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[1:19] order we have one item on the agenda

[1:20] today that is the discussion to amend

[1:23] the city code chapter 182 uh in addition

[1:26] to my colleagues here tonight I just

[1:27] wanted to thank um mayor m

[1:30] commissioner Divine and assistant chief

[1:33] ovich and Mr bar for being pres as well

[1:36] so starting with the why I think we've

[1:39] all campaigned in in our perspective

[1:41] areas on the issue of noise just how do

[1:44] we address it uh as a as an entire city

[1:47] so in recognizing that just the this has

[1:49] been a chronic issue for as long as I've

[1:52] been on the council to understand there

[1:54] was ways where we can adjust C code and

[1:57] also work collaboratively with the other

[1:58] agencies this uh just have a better

[2:02] impact and improve the quality of life

[2:04] conditions for our residents uh so

[2:06] before I turn it over to uh police and

[2:09] the law department for their insight and

[2:12] understanding of enforcement and the

[2:14] legality of hearing to the U this city

[2:19] code my recommendation would be just so

[2:21] everyone has a transparent understanding

[2:23] of my thoughts uh it's one adjusting the

[2:27] time frame in which sound repr is deemed

[2:30] unreasonable So currently it is listed

[2:33] at 11:00 p.m. to 6: a.m. my

[2:35] recommendation is adjusting it to 9.m 9:

[2:44] a.m.

[2:48] 11m so I'm reading

[2:50] from section J and it is bullet number

[2:54] two

[2:56] okay and then again just for a

[3:00] accountability it says between the hours

[3:01] of 11:00 P.M to 6:

[3:04] a.

[3:06] the there occurrences of unreasonable

[3:08] time unreasonable and unnecessary sound

[3:10] production is like prohibited so my

[3:12] recommendation is adjusting that to 9:00

[3:14] p.m. to 9:00

[3:16] a.m. secondly it is adjusting the

[3:19] penalties so penalties for offenses

[3:21] currently the initial request is the

[3:25] fine should not be anything higher than

[3:27] $250 my recommendation is is adjusting

[3:30] first offenses to

[3:31] $500 second violations to

[3:34] $1,000 and then third violations

[3:36] allowing the city court judge to

[3:38] exercise their discretion um not to

[3:41] exceed

[3:42] $2,000 and then we can get more into

[3:44] like the understanding of like my

[3:46] reasoning for that and then finally

[3:48] there is a

[3:50] section in the city code that uh in the

[3:54] same section J bullet one that last

[3:57] paragraph it highlights to unreasonable

[4:00] or unnecessary noise at any time except

[4:02] for activities open to the public or to

[4:05] the public benefit for which permission

[4:07] has been granted by the city enity I

[4:09] think that opens the door for us to have

[4:12] a permanent style approach so we are not

[4:14] just saying no to people having

[4:16] unnecessary or excessive noise we are

[4:19] saying within a certain confined

[4:21] parameters and then that is something

[4:23] that we can create collectively as a

[4:25] council so after giving my

[4:27] recommendations I would like to turn the

[4:29] over to uh law enforcement department

[4:32] and then following by the legal

[4:33] department just to how noise complaints

[4:36] are addressed currently and then if you

[4:38] have any recommendations right now well

[4:40] Mr chairman if I be allowed

[4:44] to you the code

[4:48] uh I have your thought process and some

[4:52] of the things that you're putting

[4:56] for we look for compliance servic not

[4:59] like you want to go out and find people

[5:01] you want to arrest people you want

[5:03] people to be able to have a good time

[5:05] enjoy their

[5:07] property both the quiet perspective and

[5:10] if you have music or something that's

[5:14] going

[5:16] on we follow up on every call that comes

[5:20] in to dispatch people will say no nobody

[5:25] responded unfortunately it's not

[5:27] necessarily as quick as people would

[5:29] like

[5:30] it's a priority system that is used for

[5:33] the calls coming in so they're evaluated

[5:35] in terms of imediate danger to life or

[5:39] property those who assigned Priority One

[5:43] status and they take PR over anything

[5:46] else priority two and noise complaints

[5:49] are listed as priority three so it's

[5:53] unfortunate

[5:54] that uh the priority three calls are not

[5:59] followed

[6:00] up and in this timely manner as people

[6:04] would like whether have we sitting here

[6:06] in this tand staff or the neighbors but

[6:11] at the Staffing

[6:13] levels uh that's the reality of our

[6:16] ability to do the respond St and I'm not

[6:20] positioned to ask that we increase the

[6:23] police staff or other staff

[6:25] to deal with noise complaints at this

[6:28] point

[6:31] where get how do you get common sense

[6:34] and people to act in an appropriate

[6:37] manner that is sensitive to the concerns

[6:41] and desires of their neighbors or the

[6:44] neighborhood

[6:47] and so we

[6:49] do show up ask people to turn stuff down

[6:52] I've been out calls

[6:56] where you will have music blasting these

[6:59] last turn it down they turn it down 15

[7:02] minutes later Call's coming back in the

[7:05] same that people have turn the noise up

[7:08] uh the sound up

[7:11] and how do

[7:13] you might have a key to this Mr Williams

[7:16] if you can legislate Common Sense you'll

[7:18] be a hero here uh but it's to get that

[7:21] level of uh

[7:23] compliance with it so with that I

[7:26] appreciate the discussion the dialogue

[7:28] and I know what you like to address you

[7:31] add their perspective to it

[7:35] AC uh

[7:37] so when uh reading over the uh city

[7:40] ordinance on the noise violation section

[7:43] and we talked about the 11:00 p.m. to

[7:45] 6:00 a.m. window um we also go by goet

[7:49] point B where

[7:53] um in such a manner as to create noise

[7:56] that can be heard 50 feet from such

[7:57] device and I know in this section

[8:00] kind of refers to Motor Vehicles on a

[8:02] public Highway and boat in public Waters

[8:04] but also by a person on public or

[8:06] private property so we utilize section B

[8:11] to enforce this noise ordinance 24 hours

[8:14] a day not only just in that uh window of

[8:17] time that's described in in section a

[8:21] um

[8:23] regardless uh as the mayor stated a lot

[8:25] of the times we get these calls and due

[8:28] to our staffing level and and call

[8:30] volume it may take us a lot longer to

[8:34] arrive to deal with the situation to a

[8:36] point where maybe the the source of the

[8:38] noise is no longer there um we do have

[8:42] the

[8:43] ability If Video evidence or some other

[8:48] type of

[8:50] uh evidence that the noise was occurring

[8:53] and that it was unreasonable to file for

[8:56] a warrant um and deal with it that way

[9:00] but generally the the noise has to be at

[9:03] a an unreasonable level while the police

[9:06] officers are there to observe it to

[9:09] follow through with um you know the any

[9:13] type of disciplinary action that would

[9:14] come from this um how however in certain

[9:19] circumstances we can file um charges for

[9:24] evidence that we have that supports

[9:25] those charges um that we didn't

[9:28] personally Witness at the time of of the

[9:30] event um there have been situations

[9:34] where as the mayor stated where police

[9:37] officer arrives gives a courtesy warning

[9:41] for them to turn the music down and

[9:43] oftentimes that suffices and people do

[9:47] uh comply with those

[9:49] orders there are a lot of times where

[9:51] they comply in our presence and then

[9:53] shortly after we leave they they turn

[9:55] the music back up um we have gone

[9:59] through and created I wouldn't say a

[10:03] database but there are uh addresses that

[10:06] have been Chic offenders of this

[10:08] ordinance that it has

[10:11] been a message given to to all platoon

[10:15] that if you're responding to these

[10:16] addresses for an issue along these lines

[10:19] that they are not to be given you know

[10:22] zero tolerance for those addresses

[10:23] because they are chronic offenders of

[10:26] this particular uh section um and that

[10:30] currently any kind of um warnings or um

[10:37] discretion that's been given to them in

[10:39] the past has not been taken with respect

[10:42] so um we're trying to to cut off issues

[10:46] where one officer arrives gives a

[10:50] courtesy uh warning to turn the music

[10:52] down then then the issue happens again

[10:55] and you have a different officer who

[10:56] arrives and they didn't realize that the

[10:58] first officer had just given that

[10:59] warning and so now they're giving a

[11:01] warning how many times can a different

[11:03] officer arrive to the same place and

[11:04] give a warning and what's the best way

[11:06] of making sure that everybody is aware

[11:09] uh that warning has been given um we do

[11:12] have systems in place that should be

[11:15] followed where you make notes in the

[11:18] call and it kind of goes under the

[11:19] premise history what we call it in our RMS system so we encourage officers

[11:24] to check premise history before

[11:27] responding to these calls so they can

[11:28] see if warning has been given and when

[11:30] was the last one um or if if the premise

[11:35] is one of the ones that we spoke about

[11:37] that's a chronic offender and that we

[11:39] don't uh they have zero tolerance um

[11:42] directive for for that

[11:45] address beyond that if an officer

[11:48] responds to these calls and sees that

[11:51] the noise ordinance is being

[11:55] violated at that point like you said

[11:58] they there are uh different penalties

[12:00] for each offense you know up to a third

[12:03] offense where I think that was where it

[12:05] maxes out um there is the ability of the

[12:08] officer to remove the source of the

[12:11] noise as well and I'm not sure that it's

[12:14] exactly clear on if we could do that

[12:16] right off the bat on the very first one

[12:18] or if we have to wait until the third um

[12:20] but there are situations where know you

[12:24] have uh somebody was speaking to me

[12:27] earlier today about a Dodge Ram pickup

[12:30] truck that had

[12:32] $60,000 worth

[12:34] of subwoofers and speakers that took up

[12:37] the entire back of the truck bed with a

[12:40] hydraulic lift that makes it stand

[12:43] straight up um you know in that

[12:47] situation I were able to take the whole

[12:49] vehicle and hold it until trial you know

[12:52] create a hardship for that person but

[12:54] it's also I don't know how you even play

[12:57] speakers that large

[12:59] in a reasonable manner I don't know if

[13:01] it's possible um it's challenging um

[13:07] because people have so many different

[13:09] Avenues to reproduce this noise if you

[13:12] take one set of speakers away and a new

[13:15] set just pops up where the old one uh

[13:18] was um I know that we have confiscated

[13:21] systems in the past and you know there

[13:23] is an Avenue for them to retrieve their

[13:25] property after you know the case has

[13:27] been adjudicated or um the processes

[13:31] that they have to go through to to

[13:34] re take possession of their

[13:37] property um the other thing is when we

[13:41] do make arrest on these it's an

[13:42] appearance ticket it's not a custodial

[13:44] arrest so generally Cooperative people

[13:48] we will fill out and and this is a

[13:51] appearance ticket that we've been

[13:52] working on with um Mr Toro and John pal

[13:57] was was a part of the effort where it's

[13:59] a streamlined um appearance ticket

[14:02] process that kind of everything's on one

[14:05] form much like a it allows the officers

[14:08] to handle the call more efficiently than

[14:11] have to go back and be out of service

[14:14] for an extended period time filling out

[14:16] you know uh different informations and

[14:18] reports and triplicate whereas uh this

[14:21] one form can be submitted the only thing

[14:24] is that that person never leaves their

[14:26] home you know if they do if they're an

[14:28] uncooperative person they need to be

[14:29] exported to the police car to be given

[14:31] their U appearance ticket at the

[14:34] issuance of the appearance ticket

[14:36] they're released back to their home or

[14:38] to wherever they were taken

[14:40] from and basically they're free to go

[14:44] back right to doing what it was that got

[14:46] them in trouble in the first place

[14:48] should they choose to do that um so

[14:51] there's only so much that we can

[14:53] do uh at that point um so it it becomes

[14:57] frustrating when you have repeat

[14:59] offenders um I did

[15:02] some kind of quick uh I got some quick

[15:06] data from analysts and year to date

[15:09] there's only about 20 arrests for uh

[15:13] noise ordinance violations with you know

[15:17] some repeat offenders on here um and

[15:20] then there's a vast majority of the

[15:22] calls that come in that the dispositions

[15:26] for those are you know dark and quiet

[15:28] gone on arrival

[15:29] unfounded and so I think a lot of this

[15:32] has to do with the periods of time where

[15:35] these calls are most likely to come in

[15:36] are also periods of time that are very

[15:38] busy for the police department and on

[15:40] days where the Staffing levels are not

[15:42] the best you know Friday nights Saturday

[15:44] nights that type of thing um and a lot

[15:48] of situations like today a large portion

[15:51] of our staffing is tied up on Odell

[15:53] Street uh with you know the barric

[15:56] subject that they have but still not

[15:58] really resolved at this point so you

[16:02] know much to what the mayor was stating

[16:06] should a noise ordinance violation come

[16:08] in to the call center you know during a

[16:11] day like today the ability for us to

[16:13] respond there in a time of manner is

[16:16] prohibited by all of our resources being

[16:18] utilized for things that have been

[16:21] determined to be a higher

[16:22] priority um

[16:24] so this much I'm sure

[16:29] every council member gets complaints

[16:31] about this and you know between this and

[16:33] traffic this is probably what I've get

[16:35] the most complaints about to my office

[16:37] so if you know if there's any way that

[16:38] we can figure out as a group to better

[16:42] deal with this issue or you know gain

[16:44] compliance more effectively and I'd be

[16:47] happy to do it but at this point this is

[16:50] kind of what we do and and how it goes

[16:52] and and the challenges that we're facing

[16:56] and then if you wouldn't also mind just

[16:57] speaking about the um joing as First

[17:00] Responders that is definitely a

[17:02] component of those discussions that

[17:04] really catch my eye and kind of speaking

[17:06] to the whole points about the cost of

[17:09] having a law enforcement officer

[17:10] responds to the incident and also just

[17:12] speed at which they can respond so if we

[17:14] have any information about that so it is

[17:18] uh definitely something that we plan to

[17:20] utilize once the program is up and

[17:22] running we actually started this week

[17:24] with uh reassigning a couple of our

[17:27] officers temporarily to kind of get the

[17:30] ball rolling on this and the U the

[17:33] actual responder drones are expected to

[17:36] arrive early in the beginning of

[17:39] 25 uh or late 24 however we do have

[17:43] drones currently that don't have the

[17:45] capabilities of these drones but we're

[17:47] going to be starting to apply some first

[17:49] responder type missions within the next

[17:52] few weeks and what

[17:55] we will have the ability to do once this

[17:58] program up and running provided that

[18:00] meets all the legal

[18:02] requirements um which I'm sure we'll

[18:04] discuss with the law Department before

[18:06] taking this action but as I stated if uh

[18:10] evidentiary you know something of

[18:11] evidentiary value that can kind of

[18:15] um meet what we need to file charges

[18:19] even if we can't be there in person we

[18:21] might be able to get that evidence with

[18:23] the drones and have an officer review

[18:26] the footage or maybe the Drone pilot

[18:27] review the footage then initiate a

[18:30] warrant packet for the problem property

[18:34] um I'm not sure what additional

[18:37] challenges that might face at this point

[18:39] as far as being able to determine who's

[18:42] responsible for the music you know would

[18:43] you be able to do that with the Drone if

[18:46] it's

[18:47] outside there's a possibility we can get

[18:49] the footage of where the music is coming

[18:51] from and you know maybe um for repeat

[18:55] offenders or chronic offenders we would

[18:57] know that this address

[18:59] I see the person who's been responsible

[19:01] for it before this is the same system

[19:03] that's playing music this is the same

[19:05] person who's out there uh playing the

[19:07] music you know sometimes it'll be very

[19:09] cut and dry who's responsible yeah you

[19:12] know there may come a time where it

[19:14] might be difficult just from the footage

[19:16] alone and a little bit further uh

[19:19] investigation may need to happen to um

[19:22] determine exactly who's at fault and who

[19:24] can be f for this and then you get to a

[19:27] level of how much effort do we want want

[19:28] to put into a

[19:31] violation when we have you know the

[19:35] priority uh situations that would

[19:38] require more manpower I do believe

[19:41] though that the Drone as a first

[19:42] responder is a tool that we're going to

[19:44] be able to utilize to assist with this

[19:47] issue and I I think it will be effective

[19:51] I just don't want

[19:53] to I want to be cautiously optimistic

[19:56] about it I I don't want to say that it's

[19:57] going to be the Magic Bullet

[20:00] that stops all of this um because there will still be challenges and it

[20:05] will be you know something that can cure

[20:08] it all but I I think it is going to be a

[20:11] very effective tool once it's up and run

[20:14] thank you any questions or comments

[20:16] before turning over to Mr R Mr T so in

[20:20] terms of the um arrests um that have

[20:23] been made um I was wondering about the

[20:26] um the financial penalties um um and to

[20:29] what extent those get paid um you know

[20:33] or whether you know folks just don't pay

[20:36] them and then what happens you know that

[20:38] type of thing

[20:40] um I would not have much information on

[20:46] the follow through with the people

[20:49] paying the fines that they've been given

[20:52] I can definitely get that I don't know

[20:54] if maybe the law department has better

[20:56] information on that um um but as as far

[21:00] as you know my understanding of the way

[21:03] things work is if somebody's given a

[21:05] penalty by a judge and they don't follow

[21:07] through with that then eventually there

[21:09] will be bench warrants or um things that

[21:14] would come into place that would make

[21:17] them responsible for those things

[21:19] because I I think just ignoring it and

[21:21] not doing it once something is

[21:24] adjudicated it's not yeah that they're

[21:27] going to have to follow through one way

[21:29] or the

[21:29] other so uh we

[21:33] typically we try to request a report

[21:37] that the fine need paid at the time of

[21:40] sentencing so that we don't have to

[21:43] chase people for money um unfortunately

[21:48] we don't have control uh the judge many

[21:51] times give uh people time to pay so uh

[21:56] i' have to

[21:58] records to see how much we've collected

[22:02] in fines um based on what was uh we were

[22:06] sentenced to but a lot of people in a

[22:10] lot of cases we do get the money the

[22:13] same

[22:14] day sometimes people are given to and

[22:17] that's not as easy for us to

[22:19] track thank you and I will say uh based

[22:23] on and I'm sure everybody here's aware

[22:25] but based on the ordinance uh

[22:29] in those situations where we discuss you

[22:31] know

[22:32] giving even whether it's an arrest or a

[22:35] warning and then the music goes on 15

[22:38] minutes later we show back up um if it's

[22:42] a half an hour after we've given that

[22:44] advisement or made that arrest it counts

[22:46] as a new uh incident

[22:49] so twice in the same night as long as

[22:52] it's a half an hour apart counts as the

[22:54] second violation so the fees for that

[22:57] would go in line the second and third as

[23:01] it as it

[23:03] continues any other questions coms you

[23:06] mentioned arrest so when the officer

[23:08] shows up the resident is there

[23:09] physically arrest people are you for to

[23:12] pay ticket right so it's it's a it's not

[23:15] a custodial arrest so it would be an

[23:17] appearance ticket you know there have

[23:19] been situations where somebody gets

[23:21] escorted to the police car and fell the

[23:23] paperwork but uh as far as you know

[23:26] putting them in handcuffs and bringing

[23:27] them down to the station

[23:29] that doesn't Happ for

[23:34] this is there a process where the

[23:36] individual that files the complaint is

[23:38] notified with the action the action

[23:41] taken uh so the complaintant being made

[23:44] aware so there are um one of the

[23:48] questions that the dispatchers usually

[23:50] ask is would you like the police to

[23:52] contact you there there are times where

[23:55] we will arrive unfortunately the music

[23:58] or the the source of the loud noise is

[23:59] no longer there but you know the person

[24:01] who called it in does want to speak with

[24:03] an officer so they'll get out of the car

[24:05] they'll go in and and speak with the

[24:06] complainant and then that person can you

[24:09] know in their own words explain directly

[24:11] to the officer what the the issue is um

[24:14] and there are times where it's late at

[24:17] night they're already having a hard time

[24:19] sleeping so they don't want to be

[24:21] bothered to get out of the bed any more

[24:23] than they've already been bothered by

[24:24] the noise so they prefer that the issue

[24:27] just be dealt with and they don't want

[24:28] to have anything more to do with it um

[24:31] for those situations

[24:34] there I don't we don't make a a call or

[24:39] you know a notification that the the

[24:41] problem's been solved Mr uh thank you

[24:44] very much it sounds like you have a

[24:45] handle on everything the department and

[24:47] handling it with complete efficiency at

[24:49] this point um trying to right um you

[24:52] know when we make the phone call which I

[24:54] make multiple times a year you know um

[24:58] for for in my neighborhood again you

[25:02] wait sometimes you know the police

[25:03] happen to show up right away and sitting

[25:05] on the front porch waiting or just a

[25:06] little talk or something but um so at

[25:09] least happy to to know that things are

[25:11] being addressed as efficiently as they

[25:13] are sometimes there's a time constraint

[25:16] but thank you very much so thank

[25:20] you so in terms of the number of calls

[25:23] like say for instance there's a party so

[25:25] you know maybe down street calls next

[25:26] door Etc do you have um specific say we

[25:30] receive this number of calls the same

[25:33] regard the same incident in that case we

[25:35] then take away their equipment or is or shut down the

[25:42] party

[25:43] so as far as shutting down parties

[25:47] go

[25:49] um people are allowed to have parties in

[25:52] their private residences you know to an

[25:55] extent obviously parties that your ad

[25:58] iing and charging for a little bit

[26:00] different um the after hours parties

[26:03] that have been kind of plaguing our our

[26:05] city for some time now um we've had a

[26:09] lot of uh religious ceremonies that get

[26:12] called in because sometimes they're

[26:13] pretty loud especially with certain

[26:14] cultures and and wedding

[26:17] celebrations

[26:19] um in those situations we try to

[26:21] discreetly make advisements that we

[26:24] understand this is a religious ceremony

[26:26] but it is violating the noise ordinance

[26:28] we don't want to disrupt what's going on

[26:30] here but can you please turn it down and

[26:31] more than often than not they they

[26:33] comply with those um as far

[26:38] as based

[26:40] on when there are multiple calls for the

[26:44] same problem coming from different

[26:46] people it kind of indicates to us that

[26:50] it kind of increases the legitimacy we

[26:52] understand that you know this this must

[26:54] really be bothering a lot of people when

[26:57] we're getting multiple calls from

[26:58] different people about the same problem

[27:01] um but it doesn't necessarily affect the

[27:04] way that we respond to it even one call

[27:07] as long as we show up and it meets that

[27:08] criteria we're going to handle the call

[27:11] uh the way that it should hopefully

[27:14] it'll be handled the way that it should

[27:16] be handled by you know if you show up

[27:18] and it's it's very a severe violation of

[27:21] the ordinance then their reaction as

[27:25] officers are probably going to be more

[27:26] severe in that they're more to take away

[27:30] the source of the noise on the First

[27:33] Response if it's so

[27:37] unreasonable that they don't deserve a

[27:40] warrant now if if we show up and it's

[27:44] somebody who it's borderline

[27:47] unreasonable then we're probably not

[27:49] going to take their uh the source of the noise away on the first um go around

[27:56] so there isn't like uh if we get called

[27:59] three times than this or four people

[28:01] call than this it only takes one but

[28:03] it's for the officers to determine when

[28:05] they get there what's the level of

[28:07] reasonableness of this you know how

[28:09] unreasonable is it is how egregious is

[28:12] the call and I think a lot of times if

[28:14] it's and a lot of this I'm kind of

[28:16] speaking from my own personal experience

[28:18] where you know the time that I spent as

[28:19] a patrol officer responding to calls

[28:22] like

[28:23] this personally if I got there and you

[28:26] know um I I recall one instance it was

[28:29] on Crane and

[28:32] Orchard uh I remember I was Midnight's I

[28:35] hadn't even received a call for it yet

[28:37] but I was driving around the windows

[28:38] were down and I could hear very very

[28:41] loud music coming from a large apartment

[28:42] building that was right across from um

[28:45] original pizza and I saw an old elderly

[28:48] woman on like the third floor kind of

[28:51] looking out her window with her hands

[28:52] like this and I could tell that the

[28:54] music was coming from above so I was

[28:56] like I don't need a call for this that's

[28:59] enough for me so I went in there I found

[29:01] the source of the

[29:02] music gave them an advisement to turn it

[29:05] down I got halfway down the stairs I

[29:07] could hear the music already again so I

[29:09] turned right around before I even left

[29:10] the house and I took the power cord to

[29:13] their stereo and issued a an appearance

[29:17] ticket to the to the Violator so that

[29:21] was the way I chose to deal with

[29:22] removing the source of the music and it

[29:24] seemed to work for that that night um

[29:27] but but

[29:29] again I feel like the removal of the

[29:32] source of the music is based on the

[29:35] ordinance it's discretionary and

[29:37] sometimes it's difficult when you have

[29:40] speakers that are as big as that window

[29:42] or you know things that are not

[29:44] necessarily you don't have the ability

[29:45] to take them and put them in the police

[29:47] car um so I don't know if I answered

[29:51] your question

[29:53] uh there's anything more that you want

[29:55] me to elaborate that I didn't no that I just kind of trying to figure out

[30:00] what is what the what you what are the

[30:02] guidelines like I've called I've had

[30:04] five calls from four different people

[30:06] and what are we going to do about I mean

[30:08] that's that's definitely taken into

[30:09] consideration as well as how severely

[30:12] they're violating the the and how do you

[30:16] measure the sound like you heard that

[30:17] you just talked about how you heard it

[30:18] from the window isn't there you have

[30:21] some actual instrument that measures

[30:23] sound that that people can't argue with

[30:24] like right you know what to me may not

[30:27] be loud to you so it in the ordinance it

[30:29] talks about being 50 ft away from where

[30:33] the source of the music is so I mean

[30:35] we're trained at estimating speed and

[30:38] distance and that type of thing so it's pretty safe to say you know when

[30:41] you're 50 feet away from something and

[30:43] you can hear it but as far as a a

[30:45] decibel measuring device we don't have

[30:49] that um I know that they exist and same

[30:53] you know similar to like a window 10

[30:54] measuring device um and I want to say

[31:01] those I mean they they would be

[31:03] applicable I just don't know how

[31:05] necessary they are because it it's it's

[31:07] probably an

[31:08] expense that would just kind of confirm

[31:11] how loud it is but the fact is as long

[31:14] as you're 50 ft from it and you can hear

[31:15] it and it's bothering someone you you're

[31:18] checking all the boxes you need to check

[31:20] right there I I don't believe you know

[31:23] being able to say that it was exactly

[31:24] this decb you know whether it was you

[31:27] know one decel over what would be deemed

[31:30] as reasonable or 50 um and I don't even

[31:35] know in terms of decb if that's even a

[31:37] reasonable thing to say but um common

[31:41] sense and and what a reasonable person

[31:44] would would deem to be um too loud I

[31:48] think it's it's will

[31:51] be are there um like civil Avenues if a

[31:56] neighbor

[31:58] so you their neighbor has been ticketed

[32:01] three four times and they've got F can

[32:04] that complaint and take the neighbor to

[32:07] Cil court on their own is that an option

[32:09] I don't know you know kind of putting it

[32:11] in their hands that they can do

[32:13] something

[32:15] themselves

[32:16] I'll address

[32:20] that some sometime ago Council me the

[32:25] pressor pass section 183

[32:29] talking about

[32:30] 182 the

[32:33] new which U we had just started for the

[32:37] first time ever to

[32:41] force and uh we had our first hearing we

[32:44] closed

[32:45] down that

[32:48] was all sorts of violation forget

[32:51] through the hearing of mayor's

[32:53] appointment as the heing officer and 12

[32:57] points in 12 months is considered a

[33:00] nuisance this property had about 600

[33:03] points and but three points uh are since

[33:09] we're focusing on noise uh violation of

[33:13] section

[33:14] 182 is three points under Section

[33:18] 183 so that when you get in 12 points in

[33:22] 12 months you had four violations in a

[33:25] year then you would have uh there is a

[33:29] civil procedure to take care of this

[33:33] which we we're now starting to

[33:35] enforce

[33:37] [Music]

[33:42] which but uh so we're starting to

[33:45] enforce that it hadn't been enforced by

[33:47] prior Corporation Council until vaccine

[33:49] came in and U so kind of wearing two

[33:54] hats

[33:56] here we are now starting to uh enforce

[33:59] that if you were looking for amendments

[34:04] to certain parts of the city code maybe

[34:08] you want to increase the point value

[34:11] from 3 to four or something like that in

[34:14] section 183 and then there be three you

[34:17] know increase it there'll be three calls

[34:19] in a year and then we can take the that

[34:24] se so calls one yeah well

[34:29] that's we sort of ties in with what the

[34:32] chief was saying

[34:35] that you know if you go away for a half

[34:37] hour and you have to come back have to

[34:39] back that's another incident you already

[34:40] have six points yeah in one night and

[34:44] that might uh have a chilling effect on

[34:49] the people who turn it up when they

[34:51] leave and if I can add one more one more

[34:54] thing though I think is good for the

[34:58] drones you know going back

[35:02] to court there might be some due process

[35:05] arguments about the drones and and

[35:08] individual liability but certainly from the air you can tell whether the

[35:13] property problem and that's what the new

[35:16] it's about the property the property

[35:18] continues to be a problem and so the

[35:21] drones I think would also be a good tool

[35:24] in terms of enforcing resour

[35:28] um so if I can add I think the mayor was

[35:31] like is there a magic ball or an answer

[35:34] and I think trying to hedge our bets if

[35:36] we look at this as a three-prong

[35:37] approach I think you have the city code

[35:41] and I speaking on the news I think I

[35:43] misspoke and said it hasn't been

[35:44] adjusted or amended in three decades is

[35:47] not the case it's almost two decades but

[35:49] still that's a long amount of time and

[35:51] if we look at what has changed since 20

[35:55] 2006 a lot has think we evaluate how to

[35:59] adjust our enforcement to incorporate

[36:00] other Technologies and making sure the

[36:02] legalities of how they're uh

[36:05] adjudicating these types of cases I

[36:07] think that improves the conditions for a

[36:09] lot of our residents who in some

[36:10] instances feel like they are uh helpless

[36:14] where it is a beautiful day out my

[36:16] windows are open and now I have to

[36:18] inconvenience myself further to have a

[36:21] slightly better day and and the

[36:23] frustration is what do I do and I'm glad

[36:26] Mr Terell highlighted that it is not at

[36:29] the lack of consideration from the

[36:30] police department it truly is not and on

[36:32] my uh um right alongs I've seen the

[36:36] calls come in and although you want to

[36:38] respond to all them you physically

[36:39] cannot uh so unfortunately I think it

[36:42] has to be an understanding from the

[36:43] community of you can only be in bu many

[36:45] places at once but I think if the

[36:47] perception from our residents is if I

[36:49] call nothing happens because it keeps

[36:51] happening day in and day out and if also

[36:53] the perception is from these violators I

[36:55] use that lightly because if some people

[36:57] aren aware of the code and they just

[36:58] think it's a free-for all I can put

[37:00] $60,000 worth of equipment in my car I

[37:03] think starting somewhere is important

[37:07] um but I wanted to give Mr an

[37:09] opportunity yes going back to the point

[37:12] system I can recall that we did actually

[37:15] amend that to kind of Target the

[37:18] convenience stores in terms of the point

[37:20] systems so you're mentioning point

[37:22] system I think if I can recall a couple

[37:25] years we had um Institute that that just

[37:28] because of the the very problem we

[37:31] having with these convenience stores and

[37:32] how do we address it over a period of

[37:34] time suggestion to us and basally

[37:38] recommendation to ex the F system so I

[37:42] not the F

[37:43] system that was passed couple years ago

[37:46] can carry over way into residential we

[37:48] may want to amend that to include um yes

[37:54] the right cross section of U the

[37:56] violation who needed convenience stores

[37:59] or any Del or sort of things like that we did at that point system

[38:03] actually that is true it was never we

[38:06] never get a chance to kind of enforce it

[38:09] there were so many excuses oh didn't get

[38:12] approved okay it was approved but never

[38:15] got enforced right from the Law

[38:17] Department commissioner is correct about

[38:19] that

[38:23] [Music]

[38:28] the the

[38:32] uh a private residence could

[38:37] be when we would have we would have to

[38:40] pull that resolution it was primarily

[38:42] targeted towards the convenient delis to

[38:46] kind of bring them in compliance so

[38:47] whenever they come back apply for the

[38:51] renewal the mayor Police Department

[38:54] everybody will sit there and says okay

[38:55] you had X violation

[38:58] and if they if they was actually

[38:59] enforcing it and if they met that

[39:04] 12.65 automatically be closed within

[39:07] that given year but unfortunately we

[39:11] never have the

[39:12] enforcement

[39:14] glad

[39:16] be we're doing

[39:18] it and

[39:20] if if it is limited to convenience

[39:24] sources and sure you could change it to

[39:28] noise coming from anywhere right so when

[39:31] we that we did talk about the the point

[39:34] syst but the commission is correct there

[39:36] is in the nuisance part of the code

[39:38] nuisance you can VI people with

[39:41] individual residents can get violation

[39:43] based on the nuisance um we um code but

[39:47] we were targeting the convenience stores

[39:49] and we trying to focus on that because

[39:51] then we did have so many problems but

[39:53] that part the um C is already there for

[39:55] individual so maybe need to tighten up

[39:58] to you know improve it um you know amend

[40:01] whatever way necessary

[40:04] yes I I do like that idea in in the next

[40:08] 183 of bringing it from four to you know

[40:11] different point levels for residents um

[40:14] and somewhere in here and and of course

[40:16] I forgot my glasses today so the

[40:18] landlords are

[40:23] responsible the it's somewhere in here

[40:26] it's the landlords yeah so it it gives

[40:28] the exception of

[40:30] a somebody who's leasing the property

[40:33] from the landlord so they the landlord

[40:35] can't be held responsible

[40:38] for really no they can be I think so I

[40:42] thought identified that P it's p

[40:48] P2 section three and it is category

[40:52] section no

[40:54] 1824 and it's within that initial

[40:56] paragraph says for the purposes of this

[40:58] chapter it shall be presumed that the

[41:00] owner tenant person or persons in

[41:02] possession or control and the occupant

[41:05] of the particular premises or jointly or

[41:08] severely sever a weird word so I think it it

[41:14] identifies that whether you're directly

[41:15] or indirectly you're responsible for

[41:18] that reproduction of noise to some

[41:20] extent and then my question was going to

[41:22] be

[41:23] follow was you mentioned earlier AC no

[41:27] about people having video evidence that

[41:30] they taking themselves and one

[41:31] cautioning is people kind of going out

[41:33] getting 4K cameras and getting their

[41:35] ghilly suits like going to extreme but

[41:39] also I want to make sure we're

[41:40] documenting what is necessary to proceed

[41:43] forward is that sufficient enough to

[41:45] meet that threshold and you know there

[41:49] can be issues where how do we prove that

[41:54] this video is taken on this date at this

[41:56] time at this location

[41:58] um which I'm sure there are ways but

[42:02] that maybe the Law Department might

[42:06] want most most of these don't go to

[42:10] trial most people

[42:12] ple or a

[42:15] hearing date following that so it's we

[42:19] prepare Discovery um if we need to which

[42:23] would

[42:24] be pictures or videos If we have

[42:28] um but most of the time like I said we

[42:30] don't wind up getting to the point of

[42:32] having to go trial to prove it people

[42:34] generally take a lower fine to settle it

[42:39] rather than risk going to a

[42:41] trial and risking getting the mag and I

[42:45] think that's where I want to kind of

[42:47] focus on uh because I'd like for us to

[42:50] have these fines strictly adhere to to

[42:53] change the culture and narrative that

[42:55] this is something that we are focusing in on it especially if uh by

[43:00] the time we do address it it comes at

[43:02] extreme cost in time and

[43:06] responses so my question is around the

[43:08] fine and as asash is saying that when

[43:12] they go to court the judge has sort of

[43:15] some leg in what they can do they can we

[43:17] do so fine so is there a way that we

[43:20] that that hard and fast or do they

[43:22] always have the ability to um negotiate

[43:26] what a person can pay because um what

[43:29] happen sometimes people like I can

[43:30] afford that and I'm willing to pay that

[43:33] as opposed to I'll give you an example

[43:35] that happened there was somebody putting

[43:36] out their trash ear and so I roll down

[43:39] like you know it's too early to put out

[43:40] your trash like oh it's only $50 off

[43:43] like I can afford that in no big deal

[43:46] and so I was like really I was going up

[43:48] to

[43:49] 200 so um and I did hear that and so um

[43:55] you know I think in matters how impacts

[43:58] and financially off so once once it gets

[44:01] in front of a judge we absolutely have

[44:04] no control over it the judge then can

[44:06] say you know this can go from 12 from a

[44:09] th000 they can bring it down to

[44:11] $100 I mean the judge certainly has full

[44:14] control to do that but we generally go

[44:16] in and make an offer the judges

[44:19] typically follow what we agree to with

[44:23] the defendant so we'll uh conference

[44:28] with the defendant or we'll make the

[44:30] offer in open court um but so the

[44:33] maximum fine for the first defense is

[44:37] $250 um so in order

[44:42] to

[44:44] uh increase the likelihood that someone

[44:47] is going to settle typically we offer

[44:50] $150 time sometimes a high as 200 if

[44:54] there's something egregious about it if

[44:57] we were

[44:59] to uh go hard and fast with the maximum

[45:02] buy then there's not necessarily a

[45:04] reason for people to settle and so then

[45:06] we have the added resources of the city

[45:09] having to prosecute cases through

[45:11] trial um not knowing whether the extra

[45:15] $50 or $100 is really going to make a

[45:17] difference in how it hits someone's

[45:19] wallet so if if you want the fine for example the first violation to be

[45:24] hard and fast at $250

[45:27] then my recommendation would be to raise

[45:29] the fines generally so that we could

[45:32] offer $250 as a way to settle it rather

[45:37] than again there's a lot of resources

[45:39] that go into trying a

[45:41] case um and becomes is it worth it to

[45:45] the city uh to do that of course in some

[45:49] cases we have to but to do that on every

[45:51] single one because we want the maximum f

[45:54] um the only way to alleviate that raise

[45:57] the fine you want to collect $250 or we

[46:02] can offer $200 that's just $50 less but

[46:05] again the further away you go from the

[46:08] maximum fine the less likely someone's

[46:11] going to be to leave and to just agree

[46:14] to pay the fine rather than goes through

[46:15] the trial process where they may be

[46:17] found not

[46:18] guilty Patrick well that's why I mean um

[46:21] I I when you suggested the 500 the th000

[46:24] and the and the 2,000 I I I just felt

[46:27] like in in looking at this I felt like

[46:30] okay these were probably set so that

[46:32] there'd be more affordability for people

[46:34] to be able to pay the fine um so I here

[46:39] you know obviously you know that's that

[46:42] might be a stronger deterrent but I just

[46:43] wonder if it would at those levels mean

[46:47] that more and more people wouldn't pay

[46:49] the fine um and then we have to go

[46:51] through all the rest of the processes um

[46:54] I I I you know but I I hear why you're

[46:57] saying uh increase some I get that but

[47:01] um I just was worried that it would

[47:02] increase the workload on the other end

[47:04] of trying to pursue someone that may not

[47:07] be able to afford 500 or ,000 or $2,000

[47:11] but my response is why are we being

[47:13] convenient to violators and my hope is

[47:16] as you enforce this you do not live in a

[47:19] big city or it is big in some respects

[47:21] but it truly is not and I am under the

[47:23] perception of once it is starting to

[47:26] circulate through neighborhoods that the

[47:28] city of skty is pursuing the maximum

[47:31] penalties for these types of offenses I

[47:34] have to believe that individuals who are

[47:36] violating are going to take a second

[47:39] pause um or understand the severity of

[47:42] how we are evaluating these types of

[47:44] complaints moving forward because my

[47:46] caution is to what extent do we expect

[47:48] our residents to continue to be

[47:50] complicit and have we already lost

[47:52] residents from our city as we continue

[47:53] to revitalize our neighborhoods

[47:56] Revitalize downtown if we don't have the

[47:58] people here it's for not so I think that

[48:01] is more of a worry for me who is turning

[48:04] away from SCCY because of our inability

[48:06] to correct this not because we don't

[48:08] have the intent but just because we lack

[48:10] the execution and implementing this so I

[48:12] think we have to pick a

[48:15] [Music]

[48:17] path so for me when I look at the finds

[48:20] I don't see it as a way so they have the

[48:22] ability to pay to me I'm looking as a

[48:24] deter it's like don't make the noise

[48:29] and I wonder if when when leis offic go

[48:32] out they even have that discussion with

[48:34] people about that they even know Their

[48:36] fines exist for them you know if you

[48:39] continue to do this it's going to cost

[48:40] you we could find the city could find

[48:42] you finally $250 Etc are people aware

[48:46] because sometimes awareness makes a

[48:48] difference as well if they know

[48:49] eventually if this continues it's going

[48:52] to cost them money there are definitely

[48:55] circumstances where those conversations

[48:57] are had uh there are also circumstances

[49:00] where the conversations don't ever occur

[49:02] because the person's just looking at us

[49:04] through a door that they refuse to open

[49:06] um

[49:09] so I

[49:11] think um in a perfect world where we

[49:13] would be able to take somebody and and

[49:16] have a you know a conversation with them

[49:18] and explain to them you know why we're

[49:22] there the the problem with what's going

[49:25] on how to resolve it and what the

[49:27] penalties are and somebody being open

[49:29] and receptive to that conversation I

[49:32] think you know that would be great and I

[49:35] think you probably have more success but

[49:38] unfortunately all of our interactions

[49:40] don't end up going that way um some

[49:43] people are very combative and

[49:45] confrontational or under the influence

[49:47] of substances and not really in a

[49:50] position to really comprehend what what

[49:53] we're explaining to them but it it is is

[49:57] uh something that I will bring to my the

[50:02] patrol unit and explain that you know

[50:06] try your best to be very transparent

[50:10] about what

[50:12] the um penalties are for being found

[50:15] guilty of this especially for multiple

[50:17] offenses or repeat offenses and um you

[50:21] know I know that that is happening but

[50:24] I'll try to put more emphasis on

[50:27] um trying to do that as as much as

[50:31] possible I mean it's conceivable that we

[50:34] could just actually create just little

[50:36] small documental warning Sy say like

[50:39] here and for people when they no long

[50:42] need can just read through it and uh

[50:44] just so they have something that the

[50:46] documents that we were here and this is

[50:48] a concern and here's the um the possible

[50:51] outcom Contin we have done that for

[50:55] other things like informational handouts

[50:57] for you know this is what happens if

[50:59] you're the victim of a crime this is

[51:01] what happens when you know a detective

[51:03] is assigned to your case so you know

[51:05] that might be beneficial to to give a

[51:11] shot yeah I'm just going back to was

[51:14] mentioned moments ago in terms of video

[51:16] evidence it's a good thing but I don't

[51:18] think um we should encourage it to get

[51:20] people out there to go to video someone

[51:22] because it might put people danger but

[51:25] um can we do an affid statement and have

[51:28] them sub that in terms of video evidence

[51:32] and you just mentioned it can it can be

[51:33] dangerous because a person is

[51:34] intoxicated and you're going to video

[51:36] them so that you can get evidence for

[51:38] your case here you are on a premises and

[51:42] you know XYZ can happen in those

[51:45] situations that person would probably

[51:47] have to testify or have their name on

[51:51] the documentation so so I think that

[51:54] something we should encourage that for

[51:56] to give them an opportunity to say yes

[51:58] if you are there and you are the witness

[52:00] of it there's an opportunity for you to

[52:01] submit an

[52:02] affid to justify telling the police

[52:07] department um just um looking at this

[52:11] here and talking on the side of the

[52:12] commissioner I think we need to look at

[52:14] 182 and 183 chapter 183 because it's

[52:17] very important to look at 183 also

[52:19] because that's only the abatement is

[52:21] because there are certain things that we

[52:22] passed here a couple of years ago in

[52:24] terms of points that is relevant over to

[52:27] 183 that we need to address also because

[52:30] past revising 182 it would make any

[52:33] sense if we do not revise 183 so we need

[52:36] to broaden our schol at this point in

[52:39] time yeah I think actually um and we

[52:41] kind of touched on this at our at a

[52:43] previous meeting but even when we talk

[52:45] about the vehicle piece which I hope we

[52:48] will um that also will probably impact a

[52:51] different different ordinance as well in

[52:53] terms of traffic right I think sure um

[52:57] so that that would be there as well and

[53:00] there is I mean I guess I thought that

[53:02] 1827 was the how a citizen um makes a

[53:06] formal complaint Mr mudaron but I was

[53:10] wondering a question that I had was just

[53:13] um to the extent to which people might

[53:17] fear uh putting their name to something

[53:20] the retaliation I mean I know I have

[53:21] felt that myself even when I've called

[53:23] to make noise complaints and you know I

[53:25] get what your name and it's kind of like

[53:27] oh you know obviously I give them my

[53:29] name and my my address and such but

[53:31] there's always that you know I always

[53:33] say is the person going to know uh who

[53:36] it was and I I think that's why we take

[53:38] every effort to be the witness of the

[53:42] violation so that the initial caller is

[53:46] not even part of the proceedings it's

[53:50] the officer who personally observed the

[53:53] violation and um

[53:56] based it off of their

[53:59] college um going back to the finds I

[54:03] mean at this point I'm okay with with

[54:05] what's in there um you know again you're

[54:08] in your yard maybe having a a birthday

[54:11] party and you got neighbors who don't

[54:13] want to hear here it's tolerable to you

[54:15] so you know all of a sudden please show

[54:18] up at my door and be like you know turn

[54:20] it down

[54:25] there's

[54:55] e e

[56:29] about

[56:30] 2 that's good to

[56:32] know what we're identifying that what

[56:35] we're identifying in here and I think

[56:36] it's different if we have a community

[56:39] that's hesitant to put their name on

[56:41] these documents so you're not having

[56:42] them attach their name which is a huge

[56:45] component if the police department is

[56:47] unable to respond to every instant which

[56:49] we know they're not that's why I think

[56:51] it is crucial for the incidences that

[56:53] they do respond to for us to have a

[56:55] stronger approach and I pushed back and

[56:58] I out of fear of how think is going to

[57:02] respond to us if we remain uh slow or

[57:06] cautious to do anything different I just

[57:08] had an email and in one regard the

[57:11] resident says hey this is an issue I'm

[57:13] glad you're talking about it then the

[57:15] later half of the email he goes I don't

[57:16] even think you guys are going to really

[57:17] do anything and that is the expectation

[57:19] that I hear day in and day out it's why

[57:21] even bother I'm just going to suck this

[57:23] up and get through it and I I again I I

[57:27] don't think we're talking about the

[57:30] cocktail parties where you're

[57:31] celebrating a a birthday I think I'm

[57:35] talking I I know I'm talking about the

[57:37] Earth

[57:38] shattering window pounding vibrations

[57:42] and I think that is something that

[57:43] people can tell the difference on and if

[57:45] you're groping in those same arguments I wholeheartedly hope that the other

[57:50] members in our committee Public Safety

[57:52] Committee will at least will at least

[57:55] allow the public weigh in during public

[57:57] comment we choose to do something

[57:59] differently but I I urge the community

[58:01] to come out and give us your experiences

[58:04] give us your stories because that's

[58:05] what's going to be needed to ensure that

[58:07] what we're doing is with the right

[58:08] intent but I think staying the course

[58:11] that sends a poor message to the

[58:12] community and we have to do something

[58:14] different and the reason why I'm uh

[58:17] advocating for something as strong as

[58:19] this because without that without the

[58:21] drones without the law enforcement

[58:24] officers there's a there's a hug huge

[58:26] gap all Mr yes going back and as I had

[58:31] it marked last time we met to modify the

[58:33] section 1827 because there are many

[58:36] people there who will let who doesn't

[58:38] have a problem put their name on after

[58:41] so I would like to see that we put that

[58:43] in there and give them an opportunity

[58:45] whoever so desire there's an opportunity

[58:47] for you to make a statement and swore to

[58:49] it that yes you Witnesses and if the

[58:52] case was to go to trial they will show

[58:54] off and testify on that

[58:57] we can't just leave it blank and then

[58:58] we're not giving them opportunity

[59:00] because video evidence is one not a lot

[59:02] of people will do that and I don't

[59:03] encourage that safety reason but adding

[59:07] that into this section will help and yes

[59:09] you talk about um the shattering glasses

[59:13] this is why we need to look at the

[59:15] modified speaker because if we can

[59:17] address the modified speaker with a

[59:19] hydraulic lift putting this speak on top

[59:21] of these SUVs on the car and what we're

[59:24] doing here it just was time so that's

[59:27] why I would like to refer to Law

[59:31] Department how can we put something in

[59:33] place to to Target these modified

[59:36] speakers that they have these all

[59:38] hydraulic system in they car do we need

[59:41] to come up with something from the Law

[59:44] Department to kind of revise the city

[59:45] Charter to address that specifically

[59:48] because we have seen over the several

[59:51] months into the summer here a lot of

[59:53] those activities where they call it them

[59:55] car

[59:58] meet and their loud explosion with music

[1:00:01] and you know it's affecting the

[1:00:03] neighborhood that's the thing we need to

[1:00:05] address and at the same time this is

[1:00:06] going to be addressing these are these

[1:00:08] are residential but then we look at the

[1:00:10] car and driving down the street and

[1:00:12] shattering everybody's glass are shaking

[1:00:15] how

[1:00:16] be lot yeah I definitely I I really want

[1:00:20] to talk about the vehicles and I have to

[1:00:22] just say coincidentally I was on my walk

[1:00:24] this morning headed back towards my

[1:00:26] house and there was a vehicle and I you

[1:00:29] know had just finished you know going

[1:00:30] through all of this and there was a

[1:00:32] vehicle parked on you know I think I was

[1:00:34] on Keys uh on the side of the road

[1:00:37] glaring music out the out the window um

[1:00:41] just sitting in front of this house um

[1:00:43] and they just kept pumping it up higher

[1:00:45] and higher and higher um and I I

[1:00:47] actually the the person I walked with

[1:00:49] said don't like I because I literally

[1:00:51] wanted to go over and say Hey you know

[1:00:54] you you really and and you know my my

[1:00:56] walking partner said don't don't you

[1:00:57] dare go over there um uh in in case you

[1:01:01] know something happened but I think the

[1:01:03] car thing is really um important and

[1:01:05] Miss Porterfield brought up at our last

[1:01:07] meeting about the

[1:01:09] Mufflers um and the fact that people are

[1:01:11] um you know modifying Mufflers which is

[1:01:14] um in 1824 section B um and I wanted to

[1:01:19] bring up that you

[1:01:21] know I think also we might consider a

[1:01:24] penalty on you installers I mean I don't

[1:01:27] know if people are just installing them

[1:01:28] themselves or if there's actually places

[1:01:30] that we could um you know think that are

[1:01:33] this is this is happening at different

[1:01:36] Service uh places I I don't know I I I

[1:01:39] but I mean that to me I think they

[1:01:41] should be fined as well if there's if

[1:01:42] there's people that are actually

[1:01:44] installing these modified devices that

[1:01:46] we should issue some sort of penalty

[1:01:48] there as well my question ass is it

[1:01:52] legal I you're trying

[1:01:54] to I I don't want to be rude I just I

[1:01:57] had an obligation

[1:01:59] so so these modified things on the cars

[1:02:03] the musers the crazy the speakers all

[1:02:05] that are those legal I mean is there

[1:02:08] something some part of law that says you

[1:02:10] can't to that degree yeah there's a in

[1:02:13] the vehicle on traffic law there's an

[1:02:15] entire section that um covers

[1:02:18] modifications or or it's uh what we call

[1:02:21] equipment violations so there's a whole

[1:02:23] section with um legal tolerances for

[1:02:27] certain additions or modifications that

[1:02:29] are made to vehicles that go all the way

[1:02:31] from you know how high off the ground

[1:02:33] your license plate is supposed to be so

[1:02:36] it really gets into the Weeds on those

[1:02:39] types of modifications and um you know

[1:02:42] pertaining to the equipment on the

[1:02:44] vehicle thank yeah you're fine you don't

[1:02:47] need to answer this so um just and

[1:02:50] everyone knows see

[1:02:51] fix you're good and thank you very much

[1:02:55] have a good weekend

[1:02:56] yeah thank you for the opportunity thank

[1:02:58] you thank you um this connected pv's

[1:03:02] website I mean I'm on there frequently

[1:03:04] especially with the with the loud noises

[1:03:06] this white Audi that drives by my house

[1:03:09] and and Shakes the whole house

[1:03:10] constantly so of course I get license

[1:03:12] plates the other day in front of the

[1:03:14] funeral home there's a black Lexus I

[1:03:15] actually walked up and and told the

[1:03:17] gentleman to turn it down I mean it just

[1:03:19] shakes and it vibrates I take their

[1:03:21] license plate numbers and the make of

[1:03:22] the car and I turn it in on the SPD

[1:03:25] website um so they can be aware of

[1:03:27] what's out there and I encourage

[1:03:28] everyone to do that um on that website

[1:03:31] you can either put your name which which

[1:03:33] I always do or it can be anonymous so

[1:03:36] again just so that you know they can't

[1:03:38] be everywhere so they have an idea of

[1:03:39] what's going on so um and I I just want

[1:03:42] to say this is this is a huge issue with

[1:03:44] me as well so I'm not by U Mr Williams

[1:03:47] when I said I the fines I'm okay with

[1:03:48] the fines um I'm not not doing anything

[1:03:51] there's things that need to be done and

[1:03:53] again I don't even know people are

[1:03:55] realizing that there are finds for

[1:03:57] disturbances like this and as far as a

[1:03:59] cocktail party in the yard yeah you know

[1:04:02] when people's yards are butt each other

[1:04:05] um people are trying to have a a

[1:04:07] conversation at at their back table and

[1:04:10] the people behind them are playing not

[1:04:12] excessively loud music they've actually

[1:04:14] walked over asked the individuals to

[1:04:16] lower the music but the people don't so

[1:04:18] you don't have any choice but to reach

[1:04:20] out to the PD um so it's not you know

[1:04:23] there there are individuals that are

[1:04:25] being being annoyed not by R you know

[1:04:28] loud vibrating music just Everyday Music

[1:04:32] that's too loud in your neighborhood

[1:04:34] when you're trying to enjoy yourself out

[1:04:36] painting or weing or having a general

[1:04:38] conversation at your table so I just

[1:04:41] want to say that but I I just write

[1:04:43] things down put it out you know report

[1:04:45] whatever you see

[1:04:48] whenever I just want in in the in regard

[1:04:51] to vehicles I know the speakers does

[1:04:53] section 1824

[1:04:57] j2v address

[1:05:01] that

[1:05:03] well up I think it's a little bit

[1:05:05] too yeah 182 could you just repeat that

[1:05:09] sure

[1:05:11] 1824

[1:05:13] jound oh no yeah

[1:05:16] 2 yeah

[1:05:19] no no that is where we talk about the um

[1:05:23] mufflers and such great but I think it

[1:05:25] needs to be nail down a little bit more

[1:05:26] in terms of modifying I agree totally

[1:05:30] agree especially those those low rider

[1:05:32] cars that are right on

[1:05:35] the

[1:05:36] it's

[1:05:38] 1824 section

[1:05:41] B and B3 is um you know that's where I

[1:05:44] put my question about whether places

[1:05:45] that install it could also get

[1:05:48] fined but I don't know enough about it

[1:05:51] to know whether that's how these

[1:05:52] Mufflers are being modified yeah they

[1:05:55] take them some they do take or or they

[1:05:57] know how to

[1:05:58] do um my my only other comment I really

[1:06:01] wanted to make sure that we as we're

[1:06:03] considering all these things we because

[1:06:05] I get a lot of complaints about this

[1:06:07] construction so we have to make sure

[1:06:09] when we're looking at construction but

[1:06:10] construction people start work at 6:00

[1:06:11] in the morning what they do so you know

[1:06:14] how do we even address that because that

[1:06:17] gets them from 6:00 to 3:

[1:06:20] they

[1:06:22] I I also circled that but I think think

[1:06:26] that you know I mean people especially

[1:06:29] like when you think about the summer

[1:06:30] time um I think that folks are trying to

[1:06:32] get their work done um in terms of the

[1:06:35] early morning hours where it's less

[1:06:37] humid that kind of thing so I

[1:06:40] think I think that one's a tough one and

[1:06:43] people might just have to deal with um

[1:06:45] the construction noise but my response

[1:06:48] would be if you're dealing with it as

[1:06:49] you're driving to work if you're dealing

[1:06:51] with it as you're trying to go to sleep

[1:06:52] at night and if you're dealing with it

[1:06:54] because the roads are getting PID

[1:06:55] repaved again to to to what Avail so I

[1:06:58] think it's just a lot um I I know we

[1:07:01] weren't meant to kind of solve anything

[1:07:03] is more have a pre-c

[1:07:05] conversation community meeting which I I

[1:07:07] very much want to just identify I

[1:07:09] appreciate everyone coming out and being

[1:07:11] present for this discussion I also want

[1:07:13] to make sure we we capture the fact that

[1:07:16] Miss BR I want to make sure I we heard

[1:07:18] her statement of if we're going to

[1:07:20] continue with these efforts it has to be

[1:07:23] worth your time and that's that's what I

[1:07:24] hear or you don't have the ability to

[1:07:26] respond to every incident uh small small

[1:07:31] figures did I did not hear you correctly

[1:07:33] where trying to to not go to trial

[1:07:38] you're accepting pleas because to go to

[1:07:41] trial for every offense is not realistic

[1:07:43] especially if the fine ultimately is

[1:07:48] $250 yes I mean we it it doesn't really

[1:07:52] make sense to take every to trial

[1:07:57] um but if that's what the council wants

[1:08:01] we can do that I mean if we're here to

[1:08:04] do what you know we Implement what you

[1:08:07] legislate so if if the council wants to

[1:08:10] take everyone to trial we can but

[1:08:12] unfortunately that's going to stress the

[1:08:15] resources of the Law Department if we

[1:08:17] had unlimited resources that might be

[1:08:20] different but that's just not the

[1:08:21] reality of it we're a small But Mighty

[1:08:24] team um um but and and the thing is that

[1:08:28] taking everything to trial

[1:08:30] like if you if you take it to trial you

[1:08:33] have to prove the case and we may not

[1:08:37] always be able to because of certain

[1:08:40] circumstances and then we can do all

[1:08:42] that work and then we get zero so when

[1:08:45] we take please it kind of works for both

[1:08:49] sides because it's a deterrent to the

[1:08:53] offender because they've had to pay pay

[1:08:55] a fine and at the same time the Law

[1:08:59] Department doesn't have to put in all of

[1:09:02] the effort and resources to take it

[1:09:04] other way to trial but again if if the

[1:09:07] council were to decide that we would

[1:09:09] certainly take everyone to trial um my

[1:09:12] recommendation instead would be if you

[1:09:14] want $250 to be the standard that we

[1:09:17] request of the port or that we agreed to

[1:09:21] as a plea then raise the maximum fine so

[1:09:25] that we're

[1:09:26] giving them a quotequote break in order

[1:09:28] to plea barain and that's why people

[1:09:30] plea because they're taking a lesser um

[1:09:34] penalty in exchange for them also not

[1:09:38] having the risk of going to court and

[1:09:39] losing and having to pay the maximum

[1:09:41] fine it's all a negotiation when you go

[1:09:43] to court and before I opening up to

[1:09:46] questions again I just want to make

[1:09:47] clear my intent is not for the the Law

[1:09:49] Department to take everyone to trial I

[1:09:51] don't think we are truly going to have

[1:09:53] everyone documenting or submitting these

[1:09:55] complaints uh because in some regards

[1:09:58] that is a luxury that others have than

[1:10:00] not where I think if you're working two

[1:10:02] jobs or if you're riding bus and you

[1:10:03] don't have a computer I think you're

[1:10:05] limited in how you can submit a

[1:10:06] complaint um but what I will say is I

[1:10:09] think if we are at least responding to

[1:10:11] the egregious offenders I think yes we

[1:10:13] need to have a strong expectation to to

[1:10:17] see those through with no considerations

[1:10:20] for fleas because again I think that

[1:10:21] sets an undue presence where said it's a

[1:10:24] Miss porterfield's point

[1:10:26] what is

[1:10:27] $50 and if you know you're having this

[1:10:29] party and you want to enjoy yourself

[1:10:30] what's $200 to have a good

[1:10:33] time

[1:10:34] Mr let let me go back to the m during

[1:10:38] our discussion in terms of the fee

[1:10:41] increase proposed Fe increase which

[1:10:43] we're going to hear from Monday from the

[1:10:45] police department we touch on on the

[1:10:47] modify exhaust and the speaker and there

[1:10:49] is no legislation directly to kind of to

[1:10:52] modify speaker but to exhaust is a state

[1:10:55] La so what the police can only do is to

[1:10:57] enforce it and by enforcing they will um

[1:11:02] get a portion of that Revenue so I think

[1:11:04] that's what they going to be touching on

[1:11:05] Monday because we can as a local body

[1:11:08] Institute that it's a state l so they

[1:11:10] will try to see how they can put

[1:11:12] resource to enforce that like how they

[1:11:15] do the DWI check and you know all these

[1:11:17] different um seat Bel stuff uh to get

[1:11:21] that going so I don't know how we can

[1:11:23] address that on the local level but more

[1:11:26] PD enforcement and whenever they have

[1:11:29] the resources to the in terms of the fee

[1:11:32] I just want to to talk

[1:11:35] and um the garbage violation on the

[1:11:39] garbage garbage violation I mean yes we

[1:11:41] have seen a lot of violation there but

[1:11:44] then if you've go into the neighborhood

[1:11:46] two months ago and you were to go back

[1:11:48] today you will see drastic difference

[1:11:51] the garbage can is not on the front

[1:11:52] porch and garbage can is not on the

[1:11:54] front site walk they're all the way at

[1:11:56] the back of the house why because

[1:11:58] somebody received a violation that you

[1:12:00] were not putting your garbage was

[1:12:02] improperly stored so it's more of an

[1:12:04] enforcement to tell you that you are in

[1:12:06] violation of your garbage take it to the

[1:12:09] back of the house so I think for the

[1:12:11] approach here I don't have an issue

[1:12:13] either up or down with the fees but it's

[1:12:15] more of a enforcement and a stronger

[1:12:17] enforcement of the

[1:12:20] no and agree with uh the Law Department

[1:12:24] we have to also look at the result

[1:12:25] Source we cannot tie up all the

[1:12:27] department with a lot of um all these

[1:12:29] evidence and all sort of things to

[1:12:30] present the course so we give them an

[1:12:32] opportunity to so okay let's ble a case

[1:12:34] there is an opportunity for you to B

[1:12:36] guilty and pay fine and move on and at

[1:12:39] the same time also um we talked the last

[1:12:41] time about Pro because there are a lot

[1:12:44] of things that people are doing events

[1:12:45] special events and things of that for

[1:12:47] the you know the young kids we should

[1:12:50] work on a Institute a permit and that

[1:12:53] permit will carry a lot of information

[1:12:56] about the host so the PD instead of

[1:12:58] going down there they can from the pring

[1:13:01] they can call the hes and ask them to

[1:13:04] you know receive complaint you should

[1:13:06] turn your music down and you know if

[1:13:08] your perit expired you should take it

[1:13:11] off so I think um that is something that

[1:13:13] we should look at

[1:13:15] into

[1:13:17] and we talk about um Fireworks yes we we

[1:13:23] need to look at that also it's not

[1:13:24] because

[1:13:25] that is that is a noise usess also how

[1:13:28] do we do that this go back to the affid

[1:13:31] if the person can sign that affid I say

[1:13:33] yes my neighbor John light off you know

[1:13:36] a whole bunch of fireworks you know so

[1:13:39] be it show up the court and testify and

[1:13:42] those we have to give uh people that

[1:13:44] opportunity to to do that but I just

[1:13:46] want to go back to the modified speaker

[1:13:48] I am going to try to reach to

[1:13:50] commissioner and U our cooperation

[1:13:53] Council to see how we can draft

[1:13:54] something to add to this modifi this at

[1:13:56] the same time in terms of addressing

[1:13:58] these loud speak

[1:14:04] from well I was just looking at you know

[1:14:06] maybe the scale of mention the agre bi

[1:14:10] that rep what we have in code now

[1:14:14] sufficient

[1:14:16] enough that there you know obviously

[1:14:18] keing should probably be enough

[1:14:20] depending on

[1:14:21] numbers um but then you know there

[1:14:24] repeat fenders we want to look at the

[1:14:27] fines and increase them because there's

[1:14:30] a lot of

[1:14:31] resources the triy

[1:14:33] off so I think that's one way to take a

[1:14:36] look at it so we can address those

[1:14:38] repeat fenders in a way

[1:14:41] thater advoca for find I'm I'm yeah yeah

[1:14:46] yes or no

[1:14:49] yes I'm sorry Patrick before um well I

[1:14:53] just um the enforcement piece I mean I

[1:14:55] think as we go I mean I think we have to

[1:14:57] be realistic as well in terms of the

[1:14:59] numbers of people that we Staffing um so

[1:15:03] as we start to go into our budget

[1:15:05] discussions um you know we have to be

[1:15:07] aware of that because it also when I

[1:15:10] think about the traffic uh measures

[1:15:12] which we will also be addressing again

[1:15:14] on Monday um it's the same issue you

[1:15:17] know I think actually the mayor started

[1:15:20] our meeting by talking about the

[1:15:21] priorities and and our chief um brought

[1:15:25] it up as well because these are not

[1:15:27] going to be their High priorities so we

[1:15:29] either have to increase the Staffing um

[1:15:31] so that they can you know be able to uh

[1:15:34] allocate their their human resources in

[1:15:37] a way to help us enforce these things um

[1:15:40] because I think the enforcement is key

[1:15:43] um whether it's speeding uh the red

[1:15:45] lights I mean we had some when we first

[1:15:47] started these discussions about the

[1:15:48] traffic stuff um you know basically or

[1:15:52] if we you know on my ride along I mean

[1:15:54] you know they're like you know we can't

[1:15:56] necessarily go

[1:15:57] to after somebody that's going through a

[1:15:59] red light if we're going to get a call

[1:16:01] that you know something more serious is

[1:16:03] happening so how do we hand you know I

[1:16:06] think we have to I just want to bring

[1:16:08] that up that when we start our budget

[1:16:09] discussions I think this is going to be

[1:16:11] something that's we need to think about

[1:16:15] so um first of all I think we should

[1:16:16] increase the fees based on especially

[1:16:19] Bas on what our Corporation Council is

[1:16:20] saying because that gives them room to

[1:16:22] negotiate so raise it up a little bit

[1:16:25] and they can come to what we would

[1:16:27] really like to get so I think that's U

[1:16:29] part of it in terms of enforcement I

[1:16:31] agree however I'm not sure if we

[1:16:33] increase our staff if it's still going

[1:16:35] to get them to this place because still

[1:16:38] because it's sometimes it's

[1:16:40] da that you call noise violation they

[1:16:43] show like three days later with them so

[1:16:47] I'm not sure if increasing Staffing is

[1:16:49] going to address that in that way

[1:16:51] because what I believe will happen is

[1:16:53] then the higher priority calls still

[1:16:56] come first they still will so I'm not

[1:16:58] sure if that's necessarily the answer I think that part of it is that we're

[1:17:02] not people don't know but there's a f people we we have to we have

[1:17:07] to put the information you will get a f

[1:17:09] for I agree and then we have to I don't

[1:17:11] know if even it needs to be the police

[1:17:13] department do we even have a separate

[1:17:15] department just handle getting those

[1:17:17] finds out there I

[1:17:19] totally so um and that might be a little

[1:17:23] less expensive

[1:17:25] the police trying to do that I think we

[1:17:27] have to look at it at various ways which

[1:17:30] U which is most beneficial financially

[1:17:31] for the city and for people to say you

[1:17:34] know I'm not going to do that and then

[1:17:35] just basically respect your neighbors

[1:17:38] because that's really what it really BLS

[1:17:39] down to you just only are concerned

[1:17:41] about you and your party and you don't

[1:17:43] care that you know that over here I'm

[1:17:45] like I'm living with an elderly person

[1:17:48] or I have a dog or whatever the

[1:17:49] situation may be so I think that we we

[1:17:53] know I don't think we do enough to to

[1:17:54] inform the public about really what like

[1:17:58] the mayor talks about Behavior a lot but

[1:18:00] we don't really we talk about Behavior

[1:18:01] around the stable how often do we talk

[1:18:03] the behavior to our

[1:18:06] community Mr T oh and and I I agree with

[1:18:09] u Miss Porterfield Zero Tolerance I mean

[1:18:12] it needs to get out there it won't be

[1:18:13] tolerated even though we're not going to

[1:18:15] be able to enforce it right now the way

[1:18:17] we want to zero tolerance there's a fine

[1:18:20] um it might deter some and uh again as as AC anovich said I've been working

[1:18:27] for three years with the PD uh on this

[1:18:29] ticket which is which is almost ready so

[1:18:32] it's it's it's not going to be when when the police come and issue a

[1:18:36] ticket it's not going to be a 2hour kind

[1:18:39] of ticket it's going to be a quick

[1:18:42] appearance ticket it's going to be boom boom you know check off uh what

[1:18:46] your offenses are at that particular

[1:18:48] time and triplicate hand it off and

[1:18:50] you're out of there they sign it and

[1:18:52] you're gone so that will allow them to

[1:18:54] when they're driving down the street

[1:18:55] there's a muffler in front of them and

[1:18:57] they want to ticket it they don't want

[1:18:58] to pull them over right now you know why

[1:19:00] cuz they're on the way to another call

[1:19:01] you don't know what's in qu waiting to

[1:19:03] for them to to respond to so um all

[1:19:07] those things but again Zero Tolerance we

[1:19:09] can't we I I mean my neighborhood is

[1:19:12] just

[1:19:14] insane insane it's definitely Mr Man but

[1:19:18] I want to make a comment I've heard it

[1:19:20] multiple times like in our current

[1:19:21] political system and and in the military

[1:19:25] a non- enforceable law is a suggestion

[1:19:27] so I hear you guys highlight the the

[1:19:29] importance of enforcement you know we

[1:19:31] don't have it because uh they're Limited

[1:19:34] in what they can respond to and also

[1:19:35] we're Limited in how many officers we

[1:19:37] have so where is the give and and and we

[1:19:41] then say we're just going to say we have

[1:19:43] zero tolerance but KN in the backend we

[1:19:45] don't have the ability to respond to

[1:19:46] them I feel like we're again we're

[1:19:47] setting our community up for for

[1:19:49] disappointment

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[1:19:51] Mr just wondering

[1:19:55] the in the fenses are acop options that

[1:19:59] you get some people might be their first

[1:20:01] time or you know they get ticketed there

[1:20:03] the fine and give you an acod which

[1:20:06] would be six month AC contemplation

[1:20:09] dismiss six months about any violations

[1:20:11] we can dismiss it excuse me please you

[1:20:14] know look at the different sentencing

[1:20:18] options well that would be more

[1:20:21] complaints coming in and how do you know

[1:20:24] got an acod this how do you know when I

[1:20:26] come is the judge going to be able to

[1:20:28] know that you get the world Department

[1:20:30] would say this is not first time Mar has

[1:20:34] been here three times before so no more

[1:20:36] ACS for her they must know that

[1:20:39] right the court would have a record of

[1:20:42] the ACs but if you're if

[1:20:45] you're that sounds different that's like

[1:20:52] reducing we yeah I was thinking where

[1:20:54] increase the sign but there are those

[1:20:58] that that you know I I screwed up and

[1:21:01] you know just as another option yeah we

[1:21:04] can always offer an AC I mean there's

[1:21:06] exceptions to every rule but generally

[1:21:09] like I said we typically offer

[1:21:12] 150

[1:21:14] um 200 because it's used in criminal

[1:21:17] matters all the time right but if the

[1:21:21] council

[1:21:23] wants it's just it's just a conversation that's all I am

[1:21:28] not in

[1:21:31] favor German contemplation of

[1:21:35] noise um so we have to bear in mind I

[1:21:40] can I can

[1:21:41] speak historically I'm being in the

[1:21:43] council every time we make changes to

[1:21:45] any city

[1:21:48] laws it it it creates or it asks for

[1:21:52] more resource to enforce it

[1:21:55] M we can say we can change after 13 182

[1:21:58] and 183 and said let it go there and we

[1:22:01] expect the PD to enforce it we we're

[1:22:04] being unfair to any Department if we

[1:22:06] were to do that so we have to factor in

[1:22:09] that because this what we're doing here

[1:22:11] is good for our community but at the

[1:22:12] same time we need to give the department

[1:22:16] the resource to enforce it and let me

[1:22:19] just go back a little bit and talk about

[1:22:21] Nuance Department back in time it only

[1:22:23] one m one person right we have four now

[1:22:27] and it's the reason why we're seeing

[1:22:30] that our neighborhood are being clean it

[1:22:32] is because the resource at their

[1:22:34] disposal they're fully staed and they're

[1:22:36] going out there every single day and

[1:22:38] they're enforcing the violation and it's

[1:22:40] ticket and we're seeing our neighborhood

[1:22:42] are cleaning day by day we're seeing

[1:22:45] cleaning so the same thing going to be

[1:22:46] happening here we're going to have to

[1:22:48] make sure that we revise this to the

[1:22:49] best we can to make sure that our

[1:22:51] neighborhood are be addressed the

[1:22:54] concern but at the same time address

[1:22:57] resource resource to make sure that is put in place and they don't have to

[1:23:02] wait 3 days we're going to have the

[1:23:04] drones and we have somebody man the

[1:23:05] Drone we have somebody right there to

[1:23:07] take care of that to go over there res

[1:23:09] You by appearance ticket a person show

[1:23:11] up the court and then you know it takes

[1:23:14] a course from there

[1:23:16] on so just to piggyback on that I do

[1:23:18] think that um I totally agree and I

[1:23:21] think that there first of all we need to

[1:23:24] having them at the table and I know he

[1:23:26] you know he had to leave so but I mean

[1:23:28] as we move forward obviously they'd

[1:23:30] still be involved in these discussions

[1:23:32] but because I've always thought maybe

[1:23:34] there's a way to you know inist the help

[1:23:36] of retirees from the I mean in other

[1:23:38] words there might be Creative Solutions

[1:23:41] uh to some of the staffing issues but

[1:23:43] that's you know we need them to be uh

[1:23:46] voicing their opinions on that I just

[1:23:48] wanted to reiterate that I think whether

[1:23:50] it's this issue whether it's the traffic

[1:23:52] issue whether it's the trash issue the

[1:23:55] education and the behavioral change is

[1:23:57] key so I think we are going to have to

[1:23:59] uh think about that and think about how

[1:24:01] do we advertise it how do we Market it

[1:24:03] you know what are the resources that

[1:24:04] we're going to need to do to do that um

[1:24:07] and then I also just want to say before

[1:24:09] I mean two things before we before we

[1:24:11] leave or just so when we continue our

[1:24:13] discussion we do need to talk about

[1:24:15] animals um and we do need to talk about

[1:24:17] the parks um animals and what the noise

[1:24:21] that there might be dogs that are left

[1:24:23] outside you know eight hours or

[1:24:25] something and they're barking like crazy

[1:24:27] it's it's in here but I'm just saying

[1:24:29] it's something that we didn't talk about

[1:24:30] here and I do want us to do that and

[1:24:32] then also just those public parks that

[1:24:35] we all I mean I think we all can see

[1:24:37] when we are walking in our parks that um

[1:24:40] you know there's vehicles that are

[1:24:41] making noise there's people that are

[1:24:43] making noise all doesn't matter the day

[1:24:45] or you know the time um so you know one

[1:24:48] thing that I noticed um I think that

[1:24:51] again it's it's a resource thing but we

[1:24:53] might want to have sign in our parks

[1:24:55] where the um non-emergency number um is visible on on signage in terms of you

[1:25:01] know how does somebody report um a

[1:25:04] complaint as well so those were the last

[1:25:07] things that I just wanted to indicate

[1:25:11] before we

[1:25:12] leave before I go um next meeting can we

[1:25:16] have both chapters 182 and 183 so that

[1:25:20] we can kind of refer to 183 to what some

[1:25:23] meting the next meeting yes so we'll kind of like we have we must look

[1:25:27] at four

[1:25:29] chapters uh any other questions or com

[1:25:31] what's our next I mean in other words

[1:25:33] back to what you said in terms of the

[1:25:34] other email or the end of the email that

[1:25:36] you received today I mean you know I

[1:25:39] want to make sure that we do take action

[1:25:42] um so I just didn't you know wanted to

[1:25:43] see what your thoughts were in terms of

[1:25:45] an action plan and our timeline and and

[1:25:48] that Ty of thing so I would say in my

[1:25:50] recommendations earlier with focusing on

[1:25:52] adjusting the time frame for un reason

[1:25:54] noise um adjusting the fines and then

[1:25:56] focusing on the permits I think that

[1:25:58] takes into account that our enforcement

[1:26:00] is our enforcement so I don't foresee or forecast any significant changes to

[1:26:06] the police department's Staffing levels

[1:26:08] um I think enforcement is affected in a

[1:26:11] positive way with the introduction of

[1:26:12] drones which according to ACN no's

[1:26:15] accounts are potentially end of this

[1:26:17] year hopefully the beginning of next

[1:26:20] year so again we're asking the community

[1:26:22] to be patient which they've been doing

[1:26:25] for a number of years so that is why

[1:26:27] increasing the fines um I think gives M

[1:26:30] rash's Department the ability to when we

[1:26:33] respond to the few instances that we can

[1:26:36] that it has more of a substantial impact

[1:26:38] to the thing that everyone cares most

[1:26:40] about which is your your wallet but also

[1:26:43] it has a reverting impact on the

[1:26:45] community that they are no longer

[1:26:47] accepting fleas uh because the instances

[1:26:49] that we do respond to are such a small

[1:26:52] uh uh composite of all of the issues to

[1:26:54] our city we need that to have a

[1:26:56] magnified um impact so I think if we

[1:26:59] were responding to a few instances those

[1:27:02] instances that we're responding to need

[1:27:04] to have weight and impact if that makes

[1:27:06] sense so so I guess I think basically

[1:27:09] what's mone's meeting that look like in

[1:27:11] terms of you know what what we leave

[1:27:14] from this you'll be bringing from this

[1:27:16] meeting with the committee to the

[1:27:18] meeting on Monday that's the question so

[1:27:22] I would say listening with the

[1:27:24] collective I know this is not a full

[1:27:25] representation of our Collective Council

[1:27:28] it seems as if we're saying we need to

[1:27:30] increase um awareness which I agree on

[1:27:33] um however we need to allow the uh

[1:27:37] ticketing process as it currently exists

[1:27:39] to continue on and I'm trying to be

[1:27:42] positive but it it sounds like we need

[1:27:45] to increase enforcement which we can but

[1:27:48] we need to make sure the community is

[1:27:49] aware that there's a ticketing um which

[1:27:52] to some degree I don't think is going to

[1:27:53] have impact on your ability to like

[1:27:56] adhere to being a good Samaran or

[1:27:58] not so well I thought we would

[1:28:02] increasing the fin one discussion I

[1:28:05] would say from the individuals in the

[1:28:06] committee it seems as though they're

[1:28:07] very they won't get out of

[1:28:10] comme so no I'm just going to Monday's

[1:28:13] meeting so what what is the purpose of

[1:28:15] Monday's meeting because we still we're

[1:28:17] still discussing here with gathering

[1:28:19] information and then present so what are

[1:28:21] we going to discuss Monday should we now

[1:28:23] wait hold on another special meeting um

[1:28:26] special public safety meeting try to get

[1:28:29] some draft information in and present to

[1:28:30] the entire Council Monday so what I

[1:28:33] would ask is for everyone to as you had

[1:28:35] your comments I took a vigorous amount

[1:28:37] of notes and I hope think shitty clerk

[1:28:39] was also taking notes also I would ask

[1:28:41] in similar format if everyone could just

[1:28:44] document your takeaways and either send

[1:28:47] those in this m

[1:28:48] gr or you can well I'd say that's

[1:28:50] probably the best case uh and then we

[1:28:52] compile them but in addition I think

[1:28:55] there's a lot of credibility to

[1:28:56] commissioner divine's comment of looking

[1:28:58] at both chapter 182 and 183 collectively

[1:29:01] in that point system um so I think

[1:29:02] regardless of how we started this

[1:29:04] meeting um I think we still have good

[1:29:07] work or good outcomes to work towards

[1:29:11] um

[1:29:13] I um so okay so why don't you okay it's

[1:29:18] on the agenda Monday so why don't you

[1:29:20] give the entire Council an update or

[1:29:23] what was the discussion or today and

[1:29:25] then we continue and then come up with

[1:29:27] our um recommendation to the entire

[1:29:29] Council because we're going to discuss

[1:29:32] the same thing Monday doesn't make any

[1:29:33] sense no no I don't think that's what he

[1:29:35] said I think I think he's saying that we

[1:29:37] just give a um a report about the chair

[1:29:41] can give you a report of what happened

[1:29:42] like what Miss uh Patrick did and we

[1:29:45] still continue to meet still continue to

[1:29:47] put information together and come up

[1:29:48] with a draft and then present to the F

[1:29:50] Council agree so I don't um I don't know

[1:29:54] how much of a discussion we're going to

[1:29:55] have Monday because there's a lot of

[1:29:57] discussion here and a lot of takeaways

[1:29:59] for us to come up with a uh to start

[1:30:01] work ons but I me one of the points was

[1:30:04] uh looking at the system I think having

[1:30:07] that as a kind of light hold moment of

[1:30:10] that is an option we can have um as an

[1:30:12] objective I think we have that continued

[1:30:14] discussion as a council that might be

[1:30:16] something we're willing to move on

[1:30:17] forward in our committee so I would say

[1:30:19] as if we capture all of the takeaways

[1:30:22] and then we come to Monday and I do a

[1:30:24] summarization but if you feel more

[1:30:26] emboldened you want to take

[1:30:28] a take a direction we can so I think

[1:30:31] that's why leaving it is important um

[1:30:33] but still continue like I have never

[1:30:34] read 182 yet or 183 so I will and I then

[1:30:38] may be more open to a different

[1:30:41] direction exactly that's what I'm saying

[1:30:43] uari so to kind of give summary next

[1:30:46] Monday and then let's continue to work and make sure we

[1:30:50] address every um section on the both

[1:30:53] chapters and then bring it out to the

[1:30:55] full Council once we can get that

[1:30:57] agreement so move forward with I just

[1:31:00] think that I do want to say that I think

[1:31:02] that there might be things that um I I

[1:31:04] absolutely think we need to you know

[1:31:06] summarize our own questions and comments

[1:31:09] and get that to miss Miku um I

[1:31:11] definitely think we have to look at the

[1:31:12] other uh ordinance as well and review

[1:31:15] that but I hope that um there might be

[1:31:19] some things where we might even on

[1:31:20] Monday be able to make recommendations

[1:31:22] for motions

[1:31:24] um like increasing the fees like

[1:31:27] increasing the fees or you know you'd

[1:31:30] have to call for a public hear well we

[1:31:32] do have a public hearing um when is the

[1:31:34] public hearing there's no for public

[1:31:36] hearing oh there isn't I thought there

[1:31:37] was

[1:31:38] already want to do that let's take our

[1:31:40] time let's not jump on here we should do

[1:31:43] all together I think what is the public

[1:31:44] hearing that's coming up is it we have

[1:31:46] some public hearings public okay what is

[1:31:49] it okay and I just want to and I think

[1:31:52] that's something we should do need to

[1:31:54] talk to the law department and um the

[1:31:56] police department and probably the Law

[1:31:58] Department as well want to really just

[1:32:00] caution Us in terms of the the use of

[1:32:02] drones and people feeling about the the

[1:32:04] whole big brother thing because that may

[1:32:06] come into I think that's going to become

[1:32:08] a conversation where people feel like

[1:32:11] drones are over neighborhoods to pretty

[1:32:13] much control their behavior so I'm not

[1:32:16] sure that that if that's something we

[1:32:19] can even do or how much how much we want

[1:32:21] to do that so I think we should look

[1:32:23] into the the theity of that well I think

[1:32:26] I mean I think we've already moved

[1:32:27] forward with purchasing these drones and

[1:32:29] heard from our Police Department in

[1:32:30] terms of some of the various uses for

[1:32:32] the drones um I hear what you're saying

[1:32:36] um but I think it's the same I mean I'm

[1:32:39] still hoping that there's going to be

[1:32:40] speed cameras on the red lights I mean

[1:32:42] it's the same thing but we do have a

[1:32:44] responsibility to be trying to look and

[1:32:46] it's new techn I mean it's it is where

[1:32:48] we're at I mean in terms of the world in

[1:32:51] terms of being able to use the

[1:32:53] technology that that now is at our um

[1:32:56] available to us to be able to enforce

[1:32:58] things um we may just have to take some

[1:33:01] flap but I agree that when we have the

[1:33:04] public hearing we we might hear um we're

[1:33:07] going to hear I I mean I would have to

[1:33:08] say that probably increasing the fines

[1:33:10] we're going to hear from people that are

[1:33:11] going to say this is going to be too

[1:33:12] much of a hardship uh etc etc um in some

[1:33:16] of our in some of our you know I'm just

[1:33:19] saying I mean there's there's going to

[1:33:20] be various opinions based on people's

[1:33:22] income levels Etc where they're but I

[1:33:26] get that we want to have zero tolerance

[1:33:28] um so there's lot that's the term I'm

[1:33:30] going to

[1:33:31] use it's like out there and people

[1:33:33] aren't really crazy about it yeah so I

[1:33:35] mean we will hear all that in the H

[1:33:37] hearing but but we're going to have to

[1:33:39] still you know take all that information

[1:33:41] in hand and still make our own decisions

[1:33:43] based on as long as we're on good legal

[1:33:45] standing that's that for me is a concern

[1:33:48] oh yeah Abol make sure that we they

[1:33:50] can't sue us or anything for that so as

[1:33:52] long as we make sure that we have that

[1:33:54] um because people are very petitious and

[1:33:58] we get sued for a lot of things so can I

[1:34:01] just ask what exactly do you are you

[1:34:04] looking for from the law department for

[1:34:06] Monday so i' say disregard no so I think

[1:34:10] we're still in the uh information

[1:34:12] gathering phase I think your perspective

[1:34:14] was very valid and helped guide the

[1:34:15] conversation so thank you but uh just to

[1:34:18] capture I'm going to uh take a summary

[1:34:21] of what I the notes I took I'm going to

[1:34:22] ask everyone to still send your notes to

[1:34:24] miss Miku um I will will cross compare

[1:34:27] before Monday's meeting um but unless

[1:34:29] there are other directions we'd like to

[1:34:31] discuss I think M's point I'm not

[1:34:34] willing I don't want to take just an

[1:34:36] expedient approach but I want to ensure

[1:34:39] that we are still working towards an

[1:34:41] outcome yes that's I guess that's you

[1:34:43] know because I I think we do hear it

[1:34:44] often from folks that this Council you

[1:34:47] know we hear that complaint that you

[1:34:48] brought up earlier that we need to take

[1:34:51] some action yeah so uh definitely thank

[1:34:53] you for everyone taking the time I say

[1:34:55] unless there were any other questions or

[1:34:56] concerns we may have a motion to adjourn

[1:34:58] so move second all those in

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[1:35:06] favor can you provide transfer to us

[1:35:09] I'll try yes if you yeah you know that

[1:35:11] broke down while we meeting that's s we

[1:35:13] we'll still help us um no you know when

[1:35:15] it broke down the mayor was still up

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Schenectady City Committee Special Meeting, September 13, 2024

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