[0:00] first one would be who gets

[0:02] go is it

[0:11] just I'm just giving it a couple minutes

[0:13] for deani and dorian's making some more

[0:25] copies I'm just giving a couple minutes

[0:27] for danani and

[0:49] did I take the wrong folder

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[1:29] great

[1:32] oh

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[1:43] sorry I

[1:47] do have to

[1:49] get okay we'll start then we'll

[1:53] start um and I'm sorry about the the

[1:56] noise so I'll try to I'll try to talk

[1:58] loud I can turn that off

[2:01] it's just so hot i' have it on actually

[2:04] last week I thought I was going to die

[2:06] in here or whenever that was two weeks

[2:07] ago um so it was great that the Pool

[2:12] opened when it opened it was in the

[2:14] middle of like a heatwave

[2:17] sorry oh I'd like to I'd like to call

[2:20] Health and Recreation committee to order

[2:22] thank you very much for being here um

[2:24] Josh are you taking minutes excellent so

[2:27] Doren is dorine and I are on the

[2:29] committee and and John is a um

[2:31] additional city council member and we

[2:34] have three staff people so thank you

[2:36] very much I'm glad you're taking minutes

[2:39] um so the Pool opened um at the end of

[2:42] June and it was in the middle of a heat

[2:44] wve and thank goodness that it opened

[2:46] when it opened that was a very good

[2:48] decision and I appreciate that I was

[2:49] away on vacation sitting by the PO sh at

[2:53] that time um there are I what I've done

[2:57] however I had been looking at a bunch of

[3:00] rules prior to the pool open we have

[3:02] some rules posted at the pool and and

[3:05] Paul can talk to us a little bit about

[3:07] that we ke and I both have photos of

[3:09] that if um if you haven't been up there

[3:12] um

[3:15] but there's only there's only a few um

[3:17] rules that are listed on that sign at

[3:19] the new pool right now it's something

[3:21] like no firearms or knives no alcohol um

[3:25] no coolers no

[3:27] coolers um so so I think there's some

[3:30] other things that we might want to

[3:32] consider um as you look through these um

[3:35] then the other piece are fees um and

[3:39] you'll again you'll see as you look

[3:40] through these that that varies as well

[3:43] um I'm kind of you know obviously um my

[3:47] opinion is that I think that the pool

[3:49] should be free to um residents um I'm not so sure that the pool should be

[3:54] free to

[3:55] nonresidents um and there's even the

[3:58] possibility that we can talk about about

[4:00] whether

[4:01] non-residents um can use the pool I mean

[4:03] we've had very long lines for the most

[4:06] part so you'll see that some of the some

[4:08] of the pools as you look through this

[4:10] don't allow non-residents um I'm not

[4:13] sure if we want to do that I'm sorry

[4:15] about the the Troy one is very minor um

[4:18] South the pools in Troy right now are

[4:20] not even open um is my understanding

[4:23] from looking at their website because of

[4:26] Co um yeah because of the rise in Co

[4:30] they've actually shut down some of their

[4:32] at least that's what it says on their

[4:33] website I didn't call anyone at any of

[4:35] these places so what you have is Albany

[4:38] Troy

[4:40] um Mohawk River parking pool I can't

[4:43] remember if that's or glenvill

[4:48] Muna

[4:50] colony

[4:52] gildin and that's

[4:56] it that's as far as I went um in looking

[5:00] at these I didn't think we needed more

[5:01] than this I mean I have concern around

[5:06] um I mean I'm definitely concerned about

[5:08] um FAL matter in the pool so that has to

[5:11] do with you know the kinds of diapers

[5:14] that kids go on there's an overarching

[5:17] thing which is again we have young

[5:19] people that are our lifeguards um so in

[5:22] terms of enforcing it might be difficult

[5:24] for them to enforce some of this stuff

[5:27] so um so we really have to think this

[5:29] through but Paul did you want to share

[5:32] some of the things that you've been

[5:33] observing and

[5:35] hearing life c a great J boys ands does

[5:39] do a very good job um when it comes

[5:43] to trying to OB the goals when I went

[5:46] there this afternoon was one

[5:49] alteration sometimes kids just don't

[5:51] like to obey Authority and it's tough

[5:54] because life cards are just life cards

[5:56] they're in their V Su they don't really

[5:57] feel they have authority they try

[6:00] one police officer that's there come in

[6:03] and talk to him and then there a little

[6:05] bit of shouting out kid got of course

[6:08] the mother came over and got very mouthy

[6:10] to the police officer and then it come

[6:12] out you know but um you they were trying

[6:15] to do something at the deep

[6:18] end youth kep jumping in out the pool I

[6:22] think

[6:23] it's you know you're going to have the

[6:26] same things at all the there's going to

[6:28] be some

[6:30] that just want to plck the RO a little

[6:32] bit uh Ro balls are doing good one thing

[6:36] that I hear a lot is on a real hot days

[6:38] when there was a lne people couldn't get

[6:42] they and that's unfortunate but we do

[6:44] have a um you know a low limit in the

[6:46] pool is y people

[6:50] so sometimes there is a little bit of a

[6:52] wait to get into the pool um and uh the

[6:56] people who were outside for residents

[6:59] because they feel they had to wait they

[7:02] don't know who's in there for

[7:03] nonresidents they're waiting so those

[7:07] are decision Council have to decide on

[7:10] whether or not like you said you

[7:13] restrict it to just you know City

[7:15] residents in charge of fee

[7:19] um you know about what the time is I

[7:22] mean I've seen clients out there

[7:24] multiple days I'm

[7:26] thinking today was no wai the mother's

[7:29] cooling off now you know it's not like

[7:32] it was two weeks ago when we 90 M was

[7:35] everybody want to get in the pool and it

[7:37] was the new fact that's right everybody

[7:39] want to and everything we hear about the

[7:41] pool everybody loves the yes it's

[7:44] gorgeous it's just you

[7:48] know number of people can allow wom a

[7:51] railro day that's

[7:54] the so I was wondering about that in

[7:57] terms of um the 400 person limit and

[8:01] somebody so is it the two people that

[8:03] are at the front desk there that if

[8:05] somebody leaves how do they how they

[8:07] have a counter and they actually have to

[8:09] give an ID and sign in so we know who's

[8:11] in the yes sign that you know if one or

[8:15] two come out and they leaving then two

[8:17] in the

[8:19] line what if someone's not swimming it's

[8:21] all capacity 400 they the that it's hard

[8:25] because there are some people for in

[8:26] there that you know they're not so

[8:28] they're there with your children and

[8:29] they're

[8:30] you know they're there because you have

[8:32] to have an ad adult on the deck and

[8:33] there's some you know dads and moms that

[8:36] are just standing there watching the

[8:38] kids SM we know they're not they're not

[8:42] in but they still PR I'd have to check

[8:45] on how and and it's more understand it's

[8:48] the number of

[8:51] lifeguards based on the number of people

[8:53] inside the fence so if you're you know

[8:55] you're standing there sup tie you could

[8:58] jump in the pool

[9:01] not likely to

[9:04] happen Mo I thought

[9:07] about we can do it that's what but that is a good point because I've

[9:11] thought about just going over with a

[9:12] chair and a book you know but um you

[9:14] have to sit out true it's true it's true

[9:18] um and this in the 400 is for safety

[9:20] because that is different with the walls

[9:23] so left cards have to be all on the PO

[9:24] so they can see you know if somebody is

[9:27] against the wall in circle where the old

[9:29] pool is the visibility was a lot

[9:32] different because there's no wall right

[9:34] you can see so the 400 is limit for so

[9:38] let me ask something on with the old

[9:40] pool were there rules like this at all

[9:42] and also at qu and Bush at Front Street

[9:45] do they have this I mean obviously

[9:47] they're not probably not getting 400

[9:48] people but I mean basically the rules

[9:51] would be the same whole department rules

[9:53] are the same about replicating and

[9:55] urinating and having a you know

[9:59] swimming diaper um but you can't watch

[10:02] everybody when they're on dressing with

[10:04] their children and when you see it you

[10:06] go over and say something we only have

[10:08] to sh the PO down a couple times just an

[10:10] that um the new yeah um but it it's

[10:14] shortterm it's hour um you get it super

[10:18] fated um little cool you know it's even

[10:20] quicker because there's water there it

[10:24] can be cleaned and so when you have had

[10:27] to shut down the pool um I'm sorry sorry

[10:29] I'm just learning you know today too but

[10:32] um they have to leave the area vacate

[10:36] the

[10:38] area and that's where it gets a little

[10:41] bit

[10:42] um know little more difficult with now

[10:44] you got to get everybody out of the

[10:46] pool and you know they have to they have

[10:48] to go outside and wait till the pool

[10:50] gets up they got to wait that hour till

[10:56] the so meanwhile let everybody just hang

[10:58] and real

[10:59] parents drop their kids off they don't

[11:02] kids cellone call but it still creates a

[11:04] mob scene you know certain age they have

[11:07] to have the parent with them on

[11:09] the no I I just want to pull up my photo

[11:13] but um because I think there's only like

[11:15] three or four rules posted right there's

[11:18] two signs that are on one on the front

[11:19] and back that are the blue

[11:22] and white signs says warning tells you

[11:26] two or more adults 18 years or older and you know no diving of this um and

[11:32] then one on the back is the pool rules

[11:34] what you're inside and it's full hours

[11:38] the adult laps from hours capacity 400

[11:41] people subject to change with the

[11:42] Aquatic director's discretion waiting

[11:45] times um a 30 minute wait after the last

[11:48] slight sound of a storm and then there's

[11:50] a 60 minute wait time to allow for

[11:52] biological like I said for an hour it's

[11:54] find the pool just biological issue um

[11:58] no alcohol no no coolers no knives no

[12:02] firearms um is that sign inside the pool

[12:05] area yeah because I don't think I've

[12:07] seen that sign so this one is in the

[12:09] inside okay so there's actually a little

[12:11] bit more on that than than on the one

[12:14] outside then there's a life saving one

[12:16] that has to be posted for the

[12:18] 911 um and then they have a lot of um

[12:22] like paper rules like when the um visit

[12:26] visitors come in when they come in they

[12:28] sort of check in you have to sign you

[12:30] have to show the ID right there's a lot

[12:32] of papules I didn't grab pictures of

[12:33] that because there was kids all the

[12:36] RO but I do know that um I did talk to

[12:39] Julie what we'll do in the next couple

[12:41] days is get something to go on is

[12:43] realize that we don't have our rules on

[12:45] our website so um we should at least get

[12:49] what's

[12:50] posted on our website

[12:53] M I actually and I I I'm sorry about

[12:56] this I haven't seen that sign inside the

[12:58] pool so so there actually were probably

[13:00] more rules than I actually saw on that

[13:03] sign that was outside the pool area

[13:05] which is as far as I you know I've been

[13:07] there and I've been in to talk to the

[13:09] people at the front desk but I haven't

[13:11] actually well walked in obviously and

[13:13] they have some like I said there's some

[13:15] paper you know notices or signs you when

[13:18] they come in

[13:20] so okay um just a little bit of a

[13:23] learning curve from we had you know from

[13:26] the big Central par pool right

[13:29] so at the other pools are these are

[13:32] there rules posted as well there should

[13:34] be there used to be now kids have a

[13:36] tendency ripping them down or ripping

[13:39] the fence open as they did in um FR

[13:42] Street pool they had the fence open a

[13:44] couple times and got in and

[13:47] um did a little swimming and actually

[13:50] one day um we had to uh PD was there

[13:54] fire department was there so the

[13:56] ambulance and had to take a two

[13:58] individual

[13:59] by ambulance to the hospital too much po

[14:02] orange shoes too much heat and you

[14:05] really should swim one year like

[14:08] that transport to the hospital and they

[14:11] had stuck in and they weren't kids they

[14:12] weren't they were

[14:14] adults and obviously there's no fees at

[14:17] those at those pools at any of our other

[14:19] pools so that's also the other piece of

[14:21] this is you know whether the when we

[14:25] have rules would they hold true for all

[14:28] the R um I would think that that would

[14:31] be a I would say yes got to be around

[14:35] the board I think yeah I think it has to

[14:37] be the same at all at all the pools the

[14:39] hours are they consistent at all the

[14:41] pools no uh the other only pool weend

[14:45] Cal okay but that's the only the only

[14:49] difference among the pools right now no

[14:51] they have a because of the lap and

[14:54] resistance the hours are a little bit

[14:56] different and they also give the

[14:57] swimming lessons at Central Park because

[14:58] they always did that yeah so yeah so

[15:01] those hours are a little different at

[15:02] second part for assuming lessons and the

[15:05] um used to think of adults going for the

[15:07] lap pole but there's a lot of younger

[15:08] people that go in early in the morning

[15:10] and they're they're using the lap pole

[15:12] for exercise and the resistance walk so those hours are different because of

[15:20] them I mean I'm okay with those I mean

[15:22] obviously the hours being different

[15:24] because it is that is a different as a

[15:26] different facility right

[15:32] so is it noon to 6 General yeah

[15:45] ear do we track the visitors in who are

[15:49] using the PO on the daily basis where

[15:51] they're coming from um yeah I would

[15:54] imagine because they have to show their

[15:55] ID and they keep it I don't know if they

[15:58] record everything

[15:59] boys and girls I can check tomorrow

[16:01] morning and see if they actually keep

[16:02] the sheets usually it's a daily thing

[16:04] you show an ID just in case somebody was

[16:08] to get hurt at least they have a photo

[16:10] of them and they go is it something that

[16:12] you can present to the council like

[16:15] report to say one week how

[16:19] many they collecting zip

[16:22] codes where the people are from so it's

[16:24] not an

[16:25] exact

[16:27] address I can see what they have yeah

[16:31] the reason why I asked you want to see

[16:32] because we're talking about um fee for

[16:35] non-resident not maybe resident a fee or

[16:38] no fee for Resident so you want to see

[16:40] how many usage from out of

[16:43] town yeah I I I think that's a key

[16:45] question something just for us to kind

[16:47] of like looke and say yeah we have you

[16:49] know a few hundred people per week from

[16:52] all is using

[16:57] asol I guess um how do people feel about

[17:01] I think it's is let me just take a quick

[17:03] look here

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[17:07] again I'm pretty sure that Miss

[17:14] youa does not

[17:17] allow your resident only your resident

[17:21] only um so that's also I mean I think we

[17:24] have to make a decision about that we

[17:26] don't have to make a decision about any

[17:28] of this but I just that's something that

[17:30] it seems to me um I I completely agree

[17:33] with Paul um that the

[17:36] newness is you know has lent itself to

[17:39] some of the length of the lines but at

[17:43] the same time it's a beautiful it's a

[17:44] beautiful new pool and it it's only

[17:47] going to get I I not that I'm a

[17:49] scientist but it seems to me that our

[17:51] summers are going to be hotter and

[17:53] hotter um moving forward can we give

[17:56] preference to our residents because they

[17:58] to complain that people joining the lane

[18:00] they can't get in they have to um

[18:02] resident or getting in I we don't even

[18:04] know if that's true though yeah but

[18:06] that's just yeah we can look at the

[18:08] report and see how many but that's think

[18:10] we should consider is the preference to

[18:14] resident to use

[18:15] it and non-resident should be well

[18:19] non-residents without a resident with

[18:21] them as far as you know just say me and

[18:24] I bring my granddaughter who's a

[18:26] resident here but I'm not a resident

[18:27] here so I I think once we get some zip

[18:30] codes and find out exactly who's going

[18:32] there right I mean you want to bring

[18:33] your grandkids and that's a good point

[18:36] the grandkids could be out of town or or vice versa well yeah probably it's

[18:41] the adult that's the resident but the

[18:42] grandkids could be visiting or you could

[18:45] have any relative coming to town to

[18:46] visit you and how do you get them into

[18:48] the pool so that's another

[18:51] consideration um not and then the other

[18:54] piece is even the ID I mean I think Gary

[18:56] did you mentioned at our last meeting

[18:58] that um in the past um School IDs have

[19:02] been used correct what I'm being told

[19:04] though is School District collected the

[19:07] IDS year reissues in September so I

[19:11] don't know to what

[19:12] degree that is

[19:16] a

[19:18] functional component

[19:21] of I've been over there many times and

[19:24] just a joy of seeing these 12 13 15 16

[19:27] kids with towels and being with students

[19:29] and walking home and walking over to the

[19:31] park and coming and going so that's why

[19:34] like to know who's you know what's the the ZIP code is is pretty

[19:38] important I I think most of them are are

[19:41] residents but the ZIP code though even

[19:43] like when I think about our ZIP code um

[19:45] it's the same zip code for n i mean so

[19:48] the ZIP code isn't necessarily going to

[19:51] um tell us the full story but it is a

[19:53] starting point at

[19:56] least do we have any

[20:01] um do we have any we looking for

[20:05] reciprocal agreements with any of the

[20:07] other with

[20:09] or and N is all you have to drive there

[20:12] I mean I can't imagine anybody living up

[20:14] there a couple of

[20:15] homes um you know so they might have a

[20:18] little bit more of control over we

[20:21] definitely have kids as you said walking

[20:23] I see them all the time walking to our

[20:25] pool which is great it's it's really

[20:27] exciting and certainly the other like if

[20:29] you go up to um right Front Street yeah

[20:34] I mean definitely I think our our bols

[20:36] are are often walking to the pools

[20:40] um one I mean you can see in terms of

[20:42] the fees that um most of them have a

[20:45] different structure for um it would be

[20:47] SE like kids under a certain age get INF

[20:50] free

[20:52] um seniors might have a different or

[20:56] actually like for example I'm looking at

[20:57] Nuno right now they're their seniors are

[21:00] free

[21:01] um I I like all residents free yeah I do

[21:05] too um so I guess it would just come

[21:08] down to non-residence at this

[21:11] point

[21:14] I so I I don't know I don't think you

[21:19] know they were never charged for years

[21:21] over at um Front Street or um Hill Hurst

[21:25] or anywhere

[21:26] right uh to you you know the cost to

[21:31] operate the pools maintain the pools um

[21:35] they don't go down if keep going the

[21:37] repairs I mean have Front Street and

[21:39] black I need more repairs

[21:43] um you so you know if you're looking to

[21:48] try and offset some cost and you have to

[21:49] look at a way of doing it for revenue

[21:51] and the elated revenue is Fe if you

[21:54] don't Fe we

[21:55] have they're going to incur these costs

[21:57] going forward um chemicals going go up

[22:01] um y every year um just the cost of

[22:05] maintaining at that pool is very large

[22:06] it's got to be vacuumed

[22:08] um there's staff there on a regular

[22:12] basis every morning even though the

[22:14] vacuums are um robotic ones um we can't

[22:19] do them INE

[22:22] because unfortunate some will take them

[22:25] they cost a little over $3,000

[22:30] 3,000 um per per unit and we were trying

[22:34] to track the one down because we ordered

[22:36] two but only one came so purchasing is

[22:38] trying to track down what happened we

[22:40] didn't pay for the second one but you

[22:43] know where it went or it just got missed

[22:45] or it's just you know back ordered but

[22:49] um so we have sa that goes up there

[22:50] early in morning they have to check the

[22:53] water make sure it's meets requirements

[22:55] the health department before it can even

[22:56] open

[22:58] so um that's being done about pools so

[23:01] those costs go up every year because

[23:03] salaries and benefits go up every year

[23:05] chemicals go up every year electricity

[23:07] goes up every year um you know water we

[23:11] put in the F goes up every year um our

[23:13] budgets we see that so um it's just

[23:16] something whether or not we for the

[23:19] residents and we just incur the cost and

[23:22] that's

[23:24] it well me again I do feel

[23:28] it's middle of July right I mean right

[23:31] or end of July now I guess it's the end

[23:34] of July next week is August 1st um I

[23:37] mean I think anything that we're talking

[23:39] about probably wouldn't go into effect

[23:41] until next year the summer of 2025 I

[23:44] just wanted to get the ball rolling here

[23:46] um but we would have to know kind of

[23:49] what we want to do in terms of budget

[23:51] getting ready for Budget um because as

[23:54] you said I mean I know you'll be

[23:56] presenting um a budget that has the

[23:58] these increased costs um you know when

[24:01] you talk about the um staff that is

[24:03] going in early and you know doing the

[24:06] back that's that's not that's not not

[24:09] young people no those are you know our

[24:11] staff from the

[24:13] because they're certified to do the you

[24:15] have be certified to do

[24:17] the and because they're already

[24:19] operators whether the waterers waste

[24:21] water they're certified to do certain

[24:23] tests so they they can Comm in or we

[24:25] have to train the parks and waste water

[24:28] we do have people

[24:30] around at night and morning early rather

[24:34] than having somebody start at 4:30 in

[24:37] the

[24:39] morning you know and we have to look at

[24:42] I think this was a learning curve for

[24:44] boys and girls club too so whether or

[24:46] not you know based on their experience

[24:48] after the first season with the new pool

[24:52] what will they require next year and

[24:54] will

[24:55] their go all the fees for services there

[24:58] mhm so we can get that I mean again as

[25:02] we're this is just a preliminary

[25:04] discussion to try to start the ball

[25:05] rolling but um obviously that'll be

[25:07] something that'll play into you'll you

[25:09] know I'm sure you'll get that from while

[25:11] you're doing well so I know what I know

[25:14] what the fee is for this year they're

[25:16] charging okay it's in the budget um it's

[25:18] just you know after they get to

[25:21] um you after the season's over the end

[25:24] of

[25:25] August I can reach out to Shane and say

[25:28] you based on the first year you know

[25:30] what do we you know what are we thinking

[25:31] should we going to be somewhere you know

[25:34] maybe a 5% increase or we have so much

[25:37] problems there it's you know also what

[25:40] are we going to ask them to do that

[25:41] might be new if you want them to start

[25:42] taking in

[25:44] money they you they may need an extra

[25:49] person or two there because somebody's

[25:51] going to have to now take money make

[25:53] change give change so I you know I guess

[25:56] some is what we're going to want to do

[26:00] and

[26:01] then how are they going to

[26:03] charge

[26:05] um they're going to be doing

[26:11] that so I was um had a conversation

[26:14] about Shane um and it seems like there

[26:18] were like some issues there and I know

[26:19] that he's been working um with the

[26:21] police department to have a presence

[26:23] there from the the times that um I've

[26:26] been kind of more uh

[26:29] more kind of hot over there like more

[26:30] unintended like so there's been so he's

[26:32] having some police presence there to

[26:34] support that um and I just so I'm

[26:36] understanding what you're saying is that

[26:37] we probably would wait to see what

[26:39] utilization looks like and like what

[26:41] where we can identify whatever the

[26:42] trends would be to say okay so we want

[26:44] to plan for this trend that we saw last

[26:48] year that every when 3:30 to 6:30 was

[26:51] the time where they had like more issues

[26:53] with people so they're going to have to

[26:55] staff it more there so therefore their

[26:57] cost could reflect okay I mean we you

[26:59] know we we have a very good trend of

[27:01] what the other pools were FR

[27:04] Street Hill was open in the old Central

[27:06] Park we knew our EIC cost we knew

[27:08] everything and this is new for us now

[27:10] this is new pool so we have to see what

[27:13] our true costs were and you know I

[27:16] know you know we do have a police

[27:18] presence there now you know most of the

[27:20] day you know is that going to be

[27:22] something that's going to be carried on

[27:24] next year because that's a cost you're

[27:25] taking an officer off the street would

[27:28] be or is it an offic that's on

[27:31] overtime so for those roughly 9

[27:34] weeks may say this pool went so good

[27:37] maybe it's opened earlier maybe it's 10

[27:39] weeks now we opened a little early this

[27:41] year because it was

[27:43] new open because it was hot it was wied

[27:45] hot you know if we have a year like this

[27:47] next year you know are we going to plan

[27:50] to open a week early because that week

[27:52] is everybody's pay the salaries and the

[27:54] chemical for an extra week so um

[27:58] so there's a cost that we don't know the

[28:00] true cost yet as soon as the full closes

[28:02] yes we can figure it out um best we

[28:05] then chemicals be easy I know I know

[28:08] we're going to purchase um but it's it's

[28:13] the

[28:14] sappy so I know there's also some

[28:16] preliminary conversation with the school

[28:18] district I don't know if this was just

[28:19] kind of like a stop that measure right

[28:21] now to see like you know what the

[28:24] conversations have been how to like um

[28:26] some of the district support staff have a presence there because they know

[28:29] students and they know some of the

[28:30] community members and can help kind of

[28:32] like allate some of that concern I don't

[28:34] know if that's something that they're

[28:35] looking to do maintain and move forward

[28:37] is that just like hey right now it's a

[28:39] good response kind of all hands on that

[28:41] see if we can support people and I also

[28:44] are we in those coners are we in those

[28:45] conversations so no so so these

[28:48] conversations are between boys and girls

[28:50] club in the school district um and I

[28:52] haven't necessarily been part of those

[28:54] conversations either I just um uh was

[28:56] made aware of them so I'm thinking that I don't know if that's like

[29:00] something that they're looking for

[29:01] longevity or is that something that

[29:02] they're doing now we

[29:06] have call a PO monor somebody

[29:11] that you know that the people using po

[29:13] can respect a little bit

[29:15] more you realize you know the lifeguards

[29:18] are are young themselves high school

[29:21] students and they're there for a very

[29:22] important job they can't have their

[29:24] attention different places you turn your

[29:26] back and these arguments you when

[29:28] something happens yeah that's that

[29:30] wouldn't be cool at all whether or not

[29:33] that's why I'm hoping at the end of this

[29:35] season you know we talk to boys and

[29:37] girls about chain say you know hey life

[29:40] C things are fine as long as we can

[29:42] concentrate on

[29:44] life make sure nobody you know has an

[29:47] accent in the pool but maybe there has

[29:49] to be a couple other people that walk

[29:51] around more of the pool monitor to try

[29:54] and like the police officers right now

[29:57] he's really

[29:59] full monitor trying to you know which is

[30:02] I mean to have a police officer that's

[30:04] then we're taking somebody off the

[30:06] street which is so you know so needed on

[30:08] the street um I actually didn't know

[30:11] that there was a police officer so the

[30:13] police officer is there um all the time

[30:16] is it just at Central Park just Central

[30:18] Park he's there more afternoon is where

[30:20] the problems are um but they you know I

[30:23] see them go through I I hope there quite

[30:25] a bit you know and they're they're going

[30:27] through just

[30:28] patrols okay so they're not

[30:31] station one is station they

[30:34] were on call basis there some kids who

[30:37] were acting less than optimal so we've U

[30:42] the Staffing the presence there still

[30:45] somewhat on call they're

[30:48] not not publicizing whether they're

[30:51] going to be there or not because then

[30:53] kids who in a bad manner would adjust

[30:56] their schedule

[31:00] [Music]

[31:01] so I guess one more Point yeah I want to

[31:05] go back to the no yeah please continue

[31:07] on your um no go ahead with the point

[31:09] that so I also was thinking like about

[31:13] we're looking at utilization I know that

[31:15] right now we're not capturing data where

[31:17] people live and I and and I would I was

[31:20] saying I know we're not capturing data

[31:21] but people are in the city or out of the

[31:23] city right now

[31:26] [Music]

[31:29] first few days first week so it's not

[31:33] exact but

[31:35] criminal could

[31:37] sit 309 be City could be

[31:41] n 03 and 06 are

[31:47] also so I guess my point there was that

[31:51] if we're getting that information and

[31:52] not it might be to the mayor's point I

[31:55] mean might not be really really concise

[31:57] that but at least we can look at like

[32:00] that D should drive like our decision

[32:02] around like charging people right so

[32:05] like because if we have a lot of people

[32:06] that are coming from other communities

[32:08] that we know that you know we can charge

[32:11] them then it's a question sustainability

[32:13] so

[32:14] just yeah we did we did ask Paul for

[32:16] that so he's going to

[32:19] go bring that report to us and being

[32:24] that we having this conversation now

[32:25] would it be more would it be a better

[32:28] data point to find out if they live in

[32:30] the city not just their area code we can

[32:32] kind of get more concise like I would

[32:33] suggest that we just do that can can

[32:36] start doing

[32:38] that I mean again I I I actually was

[32:42] going to say the same thing but again

[32:44] know that for example I have friends

[32:46] that live in Nuna but their their snail

[32:50] mail

[32:51] address connect um so even that like

[32:55] somebody could write down connect but

[32:57] not necessarily be a SKC a city of SK

[33:00] well city of SKC resident people every

[33:04] day go to the golf course and want to

[33:06] say the city is connected the

[33:11] president so at the golf course well of

[33:14] course it's adult so they probably have

[33:15] do they show driver's licenses or

[33:17] something they do a secondary level of

[33:19] validation where they

[33:21] live years ago I had to bring a Nyo bill

[33:24] yeah that's over over there to the Alamo

[33:27] to get my

[33:28] years ago people who were generally du

[33:30] to be more than fluent were

[33:35] tring

[33:38] off and everybody wants to be from

[33:40] connected anyway

[33:42] let's

[33:44] um the because even I mean if there was

[33:48] a special IDE I mean we talked about the

[33:50] student the student IDs from the school

[33:52] district deani before you got here but

[33:55] um uh Gary pointed out that I guess

[33:59] those get collected at the end of the

[34:00] year and then reissued in September so

[34:03] that would be something that we have to

[34:05] um if we wanted to use the school IDs

[34:08] we' have we'd have to be talking with

[34:10] the school district about some of this

[34:11] stuff

[34:13] um that was the case John why don't we

[34:17] consider issuing an ID to use the pool

[34:21] and we charge them an administrative fee

[34:22] every year it's already on the books

[34:25] that there's a

[34:29] Recreation so that was one time used for

[34:32] golf course for tennis for

[34:38] other Recreation facilities we talk

[34:42] about

[34:43] the the recreation fund generally first

[34:47] the only thing to really take money in

[34:49] is the golf course right right it's

[34:51] intent was more broad based set up I

[34:55] think I think by doing that to with an

[34:57] idea kind of REM control you have

[34:58] control over it because if you don't

[35:00] have an ID you can use the pool a city

[35:03] isue ID you pay your administrative fee

[35:06] and you show and use it with your

[35:09] picture ID and your address I think

[35:11] that's a great idea something that you

[35:13] should consider it will help um staff it

[35:17] definitely will everybody be it help we

[35:19] could set it up so that um you know

[35:22] there was a certain time period that

[35:24] kids could first of all we could go to

[35:25] the

[35:26] schools if we needed to we could do it

[35:28] out school but I mean we could do it

[35:30] right at the pool um where we take the

[35:32] picture and and generate the the ID yeah

[35:37] you can you can done right there as they

[35:38] showed up the ID and you charge them the

[35:41] administrative

[35:44] Fe could be like the week before the

[35:48] pool have to go into a budget um I mean

[35:52] that's why I think that we really can't

[35:54] you know it's going to be a

[35:56] 2025 is there days that we're you know

[35:58] if you keep track even though the

[36:00] turnover the pool there you know it's

[36:02] 400 but you get there's been a thousand

[36:04] people in the pool through the day

[36:05] that's a th000 IDs you do that you know

[36:08] seven days that was like that 7,000 IDs

[36:11] you be making um I mean it just well

[36:15] some of those duplicate

[36:19] yeah

[36:22] come but you'd have to add in you know I

[36:24] mean if we're doing this I mean I would

[36:27] going to also do it for the other pools

[36:29] you see what I'm saying like it's not

[36:31] just um I mean they if they get a

[36:32] recreational ID they're getting that

[36:34] recreational ID for all you know what I

[36:36] mean it's like one I one card but I mean

[36:39] you know it would be are they because

[36:43] right now I don't think they show

[36:44] anything right at idea at quack

[36:48] bu yeah because it's the same thing the

[36:51] life guards need to know who's in the

[36:52] pool okay so they are like they're

[36:55] signing I you know I never all the time

[36:57] going up there we can never saw that we

[36:59] can have the IDE General to use um city

[37:02] pools it'd be kind of I bet kind cool

[37:05] thing I mean like res res chargement fee

[37:08] for that ID but if it's on the computer

[37:10] they get your doctor's office you give

[37:11] your name all of a sudden it pops up my

[37:13] picture and they don't have to carry

[37:15] anything they know they're going to lose

[37:17] it a thousand times because I was

[37:19] thinking that if we it likely will be a

[37:23] couple different acceptable forms of ID

[37:26] because what we want to do is is we

[37:27] don't want to we want to be really

[37:29] intentional about increasing access to

[37:31] the fail we want the kids to be able to

[37:32] do it so when we talk about any cost

[37:34] that people have to ur we have to take

[37:36] into consideration of you know some of

[37:38] our residents who might um who might not

[37:41] have uh you know their cousin or someone

[37:44] with a pool or something like that and

[37:46] they might not have that money to access

[37:48] the pool we want to make sure that they

[37:49] could do it we also would have to

[37:51] consider the fact that there's a lot of

[37:52] students that are that live in SKC but

[37:56] go to Charter School schs or you know or

[37:59] private schools or even home tutoring to

[38:01] where a a student ID if we're using the

[38:04] state school district wouldn't be

[38:05] applicable for right um so but I think

[38:08] that if like no different than the DMV

[38:10] like you know you have like a list of

[38:12] acceptable things like maybe like a a

[38:14] school report card or something that that we can say okay this proves

[38:19] that you live um in the city as connect

[38:23] and then we can generate whatever that uh idea that's going to look then

[38:27] you know I would just say let's just be

[38:28] mindful about like not everyone has you

[38:31] know it's going to have a student ID and

[38:34] obviously my main thing is not

[38:36] everyone's going to have money to to

[38:38] again I think we were talking about

[38:39] residents basically being frck right right right I brought it up a general ID so

[38:47] you don't have to walk with your utility

[38:49] bill you don't have one you don't access

[38:52] you have a general ID and you have

[38:54] access so we centralize everything

[38:56] across all the tools

[38:58] how charge for that I mean like you know

[39:02] Char non residents or

[39:04] residents get the ID to get the ID is

[39:06] going to cost us so we have to pass that

[39:08] cost back to so to

[39:12] everybody and they would have to renew

[39:14] it every year I mean we might be able to

[39:17] again we're again I feel like a little

[39:19] bit like we're getting ahead of ahead of

[39:21] ourselves but I mean in that particular

[39:23] case we also can I mean the idea of

[39:27] talking with the school district is

[39:29] maybe the school district helps to put a

[39:31] bill for X number of IDs for their

[39:35] students I don't know that they're

[39:37] already putting the idea how do you get

[39:39] away from duplicates so if you had kids

[39:42] that have a city school district ID we

[39:46] accept that and as Farley's point out

[39:50] there some kids may not have that so how

[39:52] do you fill the Gap with that so you

[39:55] know you still may make it access so you

[39:58] have to pay $2 to get it and

[40:02] it's valid for so many years I think the

[40:07] two bucks would probably cover our

[40:09] processing

[40:11] costs I think the county did something

[40:13] like with the library cards

[40:16] like I'm sorry no I'm saying like I know

[40:19] the county did something like to where

[40:20] the library cards the cost of a library

[40:22] card um um was greatly reduced and then at one point you can go get

[40:27] library card at no cost we we don't

[40:29] charge money for our library cards um I

[40:31] can't remember if there's a replacement

[40:33] cost if I lose my no actually there is

[40:35] not a cost because I actually did have

[40:37] to go in and get a new card recently and

[40:39] I wasn't charged for that but we what we

[40:42] did was get rid of the FES um as well we

[40:44] have no fines for overdue books right so

[40:47] that that was that was us eliminating a

[40:49] barrier uh to to access because we

[40:52] wanted to make sure the kids were and

[40:54] adults uh were were doing that there is

[40:57] still a replacement cost if you have a

[40:59] book that gets lost sure um there is a

[41:02] replacement cost for that but I like the

[41:05] school ID I hear what you're saying but

[41:07] I guess and again it would me need a

[41:09] little bit more research but when I

[41:10] think about like Destin prep um they

[41:13] probably have school

[41:15] IDs they probably have some sort of ID

[41:18] for their own students at or a Catholic

[41:20] School like have they don't have ID but

[41:24] the right so so we're saying the same

[41:26] thing I'm not saying either or I'm

[41:28] saying yes and like like let's if the

[41:30] school district can be a resource that

[41:32] where kids are getting this anyway then

[41:34] it's like because if you have connected

[41:35] the city school district you City

[41:38] connect I mean that that would be right so that might cover I don't know

[41:42] 90% of our students then we're only

[41:44] working with maybe that 10% of the

[41:46] school population that live in that are

[41:48] come visiting the pool and maybe only 5%

[41:50] of them go to different schools so it's

[41:53] like we're just building some things so

[41:55] you know we can accept different forms

[41:57] based on what people's situation is but

[41:59] I'm really my my largest concern would

[42:02] be that that charging people even

[42:04] residents kids to get in the how do we

[42:07] moove that if we can obviously this one

[42:09] I mean I think Doren pointed something

[42:11] out at the beginning of the meeting also

[42:13] which is that for example if I had

[42:15] somebody visiting from out of town um a

[42:18] niece or you know brings their two

[42:20] children um I'd want to get those kids

[42:22] in too so in that sense um it's me

[42:25] showing me my ID as a resent

[42:28] um and then paying perhaps for

[42:30] non-residents that I'm bringing with me

[42:33] uh to to enter into the pool in that

[42:35] case it's not a school ID but that's

[42:37] easy right I mean I've got my driver's

[42:39] license or you know something else some

[42:41] of the other pools do have um for

[42:44] example like a fob kind of thing but

[42:47] that would be expensive um I think to

[42:51] have to create something like that and

[42:53] give out a fob to kids I don't really I

[42:56] don't know what do you think

[43:01] probably uh again like our city

[43:05] IDs are ability to be encrypted so that

[43:09] they can be used for

[43:11] Access so those I don't know what the

[43:15] cost for a blank

[43:18] is it's minimal

[43:27] well Cony

[43:28] allows three nonresident guests per

[43:31] resident yes that's right there's I mean

[43:34] some of these have I mean I guess what

[43:35] I'm going to need you all to do is take

[43:37] a look at these um we'll have to have

[43:39] another

[43:42] meeting because this is too much this is

[43:44] really too much to absorb all at once

[43:47] but you can see the differences I was

[43:49] going to try to figure out how to um

[43:52] what's the word take this information

[43:55] and kind of make a chart for you not

[43:57] exactly but I I think we're all in agre

[44:00] the vill shouldn't be a resident charge

[44:01] but I do like a a recreational fee for

[44:06] the ID with um uh certain circumstances

[44:10] of not being you know you got 10 kids uh

[44:13] you know $10 is a lot of money and could

[44:16] be looked at on a family basis but for a

[44:18] couple bucks just to cover the cost of

[44:20] something that and the books is a fee to

[44:24] play at the tennis

[44:25] courts right we don't charge that

[44:28] because it was costing us more to

[44:30] collect the money than what the people

[44:32] were paying now do you go back and do an

[44:36] annual charge of 10 bucks or something

[44:39] for

[44:40] people I make you say are encrypted

[44:43] thing I mean they have to have that to

[44:45] even open the gates to the to the tennis

[44:47] courts I'm just saying right that's

[44:49] possible but you one person that has the

[44:53] let everybody

[44:55] in Colony has the for their 18 over you

[45:00] get get a problem but no

[45:05] chargeall that one's in here I have in

[45:09] here and not get off cool you know have

[45:12] meeting with regards to pickle ball

[45:14] today and the same thing they we took

[45:16] some Brian can and I and

[45:20] um Richard under and

[45:23] um about signs the rules and regulations

[45:27] for pickle

[45:27] ball um and whether or

[45:31] not the council end up setting fees for

[45:35] pickle ball or is that just going to

[45:37] be the questions came up I don't know

[45:39] you know I mean that's you know we have

[45:41] fees like the mayor said

[45:43] for we had trouble to sta somebody there

[45:46] to try and collect the fees um we get

[45:50] all the fees um the Seas it sits there

[45:54] and some residents are very ad that um

[45:58] they're not paying a feed they said they

[46:00] came out to me and told me I'm a I'm a

[46:02] taxpayer I'm not paying a

[46:04] feed for the cours no the tennis courts

[46:08] for the tennis we you know we in

[46:10] 2022 Council approved a resolution and

[46:13] set fees for Resident non-resident

[46:15] nonprofit and a commercial entity but

[46:19] you know but there's not really anybody

[46:22] there collecting those fees no you know

[46:23] and how do you tell somebody your hours

[46:25] up we need another $15

[46:28] um it's just and pickle ball because I

[46:31] played the winter down at the Li and

[46:33] that's where the M pickle ball Club

[46:35] plays and then they moved their outdoor

[46:37] session to that's rich younger right Rich younger and I'm like they're

[46:43] like but if if I showed up and I'm not a

[46:45] member of the the Le um I could put my

[46:49] you put your P there you so they rotate

[46:52] you in but still I'm a resident I show

[46:54] up with John and Josh and I'm on to play

[46:56] but we can't play together because you

[46:58] have to be rotated in we charge that

[47:01] Mohawk do we charge them to use this no

[47:04] you we discussed it today IM but it's

[47:07] public park or somebody want to play you

[47:09] know there there is the you know good

[47:11] Sportsman where if you're on there I

[47:13] knowall you know it lasts anywhere from

[47:16] 15 minutes you know up to 11 once you're

[47:19] playing me it's 3

[47:22] minutes you know and then would you get

[47:24] off the court to let somebody else play

[47:26] and there's and you know I said I can't

[47:29] have anybody

[47:30] dominated you know I I I again this is

[47:33] just hearsay but I definitely have heard

[47:36] that perhaps there is that particular

[47:38] leag is kind of dominating those courts

[47:42] and they own those

[47:45] Sports so and Valley to you know I said

[47:50] some basic signs and we'll do some

[47:52] things but people from everybody else is

[47:56] from

[47:57] oh yeah no I over 200 members even when

[48:00] we were starting to talk about those

[48:03] ports I we got a hard time from from him in particular because we were

[48:07] putting him up there and not down in The

[48:09] Stockade and it was like you know I said

[48:12] Rich we're talking like a a f minute

[48:14] drive or something I mean it's not

[48:17] like we can't do everything the should

[48:20] go forwards we got this great swimming

[48:23] facility you got the great a DI

[48:28] great pickle B pickle ball is there

[48:30] music C is there we have to have some

[48:33] money coming in for routine maintenance

[48:36] and some of the staffing issues it's not

[48:38] like we're going to make huge amounts of

[48:41] money on it but to maintain the level of

[48:43] quality so that people can enjoy it uh

[48:48] it's got to be a lower

[48:50] eff he said that it's the way the courts

[48:53] were designed there you don't walk

[48:55] behind other players all never Leed to

[48:57] court and everybody loves how Hill horse

[49:00] was designed and oh yeah they love it up there they love it sort

[49:05] of like you know the a DI it's like our

[49:07] golf course now everybody comes to play

[49:08] golf

[49:09] here that's right the good the good

[49:12] problems they have

[49:13] right we have you know we have like just

[49:16] high class facilities in all these

[49:18] situations but tennis has book

[49:20] constantly on my phone between USDA and

[49:23] love they're just there constantly and you know most cours need some work

[49:28] they want to stay there they bring

[49:30] people in from all over at least USA now

[49:33] they've given us they gave us a break on

[49:35] the um on something Chris Chris W

[49:39] presented to us what were

[49:41] they well they're giving us money or

[49:44] they're

[49:45] contributing this point a half million

[49:47] dollars toward the upgrade to the

[49:49] facility yeah so but you have to

[49:52] remember it sounds

[49:55] impressive they have a revenue stream to

[49:57] support that so they kind a big

[50:00] following people want to come here

[50:02] people want to

[50:04] uh take advantage of that facility so

[50:07] you know again we want to work with them

[50:09] we want to make it happen

[50:11] and don't want to discourage you right

[50:16] so where do we go from here guys in

[50:18] terms of I mean I I feel like I need you

[50:21] guys to take a look at this stuff and sort of come up with the with the

[50:25] best of of what is we've got time

[50:28] because like we said well what we don't

[50:30] have time for is we need to make sure

[50:32] that the budget for 2025 is going to

[50:34] include you know whatever we need but um

[50:39] in terms of like I mean at this

[50:42] point I don't I want to hear how you

[50:44] guys feel but I don't think we can

[50:45] necessarily like change rules right now

[50:49] when there's probably like you know a

[50:50] month and a half left I

[50:53] agree we we can't add anything now I

[50:56] don't

[50:57] no we'll have to modify our signs

[51:01] maybe

[51:02] signs yeah I mean there's no smoking in

[51:05] the park there's no smoking in the pool

[51:08] area people are not necessarily

[51:11] compliant I

[51:13] know and that's where I think the kids

[51:16] are probably having a hard time

[51:17] enforcing stuff like that I'm sorry me

[51:20] that no parking on the lawn signs um the

[51:24] guys up there and tell me they're

[51:25] constantly asking people to park on the

[51:28] lawn and being threatened and who's

[51:30] going to because anyway they're looking

[51:33] for no parking on the lawn

[51:36] signs and smoking or vaping that face

[51:41] well that is that yeah cuz that's not on

[51:43] the sun says no alcohol no glass no

[51:45] coolers no knives no firearms and but

[51:48] there's nothing about smoking I mean

[51:56] people are smoking all over the park

[51:59] believe me it's just not I was in such a

[52:02] bad mood at the music when I was in the

[52:04] concession stand two weeks ago that I

[52:06] literally like went up to be I was like

[52:09] heading towards people to like grab

[52:11] their cigarettes somebody else no I know

[52:13] but somebody else somebody else cut me a

[52:16] different volunteer like got there first

[52:19] and and said sorry you Cann not be

[52:20] smoking here um so I said yes I turned

[52:23] around and right back into the

[52:24] concession stand but um I know

[52:26] individuals too have problems with those

[52:28] Cabanas people are putting up Cabanas

[52:31] those

[52:32] tents should can't be inside inside so

[52:36] people are claiming like their little

[52:37] 4x4 with

[52:39] the tents yeah and and for the infant

[52:43] one um I know in

[52:47] beachs you can't have any only have the

[52:50] unell that but there's a rule that you

[52:53] can have the um there's an infant t no these

[52:57] are like t t they should not be and also

[53:01] umbrellas because on a windy day they

[53:04] don't secure them here comes the

[53:05] umbrella about the down I've seen lots

[53:07] of people with umbrellas I I I agree I

[53:09] the sh there's no place to secure unless

[53:11] you put it through our asro tur be

[53:13] problem well that's right I've seen

[53:15] umbrellas there you have to hold

[53:18] it so

[53:21] agree nexton comes a lot of different

[53:24] rules you know some of the sign we're

[53:26] going to have to modify take a sign down

[53:28] and we do it in house modify the sign so

[53:32] that um you

[53:34] know the basic rules there could be a

[53:36] list of maybe 16 or 20 rules that are

[53:39] there to be followed um you know we we

[53:43] work on that off season and have already

[53:47] just

[53:48] whatever is decided upon what put rules

[53:53] and regulations in terms of timing I

[53:56] mean in terms of like actually coming up

[53:58] with pool rules which would again I just

[54:00] want to reiterate that would be across

[54:02] the pools of SKC not just the Central

[54:05] Park although the hours going be

[54:07] different because of the laps and you

[54:09] know that kind of thing um we have time

[54:12] right I mean we we probably wouldn't

[54:14] need to like sort of finalize something

[54:16] like that no I mean the

[54:19] science well no you can move at your own

[54:23] pace you have to have some level control

[54:26] will be able to manage the facil so that

[54:29] my to do some things and

[54:33] most things looking do is what I call

[54:36] common sense it's not right like you

[54:39] need an act to Congress to get people

[54:43] to but you will get people who challenge

[54:45] it and say where's the sign says I can't

[54:49] smoke it's over on right Avenue when you

[54:51] come in it's in the city

[54:54] cover well I that's up to I mean what do

[54:57] folks feel I mean we can either you know

[54:59] take a look at this and try to come up

[55:01] with a broader list um and try to get

[55:04] signs up if it sounds like that's what

[55:07] you would actually want to have

[55:09] happen well yeah the other thing I want

[55:14] something

[55:15] that's more standardized so there might

[55:19] be some modifications for quack at a

[55:21] bush or Front Street but it's got to

[55:24] kind of make sense on a wide basis so

[55:27] that we don't get people shifting from

[55:29] one place to the other

[55:31] [Music]

[55:33] to find a loophole and create a problem

[55:36] no I I completely agree with that and

[55:39] whatever rules you put up you will still

[55:40] get people who will try and work an

[55:44] angle something it's golf course we post

[55:48] you can't bring

[55:50] alcohol the golf course you can buy it

[55:54] people oh yeah sneak Con in their golf

[55:59] bag whatever and you know

[56:02] it's one isolated thing isn't

[56:06] necessarily an issue you get more more

[56:08] people doing it and you get people who

[56:12] tend to make poor choices where you get

[56:14] glitter you get them doing other things

[56:16] that

[56:19] are just

[56:21] inappropriate I'd like to see no smoking

[56:23] and vaping signs at all of our Parks

[56:25] because I stopped bringing Ella to South

[56:28] Park because I was getting in so many

[56:29] arguments over there um and I didn't

[56:31] want to get into a

[56:34] altercation I don't know where it is the

[56:39] FDA said that they would provide us sign

[56:43] for the entire park system Michelle was

[56:46] following up on that so they would be

[56:50] things that are kind of standardized

[56:52] National level I think they have some of

[56:54] the educational components in it to you

[56:59] know tell people the reason

[57:01] why be smoking should be vaping

[57:05] should that probably the woman that

[57:07] comes

[57:10] um yeah the to she probably has has

[57:13] stuff like that also they do have sign

[57:15] in the past they had a partner with us

[57:17] provide they didn't provide this was

[57:20] federal government I was trying to scr

[57:22] money over who we can we successful

[57:25] sometimes uh we should reach to them and

[57:27] try to get some signs from them I would

[57:29] like to see maybe that education

[57:31] component because that's kind of like

[57:32] what they're charged with and if we can

[57:34] engage some of our younger people in the

[57:37] community to participate in that maybe

[57:39] even in that signage piece like they're

[57:42] therefore you know we can kind of be um

[57:43] leveraging their mission and there's

[57:46] some education and then you get some

[57:48] buying from the community too if people

[57:51] are part of the process so I maybe we

[57:53] just talk to them about like maybe of

[57:55] community project that we want to work

[57:57] with them on around sign Elementary

[57:59] School poster contest yeah something

[58:01] like that that can that can engage

[58:03] students

[58:06] iation uh um restroom

[58:11] monitors anything I I know there's been

[58:13] a lot of

[58:14] flushing I mean we we increased the um I

[58:18] think one of the problems was the

[58:20] fixtures that were there were low flow

[58:23] to sa water okay

[58:26] to a a higher rate to to take some of

[58:32] the St because I know I heard about the

[58:35] one there was one issue that I heard

[58:36] about with somebody sticking something

[58:38] down there was a piece of rebar there

[58:41] which could have came dur construction

[58:43] it just fell in there just didn't get

[58:45] noticed and was removin products so we

[58:49] did put more of the high rate fixtures

[58:54] in have we been having any problems with

[58:56] diapers or anything like that in the

[58:58] restrooms no um people still put wipes

[59:02] in and you know we're checking when I

[59:05] was up there this afternoon one of the

[59:08] guys water plant was checking me the new

[59:10] St pumps that they have up there so it's

[59:13] just more animal quaintance thing and um

[59:16] you there are just certain items that

[59:18] shouldn't

[59:19] go I know are there signs like there are

[59:21] in any public restroom on haven't in the

[59:24] lady room okay

[59:27] I can't remember now more of the

[59:28] problems are in the women's bathrooms

[59:31] yeah yeah so

[59:33] um I'll check that out also

[59:38] um CU those signs I mean those are just

[59:42] dur in terms of going to a restaurant

[59:44] and make sure there's recepticles there

[59:46] that have a choice to put them in if

[59:48] they're not what happens is some you

[59:49] know they bring a you know young baby in

[59:52] and they're changing the paper and

[59:54] they're just throwing something in in

[59:55] the toilet

[59:57] and if it doesn't get flush the next

[59:58] person in they're throwing more stuff

[1:00:01] and then there's a point where it it

[1:00:04] can't take all that you know it's um you

[1:00:06] know if you're going to use it it's got

[1:00:07] to be flush but you can't just put a lot

[1:00:10] of material in there um you know wipes

[1:00:13] use on the end you know babies and stuff

[1:00:15] to clean them off in in a diaper they

[1:00:17] got to go a

[1:00:19] can

[1:00:21] not so do we so I mean I think the other

[1:00:25] thing is the well you know a child of a

[1:00:28] certain age has to be accompanied by an

[1:00:29] adult me we don't have but we don't have

[1:00:32] that posted right yeah but we do

[1:00:34] have okay what is the age that we have I

[1:00:37] can look it

[1:00:41] myself it is sign so under 13 two more

[1:00:45] adults 18 years older must be president

[1:00:47] pool and use with at least one adult on

[1:00:49] the pool deck children less than 16

[1:00:51] years old must at all times be

[1:00:52] accompanied by a parent or guardian or

[1:00:55] similar responsible for their safety and

[1:00:58] behavior while at Bing facility all

[1:01:01] Waters yeah and there's going to be some

[1:01:03] things have be modifi because you know

[1:01:05] when we first started we you know we

[1:01:07] thought you know what is it way me a lot

[1:01:11] of 13y olds don't want to be with their

[1:01:13] mother at the pool you know it's just

[1:01:16] you know so somebody's going to have to

[1:01:19] decide what is the appropriate age level

[1:01:22] for a youth to be at the

[1:01:24] pool you know I mean you read the swim

[1:01:27] test in there lot of even Lake mour a

[1:01:29] lot of people have to pass that's where

[1:01:31] we

[1:01:33] can if I was 1 my mother was standing

[1:01:37] there watching me

[1:01:38] just

[1:01:40] yeah that would probably would have gone

[1:01:42] to the pool back yeah this one Albany

[1:01:45] definitely has children under the age of

[1:01:47] 13 um and if they they have to leave the

[1:01:50] water and sit on the pool deck until

[1:01:51] their parents have returned um but again

[1:01:55] I mean I come back to

[1:01:58] it's we have to talk to Shane as well

[1:02:02] into these discussions because I mean

[1:02:04] you know we got to make sure that the

[1:02:05] kids are comfortable enforcing these

[1:02:08] rules you know and that's the we things

[1:02:11] out of the you know what you've provided

[1:02:13] to the even they're allowing things um

[1:02:16] again I think what we want is just

[1:02:18] people dropping you know kids off and leaving them I mean when I was young

[1:02:24] I Dro hard pool

[1:02:27] I don't think they really careed who was

[1:02:29] there with you I mean there was young

[1:02:31] kids there I mean um you know we just

[1:02:35] walk from diam homes and took your

[1:02:37] little brother with you and you kind of

[1:02:40] watched them at K why you were the

[1:02:42] bigger pool but I mean you know it are

[1:02:45] different now yes

[1:02:48] you it's you what do we feel

[1:02:52] is is a safe age to have somebody there

[1:02:55] where

[1:02:56] you know and how many you know during

[1:02:59] the week how many parents they're

[1:03:00] working right can really you

[1:03:04] know 16's I think 16's kind of

[1:03:09] old not my decision something we don't

[1:03:12] have to be comfortable with that we feel

[1:03:14] safe um

[1:03:17] and help

[1:03:19] too I and I I I apologize I should have

[1:03:22] thought of that I should have probably

[1:03:24] um thought about

[1:03:26] having boys and girls club we

[1:03:29] knew so oh no I know I just wanted to

[1:03:31] get the balls I just wanted to get the

[1:03:33] balls when I spoke to Shane he really

[1:03:36] didn't know too much because he hasn't

[1:03:37] been there right so Julie is right oh

[1:03:40] yeah Julie is there is she a director of

[1:03:42] Education I think yeah and she's she's

[1:03:44] at the pool quite a bit she go she was

[1:03:46] there this afternoon was there um and

[1:03:49] you know she to give us some you know

[1:03:51] some guidance and you know after being

[1:03:53] there at 16 right age of 14 and 13 I

[1:03:57] mean you know I we'll

[1:04:01] have be a little lot better place make

[1:04:04] sure

[1:04:05] when so should we I guess my question is

[1:04:09] when do you want to get together again

[1:04:10] to um to think about this and we

[1:04:13] obviously I

[1:04:15] think I mean do you need do we need to

[1:04:18] do something that's going to go for the

[1:04:21] rest of the summer I'm feeling no I I I

[1:04:25] just want on that the real point of

[1:04:28] contention is going to be a fee

[1:04:29] structure so what are you going to

[1:04:33] charge basically

[1:04:35] nonresidents having said that are there

[1:04:37] scenarios where you charge some

[1:04:38] residents

[1:04:40] for referred swim times or other things

[1:04:44] for the people that are going in there

[1:04:46] may be some of those scenarios you want

[1:04:48] to look at the core of having

[1:04:53] kids from the city out using these

[1:04:56] facilities should be done at

[1:04:59] the most minimal cost so that they're

[1:05:03] basically going in for

[1:05:06] free

[1:05:08] that's yeah I mean this you know it's

[1:05:12] kind of high I think I mean how much do

[1:05:14] they charge they're charging 10 bucks

[1:05:16] for well an adult 13 years in is that

[1:05:20] season

[1:05:24] um no that's a daily rate they have SE

[1:05:28] at Nuna they have Season Pass rates and

[1:05:31] they have daily rates and so yes I mean

[1:05:33] um 314 for a year for a family that's in

[1:05:37] the same household it doesn't say that

[1:05:39] there's a size to the to that not at all

[1:05:41] um if you wanted to go in as and do lap

[1:05:44] swim it's $15 for the whole season um

[1:05:48] but then they have daily

[1:05:49] rates um and I just I mean the children

[1:05:53] under under two years are free two years

[1:05:56] to 12 years it's $6 and so that would be

[1:05:59] like literally every time somebody went

[1:06:00] to the pool a kid they'd be paying six

[1:06:03] bucks per

[1:06:04] kid um so I mean I probably are hoping

[1:06:08] that they're going to come get the

[1:06:09] season pass could yeah no I'm sure

[1:06:12] that's what they're trying to do they're

[1:06:13] trying to sell season pass they want you

[1:06:15] to buy the season pass because they know

[1:06:16] you're not going to cut every day they

[1:06:17] also I mean I felt that this was a

[1:06:19] little complicated they have three

[1:06:20] different seasons even they have early

[1:06:22] season regular season and late season

[1:06:24] and they charge different um they have

[1:06:28] different hours depending on the season

[1:06:31] and they even have a late season if you

[1:06:34] only are going August 5th through Labor

[1:06:36] Day you only have to pay half price for

[1:06:38] those seon obviously you're not there

[1:06:40] for the whole season but I mean I think

[1:06:43] that's kind of

[1:06:44] complicated most of the pools in there

[1:06:47] school ends and you know Labor Day the

[1:06:51] end of August because most of your staff

[1:06:54] are high school students or college

[1:06:56] students you're going back to school

[1:06:58] have the

[1:06:59] staff you have to close it y I mean the

[1:07:02] colony town pool they do do the fobs um

[1:07:05] and you have to have a resident key fob

[1:07:07] and you apply for it at no charge from a

[1:07:10] recreation office um and you have to

[1:07:13] show the key fog in order to use the

[1:07:15] town the town

[1:07:16] pool

[1:07:18] um you so that's I guess I need you guys

[1:07:21] to kind of absorb this stuff and and

[1:07:24] pick out you know

[1:07:26] stuff that you think so I guess moving

[1:07:28] forward next year most importantly too

[1:07:29] is what what we might need to put into

[1:07:32] the budget for next year well right

[1:07:33] that's raising cost of

[1:07:36] chemicals uh extra staff uh from the Boys and Girls

[1:07:42] Club depending on what we want so are we

[1:07:45] thinking that we'll sub submit kind of

[1:07:47] like once we look through this then

[1:07:49] individually we'll submit like what we

[1:07:51] think our ideal thing will be or should

[1:07:53] it be like a shared Google doc like

[1:07:55] we're working document with everyone I

[1:07:57] mean just you could do that I I would

[1:07:59] have to figure out how to do that but I

[1:08:01] think better would be to to do exactly

[1:08:04] how you started out I would ask that

[1:08:06] folks take a look at this and maybe

[1:08:08] submit um you can either I guess submit

[1:08:10] them to me and um what what are some of

[1:08:15] the key key rules that you Paul could

[1:08:19] you send me that photo that you took

[1:08:20] today because I don't have that I only

[1:08:22] have the outside the outside one I went

[1:08:24] up and took um does that sound good are

[1:08:28] you talking with Fe structure or are you

[1:08:30] talking about rules I would say both I gave you as much information as I

[1:08:36] could find for all these different pools

[1:08:39] so you have quite a bit of

[1:08:40] [Music]

[1:08:42] data what and if we want non-residents

[1:08:46] in if we do what Their fee structure

[1:08:48] is interesting to see who's coming so so

[1:08:52] that would be good too if we could get

[1:08:53] some of that data but again we won't

[1:08:55] have the the whole season until the end

[1:08:57] of August

[1:08:59] right um I mean I I think we should wait

[1:09:02] until we have the full data I mean we

[1:09:05] we're doing review of our budgets and

[1:09:07] you know we in the Parks we we can

[1:09:10] estimate some things and finalize it

[1:09:12] prior to when the budget's being

[1:09:13] finalized but yeah I mean for sure on

[1:09:16] this pool the more data we have talking

[1:09:19] the Boys and Girls Club the

[1:09:21] better because we'll have more of an

[1:09:24] accurate

[1:09:27] I think the fee structure is kind M

[1:09:28] thing and obiously the cost of you know

[1:09:31] you you have a pretty good handle on

[1:09:32] that that's but I would think that like

[1:09:34] for the rules we want to kind of go into

[1:09:37] this knowing that this is going to be

[1:09:39] kind of a living thing that we're going

[1:09:41] to have to we should just give ourselves

[1:09:43] the ability to have some autonomy to say

[1:09:45] you know what we thought this was a

[1:09:46] really good idea but it turns out it's

[1:09:48] not and and and this is the reason now

[1:09:50] for those things that we not might not

[1:09:51] be able to fory as far as rules go um so

[1:09:54] I just don't you know you should know

[1:09:55] that this isn't going to be written in

[1:09:56] stone because we want to be able to be

[1:09:58] responsive to the you know the needs of

[1:10:00] the community so I I agree with you to

[1:10:05] Mo to a certain extent but I mean we do

[1:10:07] have to have some things that I mean if

[1:10:09] we're going to print signs if we're

[1:10:11] going to if if somebody's going to come

[1:10:12] to us to get an ID we want to be able to

[1:10:15] hand them you know I I'm pretty sure

[1:10:17] that we do that with dog when I get my

[1:10:18] dog license oh new stuff going on there

[1:10:21] what new structure new structure dog

[1:10:24] licensing

[1:10:26] to same I still can't get them to drive

[1:10:28] it's really unbelievable to me every

[1:10:29] time I get the renewal and the dog

[1:10:31] license they still don't know how to

[1:10:33] drive but um but I'm just saying I mean

[1:10:37] obviously when we when we give somebody

[1:10:39] an ID or whatever it is that we're going

[1:10:41] to use as our form I love I really like

[1:10:45] the idea of a recreational

[1:10:47] idea I I don't right I don't think that

[1:10:50] we're going to be like you know what

[1:10:51] bab's okay we're not going to like

[1:10:52] change like certain things there are

[1:10:53] some core things that we know that like

[1:10:55] are likely not to change I'm just

[1:10:57] thinking like around like maybe we get

[1:10:58] the school district to put on their ID

[1:11:01] that is a City Recreation

[1:11:04] ID then maybe it's just a cost of a

[1:11:06] sticker or something and people who

[1:11:08] don't have that might you know adults or

[1:11:10] other people who want it we charge them

[1:11:14] what the processing fee is together

[1:11:16] it part since you a fuse for tennis what

[1:11:19] if he did a a teer recreational fee I

[1:11:22] some people like to swim some people

[1:11:23] like to play tennis and pick a wall

[1:11:25] you're going to use all the city's

[1:11:27] facilities there there's a price for

[1:11:29] this if you're just a kid that wants to

[1:11:31] go swimming you know maybe it's at

[1:11:33] certain age you yearly pric is $10 for

[1:11:38] the whole year um you know

[1:11:41] but you know we have people playing

[1:11:43] pickle ball we play

[1:11:45] tennis maybe it's it's tiered setup

[1:11:48] where you know you're this is a you this

[1:11:50] is a full recreational pass it allows

[1:11:52] you to pickle it and everything I agree

[1:11:56] yeah something different for just

[1:11:59] swimmers for because that's a that's a

[1:12:02] short season pickle ball they're out

[1:12:04] there if it's nice in April they're out

[1:12:05] there if it's nice in November they're

[1:12:07] there the same tenants they're they're

[1:12:08] out there till we take the Nets down

[1:12:10] yeah the swimming too is a staffing

[1:12:14] issue we don't hire kids we remember

[1:12:18] kids when they come in they want to work

[1:12:21] for the city for the rest of their lives

[1:12:23] this is in May oh they want this job

[1:12:28] well August 1st well you know I got to

[1:12:32] take time off you got to leave early to

[1:12:35] go

[1:12:37] back and so we have trouble you know

[1:12:40] after that first week in August starts

[1:12:43] to be a staffing issue where it's been

[1:12:45] hot whatever we just have to have the

[1:12:47] minimum and Central partment is the last

[1:12:50] pool we close so Front Street will get

[1:12:53] closed shutting down quck and Bush

[1:12:55] moving people to Central Park but

[1:12:58] there'll be times when we're probably

[1:12:59] going to have to

[1:13:00] limit attendance is the pool because we

[1:13:04] won't have the lifeguards

[1:13:06] right one question before um so I was

[1:13:09] thinking with the school district what

[1:13:11] about the sheriff's department you know

[1:13:12] how they do the fingerprinting they work

[1:13:15] it into fingerprinting City ID kind of

[1:13:18] thing you know they always out I'm just

[1:13:19] I just put that out there because of

[1:13:21] school and this and that so that's a

[1:13:23] good suggestion from Paul the general

[1:13:24] IDE you know just sing Single it out for

[1:13:27] 10 pick them

[1:13:30] off

[1:13:32] everything that way you kind of like

[1:13:34] control more control because we don't

[1:13:36] have that IDE you can't show up at

[1:13:37] either one of those facilities well no

[1:13:39] one's enforcing pick we going to have to

[1:13:42] we're going to have to start put some

[1:13:43] resource there because the tennis thing

[1:13:46] drives me crazy in terms of not getting

[1:13:48] the money those are the facility we need to protect them but even if it

[1:13:53] was this you know an idea that had a

[1:13:54] stick or something I mean it could be

[1:13:56] like a tennis racket a pool you know

[1:13:58] what I mean like in the fee structure

[1:14:00] when you go I guess to City FLIR you

[1:14:05] know I don't know wherever you'd be

[1:14:08] getting the the ID um you'd have that

[1:14:12] this is going to let you use the pickle

[1:14:14] ball courts this is going to let you use

[1:14:16] the tennis

[1:14:17] courts I don't know so we still have to

[1:14:20] do more is it something where um you

[1:14:24] guys want to make recommendations to us

[1:14:26] or how do you what should be our next

[1:14:28] step should we obviously I think we need

[1:14:30] to all look through this stuff come up

[1:14:33] with just the pool yeah I want to focus

[1:14:35] on the pool right now um but that

[1:14:38] recreational IDE I think is a good one a

[1:14:40] good suggestion for so it's already in

[1:14:43] the

[1:14:45] book

[1:14:47] just the PO I mean because we've got

[1:14:53] five weeks left yeah and you know even

[1:14:56] if we started doing some signs we're not

[1:14:58] going to be sure what we truly want so

[1:15:00] the signs that are there we're I agree

[1:15:03] and you know the mayor said the

[1:15:07] biggest say little but biggest is is

[1:15:10] what you decide to set for fees or

[1:15:12] resident versus non-resident and I don't

[1:15:15] have any recommendations so I guess I

[1:15:18] would ask you guys to um I mean again

[1:15:20] dor deani John will take your input

[1:15:23] because you're sitting here but if you

[1:15:25] would send me your thoughts maybe um

[1:15:28] maybe in a couple of weeks by a couple

[1:15:30] of weeks to send me your thoughts on the

[1:15:32] fees on any of these rules that the city

[1:15:34] because we have to obviously have a

[1:15:36] larger report back to city council as

[1:15:39] well um and you have to tell me because

[1:15:43] this is the first time that I'm holding

[1:15:45] a committee meeting but I know I have to

[1:15:46] give I have to get um we to have a

[1:15:51] written report to present a report we a

[1:15:53] written report that these guys at least

[1:15:55] two of the three of us have to sign off

[1:15:57] on or something is that is that the case

[1:16:00] for

[1:16:01] comme no no we can just do a

[1:16:05] report we used to the clerk's office

[1:16:07] prepares the minutes and members

[1:16:10] sign okay great told

[1:16:14] [Music]

[1:16:18] me if you were to do a committee report

[1:16:21] at our Council meting

[1:16:25] the most recent thing I've heard she

[1:16:28] told me I can no longer give chair Once

[1:16:31] Upon a Time the chair was required to

[1:16:33] give a report

[1:16:35] yeah

[1:16:37] that's so Josh will give us

[1:16:40] minutes and we don't have to I mean we

[1:16:43] can just report on it at next you can

[1:16:46] walk out of this meeting walk to the

[1:16:48] meeting upstairs and recap what you've

[1:16:51] done at this meeting interesting okay

[1:16:54] anybody Telling You Different

[1:16:56] yeah I know that we we talking about our

[1:16:59] new structure and I know the department

[1:17:02] had they're providing their new proposal

[1:17:05] to us why don't you help us in that way

[1:17:07] kind of like um okay let's look at the

[1:17:09] what is what is it passing us right now

[1:17:11] drop this pool maybe a month out or or

[1:17:15] thing and then we can factor that over

[1:17:17] you know things so that would help with

[1:17:20] kind of like how you know the fee as to

[1:17:22] like okay costing us x amount

[1:17:29] proposal give us some data to we're

[1:17:32] going to need it anyway when we do the

[1:17:33] budget I when we they'll give us a

[1:17:36] budget when he does it but I I think

[1:17:38] residents probably couldn't afford

[1:17:41] what the we're meeting with the

[1:17:43] Department a new shift so we're pumping

[1:17:48] more water at the

[1:17:51] pool that doesn't necessarily mean our

[1:17:53] overall costs of G

[1:17:55] we used to have to pump more water for

[1:17:57] the Central Park Pool the well heads and

[1:18:03] so the electric costs are going to show

[1:18:05] up like we're spending more at

[1:18:09] the pool but will our overall electric

[1:18:12] cost go up they're probably going to go

[1:18:15] up to some because it's a hot summer and

[1:18:18] people use more water so it's not

[1:18:21] necessarily going to be solely the

[1:18:23] swimming pool but we may not have the

[1:18:26] ability to break that down some of the

[1:18:28] chemical costs are up more Paul's

[1:18:31] looking at ways how do you manage that

[1:18:33] how do you

[1:18:34] mitigate uh things and some of the

[1:18:36] recommendations that were

[1:18:38] made may not be the most cost

[1:18:44] effective I I think we should have a

[1:18:46] recommendation from the Poli

[1:18:49] staff give you much information whatever

[1:18:52] we have so you know

[1:18:55] what the trend is where it is and the

[1:18:58] first year is always a little more by

[1:19:00] trial error we after good start so you

[1:19:04] know if I could ask Maybe by um August

[1:19:07] 7th if you guys would just get me after

[1:19:10] you absorb this stuff and just send me

[1:19:12] some thoughts um based on what our

[1:19:14] conversation was today because Paul's

[1:19:17] work is going to come to us um as we

[1:19:20] start the budget season we'll hear about

[1:19:22] the costs and the expenses for

[1:19:25] um all of the recreation not I me you

[1:19:29] know we knew our costs you know previous

[1:19:31] shares with the three pools even the

[1:19:33] four pools when um was open so they were

[1:19:36] pretty pretty steady the only thing that

[1:19:38] was fluctuate is we don't control the

[1:19:41] Corine or the

[1:19:42] sodium um so this pool doesn't use

[1:19:46] sodium Hy it uses what's called pack TS

[1:19:50] so you know that's that's for us um

[1:19:53] there just

[1:19:57] a theater like you have people have

[1:19:58] their own home

[1:20:00] pool

[1:20:01] so all right it looks like we're um I

[1:20:04] appreciate everybody being here um and

[1:20:07] looks like we're we need to head

[1:20:08] upstairs um relatively soon it's like

[1:20:11] 6:48 I think do you need to adjourn

[1:20:13] anything 6:49 oh yes um so can I have a

[1:20:16] motion to adjourn okay second okay all

[1:20:20] in favor thank you and Josh you'll get

[1:20:23] us

[1:20:26] did you get that AUD for them to give me

[1:20:29] input you can pull the transer from

[1:20:34] [Music]

[1:20:35] the

[1:20:37] e thank

[1:20:39] you I appreciate

[1:20:45] it

[1:20:47] so I could just

[1:20:50] um got when she calls for committee

[1:20:52] reports tonight should I say the health

[1:20:54] you getting met and yeah you can just

[1:20:57] say you met earlier today and you know

[1:20:59] just summarize sumarized and then um you

[1:21:03] can if you com appoint you just take the take the transcript from Josh and

[1:21:08] just submit it this week these are just

[1:21:11] not yeah yeah that's fine and I'm I'm

[1:21:15] out of um I'm I'm on vacation as of

[1:21:17] tomorrow should do just because um with

[1:21:21] Community the the minutes for the

[1:21:23] community is not the same as me yeah

[1:21:29] it's happened was here okay that's fine

[1:21:33] what you should do just give um MMA

[1:21:34] heads up that you will just give a

[1:21:36] summary and you will have the transcript

[1:21:38] um later I mean I think yeah sure she no no just tell her you're going to have

[1:21:43] um you're going to submit the transcript

[1:21:45] one J provided to you okay yeah but just

[1:21:48] give a fre for uh meting today

[1:21:53] okay

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Special City Council Committee Meeting, July 22, 2024

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