[0:00] I'd like to call City committee meeting

[0:03] for Monday November 13

[0:05] 2023 and I'd like to turn it over to the

[0:07] chair of Finance thank you I would like

[0:10] to reconvene the finance

[0:12] committee and just sorry before we go

[0:14] into disc discussion where we left off

[0:16] last time we met we had um asked U the

[0:19] mayor and the administration to give us

[0:22] several reports regarding the waste

[0:24] water and Su so on the commercial side

[0:28] so we were fortunate to receive those

[0:30] reports so on this sheet here you should

[0:33] have the um water and stool commercial

[0:38] breakdown and on this sheet you will

[0:40] have the um the G break

[0:46] down so thank you umari for giving us um

[0:49] this breakdown in terms of where we are

[0:51] in terms of Marshall and theal

[0:54] [Music]

[0:56] um

[0:58] Brees um we we didn't receive any um

[1:02] analysis fee analysis for the

[1:04] jackpot and I think we still have

[1:06] outstanding the um vacancies a breakdown

[1:09] of the vacancy report uh we're waiting

[1:11] on HR HR said they cannot produce it

[1:14] from 2018 because they don't have enough

[1:16] information to

[1:19] go why would it matter I mean these are

[1:21] the jobs that are vacant now I

[1:24] mean I think also adding to that is also

[1:27] looking at where any interview they were

[1:29] mentioned on the table here that they

[1:32] were interview and put the potential

[1:34] higher and we would like to look at that

[1:37] for no there what any

[1:39] uh of those things

[1:46] happen so I will open discussion in

[1:48] terms of the commercial water sewer and

[1:51] the

[1:54] garbage and then we can address those

[1:58] um

[2:01] still outstanding

[2:03] [Applause]

[2:15] reports and sorry you should also have

[2:17] this report here this is just a

[2:19] breakdown of the last um the most

[2:21] updated version from Mr ferari what we

[2:25] discussed and what was F commited so

[2:28] this is just for our

[2:35] so Mr M um we do have a debate on Mr fre

[2:40] this is what we give to us today did you

[2:42] want you have that yes does I have all

[2:45] the stuff that was asked her in terms of

[2:48] a hire interview no it's just it's just

[2:52] somebody I don't know if Miss Patrick

[2:54] you ask for that

[2:55] for we we asked when they were looking

[2:58] at um trying so okay where can we adjust

[3:01] somebody were saying on the T here that

[3:04] there are people who are being

[3:05] interviewed I think it was a May was

[3:06] saying that yes yeah sorry and the HR

[3:10] was going to provide us that information

[3:11] to know which category

[3:15] of the information they request is like

[3:17] go back to 2018 that was part they went

[3:21] back to 2021 and she said she couldn't

[3:23] go she she doesn't even know how to go

[3:25] back to 2018 to get that information but

[3:29] any know it doesn't really matter and

[3:30] this is these are the vacant jobs we

[3:32] have now yeah you know I that's what you

[3:34] got to decide you you want to keep it

[3:36] you want end them or whatever you have

[3:39] that report

[3:41] [Applause]

[3:50] so so Mr go ahead so when we when initi

[3:54] when I initially asked that information

[3:56] Derek did not say Mr did not say that

[3:59] you could he simply said that the um

[4:02] person was out and so you're now this is

[4:05] the first time I'm hearing today that we

[4:06] can't asked her today she said she

[4:08] doesn't even know how to go back to to

[4:11] see right now can she go back to 2021

[4:15] well

[4:16] should that's what she was able to

[4:19] do and the reason that um that the

[4:22] request was to go back beyond that when

[4:24] we were discussing the vacancy um it was

[4:26] consistently said part of the reason

[4:28] they weren't filled is because of Co so

[4:31] we were trying to look at what what same

[4:34] positions were still vacant preo so

[4:38] that's why the ask was to go back

[4:40] further to look at pre-co to really make

[4:42] an informed decision if if the argument

[4:44] was that's because of Co that it wasn't

[4:46] fil so that's why if you if you want to

[4:50] go through one by one you can just see

[4:52] like the city clerk we took off the cler

[4:55] L because you said

[4:57] that's uh the IPS three that's pretty

[5:00] much a new position right yeah you had

[5:03] that long in a position right the

[5:05] assistant Corporation Council even

[5:07] probably back to 2012 there's been

[5:09] openings in assistant Corporation C for

[5:12] years right um

[5:13] [Music]

[5:16] Andrew ass

[5:18] Corporation you had openings for years

[5:21] my understanding is I don't know what

[5:23] has been in previous budgets for

[5:25] openings but I know that shortly before

[5:27] I started there were

[5:30] I believe six attorneys in the

[5:31] corporation council's office um

[5:34] Corporation councel Deputy Corp counsel

[5:37] um three assistant court councils and

[5:39] then there was one person who hadn't

[5:41] passed the bar but had graduated from

[5:43] law school that was doing attorney an

[5:47] attorney Ro

[5:48] position that was the last time and I

[5:51] believe that was either

[5:52] 20 early 2018 early 2017

[5:57] perhaps that was before my time of

[5:59] sitting

[6:00] yeah so you see since the time we've

[6:02] been here has always been opening since

[6:04] then that's not the L we

[6:07] trying P AIT cork uh it say we're just

[6:10] waiting for a test that's why I took it

[6:12] off engineering it another one that's a

[6:14] new position that started last year

[6:16] there was somebody in it but now it's

[6:17] vacant next uh in

[6:19] 2024 utilities this is a new position

[6:22] that just came up uh because of all the

[6:25] retirements uh it this is just get

[6:27] another it person John's are going to be

[6:30] leaving and they're reestablishing the

[6:33] whole it Department uh I took out the

[6:36] police and fire fighters the dog control

[6:39] officer we've had a missing a person

[6:41] missing there in the last five years

[6:44] that's because we had two people there

[6:45] they both went out on top and now we

[6:47] just got one person that's been like

[6:49] that for the last 3 four years em just

[6:53] before you go you just mentioned we

[6:55] removed the police and fire we're not

[6:57] addressing VES

[7:01] that's why I remove them that's that's a

[7:02] no touch now

[7:05] the uh that always going to be vacancies

[7:08] because people retire people come in

[7:10] there's always openings you know so

[7:13] there's always going to be openings of

[7:14] that the motor equipment the guy that

[7:16] works alone at light at night that's

[7:18] vacant now but that's you still have

[7:20] nobody made a decision if you want to

[7:22] keep it or not so I put it on as a

[7:24] vacant uh vacant as of 2024 again

[7:28] there's there more nvos uh Code

[7:30] Enforcement Officers as you know you

[7:32] know we've had trouble every year trying

[7:34] to get Code Enforcement Officers so for

[7:36] the last two three years that's been

[7:37] vacant code enforcement supervisor this

[7:40] is pretty much a uh what we had before

[7:43] was a part-time person was a supervisor

[7:46] uh he had left uh two three years ago

[7:49] and that's still a vacant position now

[7:51] senior planner just opened up this year

[7:54] we had the planner was there he left and

[7:56] then the CD supervising I took them out

[7:59] only because those are all newly vacant

[8:13] [Music]

[8:28] positions

[8:30] going back to going back to the top City

[8:32] CL clerical we're removing that

[8:34] position I fig it out because they have

[8:37] there some in that position cleric there

[8:40] was two clerical positions the one

[8:42] person vacated last week yeah so you

[8:45] know saying it's going to be re redone

[8:48] right you're going to reill it right or

[8:51] I can refill the IPS three that's vac

[8:54] right now but it's it's open

[8:58] right M Michael you you're okay with um

[9:01] not funding that clerically one of them

[9:04] yes

[9:26] okay any question on these vacancies

[9:35] so we also recommend we asked for um the

[9:39] ones that we asked to be taken out do we

[9:40] have a report on that ones from the

[9:44] dere um so when we went through it we

[9:47] had all of us had the they will be on

[9:49] this that's these are all the ones we

[9:51] asked to be taken out

[9:57] yes okay

[9:59] yeah if we were to remove any this will

[10:02] be addition to to

[10:28] this

[11:12] mrar the clerical Aid since we're

[11:14] removing it is not on this report so you

[11:16] will have to make I'm doing it right now

[11:18] as

[11:23] start so the bottom line number is going

[11:25] to be 121

[11:27] 3601 1 milon

[11:30] [Music]

[11:32] 231 1 million

[11:35] [Music]

[11:37] 1,23

[11:39] 601 1213 601 what we're doing is uh uh we're subtracting out the cleric

[11:49] a subtracting out the ips3 and then

[11:53] adding back to clar BL

[11:57] right okay so the total will be 12 13

[12:07] 601 be

[12:15] 38140 but the cleric a is off of

[12:18] this we're not putting in the cleric a

[12:20] right isn't that what you just we're

[12:22] taking out the CL but keeping the IPS oh

[12:26] that's the IPS 3 is vac right now right

[12:32] mhm but it says zero for the clerical

[12:35] already so they just changed it because

[12:37] she said she rather do it the other way

[12:39] okay so this new sheet I'm sorry but the

[12:41] new sheet that we just got today that

[12:43] zero is going to be 38 140 and then

[12:47] we're going to make that 45

[12:49] 9340 and the bottom number is going to

[12:52] be 1

[12:53] 1213

[12:57] 601

[13:12] and that just represents salary right

[13:15] yeah

[13:19] correct and your final calculation

[13:21] you'll do the

[13:22] benefit let's get all that stuff let's

[13:27] get the number just

[13:34] percentage so you just want to make up

[13:36] what your proposing for the um seing

[13:38] water and for the um they get that

[13:42] reductions in SE and water and the

[13:44] changes the let me say in the commercial

[13:47] searing order because that's where the

[13:49] changes

[13:53] were we should do one at a time okay all

[13:56] right let's go through the water first

[13:59] is up to you yeah I'm just trying I'm

[14:01] not really

[14:02] sure even though I was talking with Mr M

[14:05] today I wasn't really sure what was

[14:07] looking for no this is what I was

[14:09] looking for break away from the original

[14:13] Carl's proposal of 50% for water and

[14:16] sewer across the board but then we asked

[14:19] for to look at the commercial side what

[14:22] um how many Revenue are being generated

[14:24] on the commercial side and not including

[14:27] the residential

[14:29] so when we look at this here on the

[14:31] water your the revenue proposed revenue

[14:36] 48666 for water and then on sewer the

[14:40] proposed

[14:42] Revenue

[14:43] 776

[14:45] 506 so what you did you just give us a

[14:47] breakdown to help us to look at what we

[14:49] had initially proposed by car and that

[14:54] number yes you did

[14:56] yeah what I'm recommending is we keep

[14:58] the the the Merit the

[15:00] post

[15:02] increase the commercial rate I mean just

[15:05] to help help you guys go forward because

[15:08] I personally think you should listen

[15:10] raise both rates but that's up to you

[15:21] guys uh for the water U the mayor's

[15:24] proposed increase for the water for a

[15:27] meter uh for unmetered sales you know

[15:30] the rular roll is only a 7%

[15:36] increase and now you're talking

[15:39] residential right correct the

[15:41] residential will be 7%

[15:44] increase I

[15:47] 13

[15:49] yeah 7%

[15:51] so 556 to 5956 is only 7%

[15:57] increase

[15:59] No 7 percentage this is a proposal or

[16:01] this is after to Carl's um this is just

[16:03] the mayor's proposal I'm just trying to

[16:05] explain with Carl's on proposal it's

[16:08] 3.5 Carl's proposal for is only for the

[16:12] commercial rate would increase it by

[16:15] 15% and you know

[16:21] uh and I said you would have to make up

[16:23] the difference by uh the fund balance

[16:26] and says you just for the water if if

[16:29] you just use the Mir propos rate on both

[16:32] ends you have 26% increase in in the

[16:34] water to to the the the May's proposal

[16:37] comes to

[16:38] 486 606 and the 7% increase in the UN

[16:43] meter of 396 then you would have to use

[16:45] any form balance in the water

[16:57] dep

[17:05] do you have the sheet that U sheet in

[17:08] The Proposal

[17:09] 50% 2024 Council increase yes

[17:16] 243,000 the new rate would be

[17:19] 0364 it's a 133% increase which is half

[17:23] of what the budget is

[17:27] 50% commercial

[17:30] yes so this is just for commercial

[17:34] that's just for commercial now the next leader the Le next line shows the

[17:39] mayor's proposed amount for uh uh the

[17:42] housing and that's only s for the

[17:44] households it's only a 7% increase you

[17:47] we're going from the 5 500 to

[17:50] 5956 it's at

[17:52] $396,000 increase it's only 7%

[17:57] increase

[17:59] from 2023 so but you didn't then you

[18:02] didn't give us only the 50% of it then

[18:06] because the uh John asked me not to do

[18:10] that yeah because I thought we already

[18:11] factoring cars um if you want the 50% is

[18:17] a 198 you're reducing it by 198,000 405

[18:23] for water for water yeah but then like

[18:26] again then you're going to have to

[18:27] increase going to have to use

[18:30] uh fund

[18:32] balance to make up the difference so

[18:36] that's what I'm say I'm not sure what your guys are looking for

[18:40] here I'm I'm making the suggestion that

[18:43] you should use the N increases on both

[18:49] ends May any look for the jackpot um Fe

[18:53] analysis I don't have you don't

[18:57] have say that again the jackpot um oh

[19:01] jackpots jackpots yeah that's garbage

[19:05] right yes oh

[19:21] okay go ahead please Mr Ferrari and I

[19:24] think that you sent us an email also

[19:26] suggesting that perhaps if we did raise

[19:28] the rates on commercial that we might

[19:30] lose customers on the waist side on the

[19:34] side when when I was I gave you a whole

[19:37] yeah array of stuff if you looked at it

[19:40] uh you know the numbers you're trying

[19:42] you know if you wanted to really get up

[19:44] into million dollar differences you're

[19:46] looking at a 500% increase but anything

[19:49] I think anything above the 50% increase

[19:51] you will lose customers going forward

[19:54] you know because just one just won't be

[19:56] woring yeah that's going to my maximum

[19:58] 500,000 500% increase and we're looking

[20:01] at 50% increases so the I believe the

[20:05] revenue is a little bit you know but

[20:07] it's not as much as the million dollars

[20:09] you guys are looking

[20:15] for and I show too you know what how it

[20:18] affects each each of those how much it

[20:20] would change the cost of the people

[20:22] would at the different rates too I want

[20:25] to see that that's why if I um

[20:31] me I would like to suggest something

[20:33] people based on the

[20:34] conversation and I have today um in

[20:37] terms of the water I would like to

[20:39] suggest that we um we go to the proposal

[20:43] the full ask of 486 606

[20:47] 206% on the commercial side and then go

[20:51] down to the bottom with sewer I am

[20:55] proposing the for last 77

[20:59] 6506 and that will bring us in a better

[21:02] position but that is my recommendation

[21:04] at the point5 and the on meter I will

[21:08] stick with Mr Williams proposal initial

[21:10] proposal of

[21:16] 50% saying 50% of the

[21:20] meoros that is the res right so 19844

[21:25] yes what was that number again 198 I

[21:27] think just did it myself so

[21:31] 19845 yeah we reduce uh the M proposed

[21:34] budget by 198 405 yeah so that is my

[21:37] recommendation so go full as to the

[21:39] proposal 486 606 for

[21:41] water and 50% for the on meter

[21:44] residential and full as for the S

[21:54] 77656 they unmuted for the

[21:57] sewer

[21:59] you that is also U 50% we stick to the

[22:18] original 873 734 the reduction from the

[22:22] mar

[22:24] 873 87

[22:26] 8737

[22:28] $34 reduction from the May's

[22:31] proposal from 9.6 million to 8.8

[22:40] million then I have to figure out how

[22:42] much uh F balance we going to be using

[22:45] that

[22:46] but so I'm I'm happy it's less wait so

[22:51] we'd have to make up 873 734 plus

[22:55] 19845 is what you're saying is what I'm

[22:58] thinking there were some adjustment

[23:00] already made by Mr Williams proposal so

[23:04] the numbers once this is facturing into

[23:06] the report it will he will push away um

[23:09] because initially Miss Patrick they he

[23:12] they did 50% of both commercial and

[23:15] residential and now it's being 100% of

[23:17] commercial and only 50% of

[23:21] residential I guess I need to see how it

[23:24] all you see the number there push you're

[23:28] yeah because we haven't made decisions

[23:31] about cutting all these vacancies that's that's a whole different fun

[23:36] that's why I think we need see the big

[23:37] picture water and sore is separate from

[23:40] that I understand that I just don't feel

[23:42] like we can make a decis whatever we do

[23:44] with the vacancy we we'll go to the

[23:46] general fund and help offset what we

[23:48] talked about last week in terms of

[23:51] pushing back some fun to some of the

[23:56] lines so I mean that is is what I'm

[23:58] proposing on the table I mean I think

[23:59] that's reasonable um compromise on my

[24:02] side and I hope that you can see the

[24:05] same way I mean glad that I had a

[24:07] conversation with Mr today and last week

[24:11] to get a better understanding of where

[24:12] we are go ahead please and I'd also like

[24:16] to add uh thank you very much to your

[24:18] office for providing these numbers at

[24:19] least for myself personally having a

[24:21] better representation of of how to

[24:24] attribute these increases to our city uh

[24:26] I think it is fair uh this breakdown of

[24:29] meeting the mayor's requested ask for

[24:30] the commercial side while allowing some

[24:33] Breathing Room FL for our residents um

[24:36] whom of which have been vocal about um

[24:39] not having these increases in general

[24:42] but I think in understanding more the

[24:43] context that Mr ferari has been speaking

[24:45] in as we need to start planning for

[24:47] future years uh hopefully this SS as a

[24:50] appropriate concession

[24:53] for and just to add to that to the other

[24:55] I just mentioned too the commercial

[24:58] garage I mean I understand I'm Mr F

[25:01] concerned about people might want to

[25:02] drop out but I would like to suggest

[25:05] that we increase on the commercial side

[25:07] commercial

[25:08] garbage um to

[25:10] $5.7 per gallon

[25:14] 50% that will generate this worksheet

[25:17] here

[25:22] $114,000 you can go to 100% but that

[25:24] might be too

[25:26] extreme I think it's too

[25:29] extreme you know just around a rle with

[25:32] this why don't why don't we try to at

[25:34] least the raise the the regular waste

[25:37] while on a roll

[25:44] here go ahead I'd like to know why un

[25:49] owner

[25:50] occupied two family houses as well as

[25:53] units with three units or more aren't

[25:56] included in the increase

[25:58] because those are basically commercial

[26:01] establishments they're small businesses

[26:04] anything over yeah four it was meter

[26:07] right okay so that leads out the two and

[26:10] three family right corre but those are

[26:13] those will be a homeowner ones that

[26:14] we're not I'm saying Unown or occupied

[26:17] yeah those should be

[26:20] included that is not originally part of

[26:23] the how the calculation is done not

[26:26] water yeah yeah yeah that's not part of

[26:30] the calculation I understand that what

[26:32] I'm saying is if we're looking at this

[26:34] from a commercial perspective those are

[26:37] small businesses they should be included

[26:39] in that

[26:40] increase go ahead please I don't believe

[26:43] that they those properties are metered I

[26:45] believe those are

[26:47] unmetered for that is it is it a for

[26:50] family or hire are for Residential

[26:52] Properties yes it's 411 4 family or more

[26:56] would be met should have meters maybe

[26:58] consider commercial about one to three

[26:59] or not no I understand I'm saying oh

[27:03] about making that adjustment it could be

[27:06] I

[27:08] think under

[27:13] four we know how that is something I

[27:15] want to look in the future 50% increase

[27:17] will help the one two and three because

[27:20] that' be per unit you know so the three

[27:22] unit three separate charges

[27:26] yes and that is going up by 50% so and

[27:30] do we have any idea of how many of these

[27:33] U two family households that have been

[27:37] converted in the three four or five

[27:39] Apartments because a lot of those I

[27:42] believe are not on the books

[27:46] and can that be a question for code

[27:48] enforcement yeah that's what I'm

[27:50] [Music]

[27:53] saying now if we based on garbage uh the

[27:56] total number of not exempt three

[27:58] families are

[27:59] 425 436 well 425 not exempt with 11

[28:04] three families that are exemp uh the

[28:06] total number of non-exempt two families

[28:09] is

[28:10] 4,962 and the total number of uh single

[28:14] families is

[28:16] 9,000 not EXA

[28:20] 9,475 total of

[28:22] 10,168 and those are for

[28:25] garbage so I fig it's almost about the

[28:33] same there's a 925 uh exempt properties

[28:38] you know in the

[28:42] garbage and like you're saying since

[28:43] we're talking about waste should we at

[28:45] least raise regular waste at least 50%

[28:49] at

[28:51] least and you're saying to raise it 50%

[28:54] of the mayor's proposed budget what

[28:55] you're right okay want to be clear about

[28:57] that from 78 to 39 and I also think you

[29:00] should also raise the exent parcels I

[29:02] mean they've been at

[29:04] $137 for like P 10 years and that's one two or three family exemp you

[29:10] know so if if you're a exemp person you

[29:14] own a three Family House your all three

[29:16] families you're only paying

[29:18] $137 it doesn't multiply like uh the

[29:21] right standard owns you're not playing

[29:23] 137 times three I me you say that that's

[29:27] um

[29:29] senior yeah senior uh disability uh and

[29:33] disabled vets senior disabled and vs vs

[29:39] yeah and

[29:41] so you know like S I think we should

[29:44] minimum because just the one you know

[29:47] now make sure you going have to raise it

[29:48] again because you're not raising it

[29:49] enough now you're you're going to uh

[29:52] like I said if you raise it uh $39 for

[29:55] uh uh the units for waste collection and

[29:59] then also for the exempt

[30:02] $38 so the new rate would go from 249 to

[30:06] 288 and the parcels exempt Parcels go

[30:09] 137 to

[30:13] 175 yeah you're

[30:16] talking go ahead and I just wonder you

[30:18] know by raising the commercial rates is

[30:20] that going to get passed on to our

[30:22] residents in a more outstanding way um

[30:26] when their rates go up

[30:28] who's going to cover that amount of

[30:30] money well the same thing going to

[30:32] happen for um residential too the tenant

[30:35] pass on to the ten so

[30:37] it's it's going to affect everybody

[30:39] across the

[30:40] board own and renter and business and

[30:45] business

[30:46] payr so advocating did not raise the

[30:49] rates pardon me are you advocating to

[30:51] not raise the rates then I think it

[30:53] should should be over not just the

[30:55] commercial rates I think we everyone

[30:56] should pay the own share uh residence

[30:59] and Commercial and not just burden the

[31:01] commercial part of

[31:03] it just I said you we did it with the

[31:07] water sore we maybe we should do the 50%

[31:09] for Waste too from 78 to 39 I know Merit

[31:13] is not

[31:14] enough but I'm just trying to find a

[31:16] compromise here well let me be clear I

[31:19] have to have something that is balanced

[31:22] the revenue is there to pay the debt

[31:24] service and need you to take that into

[31:32] consideration may you don't have the fee

[31:35] analysis for Jack is there like another

[31:37] week or so together or another couple

[31:39] days or just a week another day or two

[31:42] or is that the still working at the

[31:45] problem also with just the jackpots

[31:50] become in theory it's self-correcting so

[31:55] you have the jackpots out there now

[31:58] uh we're going to find people chargeing

[32:00] more they're not going to put it out

[32:03] anymore and so I can't treat that as a

[32:05] reoccurring Revenue Source going

[32:10] forward even though it's something we

[32:12] should do to get compliance and get

[32:14] people who are really abusing the system

[32:17] but it's not going

[32:19] to solve the problem

[32:22] really pull through the 24 budget or

[32:25] clearly going into the 25 budget but but

[32:28] it does on one end it's that's not going

[32:30] to be a reoccurring hopefully if it

[32:33] people are adhering to it it won't

[32:34] reoccur what it will do is lessen the

[32:37] burden and the cost of operating cost of

[32:39] the city so so you get the savings on

[32:41] that side but yeah to your point that

[32:43] will be

[32:45] reur okay that's

[32:54] good I mean I I I think suff I mean in

[32:58] terms of going FL out and then going 50%

[33:02] for the on meter water and SE and going

[33:04] 100% out for the the sewer and water on

[33:09] the commercial

[33:10] side and at the same time we can look at

[33:13] the garbage in from l50

[33:18] 50% I mean I I'm going to stick to

[33:25] those say that again John you stick but what I what I suggested

[33:31] there I think this is a big compromise

[33:33] because if we were to add all of this up

[33:35] here this is about like4

[33:40] 900,000 additional

[33:43] Revenue

[33:45] me if we were to add all of this up I'm

[33:47] thinking it's going to go upwards of $8

[33:49] to $900,000 uh yeah you don't have what

[33:51] numbers what numbers you're talking

[33:53] about the 100% for water commercial 50%

[33:57] well that's remember that's separate

[33:59] from yeah yeah I'm not I'm not I'm not

[34:02] [Music]

[34:04] even yeah so uh the 100% uh water and

[34:09] the

[34:11] 50% water uh that will bring us to you

[34:15] know we have to use uh the difference of

[34:18] $198,400 for f balance to balance that I

[34:23] believe that's how it works I going to

[34:25] have to look at it

[34:29] say but the water sore you know we'll

[34:31] take a look at that but we got to figure

[34:34] out the general fund now we're saying

[34:36] 114,000 for additional of the 50%

[34:39] increase right yes 250 100

[34:44] 25 okay now we talk about raising the

[34:47] other part of

[34:49] it no I'm

[34:51] not not on my side okay so then I don't

[34:56] know what the other is so so we're going

[34:58] to take that

[34:59] 114,000

[35:02] and and uh reduce appropriate fund

[35:06] balance if we add that revenue from

[35:09] three an additional

[35:11] [Music]

[35:16] 3.2 well not only reduce the fund

[35:19] balance I think we have suggestion in

[35:21] terms of of pushing

[35:24] back police rce the f from 4 4.1 to 4

[35:31] million if you get that additional

[35:33] revenue from the

[35:37] garbage can can we use that towards the the police over time and the

[35:46] fire over

[35:48] time split

[35:50] it if there is not if there is no other

[35:53] if there's no other um if there's no

[35:55] other suggested um

[35:57] on these vacancies then that's what I'm

[35:59] suggesting I think you brought it up

[36:01] last week to again I think we have to

[36:03] look at it as a big picture because we have numbers all over the place here

[36:07] so we'd have to see how it plugged in I

[36:08] mean I think several of us want to make

[36:11] sure that we're not cutting the police

[36:12] and fire over time um so I mean so so

[36:17] why don't we if you don't mind Mr farari

[36:19] just address these the

[36:24] water come right back

[36:28] uh can I say one more think about the

[36:30] garbage 39 50% you know that's gonna

[36:34] that's going to increase your budget let

[36:37] me just see where we are here let's see

[36:39] 52 to 52 to

[36:46] 61 so it's about 800,000 $800,000

[36:50] increase that if we go with the mayor's

[36:52] figure for the no no you go half with

[36:55] the mayor's figure go with the mayor's

[36:56] fig figures and you don't have to worry

[36:57] about

[37:00] [Applause]

[37:01] nothing I'm going go do water sore you

[37:04] guys figure out the rest right yeah I

[37:06] mean I I also still have major concern

[37:08] if we take too much money out of the

[37:10] reserve fund so that's another important

[37:11] figure that we have to look

[37:23] at we can we can continue discussion on the

[37:32] [Applause]

[37:33] [Music]

[37:55] vacancies

[38:17] how many positions there

[38:25] are

[51:54] e

[1:34:40] yeah please Mr you just want to walk us

[1:34:42] through the sewer first and then the

[1:34:44] water

[1:34:50] ches the proposed so what we're doing is

[1:34:54] with the sore we meter charges inside

[1:34:56] the city we're not doing any counil

[1:34:59] changes we're going with the mayor's

[1:35:01] proposal and then we're taking 50% of

[1:35:05] the mayor's proposal reducing it by

[1:35:08] 873,000 at 8.8

[1:35:11] million um and then we of course to

[1:35:14] offset that we're going to be using

[1:35:17] we're just a s we're using

[1:35:19] 873,000

[1:35:21] $734

[1:35:23] of fund balance to uh even the sore

[1:35:31] F the

[1:35:34] changes in the next

[1:35:50] page got water next so you

[1:35:53] guys with the um sewer fund there says

[1:35:58] 873,000

[1:36:00] in appropriate fund balance the new

[1:36:03] budget says

[1:36:06] 441 excuse

[1:36:14] me should be 873 I see say new budget

[1:36:20] 873

[1:36:26] 734 yeah sorry John thank you very much

[1:36:29] put that out for me the water is the

[1:36:30] same

[1:36:34] thingo the water is the same

[1:36:40] thing

[1:36:41] where counil

[1:36:45] changes should

[1:36:50] be

[1:36:59] you have water we don't have water you

[1:37:01] don't have it either I got it oh you're

[1:37:04] the only one that doesn't have is P

[1:37:07] Water I don't have that's down thank

[1:37:12] you and we need the mayor needs water

[1:37:15] also one

[1:37:18] side all that you can see the thing

[1:37:22] correct okay now all right somebody has

[1:37:25] one water extra because we only have

[1:37:26] sewer

[1:37:28] left it's like

[1:37:36] four John is on the water page yes yeah

[1:37:40] the same so you just have to spr that

[1:37:42] out put

[1:37:47] 19 yep yeah but the ultimate number is

[1:37:50] correct though the math is correct this

[1:37:54] oh the math is correct even with the new

[1:37:56] number no no no it wasn't on the

[1:38:06] SE

[1:38:20] changeid your

[1:38:23] [Music]

[1:38:27] phone right he's doing it he's doing it

[1:38:31] Miss ptoi just said he's doing it no I'm

[1:38:34] doing water first

[1:38:43] okay

[1:38:45] was see who does it

[1:38:49] first okay and this

[1:38:52] work why

[1:39:01] is 2 3 4 1

[1:39:05] 38

[1:39:17] 59 that's that's so this will be

[1:39:23] 8

[1:39:24] 8298

[1:39:27] 267 then this adds up to the same 2 3 41

[1:39:34] 380

[1:39:36] plus 575

[1:39:42] 42

[1:39:45] 5758

[1:39:47] 482 and then 198 405

[1:39:54] they came out a different number than I

[1:39:55] just did 2 3 41 better go use your

[1:39:57] spreadsheet

[1:39:59] anth I should have just added it by hand

[1:40:01] would have just been

[1:40:04] easier actually think that's what I'm

[1:40:06] going to

[1:40:09] do

[1:40:12] 8298 5 six seven so that works

[1:40:19] out

[1:40:21] so so we're just looking at the bunch of

[1:40:23] changes and the bunch of

[1:40:25] changes and then I I put the actual

[1:40:29] revenues over here show that it works

[1:40:39] out 78

[1:40:49] 48

[1:41:04] 14

[1:41:12] [Music]

[1:41:17] 15 15 16

[1:41:25] 24 124 38 487 yes yep they all they all

[1:41:31] good what did you get for the um water

[1:41:35] 8298

[1:41:37] 567

[1:41:39] 267 me too 8298 267 excuse me 267 267

[1:41:45] can't read my

[1:41:48] own so

[1:41:52] that again for

[1:41:54] me so let's start with the water the sewer water meter sales

[1:42:02] commercial we proposed budget was

[1:42:05] 2,341 380 we're proposing no changes now

[1:42:09] because we're using the May's commercial

[1:42:12] rate then the unmet sales which would be

[1:42:14] the

[1:42:15] homeowners uh the proposed was

[1:42:18] 596 5956 6 887 we're reducing that by

[1:42:23] half of what the the mayor's uh proposal

[1:42:26] was that comes to

[1:42:28] 19845 to bring the new budget to

[1:42:31] 57 5842 and then our appropriate fund

[1:42:35] balance is

[1:42:38] 8,405 that we'll be using for the water

[1:42:41] fund to make it make the pro budget

[1:42:49] even and you can see

[1:42:53] that P actual weon

[1:43:03] [Applause]

[1:43:05] changes propos equals the proposed

[1:43:12] budget the same with

[1:43:15] the so let spend a second on the um the

[1:43:18] fund balance that's basically 1.

[1:43:23] 1871 329 correct excuse me the fund

[1:43:28] balance for what water or soil yeah both

[1:43:31] together oh together yes so it's going

[1:43:34] to be

[1:43:36] 873 and 200,000 so 1. 871 229 uh

[1:43:42] 329 so what would that leave us for fund

[1:43:46] balance okay for

[1:43:48] uh I have that figures in

[1:44:03] for 800,000 we have 3

[1:44:07] million 2.8 million for sore at

[1:44:11] 800,000 it's going to leave us with U

[1:44:15] of un

[1:44:18] assigned about the million million

[1:44:21] 5 2.3 million5 and the water fund we

[1:44:26] have 2.3 million and 200,000 so it's

[1:44:31] about 2 million 2.1

[1:44:37] million I think I gave you guys all the

[1:44:39] F balances last time here I I had

[1:44:43] thought I had in my workbook but I think

[1:44:44] I left in the

[1:44:45] office all Pap this thing yeah yeah

[1:44:49] there you go

[1:44:51] can yeah thank you very much so uh for

[1:44:54] the water fund like you said the UN side

[1:44:55] is 2.2 million we going to take away

[1:44:58] 200,000 is going to be 2 million the

[1:44:59] sore fund uh it's 3.1 million it take

[1:45:03] 800,000 uh is that 2.3 million so a few

[1:45:08] years ago there were several big uh

[1:45:12] sewer issues how much just I don't

[1:45:15] remember the numbers what were those

[1:45:18] expenses just off roughly

[1:45:21] I mean uh well are you talking about the

[1:45:25] project that we did the sore water no

[1:45:27] like the there was that major break in

[1:45:30] one the major break uh off of 890 over

[1:45:34] there that was like 1.3 million which we

[1:45:37] use the reserves F uh the most recently

[1:45:40] was the the crack on Eastern Avenue that

[1:45:43] was 500,000 anytime we have a break it's

[1:45:46] a minimum of 250,000 if it go if it goes

[1:45:49] below 10 ft if it we have to go 10 fet

[1:45:51] or more where we're hit in the million

[1:45:53] dollar

[1:45:56] Mark so then we would have what did you

[1:45:59] say about a million dollars left

[1:46:03] correct two two two million and I'm

[1:46:06] strictly talking the the sewer yeah two

[1:46:11] 2 million in water and about uh 2.3

[1:46:14] million in s left wait because we got

[1:46:18] 3.1 minus 800,000 right

[1:46:21] didn't you say 1 million before no you know when I gave you the water

[1:46:41] sore funds I I also wrote you that you

[1:46:43] know it's all the reason why we're

[1:46:45] looking especially for the sore for the

[1:46:47] increase was due to the the debt payment

[1:46:49] for the right you know which over

[1:46:53] million a year for the next 30 Years

[1:46:55] right

[1:46:56] that's the simple number is you know we

[1:47:01] the simple number is we spent 50 some

[1:47:03] million dollar doing all the

[1:47:05] upgrades we had $21 million in Grants

[1:47:09] now we owe $30

[1:47:11] million it's approximately a million a

[1:47:15] year most of that is zero interest so

[1:47:17] it's a good overall financing package

[1:47:20] but what you're coming back is now

[1:47:22] you're going to say in the budget I

[1:47:23] proposed which takes that into account

[1:47:27] of maintaining our fund balance so when

[1:47:29] we have events we're going to have cash

[1:47:31] to be able to deal with it and you're

[1:47:34] going to cut a million dollars out which

[1:47:37] would be the annual payment on that debt

[1:47:41] these numbers are big but the actual

[1:47:43] cost of the resident is a small amount

[1:47:46] to get a very high quality source of

[1:47:48] water and a very high

[1:47:51] quality uh Wastewater system that serves

[1:47:55] the residents and also positions as

[1:47:58] stability and economic growth going

[1:48:13] forward I don't want to be negative here

[1:48:15] but we I don't want to end up you know

[1:48:17] my time here is is coming close and I

[1:48:21] don't see the position of the city

[1:48:23] happen what happened to Fint Michigan

[1:48:24] where you're just going to have to take

[1:48:26] water right out of the Mohawk or dump

[1:48:28] right into the Mohawk because you're

[1:48:30] going have to save money because you

[1:48:31] can't can't afford the to run the prod

[1:48:33] what you got to run well that's part of

[1:48:36] consent order things that we're doing so

[1:48:38] it's not like we're doing it as

[1:48:41] Choice correct we need a

[1:48:45] compliance of state federal

[1:48:49] standards

[1:48:50] so Anthony you just want to walk us the

[1:48:52] general

[1:48:54] fund I'm confused

[1:48:57] with okay so uh really the only changes

[1:49:00] that we made since last time was the the

[1:49:02] commercial waste free we increased it by

[1:49:06] $4,125 and and what we did is we add the

[1:49:11] revenue 114,000 we reduced police

[1:49:13] overtime by the

[1:49:16] 56,000 whatever it was from 350 to 29 to

[1:49:20] 937 and they fire to um by 292,000 so we took the 114,000 split it between the

[1:49:28] police and fire over

[1:49:43] timebody

[1:49:46] [Music]

[1:49:48] down I had thought

[1:49:51] no no this

[1:49:54] is this one here you have an extra

[1:49:57] should be I

[1:50:01] [Music]

[1:50:04] made anybody has

[1:50:09] [Music]

[1:50:14] extra what are you looking for extra I

[1:50:17] think they're looking for an extra of

[1:50:18] this one yes you have it

[1:50:23] nope all

[1:50:25] right all right here you

[1:50:38] can all right anybody

[1:50:43] have

[1:50:44] okay it's move it's 10 what time is it

[1:50:48] um guys we're going to be upstairs

[1:50:51] that will be up soon can we just for this

[1:50:57] Oni so like you say the only increase

[1:50:59] from the last time was

[1:51:02] $4,125 that increasing the commercial uh

[1:51:06] waste fee uh and we did that we split

[1:51:08] that in half and uh whatever that what

[1:51:11] is that 50

[1:51:13] 57,000 and we uh increased the police

[1:51:16] over time and fire over time at 57,000

[1:51:22] but I when I was going into the office

[1:51:24] like I I told like I had thought we

[1:51:26] talked about increasing waste by 50% I

[1:51:29] wasn't

[1:51:31] sure no I did not put that it was 50% on

[1:51:35] Commercial the regular W too no because

[1:51:38] if you did that that would that would

[1:51:40] you know solve a lot of your

[1:51:43] problems and

[1:51:48] consistencies

[1:51:51] I'm not sure if we can get

[1:51:53] this 9

[1:51:55] [Music]

[1:51:57] minutes no try want to try to just pass

[1:52:00] the M's

[1:52:02] budget we do that again I would be in

[1:52:04] favor of

[1:52:08] that you're old this week you're old

[1:52:11] this week

[1:52:14] um Friday afternoon Friday afternoon is

[1:52:18] everybody El um

[1:52:20] complete this week John no I I'm

[1:52:26] out

[1:52:28] speak

[1:52:30] you I'm G Friday I'm back Friday

[1:52:34] afternoon go ahead please sorry so is

[1:52:38] every I just want to ask if three people

[1:52:39] were back on Saturday I know that sounds

[1:52:46] like is everybody good on that Saturday

[1:52:49] thank can ex work one make chair please

[1:52:53] be to to do it with five of us six of

[1:52:58] us

[1:53:00] back morning suppose go ahead you have your hand up I just want to

[1:53:07] know Miss the T said it had to be

[1:53:10] afternoon soly afteron oh not morning oh

[1:53:14] morning

[1:53:16] yes on Saturday yes you could do morning

[1:53:19] or early afterno

[1:53:20] I can do I can do either can we can we

[1:53:23] meet at at um

[1:53:28] 10 everybody yeah I can I just make it

[1:53:32] work make it work check please check

[1:53:36] your I just don't

[1:53:38] know nor yeah I'm

[1:53:46] sorry I can do it

[1:53:48] any

[1:53:55] oh 11 11 work better or early afternoon

[1:54:00] I need to be up 11 this Saturday or

[1:54:02] later go ahead please later

[1:54:06] i00 all

[1:54:08] right

[1:54:10] 118 18th right Saturday yeah is everybody good Saturday 11:

[1:54:23] a.m. yes you good M good yeah can do it

[1:54:28] all right so we'll recess the finance

[1:54:30] committee to Saturday

[1:54:33] November is it 18 18 18 at 11:

[1:54:37] a.m. second second all in favor I thank

[1:54:48] you yeah

[1:54:50] all

[1:54:56] right

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