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[0:25] connect city council committee meeting

[0:27] for Monday June 17 2024 we going to

[0:30] start off with two presentations and

[0:31] this time I'd like to turn over the

[0:33] commissioner for

[0:37] Ferrari thank you council president uh

[0:39] city council mayor uh we like to start

[0:42] uh tonight with uh u a review of the

[0:45] audit uh we have John Kowski from kuak

[0:48] and Company Auditors of the who audited

[0:51] the city's conected financials uh for

[0:53] 20123 and uh uh we're going to have John

[0:56] come up and explain the audit and what

[0:58] he's done and uh how everything looks

[1:01] and hopefully uh uh you guys can have

[1:03] some questions as you go along okay I'm

[1:06] going to turn it over to John

[1:09] John uh I just wanted to start off by

[1:12] saying thank you to um the mayor city

[1:14] council and um everybody who help us out

[1:16] during the audit um really appreciate

[1:18] everything they did to help us complete

[1:19] the audit um we have great staff here

[1:21] very well qualified uh really good

[1:23] people and really appreciate everything

[1:25] that they did for us um so our ultimate

[1:28] responsibility for the audit is to to be

[1:30] able to issue an opinion in your

[1:31] financial statements as to whether

[1:33] they're materially stated and whether

[1:34] they're in compliance with generally

[1:35] accepted accounting principles otherwise

[1:37] known as Gap so our audit takes place in

[1:40] three main phases um the first is our

[1:42] pre- audit phase which takes place in

[1:44] December so during this time what we do

[1:46] is we review your internal control

[1:48] processes um we test those internal

[1:50] control processes we perform variance

[1:52] and budget analysis uh review council

[1:55] meeting minutes and complete our

[1:56] internal risk assessment

[1:58] procedures um the next next is our audit

[2:00] field workk phase this takes place in

[2:02] mid March uh we use this information

[2:04] gathered um to develop our audit

[2:06] procedures our audit programs test

[2:08] account balances um to U verify if they

[2:11] appear materially stated the third is

[2:14] our reporting phase where we review the

[2:16] financial statements prepared by your

[2:17] senior accountant and um report on the

[2:20] final results so the financial

[2:22] statements that you have in front of you

[2:23] our 77 page document overall it's

[2:26] comprised of several major parts the

[2:28] first major part is going to be the

[2:30] Management's discussion analysis on

[2:31] pages 1 through 7 thises a required un

[2:35] audited section of financial statements

[2:37] so what this does is it summarizes the

[2:39] operating results and other financial

[2:41] highlights of the year if you're

[2:43] unfamiliar with the financial statements

[2:44] this is an excellent read uh Pages 8

[2:47] through 10 that's your independent 's

[2:49] report where we issue an opinion on your

[2:51] financial statements

[2:53] um it is important to note that your

[2:56] financial statements are on the fund

[2:58] level only fund and account grp level

[3:00] only exclusive of the non-current

[3:02] governmental asset account group we are

[3:05] pleased to say that we

[3:06] have we have once again issued

[3:09] unmodified opinion on your financial

[3:10] statements the highest L insurance we

[3:13] can give you it's considered a clean

[3:14] report we have no report of issu with no

[3:16] CL so Pages 11 through 13 these are your

[3:19] governmental fund balance sheets and

[3:21] statements of revenues expenditures and

[3:23] changes in fund balance approximated

[3:26] operating results for the year end of

[3:27] December 31st 2023 general fund balance

[3:31] was unchanged due to the ARA loss

[3:32] Revenue water fund had a surplus of

[3:36] 323,000 sewer fund had a surplus of

[3:40] 136,000 recreation fund had a surplus of

[3:43] 4,000 a special grants and revenue fund

[3:45] surplus of

[3:47] 13,000 and your capital projects had a

[3:49] surplus of 26 million uh due to the

[3:51] proceeds from seral Bond issuance and

[3:53] band redemptions so highlights of the

[3:56] 2023 general fund activity and these are

[3:58] all approxim figures uh prior year tax

[4:01] Le collected F below Expectations by 772

[4:04] th000 casino revenue exceeded

[4:06] expectations by

[4:08] 54,000 property sales fell below

[4:10] Expectations by 1.7 million uh sales tax

[4:14] revenue exceeded expectations by 2.3

[4:16] million insurance recoveries these

[4:19] exceeded expectations by 753 th000 uh

[4:22] don't use cannabis revenue for the year

[4:24] was

[4:25] $531,000 for new Revenue source for 2023

[4:28] Street opening permits these fell below

[4:30] expectations

[4:31] 78,000 and the federal arpa funds that

[4:34] were utilized $8.9 million for the year

[4:37] 6.5 million of which was used for the

[4:39] loss Revenue

[4:40] calculation um overall we feel that

[4:42] management does a really good job with

[4:43] your reserves uh general fund balance is

[4:45] $18.9 million a year ended 6.5 million

[4:49] of that is restricted funds and the

[4:52] detail for these account balances is on

[4:54] pages 52 and 53 the notes of financial

[4:57] statements band borrowings increased by

[4:59] 5.7 million to fund capital projects

[5:02] your New York State EFC borrowings $28

[5:05] million converted to long-term

[5:12] serons there was an increase of $48

[5:15] million in the city's net pension

[5:17] liability this is for underfunded ERS

[5:19] and pfrs balance of year end was a

[5:21] liability of 9.9 million from ERS and a

[5:24] liability of 42.9 million for pfrs total

[5:28] opad liability other post employment

[5:30] benefits this increased by $43 million

[5:32] to $294 million these valuations are due

[5:36] to gby savings 68 and 75 which require

[5:39] the acral of pension assets and

[5:41] liabilities and the other post

[5:42] employment benefits on actual valuations

[5:46] custodial fund is required by gas State

[5:48] M 4 this includes the property taxes

[5:50] which are collected for other

[5:51] governments not yet remitted Pages 16

[5:54] through 58 of your financials these are

[5:56] the foot notes of your financial

[5:57] statements if you're not comfortable

[5:58] with the face of the financial

[5:59] statements or you wanted more detail as

[6:01] a significant account balances or

[6:03] material account balances on the face of

[6:04] the financial statements the notes are a

[6:06] very good read overall Pages 66 through

[6:09] 77 this is your federal single audit

[6:12] since the city expended more than

[6:14] $750,000 of federal funding you are

[6:16] required to have it's called a federal

[6:17] single audit um Federal expenditures for

[6:20] the year were $29 million overall so as

[6:23] part of this Federal audit what we're

[6:24] require to do is uh rotate your major

[6:26] programs every 3 years major programs

[6:29] for this year the Community Development

[6:30] block grant uh the home Grant and also

[6:33] the ARA funds as well um your ARA funds

[6:35] are required to be obligated uh for

[6:38] expenditure by December 31st 2024 and

[6:41] must be expended by December 31st 2026

[6:44] there are currently $31 million um still

[6:46] remaining of your AR funds to be spent

[6:49] um from an overall accounting and

[6:50] control standpoint we feel like your

[6:52] staff does a really great job a really

[6:54] great team here a lot of strong people

[6:56] um they were very helpful during the

[6:57] audit um if there was any questions at

[7:00] this point you know on the audit process

[7:01] that was just a brief overview of the

[7:03] financial highlights and questions on

[7:05] the audit process or the audit in

[7:07] general financi statements i' be happy

[7:09] to take at this point could you just go

[7:11] over again about the liability that you

[7:12] talked about 9.9 million liability

[7:15] increase sure for the um underfunded ERS

[7:17] and PFS so those evaluations are so ERS

[7:22] and PFS are under gaser number 68 the

[7:25] state has an actal evaluation done and

[7:27] what they do is they have to report to

[7:29] us whether whether we have if they're in

[7:30] an asset situation or a liability

[7:32] situation for over funding or

[7:33] underfunding both of those um pension

[7:36] systems are underfunded which

[7:38] essentially means that they have a

[7:39] liability that that is allocated on a

[7:42] prated basis to each municipality that's

[7:44] part of that system so in theory as of

[7:47] 123123 should those systems fail in

[7:50] theory the city would owe 9.9 million

[7:52] for R and 42.9 million for place in fire

[7:55] we know that would never happen there

[7:57] safeguards in place but gby statement 68

[7:59] does require that that is placed on in

[8:02] the long-term Deb fund as a

[8:04] life and that's the same with gas St 75

[8:07] for the other post employment benefit

[8:08] benefits that's a liability as well

[8:11] that's going on an Actuarial basis so

[8:13] the actuary provides a report that says

[8:15] you know this is your projected

[8:17] liability based on our our inputs and

[8:20] outputs into into this calculation at

[8:22] that given time so I know those numbers

[8:24] seem really massive you know n it's kind

[8:27] of scared up some but they the lack of

[8:29] term can be considered paper liabilities

[8:31] where they're not going to be funded

[8:33] they cannot be funded but ultimately

[8:35] those are valuations that have to be put

[8:37] onto St thank you so question you said

[8:41] uh that part of the federal audit

[8:44] process that you have to rotate three

[8:46] major programs what do you mean by that

[8:48] so every so your major programs are any

[8:50] programs that are over $750,000 or meet

[8:53] certain risk criteria so if that AUD if

[8:56] that program was audited in the previous

[8:57] year it was over 7 50 we had findings we

[9:00] then have to audit that program again so

[9:03] every third year so essentially like um

[9:05] like your Le Grant you spend more than

[9:07] $750,000 a year that Grant this year but

[9:10] I audited that program last year without

[9:12] any material there was no findings no

[9:14] significant efficiency so I did not have

[9:16] to once again audit it this year as well

[9:18] the arpa program is so large that we

[9:21] consider a higher risk from our

[9:22] standpoints our internal risk assessment

[9:24] says this is a brand new program very

[9:26] high dollar amount we're going to audit

[9:28] it every year in regards of what we can

[9:30] or cannot do so I that's kind of from

[9:32] our our our side what we're doing our

[9:34] risk assment that program

[9:41] okay so I had a question and I imagine

[9:44] your report gets more detailed uh just

[9:46] wanted to confirm you said Pages 52 and

[9:49] 53 give that assessment of the balances

[9:51] uh and I imagine that gets into uh how

[9:54] our rating as a city is

[9:56] outlined I'm sorry your rating or I

[9:59] think there's like a like a the bond

[10:02] rating so the bond rating is discussed

[10:04] in the Management's discussion and

[10:06] Analysis the details of the actual fund

[10:08] balance with all the different funds

[10:10] that's going to be on pages 52 and 53 so

[10:12] you can see how much is restricted what

[10:14] it's restricted for if there's

[10:15] incumbrances details of all those

[10:18] different

[10:22] balances um you mentioned um the arpa um

[10:25] loss Revenue $8 million that was set

[10:28] aside and we only use

[10:29] $6 million does that mean that we have

[10:32] $2 million available we're using it 24

[10:35] now yeah well I was going say there was

[10:37] even more than that so it was I think

[10:40] Tony I think it was $1 million in total

[10:44] but we use six six a change this year

[10:46] and then the rest of it is budget for

[10:47] next

[10:53] year anyone else

[10:56] no we said the audit went very well

[10:59] thank you all for having me here tonight

[11:00] and if there's any questions you know

[11:02] afterward after you're done here if you

[11:03] think of anything just um get my contact

[11:05] information to Tony or Derek and can

[11:07] take care of thank you thank than you

[11:10] thank

[11:18] you okay um excuse me um we've been

[11:21] talking about this for um a while and uh

[11:24] about doing a quarterly financial report

[11:27] so that we don't see a similar situation

[11:29] is we did last we get to the budget we

[11:31] kind of have an idea where we were

[11:33] financially and how things are going so

[11:35] M Ferrari is here

[11:38] today just kind of go over it um where

[11:41] we are with our

[11:42] Revenue EXC are you going to vote to

[11:46] adopt please for the audit to accept the

[11:48] audit accept the audit yes but um but

[11:51] let's just do that under government

[11:53] office because I usually do it in a

[11:54] committee so let's do it there

[11:59] you want me to go ahead or you yeah

[12:01] we'll do that in government Ops I'd like

[12:03] to present D who's going to present our

[12:06] first quarter uh

[12:09] uh details for you

[12:13] dere thank you so we're just going to

[12:17] review the first quar report for the

[12:18] fiscal year

[12:19] 2024 uh I'd like to start with the

[12:21] general fund um start off on a positive

[12:24] note uh the city's connect uh did

[12:27] increase its rating from an A to an A+

[12:29] after completion of the official

[12:30] statement and interview with our S&P

[12:33] experts um from operational standpoint

[12:36] uh based on the original adopted budget

[12:38] through March 2024 the city has attained

[12:40] 40% of its projected general fund

[12:42] revenue and expending 22% of projected

[12:45] general fund expenditures uh during the

[12:47] same period of 2023 the city had

[12:49] attained 41% of projected revenue and

[12:52] expended 23% of its projected

[12:54] expenditures um some of the budget

[12:56] concerns for the general fund are in

[12:58] certies health insurance cost um there's

[13:02] 11% increase from 2023 to 2024 this is

[13:06] in the same period from January through

[13:08] March uh vehicle repair budget um has

[13:11] increased by

[13:13] 68% uh compared to

[13:15] 2023 um tipping fees increased by

[13:19] 107% uh compared to 2023 the waste

[13:22] recycling perm salary increased by

[13:25] 28% um Public Safety overtime cost

[13:29] um respectively the PD has increased by

[13:32] 5% compared to 2023 and again this is

[13:35] from January to March of 2024 the fire

[13:38] department increased by 16% during the

[13:41] same time period um there's only one

[13:45] meeting contract which has not been

[13:47] settled which is on tonight's agenda uh

[13:50] the PBA uh for

[13:52] 2024 um the golf fund uh from an

[13:55] operational standpoint based on the

[13:57] original adopted budget through March

[13:58] 24th the city has obained 2% of

[14:01] projected golf fund revenue and expended

[14:02] 7% of its projected golf fund

[14:05] expenditures through the same

[14:07] period two and seven correct correct 2%

[14:11] for Revenue 7% for the expenditures 2024

[14:14] uh compared to 2023 the city attained 2%

[14:17] projected revenue and expended 20% of

[14:20] its projected excuse me projected

[14:24] expenditures uh the expenditures for

[14:26] 2023 are due to higher typ type Capital

[14:30] reserves expenditures compared to the

[14:32] same period in 2024 the length of the

[14:34] season will um definitely um influence

[14:37] the financial outcome of the golf fund

[14:39] um right as of now there are no budget

[14:41] conserns in

[14:44] 2024 the water fund uh from an

[14:47] operational standpoint activities in the

[14:49] water fund are closely tracking those of

[14:51] 2023 raising no budget concerns at the

[14:53] present time based on an original

[14:56] adopted budget through March 2024 the

[14:57] city has obtained 58% % of his projected

[15:00] Revenue spended 28% of projected

[15:02] expenditures through the same period of

[15:04] 2023 the city has attained 67% of his

[15:07] projected revenue and expending 19% of

[15:10] his projected

[15:11] expenditures the revenues are down in

[15:13] 2024 due to the time of issuing uh NIS

[15:16] Uno water

[15:18] bill uh which is uh approximately

[15:23] $648,000 the expenses are up in 2024 due

[15:26] to early use of water repair line of

[15:30] approximately 455,000 in

[15:33] 2024 the sewer fund from an operational

[15:36] standpoint based on an operational

[15:38] adopted budget through March 2024 the

[15:40] city has obtained 63% of the projected

[15:43] sewer fund Revenue expended 16% of its

[15:46] projected sewer fund expenditures

[15:48] through the same time period of 2023 the

[15:51] city has attained 62% of its projected

[15:53] Revenue expended 18% of its projected

[15:55] expenditures use of type Capital

[15:57] reserves is much higher at this point in

[15:59] 2024 then the same period in 2023 by

[16:02] approximately

[16:04] 66,000 so the finance department will

[16:06] continue to monitor the numbers and

[16:08] Report City Council on a quarterly basis

[16:10] um are there any questions at this

[16:15] point um thank you for the breakdown

[16:19] looking for clarification you said the

[16:20] vehicle repair increase uh are you able

[16:23] to differentiate between like rou

[16:25] maintenance and then just

[16:27] acents uh the vehicle pairs parts and

[16:30] bringing it to um uh broad shop to get

[16:33] the repair um I think most of that is do

[16:35] the inflation the parts supply and

[16:38] demand um so we're definitely seeing

[16:40] that

[16:42] up so just your you're not you're

[16:46] suggesting that's probably just because

[16:47] the increase of Parts not necessarily

[16:49] like more vehicles are breaking down or

[16:51] there's an increase of things like that

[16:53] could be potentially B of Aging Fleet

[16:56] and um you know just Supply and and then

[16:59] as we know inflation with the cost of

[17:01] pair and you know getting those uh parks

[17:04] that

[17:06] from um you also said there was 11%

[17:09] increase in for our healthcare costs

[17:12] yeah yes um well that's compared to

[17:15] 2023 um it's going up um we I think we

[17:19] showed you guys in the past and the

[17:21] council wanted to cut um I that's

[17:24] approximately a million dollars at one

[17:26] point but um it's just you know the way

[17:28] the market is

[17:29] point I think can speak more towards

[17:35] that on the health side uh during the co

[17:38] period from 2020 to 2023 actually uh

[17:43] because of the co outbreak our our uh uh

[17:47] fees for uh Health had steady and

[17:51] actually gone down but as as uh 2023

[17:54] emerged especially at the last uh

[17:56] quarter the last half you know people

[17:58] started going back to the doctors we had

[18:00] a lot more babies and starting to say we

[18:03] have a lot more people getting sicker um

[18:06] and than you know than we we we wish to

[18:10] uh in 2024 we saw that uh last quarter

[18:13] of 2023 move increasing as you can see

[18:16] 11% more more people are going to the

[18:18] doctors more people are getting

[18:20] treatments and more people are getting

[18:22] uh work done so uh uh the the price of

[18:27] uh the price has G on up but you know I

[18:30] I always like to say that uh because we

[18:32] have such a great uh uh health benefit

[18:34] here at this concy you know we're proud

[18:36] that our workers are are covered so well

[18:38] so it's it's it's give it costs more

[18:41] money but you know we're giving a really

[18:42] good product to our our

[18:51] employees so you have a 2023 completed

[18:55] year and now this year at this point in

[18:57] time what areas or line um expenses that

[19:01] we should be concerned of that we may I

[19:04] think I mentioned a bunch of them I

[19:05] think those are definitely you you a

[19:07] look out for um we could do another that

[19:11] sorry top three top three um health

[19:14] insurance is definitely one of them um

[19:18] you know with the overtime cost possibly

[19:21] PB and uh PD and fire department um you

[19:25] know the council did cut uh from this

[19:27] past budget year

[19:29] um you know this first quarter is really

[19:31] hard to tell at this point we'll have a

[19:32] better idea in the second and third

[19:33] quarter where we're going to sit um so I

[19:36] think about a month or so we'll have

[19:38] another discussion uh for a second

[19:40] quarter have more updated numbers

[19:43] thanks um in terms of the vehicle

[19:45] repairs um 68% increase do you think

[19:48] that that might have been um lessened

[19:51] had we been able to vote in our last

[19:53] budget about going to the um going

[19:57] internal with our vehicle repairs which

[19:59] I think was what you guys had presented

[20:01] to us in the budget but was rejected by

[20:03] the council I I thought that we if I

[20:07] recall correctly went through Oh I

[20:09] thought we um went through yeah I think

[20:13] think it took a while be work on in our

[20:17] in our group now okay but we did keep

[20:18] that guy on overnight okay Sor that's

[20:22] also an increase but we're also thinking

[20:23] one work

[20:25] time cuz I thought you said something

[20:27] about sending the vehicles out just just

[20:29] now when you're talking to I was I no I

[20:33] I was asking is is it due to the

[20:35] increase of cost of price part we do

[20:39] both we do both Miss Patrick

[20:44] okay but to her point I thought that was

[20:46] going to kind of uh that was supposed to

[20:48] cut our our cost as opposed to as now

[20:52] doesn't seem like it necessarily yeah I

[20:54] think like I said it took a while to get

[20:56] someone in that position oh I don't

[20:58] think we're really seeing the fruits of

[21:00] the labor yet so okay maybe in the

[21:02] second third quarter we'll actually see

[21:03] you know that decrease

[21:07] okay thank you Mr waves uh I know kind

[21:11] of referencing our last budget cycle I

[21:13] know a point of contention or just an

[21:14] area of a lot of discussion was around

[21:16] the uh uh overtime budget related to the

[21:19] police department and fire department um

[21:21] I don't know if it's related but I do

[21:23] see both uh Chief Clifford and chief

[21:24] Marina here in in tonight I don't know

[21:27] if either are available but I would love

[21:29] to hear from their respect if there's

[21:32] been any uh alteration in their

[21:34] responses to Public Safety which was uh

[21:36] a comment or series of comments I heard

[21:38] frequently from the community I know as

[21:40] you mentioned this is just the first

[21:41] quarter but there's a question that I

[21:43] will be asking throughout the year just

[21:45] has there been any uh admin or altered

[21:49] responses due to the uh or due to the

[21:53] way we budgeted over time that makes

[21:55] sense I'm not sure if the Chiefs are

[21:57] ready to present there's time for that

[21:59] and maybe they'll come in next commit

[22:02] cycle to discuss that forther with

[22:04] you did did you hear the question did

[22:06] you hear the

[22:11] comment I can speak in

[22:14] general come

[22:15] [Music]

[22:22] on I know your fingers on the PST of

[22:25] this all the time so I know your fingers

[22:27] on the PST of this all the time

[22:29] so you want to understand the

[22:32] question U so just to repeat myself um

[22:36] throughout my conversations I've heard

[22:38] and also it was a comment that was

[22:40] consistently repeated that any uh

[22:42] adjustments that were made to the

[22:43] recommended budgeted lines for overtime

[22:46] would have a negative effect to your

[22:48] ability to respond to events throughout

[22:50] the

[22:51] community so my question is have you had

[22:54] to alter your response due to the um to

[22:58] what money was allocated to over time no

[23:01] not at this

[23:02] point uh we have minimum Staffing of 20

[23:07] uh we put 20 on the street every day we

[23:10] answer every call that comes in uh like

[23:12] normal and the money is there now to pay

[23:16] for all the overtime what happens in the

[23:19] third and fourth quarter is yet to be

[23:20] seen that's why I was so passionate and

[23:23] adamant for that figure that we

[23:26] presented um as a the first

[23:30] quarter

[23:31] the amounts that we were looking at we

[23:35] were right on target for that amount

[23:37] that we

[23:38] requested uh now if we remain at that

[23:42] we'll see we're definitely not going the

[23:45] other

[23:46] way

[23:53] you similar response um I think it's

[23:57] fair to say that the first qu for the

[23:58] police department is always the least

[24:00] expensive for us seems like uh weather

[24:03] is usually Cooperative from the first of

[24:04] the year until uh you know April May and

[24:09] uh we we do a lot less proactively more

[24:12] responsive so we really didn't you know

[24:15] we we we we really didn't do much

[24:17] different than we normally do um but we

[24:20] do expect that with the summer months

[24:21] upon us now we have more that will be

[24:24] busier we'll be putting more assets out

[24:26] there as the certain holidays come

[24:28] around Fourth of July so we will expect

[24:31] it to be probably a higher percentage

[24:33] than the first quarter for our overtime

[24:35] spending thank

[24:39] you any other

[24:42] questions okay thank you very much and U

[24:45] we'll see you for the second quarter

[24:47] absolutely I'm sorry no just mooving

[24:49] your glasses around yeah oh mayor the

[24:53] uh just

[24:56] the the uh try light my word choice uh

[25:01] last year's budget process was somewhat

[25:03] of a debacle said trying to avoid that

[25:05] this type of information has always been

[25:08] provided to the council we had generally

[25:11] made public comments at the adoption of

[25:13] the budget we would go back and look to

[25:16] change the code in the charter where

[25:18] today it reads that the mayor submits it

[25:21] by October 1st the council adopted by

[25:23] November 1st uh there were some opinions

[25:27] granted that there were

[25:29] no impact or effect of not adopting a

[25:34] budget uh I've made some staff

[25:36] adjustments to uh reflect that prior

[25:39] opinion but thought the council was in

[25:42] the mindset to put something on the

[25:44] ballot to clear that up so that if a

[25:48] budget is not adopted by November 1st

[25:51] you adopt either uh the mayor's proposed

[25:55] budget last year's budget some

[25:57] contingency budget but to take the

[25:59] ambigu out of the whole process and that

[26:03] uh you waited for that the action of the

[26:06] council we are coming up to a point

[26:09] where the timelines to put forward

[26:12] resolutions that will go on the ballot

[26:14] for this

[26:15] November uh there's still time where we

[26:17] can do that but I would assume the

[26:19] council is going to act on that in some

[26:21] fashion we can Pi up the discussion at

[26:23] the next committee meeting thank

[26:26] you oh I'm sorry Mr

[26:28] yeah my my only response to that would

[26:30] be I I would disagree in that I would

[26:32] categorize that as a debacle I think it

[26:34] offered a lot of areas of improvement

[26:36] and a lot of learning opportunities for

[26:38] the council I would agree with that if

[26:40] we allowed it collectively to repeat

[26:41] again in our 2024 or 2025 conversations

[26:45] but I definitely agree um Mr Mayor I

[26:47] think cleaning up some of those um

[26:50] lesser cleared areas specifically with

[26:51] regards to whether a budget is adopted I

[26:54] I definitely can agree that having more

[26:56] finer language to to alleviate our

[27:00] interpretations only helps ensure that a

[27:02] budget is passed in time and manner for

[27:03] the

[27:04] city and that's one of the reasons I was

[27:07] hoping I was asking that we had do this

[27:08] process so that we're once we get to the

[27:11] um where we have to actually look at the

[27:13] the overall budget we will have had

[27:14] discussions throughout and have a better

[27:16] idea of where we were so we will have

[27:18] the back and forth and

[27:22] um long elongated prolonged um budget

[27:26] process that we had last year so we can

[27:29] put that forward to have discussion at

[27:31] the next committee meeting thank

[27:34] you okay go ahead I like the call

[27:37] government operations we have two items

[27:39] on the agenda actually do the audit and

[27:43] we put three items on the agenda right

[27:45] so first I what we'll

[27:49] do we to accept the

[27:52] audit so second all those in favor I

[27:59] our next agenda item is going to be ret

[28:02] Dr Kelly tolin of other clinical

[28:04] psychologist and that his chief

[28:14] M um so working with the police

[28:17] department the fire department has been

[28:19] in the process of establishing our home

[28:22] peer

[28:23] support team as a matter of fact we're

[28:26] joining the police department time with

[28:29] their team they're doing a fantastic job

[28:32] uh and we are modeling our team after

[28:35] theirs and we'll be working closely with

[28:37] them part of our pair support team is

[28:40] bringing on a clinical psychologist and

[28:43] we are uh asking to approve a contract

[28:47] with Dr Kelly tolin who's the same

[28:50] psychologist that the police work

[28:52] with uh her contract calls for a

[28:56] $1,400 uh retainer fee every

[29:00] month uh we'll be modifying our original

[29:03] proposal of a year contract to 6 months

[29:06] and um there was some questions that the

[29:11] uh uh council president had asked I have

[29:16] answered to so the background of our the

[29:20] reason why we want our prer support team

[29:22] is because of the increase in mental

[29:25] health challenges that First Responders

[29:28] are facing and in the legislative

[29:31] request I listed some of those they're

[29:34] actually pretty troubling uh to the

[29:36] point where we just dealt with two

[29:39] issues uh about 10 days ago of people

[29:42] that really needed some intervention so

[29:46] due to the work our people do and the

[29:49] stress that comes with that the amount

[29:51] of time that our people are working um

[29:54] we're seeing more and more challenges so

[29:58] it is extremely important that we have a

[30:00] team and with the team we need the

[30:03] clinical psychologist so that's why I'm

[30:05] here to ask for the approval of the

[30:10] contract Chief um the compensation of

[30:13] section three page um section three um

[30:19] $1,400 with retainer and they not to

[30:22] exceed

[30:24] $1,000 for additional service so that's

[30:26] like 4 hours is that enough

[30:29] on top of the $1,400 so the 1,400 is uh

[30:34] her retainer and all the services she'll

[30:38] provide you see that on exhibited that

[30:41] additional

[30:43] $250 a uh an hour that would be in the

[30:47] event of

[30:48] some acute

[30:50] event and I don't want to get specific

[30:53] but if something happened and she was

[30:55] called in because of the share

[30:58] uh severity of it that would be what she

[31:02] would be charging for that event it

[31:04] wouldn't be for oneon-one for oneon-one

[31:07] uh sessions she' be charging she'd be

[31:11] invoicing the insurance so this would

[31:15] be in the event of something

[31:17] happen I

[31:21] specific so I think what we're seeing um

[31:24] in society right now is that there's a

[31:27] renewal of the social contract for

[31:28] institutions including school districts

[31:31] um First Responders things like that

[31:33] nature and I think that this is

[31:35] definitely in line um with

[31:38] that that's probably a contract that

[31:40] wasn't necessarily negotiated we just

[31:42] had to respond to because there's a

[31:43] different level of need here so I think

[31:45] that that's a important step to take a

[31:47] proactive step to take it's something

[31:48] that we can probably um

[31:51] unfortunately uh will likely be utilize

[31:54] one way or another so I I I appreciate

[31:56] that F and full support of that

[31:58] any other questions or comments on that

[32:00] um just a comment do we have the same

[32:02] PSA for the police department do we have

[32:05] the same PS for the police department

[32:07] I'm not sure it's exactly but

[32:09] conceptually it's the same it's um the

[32:12] police department it's 2,000 overall and

[32:15] then 225 for

[32:17] incidents um I just want to make sure

[32:19] that we have uh up to- date signed

[32:22] contract um that but that's that's the

[32:25] difference there he so it was modeled as

[32:27] the chief said off of the police

[32:30] department my um I just wanted to ask

[32:32] Chief so are we going to be um this

[32:34] state in in that we have in our

[32:35] information say June 1st so we're going

[32:37] to be changing that to July 1st July 1st

[32:39] yeah okay and I'll speak with court

[32:41] Council tomorrow about uh making it a

[32:44] six month as opposed to a year right so

[32:47] to keep it in line with how we do our um

[32:49] our budget and then we'll do it again in

[32:51] the beginning of the year correct well

[32:52] at the end of the year at the beginning

[32:53] of the year and cor Council wanted one

[32:56] phrase in

[32:58] the resolution so we'll make sure that

[33:00] gets in there also oh it was just

[33:02] regarding legislative request sorry that

[33:04] was just regarding the legislative

[33:06] request okay we'll we'll put together

[33:08] the final

[33:11] contract Mr thank you hi um so you said

[33:15] you said something about you'd be

[33:16] working with the team who else is on the

[33:18] team you have any well right now we're

[33:21] putting together our team working with

[33:23] Dr toin and just to be fully transparent

[33:26] Dr Tobin's been working with us probably

[33:28] the last 2 months and has not been uh

[33:31] compensated nor she asking to be

[33:33] compensated I just state that to show

[33:37] you the character of Dr tolin she is not

[33:41] in this for the money like I said to her

[33:43] today you're not building a mansion

[33:45] anywhere she's in it because she

[33:47] believes it and she does wonderful work

[33:50] she's already Council a couple of our

[33:53] people

[33:55] um so

[33:58] will be starting in July what was your

[34:01] question

[34:02] oh other type of profession St whatever

[34:06] you going to put on a team to help so

[34:09] some other departments have modeled

[34:11] their team uh through

[34:14] seniority um you know taken into

[34:17] consideration what the contract States

[34:21] here we're doing it basically on a

[34:22] volunteer basis our people will not be

[34:25] compensated there are people that are

[34:28] drawn to this and they'll be vetted by

[34:31] Dr toin and those members of the SK

[34:35] Police Department team to make sure

[34:37] there'd be a good thing so we we don't

[34:40] have names to give you at this point but

[34:44] we'll have that soon we're in the

[34:45] process very nice thank

[34:49] you so is Dr Toby is this a private

[34:52] practice or is she does she have a group

[34:53] practice and the reason I'm asking that

[34:55] is because if for some reason she's on

[34:57] vacation she's she's not feeling well or

[34:59] whatever is there someone that that when

[35:01] help is needed that there's still

[35:03] someone that um is available to the uh

[35:06] members she's a private practice but she

[35:09] works closely with the police

[35:10] department's peer support te so they're

[35:14] involved uh they work as a group so if

[35:17] she was not available there'd be people

[35:19] from the police department's team and

[35:21] and not everybody that has an issue goes

[35:23] to Dr Tolman the whole concept of peer

[35:26] support is to talk to a peer to work

[35:29] with a peer okay and what we like about

[35:32] it uh I'd like to say it was my idea was

[35:34] it Chief Cliffords um that there could

[35:38] be times where a member of the police

[35:41] department would feel more comfortable

[35:44] speaking to someone outside the police

[35:45] department be a firefighter and vice

[35:48] versa so I did like that

[35:50] concept whole ideas getting people to

[35:53] help they need absolutely necessary yes

[35:55] thank you

[35:57] there a

[35:59] motion second all those in

[36:02] favor thank

[36:04] you he the next item on our agenda is PV

[36:09] M agreement mayor McCarthy can I U just

[36:13] interject uh that we recommend that uh

[36:16] this conversation happen in executive

[36:19] session because it deals with Collective

[36:24] negotiations um even though it's like

[36:27] ass signed document that's been made

[36:29] public there may be you know how did how

[36:31] did they get to this particular place

[36:34] depend on the question question how they

[36:37] get get this document so executive

[36:41] session

[36:43] yes most point for the

[36:46] session recess we're going to recess

[36:48] we're going to recess uh government

[36:50] operations and then we'll bring that

[36:52] back when to yeah because yeah okay okay

[36:55] so operations

[36:59] move

[37:03] second all those in favor one got you

[37:08] okay call to order the finance committee

[37:10] and the forite is Grant to law

[37:13] enforcement

[37:24] technology good evening

[37:29] uh the first one up is the Lech which is

[37:31] law enforcement technology Grant uh the

[37:33] New York state division of Criminal

[37:35] Justice Services has awarded the city's

[37:37] connec Police Department

[37:39] $1,569

[37:41] 494 to purchase hardware and software

[37:44] that supports the Department's

[37:45] technology needs and there are no

[37:47] mention funds funds

[37:51] required any questions about that one

[37:53] questions handsome go ahead please what

[37:56] what type of Technology you need do they

[37:58] are they specific parameters they they

[38:00] attach to that do you have something in

[38:02] mind I don't have the specifics per se

[38:04] but

[38:05] um perhaps uh Information Technology

[38:08] whether it's regarding U body cameras

[38:11] oring our videos or laptops and

[38:13] computers uh so that's sort of generic

[38:17] category by

[38:19] Nature if you have more specific I

[38:22] thought there was a specific focus on

[38:25] this application cheap yeah

[38:32] uh for this for this grant we had

[38:34] actually uh designate what our area of

[38:37] Interest was so like the lieutenant

[38:38] mentioned we put in there for some

[38:40] surveillance cameras laptop computers

[38:43] and we also put in for license plate

[38:45] readers uh for

[38:47] drones um to expand our fiber network uh

[38:51] up uh you know through some parts of the

[38:53] city and video management software for

[38:56] all the cameras that we have through

[38:57] throughout the city so so so so that's

[39:00] that's that's what we are awarded for

[39:03] the next step after accepting the grant

[39:05] will be to uh actually do the homework

[39:07] on the site which uh which vendor we

[39:09] will go with each for each uh each

[39:14] category Chief you thank you so so you

[39:18] said drones in addition to the other

[39:20] program that you have with the two

[39:22] drones I think the other one is and this

[39:24] would be these would be

[39:25] additional nope uh this is uh what we've

[39:29] already you've already approved which is

[39:30] uh through Brink we have funding down to

[39:33] pay for that whole the

[39:35] contract Chief you mention a list vit

[39:38] here are you planning to upgrade the

[39:39] server at the same time or are you going

[39:41] to use um

[39:43] iCloud we're going to use the cloud okay

[39:46] any other

[39:48] questions see now may have a motion to

[39:51] move this item so second all in favor

[39:54] the next item is the intergovernmental

[39:56] cooperation agreement

[40:00] yes so AC is give here the city's

[40:03] connected police department has received

[40:04] grant funding under the gun involved

[40:07] violence elimination which again is the

[40:09] gri partnership for the fiscal year of

[40:12] 2014 2015 the award is granted by New

[40:15] York state to the Department of firal

[40:16] justic Services the Grant application is

[40:18] a partnership between SK Police

[40:20] Department the skan District Attorney's

[40:22] Office skan county probation department

[40:25] and the skan county sheriff's the total

[40:27] Grant reward for all of the entities is

[40:30] $1,200

[40:32] 773 with the skincity police department

[40:34] receiving

[40:41] $3,495 question on

[40:44] this go ahead please and so is all of

[40:47] our going um be so this is the budget

[40:50] here like you've given us the budget

[40:52] down

[40:53] okay thank you any other questions

[40:57] seeing none we have a motion to move

[40:58] this item so move second all in favor I

[41:01] I thank you thank you any other business

[41:04] for finance we have a motion to so move

[41:07] second all in favor I thank you I'd like

[41:11] to call Health and Recreation to order

[41:13] um we have one item on the agenda um

[41:15] which should be a discussion of the new

[41:17] Central par swimming pool um just to

[41:20] hear a little bit more about um fees

[41:22] hours security and any other issues that

[41:25] folks had uh wanted to discuss regarding

[41:27] the pool um so I just wanted to open

[41:32] that discussion up I didn't know if we

[41:34] had already a fee structure or have

[41:36] started to consider that um the pool

[41:39] looks fabulous I don't know if anyone

[41:41] else has gone up to see it uh it's going

[41:44] to open later this week um

[41:47] obviously you know we want to make sure

[41:49] that it stays as beautiful as it is uh

[41:52] currently uh so to me that brings up

[41:55] some security issues so I just wanted to

[41:57] a little bit more about what might be

[41:59] planned for um these items and whether

[42:02] anybody else had some other items to

[42:05] discuss are there fees fees collected at

[42:09] this time and no no have we I'm sorry

[42:14] considered the possibility of attaching

[42:16] fees to

[42:18] non-residents it's been informal

[42:20] discussion you know some of the joining

[42:23] communities have more restricted access

[42:27] for their facilities some charge fees uh

[42:30] the city has not done it and uh some of

[42:34] us were approaching IT staffing level

[42:36] more of an open mind uh to new facility

[42:39] it really looks very impressive uh the

[42:43] weather is also going to be slightly

[42:44] warmer than we'd probably like so I

[42:47] assume the utilization in the first days

[42:50] is going to uh T some of the limits to

[42:55] handle it and then we'll just see how it

[42:58] goes uh from that uh in terms of the

[43:02] actual hours and Staffing but some of

[43:05] the fees other access issues are still

[43:08] the PRI of the city council and uh not

[43:12] like for the Central Park pool but the

[43:15] uh rest of the pools in the city or some

[43:18] of the other uh facilities that we

[43:23] offer oh who's next I'm sorry Mr yeah I

[43:27] was going to say yes it does look

[43:29] beautiful and I think that um really

[43:31] proud of this project I I would say um

[43:36] sustainability of of the project is

[43:38] going to be really key so I guess you

[43:41] know what would be ideal for me and I'm

[43:43] saying this without you know really any

[43:45] um information to support at this time

[43:47] to the m point we're going to there is

[43:48] going to be a level of kind of seeing

[43:51] how things are going and then being

[43:52] responsive to what we see but um I you

[43:55] know my initial ad would be not the

[43:58] charged residents of the city but people

[44:00] who don't live here who are coming here

[44:02] to you know to be there' be some small

[44:06] feed there that's probably not and I

[44:08] know that happens in other

[44:09] municipalities um the only thought thing

[44:12] would be I know it cost the city uh

[44:15] something to enforce those fees and like

[44:17] all like so I'll just you know look at

[44:18] that cost benefit piece there but that's

[44:20] what I

[44:22] would be comfortable

[44:25] with okay Mr

[44:27] so um do

[44:30] we has the parks department come up with

[44:32] anything that they've even considering

[44:34] um what those fees might be who would be

[44:36] charged um is one of my questions and

[44:39] the other part is there signage that you

[44:41] know rules of the pool essentially is

[44:44] that all in place for this weekend I

[44:48] hope so you don't know I haven't been up

[44:52] to look at they tell me to signage just

[44:54] up uh

[44:57] and uh apparently we don't charge

[45:01] anything Mr Farley's Point uh there is a

[45:05] cost in terms of collecting it and some

[45:08] of our neighboring communities are far

[45:10] more restrictive in terms of access to

[45:13] their

[45:15] facilities and so we we'll consider

[45:17] what's what's reasonable for us to do

[45:19] but I have to agree that um to charge

[45:22] residents I don't yeah people can you

[45:25] know um cuz people are really looking

[45:27] forward to it and that they're not

[45:28] looking forward to like being stopped at

[45:29] the gate for a dollar whatever it's

[45:31] going to be yeah I was I actually also

[45:34] would support not charging residents I

[45:35] just wasn't sure if we were going to

[45:36] have a non-resident a non-resident fee

[45:39] but I like the idea of you know opening

[45:41] and see how things go um in terms of

[45:44] Staffing are we all set with the

[45:46] lifeguards and all that we will be by

[45:49] the time we open

[45:51] okay okay and then Mr tutoral yes um

[45:57] so residents absolutely children free um

[46:01] no charge um how do they prove they're a

[46:04] resident folks don't have a license and

[46:06] maybe they don't have a um an ID but we

[46:09] looking for the for the Youth to provide

[46:12] a student ID um to get in because they

[46:16] might have one from school so what

[46:18] happens um Saturday the gates open

[46:22] and well it's up to the C yeah we have

[46:27] generally used student IDs from the

[46:30] school district in past summers for

[46:33] access to Central Park Pool and the

[46:36] other facilities assume that that's

[46:39] going to continue okay City the past has

[46:42] had a

[46:44] recreation ID that was uh used for the

[46:49] tennis courts the golf course and other

[46:52] facilities that had uh shifted so that

[46:56] uh even though there's fee structures on

[46:58] the books for the tennis courts those

[47:01] are not collected uh the golf course set

[47:04] up is where there is a fee structure

[47:06] that is uh 100% enforced that becomes a

[47:10] self- sustaining entity mhm we used to

[47:13] get a a photo at the place in Central

[47:15] Park where the AL um we used to be able

[47:18] to get a resident photo there for for

[47:20] the golf course and other things that we

[47:21] were participating in city um so say um

[47:25] you know a young child shows up with

[47:27] their mom and their mom doesn't have

[47:28] anything this weekend can they bring the

[47:30] niok bill I just thinking I sometimes

[47:33] you bring that to um to the golf course

[47:36] to

[47:36] prove you're a resident you know a bill

[47:39] so I just you know want to make sure

[47:41] everyone that's entitled to get in there

[47:43] to swim this weekend and get in to swim

[47:46] so well but this weekend we're not

[47:48] asking anybody for anything right is

[47:50] that correct

[47:52] okay the having said that the Boys and

[47:55] Girls Club is going to use the same

[47:57] procedures that they used last year in

[47:59] Central Park where they still have to uh

[48:05] validate the number of people who are

[48:07] actually in the pool area because that

[48:10] dictates how many lifeguards we have to

[48:12] have on duty so they have collected the

[48:16] student ID or some counting procedure as

[48:20] people come into the facility and that

[48:22] will still be used just as it was uh in

[48:27] Prior years but we're not looking to

[48:29] restrict anybody in terms of their

[48:31] access other than there may be a

[48:33] quantity

[48:35] issue we would limit people because the

[48:38] capacity has been exceeded to match with

[48:40] lifeguards that makes

[48:42] sense Mr Williams but I'd also like to

[48:45] comment so to miss uh D Toro's Point

[48:48] like of how do you manage that fee

[48:49] structure and the collection of it I

[48:51] don't know if I agree well I don't agree

[48:53] but have

[48:58] he doesn't agree either I love that

[49:02] quote my train of thought with the Fe

[49:06] structures um uh excuse me so one with

[49:11] the with the Fe structures um

[49:16] wow

[49:18] my

[49:20] best no someone else has a question

[49:23] maybe it'll come back maybe it'll come

[49:25] back to you question Mr M yeah the hours

[49:28] of operation currently what are the

[49:30] hours for the pools that we have

[49:32] currently in the contract I believe

[49:34] until 12:30 to 6:30 12:30 to

[49:39] 6:30 they do some s these in the morning

[49:44] before that so couldn't be be open on a

[49:47] restricted

[49:49] basis Central fire are we talking about

[49:54] Central I think he's ready oh so oh

[49:58] sorry one second Mr Williams so 12:30 to

[50:01] 6:30 for the current pool that we have

[50:03] so we're now looking to have the

[50:05] same time slot for the Central Park Pool

[50:08] we're looking more of early

[50:10] morning no those are the public hours

[50:14] there's some swim lessons that they give

[50:17] scheduled before the op the general

[50:20] public and in terms of security um we're

[50:24] talking about um cameras and enfor

[50:27] security is that will be available

[50:32] yes okay um Mr Williams are you yep okay

[50:39] so say I wanted to also just have a

[50:41] reminder and correct me if I'm wrong Mr

[50:43] Mayor uh the emphasis with using a

[50:46] considerable amount of the or dollars to

[50:50] create a new resource was to help with

[50:52] the exploding maintenance fees to where

[50:54] it currently was in effect

[50:58] CR say that again where the Central Park

[51:01] Pool currently was it was just uh

[51:04] difficult a resource to manage just due

[51:06] to the the the Aging filtration system

[51:09] uh and among other issues whether it

[51:11] being closely uh near the the some of

[51:14] the animals that live around there so

[51:16] wanting to re uh move it should help

[51:21] with controlling some of those

[51:22] maintenance and and preventive

[51:24] maintenance costs in theory to some

[51:26] degree we basically had no filtration

[51:30] system on the original pool it was

[51:34] refilled every day it's our ability to

[51:36] generate uh very large quantities of

[51:40] high quality water at a very low

[51:43] price uh

[51:45] so some of that uh will be reduced but

[51:50] this pool by its nature where you're

[51:53] recirculating the water you do have

[51:54] filtration systems better controls there

[51:57] will be uh more of a maintenance issue

[52:00] in terms of people

[52:02] monitoring uh the systems

[52:06] and uh again there will be some upkeep

[52:08] on those systems to maintain the high

[52:11] quality of water and uh the overall

[52:14] character of the

[52:17] facility I think um one thing I just

[52:20] want to add just from going up there a

[52:21] few times this past week um remember

[52:25] that part of the project also had to do

[52:27] with the lighting and the roadway and

[52:30] parking access um it looks like there's

[52:33] about 36 additional parking spots I I

[52:36] was trying to count them as I was

[52:37] walking so I didn't get an exact number

[52:39] but um the lighting is going to really I

[52:42] just feel very significantly um increase

[52:46] some safety um at night time in that

[52:48] part of the that I mean this is just me

[52:51] anecdotally saying but I mean it looks

[52:53] really great so I encourage folks to go

[52:55] up there uh and check that out but I

[52:58] just it's it's world class and me

[53:01] there's no doubt when you see it and so

[53:03] I just really I'm hoping that whatever

[53:06] we can do security wise um will you know

[53:10] help keep the the buildings the bath

[53:12] house is just fabulous looking um I

[53:15] won't be here tomorrow I mean everyone

[53:17] knows that there is a it's tomorrow

[53:19] morning I believe is the uh ribbon

[53:20] cutting um so I hope that folks can get

[53:23] up there uh for that as well

[53:27] Mr Williams so I'd say two points one Mr

[53:29] Mayor if you wouldn't mind speaking I've

[53:31] heard myself I imagine it's the same for

[53:33] the council members people have walked

[53:35] up definitely uh laed at the new

[53:37] facility that's going to be there and

[53:38] like that's only parking there so I know

[53:41] this is the first phase of the

[53:43] reconfiguration of the park but then

[53:46] second I wanted to just point out I know

[53:48] there have been ongoing conversations

[53:50] now about security I think part of it is

[53:52] also challenging the community there are

[53:55] often times comments of this this is why

[53:56] we can't have nice things and I want to

[53:58] ensure that there's also an equal

[54:00] responsibility placed on our community

[54:02] residents of we can continue to make

[54:04] these Investments not only in our

[54:06] Renovations of properties throughout the

[54:08] building but also making sure that the

[54:09] city is and remains economically viable

[54:12] but if we are are chasing ourselves with

[54:16] having additional costs such as

[54:18] vandalism uh that makes it difficult to

[54:21] continue these types of efforts so I

[54:23] know that there are preventive ways to

[54:24] go about that I E surance camp

[54:27] and also with maybe increased police uh

[54:30] um patrols throughout the area but but I

[54:33] want to ensure to Mr um Farley's Point

[54:37] let's let's see how it is and then

[54:39] respond rather than putting in place

[54:41] some safeguards that might not

[54:42] necessarily be

[54:44] needed yeah I think I think that's what

[54:46] the mayor was um indicating in his

[54:48] opening remarks that that would be what

[54:50] we would be trying to do so I appreciate

[54:52] Mr Carly and Mr William's following up

[54:55] on that Mr

[54:56] um and I'd like to up to you of course

[55:00] your committee bring it back in two

[55:01] weeks and think about how we're you know

[55:03] my biggest concern is is is Mom or Dad

[55:06] can't bring

[55:08] me I'm Grandma's from out of town and

[55:11] now she you know she so it's up to the

[55:14] council you know to work on to decide on

[55:17] how we're going to move forward with a

[55:19] fe structure and and things like that

[55:22] actually the free structure part of it

[55:24] should really come out of the its

[55:25] administrative function so they it's

[55:28] like with the golf course they we don't

[55:29] create the fees they come to us they

[55:31] create the fees and then we say you know

[55:34] yes or no so really it would be the

[55:36] parks department we don't really have

[55:38] the capacity to do that it would really

[55:41] need to be the folks who work here on a

[55:43] you know daily basis and you know

[55:45] obviously we can provide suggestions but

[55:47] creating the feast and all of that is

[55:49] something that would it's administrative

[55:52] function and how it's done with all the

[55:54] other parts with the lifeguards with all

[55:56] that

[55:57] great other question well the end result

[56:00] is solely the proog of the city council

[56:02] so you know one example for this

[56:05] swimming pool is it is now designed for

[56:08] competitive swimming events

[56:12] yeah those type of things may increase

[56:15] our staffing costs or monitoring it so

[56:19] do you want to have those free for City

[56:23] students uh would there be a fee for for

[56:26] any group that's coming in doing a

[56:28] competitive swimming event uh do we only

[56:32] charge people outside of the city so

[56:36] there

[56:38] are things there again in terms of a

[56:41] policy decision solely the PRI of the

[56:43] counsil the policy yes but like the fees

[56:46] I don't know how we would you know or

[56:47] even how to how to like do like with the

[56:49] boys and girls club they came up with

[56:51] the process of how people um show ID and

[56:54] and how to do um and get get in so

[56:56] because we hired them to uh to do that

[57:00] so I would think I don't know there's um

[57:03] I know there's not a Parks director

[57:04] right now but I'm assuming there's other

[57:06] staff that would still be able to um you

[57:09] know provide us with some guide guidance

[57:13] on where we start with this I I think

[57:16] that's a good suggestion um especially

[57:18] when we start talking about tournaments

[57:20] um and what will happen because again

[57:22] it's definitely set up for that um as

[57:25] well so

[57:27] that would be outstanding if we if we

[57:28] could have 10 minutes I'd go wouldn't be

[57:31] a be in

[57:32] one so can we ask that um we get a

[57:36] recommendation sure um around some of

[57:38] these policies just like the tennis um

[57:41] although it's not being enforced but it

[57:44] will

[57:45] be I think you all know how I feel about

[57:47] the tennis uh fees so um yeah I think

[57:50] that and the same with the golf I mean

[57:52] we do get that presented to us um for

[57:55] discussion and and approval so um is

[57:58] that something that we

[57:59] can okay thank you um Mr Farley just

[58:04] what a good problem to have that we

[58:06] having in this beautiful asset in the

[58:08] middle of our city that's going to bring

[58:10] people um to see how amazing our city is

[58:13] so I just say it's good it's a good

[58:15] problem to have I look forward to

[58:16] working with the council to help figure

[58:18] it out some good stuff I agree I agree

[58:21] thank you is there any other business to

[58:23] come for health and Recreation

[58:26] okay i' look for a motion to adjourn Mo

[58:29] so um

[58:32] second second okay all in favor I all

[58:36] thank you thank you I'd like to call the

[58:38] order City development and planning we

[58:40] have 14 items on the agenda the first

[58:43] item is to issue the issuance of re

[58:46] revocable permit number

[58:48] 685 to social Hospitality Group Mr wall

[58:57] uh AP I left my packet on my desk so I'm

[58:59] just going to go through from memory on

[59:01] all these so the 685 social on state

[59:05] that was a permit that was brought to

[59:06] you previously about two sessions ago

[59:08] however there were some discrepancies

[59:10] between the applicant the insurance and

[59:12] the property owner so we were working

[59:14] with the property owner on making sure

[59:16] that all what's that no I I'm wor about

[59:20] this um and so now the applicant is the

[59:23] owner and the names are the similar uh

[59:25] as it's going to be on the insurance

[59:27] which was the issue so we should be okay

[59:29] with the issu of this per

[59:32] now any

[59:35] questions second all in favor I thank

[59:39] you item number two the award and bid in

[59:41] contract for the sment lake wall

[59:44] restoration yep um this was a project

[59:47] that is uh an ARA funded project as well

[59:50] as a Sam Grant funded project um it is

[59:53] for the restoration of the historic wall

[59:55] at Park um the project was scoped

[59:58] uniquely where the city will be

[1:00:00] purchasing and providing the materials

[1:00:02] and the contract is essentially for

[1:00:04] labor only um so the idea is this uh the

[1:00:08] company Jaan construction out of New

[1:00:10] York um City they will be coming up and

[1:00:13] Performing essentially masonry only work

[1:00:15] to repoint um modify the wall repair the

[1:00:18] wall and install pre-cast concrete caps

[1:00:21] the city will purchase the pre-cast

[1:00:24] concrete caps and then the uh needed

[1:00:26] mortar and uh grout for the for the

[1:00:29] project we did meet with them on site uh

[1:00:32] we did call five references because we

[1:00:34] weren't familiar with them and um they

[1:00:38] seemed like they they had their act

[1:00:39] together they have worked for other

[1:00:40] state agencies um they are working in

[1:00:43] almany right now um it's a small

[1:00:45] family-owned company uh they are an MB

[1:00:48] company and they're looking forward to

[1:00:50] doing work in the city uh we actually

[1:00:52] took them into account a couple areas to

[1:00:54] look at other projects in the city

[1:00:55] because to have uh Masons is something

[1:00:58] that is a skill that we we're looking

[1:01:00] for for this kind of stuff so we're

[1:01:03] comfortable awarding it the price was

[1:01:05] competitive

[1:01:06] and we'll see and this money is already

[1:01:09] in the ARA line for this

[1:01:13] project um Mr well can you just tell us

[1:01:15] a little bit about the timeline for this

[1:01:16] work well the timeline they are ready to

[1:01:18] go because they're labor only so what

[1:01:21] we're doing right now is I'm working

[1:01:22] with Sarah and purchasing on the caps

[1:01:25] but we were were concerned about was the

[1:01:27] costs we didn't want to order 420 caps

[1:01:31] and then this number come in out of

[1:01:33] budget and then we have caps and no

[1:01:36] labor so uh we wanted to try to get it

[1:01:38] so we have this number we already had

[1:01:40] the quotes from a local company that

[1:01:42] specializes in pre-cast and we don't

[1:01:44] need 420 caps tomorrow we just need them

[1:01:47] to start making the Caps so Sarah's

[1:01:49] already contacted their person uh

[1:01:52] earlier last later last week about

[1:01:55] getting in the caps and then the other

[1:01:57] materials are common shell materials so

[1:01:59] right now we're just waiting on the

[1:02:01] caps but I I don't have a schedule we're

[1:02:03] hoping fall I don't think this is a

[1:02:05] project you want to do in the dead of

[1:02:06] the summer because you know you're

[1:02:08] exposed you're out and uh I don't I

[1:02:10] don't think you know you want to do

[1:02:11] something more 100 but if we can get

[1:02:13] some of the caps on we're going to store

[1:02:14] the Caps uh right next to C and's yard

[1:02:17] there uh in stamus and then just start

[1:02:20] picking away at the and working forward

[1:02:22] they anticipate once they start it's

[1:02:24] going to be around probably I think a 6

[1:02:25] week projects for okay so

[1:02:29] thank any other

[1:02:31] questions a motion so second all in

[1:02:35] favor I item number three award and bid

[1:02:39] and award bidden contract for the north

[1:02:41] Fairy Street Pump Station exterior so

[1:02:44] this is another uh arpa funed project so

[1:02:47] as you're aware we have a new North

[1:02:48] fairy Pump Station uh that is put the

[1:02:51] existing or the previous North FY Pump

[1:02:53] Station uh as essentially abandoned City

[1:02:56] facility the building is historically

[1:02:58] significant and there was money approved

[1:02:59] to make sure that it does not get into a

[1:03:02] state of disrepair um the building is

[1:03:05] okay presently but it's not great so

[1:03:07] what the funding for this building is

[1:03:09] essentially seal the envelope we're

[1:03:10] going to be doing the windows similar

[1:03:12] that we did at City Hall removing the

[1:03:14] windows restoring the windows replacing

[1:03:16] any Rock uh reglazing the glass putting

[1:03:18] them back we're going to be replacing

[1:03:20] the roof um the reason for the roof is

[1:03:22] that the roof right now has over a dozen

[1:03:24] penetrations for

[1:03:26] various Vents and systems to come

[1:03:29] through because it was a pump house we

[1:03:30] have the vent we're going to remove all

[1:03:32] of those vents fill in where we can with

[1:03:35] uh concrete and steel and masonry and

[1:03:37] then do one flat roof with no

[1:03:39] penetrations so that will really seal

[1:03:41] the roof off a lot better to go to the

[1:03:43] parit we're going to remove all of the

[1:03:45] stucco from the building cuz if you look

[1:03:47] at the building the building is a series

[1:03:48] of Patchwork cuz stule was put on in

[1:03:51] various years so we're going to remove

[1:03:53] all of the stucco down to the block and

[1:03:56] then redo the stucco paint the building

[1:03:58] so it'll look from the outside like a

[1:04:01] preserved building the inside is a

[1:04:03] different story but from the outside

[1:04:04] it'll be weather tight and preserved and

[1:04:07] I know that the Stockade Association is

[1:04:08] working on lining up funding to try to

[1:04:11] address the interior of the building but

[1:04:13] this money is for the exterior of the

[1:04:15] building have we already done some work

[1:04:17] on this and started this process anywh

[1:04:19] all in the exterior no not not to M out

[1:04:22] Paul might have years ago but to M out

[1:04:24] no it's just

[1:04:26] it's there it's just a building and once

[1:04:28] again is one of the tricky situations

[1:04:30] that we're trying to work with Stockade

[1:04:31] is the reason that we built a new

[1:04:34] building where one of the many reasons

[1:04:36] was is that that building was determined

[1:04:38] to not be um cost effective to flood

[1:04:41] proof because it is in the flood plane

[1:04:42] so we built a new building that is flood

[1:04:45] resilient um so this is fine and I know

[1:04:48] that we haven't had any issues there but

[1:04:50] making significant investments into the

[1:04:52] building will be a complex subject going

[1:04:54] forward because that is why we abandoned

[1:04:56] the

[1:04:58] building okay any any questions all

[1:05:02] right motion some second all in favor I

[1:05:06] thank you and uh the fourth item is city

[1:05:11] council to assume role of Seeker lead

[1:05:12] Agency for the mobile haror I have a

[1:05:15] quick I'll try to make a brief this

[1:05:17] presentation to just show you where we

[1:05:18] are with this because it's part of the

[1:05:19] process okay sure

[1:05:39] okay so I don't know how many of you are

[1:05:42] aware of this project I'm sure you're

[1:05:44] all aware of in some part of you but it

[1:05:45] is a rather older project um that was

[1:05:48] done preo and it is something that we

[1:05:52] have been pushing along slow and

[1:05:54] steadily since then du of all the

[1:05:56] development really at Mohawk Harbor so

[1:05:59] um just to go through I I'll be quicker

[1:06:01] than this but we're going to I'm

[1:06:03] presenting it here I'm hoping to catch

[1:06:04] some publicity from possibly the the

[1:06:07] paper just to get it out there what

[1:06:08] we're doing we're going to have a public

[1:06:09] meeting next week at the Landing which

[1:06:11] is an official public meeting uh and

[1:06:14] then hopefully from there you know we'll

[1:06:16] get some input and then we're just going

[1:06:17] to move forward with the process um of

[1:06:20] the project so the overview is um the

[1:06:22] city received CFA Grant in 2019

[1:06:26] for the creation of a dot gameway in

[1:06:28] Plaza with path so it says um the idea

[1:06:31] was to create an access point to the

[1:06:33] river I don't know if many people

[1:06:35] realize it but even though we are a

[1:06:36] river front Community we do not have any

[1:06:38] docks or points of access to the river

[1:06:41] other than the parks so it's kind of

[1:06:43] unique when you go to other uh Riverside

[1:06:45] communities they usually have docks and

[1:06:47] we do not um there was a talk um several

[1:06:50] years ago um about putting a dock in

[1:06:52] Riverside Park but uh the ended up being

[1:06:55] controversial people didn't want the

[1:06:57] idea of a DOT down there so this is a

[1:06:59] DOT with an Upland Plaza and I will'll

[1:07:01] get into the location a little bit right

[1:07:03] here you'll see the location is we have

[1:07:06] uh an arena we have the future hotel

[1:07:08] which is improved um parking lot would

[1:07:10] be here parking lot Arena and then that

[1:07:12] is our Plaza and those are our docks and

[1:07:14] that is the RPI research facility so as

[1:07:17] I'll get into in a little bit there's a

[1:07:19] reason for all the delay um the project

[1:07:22] 2016 we put in some access 20 20 we got

[1:07:26] the grants with the skincity match of

[1:07:29] 15% um that's typical on these kind of

[1:07:32] projects you know 80 155s City released

[1:07:35] to design an RFP in 2021 after Co

[1:07:38] working with MJ and what's called

[1:07:40] waterfront Solutions so MJ is

[1:07:42] essentially handling all the Civil work

[1:07:43] and then Waterfront Solutions is

[1:07:45] handling the dot work they're a DOT

[1:07:47] company they also did the harbor for G

[1:07:51] um did a bath metric survey that is a

[1:07:53] survey of the riverbed uh 2022 the

[1:07:56] project was paused and that was we we

[1:07:59] rushed we got to a point and then it was

[1:08:01] Aquatic Center it was like okay where's

[1:08:03] the Aquatic Center going to go and it

[1:08:05] was never mind not an aquatic center

[1:08:06] arena it's like okay where's the arena

[1:08:08] going to go so we actually had a spot uh

[1:08:12] picked out and and in South there I can

[1:08:14] show you where we actually were going to

[1:08:16] put the the docks here MH um and we had

[1:08:20] a plan laid out and then the arena came

[1:08:22] forward and it was weight and so we

[1:08:24] didn't want to move it anymore so we

[1:08:26] waited until planning approval and

[1:08:28] everything was set with the arena and

[1:08:31] then we found a nice little spot in the

[1:08:33] middle the Nic thing about this location

[1:08:36] is that we are by a turnaround we're by

[1:08:38] parking the glassy group has said that

[1:08:41] that would be public parking they will

[1:08:42] allow people during the day to park

[1:08:44] there uh you know not event

[1:08:46] notwithstanding but you know there

[1:08:47] probably won't be event 24/7 and we are

[1:08:50] directly adjacent to the ALCO Heritage

[1:08:52] Trail so this will both be a overlook on

[1:08:55] the trail and the landing and we'll have

[1:08:58] parking and a drop off um you know be

[1:09:00] honest this has to be publicly

[1:09:02] accessible and probably get into that

[1:09:04] but people who know the area I do not

[1:09:06] see this going to be a full access dock

[1:09:10] for recreational purposes the reason

[1:09:12] being is at the gang way the gang way is

[1:09:14] going to be quite long to get down from

[1:09:16] the shore to the water and across the

[1:09:19] street by the lighthouse if you're

[1:09:20] familiar with the area it's the easiest

[1:09:23] launch in the area there's nothing

[1:09:25] easier that you park you launch it's 10

[1:09:28] ft you don't go down the gameway so I

[1:09:30] think that for people wanting to see the

[1:09:31] river and be involved and be by the

[1:09:33] water and fishing and all that but I

[1:09:35] really don't think that people will

[1:09:36] kayak and hip their kayaks down and

[1:09:38] things like that unless it's for the

[1:09:40] novelty of it because it is it is a

[1:09:43] slope um so the project the one stage

[1:09:45] like we said is the plaza which we're

[1:09:47] calling the plaza or the landing it's

[1:09:49] small 5,000 ft it will have lights it

[1:09:51] will have signs benches we are looking

[1:09:54] at very uh attractive welcome this

[1:09:56] connec because you have to understand

[1:09:57] that this is going to be now a new

[1:10:00] entrance way for the city this is going

[1:10:02] to be a Gateway we are looking at you

[1:10:04] know people who are called the Loopers

[1:10:06] who come from all around the country

[1:10:07] this is going to be allowing them to

[1:10:09] stop and go to SKC so we really want to

[1:10:11] make sure that we have a nice anchored

[1:10:14] site here that shows you where they are

[1:10:16] also we are talking with a Riverfront

[1:10:18] Cruise company that does small

[1:10:19] Riverfront cruises of 40 people on boats

[1:10:22] you know we limited by the locks so they

[1:10:24] would come in so this this is something

[1:10:26] that's important we're trying to make

[1:10:27] sure that we're working and we're also

[1:10:29] incorporating this into our drri WF

[1:10:31] finding because that also is going to

[1:10:33] connect to downtown so there's a lot of

[1:10:35] irons in the fire with this this will

[1:10:36] have water and this will have sanitary

[1:10:38] we are not getting into fuel fueling is

[1:10:41] a whole other animal we're going to

[1:10:42] allow the yacht club in places like that

[1:10:44] to handle fuel uh parking we say we'll

[1:10:46] be at the um there's a better idea you

[1:10:49] see the passenger drop off the trail and

[1:10:52] then the um the area itself we are going

[1:10:54] to have a Elric

[1:10:55] going to a large Transformer we'll try

[1:10:58] to landscape that make it as pretty as

[1:11:00] possible these are some of the things

[1:11:01] that we were looking at you know just to

[1:11:03] say venges that we are actually moving

[1:11:05] away from the arch but they took a

[1:11:07] picture of it we are moving away from

[1:11:08] the arch style um one of the things to

[1:11:10] point out is uh this one right here uh

[1:11:14] I've been to marinas before uh with my

[1:11:18] family and that is something that we are

[1:11:20] going to have to talk about and discuss

[1:11:22] going forward is what is public access

[1:11:25] what is not Public Access I'm proposing

[1:11:28] that the docks are publicly available

[1:11:31] from a time to a time and that it is

[1:11:33] posted and that after a certain time it

[1:11:37] could be sun down most likely uh the

[1:11:40] gate is locked and if you have a boat

[1:11:42] there you're have a code because one of

[1:11:45] the things that you're going to see is

[1:11:46] if you actually look at the river

[1:11:48] sometimes you will see million dollar

[1:11:50] boats multi-million dollar boats and we

[1:11:53] want to make it a safe environment that

[1:11:55] someone he feels and the voting

[1:11:56] Community is a very tight Community

[1:11:58] especially with internet social media

[1:12:00] forums uh we really are looking for it's

[1:12:03] open it's signed it's a public amenity

[1:12:06] and the sunlight come on down and then

[1:12:07] at night time you know what we're going

[1:12:09] to close it off you don't want people

[1:12:11] you know down on the docks it is a

[1:12:13] little tough to see we are going to have

[1:12:14] cameras and security we're are working

[1:12:16] at getting a dock management company but

[1:12:18] I just don't want you to think that is

[1:12:20] something that we're looking at is U and

[1:12:22] it's very common at commercial marine

[1:12:25] with this type of b um so the project

[1:12:28] just say it's two projects it's two

[1:12:30] contracts that's what we're saying it's

[1:12:31] a dock and it's a plaza so they're Ed

[1:12:34] differently they'll have to be

[1:12:35] progressed differently so we've already

[1:12:38] talked with the permitting we've got a

[1:12:40] lot of the permitting done this is the

[1:12:42] sear portion we're now going to reach

[1:12:43] out to all the involved agencies and

[1:12:45] talk to them about making sure that

[1:12:46] they're okay with it we have a stamp

[1:12:49] plans uh right now we're just going

[1:12:51] through all of the finals on it with the

[1:12:53] doc company um and and then we'll be

[1:12:56] done with seeker and then hopefully we

[1:12:58] issue a declaration later this year and

[1:13:00] then we're out to bid like it says in

[1:13:02] August we look in August we're going to

[1:13:04] have a lot of manufacturing time because

[1:13:06] these are custom very large docks uh and

[1:13:09] then as it shows doc delivery and Doc

[1:13:10] construction of next year we are one of

[1:13:14] the things just to also point out is we

[1:13:16] are struggling right now with schedule

[1:13:19] and when docs go in and when they

[1:13:20] wouldn't go in we are looking at if we

[1:13:22] can get docks in in this June July time

[1:13:27] frame it might make it worth it to put

[1:13:28] them in next year the arena will be

[1:13:30] substantially complete we're going to be

[1:13:32] working inside but we do not want to put

[1:13:34] docks in towards the end of the season

[1:13:37] because it's a lot of work to put them

[1:13:39] in you're using them for 3 weeks then we

[1:13:41] close so the timing of it is fluid of

[1:13:43] when we're really going to get it in uh

[1:13:45] the plaza similarly Plaza a lot of this

[1:13:48] is going to be uh driven by the arena

[1:13:50] which is adjacent CU we don't want to

[1:13:52] build a plaza and have a construction

[1:13:54] site around it like to do and the hotel

[1:13:56] hasn't even started yet so we have

[1:13:59] bi-weekly coordination meetings with

[1:14:01] gesi and the hotel and these are the

[1:14:03] things that we're tracking so right now

[1:14:06] it's a similar path but this doesn't

[1:14:07] have as long as the lead time is

[1:14:09] constructing of a dock uh and then I

[1:14:11] guess in conclusion I guess is just want

[1:14:14] to get out there that we're going to

[1:14:15] have a public meeting Wednesday the 26th

[1:14:18] 4:30 at the Landing Hotel we chose the

[1:14:20] Landing Hotel because we were looking

[1:14:21] for a place on site somewhere we're

[1:14:24] trying to get people inv well the

[1:14:25] problem with a project like this is It's

[1:14:27] essentially for transient people um you

[1:14:29] know the people that will be using the

[1:14:31] facility the most are not residents uh

[1:14:33] residents will use it for fishing and

[1:14:35] things like that but we do want to hear

[1:14:37] from people so we're looking at having a

[1:14:39] public meeting uh on 4:30 uh at the

[1:14:42] landing and then um like I said I think

[1:14:45] it's a great project it has a lot of

[1:14:47] fingers into everything else um and I'm

[1:14:50] looking forward to getting people's

[1:14:51] comments

[1:14:53] on I the other thing that is is

[1:14:56] expandable um 360 ft is what we can

[1:14:59] afford today if we find that the amenity

[1:15:03] is used and utilized we'll have to look

[1:15:06] at expanding uh the do you can't expand

[1:15:09] it uh to the north of

[1:15:11] the

[1:15:13] so

[1:15:17] questions I think it's a terrific

[1:15:19] project I mean I think it's something

[1:15:20] that we've been waiting for you know in

[1:15:22] terms of the initial design of the

[1:15:24] entire Mohawk Harbor and um I'm excited

[1:15:27] I'm very excited about it so looking

[1:15:29] forward to seeing its completion and

[1:15:31] there might be people in the apartments

[1:15:33] down there that might want some of the

[1:15:34] dog space that are residents in other Y

[1:15:38] and so we were going to have the meeting

[1:15:39] in the harbor house but we thought if we

[1:15:41] had it there it would be too convenient

[1:15:43] and we would overwhelm their community

[1:15:44] room so um our our partner our friends

[1:15:47] at gassie and Metroplex we're arranging

[1:15:50] the the uh the hotel which has a larger

[1:15:52] space for us to be able to use and this

[1:15:54] is really going to be a partnership

[1:15:56] project unique to what we've ever done

[1:15:57] because the the city will be the owner

[1:16:00] of the Docks but we already have a

[1:16:02] memorandum of understanding with the

[1:16:04] with the gesi group to help you know

[1:16:06] operate the docks we're going to have to

[1:16:08] store the docks these docks cannot be

[1:16:10] out in the winter time they'll be

[1:16:11] floated and stored uh within the harbor

[1:16:13] we're believing um you know we have uh

[1:16:17] the Dr that we're working on I can said

[1:16:19] Danielle's here for you know show the

[1:16:20] support of Metroplex uh with these

[1:16:23] projects and uh I we really think that

[1:16:26] it could be a great way to just promote

[1:16:28] the city to the Waterfront Community

[1:16:30] because we're just very uniquely we're

[1:16:32] uniquely positioned on both the river

[1:16:34] and the bike path and this is the river

[1:16:36] and the bike path together

[1:16:39] so

[1:16:40] great s are you anticipating any

[1:16:43] concerns from the public um I not I I

[1:16:47] really don't

[1:16:48] have because of the way everything came

[1:16:50] together uh the original plan like I

[1:16:52] showed you when we were a little more

[1:16:54] the parking was a little farther away

[1:16:56] the path was a little longer things were

[1:16:58] a little bit but with the the new spot

[1:17:00] where we are with the drop off in the

[1:17:02] parking and the way it kind of

[1:17:04] integrates into the site I I I really

[1:17:06] think it's a it's a win I really like it

[1:17:09] um I don't see what people would I

[1:17:11] haven't figured out what people would

[1:17:12] push back on then other than they don't

[1:17:14] want big boats but you know they're not

[1:17:16] they're not too noisy and they're in the

[1:17:18] river so I and this is a commercial area

[1:17:21] there's not you know that's not a

[1:17:22] condominium it's not an apartment

[1:17:24] building it's a hotel um so I I think I

[1:17:28] think it will be

[1:17:32] positive well thank you you answer my

[1:17:34] question was not own it we said yes so

[1:17:36] this is just for right now for secret

[1:17:38] purposes you know for sending out the

[1:17:39] letters and all that we'd like the the

[1:17:41] city to declare a lead Agency on this

[1:17:43] project and then we're going to move

[1:17:44] forward with our uh determination and

[1:17:47] reaching out to all the interested

[1:17:49] parties so I just wanted to kind of loop

[1:17:53] you guys into everything give the

[1:17:54] information

[1:17:55] thank you for that any

[1:17:57] questions I a motion so move second all

[1:18:01] those in favor you

[1:18:04] Mr all right item number five vapon

[1:18:07] smoke shop uh zoning ordinance Miss

[1:18:11] barash okay it's okay uh mad president

[1:18:15] I'll take I'll take this um in your

[1:18:18] package this past week you've got a

[1:18:20] revised uh uh uh ordinance um the

[1:18:26] comments came back orar to the uh

[1:18:28] General Municipal law from the county uh

[1:18:31] Planning Commission with their comments

[1:18:34] and uh there were uh uh which are

[1:18:39] highlighted in in the package I gave you

[1:18:41] in red um and that

[1:18:46] uh they just had a couple of questions

[1:18:49] really minor minor revisions to the

[1:18:52] overall text of the of the proposed

[1:18:56] ordinance

[1:19:01] um the uh minor edits and comments of

[1:19:04] the proes ordinance were attached the

[1:19:07] red the Reds uh were the items that were

[1:19:09] deleted the yellow items are the ones

[1:19:12] that were they suggested language um

[1:19:14] they had a couple of questions in the

[1:19:16] definition section um was added what was

[1:19:19] included in there is some uh medical

[1:19:21] marijuana and another marijuana uh

[1:19:26] definition they said it's not not in the

[1:19:29] rest of the the code the reason those

[1:19:31] were put in there in case you ever want

[1:19:33] to build off of this particular section

[1:19:36] of the code regarding cannabis

[1:19:39] operations so those definitions are

[1:19:41] already in there and that's how come

[1:19:43] it's not referenced in there but in case

[1:19:44] you ever want to build off of it

[1:19:46] definitions are already included and

[1:19:48] then the last part of this the last page

[1:19:51] uh dealing with the uh ammonization

[1:19:55] um oversight on my part that language

[1:19:58] came from our City Zoning code dealing

[1:20:00] with adult establishments um that that

[1:20:04] reference wasn't deleted it should have

[1:20:06] been was deleted um regarding the issue

[1:20:09] of amortization I know there was some

[1:20:11] discussion on this on this the last time

[1:20:14] and what it means is that if you adopt

[1:20:17] this ordinance you the the vape shops

[1:20:21] that are in those areas that you've

[1:20:22] declared them not to be

[1:20:25] legal um would have one year to wrap up

[1:20:28] their business now if they wish to

[1:20:31] extend past that one year then they

[1:20:34] would have to go to the zoning board of

[1:20:36] appeals to prevent uh financial

[1:20:39] information as to why this would be a

[1:20:41] hardship and they they can't abide by

[1:20:44] that onee uh deadline so there's an

[1:20:46] appeal process through the zoning board

[1:20:49] of appeals that language is is from as I

[1:20:52] indicated from our zoning code dealing

[1:20:54] with both businesses so that same type

[1:20:57] of appeal process is already in our code

[1:21:00] and is just placed into this uh section

[1:21:02] regarding Vapes shops smoke shops Etc in

[1:21:05] the alternative if you just wanted to

[1:21:09] not get into that and and just have

[1:21:12] these establishments stay past that one

[1:21:15] year then they'd become a legal

[1:21:16] non-conforming use what does that mean

[1:21:18] they can stay as long as they're

[1:21:20] continuing an operation as a vape shop

[1:21:23] but if they vacate it then whoever came

[1:21:26] in would not it's not zoned for that

[1:21:29] particular

[1:21:31] use so if you want you know it can be

[1:21:34] the language there can be changed in

[1:21:36] which it will become a legal

[1:21:37] non-conforming use for after one year um

[1:21:42] or on the alternative you know keep that

[1:21:44] language

[1:21:45] regarding mization in there uh for for

[1:21:50] uh for it so it's really up to you but

[1:21:53] it's it's your option I know there was

[1:21:55] concern discussion last time so I just

[1:21:57] want to flex that a little a little

[1:22:02] bit so I I I do have a concern about you

[1:22:05] know after a year saying you have to

[1:22:07] prove that you're financially you need

[1:22:09] to stay here so um I essentially think

[1:22:12] that's that's that's an opportunity for

[1:22:13] us to put people out the business where

[1:22:15] they currently are if they're there

[1:22:17] legally so um I I have concern about

[1:22:20] that and I think that I'm just to have

[1:22:22] them stay with the um um

[1:22:25] then allowing them to be there and not

[1:22:27] have to come before the zoning board

[1:22:29] every year is is the way that I would

[1:22:31] prefer that we approach this particular

[1:22:34] um uh situation with these

[1:22:37] establishments but obviously input from

[1:22:39] the other council

[1:22:43] members I mean the language we could use

[1:22:46] I mean if we want if you wanted to go

[1:22:48] down that route and delete that

[1:22:50] particular portion it would be that all

[1:22:51] such facilities or establishments la

[1:22:55] actually operating open to the public on

[1:22:57] the date of the adoption of this

[1:22:59] particular order shall be permitted to

[1:23:01] continue as a legal non-conforming use

[1:23:03] and all others will be declared unlawful

[1:23:05] prohibited so and our zone of law deals

[1:23:09] with non-performing uses and what if

[1:23:10] they're discontinued

[1:23:13] it it would if there's a discontinuance

[1:23:16] if it's not continuous operating then it

[1:23:18] would revert to it would be a

[1:23:20] non-conforming use the new outfit

[1:23:23] understood Mr Willams So to that point

[1:23:26] is the non-conforming use extended to

[1:23:28] the business or to the business owner

[1:23:29] meaning if the business no it's the

[1:23:31] business the B

[1:23:32] jobs or I meant to to like a singular

[1:23:35] business it's the type of business

[1:23:37] that's gone in

[1:23:39] there it's it's the type of business and

[1:23:43] and and and the definition the

[1:23:45] definition section covers all that so I

[1:23:49] I know it's it would be the type of

[1:23:52] business it's thank

[1:23:57] you so suggestion is to keep the current

[1:24:01] language that we have we're not putting

[1:24:02] them out to business just they would

[1:24:03] have to move after the year in approve

[1:24:06] the approved area that is zoned for this

[1:24:09] so I think there is opportunity for them

[1:24:10] to kind of like work until they are

[1:24:13] ready to move into the approv area

[1:24:16] and that is z for for Fen smoke

[1:24:21] shops so I think what that comes into to

[1:24:24] play here is how many vape shops are

[1:24:27] there how much room is there in these um

[1:24:30] in these approved areas because we have

[1:24:33] a there's a distance right they have to

[1:24:35] stay apart so if we're limiting the area

[1:24:39] and within that area we're limiting the

[1:24:42] proximity that could impact businesses

[1:24:44] if there's enough businesses like then

[1:24:46] we run out of space what happens to

[1:24:47] those individuals so those you know are

[1:24:50] are also part of my concerns because if

[1:24:52] we do that then essentially somebody

[1:24:54] would have may have to go at business

[1:24:57] so well they're allowed to for a year

[1:25:02] extension they would have to they would

[1:25:05] be allowed to operate from one year from

[1:25:07] the from the when you adopt this

[1:25:09] ordinance

[1:25:10] say July 15th or whatever one year they

[1:25:14] can continue after that one year if they

[1:25:17] wish to remain in business um a form

[1:25:21] would need to be developed for them to

[1:25:23] go before the zon board of appeals for

[1:25:25] them to demonstrate financial hardship

[1:25:27] as as to why they should be allowed to

[1:25:30] operate for a period of time after the

[1:25:33] end of the after the after that uh

[1:25:36] one-ear period in their current position

[1:25:39] in their current

[1:25:44] position well last count there were 39

[1:25:47] smoke shops um in the city plus we know

[1:25:52] that more have developed and popped up

[1:25:54] and um don't have proper um you know

[1:25:58] aren aren't properly documented on the

[1:26:01] books to even operate so I noticed one

[1:26:03] the other day with with the windows were

[1:26:05] all sealed up and it's got a big sign in

[1:26:07] in the window 8m but it's the dragons or

[1:26:11] it's a smoke shop but anyway um so I I'm

[1:26:14] in in in agreeance with to leaving it

[1:26:17] that you know they'd have to come before

[1:26:18] the board of appeals to uh keep their

[1:26:21] position uh if they can prove it's a

[1:26:23] hardship but other than that as far as

[1:26:26] um we we don't need six in one block um

[1:26:28] so I I do like you know how things are

[1:26:31] going to be um stated in the moratorium

[1:26:34] I'm I'm sorry I'm off for small business

[1:26:35] I'm a small business but um you know we

[1:26:38] have we have a lot of Youth out there um

[1:26:40] that are walking by these smoke shops

[1:26:42] and and I'm just not in favor of them um

[1:26:45] there's more than enough places that

[1:26:46] they'll be able to establish their

[1:26:49] business I don't know if there's nor

[1:26:51] enough places I don't know if we've done

[1:26:53] with the if we moved all 39 to this to

[1:26:56] what's El to what's would be available

[1:26:59] um to what we're zoning it for I don't

[1:27:00] know that there's enough places so I I

[1:27:02] do have that concern about someone not

[1:27:05] being able to I

[1:27:06] don't not being able to um to continue

[1:27:09] with their business whether it's a

[1:27:11] business that I approve or not that's

[1:27:12] not really why I'm here it's it's if

[1:27:14] it's a legal business and they're you

[1:27:16] know it's something that they can

[1:27:17] legally do then I don't uh I I don't

[1:27:21] that we I think that we should just go

[1:27:24] with leg and non-conforming that's

[1:27:26] that's how I see

[1:27:33] this Mr the last time of we discussed

[1:27:36] this we were talking about the 40% um

[1:27:39] allow

[1:27:41] for

[1:27:43] yeah yes there was no comment from the

[1:27:45] the the County planning on that amount

[1:27:48] and uh that 40% we the 40% is still in

[1:27:53] right um

[1:27:55] because they have not met yet they that

[1:27:57] the city planning at City Planning they

[1:27:59] were not able to take that take that

[1:28:03] off

[1:28:08] [Music]

[1:28:09] so and um I think Mr Mr ran said if they

[1:28:14] because they didn't have anything

[1:28:15] official and I asked for something

[1:28:16] official they didn't have anything so

[1:28:18] they won't take it up until the next

[1:28:19] meeting and if they do then it's

[1:28:20] certainly something that we could amend

[1:28:22] they came up with a specific

[1:28:25] um percentage and the reason why they

[1:28:27] came up with that specific percentage me

[1:28:29] if they could come up with a percentage

[1:28:31] they could bring it before you as a as

[1:28:34] as a transmitt and saying that the their

[1:28:37] number is whatever and then you would

[1:28:39] have the opportunity to amend the

[1:28:41] ordinance if you so desire at that

[1:28:45] point yes I I think president P field

[1:28:48] and I even we agreed on the fact that

[1:28:50] you know whatever they want to put in

[1:28:52] their shop or or you know the % was you

[1:28:55] know we didn't have an issue with with

[1:28:58] them you know keeping that at 40% um you

[1:29:02] know they have a shop they can sell

[1:29:04] everything legally in there whatever

[1:29:06] they want and whoever's going into the

[1:29:07] shop is going in there for a specific

[1:29:09] reason anyway um for products and so I

[1:29:14] don't think there was an issue with the

[1:29:15] percentage of of the space inside the

[1:29:18] building what they could

[1:29:21] sell yes so

[1:29:25] they were suggesting the members from

[1:29:27] the zoning

[1:29:28] board plan commission

[1:29:32] 25% no they never gave a number the the

[1:29:35] other localities had gone down to 20 20

[1:29:39] 25% that was just as a as a reference

[1:29:42] point but I don't think we did not get a

[1:29:45] hard number from the uh City Planet

[1:29:48] commission correct So currently it's 40

[1:29:51] it's 40% in a draft other display area

[1:30:07] yes Mr Williams so I think I'm just

[1:30:09] being transparent with my thoughts as

[1:30:11] everyone else has been uh I I I find

[1:30:14] myself citing more with Miss Doro and I

[1:30:16] understand that they're going to be in

[1:30:18] consequences of like our actions where

[1:30:20] 39 is a rather large number um I think

[1:30:23] we only have hesitation with the

[1:30:25] non-conformances and then correct me if

[1:30:27] I'm wrong it would only apply to

[1:30:29] individuals that were in that quote

[1:30:30] unquote good standing so if you had

[1:30:32] individuals that weren't uh putting in

[1:30:34] place like the proper marketing for

[1:30:35] square footage like I would no it it

[1:30:38] would be anybody could put in put in

[1:30:40] request to the zoning board of appeals

[1:30:42] because it's looking at dollars and

[1:30:43] cents proof as to whether or not they're

[1:30:49] uh you know they put they put in a

[1:30:51] substantial Financial expend

[1:30:54] related to the nonconformity and that

[1:30:57] that the the closing down would would

[1:30:59] would have would have a financial impact

[1:31:02] upon them so it's a continuation you

[1:31:05] could essentially have businesses

[1:31:06] continuing on without making any

[1:31:09] adjustments I don't understand the

[1:31:11] question well we're highlighting wanting

[1:31:14] to adjust the behavior so I applied for

[1:31:17] a

[1:31:19] non-conformance to not have to like

[1:31:22] alter like where my business is

[1:31:24] yeah you would what no what you're

[1:31:25] saying to the zon board of appeals I'm

[1:31:28] at this

[1:31:29] street the the deadline has come down I

[1:31:32] have in I I've invested x amount of

[1:31:36] dollars into this therefore I feel that

[1:31:39] if I should expend more I should the

[1:31:42] deadline should not apply to me and that

[1:31:45] that way I should stay

[1:31:49] longer because it's impacting me

[1:31:51] financially

[1:31:54] did no I was going to ask add to that so

[1:31:58] when you stay longer in ter is there a

[1:32:00] time to recuit there it would be it

[1:32:03] would be it would really depend on a

[1:32:06] Case by case basis of how much they put

[1:32:08] in how long they've been there dollars

[1:32:10] and cents proof provided to the zonian

[1:32:13] board of appeals so this point like they

[1:32:16] can go on for another year it would all

[1:32:18] depend all depends yeah it all depends

[1:32:27] and it would be the prior to the

[1:32:29] non-conformity the non-conformity is one

[1:32:32] year in other words those individuals

[1:32:34] that that put into their put the

[1:32:37] business in

[1:32:39] really um since we've had the uh The

[1:32:44] Vape Shop moratorium since uh March it

[1:32:48] would be you see that it would be a

[1:32:50] longer period of time so a longer period

[1:32:53] of time

[1:32:54] it would be indicate that they would

[1:32:56] have more return on their investment

[1:32:57] because the non-conformity would occur

[1:33:00] July

[1:33:02] 15th but presumably they've been were in

[1:33:06] had their business there prior to when

[1:33:09] you except it's had the moratorium put

[1:33:12] in place back in March the legal

[1:33:15] businesses right

[1:33:25] so that seems to be the only sticking

[1:33:26] point are we

[1:33:28] moving are we I'm happy to move

[1:33:31] this are we moving in tonight y yeah

[1:33:35] we're ready to we already have I mean as

[1:33:36] amended it can go forward and put a new

[1:33:39] language in the red language deleted the

[1:33:42] yellow just so you know um so our we're

[1:33:48] you I know they are they're not in color

[1:33:49] so you don't know what language is being

[1:33:50] deleted which language I read it read

[1:33:54] it's it's bracketed well

[1:33:57] Sor it's bracketed it's highlighted may

[1:34:01] not

[1:34:02] be yeah

[1:34:05] yes Mr M so I I'm in favor of keeping

[1:34:09] the language that is point here and let

[1:34:11] these business come back before the

[1:34:13] zoning board um to kind of like discuss

[1:34:16] their financial um you know at a plus or

[1:34:19] minus and and board would allow them to

[1:34:22] extend give them an EXT extension to

[1:34:24] continue the business until they can uh

[1:34:27] their expenditure because the sole

[1:34:29] purpose of us is to centralize these

[1:34:31] business in approv zoning area so if we

[1:34:35] were to say it'll change it back but it

[1:34:38] doesn't serve any purpose so we're doing

[1:34:39] here right I agre the so Focus was to to

[1:34:43] to uh to centralize them in one

[1:34:47] area uh that's you know we kind of tried

[1:34:49] to do that a while back with the um what

[1:34:52] with those adult shop and I that that

[1:34:54] turned out to be a problem I don't know

[1:34:56] if you remember that you would probably

[1:34:57] be the only one that would um

[1:35:01] so um so and and we were also if I

[1:35:06] remember correctly one of the main

[1:35:08] reasons for this was

[1:35:10] to start to kind of um take a look at

[1:35:14] businesses that are operating on with

[1:35:16] not they're not uh operating in

[1:35:19] compliance with what the you know City's

[1:35:21] rules and expectations are and and this

[1:35:25] moratorium was to kind of stop the from

[1:35:28] popping up all over the place where we

[1:35:30] can manage what was in front of us right

[1:35:31] so that okay right um and and with that

[1:35:36] so mayor in terms of the enforcement and

[1:35:39] for those that are legal versus illegal

[1:35:40] do we have any type of update on the on

[1:35:43] of the 39 is what M Toro says but I I

[1:35:46] kind of think your number is

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[1:35:50] low uh seen an updated listly

[1:35:52] enforcement we can put put that together

[1:35:54] and we have it two weeks to get it out

[1:35:56] to you by the end of the week the

[1:35:59] beginning of next

[1:36:10] week the other thing for me um and I

[1:36:13] guess I would ask this view mayor as

[1:36:14] well if someone can map it out um if we

[1:36:17] can have it map out where they currently

[1:36:18] exist as

[1:36:22] well we did that it's not updated I just

[1:36:25] updated updated but we did get the map

[1:36:28] well like you said there she said

[1:36:30] there's more popping up and just um yeah

[1:36:35] the neighborhoods that doing

[1:36:37] so

[1:36:41] okay so you're suggesting that we just

[1:36:43] move ahead with it as it currently is

[1:36:45] and let them um come before this Zing

[1:36:48] for yes that is what I'm suggesting we

[1:36:50] move as Sal and this this l

[1:36:54] with the language that's currently

[1:36:55] before us as and um mrri when would they

[1:37:00] have to when would this from July 15th

[1:37:02] until July 15th

[1:37:03] 2025 is whenever the you know it has to

[1:37:07] pass the the council so and when the

[1:37:10] mayor signs it and the resol as the

[1:37:12] ordinance says this this ordinance take

[1:37:14] shall take effect immediately so upon

[1:37:16] the mayor's signature or 10 days

[1:37:18] whatever that is pursuant to the code

[1:37:21] that will be the of the year will will

[1:37:23] start at that point okay and if for some

[1:37:26] reason this obviously doesn't work out

[1:37:28] we could always come back in absolutely

[1:37:30] if you ever want to revisit it like any

[1:37:32] ordinance you can always bring this back

[1:37:35] if it's not not if you want to revisit

[1:37:38] it at end of time you can put back on

[1:37:41] and if you want to amend it there will

[1:37:43] be another public hearing or you just

[1:37:45] want to have a discussion on that

[1:37:47] certainly it can always be

[1:37:49] Revisited

[1:37:52] okay that's

[1:37:55] move and I'll

[1:37:57] second so I will just make the statement

[1:38:00] that um I will um support this however

[1:38:03] if people come to us and say there's a

[1:38:04] hardship then I would want this brought

[1:38:06] be before this Council to be Revisited I

[1:38:09] don't want to put a hardship on any

[1:38:10] small businesses so with that c up all

[1:38:13] in favor I I Madam CH uh M Madam

[1:38:17] president that that could always be the

[1:38:18] case if you want to revisit that

[1:38:20] language in the last portion of the

[1:38:21] ordinance along the discussion items

[1:38:24] we've talked about earlier and just one

[1:38:26] other item it's a it's a type two Seeker

[1:38:29] action yes and I would just ask that

[1:38:31] that also that resolution that what yes

[1:38:36] it is is it on there it's

[1:38:39] it's we have there's a Seeker resolution

[1:38:43] yeah we'll have the SE it's right here

[1:38:45] right page 159 page

[1:38:47] 159 the seek a resolution declaring is a

[1:38:50] type two action

[1:38:53] 159 is the packet

[1:39:01] yeah so you need that as to declare yes

[1:39:05] it's a I'm saying it's not on the agenda

[1:39:06] yeah that's what it said yes thank

[1:39:11] you

[1:39:18] okay okay so we U so the the next item

[1:39:21] is to um

[1:39:24] declare the adoption of the ordinance

[1:39:26] creating section 264-1111 of the code um

[1:39:30] is not subject to environmental review

[1:39:32] of the state quality review act so we me

[1:39:36] that resolution move it second all in

[1:39:41] favor okay thank you thank you madam

[1:39:44] president thank you mran and um just um

[1:39:47] Mr ran have this and I have this quick

[1:39:49] conversation when we were um at the

[1:39:51] legislative conference about the um

[1:39:54] incoming cannabis shops and that we

[1:39:57] should at some point maybe even talk

[1:39:59] about the um how that works in the

[1:40:01] zoning of that as you can see we have

[1:40:03] the new people's joint on State Street

[1:40:06] that's the name of it I didn't make it

[1:40:07] up

[1:40:09] John um so and there's um I checked with

[1:40:13] the Office of canonist Management and

[1:40:14] there's at least three more that are

[1:40:16] pending um and are prepared to come

[1:40:20] within the city so um I don't know that

[1:40:22] there's a limit on how many we can have

[1:40:25] so that's a question so just so you know

[1:40:29] that's a that's a question I'm going to

[1:40:30] be asking the office management I don't

[1:40:33] I couldn't find anywhere where there was

[1:40:34] a limit on how many applications and

[1:40:37] currently I can't remember the number

[1:40:39] that we have but we have quite a few

[1:40:41] applications that have come through the

[1:40:42] clerk's office saying they they want to

[1:40:44] be here and they've given the various

[1:40:46] addresses where they want to be so um

[1:40:49] I'll be following up on that and making

[1:40:51] the council aware M president you want

[1:40:54] to discuss that next time in two weeks

[1:40:57] okay that would be

[1:40:59] uh 131 of the Cannabis law

[1:41:05] okay

[1:41:09] thank all right thank you um the next

[1:41:12] item is the discussion of rules of deor

[1:41:14] during City Council meetings uh we came

[1:41:16] up with these rules a while ago and I'm

[1:41:18] not asking for anything to be um I'm not

[1:41:21] asking any rules to be changed or

[1:41:23] anything

[1:41:24] but what I am would like to see is um we

[1:41:28] put those out there but nowhere does it

[1:41:29] state that once you sign up that you're

[1:41:32] willing to abide by those rules so I

[1:41:34] just wanted to add that

[1:41:36] statement um so that there's some level

[1:41:39] of enforcement of if that's the term you

[1:41:41] want to use so they're right there

[1:41:42] before you as they currently stand but

[1:41:44] just adding number 17 and says by

[1:41:46] signing up to speak that you agree to

[1:41:49] adhere to the Corum of the council

[1:41:52] meetings

[1:41:55] so maybe add that to the sign up um

[1:41:57] sheets well the sign up sheets already

[1:41:59] have all of these on here but that

[1:42:02] statement yes and just adding that to

[1:42:04] what's Already Done Right mhm

[1:42:07] yes yeah

[1:42:10] I'm that's it for that so so we need to

[1:42:13] move a motion for that I think we do so

[1:42:16] move I'm sorry but then should it

[1:42:17] includeed like specific language saying

[1:42:19] if you don't like you're relinquishing

[1:42:21] your ability to use this platform is

[1:42:23] that what we're implying or is

[1:42:27] that I'm sorry can you say that again

[1:42:30] does it also need to include like

[1:42:31] specific language that states you're not

[1:42:35] adhering to this means that you're

[1:42:36] relinquishing your ability to speak at

[1:42:38] this point well I think number 16 kind

[1:42:42] of um covered that that we'll remove I I

[1:42:47] um I think we have to look a little

[1:42:49] further into um whether or not we could

[1:42:52] say that

[1:42:54] specifically Mr you want

[1:42:57] talk sure was there a question it was it

[1:43:00] was regarding the the acknowledge the

[1:43:02] acknowledgement or whether that it could

[1:43:04] be uh uh whether you could enforce it to

[1:43:08] the point where people so vacate their

[1:43:10] or wave their ability to speak if we if

[1:43:14] we if we said okay when you write when

[1:43:16] you sign this you acknowledge you'll go

[1:43:17] by these rules what Mr Williams was

[1:43:19] asking is if we could add something that

[1:43:21] says and if you don't then you really

[1:43:23] relinquish your ability to be able to

[1:43:25] have privilege of the

[1:43:28] floorever I'm sorry is that what

[1:43:32] you're well not forever but I mean for

[1:43:34] the for meeting I mean essentially if

[1:43:36] you have someone that disregards it what

[1:43:38] happens they keep going well I think I

[1:43:41] think Miss P I think Mr Charlie had his

[1:43:45] hand up first so I don't know oh yeah no

[1:43:48] I was just um just want to be really

[1:43:52] careful like as we're adding I think

[1:43:55] that that that's a fair suggestion say

[1:43:57] like you know by signing this you're

[1:43:59] acknowledging that that you're expected

[1:44:02] to act Within These data parameters I

[1:44:04] just um as far as like consequences if

[1:44:07] you

[1:44:08] will um we have to just be mindful you

[1:44:11] know we don't want to discourage people

[1:44:13] to you know after every time people come

[1:44:16] up the sleep we always thank them for

[1:44:18] their input um and I just want to make

[1:44:20] sure that we encourage more of that and

[1:44:22] just be mindful that's all I guess I

[1:44:24] would say about like balancing that

[1:44:28] on what people's

[1:44:31] uh ability to come down and speak I

[1:44:33] think is important

[1:44:35] that's I'm comfortable yes M Gage um I

[1:44:39] would request and recommend uh that we

[1:44:43] do some legal review of that prior to

[1:44:46] passing this

[1:44:48] forward review that if they sign it that

[1:44:50] there're adhering to it um yeah look at

[1:44:53] into um the legalities of

[1:44:57] that

[1:44:59] okay could you let us know in two weeks

[1:45:03] absolutely um and and I guess we need to

[1:45:06] further discuss if we want to even

[1:45:08] consider adding what Mr Williams has

[1:45:11] suggested Miss Patrick I think um that

[1:45:14] number I agree with you that number 16

[1:45:16] covers um a consequence but um so I

[1:45:20] think after Corporation C has the

[1:45:23] opportunity to review um but I think

[1:45:26] that does sort of State

[1:45:29] consequences um and I think yeah I I

[1:45:32] agree and I think that it's important

[1:45:34] that we you know um let people know what

[1:45:37] what the expectation is but um I am with

[1:45:41] as Mr gley I'm kind of like want to be

[1:45:43] careful of the over

[1:45:47] policing yes Mr Farley cuz some I mean

[1:45:50] cuz some of the language I mean even

[1:45:52] though I think that you might have a

[1:45:54] pretty clear well at least a uh we might

[1:45:57] be able to build consensus around what

[1:45:59] we think is vulgar or inflammatory you

[1:46:01] know I think that something that you do

[1:46:04] really well is if if people seem to be

[1:46:06] Crossing that line you remind them and I

[1:46:09] think that and what usually happens from

[1:46:11] what I have my experience when someone

[1:46:13] says something um that might be closely

[1:46:16] getting ready to cross that line you

[1:46:18] address them and then they uh are more

[1:46:21] mindful in their words and and I think

[1:46:23] that that's important because I think

[1:46:25] that when we put something on paper

[1:46:26] saying if you do this then this is the

[1:46:29] consequence well maybe to some people

[1:46:33] some of the things that they might be

[1:46:34] saying might not be inflammatory and or

[1:46:37] threaten right we might perceive them

[1:46:39] differently so I like that at least

[1:46:42] that kind of uh guard rail of you just

[1:46:45] saying hey that's you're you know you're

[1:46:48] getting close to this thing so I just

[1:46:49] think that that's important too and I

[1:46:51] think that that might have to be in some

[1:46:52] langage as well because that is really

[1:46:55] that might just be something that you do

[1:46:57] as you know as a matter of practice and

[1:46:58] not necessarily a matter of policy so I

[1:47:01] know we're talking about policy

[1:47:04] here well again I me I think that it

[1:47:07] looks like five of us agreed to this um

[1:47:09] not saying that we wouldn't ever change

[1:47:11] our minds but um we we did vote for this

[1:47:15] and you know it's it's pretty clear in

[1:47:18] terms of the language that's that's

[1:47:20] that's here and I agree that I think the

[1:47:23] council president um as you did last

[1:47:26] week for example you opened the meeting

[1:47:28] really kind of reminding people about um

[1:47:32] the public comment period um and then

[1:47:36] did you know kind of um that's the word

[1:47:39] I'm looking for Marshall uh the

[1:47:42] discussion um so I think that that's I

[1:47:45] think what you're saying as well that um

[1:47:47] you know we do have that ability for the

[1:47:49] council president um to

[1:47:53] make an announcement and then you know

[1:47:55] has the timer and has the ability to I

[1:47:58] think you've you know many times have

[1:47:59] said direct your comments here you have

[1:48:02] you have different statements or the

[1:48:04] council president has different

[1:48:05] statements that that does sort of keep

[1:48:07] the

[1:48:08] conversation going within you know

[1:48:11] appropriateness appropriate

[1:48:13] guidelines so I'm I'm fine with just

[1:48:16] saying that one if um once we um make

[1:48:19] sure that it's legally um okay to do

[1:48:24] yes Mr yeah Madam president just a

[1:48:27] question when you know they would be

[1:48:29] free to sign it or not sign it in other

[1:48:32] words that would that impact them being

[1:48:34] called or not yes with no name no I

[1:48:37] can't call you so that would go for

[1:48:39] their sign signing once you sign that's

[1:48:41] the only that's how we know to call a

[1:48:43] person up to speak and it also clearly

[1:48:45] states that once the meeting's begun you

[1:48:47] cannot um then um be you know be signed

[1:48:51] up to speak so so your signature is what

[1:48:54] gets you get your name called that's how

[1:48:56] we but we don't have right now have them

[1:48:57] signing this type of document no no it's

[1:49:00] just the sign and Sheet the sign sheet

[1:49:02] has this on it okay but it's not an

[1:49:04] acknowledgement you're looking for for

[1:49:06] wording where it says this acknowledges

[1:49:08] you've read the above and BU as part of

[1:49:11] this yes okay as as part of where what

[1:49:13] we already have just the last thing to

[1:49:15] say and signing that you agree to these

[1:49:17] rules okay all right and of course as we

[1:49:21] do with any changes we'll just make sure

[1:49:23] that's clear to the public okay um when

[1:49:25] they come okay mhm thank

[1:49:29] you so we'll put bring this back well

[1:49:31] you'll let us know in two weeks whether

[1:49:33] it is or not we'll have the information

[1:49:35] absolutely okay thank

[1:49:40] you okay

[1:49:42] um and the next item is just a reminder

[1:49:45] regarding the Amendments of the zoning

[1:49:46] ordinance relating to the Hamilton Hill

[1:49:48] Redevelopment planning Redevelopment

[1:49:50] plan also referred to as conect 340 and

[1:49:54] the public hearing is going to be on the

[1:49:56] 24th

[1:49:58] of um June so as just a

[1:50:03] reminder the remainder of the items will

[1:50:06] have to be done in the executive

[1:50:09] session so I ask for a motion to go

[1:50:11] second session

[1:50:14] second all in

[1:50:16] favor members of the public will have to

[1:50:18] leave I

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