[0:00] some of the joining communities have

[0:02] more restricted access to their

[0:05] facilities some charge fees uh the city

[0:09] has not done it and uh some of us were

[0:12] approaching IT staffing level more of an

[0:15] open mind uh it's a new facility it

[0:18] really looks very impressive uh the

[0:21] weather is also going to be slightly

[0:22] warmer than we probably like so I assume

[0:25] the utilization in the first days is

[0:28] going to

[0:30] uh T some of the limits to handle it and

[0:34] then we'll just see how it goes uh from

[0:38] that uh in terms of the actual hours and

[0:42] Staffing but some of the fees other

[0:45] access issues there still the prodct of

[0:47] the city council and uh not like for the

[0:51] Central Park pool but the uh rest of the

[0:55] pools in the city or some of the other

[0:57] uh facilities that we offer

[1:03] who's

[1:04] next yeah I was going to say yes it does

[1:07] look beautiful and I think that um

[1:09] really proud of this project I I would

[1:11] say um sustainability of of the project

[1:16] is going to be really key so I guess you

[1:19] know what would be ideal for me and I'm

[1:21] saying this without you know really any

[1:23] um information to support at this time

[1:25] to the m point we're going to there is

[1:26] going to be a

[1:28] level kind of seeing how things are

[1:30] going and then being responsive to what

[1:31] we see but um I you know my initial

[1:35] thought would be not to charge residents

[1:37] of the city but people who don't live

[1:39] here who are coming here to you know to

[1:43] will be there be some small fee there

[1:45] that's probably not and I know that

[1:46] happens in other municipalities um the

[1:49] only thought thing would be I know it

[1:51] cost the city uh something to enforce

[1:54] those fees and like all like so I'll

[1:55] just you know look at that cost benefit

[1:57] piece there but that's what I would

[2:01] be comfortable

[2:03] with okay mfield so um do

[2:08] we has the parks department come up with

[2:10] anything that they' even considering um

[2:12] what those fees might be and who would

[2:14] be charged um is one of my questions and

[2:17] the other part is there signage that you

[2:19] know rules of the pool essentially is

[2:22] that all in place for this weekend I

[2:26] hope so you don't know hav been up to

[2:30] look at they tell me the signages up

[2:35] uh and uh currently we don't charge

[2:39] anything Mr Farley's Point uh there is a

[2:43] cost in terms of collecting that and

[2:46] some of our neighboring communities are

[2:48] far more restrictive in terms of access

[2:51] to their

[2:53] facilities and so we we'll consider

[2:56] what's what's reasonable for us to do

[2:57] but I have to agree that um to charge

[3:00] residents I don't yeah people you know

[3:04] um because people are really looking

[3:05] forward to it and they're not looking

[3:06] forward to like being sto at the gate

[3:08] for a dollar whatever it's going to be

[3:10] yeah I was I actually also would support

[3:12] not charging residents I just wasn't

[3:14] sure if we were going to have a

[3:15] non-resident a non-resident fee but I

[3:18] like the idea of you know opening and

[3:20] see how things go um in terms of

[3:22] Staffing are we all set with the

[3:24] lifeguards and all that we will be by

[3:27] the time we open okay and then oh Mr Toro yes

[3:34] um so residents absolutely children free

[3:39] um no charge um how do they prove

[3:42] they're a resident folks don't have a

[3:44] license and maybe they don't have a um

[3:46] an ID where we looking for the for the

[3:49] Youth to provide a student ID um to get

[3:53] in because they might have one from

[3:55] school so what happens um Saturday the

[3:59] gates open

[4:02] well it's up to the C yeah we have

[4:05] generally used student IDs from the

[4:09] school district in past summers for

[4:11] access to Central Park Pool and the

[4:15] other facilities assume that that's

[4:17] going to continue okay City the past has

[4:20] had a

[4:22] recreation ID that was uh used for the

[4:27] tennis courts the golf course and other

[4:30] facilities that had uh shifted so that

[4:35] even though there's fee structures on

[4:36] the books for the ten courts those are

[4:39] not collected uh the golf course set up

[4:43] is where there is a fee structure that

[4:44] is uh 100% enforced that becomes a self-

[4:48] sustaining entity MH we used to get a a

[4:51] photo at the place in Central Park where

[4:54] the AL um we used to be able to get a

[4:57] resident photo there for for the golf

[4:59] course and other things that we were

[5:00] participating in city um so say um you

[5:03] know a young child shows up with their

[5:05] mom and their mom doesn't have anything

[5:07] this weekend can they bring the niag Mok

[5:09] Bill I just thinking I sometimes you

[5:11] bring that to um to the golf course to

[5:15] prove you're a resident you know a bill

[5:17] so I just you know want to make sure

[5:19] everyone that's entitled to get in there

[5:21] to swim this weekend and get in to swim

[5:24] so well but this weekend we're not

[5:26] asking anybody for anything right is

[5:28] that correct okay

[5:32] the having said that the Boys and Girls

[5:34] Club is going to use the same procedures

[5:36] that they used last year in Central Park

[5:39] where they still have

[5:41] to uh validate the number of people who

[5:45] are actually in the pool area because

[5:48] that dictates how many lifeguards we

[5:50] have to have on duty and so they have

[5:53] collected the student ID or some

[5:57] counting procedure as people come into

[5:59] the the facility and that will still be

[6:02] used just as it was uh in Prior years

[6:06] but we're not looking to restrict

[6:08] anybody in terms of their access other

[6:11] than there may be a quantity issue where

[6:14] uh we would limit people because the

[6:16] capacity has been exceeded to match with

[6:18] lifeguards that makes

[6:21] sense Mr Williams but I'd also like to

[6:23] comment so to miss uh D Toro's Point

[6:26] like of how do you manage that fee

[6:27] structure and the collection of it I

[6:29] don't know if I agree well I don't agree

[6:35] but doesn't agree either I love that

[6:41] quote my train thought with

[6:44] theur um uh excuse me so one with the feast structures um

[6:54] wow my

[6:56] fault best

[6:58] friend yeah no someone else has a

[7:00] question maybe it'll come back maybe

[7:02] it'll come back to you Mr M yeah the

[7:06] hours of operation currently what are

[7:08] the hours for the pools that we have

[7:10] currently in the contract I believe it's

[7:13] like 12:30 to 6:30

[7:17] 12:30 they do some swiming

[7:20] lessons in the morning before that so it

[7:24] wouldn't be it couldn't be open on a

[7:25] restricted

[7:27] basis Central are we talking the

[7:32] central I think he's

[7:35] ready oh sorry one second Mr Williams so

[7:38] 12:30 to 6:30 for the current pool that

[7:40] we have so we're now looking to have the

[7:43] same time slot for the Central Park Pool

[7:46] we're looking more of early

[7:48] morning no those are the public hours

[7:52] there's some swim lessons that they have

[7:56] scheduled before the opens the General

[7:58] Public and in terms of security um we're

[8:02] talking about um cameras and en personal

[8:05] security is that will be available

[8:11] yes okay um Mr Williams are you yep okay

[8:17] so say I wanted to also just have a

[8:19] reminder and correct me if I'm wrong Mr

[8:21] Mayor uh the emphasis with using a

[8:24] considerable amount of the or dollars to

[8:28] create a new resource was to help with

[8:30] the exploding maintenance fees to where

[8:33] it currently was in

[8:37] effect say that again where the tal Park

[8:39] Pool currently was it was just a

[8:42] difficult uh resource to manage just due

[8:44] to the the the Aging filtration system

[8:48] uh and among other issues with it being

[8:50] closely uh near the some of the animals

[8:53] that live around there so wanting to re

[8:56] uh move it should help with

[9:00] controlling some of those maintenance

[9:01] and and preventative maintenance costs

[9:03] in theory to some degree we basically

[9:07] had no filtration system on the original

[9:11] pool it was refilled every day it's our

[9:14] ability to

[9:15] generate uh very large quantities of

[9:18] high quality water at a very low

[9:21] price uh

[9:23] so some of that uh will be reduced but

[9:28] this pool

[9:29] by its nature where you're recirculating

[9:32] the water you do have filtration systems

[9:34] better controls there will be uh more of

[9:37] a maintenance issue in terms of people

[9:40] monitoring uh the systems

[9:44] and uh again there will be some upkeep

[9:47] on those systems to maintain the high

[9:49] quality of water and uh the overall

[9:52] character of the

[9:55] facility I think um one thing I just

[9:58] want to add just from going up there a

[10:00] few times this past week um remember

[10:03] that part of the project also had to do

[10:05] with the lighting and the roadway and

[10:08] parking access um it looks like there's

[10:11] about 36 additional parking spots I I

[10:14] was trying to count them as I was

[10:15] walking so I didn't get an exact number

[10:17] but um the lighting is going to really I

[10:21] just feel very significantly um increase

[10:24] some safety um at night time in that

[10:26] part of the that I mean this is just me

[10:29] and anecdotally saying but I mean it

[10:31] looks really great so I encourage folks

[10:33] to go up there uh and check that out but

[10:36] I just it's it's world class and mean

[10:39] there's no doubt when you see it and so

[10:41] I just really am hoping that whatever we

[10:44] can do security wise um we'll you know

[10:48] help keep the the buildings the bath

[10:50] house is just fabulous looking um I

[10:53] won't be here tomorrow I mean everyone

[10:55] knows that there is a it's tomorrow

[10:57] morning I believe is the uh ribbon f

[11:00] um so I hope that folks can get up there

[11:02] uh for that as well so Mr Williams so

[11:06] I'd say two points one Mr Mayor if you

[11:08] wouldn't mind speaking I've heard myself

[11:10] I imagine it's the same for other

[11:11] council members people have walked up

[11:13] definitely uh laed at the new facility

[11:16] it's going to be there and like that's

[11:17] only parking there so I know this is the

[11:20] first phase of the reconfiguration of

[11:22] the park but then uh second I wanted to

[11:25] just point out I know there have been

[11:27] ongoing conversations now about security

[11:29] I think part of it is also challenging

[11:32] the community there are often times

[11:34] comments of this is why we can't have

[11:35] nice things and I want to ensure that

[11:37] there's also an equal responsibility

[11:39] placed on our community residents of we

[11:41] can continue to make these Investments

[11:43] not only in our Renovations of

[11:45] properties throughout the building but

[11:47] also making sure that the city is and

[11:49] remains economically viable but if we

[11:51] are are chasing ourselves with having

[11:54] additional costs such as vandalism uh

[11:58] that makes it difficult to continue

[11:59] these types of efforts so I know that

[12:01] there are preventive ways you go about

[12:03] that IE surveillance cameras and also

[12:05] with maybe increased police uh um uh

[12:09] patrols throughout the area but but I

[12:11] want to ensure to Mr um Farley's Point

[12:15] let's let's see how it is and then

[12:17] respond rather than putting in place

[12:19] some safeguards that might not

[12:20] necessarily be

[12:22] needed yeah I think I think that's what

[12:24] the mayor was um indicating in his

[12:26] opening remarks that that would be what

[12:28] we could trying to do so I appreciate Mr

[12:31] Carly and Mr Williams following up on

[12:33] that Mr Toro um and I'd like to up to

[12:37] you of course your committee bring it

[12:39] back in two weeks and think about how

[12:40] we're you know my biggest concern is is Mom or Dad can't bring

[12:46] me I'm Grandma's from out of town and

[12:49] now she you know she so it's up to the

[12:52] council you know to work on to decide on

[12:56] how we're going to move forward with a

[12:58] fee structure and and things like that

[13:01] actually the fee structure part of it

[13:02] should really come out of the its

[13:03] administrative function so they it's

[13:06] like with the golf course they we don't

[13:07] create the fees they come to us they

[13:09] create the fees and then we say you know

[13:12] yes or no so really it would be the

[13:14] parks department we don't really have

[13:16] the capacity to do that it would really

[13:19] need to be the folks who work here on on

[13:21] a you know daily basis and you know

[13:23] obviously we can provide suggestions but

[13:25] creating the fees and all of that is

[13:27] something that with this Administration

[13:29] way to

[13:30] function and how it's done with all the

[13:32] other parts with the life cards with all

[13:34] of that great other question well the

[13:38] end result is solely the proga of the

[13:39] city council so you know one example for

[13:43] this swimming pool is it is now designed

[13:46] for competitive swimming events

[13:50] yeah those type of things may increase

[13:54] our staffing costs or monitoring it so

[13:57] do you want to have those free for City

[14:01] students uh would there be a fee for any

[14:05] group that's coming in doing a

[14:06] competitive swimming event uh do we only

[14:11] charge people outside of the city so

[14:15] there

[14:16] are things there again in terms of the

[14:19] policy decision it's only the

[14:21] prerogative of the council the policy

[14:23] yes but like the fees I don't know how

[14:24] we would you know or even how to how to

[14:27] like do like with the boys and girls

[14:28] club they came up with the process of

[14:30] how people um show ID and and how to do

[14:34] um and get in so because we hired them

[14:36] to uh to do that

[14:38] so I would think I don't know there's um

[14:41] I know there's not a Parks director

[14:42] right now but I'm assuming there's other

[14:44] staff that would still be able to um you

[14:47] know provide us with some gu guidance on

[14:52] where we start with this I I think

[14:54] that's a good suggestion um especially

[14:56] when we start talking about tournaments

[14:58] um and what will happen because again

[15:00] it's definitely set up for

[15:02] that as well so that would be

[15:05] outstanding if we if we could have 10es

[15:08] i' go wouldn't be a be in

[15:10] one so can we ask that um we get a

[15:14] recommendation sure um around some of

[15:16] these policies just like tennis um

[15:20] although it's not being enforced but it

[15:22] will

[15:23] be I think you all know how I feel about

[15:25] the tennis uh fees so um yeah I think

[15:28] that and and the same with the golf I

[15:30] mean we do get that presented to us um

[15:33] for discussion and and approval so um is

[15:36] that something that we can do okay thank

[15:40] you um Mr Farley just what a good

[15:43] problem to have that we have this

[15:45] beautiful asset in the middle of our

[15:47] city that's going to bring people um to

[15:50] see how amazing our city is so I just

[15:52] it's good it's a good problem to have I

[15:54] look forward to working with the councel

[15:56] to help figure it out good stuff I agree

[15:59] thank you is there any other business to

[16:01] come for health and

[16:03] Recreation okay I look for a motion to

[16:06] adjourn so move um

[16:10] second second okay all in favor I I

[16:14] thank you thank you I'd like to call the

[16:16] order City development and planning we

[16:18] have 14 items on the agenda the first

[16:21] item is to issue the issuance of re

[16:24] revocable permit number

[16:26] 685 to social hospitality group Mr

[16:34] wall AP I left my packet on my desk so

[16:37] I'm just going to go through from memory

[16:39] on all these so the 685 social on state

[16:43] that was a permit that was brought to

[16:44] you prev the insurance and the property

[16:46] owner so we were working with the

[16:49] property owner on making sure that all

[16:51] what's that you no I wor about just um

[16:55] and so now the applicant is the owner

[16:57] and the names are the simp more uh as

[16:59] what's going to be on the insurance

[17:01] which was the issue so we should be okay

[17:03] with the issuance of this part

[17:06] now there any

[17:08] questions move second all in favor I

[17:13] thank you item number two the award and

[17:15] bid contract for the Simons Lake wall

[17:18] restoration yep um this was a project

[17:21] that is uh an ARA funded project as well

[17:24] as a Sam Grant funded project um it is

[17:27] for the restoration of the historic wall

[17:29] at simons's Park um the project was

[17:32] scoped uniquely where the city will be

[17:34] purchasing and providing materials and

[17:36] the contract is essentially for labor

[17:39] only um so the idea is this uh the

[17:42] company Jaan construction out of New

[17:44] York um City they will be coming up and

[17:47] Performing essentially masonry only work

[17:49] to repoint um modify the wall repair the

[17:52] wall and install pre-cast concrete caps

[17:55] the city will purchase the preast

[17:58] concrete caps and then the needed mortar

[18:01] and uh grout for the for the project we

[18:04] did meet with them on site uh we did

[18:06] call five references because we weren't

[18:08] familiar with them and um they seemed

[18:12] like they they had their act together

[18:13] they have worked for other state

[18:15] agencies um they are working in almany

[18:17] right now um it's a small family-owned

[18:20] company uh they are an MBE company and

[18:23] they're looking forward to doing work in

[18:24] the city uh we actually took them into a

[18:27] couple areas to look at other project in

[18:29] the city because to have uh Masons is

[18:32] something that is a skill that we we're

[18:34] looking for for this kind of stuff so

[18:36] we're comfortable awarding it uh the

[18:38] price was competitive

[18:40] and we'll see and this money is already

[18:43] in the ARA line for this

[18:47] project Mr can you just tell us a little

[18:49] bit about the timeline for this work

[18:51] well the timeline they are ready to go

[18:53] because they're labor only so what we're

[18:55] doing right now is I'm working with

[18:56] Sarah and purchasing on the cat

[18:59] what we were concerned about was the

[19:01] costs we didn't want to order 420 caps

[19:05] and then this number come in out of

[19:07] budget and then we have caps and no

[19:09] labor so uh we wanted to try to get it

[19:12] so we have this number we already had

[19:14] the quotes from a local company that

[19:16] specializes in pre-cast and we don't

[19:18] need 420 caps tomorrow we just need them

[19:21] to start making the Caps so Sarah's

[19:23] already contacted their person uh

[19:26] earlier last later last week about

[19:29] getting into the caps and then the other

[19:31] materials are common shell materials so

[19:33] right now we're just waiting on the

[19:35] Caps well I I don't have a schedule

[19:37] we're hoping fall I don't think this is

[19:38] a project you want to do in the dead of

[19:40] the summer because you know you're

[19:42] exposed you're out and uh I don't I

[19:44] don't think you know you want to do

[19:45] something more 100 but if we can get

[19:47] some of the caps on we're going to store

[19:48] the Caps uh right next to C and's yard

[19:51] there uh in stams and then just start

[19:53] picking away at and working forward they

[19:56] anticipate once they start it's going to

[19:58] be around probably I think a sixe

[19:59] project for okay so

[20:03] thank any other

[20:05] questions a motion so second all in

[20:10] favor item number three award and bid award bid and contract for the

[20:15] northberry street Plum station exterior

[20:18] so this is another uh harpa funed

[20:20] project so as you're aware we have a new

[20:22] northberry pump station uh that has put

[20:25] the existing or the previous North fairy

[20:27] Pump Station uh as a a abandoned city

[20:30] facility the building is historically

[20:32] significant and there was money approved

[20:33] to make sure that it does not get into a

[20:35] state of disrepair um the building is

[20:39] okay presently but it's not great so

[20:41] what the funding for this building is

[20:43] essentially seal the envelope we're

[20:44] going to be doing the windows similar

[20:46] that we did at City Hall removing the

[20:48] windows restoring the windows replacing

[20:50] any Rock uh reglazing the glass putting

[20:52] the back we're going to be replacing the

[20:54] roof um the reason for the roof is that

[20:56] the roof right now has over a dozen

[20:58] penetrations for various Vents and

[21:02] systems to come through because it was a

[21:03] pump house we have the vent we're going

[21:05] to remove all of those vents fill in

[21:08] where we can with concrete steel and

[21:10] masonry and then do one flat roof with

[21:13] no penetrations so that will really seal

[21:15] the roof off a lot better to go to the

[21:17] parit we're going to remove all of the

[21:19] stucko from the building cuz if you look

[21:21] at the building the building is a series

[21:22] of Patchwork cuz stuckle was put on in

[21:25] various years so we're going to remove

[21:27] all of the stuckle down to the masonry

[21:29] block and then redo the stucco paint the

[21:32] building so it'll look from the outside

[21:34] like a preserved building the inside is

[21:37] a different story but from the outside

[21:38] it'll be weather tight and preserved and

[21:41] I know that the Stockade Association is

[21:42] working on lining up funding to try to

[21:45] address the interior of building but

[21:47] this money is for the exterior of the

[21:49] building have we already done some work

[21:51] on this and started this process any

[21:53] work at all in the ex area no not not to

[21:56] mind out as Paul might have years ago

[21:58] but to mind know it's just it's there

[22:00] it's just a building and once again is

[22:02] one of the tricky situations that we're

[22:04] trying to work with Stockade is the

[22:06] reason that we built a new building or

[22:08] one of the many reasons was is that that

[22:10] building was determined to not be um

[22:13] cost effective to flood proof because it

[22:15] is in the flood plane so we built a new

[22:18] building that is flood resilient um so

[22:21] this is fine and I know that we haven't

[22:23] had any issues there but making

[22:24] significant investments into the

[22:26] building will be a complex subject going

[22:28] forward because that is why we abandoned

[22:30] the

[22:31] building okay any any questions all

[22:35] right on a motion so second all in favor

[22:39] I thank you and uh the fourth item is

[22:44] city council to assume role of Seeker

[22:46] lead Agency for the mobile haror I have

[22:49] a quick I'll try to make a brief just

[22:50] presentation to just show you where we

[22:52] are with this because it's part of the

[22:53] process okay sure

[23:13] okay so I don't know how many of you are

[23:16] aware of this project I'm sure you're

[23:18] all aware of in some part of me but it

[23:19] is a rather older project um that was

[23:22] done preco and it is something that we

[23:26] have been pushing along slow and

[23:27] steadily sense then due to all the

[23:30] development really at Mohawk Harbor so

[23:32] um just to go through I I'll be quicker

[23:35] than this but we're going to I'm

[23:37] presenting it here I'm hoping to catch

[23:38] some publicity from possibly the the

[23:40] paper just to get it out there what

[23:42] we're doing we're going to have a public

[23:43] meeting next week at the Landing which

[23:45] is an official public meeting uh and

[23:48] then hopefully from there you know we'll

[23:50] get some input and then we're just going

[23:51] to move forward with the process of the

[23:54] project so the overview is um the city

[23:57] receiv CFA br in 2019 for the creation

[24:00] of a dot gameway in Plaza with path so

[24:04] it says um the idea was to create an

[24:06] access point to the river I don't know

[24:08] if many people realize it but even

[24:10] though we are a river front Community we

[24:12] do not have any docks or points of

[24:14] access to the river other than the parks

[24:16] so it's kind of unique when you go to

[24:18] other uh Riverside communities they

[24:20] usually have docks and we do not um

[24:22] there was a talk um several years ago um

[24:25] about putting a dock in Riverside Park

[24:27] but uh we ended up being controversial

[24:30] people didn't want the idea of a dock

[24:32] down there so this is a dock with an

[24:34] Upland Plaza and I will get into the

[24:35] location a little bit right here you'll

[24:37] see the location is we have uh an arena

[24:41] we have the future hotel which improved

[24:43] um parking lot would be here parking lot

[24:45] Arena and then that is our Plaza and

[24:47] those are our docks and that is the RPI

[24:49] research facility so as I'll get into in

[24:52] a little bit there's a reason for all

[24:53] the delay um the project 2016 we put in

[24:57] some access

[24:59] 2020 we got the grants with this concy

[25:02] match of

[25:03] 15% um that's typical on these kind of

[25:06] projects you know

[25:07] 855s uh City released to design an RFP

[25:10] in 2021 after Co working with MJ and

[25:13] what's called waterfront Solutions so MJ

[25:16] is essentially handling all the Civil

[25:17] work and then Waterfront Solutions is

[25:19] handling the dot work they're a DOT

[25:21] company they also did the harbor for G

[25:25] um did a bath metric survey that is a

[25:27] survey of the river read uh in 2022 the

[25:30] project was paused and that was we we

[25:33] rushed we got to a point and then it was

[25:35] Aquatic Center I was like okay where's

[25:37] the Aquatic Center going to go and it

[25:38] was never mind not an aquatic center

[25:40] arena it's like okay where's the arena

[25:42] going to go so we actually had a spot uh

[25:46] picked out and in South there I can show

[25:48] you where we actually were going to put

[25:50] the the docks here mhm um and we had a

[25:54] plan laid out and then the arena came

[25:56] forward and it was weight and so we

[25:58] didn't want to move it anymore so we

[26:00] waited until planning approval and

[26:02] everything was set with the arena and

[26:05] then we found out nice little spot in

[26:07] the middle the Nic thing about this

[26:09] location is that we are by a turnaround

[26:12] we're by parking the glassi group is

[26:14] said that that would be public parking

[26:16] they will allow people during the day to

[26:18] park there uh you know not event

[26:20] notwithstanding but you know there

[26:21] probably won't be event 24/7 and we are

[26:24] directly adjacent to the Alo Heritage

[26:26] Trail so this will both be a Overlook on

[26:29] the trail and the landing and we'll have

[26:31] parking and a drop off um you know be

[26:34] honest this has to be publicly

[26:36] accessible and probably get into that

[26:38] but people who know the area I do not

[26:40] see this going to be a full access dock

[26:44] for recreational purposes the reason

[26:46] being is of the gang way the gang way is

[26:48] going to be quite long to get down from

[26:50] the shore to the water and across the

[26:53] street by the lighthouse if you're

[26:54] familiar with the area it's the easiest

[26:56] launch in the area there's nothing

[26:59] easier than that you park you launch

[27:01] it's 10 ft you don't go down the gameway

[27:03] so I think that for people wanting to

[27:05] see the river and be involved and be by

[27:06] the water and fishing and all that but I

[27:08] really don't think that people will

[27:10] kayak and Hike their kayaks down and

[27:12] things like that unless it's for the

[27:14] novelty of it because it is it is a

[27:16] slope um so the project the one stage

[27:19] like we said is the plaza which we're

[27:21] calling the plaza The Landing it's small

[27:23] 5,000 ft it will have lights it will

[27:25] have signs benches we are looking at

[27:28] very attractive welcom is concy because

[27:30] you have to understand that this is

[27:32] going to be now a new entrance way for

[27:35] the city this is going to be a Gateway

[27:37] we are looking at you know people who

[27:39] are called Loopers who come from all

[27:40] around the country this is going to be

[27:42] allowing them to stop and go to

[27:44] connected so we really want to make sure

[27:45] that we have a nice anchored site here

[27:48] that shows you where they are also we

[27:50] are talking with a Riverfront Cruise

[27:52] company that does small Riverfront

[27:54] cruises of 40 people on boats you know

[27:56] we're limited by the locks so they would

[27:58] come in so this this is something that's

[28:00] important we're trying to make sure that

[28:02] we're working and we're also

[28:03] incorporating this into our dri wayf

[28:05] finding because that also is going to

[28:07] connect to downtown so there's a lot of

[28:09] irons in the fire with this this will

[28:10] have water this will have sanitary we

[28:12] are not getting into fuel fueling is a

[28:15] whole other animal we're going to allow

[28:16] the yacht club in places like that to

[28:18] handle fueling uh parking look say we be

[28:20] at the um there's a better idea you see

[28:23] the passenger drop off the trail and

[28:26] then the U the area itself we are going

[28:28] to have electricity you're going to need

[28:30] a large Transformer we'll try to

[28:32] landscape that make it as pretty as

[28:34] possible these are some of the things

[28:35] that we were looking at you know just to

[28:37] say ventes that we are actually moving

[28:39] away from the arch but they took a

[28:41] picture of it we are moving away from

[28:42] the arch style um one of the things to

[28:44] point out is uh this one right here uh

[28:48] I've been to marinas before uh my family

[28:52] and that is something that we are going

[28:54] to have to talk about and discuss going

[28:56] forward is what is Public Access what is

[28:59] not Public Access I'm proposing that the

[29:02] docks are publicly available from a time

[29:05] to a time and that it is posted and that

[29:09] after a certain time it could be sundown

[29:12] most likely uh the gate is locked and if

[29:15] you have a boat there you're have a code

[29:18] because one of the things that you're

[29:19] going to see is if you actually look at

[29:21] the river sometimes you will see million

[29:24] doll boats multi-million dollar boats

[29:26] and we want to make it safe environment

[29:28] that somebody feels and the voting

[29:30] Community is a very tight Community

[29:32] especially with internet social media

[29:34] forums uh we really are looking for it's

[29:37] open it's signed it's a public amenity

[29:39] and the sunlight come on down and then

[29:41] at night time you know what we're going

[29:43] to close it off we don't want people you

[29:45] know down on the docks it is a little

[29:47] tough to see we are going to have

[29:48] cameras in security we are working at

[29:50] getting a dock management company but I

[29:52] just don't want you to think that is

[29:54] something that we're looking at is uh uh

[29:56] and it's very common at commercial

[29:58] marinas with this type of public um so

[30:02] the project just it's two projects it's

[30:04] two contracts that's what we're saying

[30:05] to Dock and it's a plaza so they're

[30:08] awarded differently they'll have to be

[30:09] progressed differently so we've already

[30:12] talked with the permitting we've got a

[30:14] lot of the permitting done this is the

[30:16] secret portion we're now going to reach

[30:17] out to all the involved agencies and

[30:19] talk to them about making sure that

[30:20] they're okay with it we have uh stamp

[30:23] plans uh right now we're just going

[30:25] through all of the finals on it for the

[30:27] doc company

[30:28] um and then we'll be done with seeker

[30:31] and then hopefully we issue a

[30:32] declaration later this year and then

[30:34] we're out to bid like it says in August

[30:37] we look in August we're going to have a

[30:38] lot of manufacturing time because these

[30:40] are custle very large docs uh and then

[30:43] as it shows doc delivery and do

[30:44] construction of next year we are one of

[30:48] the things just to also point out that

[30:50] we are struggling right now with

[30:52] schedule and when docks go in and when

[30:54] they wouldn't go in we are looking at if

[30:56] we can get docks in in this June July

[31:00] time frame it might make it worth it to

[31:02] put them in next year the arena will be

[31:04] substantially complete you're going to

[31:06] be working inside but we do not want to

[31:08] put docks in towards the end of the

[31:10] season because it's a lot of work to put

[31:12] them in you're using them for 3 weeks

[31:15] then we close so the timing of it is

[31:17] fluid of when we're really going to get

[31:18] it in uh the plaza similarly Plaza a lot

[31:22] of this is going to be uh driven by the

[31:24] arena which is adjacent CU we don't want

[31:26] to build a plaza and have a construction

[31:28] site around it we like to do and the

[31:29] hotel hasn't even started yet so we have

[31:33] bi-weekly coordination meetings with

[31:35] gesi and the hotel and these are the

[31:37] things that we're tracking so right now

[31:39] say it's a similar path but this doesn't

[31:41] have as long as the lead time is

[31:42] constructing of a dock uh and I guess in

[31:46] conclusion I guess is just want to get

[31:48] out there that we're going to have a

[31:49] public meeting Wednesday the 26 4:30 at

[31:52] the Landing Hotel we chose the Landing

[31:54] Hotel because we were looking for a

[31:55] place on site somewhere we're trying to

[31:58] get people involved the problem with a

[32:00] project like this is It's essentially

[32:01] for transient people um you know the

[32:04] people that will be using the facility

[32:05] the most are not residents uh residents

[32:08] will use it for fishing and things like

[32:10] that but we do want to hear from people

[32:12] so we're looking at having a public

[32:13] meeting uh 4:30 uh at the landing and

[32:17] then um like I said I think it's a great

[32:20] project it's has a lot of fingers in

[32:22] everything else um and I'm looking

[32:24] forward to getting people's comments on

[32:27] uh I the other thing that is it is

[32:30] expandable um 360 ft is what we can

[32:33] afford today if we find that the amenity

[32:37] is used and utilized we'll have to look

[32:40] at expanding uh the do you can expand it

[32:43] uh to the north of the

[32:45] river so

[32:51] questions I think it's a terrific

[32:52] project I mean I think it's something

[32:54] that we've been waiting for you know in

[32:56] terms of the initial design of the

[32:58] entire Mohawk Harbor and um I'm excited

[33:01] I'm very excited about it so looking

[33:03] forward to seeing its completion and

[33:04] there might be people in the apartments

[33:07] down there that might want some of the

[33:08] do space that are residents in other

[33:11] words yep and so we were going to have

[33:13] the meeting in the harbor house but we

[33:15] thought if we had it there it would be

[33:16] too convenient and we would overwhelm

[33:17] their community room so um our our

[33:20] partner our friends at gie and Metroplex

[33:23] we arranging the the uh the hotel which

[33:25] has a larger space for us to be able to

[33:27] use and this is really going to be a

[33:29] partnership project unique to what we've

[33:31] ever done because the the city will be

[33:33] the owner of the Docks but we already

[33:36] have a memorandum of understanding with

[33:38] the with the gesi group to help you know

[33:40] operate the docks we're going to have to

[33:42] store the docks these docks canot be out

[33:44] in the winter time they'll be floated

[33:45] and stored uh within the harbor we're

[33:48] believing um you know we have uh the Dr

[33:51] that we're working on like I said

[33:52] Danielle's here for you know show the

[33:54] support of Metroplex uh with these

[33:57] projects and and uh I we really think

[33:59] that it could be a great way to just

[34:01] promote the city to the Waterfront

[34:03] Community because we're just very

[34:05] uniquely we're uniquely positioned on

[34:07] both the river and the bike path and

[34:09] this is the river and the bike path

[34:11] together so that's

[34:14] great s are you anticipating any

[34:17] concerns from the public um I'm not I I

[34:21] really don't

[34:22] have because the way everything came

[34:24] together uh the original plan like I

[34:26] showed you when we were little more the

[34:28] parking was a little farther away the

[34:30] path was a little longer things were a

[34:32] little bit but with the the new spot

[34:34] where we are with the drop off and the

[34:36] parking and the way it kind of

[34:37] integrates into the site I I I really

[34:40] think it's a it's a wi I really like it

[34:43] um I don't see what people would I

[34:45] haven't figured out what people would

[34:46] push back on yet other than they don't

[34:48] want big boats but you know they're not too noisy and they're in the

[34:52] river so I and this is a commercial area

[34:55] there's not you know that's not a

[34:56] condominium it's not an apartment

[34:58] building it's a hotel um so I I think I

[35:02] think it will be

[35:05] positive well thank you any answer my

[35:08] question was not own it you said to so

[35:10] this is just for right now for secret

[35:12] purposes you know for sending out the

[35:13] letters and all that we'd like the the

[35:15] city to declare a lead Agency on this

[35:17] project and then we're going to move

[35:18] forward with our uh determination and

[35:21] reaching out to all the interested

[35:23] parties so I just wanted to kind of loop

[35:27] you guys into

[35:28] information before thank you for that

[35:30] any

[35:32] questions a motion so move second all

[35:35] those in favor thank you

[35:38] Mr all right item number five VAP and

[35:41] smoke shop uh zoning ordinance

[35:45] Miss okay it's okay uh Miss president

[35:49] I'll take I'll take this um in your

[35:52] package this past week you've got a

[35:54] revised uh uh uh ordinance um the

[36:00] comments came back Pur sooning to the uh

[36:02] General Municipal law from the county uh

[36:05] Planning Commission with their comments

[36:08] and uh there were uh uh which are

[36:13] highlighted in in the package I gave you

[36:15] in red um and that

[36:20] uh they just had a couple of questions

[36:23] really minor minor revisions to the

[36:26] overall text of the uh of the proposed

[36:30] ordinance

[36:35] um the uh minor edits and comments of

[36:38] the pros ordinance were attached the

[36:41] Reds the Reds uh were the items that

[36:43] were deleted the yellow items are the

[36:46] ones that were the suggested language um

[36:48] they had a couple of questions in the

[36:50] definition section um what was added

[36:53] what was included in there is some uh

[36:55] medical marijuana and another Mar want a

[36:58] uh a definition they said it's not not

[37:02] in the rest of the the code the reason

[37:04] those were put in there in case you ever

[37:07] want to build off of this particular

[37:09] section of the code regarding cannabis

[37:13] operations so those definitions are

[37:15] already in there and that's how come

[37:16] it's not referenced in there but in case

[37:18] you ever want to build off of it

[37:20] definitions are already included and

[37:22] then in the last part of this the last

[37:25] page uh dealing with the uh ammonization

[37:28] um uh oversight on my part that language

[37:32] came from our City Zoning code dealing

[37:34] with adult establishments um that that

[37:38] reference wasn't deleted it should have

[37:40] been was deleted um regarding the issue

[37:43] of amortization I know there was some

[37:45] discussion on this on this the last time

[37:48] and what it means is that if you adopt

[37:51] this ordinance you the the vape shops

[37:55] that are in those areas that you've

[37:56] declared them not to be legal um would

[38:00] have one year to wrap up their business

[38:03] now if they wish to extend past that one

[38:07] year then they would have to go to the

[38:09] zoning board of appeals to prevent uh

[38:12] financial information as to why this

[38:14] would be a hardship and they they can't

[38:17] abide by that onee uh deadline so

[38:20] there's an appeal process through the

[38:22] zoning board of appeals that language is from as I indicated from our zoning

[38:27] code dealing with adult businesses so

[38:29] that same type of appeal process is

[38:33] already in our code and it's just placed

[38:34] into this uh section regarding Vapes

[38:37] shops smoke shops Etc in the alternative

[38:40] if you just wanted to not get into that

[38:45] and and just have these establishments

[38:47] stay past that one year then they'

[38:49] become a legal non-conforming use what

[38:51] does that mean they can stay as long as

[38:53] they're continuing an operation as a

[38:56] vape shop but if if they vacated it then

[38:59] whoever came in would not it's not zoned

[39:02] for that particular

[39:05] use so if you want you know it can be

[39:08] the language there can be changed in

[39:10] which it will become a legal

[39:11] non-conforming use for after one year um

[39:16] or on the alternative you know keep that

[39:18] language

[39:19] regarding mization in there uh for for

[39:24] uh for it so it's really up you but it's your option I know there was

[39:29] concern discussion last time so I just

[39:31] want to flex that a little a little

[39:35] bit so I I I do have a concern about you

[39:39] know after a year saying you have to

[39:41] prove that you're financially that you

[39:43] need to stay here so um I essentially

[39:45] think that's that's that's an

[39:47] opportunity for us to put people on the

[39:48] business where they currently are if

[39:50] they're there legally so um I I have

[39:53] concern about that and I think that I'm

[39:55] just to have them stay with the um then allowing them to be there and

[40:00] not have to come before the zoning board

[40:03] every year is is the way that I would

[40:05] prer that we approach this particular um

[40:09] uh situation with these establishments

[40:11] but obviously input from the other

[40:13] council

[40:17] members I mean the language we could use

[40:20] I mean if we wanted if you wanted to go

[40:22] down that route and delete that

[40:23] particular portion it would be that all

[40:25] such facilities or establishment

[40:28] lawfully actually operating open to the

[40:30] public on the date of the adoption of

[40:32] this particular order shall be permitted

[40:34] to continue as a legal non-conforming

[40:36] use and all others will be declared

[40:38] unlawful prohibited so and our Zone law

[40:42] deals with nonperforming uses and what

[40:44] if they're discontinued

[40:47] it it would if there's a discontinuance

[40:50] if it's not continuous operating then it

[40:52] would revert to it would be a

[40:54] non-conforming use the new outfit

[40:58] Mr Williams So to that point is the

[41:00] non-conforming use extended to the

[41:02] business or to the business owner youan

[41:04] if the business no it's the business a

[41:06] jobs or meant to to like a singular

[41:09] business it's the type of business

[41:11] that's gone in

[41:12] there it's it's the type of business and and in the definition the definition

[41:19] section covers all that so I I know it's

[41:25] it would be the type of business okay

[41:28] thank

[41:31] you so suggestion is to keep the current

[41:34] language that we have we're not putting

[41:36] them out to business it's just they will

[41:37] have to move up the year into so approve

[41:40] the approved area that is zoned for this

[41:43] so I think there is opportunity for them

[41:44] to kind of like work until they are

[41:47] ready to move into the approv area

[41:50] and that is own for for V and smoke

[41:55] shops so I I think what comes into play

[41:58] here is how many vape shops are there

[42:01] how much room is there in these um in

[42:04] these approved areas because we have a

[42:07] there's a distance right they they have

[42:09] to stay apart so if we're limiting the

[42:12] area and within that area we're limiting

[42:15] the proximity that could impact

[42:17] businesses if there's enough businesses

[42:19] like and then we run out of space what

[42:21] happens to those individuals so those

[42:24] you know are are also part of my

[42:25] concerns because if we do that and

[42:27] essentially somebody would have may have

[42:29] to go at business

[42:31] so well they're allow to for a year

[42:36] extension they would have to they would

[42:39] be allowed to operate from one year from

[42:41] the from the when you adopt this

[42:43] ordinance say July 15th or whatever one

[42:48] year they can continue after that one

[42:50] year if they wish to remain in business

[42:54] um a form would need to be developed for

[42:56] the go before the zoning board of

[42:58] appeals for them to demonstrate

[43:00] financial hardship as as to why they

[43:03] should be allowed to operate for a

[43:05] period of time after the end of the

[43:08] after the after that uh oneyear period

[43:11] in their current position in their

[43:13] current

[43:18] position well last count there were 39

[43:21] smoke shops um in the city plus we know

[43:25] that more have developed and popped up

[43:28] and um don't have proper um you know AR

[43:32] aren't properly documented on the books

[43:35] to even operate so I noticed one the

[43:37] other day with with the windows were all

[43:39] sealed up and it's got a big sign in in

[43:41] the window 8m but it's the dragons or

[43:44] it's a smoke shop but anyway um so I I'm

[43:48] in in in agreeance with to leaving it

[43:50] that you know they'd have to come before

[43:52] the board of appeals to uh keep their

[43:55] position uh if they can prove it's

[43:57] hardship but other than that as far as

[43:59] um we we don't need six in one block um

[44:02] so I I do like you know how things are

[44:04] going to be um stated in the moratorium

[44:07] I'm I'm sorry I'm off for small business

[44:09] I'm a small business but um you know we

[44:12] have we have a lot of Youth out there um

[44:14] that are walking by these smoke shops

[44:16] and and I'm just not in favor of them um

[44:19] there's more than enough places that

[44:20] they'll be able to establish their

[44:23] business I don't know if there's nor

[44:25] than enough places I don't know have if

[44:26] we've done what the what if we moved all

[44:28] 39 to this to what's to what's would be

[44:32] available um to what we're zoning it for

[44:34] I don't know that there's enough place

[44:36] so I I do have that concern about

[44:38] someone not being able to I

[44:40] don't not being able to um to continue

[44:43] with their business whether it's a

[44:45] business that I approve her or not

[44:46] that's not really why I'm here it's it's

[44:48] if it's a legal business and they're you

[44:50] know it's something that they can

[44:51] legally do but I don't uh I I don't do

[44:55] that me

[44:57] I think that we should just go with leg

[44:58] and non-conforming that's that's how I

[45:00] see

[45:07] this Mr the last summer we discussed

[45:10] this we were talking about the 40% um

[45:13] allow for it

[45:17] yeah yes there was no comment from the the County planning on that amount

[45:22] and uh the

[45:23] 40% the 40% is still in right um because

[45:29] they have not met yet they that the city

[45:31] plan that City Planning they were not

[45:33] able to take that take that

[45:37] off

[45:41] [Music]

[45:43] so and um I think Mr Mr Brian said if

[45:47] they because they didn't have anything

[45:49] official and I asked for something

[45:50] official they didn't have anything so

[45:52] they won take it up until the next

[45:53] meeting and if they do then it's

[45:54] certainly something that we could amend

[45:56] they came up with a

[45:58] specific um percentage and a reason why

[46:01] they came up with that specific

[46:02] percentage I mean if they could come up

[46:04] with a percentage they could bring it

[46:06] before you as a as as a transmittal and

[46:09] saying that the their number is whatever

[46:12] and then you would have the opportunity

[46:14] to amend the ordinance if you so desire

[46:17] at that

[46:19] point yes I I think president cter field

[46:22] and I even we agreed on the fact that

[46:24] you know whatever they want to put in

[46:26] their shop or or you know the 40% was

[46:29] you know we didn't have an issue with them you know keeping that at 40%

[46:35] um you know they have a shop they can

[46:38] sell everything legally in there

[46:39] whatever they want and whoever's going

[46:41] into the shop is going in there for a

[46:43] specific reason anyway um for products

[46:46] and so I don't think there was an issue

[46:49] with the percentage of of the space

[46:51] inside the building what they could

[46:55] sell yes

[46:57] so they were suggesting the members from

[47:01] the zoning

[47:02] board Planning Commission

[47:05] 25% is that no they never gave a number

[47:09] the other localities have gone down to

[47:12] 20 20 25% that was just as a as a

[47:15] reference point but I don't think we did

[47:18] not get a hard number from the uh City

[47:21] Planning Commission Co So currently it's

[47:23] 40 it's 40% in the draft okay other

[47:27] display area

[47:40] yes Mr Williams so I think I'm just

[47:43] being transparent with my thoughts uh as

[47:45] everyone else has been uh I I I find

[47:48] myself citing more with Miss Doro and I

[47:50] understand that there are going to be

[47:51] intend consequences of like our actions

[47:53] where 39 is a rather large number um I

[47:57] think my only hesitation with the

[47:59] non-conformances and then correct me if

[48:01] I'm wrong it would only apply to

[48:03] individuals that were in that quote

[48:04] unquote good standing so if you had

[48:06] individuals that weren't uh putting in

[48:08] place like the proper marketing for

[48:09] square footage like I would no it it

[48:12] would be anybody could put in put in

[48:14] request to the zoning board of appeals

[48:16] because it's looking at dollars and

[48:17] cents proof as to whether or not they're

[48:23] uh you know they put they put in a

[48:25] substantial Financial

[48:27] expenditure related to the nonconformity

[48:30] and that that the the closing down would would have would have a financial

[48:36] impact upon them so it's a continuation

[48:39] you could essentially have businesses

[48:40] continuing on without making any

[48:43] adjustments I don't understand the

[48:45] question well we're highlighting wanting

[48:48] to adjust the behavior so I applied for

[48:51] a

[48:53] non-conformance to not have to like

[48:56] alter we business yeah you would what no

[48:59] what you're saying to the Zone board of

[49:01] appeals I'm at this

[49:03] street the the deadline has come down I

[49:06] have in I I've invested x amount of

[49:10] dollars into this therefore I feel that

[49:13] it I should expend more I should the

[49:16] deadline should not apply to me and that way I should stay

[49:23] longer because it's impacting me

[49:25] financially

[49:27] Mr M did you have no I was going to ask

[49:30] uh add to that so really you stay longer

[49:33] in term is there a time to Reco their it

[49:36] would it would be it would really depend

[49:39] on a Case by case basis of how much they

[49:42] put in how long they've been there

[49:44] dollars and cents proof provided to

[49:46] Theon board of appeals so this one like

[49:49] they can go on for another year it would

[49:52] all depend all depends yeah it all

[49:53] depends

[50:01] and it would be the prior to the

[50:03] non-conformity the non-conforming is one

[50:05] year in other words those individuals

[50:08] that that put into their put the

[50:11] business in

[50:13] really um said we've had the uh The Vape

[50:19] Shop moratorium since uh March it would

[50:22] be you see that it would be a longer

[50:25] period of time so a longer period of

[50:27] time it would be indicate that they

[50:29] would have more return on their

[50:31] investment because the non-conformity

[50:33] would occur July 15th M but presumably

[50:38] they've been work in had their business

[50:41] there prior to when you accept it's had

[50:45] the moratorium put in place back in

[50:47] March the legal businesses right

[50:59] so that seems to be the only sticking

[51:00] point are we moving second are we I'm

[51:04] happy to move

[51:05] this are we moving it tonight y yeah

[51:08] we're ready to we have I mean as amended

[51:11] it can go forward and put the new

[51:13] language in the red language deleted the

[51:16] yellow Lang just so you know um so our

[51:21] where you I know that are they're not in

[51:23] college so you don't know what language

[51:24] is being deleted which language I read

[51:26] it

[51:27] yeah it's it's

[51:29] bracketed

[51:31] Sor it's bracketed it's highlighted may

[51:35] not be yellow but it's high yeah

[51:39] yes Mr M so I'm in favor of keeping the

[51:43] language that is point through here and

[51:45] let these business come back before the

[51:46] zoning board um to kind of like discuss

[51:50] their financial um you know at a plus or

[51:53] minus and and B would allow them to like

[51:56] extend give them an extension to

[51:58] continue the business until they can

[51:59] recove um their expenditure because the

[52:03] sole purpose of us is to centralize

[52:05] these business in approv zoning area so

[52:09] if we were to say it will change it back

[52:11] and put it it doesn't serve any purpose

[52:13] so we're doing here right I agree the

[52:15] sole purpose was to to to uh to

[52:17] centralize them in one

[52:20] area uh that's you know we kind of tried

[52:23] to do that a while back with the um what

[52:25] with those adult shops and I that that

[52:28] turned out to be a problem I don't know

[52:29] if you remember that you would probably

[52:31] be the only one that would um

[52:35] so um so and and we were also if I

[52:40] remember correctly one of the main

[52:41] reasons for this was

[52:43] to start to kind of um take a look at

[52:47] businesses that are operating on with

[52:50] not they're not uh operating in

[52:53] compliance with what the you know City's

[52:55] rules expectations are and and this

[52:59] moratorium was to kind of stop the from

[53:02] popping up all over the place where we

[53:03] can manage what was in front of us right

[53:05] like so that okay right um and and with

[53:09] that so mayor in terms of the

[53:11] enforcement and for those that are legal

[53:14] versus illegal do we have any type of

[53:16] update on the on of the 39 is what M Tor

[53:19] says but I kind of think your number's

[53:22] [Music]

[53:24] low uh seen an updated the enforcement

[53:27] we can put that together and you have it

[53:29] two weeks or get it out to you you by

[53:32] the end of the week the beginning of

[53:33] next

[53:43] week any other thing for me um and I

[53:47] guess I would ask this view mayor as

[53:48] well if someone can map it out um if we

[53:51] have it mapped out where they currently

[53:52] exist as

[53:53] well those are

[53:56] we did it's not updated I don't just

[53:59] updated updated but we did get the map

[54:02] well like you said this she said there's

[54:04] more popping up and just um yeah the

[54:09] neighborhoods that they in

[54:11] so

[54:15] okay so you're suggesting that we just

[54:17] move ahead with it as it currently is

[54:19] and let them um come before The Zing Bo

[54:22] yes that is what I'm suggesting we move

[54:24] as Z and this this language with the

[54:28] language that's currently before us as

[54:30] amend and um mrri when would they have

[54:34] to when with this from July 15th until

[54:36] July 15th

[54:37] 2025 is whenever the you know it has to

[54:41] pass the the council so we and when the

[54:43] mayor signs it and the resol as the

[54:46] ordinance says this this ordinance take

[54:48] shall take effect immediately so upon

[54:50] the mayor's signature or 10 days

[54:52] whatever that is pursuant to the code

[54:55] that will be the of the year will start

[54:57] at that point okay and if for some

[55:00] reason this obviously doesn't work out

[55:02] we could always come back in langage if

[55:04] you ever want to revisit it like any

[55:06] ordinance you can always bring this back

[55:09] if it's not not if you want to revisit

[55:12] it at any time you can put back on and

[55:15] if you want to amend it there will be

[55:17] another public hearing or you just want

[55:19] to have a discussion on that certainly

[55:21] it can always be

[55:23] Revisited okay

[55:27] I'm motion move and I'll

[55:31] second so I will just make the statement

[55:34] that um I will um support this however

[55:37] if people come to us and say there's a

[55:38] hardship then I would want this brought

[55:41] before this Council to be Revisited I

[55:43] don't want to put a hardship on any

[55:44] small businesses so with that Cav H all

[55:47] in favor I I Madam chair uh M Madam

[55:51] president that that could always be the

[55:52] case if you want to revisit that

[55:54] language in the last portion of the

[55:55] ordinance and along the discussion items

[55:58] we've talked about earlier and just one

[56:00] other item it's a it's a type two Seeker

[56:03] action yes and I would just ask that also that resolution that what yes

[56:09] it is is it on there

[56:13] it's we have there's a Seeker resolution

[56:17] yeah we'll have the SE it's right here

[56:19] right page 159 page

[56:21] 159 the a resolution declaring is a type

[56:25] two action

[56:27] 159 is the packet

[56:35] yeah so you need that as to declare yes

[56:38] it's a I'm saying it's not on the agenda

[56:40] that's what I said yes thank

[56:45] you

[56:52] okay okay so we uh so the the next item

[56:55] is to

[56:57] um declare the adoption of the ordinance

[56:59] creating section 264-1111 of the code um

[57:04] is not subject to environmental review

[57:06] of the state quality review act so give

[57:10] me that resolution move it second all in

[57:12] favor

[57:15] I thank you thank you madam president

[57:19] thank you mran and um just um Mr ran

[57:22] have this and I have this quick

[57:23] conversation when we're um at the

[57:25] legislative conference about the

[57:27] um incoming cannabis shops and that we

[57:31] should at some point maybe even talk

[57:33] about the um how that works in the

[57:35] zoning of that as you can see we have

[57:37] the new people's joint on State Street

[57:40] that's the name of it I didn't make it

[57:41] up

[57:43] John um so and there's um I checked with

[57:47] the office of Canabis management and

[57:48] there's at least three more that are

[57:50] pending um and are prepared to come

[57:54] within the city so um I don't know that

[57:56] there's a limit on how many we can have

[57:59] so that's a question so just so you know

[58:03] that's a that's a question I'm going to

[58:04] be asking the office can management I

[58:06] don't I couldn't find anywhere where

[58:08] there was a limit on how many

[58:10] applications and currently I can't

[58:12] remember the number that we have but we

[58:13] have quite a few applications that have

[58:15] come through the clerk's office saying

[58:17] they they want to be here and they've

[58:19] given the various addresses where they

[58:21] want to be so um I'll be following up on

[58:24] that and making the council aware

[58:27] Madam president you want to discuss that

[58:28] next time in two weeks okay that would

[58:32] be

[58:33] uh 131 of the Cannabis law

[58:38] okay

[58:43] thank all right thank you um the next

[58:46] item is the discussion of rules of deor

[58:48] during City Council meetings uh we came

[58:50] up with these rules a while ago and I'm

[58:52] not asking for anything to be um I'm not

[58:55] asking any rules to be changed or

[58:57] anything but what I am would like to see

[59:00] is um we put those out there but nowhere

[59:03] does it state that once you sign up that

[59:05] you're willing to abide by those rules

[59:08] so I just wanted to add that

[59:10] statement um so that there's some level

[59:13] of enforcement if that's the term you

[59:15] want to use so they're right there

[59:16] before you as they currently stand but

[59:18] just adding number 17 that says by

[59:20] signing up to speak that you agree to

[59:23] adhere to the the Corum of the council

[59:28] meetings so maybe add that to the sign

[59:31] up um sheets well the sign up sheets

[59:33] already have all of these on here but

[59:36] that statement yes and just adding that

[59:38] to what's already there right mhm

[59:41] yes yeah

[59:43] I'm that's it for that so do we need to

[59:47] move a motion for that I think we do so

[59:49] move I'm sorry but then should it

[59:51] include like specific language saying if

[59:53] you don't like you're relinquishing your

[59:55] ability to use this platform is that

[59:57] what we're implying or is

[1:00:01] that I'm sorry can you say that again

[1:00:04] does it also need to include like

[1:00:05] specific language that states you're not

[1:00:09] adhering to this means that you're

[1:00:10] relinquishing your ability to speak at

[1:00:12] this point well I think number 16 kind

[1:00:16] of um covered that that we'll remove I I

[1:00:21] um I think we' have to look a little

[1:00:23] further into um whether or not we could

[1:00:26] say that

[1:00:27] specifically Mr you want

[1:00:31] talk sure was there a question it was it

[1:00:34] was regarding the the acknowledg the

[1:00:36] acknowledgement or whether that it could

[1:00:38] be uh uh whether you could enforce it to

[1:00:42] the point where people so vacate their

[1:00:44] or wave their ability to speak if we if we said okay when you write when

[1:00:50] you sign this you a knowledge will go by

[1:00:51] these rules what Mr Williams was asking

[1:00:53] is if we could add something that says

[1:00:55] in if don't then you relinquish your

[1:00:57] ability to be able to have privilege of

[1:00:59] the floor

[1:01:02] ever I'm sorry is that what

[1:01:05] you're because well not forever but I

[1:01:08] mean for the for meeting I mean

[1:01:10] essentially if you have someone that

[1:01:11] disregards it what happens they keep

[1:01:14] going well I think I think Miss P I

[1:01:17] think Mr Farley had his hand up first so

[1:01:20] I oh yeah no I was just um just want to

[1:01:26] be really careful about like as we're

[1:01:28] adding I think that that that's a fair

[1:01:30] suggestion say like you know by signing

[1:01:32] this you're acknowledging that that

[1:01:35] you're expected to act Within These data

[1:01:37] parameters I just um as far as like

[1:01:40] consequences if you

[1:01:42] will um we have to just be mindful you

[1:01:44] know we don't want to discourage people

[1:01:46] to you know after every time people come

[1:01:50] up the sweep we always thank them for

[1:01:52] their input um and I just want to make

[1:01:54] sure that we encourage more of them and

[1:01:56] just be mindful that's all I guess I

[1:01:58] would say about like balancing that

[1:02:02] on what people's

[1:02:05] U ability to come down and speak I think

[1:02:07] it's

[1:02:09] important I'm comfortable I yes this bar

[1:02:13] um I would request and recommend uh that

[1:02:16] we do some legal review of that prior to

[1:02:20] passing this

[1:02:22] forward wew that if they sign it that

[1:02:24] they're adhering to it um yeah look into

[1:02:28] um the legalities of

[1:02:31] that

[1:02:33] okay could you let us know in two weeks

[1:02:37] absolutely um and and I guess we need to

[1:02:40] further discuss if we want to even

[1:02:42] consider adding what Mr Williams has

[1:02:44] suggested Miss Patrick I think um that

[1:02:47] number I agree with you that number 16

[1:02:50] covers um a consequence but um so I

[1:02:54] think after Corporation Council has the

[1:02:57] opportunity to review um but I think

[1:03:00] that does sort of State

[1:03:03] consequences um and I think yeah I I

[1:03:06] agree and I think that it's important

[1:03:08] that we you know um let people know what the expectation is but um I am with

[1:03:15] as Mr barley I'm kind of like want to be

[1:03:17] careful of the over

[1:03:21] policing yes Mr Farley some I mean

[1:03:24] because some of the language I mean even

[1:03:26] though I think that we might have a

[1:03:28] pretty clear well at least a we might be

[1:03:31] able to build consensus around what we

[1:03:33] think is vulgar or inflammatory you know

[1:03:35] I think that something that you do

[1:03:38] really well is if if people seem to be

[1:03:40] Crossing that line you remind them and I

[1:03:42] think that what usually happens from

[1:03:44] what I have my experience when someone

[1:03:47] says something um that might be closely

[1:03:50] getting ready across that line you

[1:03:51] address them and then they uh are more

[1:03:55] mindful in their words and I think that

[1:03:57] that's important because I think they

[1:03:59] want put something on paper saying if

[1:04:01] you do this then this is the consequence

[1:04:04] or maybe to some people some of the

[1:04:07] things that they might be saying might

[1:04:09] not be inflammatory and or threat right

[1:04:12] we might perceive them differently so I

[1:04:13] like that at least

[1:04:15] that kind of uh guardrail of you just

[1:04:19] saying hey that's you're you know you're

[1:04:22] getting close to this thing so I just

[1:04:23] think that that's important too and I

[1:04:25] think that that might have to be in some

[1:04:26] language as well because that is really

[1:04:29] that might just be something that you do

[1:04:31] as you know as a matter of practice and

[1:04:32] not necessarily a matter of policy so I

[1:04:34] know we're talking about policy

[1:04:38] here well again I think that it looks

[1:04:41] like five of us agreed to this um not

[1:04:43] saying that we wouldn't ever change our

[1:04:45] minds but um we we did vote for this and

[1:04:50] you know it's it's pretty clear in terms

[1:04:52] of the language that's that's that's

[1:04:54] here and I agree that I think the

[1:04:57] council president um as you did last

[1:05:00] week for example you opened the meeting

[1:05:02] really kind of reminding people about um

[1:05:06] the public comment period um and then

[1:05:10] did you know kind of uh what's the word

[1:05:13] I'm looking for Marshall uh the

[1:05:16] discussion um so I think that that's I

[1:05:19] think what you're saying as well that um

[1:05:21] you know we do have that ability for the

[1:05:23] council president um to

[1:05:26] make an announcement and then you know

[1:05:29] has the timer and has the ability to I

[1:05:32] think you've you know many times have

[1:05:33] said director comments here you have you

[1:05:36] have different statements or the council

[1:05:38] president has different statements that does sort of keep the

[1:05:42] conversation going within you know

[1:05:45] appropriateness appropriate

[1:05:47] guidelines so I'm I'm fine with just

[1:05:50] sing that one if um once we um make sure

[1:05:53] that it's legally um okay okay did

[1:05:57] you yes Mr yeah Madam president just a

[1:06:01] question when you know they would be

[1:06:03] free to sign it or not sign it in other

[1:06:06] words that would that impact them being

[1:06:08] called or not yes no name no I can't

[1:06:11] call you so that would go for their sign

[1:06:13] signing yeah once you sign that's the

[1:06:15] only that's how we know to call a person

[1:06:17] up to speak and it also clearly states

[1:06:19] that once the meeting's begun you cannot

[1:06:22] um then um be you know be to speak so

[1:06:26] your signature is what gets you gets

[1:06:28] your name called that's how we but we

[1:06:30] don't have right now have them signing

[1:06:32] this type of document no no it's just

[1:06:34] the sign and Sheet the sign and sheet

[1:06:36] has this on it okay but it's not an

[1:06:38] acknowledgement you're looking for for

[1:06:40] wording where it says this acknowledges

[1:06:42] you've read the above and BU as part of

[1:06:44] this yes okay as as part of where what

[1:06:47] we already have just the last thing to

[1:06:48] say and signing this you agree to these

[1:06:51] rules okay right and of course as we do

[1:06:55] any changes we'll just make sure that's

[1:06:57] clear to the public okay um when they

[1:06:59] come okay M thank

[1:07:03] you so we'll put the frames back well

[1:07:05] you'll let us know in two weeks whether

[1:07:06] it is or not we'll have the information

[1:07:09] absolutely okay thank

[1:07:13] you okay

[1:07:16] um and the next item is just a reminder

[1:07:19] regarding the Amendments of the zoning

[1:07:20] ordinance rela to the Hamilton Hill

[1:07:22] Redevelopment planning Redevelopment

[1:07:24] plan also referred to as

[1:07:27] 0 and the public hearing is going to be

[1:07:29] on the 24th

[1:07:31] of um June so that's just a

[1:07:37] reminder the remainder of the items will

[1:07:39] have to be done in the executive

[1:07:43] session so I ask for motion to go second

[1:07:46] session

[1:07:47] second all

[1:07:49] favor members of the public will have to

[1:07:52] leave I don't think we

[1:07:56] [Music]

[1:07:58] he

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