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[3:55] I'd like to call to order the San city

[3:57] council committee meeting for Monday

[3:59] November 6

[4:00] 2023 our first um committee is Public

[4:04] Safety Mr Williams I'd like to call the

[4:05] Public Safety Committee to order we have

[4:07] three items on the agenda tonight first

[4:09] of which is the Edward burn Memorial

[4:11] Justice assistance grant formul program

[4:13] local solicitation fiscal year 2023

[4:16] that'll be discussed

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[4:24] by good evening good evening I'm here to

[4:28] present two different grants uh from the

[4:30] Department of Justice the first one is

[4:32] the Jag Grant which is in conjunction

[4:34] with the uh scy County DA's office we

[4:37] are looking for you guys to accept

[4:46] $23,170 for our Patrol officers and

[4:49] there is zero match involved with this

[4:50] grant thank Chief any questions or

[4:54] comments move those all in favor and the

[4:58] second item is the dyj fiscal year 2023

[5:02] both through best partnership

[5:04] Grant uh this one we asking that you

[5:06] accept $

[5:08] 34844 42 towards the purchase of new

[5:11] vests um that is towards 52 total vests

[5:15] this is 50% of the cost of the vest well

[5:19] for our um existing officers every 5

[5:22] years we replace and then anytime we

[5:24] have a new officer this goes half of

[5:27] that and the New York State reimburses

[5:29] for the other half as well and so that'

[5:32] be the 50% match any questions or

[5:36] comments so it's already with within the

[5:38] operational budget you're saying the our

[5:40] bch yes thank you any other questions or

[5:43] comments those second all in favor I

[5:47] thank you Chief thank you uh the last item is a discussion replacing

[5:52] current traffic signals um excited to

[5:55] have this brought back uh definitely it

[5:57] sounded as if the actions were being

[5:59] taken already uh to discuss this

[6:01] intersection and I believe Mr CIO or Mr

[6:04] Wallen one of us is

[6:10] here be able to some context of what's

[6:13] been happening behind the scenes sure so

[6:15] um actually councilman Doro uh several

[6:18] months ago brought to our attention um a

[6:21] request to potentially add a left turn

[6:24] uh on Eerie Boulevard going Southbound

[6:27] at Union Street um at the time

[6:30] we told her that this had been something

[6:32] that had been discussed several times in

[6:34] the past um along with the intersection

[6:37] of state and eie potentially putting the

[6:40] left turn there as well in the same

[6:42] direction

[6:44] um past uh traffic studies that were

[6:48] performed um showed that there was

[6:50] potentially um large buildup of traffic

[6:55] um that would um reduce the level of

[6:58] service of the intersection because if

[7:00] you add any kind of movement you have to

[7:03] have a certain amount of time for that

[7:05] movement right so that could you know

[7:06] although it's based on the traffic

[7:08] volumes um um the minimal numbers are

[7:11] probably between 10 and 15 seconds that

[7:14] we have to add to the cycle length so um

[7:17] looking at it and um with the number of

[7:19] different requests we've had uh since

[7:21] then and um before then from other

[7:24] people um we evaluated it again and we

[7:27] feel that although it's probably not the

[7:29] best thing in the world to do for

[7:31] traffic um based on safety concerns and

[7:34] um you know the requests from people uh

[7:37] we're looking to add it at the um Union

[7:41] and eie intersection because that would

[7:44] uh cause less of a problem than the

[7:46] Eerie Boulevard one um adding a left

[7:48] turn at the Eerie uh state in Erie um

[7:51] would actually back up um State Street

[7:54] past Broadway and caused more problems

[7:58] um can't just look at it uh just for the

[8:00] one intersection as well um the the

[8:03] blocks are very short there's not a lot

[8:05] of distance for um stacking of vehicles

[8:09] um so you know one or the other the

[8:12] Union Street is probably the better one

[8:14] to look at um so at this point we I

[8:17] talked to Chris Wallen he's around here

[8:19] someplace he's going to assist us in

[8:21] looking to get uh video detection so

[8:23] that we don't have to uh put any

[8:25] detectors in the roadway um with video

[8:28] detection you can actually draw the

[8:29] zones on the on the ground you know from

[8:32] the camera and it'll pick up the

[8:33] vehicles uh uh based on the direction

[8:36] they're going um and the one thing

[8:40] that's remaining is I have to uh double

[8:43] check the traffic signal poles and make

[8:45] sure that they can take another uh

[8:48] couple of traffic signal sections um to

[8:51] make sure we we have to do a loading on

[8:53] them to um make sure that uh the pole

[8:56] designs that they are can take the extra

[8:58] load so so that'll be done in the next

[9:00] uh week or so um at the same time we

[9:03] have to check to make sure that there's

[9:05] uh sufficient wiring or we have to add a

[9:07] wire uh for that uh additional phase but

[9:10] um should you know be an easy thing to

[9:13] complete awesome perfect um definitely

[9:16] it's fair to recognize that there are

[9:19] conversations that happen away from this

[9:20] table so definitely thank you Mr Toro

[9:22] but in the absence of here many updates

[9:24] there was an individual that came for to

[9:26] one of our Council meetings just

[9:27] identifying as the continued issue that

[9:29] they're experiencing and I also think

[9:31] it's important to identify to the city

[9:33] that there are projects that are taking

[9:35] place without uh any uh continued

[9:38] updates uh but definitely this is a

[9:40] reflection of how uh in-depth of

[9:42] research was needed to identify the

[9:44] proper answer and although there sounds

[9:46] to be there's going to be some cascading

[9:48] effects from putting this addition in

[9:51] seconds uh I think it's important to

[9:53] make sure that we're prioritizing uh not

[9:55] only pedestrian safety but also vehicle

[9:57] safety and from myself it's a

[9:59] challenging leftand turn so I can only

[10:01] imagine for other individuals but want

[10:03] to offer any questions or comments from

[10:05] my it is you got to try to sneak in

[10:06] there early or wait till we all know

[10:14] that please yeah the I don't know I mean

[10:18] I know John correct me if I'm wrong I do

[10:20] not know if an exclusive we is

[10:22] necessarily in the best interest of all

[10:24] pedestrians and those have left will meet we have a lot of complaints

[10:28] from pedestrians who travel exclusive

[10:31] lefts are not a benefit for them so I

[10:33] just want to make sure that we're we're

[10:34] helping the vehicles we're not

[10:36] necessarily helping the pedestrians

[10:38] because what that means is now when

[10:39] you're taking that left the people who

[10:41] would be Crossing Union Street they got

[10:44] they will have a stop they're not

[10:45] allowed because now they're not allowed

[10:47] because you're telling the cars to cross

[10:49] so that's one component of this the

[10:51] second component is hopefully long range

[10:54] planing the J Street connector gets

[10:56] constructed we can somehow push track

[10:59] traffic onto the J Street connector to

[11:01] get them away from the left turn so they

[11:03] take the left turn at the roundabout so

[11:05] you go through the roundabout you go

[11:07] through which isn't really a left turn

[11:09] right around about just a rotary then

[11:11] you take the right onto the connector

[11:12] and then you're into there so you're

[11:14] trying to steal some of those people off

[11:16] of earring so hopefully we can

[11:17] recondition people

[11:20] because I agree it's going to be safer

[11:23] but I also agree that in 2 years or in 4

[11:26] years we may be back here talk talk

[11:29] about that left term it's also a good

[11:32] opportunity to talk about how we have to

[11:35] reinforce um that pedestrians follow the

[11:38] walk lights and that they press the

[11:39] buttons and wait for them to um you know

[11:42] show the proper indications before they

[11:44] cross the street too often do we see

[11:46] people just walk up to the corner

[11:49] sometimes look sometimes not holding

[11:51] their cell phone and just cross the

[11:52] street so it's a good opportunity to

[11:54] remind people to do that absolutely M um

[11:58] thank you Mr Williams I think it's like

[12:00] a 17sec walk there because I do walk

[12:02] over to storts a lot um but still uh

[12:06] people coming down Union Street are

[12:07] always taking a right on are headed

[12:08] towards like the casino so it's it's

[12:12] really bad pedestrian uh crosswalk as it

[12:15] is sure and at the same time when we do

[12:18] this we'll be looking at the timing on

[12:20] um all of the phases of that signal to

[12:23] see if we can squeeze a couple of

[12:24] seconds out of those other approaches so

[12:26] that we can add to that left turn and

[12:28] miniz the negative impacts of adding

[12:31] that phase thank you any other questions

[12:34] or comments so I just want yes thank you

[12:37] so can you talk about squee you're not

[12:38] talking about lessening The Pedestrian

[12:40] time though are you no okay CU that to

[12:42] me I mean I talking about monitoring the

[12:46] volume of vehicles on each approach and

[12:49] making sure that we don't have too much

[12:51] time for them so that we can take that

[12:53] time out the max times out and add them

[12:56] to the left turn and not add too many

[12:59] seconds to the entire phase uh entire

[13:01] cycle and the new video will assist that

[13:05] absolutely okay yeah thank Mr one uh so

[13:10] if there are no other items that Beall

[13:12] the Public Safety Committee may please

[13:13] have motion to again second all in

[13:16] favor I'd like to call the order City

[13:18] development and planning and we have 12

[13:20] items on the agenda uh the first item is

[13:23] follow up of arpa contracts Miss

[13:27] Carver

[13:29] evening I'm always so excited to present

[13:32] to the body the updates on the art for

[13:36] funding so um the most recent updates we

[13:40] have we have contracts that have been

[13:42] approved by the city council and signed

[13:44] by the way the mayor awaiting execution

[13:47] from our sub recipients and that will

[13:48] include the Green Market scat and

[13:51] Hamilton Hill currently in corporate

[13:54] Council review is contracts are Boys and

[13:58] Girls Club club and the seat

[14:00] Center pending submission for corporate

[14:03] counsil review and when I say pending

[14:05] submission meaning these sub recipients

[14:07] may be missing some of the

[14:08] pre-contractual documents that are

[14:10] required to move forward with contract

[14:12] is connected Kanas club and the Coco

[14:15] house the other um subrecipients that we

[14:20] have were ex were granting an extension

[14:23] of some sort so there's no update on

[14:25] that until they their time frame comes

[14:28] which will in the YWCA for Harbor House

[14:31] their extension was to March 24 the

[14:33] Electric City Bar Barn the same March

[14:36] 2004 America W crate which their

[14:38] extension is coming up which is December

[14:40] of

[14:41] 2023 and the bcni Hamilton Hill um

[14:44] infield project and when is theirs oh

[14:47] they we didn't give them time we are

[14:48] still waiting for approval

[14:51] okay and those will be my only

[14:54] updates any questions is there

[14:57] any

[14:59] just to be with Koh house so they came

[15:01] and asked for a um change so they

[15:07] couldn't have a contract CU we've not

[15:08] had that no that's what they're pending

[15:10] submission they're still missing some of

[15:11] the pre-contract documents that are

[15:13] needed even without us changing okay all

[15:17] right that's what I want to know all

[15:18] right any other questions all right so

[15:22] I'm glad we're moving ahead it's isn't

[15:24] it exciting it is so exciting it's

[15:27] movement so we're we'll take it we'll

[15:29] take it it's movement um the next item

[15:32] the jewy Community Foundation that's not

[15:34] will not be that'll be pulled from the

[15:35] agenda for today yes please all right

[15:39] thank you thank

[15:41] you uh Mr Wallen to operate the change

[15:44] order for to the contract for the

[15:46] Michigan Avenue ball

[15:47] field in the amount of

[15:55] $90,000 hello this is a uh change order

[15:58] for the Michigan Avenue um I would say

[16:01] little leag field as most of you would

[16:02] know it but it's actually not little

[16:04] leag um what we had is we awarded a base

[16:06] contract of

[16:08] $89,000 at this location to construct a

[16:11] retaining wall uh this was under the ARP

[16:13] funding the retaining wall was so that a

[16:15] pavilion could be built behind the

[16:17] bleachers and it would be a level area

[16:19] for people to gather as there was a

[16:21] slope um the wall is complete um it

[16:24] looks good however I'm back up a little

[16:27] bit that base bid was put out with an

[16:29] alternate at the time we didn't do the

[16:31] alternate because we wanted to see how

[16:33] the base bid went we lik the base bid um

[16:36] the little we reached out Michigan ad

[16:37] reached out to us and asked if we could

[16:40] do the alternate which was essentially

[16:42] the same price we did it in that way

[16:44] just so that we could kind of see what

[16:46] we were getting into with the project um

[16:48] it's essentially the same amount of

[16:50] length the first phase you could see out

[16:52] there went from their staircase 130 ft

[16:54] up towards the field where they have the

[16:56] flat area this phase would go from the

[16:58] end of that that wall and wrap around

[17:00] left field uh bringing that up to gray

[17:02] the idea is if that brings up to gray

[17:04] they have more of a walking area and

[17:06] they can also construct a a bullpen uh

[17:10] off of Left Field um usually uh on these

[17:13] little leag Fields what you try to do is

[17:15] you try to have a bullpen in left field

[17:16] and right field so that when the kids

[17:18] are warming up they're outside of the

[17:19] field to play but because of the grade

[17:21] uh it doesn't allow that so what they've

[17:23] had to do is construct the bullpens in

[17:25] the back around center field but it's

[17:28] kind inconvenient cuz you got to kind of

[17:29] walk down the hill around the fence down

[17:31] the grade up the grade and around so um

[17:34] they liked how it looked so much they

[17:35] wanted to use an additional $90,000 in

[17:38] arpa funding to pretty much finish the

[17:40] project you know um that would leave in

[17:43] the arpa funding a balance of

[17:46] $171,000 just so that you're

[17:51] aware um so this particular U pot of

[17:55] funding was not only for Michigan but

[17:57] also for Oregon correct so um that would

[18:00] that's that's what it would Le and what

[18:01] was the total 350 350 yep so and

[18:04] essentially half of it going to Michigan

[18:06] for the

[18:08] wall half of the uh 90 90 180 of the the

[18:14] 350 and then um I did speak with um you

[18:18] know JC the things that they're looking

[18:20] at doing at the Oregon facility were spr

[18:23] sprinklers fencing bleachers and to look

[18:26] at reestablishing the abandoned softball

[18:29] field in the wooded area behind uh so

[18:31] they would have

[18:32] $171,000 to do that work they believe

[18:36] that that is uh

[18:38] sufficient so you know I'm put it up to

[18:41] you guys for a decision I I don't know

[18:43] uh what other work they could be doing I

[18:46] don't know if anyone has any information

[18:47] for them I'm not active with both

[18:49] leagues too

[18:50] much you know the upgrades to the field

[18:53] would be the fence as you say the

[18:54] irrigation is important to maintain the

[18:57] grass and the field reduce the amount of

[18:59] work that they have to do which is a big

[19:01] thing maintaining the field uh the fence

[19:04] obviously is a big thing um getting that

[19:07] other field up to grade so that they can

[19:09] restart some of the additional programs

[19:11] is always important of course the

[19:12] bleachers so people can watch their kids

[19:16] um that they're pretty confident that

[19:18] they can uh do what they need to do

[19:21] there so um it would be good for the

[19:23] kids and good for uh the league are you

[19:26] speaking about organ or

[19:30] oron so Mr so this would not erode the

[19:33] money the 50% towards

[19:36] Oregon so what I'm saying is that this

[19:39] would leave 50% Oran I'm not saying that was supposed to be a 50/50 split I don't you know the applications were

[19:46] made and for instance I I'll say I um

[19:49] you know one of the things that was

[19:50] kicked around was the idea that we do

[19:53] far less work at Michigan and we put you

[19:55] know astro turf infield at JC you know

[19:58] but that is expensive so now the thought

[20:01] is you know what maybe that's in a you

[20:04] know a different relev we'll get rid of

[20:06] that we'll go to leveling irrigation

[20:08] systems fencing and we'll keep it at

[20:09] kind of the at this level you know

[20:12] there's not many fields around here that

[20:13] are at the little Le level with astral

[20:15] turf I know of

[20:17] one do do you have a timeline in terms

[20:20] of the AR the organ field I don't have a

[20:22] timeline for Oregon no um as you're

[20:25] probably aware the people who are

[20:27] involved with Michigan AB are more

[20:29] aggressive than the people who were

[20:30] involved with JC so you know I'm working

[20:33] with them more to get these things done

[20:35] because there's more of that where as

[20:37] the JC I'm not going to say they're not

[20:39] as organized it's just they're not as

[20:42] coming to me as much so this is

[20:44] something where we wanted to get the

[20:45] walls done get the project done it was

[20:47] also in coordination remember with the

[20:50] uh oh my God Sky Foundation project

[20:53] because that was part of theirs and I

[20:54] didn't want them to you know use that

[20:56] money for this so this is going to be a

[20:58] winter offse project to kind of see what

[21:00] it is these projects are really

[21:03] difficult for me because they are lots

[21:05] of little things and you have to kind of

[21:08] bid them itemized because nobody you

[21:10] know fencing fencing great bleachers we

[21:12] usually have to buy the bleachers

[21:13] ourselves maybe put them together

[21:15] sprinklers once again small so you're splitting all these up so it's

[21:19] really you know it's four different

[21:21] contracts whereas this wall was one

[21:23] fence wall all together so when when all

[21:25] the work is completed at Michigan Avenue

[21:27] field

[21:28] you will have available

[21:30] $171,000 right

[21:32] now it could be used for right now yes

[21:34] okay thank

[21:37] you um so you said this was a ask but I

[21:41] when in reading the what you what was

[21:42] given to us it said that originally you

[21:44] didn't think that it was necessary um or

[21:47] you you didn't put it in this part of so

[21:50] correct um is there any particular

[21:52] reason why I just want to why it

[21:54] initially wasn't and now it's being the

[21:56] ask is coming from um yeah no I I think

[21:58] it was because it's one of those things

[22:01] where at first when you do these things

[22:02] you have a little bit of a sticker shock

[22:04] and you look at it and you say you know

[22:05] oh that's a lot of money and then you

[22:07] start to see it and you start to see

[22:09] what it looks like and how the impact is

[22:11] and now when you go out there you see

[22:12] this beautiful wall and it kind of ends

[22:15] and it's like people are going you know

[22:17] what if we're going to do it we might as

[22:18] well do it and so I think that's where

[22:21] it is to wrap it around and just get it

[22:23] done and me in my position I'm always

[22:25] trying to be the fiscally conservative

[22:27] one you know what I mean and then the

[22:29] council can over overrule me every time

[22:31] if I said I wanted to do the one you

[22:33] said we want to do it all great I'll

[22:35] spend the money but at the first plus it

[22:37] was like you know let's be constrainted

[22:39] so I think that they see it and now it

[22:41] looks half finished and that was kind of

[22:44] the the impetus for wanting to do

[22:46] more

[22:49] okay any other questions or discussions

[22:52] run

[22:54] this I'll second alls in favor while

[22:58] you're here I do want to can I ask you

[22:59] another question about parks in general

[23:00] sure um because it looks like we're

[23:02] doing a lot in different parks and we're

[23:04] also hearing from people now about what

[23:06] about this park what about that park is

[23:08] there an overall Park

[23:09] plan um for the other Parks who are not

[23:13] included not included in well we heard

[23:16] from who was well I won't Cary Street we

[23:19] heard from and then there's there was

[23:21] one other so do we have an overall Park

[23:24] plan I guess is not right now okay no so

[23:26] uh right now the parks that are I'm

[23:28] coming to you the majority of them are

[23:30] the ones that we have funded with arpa

[23:31] money because we funded quite a few

[23:33] parks with arpa money and uh we are just

[23:36] trying to get them out the door so uh

[23:39] next just so you're aware uh on the arpa

[23:41] parks list is we are going to be doing

[23:42] the Michigan a Central Park tennis

[23:44] courts because we're trying to get them

[23:47] ready for the season which starts uh

[23:49] June 6th so that's the next ARA one uh

[23:53] we're also working with grout Park which

[23:55] has some money and um what's another one

[23:58] that we're working on well the lighting

[24:01] one up I don't know if anybody saw that

[24:02] on the a diamond it's not functioning

[24:04] yet there is a large back order with

[24:06] electrical panels but the lights are up

[24:07] so all we have to do is get some panels

[24:09] and we can turn them off okay but yeah

[24:12] right now arpa Parks projects are the

[24:13] focus there is not a larger Parks plan

[24:15] so Parks like carry Street or Parks uh

[24:19] that really didn't get that level of

[24:20] funding they're not in a the capital as

[24:22] you see it's

[24:24] just TBD they're the next round M

[24:28] all right all right thank you thank you

[24:30] so is the recreation advisory committee

[24:33] not we need to um reassemble the

[24:35] recreation advisory committee so I have

[24:37] to talk to Mayor McCarthy about that

[24:40] again oh okay there's there's only three

[24:43] people right now on it so we just need

[24:45] to recruit a few more M those okay are

[24:47] you looking for members we take

[24:49] suggestions we're always looking for

[24:53] thanks all right um the next item is a

[24:56] ceremonial resolution for breast cancer

[24:58] awareness Miss Patrick yes um Breast

[25:00] Cancer Awareness Month actually was

[25:02] October um we have in the past um done

[25:05] that resolution um and we missed it

[25:08] somehow this year but I think that it's

[25:09] important to continue to do it um the

[25:12] connecting firefighters Cancer

[25:13] Foundation uh wants to be involved with

[25:15] this as well they had approached um so

[25:19] I'm hoping that we can do the ceremonial

[25:20] resolution right looking for a

[25:23] motion so so Mo second all in favor I I

[25:29] okay uh you're welcome the next one is

[25:31] ceremoni resolution for SK bont Pop

[25:33] Warner M dor yes hi so the uh under 10

[25:36] went to the uh Super Bowl and They

[25:38] carried on and went even further um I've

[25:41] been speaking with uh the uh individuals

[25:44] and um we're going to uh present this at

[25:46] a later date oh not the council meeting

[25:48] okay thank you you're welcome um on

[25:51] entertain a motion so move second all in

[25:54] favor I thank you uh ceremon a

[25:57] resolution

[25:59] for uh complete Imports on their 50th

[26:02] Anniversary yes so um we will be

[26:04] presenting that um on the 13th at the

[26:07] store so um yep so so that I'll present

[26:11] it a later uh the actual resolution I'll

[26:13] present to them at a later date okay so

[26:15] you'll be at this you because that's the

[26:17] day we're passing it the 1th right so

[26:20] yes okay later date

[26:23] okay um just a reminder there's

[26:29] I'm sorry I need to enter a motion so

[26:32] second all in favor I I thank you I'll

[26:35] just a reminder this coming uh Monday

[26:37] there'll be presentation of the

[26:38] connected hardware and electric ceremony

[26:40] resolution which we passed a few weeks

[26:42] ago they they were not able to make it

[26:43] though that they will be here for this

[26:45] coming Monday's

[26:47] meeting all right um next item is

[26:49] discussion of ailia paper streak um that

[26:53] one need to be in ex session because

[26:56] include negotiations okay

[26:58] all right and it looks like everything

[27:00] beyond that is going to also be need to

[27:02] be an executive session for sale of

[27:04] properties so at this point in time I'll

[27:06] entertain a motion to recess City

[27:09] development and planning so Mo second

[27:11] all in favor we're

[27:13] recess thank you ID like to call the

[27:16] finance committee to order and the first

[27:18] item is call for public hearing on the

[27:19] dsad budget any discussion on

[27:23] this I'll move it second all in favor I

[27:27] the next item is calling for public

[27:29] hearing on the upper Union Street

[27:30] business Improvement District budget any

[27:33] discussion on this second all in favor I the next item is the discussion of

[27:39] 2024 operating

[27:42] budget and I would just to give an

[27:44] update and U this evening myself and M

[27:47] pfield

[27:49] and Mari had a discussion on the way

[27:53] forward for the 2024 operating

[27:56] budget I do think that we had a very

[27:59] fruitful um discussion this this

[28:00] afternoon and there were some very um

[28:04] important discussion in terms of how we

[28:06] move forward in

[28:07] addressing some of um some items that

[28:11] will generate additional Revenue um into

[28:13] the 2024 budget and those things will be

[28:15] discussed in terms of looking at

[28:17] commercial U garbage commercial water

[28:20] commercial SE and at the same time um

[28:23] the jackpot garbage fee um that the

[28:26] mayor team has been working on for some

[28:29] time and also the dumpster rental that

[28:31] the city had recently provided and they

[28:33] can look at that if the surface can be

[28:35] provided an additional Revenue so those

[28:38] are the four items that we discussed and

[28:40] um they may ask for some time for his

[28:44] stff to

[28:45] prepare um reports for us and to provide

[28:48] to the council so that we can able to

[28:50] look at the numbers for these four items

[28:53] and how do we move forward from that in

[28:55] terms of raising the fees on the

[28:56] commercial side

[28:58] if we can achieve that it will ease the

[29:00] burden on what we're pushing to

[29:02] reduce and able to arrive at a budget

[29:06] that will try to try to make everybody

[29:09] happy M pfield you want to address that

[29:12] no I think that's cover the I mean we've

[29:15] been trying for a while but we

[29:16] definitely needed to look at um one of

[29:18] the pushing points was that we didn't

[29:19] want to burden our tax our residence as

[29:21] much so we have definitely looked at the

[29:24] um the commercial side and see where we

[29:26] are with that and how we can um meet in

[29:29] the middle somewhere in terms of what uh

[29:32] the revenue that we need to generate in

[29:33] order to not to increase the um the fees

[29:37] um for our residents as much so we have

[29:40] that discussion and I also uh

[29:43] encourage council members if there are

[29:46] other things that they're concerned

[29:47] about they want to make sure that we

[29:48] discuss and really get this and finally

[29:50] get this budget P the police provide

[29:52] that information any other questions

[29:54] that you have any other concerns that

[29:55] you have you can um follow them to Miss

[29:58] Michael who will then disseminate them

[29:59] to all of us including the mayor um but

[30:02] we you know we've been trying to get

[30:04] there and I think we're closer now than

[30:07] we have been and um once we get these

[30:09] numbers uh the mayor will will have that

[30:12] discussion and then um the mayor will

[30:13] also and I can't um so he will be

[30:16] speaking to his his department heads in

[30:18] terms of other places that maybe if if

[30:20] there are an ability to make reductions

[30:22] so that's something that the mayor will

[30:24] do with his staff that know the council

[30:26] does not have any role in that but um so

[30:29] the ultimate goal is to to make sure

[30:31] that we um don't increase the rates of

[30:34] our residents as much that we're able to

[30:36] still function and do the work um that

[30:37] the city needs to do and um come to a

[30:41] budget that everyone can agree on um

[30:44] hopefully there will be unanimous

[30:46] consent on this budget that is the goal

[30:48] but we we don't know until we get comes

[30:50] time to vote so at this point in time Mr

[30:53] um Mr Mayor McCarthy has asked for more

[30:55] time to do that and Mr um Mr Mudan so

[31:01] did you want to I was going to ask M do

[31:03] you just want to add any different

[31:05] scenarios that will have thing the

[31:08] easiest thing to have the numbers by

[31:09] next Tuesday if you want them tonight

[31:11] I'll hold people or order people back to

[31:15] put it together and again just we're

[31:18] close and bringing this all together the

[31:21] cuts though the council has to come up

[31:24] with a number I go back to the

[31:26] Department

[31:30] to tell them what we have to work with

[31:32] and what number we have to come together

[31:34] on to put a backage in place but I

[31:38] thought what we said go ahead Mr M I

[31:40] thought we we look at the the the

[31:42] revenue from the water SE on garbage and

[31:44] the jackpot garbage fee on the

[31:46] commercial side and then we'll then

[31:48] we'll look at what we need to address on

[31:51] the cuts that was proposed maybe you

[31:53] might necess understand need to and then

[31:56] we just have to SL and was had to put

[31:59] back some money there so I think we

[32:01] agree to look at this for us and then

[32:03] address

[32:04] that on the cut that was suggested

[32:07] recommended by the council majority of

[32:09] the council and you had um asked for

[32:12] Time by towards

[32:13] day latest or next

[32:16] Tuesday be the easiest to put it

[32:18] together guess we'll provide those

[32:19] scenarios so Council have it I'll get it

[32:22] to you as soon as we have it in place

[32:25] okay yeah we want to give you a time we

[32:26] don't want to get have you know 24 hours

[32:29] or tonight that's that's unreasonable on

[32:31] my side to ask them to do it tonight or

[32:34] tomorrow tomorrow is a holiday anyway

[32:35] the staff so we have options here we can

[32:40] recess U the finance committee meeting

[32:42] until Tuesday if everybody's available

[32:43] next Tuesday and in the meantime the

[32:46] mayor and the staff will get all

[32:47] information email it to us we I'm not

[32:51] available what about Wednesday I'm out

[32:53] of town from basically Tuesday through

[32:57] Friday well actually so am I no I'm

[33:00] thinking about it I'm away from Tuesday

[33:02] to Friday next week so that pushes into

[33:04] the following

[33:08] week thank you for saying

[33:21] that because tomorrow is a holiday

[33:24] because of election and Friday is a

[33:26] holiday also this week Veterans Day so

[33:30] the staff only has two days to put this

[33:32] into this week and next week um what

[33:35] about the

[33:38] 14th Tuesday that's the next Tuesday

[33:41] that's Tuesday that's Tuesday I mean the

[33:43] 21 we're both the 14th

[33:46] that's sorry sorry I'm just thinking

[33:48] this

[33:50] way it's going so fast

[33:55] yeah

[34:01] I mean we can recess Monday um

[34:04] 5:30 and if we can agree on number then

[34:06] we can move it for unanimous consent on

[34:09] the

[34:11] Monday

[34:14] 13 I mean that works for me sometimes

[34:18] I'm overly optimistic in well we we can we can do that and you know if

[34:23] the numbers are moving the way we're

[34:24] moving then we can have it there on 13

[34:26] pass it if not we'll just go to a

[34:28] reserve date if we can have a reserve

[34:31] date of the following week the 20th

[34:34] which is or

[34:36] 24th if we can agree if we can get all

[34:39] information by the 13 to meet so I can

[34:41] recess for

[34:43] 5:30 or 5:00 on Monday the 13th if that

[34:47] is okay with

[34:48] everybody and hopefully we can get it on

[34:50] to the my unanimous consent 5:30 is that

[34:54] too late to get it on unanimous consent

[34:57] is it 5 or 5:30 it will have to be 5

[35:00] okay because they will give us at least

[35:01] an hour and a half two hours so would

[35:04] that be

[35:05] okay so click so we can get we could

[35:07] still get on

[35:10] consent so so 5:00 on

[35:14] 13th now do we need to a back

[35:17] update on the

[35:21] 24th for some reason we can't I hope I I

[35:25] don't want to do this but we we will get

[35:26] it is it 13th but if they go ahead if we

[35:31] don't get in 13th we don't just recess

[35:32] again so and then do we need to do that

[35:35] date right now recess on the 1 and then

[35:39] okay if we don't get that if we don't

[35:42] but I I'm finger crossed I think we're

[35:44] going to have a budget by the

[35:46] 13 running the risk of being overly

[35:49] optimistic with the May it seems like we

[35:51] should be able to do it things are

[35:53] moving in the right

[35:54] direction all right so we'll recess the

[35:57] finance committee meeting for November

[36:00] 13th at 5:00

[36:06] p.m. you good yes it is that small

[36:09] business award thing so I don't know

[36:16] that well I can always get somebody else

[36:18] to appear

[36:25] but

[36:27] motion is on the

[36:31] table to recess

[36:33] oh I'll second all in favor I thank

[36:38] you any other business support finance

[36:41] committee no sorry

[36:44] say all right I'd like i' like to I'd

[36:48] like to reconvene uh City development

[36:50] and planning and the items um that are

[36:54] remaining all need to be an exec

[36:58] session at this point I'd like to ask

[37:00] for a motion to go to the executive

[37:01] session second all those in

[37:13] favor

Schenectady City Council Meeting, November 6, 2023

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