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[1:41] micone thank you sir very welcome so old

[1:45] topic new topic uh issues of speeding in

[1:48] the city is conc so I was asked to come

[1:50] up here and talk about the uh topic that

[1:52] we formally had about reduction of the

[1:54] speed limit to 25 milph I'm sure we all

[1:56] saw that the city of Albany recently

[1:58] reduced their speed to miles hour um

[2:01] that was earlier this week I was in

[2:04] contact with f was in Albany their

[2:06] engineer and we did have an internal

[2:08] meeting by the with the police

[2:10] department and Brian Canon with the sign

[2:11] signal department and we did decide to

[2:14] uh start looking at and moving this

[2:17] forward at the request of the council um

[2:19] as you know previously I've been

[2:21] engaging with uh Fred mastriani fcm

[2:24] engineering we looked specifically at

[2:26] Kings Road Rugby Road Dwayne Avenue when

[2:29] we were doing small studies um given

[2:33] that the the studies have been varied

[2:35] with what it is and then Alban's outcome

[2:37] Albany did reduce uh the majority of

[2:41] their City to 25 milph using uh

[2:43] different engineering um what I metrics

[2:47] they use density they use um you know

[2:50] character of the neighborhood they used

[2:51] a couple of things that we hadn't looked

[2:53] at before uh to do that um so what we

[2:56] then did is Mayor and I reached out to

[2:58] our transportation Council we had a

[3:00] meeting with them today with their

[3:02] executive director um and the

[3:04] transportation Council uh has agreed

[3:07] they have a they receive grant funding

[3:09] through the Safe Streets for all Grant

[3:10] it's called ss4a it's Federal program

[3:13] and as part of that they uh hired a

[3:15] consultant and we'll be working with

[3:17] municipalities on coming up with the

[3:20] recommendations for select

[3:21] municipalities for reduction of speed

[3:24] for the roads they already have the

[3:25] consultant on board uh and she is more

[3:27] than willing to work with us on that so

[3:29] given that um our previous engineer Fred

[3:32] if everyone knows great gentleman

[3:34] smaller operation very good at the

[3:36] singular streets but if we're going to

[3:38] be moving to we want to look at the

[3:39] whole city holistically like Al did we'd

[3:42] really like to take the opportunity to

[3:43] accept the the grant money and move

[3:46] forward with working with uh essentially

[3:48] the capital region no on putting

[3:50] together recommendations for the entire

[3:52] Council to lower the city uh speed Li to

[3:55] 25 so right now that was we had that

[3:57] meeting just today we had our meeting

[3:59] meting with the police department um on

[4:01] Friday and uh you know we did just I

[4:04] don't want to speak for for Brian uh you

[4:06] know he's been doing some research on it

[4:07] and the the impact that can have when

[4:09] you do lower the speed limit for

[4:11] pedestrian safety and things it is it is

[4:13] significant yes so um we don't want to

[4:15] take it lightly if the council is in

[4:17] favor of us moving forward with the

[4:19] study for the entire reduction then

[4:21] we're going to work with the no and and

[4:24] come back with a proposal on the entire

[4:26] city go ahead Miss Patrick um so we've

[4:29] been uh talking about this since August

[4:31] of 2022 that was the first time that I

[4:33] put in a legislative request and then I

[4:35] put one in in September of

[4:37] 2023 um and and more recently um I do

[4:40] have the materials from Albany that were

[4:42] sent to me from uh someone connected

[4:44] over there so I saw the Katon Manning I

[4:47] think I think that's the name of the fir

[4:48] Manning yon Manning uh that did the

[4:50] engineering study I actually hoped that

[4:52] tonight we were actually going to be

[4:54] able to take action as Council and vote

[4:56] for a 25 M hour speed limit um my

[5:00] thought is I'd like to see the city

[5:02] become 25 miles per hour um across the

[5:06] city and then do the exensions on the

[5:08] streets that have high density need the

[5:11] traffic flow um to be faster uh as it is

[5:15] right now I think on eie state coule

[5:17] couple of

[5:18] areas obviously stay at the 15 M hour

[5:22] speed limit in the um school zones but

[5:25] um because I the research is just as you

[5:28] said I mean there's you know whether

[5:30] it's the Federal Highway whether it's

[5:32] the Insurance Institute um you know

[5:35] there's another Federal uh body as well

[5:37] all of them cite that the bottom line is

[5:40] that it definitely um prevents accidents

[5:43] um and certainly is uh increases

[5:45] pedestrian safety um and I think as we

[5:49] continue moving towards trying to be a

[5:51] more bikable and walkable city um that

[5:54] reducing the speed limit would be and on

[5:57] top of doing other things like stock

[5:59] signs in different areas and and and

[6:02] other types of traffic cing measures but

[6:04] so we did talk about that today as well

[6:06] and I just want to address the the

[6:08] reason that this has been so complex is

[6:10] that the state came out and they said if

[6:12] you want to Red reduce it here are your

[6:15] metrics um and so we're really not

[6:17] talking about the local roads the local

[6:19] roads are the local roads um which are

[6:22] typically you know any road other than

[6:24] Union not Eastern all but um what we

[6:28] really want to do is is when we we go

[6:30] forward have the evidence one of the

[6:32] things that I was I was surprised with

[6:33] Albany was they did it via a density

[6:35] survey more or less and they did have

[6:37] some information but it

[6:40] was it was wider spread than I would

[6:42] have thought larger portions of Central

[6:44] Avenue larger portions of Washington

[6:46] Avenue areas that I personally was not

[6:49] looking at you know not to say with uh

[6:51] regards to Kings Road which we all have

[6:53] been talking about um that street under

[6:56] these new guidelines may be more

[6:58] eligible than what we did we did a

[7:00] complete traffic study and they came

[7:02] back with a different metric that said

[7:04] given the character of the street and

[7:05] they looked at a different metric and I

[7:07] want to make sure if we're looking at

[7:09] the city holistically like that that

[7:11] we're all on the same page as a region

[7:13] which is why I really like the no

[7:15] stepping in and helping out with this

[7:17] because we don't only want it to be good

[7:19] for pedestrian safety but we also want

[7:20] to make sure that when we do enforcement

[7:23] it is extremely enforceable we do not

[7:26] want someone coming back and saying

[7:28] you're engineering judgment on this role

[7:29] this should never have been 25 and

[7:31] coming back at us and going down that

[7:33] road um you know there are Saratoga Troy

[7:37] they're also in this study for the Safe

[7:38] Streets for all so I think it will give

[7:40] us more of a base to hang our hats on to

[7:44] say listen you know this was the

[7:45] regional study that we looked at and

[7:47] this is where we're going um because

[7:49] like I said we were looking at road by

[7:50] road and pulling data from our Smart

[7:52] City cameras because that's how

[7:54] seriously we were taking it and we were

[7:56] getting a recommendation so right now

[7:58] our recommendation was okay Kings Road

[8:00] we did not have the information at the

[8:01] time to say because we were pulling it

[8:03] and we said Rugby Road we do so right

[8:06] now and that that kind of a process

[8:08] would take too long looking at the city

[8:10] from this holistic view so I'd like to

[8:12] keep going with the no to get it done

[8:15] and then just come to you with the which

[8:17] they had which was a GIS map I don't

[8:19] know if you saw that colorcoded with

[8:21] what streets they were going down and

[8:23] looking at it um and and I will put a

[8:26] you know I will talk with them and try

[8:28] to get a time frame on it to try to push

[8:30] it forward but I really don't want to

[8:32] just come and say 25 Citywide I I really

[8:36] would prefer not to do that because I

[8:38] think it puts a lot on on me personally

[8:41] to sign off on something like that and

[8:44] may may I also I just want to add that

[8:46] um and I don't I can't speak from my

[8:48] colleagues but I've certainly been

[8:49] getting emails um um whether it's people

[8:52] in the stock people in the GE flot I

[8:54] mean it's not just Kings Road uh that

[8:57] we're hearing from I mean we're hearing

[8:58] from at least I'm hearing from people in

[9:00] many different neighborhoods of the city

[9:02] that support 100% somebody today told me

[9:05] they supported 143% U moving forward

[9:08] with trying to reduce the speed limit so

[9:10] it is something that our residents are

[9:12] um at least uh speaking with me about uh

[9:15] very very and the other thing I don't

[9:17] want to I don't want to forget this kind

[9:18] of important fact um is the other reason

[9:21] that we pushed it off that you and I

[9:23] talked about was the financial impact of

[9:25] this and that we wanted to make sure

[9:27] that we got it done during this budget

[9:30] cycle so I don't think we should hold

[9:33] off on that we do know that it's going

[9:35] to be an impact on signs I did talk to

[9:37] Brian Cannon's uh let's say doppelganger

[9:41] over in Albany and they will be putting

[9:42] out a contract they're removing 200

[9:45] signs they are putting up new signs I

[9:47] think they're doing that with contract

[9:48] work so it's it's not insignificant so I

[9:51] think that was one of the things we had

[9:53] talked about was that if we did go to 25

[9:55] M hour even if we passed it with

[9:57] legislation putting the signs up and

[9:59] changing the physical nature of the city

[10:01] would take a while I I do want to add on

[10:04] that note that again my understanding is

[10:07] and you guys are the experts but that um

[10:10] again if it was Citywide with exemptions

[10:13] in certain streets that you wouldn't

[10:15] necessarily need 200 signs you'd need

[10:17] the signs at the entrance points of the

[10:19] city as they are now where it says 30 m

[10:22] hour and those would get changed to 25

[10:25] mil hour and then there'd be additional

[10:27] signage based on um

[10:29] those streets that were going to be

[10:31] either higher than 25 miles hour or that

[10:35] were obviously the school district I

[10:37] always point you School District um

[10:40] remain at 15 miles hour and and that is

[10:44] correct but there are some signs we even

[10:46] have signs I know Brian was looking into

[10:47] it that say 35 miles hour so we wanted

[10:50] to make sure we know where where those

[10:51] signs were in some other areas I'm also

[10:54] uh you know I want to talk with the

[10:55] state about uie Boulevard because that's

[10:57] one of the areas where yie Boulevard the

[10:59] Gateway into the city north of the

[11:01] roundabout that's one of our highest

[11:03] speed we don't own that road I was going

[11:05] to talk with them about if we could

[11:06] reduce that coming into the city and see

[11:08] what their appetite for that would be as

[11:10] it's 40 um

[11:13] but there's a lot to do with this and I

[11:15] have not been putting my full attention

[11:17] on it I apologize for that um I was kind

[11:19] of hanging my head on moving forward

[11:21] slower getting the budget lines together

[11:24] getting Brian up to speed and uh like I

[11:26] said with the the no being here now will

[11:29] push it but I don't have any any magic

[11:32] answers for it right now so right now

[11:34] you don't know what the timeline will be

[11:37] she has the Grant and they're working on

[11:38] it they have the consultant already on

[11:40] board but I don't have a timeline but we

[11:41] just met with her today and she was

[11:43] enthusiastic about it and I can get a

[11:45] timeline what do what does NP stand for

[11:47] again our uh Metropolitan planning

[11:50] organization so that is our that is the

[11:52] C it used to be called the Capital

[11:53] District transportation committee now

[11:55] they're the capital region

[11:56] Transportation Council um so they handle

[12:00] all of the major transportation planning

[12:02] in the area um I've worked with them on

[12:04] our ada8 transition plan they're the

[12:06] ones that we go through for all of our

[12:07] federal projects you know I really try

[12:09] to lean on them because they are a

[12:12] resource that I don't have in my office

[12:14] and they do have staff that are you know

[12:16] educated engineers and planners to help

[12:18] with these kind of things so so I I just

[12:21] want to ask you mentioned Kings Road rby

[12:23] and then Dwayne Avenue I know that

[12:25] we got had speed humps like for for one

[12:30] I don't know how many weeks a very short

[12:31] time and supposedly what was supposed to

[12:33] come out of that was that they was in a

[12:34] study feedback and then they were moved

[12:36] to another location and we haven't heard

[12:39] anything about that so I'm not asking

[12:40] right here right now but if we could

[12:43] include that and and also the

[12:45] possibility of having those in the city

[12:47] because people are asking about that I

[12:49] they think that that's I can come back

[12:50] with that that would be easier for me to

[12:52] so we do have some information on that

[12:54] and we did do a study for that one and I

[12:56] don't know if we regrouped internally

[12:58] but

[12:59] that that was a successful project and

[13:01] that's something that we are looking

[13:05] to Mr TR oh I'm sorry I'm sorry I'm

[13:08] sorry Mr mud next I was going to ask the

[13:11] same question in terms of the timeline

[13:12] so you as you mentioned just that we

[13:14] have a grant and you're looking forward

[13:16] for us to move forward with that Grant

[13:18] the the transportation has the grant

[13:22] it's a Federal grant for Safe Streets

[13:24] and they're looking to take that they

[13:26] have a consultant and they're looking to

[13:27] do more of a a regional approach to uh

[13:29] lowering people so is that cing us

[13:31] anything no no now in terms of um do

[13:35] Avenue and R was any study done on those

[13:39] two streets yes yes yes I have studies

[13:42] on

[13:43] both because I remember that you present

[13:46] with uh Kings Road only I we did present

[13:49] King's Road and we we have done I have

[13:51] not I don't know if I've ever presented

[13:52] for Dwayne and no I did not okay rby I

[13:56] think we might have had Mr

[14:00] um both with rugby and 99% sure I have

[14:04] it but uh John provided Fred with data

[14:07] off of our Optical sensors and he was

[14:09] able to put together a report that the

[14:11] speed on Rugby was lower than the speed

[14:14] on Kings and US easier to reduce to 25

[14:17] mil hour and that's what I'm getting at

[14:19] is that we were going with this approach

[14:21] which was a longer approach and now

[14:23] we're going to look at it in a different

[14:25] approach and that's my AP because I was

[14:26] taking this on a street by Street you

[14:28] never going to get done it's like Paving

[14:30] the roads so now we're going to use a

[14:32] different way the consultant that we're

[14:33] working with they're using not only

[14:35] they're going to use our Optical sensor

[14:36] data they use Google data off phones

[14:38] track they have you know a little bit

[14:40] bigger of a network and I think that's

[14:42] how we're we're going to approach it and

[14:43] then we'll have

[14:45] one uniformed approach of the whole area

[14:47] so when we go forward it'll be the same

[14:48] as Troy it'll be the same as Saratoga I

[14:50] think some of the other towns are using

[14:52] it and uh and that'll kind of I hope

[14:55] protect all of us a little bit more when

[14:57] we Gove forward but I can get you the

[14:58] information for Dwayne and rugby yeah if you can provide that the other

[15:04] followup question in terms of um it's

[15:07] good that we are moving towards this

[15:10] reduction but at the same time can you

[15:12] incorporate the enforcement into this

[15:15] study because if we're going to reduce

[15:18] it then how do we enforce it because if

[15:20] we don't enforce it it's going to be the

[15:22] same thing well I mean Brian you could

[15:25] talk to that a little more if you want

[15:26] to but we have purchased more you know

[15:28] radar back cameras things like that we

[15:30] are working together more on on active

[15:34] enforcement can we

[15:36] ask us a summ you want to talk to the

[15:40] enforcement end of

[15:44] it police I'm not

[15:47] police we have to I'm sorry you have to

[15:50] it's for the

[15:54] public okay yeah enforcement is built in

[15:57] no matter what the speeding is so so

[15:59] changing the speed limit does present

[16:00] new challenges for us because we have to

[16:04] consider that since the signs are

[16:05] changed we have to give people time to

[16:06] get accustomed to the new speed but

[16:09] we're enforcing the speed limit now when

[16:11] we change the speed limit if we change

[16:13] the speed limit that we'll be enforcing

[16:15] speed limit whatever the new speed limit

[16:17] is so well my question to that is do you

[16:20] have the resource to to enforce it and

[16:23] do would you need additional resource

[16:26] for

[16:27] enforcement I would say that it will be

[16:29] a little bit more intensive than normal

[16:31] because there will be an adjustment I

[16:33] would expect during that period there

[16:35] would probably be more advisements than

[16:37] normal but but we would still be

[16:40] conducting enforcement activities

[16:42] obviously resources would help us with

[16:44] that so so Mr you may want to consider

[16:47] that into the traffic

[16:49] study enforcement any resource that is

[16:52] needed well I work with police on on

[16:56] what we we need to do

[16:59] no Mr T is

[17:01] next

[17:05] um oh I'm totally in in support of um

[17:10] getting the grant getting the study

[17:13] especially because we don't want any

[17:15] repercussions from lawsuits and things

[17:17] so I I I respect that and work that

[17:19] you're doing on that um Mr W um I'm I'm

[17:23] interested in uh from Brian uh Canon so

[17:27] when we reduce

[17:29] uh the speed if it gets reduced how does

[17:31] that work f with signal control and all

[17:34] the lights that have to be rearranged in

[17:36] the city and stop and

[17:38] go know

[17:42] um

[17:48] change um sure so um you know when we

[17:51] reduce the speed I know that you know

[17:53] signal control has to have plates at

[17:55] different uh intervals throughout to

[17:58] make things move quickly so what would

[18:00] that entail on your part there will be

[18:02] an adjustment as far as making sure some

[18:04] of the timed lights fitting them into

[18:06] maybe this new system where obviously

[18:09] the traffic was going a little bit

[18:10] faster now we have to go and adjust that

[18:13] on a Case by casee basis depending on

[18:15] what we land on after you know we do all

[18:18] these studies and uh do the ultimate

[18:20] adjustment here and that's just

[18:22] something that we'll have to do um kind

[18:25] of just making sure we outline the right

[18:27] traffic signals and

[18:29] has and um the signage um you know what would in t you be able to do that

[18:37] in in house it is a major signage

[18:40] project if what we foresee comes to

[18:44] fruition but um with the gr money we

[18:47] should be able to make be able to get

[18:49] that done so the gr money no no we're

[18:52] going to have to budget for us Grand

[18:54] handles a study that's what we're

[18:56] talking about so that was so to to John

[18:59] to your point you're what we're doing

[19:01] now is that we're going to we're going

[19:03] to wrap our heads around in the next

[19:04] month the budget right we're going to

[19:06] find out what is going to cost us to do

[19:08] these changes if there's any enforcement

[19:10] things that need to be put into the

[19:12] budget there's any capital I don't think

[19:14] our inhouse Personnel are going to be

[19:16] able to tackle this uh at one time so

[19:19] that's what we're going to have to all

[19:20] work together on putting together some

[19:21] budget numbers either capital or

[19:23] operating and say for this year to make

[19:26] this transition this is what we're going

[19:27] to need to do

[19:30] but thatan that was we talk that was one

[19:32] of the main reasons that we didn't know

[19:33] what the impact was um the new mutcd

[19:36] that just came out um that's the manual

[19:39] uniform traffic control devices uh with

[19:42] signage you know they will it does have

[19:44] a sign in the new one that will allow it

[19:45] says um 25 mil hour unless otherwise

[19:49] indicated so that's the sign that you

[19:51] were talking about putting at the

[19:52] entrances so then we would put 30 m hour

[19:55] signs where they would be um but once

[19:59] again is that looking at what the city

[20:00] of Aly has done we may be able

[20:04] to have more in that lower speed which I

[20:07] did not think was possible know CU roads

[20:11] are classified arterial collectors all

[20:15] like and I didn't think that maybe we

[20:16] would be able eligible to reduce those

[20:18] and it looks like we may be eligible to

[20:20] do that which would which would be great

[20:22] something that we talked about you know

[20:24] if State Street were to actually go down

[20:26] we're looking at you know classifying

[20:28] State Street from Brandy Wine Avenue to

[20:30] downtown it's very heavy compared to

[20:33] some other areas on State Street so

[20:35] really looking at it um you know that's

[20:37] what the density St you look at whereas

[20:39] right now if you seen in the we're P do

[20:41] a Max and Road Extension Max Road

[20:43] Extension is it's a Gateway into the

[20:45] city but it is really not a high density

[20:49] area so those are areas it's a different

[20:52] way of looking at it and that's that's

[20:54] where like I said the first time we're

[20:55] looking at it so micro this is so much

[20:57] big um and that's what in Brian you know

[21:00] being new what he has John still as a

[21:02] resource kind of wrap his head around

[21:04] what the impact that his Department's

[21:05] going to

[21:06] be we will we will cross the finish line

[21:09] with this it's just just have to get

[21:11] little

[21:14] BK so yeah first I want to say thank you

[21:16] for you know kind of looking outside of the city and trying to leverage

[21:20] existing resources in neighor

[21:22] communities I think that's a really

[21:23] great um tactic and I I I appreciate

[21:27] your due Dil there so my question is and

[21:30] I think that a lot of the members of the

[21:33] council we are hearing things this has

[21:35] been something that we've been talking

[21:36] about um but it seems like if I'm

[21:38] understanding this correctly kind of

[21:40] this this new shift and kind of our

[21:42] approach you know might get us more

[21:45] impact for when when we start to run

[21:48] things out in other words it doesn't

[21:49] seem like even though we kind of going

[21:51] um One Direction now using um this

[21:55] resource that uh has won this GR and and

[21:59] us partners with them will allow us to

[22:00] do things in a larger impact which is

[22:02] really good I guess my question is if we

[22:06] have those speed humps right

[22:09] now would it be wise for us to try to

[22:12] deploy those in time as we're trying to

[22:15] figure out things and doing the studies

[22:17] would we be able to deploy those those

[22:19] speed humps as a deterrent um to kind of

[22:21] at

[22:22] least less than the likelihood or or

[22:26] going to produce some results for the

[22:27] public

[22:29] talking to us about

[22:30] this you talk about the two temporary

[22:32] speed HS we only have two we two have

[22:37] two we have we have two they were on

[22:39] Dwayne Avenue and we do have them at

[22:41] Foster Avenue right

[22:45] now so we we could deploy those

[22:47] somewhere if there was a if there was a

[22:49] location the Dwayne was a really great

[22:51] location for because of the uh character

[22:54] of the street straight long wide

[22:56] proximity to a school zone and it really

[22:59] gave us a a good a good area to test

[23:02] that at and it was successful and I

[23:04] believe um at least I'm talking with

[23:06] Marvin you know she really says the

[23:08] community wants them back um and it's

[23:10] something that we wanted to talk with

[23:11] ogs about I haven't had that talk about

[23:14] starting uh once we once they think that

[23:16] they are successful if we want to make

[23:18] them permanent features of the city uh

[23:20] and that's something also that Albany

[23:21] has done with a a large investment into

[23:24] speed speed pumps in Harbor

[23:27] build um I think when we're thinking

[23:29] about the budget and and the studies

[23:31] that you're all talking about um I mean

[23:34] hopefully we'll also be looking at where

[23:36] we might need more stop signs also right

[23:39] would be part of this I think um I know

[23:42] but I'm just saying from everything stop

[23:44] signs are are I know that they're

[23:46] regulated by the do I I mean believe me

[23:49] we've been talking about this since

[23:50] August of 2022 so and I you know so

[23:54] we've done a lot of research and and a

[23:55] lot of reading on this um uh the other

[23:58] thing I wanted to say was that Mr PA

[24:01] many had also mentioned the cameras on

[24:04] uh the stock lights uh the traff lights

[24:07] um and I don't know if we ever um got

[24:10] them in got them in um I mean again that

[24:13] would be sort of this what he was

[24:14] talking about at that time which I also

[24:17] support is the idea that um you know it

[24:21] would automatically ticket um people

[24:24] that were going through uh red lights

[24:26] for example do we do that now so um to

[24:30] have red light cameras uh requires an

[24:33] active State Legislature which we did

[24:35] not pursue or we did pursue we did it's

[24:38] not we did get it okay so we because I

[24:41] know ALB has it and al2 ALB just

[24:44] employed cameras for school zones as

[24:47] well so Albany is looking to do cameras

[24:50] for both we can check into it but I

[24:56] thought I thought we had the the home

[24:59] rul yes we did this year so we're

[25:02] allowed to install

[25:04] them I want to ver I can check I'll pass

[25:08] I'll the only municipality I know where

[25:09] that I thought was I know that we

[25:11] submitted and asked for home rule on

[25:12] that and I'm pretty sure

[25:16] my so that's homework

[25:20] I if that's something too that we were

[25:22] look into that is also uh budgetary that would be a large um budget number

[25:29] is that is a essentially a service um

[25:33] that that comes with it you know You'

[25:34] have to do an RFP select a vendor that

[25:37] is a that would be a large undertaking

[25:40] but it Aly has found it successful and

[25:42] that's why they're doing it with school

[25:44] zones you did you

[25:47] have is there something I don't believe

[25:49] the home rule legislation pass the

[25:52] theory is changing on uh speeding where

[25:57] the standard used to be

[25:58] 85 percentile of the

[26:01] drivers what they felt was a comfortable

[26:05] speed so you'd set it at 55 you set it

[26:08] at 30 you set it at a lower amount the

[26:11] theory now is Shifting because of the

[26:13] number of auto accidents uh

[26:16] pedestrian uh

[26:19] accidents safety is taking a higher

[26:22] priority and that seems to be the theory

[26:25] which didn't seem to be available before

[26:27] wasn't accepted

[26:28] is what Aly did and so you can go

[26:32] through and look at these areas where

[26:35] the utilization is higher with

[26:36] pedestrian traffic bike traffic other

[26:38] things and take that into account

[26:42] for your determination of the speed then

[26:46] of course enforcement and education is a

[26:49] big component of that no matter what we

[26:51] put up there you got to get people to

[26:52] comply with

[26:54] it thank you go ahead p and I guess that

[26:57] is um I I I want to add to that that um

[27:01] I understand that there's going to be a

[27:02] budgetary cost um to this but I I do

[27:05] think that um the bottom line is that I

[27:07] do think it will save lives um and

[27:10] reduce um crashes so um in that sense um

[27:15] you know I think we need to really

[27:18] seriously consider this even with the

[27:20] additional cost that

[27:23] it well we're definitely going to have

[27:25] to look into to what the impacts to be

[27:27] financially but you know we can't put a

[27:29] dollar on on people's lives on people's

[27:31] safety you know to put a human face on

[27:33] this we I know about the woman who was

[27:36] injured had a traumatic bra injury

[27:38] because of the accent believe was on

[27:40] Boulevard um and so you know she's

[27:42] written to us and um just talked about

[27:45] how it's impact her life we and all of

[27:47] you have the information here from Mr

[27:49] Collins on uh on um King's Road and and

[27:53] the impact that has had on him and his

[27:55] family financially so you know we know

[27:58] it's going to cost some money but it's

[28:00] definitely something that we need to do

[28:01] in and to make sure that our our

[28:04] citizens are safe and just to say this

[28:05] gone back more than two years because we

[28:07] were talking about speed humps long

[28:09] before they ever got there so it's been

[28:11] quite a while that speeding's been an

[28:13] issue in our city and we've been trying

[28:15] to figure out ways to um you know to

[28:18] resolve it and to get people to comply

[28:20] and to have enforcement and change the mindset actually around speeding so

[28:26] um I'm sorry Mr ch

[28:29] um Mr Mar how will this affect um uh

[28:33] electric bikes scooters electric motors

[28:35] that are flying around the city on the

[28:37] sidewalks on the street most of them can

[28:39] do between 30 and 50 m an hour I know we

[28:42] just got some new bikes um and I was

[28:45] told that they can can go up to uh 50 m

[28:48] an hour so what happens there again

[28:51] would be enforcement maybe

[28:54] or yeah yeah yeah

[28:58] I mean anything that can travel that

[29:00] fast that isn't you know powered by

[29:02] pedaling alone would be considered a

[29:04] motor vehicle whether it's electric or

[29:06] not so it would be subject to all

[29:08] vehicle and traffic laws

[29:10] that

[29:12] the

[29:14] that that is also something that we just

[29:16] talked about today uh called Turn Down

[29:19] micr mobility and the impact that that's

[29:22] having on

[29:26] everything Mr topic of speed PP um we

[29:29] had allocated

[29:30] $20,000 did we utilize all that funding

[29:33] we have we have around 65

[29:37] left we bought two and we didn't have

[29:39] enough yeah they're pretty

[29:41] expensive I can look into it but yes we

[29:43] did we did use we did use uh more than

[29:46] half the money for the two their speed

[29:48] tables are a little bit larger um than

[29:50] the speed hump but we do have the Stu

[29:58] I know Miss Patrick that you your your

[30:01] goal tonight was to try get this move

[30:03] through but it doesn't sound like

[30:04] something that we could move forward on

[30:06] tonight sounds like we're going to have um this study um so again

[30:10] there's no timeline yet though no I I

[30:12] will get the timeline and I will come

[30:14] back with the other two study reports

[30:16] that we have next time talk about that

[30:19] and follow up with the speed hump data

[30:21] after I talk with uh ogs and uh SPD a

[30:24] little bit more about you know if there

[30:29] there's what I said before which is the

[30:32] issue is that this is a very large topic

[30:35] and once we start down the road it's

[30:37] going to get harder so what it is is how

[30:41] did we select Dwayne Avenue we used

[30:43] engineering judgment to select Dwayne

[30:45] Avenue we put the temporary on Dwayne

[30:47] Avenue and we did a study on Dwayne

[30:49] Avenue but now that that recommendation

[30:53] then is that yes it was effective and

[30:55] yes we can put permanent then what is

[30:58] preventing everyone in the city from

[31:02] asking for Speed HS and we just can't

[31:07] have a speed hump on every residential

[31:09] Road in the city so that's where we have

[31:12] to get back and follow city of

[31:14] Rochester's guidelines and start looking

[31:16] at guidelines of our own which require

[31:19] petitions similar to our sidewalk

[31:21] assessment which require action because

[31:24] we have to put some roadblocks up to how

[31:28] we are deciding where to put speed HPS

[31:31] and barriers and investing in this

[31:33] because it it if we don't we're just

[31:36] opening it up to I think I want and I

[31:39] really don't want to go down something

[31:40] where we have that um so that's that's

[31:44] part of the reason of

[31:45] dragging

[31:49] that's

[31:51] so I think it's a positive step forward

[31:53] what you're doing sitting on this for a

[31:56] long time and at this going I ask you

[31:58] know our residents just please to be

[32:00] patient until this comes through and I

[32:02] think it'd be beneficial to the entire

[32:04] city I do I know it's been a long

[32:08] time this is definitely moving forward

[32:11] we're getting closer there you go we're

[32:14] getting closer to the end of something I

[32:17] don't know if people are going to like

[32:18] where the end goes that's why I'm trying

[32:20] to you know I'm trying to PA you know we you know 25 mph hopefully is where

[32:25] everybody wants 25 mil hour We're

[32:26] putting speed HPS for both people want

[32:28] them or not want them it's just this is

[32:31] a larger conversation I just don't want

[32:34] it to happen spaic I have not gotten

[32:37] anything ever really in writing or a

[32:39] petition yet for a speed hun you just

[32:41] did it engineering this was a good

[32:43] location to see if it was effective if

[32:45] it is effective then we have to come up

[32:46] with some kind of guideline to how we

[32:48] start implementing and that's what we

[32:50] have to work on and that's going to take

[32:52] time to put together so I know we

[32:54] haven't gotten a petition but we've

[32:55] certainly got a lot of f yeah that's so

[32:57] are going to have to I I get request all

[33:00] that yeah but I'm talking about the

[33:01] council okay coming to the council that

[33:03] we had like certain areas said here here so we have gotten request so that

[33:08] my point is there's the place we can

[33:09] start if they're going to be you know

[33:11] looking at petition I get that can't to

[33:13] everything but you

[33:15] know if you want we could I guess I

[33:18] don't think so but but then the other

[33:20] part of this is wait one second the

[33:23] other thing is that we um there were

[33:26] accidents and Mr talked about this one

[33:28] of the ways that he was determining this

[33:30] was where there were accidents and that

[33:33] was part of it as well so those are

[33:36] determining factors from based on he

[33:38] what he told

[33:40] us M Patrick yeah I I guess I want to

[33:43] say um that I I mean I feel residents

[33:46] haven't actually been patient I think

[33:48] that maybe they've been patient but

[33:49] they're not patient any longer um I

[33:51] think it is um definitely the number one

[33:55] thing I hear about um several times a

[33:57] week

[33:58] and um you know it really has gone on

[34:01] and I'm not I'm not criticizing you guys

[34:04] um but it has gone on now for you know a

[34:07] long time um and um I I just feel like

[34:11] it's one of those things that this

[34:12] Council has to make a decision and take

[34:15] some action on um because we've been

[34:17] talking about studies and we've had

[34:19] studies and I mean we have Federal data

[34:23] um we're seeing what's happening in in

[34:25] other places but it's FR I guess I'm

[34:28] expressing my frustration right now as

[34:31] well which I think is um because I'm

[34:34] hearing the frustration of so many

[34:35] residents um as well so um I

[34:40] mean I I I guess I'm getting at the end

[34:43] of um coming up with Solutions um here I

[34:47] think we have a solution it's just a

[34:49] matter of being able to implement Mr

[34:51] yeah that's I was going to addressing I

[34:52] think we need to give Mr Wen the

[34:53] opportunity to do the traffic study and

[34:55] come back to us with a comprehensive

[34:57] plan yes we had traffic study but it was

[34:59] on Kings Road only I I don't recall that

[35:02] we had any traffic study across the city

[35:05] or paral um City you know Citywide or

[35:08] things like that so there was only one

[35:10] study that was done on Kings Road so we

[35:13] just need to give him the opportunity

[35:14] come back to us and I think we're going

[35:16] to move forward with the recommendation

[35:19] that coming from his

[35:21] office Mr so I was just say

[35:25] I Patrick I share the

[35:29] to F this frustration but you know

[35:31] definitely want to um get get some

[35:35] movement out of this I feel like you

[35:37] know we have been talked about it for a

[35:39] while and some things are problems are

[35:41] that complicated that we have to do

[35:43] diligence I'm all for that I just want

[35:45] ear I heard you say that we had only two

[35:47] speed hunts and then you said something

[35:49] about speed tables that we did at those

[35:52] they're the same we have two speed T

[35:54] okay okay okay I again what what I'm

[35:56] trying to accomplish here is to say like

[35:59] you know it seems like there that

[36:01] there's going to be some time before we

[36:03] can implement this fully so what are the

[36:05] more graduated measures that we can take

[36:08] in the meantime so that's what kind of

[36:10] I'm

[36:10] open up to anyone to kind of say like oh

[36:13] you know as we do the study these are

[36:15] some of the things we could do to kind

[36:16] of meet the needs of residents in

[36:18] between tun time and if there are

[36:19] something like that then I really to

[36:21] hear them and if they're not in between

[36:23] now and the time that you come back

[36:24] maybe that's something that we all start

[36:25] to kind of collect

[36:28] I'm sorry one more comment because I do

[36:31] think that um we've seen data um that

[36:33] was presented to us um actually in our

[36:36] neighborhood um on the Plaza um in

[36:39] streets sort of above

[36:42] yours from Mr fucho we we heard about um

[36:45] the volume of accidents I I want to say

[36:48] like the plaza and you know Regent or

[36:51] Dean um we've also um seen the data on

[36:55] uh Rugby Road um um and I think we might

[36:58] have seen some data on Brandy Wine as

[37:00] well this is just over the last few

[37:02] years but um I think the other piece of

[37:05] it is that there are the there is the

[37:07] ability to just pull the data on um a week for example and I would

[37:13] thank Mr Collins for sharing this with

[37:16] me I think last week um but you know we

[37:18] can pull speeding data for a week in a

[37:20] certain area and see even at what times

[37:24] what what the speeds are that cars are

[37:26] going so I I guess we don't have to do

[37:29] like major study I mean we can just pull

[37:32] data that we already have um I don't

[37:35] know if it comes from the police

[37:36] department or if it comes from um our

[37:39] signal we sign boards that have the

[37:41] ability to do that um so I understand

[37:44] what you're saying however Mr Mr um W is

[37:48] talking about something more

[37:49] comprehensive so I I don't know if we

[37:51] peil it or we just let that this

[37:53] comprehensive thing happen and then we

[37:55] get this done I won't say once for all

[37:57] because things change but get this done

[38:00] in the most effective way to be able to

[38:02] implement

[38:04] it so Mr Farley during the whole process

[38:07] is going to take some time to get the

[38:09] traffic study in place can we consider

[38:12] buying some more speed home and to help

[38:15] with certain location across the the

[38:18] city to help reduce the

[38:20] speed is that something you willing to

[38:24] inter I will buy as many speed tables as

[38:27] you would like the issue is I do not

[38:30] install the speed tables I do not remove

[38:32] the speed tables so it is a labor we do

[38:36] have some issues sometimes when it comes

[38:37] to that so if we would like to buy a

[38:41] dozen speed tables and put them

[38:42] throughout the city I'm not putting them

[38:45] in I'm perfectly fine I'm just saying

[38:48] they are it is a process to put them in

[38:51] uh we do like to try to leave them in

[38:52] for a little bit of time because um

[38:55] they're they are you know it's it's a

[38:56] big jigsa so we can do it um and and if

[39:00] we had some solid locations that we like

[39:02] to put them in that's that's fine I mean

[39:04] that's why we have City staff so well I

[39:06] guess that's my my side of it is we can put them in wherever we're

[39:11] requested it's just it is labor

[39:14] intensive and there's a cost there is a

[39:17] cost need time for ordering I can find

[39:21] that uh um I I don't think it's too

[39:24] absorbent because they're they modular

[39:28] sections and you make the section as big

[39:29] or small as you want so I can talk with

[39:32] them about getting some more um we did

[39:34] talk about putting some on Rugby um we

[39:37] did talk about putting some on Kings um

[39:39] I hadn't heard of the plaza but that I

[39:41] can understand up there by the plaza

[39:43] there's a kind of a curve and there

[39:45] there's an area there that I believe has

[39:46] some issues so we can look at things

[39:48] like

[39:49] that but once again that just how they

[39:52] go in is that's kind of my my little is

[39:56] how how pick so that it's not just the

[40:00] table coming to me and saying I think we

[40:02] should put them

[40:03] there we can uh we can consider that and

[40:06] just to add in terms of the traffic

[40:08] study Mr May our Smart City camera would

[40:11] that be helpful in terms of this study

[40:14] that we pull out out from the Smart City

[40:16] camera yes that's the information you

[40:18] got that's where we're getting that from

[40:20] it's far more detailed and what's

[40:22] available on

[40:23] the

[40:26] speed so we are getting a lot of data

[40:28] from that yes okay that's where we got

[40:30] the data for for kings and rugby and

[40:34] yes so um so if we let's say we order

[40:38] whatever number the number of speed

[40:40] tables um what would you recommendation

[40:43] me in terms of how determining along

[40:46] with an that inash information would you

[40:49] have a recommendation in terms of

[40:57] could I put something together of course

[40:59] yeah I have some ideas of my head based

[41:01] off of just everything you said working

[41:03] with with SPD Brian Bri just just kind

[41:07] of got through a while ago but yes we

[41:08] could find locations that we think they

[41:10] would be

[41:12] advantageous as I said we Dwayne Avenue

[41:14] was a great one Rugby Road was a very

[41:16] good one put there are locations to put

[41:19] them and there are locations to to

[41:22] not and and so so if we're talking how

[41:25] long would you be able to come back and

[41:26] say these plac and are how

[41:34] many a couple of Cycles because next

[41:37] time I'm already coming back with

[41:38] something so then we can maybe make a

[41:40] little weekly Ted talk about traffic and

[41:43] safety okay listen I don't think it's a

[41:45] bad thing to know that people move and take consideration what's going on

[41:49] so I'm saying that thank you in two

[41:52] seconds and I wasn't suggesting that we

[41:54] needed it on the Plaza that was just Mr

[41:57] Lucho had made that was one of the

[41:58] studies that he had presented to us

[42:01] um I I don't remember when I mean in the

[42:03] last couple years but um I wasn't saying

[42:07] we have to do it there I'm open to

[42:09] whatever you all find in terms of the

[42:12] data and not to be cynical but that's

[42:17] just my nature a lot of times is that

[42:20] reducing it is a number so just mentally

[42:23] be prepared for reducing it to 25 not

[42:27] curing the city's ills absolutely okay

[42:30] because it's to me it sounds like we're

[42:34] really wishing here a lot that 25 is

[42:36] going to do a lot for everyone I well I

[42:39] don't think it's any magic thing go

[42:40] ahead and well no but I mean I guess I

[42:42] could say that there cities across the

[42:44] country and across the state that have

[42:46] been lowering it to 25 and we have

[42:48] research studies that are showing what

[42:51] going to 25 does do so it wasn't a

[42:54] random number that we picked and I also

[42:56] want to say that before I started any of

[42:58] these conversations uh a couple years

[43:00] ago I did talk with Chief Clifford who

[43:02] did think that um you know obviously

[43:06] exactly as you said I mean the

[43:07] enforcement is going to stay the same so

[43:10] um I mean probably people will go 30 um

[43:13] if we lower the speed limit to 25 um so

[43:17] you know there's a there's a range

[43:19] of think about your own driving habits

[43:21] but I mean there's a range of of speeds

[43:24] that people will go so even you know if

[43:26] we lower it it's going to increase

[43:28] safety because even if they're going

[43:31] above 25 hopefully they won't be going

[43:33] above 30 which is what they're doing now

[43:35] so um right I mean does that make sense

[43:39] certainly yeah there's a range of

[43:40] compliance and lowering it lowers that

[43:50] range so so Council um am I here are we

[43:55] saying that we are in favor of ordering

[43:57] some speed humps some addition speed

[44:01] tables is that what you're saying

[44:02] because that's I'm I'm suggesting that

[44:04] that's what be I'm suggesting that's an

[44:06] actionable step that we can take in the

[44:09] meantime because I think to Mr W's Point

[44:12] reducing the speed liment is not a cure

[44:14] all it's probably going to take multi

[44:16] different you know multi approach to get

[44:18] people to be in compliance and that

[44:20] seems like one of them so that seems

[44:21] like that's something that's within our

[44:23] capability and possibilities to doing so

[44:25] is that something that we should

[44:27] entertaining doing as soon as possible

[44:30] as we do these other things that's what

[44:32] I'm

[44:33] suggesting that's that's what I was

[44:35] suggesting that we look at that in the

[44:37] meantime we're completing the study but

[44:39] at the same time we're not dropping the

[44:40] ball we're going ahead look at the cost

[44:43] and look how much we can buy and put it

[44:46] out um into the hot spot throughout the

[44:49] city and at the same time we moving

[44:50] forward with the speed U reduction and

[44:53] also the enforcement and yes so what Mr

[44:56] W is saying you would be able to

[44:57] identify places also tell us how many

[45:00] would be needed and then we would also

[45:02] have to see what the budgetary impact is

[45:04] and where it comes where we pay we how

[45:06] we pay for as the budget so that's what

[45:09] he saying he'll come back in four weeks

[45:14] with do you have a question

[45:18] Mr all right so all of you also um

[45:22] received the uh the print of emails from

[45:25] Mr um Mr Colin did you have any

[45:27] questions from

[45:31] that all right so we we have a t talk

[45:34] next we T talk two weeks

[45:39] talk thank

[45:48] you something down all right all right

[45:52] this is government operations this point

[45:54] I like to call government operations

[45:55] order we have two

[45:57] items on the agenda the

[45:59] first changes to the Charter C6 through

[46:03] 8 change operating budget deadline and

[46:05] Mr

[46:06] Mayor thank you Mr chairman I submitted

[46:10] the proposed scenario and legislation to

[46:14] the

[46:15] council up to the

[46:18] council comments or discussion around

[46:21] that well um as I said the when we first

[46:26] received the legislation the request was

[46:29] that if the council did not pass the

[46:31] budget in a timely manner then the

[46:34] automatically revert to the mayor's

[46:36] budget which um I'm not supportive of I

[46:40] would be supportive of

[46:42] um reverting to Prior year spending and

[46:46] making amendments as we need to because

[46:49] part of what the council's

[46:51] responsibility is to make sure that we

[46:53] that we're passing a budget and we have

[46:56] some input in into what that budget

[46:58] looks like and given if we just say well

[47:02] if we don't pass it then automatic

[47:03] becomes the mayor's budget then we have

[47:05] no input in that budget uh so Mr O'Brien

[47:09] said in order to do this we have to

[47:13] um this has to be a referendum that's

[47:16] correct and there's a timelines now just

[47:18] I so could you go through the timeline

[47:20] yes what I'm going to do is go through

[47:22] the timeline um if you were to

[47:27] the timeline is uh to September 5th is a

[47:30] that's the

[47:32] deadline the public hearing uh for the

[47:35] city council pursu the municipal home rule law is optional but

[47:41] the mayor has to have a public hearing

[47:43] uh with 5 days

[47:45] notice

[47:47] so um looking at the council and

[47:51] committee schedule going through August

[47:54] and because of the schedule there's a

[47:56] week

[47:57] lost here um you could have a resolution

[48:01] calling for a public hearing on August

[48:03] 12th on the

[48:05] proposed on the proposed uh Charter

[48:09] amendment in between that on the August

[48:12] 5th you do have another committee cycle

[48:16] so if there's any amendments that you

[48:17] wish to propose at that time we can post

[48:20] it up if it's noted at the committee

[48:22] then it's it could be posted up uh at

[48:26] the public

[48:27] hearing for the

[48:30] 12th and then your next committee cycle

[48:32] is the 19th and then your final your

[48:35] final uh committee or council meeting

[48:38] for August is the 26th and that's really

[48:41] the last time that you could uh uh take

[48:45] action on this the reason being is that 26 their last council meeting at

[48:50] the end of the month the reason being is

[48:53] that the mayor has to have a public

[48:55] hearing that's mandatory of on Rural law

[48:58] and he has to get 5 days notice and that

[49:00] 5 days notice we get you to September we

[49:03] get you to September 3rd the Tuesday and

[49:06] then he would have the public hearing he

[49:08] could act on it that day fourth is a

[49:11] Tuesday to get the action of the

[49:12] paperwork together and the fifth is

[49:15] really the deadline to get it to the uh Board of Elections so that's the 26th

[49:21] is is the date in which you would have

[49:23] to

[49:25] uh pass the uh Charter Amendment if you

[49:28] wish to have it on the uh on the uh on

[49:34] the ballot this

[49:37] fall so I was reading something I looked

[49:41] up um CH Amendment with within the state

[49:43] of New York and so what one that you're

[49:46] suggesting is is because there's three

[49:48] what methods is by by initiative

[49:51] referendum is that one your suggest no no this is this is a Char it's not

[49:55] initiative this is being legislative

[49:58] Amendment so it's a charter amendment

[50:00] being the legislative process there's

[50:02] also a charter amendment process if

[50:03] there's a charter commission but that's

[50:06] not the the case here this is a

[50:08] legislative Le in other words you would

[50:11] have to pass it the mayor would then

[50:14] have to act upon it and upon the mayor's

[50:16] approval of what you passed then that

[50:19] goes before the voters fall so you're

[50:21] talking about the one by legislative

[50:22] action yes

[50:31] go

[50:32] ahead sorry I wasn't here the last I

[50:35] just want to point on have we ever

[50:38] considered I mean creating a charter

[50:40] revise commission to Lo at the entire

[50:44] Charter and to have this commission come

[50:46] back with us with recommendation to make

[50:49] a comprehensive change if possible um

[50:53] I'm not against what we're doing one

[50:55] piece of a time here

[50:57] but it would be nice if we can address

[50:59] the entire Charter look at updated stuff

[51:03] and try to move that for if there's any

[51:06] changes from us creating the revised

[51:10] Charter

[51:11] commission so I think that I'll give to

[51:14] and I think that that would be I I like

[51:16] the sound of that kind of not again not

[51:18] peace fing it I think you know the issue

[51:20] We R into would be this the deadline

[51:22] we're talking about now we clear we

[51:23] going be able to do that um this time it

[51:26] seems like what you're suggesting is

[51:29] again is more comprehensive let's do it

[51:30] all at one time because there's multiple

[51:33] places within the Char need to be

[51:37] updated you're still going to be looking

[51:39] at that deadline September 5th and you

[51:41] can see how timec consuming this would

[51:44] be if you're

[51:46] taking it would take take a long time to

[51:48] go through that in order then

[51:51] presented before the voters if I may

[51:54] have

[51:56] what what do we as a council need to do

[51:59] in order to create a revised Charter

[52:11] commission I don't know last time was

[52:15] done to put forth the voters

[52:22] rejected sorry the charter commiss

[52:24] commission yes and yeah the vot is

[52:28] rejected was the early 2000 staff volunteers and they

[52:36] think yeah so we would have to go sorry

[52:40] so we would have to go to the voting to

[52:41] create this

[52:42] commission may the mayor the commission

[52:46] but in order to create the commission to

[52:48] allow you to

[52:53] appoint I just the mayor would create a

[52:55] commission

[52:58] retion well I mean I like the idea of

[53:01] the entire Charter review it's not a bad

[53:03] idea um but I think in terms of this um

[53:07] issue at hand um I actually um did

[53:10] support at our last meeting um as

[53:14] presented uh what was presented to us at

[53:17] the last U meeting and a couple of

[53:19] points about that I think that it holds

[53:22] us more accountable also for um staying

[53:25] on a timeline and I think that we would

[53:28] have the opportunity we continue to have

[53:30] the opportunity as the city council to

[53:32] give input to the budget it is I think I U I think corfield said this at the

[53:39] last meeting and I agree that it is

[53:41] probably the

[53:42] fundamental uh uh responsibility that we

[53:46] each have um as City Council Members is

[53:49] to um review and pass um a budget that's

[53:54] going to meet the needs of of our city

[53:56] um but I I thought that what was

[53:59] presented to us was fair and reasonable

[54:01] and again um I would support it in the

[54:05] way that it was presented to us

[54:07] um

[54:10] so so um so the way it was presented is

[54:14] that really in my opinion that we really

[54:16] don't have to say because essentially we

[54:18] could submit all the changes we wanted

[54:20] but if they were changes that the mayor

[54:22] was not agreeable to then they could be veto and beo the time came

[54:27] then then he can do that he can do that

[54:29] in our that is absolutely correct it

[54:32] shows a lack of leadership on this

[54:33] Council for 50 years this legislative

[54:36] body has been able to go through a

[54:38] budget process come up with a budget and

[54:42] have it adoped in a timely manner last

[54:44] year was an embarrassment it didn't

[54:46] happen we made the commitment when we

[54:49] voted through the budget that we would

[54:52] put something before the voters to

[54:56] tighten up that system I will maintain

[54:59] the position today is that you can leave

[55:01] everything in place if you don't adopt a

[55:04] budget by November 1st I'm not going to

[55:06] dance around with it that my budget

[55:08] would stand that and that's what the

[55:11] case law is we talked about it talked

[55:13] about suing it I don't want to go

[55:15] through that this is a manner that again

[55:19] it works give you the budget by October

[55:22] 1st you have full 30 days to review it

[55:26] amend it modify it adopt it by November

[55:30] 1st and then we implement it January 1st

[55:33] well let's just be all 100% the reason

[55:35] that it took so long with the budget

[55:37] last year was about the ARA money where

[55:38] there was money that was one to not was

[55:41] not to use towards the budget but to use

[55:42] for a project that was upcoming that was

[55:44] the hold up with this budget because we

[55:46] wanted to spend that money and we

[55:48] weren't able to we wanted to spend the

[55:50] 2.5 million to do some things within the

[55:52] budget and we weren't able to it was

[55:54] being rejected because money was really

[55:56] being held for a project which

[55:57] ultimately got funded so that was part

[55:59] of the problem so the mayor is saying

[56:01] you know lack of leadership and all that

[56:03] so I've been having been here for 50

[56:04] years but it is also the first time in

[56:06] my 12 years that that's ever happened so

[56:08] it's not about the leadership that that

[56:10] is here it's about that particular thing

[56:12] that's the only thing that made it

[56:13] different now than in the past years is

[56:15] that there was aror money on the table

[56:17] that wanted to be set aside for a

[56:18] certain project and we wanted to use it

[56:20] within the budget so that was part of

[56:22] the hope so I don't anticipate that

[56:25] being the case again year um and in

[56:27] terms of you know having an exact like

[56:30] this I'm willing to support if the um if

[56:33] we pass a budget by November 1st then

[56:36] the mayor can't be un willing to SP that

[56:40] um and in addition to that Mr Mr O'Brien

[56:43] gave us information from various Comm

[56:45] municipalities about how they did what

[56:48] they did but I noticed that within all

[56:50] those municipalities or at least most of

[56:52] them they didn't have a 4-week time

[56:54] frame some of them weren't passing their

[56:55] until the the 30th of November haven't

[56:57] gotten on the same date that we did

[56:59] which is October 1st so there were those

[57:02] differences as well so it's not we're not apples and apples in

[57:06] terms of the of the municipalities even

[57:08] in times of the time frames of reviewing

[57:10] the budget and getting it

[57:12] passed so I think so the issue that um

[57:16] that I saw as is presented is that

[57:18] number one let's start on something that

[57:19] we all agree upon I started plac where

[57:22] there's some alignment and Alignment was

[57:24] say that there is a whole here in the

[57:25] chart there's no response to if this

[57:28] situation comes up there should be

[57:30] something um in the charg reflects how

[57:32] we forward we all agree on that so

[57:35] that's a good thing next thing to be is

[57:38] that if as presented if there's a

[57:41] certain timeline then once we pass a

[57:44] certain timeline then the um budget

[57:47] would go to the mayor's proposed budget

[57:50] it's how that's how it is presented

[57:52] which would mean effectively that if if

[57:56] city

[57:57] council and the mayor's office are not

[57:59] in agreement on items on the budget then

[58:04] once effectively the clock runs

[58:07] out then then our decision and our our

[58:12] ability to um add input to the budget is

[58:15] gone and it would just go to the

[58:17] proposed budget so what I really don't

[58:19] think that we should do is have have

[58:21] something where we can just run the

[58:23] clock out and by manner by means running

[58:26] clock are we compromise the checks and

[58:27] balances that are put in place for the

[58:29] reason that they put in place so what I

[58:31] think that's something that we might

[58:32] want to consider is that

[58:35] if you know by any stretch your

[58:38] imagination this happens again then we

[58:41] would operate from the existing budget

[58:44] not the not the uh uh the proposed

[58:47] budget but the existing budget because

[58:49] at least that's one budget that all

[58:51] parties were able to agree upon to get

[58:53] passed in the first place so I think

[58:55] that that is Le um I think that that

[58:57] would be a wise alternative for us to

[58:59] consider mrri I think you have your hand

[59:01] up first you still um making more notes

[59:04] okay so I I have um Four Points well

[59:07] Five Points because I do want to say

[59:08] that one of the big holdups in last

[59:11] year's budget discussions went around

[59:13] the overtime for the police on the fire

[59:15] um so we don't have to worry about the

[59:17] aror piece this year but we are going to

[59:19] need to um address the overtime again um

[59:22] so I just wanted to to comment on that I

[59:26] also think that I would hope that um the

[59:28] mayor would be um you know kind of we'd

[59:31] be in dialogue hopefully we would have

[59:33] communication between the mayor and the

[59:35] city council so that um as we were

[59:39] discussing the changes or the revisions

[59:41] that we might want to see um that there

[59:43] would be some back and forth there um

[59:46] and not just a blanket rejection of of

[59:49] anything that we would say I think that

[59:50] we would have a relationship where um

[59:53] we'd be able to to think about that I

[59:54] also want to suggest that we've been

[59:57] receiving now the budget reports from

[1:00:00] our finance staff and the reason that we

[1:00:02] asked for those budget reports was so

[1:00:05] that we would have a better handle as

[1:00:07] city council people on the budget on an

[1:00:10] ongoing basis um so that we don't get to

[1:00:13] the point at which the budget is

[1:00:15] presented to us and we you

[1:00:18] know can't see what the history the

[1:00:20] budget history has been over the over

[1:00:22] the past several months although I do

[1:00:24] want to say that I just wanted to add

[1:00:26] this in here um something I was thinking

[1:00:28] about when I was uh prepping for this

[1:00:30] meeting you know I I think that rather

[1:00:33] than getting the entire uh report uh

[1:00:36] from Finance it might be good if we had

[1:00:38] just a summary of here's the um you know

[1:00:41] if any of us are on you know have

[1:00:43] managed budgets or at our workplaces or

[1:00:46] on Boards of directors you know

[1:00:48] sometimes you see the highlights of you

[1:00:49] know this number is really high this

[1:00:51] month because of this or this month

[1:00:53] number is really low because of that I

[1:00:55] think might be actually better than just

[1:00:57] us getting you know multiple Pages uh to

[1:01:00] go through um so that's one of the other

[1:01:02] points I wanted to make and then I think

[1:01:04] you know again there's ways around this

[1:01:07] in terms of you know the staff obviously

[1:01:09] are putting in their budgets to the

[1:01:12] mayor I think right and then they

[1:01:14] probably argue uh or I should say

[1:01:17] discuss um their the the various

[1:01:19] department heads budgets um together um

[1:01:23] again remember that we hear from our

[1:01:25] department heads heads as well about

[1:01:27] what their budget um what what their

[1:01:29] needs are so maybe we think about the

[1:01:32] scheduling of those um maybe we have

[1:01:34] additional meetings where we hear uh

[1:01:37] staff I know on the library board that's one of the things that we do we have additional meetings um to hear

[1:01:43] from folks um so there's ways to make

[1:01:46] sure that our input is is being

[1:01:49] appreciated and listened to um as well

[1:01:53] as um understanding the process itself

[1:01:55] as it's going along so that's those are

[1:01:58] the one things I wanted to

[1:02:00] say um I agree with most of what M um

[1:02:04] Patrick says and a few other things so

[1:02:06] as far as

[1:02:07] um um you know the mayor and the

[1:02:11] department heads were very hard to try

[1:02:13] to get U an actual budget out to us um

[1:02:16] as far as a timeline we only have a

[1:02:18] month okay well we meet every night

[1:02:20] instead of once a week or twice a week

[1:02:22] when we do if we have to meet every

[1:02:24] night it's our responsibility to be

[1:02:26] fiscally responsible to the residence of

[1:02:28] this city so we want to go through this

[1:02:30] budget and we want to get it passed I I

[1:02:33] had no issue with going back to the

[1:02:34] mayor's proposed budget what I have an

[1:02:37] issue with it's using the existing

[1:02:39] budget so oh when we go back to the

[1:02:42] existing budget what about the rising

[1:02:44] costs of salary Health Care Staffing

[1:02:47] those things aren't in the in the in the

[1:02:49] mayor's budget that he's presenting to

[1:02:51] us so how can we go backwards we can't

[1:02:54] I'm that's just my opinion then to um so

[1:02:57] anyway um there there are a lot of

[1:02:59] options that we can do meet more

[1:03:01] frequently it's up to us to work

[1:03:03] together to get it passed and I I and if

[1:03:06] we don't then it resorts to his budget

[1:03:08] and that's it so that's my statement so

[1:03:13] I I appreciate your input on that I

[1:03:15] think that again there's a lot that's

[1:03:17] being said that are that are General

[1:03:19] truths that are widely accepted by

[1:03:21] council members I think that you know

[1:03:23] number one it is our responsibility and

[1:03:25] number two we do need to work together

[1:03:26] number three there are measures that we

[1:03:28] can take to ensure a smoother process

[1:03:30] and I think we've acted upon those I

[1:03:32] think that is I think that is would be

[1:03:34] not wise of us to Bas a process that we

[1:03:38] are entering in based on relationships

[1:03:42] right like I don't think that I think

[1:03:43] the reason why we have um these things

[1:03:46] in place is is for something that can

[1:03:48] govern our actions

[1:03:50] because you know we are looking at last

[1:03:54] year um there were some strain

[1:03:56] relationships but some of us were able

[1:03:58] to to talk and come to to good have good

[1:04:01] conversations and good compromise and

[1:04:04] yet still we still ended up in the place

[1:04:06] that we were so really the point of this

[1:04:08] is to address the fact that there that

[1:04:10] we cannot end up in the place that we were last year based on lack of

[1:04:15] relationships or however you know you're

[1:04:19] um getting to that point there should be

[1:04:21] something that says this is what we do

[1:04:23] if this then this and my only I think we

[1:04:26] all agree on that my only thing that I

[1:04:28] disagree with is saying that if then

[1:04:30] this if this then this if we just refer

[1:04:32] to a proposed budget then we are

[1:04:34] effectively saying that we are putting

[1:04:36] building in a process where the clock

[1:04:38] can be ran out not to say that that

[1:04:40] would happen not to say that our that the mayor would do that not to say

[1:04:43] that our council president would do that

[1:04:45] but I'm not going to make decisions

[1:04:48] based on people's relationships or

[1:04:50] ability to have conversations and we can

[1:04:52] do it in a way that says if this then

[1:04:55] this and it voids that dependent on

[1:04:58] people's willingness toate and I think

[1:05:00] that that doesn't that doesn't shorten

[1:05:02] our our accountability it doesn't extend

[1:05:05] our timeline it does all the things that was said those generally widely

[1:05:08] accepted truths that sound really good

[1:05:10] but don't really um move the needle on

[1:05:13] process

[1:05:14] itself Mr yeah so let me address some of

[1:05:17] the things that happened during last

[1:05:19] year budget and I can start off for

[1:05:21] saying that um there were lack of

[1:05:24] communication from the

[1:05:26] to us from us to the m I'm not going to

[1:05:28] hold back time we we we seem to lack

[1:05:30] that communication and I hope during the

[1:05:32] budget at the end budget I ask that hope

[1:05:35] that we can improve on our communication

[1:05:38] during that process and at the same time

[1:05:41] too we we need

[1:05:43] to some of us need to to have that in us

[1:05:46] that we we need to compromise last year

[1:05:48] we lacked that some of us on the council

[1:05:51] came here and they just dig their heel

[1:05:53] into the sand and we're not going to

[1:05:54] compromise we like the project and we

[1:05:56] just focus on that without every

[1:05:58] discussing at the table in terms of how

[1:06:00] can we make

[1:06:02] changes and those are the things we need

[1:06:04] to look at because we have a budget it's

[1:06:07] proposed budget in front of us as a

[1:06:08] council is the most important thing that

[1:06:10] we have as a council to do and we as a

[1:06:13] council have an obligation to our

[1:06:15] taxpayer last year many of us were

[1:06:17] concerned about

[1:06:19] taxes taxes that has burden the taxpayer

[1:06:23] year after year and some of us were

[1:06:26] concerned about that so that's why we

[1:06:28] were talking about that some of us we

[1:06:29] were talking about over time over time

[1:06:32] we were talking about we're improving

[1:06:33] we're increasing the higher ring in

[1:06:35] various department where is the

[1:06:37] accountability when it comes to the time

[1:06:40] I would like to see that we are full

[1:06:42] capacity in some department so more than

[1:06:45] likely see in this budget at the end of

[1:06:47] the year that over time we see a

[1:06:50] reduction in over time at the same time

[1:06:52] we're we're wrapping up Staffing so we

[1:06:54] can have both at the same time have over

[1:06:57] time and have full capacity Staffing and

[1:06:59] that's something that we addressed last

[1:07:01] year in terms of our concern and in

[1:07:03] terms of fees and taxes taxpayer are

[1:07:06] boring enough out there we as a council

[1:07:09] need to help to protect them they can

[1:07:11] actually continue to pay taxes every

[1:07:13] year every year after year and we what

[1:07:15] are we doing we're going to come here

[1:07:17] we're going to throw back and we going

[1:07:18] to say okay there's a budget proposal in

[1:07:20] front of us let's vote for it a matter

[1:07:23] games what it's in the budget we we need

[1:07:25] to look at the budget as a council and

[1:07:28] suggest changes and be ready to

[1:07:31] compromise and to move forward and let's

[1:07:33] have a budget so that we don't fall back

[1:07:35] what happened last

[1:07:39] year I think um I just want to address

[1:07:41] the overtime issue again because

[1:07:43] although we do have um in our budget the

[1:07:46] ability um for full Staffing we don't

[1:07:48] have full Staffing because we haven't

[1:07:50] been successful necessarily at

[1:07:53] encouraging people to come on board I

[1:07:56] mean we've hired folks but we aren't I

[1:07:58] don't think that we I think we have

[1:07:59] openings in other words not to mention

[1:08:01] that we've had illness we've had you

[1:08:03] know retirements etc etc so the overtime

[1:08:06] is still being used and I think that

[1:08:08] what we're going to see is

[1:08:10] that I think that we were presented with

[1:08:13] realistic numbers for those overtime and

[1:08:15] I think when we get to see what the

[1:08:17] actuals are in a few months um they'll

[1:08:19] match some of those overtime figures but

[1:08:23] I guess we'll have to see

[1:08:27] so in terms of us not like hearing I

[1:08:30] have to tell you I really really one of

[1:08:33] the things we talked about during the

[1:08:34] last budget cycle was to have the um

[1:08:38] finance department come to us with all

[1:08:40] the information so for me short cutting

[1:08:42] it um I'm not I would just like I I

[1:08:45] would personally like to see like to see

[1:08:47] all of it and they can give us the high

[1:08:50] but have the information to go through

[1:08:52] because that's what we talked about last

[1:08:53] year because we have this is one month

[1:08:56] abreviated time frankly to do what what

[1:08:59] they presented to us for a Year's worth

[1:09:01] of time so which is why we said we would

[1:09:02] do it and I believe we should continue

[1:09:04] to do that and hear all of it and in

[1:09:07] terms of um I know it's consistently we

[1:09:08] said we have to trust our staff and Etc

[1:09:11] but the budget that we see is not

[1:09:13] necessarily what the staff's presented

[1:09:15] the staff presents their budget to the

[1:09:16] mayor the mayor then presents the budget

[1:09:19] with whatever changes or adjustments

[1:09:21] made that that it comes to the council

[1:09:22] so um it's not we're not necessar seeing

[1:09:25] the exact budget that the staff

[1:09:27] submitted to for that they they want

[1:09:30] because everybody has a huge wish

[1:09:32] friendly what they would like to see and

[1:09:34] then that's not always oversee so I just

[1:09:35] want to make that clear consistently

[1:09:38] said we should take into consideration

[1:09:39] when our staff said we don't always see

[1:09:42] everything that they want they want yes

[1:09:45] I I I definitely agree with them but I

[1:09:47] do think we also had the opportunity for

[1:09:49] staff came and did still tell us uh what

[1:09:52] their wish list had been so although it

[1:09:55] might not have matched what ultimately

[1:09:57] was presented uh to us we still had that

[1:10:00] opportunity to hear uh from department

[1:10:03] heads um what their initial budget

[1:10:06] requests were to that to that point then

[1:10:10] just gives us yes but to that point then

[1:10:13] if we

[1:10:15] um if last year if we went to the

[1:10:19] proposed budget and that proposed budget

[1:10:22] might have not directly reflected

[1:10:26] the staffs of wish if you will I think

[1:10:28] that that's a pretty reason expectation

[1:10:30] for any budget

[1:10:32] however to Mr M Bar's point I mean we

[1:10:36] can't have right this is not something

[1:10:39] where where multiple things are going to

[1:10:40] be true at the same time as it relates

[1:10:42] to whether we as as council members have

[1:10:46] um an appropriate level of um checks and

[1:10:49] balances um through the budgetary

[1:10:51] process so if we build in something that

[1:10:54] that's going to say by this

[1:10:57] date it's going to revert back to the

[1:11:00] proposed budget when the the likely

[1:11:04] issue why we wouldn't be able to get to

[1:11:07] uh an agreement is because we have

[1:11:09] strong disagreements with the proposed

[1:11:10] budget that completely guts our ability

[1:11:13] to make decisions and and I just think

[1:11:15] that that will be the responsible for us

[1:11:16] to do this C that's why that's going to

[1:11:19] what was had already been collectively

[1:11:21] pass with whatever amendments need to be

[1:11:23] made um in order to make sure that we

[1:11:25] are still operating um and doing the

[1:11:28] city's

[1:11:31] business and then no

[1:11:35] sorry sorry thank you um so as far as I

[1:11:40] mean we should really be looking at how

[1:11:41] we increase Revenue in the city as well

[1:11:44] I mean we're all residents here we all

[1:11:46] pay the taxes we all pay the trash tax

[1:11:48] we all pay city taxes school taxes it's

[1:11:51] part of our responsibility for being

[1:11:53] residents here our service es in this

[1:11:55] city are half Notch 100% when you think

[1:11:58] of our trash and our snow removal and

[1:12:00] everything that happens here so we have

[1:12:03] a a great City and great resources here

[1:12:06] um but why should the city I don't want

[1:12:09] to pay any more taxes than I pay but why

[1:12:11] should the city as a whole have to pay

[1:12:16] for residents um in the sense that why should we operate at a loss is what

[1:12:22] I'm saying so

[1:12:26] you know we need to at

[1:12:29] times take

[1:12:31] into consideration that Rising costs go

[1:12:35] up salary goes up everything goes up so

[1:12:38] I mean we can't so what we should be

[1:12:40] looking at is how do increase our

[1:12:41] Revenue maybe fees but again if we

[1:12:45] increase our revenues with fees then our

[1:12:47] residents are still paying more money so

[1:12:50] it's it's what I'm saying is you know

[1:12:55] I I I'm just wondering where you're

[1:12:57] coming from Mr Mo there so no I'm not

[1:12:59] coming from anywhere I'm just saying a

[1:13:01] broad topic sure so you mentioned about

[1:13:03] uh increasing Revenue right we shouldn't

[1:13:06] look at fees only cuz if you're looking

[1:13:08] fees we're tax and tax payers all the

[1:13:10] time right why don't you or the council

[1:13:12] since you're talking about come up with

[1:13:14] some solution in terms of how do we

[1:13:15] expand our tax base and a council we

[1:13:18] should look at it AB I'm suggest that

[1:13:19] you take the sphar head in that because

[1:13:21] you're talking about expanding

[1:13:23] increasing fees we can increasing fees

[1:13:25] we got to look across we got to look

[1:13:27] across the board how do we increase um

[1:13:29] our Revenue great last budget I did

[1:13:32] mention about I'm looking at the fees

[1:13:35] across the fees of service across the

[1:13:37] city I'm actually meeting with the with

[1:13:40] the finance department and finance staff

[1:13:43] and department head in terms of coming

[1:13:45] up with a comprehensive fee proposal to

[1:13:47] this Council we are hoping to have that

[1:13:50] everything goes well next month present

[1:13:52] to the council a comprehensive uh fee

[1:13:55] proposal for us to review and move

[1:13:57] forward in terms of that but to your

[1:14:00] point we should look beyond that yes we

[1:14:03] should talk about how we increase

[1:14:05] um other Revenue other than um fees that

[1:14:10] we're providing for water and garage

[1:14:12] because that is already at to a level

[1:14:15] what some people think it's maximum we

[1:14:16] shouldn't be charging more so we as a

[1:14:19] council we should get to work and look

[1:14:21] at how we can increase our Revenue yeah

[1:14:24] and I think it should be important to

[1:14:26] note that this is not something as a

[1:14:29] council we should be doing in response

[1:14:32] to um you know how we work our way

[1:14:34] through this legislation that's

[1:14:36] literally our job anyway we should

[1:14:38] always be looking at Le to increase

[1:14:39] Revenue so again sometimes some of them

[1:14:41] more widely understood the wisely said

[1:14:44] truths though they sound true and they

[1:14:46] are true might not be applicable to what

[1:14:49] we're talking about in point is just not

[1:14:51] either or it's a yes and so yes we

[1:14:53] should be increasing re looking for ways

[1:14:55] to increase Revenue in the city yes we

[1:14:57] should be working um with the mayor's

[1:14:59] office yes we should be in more in clear

[1:15:02] communication um I think that you know

[1:15:04] in my experience uh though it happened

[1:15:07] later on in the process um you know the

[1:15:10] mayor I know the mayor made some

[1:15:11] concessions that in order to get um the

[1:15:14] budget passed I'm sure he wasn't happy

[1:15:16] of it I know that talking with some of

[1:15:17] our my my council members get some

[1:15:20] concessions that's the whole thing

[1:15:22] that's the whole part of point of the

[1:15:24] negotiation ens sure everyone did that

[1:15:26] in good faith for the citizens of s so

[1:15:29] we will find ourselves in that position

[1:15:31] every year because that's our job so

[1:15:34] again the point is that I I wouldn't

[1:15:36] want to have anything where we end up um

[1:15:39] where our ability to negotiate in good

[1:15:41] faith with the mayor or amongst one

[1:15:43] another um is compromised so Mr Mayor

[1:15:48] thank you Mr chairman want to recap a

[1:15:51] couple things that Financial monthly

[1:15:53] Financial reports have been provided to

[1:15:55] the

[1:15:57] council every year every month since

[1:16:00] 2012 I can't remember if I did it when

[1:16:04] first came in in

[1:16:06] 2011 so those reports you want the city

[1:16:09] clerk reach council member individually

[1:16:11] so getting those monthly reports is

[1:16:14] nothing

[1:16:14] new uh the big issue last year with the

[1:16:20] budget I had asked the council I forget

[1:16:24] 10 days days before I submitted my

[1:16:26] budget to you were there any comments

[1:16:29] changes uh that you wanted there's no

[1:16:31] response to that put the budget out your

[1:16:35] review took and initially

[1:16:37] cut a large amount of money out of

[1:16:40] Public Safety

[1:16:43] overtime I couldn't fully support that s

[1:16:46] in The veto the budget we came back then

[1:16:49] fully

[1:16:50] restored the public safety largely

[1:16:53] overtime budget and made cuts across the

[1:16:56] board in nonpublic

[1:16:58] safety and it didn't make sense or could

[1:17:01] I support a shift in that where you were

[1:17:05] taking it from the nonpublic

[1:17:07] safety and again I've done 10 budgets to

[1:17:12] member of the city council chaired the

[1:17:14] finance committee for every one of those

[1:17:17] had the opportunity to serve for a dozen

[1:17:19] years as

[1:17:21] mayor we've always negotiated with staff

[1:17:24] members

[1:17:25] and when I asked for we wanted Cuts in

[1:17:27] public safety to go back to the police

[1:17:29] and fire department and let them make

[1:17:31] those changes no the council locked into

[1:17:34] specific budget items that I couldn't

[1:17:37] support nor could the department have to

[1:17:39] support and then the shift in the other

[1:17:42] direction to non-public safety just

[1:17:44] seemed to be a play to try and get what

[1:17:48] I thought was this Patrick's vote in the

[1:17:50] whole thing because you were advocating

[1:17:52] very heavily for the public safety

[1:17:56] I want to work with you I'm proud of the

[1:17:59] record that I have I'm proud of the

[1:18:00] record that we have as a community and

[1:18:03] you look at the things that have

[1:18:04] happened other cities and areas around

[1:18:07] here are envious of the success that we

[1:18:10] had and it's because of the competence

[1:18:12] that we have in the professional staff

[1:18:14] our Partnerships with other levels of

[1:18:16] government and businesses and Community

[1:18:18] leaders that produce Real Results here

[1:18:22] so I again look forward to working with

[1:18:24] you in this budg process the proposal

[1:18:26] that I have put forth is a charter

[1:18:29] amendment I believe serves the needs of

[1:18:32] us in the short term and we'll clear up

[1:18:35] any ambiguities going forward in the

[1:18:37] future no matter who happens to be

[1:18:38] sitting as mayor or member of the city

[1:18:40] council and I would appreciate your

[1:18:42] consideration and support for that just

[1:18:45] a followup on that does the uh Council

[1:18:49] wish to call for a public hearing you

[1:18:52] know resolution form for the public

[1:18:53] hearing next week

[1:18:55] I for the resolution P for the public he

[1:18:57] next week for the public hearing to be

[1:18:59] held on August

[1:19:02] 12 I

[1:19:05] we're

[1:19:07] otherwise well I mean otherwise we're

[1:19:09] not going to be able to stick to this

[1:19:10] time table in in time for this year's

[1:19:13] budget it's not it's not going to affect

[1:19:15] this year's budget oh that's true that's

[1:19:17] right that's right that's right I'm

[1:19:21] sorry the which means then you're

[1:19:24] looking had an entire cycle through

[1:19:27] thank you yeah

[1:19:29] so it's you know if you're calling for

[1:19:32] the public hearing that's the public

[1:19:33] hearing on

[1:19:36] 12 and the public hearing based on has

[1:19:39] what's here right before I mean it's

[1:19:44] uh obviously it's not obligating anybody

[1:19:47] to you know vote for the the proposal

[1:19:49] it's just what's what's there and if

[1:19:53] there's any Amendment to this and

[1:19:57] uh certainly you

[1:19:59] can perhaps deal with that on your

[1:20:02] August 5th meeting you want to have any

[1:20:05] amendments to

[1:20:07] this PO getting it to the you know

[1:20:11] posted prior to the 12th and then that

[1:20:14] will give you one last committee cycle

[1:20:17] we would be on

[1:20:20] 19th to tweet one last time before you

[1:20:22] voted on the 26th that's the last that's

[1:20:26] not having any special meetings not

[1:20:28] adjourning any meetings I'm just giving

[1:20:29] you you know according to your current

[1:20:33] [Applause]

[1:20:36] schedule public hearing we can

[1:20:40] maintain time that's going to happen

[1:20:43] from my colleagues on

[1:20:46] to the thought of if that if we go for

[1:20:50] that way then to mr's ear pointment r

[1:20:54] that kind of larger more comprehensive

[1:20:57] change to char that does when apply for

[1:21:02] doing

[1:21:03] so um so you're asking us to move for

[1:21:06] health public hearing as what was

[1:21:08] presented to us what was presented you

[1:21:10] also have two committee cycles in which

[1:21:12] to review it again you'll have the

[1:21:14] committee cycle on the 5th you'll have

[1:21:17] the committee cycle on the 12 looking at

[1:21:20] the final time you can vote on is on the

[1:21:22] 26th but it's just moving the

[1:21:27] process yes as I stated earlier I

[1:21:30] am I'm leaning toward maybe you know the

[1:21:35] commission a chart to

[1:21:36] revise commission to look at the entire

[1:21:40] chart and make recommendation including

[1:21:43] this comment back to the budet and come

[1:21:46] back to us and then we forward to to to amend the

[1:21:50] other I there are a lot of things that

[1:21:53] we should look at to change

[1:21:55] the Char not only the budget provision

[1:21:59] but many other

[1:22:06] things well I just want to say I think I would support um having a public

[1:22:11] hearing on on the 12 um for this

[1:22:14] particular change to the Charter I also

[1:22:17] support the idea of the mayor um you

[1:22:20] know appointing a commission that would

[1:22:21] do a longer term uh Charter but that's

[1:22:25] going to take time to review the entire

[1:22:28] Charter and come back with

[1:22:29] recommendations Etc to change you know

[1:22:31] if there are changes to be made um

[1:22:34] that's going to be a pretty

[1:22:35] comprehensive process so I think that we

[1:22:37] miss the vote on um being able to

[1:22:45] [Music]

[1:22:47] get and I publicly made the commitment

[1:22:51] you made the commitment to Farley the

[1:22:52] council collectively made the commitment

[1:22:55] that we would put something to the

[1:22:57] voters this year to clear up the

[1:23:00] ambiguity that exists within the process

[1:23:04] played out last

[1:23:07] year I I I would support the comparing I like the proposal I think that does

[1:23:14] put in um some safeguards so we don't we

[1:23:18] avoid what happened last year and moving

[1:23:20] forward uh we have a month for us to

[1:23:22] come together I think in watching last year it wasn't so much with the

[1:23:26] mayor as well that the council wasn't in

[1:23:28] agreement it give us many items um it

[1:23:32] gives us that 30 days for us to come

[1:23:34] together and put a budget forward for

[1:23:37] the mayor to consider and it puts in

[1:23:41] those safeguards that if we can't do

[1:23:44] that it would fall back to his his

[1:23:47] budget but that we have 30 days us as a

[1:23:50] council and and we probably have an idea

[1:23:53] moving up to October first about what

[1:23:55] how things are looking so we can start

[1:23:57] to have conversations and and you know

[1:23:59] where are the areas that we may not be

[1:24:01] AG agreement agreeing on and then we can

[1:24:04] have dialogue with the mayor saying you

[1:24:06] once you get that budget you know these

[1:24:08] are things that we're having some

[1:24:09] concern but begin that conversations and

[1:24:12] then we can continue to work towards a

[1:24:14] budget that works for everyone I think

[1:24:16] there should be something if we don't

[1:24:18] agree you know that's on us and then may

[1:24:20] or take it um we couldn't come up with a plan and that works the only

[1:24:26] thing is is like in in that 30 days

[1:24:29] we're having those conversations like we

[1:24:31] all come up with the plan that we agree

[1:24:34] on you can still be it obviously right

[1:24:38] and then we come back and we have V

[1:24:40] override now if we come up with a budget

[1:24:42] that we all agree to it's we should have

[1:24:45] an agreement that we could override the

[1:24:49] beo right I mean if we all members come

[1:24:52] up with a budget buy the of the month

[1:24:55] that we all agree on and it goes to the

[1:24:58] mayor and he vetos it right then if we

[1:25:01] all agree we could override

[1:25:05] veto so that system is already in place

[1:25:07] it takes five votes to over ride a veto

[1:25:10] four to pass it five to

[1:25:12] over so um but my recommendation is if

[1:25:16] we pass it then the mayor cannot be it

[1:25:18] because we've come to an agreement so

[1:25:20] that just takes that ey off the table as

[1:25:22] opposed to it does doesn't pass and then

[1:25:25] it reverts to the to the mayor's budget

[1:25:27] so that's that would be my

[1:25:29] recommendation that if we could come

[1:25:31] together the council agrees be able to

[1:25:33] pass this Budget on time that that that

[1:25:36] removes The veto Pack

[1:25:44] Mr it's an interesting question I don't

[1:25:47] you can't reduce the authority of an

[1:25:48] elected official during the term of

[1:25:50] office so you can't say or today I can

[1:25:53] veto

[1:25:55] [Applause]

[1:25:56] uh attain directly to the voters just

[1:25:59] creates a kind ofed process and again

[1:26:03] what we have is a fairly simple

[1:26:07] straightforward clarification some of

[1:26:10] the things that happened last year that

[1:26:11] left us in limbo and again I would ask

[1:26:14] the council's support to move forward

[1:26:17] with this uh you do the public

[1:26:20] hearing if there's comments one way or

[1:26:23] the other you have to take those into

[1:26:25] consideration but I do not believe there

[1:26:27] will be any overwhelming public push

[1:26:31] back from the scenario that I've put

[1:26:33] forth for your

[1:26:35] consideration and I would just also

[1:26:37] caution as a that these type of changes

[1:26:39] that we're talking about that we're

[1:26:41] making this is not necessarily um just

[1:26:44] impacting

[1:26:45] um you know or based on the Dynamics or

[1:26:48] the people that are in seats now we have

[1:26:50] to be forward thinking around what are

[1:26:53] the appropriate checks and balances to

[1:26:55] operate as as the government City's

[1:26:57] connected again that's why the the

[1:27:00] conversations around what what happened

[1:27:04] last year I think that the thought has

[1:27:06] to be not just about what happened last

[1:27:09] year but what happened last year was

[1:27:11] that we saw oh that there's something

[1:27:13] there's an adjustment that needs to be

[1:27:14] made not just based on what happened

[1:27:16] last year but what possibly could happen

[1:27:18] moving forward in the city is connected

[1:27:21] so we have to make our decisions based

[1:27:23] on that not not based on the person

[1:27:25] who's in U that set seat right now but

[1:27:29] based on what's best for checks and

[1:27:30] Balan Tove for people

[1:27:35] s well the mayor says that know we can't

[1:27:39] take away his how however I I feel like

[1:27:42] this particular um the way that this

[1:27:46] Charter revision amendment is being put

[1:27:49] forward essentially takes away the power

[1:27:51] or the the power and I think it our

[1:27:54] level of responsibility that we commit

[1:27:56] to for the council so absolutely so so it sounds like what we're saying is

[1:28:03] that is that we all agree that something

[1:28:06] needs to be done and we can do something

[1:28:10] however

[1:28:11] the point of of disagreement will be what happens

[1:28:19] with the um what's the next step if we

[1:28:22] get to the point we don't make that bu

[1:28:23] so if if there's not agreed to F bu so

[1:28:26] again what I'm suggesting is that we

[1:28:28] come up with something that would say

[1:28:30] that we would go with the existing

[1:28:32] budget and amend based on on on

[1:28:36] inflation and and

[1:28:38] cost cost of Life increases I think that would cover

[1:28:43] um the the rising expenses that you're

[1:28:46] talking about and it still will be a

[1:28:48] budget that was agreed upon by a body at

[1:28:51] that at that time it wouldn't just be a

[1:28:52] matter of of the clock running out and

[1:28:55] then once the clock's R 12 you have no

[1:28:59] um no say so and you can go back to the

[1:29:02] original proposed budget that likely

[1:29:05] would be the reason why you had to disre

[1:29:07] to be done I just think that that that

[1:29:08] doesn't look down for that doesn't sound

[1:29:12] wise to

[1:29:15] me so am I right this is just calling

[1:29:18] for a public hear call for for a public

[1:29:20] hearing only okay we have two months if

[1:29:22] we want to add or subtract something to

[1:29:24] it but whether we do or don't it's going

[1:29:27] out to the to the to the city is

[1:29:29] connected to the

[1:29:31] voters let them be the final

[1:29:36] charge but the public hearing is on what

[1:29:38] we present correct so I'm saying to you

[1:29:42] I'm not agreeing with that to present

[1:29:43] that that's what I'm saying to you AG to

[1:29:46] present that I understand but you're

[1:29:47] saying just put it out there because

[1:29:48] it's a public hearing and I'm saying the

[1:29:50] public hearing says public this is what

[1:29:52] we're presenting to you we would like

[1:29:53] your input on that and I'm saying to you

[1:29:55] that I am not in agreement with what is

[1:29:57] being presented for the public here have

[1:30:00] you come up with something that I gave

[1:30:01] what but the mayor said it's it's not

[1:30:04] acceptable I haven't seen anything from

[1:30:07] you that in the package

[1:30:11] today yes no in this no just the only

[1:30:14] thing that we had was from the last time

[1:30:16] is just in this discussion

[1:30:21] [Applause]

[1:30:26] I guess um I I would

[1:30:28] have with respect to everyone that's

[1:30:32] giving input here but um I think

[1:30:37] that we

[1:30:39] have we have folks that are going to

[1:30:42] present to us a budget I mean I guess I

[1:30:46] don't feel like we should be just

[1:30:48] looking at the current budget I mean

[1:30:50] they are going to look at the current

[1:30:51] budget I guess where here

[1:30:54] the the staff and the mayor will be

[1:30:56] using the budget for 2024 right which I

[1:31:00] think is what you're suggesting would be

[1:31:02] what we would revert back to if it could

[1:31:04] come to agreement but they will be

[1:31:06] looking at inre right no I get that but

[1:31:09] I I guess I would say that it's my guess

[1:31:13] um that the mayor and the department

[1:31:15] heads will be using that and will be

[1:31:18] making the appropriate cost of building

[1:31:19] adjustments and the adjustments for the

[1:31:21] raises and Etc on the 2024 budget to

[1:31:26] begin with I mean I think that's what

[1:31:28] that would be part of platform that they

[1:31:30] would that they would have to

[1:31:32] also start from when they are uh looking

[1:31:35] at the 2025 budget so you know I think

[1:31:38] that's just part of the process of

[1:31:40] planning a budget um that they would

[1:31:43] themselves be doing that and it would be

[1:31:45] part of the 2025 budget as presented by

[1:31:48] the

[1:31:49] mayor just

[1:31:54] I was going to say yes I am some of that

[1:31:56] and yes so yes and so yes I'm sure that

[1:31:59] that's part of the calculations that would be made

[1:32:03] however if for referencing um last year

[1:32:06] it wasn't just part of those

[1:32:08] calculations that were being made that

[1:32:10] was some of the points again it was it

[1:32:12] was aror money um and there so there

[1:32:14] were some unique circumstances which I

[1:32:16] think in unique circumstances you can

[1:32:18] find yourself in new situation I don't

[1:32:20] know what the future holds but had there

[1:32:22] been something in the charter that we

[1:32:24] could refer back to it would have

[1:32:26] increased our likelihood to not going

[1:32:28] through as much as what we can through

[1:32:30] in order to get what we have to get so

[1:32:33] my thing is yes I believe again that

[1:32:34] there needs to be something and to the

[1:32:36] mayor's point we did commit to put

[1:32:38] something um uh on the ballot for voters

[1:32:41] to vote on and my point is that I agree

[1:32:45] with that I just don't I I don't agree

[1:32:47] with that one piece of it and I think

[1:32:49] that that really limits checks and

[1:32:50] balances and our our our our respons

[1:32:53] responsibility and Our obligation to um

[1:32:56] put forth a balanced agreed upon budget

[1:32:59] I Feel Like We can't agree upon what's

[1:33:02] presented in front of us to say well if

[1:33:03] you can't agree upon it make agreement

[1:33:06] by this thing we're just going to go

[1:33:07] with that anyway I just to me I don't

[1:33:10] see the logic that that really limits

[1:33:12] our our our ability to fill our schope

[1:33:14] to

[1:33:18] work I mean we can all not have this

[1:33:21] conversation if we if we as a counil

[1:33:23] decide to work together we need to

[1:33:25] compromise we cannot come to the

[1:33:27] discussion during the budget and we come

[1:33:30] there we open our books and we're not

[1:33:32] making any good faith suggestion good

[1:33:36] faith um effort to help us to arrive at

[1:33:38] a buet that is workable to the city to

[1:33:42] the staff to the taxpayer we need to

[1:33:45] change our approach when we discussing

[1:33:47] have an open mind all this discussion

[1:33:50] will be useless we're talking about if

[1:33:52] we can put a good fate effort to

[1:33:55] negotiate and to compromise and to look

[1:33:58] out for everyone this this is like this

[1:34:01] is useless yeah we should have a budget

[1:34:04] we need to compromise we need to open we

[1:34:07] need to open communication at the end

[1:34:09] for counil member along with the mayor

[1:34:11] was able to compromise and able to have

[1:34:13] a budget at the

[1:34:15] end and we were able to achieve that

[1:34:18] four council member along the mayor so

[1:34:20] we should give the four council member

[1:34:22] the mayor credit at that point in time

[1:34:23] and we were able to achieve that all of

[1:34:25] us need to work collectively come to the

[1:34:27] table with an open mind don't open your

[1:34:29] book and you have no questions you're

[1:34:31] not seeking no answer to the budget it

[1:34:34] shows that we lack our our ability to go

[1:34:37] through the budget and to come up with

[1:34:39] questions and to seek answers and to

[1:34:42] make meaningful recommendation as to how

[1:34:45] we move forward not because we have a

[1:34:48] budget that present to us it's a budget

[1:34:51] it's everybody is going to ask for from

[1:34:53] A to Z we as a council need to say no

[1:34:56] we're not going to give you from A to Z

[1:34:58] we're going to give you as much as we

[1:35:00] can and at the same time we have to look

[1:35:02] up for taxpayers so I think yes I agree

[1:35:05] with everything that you said Mr W I

[1:35:07] think that you know my conversations

[1:35:10] with the mayor um towards the late hours

[1:35:14] of of the budget process um with support

[1:35:17] of council members they were fruitful

[1:35:18] conversations and again I I appreciate

[1:35:21] and appla the Mak discussions that he

[1:35:23] did as I do um same to my colleagues um

[1:35:27] as you all did and we got it done so but

[1:35:30] again this

[1:35:31] isn't uh legislation just based in that

[1:35:34] one

[1:35:35] scenario and you know I agree with the

[1:35:38] compromise piece because you know what

[1:35:41] I'm not saying is Well if we can't come

[1:35:44] up with a budget at this date then it

[1:35:47] refer then then the budget refers to a

[1:35:49] budget the proposed budget of the

[1:35:51] majority of the city council I'm not

[1:35:53] saying that right because to me I think

[1:35:55] that that would be completely uh

[1:35:57] undermining the mayor's office uh

[1:36:00] ability to negotiate and act in good

[1:36:03] place so I'm saying that wouldn't be

[1:36:05] good for for the council to be able to

[1:36:08] say oh times out you just go now you

[1:36:11] just got a Mr Mayor tough luck you just

[1:36:12] have to go with what we're saying and it

[1:36:14] wouldn't be good for the mayor's office

[1:36:17] to say that to us either I don't think

[1:36:19] that there's going to be a problem

[1:36:21] moving forward I agree that the mayor um

[1:36:23] he demonstrated his willingness to work

[1:36:24] with us as a council and make

[1:36:26] concessions I appreciate that but again

[1:36:27] it's not just about the mayor that's

[1:36:29] sitting in front of you right now or

[1:36:31] whether there about their council

[1:36:32] members sit this legislation has to be

[1:36:35] about maintaining certain checks and

[1:36:37] balances so I don't think that the

[1:36:38] council should be able to make that

[1:36:39] decision by default in just Round the

[1:36:41] Clock and I don't think that that's

[1:36:42] something that's Happ from the

[1:36:45] me thank you Mr chairman just to follow

[1:36:47] on some of your earlier comments looking

[1:36:49] at these Charters from the other

[1:36:52] surrounding cities they may have

[1:36:53] different time frames as far as their

[1:36:56] fiscal years are based Amsterdam's in

[1:36:59] the middle of the Year others are you

[1:37:01] know out in December but what the

[1:37:04] commonality is is is going full

[1:37:08] conversations here is it's a recognition

[1:37:11] that it's not just the people in the

[1:37:12] room at that particular time that

[1:37:16] it's so whether it be Amsterdam or ALB

[1:37:19] or Troy they all put this a similar

[1:37:22] system in in the the case where the

[1:37:26] mayor and the council could not come to

[1:37:28] an agreement that both sides would then

[1:37:31] have their full input into the

[1:37:34] process if the council doesn't anything

[1:37:37] then they they've defaulted their

[1:37:39] position and then the mayor's position

[1:37:42] is adopted if the mayor doesn't open

[1:37:44] anything with the council's amended

[1:37:45] budget then that he he has

[1:37:50] uh vacated his his position as far

[1:37:55] as he's waved his position he's waved

[1:37:59] his position but the council if he does

[1:38:02] do something the council can override

[1:38:05] that and the council's

[1:38:08] veto if it's

[1:38:10] overridden be the council's budget so

[1:38:13] it's going the back and forth each side

[1:38:16] having their opportunity to have some

[1:38:19] say in the

[1:38:20] budget and each side Rec each every side

[1:38:24] having that Authority that they

[1:38:25] inherently have the override The

[1:38:29] veto and but and whether you know

[1:38:31] whether the council not doing their position uh doing anything by the

[1:38:35] deadline or the mayor not doing anything

[1:38:37] by the mayor's deadline um the budget

[1:38:41] will be as amended by the council or not

[1:38:45] acted by the council okay as the case

[1:38:47] may be will become it become the the

[1:38:51] budget I think each one of those looking

[1:38:54] at each one of those some cities went

[1:38:56] into a deeper dive in detail like the

[1:38:58] city of troit um others more streamline

[1:39:03] like Amsterdam and alies in the middle

[1:39:07] but it recognizes that it's not just

[1:39:10] people this is prospectively right this

[1:39:12] is prospectively with a recognition each

[1:39:16] sides part of the

[1:39:19] process that's that's just fine

[1:39:26] just one historical note there was one

[1:39:27] budget that I chaired the finance

[1:39:29] committee

[1:39:31] that Council made changes to the mayor

[1:39:34] didn't like the mayor vetoed it and the

[1:39:37] council overrode it 70 adap to the

[1:39:39] budget Mr was one of

[1:39:48] s so

[1:39:53] um what I suggest you know maybe call

[1:39:57] for the public hearing because we're losing a week home for the public

[1:40:00] hearing you're going to be back here in

[1:40:02] a couple of weeks we on the 5th of

[1:40:04] August for another committee meeting if

[1:40:07] you want to mark up what's before you at

[1:40:09] that time then we can work on that and

[1:40:12] then upload it in time for the public

[1:40:14] hearing and then you also have that

[1:40:16] other committee C before

[1:40:20] 26 at this point just for the limited

[1:40:23] Purp purpose is getting a public hearing

[1:40:24] the public hearing will be saying for a

[1:40:26] chart adding Charter language regarding

[1:40:30] the deadline of the budget and then we

[1:40:32] can we can put in what materials can be

[1:40:35] available if if that's what you want to

[1:40:38] do and then we could put in yes what I'm

[1:40:41] saying is if if you want to put

[1:40:43] additional language in for the public

[1:40:45] prior to the public hearing you have

[1:40:47] that

[1:40:49] opportunity if you want to amend if you

[1:40:51] want to amend otherwise we'll just go

[1:40:53] with what has been presented for

[1:40:56] you but it doesn't bind anybody one way

[1:40:58] or the other just calling for the public

[1:41:00] hearing at this point and if you all

[1:41:03] want to Market Market up the proposed

[1:41:07] legislation I'm just I'm just concerned

[1:41:09] about the process along you know so

[1:41:11] you're not hamstr strong at the

[1:41:14] end so you're saying that we if you call

[1:41:18] some

[1:41:19] right and that the next cycle we can put

[1:41:23] forward language for those of us who do

[1:41:26] not with the current language that's

[1:41:27] been been provided can put both other

[1:41:29] language however if at that meeting the

[1:41:32] other language isn't acceptable then

[1:41:34] what goes to the public hearing well I

[1:41:36] mean that's something we can discuss I

[1:41:38] mean what I I'm just thinking out loud

[1:41:40] here but maybe you put both items on and

[1:41:43] have a discussion on on both

[1:41:45] proposals as a public you know is

[1:41:48] because we're just talking about a

[1:41:49] charter Amendment and I'm just because

[1:41:52] we're dealing with time frames involved

[1:41:54] here and I'm just thinking that

[1:41:56] maybe have both Public public hearing you put them both

[1:42:03] onto the public hearing is that what you

[1:42:04] just said excuse me you're saying put if

[1:42:07] there's yeah and different language

[1:42:09] that's proposed other than what you

[1:42:11] provided to us through the mayor's

[1:42:12] office right that we would then put that

[1:42:15] other proposed language forward we could

[1:42:17] always do it as you both sides if that's

[1:42:19] the will something has to be the public

[1:42:22] hearing that goes

[1:42:24] for the enacted

[1:42:26] legislation things that are conflicted

[1:42:28] but see the thing is the public this is

[1:42:31] the because the municipal home RO law

[1:42:34] doesn't require a a mandatory public

[1:42:38] hearing for a legislative body requires

[1:42:40] a mandatory hearing for you which is the

[1:42:42] pass

[1:42:44] legislation because this is not an

[1:42:46] acting ordinance this it's a broader

[1:42:48] idea it's it's it's a

[1:42:50] broader there's broader parameters I

[1:42:53] believe that you can work with here

[1:42:55] because this is an optional public

[1:42:57] hearing as opposed to the mayor's

[1:42:59] mandatory public

[1:43:01] [Music]

[1:43:03] hearing because when

[1:43:05] there's Municipal home when there's a

[1:43:08] strong mayor for County Executive

[1:43:11] they're mandated to have a public

[1:43:12] hearing within 5

[1:43:14] days for the accounts for a legislative

[1:43:17] body they can have a public heent which

[1:43:19] you can but they're not mandated Pursuit

[1:43:21] the law to have that public he

[1:43:23] so what I am suggesting is to get that

[1:43:25] input we just broaden the

[1:43:31] scope and we have the chance on August

[1:43:34] 5th right yes right to do so

[1:43:42] right I'm not on that committing

[1:43:55] Entertain Entertain public

[1:43:59] the

[1:44:01] um I I will word it in such way such you

[1:44:04] know Charter you know propos Charter

[1:44:07] amendments Charter you know propos

[1:44:09] legislation regarding Charter amendment

[1:44:10] to

[1:44:11] section

[1:44:14] uh

[1:44:15] 6-8

[1:44:17] a just make it Brader language

[1:44:24] I think I heard the mayor say that we

[1:44:25] couldn't have that conflicting language

[1:44:28] is that what you stating what I I don't

[1:44:32] know if Mr o'ri what he's thinking that

[1:44:34] you can't have things that are

[1:44:35] conflicted going to the voters no no I'm

[1:44:38] not saying no it's not going to be

[1:44:39] conflicted what I'm saying is whatever

[1:44:43] if there's a council proposal that that

[1:44:45] doesn't go with you the proposed that's

[1:44:48] before us then ultimately there's only

[1:44:51] one item that will go and be voted voted

[1:44:53] on the 26 there's only one piece of

[1:44:55] legislation that will go before the

[1:44:58] Council on the 26 it's whatever you will

[1:45:01] agree to to vote on can't have two

[1:45:04] different

[1:45:06] ones it's

[1:45:09] just having information at the public

[1:45:11] hearing you have another you have another uh committee

[1:45:16] cycle after the public hearing and at

[1:45:18] that point you make the final decision

[1:45:20] what you want to vote on on the 12

[1:45:23] the

[1:45:33] [Music]

[1:45:35] 26 so my only comment is we're going to

[1:45:39] pass a budget and we can't even put

[1:45:42] something out for

[1:45:45] a public

[1:45:47] hearing oh you're asking that

[1:45:51] question making a statement I mean it

[1:45:54] just seems that you know there's some of

[1:45:56] us that are okay with it and there's

[1:45:58] some of us that aren't and we've been

[1:46:00] beating around the bush for the past 30

[1:46:02] minutes or so so let's just let's just

[1:46:06] put it out there are we going to put it

[1:46:07] out there for public hearing or not and

[1:46:09] who's going to write the new um you know

[1:46:13] request that goes out along with the

[1:46:15] mayor that's going to go to Corporation

[1:46:18] councel so my response to your statement

[1:46:21] will be that what is happen happing is

[1:46:23] us doing our due diligence and making

[1:46:25] sure and I speak to myself is that I

[1:46:28] want to make sure that I use the

[1:46:30] resource that Corporation counsel to

[1:46:31] make sure that I have a clear

[1:46:33] understanding so I'm making inform

[1:46:34] decision I'm not interested in beinga

[1:46:37] around the bush but I want to make sure

[1:46:38] any bring something forth to the public

[1:46:39] has come from an informed space and I

[1:46:41] think that's what the dialogue has

[1:46:43] happened here and that's why now I'm in

[1:46:45] support um of going move for for a

[1:46:48] public hear based on the information

[1:46:50] that that we receive from Corporation

[1:46:52] Council because that informtion was just

[1:46:54] presented to us at this point in

[1:46:55] conversation didn't happen so that's the

[1:46:57] point that that's where our respons but

[1:46:59] where that other piece of legislation

[1:47:03] come the other option to the mayor's

[1:47:08] proposal that could come in your next

[1:47:10] committee meeting I'm sorry you can

[1:47:12] develop that prior committee meeting but

[1:47:14] that would come from the

[1:47:18] [Music]

[1:47:19] councilor put some simple numbers to it

[1:47:23] The Proposal that been put forth by the

[1:47:25] council president can't come to an

[1:47:28] agreement that it would revert to the

[1:47:30] prior budget that everybody in theory

[1:47:32] has agreed to might have multiple years

[1:47:35] of contact this year if you

[1:47:38] take the 2024 operating budget take it

[1:47:42] into 25 using that

[1:47:45] scenario you would then go with a

[1:47:47] minimum of 20% tax

[1:47:50] increase because there's a whole there

[1:47:53] because of the arip and you know each

[1:47:55] budget year there's a lot of

[1:47:57] similarities a lot of uh assumptions

[1:47:59] that we make going forward but there are

[1:48:02] widely variant factors that come into

[1:48:04] play and you have to rely on the staff

[1:48:08] we given the opportunity to serve

[1:48:10] leadership roles in the community and

[1:48:12] the public trusts us to do the right

[1:48:14] thing right you can't do some of these

[1:48:16] things that are arbitrary and without

[1:48:19] really thought out what the process and

[1:48:21] the impact is

[1:48:24] so again some of those things are wiely

[1:48:27] the truth I'm sorry

[1:48:30] Mr no absolutely no I'll put my hand up

[1:48:34] like this thank you

[1:48:36] so I just want to make sure I'm not

[1:48:38] overlooking your future Mone share so to

[1:48:41] the mayor point if we were to do that

[1:48:42] with um well number one I think we to

[1:48:44] start with fact understanding that this

[1:48:46] legislation won't impact this budget

[1:48:48] year so any numbers that are kind of

[1:48:50] drawn based on this budget year really

[1:48:53] would be relevant because no matter

[1:48:55] which way this happens it's not going to

[1:48:56] impact our upcoming budget here again so

[1:48:59] we be looking forward but I do

[1:49:00] appreciate you know that the opinion of

[1:49:04] like how things can be Wily vared so I

[1:49:06] guess my again the question would be

[1:49:10] um what other uh what we should start

[1:49:13] thinking about what are the other main

[1:49:15] pieces of the formula that we might want

[1:49:17] to consider putting in to say it can

[1:49:21] look like this based on um just the

[1:49:23] points that you

[1:49:28] raing like like as I said before we were

[1:49:30] using examples from other municipalities

[1:49:32] and I was kind of surprised to read that

[1:49:35] those municipalities have a much longer

[1:49:36] time frame to deliberate over the budet

[1:49:38] two months as opposed to one so I think

[1:49:40] that's a consideration get more time for

[1:49:42] conversation I heard the meeting every

[1:49:44] night that's probably not conceivable

[1:49:46] for everyone to just meet every single

[1:49:48] night based on our other

[1:49:50] responsibilities um but given a longer

[1:49:52] time frame

[1:49:53] um that's fine and the mayor stated that

[1:49:55] you know that would be that just you

[1:49:56] know be flawed uh to go back to the

[1:49:59] other budget but in case I hadn't stated

[1:50:02] it if we would consider like if there's

[1:50:03] salary increases and those basic

[1:50:05] increases then we could just we could

[1:50:07] have those those things happen we could

[1:50:09] write that into it um but I have to you

[1:50:11] know how many times I can say I just

[1:50:14] don't believe that just refering just

[1:50:18] reverting back to the because we can't

[1:50:20] agree to a budget reverting back to the

[1:50:21] Amer budget I don't think that that is

[1:50:25] the best way to move forward in terms of

[1:50:27] a council working together to come up

[1:50:29] with a a budget and there just if it's

[1:50:32] not if the mayor is saying that you

[1:50:34] cannot um take away his veto power then there has and and I'm saying that I

[1:50:39] don't feel like 100% of like if the

[1:50:42] clock runs down becomes budget then

[1:50:45] somewhere in the middle then we should

[1:50:47] be able to come to a place that we can

[1:50:48] come to an agreement where this is what

[1:50:50] it is it's not all of this it's not all

[1:50:52] that and once again it sort of brings us

[1:50:54] back to the whole deliberation around

[1:50:56] like like when we deliberating on the

[1:50:57] budget everybody can't have everything

[1:50:59] they're asking for but where can we come

[1:51:01] to a happy medium that says okay we're

[1:51:04] both satisfied with this and this is how

[1:51:06] we can move forward and I think that's

[1:51:07] where we need to get regarding this

[1:51:09] piece of legislation that we move

[1:51:11] forward with to present to the

[1:51:15] voters president again the opposite of

[1:51:18] what's being presented would be a SLE if

[1:51:21] we can't get into that point of

[1:51:22] agreement and whatever the city council

[1:51:26] says and I think that what we like to I

[1:51:29] think that there's another formula here

[1:51:31] and I I definitely as a chair this

[1:51:34] community I can definitely present some

[1:51:36] thoughts I welcome on my colle input on

[1:51:39] there um and I will definitely present

[1:51:41] some thoughts and I think that we can

[1:51:43] come to a more reasonable compromise I

[1:51:46] believe maybe not being overly

[1:51:47] optimistic I've seen it happen before

[1:51:49] and with the mayor's office being

[1:51:51] talking something sessions as council

[1:51:53] members and we got it there I think we

[1:51:55] can do it

[1:51:56] again Mr P so if um that happened at our

[1:52:01] August 5th meeting are we still able to

[1:52:03] just move forward right now with calling

[1:52:04] for a public hearing on the 12th and

[1:52:06] then on the 5th we would know what we

[1:52:09] would be talking about public hearing

[1:52:10] correct I this is just you know as a

[1:52:14] marker you're putting that public

[1:52:15] hearing down otherwise we would have

[1:52:18] to the public

[1:52:22] this budget you'll miss this vote this

[1:52:29] election ballot we missed the ballot

[1:52:32] this year oh so we'd push it it would be

[1:52:36] then you'd have to talk about this next

[1:52:37] year for the

[1:52:40] 20126 um it would affect the 2026 budget

[1:52:43] no yes yes okay um but right now that

[1:52:48] committee which I'm not on needs to

[1:52:51] decide whether we going to have a public

[1:52:53] hearing on the 12th we still have the

[1:52:56] fifth to be able to look at other

[1:53:02] Alternatives so when we

[1:53:04] start we started this conversation Mr M

[1:53:07] was talking about

[1:53:09] entire um Charter Amendment and so I'm

[1:53:13] guessing I'm asking where you are with

[1:53:17] that in Char of the Char Commission in

[1:53:21] charge of this or trying to open it's a long appro but I I I think it's it's du and I think uh we should U

[1:53:32] set up a a charter revise commission to

[1:53:36] look at the charter to come up a

[1:53:39] recommendation that is my

[1:53:41] suggestion I'm going to stick to that

[1:53:44] okay so so you want to support um the

[1:53:46] public hearing on this one agenda I

[1:53:54] let me ask you this then um are you

[1:53:56] supporting what the mayor's putting

[1:53:58] forward period like even if we're

[1:54:00] looking at revising the entire

[1:54:03] thing or or do you agree with this

[1:54:06] concept that that the the um if we don't

[1:54:09] pass a budget that it reverts to the

[1:54:11] budget that's been put

[1:54:14] forth all I have got come to that

[1:54:17] conclusion I am I think that I think I'm

[1:54:21] pass my opinion just like everybody else

[1:54:24] that we should uh consider this the Char

[1:54:28] rision commission to look at that and to

[1:54:30] look at that component to in the budget

[1:54:33] do we go with the refer back to the

[1:54:35] previous year or do we go with the May's

[1:54:37] proposed budget and that will depend on

[1:54:40] the commission recommendation to us at

[1:54:42] that

[1:54:46] time I have to say answer it's up to you

[1:54:50] so my my one area of concern is that

[1:54:52] fact that we didn't make a commitment

[1:54:54] that we would take a look at

[1:54:56] this and that you know that we would

[1:54:59] want to do that

[1:55:02] no so that that's my concern okay so if

[1:55:06] I were so if we were to look at this

[1:55:08] guys moving forward with this public

[1:55:10] hearing as well as um taking the

[1:55:13] necessary steps to form uh the

[1:55:15] commission the charter commission would

[1:55:17] that be agreeable to you at this point

[1:55:18] to where we can say well you know we can

[1:55:22] call called public hearing based on the

[1:55:24] information that's been provided by

[1:55:25] Corporation Council not not just

[1:55:28] necessarily on to been proposed and then

[1:55:31] for the commission that would be a

[1:55:34] [Applause]

[1:55:37] position I'm not sure that Charter

[1:55:39] commission may be the way that you

[1:55:40] necessarily want to go because the

[1:55:42] charter commission um the mayor appoints

[1:55:46] the entire Charter commission so we we

[1:55:49] have no input in there's other ways to

[1:55:50] approach this so with the with the

[1:55:52] commission we have no we have no

[1:55:56] set again I'm sorry I have to say I

[1:56:00] think we have to start getting to a

[1:56:01] point where we respect each other where

[1:56:04] we try to have some level of trust where

[1:56:06] we try to better our

[1:56:08] communication um both among ourselves

[1:56:10] and also with the mayor so I think that

[1:56:14] hopefully first of all I also think it's

[1:56:16] two separate things you got to decide

[1:56:18] your your committee has to decide

[1:56:20] whether we're going to do this public he

[1:56:22] 12 for this one piece and whether we

[1:56:26] would like the mayor to appoint a

[1:56:28] commission that would look at the

[1:56:30] overall um Charter which is going to be

[1:56:33] a longer process trust me that's any of

[1:56:35] us that have ever done anything like

[1:56:37] this right so so that's that's the thing

[1:56:40] but I think underlying all of this is

[1:56:43] this idea that of of trust that we need

[1:56:46] to continue working on so I I mean I

[1:56:49] think having public hearing

[1:56:53] um is I think we all would like to get

[1:56:55] the uh community's input on on this one

[1:56:59] way or the other but again it's just if

[1:57:01] you're not going to do it then it's just

[1:57:03] going to push forward one more year um

[1:57:05] so you know that's that's the simple

[1:57:07] thing that this subcommittee has to um

[1:57:11] talk about right now and make a

[1:57:15] decision I'm pretty clear as to what what decisions we're making so um

[1:57:20] again I think they're using words like

[1:57:23] um trust and respect and I think that

[1:57:26] that's far I can speak myself personally

[1:57:27] I haven't demonstrated any uh lack of

[1:57:31] trust in an individual I speaking more

[1:57:32] to the process and I certainly have Dem

[1:57:35] disrespect so it's just really been so

[1:57:38] those things are said I I agree with I'm

[1:57:40] not I'm not saying that anyone just just

[1:57:42] for Clear St right right just for for

[1:57:44] clearity we want to make sure that that

[1:57:46] that's not um the spirit in which I'm

[1:57:48] operating from and I haven't seen that

[1:57:49] at the table this far I think that's

[1:57:51] just something that should do

[1:57:52] Mr M know I'm saying um all this we're

[1:57:55] having here can go away if we come to

[1:57:57] the table we can discuss

[1:58:00] open-mindedly and we can have a budget

[1:58:03] we don't need all this we can have a

[1:58:04] budget if we come to the table ready to

[1:58:06] work we can deliver a budget we all need

[1:58:09] to compromise please there's no need for

[1:58:12] this let us go into this serious budget

[1:58:16] we have a different Council last year

[1:58:18] unfortunately there were a lot of turmo

[1:58:20] within ourselves

[1:58:22] this year we are working better M thanks

[1:58:25] to all of us are working together and

[1:58:27] we're respecting each other and that is

[1:58:29] a big big plus for us at this Council

[1:58:31] here we're in 7 months and look at the

[1:58:34] change that we made from last year to

[1:58:36] now so I think that we just need to

[1:58:38] approach this budget open communication

[1:58:41] ready to be flexible and calling from

[1:58:45] the president mayor council let's have

[1:58:49] open dialog going into this budget and

[1:58:51] we don't need this

[1:58:52] we're going to have a budget that is

[1:58:54] workable for

[1:58:56] everyone and we can make that

[1:58:59] happen point and whether we pass this time or not it's not going to be

[1:59:03] this year's budget what you're saying is

[1:59:04] what we have to do um because whe whe we

[1:59:07] do this isue or not we we can set an

[1:59:10] example this year to say what happened

[1:59:12] last year we all can make a commitment

[1:59:14] and say let's not let's not make that

[1:59:16] happen again but we need in order to do

[1:59:20] that we need everyone to come to the

[1:59:22] table to ready to discuss with an open

[1:59:25] mind and ready to be flexible and ready

[1:59:27] to compromise and move forward that's

[1:59:29] the only way we can achieve I agree I

[1:59:31] think we demonstrate things for the

[1:59:33] people in this demonstrate the capacity

[1:59:34] to do that thus far and I have faith in

[1:59:36] our full faith in our ability to do that

[1:59:38] moving forward um I would just add that

[1:59:40] again this is uh this particular uh

[1:59:43] piece of legislation isn't necessar

[1:59:44] about what we do this year or the

[1:59:47] following year but again it's speak

[1:59:48] supported to the qu checks and balances

[1:59:50] of how how we operate at the city

[1:59:52] government I gu next year though it

[1:59:54] would be it would be for 2025 right I'm

[1:59:56] saying but it wouldn't

[1:59:58] speak the the way I'm making my decision

[2:00:01] I'm part based on just what happened

[2:00:04] last year because we don't know what the

[2:00:06] future has more about checks and

[2:00:09] balances and that's where I'm trying to

[2:00:11] I'm trying toist checks and balances no

[2:00:14] matter who and that's so I think at this

[2:00:16] point you

[2:00:19] know so actually this this question is

[2:00:21] for the May so mayor are you open to

[2:00:23] anything other than what you've

[2:00:25] [Music]

[2:00:27] proposed of course I'm open to stuff but

[2:00:30] we made the commitment there was no

[2:00:32] action by the city

[2:00:34] council the timeline was running so I

[2:00:37] put forth a proposal which I think

[2:00:39] addresses the needs to the community as

[2:00:42] a whole in the budget process and you

[2:00:45] are locking into it because I think in

[2:00:48] sole remnants of the Democratic primary

[2:00:50] for mayor last year where you don't want

[2:00:52] the mayor which happens to be me to have

[2:00:55] some say in it that you perceive to be

[2:00:58] more

[2:01:00] uh influential and it should be well let

[2:01:03] me just um correct you there first and

[2:01:05] foremost I've never brought the primary

[2:01:07] however you have and you and your team

[2:01:10] said some very ugly things and including

[2:01:12] things and talked about myce mother but

[2:01:14] I'm not holding that against you I think

[2:01:16] I put that behind me in addition to that

[2:01:18] mayor since we really want to talk about

[2:01:19] this when I first became council

[2:01:21] president I made it a point of every

[2:01:23] single week almost coming to your office

[2:01:25] to say let's have a conversation that

[2:01:27] did not that was not reciprocal I was

[2:01:29] consistently you rarely reach out to me

[2:01:31] unless you had um won a piece of

[2:01:33] legislation so um I'm not that person

[2:01:36] things happen this is politics so I

[2:01:38] don't have anything against you

[2:01:39] personally I ran against you that

[2:01:42] happens people have run against me

[2:01:44] you've recruited people to run against

[2:01:45] me all of those things are happening yet

[2:01:47] I'm still here and I'm not holding that

[2:01:49] against you so it's it's not about the

[2:01:51] Democratic and I'm sorry that you even

[2:01:53] brought that up because that was never

[2:01:54] in my mind but clearly it's it's in

[2:01:56] yours and so in in terms of the council

[2:02:00] members I've reached out to council

[2:02:01] members and we've had meetings and we've

[2:02:03] had trainings together so me working

[2:02:06] hard to make sure this Council worked

[2:02:07] together is something once now that it's

[2:02:10] a new and different Council because

[2:02:11] let's just be honest there was a lot of

[2:02:14] contention with a former council member

[2:02:16] so it's not about fact there's remnants

[2:02:18] of a primary it's not about that but it

[2:02:20] is about that the council has a

[2:02:23] responsibility is the budget and for me

[2:02:26] to say that we automatically just revert

[2:02:28] back to to to the budget that's

[2:02:30] presented by the mayor does not mean

[2:02:32] that the council has has had their done

[2:02:35] what they should do in responsibility so

[2:02:37] when when I talk about this it's not

[2:02:39] about Gary mcth I'll go back to I

[2:02:41] believe it's just ineffective leadership

[2:02:44] that for 50 years we've been able to

[2:02:46] work out a budget last year we did me

[2:02:50] and you can't even move forward what is

[2:02:52] simple legislation now that's fairly

[2:02:54] simple and straightforward to clear up

[2:02:57] some ambiguity that exists within the

[2:02:59] chart I guess I would I would just offer

[2:03:02] that to disagree isn't a isn't a

[2:03:04] demonstration of incompetence leadership

[2:03:07] Mr respect I think that my conversations

[2:03:10] that I have with you again I will

[2:03:13] highlight the fact that you were able to

[2:03:14] make some concessions to move forward

[2:03:16] which you thought was in the best

[2:03:17] interest of the city and I think that

[2:03:19] President Porterfield um as from that

[2:03:22] same place I'm sure that there are some

[2:03:24] things that um have happened that have

[2:03:26] uh less left of bad taste in people's

[2:03:28] mouths but I don't think that that is

[2:03:30] going to um compromise our ability to do

[2:03:32] our job here um and again my my um

[2:03:37] disagreement is really more along the

[2:03:39] lines of the checks and balances of how

[2:03:41] we operate has zero to do um with uh any

[2:03:46] other underlying things and like I said

[2:03:48] in fact in this conversation we

[2:03:49] highlighted multiple times I up through

[2:03:52] conversations between we were able to um both make some concessions and get

[2:03:56] things moving forward so that's the case

[2:03:57] that we're operating is is there a p

[2:04:01] proposal well the mayor The Proposal I

[2:04:04] had that what my proposal was that if we

[2:04:06] pass the budget then the mayor could not

[2:04:07] beo our budget the mayor's saying that

[2:04:10] that's not um

[2:04:12] acceptable uh so for

[2:04:15] me so at this point I we'll just get

[2:04:17] down to this

[2:04:19] is around are we accept the motion um

[2:04:24] around calling for a public hearing

[2:04:30] um public hearing um understanding that

[2:04:33] I will be and as the chair this

[2:04:36] committee I will be presenting on some

[2:04:39] um May some alternative language for

[2:04:41] consideration of the council um and so I

[2:04:44] accept motion to

[2:04:46] support public

[2:05:11] so I have motions

[2:05:13] okay you feel so next item on government

[2:05:16] operation is a reminder renaming the

[2:05:19] street of be Village Lane Luigi Lane um

[2:05:23] community members and family members

[2:05:25] came uh to our previous uh council

[2:05:28] meeting and um committee meeting and

[2:05:31] really highlighted the importance of

[2:05:33] that happy to be a part of that want

[2:05:35] everybody know that the public hearing

[2:05:37] will be on

[2:05:39] 7:22 Mr chairman the council so wishes

[2:05:42] they can put that unanimous consent even

[2:05:44] know it's time for a Regal consideration

[2:05:46] pass that that unanimous consent excuse

[2:05:51] me you want you said it can go on for

[2:05:52] unanimous cons yes so you can pass the

[2:05:54] ordinance the same night public hearing

[2:05:56] there's even though it's not for

[2:05:58] original consideration you can wave that

[2:06:00] if you so desire pass have the public

[2:06:03] hearing and pass the so we're going back

[2:06:05] to number one yeah yeah but that but

[2:06:07] that doesn't require any action right

[2:06:09] now no no so you're say no no you're all done

[2:06:14] I'm just saying if you want to I'm just

[2:06:15] bring it to your attention you want to

[2:06:18] pass if we can come to an agreement that

[2:06:22] we all right

[2:06:27] that thank

[2:06:29] you yes I than to thank Mr B especially

[2:06:33] Mr Ren Schneider for the beautiful

[2:06:35] article and look is that thank you

[2:06:38] picking up on that putting the article

[2:06:40] out yes okay I have no other items wait was was Mr O'Brien talking about

[2:06:48] that it number two two no he he he was

[2:06:53] reminding us that for item number one

[2:06:55] that we could that that we had that

[2:06:57] there was so some mechanisms to move

[2:06:59] forward such as able to for the for the

[2:07:06] Luigi he wasn't talking about no no I'm

[2:07:10] sorry I'm I'm

[2:07:12] sorry I thought you talking about Luigi

[2:07:14] Lane that's what I'm talking sent to put

[2:07:17] that ordinance

[2:07:18] on okay call for the public hearing

[2:07:22] the no actually actually the public

[2:07:24] hearing you already

[2:07:26] passed right so you've already passed it

[2:07:29] so you can vote on that legislation it

[2:07:32] will yes

[2:07:34] 7 Public heing public hearing is coming

[2:07:37] up yes so you can vote on it that corre

[2:07:40] s still no action needed right

[2:07:43] now correct okay so with that said I

[2:07:46] accept motion to government

[2:07:49] operations second in favor hi thank you

[2:07:53] I would like to call the finance

[2:07:54] committee to order and the first item is

[2:07:56] the 2025 annual action plan allocation

[2:08:00] the public hearing is next Monday 700

[2:08:04] p.m.

[2:08:05] 29 Mr Cara do you have any update for us

[2:08:08] or we just go through the motion of

[2:08:10] having this public hearing and then you

[2:08:12] will update us have time okay the next

[2:08:15] item is authorize the commission of

[2:08:17] finance and deposit for the Consolidated

[2:08:19] local Street and Highway Improvement

[2:08:21] program Mr

[2:08:25] [Music]

[2:08:29] wallet every year in the state budget

[2:08:32] the state sets aside um State funding

[2:08:35] for Highway Improvement program uh we

[2:08:37] usually get a letter we did not get a

[2:08:39] letter this year but we did print out

[2:08:42] the allocations out of the New York

[2:08:44] State DOT budget and highlighted there

[2:08:46] it is uh the annual allocations are

[2:08:48] chips program extreme winter recovery

[2:08:50] pave New York State touring routes and P

[2:08:53] our pop pools um so this is just the

[2:08:55] acceptance of the fund so that we can

[2:08:57] put it into our accounts uh officially

[2:08:59] and draw down it for this year's payment

[2:09:02] program any questions comments on

[2:09:07] this Mr W just a comment there's a lot

[2:09:10] of Paving happening in Pleasant and I

[2:09:14] know you have a lot to do with that so I

[2:09:15] want to personally thank you the

[2:09:17] resident have send many thank you a lot

[2:09:20] of streets have been paved in the mon

[2:09:22] and neighborhood it's a good thing and

[2:09:24] across the city we have seen Paving

[2:09:27] continue to see Paving happening so

[2:09:29] thank you and thank you to all the staff

[2:09:30] and everybody who's involved a lot of

[2:09:32] people working hard to keep the roads up

[2:09:35] but

[2:09:37] y any other

[2:09:40] comments I have a motion don't move this

[2:09:43] second all in favor hi I any other

[2:09:46] business for

[2:09:47] finance motion to adjourn so move second

[2:09:50] all in fav

[2:09:52] hi thank you I'd like to call Border

[2:09:54] City development and planning we have 10

[2:09:55] items on the agenda the first one is to

[2:09:58] the award bid contact for this connected

[2:10:00] fire station number one Mr wall um so

[2:10:04] what we have here is the replacement of

[2:10:07] the existing HVAC system uh and

[2:10:10] installation of a new generator at our

[2:10:12] main fire station number one on beer

[2:10:14] Avenue as uh you will see we have two

[2:10:17] bids of a possible three um there is no

[2:10:20] Plumbing work in this contract the

[2:10:21] majority of it is mechanical um the

[2:10:24] general contractor there was no bids

[2:10:26] we're attributing that to the title of

[2:10:29] the bid when it was on bidet saying fire

[2:10:31] station HVAC and Generator so we put it

[2:10:34] out and uh made sure to call a lot of

[2:10:36] general contractors that we work with to

[2:10:38] make sure that they're aware that there

[2:10:39] is a general portion of it uh if you

[2:10:42] look at the bids these were some of the

[2:10:44] closest bids that we've ever received

[2:10:46] with regards to first to second the bids

[2:10:48] were extremely close um the low bidder

[2:10:51] is the person uh the company that is are

[2:10:54] doing our on call work so they are

[2:10:56] familiar with the station so that makes

[2:10:58] sense that they would be a little lower

[2:11:00] than some um and just so you're aware

[2:11:03] that the general this is uh different

[2:11:05] than normal contracts where usually

[2:11:07] you'll see a general contractor be the

[2:11:09] highest like with the pool 90% of the

[2:11:12] work of this project is mechanical the

[2:11:15] general contractor will be in charge of

[2:11:17] restoring ceiling tiles possibly uh

[2:11:20] repairing some walls

[2:11:21] but this is a very U small General we're

[2:11:24] expecting the general to come in

[2:11:26] somewhere on 250 Mark compared to the

[2:11:29] eer which is

[2:11:30] 1.1 so um we're comfortable moving these

[2:11:33] forward we have to move them forward now

[2:11:35] because we don't want the bids to become

[2:11:36] stale um we did wait one cycle to get

[2:11:39] this all together but we do want to wait

[2:11:45] another any questions

[2:11:47] comments second El in favor hi thank you item number two is for the

[2:11:53] award bid the award bidden contract for

[2:11:55] the purchase of City connected pre-cast

[2:11:57] contract concrete panel so

[2:12:00] yes

[2:12:02] sorry it's okay sorry um so what this is that as you remember we uh dedicated

[2:12:08] some I believe ARA funding and as well

[2:12:10] as some Sam money to the restoration of

[2:12:13] the existing historic wallet diamonds

[2:12:15] Park uh we previously awarded the labor

[2:12:18] portion of this once the labor was

[2:12:19] awarded um we wanted do this portion of

[2:12:22] it which was the actual pre-cast

[2:12:24] concrete panels themselves um we will be

[2:12:26] buying an excess of 400 pre-cast

[2:12:28] concrete panels um and capping the

[2:12:31] entire wall the cap should uh protect

[2:12:34] the wall for whe from weather and things

[2:12:38] um the loan bid that we got was within

[2:12:41] budget and is local uh they can meet our

[2:12:44] deadline so we are looking to move

[2:12:46] forward with this the deadline that we

[2:12:48] put in there for seeing delivery of the

[2:12:50] panels was September first we did talk

[2:12:52] with the Labor uh that we that we're

[2:12:55] looking to hire and they were okay with

[2:12:56] that um so we're looking to just award

[2:12:59] this and set up a system where we get a

[2:13:01] delivery of continuous panels until the

[2:13:03] project is

[2:13:04] done any questions comments this second

[2:13:08] all those in favor thank you president

[2:13:12] ask to be talking about Paving one

[2:13:15] question can you give us an update in

[2:13:18] terms of the Central Parkway side mark

[2:13:21] uh Central Park sidewalk it's out to bid

[2:13:24] yeah and it'll be back in we believe a

[2:13:27] week from Wednesday week from maybe two weeks from Wednesday but no

[2:13:32] it's out to bid um and yeah one of one

[2:13:36] of many things that is still up yeah

[2:13:38] thank you I've been getting a lot of Pi

[2:13:40] on no and we're we're looking to get

[2:13:42] that done this year we did put a

[2:13:43] deadline in it and the other thing that

[2:13:45] I did mention to the mayor is that this

[2:13:47] week steel is being set for the Kings

[2:13:49] Road Bridge um so that that's exciting

[2:13:53] to see thank you thank you for that

[2:13:57] update um item number three the smart

[2:14:00] grow Community Planning and

[2:14:06] Zoning good evening city

[2:14:08] council I am here calling for a

[2:14:11] resolution I'm looking for the city

[2:14:13] council to support the city of skn for

[2:14:16] New York State smart growth Community

[2:14:18] Planning and Zoning um Grant application

[2:14:22] so we are in the process of doing our

[2:14:24] comprehensive plan this grant will

[2:14:27] support phase two of that which will

[2:14:29] start in the summer of 2025 phase one

[2:14:31] will start um this full 2024 which is a

[2:14:34] community engagement the grant is the

[2:14:37] minimum application is 75,000 we plan we

[2:14:41] working with our consultant we estimate

[2:14:43] that phase two will be 85,000 so that is

[2:14:46] what we are applying for the One

[2:14:48] Financial stipulation is that we have to

[2:14:50] have a 10% local match which would

[2:14:53] roughly be

[2:14:54] 8,500 so I've given the language um for

[2:14:58] the resolutions on ask city council for

[2:15:00] support for the this for comprehensive

[2:15:04] so Bud for the that we have that

[2:15:09] yes any questions I'm second those in

[2:15:13] favor than thank you

[2:15:17] any we got to ask so the next item is

[2:15:20] the discussion rules of the form during

[2:15:21] Council meetings we had this on the last

[2:15:24] time and

[2:15:26] um the mayor says that it's not

[2:15:28] something that has to really be passed

[2:15:30] through the council and the only

[2:15:32] addition was that people would it would

[2:15:35] just top of people knowled that they

[2:15:37] were signing this and with signing that

[2:15:39] they follow so just want to bring that

[2:15:41] back that that's going to be um just

[2:15:44] added to to

[2:15:46] um to the rules and some people have a

[2:15:49] misunderstanding because I got an email

[2:15:51] stating that we were posting the rules I

[2:15:53] think you may have all got about posting

[2:15:56] the rules I don't remember that being

[2:15:59] said by the Wonder is that a good

[2:16:01] idea for some reason that that came

[2:16:03] across to an

[2:16:09] individual right yeah no they like post

[2:16:12] it

[2:16:13] [Music]

[2:16:14] on right so we'll just go ahead and add

[2:16:18] that the final uh items are for

[2:16:22] executive session for sale of

[2:16:26] property so at this time I Mo to

[2:16:29] Executive session

[2:16:30] second all in favor we in executive

[2:16:33] session members of

Schenectady City Council Committee Meeting, July 15, 2024

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