[0:28] o

[0:58] for

[1:28] having

[1:59] B

[2:25] just a clarification of this sheet

[2:27] here let me discuss 551 instead of

[2:32] 541 547 521 we putting back 5,000 in you

[2:37] put 5,000 in drug testing I had taken

[2:41] out 10,000 5,000 I was told it should

[2:44] have

[2:58] been

[3:07] I'm open for discussion with regards to

[3:11] I didn't grab anything from my Note

[3:13] there wasn't anything

[3:17] okay I just wanted to update it because

[3:20] like yesterday we did it late at night

[3:21] and there was a couple differences

[3:25] you Mr

[3:28] chair Marino had some conversation with

[3:31] members of the council he unfortunately

[3:34] is at a working fire now on S

[3:37] Street being told it's under control and

[3:39] he'll be here as soon as he can but had

[3:43] a conversation with Mr Williams where

[3:45] you might be willing to

[3:47] reconsider the allocation of reduction

[3:50] in overtime within the fire department

[3:54] is that something you're looking at no

[3:56] I'm not aware of

[3:58] that

[4:00] wait till the chief gets here and

[4:02] reiterate his conversation Mr Williams

[4:05] you want to our thoughts on that

[4:08] or I would say not at this moment

[4:18] okay so the question uh on on the reason

[4:22] why we have this here is that members

[4:24] want to look at the vacant position over

[4:26] the period of 2021

[4:28] 2022 and

[4:30] 2023 and for ask a question as to why

[4:32] these position have been rolling over

[4:34] from 2021 to 2022 2023 and that being

[4:39] full and if there what is the reason

[4:42] that we should carry it into

[4:45] 2024 and the question was

[4:48] asked since we are facing a deficit of 7

[4:52] potential deficit of 7.4

[4:54] million why are we adding several new

[4:57] position into the 2024

[5:00] budg so those are the questions I was

[5:02] asked and we receive the the documents

[5:04] here so I will open for discussion

[5:07] regarding but again Mr

[5:10] chairman the budget I presented to you

[5:13] does not project any deficit for next

[5:16] year you're extrapolating things into

[5:19] I'm using your War you saying that we

[5:20] are facing in 2025 a 7.4 million

[5:26] shortfall there's a gap in the revenue

[5:28] but I've also outline scenarios for if

[5:31] you'd like to look to adapt two budgets

[5:33] tonight with both the 24 and the

[5:37] 25 but don't we look ahead when we're

[5:39] doing budget we do yes so that's that's

[5:42] why we're here to look at these here and

[5:44] to see how we these are positions that

[5:46] I've

[5:48] recommended to be within the budget and

[5:50] again we've gone through a period I've

[5:52] been subject some criticism for not

[5:55] filling

[5:57] positions we went through a period with

[5:59] Co where the Civil Service Commission in

[6:02] fact shut down didn't offer a

[6:04] test uh there of recruitment issues not

[6:08] only for City's conect but businesses in

[6:11] its entirety we're rebounding back from

[6:13] that and again look to be able to staff

[6:17] those departments in an adequate and

[6:19] fair manner to be able to deliver

[6:21] Services people want and

[6:27] need goe please if I can add uh as I was

[6:31] looking over the current vacancies that

[6:33] we were received uh definitely thank you

[6:35] to the um Department of Finance for

[6:37] providing this information to us um what

[6:39] I took into consideration when I was

[6:41] evaluating what positions to consider to

[6:44] not fund I was uh referencing in

[6:48] referencing individual positions that

[6:49] were vacant for an extended number of

[6:51] years and I think as we look forward to

[6:53] how do we sta City Hall correctly uh or

[6:56] effectively it's also understanding do

[6:58] we have the right amount of jobs but do

[7:00] we have the right jobs and I think

[7:02] previously as we were discussing with

[7:03] the law Department uh as um Mr Cen so

[7:08] passionately tries to find uh attorneys

[7:11] uh if you cannot find that position or

[7:12] that role how can you replace it or what

[7:15] alternative means do you have available

[7:16] to you hence us reviewing the uh

[7:20] incorporation of a pargal uh so as I

[7:23] went through this uh spreadsheet I

[7:25] identified some U lines that were vacant

[7:29] for for two to three years and of those

[7:31] was the code enforcement officer uh the

[7:34] assistant to the city engineer the

[7:36] junior civil engineer the payroll audit

[7:38] clerk which the mayor um highlighted as

[7:41] he would be not in in favor of not

[7:43] funding the assistant Corporation

[7:45] Council uh I highlighted one Meo for

[7:48] streets uh two from the water

[7:51] maintenance workers and one from the

[7:54] water treatment plant instrumentation

[7:57] Specialists and again that's taken to

[7:59] consideration just extended vacancy

[8:02] positions for uh the majority of those

[8:04] have been vac for 3

[8:07] years just I just want to ask on the

[8:10] payroll AO cler that was always filled

[8:12] and the person had just had left this

[8:14] time this year we're just waiting for

[8:16] the test results to fill it okay well we

[8:19] definitely need that position well

[8:21] correction that was on the mayor's

[8:23] spreadsheet that we had in front of

[8:28] us

[8:30] that

[8:36] I correction it's

[8:39] not Mr go ahead please well I just want

[8:42] to point out that um a couple of the

[8:45] years that we had bacing positions those

[8:48] were uh coid years and um I think it

[8:51] probably was difficult to find staffing

[8:54] uh during coid um but I do think that if

[8:57] the staff and the mayor if the

[8:59] department heads and the mayor have

[9:01] requested these positions um again I

[9:04] think there's probably a need for the

[9:05] positions um and I think that we should

[9:07] continue trying to recruit for them

[9:09] especially in light of you know there

[9:12] has been uh conversation around the fact

[9:14] that perhaps we were under staffed um

[9:17] within City Hall so but I mean I think

[9:19] it was probably difficult for many

[9:20] people to recruit um adequate Staffing

[9:24] during Co which is the previous two

[9:26] years that you're looking at on the spr

[9:31] Mr Willam can you please go through back

[9:33] those those that you highlighted so you

[9:35] can have a record of it you are

[9:38] highlighting that was one code

[9:40] enforcement officer hold on hold

[9:43] on

[9:45] okay the assistant to the city

[9:49] engineer the junior civil

[9:53] engineer the assistant Corporation

[9:56] councel one hold on yes Corporation

[9:59] Council mhm

[10:01] yes one m e o m for

[10:06] streets two for the water maintenance

[10:10] worker and one Water Treatment Plant

[10:14] instrumentation specialist you're saying

[10:17] water maintenance worker

[10:19] one uh5 corre no no under the water can you repeat that is water

[10:29] maintenance worker there for uh two

[10:31] Water Maintenance

[10:35] workers and the water treatment plan

[10:37] instrumentation

[10:39] specialist can can I just mention

[10:41] something about that uh that is new part

[10:43] of the or new water system and our

[10:46] source system uh it's actually a brand

[10:49] new uh system uh controlled by computers

[10:52] rather Valves and stuff we I think Paul

[10:55] I don't think he's not here tonight is

[10:56] he he is here Paul about instrumen

[10:59] special have we started even

[11:00] interviewing people for did and we

[11:03] actually offered the offered that

[11:06] position to somebody and the next day

[11:09] she declined after she gave her notice

[11:11] to her company because they gave her

[11:13] better

[11:14] offer but that's a necessary position

[11:17] right especially for the future okay

[11:20] it's one person two jobs it's a highly

[11:23] Technical and specialized position it's

[11:25] to skate a system to manage that systems

[11:29] we upgrade the uh automation of it and

[11:32] maintain the high quality of water that

[11:34] we provide for the city

[11:36] yes if I if I can ask one person two

[11:39] jobs want to make sure right so I guess

[11:41] my next question would be who is

[11:43] performing that role of those duties

[11:45] right now we contracted up and there's a

[11:49] ticket if they can get there they get

[11:51] there they can't when they show up they

[11:53] show up and it is vital because it is

[11:55] our water system and it is the skate

[11:57] assistance to the seage treatment so it

[11:59] is V so we are at their Mercy when they

[12:02] want to show up to do the

[12:04] job so right now we have four vacancies

[12:07] there where according to the sheet it's

[12:09] four vacancies for the water maintenance

[12:12] worker any water maintenance worker

[12:16] yes yes so there four vacancies I think

[12:19] one was filled recently maybe last week

[12:22] so we interview constantly because there

[12:24] a requirement to have a CDL CDLs are

[12:27] very hard to

[12:29] so if you you know we've been always

[12:32] actively looking for meos in the street

[12:35] department or water store maintenance

[12:37] workers because they are required to

[12:38] have a cdlp license Drive our

[12:41] equipment thank

[12:45] you and did you had any um comments on

[12:49] so the so

[12:52] fund uh none for sewer but um adding the

[12:56] cumulative uh cost savings for those

[12:58] positions in total would equate to half

[13:00] million

[13:13] doll go ahead please this one did not

[13:16] make the list but I really you know

[13:17] discussed a lot so I just would like to

[13:19] revisit it um the mechanic

[13:22] one uh which is a new position um I re I

[13:25] reviewed what we've been spending and so

[13:27] on the outside that are not we've spent

[13:31] $612,000 so um this again was a position

[13:35] that this person we had loan so I really

[13:36] recommend we remove that and figure out

[13:38] how to if we're Contracting how get

[13:41] people to do that work within the hours

[13:43] where the vehicles are not being used um

[13:46] I have a lot of concerns about this

[13:47] individual working on their own um and

[13:49] you know with the emergency lift and all

[13:51] of that and with all of the other

[13:52] garages that we're using I would

[13:54] recommend that we look at one of the

[13:56] garages to be able to do the work

[13:57] outside of working hour that our people

[14:00] um our staff needs a

[14:03] car just speaking on this sheet here yes

[14:06] but I add it's not on the sheet but it's

[14:08] making that

[14:10] recommendation it was uh something that

[14:12] we we discussed last buet meeting go

[14:16] ahead please yes and I I thought we were

[14:18] kind of all in agreeance of of keeping

[14:20] that gentleman and and coming up with

[14:22] some type of protocol or safety issues

[14:24] uh for for whomever is going to take

[14:25] that position and I'd like to keep

[14:27] employing uh residents of the city so I

[14:30] I'd like to at least keep that in there

[14:32] as as well as I revie the the amount of

[14:37] money that we're been spending I changed

[14:39] my position and we don't know that the

[14:40] person's going to be resident of the

[14:42] city we hope so well we would hope so

[14:47] yes go ahead please U may I ask Mr

[14:50] leonda questions um I thought that we

[14:52] actually had a person in

[14:54] that that position is new um and that is

[14:57] so there we can do the work at the off

[15:00] hours when Vehicles aren being used to

[15:03] utilize a garage I don't know most

[15:06] garages that are open till 10:00 shut

[15:09] down so our cars would be tied up for

[15:11] the next day and would be no vehicle for

[15:13] somebody to use

[15:16] um and this is this encompasses all of

[15:19] our vehicles right so it might it might

[15:21] include a police vehicle the the

[15:23] maintenance account encompasses

[15:25] everything whether it's fire vehicles

[15:26] whether it's police vehicles whether

[15:28] it's s it's every vehicle within the

[15:30] city is connected so

[15:35] um I don't you know we may find it a

[15:38] little difficult finding a garage that

[15:39] will perform the basic maintenance for

[15:41] us after work hours they may I don't

[15:44] think it'll be at the the rate that they

[15:46] normally

[15:50] charge so it's one person so they

[15:52] they're not even though it's overnight I

[15:55] know how many vehicles they could do and

[15:57] what I thought you explain to us was

[15:58] that it's basically basic maintenance

[16:00] like oil changes and those kind of

[16:02] things so uh if we close it for you know

[16:05] not to have to get to the weeds here but

[16:08] if we close a for there are garages that

[16:10] close later and if that's not the case

[16:12] it certainly um contract with them you

[16:15] know work through that because we are

[16:17] spending a lot of money right now on

[16:19] garages we have a lot of vehicles lot

[16:23] money and if we want to move those

[16:25] Vehicles when our shift ends at three

[16:27] we'll have to

[16:29] physically move those cars to the

[16:30] dealerships and they get a ride back

[16:32] home too so the work day won't be an 8

[16:35] hour day we have to move those vehicles

[16:37] that are going to be being performed

[16:38] maintenance on sometime during the day

[16:40] and have somebody follow them out and

[16:42] bring them back so and left there and go

[16:46] get that vehicle again the next day or

[16:49] before the workers return in the

[16:52] morning how many vehicles do you

[16:54] anticipate one person would be able to

[16:55] do overnight

[16:57] alone there for 8 hours they can do oil

[17:00] changes and they can do the the um the

[17:04] liquid check the liquid levels and do

[17:06] tire changes and they can do you know

[17:09] normal oil change you know you probably

[17:11] do sever at night right there for eight

[17:13] hours the hours would be

[17:14] three 10 two two to 10 sorry our

[17:20] over I still would like to see if you

[17:23] could figure out a way for us to do that

[17:24] with with in house we were spending a

[17:26] lot of money on garages already and you

[17:28] add position which um again for me it's

[17:31] kind of a kind of touchy to have that

[17:34] one person doing all that so that's

[17:39] right um go ahead but with respect

[17:43] wouldn't we be spending more money in

[17:44] the garages than what we're currently

[17:46] spending if we had to not have that

[17:48] position in this person inhouse doing

[17:50] work as opposed to sending more cars out

[17:54] to garages I'm not really understanding

[17:57] um I well first my M my first of all my

[18:00] major concern is that we have an

[18:01] individual overnight working with

[18:02] equipment flammable things Etc on their

[18:04] own working with a lift we and so I'm

[18:07] saying that if we if we want to do it

[18:09] then we should have a rotating shift of

[18:11] someone else coming in if that's a

[18:12] possibility or we have another garage

[18:15] and not have this in the budget but I am

[18:18] adamant about having that individual

[18:20] working alone um in a condition I think

[18:22] is pretty dangerous um

[18:27] overnight

[18:29] and depending on seasonal nature we do

[18:32] staff that facility sometimes 24 hours

[18:36] sometimes in the evening so that this

[18:39] particular one is talking about being

[18:43] assigned uh latitude but there would be

[18:46] other people within the

[18:49] facility so the other people in the

[18:51] facility couldn't do any of this

[18:53] work it's a union it's it's specific to

[18:58] the Operating

[18:59] Engineers to the what operating

[19:05] engineers so the other people in there

[19:07] would not be in the same categories that

[19:08] you

[19:09] saying the heavy equipment governs heavy

[19:12] equipment operators local 158

[19:16] mechanics

[19:19] 1037 so we have um two three other

[19:23] people in that c four actually in that

[19:25] category and you're saying and one of

[19:27] them is the new one so you're saying

[19:28] that the other three people could not do

[19:30] any of that work the other three that

[19:32] are at the bureau service do do that

[19:34] work they also do more mechanical work

[19:36] they do BR they do Airlines hydraulic

[19:38] lines this position is a different title

[19:41] would be more of the basic oil changes

[19:44] on a lot of the police cars the uh

[19:47] medium duty trucks and the heavy duty

[19:50] trucks um heavy duty trucks can not take

[19:53] it into a jippy Lube or a valine they

[19:55] have to go to International or

[19:59] car

[20:00] dealership um we start bringing all our

[20:02] vehicles to JY

[20:04] Bo I'm not asking you that but I am

[20:06] asking you if if the other people that

[20:08] are here could do some of the work and I

[20:09] think your answer was yes yes they do

[20:11] some of the work but they're also doing

[20:12] the more mechanical

[20:14] work keep the this is more of the basic

[20:17] maintenance that you do on oil changes

[20:19] wiper blades tail lights directionals

[20:23] not any more heavier mechanical work

[20:26] that's why it's a different rate any

[20:28] other mechanics thank

[20:32] [Applause]

[20:33] you Mr F recently we um we res sended

[20:38] the $2.5 million to the Aquatic Center

[20:40] funding correct I would like to throw

[20:42] that out to the table here that this is

[20:44] the right time for us to to consider

[20:47] using that that $2.5 million that is not

[20:49] considered in this budget and I would

[20:51] like to open it for discussion in terms

[20:54] of how we can able to bring that in here

[20:56] and to help us offset some of

[21:00] these pleas push around

[21:08] here open for discussion with my my

[21:10] members it was up to me I take more

[21:12] money have art use it for the fundings

[21:16] you for uh all the all the you know

[21:19] water wells and stuff that are about to

[21:21] be working on can we use it for this

[21:23] budget stuff um I think I think we have

[21:27] budgeted if you look at the budget 68

[21:30] million 6.6 6.6 6.6 our M already in the

[21:35] budget I and then we we're using 7 792

[21:40] as a as a right that was balance of yeah

[21:43] that we had left over so we we have that

[21:45] $2.5 million do we have any more that is

[21:48] unallocated uh I I know that the only

[21:51] other amount was unallocated was 750,000

[21:54] but I know that that's M wants to Beed

[21:58] thing is

[21:59] Right St we

[22:01] already we already allocated that so

[22:04] that's the only one that I know

[22:06] of go ahead please I think I'd like to

[22:08] wait until we see what happens with um

[22:11] there's projects that have contingencies

[22:13] on them so we might be getting funds

[22:14] back from ARA as it is if those

[22:17] organizations can't um meet the

[22:20] contingencies so I think I'd rather keep

[22:23] um you know see what happens when we

[22:26] look at the arer overall

[22:28] yeah I think we're going to get back

[22:30] some funding because some of these

[22:31] agencies is not going to meet their

[22:33] requirement extend them to give them a

[22:36] the last yeah and it's pretty much going

[22:39] to come back in to help us so then we

[22:41] can look sort of big picture at so I

[22:43] think this 2.5 million right for us to

[22:46] tap into and help us with the

[22:50] budget I'd rather wait but so so were

[22:52] you saying you don't want to use it we

[22:53] already took the two point we had to

[22:54] resend the 2 million because that

[22:57] project move forward yeah I mean we

[22:58] don't know if there's going to be other

[22:59] needs going forward so I'd rather look

[23:01] at the whole picture but I don't know

[23:03] look to see what other people

[23:05] think I know that um we've gotten

[23:07] another application uh we to look at for

[23:10] um Holy Cross Holy Name of Jesus for

[23:13] their basketball court so there are

[23:15] people uh because of the exceptions

[23:17] we're making on these arpa applications

[23:19] extending things there are people who

[23:20] put an initial uh AR applications that

[23:23] are looking to get refunded

[23:25] again um I'm open to you the 2.5 it was

[23:29] we had already allocated to a project

[23:30] and so I'm opening if if it can help

[23:33] this budget to to move that money into

[23:37] this go ahead please yet I would have to

[23:41] Echo that sentiment I think we've all

[23:43] heard on this table and also throughout

[23:44] the community uh the frustration with

[23:47] the concept of considering projects that

[23:48] were submitted after the fact I know

[23:50] that there have been talks of a

[23:52] potential a new facility being developed

[23:54] but I think since that hasn't been a

[23:56] point of conversation here at the table

[23:58] I think before us U Mr unar highlighted

[24:01] that there was an additional $2.5

[24:02] million I think as we evaluate what best

[24:05] to do to position the city uh I think

[24:08] that I would be very very much

[24:09] considerate of applying that to this

[24:10] year's

[24:13] budget go ahead please um Mr Williams so

[24:16] you were probably the the biggest

[24:18] proponent of um a second issue um right

[24:22] along so are you no longer in favor of

[24:24] that or um for people to reapply again

[24:28] for other the funding I would say thank

[24:30] you for bringing that up I think part of

[24:31] being a council member is understanding

[24:33] that at this table conversations change

[24:35] and your positions evolve I think

[24:38] recognizing that we all have a very uh our very strong positions and I think

[24:44] if I'm trying to sit here to work

[24:46] collaboratively that is something that

[24:48] I'm willing to push forward as an option

[24:49] to put forth a budget that I could

[24:51] support the

[24:55] city yeah I'm in favor fav of using this

[24:58] $2.5 million to help us because he's the

[25:03] burden on us in terms of looking where

[25:06] we can find additional funding and this

[25:08] money is available for us to use so

[25:10] let's use it I think it's the reason why

[25:13] it's

[25:14] there and we should be fortunate that we

[25:17] were able to resend it and have it ready

[25:20] for us to use at the right

[25:25] time unless Mr Ferrari has any

[25:28] AR

[25:33] funding only thing I know we have to

[25:35] wait down of the year to see if there's

[25:37] any left that we have budgeted for this

[25:39] year um and it's really up to you guys

[25:42] about we sending the pl going forward

[25:44] for going forward uh and that 2.5

[25:48] million it's you know I just want to say

[25:51] uh if you looked at our water and sore

[25:52] our our sore fund is 2.5 million off I

[25:55] have no problem using AR money for water

[25:58] and sore infrastructure which which is

[26:01] exactly what intended to be used for and

[26:04] that's exactly why I pull that because

[26:06] looking at the report that you provided

[26:08] you and D provided right away at that

[26:10] funding $2.5 million fitting right there

[26:13] and then had a conversation with you

[26:15] today I was fortunate to have that in

[26:17] terms of where is this $2.5 million and

[26:20] can be

[26:24] used where is it no no that's why I

[26:27] asked

[26:29] sorry no I was just making a statement

[26:32] sorry no we know where it is

[26:44] yeah so can I have a consensus on the

[26:47] finance committee so let moving

[26:51] forward no no okay I'm in favor of

[26:55] utilizing the $2.5 million to help us

[26:57] push

[26:58] this will we use that strictly for what

[27:03] well well we have we have three I think

[27:06] the water fund the general

[27:09] fund go ahead I I think that you're

[27:11] trying to circumvent the discussion

[27:13] about whether we're going to have the

[27:14] fee increases that are part of the

[27:16] budget I don't know I'm just saying I

[27:17] mean should we have that discussion

[27:18] before you make any decision about us I

[27:22] think we left the meeting I think we

[27:24] left the meeting last meeting with um

[27:27] not in favor of winning

[27:29] please well the finance committee yes um

[27:32] I think that you yeah no I don't think

[27:35] you had a chance to voice any opinion on

[27:37] that the other night but this is just

[27:40] pushing it down the road it's not doing

[27:42] anything it's the same nonsense that was

[27:45] last year with the arpa money we saw the deficit last year nothing was

[27:52] done all these positions were we have to

[27:55] have them we have to have them we have

[27:57] to have them them now all of a sudden we

[28:00] don't need

[28:01] them so this does nothing except extend

[28:05] the problem down the road and makes it

[28:08] even

[28:12] bigger M far to answer to your question

[28:14] with regards where do we use it I mean

[28:15] that is up to you where you drop into

[28:17] and use it because we're looking at a

[28:19] 2.5 8883 well let's chairman with all

[28:23] due respect I submitted a

[28:26] budget developed by the department heads

[28:29] put in position it's now city council if

[28:33] you're

[28:34] again used a convoluted process of the

[28:37] allocation of the arpa money to begin

[28:39] with you didn't rely on professional

[28:42] staff for input and Analysis it's why we

[28:45] have projects out there that are

[28:47] underfunded and are going to be in

[28:48] ability to complete on time or within

[28:52] budget and this just becomes a charade

[28:54] that's really an embarrassment in the

[28:56] overall fiscal position in the

[29:04] city go ahead please well I'd say to Mr

[29:07] Pal's comments I would have appreciated

[29:09] hearing those the day that we had the

[29:11] discussion but I did not forever reason

[29:13] you were not present uh I would say to

[29:15] the mayor's Point uh collaborative

[29:18] government is what I learned in school

[29:20] and what I was looking forward to being

[29:21] a part of uh it seems as if this year it

[29:25] has been very one-sided so say based on

[29:28] the motion that I put forward someone

[29:30] has to respond correct Mr M yes so

[29:35] response hey I made a motion and I

[29:39] didn't know if anyone responded

[29:41] to yes I

[29:48] second do you want to go back through

[29:51] question do you want to go back to

[29:56] the

[29:59] well everybody can read so I think we're

[30:01] pretty well set as to what's on the

[30:04] chart I said everybody can read the

[30:07] vacancy we don't need a report as to no no no no no I asked I asked Mr

[30:11] William he made

[30:13] some he made some suggestion here we

[30:16] don't have so I ask him to go through

[30:19] that he already did yes so we can

[30:22] highlight it and see where we stands of

[30:25] do we keep this position and do we uh

[30:30] that is my

[30:32] question so basically what you're asking

[30:34] is whether we want to eliminate um a

[30:36] code enforcement officer an assistant to

[30:39] the city engineer a junior civil

[30:41] engineer assistant Corporation

[30:44] Council some meos which we yeah okay one

[30:48] Meo which we really know we need um two

[30:52] Water Maintenance workers um and the

[30:54] water treatment plant instrumentation

[30:56] specialist those

[30:57] that's what you're trying to eliminate

[30:59] right now I would

[31:01] say please I would say based on the

[31:03] information that we received I went

[31:05] through this spreadsheet and identified

[31:07] positions that I thought would be open

[31:09] for consideration up to this point we

[31:11] have only heard from a portion of our

[31:13] council members since I've have

[31:14] specified individual positions we have

[31:16] heard from a number of our department uh

[31:19] staff which I appreciate your feedback

[31:20] to make sure that our actions are well

[31:22] reflecting of the needs of your

[31:24] departments um however we can at the

[31:27] direction of Mr mavian we can go through

[31:30] line by line and see if individuals feel

[31:32] comfortable moving forward with that uh

[31:34] but I presented

[31:41] options I me I already said what I

[31:43] thought I did

[31:45] I I think you did too

[31:48] yeah okay so Mr you want to

[31:53] each I just goad

[31:55] please so the code enforcement officer

[31:58] I'm not in favor of that I have to say

[32:00] and based on

[32:04] um the description by Mr

[32:09] um Mr lefon I would be in favor of one

[32:13] of those

[32:14] positions um and I just want to be clear

[32:16] M these are we received positions that

[32:19] you had originally taken out of the

[32:20] budget as

[32:22] well in the final budget they were not

[32:25] included I didn't personally take some

[32:27] of those out department heads reviewing

[32:30] their actual staffing needs and again

[32:32] coming up with a number that uh help the

[32:36] tax levy at as lowest

[32:42] possible go ahead please well we have

[32:45] several engineering positions that

[32:47] aren't filled for many years I would be

[32:50] okay with cutting those and putting that

[32:53] money back into both the uh fire and

[32:56] police overtime but in some of those

[32:59] positions we have used that money to

[33:02] hire outside firms to do the work that

[33:05] would have been done by engineering

[33:07] staff then we keep that amount then cut

[33:11] the rest and put it towards the overtime

[33:20] budgets uh our chief engineer he already

[33:23] removed a couple of um positions from

[33:26] his budget when it was submitted so what

[33:28] we're seeing here is what was pass his

[33:31] submission so there are already I

[33:33] believe one and a half positions that

[33:34] were

[33:40] move

[33:42] will yes just looking for a point of

[33:44] clarity um Mr Mayor to your point uh

[33:47] positions that are unfilled those

[33:48] departments are able to utilize those

[33:50] vacant funds for the best needs of that

[33:52] department is that

[33:54] correct yes thank you

[34:06] the F saying to REM all the funds fromer

[34:10] just oh whatever it is that they

[34:12] Outsource to get the job done keep that

[34:15] allocation and then move the rest of the

[34:18] positions away and be in mind also they

[34:22] have a line for fees of service that

[34:23] they also tap into well if he hasn't

[34:25] filled them in three years and it's not

[34:26] that

[34:27] difficult you just go to RPI you can

[34:29] contact Clarks and you want to fill the

[34:31] positions you probably

[34:33] could again he he removed one and a half

[34:35] out of his budget for this year was from

[34:37] 4.5 to three so part of that has already

[34:40] been done and if we're going to be

[34:42] consistent with that then we have to be

[34:43] consistent as we look at all the line

[34:45] items to say they also haven't been

[34:48] filled in three years that's going to be

[34:50] the Matrix is we're going to use pleas

[34:53] again that speaks to my point of this is

[34:57] what the department heads what we have

[34:58] in this document is what the department

[35:00] heads have suggested for their Staffing

[35:03] so that's right what Miss Porterfield is

[35:04] saying is we do have already the

[35:07] knowledge of what the head engineer has

[35:11] suggested so why fool around anymore

[35:13] with any of the other Staffing and that

[35:15] would be consistent across the budget

[35:17] that this is what the department heads

[35:19] have said um and again to your point I'm

[35:23] waiting for that conversation about the

[35:25] overtime but I don't want to cut

[35:26] anything from you know I hear what

[35:28] you're saying you're trying to

[35:31] hopefully go ahead of that discussion

[35:33] but I mean hopefully when we get to that

[35:35] discussion we can resolve that issue as

[35:38] well yeah but to add to Mr P any point

[35:40] this this has been over for several

[35:42] years vacant and as long as we've been

[35:45] in the council here we have seen that

[35:46] this trend moving from year to year

[35:48] being vacant yes we utilize all the

[35:50] money to offet consultant and others but

[35:53] are we utilizing all this money and

[35:56] we're using it then parli recommend see

[35:59] what we need move it into the P service

[36:01] line and

[36:03] then you know add address some of the uh

[36:06] the

[36:08] funding I think I think that's what the

[36:10] discussion is about on this sheet here

[36:12] is about the funding position is vacant

[36:15] over this last couple

[36:17] years why

[36:19] continue if we have to move them in the

[36:21] Fe of service line let's move some there

[36:23] and

[36:24] then zero all the rest into the

[36:28] general and then if I may these are

[36:30] difficult conversations to have but

[36:32] truly this is what our entire country is

[36:34] dealing with there's no industry that is

[36:36] exempt from making these same type of

[36:38] decisions and this is our responsibility

[36:41] to evaluate this based on the input

[36:43] we're receiving to make sure we're

[36:46] adjusting and making sure we're the best

[36:47] position as a

[36:50] city your position is not to consider

[36:53] any then I respect that um but I'm just

[36:57] trying to look at the trends and see if

[37:00] there are any cost

[37:09] savings you want to keep going on on the

[37:11] audience want to

[37:25] suggest

[37:30] did you have

[37:31] something so we going one by one yeah

[37:34] that's why keep going to the one that

[37:36] you suggested and let's um move on that

[37:39] see yep the assistant the city engineer

[37:42] the junior civil

[37:44] engineer uh the assistant Corporation

[37:46] councel one Meo for

[37:49] streets uh the two Water Maintenance

[37:54] workers and I think if hearing the com

[37:56] from Mr Le i' to removing the L

[37:59] treatment plan instrumentation

[38:01] specialist pardon me removing it from

[38:04] your list remove from your

[38:09] list how would be opposed to the uh

[38:13] sewer maintenance workers and the

[38:15] Wastewater uh worker their short staff

[38:18] down there could create a dangerous

[38:20] situation and uh you want to talk about

[38:24] having individuals work by themselves

[38:26] that I would be opposed to

[38:29] that appreciate your comment I

[38:32] appreciate your comment me I think

[38:34] looking there are currently four

[38:35] vacancies so the two would still leave

[38:37] two open positions my thought process

[38:39] was fill those two and if uh the need

[38:43] presents

[38:45] itself coming back before the

[38:53] council any other discussion on any

[38:55] other position

[38:57] and this is dealing with the 2021 22 and

[39:02] 23

[39:09] yes I just want to clarify and perhaps

[39:12] Mr Mar can can help but it looks like in

[39:14] the Law Department

[39:18] budget in terms of the assistant

[39:20] Corporation

[39:21] Council one of those was your previous I

[39:26] think was your previous role perhaps um

[39:28] it may have been yes y um I believe we

[39:31] still have uh two other full-time

[39:35] assistant Corporation Council positions

[39:37] open uh my understanding is Mr C had

[39:39] indicated that to the extent that that's

[39:41] cut if we didn't find another attorney

[39:43] we would probably be returning to

[39:45] council um recruitment for attorneys is

[39:47] very difficult um we do try the best we

[39:50] can we' actively try and local law

[39:53] schools to more people from other

[39:56] positions and other WS but it is

[39:58] competitive it is competitive

[40:04] Yeah so basically if we removed those

[40:08] two

[40:10] positions you might come back and we

[40:12] might come back and have to add an

[40:14] amendment to trying

[40:16] to it yeah it would be very likely as it

[40:19] is we have Andrew and I are the only

[40:20] full-time attorneys for the city right

[40:23] um we have two part-time assistant

[40:25] Corporation Council

[40:33] so say Mr Marne highlighted is the

[40:35] difficulties with hiring just a single

[40:38] highly specialized position is that

[40:40] correct I'm sorry could you repeat the

[40:42] question it's difficult to hire even one

[40:45] extremely specialized physan it is very

[40:47] difficult so I would say if we focused

[40:49] on a singular vacancy and then if that

[40:52] individual presents itself in addition

[40:54] to uh incorporating a legal evaluating

[40:58] the need which I imagine is to have more

[41:00] um of those individuals in your office

[41:02] but if they don't present themselves I

[41:04] think it

[41:06] is besides the point out two

[41:10] [Music]

[41:13] vacancies that being said I will also

[41:16] add that the um uh the fewer attorneys

[41:19] we have in the Law Department the higher

[41:21] our outside Council costs are um and you

[41:24] know outside counsil rates vary any from

[41:26] 300 to $600 an

[41:34] hour as far as I'm concerned it's the

[41:37] engineering

[41:38] positions the

[41:42] uh do we have any specific one that we

[41:45] can just highlight so that well there's

[41:47] four four four four

[41:49] Bacons one two three four five again the

[41:52] water and sewage those are things that

[41:54] we really need don't want to screw

[41:57] around with that in my opinion abely I

[42:00] agree and the MEO falls under the

[42:03] specialization with the

[42:06] CDL and other than that the carpenter I

[42:11] guess I'm fine

[42:14] with but otherwise I think you feel

[42:20] them we have five an engine you

[42:24] mention one you

[42:27] well one says it's

[42:28] filled oh then it's been vacant again

[42:32] I'm assuming if yeah I'm assuming they

[42:35] filled it once they can fill it

[42:41] again and I would want to that is the

[42:48] IPS go ahead Mr I was going to say I

[42:50] wouldn't completely strip that

[42:52] department

[42:55] either

[42:56] I'd have to Echo that especially since

[42:58] Mr Wallen has made it a point of already

[43:01] looking at his budget and seeing

[43:02] positions that weren't filled and

[43:03] therefore not put bringing them forward

[43:05] to this year's budget so I believe he

[43:07] took into consideration that these

[43:09] budgets these um positions have not been

[43:11] filled in past years he's been able to

[43:14] run his apartment and has taken them out

[43:15] so I don't want that we should continue

[43:17] to go even further into that so um Mr

[43:21] Williams has suggested too

[43:25] and Mr pal is suggesting any more and I

[43:28] don't think we should go more than two

[43:30] um and I really I think that Mr wall has

[43:33] already considered what he needs in his

[43:35] Department in terms of downsizing re

[43:38] realizing what our our fisal situation

[43:49] is Mr William you mentioned for all the engineering department do you have

[43:54] the two in in mind

[43:58] yes he did he

[43:59] did can you identify please assistant

[44:04] City enger and Junior civil

[44:22] engineer so so Mr Wallen elimin the

[44:26] junior cver engineer already from the

[44:28] budget that's already out of the

[44:31] budget right am I I'm looking on page

[44:34] yes of 10 and there's zero on that line

[44:37] he already eliminated that particular it

[44:40] shouldn't be on the other sheet he left

[44:42] in uh two assistant to the engineer and

[44:46] one civil engineer so the there's an

[44:50] error then right because the assistant

[44:53] well yeah okay so the assistant to the

[44:54] civil engineer he did leave so you want

[44:57] to get rid of one of those it's he

[45:00] didn't have in the budget he did have

[45:02] the he had he had two assistants to the

[45:05] civil engineer in his budget but now

[45:08] we're taking out one of

[45:11] them the other one is called assistant

[45:13] civil engineer that's not on he that's

[45:16] what he eliminated and that is not on

[45:18] the green on this sheet at

[45:21] all

[45:23] um and then the IPS

[45:26] he wants an IPS so that wasn't in his

[45:29] budget um but that is what he asked for

[45:34] when he met with us I guess because it's

[45:37] not in his budget yeah it's not it

[45:39] wouldn't be under administrative

[45:41] salaries oh okay let me see maybe me go

[45:44] down

[45:45] furthers yep thank you oh

[45:50] there what page is that John that is

[45:52] Page n page

[45:54] n

[46:03] that's

[46:04] right I don't see it oh there we go yes

[46:14] right so we did put that

[46:18] in and that when you want to leave in

[46:20] right the

[46:24] ips3

[46:27] yeah

[46:41] take and the ips4 that's in that

[46:43] department is currently

[46:47] unfilled the

[46:54] IPS

[46:57] I see so the civil engineer on page

[47:01] 10 yeah so he took out Chris already

[47:04] took out the civil engineer that's on

[47:07] this scen

[47:11] sheet he removed the assistant civil

[47:14] engineer and the civil and the J oh yeah

[47:19] you're right y

[47:22] okay so those are the

[47:30] and the assistant civil engineer is only

[47:32] half time um

[47:36] previous can we just have a new list of

[47:39] what is being proposed yeah that's TR oh

[47:43] okay because I think we added something

[47:45] back in the uh

[47:48] that's so we can

[47:50] highlight

[47:54] there

[47:56] we will need to I mean it doesn't matter

[47:58] because we can't vote but

[48:02] right because if there's one in here

[48:04] that that's supposed to be in

[48:06] here if it was already

[48:24] removed

[48:29] this want you finish with with

[48:33] your

[48:43] yes let's move on to the 2024 new

[48:46] position been proposed

[48:54] just

[49:03] ferari the one highlighted and other one

[49:06] have removed there can you walk us

[49:09] through that those yes so the yellow

[49:13] highlighted

[49:14] positions uh that was originally put in

[49:17] by Department request uh they were

[49:20] removed by us um the one item for flea

[49:24] manager by the city

[49:26] council um if you look at the Highlight

[49:29] item in pink there street department

[49:32] manager uh that's just a title change

[49:35] and the rest are positions that were

[49:37] added to the

[49:39] budget the only only other thing at the

[49:42] bottom you get the lead inspector

[49:43] coordinator and the lead inspector risk

[49:46] coordinator accessor uh we're switching

[49:49] that from a management position to a CCA

[49:52] it used to be a CCA to begin with uh the

[49:55] department had at the time requested um

[49:58] insisted rather that they would uh go

[50:01] into that position and train um and do

[50:04] enforcement department but um I think

[50:07] that is not the case anymore so both of

[50:09] those would be csca

[50:12] no one budget at 5,000 and the other be

[50:16] CAU 65,000

[50:19] mat okay so that should be in yellow in

[50:22] other words right okay gotcha

[50:43] miss bfield you talk about the um the

[50:46] Moto equipment operator

[50:49] mechanic yes I we discussed that um

[50:53] Mr has given us his impression of that

[50:56] um and I would really like to see how we

[50:59] could figure out how to do that work um

[51:02] without having someone on the own over

[51:04] at night I know what you said about

[51:06] other people there and so again I

[51:08] wondering how we is it that we can have

[51:10] other people there that are already

[51:13] there do some of this work if if it

[51:14] extends past the normal business hours

[51:17] you said that we have sometimes people

[51:18] go 24 hours shs there winter time

[51:21] mechanics are obviously during

[51:24] snowstorms sometimes only one mechanic

[51:26] there during the snowstorm over time

[51:27] it's

[51:28] voluntary to come in so there are times

[51:31] when there's one person there in the sow

[51:34] only one mechanic in the

[51:39] workan in light of what was spending

[51:41] other garages I still think we should

[51:43] consider removing that

[51:48] position if you're trying to save

[51:54] money

[52:01] Mr can we ask Mr leant to just refresh

[52:04] our memory about the fleet manager

[52:06] position would you like to speak to

[52:08] about the need for the fleet manager as

[52:10] opposed to you were talking about the

[52:12] mechanic

[52:15] yeah originally it was a man position on

[52:18] the now went out the assistant we manage

[52:22] um we do work on a lot of vehicles

[52:25] there's a lot of paperwork we'd like to

[52:28] be able to monitor to through a

[52:30] computerized meance management system

[52:32] the work and how it's being performed

[52:34] but without the staff and management to

[52:38] do this work it's very difficult right

[52:40] now we have an assistant fleet manager

[52:42] who is working as fleet manager but also

[52:45] Turing wrenches also getting Arts comes

[52:48] down to we have a lot of work we don't

[52:50] have a lot of

[52:54] staff

[52:55] okay we have a number of vehicles a lot

[52:58] of vehicles go out for repairs a house

[53:01] some go to the county um we do what we

[53:04] can inh housee um you if we were able to

[53:09] do more try to reduce our outside

[53:11] expenses I need the staff that can do

[53:13] that um it's not always the most cost

[53:16] effective way contract work

[53:24] out and Mr thean we need to be um

[53:27] concerned with safety of these vehicles

[53:30] going out continuously on the road so

[53:32] they need all of our mechanics are

[53:33] certified to do both um mediumsized

[53:36] vehicles and heavy equipment for um

[53:38] inspections so every mechanic we have

[53:41] those inspections on all our vehicles

[53:44] thank

[53:54] you

[53:56] pleas

[53:57] soe comments been made were looking to

[54:00] save money which I don't have any issue

[54:02] with what are we going to do with the

[54:03] saved money we can't roll it over to the

[54:08] deficit in

[54:09] 2025 so what's the end goal with what's

[54:13] being done end see what we can say and

[54:17] then

[54:18] we you had you said you had a

[54:20] conversation with um the chief Marino

[54:24] the mayor was highlighting something

[54:25] like that just know that is here and

[54:28] that more than likely will give the

[54:30] lights

[54:31] to go into back back that whatever

[54:35] that so it's now

[54:37] pushing using it to reduce some of the

[54:40] cuts we last week sorry last two um

[54:48] session they want to eliminate the

[54:50] overtime from the police and the fire so

[54:52] that's the cut that they're talking

[54:53] about I think you had to unfortunately

[54:56] leave a little bit so yeah I have work

[54:58] so yeah he will be us

[55:02] some potential savings that we're trying

[55:04] to CL back here just want to clarify not

[55:07] eliminate there was a reduction but not

[55:10] eliminate well cut cut from what the

[55:14] police chief and fire chief have asked

[55:16] us for but not eliminating

[55:20] sorry but I I want to complete this one

[55:24] task first before getting ahead okay not

[55:26] getting ahead we need to know what the

[55:28] end result what the end outcome that's

[55:31] looking to be achieved that's what the

[55:33] end result is whatever savings and to

[55:35] look at what the major C that happened

[55:37] in the last couple of session to clap

[55:40] back on there if we can

[55:46] yes and there one of the reason why I

[55:48] brought the $2.5 billion of the AR money

[55:52] that we recently to help us with that

[55:56] but with the cuts you still didn't have

[55:58] a balanced that's that's why we are

[56:01] looking at the position here and see

[56:03] where we are then we can make a decision

[56:06] go ahead yeah there still work progress

[56:11] here so go ahead

[56:16] Miss with regards to

[56:20] 2024 yeah we started

[56:23] that I didn't I didn't have any comments

[56:25] towards towards

[56:30] these my my my comments on the U 2024

[56:34] position is to look at the

[56:36] ips3 and the IT specialist keep the um

[56:41] the G antiviolence

[56:42] coordinator and to look at the

[56:46] me and the um CD

[56:50] assistant please John just want to speak

[56:53] about uh the IP S3 for utilities and the

[56:56] ips3 for it I just want to bring up the

[56:59] fact and plus the Web Master bring up

[57:01] the fact that that whole department

[57:04] there's going to be two major

[57:05] retirements this was the plan to uh uh

[57:09] help uh keep that department together uh

[57:13] you know using three three to take the

[57:16] place of the two that are

[57:18] there Mr are we going to have some

[57:20] funding on those on retirement plan when

[57:22] the person

[57:23] retired

[57:25] yes it's going to be increased no not

[57:29] going to be no savings when they retire the month that's left

[57:33] behind excuse me the lines that we

[57:35] funding for that position they will be

[57:37] funding remain on that line when the

[57:39] person retire yeah but they're retiring

[57:42] in 2024 they're not retiring now do I'm

[57:45] saying this is 2024 yeah so so these

[57:48] positions what they're trying to do is

[57:50] hire than so before they retire they

[57:53] have some training uh so when the people

[57:56] retire the uh these positions will be up

[57:58] and running without we're trying to do

[58:00] it in a way so that the par has

[58:07] any I also want to say I think I mean

[58:10] that give antiviolence coordinator

[58:13] there's no question oh okay because I

[58:15] mean that's Grand funded it has nothing

[58:17] okay

[58:18] I I said keep that oh well I know what

[58:21] I'm just saying we don't need to even

[58:23] question we don't even need to disc keep

[58:25] it or not keeping

[58:31] it we discussed the Moto equipment

[58:34] operator mechanic the

[58:36] mum there are two position being

[58:40] proposed

[58:53] here

[59:09] always any question

[59:14] this um are the's um CA

[59:18] position 1037 10:37 I'm sorry 10 they

[59:23] are 1037

[59:25] in the street are

[59:27] 1037 water meance workers are

[59:31] also are 1037 okay thank

[59:39] you

[59:46] eliminating we have a certain number in

[59:53] contract

[59:58] so Mr Ferrari so you think that we

[1:00:00] really need the ips3 for it and the IT

[1:00:02] specialist and the Web Master the Web

[1:00:05] Master yeah just so you can have a

[1:00:06] seamless seamless array when these guys

[1:00:09] leave if if you look at if you look into

[1:00:12] the budget we did um we did put one one

[1:00:15] or two of the positions

[1:00:17] at 4

[1:00:20] 25% you know because we know we should

[1:00:22] not be full year

[1:00:25] so we just that one but for the other

[1:00:27] position that bigger position we you

[1:00:29] need that money because that person's

[1:00:31] got to be replaced and then for the it

[1:00:34] now you're going to need new it guide

[1:00:35] because now we're actually instead of

[1:00:38] just having two we're going to have two

[1:00:39] different departments now have good

[1:00:41] utilities you have traffic and then

[1:00:42] you're going have

[1:00:52] it so the yellow highlight was removed

[1:00:55] was asked by the department head but but

[1:00:57] not put in the budget by finance that

[1:00:59] was not recommendation that was

[1:01:06] that except for the fleet

[1:01:10] manager yeah

[1:01:11] that's REM so why are we considering positions

[1:01:19] that weren't in the

[1:01:22] budget I this is a report I asked

[1:01:28] think I'm not sure why

[1:01:30] here are not highlighted are in the

[1:01:33] budget still when we were doing the

[1:01:35] budget we listed all the new jobs so we

[1:01:38] had to we had this ready to go so then

[1:01:41] when he asked for when he asked for we

[1:01:43] went reviewed it he said okay we know

[1:01:45] this is out this is out this is

[1:01:47] out we want to also show that you know

[1:01:50] we've we're also working to keep things

[1:01:52] down at the same time

[1:02:01] I mean the first I'm okay to keep the um

[1:02:04] the ips3 for utility admin and I'm okay

[1:02:07] with keeping the IT specialist Web

[1:02:09] Master and we can reconsider the ips3

[1:02:13] for

[1:02:16] it pleas I'm sorry but again I mean I

[1:02:19] think that when we heard from it but

[1:02:21] also I think some of these positions

[1:02:25] those those positions I think also in

[1:02:26] terms of the increase in the Cyber the

[1:02:29] risk of cyber attacks I think that was a

[1:02:31] reason that um we were thinking about

[1:02:34] making sure that we had appropriate

[1:02:35] Staffing levels um in it everybody else

[1:02:39] jump in from when we had aan speaking to

[1:02:43] us but

[1:02:46] um or actually it was Mr Kio that

[1:02:48] presented for that so I could look back

[1:02:50] to my notes but um I think we have to

[1:02:53] really be with the increase in cyber

[1:02:55] attacks across our nation or

[1:02:58] across the internationally I mean I

[1:03:01] think we have to really be careful about

[1:03:03] what we're doing and making sure that

[1:03:05] we're not putting any of our data um at

[1:03:08] risk so I would still support those it

[1:03:13] positions no it was one of the IDE

[1:03:15] that's why we may have suggest us to

[1:03:16] make a budget

[1:03:18] appropriation

[1:03:20] so the

[1:03:22] I can't exact title so mention the name

[1:03:28] Mr sorry and then we I The Specialist

[1:03:32] Web Master I think they explain that to

[1:03:35] us so help that

[1:03:37] also find my page

[1:03:44] here yeah please and I think I would

[1:03:47] support that if we already had

[1:03:48] candidates aligned but I think the

[1:03:50] question that we're presented with right

[1:03:51] now is whether we're comfortable with

[1:03:53] having pools of money sitting in those

[1:03:54] lines and then the cost analysis is what

[1:03:57] is the likelihood of those being

[1:04:00] filled I mean I don't know I would guess

[1:04:03] that it positions would' be able to fill

[1:04:05] but do you have trouble filling it

[1:04:12] positions we are actively recruiting our

[1:04:16] anticipate being able to fully staff

[1:04:23] those

[1:04:31] we need an index in this next

[1:04:44] year Still Still for

[1:04:52] it no where that leaves us right now oh

[1:04:56] we just making not any any question on

[1:04:59] the go ahead please so with the IT

[1:05:01] specialist is this because we're

[1:05:03] anticipating um the retirement of the uh

[1:05:06] IT specialist is is

[1:05:09] uh is we're actually need more people to

[1:05:13] come in especially for our website we

[1:05:16] want a better Web Master for our

[1:05:23] website may happen next year we're

[1:05:25] trying to set up a a jva you know trying

[1:05:28] to open up jobs for them these actually

[1:05:31] the IPS three two people place one

[1:05:36] personing and Web Master

[1:05:39] and we're leaving the other person's

[1:05:42] position open to get a new person to

[1:05:45] take

[1:05:52] have what are we

[1:05:54] actively looking right

[1:05:59] [Music]

[1:06:08] Chief okay and any question on the

[1:06:14] me there two position be proposed into

[1:06:16] the

[1:06:18] 2024 no those those were removed by the

[1:06:22] mayor highlighted the

[1:06:24] right above that that one two okay

[1:06:29] for I I had thought that Mr D came in

[1:06:33] explain the situation with the parks y y

[1:06:53] yep

[1:07:03] any question on the CDs

[1:07:22] system6

[1:07:25] if you could just give me a little

[1:07:26] background again on what this person's

[1:07:27] position is it's actually a new position

[1:07:30] U before

[1:07:34] uh can't her name that's okay she just

[1:07:37] left Kristen yes uh before the uh

[1:07:41] Department development person left she

[1:07:43] want his position because we there was

[1:07:45] such a a loss of Staff in that uh

[1:07:49] Community Development uh Community

[1:07:51] Development Department that uh wanted to

[1:07:54] bring in a new Community Development um

[1:07:57] supervisor and also assistant uh to help

[1:08:01] the supervisor so they both can learn

[1:08:03] together so that you know try to get the

[1:08:05] in the future the department in a

[1:08:07] stronger

[1:08:12] position just just just to remind you

[1:08:15] that CD assistant is 100% funded

[1:08:22] by

[1:08:29] but we we also have a CD supervisor and

[1:08:31] a CD program monitor

[1:08:36] correct and this new position is just a

[1:08:38] CD assistant right like explain because

[1:08:41] right now the supervisor we don't have a

[1:08:43] supervisor right now and uh we need this

[1:08:49] what she

[1:08:52] Department we don't have a c Community

[1:08:55] Development supervisor but that's a

[1:08:56] vacant position where she's actually

[1:08:58] she's looking for recruits right now I

[1:09:01] think she said she have 13 uh 13

[1:09:05] candidates and what we're looking to do

[1:09:07] like you said because we bringing in a

[1:09:08] new one they wanted to bring an

[1:09:10] assistant to help help this person and

[1:09:13] then together they would learn to make the staff stronger in the future I

[1:09:17] mean it's not going to happen

[1:09:22] overnight

[1:09:31] and the the monitor is already is is

[1:09:33] currently filled that's

[1:09:35] so

[1:09:38] oh yes yes

[1:09:43] it but again that's a position that we

[1:09:46] were told they going to reti re also so

[1:09:49] I think that's the whole idea with the

[1:09:51] assistant they trying to get everybody

[1:09:53] rolling to uh take know each other's

[1:09:56] position so when there is a a loss like

[1:09:58] that uh they can take over until the

[1:10:00] next person

[1:10:07] deci I was wondering I mean actually it

[1:10:09] says it was filled in 2021 and 2022 but

[1:10:12] that Community Development supervisor I

[1:10:14] feel like it was a new position before

[1:10:16] that it was something that was that a

[1:10:19] new position and it was no I think they

[1:10:21] moved the person that was there that

[1:10:23] left the city yeah I believe they mo

[1:10:25] came into that position

[1:10:27] okay there was some position that

[1:10:29] because of the impending the pen the

[1:10:32] fact that we were getting the arpa

[1:10:33] funding before we got the arpa

[1:10:36] funding they created a new position

[1:10:39] because they thought they would need the

[1:10:40] extra set of hands to deal with all the

[1:10:42] arpa

[1:10:43] process I just don't know which one of

[1:10:45] that is that was a supervisor I think at

[1:10:49] the time that's what I thought too

[1:10:52] but

[1:10:55] any other discussion on

[1:10:57] this so do we need the supervisor I so

[1:11:02] okay so we have a CD supervisor CD

[1:11:05] program Monitor and CD

[1:11:10] assistant 100% uh

[1:11:22] funded

[1:11:34] and just as a recap the the street

[1:11:36] department manager highlighted

[1:11:41] in um was the

[1:11:46] reason that is the one gentleman uh who

[1:11:55] yeah okay so you know what do we figure

[1:11:58] out a savings of like 60 or

[1:12:00] $70,000 he does both

[1:12:03] positions otherwise he can just go back

[1:12:05] to his old position makeing 98 and then

[1:12:08] he would have to hire another person at

[1:12:10] 90 you

[1:12:14] know then you got to pay uh benefits for

[1:12:17] your other person

[1:12:22] also what you have question on this um

[1:12:25] position I'm not putting in the spot but

[1:12:28] well well a discussion that we had

[1:12:30] before was that this position it's one

[1:12:33] person supposed to be do two jobs and um

[1:12:36] initially when we had when it was put in

[1:12:39] the budget it was a 4% increase when

[1:12:42] they changed the street um the

[1:12:45] title and then when they brought it back

[1:12:47] to the original title the increase then

[1:12:50] became

[1:12:51] 14% even though initially our

[1:12:54] understanding was that they that was the

[1:12:56] person still was going to be doing two

[1:12:58] jobs because they were split between two

[1:12:59] departments but the first time we saw it

[1:13:02] was 4% and then when when when it came

[1:13:04] back with the new name became 14 excuse

[1:13:07] me when it came back to the old name

[1:13:09] became

[1:13:10] 14%

[1:13:12] so um that's my was my question around

[1:13:15] that and just the level of that

[1:13:18] particular

[1:13:20] increase is is that the where we're

[1:13:22] doing 2 and 52 and so we were

[1:13:25] eliminating two positions that were 80

[1:13:27] something and 80

[1:13:29] something what is it we're eliminating

[1:13:32] the 88 400 if you need more information find

[1:13:38] probably help you

[1:13:39] out well initially when when Mr Leon

[1:13:43] came to us he explained it but um when

[1:13:45] we saw it we didn't see the 14% increase

[1:13:48] but when it came back again then we saw

[1:13:50] the 14% increase but we haven't seen you

[1:13:52] since then

[1:13:55] yeah sure sure there was a title the

[1:13:58] were looking position position State and

[1:14:02] then we do have a gentleman who is Will

[1:14:04] to take on more work and would not fill

[1:14:07] the other position so ultimately we're I

[1:14:11] do two jobs I'm the director of Water

[1:14:13] waste water and I'm they been doing it

[1:14:15] for seven years we have an employee who

[1:14:17] is willing to take a little more

[1:14:18] responsibility a little more

[1:14:20] compensation and in return what we're

[1:14:22] saving is a position $8,000 plus the

[1:14:25] benefit package which is ultimately what

[1:14:28] we try to do is to try and be efficient

[1:14:31] but also other saving this is an

[1:14:33] opportunity to do

[1:14:35] that so um it is 14% when the score so

[1:14:39] is there is another amount is there a

[1:14:41] lesser amount that you think would be

[1:14:43] still reasonable since this person

[1:14:44] taking a little bit more work hope

[1:14:47] doesn't take the work put the position

[1:14:51] back in for

[1:14:52] ,000

[1:14:53] I mean you're willing to take if you're

[1:14:56] asking to go negotiate with him you know

[1:14:59] this is what we offer he's will to do

[1:15:02] the work at

[1:15:04] this we're interested we do it if not

[1:15:08] he'll do his exist existing job and I

[1:15:11] would ask you to look at the budget and

[1:15:13] put the other position in for 88,000 so

[1:15:16] somebody can do that

[1:15:17] job the difference is only what $6,000

[1:15:21] because the person was making 98 6,000

[1:15:24] yeah 98

[1:15:26] so4 would 91 from 88 so that would that

[1:15:30] would have been the

[1:15:36] bum 98 45 Something

[1:15:42] each management position it's not over

[1:15:45] time comes in for

[1:15:47] alls sens is there

[1:15:50] sens it was removed Tak the other if the

[1:15:53] salary increases there there's no s so

[1:15:56] you take the stien out yes I

[1:16:02] did they were the two positions at

[1:16:05] 45968 each we raised them to 52,000 each

[1:16:10] for total of 104 for the one position

[1:16:14] which would eliminate 52 each department

[1:16:17] which would eliminate the

[1:16:19] $88,000 right was the overall Savings of

[1:16:22] right not that's not the total

[1:16:24] statements it was one person and it's

[1:16:26] not two positions so just to be clear

[1:16:27] about that it's one individual that

[1:16:29] we're talking about in terms of the

[1:16:32] right for

[1:16:33] 104 but it's split into two

[1:16:44] right any other discussion on

[1:16:48] this so would it be the director of

[1:16:50] solid waste Mr lefant is it the director

[1:16:53] of director of solid waste you took out

[1:16:56] of the budget correct and that's that

[1:16:58] would be the position that the manager

[1:17:02] will assume some of the RO

[1:17:05] there okay and then the other one but

[1:17:09] okay doesn't exist the director of yeah

[1:17:12] that's f it doesn't exist okay so his

[1:17:15] was he the he is the street department

[1:17:17] man

[1:17:18] Curr

[1:17:20] [Music]

[1:17:22] gotcha

[1:17:34] got because his budget was overall

[1:17:48] down he's going to get some chairs for

[1:17:51] these

[1:17:52] guys

[1:17:54] any other discussion here so based on

[1:17:56] the the discussion we have

[1:17:58] here and the notes that I have my say

[1:18:03] I'm okay keeping the ips3 for utilities

[1:18:06] ad me I'm okay keeping the IT specialist

[1:18:09] Web

[1:18:10] Master keeping the GIF anti-un violent

[1:18:14] antiv violent

[1:18:16] coordinator and keep the m e o

[1:18:20] m and keep the lead Vector coordinator

[1:18:24] that's a movement from swich from CSC

[1:18:27] manag I won't give that it's actually L

[1:18:30] Spector risk assess yeah I'm okay with

[1:18:33] the

[1:18:35] m so you said I just want to you said

[1:18:38] keep the utilities admin ips3 yes but

[1:18:42] not the ips3 for

[1:18:44] it yeah I would be against that and then

[1:18:47] you want to keep the MEO both of them no

[1:18:50] the IP specialist master keep that yeah

[1:18:55] okay great I skipped over that one okay

[1:18:57] GI anti violent coordinator again no

[1:19:03] discussion I'm skipping the U the street

[1:19:07] department manager andle manager we took

[1:19:10] that out previous

[1:19:17] discussion Miss bfield um talk about the

[1:19:20] auto vehicle operator mechanic

[1:19:24] I am okay with keeping the M there's two

[1:19:27] of them yes I'm two and I'm okay keeping

[1:19:31] the lead inspector risk

[1:19:35] assessment and so

[1:19:37] you

[1:19:39] right you get rid of the CD assistant

[1:19:42] yes that was

[1:19:45] CDG so you didn't want that oh so that

[1:19:48] one's Grant funded also CD

[1:19:51] assistant

[1:20:00] that that is

[1:20:11] my no I'm

[1:20:14] good again I would just like to state

[1:20:17] that I would recommend not taking away

[1:20:19] the it

[1:20:21] position

[1:20:23] INF Tech specialist ips3 for

[1:20:33] it I mean it's not like this is a new

[1:20:35] position on top of they already have

[1:20:38] staff in but I think the need has

[1:20:40] increased in terms of the complexity of

[1:20:44] our it for the city and the risk

[1:20:48] of cyber problems

[1:21:02] for discussion on these

[1:21:06] items so but we remove the management

[1:21:09] position there already so you okay with

[1:21:11] leaving that out the infotech specialist

[1:21:13] that was asked for by the department

[1:21:18] but right

[1:21:20] here no I'm okay okay with the I'm okay

[1:21:24] with the positions that Finance has

[1:21:25] removed from the budget yes the ones in

[1:21:29] yellow unfortunately on the report but

[1:21:31] those were not funded in the24 budget

[1:21:35] okay go ahead please can just one more

[1:21:37] time what do you recommending we remove

[1:21:40] no I'm

[1:21:42] suggesting we keep the IPS free

[1:21:46] utilities admin keep the IT specialist

[1:21:50] Web Master right

[1:21:53] keep the GI anti coordinator great

[1:21:56] the um we already removed the I'm going

[1:21:59] skip the street manager we already

[1:22:01] removed the fleet

[1:22:03] manager hearing

[1:22:08] mhm I'm going to skip the Moto

[1:22:12] equipment I'm okay with keeping the two of

[1:22:20] them the one the CD assistant I

[1:22:26] was and the L inspector

[1:22:32] resor so the only thing you're not

[1:22:35] suggesting at this time is the IQ

[1:22:37] specialist Web

[1:22:40] Master no the IPS

[1:22:43] for oh the second

[1:22:46] one and then um other know Miss P field

[1:22:50] position on the um street department

[1:22:52] manager and

[1:22:55] the and equipment operator

[1:22:59] mechanic you had RAC concern that so

[1:23:03] that department manag that change that

[1:23:07] change my concern that I explain the one

[1:23:10] where they are now salary by 14% but

[1:23:15] Mr Mr says because of his additional

[1:23:18] duties he would have then split it back

[1:23:20] into two so those are my concerns a 14%

[1:23:23] increase after we saw it the second time

[1:23:25] not when we saw the first

[1:23:31] time we also said there's not going to

[1:23:33] be a Sten in that

[1:23:38] position what is your

[1:23:41] recommendation well I I would say that

[1:23:43] we could could lower that to 10% I more

[1:23:50] comfortable lower which one I'm sorry

[1:24:00] dep yeah please I think if you lower I

[1:24:03] don't know if that the person would take

[1:24:05] that position and then you would then we

[1:24:07] would

[1:24:08] have then we would have a problem

[1:24:10] because then we won't have a direct

[1:24:12] solid way if they want to lower that

[1:24:14] street department manager's position you

[1:24:16] won't take the position why would you

[1:24:18] lower he's already in that position why

[1:24:21] would you lower it he's already in the

[1:24:23] position I mean you should get a raise

[1:24:25] right a 14% raise is

[1:24:27] what no you're saying get rid of the

[1:24:29] splitting it into two right aren't you

[1:24:32] saying no I'm saying if even if it is

[1:24:34] two I'm saying the increase 10% is what

[1:24:37] I'm saying the two but we can't I mean

[1:24:41] that would have to be negotiated with

[1:24:42] the

[1:24:43] gentleman

[1:24:44] um outside of this

[1:24:47] meeting I'm I'm pretty sure that he

[1:24:50] would not accept the

[1:24:53] which would mean we have to go back to I

[1:24:54] believe it's called street department

[1:24:56] manager and that's the job that he's

[1:24:57] currently in so that job is the 88,000

[1:25:01] whatever plus we'd have to put in for a

[1:25:04] raise because that's not in this budget

[1:25:07] um because he should get a raise right

[1:25:11] get get a 4%

[1:25:18] ra yeah they

[1:25:21] have

[1:25:31] so it's just a savings of you know the

[1:25:33] 20 something well it won't even be 20

[1:25:35] something because what did you say the

[1:25:36] race would be be his salary would be

[1:25:39] about

[1:25:39] 92,000 so be saving like $112,000 or

[1:25:50] something that's my

[1:25:52] that's pardon me I said that was my

[1:25:55] recommendation initially like I said

[1:25:57] when it came to us they had a title it

[1:25:58] was given us 4% came back with another

[1:26:00] title um same

[1:26:02] situation but now I came back with it

[1:26:06] back to its original title but the

[1:26:07] amount that of the increase is not no

[1:26:09] longer four it was

[1:26:12] 14

[1:26:15] so so let me Rec this so you were just

[1:26:18] recommending a 10% increase not the 14%

[1:26:23] but more than likely the person might

[1:26:25] not be taking that position based on the reduction you

[1:26:31] think I can't speak for I'm just putting

[1:26:34] in my

[1:26:37] mind back to the the position of

[1:26:41] 88400 and with

[1:26:44] the the regular increase is that what

[1:26:47] you're suggesting as Port I'm just

[1:26:48] trying to recap this so we move forward

[1:26:50] no if if this gentleman wants to take

[1:26:53] this person wants to take both jobs I'm

[1:26:54] just saying I think the 14% increas is

[1:26:57] significant it's not what we were

[1:26:58] initially presented with so um it was

[1:27:01] initially presented even though there

[1:27:02] was a title change as 4% increase so now

[1:27:07] we're seeing additional 10 when it came

[1:27:08] back and it changed back to its original

[1:27:10] title I'm simply suggesting that we

[1:27:13] leave it as is but have a 10% increase

[1:27:15] versus a

[1:27:18] 14 well what I would suggest is you can

[1:27:20] leave his position there the 4% raise

[1:27:23] then give me the position back that we

[1:27:25] had deleted for what was 880,000

[1:27:31] 88,000 so you'd have two 88,000 position

[1:27:35] correct yeah that's

[1:27:38] what so that's a cost

[1:27:41] savings no

[1:27:44] sarcastic okay thanks I was thank you

[1:27:47] for what you said Miss pter field I was

[1:27:49] just under the impression last night

[1:27:51] that that yourself and Mr Williams on

[1:27:53] the finance committee were okay with

[1:27:54] this last evening voted up

[1:27:58] right I think we've kind of work through

[1:28:01] that

[1:28:03] agreement on last

[1:28:13] night item of the first

[1:28:16] page yep there it is to that's okay

[1:28:20] thank you

[1:28:23] we're in the theater of

[1:28:31] the we should sell tickets we can help

[1:28:33] with the

[1:28:35] deficit you know what we're here to

[1:28:37] discuss this and I I think the sarcasm

[1:28:39] is not necessary

[1:28:42] well as far as the IPS position goes I

[1:28:45] would object to that because we're

[1:28:47] getting meams more data all the time we

[1:28:51] have have trying to put that out on the

[1:28:54] website we've created that thing with

[1:28:57] the police department to put the data

[1:28:58] out there we're essentially probably

[1:29:02] going to put even more data out there

[1:29:05] removing that position I think would

[1:29:10] beish yeah but the department is already

[1:29:13] they have some staffing the amount of

[1:29:16] data that's coming in it's not like

[1:29:17] something new or they don't have

[1:29:20] Staffing that we're trying to but we're

[1:29:22] getting more and more data you need

[1:29:24] somebody to analyze the data otherwise

[1:29:26] the data is meaningless and protect the

[1:29:29] data is also the other

[1:29:35] concern go ahead please so the positions

[1:29:38] you highlighted and also I would

[1:29:39] entertain uh Council Mo quarter Field's

[1:29:42] uh reduction for that street department

[1:29:44] manager

[1:29:50] 10% what is the position on the the

[1:29:52] motor equipment operator mechanic

[1:29:57] one you had made some comments on that

[1:30:01] yes and um it's again that position that

[1:30:03] is there alone um using an automatic

[1:30:07] lift around a car cars multiple and I

[1:30:10] was I was asking Mr Fon if there's a way

[1:30:12] for us to be able to do that work

[1:30:14] considering the fact that we're we've

[1:30:16] expended $612,000 in garages anyway to

[1:30:19] somehow be able to either cut that back

[1:30:22] or to be able to not have this position

[1:30:24] um again because I considered a safety

[1:30:26] risk and I'll say that again and again

[1:30:28] so that was my concern around

[1:30:35] that go ahead please I I appreciate that

[1:30:38] you're concerned about the safety but I

[1:30:41] do think again it's 2:00 p.m. to 10:

[1:30:43] p.m. so let's say like from 2: p.m. to 7

[1:30:46] p.m. you know it's probably not unsafe

[1:30:50] but I mean I'm just saying I mean it's

[1:30:52] not night time um and then so it is 3

[1:30:57] hours it's 2: to 10 it's 2: p.m. to 10m

[1:31:01] that's the 8 hour shift so um I just

[1:31:04] feel like maybe there's other options

[1:31:07] that the department head could figure

[1:31:09] out because I think you expressed

[1:31:10] concern as well about the safety but

[1:31:13] there you know let's give them a chance

[1:31:14] to figure out um how to keep it safe I

[1:31:19] mean any employee that we have

[1:31:22] we worry about their safety I mean

[1:31:24] whether it's I mean these are concerns

[1:31:27] that I think that facility expected to

[1:31:29] operate a fully OA compliant environment

[1:31:32] to maintain the highest standards there

[1:31:43] so let's just see where it goes you and

[1:31:46] Mr

[1:31:47] Williams we still discussing still

[1:31:50] discussing you want it I said what I

[1:31:54] give to

[1:32:04] express I guess we'd have to see what

[1:32:06] the savings are going to be too right I

[1:32:08] mean before we move on with our

[1:32:09] discussion would we have to rerun these

[1:32:11] lists for example that is correct yes so just the

[1:32:17] two and I was going to say here um

[1:32:19] outside of uh safety concerns um is

[1:32:22] there a opportunity for some cost

[1:32:24] savings if we're using um the our

[1:32:27] existing Partners to do some of this

[1:32:30] work ask that question

[1:32:33] already but there there's no cost

[1:32:35] savings there that kind of more

[1:32:38] expensive to go to contractors okay more

[1:32:40] expensive I think that's if we had to

[1:32:43] use all the different

[1:32:44] garages the whole reason for putting

[1:32:47] this forward is to generate cost savings

[1:32:50] and improve theer operational efficiency

[1:32:52] of the ability to turn Vehicles over and

[1:32:56] keep them op so the city Workforce can

[1:32:59] do the jobs they're supposed

[1:33:02] to so how but how can we see the savings

[1:33:05] that the outside garage is then if we're

[1:33:08] funding this position how how are we

[1:33:10] managing that that number in theory will

[1:33:19] drop so is there a plan to um then bring

[1:33:22] some of the work in that's currently

[1:33:24] being out yes

[1:33:26] um because that wasn't part of the

[1:33:29] discussion when it

[1:33:32] was I'm just stating if you want

[1:33:36] to our mechanical budget is based on a

[1:33:39] number of we have smaller Vehicles we

[1:33:41] have very large Vehicles we have

[1:33:42] frontend loaders there are certain tasks

[1:33:45] that our employees are capable of doing

[1:33:47] in house there are tasks that we are not

[1:33:49] capable of doing in house those repairs

[1:33:52] go up to heavy equipment places I can't

[1:33:55] tell you Year from year what piece of

[1:33:58] equipment will fail that we can fix or

[1:34:00] cannot fix what I can tell you is that

[1:34:03] the other night when we sat in the

[1:34:04] meeting I heard how we don't have a lot

[1:34:06] of cars because they get tied up during

[1:34:08] the day during the normal work day so

[1:34:11] the codes Department short Vehicles the

[1:34:13] way to rectify that is for me to do some

[1:34:15] of the basic maintenance on the off ship

[1:34:17] so those vehicles are ready in the

[1:34:19] morning for people to get in and utilize

[1:34:21] them and not be stuck looking for a

[1:34:22] vehicle that's not available so that I

[1:34:26] cannot tell you that every we do is

[1:34:29] going to save someone it will save

[1:34:31] somebody but it will make it efficient

[1:34:32] that the vehicles are ready available

[1:34:34] for other staff members to get in in the

[1:34:36] morning okay not sitting in the office

[1:34:39] because that vehicle is in there having

[1:34:41] ties changed being inspected or having

[1:34:44] oil

[1:34:45] changes we work the same hours of mural

[1:34:48] service that City Hall does pretty much

[1:34:51] so unless I want to change the shifts at

[1:34:53] Bureau service everybody worked the 3 to

[1:34:56] 11 shift and cars will be available but

[1:34:58] it's not going to happen so we do our

[1:35:01] best to save the money but there are

[1:35:03] tasks that we cannot do in house it's

[1:35:05] beyond the means of our

[1:35:07] mechanics we always try to save but that

[1:35:10] 600,000 you referred to is every vehicle

[1:35:13] in the city fleet that's fire trucks

[1:35:17] that's police cars That's Heavy

[1:35:20] Equipment not just the vehicles we want

[1:35:23] to change oil it's our boom trucks it's

[1:35:26] everything it's our garbage trucks with

[1:35:28] the hydraulic LS and the pneumatic Rams

[1:35:31] so all that money is in one

[1:35:35] pool But it includes the vehicles that

[1:35:37] now be doing the work on right it

[1:35:39] includes the vehicles that we would do

[1:35:40] what we would call more minor

[1:35:42] maintenance on oil changes Tire changes

[1:35:44] you know light bulbs directionals things

[1:35:47] like that yes but the efficiency is that

[1:35:50] the vehicle is done in the evening when

[1:35:53] nobody's utilizing it or needs it and

[1:35:55] it's readily available for SNAP for

[1:35:57] codes everybody else to go out and do in

[1:36:00] the morning when they

[1:36:01] arrive and if

[1:36:13] that's I could have used that a few

[1:36:15] minutes

[1:36:17] ago our staff moving at all times having

[1:36:20] the

[1:36:26] Avil how do we Mo forward from

[1:36:29] this I still have concerns about the

[1:36:31] position but you know it's up to the

[1:36:33] finance committee that they want to do

[1:36:43] but finance committee leave the position

[1:36:47] ultimately we'll save money and become

[1:36:48] more

[1:36:50] efficient

[1:36:59] I'm comfortable trying it comfortable

[1:37:02] what I'm sorry trying it trying it keep

[1:37:04] it trying keeping it

[1:37:20] in

[1:37:36] any other discussion on

[1:37:37] this m you making notes or we have to go

[1:37:41] back you guys got totally confused go

[1:37:43] back and forth up and down in

[1:37:48] and just let me know

[1:37:53] you guys got to hurry up too my meds are

[1:37:55] starting to wear

[1:37:57] off how much longer I can sit here Mr

[1:38:00] Williams you have any more discussion on

[1:38:01] this with regard to I I did outline what

[1:38:04] I am suggesting that we keep and then

[1:38:07] you added this one here Moto equipment

[1:38:09] operator mechanic to keep that we did

[1:38:12] remove the um fleet manager prior

[1:38:16] discussion and M pfield you are

[1:38:19] suggesting that we adjust the street

[1:38:22] department manager to 10%

[1:38:26] yes but that

[1:38:29] 10% just fast calculation would be

[1:38:36] 10,351 so it saves under

[1:38:38] $4,000 excuse me it save under 4,000

[1:38:43] 3,664

[1:38:45] 3,649 but we have to keep the other

[1:38:47] position in because probably the guy's

[1:38:49] going to say the guy's going to say no

[1:38:52] probably I know we can't speak for

[1:38:54] them so so you got to put the other 88

[1:38:56] back in plus the benefits for the 88

[1:38:59] plus the

[1:39:00] race so I'd put both in the hund and

[1:39:04] whatever Plus the 88 so there's no

[1:39:07] savings it's extra

[1:39:10] money because you'd have to put both in

[1:39:12] then you'd be able to take it out

[1:39:13] afterwards when he if he says

[1:39:16] no Mr yeah please so if we're going to

[1:39:20] continue to keep calculating and I'll

[1:39:22] continue to keep saying that concessions

[1:39:24] need to be made in negotiation is the

[1:39:26] exchange of ideas and compromises after

[1:39:28] hearing all the information from Mr Lon

[1:39:31] understanding uh that there is a

[1:39:33] potential need potential cost savings

[1:39:35] based on the work after hearing Miss

[1:39:36] Porterfield identify her safety concerns

[1:39:39] I elected to make a concession yet again

[1:39:42] uh after hearing that this individual

[1:39:44] although there will be significant cost

[1:39:45] savings a raise is a raise so I think if

[1:39:49] this individual would like to make more

[1:39:50] money

[1:39:52] I think this is still important for him

[1:39:53] to reflect on the facts and yes he can

[1:39:55] still hear this conversation right now

[1:39:58] tonight and'll let to not proceed with

[1:40:00] this position U but that is a a risk

[1:40:03] analysis that we all have to make right

[1:40:05] now and I myself in the position I would

[1:40:07] take more

[1:40:11] money understand I don't

[1:40:14] get

[1:40:19] support

[1:40:23] he's supporting 100 he's supporting 1003

[1:40:26] or whatever you

[1:40:31] said you heard

[1:40:33] it so I'm just going to recap

[1:40:37] and make sure my my suggestion was some

[1:40:40] of the

[1:40:43] items ipst utilities admin we keep that

[1:40:48] IT specialist keep that the give antiv

[1:40:52] violent coordinator keep that free

[1:40:54] department manager we suggested to

[1:40:59] 10% the Sleep manager will already

[1:41:01] removed prior meeting we're keeping the

[1:41:05] Moto equipment operator

[1:41:07] mechanic and we're keeping the me all to

[1:41:12] position and the other two position are

[1:41:15] Grand

[1:41:16] funded Mr ferrrari

[1:41:19] so we're keeping

[1:41:24] for thir time is it Grand

[1:41:28] funding just like give anti so out of

[1:41:32] that page the only thing you're taking

[1:41:33] out is IPS

[1:41:40] foring Street depart

[1:41:44] manager the street manager you're just

[1:41:47] changing Street manager to, 351

[1:41:51] yes

[1:41:53] okay what happens if uh he does not

[1:41:56] accept that position that's why I'm

[1:41:58] saying that I think that you better put

[1:41:59] the other position back into the budget

[1:42:02] or I mean we're just going to have to

[1:42:03] make an amendment or something that's

[1:42:05] one I just want to be clear that we can

[1:42:08] always make anend you guys are

[1:42:09] suggesting this um and that yeah I mean

[1:42:13] it doesn't really make person refuse the

[1:42:15] position we can make budget

[1:42:19] appropriation

[1:42:23] we have done that in the

[1:42:25] past any other discussion on

[1:42:33] these hold on just for clearity on that

[1:42:35] though the the daylight between the kind

[1:42:37] of the two uh thoughts is really is is the difference between the 14% rise

[1:42:42] and the 10% race

[1:42:45] correct yes right okay cuz they I don't

[1:42:48] know it just started kind of sound

[1:42:49] framing it as if

[1:42:51] there was going to be we would have to

[1:42:54] add back in other position and then

[1:42:55] commit to fully funding that position so

[1:42:57] really the negotiation point right now

[1:43:00] is is 10 is 10% versus

[1:43:02] 14% corre yeah the proposal is to move

[1:43:05] forward funding this position of

[1:43:07] $3,051 and if the person refus the

[1:43:09] position then we'll do a budget

[1:43:11] amendment and to bring back the

[1:43:14] position F old position but it's not

[1:43:16] unlike other races that have been

[1:43:18] brought before us and we haven't given

[1:43:19] the f

[1:43:22] so again though it is I'm sorry no no no

[1:43:25] that's what I just want to say again

[1:43:26] we're not listening to the dep

[1:43:28] department head who is trying to do

[1:43:31] something that's going to make us more

[1:43:32] efficient so that's my last comment we

[1:43:34] don't really have I mean you

[1:43:36] know we're listening to that we're just

[1:43:38] saying that the amount that that's

[1:43:39] budgeted which is what we're doing

[1:43:40] budgeting is not the amount that you

[1:43:42] know just not that it's a budgeted that

[1:43:44] amount not saying that you shouldn't do

[1:43:46] that saying that that's not the amount

[1:43:47] of of raise that we want to get towards

[1:43:50] that

[1:43:51] well again let me reiterate my position

[1:43:53] because I'm the one that runs the

[1:43:55] day-to-day operations move the position

[1:43:57] back down to the four% raise and

[1:43:59] reinstate the other

[1:44:19] position

[1:44:22] was the position

[1:44:25] vacant that now he's taking that's

[1:44:27] already been a vacant

[1:44:29] position

[1:44:30] Mr it doesn't it was V okay so that so

[1:44:37] okay I just wanted to make sure it was a

[1:44:39] vacant position um so it's not like it's

[1:44:43] so it it could conceivably be on a list

[1:44:45] of vac position that we could remove

[1:44:49] conceivably

[1:44:58] I think can Mr leine clarify for us

[1:45:01] please oh yes the street manager

[1:45:03] position has always been in the budget

[1:45:04] for years that position would stay there

[1:45:08] yes and then the other budget has been

[1:45:10] it was only vated this year the solid

[1:45:13] waste director

[1:45:15] that keep that in the budget at

[1:45:18] 88,000 and then hold these manager jop

[1:45:21] the 4% and I'll try and fill a new Sol

[1:45:26] waste director adse and we're just

[1:45:29] assuming that the person would not

[1:45:30] accept the 4% as opposed to the 14 10% as opposed to the 14 because

[1:45:36] originally the way it was presented was

[1:45:38] only 4% it was a regards to finance way

[1:45:42] it was work oh but I can't speak for

[1:45:49] okay

[1:45:52] now next step you're going to clarify

[1:45:54] what on this yeah we'll go back and

[1:46:05] discuss are we okay to add that position

[1:46:11] back let for questions to

[1:46:16] everyone or we just go with the street

[1:46:18] department manager under

[1:46:21] 000 yes and if there's any adjustment we

[1:46:24] can always do a budget re appropriation

[1:46:28] yes and both of those positions have

[1:46:30] been filled one individual resigned when

[1:46:33] he had an unfortunate engagement with

[1:46:35] the local on enforcement and if you

[1:46:38] don't want to move the one up I'd ask

[1:46:40] that two positions be

[1:46:43] reestablished one's there and

[1:46:45] reestablish the other

[1:46:49] one

[1:46:53] do we have that on this list here that

[1:46:54] the May is talking about is that on this

[1:46:56] list excuse me is that on this list two

[1:47:01] position May saying add add the

[1:47:07] two Sol is on the list yes yes we do

[1:47:10] have those two

[1:47:18] positions stre dep

[1:47:29] Mr M yeah please mayor's requesting

[1:47:32] correct yes got

[1:47:34] [Music]

[1:47:49] you

[1:47:53] I'm okay to Mo

[1:47:55] hard discuss here on here unless there's

[1:47:59] no any other

[1:48:01] changes it's fine did you oh you have

[1:48:04] the vote so I'm

[1:48:13] against AG green on this sheet to move

[1:48:17] forward did you mean any of this

[1:48:21] I make enough notes but I don't know

[1:48:23] what what the results are I'm going to

[1:48:25] go back again just tell me to the ones

[1:48:27] that you're not what are you not uh

[1:48:30] funding the IPS it position okay that's

[1:48:35] the only

[1:48:36] one um the next one that we had already

[1:48:40] the fleet

[1:48:42] manager that's it is that correct um not

[1:48:48] everyone yes all our expert

[1:48:58] let's go back to the power and let's

[1:49:01] entertain Mr Williams and M

[1:49:06] changes regards to

[1:49:08] these so M Williams can you please go

[1:49:11] through your changes so that mrar can

[1:49:14] make note of it and then I would ask to

[1:49:17] go through the suggested changes and the

[1:49:20] same thing that

[1:49:22] Mr so for the first page it was the code

[1:49:26] enforcement officer the assistant to the

[1:49:29] city

[1:49:30] engineer are you we two code enforcement

[1:49:34] position are you saying just one one

[1:49:36] just

[1:49:37] one okay keep going down uh one

[1:49:40] assistant to the city engineer one

[1:49:42] Junior civil

[1:49:43] engineer one assistant Corporation

[1:49:47] counsel one Meo streets

[1:49:51] you got you got to uh keep up the Mr

[1:49:53] Ferrari's not telling me to stop please

[1:49:57] because we don't want to go back this

[1:49:58] again got you please and two Water

[1:50:06] Maintenance you want to take those

[1:50:09] out that's what he's listing

[1:50:12] wow what about water treatment what

[1:50:14] about the water treatment that was in

[1:50:16] your original one quot force

[1:50:18] moner uh one uh assistant to the city

[1:50:25] engineer right right

[1:50:29] uh one assistant corporate councel

[1:50:32] correct and one jior

[1:50:34] engineer

[1:50:38] okay how about the

[1:50:43] street and then I got two Water

[1:50:45] Maintenance workers

[1:50:49] correct

[1:50:52] treat

[1:50:55] instrumentation he

[1:50:57] said

[1:51:06] water it's actually

[1:51:11] half follow me that

[1:51:15] Eng well the uh junior civil engineer is

[1:51:18] already out already out

[1:51:21] the I would cut the civil engineer

[1:51:24] position I would leave the code

[1:51:26] enforcement I would leave The

[1:51:28] Corporation Council and

[1:51:31] M

[1:51:33] and the carpenter I would take out sewer

[1:51:36] and water at

[1:51:37] one one

[1:51:40] touch that's

[1:51:42] our what we need and uh quite frankly

[1:51:47] they're already under staffed

[1:51:51] so you saying remove the carpenter

[1:51:53] that's one

[1:51:55] yes my only Cuts would be the civil

[1:51:59] engineer and the uh

[1:52:07] Carpenter and the civil engineering

[1:52:10] should go into the fund for fee for

[1:52:13] services to hire so that they can do

[1:52:16] their

[1:52:18] work so you just sh Shifting the line

[1:52:33] correct that's okay property manager

[1:52:37] Carpenter so Mr P would you be in favor

[1:52:40] of removing the property management

[1:52:42] Carpenter and return one for the water

[1:52:45] maintenance

[1:52:46] workers I'm not cutting any of the water

[1:52:49] m maintenance workers I oppose that

[1:52:51] they're already under staff we need good

[1:52:53] water we need our sewage taken care of

[1:52:56] it's one of the most important functions

[1:52:58] in the

[1:53:04] city so I'd be in favor of the property

[1:53:08] management uh Carpenter being listed and

[1:53:10] returning the both Water Maintenance

[1:53:18] workers how any other

[1:53:26] discussion my position I'm going to

[1:53:28] agree with Mr Williams on the

[1:53:30] recommended change and some of the

[1:53:34] change on Mr parap the yours so I am

[1:53:37] okay with

[1:53:41] that any

[1:53:43] motion so you're okay with getting rid

[1:53:45] of code enforcement officer is what

[1:53:47] you're saying I just think it's

[1:53:49] interesting because I think our

[1:53:50] residents complain a lot I mean you know

[1:53:52] I think that those are the kinds of

[1:53:53] officers that we kind of need for some

[1:53:55] of the quality of life issues that we

[1:53:57] hear about all the time from

[1:53:59] residents okay a code enforcement

[1:54:02] officer I'm just saying you look over 20

[1:54:04] 21 22

[1:54:06] 23 the trend of the vacancies and that's

[1:54:09] try to address again I understand that

[1:54:12] it's been difficult to find staff but I

[1:54:14] do think that the department you know

[1:54:16] has needed the staff and again I go back

[1:54:18] to the fact that I think it was

[1:54:19] difficult during Co um for recruitment

[1:54:22] of different positions anticipating

[1:54:25] hiring one individual next week a couple

[1:54:29] other and on top of it it's also safety

[1:54:32] and revenue line absolutely but we have

[1:54:36] heard of applicants accepting and for

[1:54:39] other reasons resending so I would focus

[1:54:41] on the one fill

[1:54:47] first okay Mr far you have notes of

[1:54:51] those okay so we're looking at one uh

[1:54:54] code enforcement officer one assistant

[1:54:55] to the city

[1:54:57] engineer one assistant Corporation

[1:55:00] counsel and one Carpenter and we're

[1:55:02] going to keep the MEO streets that what

[1:55:05] we

[1:55:07] said we're going to keep the two water

[1:55:09] mainten guys I said I think got four

[1:55:12] water mainten guys

[1:55:14] right

[1:55:16] in instead of taking to away so only on

[1:55:20] we're uh go over one more time we're

[1:55:22] looking at uh one Court enforcement

[1:55:25] officer one assistant to the engineer

[1:55:28] one assistant Corporation

[1:55:32] councel and one

[1:55:37] Carpenter am I

[1:55:40] correct and one of Theos one what oh you said one any okay

[1:55:47] and N Street

[1:55:51] and you're taking out the carpenter

[1:55:53] aren't you I thought you were also

[1:55:55] taking out the civil engineer

[1:55:59] but oh that one was already out

[1:56:02] gotcha no the one that was out was the

[1:56:04] junor junior civil engineer but you I

[1:56:07] think suggested taking out the yes right

[1:56:09] yes okay so they didn't say that which

[1:56:12] one Junior civil engineer no the civil

[1:56:14] engineer civil

[1:56:16] engineer I don't know if you're still

[1:56:18] with that but I thought I heard you say

[1:56:20] I did say that and I said keep the other

[1:56:23] positions because they are necessary and

[1:56:26] I also said put the civil engineering

[1:56:28] money into a fund to use for the work

[1:56:32] that needs to be done fee for services

[1:56:34] so okay I I I I can agree to that so

[1:56:38] move the civil engineer one what is it

[1:56:40] the

[1:56:40] [Music]

[1:56:42] 80 but we need to find out first what is

[1:56:45] the amount that's

[1:56:47] necessary 93 3 6 plus the benefits right

[1:56:52] 65520 would you put those in for the

[1:56:54] fees for service as well yes I can agree to

[1:56:59] that in 2024 it's budget for 100,000 so

[1:57:02] you want to do

[1:57:05] 2023 I was oh I was just looking at what

[1:57:08] it has on this grid I don't know who put

[1:57:10] this together budgeted for 100,000 this

[1:57:12] year for the

[1:57:14] increase so these figures aren't

[1:57:16] actually what's in the budget the

[1:57:18] figures that are on the that was given

[1:57:20] to us tonight are not 23

[1:57:24] numbers these are not the 2023 numbers

[1:57:26] is what I'm saying these are the 2023

[1:57:28] numbers up to 2023 they are the 23

[1:57:30] numbers not the 24 numbers 24 numbers so

[1:57:33] which would you like to suggest keeping

[1:57:36] it whatever that 24 number is correct

[1:57:38] whatever the 24 number for that um civil

[1:57:41] engineer move that into the fees for

[1:57:43] service Ling salary and benefit yes

[1:57:47] whatever

[1:57:48] that all right so I think we this one

[1:57:50] added so we're in agreement for that so

[1:57:52] Mr Ferrari please make

[1:57:55] notes and that's going to go to uh fees for service under the engineering

[1:58:01] uh fees fees for service for

[1:58:04] engineering yes somebody's got to do the

[1:58:06] work H somebody's got to do the work so

[1:58:09] he's going to have to hire

[1:58:11] outside yeah

[1:58:13] that's I got a question about that

[1:58:16] though if if we're if we're moving it

[1:58:17] into the fees for service line Ember

[1:58:19] including the salary and the full

[1:58:20] benefits um what would be the purpose of

[1:58:24] that cuz that to me that wouldn't really

[1:58:27] um and in any cost savings it would just

[1:58:30] be a different vehicle and if we're

[1:58:33] going to spend the same money then I

[1:58:34] think that we should defer to uh the

[1:58:37] department head and that and and and do

[1:58:39] what's already in that now so yeah if

[1:58:42] we're going to do go that way

[1:58:44] right sense makes sense that's my

[1:58:48] suggestion

[1:58:51] any other comments to

[1:58:53] this so we ready to move forward with

[1:58:57] this just verifi information that you

[1:59:00] have and whatever was suggested you have

[1:59:03] those pretty

[1:59:05] sure I'm try so I don't think those were

[1:59:08] the two discussion that we held over

[1:59:10] from the last meeting unless we have

[1:59:11] other

[1:59:12] discussion um may I request that you um

[1:59:16] input these changes and come back to us

[1:59:19] let's see where we are oh I guess

[1:59:22] not right now yes yeah so so you're not

[1:59:27] going back to any of the other

[1:59:28] discussions because the two of you made

[1:59:31] those decisions the other evening about

[1:59:32] the overtime for example we're not going

[1:59:34] to revisit the that discussion well when

[1:59:36] we get the now oh okay the mayad

[1:59:40] mentioned that discussion with Chief

[1:59:42] Marino you want to address that now

[1:59:44] before they go and make changes or yeah

[1:59:46] sure absolutely yeah yeah sorry sorry

[1:59:48] for thanks yeah oh I think it's

[1:59:51] important to recognize that as a newer

[1:59:53] council member it's important for me to

[1:59:54] reference the uh Chiefs and maintain I

[1:59:57] think uh very open and uh I think

[2:00:00] effective lines of communication as I'm

[2:00:02] going through my second budget process

[2:00:04] it's important for me to to recognize

[2:00:06] the severity of the decisions that we

[2:00:07] make but also making sure that I'm

[2:00:09] functioning in line with what I uh

[2:00:11] campaigned on uh which is making sure

[2:00:13] that we have a Equitable budget and

[2:00:16] financial process uh definitely my

[2:00:19] conversations with both Chiefs I said

[2:00:21] that I would be opening open revisiting

[2:00:23] these conversations um but never was

[2:00:26] there any promises uh I am only one vote

[2:00:29] U but definitely as has happened

[2:00:31] frequently on the council I can make a

[2:00:33] decision and switch my mind at any point

[2:00:36] in time uh so definitely uh using every

[2:00:38] minute up until this moment uh I would

[2:00:41] say as of right now I am still

[2:00:43] functioning in my same stance that I had

[2:00:45] the night

[2:00:46] before which is cutting the cutting the

[2:00:49] over time I'd rather not get into

[2:00:51] semantics

[2:00:53] but well except we have a lot of people

[2:00:55] here so I just you know great and I

[2:00:57] appreciate individuals being present in

[2:00:59] our uh uh our process I hope that we

[2:01:02] have the same viewers night in and night

[2:01:04] out um but definitely as I had my

[2:01:06] thoughtful uh discussions with both

[2:01:08] Chief Marino and chief Clifford uh which

[2:01:10] I definitely very much value uh I have

[2:01:13] to sleep at night and the determination

[2:01:15] that I made is remaining in line with

[2:01:17] what I said

[2:01:18] originally

[2:01:20] go ahe please so by making these Cuts

[2:01:22] we're inherently developing a a deficit

[2:01:25] in the next year's budget first of all

[2:01:28] we're right around 1.9 Plus in overtime

[2:01:31] for the police budget um we have two

[2:01:35] major events coming up with the

[2:01:38] Christmas parade and stock Adon as well

[2:01:42] as both the Fire and Police Department

[2:01:44] this is the time of year where most of

[2:01:46] the overtime budget is used because

[2:01:49] people want to take time off in the

[2:01:51] holidays uh we're just creating a

[2:01:54] structural deficit by cutting these um

[2:01:57] especially when we're looking at hitting

[2:01:59] these targets and going Beyond um we're

[2:02:03] likely to hit 2.3 to 2.5 in the police

[2:02:08] over time if you calculate those in and

[2:02:11] the fire over time we are likely to uh

[2:02:15] be very close to that Target as well so

[2:02:19] cutting those just creates a structural

[2:02:20] deficit that's just not

[2:02:24] wise go ahead please well I also think

[2:02:26] since do since Chief U Marino and chief

[2:02:29] Clifford are here I personally would

[2:02:30] like to hear their thoughts about the

[2:02:33] cuts to the overtime budget but I also

[2:02:34] want to point out that I think at least

[2:02:36] in the fire department budget in the

[2:02:39] contract um we can't really eliminate

[2:02:42] the overtime figure that's in the budget

[2:02:44] as presented by the chief and the mayor

[2:02:46] because if we do we still have to fill

[2:02:49] those hours which are mandated through

[2:02:51] their contract and so we would end up

[2:02:53] paying for them

[2:02:55] anyway great and I would very much like

[2:02:58] to add that before both individuals

[2:03:00] speak which I think they have the which

[2:03:02] I would support want to hear from them

[2:03:03] also they have vacant positions that are

[2:03:05] open right now the mayor and his comment

[2:03:08] also highlighted that any vacancies that

[2:03:09] are unfilled members of those

[2:03:11] departments are able to utilize those

[2:03:13] funds the best needs of their

[2:03:14] departments after hearing both

[2:03:16] conversations with uh both Chiefs um

[2:03:19] there are strategic opportunities

[2:03:21] throughout the year to bring on new

[2:03:22] candidates new firefighters new police

[2:03:25] officers the expectation is to hire as

[2:03:27] many as possible but those are going to

[2:03:30] exist later in the year my

[2:03:32] recommendation and my position is

[2:03:33] utilizing those gaps until they hire if

[2:03:36] they hire to subsidize what we have uh

[2:03:39] not supported and then again if there is

[2:03:43] a need for more there's always an

[2:03:44] opportunity to amend the budget is that

[2:03:46] correct Mr Mur that is correct yes we

[2:03:48] always is we do that bud fre

[2:03:51] appropriation any that's using the money

[2:03:54] that's in there

[2:03:57] yes depending on how you structure the

[2:03:59] budget whether the money would be there

[2:04:01] or

[2:04:04] not so yes it's it's using money for

[2:04:07] positions that are not filled which is

[2:04:09] what as the mayor and also Mr Wallen

[2:04:11] told us that that's what they do within

[2:04:12] their Department if there's uh positions

[2:04:15] are not filled then and they need it

[2:04:17] they draw some those the money from

[2:04:19] there to fulfill for to pay for the

[2:04:22] positions are filled if if there's need

[2:04:24] for overtime uh in those lines so but

[2:04:27] you're just robbing Peter to pay Paul I

[2:04:30] mean and the reality is that I think all

[2:04:32] of us wish that we could hire to the

[2:04:35] empty positions right I mean we wish

[2:04:39] that but it's not happening and if it's

[2:04:41] Peter pay Paul is what's been being done

[2:04:45] it's not you know it's not something

[2:04:46] that we decided that you know to manag

[2:04:49] it that's how it's be

[2:04:52] managed so um

[2:04:55] Mr if you like to hear from Chief Marino

[2:04:59] and chief yes Chief Marino yes I just

[2:05:01] want to

[2:05:02] Echo I I'm sure you sent the email out

[2:05:05] to everyone that we sent to us and if

[2:05:07] you have read that email you will see

[2:05:08] that the bottom that the chief has made

[2:05:10] you know some pretty good remark in

[2:05:13] terms of the funding in his in his email

[2:05:16] go ahead

[2:05:17] please thank you for having me thank you

[2:05:21] to all the members that are here I

[2:05:23] apologize

[2:05:24] for that a fire at c stre um we didn't

[2:05:29] have a full compliment to go to to

[2:05:31] respond because there are other calls

[2:05:34] initially I notes on in front of me but

[2:05:36] initially there were three

[2:05:37] weeks let me tell if any of you were

[2:05:40] there you would have been extremely

[2:05:41] proud of every one of those people heavy

[2:05:44] fire in the Attic within minutes I

[2:05:47] thought we were going to lose two houses

[2:05:49] within minutes they were up in the attic

[2:05:51] and they extinguish that's great and

[2:05:54] they do that

[2:05:55] constantly also these gentlemen and

[2:05:58] ladies have been working for the last

[2:06:00] two years to

[2:06:01] fill the open spots you come to a time

[2:06:05] when they just can't do it anymore

[2:06:08] mentally physically we putting them at

[2:06:11] risk the overtime budget like I

[2:06:14] mentioned in the email it is what it is

[2:06:17] you could Finance it at million half or

[2:06:20] you can Finance it at

[2:06:22] 250,000 it's contractual we have to go

[2:06:25] up with 20 and I will not never with

[2:06:29] them at Jeopardy there are times I have

[2:06:32] to order back for fires there are times

[2:06:34] I have to order back for big events

[2:06:37] that's going to happen that's going to

[2:06:38] happen this long time to I'm not putting

[2:06:40] them in danger and

[2:06:43] when when that mind is a million and a

[2:06:46] half like I think it's going to be next

[2:06:47] year going knowing that it's just the

[2:06:50] way it

[2:06:51] is so to the point that we have some

[2:06:54] flop yeah okay there may be some fluff

[2:06:57] the Flop is not really fluff because

[2:07:00] what we're trying to do is take care of

[2:07:02] this problem that we have in hiring it's

[2:07:05] not that we haven't tried we've been

[2:07:06] trying uh you may have seen the

[2:07:08] Billboards that we've had you may have

[2:07:10] seen us all different kinds of EVS so we

[2:07:13] budgeted six knowing we'd have some

[2:07:17] money from people that retired not after

[2:07:20] a full year we have that and we're

[2:07:23] intend want to hire 14 if I have 14 good

[2:07:26] candidates that check all the boxes and

[2:07:29] they're capable people they going to

[2:07:30] make us all proud real

[2:07:32] hard but if you take that money to pay

[2:07:35] for the overtime that we're going to

[2:07:37] have I'm telling you we're going to have

[2:07:39] we're not going to correct this problem

[2:07:41] we have this problem's been coming for a

[2:07:43] long time we've tried to get in front of

[2:07:45] it doing the best we can things don't

[2:07:49] always happen the way we wanted to um

[2:07:52] I'll entertain any question you have but

[2:07:54] I got to say I've never been proud of

[2:07:56] the heart Department more than I am now

[2:07:59] all right

[2:08:00] [Applause]

[2:08:08] right thank you for the work yes any

[2:08:16] questions thank you Chief thank you

[2:08:19] Chief have question sorry so you said there's contractual

[2:08:27] that that amount over time has to be in

[2:08:28] there is that I'm sorry are you saying

[2:08:31] that there's a certain amount of time

[2:08:32] that must be in there we have a 20

[2:08:35] person minimum right every day we got to

[2:08:37] go off for with 20 I'm never walking

[2:08:40] into the mayor's office and saying mayor

[2:08:42] can't do it we have 18 because they're

[2:08:45] they just we haven't mandated anyone to

[2:08:48] they're credit there are other

[2:08:50] departments they're mandating like a

[2:08:51] wheel it's

[2:08:53] constant they've stepped up we have a

[2:08:56] mandate of one person ever especially in

[2:08:58] the last two last two years um so what

[2:09:02] I'm saying is with a 20 person and

[2:09:05] minimum

[2:09:07] staff and we have seven openings from

[2:09:12] reti one is I've said this one is um

[2:09:16] what's the ter very much and then I

[2:09:20] believe we

[2:09:21] have six or seven long time

[2:09:26] uh either injury or sicks so every day

[2:09:31] we're we're like 14 before we open the

[2:09:33] door 14 in the yep so that's why uh you

[2:09:38] know to 220 every day we're going to be

[2:09:41] at that number we spent ours making sure

[2:09:45] that our number was right we gave you a

[2:09:47] true and honest figure that that's where

[2:09:50] I think we're going to be and we talked

[2:09:52] about comp

[2:09:53] [Music]

[2:09:54] time contractually the members have the

[2:09:57] ability to have comp

[2:09:59] time if they all decided tomorrow hey

[2:10:02] you know what give me my comp time not a

[2:10:05] little bit all of it you know want to be

[2:10:08] and that's all

[2:10:09] contractual they haven't done it they're

[2:10:12] don't think they're going to it's not

[2:10:14] what they intend on but the number of

[2:10:16] million and a half could look like

[2:10:18] kids change if that was ever to

[2:10:21] happen

[2:10:31] [Music]

[2:10:33] than um so talking about the police

[2:10:35] overtime

[2:10:37] budget we have similar challenges at the

[2:10:39] fire department a little bit

[2:10:41] different we we don't have a minimum

[2:10:44] Staffing from the contractual end but we

[2:10:45] do have a minimum Staffing on a daily

[2:10:48] basis that we have to fill fortunately

[2:10:51] um we don't necessarily have to mandate

[2:10:54] as often as we have in the past but we

[2:10:57] still have the the possibility that we

[2:11:00] have to mandate

[2:11:02] officers um we do have a minimum

[2:11:04] Staffing level that we like to meet each

[2:11:06] night due to our staffing shortages

[2:11:09] we've been running short on that and yet

[2:11:11] we've still already reached 1.95 million

[2:11:14] in overtime if we had filled every

[2:11:17] position that we needed to fill we

[2:11:19] probably would be over 2 million at this

[2:11:21] point um closing in on a high 2 million

[2:11:24] range just on Staffing levels and this

[2:11:27] is before we even get to our proactive

[2:11:29] controls which we would like to

[2:11:31] do like speed enforcement quality of

[2:11:34] life issues possibly anti-me initiatives

[2:11:38] in Hotpot

[2:11:39] areas the way we've been able to keep

[2:11:42] our crime down um I you know compared to

[2:11:46] our neighboring cities is investing into

[2:11:49] our investigative unit we have uh 12

[2:11:52] officers 12 detectives on federal task

[2:11:55] forces doing an awesome job taking down

[2:11:57] the worst of the worst Defenders not

[2:11:59] only in the city but at the capital

[2:12:01] region level because you all know that

[2:12:03] they like to travel um you know but

[2:12:06] we've sacrificed having those extra

[2:12:07] positions in our Patrol level so we

[2:12:09] can't do what we would like to do and

[2:12:12] you know ultimately we're going to work

[2:12:13] within our budget um as I've explained

[2:12:16] to a couple council members we will stay

[2:12:19] our budget the best of our abilities it

[2:12:21] changes our strategy whether we are

[2:12:24] proactive on a daily basis or whether we

[2:12:27] are simply reactive to just Staffing the

[2:12:29] streets um and answer the calls for

[2:12:32] service on the investigation side um the

[2:12:37] there it's more like more like the fire

[2:12:39] department where it is what it is we

[2:12:41] have one case that I'm sure everybody in

[2:12:43] this room is aware of we've already

[2:12:45] spent $90,000 just this year on

[2:12:48] investigating that case and it's not

[2:12:49] even solved it so there are cases that

[2:12:52] sometimes just require the attention and

[2:12:54] we're never going to stop giving them

[2:12:56] the attention and then you just never

[2:12:58] know when the next big case is going to

[2:13:00] happen we've been fortunate if I knock

[2:13:02] on wood that our major cases have been

[2:13:05] down this year but you just never

[2:13:10] know

[2:13:12] questions go ahead please just follow to

[2:13:15] the chief's comments where the data out

[2:13:18] there we're seeing a drop in crime we're

[2:13:20] talking about the major crime part one

[2:13:22] crimes other the more serious element

[2:13:25] where we're being proactive and creating

[2:13:27] a high level of deterrence and actually

[2:13:29] have a fairly good closure

[2:13:31] rate on the other hand our calls

[2:13:34] for noise problems for speeding in other

[2:13:39] lower level events is actually going up

[2:13:43] and so to continue to have that good

[2:13:46] trend line so you're dealing with de

[2:13:48] with the most serious crimes but also

[2:13:50] deal with the community's needs and the

[2:13:52] evolving nature of uh what we're being

[2:13:54] requested to assist to you need the

[2:13:57] bodies and that cut you know that you

[2:14:00] have moved forward on you know it's

[2:14:02] about 18,000 man hours in the police and

[2:14:06] fire department and so you can't expect

[2:14:09] all those calls to be followed up on or

[2:14:11] dealt within a manner that makes us all

[2:14:13] look good when you've dropped $118,000

[2:14:16] up in in the budget that I've given you

[2:14:19] there are assumptions yes we're not

[2:14:20] going to fill all those positions but

[2:14:22] that money will be used to offset some

[2:14:25] of the overtime cost where these slots

[2:14:28] have to be backfilled with individuals

[2:14:31] in the police department we're having

[2:14:32] trouble getting people to come out

[2:14:34] sometimes for overtime I'd like to have

[2:14:36] some levels of Staffing at a higher

[2:14:38] level than we're going on in the street

[2:14:40] with on some nights and some

[2:14:43] ships go ahead please but I think so

[2:14:46] that the mayor's Point those two aspects

[2:14:48] of noise and speeding I think it's

[2:14:51] important to identify and i' would love

[2:14:52] to hear the perspectives of of any

[2:14:54] individual in this room uh throwing

[2:14:56] bodies at noise complaints has not

[2:15:00] solved any of those issues and

[2:15:01] complaints I think it's going to require

[2:15:03] a more strategic uh stance to address

[2:15:06] these issues that are frequently

[2:15:08] happening regarding regarding holiday

[2:15:10] seasons uh and to the the the issue of

[2:15:14] speeding we've thrown uh bodies at King

[2:15:18] road to be example and we are still

[2:15:20] hearing those individuals come to our

[2:15:21] Council meetings on a frequent basis uh

[2:15:24] unfortunately we have to make those

[2:15:26] difficult assessments of where else are

[2:15:27] we going to invest in besides overtime

[2:15:30] to address not only the immediacy of

[2:15:32] those issues but also the long-term

[2:15:34] effects because if we solve them today

[2:15:36] we frequently notice that they trans

[2:15:38] that they transition to other aspects of

[2:15:40] our community so my position here is

[2:15:43] challenging us to think outside of the

[2:15:44] box to bring into those circles uh more

[2:15:47] stakehold ERS to understand that

[2:15:49] expecting these departments to figure

[2:15:50] out these problems on their own is an

[2:15:52] old age philosophy we as a community

[2:15:55] need to work together to understand how

[2:15:57] do we incorporate our neighborhood

[2:15:58] associations how do we incorporate our

[2:16:00] schools who are also uh pushing for

[2:16:02] Community schooling narratives this has

[2:16:04] to be a joint effort and again I'm

[2:16:07] against throwing money at overtime to

[2:16:09] fix

[2:16:12] ite please I think

[2:16:14] that's I'm sorry but I do think that is just you this was a discussion

[2:16:20] the other evening too there's certainly

[2:16:22] long-term kinds of strategic planning

[2:16:26] that again I would say I would want our

[2:16:29] fire and our police to be looking at

[2:16:31] even more so than residents um because

[2:16:35] they have the expertise and the

[2:16:36] experience in helping to solve these

[2:16:38] things but we have immediate needs we

[2:16:41] have we have immediate needs whether

[2:16:44] it's fire or crime um or in the F in the

[2:16:47] case of fire the the emergency medical

[2:16:50] um calls that they go on so I'll throw

[2:16:52] that in along with the fire um you know

[2:16:56] I I understand that long term there's

[2:16:59] solutions that perhaps we can come up

[2:17:01] with but what do we do tomorrow and I

[2:17:04] just really maintain that I feel that

[2:17:08] this will increase crime and I think

[2:17:11] this is not the time to be trying to

[2:17:12] increase crime especially violent crime

[2:17:15] I think that the way that we've been

[2:17:16] successful on um over the last you know

[2:17:20] couple of years we need to respect that

[2:17:22] and and and and try to continue working

[2:17:26] day by day um and yes at the same time

[2:17:30] we have longer term strategies like you

[2:17:33] mentioned the other day you know sending

[2:17:35] folks into classrooms to talk to kids

[2:17:37] and building trust between Youth and and

[2:17:40] our officers those are great I mean I

[2:17:42] think all of us are really in favor of

[2:17:44] all those strategies that have been put

[2:17:45] into place especially around community

[2:17:47] releasing but it ain't going to solve

[2:17:50] crime

[2:17:54] tomorrow sorry please i' just like to

[2:17:58] congratulate um both Chiefs on the

[2:18:00] community engagement with all your

[2:18:02] officers um that are out there at

[2:18:04] neighborhood meetings at STS um in

[2:18:07] schools things like that and again I I

[2:18:09] will agree with Miss Patrick I mean

[2:18:10] there's just issues that need to be

[2:18:12] addressed on a daily basis here and I

[2:18:14] wouldn't want any of the residents of

[2:18:15] the city's connec to suffer

[2:18:18] um whether it's going to a fire or or

[2:18:20] having a police uh call responding to my

[2:18:24] residents uh if someone's trying to

[2:18:26] break the door in or things like that so

[2:18:29] I mean this is something that just needs

[2:18:30] to be addressed and it needs to be

[2:18:32] funded it doesn't need we don't need to

[2:18:34] cut the funding I

[2:18:36] agree Mr M oh please sorry so Chief

[2:18:39] could you please speak to um like the

[2:18:42] various you've come to us several times

[2:18:44] then with technology in in that

[2:18:48] conversation it's been like this is

[2:18:50] going to cut back um um police need to

[2:18:53] be in um off the street because they're

[2:18:57] doing what paperwork so and that there

[2:18:59] would be some cost savings that was the

[2:19:01] that was what we've been hearing so I

[2:19:03] would like you speak to that and also to

[2:19:05] the give Grant um the most recent that we saw the um the amount was like

[2:19:10] 418,000 but in the budget that the line

[2:19:13] we're seeing is a little bit lower than

[2:19:15] that so

[2:19:19] two where where where are you seeing

[2:19:21] less is it in the revenue side or I

[2:19:24] think that

[2:19:25] um that's that's probably more an

[2:19:27] accounting thing I would I'd have to ask

[2:19:30] the finance is that is it showing more

[2:19:33] because part of it is salaries and the

[2:19:35] other part is reimbursable overtime

[2:19:37] possibly I think I think it's because it

[2:19:39] runs in between years we looking for

[2:19:41] 2024 I think it goes into 2025 okay it

[2:19:44] does start in July so we're we're just

[2:19:48] looking at you know for the year we're

[2:19:50] not putting the whole amount in because

[2:19:52] the whole amount is not 202 so you got

[2:19:54] half of

[2:20:00] last and then then as far as as far as

[2:20:03] the technology um helping us to become

[2:20:05] more efficient yeah I stand by that and

[2:20:08] it's going to it's just that it's not

[2:20:10] something that's going to happen

[2:20:11] tomorrow these are these are these are

[2:20:13] investments me if you're taking in terms

[2:20:15] of building a house technology inv or

[2:20:17] the foundation that we're building upon

[2:20:19] you know at some point we have a real

[2:20:22] time operations center that we're

[2:20:23] building out that we hope that we could

[2:20:25] use one person sitting in this Operation

[2:20:29] Center to send the Drone out to turn

[2:20:31] down loud music so we don't have to send

[2:20:32] personnel there um we want to use the technology given the body more

[2:20:38] cameras so that we can have supervision

[2:20:40] over officers from the police station

[2:20:43] and the ability to do quality control

[2:20:45] better on them so we we have a more

[2:20:49] efficient and a um you know a more

[2:20:52] professional Police Department that's

[2:20:53] those are the invest Investments That

[2:20:55] remaining Patrol finder once we get that

[2:20:57] up and running it's going to help

[2:20:59] officers um while they're driving down

[2:21:01] the street know there's a call waiting

[2:21:03] so they don't have to take more time to

[2:21:05] drive across town to get to a call so

[2:21:09] but we we just our deployment these these take time to roll out um the

[2:21:16] Axon one year so far it's going good I

[2:21:19] can start seeing that next year we're

[2:21:21] going to start having you know more and

[2:21:23] more that becomes more efficient see

[2:21:26] it's fair to say that we're already

[2:21:27] seeing some savings by not having to

[2:21:29] bring officers in on overtime to train

[2:21:32] them we're training on Shi now so that's

[2:21:35] one savings but we're not there yet

[2:21:37] where we can completely eliminate uh a

[2:21:40] whole Training Day by using virtual

[2:21:42] reality but perhaps next year or the

[2:21:44] year after my training Sergeant will be

[2:21:46] like we can this day doing sh so that's

[2:21:50] where we're going

[2:21:51] with as you know and I know it's been

[2:21:54] this is like an ongo every year we we

[2:21:56] have similar discuss around over time

[2:21:58] yes

[2:22:00] so I was hoping like as we as the years

[2:22:03] progress we would be seeing those

[2:22:05] reductions in over time and we're not so

[2:22:07] you know that's all that we're doing to

[2:22:11] increase technology and increase

[2:22:13] efficiencies but you know every year for

[2:22:16] 10 years remember we've been having this

[2:22:18] discussion so I think on our end the

[2:22:20] biggest driver of overtime right now is the lack of Staffing lack of ability

[2:22:24] to put those loops on the ground today

[2:22:27] we had five officers come Staffing so

[2:22:30] that's a milestone for us now five

[2:22:33] bodies can count as Staffing so that we

[2:22:35] won't now have another eight bodies for

[2:22:37] Staffing until um I think that we're

[2:22:41] talking about May of next year so once

[2:22:43] we get to that comp full compliment of

[2:22:46] Staffing no give or take five bodies

[2:22:48] we've always been fluctuating all five

[2:22:51] that's where we'll start to see it

[2:22:53] stabilized but it's been four years

[2:22:55] since it's it's been in flux so we we

[2:22:58] were close um right before the pandemic

[2:23:02] but set us back not ler those n we to

[2:23:05] catch up okay the thought process I'm

[2:23:08] hearing from from my colleagues is that

[2:23:11] those positions that are not being

[2:23:12] filled is where you can then pull from

[2:23:14] that pay over time that's what I'm

[2:23:16] interested

[2:23:18] that well

[2:23:21] we I put the number of 15 now as a good

[2:23:23] number it's somewhere between 13 and 15

[2:23:26] based on two people retire next year

[2:23:28] let's go with 15 all those 15 I hope to

[2:23:31] five for January so so so that will only

[2:23:34] leave 10 positions and of those 10 we're

[2:23:37] hoping to hire them in July at the

[2:23:39] latest so that would be basically half

[2:23:42] of a year salary for those 10 and it's

[2:23:45] at the Academy rate so it's U step one

[2:23:48] so it's um it's it's a little bit of

[2:23:51] money it's not a lot and I

[2:23:55] be

[2:24:03] thatat putting on a

[2:24:11] spot any other question for

[2:24:16] the

[2:24:17] no I was just G to say the

[2:24:22] same all right thank you Chief thank

[2:24:27] [Applause]

[2:24:41] you

[2:24:44] so can we have those change excuse me

[2:24:47] can we have you input those changes and

[2:24:49] bring back to us to see where we

[2:24:51] are you know you know this is mostly our

[2:24:54] general fund we haven't even started

[2:24:56] talking about the SE water fund I just

[2:24:58] want to remind you

[2:25:04] guys so we taking a little break

[2:25:15] yes

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[3:57:07] sure

[3:57:13] I just want to add one thing uh it's

[3:57:16] talk to I to Mar Maran

[3:57:20] and John I'm that the carpenter that we

[3:57:24] arged all that time for we had already

[3:57:26] Tak it out of the

[3:57:31] budget we search to find that for we

[3:57:34] couldn't find them we realizing come out

[3:57:36] he was budgeted in 23

[3:58:02] not4 to sa some

[3:58:04] paper you

[3:58:07] gotop real from the other side need

[3:58:10] water no water

[3:58:16] and all right all right everybody has a

[3:58:18] copy everybody has pass review we can go

[3:58:21] with um general

[3:58:25] fund the difference is showing here is

[3:58:29] zero the changes that was proposed and

[3:58:32] the

[3:58:34] adjustment zero itself

[3:58:37] out

[3:58:40] for the the changes um regards to the AL

[3:58:45] funding Z wait wait I'm not

[3:58:47] understanding what you're

[3:58:49] saying excuse

[3:58:54] me7 oh no no no you have the wrong

[3:58:58] that's my my

[3:59:02] little this is what we just got

[3:59:05] handed he said that was a note in his

[3:59:07] head so you should have it out showing

[3:59:10] where the difference

[3:59:12] is so what we doing is uh the figures

[3:59:16] from both the the additions and

[3:59:20] subtractions come to 1.5 million and

[3:59:22] benefits add up to two

[3:59:25] 222,000 gives us the uh the reduction in

[3:59:28] general fund expenses of mil

[3:59:31] 73299 which is the same of the revenues

[3:59:34] for the refuse 1,

[3:59:37] 73299

[3:59:44] so I'm sorry but what you're saying is

[3:59:47] if we bring in the fees as suggested in

[3:59:50] the mayor's

[3:59:51] budget no okay then please repeat what

[3:59:54] you're trying to say total revenues in

[3:59:57] the mayor's budget is 111 mil

[4:00:00] 86,4 120 city council they would not ra

[4:00:05] okay they changed the mayor's proposal

[4:00:08] um and they uh reduced the re revenues

[4:00:12] by 1,

[4:00:15] 73299 fuse Chang so that brought the

[4:00:19] budget to 109,000 109 milon

[4:00:23] 35343 and to make it up they have all

[4:00:25] these different changes we added some

[4:00:28] salaries subtracted salaries and

[4:00:30] different things and plus benefits uh to

[4:00:33] come up the amount uh equal to 1, 73299

[4:00:38] so revenues are reduced by 1.7 million

[4:00:41] and tempatures are also reduced by that

[4:00:45] amount that was from the last two

[4:00:48] nights Mr M yeah please so I think that

[4:00:53] uh just I'm looking at some of the

[4:00:56] differences that we're seeing here um

[4:00:59] and I'm going to be honest to say I

[4:01:00] don't know how much um of this is driven

[4:01:03] in in in policy or how much of this is

[4:01:07] some level which I feel is presentent of

[4:01:09] some political posture in here and I

[4:01:11] don't think that we're as far away as we

[4:01:15] might think that we are but I think that

[4:01:18] based on some information um that that we heard here tonight I would like

[4:01:24] to strongly suggest that we

[4:01:28] recess and um take some time to to uh

[4:01:31] reflect and digest on some of the

[4:01:33] information that we heard tonight and

[4:01:35] both from um uh department heads and um

[4:01:39] from our colleagues I think that that

[4:01:40] would be a good uh course of action I

[4:01:42] think that that will give us a little

[4:01:44] more um uh time to reflect and really

[4:01:48] digest what we heard tonight and I think

[4:01:49] that we can um get a little closer than

[4:01:53] what we are that was just that' be my

[4:01:56] strong

[4:01:58] suggestion came up with that

[4:02:07] two control when I get these brilliant

[4:02:09] ideas I just which is

[4:02:12] brilliant thank you so

[4:02:14] Mr you

[4:02:23] this that's my that's my strong

[4:02:25] suggestions that we have yeah understand

[4:02:30] can we just pull that out a little and

[4:02:32] that's Mr we just walk us through

[4:02:35] regards to this the water okay let's

[4:02:37] start with

[4:02:39] and then we'll come back to Mr okay

[4:02:42] sure

[4:02:44] discussion again the city council for

[4:02:47] some reason does not want to raise rates

[4:02:49] so we're cutting back uh the rates by

[4:02:51] you know uh

[4:02:55] 25239 773 so they don't raise rates um

[4:03:00] and to fund that the uh city council has

[4:03:06] wants us to use funds of 2.5 million and

[4:03:10] the appropriated fund balance of 23,000

[4:03:13] to uh offset that

[4:03:19] Gap I mean I think go ahead please I

[4:03:22] have to clarify I'm just going to

[4:03:24] continue repeating it that it's not the

[4:03:26] council that is necessarily suggesting

[4:03:29] it that the some members of the council

[4:03:31] so I just want to continue to be on the

[4:03:33] record for in that in that language

[4:03:36] majority Finance I totally get that I

[4:03:39] just don't want to be lumped in there so

[4:03:42] make it easy so go the next B um there

[4:03:46] was nothing done

[4:03:49] on water there was nothing done on the

[4:03:52] water side on the water side we have a

[4:03:55] short of

[4:03:56] 88347 and again I wish that uh everybody

[4:04:01] take a look at uh the amount of rate

[4:04:04] increase which I don't think is

[4:04:05] substantial uh 16 bucks

[4:04:08] year 1625 a

[4:04:12] year uh with with offset that

[4:04:15] cost so if we break that down what's

[4:04:19] that come to 16

[4:04:22] 1625 1626 a year for the water increase

[4:04:26] rate per day looking at

[4:04:30] 044 so 4.4 cents a day increase and

[4:04:34] what's it for a month uh for a month

[4:04:41] $16.26 divided by

[4:04:47] 12

[4:04:59] 35 at the increases waste water Sil $168

[4:05:05] 46 for the year that is

[4:05:08] 242 c a day how much a month uh $14 a

[4:05:13] month as for increasing

[4:05:16] all which probably could have went home

[4:05:31] Wednesday going back to okay so going

[4:05:34] back to Mr Farley's um suggestion

[4:05:39] what

[4:05:44] are I'd like to see this carry out

[4:05:47] tonight as far as the capital and the

[4:05:49] water store and

[4:05:57] absolutely

[4:05:58] there I think if you want participation

[4:06:02] and you want the public to know what's

[4:06:03] going on we reconvene

[4:06:06] Monday

[4:06:13] one other comment just on the general

[4:06:15] fund want to engage in public discussion

[4:06:21] I ask the council my budget is

[4:06:24] not include any specific money to settle

[4:06:28] the PBA

[4:06:30] contract we haven't entered into formal

[4:06:33] negotiations but again I asked the

[4:06:35] council members and nobody has responded

[4:06:38] you know what numbers you feel

[4:06:42] comfortable

[4:06:44] in giving me the authority to move

[4:06:47] forward with that their contract uh the

[4:06:51] local 28 of the fire department is

[4:06:53] included in the budget I submitted to

[4:06:55] you PBA contract expires December 31st

[4:06:59] of this year and

[4:07:01] we're uh setting up the first meetings

[4:07:05] now and that even at low

[4:07:09] percentages has significant

[4:07:21] impact I'm not looking for public

[4:07:23] comment

[4:07:27] on you got to tell me you want me to put

[4:07:30] a zero on the table

[4:07:36] put some number there that

[4:07:40] uh consistent with what we're doing

[4:07:43] across the board with the rest of the

[4:07:48] workforce M Williams I put finance

[4:07:52] committee regards to Mr Harley's

[4:07:55] suggestion what is your talk on

[4:07:59] that there's uh been a lot of discussion

[4:08:02] here tonight uh definitely I'm not the

[4:08:04] one to to make irrational decisions and

[4:08:06] I always appreciate having more to just

[4:08:08] gather my thoughts uh all the comments

[4:08:10] I've had with our departments and then

[4:08:12] reevaluating where we currently are I

[4:08:14] definitely feel like we're getting

[4:08:15] closer uh I would absolutely appreciate

[4:08:19] having a recess to Mr Pal's Point uh

[4:08:22] Monday is a council meeting and although

[4:08:25] I don't know the timeline for having our

[4:08:28] next meeting uh I definitely always

[4:08:30] welcome uh input from our community so I

[4:08:33] don't know when our next meeting we'll

[4:08:35] be able to reconvene but I would

[4:08:36] entertain and recess

[4:08:40] yeah I'm not I'm not available Monday

[4:08:41] until like after 6 or so

[4:08:44] 6:30 almost ready for 7 o' meeting

[4:08:47] Monday your suggestion is to vote on the

[4:08:52] budget on

[4:08:54] Monday reconvene the finance the finance

[4:08:57] Comm and ideally vote at the council

[4:09:01] meeting so you do that we have to budget

[4:09:04] a little bit of time because the staff's

[4:09:06] going to have

[4:09:08] repair the ordinance and related

[4:09:13] paperwork so I would then I would

[4:09:15] recommend that we just if we're going to

[4:09:17] do that then we do on Tuesday and then

[4:09:18] call another special counsil

[4:09:20] meeting because we're not going to have

[4:09:22] time it's like I um it doesn't youan

[4:09:24] know what my thoughts were but tonight I

[4:09:26] didn't really not expect to be here this

[4:09:28] long so I don't want to I didn't

[4:09:31] wow um so I I don't want us to like push

[4:09:35] forward um on that so um so that's where I need that and

[4:09:43] um Mr chairman again well it is the

[4:09:46] weekend if people have questions or

[4:09:48] ideas reach out to me

[4:09:52] or Derek or Anthony

[4:09:55] and try and accommodate you in the the

[4:09:58] best way uh in terms of uh getting

[4:10:01] information or scenarios that you'd like

[4:10:04] explored or uh analyzed no and I have to

[4:10:08] say I've been getting a good response

[4:10:10] from anony and in terms of answering

[4:10:12] questions to members I don't think any

[4:10:14] question has been out standing they get

[4:10:16] it they will ask and I you know re ask

[4:10:18] make sure I looked at the question and

[4:10:19] submit it and they have been very good

[4:10:22] in providing that to us so I than you

[4:10:25] doing that for us so I can't be here

[4:10:28] Tuesday night um but I do want to say

[4:10:31] that I would be um in a similar

[4:10:34] situation as Mr Toro and I'd rather just

[4:10:36] keep going going and I understand what

[4:10:38] you're saying but I do think

[4:10:41] that I think that I don't think we're

[4:10:44] going to change our

[4:10:46] mind I don't know I don't know I mean we can still talk it all out but

[4:10:51] um I I think that we could talk it out

[4:10:54] tonight and see how people

[4:10:57] feel but you're something other people

[4:10:59] won't change their

[4:11:00] mind well I I would love it if other

[4:11:03] people would change their minds you just

[4:11:04] made that assumption yeah yeah y but

[4:11:07] then one way or the other whether we

[4:11:08] talk about it on Monday at

[4:11:10] 6:30 before our 7:00 meeting or if we

[4:11:14] talk about it this evening I still I I

[4:11:17] guess what I'm saying is let's talk it

[4:11:18] out and see if we

[4:11:21] can what I heard Mr Mr say he want to

[4:11:25] digest information

[4:11:26] that's and I and I just I mean I I think

[4:11:30] we're in

[4:11:31] a I think we'll be in a much better um situ ation uh with the short ACC to

[4:11:41] do that's my that's

[4:11:45] my M I know we had some speaker here

[4:11:49] tonight is that

[4:11:50] what Recons the chief Z contribution

[4:11:54] tonight is that what I'm trying I'm not

[4:11:55] putting yeah no no absolutely yes I I I

[4:11:58] F I'd like to uh Factor what we and I

[4:12:00] think that we all are compell to factor

[4:12:02] in what we heard today from um our fire

[4:12:05] chief and our chief of police I think

[4:12:06] that that that definitely a major factor

[4:12:09] and what I'd like to uh kind of reflect

[4:12:11] upon and as well as um some of the

[4:12:13] insights that I've heard from my

[4:12:14] colleagues here and I think that um

[4:12:17] quite honestly we know we're being real

[4:12:19] we know that there is a level of um some

[4:12:22] POS some political posturing that's

[4:12:24] happening and I think that a a recess

[4:12:26] will allow us to kind of bring some of

[4:12:28] that down and then I think that

[4:12:30] collectively uh make a more uh informed

[4:12:34] decision so I feel strongly about that

[4:12:37] just based on um what my experience has

[4:12:40] been thus

[4:12:42] far um so on Monday what I mean what

[4:12:45] time would we conven Finance oh Tuesday

[4:12:49] said he can't oh okay no you said you

[4:12:52] can come

[4:12:53] Monday yes I can be after almost right

[4:12:56] till 7 o' meeting you're you're going to

[4:12:58] be I am going to be close to 7 o' oh

[4:13:01] right he's saying you can't convene a

[4:13:04] budget meeting ahead yeah well I mean

[4:13:07] all you need is finance

[4:13:10] committee because I I'm not going to be

[4:13:13] here Tuesday but um I mean if you wanted

[4:13:16] to do a different day or

[4:13:18] time I I would be able to be flexible

[4:13:20] about that but

[4:13:22] Tuesday I have a another

[4:13:26] meeting well you can't be flexible at

[4:13:28] all because I mean a lot of us have made

[4:13:30] accommodations for Friday

[4:13:33] meetings there's no way I have look I've

[4:13:37] been all the meetings here and put

[4:13:40] everything in I try to be here to make

[4:13:41] sure that I wasn't expected to go

[4:13:49] for

[4:13:56] be but again you don't need I me you

[4:13:58] don't need me at the table you all know

[4:14:01] how I feel I mean we've kind of talked

[4:14:03] this out for hours and hours and

[4:14:06] hours you taken off the table you might

[4:14:08] have an

[4:14:09] epiphany I I have digested the St and I

[4:14:14] talked to the Chiefs that I've you know

[4:14:15] read and I've spent hours going through

[4:14:19] this I mean over and over and over again

[4:14:21] um I know I can appreciate you being I'm pretty settled in your position and and if that's the case then right

[4:14:28] then then you would need to attend and I

[4:14:30] think that's okay I don't have a vote I

[4:14:31] mean well NE but however yeah I still I

[4:14:35] can appreciate your position man so are

[4:14:38] we going to um reconvene Tuesday

[4:14:42] that's I'm here for

[4:14:44] that how long do you anticipate the

[4:14:47] council meeting on Monday night it's

[4:14:49] fairly

[4:14:51] short maybe spend an hour after the

[4:14:54] council meeting and then have like a

[4:14:56] special meeting after that to

[4:15:01] vote you could recess that council

[4:15:04] meeting you wouldn't have to have a uh

[4:15:07] special

[4:15:10] meeting and oh the res say and then vote

[4:15:13] after that is that what you say or even

[4:15:15] if you called the meeting Tuesday or

[4:15:17] Wednesday whatever day all

[4:15:22] right he could do Tuesday he couldn't do

[4:15:24] Monday so

[4:15:27] um you can be at Monday's 7 o'

[4:15:33] meeting

[4:15:36] and stay up until 11 o'cl on

[4:15:40] Monday I was suggesting an hour the

[4:15:44] meeting have generally been going fairly

[4:15:49] quickly I don't think

[4:15:52] there's any item on the agenda that

[4:15:55] should evoke a lot of controversy or

[4:15:57] discussion so move that meeting forward

[4:16:00] and well we don't know that I know just

[4:16:04] it's my wishful thinking I mean Mr

[4:16:08] Farley's Epiphany will cross the

[4:16:11] community so we may have a lot of people

[4:16:14] that come and speak about the budget and

[4:16:15] that's going to take us over so even

[4:16:18] though no one came to the public hearing

[4:16:19] now they have a lot more information

[4:16:21] which is really a good thing so is

[4:16:24] anybody besides me and M Doro interested

[4:16:27] in trying to do this

[4:16:28] tonight and if not can we do it

[4:16:30] Wednesday so that Patrick and

[4:16:33] unforunately be my

[4:16:35] father

[4:16:38] Thursday's the yeah so we're back to

[4:16:47] Tuesday actually doesn't have to be

[4:16:49] adopted until the

[4:16:51] first reconvene on Halloween or actually

[4:16:55] on the

[4:17:01] 1 put you under some pressure

[4:17:05] has

[4:17:13] [Music]

[4:17:15] lot of but we've always done it well I

[4:17:19] say there were times when we got into

[4:17:20] fights and it went into

[4:17:22] December but it's always been done by

[4:17:26] the last day of October in recent time

[4:17:29] but the charter says by November 1st so

[4:17:31] I think if you adopt it on November 1st

[4:17:33] you're in

[4:17:35] compliance

[4:17:38] whether or not we want to

[4:17:45] wait yeah well my position is clear end

[4:17:49] up doing a

[4:17:51] dance how come good Tuesday okay I'm

[4:17:54] good

[4:17:55] Tuesday Tuesday Tuesday I I can make it

[4:17:59] on

[4:18:00] Tuesday Tuesday is not great but so no

[4:18:03] one else to do it tonight no

[4:18:07] good I've made plenty of accommodations

[4:18:10] so far so it's disappointing can't

[4:18:13] be I have been here every single meeting

[4:18:16] any

[4:18:17] abent and I have been from starting to

[4:18:20] ending every meeting this be sacrifice

[4:18:24] people walk away from meeting people

[4:18:25] attend meeting I'm here all the meetings

[4:18:29] sacrifice so Tuesday it is then so

[4:18:34] okay we'll move to fin commot

[4:18:41] toess a motion to recess the finance

[4:18:43] committee to chose 5 p.m but I I still

[4:18:48] have to call the special city council me

[4:18:50] to words to say there is no budget and

[4:18:52] then so it becomes your prerogative you

[4:18:56] could recess this is ridiculous a city

[4:18:59] meeting on

[4:19:01] Monday I have Tuesday Wednesday whatever

[4:19:04] day okay then I'll do that

[4:19:12] you have a

[4:19:16] motioning

[4:19:19] second second I'm G to Second all in

[4:19:25] favor I I do want to I have to go on the

[4:19:28] record as saying I will be shocked if

[4:19:30] you all change your if anybody changes

[4:19:32] their their viewpoints I appreciate what

[4:19:34] you're trying to suggest but um I don't

[4:19:38] I know I wasn't politically postering I

[4:19:41] didn't say you were I know I know you know I don't Mi words either so we

[4:19:44] know

[4:20:04] that toj

[4:20:13] all right one second please Council MERS

[4:20:15] council

[4:20:16] members our Corporation Council says

[4:20:19] that I should call the council members

[4:20:21] our Corporation Council so need to call

[4:20:23] the special meeting to order and then

[4:20:25] say that we're going to have a special

[4:20:27] meeting have a speci meting Tuesday so

[4:20:29] I'd like to call to order of special

[4:20:31] council meeting for Friday October 20th

[4:20:34] 2023 roll call

[4:20:37] I want a roll call that you're here I

[4:20:39] want a roll call on that vote about

[4:20:41] there's no vote there's no vote to to to

[4:20:43] have a special meeting you don't have to

[4:20:45] vote any one member can call a special

[4:20:47] meeting no this is because we have

[4:20:50] called a special meeting for this

[4:20:51] afterno we can't just walk away from

[4:20:54] meeting so we just have to call it close

[4:20:55] it and then we going to recess Monday

[4:20:59] and then reconvene so we weren't able to

[4:21:01] pass the budget today so therefore we

[4:21:03] will not have a special meeting tonight

[4:21:05] so I motion to Adin special

[4:21:09] meeting all in

[4:21:11] favor thank

[4:21:14] you I thought you were calling for a

[4:21:16] special meeting on Tuesday I thought

[4:21:20] that's well did you just vote on

[4:21:28] that no I know but how do we how do we

[4:21:31] don't have to officially do anything

[4:21:32] about

[4:21:35] Tuesday

[4:21:39] so Monday

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[4:21:49] 11 what is What is

[4:22:05] the

[4:22:32] we would recess have Finance

[4:22:35] meeting

[4:23:05] Rec

Schenectady 2024 Budget Meeting, October 20, 2023

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