] outside Legal Services no I'm talking

[1:29:34] about the year to date spread out she's

[1:29:36] looking more detailed breakdown the

[1:29:38] budget soy

[1:29:41] can that act everybody has this we use

[1:29:45] outside Council for certain certain

[1:29:48] things that we do right um you know we

[1:29:52] use a bankruptcy attorney um outside

[1:29:55] Council um Brian crer specifically to

[1:30:00] handle matters where um you know usually

[1:30:04] it happens with tax issues right

[1:30:06] somebody files for

[1:30:08] bankruptcy our outside Council Brian ker

[1:30:10] interacts with my office and also the

[1:30:13] receiver of taxes to make sure that

[1:30:15] whomever is uh in bankruptcy is

[1:30:17] following the bankruptcy plan and is um

[1:30:20] which is payments you know on a Bas on a

[1:30:22] typical basis and he will then act um if

[1:30:25] somebody doesn't follow their plan to

[1:30:27] have a stay lifted or have a bank SE dis

[1:30:30] um we try to use him strategically

[1:30:32] obviously when we're about to do a

[1:30:35] foreclosure um but he's still doing work

[1:30:37] throughout the year um we use outside

[1:30:40] Council dealing with certain labor

[1:30:42] issues um you know could

[1:30:45] be could be a grievance it could be just

[1:30:49] um you know an issue with you know

[1:30:51] police officer firefighter whomever it

[1:30:53] may be we have to make a determination

[1:30:55] to use outside Council we're not using

[1:30:57] outside Council obviously willy-nilly um

[1:31:00] you know there are certain lines um for

[1:31:03] the labor attorney that we may use for

[1:31:05] that but um you know determinations made

[1:31:08] and I I consult my office consults with

[1:31:11] Finance to determine um the best way to

[1:31:14] pay a particular attorney based on what

[1:31:16] they're doing for the city um you know I

[1:31:20] don't know exactly every single line

[1:31:22] that it gets paid out of um you know it

[1:31:25] I would say it varies based on the

[1:31:27] attorney and what they're actually doing

[1:31:28] what service they're providing um as you

[1:31:31] know you know we do our foreclosures in

[1:31:33] house but um unlike a lot of other

[1:31:37] municipalities but we still may use

[1:31:38] outside Council as I mentioned when it

[1:31:40] comes to foreclosures Brian ker because

[1:31:42] he's working on the payc

[1:31:45] part

[1:31:47] okay any other question on

[1:31:50] this okay see then we move

[1:31:54] [Applause]

[1:31:56] to a

[1:31:58] 3614

[1:32:01] 44 street department

[1:32:05] manager ask just increase this no I

[1:32:10] don't think the the thing is Right A50

[1:32:13] oh sorry that's what you have on here 36 sorry yeah that's

[1:32:20] sorry a

[1:32:23] 510100 street department manager we ask

[1:32:26] us to bring this up to 4% over the 2023

[1:32:30] salary there's a narrative there and all

[1:32:32] of us had an opportunity to listen to Mr

[1:32:35] laan explaining how the work is being

[1:32:38] done

[1:32:42] cly the street department manager from

[1:32:46] street department manager and this

[1:32:48] Salway supervisor is it the so removing

[1:32:52] the ideas to remove the director of

[1:32:55] Public Works key dist street department

[1:32:56] manager position right and move that to

[1:33:00] uh I think 104,000 so 52k in the street

[1:33:04] Administration I think and then 52 in

[1:33:06] the waist Administration right yeah but but when you first when it was first

[1:33:13] not you first but let me just have a

[1:33:15] note when that it was first brought

[1:33:19] forward it was changing a title

[1:33:26] right that's correct yes first they make

[1:33:29] the same title for both and increasing

[1:33:33] it from 45 to 52 for both because the

[1:33:36] guy is going to be saving us about 80

[1:33:39] grand wait wait the same guy being both

[1:33:42] JG is that correct

[1:33:45] [Music]

[1:33:47] that's so 52 from one line and 52 from

[1:33:51] the other yes that's correct but when

[1:33:54] the when we first were um given the

[1:33:56] budget it was this title it was you they

[1:33:59] changed the title to director of public

[1:34:01] works right and the proposed salary at

[1:34:04] half of the proposed salary was

[1:34:07] 4,968 not 52 well that's Paul came back

[1:34:11] to increase it if you hear that thing

[1:34:13] right

[1:34:14] 52 okay and and because there'll be a

[1:34:17] savings of 88,000 it's going to be one

[1:34:20] guy both the jobs

[1:34:22] the director of Public Works and he

[1:34:23] wants to change that to Street manager

[1:34:25] also so we wouldn't have that

[1:34:28] 884 see that 88 339 we didn't it's not

[1:34:33] being uh not being uh brought over a

[1:34:37] budget in

[1:34:38] 2024 the

[1:34:41] 88400 but that was the adopted um budget

[1:34:44] in 2023 correct but then by creating the

[1:34:48] director of Public Works it was split

[1:34:52] 45968 each with yeah which was a 4

[1:34:56] moving the individual back to street

[1:34:58] department manager but you're pumping it

[1:35:00] by S almost

[1:35:02] 7,000 under each department follow fund

[1:35:05] request

[1:35:07] yeah so what is the

[1:35:10] additional duties oh I'm sorry page

[1:35:14] 33 addition take over

[1:35:20] restriction

[1:35:22] is this civil service or is this going

[1:35:24] to be

[1:35:26] manag street street department manager a

[1:35:29] manag position here it

[1:35:35] is so what's the increase like

[1:35:38] 14%

[1:35:41] okay

[1:35:49] 88,000 any other question question on

[1:35:56] this find the other one no did not but I

[1:35:59] found waste but I just didn't find that

[1:36:01] first 8160 100 it was the director of

[1:36:04] Public

[1:36:05] Works they Chang it to Street manager

[1:36:08] and they gone from 45 yeah they're not

[1:36:10] doing 68 to 52,000 they're not filling

[1:36:12] director solid waste and now they're not

[1:36:15] doing director of Sol taking out the

[1:36:17] 88,000 yep I got it I see it

[1:36:23] so so actually his Department went down

[1:36:26] overall the overall

[1:36:29] total budget was down I believe

[1:36:34] 1.69% but that's what I wrot down but so

[1:36:38] I mean I don't have the job descriptions

[1:36:39] in front of me

[1:36:41] but I guess I'm questioning how one

[1:36:43] person can do two full-time

[1:36:50] jobs

[1:36:53] manage it well manage it it's going to

[1:36:57] take ogs and waste

[1:37:00] [Music]

[1:37:02] in scheduling following

[1:37:05] up Paul beles that it can be

[1:37:08] done if you want him in here get them in

[1:37:12] to give you a more detailed explanation

[1:37:15] the

[1:37:18] work because I I mean I imagine once you

[1:37:20] get to this level it is a lot of work so

[1:37:22] I just like really wondering how that

[1:37:24] could happen it's a

[1:37:30] lotn waste water and water you know City

[1:37:36] I don't know hard hundreds of thousands

[1:37:38] of dollars a year he

[1:37:41] did he's got confidence in this guy

[1:37:45] yeah

[1:37:49] M okay my

[1:37:52] question we canbe we can just send the

[1:37:55] email so I mean we I don't know we're at

[1:37:59] I guess we're at the point where're like

[1:38:00] making decisions tonight but that's my

[1:38:02] that would be my

[1:38:04] question all right any other question on

[1:38:07] this Mr far you going to make the the

[1:38:09] adjustment zero out the director of

[1:38:12] Public Works and move that into street department yeah once we decide

[1:38:17] whatever we decide to move forward

[1:38:20] either way

[1:38:23] okay any other question on this the next

[1:38:25] item is um a 5132

[1:38:29] 100 remove fleet

[1:38:31] manager and the note there is a system

[1:38:34] is doing a lot of work doing budget

[1:38:36] hearing all work will be

[1:38:38] completed by the

[1:38:43] assistant open for question on

[1:38:50] this

[1:38:51] I my note said that they're short staff

[1:39:00] but you want to get rid of the fleet

[1:39:05] manager it's not full it's not currently oh it's not there's

[1:39:10] no one in that

[1:39:12] position

[1:39:17] okay so was Mr lefon recommending

[1:39:20] getting rid of the finish yes yes

[1:39:23] okay no he didn't recommend get rid of

[1:39:26] position he recommended to add the

[1:39:28] position back this year we didn't have

[1:39:30] it last year yeah that's I was going to

[1:39:32] say we had it at one time um then we

[1:39:36] didn't have it and did you remember

[1:39:39] circumstances was this the night guy I

[1:39:42] just no that's a different oh okay I

[1:39:44] just remember that when he was he said

[1:39:46] that this other person could do the job

[1:39:47] but if you want to Happ person to pass

[1:39:51] the test MH so he went back to be

[1:39:54] assistant manager so he's been doing the

[1:39:56] assistant management job now Paul says

[1:39:59] he wants to bring somebody back in to

[1:40:02] help now and you just sa ,000 but we in

[1:40:05] our discussions I mean we can go back

[1:40:08] and look he did say that the other

[1:40:09] person was was handling all the job so

[1:40:11] you got a great

[1:40:14] kid working okay all

[1:40:17] right yeah he did mention that he asking

[1:40:21] to fill this position into 2024 but at

[1:40:24] the same time he said the

[1:40:26] assistant the assistant is doing all the

[1:40:28] work

[1:40:32] needed I'm

[1:40:37] sorry that's the

[1:40:39] one thank

[1:40:43] you any other question of

[1:40:45] this if not we'll move to a 5132 d 12

[1:40:51] 121 discuss the motor equipment operator

[1:40:55] mechanic one and there are some notes

[1:40:59] there with some concern in terms of

[1:41:01] liability and having this person work is

[1:41:03] solo Shi

[1:41:09] by so as you know I brought that because

[1:41:11] I I'm still concerned that a person

[1:41:13] would be in a garage by themselves all

[1:41:16] night in you know in the event that

[1:41:18] something happened so um I looked into

[1:41:21] and there's no ocean requirement that we cannot do that but again I have

[1:41:26] concerns for the safety of the

[1:41:27] individual and for um the any liability

[1:41:29] on the part of the city should something

[1:41:31] happen so if if we're going to do it

[1:41:34] then I I really would think that we

[1:41:36] would want to um establish a work alone

[1:41:39] policy for when people are in the

[1:41:41] situation so there's some protocols put

[1:41:43] in place for somebody who works alone

[1:41:45] and should something happen there's ways

[1:41:47] to trigger things for someone to know

[1:41:49] that something's happened so um and if

[1:41:52] this is the same position also that

[1:41:54] they're they're getting this lift for

[1:41:56] this portable lift that even makes me

[1:41:58] more concerned but um because you know

[1:42:01] things happen in garages so um I

[1:42:04] understand our need for it however I

[1:42:06] just want to make sure that we have

[1:42:08] systems in place of these person's

[1:42:09] individually in the garage at Night by

[1:42:12] themselves um that we have something

[1:42:15] that in place and I mean it's not up to

[1:42:18] me to decide um Staffing but even having

[1:42:21] somebody else rotate in would make me

[1:42:23] more comfortable but that's that's not

[1:42:24] my call but I just wanted to express my

[1:42:27] concern around

[1:42:31] that any other

[1:42:36] question see now we'll move on to

[1:42:40] a71

[1:42:43] 10-100 direct of Parts the ask is to

[1:42:46] increase that to 4% over the 2023 salary

[1:42:55] Mr the director of parks right now makes

[1:43:00] 80,000 this is

[1:43:02] 4% 83 let me see

[1:43:07] 87 was for 728 but on the for

[1:43:14] 8 so the 832 is the 4% 4%

[1:43:19] correct

[1:43:22] 80,000 even yes that's the

[1:43:28] salary well it's

[1:43:31] okay so it just didn't show when you

[1:43:33] hired him you brought him up to 80,000

[1:43:35] well again

[1:43:37] because the position was vacant rather

[1:43:40] than use the recruitment line we used

[1:43:44] money that was within the original

[1:43:46] appropriation but that was the salary

[1:43:49] that he wanted to be hired

[1:43:51] so I could have taken it out of the

[1:43:53] recruitment line and it just it makes

[1:43:56] the accounting more complicated was just

[1:43:58] take it out of that line pay a little

[1:44:00] bit more that's what the budget reflects

[1:44:03] I've submitted to you oh yeah well

[1:44:04] there's no way to know it because it

[1:44:06] looks like he was making 72 and then

[1:44:08] went up to like like $10,000 that's what

[1:44:10] it appears yeah that makesense but it's 4% CU he's currently making 82

[1:44:16] currently making 80 currently making 80

[1:44:19] okay

[1:44:21] any other discussion on

[1:44:24] this the next is a 8161

[1:44:30] D100 why the 8 plus% increase for the

[1:44:33] assistant

[1:44:35] solid uh any CSA

[1:44:39] supervising supervising 1037 employees

[1:44:43] has to make $150 a week more so uh uh

[1:44:48] because of the big raises that 1037 got

[1:44:50] uh receed they got to make $150 a week

[1:44:53] more than that so that $8 $150 a week is

[1:44:58] 7,821 by itself so that's why we've got

[1:45:01] the big increase

[1:45:04] okay question on

[1:45:11] this now we know contractual contractual

[1:45:17] cor all right moving on the next one is

[1:45:20] a

[1:45:21] 9089

[1:45:23] d840 employee drug test ask to ruce by

[1:45:27] 10,000 the date is

[1:45:32] 3,900 the actual for

[1:45:35] 2967 for 2021 and

[1:45:38] 4,45 for

[1:45:43] 2022 open for

[1:45:46] discussion go ahead please so I don't I

[1:45:49] don't know if the numbers necessarily

[1:45:50] I'm just

[1:45:52] wondering are we not testing

[1:45:55] people because I mean why why we we're

[1:45:59] not seeing this line

[1:46:02] spent uh someone was not testing some

[1:46:06] was co uh we're still dealing with some

[1:46:09] of the issues with the changes in the

[1:46:13] marijuana

[1:46:15] regulations and there is not I shouldn't

[1:46:19] say

[1:46:24] testing technology is Shifting where

[1:46:28] today some of the tests you can't

[1:46:31] tell uh how recent the use of marijuana

[1:46:35] has been can show for 30 days but really

[1:46:40] then individual wouldn't be repaired

[1:46:42] there are some tests that are supposedly

[1:46:45] coming on the market that would show

[1:46:49] the uh uh length of time from using it

[1:46:53] to the test for the level open par so on

[1:47:00] that tell me if it was C

[1:47:03] $5,000 we could live within that but I

[1:47:05] would still want some

[1:47:07] money uh going forward for the next year

[1:47:11] to be able to uh just deal with the

[1:47:14] realities of the workforce and where we

[1:47:16] have to test whether it's new hiring or

[1:47:19] on the job incidents

[1:47:22] so you want to keep it at what 10 if we

[1:47:26] take if you want to take 5,000 out of it

[1:47:29] like what was the original appropriation

[1:47:31] 15,000 15 15 so yeah if it stays at

[1:47:34] 10 then revisit it again in a year to

[1:47:38] see where we are so reduce it to 10 not

[1:47:40] by 10 um and just who who does this

[1:47:45] apply to like who gets drug tested Rand

[1:47:49] there's Rand engine testing and then

[1:47:52] there's new hires who test different

[1:47:55] levels cuz I also saw drug testing in

[1:47:59] the sewer department so those employees

[1:48:02] get there's a separate part of money for

[1:48:04] their drug

[1:48:05] testing

[1:48:07] CD CD for the water sewer funds are

[1:48:11] different funds yes so this is in voice

[1:48:14] other than that correct in this SL be

[1:48:18] all general f

[1:48:27] okay so are we okay to keep that

[1:48:31] 10,000

[1:48:34] okay next item is um G 8120

[1:48:39] d121 CCTV operator I think this was typo

[1:48:44] I think we receive oh

[1:48:46] yeah did receive a a copy

[1:48:52] [Music]

[1:48:56] adjusted

[1:49:00] sorry he went from 5846 2023 and 659 68

[1:49:07] 2024 that is due uh uh to the $3 an hour

[1:49:11] range so $3 an hour time 40 hours is

[1:49:14] $120 a week time 52.4 it's

[1:49:19] $625 cense so 58 and uh 58 and 62 gives

[1:49:24] you 64,0

[1:49:26] 67280 and then a 224 you get and I have

[1:49:29] to add 2% to that contract to 65 968

[1:49:35] okay okay okay ready if you look at the

[1:49:38] diagram thank you you will see it but I

[1:49:41] just he gave us a print out too thank

[1:49:44] you cuz we need more

[1:49:47] people let skip this out go over to the

[1:49:50] next page and then come

[1:49:53] back I think we did address this one

[1:49:55] here 8 13

[1:49:58] 55 that was for the

[1:50:02] realer no this is a yes we did no that's

[1:50:05] for the City Assessor next one it's the

[1:50:07] next one 1356 404 Miss

[1:50:10] mroy um

[1:50:12] recommended right so we did change in an

[1:50:15] increase let me go back to that page if

[1:50:17] you I think it was because the person is

[1:50:20] supervising somebody that's making more

[1:50:21] money or something yes but they gave us

[1:50:23] something that they increased it that

[1:50:25] was already done right well they

[1:50:27] increased it to 60,000 that's not

[1:50:29] increased

[1:50:31] in

[1:50:35] 1356 okay the 13551 100 we did Missy She

[1:50:41] also asked about the real property

[1:50:43] analyst

[1:50:45] [Applause]

[1:50:49] right

[1:50:51] 56

[1:50:53] I'm oh it's page

[1:50:55] five I couldn't remember if it was the

[1:50:58] appraiser or the analyst I didn't write

[1:51:00] that down uh 54,000

[1:51:03] analy is that oh yeah because you can

[1:51:06] see right no so she asked an increase

[1:51:09] for uh uh real property analyst from 537

[1:51:14] 56 to

[1:51:15] 54,000 oh so it's like a couple hundred

[1:51:18] bucks yeah 200

[1:51:21] what was what was he ask from what was

[1:51:23] he ask from the department head 54 54 as

[1:51:26] opposed to

[1:51:27] 53756 is it even is it even

[1:51:31] 54

[1:51:33] yeah was like

[1:51:38] 20044 more I guess I must be wrong that was she I thought it was more the

[1:51:44] person was supervising somebody but no

[1:51:46] she we didn't know what the figure was

[1:51:48] we had that know I I'm writing it down

[1:51:51] but that's only a couple hundred

[1:51:53] bucks can anybody else remember I I

[1:51:56] thought I don't know for some reason if

[1:51:59] it's if if if it's only a couple hundred

[1:52:02] bucks then it's not going to bring them

[1:52:03] above because my understanding if I

[1:52:05] remember correctly is that she was um

[1:52:08] supervising the real property appraiser

[1:52:10] I believe it's the clerk oh supervising

[1:52:12] the clerk clerk makes way less than that

[1:52:15] yeah she just started year so that

[1:52:18] doesn't work out then well anyway so

[1:52:21] Molly's s uh the assessor is suggesting

[1:52:25] 54 Anthony

[1:52:27] or original request was 54 everyone

[1:52:31] every everyone should have that um yes

[1:52:34] original

[1:52:35] request oh sorry it's yeah we have it

[1:52:39] but there a lot

[1:52:44] of later well

[1:52:47] before okay yep and then when you gave

[1:52:50] it today was the 54

[1:52:52] corre actually the next one that I had

[1:52:57] 1430 14

[1:53:01] um let's let's

[1:53:05] go 1356 404 the assessment Board

[1:53:09] review oh that I think we had discussion

[1:53:14] with um the assessor in regards to this

[1:53:18] board attendance

[1:53:20] and M is not attending all the meetings

[1:53:22] and

[1:53:24] it's yes that was the one yeah yeah yeah

[1:53:27] bottleneck on the um the rest of the

[1:53:29] members it was 16 so she was going to

[1:53:30] come back to us with a recommendation

[1:53:32] how we Chang the ordinance or

[1:53:35] legislation to address these concerns

[1:53:37] and I all us with that to kind of work

[1:53:40] with her to address those concerns

[1:53:41] because this is not the first time uh

[1:53:44] the board is finding some difficulties

[1:53:47] in your

[1:53:48] function Mr mudar go ahead

[1:53:51] please um so a couple things I thought

[1:53:53] that Mr Cen said that that was something

[1:53:55] that we' have to look at the the c c

[1:53:58] about in terms of

[1:54:01] changing yes um this it would be outside

[1:54:05] of the budget process the budget is

[1:54:07] setting the numbers um you'd have to go

[1:54:10] and look at the I don't actually I don't

[1:54:13] believe that it's set in the um code I

[1:54:16] believe it was approved by resolution

[1:54:18] okay um so the council could obviously

[1:54:21] Set uh the fees that are paid to um the

[1:54:24] people on the important assessment

[1:54:26] review by resolution so

[1:54:30] maybe we leave it the way it is here and

[1:54:33] then moving forward into the

[1:54:36] year you know get that

[1:54:38] analysis and think about it or

[1:54:42] what yes I think that was discussed we

[1:54:45] have the call public

[1:54:47] here I I can talk in this mroy about it

[1:54:50] she and I discussed it quite some time

[1:54:52] ago um and I don't know how many hours

[1:54:55] obviously that they put in um I imagine

[1:54:58] that you know she would have a better

[1:55:01] sense and the council would have a

[1:55:02] better sense May would have a better

[1:55:03] sense of whether or not if you went to

[1:55:05] you know some other type of payment

[1:55:07] arrangement let's say hourly um if the

[1:55:10] $16,000 would um cover the hours that

[1:55:14] they put in because I don't know those

[1:55:16] hours I I'm the the the concern I think

[1:55:20] that she had was that there was actually

[1:55:23] a particular person who actually didn't

[1:55:25] show up for anything and was still

[1:55:27] getting the same no they showed up for

[1:55:30] if you don't mind they showed up for one

[1:55:32] day they didn't show up for the day that

[1:55:34] they were reviewing and then they showed

[1:55:35] up for deliberation but still got the

[1:55:37] full salary of everyone who had been

[1:55:39] there the entire time not salary but

[1:55:41] stien that's what she yeah that would be

[1:55:44] outside same that would be outside of

[1:55:46] the budget process that's something else

[1:55:48] that the council

[1:55:50] address I'm happy to just move on yeah we did ask we did ask for

[1:55:54] recommendation to come back to us email

[1:55:56] us get us involved let's see what the

[1:55:57] narrative is to to move it forward and

[1:56:00] to make necessary changes so that we can

[1:56:02] better sort the the assessment office

[1:56:06] but I do have one thing because the

[1:56:08] document that was given to us today

[1:56:10] there's zero on this for the

[1:56:14] bar the bar is 16,000 no on this

[1:56:17] document we got today there's no nothing

[1:56:19] in there

[1:56:21] with the changes that we

[1:56:27] request it's right at the bottom for

[1:56:29] service what of assessment revie talking

[1:56:32] about right

[1:56:33] now her she

[1:56:37] probably

[1:56:39] Sheed

[1:56:40] okay that was from her oh okay so m i mean the uh the Assessor's

[1:56:48] Office yes okay thank

[1:56:51] you all right so we'll follow that make

[1:56:55] sure we address

[1:56:58] that I got it but we're leaving it as it

[1:57:01] is currently in terms of in the budget

[1:57:02] this the amount okay thank you and then

[1:57:06] the next one is a430 D100 payroll

[1:57:10] manager raise salary to 60,000 from

[1:57:13] 56,000 to 61 so slightly higher than the

[1:57:17] personal benefit clar that was that the

[1:57:19] position

[1:57:23] supervised that was something that um M

[1:57:25] Ali was recommending I

[1:57:29] believe open for question oh that was U

[1:57:32] Miss Miss uh yeah yeah

[1:57:36] okay oh okay because this is the one

[1:57:38] where the person is supervising somebody

[1:57:40] who makes more slightly more money

[1:57:44] than I would have support

[1:57:47] that what's that I would support

[1:57:50] okay is this person CA she's manager the

[1:57:54] other

[1:57:58] man management

[1:58:00] so make so instead of 56 265 it would be

[1:58:07] 37 35 60 the

[1:58:11] additional the additional

[1:58:13] yeah it's the payroll manager

[1:58:17] y all right

[1:58:22] are we good with that okay the next one

[1:58:24] is a441

[1:58:27] D100 how much to add an ipf 3 for part

[1:58:31] time that's

[1:58:33] 40,3 step

[1:58:35] one 40,000 let me just see what my note

[1:58:39] was and why I st said that oh

[1:58:43] so Mr Wen must have suggested

[1:58:48] that he had a somebody I wrote need ips3

[1:58:52] he had up to better position in the

[1:58:57] city oh she went to utilities that way

[1:59:00] they no no she went to C oh oh that's

[1:59:04] right so in that particular instance how

[1:59:07] is that kind of so there's no

[1:59:11] administrative support in that office

[1:59:14] yeah they have IPS for uh what's her

[1:59:17] name the person

[1:59:20] work and uh you see they also have an

[1:59:22] IPS uh IPS specials three in there

[1:59:31] 1440 yeah it's the same

[1:59:33] thing okay then I'll take away my I'll

[1:59:36] take away my

[1:59:39] suggestion so they're both

[1:59:42] okay so you taking it off I can I'm okay

[1:59:46] taking it off yeah there are two

[1:59:47] position there one is three and one is a

[1:59:49] for no

[1:59:52] ask and then the other one we already

[1:59:54] discussed but that was the the confusion

[1:59:56] that we had if you don't mind if I keep

[1:59:58] going yeah yeah yeah so the other one

[2:00:01] was changing it from mayor recruitment

[2:00:03] funds just to recruitment funds because

[2:00:05] that question came up the other day just

[2:00:07] it's just a change on the

[2:00:10] wording have we copied and

[2:00:14] paste so I don't I mean it's no money

[2:00:17] difference it's just that um people were

[2:00:19] confused because about that but it's not

[2:00:22] just to recruit for the mayor's office

[2:00:24] it's to recruit in

[2:00:27] general yeah I I don't think we ever use

[2:00:30] this but we never use it one attempt to

[2:00:32] use it and the just walk away if you can

[2:00:35] recall yeah it was it was put in there

[2:00:38] just for a question to the May during

[2:00:39] the co that people weren't seeking job

[2:00:42] and incentive there I think that is

[2:00:44] going to be know people are applying

[2:00:46] they're coming forward applying for jobs

[2:00:49] take away money I was just saying just

[2:00:51] change the

[2:00:56] line it was more of a need at that time

[2:00:59] rather than now it's not much much of a

[2:01:01] need now to for this

[2:01:05] line um we already did senior

[2:01:08] centers and then I already mentioned

[2:01:10] what I felt about the outside Council

[2:01:12] for civilian police review

[2:01:15] board and oh yeah this is the one where

[2:01:19] 6 I think we addressed that

[2:01:22] 8121 121

[2:01:38] yeah

[2:01:40] [Music]

[2:01:43] 121 oh we're going back let us went up

[2:01:45] to 6

[2:01:46] to5 this I think didn't we say say let's

[2:01:49] check that because it went from 58 416

[2:01:51] to

[2:01:53] 79 the

[2:01:55] cor I explain how sorry I didn't see the

[2:01:59] corre sorry C CV operator oh that's on

[2:02:03] the other sheet okay umed 8120 d121 659

[2:02:09] so it was um in 2023 it was9

[2:02:12] 416 and then it was brought to us with

[2:02:14] 70,000 but then it went down okay I got

[2:02:17] it so 659 68 okay thank you I think that

[2:02:21] is do official ask by morning one okay

[2:02:27] thank

[2:02:33] you

[2:02:36] good all right I don't over Health

[2:02:41] members

[2:02:44] yeah

[2:02:46] um I think were asking can just go back

[2:02:49] to the benefit the Healthcare

[2:02:53] numbers and also add to that the last

[2:02:56] year we did receive a rebate of

[2:02:59] 500,000 last year so where is that in

[2:03:02] this proposed budget in the proposed

[2:03:04] budget yes the

[2:03:06] $500,000 reate are we not receiving any

[2:03:09] reate this uh we hope we rece reate uh

[2:03:12] what we do is US put that the rebate we

[2:03:14] usually get is from uh from Pharmacy yes

[2:03:17] we us we will do from the pharmacy is to

[2:03:22] uh I believe we just last year we did

[2:03:26] receive receive a budget of

[2:03:31] 500,000 I mean this year excuse me this

[2:03:35] year what was your budgeted amount for

[2:03:37] 2023 for what

[2:03:39] rebate hold on from the

[2:03:47] pharmacy

[2:03:49] no that will be all the way

[2:03:52] [Applause]

[2:03:56] to yeah was in near the back

[2:03:58] right employ page page

[2:04:17] 4

[2:04:25] is it the Medicare reimbursement right

[2:04:27] here no no

[2:04:30] that that's something

[2:04:34] else I think this is the pharmacy proact

[2:04:37] reate right yeah I don't see

[2:04:40] here we do with that though too we

[2:04:43] usually try to lower what our payouts

[2:04:46] going to be when we get that yeah but in

[2:04:48] our it's not recorded in I have to find

[2:04:51] out can you write that down yeah take a

[2:04:53] yeah yeah that's so was the in other words are you

[2:05:00] saying that that was in 2023 or that yes so what we do is I had to I hired a

[2:05:07] group to audit our our things and one of

[2:05:11] the things that we getting is to make

[2:05:13] sure that they give us the full benefits

[2:05:16] that we pay for and that's how we rebate

[2:05:19] it's it's a

[2:05:21] reat that it will receive and it's

[2:05:24] attached to the the proact if I'm yeah

[2:05:28] proa far um Pharmacy so my question is

[2:05:31] though is that a guaranteed rebate in

[2:05:33] 2024 I mean in other words lur yeah so

[2:05:38] that's why it's not in the budget yeah

[2:05:39] that's why well see I mean we had it in

[2:05:41] the budget for 2023 it's not really I

[2:05:43] don't see I don't see here is

[2:05:45] a

[2:05:46] maybe is it on the revenue still want to

[2:05:49] count on something

[2:05:54] $500,000 I think it would be in

[2:06:07] Revenue 82680 you're talking

[2:06:11] about is it I'm sorry j so Revenue

[2:06:14] you're talking about

[2:06:16] 8 is that the is that a

[2:06:20] proa I think it's proa and our what's

[2:06:23] the other one can huh Canon no stop it's

[2:06:28] um

[2:06:30] 82680 D

[2:06:38] 266

[2:06:41] Jesus

[2:06:43] recoveries oh Insurance recoveries yeah

[2:06:47] good gotcha ah so 268d I see it yeah

[2:06:52] line a Reb line that's that's a rebate

[2:06:54] line yes and

[2:06:56] uh we don't use it as a in the as a

[2:07:00] revenue we don't put in as an

[2:07:02] expense you know we put it as a revenue

[2:07:05] but what if you don't get

[2:07:11] it in

[2:07:13] my life I wouldn't let anybody put let

[2:07:15] me put grants in yeah what happen if

[2:07:17] people don't pay ta you well that's

[2:07:23] true so that's just something that they

[2:07:25] do every year

[2:07:29] possibly we have a couple things we have

[2:07:32] the the stock loss rebate and that's

[2:07:37] good we pay a lot of

[2:07:41] money a lot of money on the on the

[2:07:43] healthcare part I mean I have not say

[2:07:45] that you're saying is going up by 14%

[2:07:47] higher but across the standard um across

[2:07:51] the board is going up like 6 to 8% what

[2:07:53] is the difference with your 40% going up

[2:07:55] your hes the

[2:07:57] 68% I I I felt that 14% the way we've

[2:08:02] been really working the last few years

[2:08:05] we we're probably between uh 6% and I

[2:08:08] felt I didn't want to raise the budget

[2:08:10] to 14% where I felt we can get away with

[2:08:13] ses that's what our our cumulative Bas

[2:08:16] is you know what I mean last year I

[2:08:19] think you were at six around that per

[2:08:22] last year you were at 6% so 14% higher

[2:08:26] this

[2:08:28] year on some of the trends were during

[2:08:31] Co were self-insured pay what the actual

[2:08:36] uh usage

[2:08:38] is people weren't going to the doctor as

[2:08:41] much people deferred procedures and

[2:08:43] other things so the costs went down now

[2:08:46] all those things that were deferred

[2:08:49] are starting to catch up with people so

[2:08:52] you're

[2:08:53] seeing just a higher utilization is that

[2:08:56] TR yep plus uh you got to remember too

[2:08:59] we're also hiring more people too more

[2:09:01] families and uh you know there one one

[2:09:04] thing too you're hiring police and fire

[2:09:06] and they're retiring at a young age so

[2:09:09] what happens so for every every uh you

[2:09:12] know a person who retires of a family

[2:09:14] you got four guys on it you're not

[2:09:16] getting rid of four people cuz they're on 65 you're still paying for

[2:09:19] them so you're adding another one so as people retire it's not the number

[2:09:25] never goes down it goes up because plus

[2:09:27] especially for Public

[2:09:29] Service Plus these these the health

[2:09:32] insurance benefits I mean don't you get

[2:09:33] that from our

[2:09:35] analyst you have you have an analyst

[2:09:38] makes these

[2:09:39] recomendations stuff right yeah yeah you

[2:09:42] got the thing all analysis yeah

[2:09:52] any other question on this

[2:09:54] part okay let's move

[2:10:02] [Applause]

[2:10:03] back sorry I didn't have

[2:10:07] to second to

[2:10:11] last it has to do

[2:10:14] with keep going to the next

[2:10:17] page yeah right there the next one is um

[2:10:21] no fee increase for water St and

[2:10:25] [Music]

[2:10:33] garbage can

[2:10:35] you he's just talking about

[2:10:41] this here made a recommendation to you

[2:10:44] that water and sewer you know what's our

[2:10:47] numbers we spent 54 million 50 58

[2:10:53] million 58 million in upgrades the

[2:10:56] facilities we've gotten approximately

[2:10:58] $21 million in

[2:11:02] Grants and now we have that difference

[2:11:05] of 30 some million dollar that is

[2:11:10] largely at 0% interest so the overall

[2:11:13] financing package is pretty good but now

[2:11:16] we have to pay

[2:11:19] that money back so this is being

[2:11:22] financed I think over 30 years is what

[2:11:24] we're looking to go to market on so that

[2:11:28] adds over a million dollars a year in

[2:11:32] expenses to finance the uh the

[2:11:37] operations Anthony do you have an

[2:11:39] overall um number regards to the water

[2:11:42] one garbage overall the overall number

[2:11:44] what does that mean the increase it's

[2:11:46] like $174 no in terms of all the units

[2:11:50] yeah I I I think for the you have the

[2:11:54] units for garbage we have the rates in

[2:11:56] the

[2:11:57] budget we have the uh for the waist

[2:12:00] there's a sheet that was handed out to

[2:12:03] all the council

[2:12:08] members do we have a number of units for

[2:12:10] the

[2:12:12] um you know PA I thought he gave you

[2:12:15] these numbers PA for water and store he

[2:12:19] gave us waste collection

[2:12:25] Revenue yeah that's all I

[2:12:31] got this is the one for waste

[2:12:35] collection right right

[2:12:41] and I

[2:12:43] think I think uh whatam call it excuse

[2:12:46] me D Derek add an analysis of the

[2:12:49] proposed budget and that even with the

[2:12:52] increase our uh garbage fees that we're

[2:12:55] receiving even from uh you know not only

[2:12:58] being charged but outside or collection

[2:13:00] outside the city and the commercial was

[2:13:02] we

[2:13:03] still uh we're still losing

[2:13:08] $86,000 and if you cut that off we're

[2:13:11] going to lose if you look at 2023 you're

[2:13:13] going to lose a million 82 plus that

[2:13:15] 89,000 looking at you know 1

[2:13:18] .16 so million what what's the number

[2:13:22] overall would be 1.16 it's right here on

[2:13:25] this got this one yeah you got

[2:13:28] it give it out today again too

[2:13:32] yeahor got it okay see the 2020 prop

[2:13:35] proposed budget has the increase in it

[2:13:38] and even with the

[2:13:39] increase the total of cost of wage

[2:13:42] Administration is losing

[2:13:44] $889,000 but if you don't increase it

[2:13:47] you're going to have have it the 22

[2:13:49] adopted budget it's going to be the 100

[2:13:52] a million million 8 plus the 89 is going

[2:13:54] to be a

[2:13:56] million

[2:14:03] million6 so there's no there's currently

[2:14:05] no Surplus um in that line no has there

[2:14:09] hasn't been a surplus last couple years

[2:14:11] that's why every year we've been trying

[2:14:12] to ask for more and more

[2:14:14] money because the costs have gone up and uh you know the cost of everything

[2:14:19] is going up right especially

[2:14:21] fuel salaries I to tell you you know

[2:14:24] fuel salar you know

[2:14:26] just

[2:14:28] benefits equipment

[2:14:33] gasoline I thing is about staying the

[2:14:35] same as believe it or not as the general

[2:14:37] liability ins general liability

[2:14:39] insurance L thing they went up only went

[2:14:41] up

[2:14:45] 6% excuse me and I think last year we

[2:14:48] did not raise the fees to the level that

[2:14:52] they had

[2:14:53] recommended no we get not to the level

[2:14:56] there but we did um I don't remember

[2:14:58] exactly but I think we get half or

[2:15:00] something but not so the feel like it

[2:15:03] was not the amount asked

[2:15:08] for so we'd have to figure out how to

[2:15:10] make up sure if we didn't raise the fees

[2:15:13] we'd have to figure out how increase

[2:15:16] Revenue yeah increase Revenue so and in

[2:15:20] thinking about that so I was as I was

[2:15:22] going through revenue and probably mayor

[2:15:23] this is probably a question for you um

[2:15:26] like the payment in LW of taxes is there

[2:15:28] ever an opportunity for us to

[2:15:29] renegotiate those or uh do not for

[2:15:32] profits pay those I mean how is

[2:15:35] that um figured

[2:15:42] out well suppose any of them could be

[2:15:46] renegotiated subject that those are uh

[2:15:50] they standard packages that are put in

[2:15:54] place either through the Ida or there's

[2:15:56] more flexibility through

[2:15:58] Metroflex those tend to

[2:16:01] increment uh 5% a year

[2:16:05] over 15

[2:16:08] years so you discounting the initial

[2:16:11] years which creates incentives for the

[2:16:13] investment and then it ramps up to what

[2:16:16] hopefully is full

[2:16:20] participation uh at the whatever the

[2:16:22] current tax rate is at the time of the

[2:16:24] Indy

[2:16:29] agreement so we are seeing increased

[2:16:32] revenue from

[2:16:34] those uh but again you're also seeing

[2:16:37] the economic development that's

[2:16:39] happening and where the robust numbers

[2:16:43] in sales tax uh are somewhat

[2:16:46] attributable to the levels of

[2:16:49] uh economic development that were

[2:16:51] facilitated through those payments of

[2:16:53] lower

[2:16:56] taxes well because at in 21 we were at

[2:16:59] 2.5 and then in 22 went for the actuals

[2:17:02] we went down to

[2:17:03] 2.4 so that that's why I was Raising

[2:17:06] that question according to the

[2:17:08] information we have from Mr

[2:17:10] um and Mr Ferrari and some of that would

[2:17:13] be is it opposed to showing up in that

[2:17:16] line it would show up in tax

[2:17:25] revenue okay

[2:17:33] thanks I mean this is on for discussion

[2:17:35] because there is a a major concern out

[2:17:38] there in terms of us raising it to

[2:17:41] that

[2:17:43] level okay but we have to pay the

[2:17:46] employees and those are the

[2:17:51] cost I was at the public hearing I hear

[2:17:54] one person complain about the budget at

[2:17:57] all we'll direct all call your off you

[2:18:00] know when people are not happy they come

[2:18:02] in and I didn't see one person came that

[2:18:05] come in who said anything

[2:18:07] negative increases people will tell us

[2:18:11] we will get call over and over that they

[2:18:12] will will show up at a public hearing

[2:18:14] and we won't do anything regardless of

[2:18:16] what they said one person we will make

[2:18:17] recommendation here and we don't even

[2:18:19] come back to the table here and discuss

[2:18:21] it the public

[2:18:26] hearings I can say that I know that no

[2:18:28] one showed up even though people told me

[2:18:30] I'm going to come and talk about ABC and

[2:18:32] talk about it um and uh but I I've heard

[2:18:36] from people as well in terms of that

[2:18:39] this particular um item I think that's

[2:18:41] always a concern for

[2:18:46] people

[2:18:50] that's a major concern with regards to

[2:18:52] the

[2:18:54] water we would have to figure out we'd

[2:18:56] have to figure out how to make that up I

[2:18:58] mean this budget also doesn't have a tax

[2:19:01] increase so I mean what would be the

[2:19:04] balance in terms of if we don't do the

[2:19:06] water sewer and

[2:19:07] waste

[2:19:10] um where would we get that Revenue you see these times of inflation cost increases everything

[2:19:18] you I don't expect us to keep everything

[2:19:20] the same the upgrades to the facilties

[2:19:22] upgrades I'm saying how do you keep

[2:19:23] everything the same everything is going

[2:19:24] up where that's how you get that big

[2:19:28] 77.2 million G you know that you're

[2:19:31] talking about that's that's how what

[2:19:32] you're creating by not raising the fees

[2:19:35] right now you know it's not a dramatic

[2:19:38] increase what it150 a week for garbage

[2:19:43] uh water I forgot what of

[2:19:45] those the

[2:19:48] year 1626 that is per unit isn't it

[2:19:56] 16265 cents a

[2:19:58] day for water or water 0.045 cents a

[2:20:03] day and then the um the sewer is 20

[2:20:08] cents a day or

[2:20:09] $742 for the

[2:20:11] year right yeah and then the the other

[2:20:14] one though I don't

[2:20:16] have

[2:20:18] the other one you'd have to tell me that

[2:20:20] was Water and Sewer

[2:20:22] but water sewer for yeah I don't have

[2:20:25] that one broken out yeah the

[2:20:29] waste the garbage broken out oh I

[2:20:33] see got you got you thank

[2:20:36] you that's the next page oh yep I

[2:20:40] see so what are you are you proposing

[2:20:43] anything or no no just discuss it it's a

[2:20:47] concern right so understood

[2:20:52] yeah we have I'm a taxpayer in the city

[2:20:55] too I don't want taxes anything go up

[2:20:57] either but I know I've been in business

[2:20:59] 50 years I know you got to you got to

[2:21:01] raise things please you got

[2:21:09] to do you know what we raised it last

[2:21:12] year for we yeah did we raise it was

[2:21:17] can't remember the

[2:21:19] exact was request how

[2:21:24] much 50 or 51 I think it was 50 actually

[2:21:28] no 249 is

[2:21:30] this it was other

[2:21:34] words I was asking what

[2:21:39] we

[2:21:46] se7

[2:21:49] 78 thank you this is for the new rate

[2:21:52] that they want to do for um 20 next year

[2:21:59] 2024 yeah 16846 a year I thought it was

[2:22:02] 174 the total cost of those three

[2:22:05] increases per

[2:22:08] household one

[2:22:11] unit one household unit

[2:22:14] household so you have if you have a two

[2:22:17] that will multiply

[2:22:21] by

[2:22:28] but all right I

[2:22:34] guess I like the idea of keeping taxes

[2:22:37] uh not increasing the

[2:22:39] taxes um and $168 46 a year to these

[2:22:44] three fees per unit as Mr M say for

[2:22:54] unit okay let let's let's move over to

[2:22:56] the next item we'll come back to this

[2:22:58] one discussion on current overall

[2:23:00] vacancies and the propos um new high for

[2:23:05] 2024 this is the question for

[2:23:08] me we we had over the last two years I

[2:23:11] several vacancy that is not being killed

[2:23:14] and we keep you know last year this year

[2:23:17] and then we're adding another set of new

[2:23:21] hire4 can we cut back a little on

[2:23:25] this are all these needed well that's

[2:23:29] what I recommended to you you know it's

[2:23:32] going to be your

[2:23:33] final

[2:23:35] decision uh again we've had difficulty

[2:23:38] in terms of

[2:23:39] recruiting for seeing that shift so that

[2:23:44] I'm more optimistic going into 2023

[2:23:47] we'll be able to bring staff enough

[2:23:50] to again what is the budget as

[2:23:55] level no Echo your word I mean with cost

[2:23:58] savings where do we where do we take

[2:24:01] asting Mr problem anymore where do we

[2:24:03] tyen our belt from we need to start

[2:24:05] tighten our Bel because we're facing

[2:24:07] $7.4 million next year so we need to

[2:24:10] start this year in terms of start cling

[2:24:13] back on expense and you know bring back

[2:24:17] some savings into the

[2:24:19] budget that can help to reduce the

[2:24:24] cost because I'm not sure I I doubt with

[2:24:27] all these

[2:24:28] position except for police and fire the

[2:24:31] other position then will

[2:24:33] get this year and next

[2:24:36] year but we still have the work done

[2:24:39] currently in

[2:24:40] house I know it's a little bit more that

[2:24:43] the staff has to do but eventually we

[2:24:45] can hire a few more to compliment what

[2:24:47] we have but I'm making a suggestion

[2:24:52] that not all this is

[2:24:57] needed right we' still delivered the

[2:25:00] work you know I've been subject to

[2:25:01] criticism for not hiring positions and

[2:25:05] staff does feel some of that and again

[2:25:09] I've submitted a budget to you that I

[2:25:10] feel is adequate and it's uh now in the

[2:25:15] uh

[2:25:17] council's decision you know if you want

[2:25:19] to go through specific

[2:25:21] positions bring department heads back in

[2:25:24] to look at what their goals and

[2:25:27] objectives are with each individual

[2:25:34] position any suggestion on this may she

[2:25:38] I didn't bring that back with me

[2:25:42] today and again I think some of these

[2:25:44] will remain open just in terms of what

[2:25:46] the

[2:25:48] you know the recruitment issues that we'

[2:25:56] had I have all this much so we'll be

[2:26:00] talking about it I know on Friday

[2:26:05] but no I'm just bringing that forward

[2:26:08] because we got to take more some we

[2:26:10] can't wait for next year to typ then

[2:26:12] we're going to be more and the number is

[2:26:15] going to go up higher

[2:26:17] where do we start we have to start

[2:26:24] now want no I have yes I would like to

[2:26:27] see

[2:26:32] that thank

[2:26:39] you

[2:26:41] yes oh

[2:26:44] sorry I just seem to recall

[2:26:50] how employees were so upset because the offices weren't being staffed and

[2:26:55] the extra workloads on them and now we

[2:26:58] don't want to

[2:27:01] staff well yes we want to work done we

[2:27:05] want to staff them but we we need the

[2:27:07] money to staff them understood and if

[2:27:09] you don't have the money then how are we

[2:27:11] going to staff them are we going to

[2:27:13] staff them and then we're going to end

[2:27:14] up instead of 7.5 we're going to end up

[2:27:16] 9. five next year million

[2:27:22] dollar so those are my my concern with

[2:27:25] these two items

[2:27:27] here in terms of the fee

[2:27:30] increase and the discussion with regards

[2:27:33] to the vacancy and then if we go back to

[2:27:35] the pages we discussed earlier with some

[2:27:37] of the suggestion that was submitted

[2:27:39] there are some savings here potentially

[2:27:42] some savings here that might help to

[2:27:44] cushion the

[2:27:47] M the water garbage Fe so overall we

[2:27:50] have to look at all the Departments so

[2:27:53] for savings not one department but every

[2:27:56] department for savings and I think

[2:27:58] that's what we here

[2:28:01] for so my question would be though and I

[2:28:03] don't know if uh the mayor or Mr Ferrari

[2:28:08] can but I mean

[2:28:10] historically when we look at that chart

[2:28:12] of how many openings there are um many

[2:28:15] of those positions have probably been in

[2:28:17] you know they've been in the budget I I

[2:28:18] think engineering jumps out at me yeah

[2:28:21] that they have not filled those

[2:28:22] positions so I guess what I'm saying is

[2:28:25] sort of from a risk standpoint what are

[2:28:29] the chances that the leaving the

[2:28:32] positions into the budget what are the

[2:28:34] chances that they perhaps again would

[2:28:36] not get filled and so we would have the

[2:28:38] savings do you see what I'm saying right

[2:28:40] I don't know if I'm being articulate on

[2:28:42] that if you if you mention the engineer

[2:28:45] parand he's being several years of

[2:28:47] not being filled because we if you can

[2:28:49] recall my years year after year we be

[2:28:53] hearing that we're trying to Recine here

[2:28:55] we're trying to rec here but nobody is

[2:29:00] coming so if you were highlighting like

[2:29:03] categorizing like extended open

[2:29:05] vacancies and thenly uh open ones I

[2:29:08] think is that what you I guess I would

[2:29:12] like to see that I think that would be

[2:29:13] important to see what has historically

[2:29:15] remained open

[2:29:18] yeah I was just I guess I was that is

[2:29:20] sort of what I was saying if these guys

[2:29:21] had sort of just a bird's eyee view of

[2:29:23] that um in terms of taking the risk in

[2:29:27] other words of having the positions

[2:29:29] still here because I think it's clear

[2:29:32] again I'll use engineering as an example

[2:29:34] that I mean there's a lot of work to be

[2:29:38] done on that plate without the Staffing

[2:29:41] so I'd rather see that the Staffing

[2:29:43] remain in the budget thinking that

[2:29:46] perhaps we might get a chance to hire

[2:29:47] the

[2:29:48] people um do you know what I'm saying oh

[2:29:51] then that's where we deviate I guess I

[2:29:53] was looking at from a standpoint

[2:29:54] something been vac for an extended

[2:29:55] period of time I get rid of

[2:30:02] it and then if something has been newly

[2:30:04] requested evaluating that so yeah I was

[2:30:07] going to add to that we just need to

[2:30:08] look at the the 2024 ads on top of the

[2:30:11] 2023 vacancies do we really need those

[2:30:15] additional ads into 2024 on top of the

[2:30:18] already vacancy that we have that paper

[2:30:22] so it looks like that's something we're

[2:30:23] going to have to think about each of us

[2:30:25] when we go home before Friday so you

[2:30:27] have that paper you have that paper um

[2:30:29] as your back up if you're not if you

[2:30:32] don't have it here we can make copies

[2:30:33] for you if not it's more likely be home

[2:30:36] I know we we can get copy

[2:30:39] yeah look yes I would like to hire all

[2:30:42] the staff every Department 100% but

[2:30:44] where where are we going to get the fund

[2:30:45] from where is the funding going to come

[2:30:47] from and if we're looking at the numbers

[2:30:50] of the May has mentioned $7.4 million we need to be very very conservative

[2:30:55] very alert and to focus in on that

[2:30:58] number $7.4 billion it's a lot of

[2:31:02] money that we're going to dig in our

[2:31:04] heels next year to where are we going to

[2:31:06] find

[2:31:07] savings we can't wait until next

[2:31:12] year is better to start

[2:31:15] now

[2:31:19] so since we're talking about engineering

[2:31:20] I just want to point out the fact that

[2:31:22] the engineering department sorry did

[2:31:25] already take um reduce their Staffing in

[2:31:29] the budget so just so we're clear oh I'm

[2:31:31] not saying I'm not no I was just using

[2:31:35] it as an example I'll beend on that yeah

[2:31:38] no okay but it's already been done my

[2:31:41] point it's already been done by by um

[2:31:43] this the chief

[2:31:45] engineer

[2:31:47] in terms of his budget request

[2:31:51] so so here we are I mean I don't have

[2:31:54] anything else

[2:31:56] on Anthony if I may suggest based on the

[2:31:59] changes here that we was presented

[2:32:01] tonight is it possible to do a draft

[2:32:05] let's have a visual look at it okay is

[2:32:08] that possible I did that last make sure

[2:32:11] our numbers are correct there yes why we

[2:32:14] go through it then that be niest go

[2:32:16] through yeah let's go

[2:32:19] through cuz we weren't necessarily

[2:32:21] making decisions about these changes we

[2:32:22] were just discussing unless um Friday

[2:32:25] we're going to make the decisions right

[2:32:26] unless um Mr Williams has any suggestion

[2:32:29] to move ahead with these changes or to

[2:32:33] just submit these changes let's look at

[2:32:36] the

[2:32:40] draft I'm not the only one here so we're a Comm committee together so

[2:32:46] whatever you recommend um so I'd

[2:32:48] recommend proceeding with the changes as

[2:32:50] we identified in this 2024 proposed

[2:32:53] budget and everyone shell and then come

[2:32:56] back on

[2:32:58] Friday can we just go through the yes please all right

[2:33:11] so well can I ask procedurally what are

[2:33:13] you looking to

[2:33:15] do I thought you going make the

[2:33:17] decisions tonight we could have

[2:33:18] legislation prepared for Friday say

[2:33:21] you're going to come

[2:33:24] in

[2:33:26] make conversation review discussions

[2:33:30] that we're going to have to break and

[2:33:31] actually draft the

[2:33:33] legislation it out and your Friday

[2:33:37] schedule your Friday schedule does not

[2:33:40] build much morale from

[2:33:44] departments so so we'll have to go

[2:33:46] through these we have to make decisions

[2:33:49] and then if we we probably will need to

[2:33:51] look at that other sheet if that's one

[2:33:53] of your

[2:33:56] recommendations what other sheet the

[2:33:58] Staffing one that I didn't Staffing one

[2:34:00] with me

[2:34:02] but go ahead please based on whatever

[2:34:05] you're going to be proposing change wise

[2:34:07] there's going to have to be a

[2:34:08] determination on whether that increases

[2:34:10] the budget decreases the budget so that

[2:34:13] new change

[2:34:15] accordingly

[2:34:19] so you guys would probably have to rerun

[2:34:22] a budget

[2:34:27] tonight well I was not going to ask him

[2:34:29] to do it

[2:34:31] tonight numbers that they can do

[2:34:35] it and then we just have to ourselves

[2:34:37] before back I thought you would have

[2:34:40] consensus tonight we would formalize it

[2:34:42] tomorrow and then be able to do it

[2:34:47] Friday or you know the other

[2:34:51] suggestion is you know to move it to

[2:34:53] Monday night to the regular scheduled

[2:34:56] dat and I don't know what the

[2:35:00] arrangements are for C Farley's uh

[2:35:05] father you that might be a factor you

[2:35:08] know I asked today and I they haven't

[2:35:11] made them

[2:35:15] yet

[2:35:19] so that's case let

[2:35:21] um move forward with the discussion on

[2:35:25] the changes and that was

[2:35:27] discussed and then we can um provide

[2:35:30] that number to Mr

[2:35:32] Ferrari and then we can give him an

[2:35:35] opportunity to work on the draft and

[2:35:37] see how the the D is

[2:35:42] looking did we need to go into executive

[2:35:47] affirmative action yes we kind of

[2:35:50] skipped over that a little bit those two

[2:35:52] positions you mentioned it I didn't know

[2:35:55] yeah so wouldn't that be the same would

[2:35:57] that be then the same in terms of these

[2:35:59] other positions that Mr mudar just

[2:36:00] brought up no a a general discussion Rel Personnel

[2:36:07] speci that would be

[2:36:08] a conceivably a fairly long

[2:36:12] discussion which one

[2:36:14] would the the you have oh okay but you

[2:36:17] the affirmative

[2:36:22] action you need

[2:36:24] them we need to go

[2:36:27] so let's go take the session discuss

[2:36:29] Thea action St and then come back out

[2:36:31] and move forward with what was discussed

[2:36:34] here in on the recommendation

[2:36:37] for to move forward with a draft so we

[2:36:40] can have something ready for

[2:36:42] Friday um so we need a motion to go into

[2:36:46] executive

[2:36:47] session second well prer be done the

[2:36:50] other way around all in

[2:36:52] favor I'm sorry they were to if you were

[2:36:56] to go through the numbers

[2:36:57] first you can give it to Anthony and

[2:37:00] Derek right and then they can start I

[2:37:02] think crunching some things and then if

[2:37:05] you want to go to session to discuss the

[2:37:07] other piece which is not related yes

[2:37:10] directly to the budget you can do the

[2:37:12] discussion while they're trying to

[2:37:14] update the figures that makes

[2:37:18] sense either way it's

[2:37:22] fine one you have to raise for

[2:37:26] the uh staff for Council 16% so you're

[2:37:31] making 14,100 I believe right yes and

[2:37:34] you want to go to

[2:37:37] 16356 um I think the total amount the

[2:37:40] increase at 16% it would go up to it's

[2:37:43] budget at 987 right yeah

[2:37:46] 114 192 that's right that yeah well

[2:37:51] that's also

[2:37:53] incorrect only four members the city

[2:37:56] council would be eligible for pay raise

[2:37:59] now if you can't raise salary during the

[2:38:02] term of office so three members would

[2:38:06] then be eligible in two more

[2:38:09] years so that number does not go up that

[2:38:12] full amount Mr cling what's your opinion

[2:38:15] legal opinion I actually I agree with

[2:38:17] that I think there's um there's case Law

[2:38:20] related to that I don't know if it's

[2:38:21] directly in statute I think that's right

[2:38:24] um I I think you the legislature has

[2:38:28] addressed and Court have addressed this

[2:38:30] it would be staggered based on what

[2:38:33] we've done in the past when put spot

[2:38:36] when we did an increase for you a couple

[2:38:38] years ago you took it in the for year

[2:38:41] time but it was passed at the end of my

[2:38:44] term it was it

[2:38:52] right again it's inconsistent with what

[2:38:55] the statute says you know you're going

[2:38:57] to do what you want it's not

[2:39:00] necessarily what I would recommend to so

[2:39:04] here forward forward to working with you

[2:39:09] yeah

[2:39:11] so so which one are we starting with we

[2:39:14] starting with that

[2:39:18] [Music]

[2:39:19] there's Cas out there I can verify it um

[2:39:23] I don't have it you know so can you do

[2:39:27] that for us Friday we'll carry this

[2:39:29] number 114 492 we

[2:39:32] can I'm not in favor okay way and then obviously then case

[2:39:42] law supports it that becomes a policy

[2:39:44] question for the council yeah Mr Willi

[2:39:47] are you okay to move

[2:39:50] forward move each one individually I

[2:39:54] think we're discussing them

[2:39:57] individually so the answer

[2:39:59] is I his question was are we going one

[2:40:02] by one have to move them individually we

[2:40:05] just have to

[2:40:06] agree confirming them okay we're not

[2:40:09] voting yes you it's going to be I would

[2:40:13] do everything together as one package so

[2:40:15] you're not individually voting on each

[2:40:17] separate line

[2:40:19] okay if that makes sense because there

[2:40:21] going to be other adjustments that will

[2:40:23] have to be made if things don't go

[2:40:28] through so we need you do each

[2:40:31] individual line right and some things go

[2:40:34] through and some things don't go through

[2:40:36] it's going to affect the other

[2:40:38] adjustments you'll have to make or that

[2:40:40] Mr Ferrari and G will have to make as it

[2:40:42] applies to

[2:40:44] revenue

[2:40:46] next then you would have to vote on the

[2:40:48] next the the revenue change on on the

[2:40:50] back side of

[2:40:53] it so so let's go through all the item

[2:40:56] the committee is an agreement majority

[2:40:58] in agreement we move the item we'll just

[2:41:00] mark it up and move forward that item if

[2:41:02] not we

[2:41:03] just that the back corner so the next

[2:41:07] item is a propos

[2:41:10] um A110

[2:41:14] d44

[2:41:16] and propos to decrease the outside legal

[2:41:19] service by$ 10,000 and bring that actual

[2:41:28] $15,000 yes I'm I'm I am confused I'm sorry so

[2:41:33] you two because you're the finance

[2:41:35] committee are the only ones that can

[2:41:36] give input into this right now no you

[2:41:38] can give input but the voting to agre to

[2:41:40] move it

[2:41:41] power us isn't work

[2:41:46] and then basically on Friday we would

[2:41:49] just say no we don't accept those

[2:41:52] changes it's like any other thing that

[2:41:54] would come out of committee it's going

[2:41:56] to be voted on by the committee and then

[2:41:59] it's going to have to you know either be

[2:42:01] voted up or voted down by the council at

[2:42:03] full council meeting

[2:42:10] gotcha you good with that yeah okay I'm

[2:42:13] good with this 8 12 10

[2:42:15] -00 yes I'm okay with that too $

[2:42:21] 6,610 say it again-

[2:42:26] 6,610 yeah it will be

[2:42:29] 5739 the next one uh is a31 D100 yes

[2:42:35] plus 2,000 I'm okay with

[2:42:39] that

[2:42:41] 8355 100 the

[2:42:44] Assessor

[2:42:46] 93,000 plus

[2:42:51] $1,064 A14

[2:42:55] 120-100 there were no notes on this this

[2:42:57] was just a

[2:42:59] discussion par

[2:43:06] [Music]

[2:43:11] legal I thought someone had a figure for

[2:43:14] what it's

[2:43:18] [Music]

[2:43:21] yeahor there was a number that was given

[2:43:23] was like

[2:43:25] $4,030 that was for IPs was for IPs okay

[2:43:29] so we don't have a number for thisp

[2:43:31] Okay you

[2:43:33] Okay the next s we talk about the

[2:43:36] affirmative action and we go in

[2:43:37] executive session that MH we the

[2:43:40] discussion happened on the utilities mhm

[2:43:44] the next one is a

[2:43:46] 1989 D4 95

[2:43:49] a-2 out of

[2:43:52] miscellaneous they asked us to remove

[2:43:54] the recruitment fund

[2:43:57] 15,000 are you okay with that Mr

[2:44:02] Williams nothing is going to happen

[2:44:04] there was a question on the contingency

[2:44:06] that's why that was under there there's

[2:44:07] nothing moving from the contingency that

[2:44:10] is

[2:44:11] a Mr ferar going to look into that and

[2:44:13] pass will make U

[2:44:16] adjustment or correction

[2:44:19] which I would say I'm open to transition

[2:44:21] recruitment pardon me transitioning it

[2:44:24] to

[2:44:27] recruitment rame that okay instead of

[2:44:31] taking the 15K out of the budget yes so

[2:44:34] we'll just

[2:44:36] um he wants to keep keep it 15 but let

[2:44:39] it remain in the recruitment fund it's

[2:44:44] Ren it okay

[2:44:47] and the next one um

[2:44:50] a1989

[2:44:52] 499 ARA the senior centor we are

[2:44:56] bringing that to

[2:44:59] $60,000 and Mr we're going to ask that

[2:45:02] you adjust descriptional line so account

[2:45:05] for all four Senor Center to include

[2:45:10] connect Center

[2:45:14] and

[2:45:16] that's increase of

[2:45:18] 15 it's a senior cent of funding isn't

[2:45:21] that was that was that's it it's called

[2:45:24] Senior Center Program

[2:45:32] yeah we're good with that y I'm good

[2:45:35] with that the next one is

[2:45:38] 83122

[2:45:41] d112 we are asking to only Frey line to

[2:45:45] by

[2:45:46] 45

[2:45:49] 6,161 based on the

[2:45:54] 2023 yes you have it that's a decrease

[2:45:56] of 500,000 from the original from the

[2:45:59] original request original

[2:46:01] request yeah I I just want to for the

[2:46:04] record say that I don't agree with

[2:46:07] that Mr William you okay with

[2:46:10] this the next one is 8 3123 1112

[2:46:16] and they asking May to increase the 2023

[2:46:20] time line by 105,000 to bring that to

[2:46:24] the

[2:46:25] 2024 line of 880,000

[2:46:28] that's

[2:46:31] a, 110,000 Direction in public safety is

[2:46:34] to cut over a,1

[2:46:38] 100,000 out of those things that's what

[2:46:40] you're suggesting what I would ask you

[2:46:42] to do also is because the p PBA contract

[2:46:45] is up at the end of this year so tonight

[2:46:48] when you go home send me the number that

[2:46:50] I can negotiate with the

[2:46:57] PBA again I think that this is kind of

[2:47:00] misleading I just have to say because

[2:47:01] you're saying is it's word choice you're

[2:47:03] saying increase instead of decreasing

[2:47:05] what you're really doing is decreasing

[2:47:07] over I don't work with everybody you

[2:47:10] know any of these decision should take

[2:47:12] some CRI and for some people like it the

[2:47:15] public discussion over Public Safety

[2:47:17] last time so now you're calling it an

[2:47:20] increase over last year but it's really

[2:47:21] a decrease over what the expected

[2:47:23] expenses are going to be for

[2:47:27] 2024

[2:47:29] agreed and I think we should continue to

[2:47:31] factor in what the spending has been to to date and so know looking at that

[2:47:36] because when when I saw these

[2:47:37] suggestions I definitely looked at that

[2:47:39] it seems like we're going to be within

[2:47:41] that so um you know it's not just for me

[2:47:44] anyway I can speak speak for me it's not

[2:47:45] just a random like um thought process

[2:47:48] it's like let me see what we've done so

[2:47:49] far where we are and does this look like

[2:47:52] um are within the the amount that's

[2:47:55] being suggested so that's how I look at

[2:48:00] this OT for

[2:48:03] me I was going to ask if any had a

[2:48:11] discussion are you okay okay that's

[2:48:15] $110,000

[2:48:17] decrease less than what was asked less

[2:48:19] than it was

[2:48:25] asked the next item is

[2:48:28] 83412

[2:48:30] d112 by

[2:48:33] F and this one here is a

[2:48:36] [Music]

[2:48:38] $500,000 reduction against the proposed

[2:48:41] budget bringing this line to a million 7

[2:48:46] 7,000 again I go on the record of

[2:48:49] protesting that one as well I'd rather

[2:48:51] keep it at what the mayor's projected

[2:48:53] budget

[2:48:55] is any other question on

[2:48:59] this are you okay with this yes

[2:49:02] good the police review board a 3614

[2:49:08] d404 the ask is to increase the fees of

[2:49:11] service by 10,000 and reduce the outside

[2:49:14] legal council by

[2:49:20] 10,000 question on

[2:49:23] this I mean I'll reiterate that I don't

[2:49:26] think they need the outside legal

[2:49:27] councel at all um but I do appreciate

[2:49:30] the idea of having enough money in the

[2:49:32] training line for two people to attend

[2:49:34] the conference plus the fee for the

[2:49:40] membership but again you guys are voting

[2:49:43] but just wanted to be the record so

[2:49:45] you're suggesting just to be clear that

[2:49:47] we just get rid of the outside the

[2:49:49] balance of the outside Council and just

[2:49:51] I don't think you need $25,000 there for

[2:49:53] legal counsel and so if the um the

[2:49:58] $5,000 for the

[2:50:00] uh uh what do you call it I think it's

[2:50:03] training right on the on the budget so

[2:50:07] adding 10 to it was maybe make that one

[2:50:10] um 15 maybe make that eight instead of

[2:50:14] five

[2:50:15] the suggestion was to to increase it by

[2:50:18] 10 to make it

[2:50:20] 15 I don't think they need that

[2:50:23] much well this year's training is like

[2:50:25] 3,000 maybe four you said three but I I

[2:50:28] was told four and if two people

[2:50:31] conceivably went plus the plus the fees

[2:50:35] so yeah I can't remember how much the Fe

[2:50:37] I'm sorry I can't remember how much the

[2:50:41] membership go ahead please so I would

[2:50:43] say increasing the the um fees for the

[2:50:45] training 15 and based on the mayor and

[2:50:48] Mr Colon's um input about the outside

[2:50:51] Council out you moving that remaining

[2:50:54] balance to

[2:50:57] the law department or

[2:51:01] just yeah I'm fine to increase the P of

[2:51:04] service to 15,000 and remove the outside

[2:51:07] counil and that will happen on the other one also that we have um

[2:51:13] there's another one uh city

[2:51:16] council that's that's a plus 10,000

[2:51:19] minus

[2:51:22] 25,000 the other outside Council was for

[2:51:25] city council that I also

[2:51:27] thought I don't know where that is oh

[2:51:30] it's not on your list it's on my

[2:51:33] Z okay so on this

[2:51:36] item 836

[2:51:40] 14-404 the only increase are is the Fe

[2:51:43] of Serv is going up to ,000 and we

[2:51:45] subtracting

[2:51:47] 25,000 cor

[2:51:51] that's yes we removing the outside legal

[2:51:54] council Zer

[2:52:00] zero Mr Williams you good with that yes

[2:52:03] okay I'm good with

[2:52:09] that the next item here is

[2:52:12] a5010 100

[2:52:15] street department

[2:52:22] manager that's the that's the guy with

[2:52:24] the

[2:52:25] waste 52 and 52 52

[2:52:28] [Music]

[2:52:34] 52 no I mean I just you know question

[2:52:37] again the 14% increase I understand what

[2:52:39] you're saying um you

[2:52:43] know

[2:52:47] go ahead please yeah Mr Leon has the um

[2:52:50] ability in this gentleman or whoever's

[2:52:52] going to do the job uh comining 52 and

[2:52:55] 52,000 and then get rid of a position

[2:52:57] for 80 some OD th000 I think it's a good

[2:53:01] deal only if a person could manage it

[2:53:03] also um and then we have as I understand

[2:53:07] it because the mayor always says we do

[2:53:08] more with less there are other people

[2:53:10] who are doing multiple um things and and

[2:53:13] it's I'm not saying there should be no

[2:53:14] increase but I believe that 14% is a

[2:53:16] significant

[2:53:20] increase I don't get to vote either but

[2:53:22] there's my

[2:53:25] [Music]

[2:53:28] opinion M suggestion or maybe there's a

[2:53:31] compromise and move

[2:53:35] forward I would say I'd be open to a

[2:53:37] compromise because I understand both

[2:53:38] sides I definitely feel the same way

[2:53:40] with the 4% increase I being in line

[2:53:43] with accepting those du as a manager

[2:53:45] however I do understand what Miss uh dor

[2:53:48] was also mentioning with that cost

[2:53:50] savings don't entirely agree with it I

[2:53:52] we're trying to make a

[2:53:55] concession so you are in agreement to

[2:53:58] this

[2:54:00] 4% what do that make it in other words

[2:54:03] the person's going to be doing two

[2:54:05] jobs

[2:54:07] what okay four the 4% would be what

[2:54:12] 45968 we you talking about 40 4% on top

[2:54:15] of

[2:54:15] that I'm sorry maybe I'm

[2:54:18] misunderstanding what you're saying is

[2:54:19] it 4% on top of the

[2:54:21] 88400 no we took that one out that is

[2:54:24] way back that's the one there it was

[2:54:27] 45,000 something and moving up to

[2:54:30] 52,000 so right but eliminating the 80

[2:54:33] something th000

[2:54:35] position but originally it was taking

[2:54:38] the 88400 I think it was giving it a 4%

[2:54:41] increase 88400 uh 91 936 right that's

[2:54:45] what it originally was even though they

[2:54:47] changed the name it's really the same

[2:54:48] dollar amount with a 4% increase as what

[2:54:50] it ended up being but now because they

[2:54:52] just took it and divide half but now

[2:54:54] they want to raise it to

[2:54:56] 52,000 right from

[2:54:59] 40 I crusted out but 45 96

[2:55:03] yeah $ 6,3

[2:55:09] $632 Plus

[2:55:13] 88400 plus what no the 88400 is going

[2:55:16] away gone the 88400 is gone it's going

[2:55:23] away the same waste and then the other

[2:55:26] one's on um IET page I find it

[2:55:32] again so what I'm saying here

[2:55:36] 3,536 difference what that between the

[2:55:39] 88400 and the is it

[2:55:43] 91

[2:55:53] 936 what's going on

[2:55:56] here you have to open your phone yeah I

[2:55:58] know I'm trying it won't open maybe

[2:56:01] batteries other batteries oh

[2:56:04] it's okay so it's on page 41 that he's

[2:56:08] taking away the director of solid waste

[2:56:10] at

[2:56:11] 88339 yeah so you got the 88 and making

[2:56:15] the director I mean taking away the

[2:56:17] title of director Public Works which was

[2:56:19] at 45 something and that would also be

[2:56:25] 52 is my

[2:56:27] understanding Sugg yeah over

[2:56:34] 104,000 we're taking out two

[2:56:38] positions you're taking out

[2:56:40] 88339 and

[2:56:43] 88400

[2:56:53] 76,000 739 is is uh the amount that

[2:56:58] we're taking out and we're paying

[2:57:01] $4,000 so it's a $

[2:57:03] 72,73

[2:57:10] savings so I'd recommend leaving at the

[2:57:13] 104,000

[2:57:15] okay all right I'm good with that you

[2:57:17] good with that yep move forward the next

[2:57:22] one a 5132 100 remove fle

[2:57:28] [Applause]

[2:57:29] manager a a 5132 100 minus

[2:57:41] 84,000 I suggest that we make note

[2:57:43] please

[2:57:46] right up

[2:57:48] sh any discussion on this will yes I'm

[2:57:53] good this the next item is just a

[2:57:57] discussion peld right I just wanted to

[2:58:00] voice my concerns around that not saying

[2:58:02] the position isn't needed but my

[2:58:04] concerns for the safety of the

[2:58:07] employee go and I would agree with Miss

[2:58:11] Porterfield and I don't think you can

[2:58:13] put cameras in there watch the gentleman

[2:58:14] all night but if something's in place of

[2:58:16] an emergency how we can call or maybe

[2:58:19] check on every hour I don't know but

[2:58:21] again it's a long night um I work a lot

[2:58:24] of overnights at one point so but the

[2:58:27] position I think that Paul raises here

[2:58:29] is very

[2:58:32] important and he indicated the person

[2:58:34] has to work at night because otherwise

[2:58:36] the vehicles are being used or something

[2:58:38] during the

[2:58:41] day move on the next one is Cas 711 100

[2:58:45] direct of parks yeah supposed to just

[2:58:48] increase that by 4% over 2022 salary but

[2:58:53] then we were told that this individual

[2:58:54] is already is already receiving

[2:58:57] $80,000 and $80,000 plus the 4%

[2:59:04] mhm any discussion so that it is

[2:59:07] 4%

[2:59:10] yes I didn't hear you please so we don't

[2:59:12] do anything okay so we're not do

[2:59:14] anything for this

[2:59:19] item the next one um was a question and

[2:59:23] I think this answer is CSA and the $150

[2:59:27] per week

[2:59:30] cont move on to

[2:59:33] a989 d840 employee drop

[2:59:38] test and I think we discussed this to

[2:59:40] reduce this to

[2:59:42] 10,000 mhm

[2:59:53] the next item was G

[2:59:55] 81231 and we're good with the

[3:00:00] um the adjusted rate of 65

[3:00:04] 968 M then it's Ferrari

[3:00:12] submited over to

[3:00:15] [Music]

[3:00:17] 830 5500 yes s

[3:00:21] sir we are good to bump that up to

[3:00:26] 93,000 that's plus

[3:00:29] 1,64 okay and then we are okay to bomp

[3:00:33] the real property analyst to 54,000

[3:00:37] that's so plus

[3:00:39] 244 okay that's a

[3:00:42] lot

[3:00:47] the other item was just we will follow

[3:00:49] that in terms of

[3:00:51] legislation the next item is

[3:00:53] a430 100 payroll man

[3:00:56] iner that's a

[3:00:59] 3,735 so we okay to move that to

[3:01:03] 60,000

[3:01:05] yes how much was that increase again

[3:01:12] 3,735

[3:01:15] the next item a 14411 100 we took that

[3:01:18] out because there

[3:01:20] is there is Staffing and the other

[3:01:25] um Finance like on the public um

[3:01:29] position in a different place yeah which

[3:01:32] one's that that a 1441 100 okay it what

[3:01:39] are you doing like that

[3:01:41] no just a question okay them renaming the um it's a

[3:01:53] recruitment fund we got a cover just

[3:01:56] changing the description the senior

[3:01:59] center we all in agreement to bring that

[3:02:00] up to 60,000 so we're adding $115,000 to

[3:02:04] that line Y we already did

[3:02:11] that already did the cprb too

[3:02:17] so we did remove the police review board

[3:02:20] outside cons

[3:02:22] M are we going to address the city

[3:02:25] council outside Council based on what '

[3:02:27] heard from Mr

[3:02:29] C didn't that down was since we removing

[3:02:34] the police review

[3:02:37] outside has the capacity

[3:02:39] to make that

[3:02:42] high I'm just ping it on the table

[3:02:44] please I would city council I would like

[3:02:47] to for it to remain in the city council

[3:02:49] for another

[3:02:51] okay the 25,000 remain on that line okay

[3:02:55] may I ask why I would say the reasoning

[3:02:56] for the civilian for the civilian wow

[3:02:59] for the civilian police review board as

[3:03:02] they are looking to build up their

[3:03:03] members and go to training uh I think it

[3:03:05] is smarter for them to utilize that

[3:03:07] resource if they should so they're still

[3:03:09] in their infantile stages with trying to

[3:03:11] meet qu I think within our city Council

[3:03:14] we have our seven members we are more

[3:03:16] established and I would like to truly

[3:03:18] trial this for another year but if we

[3:03:20] continue to not use it I'm open to

[3:03:22] removing it in

[3:03:23] 2024 or in

[3:03:27] 2025 I just again just for the record I

[3:03:29] know I don't have a vote but I think

[3:03:31] that the idea that we have the external

[3:03:32] legal council of if we need external

[3:03:35] legal counsel that there's money in the

[3:03:38] um Law Department line for external

[3:03:41] legal services that would cover

[3:03:45] that but I don't have a vote so I just

[3:03:47] want to go on the record I say as

[3:03:50] council members were making concessions

[3:03:51] my concession was dis please read

[3:03:59] for any other question on

[3:04:05] this yeah we'll keep it and see I'm

[3:04:09] going to

[3:04:10] keep the next item was is um

[3:04:14] G 81201 121 and that one is

[3:04:20] good go

[3:04:21] back I just want to add one a 8160 100

[3:04:26] the other half of the street manager

[3:04:29] uhhuh uh it's you know plus $632 to

[3:04:35] 52,000 that yeah yeah they you because

[3:04:38] you passed it as as 104 in total as

[3:04:41] opposed to splitting it out

[3:04:44] yeah it split out it split out fine so

[3:04:48] want to make sure you guys had that only

[3:04:50] do to

[3:04:53] numbers so we just need to address the

[3:04:56] um the vacancies and water no Fe water garbage and then

[3:05:05] the executive

[3:05:12] session

[3:05:14] in regards to the fee I mean we have

[3:05:16] some numbers here some adjusted down

[3:05:19] some reduction how much of that I mean I

[3:05:22] didn't I should have walk in my

[3:05:25] calculator that based on those reduction

[3:05:28] we've been able to factor in how much of

[3:05:33] a with regards to the

[3:05:35] fees if we need to

[3:05:41] increase but then we'll need overall

[3:05:46] PA but the water SW on

[3:05:53] garbage and we need to address the

[3:05:55] vacancies and

[3:05:57] the and the affirmative action what

[3:06:00] movement are we going to take for

[3:06:09] that oh yes s can you please uh what the

[3:06:12] Staffing

[3:06:14] oh you need a

[3:06:16] c

[3:06:19] can you can have a cop

[3:06:41] so you doing some cul

[3:06:46] yeah can take a break as we wait for

[3:06:48] that if you

[3:06:50] still beg your pardon we still have to

[3:06:53] get those numbers

[3:06:59] okay take a break please take a

[3:07:12] break

[3:07:20] [Music]

[3:07:42] for

[3:07:59] [Music]

[3:08:12] still

[3:08:30] depends on the numb are coming

[3:08:38] in

[3:08:42] how

[3:08:53] hold after a quick

[3:08:55] calculation come up with a a reduction

[3:08:58] of

[3:09:00] 1,185

[3:09:03] 711 can you please repeat that 1

[3:09:07] milon1

[3:09:10] 85711 now that's a quick calculation

[3:09:12] over my phone

[3:09:13] you know

[3:09:18] mhm isn't a

[3:09:24] million Tony you guys have a laptop of

[3:09:27] remote

[3:09:32] connection in

[3:09:37] the should it be more than

[3:09:40] that cuz we have two big I 500

[3:09:43] yeah 110 yeah you need you need a lot so

[3:09:46] you you increase the you increase the

[3:09:47] budget by

[3:09:49] 5989 and you reduced it by

[3:09:52] 1,245 610 so plus and minuses come to

[3:09:57] 1185 711 like I said again it's uh off

[3:10:02] my phone so it's off your phone yeah so

[3:10:06] if I got a couple minutes you want to

[3:10:07] run down the culations

[3:10:11] huh run down right now

[3:10:13] that number for

[3:10:14] [Music]

[3:10:16] you can you read this you have you have

[3:10:21] it through

[3:10:27] right I did not uh uh take out uh water

[3:10:32] sore

[3:10:34] or waste I mean that's just the what we

[3:10:37] want to for so going to bring your live

[3:10:41] um Excel she we're gonna come right back

[3:10:43] to

[3:10:45] next again without

[3:10:49] the without water sore are you able to

[3:10:51] take do one with it and one without

[3:10:54] right yeah now what do you want us to do

[3:10:56] with it you mean you want us to take out

[3:10:59] the water sore and water sore and you

[3:11:03] really do want to

[3:11:05] take

[3:11:11] okay

[3:11:14] these on yeah I can mute it from there

[3:11:17] if you want would you

[3:11:41] yeah

[3:45:55] okay we can still see ourselves yeah are

[3:45:58] you going to call Executive session

[3:46:00] first did we did no they want to do it

[3:46:02] on camera the camera on oh it wasn't on

[3:46:07] okay you have to do it again because it

[3:46:08] wasn't captured on camera oh motion call

[3:46:11] Executive session second all in

[3:46:14] favor do we

[3:46:38] need

[4:11:12] you told me to take out the this one's

[4:11:15] what's wrong

[4:11:18] oh back

[4:11:28] on you have copies of those

[4:11:34] for extra do we not I could

[4:11:38] yeah

[4:11:40] off just got to check double check these

[4:11:42] numbers you know like we're doing it on

[4:11:43] the

[4:11:44] flyer but uh the number added up like

[4:11:47] what I said u 1 milon 185 711 that

[4:11:51] changes now if we take out the a refuse

[4:11:54] and put it back to where it was last

[4:11:56] year that's a decrease of 1.7 million so

[4:11:59] now we have to either increase revenues

[4:12:02] by the difference of

[4:12:05] $47,375 or cut expenses by

[4:12:09] 547 279 that's in the general

[4:12:14] fund to do this but we missed one of the

[4:12:16] stuff there the

[4:12:18] healthare I wish you had a laptop you

[4:12:20] got to walk back and forth

[4:12:23] healthare we have this one of the the

[4:12:26] points here in terms of the

[4:12:28] 14% overall increase forus a 6 to 8% uh

[4:12:33] yeah Trend you saw you saw what says we

[4:12:37] try to keep

[4:12:38] it you know cuz we we're coming off the

[4:12:42] co now this is when everybody's going to

[4:12:44] start hitting the doctors going to

[4:12:47] doctors and getting all the procedures

[4:12:50] done you know that's that's one of the

[4:12:51] main things too like I say it's all

[4:12:53] about the

[4:12:55] increasing uh P people that are working

[4:12:57] for

[4:12:58] us all that I think you make a big

[4:13:01] mistake if

[4:13:02] you would it be I mean safer to I mean I

[4:13:05] say what com over to bring that

[4:13:08] 10% I mean 2% over overall going to end

[4:13:12] up being3

[4:13:14] million out of budget over over budget

[4:13:18] that just in that one line you know for

[4:13:21] no if you look at the TR

[4:13:23] 6 so just think 10

[4:13:26] 10% I'm saying we have a professional

[4:13:29] analysis at

[4:13:31] 14% CH me walking no that's okay right

[4:13:35] go ahead well I was going to say that I

[4:13:36] mean we hire somebody to give us a

[4:13:38] professional analysis of what we do

[4:13:40] every year um I would prefer to trust

[4:13:43] that person's work those she's

[4:13:45] conservative too I

[4:13:48] am I I mean I don't I don't think we

[4:13:50] should be messing with healthare for

[4:13:55] emplo I mean look

[4:13:57] last everybody you're going to get some

[4:14:00] savings from

[4:14:01] this EXC the 2023 savs I think so

[4:14:07] I think we're going to either be zero or

[4:14:10] we're going to over budget maybe a small

[4:14:13] amount I can send you our our analysis

[4:14:17] that we did just recently for the rest

[4:14:20] of the

[4:14:27] year in in terms of the Staffing and we

[4:14:30] can go back to the the ones that is it

[4:14:32] any way that these can be separated so

[4:14:35] to look at the one that is carried from 2022

[4:14:39] 2023 and then the ones that we proposed

[4:14:42] to add only

[4:14:43] 2024 we have to see if our HR envirment

[4:14:46] can separate yeah we'll take a look

[4:14:48] we'll see what we can do yeah I can't do

[4:14:49] it tonight no no no just separate them

[4:14:52] so we looked at how the trend I mean

[4:14:54] Department are not

[4:14:56] actually you know make that effort to

[4:14:58] hire why keep carrying it from year to

[4:15:01] year because we know that there's a

[4:15:04] department that you

[4:15:06] know

[4:15:08] Mr Mudan are you are you looking are you

[4:15:10] expect trying to like take those out of

[4:15:13] the budget tonight or well we we would

[4:15:16] have to get a number we can't just pull

[4:15:18] the the title out without not getting a

[4:15:21] overall cost including the salary and fr

[4:15:25] benefit and we need to separate it based

[4:15:27] on the um the historic

[4:15:30] call have we been carrying out from is

[4:15:32] the r are you looking for how many

[4:15:35] years well I mean

[4:15:41] should go back

[4:15:43] to 21 22

[4:15:46] 23 and see how how he's been trending

[4:15:49] how's been rolling for the last two

[4:15:51] years without being filled

[4:15:55] and what is being added into the new

[4:15:57] ones that being added into 2024 budget

[4:16:00] new

[4:16:02] positions position we will need overall

[4:16:05] cost including salary plus

[4:16:12] the and we're scooting fire

[4:16:15] in

[4:16:17] yes not yes excl police yes they as to

[4:16:23] stay put on

[4:16:24] that all other

[4:16:33] departments and that's including our

[4:16:35] prop position that is MHM

[4:16:39] currently there going to go

[4:16:42] water yeah sure um this is just a

[4:16:44] snapshot of what would happen if we take

[4:16:48] out the

[4:16:49] increases um throughout water uh FX

[4:16:53] you're looking at approximately 883

[4:16:56] th000 uh deficit if you look at sewer uh

[4:17:01] without those increases looking at a

[4:17:03] point $2.5 million deficit

[4:17:09] this is a small amount but I I do want

[4:17:11] to ask what is this fx22 2410 rental of

[4:17:15] real

[4:17:17] property uh is that a

[4:17:20] revenue is that a revenue line the

[4:17:23] rental R

[4:17:27] rer that's a yearly that's but you he

[4:17:30] pays for a

[4:17:32] year when's the last time we increased

[4:17:35] that um when you moved

[4:17:38] there it was 300 ra

[4:17:45] 500 that's

[4:17:47] low especially based on Market rents

[4:17:50] around

[4:17:52] here it's very

[4:18:00] low some of that you he mows the grass

[4:18:03] does other things so these other kind of

[4:18:06] factors in

[4:18:09] the council if you want to look at that

[4:18:11] more than open to

[4:18:14] discussing well I just I don't know

[4:18:17] anybody's rent that state 500 or or

[4:18:19] whatever the rent is like for year to year and it's a low rent I've

[4:18:22] never been there I don't know what it

[4:18:24] looks like but it's still low

[4:18:28] so the official residents of the council

[4:18:30] pres h no it's in Nuna then You' get rid

[4:18:34] of me oh come on the Sor

[4:18:42] residence you can s you can live in and

[4:18:46] serry so I just you know I mean I didn't

[4:18:49] know what it was for but I see that it's

[4:18:51] been basically consistent actually wait

[4:18:55] when how come it was so low one

[4:18:57] year why is it why was it so low in

[4:19:01] 22 what in 2022 why was it so

[4:19:05] low

[4:19:07] see it actual May so he wasn't living

[4:19:12] there I don't know the answer that that

[4:19:15] doesn't make

[4:19:16] sense all right but anyway I know I

[4:19:19] think it's worth considering increasing

[4:19:22] it it's not like he doesn't get to raise

[4:19:25] every

[4:19:27] year increase it by $883,000

[4:19:31] yes I think that works

[4:19:34] perfectly just the benefit of a position

[4:19:38] it it's a very good benefit and it's not

[4:19:40] a benefit that we're raising and he gets

[4:19:42] a salary every year and I guarantee you

[4:19:43] there's other people would love to live

[4:19:44] in there for $500 Igloo or not I I just

[4:19:50] like will you offer free housing well we

[4:19:53] should throw it out there for for every

[4:19:55] employee and said would you like to live

[4:19:56] here for for for 500 I guarantee we get

[4:19:58] some takers and they cut the

[4:20:04] grass so how are we seing here because

[4:20:08] if they have to go through this entire

[4:20:10] chart and figure out all oh my go

[4:20:12] changes we're not going to be able to

[4:20:14] vote on this on I don't even think

[4:20:15] that's 500 Grand there you cut all these

[4:20:17] jobs or something think that's

[4:20:19] 500,000 we're not going to cut all these

[4:20:22] jobs

[4:20:26] okay I was going to do the calculation

[4:20:28] let me just ask you so the difference

[4:20:29] here right now it's -4

[4:20:32] 547 yeah if you don't if you don't uh

[4:20:36] you don't raise the waste you keep waste

[4:20:38] the same which I think you're Mak a big

[4:20:41] mistake so so if you keep the the water

[4:20:44] and S the same oh water SW and garbage

[4:20:47] the

[4:20:47] same but if you look at water and

[4:20:52] 83,000 deficit 2.5

[4:20:57] million spok to you about water garbage

[4:21:01] we only have the

[4:21:02] water you got waste too different she G

[4:21:06] is on the general fund

[4:21:08] here and plus us sear you general fund

[4:21:12] shows you know we're going to lower the

[4:21:15] budget by 1732

[4:21:32] million so there a couple things that we

[4:21:34] need to address this is avable night has

[4:21:37] to do with the water SE and

[4:21:41] garbage and then the stop the vacancies

[4:21:45] so those are like four items that we

[4:21:46] need to address

[4:21:50] Friday we need s have you called for the

[4:21:54] meeting yes sir so we have to have it

[4:22:03] right wrong as far as

[4:22:07] the

[4:22:07] positions you have Mr colon here I mean

[4:22:11] just looking at you I mean have have

[4:22:12] these positions been open for quite a

[4:22:15] while in your office do you need all

[4:22:17] these positions I mean do we call the

[4:22:20] department heads back in and ask them to

[4:22:22] explain why these positions are

[4:22:24] needed so there's

[4:22:29] one the mayor's budgets uh gets

[4:22:33] eliminates one current assistant

[4:22:35] Corporation C

[4:22:37] position that's not accounted for here

[4:22:39] all right because it's there are three

[4:22:41] open

[4:22:42] positions in the 23 budget one position

[4:22:46] is eliminated in The mer proposed budget

[4:22:48] for 24 um we had a per DM attorney

[4:22:52] position at. five filled for the 23

[4:22:56] budget it's nowos budget one position we

[4:23:01] have two full time two part time per DS

[4:23:05] right um so he limited one assistant

[4:23:10] Corporation Council now if you want my

[4:23:12] two sents on it yeah I think the council

[4:23:14] already knows that I've had a difficult

[4:23:16] time trying to fill one assistant

[4:23:19] Corporation Council position let alone

[4:23:20] too right you

[4:23:22] know you know if you if the council was

[4:23:25] to propose eliminating another assistant

[4:23:29] Corporation Council position and leaving

[4:23:30] one in there you

[4:23:33] know does it make it more difficult of

[4:23:35] course but I'm having a tough time just

[4:23:38] Shing one

[4:23:39] position and you

[4:23:42] know it's you know it it makes the work

[4:23:45] more difficult we're still always trying

[4:23:47] to hire you know we've had interviews

[4:23:50] and and so forth and stress housing is

[4:23:53] still our biggest

[4:23:55] issue you we're beefing up code

[4:24:00] enforcement we need more people in the

[4:24:02] Law Department forward I thrown out the

[4:24:06] roughly $7.5 million in AR money you

[4:24:09] know big number deficit it's not that

[4:24:12] insurmountable you know if you look at

[4:24:14] our foreclosure process and stuff for uh

[4:24:18] you know this time we took a little over

[4:24:20] 100 houses or properties in uh it's

[4:24:24] probably going to be equal to that next

[4:24:27] year you know in the sales price of

[4:24:30] those is going up so if we have 100

[4:24:31] houses if we can turn those over if the

[4:24:33] market stays the same where you look

[4:24:36] looking at let say $50,000 a house that

[4:24:40] becomes a little over $5

[4:24:43] million is a potential Revenue source

[4:24:48] and those are the things that drop your

[4:24:50] police costs that drop the other costs

[4:24:53] that uh allow us to balance the budget

[4:24:57] so

[4:25:00] uh you know I don't want those positions

[4:25:04] limited I want to given the opportunity

[4:25:05] to fill them

[4:25:10] [Applause]

[4:25:23] okay I think we can uh we can conclud

[4:25:25] this so we have we'll have to recess

[4:25:28] reconvene on

[4:25:31] Friday address this

[4:25:34] um this few

[4:25:37] items hopefully we can get something

[4:25:39] tomorrow but then we'd have to not vote

[4:25:41] on Friday right well we have to the

[4:25:43] meeting well you can just move it to

[4:25:45] Monday to Monday right we can back for

[4:25:48] another discussion vac

[4:25:50] vacancies hope so if you can just spread

[4:25:53] it out and see how the trend is going

[4:25:54] 2021 2 3 and then all the new hires that

[4:25:58] is proposed until next year but i' like

[4:26:01] you also look at the the trend we showed

[4:26:03] you for the cost of waste if you don't

[4:26:06] raise it I want I want you to see what

[4:26:08] that cost is like by doing what you're

[4:26:11] doing the waste department itself is

[4:26:13] going to be losing a million dollars and

[4:26:15] I'm just saying you're I I know it's not

[4:26:19] of business we're public servicer but

[4:26:21] we're not doing anything for our our

[4:26:23] public by uh losing million

[4:26:26] dollars yeah I I definitely would keep

[4:26:29] the water sewering uh waste fees as

[4:26:33] suggested in this budget

[4:26:37] because otherwise we have a huge

[4:26:40] hold going

[4:26:42] forward looking for the

[4:26:44] future okay so we'll get those stuff

[4:26:51] we we can

[4:26:56] follow tomorrow we have everything

[4:27:00] almost

[4:27:03] everything all right and then and then

[4:27:06] Friday we would just be having another

[4:27:08] discussion with the idea that we'd vote

[4:27:09] on Monday no you have to vote our

[4:27:11] committee first well we'll see how it

[4:27:15] goes so it was called for a council

[4:27:18] meeting on Friday yeah yes not a

[4:27:24] committee right we called a special

[4:27:26] council meeting to vote out the budget

[4:27:28] that's what was called out for

[4:27:34] Friday

[4:27:39] we want to can't can't complete this

[4:27:42] tonight who you talking about who you

[4:27:45] talking to Anthony well the reality is

[4:27:48] we're going to spin in Wheels I'm going

[4:27:50] to send them home put it together

[4:27:52] tomorrow and have it to the council

[4:27:57] so if we we give a thing with the jobs

[4:28:01] that's not enough to do

[4:28:04] anything money to P the

[4:28:09] Ws If you eliminate the fees If you

[4:28:11] eliminate the fees

[4:28:13] yeah unless you want to raise

[4:28:18] taxes what is our um General Reserve

[4:28:23] 25 15 don't you want to save that for

[4:28:30] 2025 going to

[4:28:31] be2 million deficit well I'm just saying

[4:28:34] I mean we're going to have to make up

[4:28:35] the money that we're

[4:28:38] using I don't think this is the year to

[4:28:41] take reserves start increasing rates now

[4:28:45] we have a home right now so we need to fill

[4:28:50] the move move to our fill increase

[4:28:55] R we're going to increase our Revenue

[4:28:57] mayor said the budget the budget as

[4:28:59] presented has no

[4:29:01] hold 7.4 million into next year for next

[4:29:05] year

[4:29:06] now this budget does not have a whole if

[4:29:09] we don't address it I'll start now what

[4:29:11] I just outline over $5 million of that

[4:29:16] theoretical Financial

[4:29:22] number that say that again repeat

[4:29:25] that I justy the scenario it generates

[4:29:28] $5 million in Revenue have to do that

[4:29:32] it's what we have been doing and it's

[4:29:34] what we have to continue to do going

[4:29:38] for

[4:29:45] I terms of we didn't call for us me what

[4:29:50] we we did we called for a council

[4:29:52] meeting on Friday Friday yes so what

[4:29:54] what's you can recess the committee

[4:29:57] meeting Friday yes um the council

[4:30:00] meeting up what time 5:00 5:00 I would

[4:30:04] say reset

[4:30:06] the committee meeting to before the

[4:30:08] council meeting and just postpone the

[4:30:11] beginning of the council meeting to

[4:30:13] after the

[4:30:15] committee

[4:30:17] okay so we'll move to Res set the

[4:30:20] finance committee for this Friday before

[4:30:24] the special city council

[4:30:27] meeting second all in

[4:30:30] favor so

[4:30:34] but

[4:30:46] I'm hungry my Sal place is closed all

[4:30:51] right am I right I think an hour too

[4:30:55] long I think but I'll be all right

[4:30:59] okay so Anthony Anthony can I just ask a

[4:31:02] quick question or or D so what this

[4:31:05] means is we make the changes that the

[4:31:07] council wanted to make take out the fees

[4:31:09] that would oh and take out the fees then

[4:31:12] we're down

[4:31:14] 1.85 right no you

[4:31:21] guys

Schenectady 2024 Budget Meeting, October 18, 2023

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