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[4:52] I'd like to call to ord connected city

[4:54] council committee meeting for

[4:56] Monday July 1st and mayor

[5:06] oh sorry

[5:09] sorry thank

[5:16] you

[5:18] thanks thank you

[5:31] want to reconvene the uh s the urban

[5:34] renewal

[5:36] agency uh have one item before us

[5:38] tonight the appointment a uh Contracting

[5:42] officer is required state law and then

[5:46] would in the next cycle entertain

[5:49] modifications to the

[5:52] bylaws so that council president has

[5:55] some issues on that staff has some

[5:57] issues to like other things to bring up

[6:00] to date along with this one particular

[6:03] component so at this point I for the

[6:06] intern would entertain a motion to

[6:08] appoint Alexander Carver as the

[6:11] Contracting officer for

[6:14] Surah mve

[6:16] by Patrick have a second seconded

[6:19] by Toro all in favor I I any oppos

[6:24] resolution carries uh five six I two abs

[6:33] anything else to come before the

[6:35] agency entertain a motion to adjourn

[6:38] Some Mo have a second second all in

[6:42] favor I any opposed agency stands

[6:56] journ um first I'd like to order against

[7:00] connected city council committee meeting

[7:01] for Monday July 1st and the first

[7:03] committee is health and

[7:05] Recreation yes hi um like to um call to

[7:09] order health and Recreation our first it

[7:11] we have two items on the agenda this

[7:12] evening the first item um is presented

[7:16] by Mr Williams it's a ceremonial

[7:17] resolution recognizing the youth

[7:19] auxiliary group called Al tari court

[7:22] number 28 Mr willians thank you so I

[7:24] think it's always a nice uh recognition

[7:26] for us to pause and just acknowledge the

[7:28] accomplishments of some of our youth

[7:29] within the city um so as you can read in

[7:32] our packet uh they they took the the

[7:35] pleasure of placing second in a recent

[7:37] competition Down Louisiana and then in

[7:39] addition to having their drill team come

[7:41] and do a mini drill for us the next

[7:44] Monday at all things uh work with their

[7:46] planning uh again I think it's nice to

[7:48] just U to just acknowledge and just

[7:51] appreciate the uh the achievements of

[7:53] our our younger individuals in the

[7:55] community excellent so um we

[8:00] we need a motion to to do so that's for

[8:07] motion okay dor second you me and all in

[8:12] favor I okay sorry about

[8:15] that okay the next item is a discussion

[8:18] a continued discussion of Central Park

[8:20] swimming pool fees hours and security um

[8:23] I put some materials in your packets um

[8:27] it was a lot to send out so I decided to

[8:29] just bring uh this evening and I would

[8:32] ask that people review it um what I did

[8:34] was look at our um missa Guilderland and

[8:38] Colony uh to look at what their fees are

[8:41] as well as their uh pool rules um

[8:44] there's some there's some things that

[8:46] are consistent and others that aren't um

[8:50] so I wanted to have a little bit of a

[8:51] discussion about this

[8:54] um Miss Yuna has uh three separate

[8:57] Seasons to their pool um and they also

[9:00] have um on their uh site they talk about

[9:03] rules for if swim meets are were going

[9:06] to happen um they have season

[9:09] passes um as does

[9:16] um as does the uh the Guilderland Town

[9:20] pool um and actually all three have

[9:24] season rates um and they're different

[9:26] between uh the rates very depending on

[9:30] whether how old a child is whether

[9:33] somebody's a senior whether it's an

[9:34] adult um so this is a lot of information

[9:37] I think we may have to um take a look at

[9:39] it and come back again um I'm hoping to

[9:42] have a meeting of the health and

[9:43] Recreation committee as well um before

[9:45] our next meeting um to review this uh

[9:48] this information again this is not the

[9:50] end all be all but it is the um

[9:52] municipalities that are around us

[9:53] there's no public pool um that I could

[9:57] find in Scotia or Glenville so jump in

[10:00] if I'm wrong there anybody from Scotia

[10:02] or lenville

[10:03] but but I think it's really important I

[10:05] think um what I've heard so far um from

[10:08] some some folks I've heard concerns that

[10:10] there's been children in the pool with

[10:13] diapers um I've heard concerns that

[10:15] there's been glass um containers in use

[10:20] um these are things that I don't think

[10:21] should be happening um so I think we

[10:24] definitely have to have some rules and

[10:26] have some posted rules the other side of

[10:28] that is the enforcement of those rules

[10:30] so again we have um youth employees uh

[10:35] that come to us through the Boys and

[10:36] Girls Club so all of this is are things

[10:39] that we need to take into consideration

[10:41] and I'd like to bring up at a health and

[10:43] Recreation uh meeting um and anyone

[10:46] would be welcome to attend as well but

[10:48] um we have to post that uh Etc so I will

[10:52] get around to doing that as well but

[10:54] does anybody have any comments or has

[10:56] anybody else been hearing any concerns

[11:00] um

[11:01] Mr so I actually have a question and

[11:03] probably it would probably be more for

[11:05] the mayor iny because you mentioned it

[11:06] Miss Patrick in terms of signage so um

[11:09] the signage would be separate apart from

[11:11] the fee thing so are we I know that we

[11:13] talked about a couple minuts ago about

[11:15] the signage so will there be signage uh

[11:18] we don't have to wait till we get

[11:19] through this process for the signage for

[11:20] the pool in terms of the rule there was

[11:22] signage that was put up initially then

[11:24] some of was modified in the last couple

[11:27] days that by understanding been put up I

[11:30] I've been up there to actually see if

[11:32] it's been up not as of today about 2 o'

[11:35] I didn't see any there

[11:37] um and and my other question was

[11:40] somebody will have a rough War tomorrow

[11:43] well I hope

[11:44] not um the other question was in terms

[11:47] of if we're going to be charging fees we

[11:49] have to talk about considering how that

[11:51] Staffing works right now there's a a

[11:53] person there from the Boys and Girls

[11:54] Club who is just taking names and ages

[11:57] we we would have to consider that um the

[11:59] town of Colones Park they actually have

[12:01] fobs key fobs for residents um so

[12:05] residents have to go to town hall to get

[12:07] the fob

[12:10] um also it's this idea of residents and

[12:15] in in all all of these cases a resident

[12:18] can bring a non-resident guest but it's

[12:21] not that a non-resident is getting into

[12:22] the pool without a resident hosting them

[12:26] um there's also um again you'll see that

[12:28] uh there could be a limit on the number

[12:30] of non-residents that a resident can

[12:33] bring to the pool um so these are all

[12:36] things that um we have to make decisions

[12:38] about um okay moving forward so I guess

[12:43] um I'll try to have a meeting of the

[12:44] health and Recreation committee I have

[12:46] to get with the other folks and um we'll

[12:48] have to come up with recommendations so

[12:49] I would ask that you review this Mr Rini

[12:52] did you have a comment I I I would I one

[12:55] of current rules the Boys and Girls Club

[12:57] have regards the

[13:00] and and then possibly you know they

[13:03] probably have um mechanisms to where a

[13:07] given membership they they serve many

[13:10] many youth in their clubs so they may

[13:12] have existing methods where they maybe

[13:15] take youth photos or and issue

[13:17] memberships we can inquire into what

[13:19] they're currently doing and see if any

[13:21] of those practices would work and if not

[13:24] look to some

[13:26] Alternatives and the Nisa is that for

[13:28] resident

[13:30] you know it's for

[13:32] um this is for residents okay yeah I

[13:36] thought it was kind of um neat that they

[13:38] also give their volunteer firefighters

[13:40] free season passes to the um again they

[13:43] don't get any compensation but I thought

[13:45] that was kind of cool as well in

[13:50] this Sorry Miss guro that's right I'm um

[13:53] I'm hoping that you can call this

[13:54] Committee of health and Recreation

[13:56] committee together as soon as possible I

[13:57] think it's imperative that we get some

[13:59] things in order over there um I heard a

[14:02] lot of things a lot of great things a

[14:03] lot of things that need addressing um

[14:06] it's it's definitely a welcomed resource

[14:10] in our community especially with the

[14:11] weather we've been having um says a lot

[14:14] about the fact that people are waiting

[14:15] to get in there but um there's just a

[14:18] lot of things that that you know have

[14:20] been um individuals have approached me

[14:24] with that that I think need to be

[14:25] addressed um the second thing is I would

[14:27] like to see if we can add a senior uh

[14:32] mornings um a senior special time to

[14:35] senior swim um I had quite a few emails

[14:38] and phone calls regarding that so the

[14:40] pool opens at noon every day from 11: to

[14:43] 12: um you know especially with the

[14:45] resistance pool there um and a lot of

[14:47] seniors like to get into the water so um

[14:50] I'd like to see that uh definitely

[14:52] moving forward and then you know have a

[14:54] discussion with the health and

[14:55] Recreation as far as the other things

[14:57] that are happening there at the pool

[14:59] okay well um again our committee is U

[15:02] myself um M Doro and Mr Farley so I'll

[15:05] be reaching out to you guys tomorrow um

[15:07] to try to get that in as soon as

[15:09] possible so that when we come back

[15:11] together on July 15th for a committee

[15:14] meeting um we our committee will make a

[15:16] recommendation to the the larger Council

[15:19] does that sound

[15:20] good okay anybody have any other

[15:23] thoughts or comments just follow Mr

[15:25] manini's

[15:27] comment kind of the standard that the

[15:29] boys and girls club used in the past is

[15:31] using this year is the city school

[15:35] district ID

[15:37] for uh kids going in so that they use

[15:41] that accting and as a uh reference for

[15:46] validating where they live and just who

[15:49] they

[15:53] are so I was just thinking that as we

[15:56] look at this I feel like being that this

[15:57] with new beautiful thing that we have

[16:00] happened in City work is again to Mr T

[16:02] welcome by the

[16:04] community I still want to get into a

[16:06] place where we start I still want to

[16:08] leave some room for us to be responsive

[16:10] to like what the needs of the community

[16:12] are so in other words like I think that

[16:14] there are some rules that are probably

[16:17] pre-existed the pool when you're in

[16:18] another location and sometimes it's not

[16:21] necessary about like implementing new

[16:23] rules but making sure the ones that are

[16:24] existing are followed with some level of

[16:26] fidelity so I would just um as we're

[16:28] thinking about what we could do at this

[16:30] schol we want to give ourselves some

[16:31] some autonomy here to say hey this is

[16:34] working well for the community and this

[16:36] isn't and I think that maybe it'd be

[16:38] wise for us to just know that as we

[16:40] enter this conversation that this might

[16:41] be something that comes up again and we

[16:43] should be expecting to maybe make some

[16:46] adjustments as it relas to as what we

[16:48] see come up I'll when I actually I'll

[16:51] call the boys and girls SP and see what

[16:53] the current rules um have been because I

[16:55] haven't done that yet so um I'll do that

[16:58] before I reached out to them okay yes so

[17:02] um again you have the rules they have

[17:06] they're in their

[17:08] Transit okay great yes I spoke to them

[17:11] as well and they are going to be sending

[17:12] that but my understanding there is

[17:14] already uh something underway for rules

[17:16] to be developed based on what the mayor

[17:19] said okay

[17:22] yes so I'm trying to confirm that the

[17:26] sign which has been printed should

[17:29] install I thought was going to

[17:30] happen last

[17:35] week I I just I just want to say that

[17:38] today when I was up at Central Park uh

[17:40] just walking into the park there was a

[17:42] young man coming towards me with a towel

[17:44] around his neck and I said Hey how do

[17:46] you like that pool and he said oh the

[17:48] pool's closed and I

[17:51] said no I don't think the pool's closed

[17:53] and it turned out he went to the old I

[17:56] said we have this like incredible new

[17:57] pool you need to turn around right now

[17:59] and go back to the pool but uh he he

[18:01] said it's getting a little late now I

[18:03] have to go

[18:04] home so obviously we need to get more

[18:06] promotion out there about the new pool

[18:08] as well um so I just want to say I mean

[18:12] I know that we have these other things

[18:13] that we need to do but overall to have

[18:15] the pool there I've been get a lot of

[18:17] really wonderful feedback there were

[18:19] lines and not necessarily one people

[18:21] waiting in the line but there there

[18:22] people were just excited about it so uh

[18:24] we'll iron up those details absolutely

[18:26] no to it's a fantastic thing I'm

[18:29] thrilled that we have it so Mr Williams

[18:32] uh just a point of clarification outside

[18:33] of the lifeguards are there any other

[18:35] guardians or just oversight figures

[18:37] there I think the only worry that I have

[18:38] is who's going to be responsible for

[18:41] implementing or like reinforcing some of

[18:42] these rules I think the expectation

[18:44] shouldn't be for like teenagers or

[18:46] college students to be calling out

[18:47] adults for not adhering to the to the

[18:50] expectations in the pool honey I'll

[18:52] defer to the mayor but my guess is that

[18:54] it's the boys and girls club uh

[18:56] lifeguards that are the people that are

[18:58] there and I I think we also are going to

[18:59] have to I mean obviously uh depending on

[19:02] the age of the child at least when you

[19:04] when you go through this an adult needs

[19:06] to be present with children um so one

[19:09] would hope that you know we would also

[19:12] um have our parents uh

[19:16] the following rules as well but

[19:18] currently the Boys and Girls Club you

[19:20] have to be um with the rules that

[19:21] they're using you have to be um if

[19:23] you're 13 and under or 12 and under so

[19:26] 13 and up you can be on your own but 12

[19:27] and under you have to be accompanied by

[19:29] a parent or Guardian that's a little

[19:31] older than some Mr Williams point the

[19:34] front line is the staff and boys and

[19:37] girls park supplemented with

[19:41] staff par department and the police

[19:50] department any other

[19:53] comments okay so I'll call from a motion

[19:56] to adjourn health and Recreation

[19:59] Mr second by Mr uh Mr Toro all in favor

[20:04] I thank you so let call to order the

[20:07] finance committee we have two items on

[20:09] the agenda tonight the first of which is

[20:11] a call for public hearing uh 2024 to

[20:13] 2025 annual action plan allocation

[20:16] that'll be spoken to by Miss

[20:20] Carter good evening city council so we

[20:23] received our annual allocation from HUD

[20:26] which is roughly 2.1 million

[20:29] we received 26 applications for this

[20:31] funding we have posted our proposed

[20:34] applications have been reviewed and we

[20:36] have prop we have posted our proposed

[20:39] allocation um to the website and in the

[20:41] Daily Gazette we are currently in our

[20:43] 30-day public comment period so today

[20:45] I'm here asking city council to please

[20:48] call for a public hearing on July 27th

[20:50] to discuss those proposed allocations

[20:53] thank you any questions or comments hear

[20:55] may have motion so move second I'll

[20:58] second those in favor hi uh the next

[21:01] item on agenda is the Continuum of Care

[21:03] contract with development of Broadway

[21:05] LLC buiness as District YMCA also this

[21:09] we have received our HUD allocation for

[21:11] a Continuum of Care for our 10 Beds

[21:14] which we partner with the Y MCA here in

[21:16] skincity which is roughly

[21:18] $887,000 so today I here asking city

[21:22] council um to give permission for the

[21:24] mayor or his deit me to go into contract

[21:27] with the Y to carry out

[21:29] this project thank you any other

[21:31] questions or comments he none I have

[21:33] motion so moved all those in

[21:36] favor are there any other items toall

[21:38] before the finance committee he none we

[21:41] have a motion to adjourn so move second

[21:43] all those in favor I we are this moment

[21:46] I'd like to call together government

[21:47] operations we have two items on the

[21:50] agenda today uh first being uh the

[21:53] renaming City street uh be Village Lane

[21:56] to Lane Mr Mr wall

[22:03] hello hello everyone so just a refresher

[22:07] uh I have the ordinance in front of me

[22:08] in July of 2021 the city accepted the

[22:12] ownership of a uh a roadway essentially

[22:15] an alley behind the liven concy project

[22:17] on Barrett Street uh and the name that

[22:20] came with the development was Barrett

[22:22] Village Lane um you know at the time

[22:25] there was not much into the name we just

[22:27] accepted it as is uh in the road with

[22:29] built to City standards and we move

[22:31] forward since that time uh I've been

[22:33] reached out to uh by the family uh who

[22:36] was around and who will probably speak

[22:37] in a moment and they have requested that

[22:40] the city look to uh change the name to

[22:43] Luigi Lane in uh commemoration of their

[22:46] grandfather father Uncle friend who

[22:49] operated uh the Luigi restaurant uh

[22:51] beginning in 1950 on the former site of

[22:53] where living connect is um just before I

[22:57] introduce uh Mike T one of the grand STS

[22:59] I just wanted to let you know that I did

[23:01] reach out and speak with the uh property

[23:04] owners of the uh conglomerate that was

[23:06] liven connect which is essentially um

[23:09] you know Dave buo and John roal of

[23:11] hybrid as this was a uh and uh they did

[23:14] not have any objections and in fact uh

[23:17] John Roth uh supported it as he said

[23:20] that his parents were a good friends of

[23:21] the legi and Abell and they always had a

[23:24] uh nice things to say about them and so

[23:26] I thought that that was nice just also

[23:28] to let you know um there are no uh

[23:30] residences on this street typically what

[23:33] you'll see uh in the city is that we do

[23:35] ceremonial resolutions uh for s name

[23:38] change and the reason for that is um to

[23:41] change the name of a street that has

[23:42] been in existence for 75 years would

[23:44] have a very large repercussion on the

[23:46] residents of that street as there are no

[23:49] residents on this street as it

[23:50] essentially is an alley um the naming of

[23:53] it uh would be actually changed so no

[23:56] two signs it would be one green sign

[23:58] sign uh so without that anymore I'd like

[24:01] to introduce Mike tyno and whoever else

[24:03] just to talk about and this is a call

[24:04] for public hearing I understand that

[24:06] they can come and talk at the public

[24:08] hearing but I did not want you to have

[24:10] no information going forward for your um

[24:13] uh support of this I'm sorry good

[24:16] evening I just wanted to uh take this

[24:18] moment to talk about my grandfather and

[24:20] why this is a viable name change not

[24:22] just for us but for the city um my

[24:26] family here and um my grandfather was

[24:29] the fifth of 11 children born to Luigi

[24:31] bagil senior and Angelo lazeri he was

[24:34] born in Pennsylvania while his parents

[24:35] lived and worked at a logging camp at 2

[24:38] years old they returned to Italy there

[24:40] he was only educated until the age of

[24:41] eight before he had to begin working to

[24:43] help support his family in 1938 at age

[24:46] 19 upset with fist Italy and the threat

[24:48] of a war looming he made a difficult

[24:50] decision to return to the United States

[24:52] this left this meant leaving behind his

[24:54] siblings and family that weren't US

[24:56] citizens he worked as a B in Manhattan

[24:59] for 4 years before being drafted into

[25:00] World War II in 1942 where he would

[25:03] serve in the Pacific after the war he

[25:05] reunited with many of the siblings and

[25:07] family who had then relocated his family

[25:10] he worked at the prestigious van carair

[25:12] hotel now known as connecting community

[25:14] colleges eston

[25:16] Hall he took his wages from the war and

[25:19] everything he had saved in searched for

[25:20] a restaurant of his own he looked into

[25:22] purchasing a restaurant called the

[25:23] Victoria on North J Street and it was

[25:25] there that he met my grandmother at Del

[25:27] Moret the restaurant was owned by my

[25:30] great-grandfather he used to joke that

[25:32] he went looking for a restaurant and

[25:33] ended up finding a wife my grandmother

[25:36] and her three brothers were born and

[25:37] raised on North J Street the gateway to

[25:39] skc's Little Italy in 1950 he purchased

[25:42] Stella's restaurant around the corner on

[25:44] Bar Street and renamed it Luigi's after

[25:46] himself with no formal education but a

[25:49] work ethic that began as a child he

[25:51] operated a successful restaurant during

[25:53] an exuberant period of sc's History

[25:56] Luigi's was a popular location for not

[25:58] just the residents and families of the

[25:59] city but also GE and Alco Executives

[26:01] Union professors and City officials

[26:04] through determination dedication and

[26:06] hard work he made his American dream a

[26:08] reality he had successful business with

[26:10] fathers six children 12 grandchildren

[26:12] had countless friends and was happily

[26:14] married for 48 years in 1981 he wly sold

[26:17] the restaurant and retired after doctors

[26:19] told him that he was literally working

[26:20] himself to death I'd like to briefly

[26:23] read a citation from his retirement

[26:25] ceremony that reiterates and reinforces

[26:27] some of the information I just

[26:30] share whereas Luigi bag Jr has recently

[26:34] retired from the restaurant business and

[26:35] has many friends have seen it fitting

[26:37] and proper to honor him at a testimonial

[26:39] dinner on this 27th day of October 1981

[26:42] in appreciation of his services to disc

[26:44] connected community and visions and

[26:46] whereas Luigi born in wels be

[26:48] Pennsylvania spent his boyhood in the

[26:50] hammer of cilia Italy where he learned

[26:52] his culinary art which he offered to his

[26:54] native country upon his return from

[26:56] Italy just before the entry of the

[26:57] United States in World War II and

[26:59] whereas although having a language

[27:01] barrier at the time Luigi attained the

[27:03] rank of Master Sergeant in the South

[27:05] Pacific where all the commissioned

[27:06] officers were killed Luigi was next in

[27:08] the chain of command and successfully

[27:11] led the remnants of a battalion of

[27:12] troops whereas Luigi's success would

[27:15] made possible because of Luigi's

[27:17] astuteness and picking Adele as his wife

[27:19] now be it resolve that I Frank J DUI May

[27:23] mayor of the city of skak New York site

[27:25] Luigi bag Jr for his contributions to

[27:28] his country and the City of skincity and

[27:30] wish him and Adele many years of

[27:31] peaceful and happy matrimonial Bliss be

[27:34] it further resolved that this citation

[27:36] be presented to Luigi bagioli by my UST

[27:39] illustrious predecessor former mayor

[27:42] Malcolm e Ellis who is one of Luigi's

[27:44] closest

[27:47] friends uh the name change will be a

[27:49] positive upgrade from the current street

[27:50] name and a way to memorialize a small

[27:53] piece of Sky history was also a fitting

[27:55] name to the Little Italy Sky

[27:56] neighborhood I hope I have your support

[27:58] and this renaming and thank the council

[27:59] for your time i' especially like to

[28:01] thank councilwoman Dar Doro and the

[28:03] mayor for supporting this proposal we

[28:05] pick on tonight's agenda and the city

[28:07] engineer Chris Wallen who has given me

[28:08] his time support and guidance thank you

[28:13] I think it's always important that

[28:14] anytime we get a chance to kind of

[28:16] highlight the legacy of people um our

[28:18] citizens we should do so especially this

[28:20] sounds like you know an amazing person

[28:22] qu who left quite a a large footprint in

[28:25] the community so I you know any other

[28:27] questions or com prise around

[28:29] this so I will Mr well I'd say I'd be

[28:33] remiss if I didn't say even just taking

[28:35] aside his military service your

[28:36] grandfather truly is the representation

[28:39] of just uh stepping forward and

[28:41] answering the call I think on top of

[28:43] that truly he represents the uh the good

[28:45] nature of the members of our community

[28:47] and skans and that they are hardworking

[28:49] tenacious uh very very looking for

[28:51] handouts willing to do the work and this

[28:52] truly is a reflection of all that so

[28:55] excited to see this this really is a is

[28:57] a nice a nice moment and I look forward

[28:59] to seeing us in portion thank

[29:01] you and I just would like to say I'm

[29:03] also happy to support this and glad we

[29:05] were able to move forward and U gave me

[29:07] the opportunity to have reunion with

[29:08] somebody I went to middle school

[29:11] with yeah I see some friends out and I

[29:14] school with as well definitely honoring

[29:17] him on with your presence today this is

[29:18] awesome so I would glad gladly accept

[29:20] the motion for the call public hearing

[29:22] so moved um second a I'll second that

[29:25] all those in favor I I okay thank you

[29:28] thanks again quickly just interject

[29:31] would you like the family is it

[29:33] appropriate to the family come to the

[29:34] public hearing and speak as well should

[29:36] they that's up to them I

[29:39] just because I I I didn't talk about

[29:42] public I just wanted to make sure

[29:43] because this is kind of on the rec but

[29:44] public hearing I'll talk to you about it

[29:46] after you guys kind of put that on there

[29:48] all right thank you have a good night

[29:49] thank you

[30:00] okay next on the agenda for government

[30:01] operations is a discussion city of SK

[30:04] Charter Charter regarding change of

[30:06] operating budget deadlines Mr Mayor

[30:08] thank you Mr chairman the draft proposal

[30:13] packet for your

[30:15] approval this parts of public hearing

[30:20] and the OB is actually put it on the

[30:23] ballot this November go before the

[30:25] voters for change in the charter

[30:28] um thank you Mr Mayor Mr uh uh Mr

[30:32] chairman this is um as you know that the

[30:35] uh there's no Provisions in our current

[30:38] Charter regarding what happens after

[30:40] November 1st looking at the charters of

[30:43] our surrounding cities the city of

[30:45] Albany the city detoy the city of

[30:47] Amsterdam they have procedures for for

[30:50] if something is not adopted and what you

[30:54] see before you is is the procedure from

[30:58] the city of Albany but also a tweet from

[31:00] the city of Amsterdam on how the process

[31:03] goes forward if the budget is not uh

[31:06] adopted by the uh the date of November

[31:09] 1st and you see as it goes back it goes

[31:11] through the entire legislative process

[31:14] if the budget isn't adopted then the

[31:17] mayor's proposed budget is is is uh is

[31:22] adopted if the council

[31:24] adds amendments if those amendments

[31:27] aren't

[31:28] uh done under taken acted upon by

[31:31] November

[31:33] 10th

[31:35] um the the honoral force November 10th

[31:40] and uh if not mayor may v one or more of

[31:43] the proposed amendments the mayor fails

[31:46] to act on those proposed amendments then

[31:49] the budget as amended by the city

[31:51] council comes the budget and if the if

[31:54] the budget is if mayor does veto it

[31:58] honor before November 20th the city

[32:00] council May override mayor's V all one

[32:03] more of its proposed amendments the

[32:05] council overrides the mayor's be in the

[32:08] city operating budget with any item so

[32:10] overridden together with any change not

[32:12] Beed by mayor mayor shall be deemed

[32:15] adopted and failure by the city council

[32:18] to act on the mayor's veto by November

[32:20] 20th shall result in the adoption of the

[32:22] operating budget along with any

[32:24] amendments not previously veto by the

[32:26] mayor so there's a process back and

[32:28] forth was with the councel and the mayor

[32:31] both going back and forth given the time

[32:33] to act upon the budget so by November

[32:37] 20th which is around Thanksgiving give

[32:39] or t the budget process is

[32:42] complete tax bills can be prepared

[32:45] Equalization rates Etc all those other

[32:48] things that have to be done is taken

[32:51] care of by the end of by the end of you

[32:53] know November so it goes back and forth

[32:56] now because we're dealing with changing

[33:00] the roles and procedures between the

[33:02] mayor and and the uh and the council

[33:05] this has to go to a mandatory

[33:08] referendum amending the city Charter and

[33:11] it's affecting the roles between the

[33:14] council and the mayor um and therefore

[33:17] it's subject to a mandatory

[33:20] referendum um as the mayor indicated

[33:23] that in order to get this there has to

[33:25] be public hearings and and then

[33:28] eventually adoption by the city council

[33:31] signed into law by the mayor subject to

[33:34] referendum this has to go over to the uh

[33:37] Court of election 60 days before the

[33:39] general election which

[33:40] is so just giving you a overview of of

[33:45] the process um it's really through the

[33:48] summer um going through the process and

[33:52] having the public hearings looking at

[33:54] this final adoption for the we going

[33:59] going over to the board of elections in

[34:01] September

[34:02] 3 and that will not affect this year's

[34:05] budget process but will affect

[34:09] 2025 budget year subse

[34:13] Years thank you questions comments on

[34:16] this so tonight you just so tonight

[34:19] you're just providing this for us to

[34:20] take a look at it to provide

[34:24] feedback right and I know you said so

[34:26] essentially the timeline is would have

[34:28] to have it to the Board of Elections by

[34:29] September 5th that's so council could

[34:32] start to make a call for the public

[34:34] hearing you could call to the public

[34:36] hearing on this proposal if you wish to

[34:39] have the public hearing public hearing

[34:40] will be on the

[34:41] 22nd according to the uh Municipal home

[34:44] rule law because the city was connected

[34:47] has a strong executive mayor with veto

[34:49] power the mayor has it's mandated to

[34:52] hold a public hearing uh himself on on

[34:55] the on the proposal so the council made

[34:58] to do so and the uh the mayor is

[35:00] required to do so according to the

[35:03] municipal home

[35:05] R um so I'd like to like spend a little

[35:10] bit more time like looking at it and

[35:13] um because well I'm just at at first

[35:16] blush you know when I'm first looking at

[35:19] it I just need more time to look at it

[35:21] how to say that and I just wanted to

[35:24] also just to be clear so I know like

[35:26] there's three ways to um amend the

[35:28] charter so we have this one because of

[35:29] what it is has to be referendum

[35:31] absolutely okay has to be referendum

[35:34] because you're dealing with powers the

[35:36] two

[35:42] branches and so if we had a call for a

[35:45] public hearing would the public hearing

[35:46] would be based on what you're providing

[35:47] to us tonight is that correct

[35:51] okay I'm comfortable calling for a

[35:53] public hearing I mean I I would have to

[35:55] say that

[35:57] I don't know about the rest of you but I

[35:59] had some sleepless nights last year um

[36:01] in terms of really worried about what

[36:03] was going to happen if we hadn't passed

[36:05] the budget by the end of um 2023 and

[36:09] going into January I was worried about

[36:11] both

[36:12] our the functioning of the city our

[36:15] employees uh security Etc so I think

[36:19] this is a uh a good idea I think that it

[36:22] will um Force us as a group to be more

[36:25] accountable as well um so in terms of

[36:29] opinion um my opinion would be that this

[36:32] this is a a good thing for us to be to

[36:34] be doing so um I don't have a problem

[36:37] you know it's um calling for the public

[36:40] hearing but um if we have to wait get

[36:44] that too that's my two sents yeah Mr

[36:48] thank you so you know when we received

[36:50] this last week so I did have a chance to

[36:52] look it over read it over and made a few

[36:53] notes I'm very comfortable as well uh

[36:56] because of the situation that we into

[36:58] last year even with our tax bills

[36:59] getting out late um you know residents

[37:01] were concerned um people were calling

[37:03] constantly am I going to get a charge so

[37:06] anyway I I I think it's something that

[37:07] we really need to

[37:09] do moving forward as soon as possible

[37:12] sure president I agree that we

[37:14] definitely have to put something in

[37:15] place um I don't necessarily agree that

[37:18] this as it is written uh because

[37:21] essentially if we didn't pass the budget

[37:23] then it would automatically go back to

[37:25] the mayor's budget I don't um you know

[37:28] we as a council part of our

[37:29] responsibility is to pass the budget so

[37:32] if we have concerns or we want to make

[37:33] changes if if the if it automatically

[37:36] goes back to the mayor's budget that any

[37:38] amendments that we would have had would

[37:40] necessarily kind of disappear so I'm not

[37:43] I'm not 100% comfortable that it

[37:44] automatically goes back to the mayor's

[37:46] budget I would entertain it going back

[37:47] to the prior Year's budget which means

[37:50] that we all have a say and how what the

[37:53] budget was until we can um work through

[37:55] any amendments but I wouldn't I wouldn't

[37:58] automatically um um just defer back to

[38:00] the to the utive budget VAR by the mayor

[38:03] so I want to take a little bit more time

[38:04] to look through that talk um talk to our

[38:06] Corporation Council about all the things

[38:08] that are in here just need to be able to

[38:10] make sure um as we move forward Mr Mayor

[38:15] again I have to submit it by October 1st

[38:18] the council has the month of October to

[38:20] act on not adopted by November

[38:24] 1st last over half century council is

[38:28] always able to come to some agreement

[38:29] with the mayor and the council last year

[38:31] we didn't so I don't

[38:33] know again this is just codifying

[38:38] process that eliminates any ambiguity

[38:41] and puts everybody under a little bit of

[38:44] pressure I understand

[38:46] you're ping this to look at it

[38:49] and there are some changes hopefully get

[38:53] them out in a day or two to the council

[38:56] so we can make those changes move ahead

[38:58] with the public area so it seems like

[39:00] good thing is that you know throughout

[39:02] that process which I think we all

[39:04] learned learned some things and I think

[39:06] that um you know as somebody who was was

[39:09] working extremely hard to make sure that

[39:11] we could kind of meet each other where

[39:12] we were at and and get a budget pass

[39:14] which we ultimately did um I think that

[39:17] the need for this is is is clear and

[39:19] there's a some consensus among the group

[39:21] that there's a that that there's a need

[39:23] here um to president Porter fil's Point

[39:26] um and kind into what been indicated by

[39:28] uh Corporation Council that this is

[39:31] something that really impacts the checks

[39:33] and balances of how we operate so I

[39:36] think that um uh careful consideration

[39:38] is not only a good idea but it's

[39:40] definitely warranted in this case so I

[39:42] think that you know we we do that and to

[39:44] the mayor's point we just do that um uh

[39:48] as as fast as we can um where we're not

[39:51] uh impacting the Integrity of of the

[39:53] process itself so any other thoughts on

[39:56] that Mr Miss i i would support moving it

[39:59] to a public hearing I think these

[40:01] additions put in the necessary

[40:03] guardrails to avoid what happened last

[40:05] year so I would be in support of moving

[40:07] this forward um this clearly is giving

[40:09] us kind of a timeline that we need to

[40:12] adhere to so I'm in support of it I

[40:15] would also kind of rais the point that

[40:17] to I agree that um about the necessary

[40:20] guard rails um I think that what this

[40:23] would do at the level of the text um

[40:25] will definitely put in place those guard

[40:26] rails I think that we can uh end up in a

[40:29] place where we have the same guard rails

[40:30] and still hold ourselves to that level

[40:32] of accountability but if there's any

[40:33] concerns or questions or maybe um some

[40:37] scenarios that we haven't had

[40:39] opportunity to play out I think uh in

[40:41] consultation with uh Corporation Council

[40:43] um and a research that's going to be

[40:44] done by as members I think would be a

[40:46] good thing to do for for something this

[40:48] nature but good thing that we all agree

[40:50] that something doesn't happen Mr

[40:52] Williams and for the sake of commenting

[40:54] I think you put it accurately he said

[40:55] careful consideration I think when ever

[40:57] we can um meet other council members

[41:00] where they stand with having further

[41:01] questions or wanting to digest

[41:03] information I think as long as it

[41:05] doesn't come at the expense of the

[41:06] timeline and I think already and I

[41:08] applaud the mayor for ensuring that this

[41:11] topic was on our discussion prior to us

[41:12] entering this upcoming budget season

[41:15] Corporation Council correct me if I'm

[41:16] wrong we have time I don't foresee this

[41:20] exhausting all the time up until

[41:22] September 5th but I think allowing 2

[41:24] weeks or or or I think that is more than

[41:27] appropriate and I do not think that

[41:28] comes at the expense of us passing this

[41:31] collectively um but yet again I I think

[41:33] meeting counsel is where they are regard

[41:34] regardless the topic again as long as it

[41:36] doesn't come at the expense of us

[41:39] passing a set item I don't think that's

[41:42] an

[41:43] issue any other comments questions

[41:46] around

[41:47] this okay so i' I'd like to to have that

[41:51] time to take and and bring it back in

[41:53] two weeks and make the decisions and I'm

[41:54] just I'm not ready to move it to a

[41:56] public hearing the way it is based right

[41:58] here what on the agenda discuss sure I

[42:01] just was wondering what your concern is

[42:03] my concern as I stated is that when if

[42:05] we don't pass the budget that

[42:07] automatically goes back to the mayor's

[42:08] budget and then I feel like then we've

[42:11] kind of given up our shed our

[42:12] responsibility in terms of putting forth

[42:14] the budget because no wa to I'm just

[42:17] saying because then any concerns or any

[42:20] changes that we want to make would not

[42:21] take place if it didn't happen like

[42:24] that and it's a scenario where if if we

[42:29] went through it last year it kept

[42:30] getting pushed back to us and kept

[42:32] pushed back and that if that timeline

[42:34] plays out then it automatically goes

[42:36] back to the mayor's budget and I think

[42:38] that a budget that involves all of us

[42:40] having say in it is the type of budget

[42:42] that we want and this in this scenario

[42:46] it does not work out like that so I want

[42:48] to look at it and see how we could

[42:50] change some of this so that the council

[42:52] does what it is been members are elected

[42:55] to do which is to help pass up

[42:57] and we have to have some we have to have

[42:59] some say on what that budget looks like

[43:01] if we're going to not just pass

[43:03] it those are my

[43:07] concerns so we will have a say in what

[43:11] gets passed because of the timeline um I

[43:15] also want to not to bring up arguments

[43:17] from last year but again I think we need

[43:20] to understand that our department heads

[43:23] work very closely with their expertise

[43:26] and their their experience on the

[43:28] budgets that they then present to the

[43:30] mayor uh and then they kind of go back

[43:32] and forth so um I think we will have

[43:36] input we would have input into the

[43:38] budget it just holds our feet to the

[43:41] fire um in a way that I think is

[43:43] appropriate given what happened last

[43:45] year so um I'm not on this subcommittee

[43:48] I would encourage the committee to you

[43:50] know move forward with the public

[43:52] hearing because I think we have all the

[43:54] information right here and I think that

[43:56] um Corporation Council indicated that

[43:58] Aly and Troy and Amsterdam have similar

[44:02] language in their um in their um yes

[44:07] they're all similar Lang where they have

[44:08] this process where they when's adopted

[44:11] goes to the council override Etc it's

[44:14] all this process okay so um hearing what

[44:19] everyone's point of view is I think that

[44:22] right now we're in a pretty good place

[44:23] where we can um allow members of the

[44:27] council who might have you know cuz

[44:29] right now we're basing on what's in

[44:30] front of us right here correct maybe

[44:32] there's some other um uh suggestions or

[44:35] input that that can kind of uh bring us

[44:38] together in in a point of agreement so I

[44:40] would really uh being with the timeline

[44:43] what it is I think that you know we

[44:45] really should give that opportunity to

[44:47] any council members who um want to look

[44:49] at this a little more closely or maybe

[44:51] introduce some different ideas and again

[44:53] it won't impact our timeline it's the

[44:55] good thing is that we all are an

[44:57] agreement that something needs to happen

[44:59] um and I think that the conversation um

[45:02] will be a more productive and beneficial

[45:05] one if we're saying you know what this

[45:07] is something that maybe I think that we

[45:08] can consider so I just you know being

[45:10] that you know we don't lose anything by

[45:13] uh the due diligence of the council

[45:15] members to kind of look at this and and

[45:17] maybe look at other uh options that can

[45:20] get us to the same place so with that uh

[45:22] I will just um you know I W call for the

[45:26] public hearing right now I don't think

[45:27] we need to do that what we'll do is uh

[45:30] you know and not that I would ever

[45:32] firste Us in uh set situation that that

[45:34] we've been in before but I think it is

[45:36] our responsibility as a council to again

[45:38] have some guard rails in place and I

[45:39] think that this will do that and and we

[45:41] need to give our our teammates the

[45:43] opportunity to um cuz this is a really

[45:46] significant substantial decision and I

[45:49] think it definitely requires again some

[45:51] careful consideration and as long as

[45:53] it's not impacting the timeline what do

[45:54] we lose by giving our colleagues the

[45:56] opportunity to Del deeper maybe come up

[45:58] with some something that that that might

[46:00] even fit better for us than it does for

[46:02] some of our uh surrounding

[46:06] municipalities any other thoughts or

[46:08] questions on that President P I would

[46:09] just ask that Mr um O'Brien if you could

[46:12] just um provide for us the other um

[46:16] municipalities information where this

[46:17] was derived from yes that was to be part

[46:20] of the consideration right that wouldn't

[46:22] be a problem all right thank you but um

[46:25] just to be mindful of you know the

[46:28] timelines a veto and overriding the time

[46:30] if you're over going to override The

[46:32] veto of the mayor whatever you come to

[46:34] and goes to the mayor and it's veto you

[46:37] have 30 days in which to override The

[46:39] veto and I think at that point you have

[46:41] to be mindful of the time absolutely I

[46:44] think y I think that we understand that

[46:46] you know any you know if president P

[46:49] fail if mrini is saying that hey we want

[46:51] to look at this I think that I would

[46:53] encourage all our council members to do

[46:54] so you know as quickly as POS possible

[46:57] as long as you're you know again not

[46:59] compromising the Integrity of the

[47:00] decision that you arrive at because this

[47:01] is a pretty consequential piece of

[47:03] legislation so um

[47:06] yeah

[47:08] so with that I will and and uh we'll

[47:12] bring this back in 2 weeks

[47:15] well sure we can BR back in two weeks if

[47:18] that's if that's well we have to well

[47:20] know what I would say is that if we um

[47:23] the mayor was saying you know in a

[47:25] couple days uh hopefully we could you

[47:27] have something to to him to you know for

[47:30] his consideration or for a larger

[47:32] consideration with the group I was going

[47:33] to say when we say we'll bring it back

[47:35] in two weeks that doesn't mean that we

[47:36] won't do our due diligence within that

[47:38] timeline no we'll definitely do our due

[47:40] diligence and we want to make sure like

[47:42] this is a change to our Charter it's

[47:44] significant um and U we want to make

[47:46] sure that all council members actually I

[47:48] know that Mr is absent today and

[47:50] sometimes that happens but this would

[47:51] also give him time to um to be able to

[47:54] provide any input and um can I also just

[47:57] say that as this was brought up I took

[47:59] the opportunity to look at the CH

[48:01] Charter in its entirety and it might

[48:03] just be time for an overall uh revision

[48:06] of the chart because some of the even

[48:07] some of the language in there like a

[48:09] constable we haven't had conable I can't

[48:11] tell you when so this might be a time

[48:12] where us you know it came up and I'm

[48:14] said well let me look at this and uh so

[48:16] maybe we may want to look at the entire

[48:18] Charter and make sure that everything is

[48:20] as it should be not this time though I

[48:22] mean just P

[48:24] moment but there is a process with a

[48:26] revision and I think that we should

[48:28] really consider doing that to make sure

[48:30] that our Charter um meets what today's

[48:32] standards are actually need in today's

[48:34] language so just want to um also include

[48:37] that so we'll bring this back incl weeks

[48:40] appreciate everyone's input uh I'll

[48:41] accept a motion to ajour government

[48:43] operations so more I'll second that all

[48:45] favor I we are

[48:48] adjourn

[48:50] okay I'd like to call the order City

[48:53] development and planning we have nine

[48:55] items on the agenda

[48:58] done and the first is the award the

[49:00] bidden contract to Connected little

[49:02] league and car street fencing

[49:04] improvements Mr

[49:14] Waller hello

[49:16] and working with the connect little

[49:20] league and the neighborhood association

[49:23] that is working on carry Street Park the

[49:25] city put out a a joint fencing bid um

[49:29] the bid is for uh fencing improvements

[49:32] uh mostly just replacement of fencing at

[49:36] the conc Little League which is Oregon

[49:38] Avenue Fields as well as a replacement

[49:40] and installation of fencing on the carry

[49:42] Street Park along the basketball court

[49:45] and the playground um we received three

[49:47] bids the low bid was byal construction

[49:51] um we did call five references including

[49:53] a reference in the city of Albany for a

[49:56] here that we work with all the

[49:57] references came back fine um we are

[50:00] looking to award all of the alternates

[50:02] as it was in budget and the budget will

[50:04] be split between arpa funding that was

[50:06] set aside for Lo League improvements and

[50:09] Facilities funding as the park is not

[50:12] part of

[50:15] the so um in terms of the organ Avenue

[50:18] and I know that's where the arpa money

[50:19] is so this is the fencing but is there

[50:21] other are there other things that are

[50:23] also going to be happening in addition

[50:25] to that I know it's part of this correct

[50:28] yes so now that we have our budget

[50:30] number we wanted to see what the budget

[50:32] number was so when we received this uh

[50:35] since it was under the budget that we

[50:36] had we then issued a PO for a new

[50:39] scoreboard so the scoreboard is actually

[50:41] ordered it was underneath the the value

[50:44] we needed to bid so the scoreboard is

[50:46] ordered uh City forces have been there

[50:48] we've repaired some of their uh septic

[50:50] issues they have had volunteers uh

[50:53] donate time to help with the roofs um we

[50:55] are also working working with them on um

[50:58] other projects as as the clearing of the

[51:00] fields um I believe I don't have the

[51:03] list in front of me but there is a quite

[51:05] a long list of things that we're looking

[51:07] at trying to accomplish with a mixture

[51:09] of In-House and Contract Services most

[51:12] of the things we think we can get done

[51:14] with Rewritten quotes as it's under

[51:17] 35,000 but this fencing was the one that

[51:19] we knew would be the biggest value item

[51:22] so that's why we bit it and didn't move

[51:23] forward with anything until we had these

[51:25] numbers thank you any other question yes

[51:28] Mr Toro I'd like to personally thank Mr

[51:30] Wen and fr Fred masani they've been

[51:33] working diligently on the Oregon Avenue

[51:36] um and I know it's there are little tiny

[51:38] things knockout things and there's a lot

[51:40] of work that goes into getting the bids

[51:42] on all these little things but thank you

[51:44] very much and I I I know they're very

[51:45] appreciative of everything that's

[51:47] happening over there so thank

[51:48] you any other questions comments and a

[51:52] motion so uh so move I'll second I'll

[51:56] favor I I thank you thank you Mr

[52:00] R the uh next item on the agenda is a

[52:03] presentation for water bik rental

[52:06] services Mr

[52:10] Leon good evening um the CH PR you is a

[52:14] proposal or presentation um which will

[52:16] be given by uh Patricia Reed she is the

[52:19] owner of um PC Waterworks I believe it

[52:22] is and she is the best one to be able to

[52:25] answer questions with regards to to what

[52:26] is she's proposing to do in central part

[52:30] with regards Dependable um remits so I'd

[52:34] like P to come up you can answer any of

[52:36] your questions we be regard to do um her

[52:48] operation hi

[52:50] everybody my name is w and that's my

[52:53] husband de Wade uh we be trying to open

[52:57] our business since uh June

[53:01] 2022 uh the city connected requested

[53:05] everything uh from us and we submitted

[53:09] everything needed so I'll just explain

[53:13] what we trying to

[53:21] do so PC water rights

[53:25] LC we like to bring a new business to

[53:29] Central

[53:31] Parks

[53:33] PC water right LC will be part of

[53:37] the for the community it bring more

[53:42] fun can C it's a rental business we'll

[53:47] be renting our three wheel tricle water

[53:52] bike

[53:54] ped to customers will be we would love

[53:58] to have the opportunity to bring more

[54:02] positivity to the city of SC Central

[54:05] Park by bring a new business that other

[54:08] parks in this capital region doesn't

[54:11] have since this is a season of business

[54:15] will be

[54:16] opening 7 days a week from 11:00 a.m. to

[54:20] 700 p.m. due to inflation PC laser water

[54:25] rights will be

[54:27] charging $10 per person for 20 minutes

[54:30] right but the

[54:31] customers have a choice to choose how

[54:36] long they want to rent a water

[54:40] ride so for that reason we asking for

[54:45] city of SK to give us the opportunity

[54:47] and the chance to open this new

[54:51] bu all right I'll start I have a

[54:53] question so are you doing this business

[54:55] any place else at this time

[54:56] no so this would be the first time that

[54:59] you do this will be the first time we're

[55:00] doing business um you did mention that

[55:03] you've been trying to do this with us

[55:05] since 2022 can you tell me a little

[55:07] about that since

[55:09] 2022 uh I came to the city of sced to us

[55:13] to see how I can operate the buildings

[55:16] in Central Park and that was given the

[55:18] information that I had to speak to Mr

[55:21] Paul which I sent all the paperwork and

[55:25] the business plan to Mr Po and he been

[55:30] communicating with me and then he gave

[55:33] the paper to

[55:36] Mr will I was working with him then I

[55:40] was told this year he's no longer

[55:42] working for the city of connected so we

[55:44] had to go back to PO so I had to start

[55:47] from the beginning so thank God PA been

[55:51] calling me and communicating with me

[55:53] letting me know what I need uh and what

[55:56] needed for us to be able to open the

[56:03] business um and also in your business

[56:05] plan it says that you would be the only

[56:06] you only have one staff person doing

[56:08] this could you found a little bit say

[56:11] that again how many staff people would

[56:13] be present at be only just me and my

[56:16] husband at this

[56:20] for Mr manini I was almost expecting to

[56:23] see the paddle boats that I'm used to

[56:25] see yes so I have that cuz I know

[56:29] everybody will think like it's the

[56:30] regular P Bo this is something different

[56:33] that nobody has that's why we try to

[56:37] bring

[56:39] to yeah so it's something like this

[56:42] right now I see I know when I when I was

[56:44] open I was expecting when I saw the P

[56:47] typical P that lower to the this is how

[56:51] it works as you can see the video I

[56:53] think that's cool

[56:56] very go do you ever see this how here

[57:01] are they any more less safe than the

[57:04] than the typical ones

[57:06] were accustomed to seeing or more

[57:08] difficult to navigate say that again the

[57:11] the typ the paddle BS that I've seen you

[57:13] know the one you one the old one the

[57:16] one so these are there are there any

[57:18] more risk of it tip in or more difficult

[57:21] to navigate no you just R like you

[57:23] sitting in like a bik but you sitting

[57:25] down just that's right they just Way co

[57:28] you yeah I like that so this is a

[57:31] new a new

[57:34] one so we asking for the city of SK the

[57:38] opportunity to bring this building to

[57:40] Central Park Miss Patrick yes so I just

[57:43] wanted to ask about um life jackets I

[57:46] wanted to ask about liability um in

[57:48] terms of the City versus um the owner of

[57:50] the company um as well as again back to

[57:54] the rules discussion that we were having

[57:56] about the pool I mean what would be the

[57:58] age limit in terms of how old would

[58:01] someone need to be to be able to uh get

[58:05] this that you're going to get into

[58:07] negotiating terms and conditions the

[58:09] contract that it should be done in the

[58:11] executive session most a generic

[58:14] conversation than public session any the

[58:17] details would more appropriate in

[58:19] executive session Madam chair I would I

[58:22] would yes I would say that we're going

[58:24] to go going discussions about the terms

[58:27] and conditions of The Proposal as

[58:29] proposed we should go into an executive

[58:31] section but I I'll just tell the council

[58:35] that the uh any charges for the rental

[58:37] to Pedal shall be set by resolution of

[58:39] the city

[58:41] council sorry did you say that

[58:44] again fees for the rental of pedal boats

[58:47] shall be set by resolution by the city

[58:49] council in other words the city council

[58:52] sets the race whether whether this was a

[58:56] the operated function or private

[58:59] operator function the ordinance is clear

[59:02] that the city council sets the rate and

[59:05] that's to

[59:08] 18621 sub B and also there's another

[59:12] section of the uh of the of the the city

[59:16] code under uh cods for public

[59:19] use um the charge for use of a boat or a

[59:22] canoe shall be set by resolution of the

[59:24] city council at the time it approves it

[59:26] Contractor License so it's quite clear

[59:29] and that those were all done by you know

[59:31] resolution back in

[59:33] 2017 as amended previously so the rates

[59:37] are not set by the vendor the rates are

[59:40] set by you so I think at this point

[59:42] we're going to get into the proposal in

[59:45] detail and we probably should do that

[59:47] executive session because that's the

[59:48] terms and conditions that we're going to

[59:50] Grant the license for the use of

[59:53] facility City facility so the question

[59:56] about life jacket does that something

[59:57] does that need to be there or those kind

[59:59] of things can those life jacket it's uh

[1:00:02] it's the proposal has that and then also

[1:00:04] it's also covered our city code what is

[1:00:07] required but I don't want to get too

[1:00:09] much a deep dive to all the sections

[1:00:12] that particular proposal well miss

[1:00:14] Patrick just had a question about the

[1:00:15] life jackets and is is that going be are

[1:00:17] they going to be

[1:00:18] available life jackets we'll be

[1:00:20] providing the last Jack to all H thank

[1:00:23] you

[1:00:26] Williams uh so first I wanted to say um

[1:00:29] definitely excited to hear about a new

[1:00:30] Venture I think connectivity definitely

[1:00:32] thrives on a small businesses you know

[1:00:34] often times requires them to maintain uh

[1:00:36] the viability of our community I did

[1:00:38] have a few questions you mentioned that

[1:00:40] it was going to be $10 for 20 minutes I

[1:00:42] see in the pricing structure

[1:00:45] hopefully all right cool U so I didn't

[1:00:47] know if there was a guess 20 minutes and

[1:00:49] 30 minutes but so we can discuss that

[1:00:51] later also in your contract it said that

[1:00:53] You' pay a fee of $250 you

[1:00:57] mind even if she presented

[1:01:00] that negotiating contract well mean not

[1:01:03] negotiating getting a definition of

[1:01:04] where she came from I think you know we

[1:01:06] can bring that back if the council wish

[1:01:08] should negotiate with that we can put

[1:01:11] that right prop vendor

[1:01:15] concern so the question is with their

[1:01:19] for the general question what's what's

[1:01:21] the proposal on

[1:01:24] now say how much you how much you you

[1:01:27] want to pay the

[1:01:28] city

[1:01:30] well you ask me up $0000 by the

[1:01:33] city okay you proposed 250 let's start

[1:01:36] there no I didn't propose anything told

[1:01:40] me that I have to pay

[1:01:42] $250 so that that didn't come from me

[1:01:45] that was told by the city that I have to

[1:01:47] pay

[1:01:49] $250 now okay understood and then last

[1:01:51] question about that I thought it came

[1:01:54] from the OWN

[1:01:56] say once

[1:01:57] again if we have any concerns about

[1:01:59] proposal perhaps we can do that

[1:02:02] executive session and we can reach out

[1:02:04] to the proposed vendor with their

[1:02:06] concerns and I guess a final question in

[1:02:09] um timeline should we approve it uh how

[1:02:12] fast will you be able to implement that

[1:02:13] are you thinking about this season and

[1:02:15] do you already have the

[1:02:17] equipment I was like way I said the

[1:02:19] paper I was try to open this as soon as

[1:02:22] possible like I put it in writing was

[1:02:24] supposed to be June 3D but as you see

[1:02:28] June so i' been waiting so I was happy

[1:02:30] to receive a phone call from Mr PA when

[1:02:32] he called me like oh you forget me so so

[1:02:37] now we are in July as soon as possible

[1:02:40] cuz at this point we only have like what

[1:02:43] July August it be like two months cuz

[1:02:46] the city asked that the uh bo have to be

[1:02:50] out the water before uh September 3rd or

[1:02:54] after September 3rd

[1:02:57] so we only have like two months but you

[1:03:01] do have equipment already though yes we

[1:03:02] have the equipment already everything is

[1:03:05] set up oh okay that okay thank you so um

[1:03:09] I think there are some questions though

[1:03:11] that the council has that we would have

[1:03:13] to address those in the executive

[1:03:17] session so um there's Council has other

[1:03:20] questions and we're going to have to

[1:03:21] talk more about that in executive

[1:03:22] session because it it has to do with the

[1:03:25] contract and we can't

[1:03:26] that publicly okay okay so is the city

[1:03:29] going to send me the contract or what I

[1:03:32] well depends on the decision comes out

[1:03:34] executive session but you you'll the

[1:03:36] short answer as you'll be contacted

[1:03:38] about what the decision is okay all

[1:03:40] right thank you for the opportunity all

[1:03:42] right thank you for coming you thank you

[1:03:44] for your time thank you thank you thank

[1:03:50] you all right um the next one is the

[1:03:55] riew for the amendments to the city code

[1:03:58] um and proposed change to the City

[1:04:00] conect Historic District ordinance and

[1:04:03] the public was on June 24th

[1:04:07] 2024 and all of you have that in your

[1:04:09] packet um in addition to that you also

[1:04:14] one there

[1:04:15] was there was one piece of legislation

[1:04:18] of the legislation that um there were we

[1:04:22] received

[1:04:23] emails and email and also someone came

[1:04:26] to speak at the public hearing and they

[1:04:28] followed that up with the email as well

[1:04:30] and it had to do with the um number of

[1:04:33] people on the

[1:04:34] [Music]

[1:04:35] commission as far as I know that was the

[1:04:37] only area of concern that was brought up

[1:04:39] at the public hearing um what I did take

[1:04:43] a look at is uh all of our other boards

[1:04:47] that we have and essentially most boards

[1:04:49] with the exception of the um the board

[1:04:52] of assessment review which meets just a

[1:04:54] few weeks to um to for assessments and

[1:04:57] then the ethics board which meet seems

[1:05:00] like every uh every decade um they have

[1:05:03] five but everything else has between

[1:05:04] seven and nine and um if you would just

[1:05:08] in your packet you have the input from

[1:05:10] the individuals

[1:05:14] who unan part of the grp that

[1:05:16] unanimously um voted to try to keep it

[1:05:19] at 7 and um just want to have some

[1:05:22] discussion around that in terms of that

[1:05:25] and and you know how we how we move

[1:05:28] forward I did um I did have a discussion

[1:05:30] with Miss caror to explain um you know

[1:05:33] how I I saw this but I'd like to open

[1:05:36] this up to the council for discussion

[1:05:38] because uh at the public hearing that

[1:05:40] was the only concern that was brought up

[1:05:43] as part of this

[1:05:46] um as part of this amendment to the

[1:05:50] ordinance

[1:05:51] so yes Mr to um I I would go on the

[1:05:55] advice of of the historic commission um

[1:05:57] they've been doing this job a long time

[1:05:59] for many years having a business and a

[1:06:02] home both in historic uh districts here

[1:06:04] in the city I appreciate everything they

[1:06:06] do keeping things

[1:06:09] um keeping things uh true to to their

[1:06:13] their past um my feeling is if they

[1:06:16] think seven uh would would always uh

[1:06:19] constitute uh getting a better Quorum um

[1:06:23] and I'm going to go with their advice I

[1:06:25] think it should stay at 7 and instead of

[1:06:28] down to 5: again that's if I mean it's a

[1:06:31] it's a it's a huge undertaking this this

[1:06:34] commission itself um there's a lot to

[1:06:37] consider a lot of meetings there's a lot

[1:06:38] of areas in the city that they have to

[1:06:40] consider but um again if if these

[1:06:44] individuals um who have reached out to

[1:06:46] us have uh Richard and Gloria have been

[1:06:48] on this commission for a long time and

[1:06:50] and I think if they think seven is

[1:06:52] worthy then I I would suggest we stay

[1:06:55] with seven

[1:06:57] anybody else Miss Patrick well I do have

[1:07:00] concerns um I I appreciate what Miss

[1:07:02] Toro um and the commission is saying um

[1:07:05] at the same time I appreciate what the

[1:07:07] staff is saying

[1:07:09] having I mean if we look on page 46 of

[1:07:12] our packet we did get I think that you

[1:07:14] asked for that these statistics um

[1:07:18] and you know they really haven't had uh

[1:07:21] great attendance at the um according to

[1:07:24] this um we can see that I think we can

[1:07:29] understand why our staff person was

[1:07:30] recommending the change um but yes I can

[1:07:35] see also that the commission is asking

[1:07:37] for us to stay at 7 but I guess I would

[1:07:39] have to say that we really would need to

[1:07:44] make sure that they were going to be

[1:07:45] able to have you know more than four

[1:07:48] people there right well I'm sorry go

[1:07:51] ahead Mr no I was going to kind I agree

[1:07:53] with what uh m b is saying I think that

[1:07:56] you know we're in a cuz all things that

[1:07:59] we're talking about here kind of you

[1:08:00] know have Merit it makes sense to you

[1:08:01] know kind of defer to the people who are

[1:08:03] in the position right now who understand

[1:08:05] how things have been going um or or

[1:08:08] what's necessary but then looking at you

[1:08:10] know kind of the information that

[1:08:11] receive based on outcomes it does seem

[1:08:13] to be a struggle so I guess the question

[1:08:16] is you know if we were to defer to um

[1:08:20] people assign a commission how would

[1:08:21] they demonstrate their ability to not be

[1:08:23] in the position that they're currently

[1:08:25] in

[1:08:26] so I I think in terms of demonstrating

[1:08:28] the um um that they would not be in this

[1:08:32] position part of that is our

[1:08:33] responsibility it belongs to the city

[1:08:36] that because we

[1:08:38] really we've kind of went through this

[1:08:40] process similarly with the um the cprb

[1:08:43] true so it's about um making sure the

[1:08:47] applications are submitted my

[1:08:48] understanding from one of the emails is

[1:08:49] there are current applications that are

[1:08:51] we have here that have not gone through

[1:08:53] the process and therefore you know one

[1:08:55] they have to come to us before we can

[1:08:57] make a decision on them so um I I don't

[1:09:00] I looked for it in the code I looked and

[1:09:02] I didn't see where there's any clear

[1:09:04] process we know that we know you know

[1:09:07] because of how we've been doing it that

[1:09:08] it goes to the mayor and then mayor

[1:09:09] brings to the council but I don't see

[1:09:11] where there's any any written process

[1:09:14] and um so with the cprb the way we found

[1:09:17] out about it is that the um the chair of

[1:09:19] the cprb came to us and said oh we need

[1:09:21] people and and I kept pushing that

[1:09:22] forward when it happened with the

[1:09:23] Planning Commission the chair of the

[1:09:25] planning commission came forward when it

[1:09:27] happened with the Bureau of assessment

[1:09:29] the board of assessment review our staff

[1:09:31] member who works with that particular um

[1:09:34] board told us so we've got varying ways

[1:09:38] so I think part of it is the process and

[1:09:40] we have to make sure that we have the

[1:09:42] process and then once we have

[1:09:43] applications that we um that they're um

[1:09:47] acting on in in an expedited manner so

[1:09:50] that there is not this um from November

[1:09:52] till May like we had with the cprb so

[1:09:55] part of that is making sure that we have

[1:09:57] all the information and all people that

[1:09:59] need to have the information are aware

[1:10:01] and the applications move through the

[1:10:02] process in an expedited manner so that

[1:10:05] people can get the quum so it's not

[1:10:07] entirely I mean I would say that the

[1:10:09] board has responsibility to say hey

[1:10:12] we're missing but what is the process

[1:10:14] who does it go to and how do once

[1:10:16] applications get here we make sure that

[1:10:17] applications move through the process

[1:10:21] so so um and the I um my my

[1:10:25] recommendation is that we allow the the

[1:10:28] applications that are there be moved

[1:10:30] forward and looked at and moved forward

[1:10:32] so that um they could be able to get a

[1:10:34] form and to me it's easier to if like

[1:10:38] for instance that you look at the

[1:10:39] information that um that was provided by

[1:10:41] Miss haror in terms of them not getting

[1:10:44] um not having only four people but if

[1:10:46] you only have five to choose from and

[1:10:49] four come you have the majority but if

[1:10:51] you if you have seven then you have two

[1:10:53] more people you can ask that you can't

[1:10:56] that that would be available so I would

[1:10:59] recommend that and if if we could um get

[1:11:01] those applications moved forward and

[1:11:04] give it at least till the end of the

[1:11:05] year and see that if they're getting the

[1:11:07] quum and and move forward like that but

[1:11:10] I I uh with I would have to agree with

[1:11:12] Mr Toro that the folks who do this who

[1:11:14] volunteer their time um it's not

[1:11:17] compensated uh that they have the

[1:11:19] opportunity as long and they're willing

[1:11:21] to work with um the department head and

[1:11:23] and again I think that we need to talk

[1:11:25] about not just for this board but for

[1:11:27] all the boards we need to talk about

[1:11:28] what the process looks like getting

[1:11:30] people getting applications and get them

[1:11:32] moved through the so they don't we have

[1:11:34] vacancies for a long period of time that

[1:11:36] causes people not to have a

[1:11:38] quum Mr Williams Oh So what I first

[1:11:41] would like to identify is in no ways

[1:11:43] there a slate at the planning and

[1:11:44] development um department for putting

[1:11:46] together these amendments I think it was

[1:11:48] definitely their best interpretation of

[1:11:49] how to respond uh to address the quum

[1:11:51] issues but I truly believe in responsive

[1:11:53] government and as we had we've heard

[1:11:56] from individuals that are uh serving in

[1:11:58] these capacities saying hey can you

[1:11:59] pause and and

[1:12:02] reidentifying with that if there are

[1:12:04] applications that haven't been processed

[1:12:07] or if there is hesitancy on on um the

[1:12:09] approving agency's part I think can we

[1:12:12] discuss having a criteria uh where what

[1:12:15] are the Baseline considerations expected

[1:12:17] for a candidate and I think in similar

[1:12:19] fashion to how uh Chief Marino and the

[1:12:22] police dep and the fire department

[1:12:23] excuse me have uh identified a base

[1:12:26] level exportation and they'll train you

[1:12:27] the rest of the way can we have a

[1:12:29] baseline exportation that evaluates time

[1:12:31] served to help bridge some of those uh

[1:12:34] uh gaps if you say and having like a

[1:12:36] true candidate um but definitely we had

[1:12:39] some of these similar concerns with the

[1:12:41] cprb and I think today it's been the

[1:12:43] most uh staff so far so I I agree uh if

[1:12:47] there have been historic vacancies uh I

[1:12:51] think it is not uh um uncustomary of us

[1:12:54] to pause and see if there's ways we can

[1:12:56] just re-evaluate ways to just boost um

[1:12:59] participation but also in the right way

[1:13:01] where we're not uh taking expenses at

[1:13:04] just quality candid coming

[1:13:08] for put your hand up are you no okay yes

[1:13:12] Miss Patrick well I think Mr Farley has

[1:13:14] okay Mr far certainly so I would just I

[1:13:17] guess something I think we

[1:13:18] should probably don't talk about enough

[1:13:20] which I think that we have to uh

[1:13:22] demonstrate the curage to address when

[1:13:24] anytime we talk about it board positions

[1:13:25] I think that you

[1:13:27] know maintaining

[1:13:30] um a larger board I think gives more

[1:13:33] people opportunity and gives us a better

[1:13:35] opportunity to have a more diverse and

[1:13:38] inclusive uh board voice and I think

[1:13:40] that so that's something that we have

[1:13:42] council members no matter what we're

[1:13:43] doing any decision we're making we

[1:13:45] should be looking through an equitable

[1:13:47] lens and you know I would love to invite

[1:13:50] my colleagues to kind

[1:13:53] of be raise that point a little more

[1:13:56] often um because it's something I think

[1:13:58] that is something that's the expectation

[1:14:00] of the people of our community that um

[1:14:02] we represent that we uh make sure that

[1:14:04] we're being as inclusive and and all of

[1:14:06] these um volunteer pay whatever the

[1:14:09] situation of the board is that we set it

[1:14:11] up in a way that gives us the greatest

[1:14:12] chance to uh be more inclusive and to be

[1:14:15] equable M Patrick I was just wondering

[1:14:17] if there were other I mean there's a lot

[1:14:19] of changes in here that's just one uh

[1:14:22] that's being recommended so I just

[1:14:23] wanted to see if there were other I mean

[1:14:25] this is there's a lot in here so I

[1:14:27] didn't know if we wanted to summary um I

[1:14:30] know that particular staff person isn't

[1:14:33] here tonight but

[1:14:36] um we gave a summary already of all the

[1:14:38] changes we pres the city C so so they

[1:14:42] gave the summary and the only and then

[1:14:45] there was the public hearing so the only

[1:14:47] thing that came out of the public

[1:14:48] hearing and that was reviewed by

[1:14:50] everyone you know who had interest in it

[1:14:52] and that was the only um concern and and

[1:14:55] change that was that was requested

[1:15:00] okay yes do we know anything about in

[1:15:02] regard to the bylaws if if there are

[1:15:05] members that are passing consistently

[1:15:08] where they can maybe be discharged and

[1:15:11] bring out a new member um and maybe

[1:15:13] keeping a number a little bit smaller

[1:15:15] but we move people quicker for not

[1:15:18] showing up you know my the only concern

[1:15:21] I have is is that there's not a quum so

[1:15:23] there's a lot of time time being wasted

[1:15:26] so I'm wondering if they have um I think

[1:15:29] um we looked at that before in another

[1:15:31] board that if somebody isn't showing

[1:15:34] that we can move move them and then

[1:15:36] bring on another candidate I don't know

[1:15:40] if the bylaws address it or not I'm not

[1:15:42] sure I can get back to

[1:15:43] you what you see is is what what you

[1:15:47] that's that's the the operating

[1:15:49] structure you made some changes to the

[1:15:52] board of assessment review earlier this

[1:15:54] yearing attendance issues was the to to

[1:15:58] amend the attendance and they were being

[1:16:01] paid uh so there is there are no bylaws

[1:16:05] um regarding that and based on the

[1:16:08] information we received it said that

[1:16:10] they uh had to vote unanimously it

[1:16:12] didn't say that nothing passed that so

[1:16:15] so what ended up happening the four

[1:16:16] people were there and the four people

[1:16:19] unanimous bu on it so it was if if there

[1:16:22] had been three people that said yes and

[1:16:24] one person said no that would have been

[1:16:25] a problem but so far that hasn't been

[1:16:28] the

[1:16:29] problem so which to me again speaks to

[1:16:32] the fact that you should have more

[1:16:33] opportunity a bigger pool to choose from

[1:16:35] to lessen the um possibility of having a

[1:16:40] not having a

[1:16:43] COR so the the uh it's on page 63 and

[1:16:47] item uh number one article

[1:16:51] 10 uh membership

[1:16:55] so the way it's being proposed is that

[1:16:57] it should it go down to five and then

[1:17:00] one alternate member to serve in the

[1:17:02] absence of a

[1:17:07] member and Mr O'Brien the one alternate

[1:17:11] member was an addition when when you

[1:17:13] change when it was the requested was to

[1:17:15] change it from 5 to 7 7 to five you

[1:17:17] would just want to keep the seven

[1:17:19] everything else uh leave the

[1:17:22] same yes that's that's what

[1:17:25] consensus of the council just change the

[1:17:27] board you know keep keep it in other

[1:17:29] words the draft is amended but the

[1:17:34] actual code is not because the code is

[1:17:36] not the code is decreased the amendment

[1:17:39] is asking for a decrease but you don't

[1:17:41] want want to do that so just the uh

[1:17:44] proposed uh legislation just has to be

[1:17:48] amended to reflect seven instead of five

[1:17:50] yes membership is that the is that the

[1:17:54] any other change regarding that that's

[1:17:57] that you're all good with that okay yes

[1:18:00] so we just change the draft for it to be

[1:18:02] said sure I don't know that that this is

[1:18:04] something that need to be addressed in

[1:18:06] this but I think it should just be noted

[1:18:07] that cuz I I heard you say at least to

[1:18:10] the end of the year to see and then make

[1:18:12] could revisit something like that I

[1:18:14] think that that's a good I don't know

[1:18:16] that that needs to be in the amendment

[1:18:18] right but just it's

[1:18:19] just always say corre at any time you

[1:18:24] can just saying for clarity expectation

[1:18:27] transparency purposes I think it should

[1:18:28] be

[1:18:29] so would you pass

[1:18:32] uh resolution excuse me a a motion

[1:18:36] tonight to amend the uh proposal to

[1:18:39] reflect the uh number to remain at seven

[1:18:43] out than five yes and then the coun then

[1:18:48] ordinance has proposed to go before the

[1:18:50] Council next Monday right well that has

[1:18:52] to pass out the committee that means

[1:18:54] that Miss I'm okay I'll move it um but

[1:18:58] go ahead so so if we stay with seven the

[1:19:01] the stipulation one alternative member

[1:19:03] that's removed

[1:19:07] yes membership will be uned right right

[1:19:12] and I just um do want to like and I

[1:19:15] guess you talked to the mayor's office

[1:19:17] about this to make sure the applications

[1:19:18] that are there um would they be in your

[1:19:21] office the applications that are have

[1:19:23] been submitted would they be with your

[1:19:25] office at this point uh that's my

[1:19:28] understanding okay so if we could just

[1:19:30] make sure that um if the council you

[1:19:32] know if you're if they're acceptable to

[1:19:35] you that you would move this forward

[1:19:36] because then then that would that allow

[1:19:39] them to have the Quorum and not be in

[1:19:41] the same situation have the same

[1:19:43] conversation mon from now and so the

[1:19:45] council was going to reduce the number I

[1:19:47] wasn't looking to over staff the board

[1:19:49] and oh you

[1:19:52] were oh okay

[1:19:56] well so I'm not um looking to we looking

[1:20:00] to leave it at 7

[1:20:03] okay so I will put in a motion to accept

[1:20:06] this um with that one change of leaving

[1:20:09] it at 7 and taking out the um alternate

[1:20:12] so that's article 10 section A 1 a so

[1:20:17] otherwise we accept the other the other

[1:20:20] changes as uh indicated by

[1:20:23] our I'll second that all those in favor

[1:20:26] I I thank

[1:20:30] you uh the next item on the agenda is

[1:20:33] the review regarding amendments to the

[1:20:35] connec zoning ordinance relating to the

[1:20:37] Hamilton Hill development plan also

[1:20:39] referred to as connect 40 project in the

[1:20:41] area of Albany page State and SKC Street

[1:20:44] the public hearing was on the 24th of

[1:20:48] June uh

[1:20:50] so we uh had the public hearing actually

[1:20:53] no one came to speak of public hearing

[1:20:54] hearing and what is before you now is um

[1:20:58] that we would have to um pass the uh

[1:21:02] those amendments to the zoning and we it

[1:21:04] was unanimously um the Planning

[1:21:07] Commission approved the resoning

[1:21:09] unanimously any questions or comments or

[1:21:12] is there someone here to speak to

[1:21:15] this I'm always available but I think

[1:21:18] we've said it

[1:21:20] all does anyone have any questions we

[1:21:23] have our team here if anyone question

[1:21:24] any does anyone have any questions

[1:21:26] regarding that okay then I guess you can

[1:21:29] save the

[1:21:31] speed all right I'll motion I'll move it

[1:21:34] I'll second all those in favor I I thank

[1:21:36] you um the next item on the agenda is

[1:21:40] for the um city council to De declar le

[1:21:44] Agency for a

[1:21:46] Seeker um for the same project the

[1:21:48] Hamilton Hill Redevelopment plan zoning

[1:21:50] change for skin

[1:21:52] 40 any questions would you

[1:21:56] anything okay see it's not

[1:22:02] deare the negative

[1:22:04] declaration is there something Mr no

[1:22:08] negative

[1:22:09] declaration I'll move it I'll second all

[1:22:12] in favor I I thank

[1:22:15] you actually the mayor's name was on

[1:22:17] that sorry

[1:22:20] mayor your name was on I apologize did

[1:22:23] you have something you want to say

[1:22:25] no it's at this point I think it's all

[1:22:27] proor put a lot of time and effort in

[1:22:29] this and I'm glad it's coming to a

[1:22:32] conclusion great thank

[1:22:35] you uh the next item on the agenda is to

[1:22:39] revisit the discussion about producing

[1:22:41] the city's speed limit to 25 mph and

[1:22:43] other safety traffic measures Miss

[1:22:45] Patrick yes well I just wanted to uh

[1:22:48] bring this back forward again um I think

[1:22:50] we need to be able to move forward on

[1:22:52] some of this um we've heard from various

[1:22:56] residents um about the concern about

[1:22:59] speeding and other types of uh traffic

[1:23:01] infractions that have been happening uh

[1:23:04] the concerns that I brought up last time

[1:23:06] uh had to do with um how we would go

[1:23:09] about uh educating how we would go about

[1:23:12] with uh making sure that we were

[1:23:14] enforcing um again I think we need staff

[1:23:17] to be able to um talk with us about um

[1:23:21] which streets would be uh 2 M an hour um

[1:23:26] I because there are some streets that we

[1:23:28] know we wouldn't want to put down to 25

[1:23:30] M hour but as we've said over and over

[1:23:34] again for the last few years in bringing

[1:23:36] this forward um even Bringing Down the

[1:23:38] speed limit from 30 to 25 there's

[1:23:40] research that shows um that that has an

[1:23:43] impact on pedestrian safety for sure um

[1:23:46] I think we've heard from um I think you

[1:23:50] know Chief Clifford's not here but I've

[1:23:53] heard from um a couple of U members of

[1:23:55] our Police Department that if we were to

[1:23:57] lower the speed limit then we could at

[1:23:59] least know that people might go 30 uh

[1:24:02] instead of 25 um it gives them a little

[1:24:04] bit more flexibility in terms of being

[1:24:06] able to um issue tickets um so I just I

[1:24:12] I you know I don't know the next step um

[1:24:14] I think um obviously there'd be some

[1:24:17] budgetary issues in terms of changing

[1:24:19] the um the signage um again the signage

[1:24:23] is primarily um at entranceways to the

[1:24:26] city

[1:24:27] um so I leave it open for folks to chime

[1:24:31] in here but see what other people feel

[1:24:34] um well the last time we talked about

[1:24:36] this um we uh we asked that Chief

[1:24:39] Clifford Mr Canon and

[1:24:41] uh Chris Wallen is now gone to talk

[1:24:44] about this so I I agree that we need to

[1:24:48] do that um the there was an accident

[1:24:51] that happened last August I think all of

[1:24:54] you may have know about that at this

[1:24:56] point in time where a woman was

[1:24:57] seriously

[1:24:58] injured and um I mean a traumatic brain

[1:25:02] injury and

[1:25:04] so there's definitely a problem with

[1:25:06] speeding I think we've all seen it we

[1:25:07] didn't have to wait for an accident to

[1:25:09] see it we've all seen it I also

[1:25:11] understand that there's only certain

[1:25:12] there's certain street that that we

[1:25:14] can't apply this to but we would

[1:25:16] definitely need to hear um again from Mr

[1:25:18] Wallen and from Mr Canon Mr yeah Mr

[1:25:23] Canon who I guess the fine person U he

[1:25:25] replaced John kucho and uh Chief

[1:25:28] Clifford but I don't know how we um can

[1:25:32] get that

[1:25:34] accommodated to have them here so we can

[1:25:36] you know hear what needs to be done and

[1:25:38] then move

[1:25:39] forward get it scheduled and get them

[1:25:41] here with an appropriate presentation

[1:25:43] okay so for the next committee meeting

[1:25:46] quite possible their calendar July's a

[1:25:50] little bit harder with some vacation I

[1:25:52] tentatively say yes cancel

[1:25:55] vacations the city council controls the

[1:25:59] terms and conditions of employment so if

[1:26:01] you want to do a resolution canceling

[1:26:03] vacation I don't think they'll be very

[1:26:05] popular resolution I I just wanted to

[1:26:08] point out that um we do have a resident

[1:26:09] here this evening who did give us um

[1:26:11] some additional information about lower

[1:26:13] speed limit so I appreciate that um it's

[1:26:16] information that uh came to my attention

[1:26:19] a couple of years ago um I support the

[1:26:22] the information that that's in there um

[1:26:24] so I hope that everybody will take a

[1:26:25] chance take a moment to to to look at

[1:26:27] that and we have other residents here

[1:26:29] this evening as well who have come

[1:26:31] continuously to our Council asking us to

[1:26:34] move forward um with trying to you know

[1:26:37] Implement some change so um I think

[1:26:42] especially as we when we move into the

[1:26:43] budget season it's clear that we will

[1:26:46] have some budget implications of this um

[1:26:49] in terms of do we need additional stop

[1:26:51] signs do we

[1:26:52] want to to think about you know what

[1:26:55] happens with cameras on stop lights and

[1:26:57] whether tickets get automatically um

[1:27:00] issued if someone goes through a redl

[1:27:02] for example I mean that was something

[1:27:03] that Mr PA manyy brought up when he was

[1:27:05] on Council so some of this has

[1:27:07] implications budget wise and we would

[1:27:10] have to care for staff um regarding

[1:27:13] those kinds of things yes and also I'm

[1:27:16] going to say 5 years ago I think I

[1:27:18] presented something to for us to get

[1:27:20] speed hunts which took 3 years and then

[1:27:22] we only had it as a demonstration

[1:27:24] project on one street so we definitely

[1:27:26] need to look at traffic calming measures

[1:27:29] um to to make sure that um that we

[1:27:32] address this problem so um if if and I

[1:27:35] don't even know where those speed humps

[1:27:37] are now because they didn't come back

[1:27:38] out again this summer I have no idea so

[1:27:41] we definitely have to do that and but in

[1:27:43] addition to all of the things that we

[1:27:45] passed we have like implementation and

[1:27:47] enforcement is going to be a huge part

[1:27:49] of this whole process yes yes M and I do

[1:27:52] want to say um was expressing this to a

[1:27:55] resident that called today but um I've

[1:27:57] really racked my brains um I know this

[1:27:59] is going to sound really wacky but I

[1:28:01] mean one of the ideas that I have is

[1:28:03] whether we could approach um something

[1:28:06] like AAA to see if you know they would

[1:28:09] offer um a free defensive driving course

[1:28:13] to Residents who um you know I I don't

[1:28:16] know I mean all of this would have to be

[1:28:18] worked out in terms of a program but I

[1:28:20] know I myself did that during Co when we

[1:28:23] were stuck in home home you know before

[1:28:25] vaccination time I took that defensive

[1:28:27] driving again for the second time in my

[1:28:29] life and um I know that it has

[1:28:32] influenced my behavior um as I drive

[1:28:35] around the city and um you know I would

[1:28:37] hope that that might have an impact as

[1:28:39] well so we have to try to come up with

[1:28:41] some other creative uh ways to the the

[1:28:45] behavior issue I feel is just so

[1:28:47] fundamental uh I encourage all of you to

[1:28:50] when you leave tonight go drive home 25

[1:28:53] M hour on the streets that you think

[1:28:55] this might happen and you'll see that it

[1:28:56] is difficult to do so um but again I

[1:29:00] mean it's a safety factor that I I I

[1:29:03] really can't discount enough and you'll

[1:29:05] see that um again this is this this

[1:29:08] handout is definitely some of the things

[1:29:10] that I I saw when I was first

[1:29:12] researching this so please uh pay

[1:29:16] attention to this and let's try to um

[1:29:18] you know get the staff here and try to

[1:29:20] come to some

[1:29:22] decisions um about this

[1:29:25] uh Mr Wings so I I

[1:29:31] um I know there are a number of

[1:29:32] residents who are looking at this

[1:29:33] conversation and saying that again this

[1:29:35] is an item that's been talked about and

[1:29:37] talked about and talked about and no

[1:29:39] action has been conducted and to them I

[1:29:41] would just like to ask for their

[1:29:43] contined patience um I think I always

[1:29:46] appreciate a light light Baner

[1:29:48] especially kind of referencing the the

[1:29:50] budget season um but with all sincerity

[1:29:53] this is

[1:29:54] a a a a dire issue that we need to

[1:29:57] address um I need to miss um Patrick's

[1:30:01] Point I don't think we're short of ideas

[1:30:03] it's just selecting one um I'm glad that

[1:30:06] we've expanded from the singular focus

[1:30:09] of uh this item with addressing just in

[1:30:11] governements in general and I think we

[1:30:12] truly need to have a comprehensive

[1:30:15] approach for the entire city uh even in

[1:30:18] separate facets but for my entire

[1:30:19] Council um career that highlighted just

[1:30:23] neighbor hoods throughout the city that

[1:30:24] are experiencing this to varying degrees

[1:30:27] um but but collectively as a city we

[1:30:29] need to respond and again if that is

[1:30:32] waiting for the conversation to have the

[1:30:33] proper uh agents and agencies to speak

[1:30:36] to this I I I uh I yield to that um but

[1:30:39] very much I correct me if I'm wrong

[1:30:41] anyone at the table I think we do not

[1:30:44] need to experience a fatality to

[1:30:46] understand the severity of this and uh I

[1:30:49] I appreciate the individuals throughout

[1:30:51] the city who are taking the time to

[1:30:52] adhere proactively to being uh slower in

[1:30:56] their vehicles um but we are addressing

[1:30:59] individuals that are taking a less of

[1:31:00] regard for it um so again it is our

[1:31:03] responsibility to hold individuals uh

[1:31:06] accountable for helping us identify the

[1:31:08] proper solution we have had measures in

[1:31:10] place referencing the speed humps that

[1:31:12] have been indicated that they had a had

[1:31:14] a a positive impact um but again we just

[1:31:17] need to respond and then hold that

[1:31:20] response year in and year out um in

[1:31:23] order

[1:31:25] this yes Mr Mr far we has his hand up

[1:31:29] yeah so I'll try to be brief as I can I

[1:31:31] think this is has there's been some

[1:31:33] learning for me in this cuz initially I

[1:31:34] was just like okay yeah we keep talking

[1:31:36] this why AR we just doing something but

[1:31:37] I think that now recognizing you know

[1:31:40] what steps have to be in place and for

[1:31:41] us to make an informed decision I will

[1:31:44] second what Mr Williams kind of thrs

[1:31:45] around like it we need to make sure that

[1:31:47] we're doing this in a way that's smart

[1:31:49] that has an impact on why I guess then

[1:31:52] my other question you know we're kind of

[1:31:54] wering if you will is what can we do in

[1:31:57] the meantime because I feel like you

[1:31:59] know I know we talked about uh you said

[1:32:02] some speed humps that were out that we

[1:32:04] might have in possession of the city are

[1:32:06] there things that where we can as we are

[1:32:09] going through the process are there you

[1:32:12] know as we go through the kind of the

[1:32:13] graduated interventions are there things

[1:32:15] that we can do along the way um as far

[1:32:18] as uh you know maybe bringing out

[1:32:20] whatever speed humps that we have um and

[1:32:22] putting those in um um the areas that

[1:32:24] have been identified to be you know kind

[1:32:26] of those more high-risk areas um is

[1:32:29] there um signage that we have that we

[1:32:31] can kind of post up so I'm just welc

[1:32:33] like like what are some of those

[1:32:36] more measured responses as we wait to

[1:32:39] get to kind of that larger response um

[1:32:42] and if there are those I would just

[1:32:44] encourage us to at least do those things

[1:32:45] like I don't know exactly what all of

[1:32:47] those are yes well for example we have

[1:32:50] um we have like the digital uh you know

[1:32:54] sign like the one you at high school you

[1:32:56] know if you're coming up um is it Mullen

[1:32:59] um you know that kind of thing where I

[1:33:01] mean again I would think that when

[1:33:03] people see what their speed is and what

[1:33:06] the speed is supposed to be hopefully

[1:33:08] that would make them so we have you know

[1:33:10] that that's one type of traffic calming

[1:33:12] measure that that also could could

[1:33:14] happen um we did I just wanted to point

[1:33:16] out publicly that we did get the home

[1:33:19] rule legislation passed in August of

[1:33:22] 2022 so that we move forward with doing

[1:33:25] this um changing the speed limit so that

[1:33:28] piece is in place

[1:33:30] um and then otherwise I think we need to

[1:33:33] hear from staff on some of these other

[1:33:35] items I would agree we definitely have

[1:33:37] to hear from staff but I um because I

[1:33:41] would I would um say to council members

[1:33:43] forward your questions to the clerk's

[1:33:46] office so that anything that you want

[1:33:47] staff to consider or talk about in the

[1:33:49] presentation uh that that they would

[1:33:52] have the information prepared ready to

[1:33:54] talk about it at that time and and to Mr

[1:33:57] Char point I think this the staff is

[1:33:58] going to have to be the one who decides

[1:34:01] you know what measures can be taken in

[1:34:02] what steps because you know they do that

[1:34:04] more and also we did do when there was a

[1:34:08] situation on King's Road they did

[1:34:09] Implement some things in addition to

[1:34:12] that some of the stop signs where it has

[1:34:15] the light that uh like light has extra

[1:34:18] lights on it so there have been some

[1:34:20] things that have been implemented but

[1:34:21] clearly we need to do more so we yes Mr

[1:34:25] Toro um I did know it stop signs all on

[1:34:27] Eastern Avenue as well there now there's

[1:34:29] red reflection tape on the bottom of the

[1:34:31] stop saw that too so kind of brings them

[1:34:35] right out I mean maybe not everyone can

[1:34:37] have every sign can have the

[1:34:39] uh right but um yeah so there are

[1:34:43] different meth you know different

[1:34:44] methods to catch our attention yes

[1:34:47] you're right but again once everyone

[1:34:50] gets here and um we can come up with a

[1:34:52] plan and I it's a good idea that we do

[1:34:54] send our questions to to the clerk so

[1:34:57] that at least when they get here they'll

[1:34:59] know what what you know a lot of our our

[1:35:01] concerns are probably all the same

[1:35:03] because we hear the same thing from

[1:35:04] everyone throughout so and I think the

[1:35:08] for that maybe um like what kind of data

[1:35:11] would we have like time of day accidents

[1:35:14] tickets issued the most complaints so

[1:35:17] like like you talked about yeah The Hot

[1:35:20] Zone yeah we have all that we've had

[1:35:23] that presentation actually even also so

[1:35:26] we could probably ask for that's one of

[1:35:28] the questions we can make sure the data

[1:35:29] is up to date from when of the last time

[1:35:31] we had prev so at this point in time we

[1:35:34] bring this back in two weeks and again

[1:35:37] submit any of your questions concerns to

[1:35:38] the clerk's office so they can be

[1:35:40] forwarded to the appropriate staff so

[1:35:42] when they come they can answer those

[1:35:44] questions thank you for bringing forward

[1:35:46] Miss Miss

[1:35:48] P all right

[1:35:51] um the next item is discussion

[1:35:54] the form during City Council meetings at

[1:35:57] the last committee meeting I asked that

[1:36:00] we add one thing to um the current rules

[1:36:03] of the Forum that being that if the

[1:36:05] individual um s the would state that by

[1:36:09] signing this I agree to adhere to her

[1:36:12] abide by um the rules of the Quorum and

[1:36:15] so miss uh Miss barage said that she

[1:36:18] wanted to look at whether or not that

[1:36:19] was something that we could legally um

[1:36:22] do and so so um I'll just let her she

[1:36:27] present some case law which all of you

[1:36:29] should have a copy of and I'll just let

[1:36:32] her present um what her opinion on that

[1:36:37] is thank you madam president um as the

[1:36:41] chair uh you have you are the one who

[1:36:44] can run the meeting so you can enforce

[1:36:47] uh the rules that you would like to

[1:36:50] enforce

[1:36:54] um I provided you with case law for our

[1:36:57] discussion and if you have further

[1:36:59] questions you can present them so based

[1:37:02] on the case law um the case law really

[1:37:05] talked a lot about um violating people's

[1:37:08] Fifth Amendment rights and I don't see

[1:37:11] um asking people to say that I'll hear

[1:37:13] by the rules is violating their Fifth

[1:37:15] Amendment rights in any way so um for me

[1:37:18] it's I say that we you know I want to I

[1:37:21] would like to move forward so that it's

[1:37:22] there that a person signs it and says I

[1:37:25] I'm willing to go by these rules I don't

[1:37:27] see where there's a violation of the

[1:37:29] person's First Amendment

[1:37:32] um right so unless you I just don't see

[1:37:35] it in there Mr far oh no that's so I was

[1:37:39] asking Corporation Council do you feel

[1:37:41] that that we can get into that uh space

[1:37:44] of violing someone's rights by acing

[1:37:46] them to sign that or just trying to see

[1:37:48] what your opinion is on that um I've not

[1:37:51] I've never provided an opinion that

[1:37:54] uh it's a violation of the rights V

[1:37:56] rights um it's up to a judge If This

[1:37:59] Were if someone were to accuse the city

[1:38:03] of that uh it's not up to me so it's

[1:38:07] possible but there's the potential that

[1:38:10] someone

[1:38:12] would uh try to make that clean I'm not

[1:38:16] providing an opinion on whether they

[1:38:18] would win or

[1:38:20] not because it's up to a judge or a jury

[1:38:23] at the end of the day not to

[1:38:27] me did you have did you have a

[1:38:31] hand anyone else so our question

[1:38:35] is when they sign in there's the rules

[1:38:40] of um the cor the Corum that they're

[1:38:43] going to follow that is what we're

[1:38:45] asking him and if it's your

[1:38:47] interpretation as the if they violate

[1:38:50] that and you can that's currently

[1:38:52] already like that yeah yeah that's

[1:38:54] that's already there if someone starts

[1:38:55] to swear you've seen it and like you

[1:38:57] know then they get stopped this is

[1:38:59] simply saying that I'm willing to do

[1:39:01] that that's I think it's already implied

[1:39:04] but I'd like to see it just added to

[1:39:09] that yes Miss Patrick and again I think

[1:39:11] what we talked about at the last meeting

[1:39:13] was that it could be at the top of the

[1:39:15] there could be a statement at the top of

[1:39:16] the signning

[1:39:18] sheet that indicates this is what you're

[1:39:20] signing you

[1:39:21] know I don't know the language that we

[1:39:24] used but I'm just saying once they sign

[1:39:25] their name onto that signin sheet it

[1:39:27] would mean that they were agreeing to

[1:39:29] whatever was at the top of the

[1:39:31] sheet and so and that's what I'd like to

[1:39:34] and then I do think um that again

[1:39:37] council president maintains that order

[1:39:40] um by virtue of I mean announcing what

[1:39:43] the rules are um and then keeping

[1:39:47] people to task um as they speak which

[1:39:50] you know you do do

[1:39:54] so I just would like to add that to the

[1:39:56] to the rules of the form just

[1:39:59] so it's there and people are

[1:40:03] clear Mr Williams um so I would say I

[1:40:06] definitely don't see an issue with that

[1:40:08] I'm not an attorney or practicing law

[1:40:10] nor what I want to um but definitely

[1:40:13] it's identified as privilege of the so

[1:40:16] to me that sounds like there is a a

[1:40:18] shared understanding of what it is you

[1:40:20] need to fulfill to have this ability to

[1:40:22] speak

[1:40:23] um I think just uh lining up or or

[1:40:27] having the written justification I think

[1:40:29] looks beyond the individual that's

[1:40:31] currently in the seat but provides that

[1:40:32] justification because in instances there

[1:40:35] have been individuals that challenge

[1:40:37] what is not written and it should not

[1:40:39] have to be up to interpretation it

[1:40:40] should be something that is again

[1:40:42] written so we can reference um for all

[1:40:46] Clarity within

[1:40:48] reason I'm sorry within

[1:40:51] reason may I haven't had a chance to

[1:40:53] read these documents

[1:40:55] then okay yes so we can wait until the

[1:40:59] next cycle um but I again to me that um

[1:41:02] these documents don't address what my

[1:41:04] question was and was my question was

[1:41:06] simply a statement of saying if I if I

[1:41:10] sign this by signing this I will adhere

[1:41:12] to these rules and these documents speak

[1:41:15] a lot to um people's strength amend

[1:41:17] being

[1:41:18] violated I think just again I'm just

[1:41:22] briefly looking at the case some in this

[1:41:23] one and the last sentence there does say

[1:41:25] the First Amendment did not protect

[1:41:27] defendant's right to discuss irrelevant

[1:41:29] topics at the meeting so yeah and which

[1:41:32] is already in there we we kind of say

[1:41:34] that in in terms of the public

[1:41:36] hearing yeah I would just say I think

[1:41:40] um the reality is no matter what it says

[1:41:44] on on paper our expectations and our

[1:41:46] rules I my my very very very very

[1:41:50] limited scope of understanding um to

[1:41:52] this

[1:41:53] how I understand it would be that

[1:41:55] someone's uh uh first their First

[1:41:59] Amendment right will supersede any real

[1:42:01] expectation that we um have for them

[1:42:04] anyway I believe that that would be the

[1:42:06] kind of the final say on that but again

[1:42:09] so I'm completely okay with I think what

[1:42:12] you're uh kind of bringing forward is

[1:42:14] saying that there's a clear

[1:42:16] understanding and not just an implied

[1:42:18] understanding of what people sign which

[1:42:19] I think is really good um again though I

[1:42:22] would just be really defer to

[1:42:24] Corporation counsel if they have any

[1:42:25] reservations around that I would welcome

[1:42:28] that and we should probably you know I

[1:42:29] that would be something that I would

[1:42:30] want to take into a strong

[1:42:32] consideration I think since the uh chair

[1:42:37] already um can call someone out of order

[1:42:40] and runs the meeting is an unnecessary

[1:42:44] [Music]

[1:42:47] addition I'd like to say there I think

[1:42:49] it's necessary it states for people

[1:42:51] exactly what's there and just spells it

[1:42:54] out no questions asked and and I would

[1:42:57] still go over the rules Etc but I don't

[1:43:00] think that um just stating letting

[1:43:03] people know that I'm willing to adhere

[1:43:04] to this

[1:43:05] is unnecessary I think it's quite

[1:43:08] necessary quite frankly based on some of

[1:43:11] the

[1:43:13] uh meetings we've had and going forward

[1:43:16] so that people understand that the

[1:43:17] reason that we even had the rules of the

[1:43:18] form to begin with a couple years ago

[1:43:21] was because it was just getting a little

[1:43:23] a little dicey so that's why we came up

[1:43:25] with a B so I'd like to see that on

[1:43:27] there and I'd like to um be able to work

[1:43:29] with Corporation counsel for us to have

[1:43:31] appropriate language that just spells it

[1:43:34] out like that and being able to bring

[1:43:35] that back into it Mr oh is your hand

[1:43:39] up I think well I'll make a comment I'll

[1:43:43] prer to the councilman it's councilman

[1:43:45] well no I think we just have to

[1:43:47] recognize that there will be risks there

[1:43:50] will be risks of you know um getting

[1:43:53] suit it sounds like or getting having to

[1:43:56] you know be brought to Fort um so we

[1:43:58] have to understand those risks if we

[1:44:01] decide to move forward with that I might

[1:44:04] I know you're not making an opinion that

[1:44:05] it would be up to a judge but that's

[1:44:07] what I'm hearing in other words of

[1:44:08] course anybody could bring us to court

[1:44:11] if they wanted to everything a risk yeah

[1:44:14] so I just wanted to say that publicly

[1:44:16] that a risk 100% And there's a risk with

[1:44:19] almost anything that we have to do yes

[1:44:22] Mr fary yeah and just for clarity my

[1:44:24] question would you know wouldn't

[1:44:25] necessarily be about whether it's

[1:44:27] necessary or not I think that that's

[1:44:28] well within the um real house of the

[1:44:31] council and and to experience the

[1:44:33] meetings whether you think it's

[1:44:34] necessary or not my question is is more

[1:44:36] along the lines of because it makes

[1:44:38] reasonable sense to me I would support

[1:44:40] it but I want to make sure that we're

[1:44:42] deferring to Corporation counsel to make

[1:44:43] sure that we are in you know legal

[1:44:45] parameters and minimizing the likelihood

[1:44:48] of Us ending up in a situation that we

[1:44:50] don't need to be so that was really M

[1:44:52] May

[1:44:53] yeah what's your end goal you put the

[1:44:57] rules down which people already know or

[1:45:00] should know somebody violates it what

[1:45:02] are you looking to

[1:45:04] do my own goal is to well already when

[1:45:07] people violate it I tell them my my goal

[1:45:08] is just to state for people in the very

[1:45:10] beginning that we our expectation of you

[1:45:14] is that you will go cool by the slides

[1:45:16] that's it so and I don't and again I

[1:45:19] don't I don't find you don't need the

[1:45:20] corporation counsel or any other staff

[1:45:22] to do it prerogative have the clerk put

[1:45:25] it on the list put it there and we're

[1:45:27] done with it know it's the end becomes

[1:45:31] what do you do do you rule somebody out

[1:45:33] of order do you recess the meeting

[1:45:35] sergeant-at-arms you bring the police in

[1:45:38] we can remove somebody if they're really

[1:45:40] uh totally out of line that seem to be

[1:45:44] overly complicating something solely

[1:45:46] within the barog of the organizational

[1:45:48] structure of the BS Office of the

[1:45:49] council president well that's what I

[1:45:51] thought the last meeting how Corporation

[1:45:53] Council said that we need to have a

[1:45:56] legal um opinion on it do you seem going

[1:46:00] clear I was very clear I don't mean

[1:46:04] in

[1:46:07] okay I think there would have to be some

[1:46:10] consequence though I think that's what

[1:46:11] the mayor is asking so I mean when I

[1:46:13] look at um again I've only briefly

[1:46:15] looked at this but it looks like we

[1:46:17] would be saying okay someone will be

[1:46:18] removing this person from our Chambers

[1:46:21] and Roberts rules the borders cover a

[1:46:23] lot which the way the council um 28 of

[1:46:27] the code explains that uh Robert's rules

[1:46:30] are what we abide by unless it's

[1:46:33] otherwise so Robert's Rules covers

[1:46:34] covers those things yes yes Mr fary and

[1:46:38] I I would just say that this might not

[1:46:39] be um I I don't see this necessarily as

[1:46:42] a reactive thing this can kind of be a

[1:46:44] proactive thing that reduces the

[1:46:46] likelihood of us getting to that place

[1:46:48] right so where people understand that

[1:46:50] when you sign up you know you're not

[1:46:52] just signing your name to speak on this

[1:46:53] list you're signing your name to speak

[1:46:55] on this list and there is a shared

[1:46:57] understanding of how wom will conduct

[1:46:58] themselves by speaking in this way and

[1:47:00] this and if that's clearest among them

[1:47:01] they're less likely to to make his point

[1:47:04] to get way out of line and I think so

[1:47:06] that there are things that have in

[1:47:07] placed to address the people do that

[1:47:09] behavior I think that this is a pretty

[1:47:11] lowrisk way as long as it's

[1:47:13] constitutionally sound a lowrisk way to

[1:47:15] um uh minimize the rest of that

[1:47:19] happen so B with the mar say we can just

[1:47:22] um do that through the council so

[1:47:27] willing to I still would want I would um

[1:47:29] pass the language just to make sure if

[1:47:32] Corporation Council is over with me to

[1:47:33] make sure but I don't I don't think the

[1:47:36] language that I am actually submitted

[1:47:38] did not but just basically said you'll

[1:47:40] abide by the source

[1:47:41] so we will have that ready for the next

[1:47:44] council

[1:47:46] meeting any other questions or further

[1:47:48] discussion on this

[1:47:51] topic okay the last two items are for

[1:47:55] executive session and um and then we

[1:47:58] have to also bring back the discussion

[1:48:00] of the water bikes so um I'll make a mo

[1:48:04] I'll look for a motion go executive

[1:48:05] session to talk about property sales and

[1:48:08] also um the contract for the water bike

[1:48:11] rental services I'll second all in favor

[1:48:14] I so in executive session and members of

[1:48:17] the public will have to leave

[1:48:30] [Music]

[1:48:39] what

Schenectady City Council Committee, July 1, 2024

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