[0:03] thank

[0:06] you oh thank you

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[0:54] like to call the EMP city council

[0:55] committee meeting for

[0:58] Wednesday October

[1:00] we have one

[1:02] committee Finance thank you madam

[1:04] president I would like to reconvene the

[1:06] finance committee and we will continue

[1:09] um our discussion regarding the 2025 um

[1:14] proposed um

[1:16] budget just to summarize we um concluded

[1:19] our um hearing with the various

[1:21] department heads and um tonight what I'm

[1:25] going to ask there's a lot of reports

[1:26] that are submit to us um that we

[1:29] requested some of us what I'll do I'll

[1:32] just go through the reports one by one

[1:34] and ask any questions after we finish

[1:37] that then we'll we'll start an open

[1:39] discussion of where we um what

[1:42] suggestion we have

[1:43] or and we an open dialogue as we move

[1:47] forward U into any recommendation that

[1:49] we may

[1:50] have so this evening um we have this one

[1:53] here on Top This is the um report from

[1:56] um B regards to the bre D or $710,000

[2:01] and that has to do with the street

[2:03] lighting administrative expense

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[2:17] CLI on time if you have any

[2:20] questions can help here

[2:28] questions one of the the discuss

[2:32] recommendation was to um

[2:34] create another line instead of moving

[2:37] some of these from administrative

[2:38] expense that doesn't belong to

[2:39] administrative expense to separate 402a

[2:42] or one we were going to call it software

[2:44] and equipment that okay with

[2:46] you that's fin me I mean what the other

[2:50] member think about it so that

[2:53] WEP separate what is what is equipment

[2:56] and what is actually administrative

[2:58] exence

[3:00] this is all software stuff here so so do

[3:03] we name the entire line no we'll have to

[3:06] add another line 402 what is it

[3:11] A2 believe B actually going to be

[3:15] 427 a518

[3:18] 4277

[3:21] yeah it's to be called software okay

[3:24] yeah

[3:30] what are you going to name it software yeah it's all software or

[3:34] Hardware to this is software and

[3:35] Hardware this is mostly all

[3:41] software server upgrades maintenance

[3:45] lies

[3:47] renewals software

[3:54] renewals we have a we have a a count

[3:57] master in the count 27 is sof so oh okay that's want to know where we coming

[4:04] to the 427 okay got

[4:10] you all we go to this one here any

[4:14] um question on the

[4:21] breakdown the next one I'm going to go

[4:24] the is the

[4:25] arpa it's a break that we have we

[4:28] received from Anthony regards to the

[4:31] arpa spending and this

[4:34] CH the arpa

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[4:54] funding okay sorry I I have them in my

[4:57] order you may not have them in your

[4:59] order

[5:02] that's

[5:07] it this copy here want no no we have we

[5:11] should have copies everyone if you need

[5:14] copies by any chance let us know or we

[5:17] can share

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[5:31] is the office open

[5:33] S is the office open

[5:37] [Music]

[5:46] yes two copies of

[5:51] [Music]

[5:53] this I

[6:01] [Music]

[6:05] we can make copies

[6:07] [Music]

[6:36] a little

[6:43] festivity everyone should have a copy of

[6:46] this report here from um from fam with

[6:48] regards to the

[6:49] compensation for the reg

[6:54] that

[6:56] yes please um P this if you have

[7:00] questions we can uh we the stand and we

[7:03] can go with

[7:04] this but this is just telling us exactly

[7:07] what

[7:21] uh anybody need a copy of

[7:27] this okay so have a copy so we can go

[7:30] over um this if we have any questions

[7:34] please um

[7:36] [Music]

[7:54] ask I he the questions go ahead please

[7:56] call me so um a441

[7:59] assistant and city engineer moved to

[8:01] police you explain that pleas yeah as

[8:05] you Rec call remember the first day here

[8:06] that was the long line we eliminated

[8:09] that so what happened went to police

[8:13] over time so the money that was there

[8:15] yeah yeah because it was not an Aral

[8:17] line because the uh the Aral line for

[8:20] assistant police chief the assistant uh

[8:22] engineer we eliminated that

[8:25] position and how much was that I believe

[8:28] it was 90,000

[8:30] 0

[8:33] $19 probably in the first budget right

[8:35] go ahead please I just wanted uh to

[8:38] recall too uh uh we reduced uh peace

[8:43] overtime and fire overtime by

[8:46] 30,000 because we want to supplement the

[8:49] senior center program with arpa so we

[8:53] took the arle money from police of fire

[8:55] I spoke about this and we took it and we

[8:59] moved it to Senior Center ARA yeah um

[9:04] the question the question on that can we take that $6,000 from somewhere

[9:09] else take a

[9:12] look I I I would suggest that we take a

[9:15] look and see if we can take that

[9:16] somewhere from somewhere else

[9:19] good um if you don't mind please make a

[9:22] note of that so it's 30,000 plus 30 on

[9:26] the Fire

[9:31] it it doesn't show is something yeah you

[9:35] did talk about it and then I think there

[9:36] was some question around it Patrick has

[9:38] some question about that too so why why

[9:41] take it from the police Empire yeah so

[9:44] recommendation is that if we can find

[9:47] somewhere else take

[9:49] it was it for for me it was like the

[9:52] spur a moment thing that was the easiest

[9:54] thing to pick

[9:56] up well we don't want to be the

[9:57] newspaper tomorrow that we're taking

[10:00] the

[10:08] police

[10:09] so my big question is $3 million of arpa

[10:14] funding for these um these position or

[10:18] you know or or supplies or

[10:22] equipments if we were to carry this into

[10:24] next year and we don't have offer we

[10:26] have to find $3

[10:28] million to to sustain

[10:42] this how how do we I'm trying to you

[10:45] know be careful what I say how how are

[10:48] we in appro genic here in terms of

[10:54] this I have always looked at our our

[10:57] biggest liabilities it's also one of our

[11:00] biggest assets it's distressed

[11:02] property so we doing the foreclosures

[11:06] how do we bring it in and be able to

[11:10] Market it

[11:12] uh we keep chipping away at it as you

[11:15] drive through neighborhoods you see the

[11:17] improvements people are fixing up their

[11:20] houses uh some of the sales of course

[11:22] are not perfect but most of them done

[11:26] are good stories people gone in bought

[11:29] the houses fixed them up are living

[11:32] there even ones that have been flipped

[11:35] which you know it's not necessarily the

[11:37] primary goal of the uh my Administration

[11:41] for the council but we end up being

[11:43] owner occupied houses and so that is

[11:47] still an area

[11:50] where

[11:51] there's call it roughly $4

[11:54] million in potential revenue and the

[11:58] other side of it is the reduction

[12:02] in general operating expenses so we

[12:05] don't have to send code enforcement out

[12:07] we don't have to send the police inqu

[12:09] there we're not babysitting it uh and it

[12:13] also encourages the adjacent Property

[12:16] Owners feel more comfortable in fixing

[12:18] their property

[12:20] up and this lead me to ask a question in

[12:22] terms of the um Law Department hiring um

[12:27] assistant operation Council

[12:30] um there be any consideration to

[12:33] hire one or few or three to with real

[12:38] estate experience to help you push the sales is that something that can be

[12:45] considered so can I strengthen the

[12:47] office with more of legal yes it could be considered yes it is

[12:52] considered and some of that is also uh

[12:56] some of a dynamic process so that if in

[12:59] fact we can get all the properties lined

[13:02] up do the foreclosures be able to Market

[13:05] them we can look to

[13:08] either uh bring people on to be on staff

[13:13] or reach out to existing law firms who

[13:17] uh as we do for labor attorneys we have

[13:20] firms on retainer that we pay more on an

[13:23] as needed basis than as opposed to a

[13:27] regular salary so that that builds some

[13:29] flexibility into it where if we can use

[13:33] the existing staff we'll do that if the

[13:36] workload shifts or the opportunity is

[13:39] there to move uh bigger projects or

[13:42] bigger numbers that we have the ability

[13:44] to go up and bring in outside

[13:47] Council yeah that that kind of lead me

[13:49] back to you mentioned just about we're

[13:51] seeing the impact in our neigh that

[13:53] people are investing people are you know

[13:55] buying these houses they're spending a

[13:57] lot of money but um My Little concern is

[14:01] that

[14:02] we i' say we going to put all of us in

[14:05] that that we kind of lack code

[14:07] enforcement what you mentioned I'm going

[14:08] to use your word the common sense

[14:09] approach to what's happening there and

[14:12] I'm glad that you doing something here

[14:13] to address those things and kind of

[14:15] address it nip it in the but can move on

[14:18] apply Common Sense where we cannot we

[14:21] need to bring people in right to provide

[14:24] the service and if we are driving in

[14:26] away we're losing revenue and what's

[14:29] happening in some areas right now

[14:32] because I don't feel people are talking

[14:34] to me that why do I want to come in here

[14:36] to do service when I have to wait you

[14:37] know six weeks four weeks so that and I

[14:40] know that you approach that very your

[14:42] message loud and

[14:44] clear deal that no I'm just talking

[14:47] about it but you did you did approach it

[14:48] and you put things in place and put some

[14:50] changes so I just want to commend you on

[14:51] that because those things if we didn't

[14:53] address it it would have created a m

[14:56] impact with C enforcement providing

[14:58] service

[14:59] to our home and some people do use an

[15:03] example your family had a extremely

[15:07] severe fire on 8th

[15:13] Avenue

[15:14] uh Fire Chiefs here they did a good job

[15:18] came in uh you

[15:20] know that house has basically been fully

[15:23] restored yes there's one two blocks down

[15:27] that is still sitting there there I was

[15:30] there uh two days ago looking at it

[15:33] again it's one where we've got a follow

[15:35] up on uh you know again it was a tragic

[15:38] event I believe that building had

[15:41] insurance but you know people are just

[15:43] making poor choices where you get a a

[15:46] house that sits there

[15:48] uh burned out vacant and uh you know

[15:52] it's really a negative influence where

[15:54] you come the example where you turned it

[15:56] around and your family fixed up and yeah

[16:00] he did a good job and thanks to the Fire

[16:02] Department chief was there through the

[16:03] day with his with his firefighters did a

[16:06] good job death fire out himself yeah no

[16:09] he didn't I would say that um he was he

[16:12] was there with know Serv and they restor

[16:15] that building way before they got the

[16:16] insurance money so they were aggressive

[16:17] they know what they have to do and

[16:20] that's a that's a good example of people

[16:21] taking responsibility and now leaving it

[16:26] behind so mayor are you you said that we

[16:29] have like $4 million in properties

[16:31] distress properties currently that we

[16:34] well approximately that if we sell them

[16:36] that's what I'm proposing in the 25

[16:41] budget

[16:45] and you your questions on the 25 Budget

[16:48] on the 26 budget of course the 26 budget

[16:51] is harder to project but if we continue

[16:55] to chip away on it there's real

[17:00] value so not not in the 25 that you're

[17:04] projecting it for the 20 that we sell

[17:07] that because it's not in terms of U

[17:10] Revenue it's not showing there so yeah I think that was a question is that

[17:14] this is this in this budget when we come

[17:16] next year for the 2026 budget we're

[17:18] going to have we're going to have to

[17:19] locate $3 million that's what the M

[17:22] seeing towards where we are stearing on

[17:25] $4 million in home sales right that can

[17:28] help to offset this so that will show up

[17:30] in revenue for the 2026 budget

[17:35] corre ahead I'm sorry I'm just a little

[17:37] confused about that so we do have it in

[17:39] the 25 budget that we're projecting to

[17:41] bring in um 4.5 million in home sales um

[17:47] and so but we also

[17:53] have the co assistance of this 3 million

[17:57] in the revenue of the budget

[18:00] so um so we still would have to make up

[18:03] like a million something is that what

[18:06] we're thinking question is if we were to

[18:07] keep if we were to say okay we're going

[18:09] to take the 2025 budget as is into

[18:13] 2026 how do we fund this AR allocation

[18:17] where do we account for this $3 million

[18:20] understand I understand but so would we

[18:23] have to sell even more property I guess

[18:25] is what I'm trying to say back down the

[18:27] taxx roles so

[18:29] tax revenue goes up gotcha is it's a

[18:33] it's not it's an overly simplistic

[18:36] analysis to say everything shows up in

[18:37] one line so there's actually when people

[18:41] fix their property up there's sales tax

[18:43] revenue that goes out uh on our closings

[18:47] now we we charge the $500 in advance for

[18:53] putting the permit system in place uh so

[18:57] again there's additional Revenue there

[18:59] in reduction in expenses there's a

[19:01] combination add that is a tax base

[19:03] increase the sale of the property

[19:04] mortgage tax and the the fees permit

[19:07] fees I understand that thank you

[19:10] combination of

[19:11] everything 2026 no I just want to bring

[19:14] that to the table so I don't want to

[19:16] feel that well we're we're scaring on

[19:18] anything there there opportunity out

[19:20] there to address

[19:22] this and also this doesn't include the

[19:24] um the pending sales that we talked

[19:26] about couple days ago right when does or

[19:30] maybe I should say does that figure

[19:31] include those sales those 29 I think

[19:34] prob some of it is going to happen in 24

[19:39] okay some of it the nature of the

[19:41] closings May drag

[19:43] into

[19:45] 25 and we sometimes play around with it

[19:49] a little bit in December you credit it

[19:54] in 24 or you credit it in 25 finance

[19:57] department looks at it where was the

[19:59] good

[20:00] faith uh date that we thought it was

[20:03] going to happen

[20:07] so thank

[20:12] you any other question on this

[20:16] um see then move forward the next one

[20:21] um we should all have this um from Sam

[20:24] and just explain the register

[20:26] on the money that was to that line is

[20:29] not really as

[20:31] tight so we just want to make sure that

[20:34] we address

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[20:47] that the next report is um what I would

[20:51] say smart city so yeah Smart City

[20:55] allocation we should all have this

[20:56] report here

[21:00] this is a breakdown from 20 2018 192

[21:26] 21 that

[21:29] it was

[21:33] $100 I remember

[21:35] being yeah but I print print

[21:41] on I'm sure I have it I just have to

[21:44] find it

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[22:00] just down we can make

[22:03] copies yeah that's fine we make copies

[22:05] we have to go through

[22:10] sorry

[22:12] Char what's the name of it smart city oh

[22:16] it was a newer one one new

[22:20] on oh I have it right here on top yeah

[22:23] for everyone

[22:24] yes every report i reive y

[22:30] oh okay

[22:43] [Music]

[23:01] in the meantime you can you can pull

[23:02] these two report these were questions

[23:04] from um um

[23:08] [Music]

[23:30] and the reason why I'm doing is you want

[23:31] to make sure that we address all the

[23:33] reports that was asked and provide to us

[23:35] I I don't want to leave any behind and

[23:37] leave anything that is not um you know

[23:40] discussed and if there's any outstanding

[23:42] questions you are welcome to us

[24:00] Anthony anything that we need to brief

[24:01] on here or this straight forward I think

[24:04] it's pretty straight forward if you look

[24:05] at the bottom part tells you what the

[24:07] approved budget was tells you you know

[24:09] any adjustments we made uh then it has

[24:12] the approved budget amounts and then

[24:15] expenditures through uh uh

[24:18] 2024 uh and then the over or the

[24:21] balances are on the bottom line just

[24:23] wanted to make sure to to let you know

[24:25] the CV CV connection ig9

[24:29] that is the cdbg grant through the state

[24:31] that we received those funds um which

[24:34] initially were just about to be receive

[24:36] those funds we are finishing up we have

[24:39] balance of 50,000 left and U as the

[24:42] matter right they're still they're still

[24:44] putting fiber in the ground right

[24:46] correct it's

[24:48] 200,000 still out there

[24:53] b for everything

[24:56] off can get next the real value of that

[24:59] project we some of who going to do an

[25:03] executive set give a briefing on the

[25:06] fire today but some of the things that

[25:10] were uh deployed or used every day but

[25:14] the fiber is going to be there for 50 or

[25:19] 100 years it's like water and sewer

[25:23] telephone uh so more

[25:26] things develop and can utilize that's

[25:29] going to be the full value of that

[25:33] project any question on this smart City

[25:40] allocation see now we move to um the

[25:44] questions Miss Patrick I think some of

[25:46] these were they were they were

[25:51] [Music]

[25:54] answer oh yeah I think we went we went

[25:56] over them in detail at each of them

[25:58] meeting so I'm comfortable but I I don't

[26:00] know if anybody else anybody has any

[26:02] followup to these

[26:06] questions see none we'll move to the

[26:09] um we should all have go ahead sorry

[26:12] please yeah um this question was asked

[26:14] on the 9th of um of October and there is

[26:18] the reduction in the public safety

[26:21] foundation and so we yes I I have that a

[26:25] note to talk about um the $5,000 yes

[26:29] yeah well we can you can go ahead talk

[26:30] about it so um that that was my question

[26:33] I know that they said they were asked to

[26:35] reduce their budget and it was 25,000

[26:37] and that's like what they do with

[26:39] Community engagement being out there and

[26:41] all that and so that budget was reduced

[26:43] to

[26:44] $5,000

[26:45] so the the fire department remain the

[26:48] same 25,000 but 20,000 is taken out of

[26:51] here and so if we're really talking

[26:53] about Community engagement all that in

[26:54] terms of police with the community I

[26:57] think we should we consider trying to

[26:59] put that back on that budget line and

[27:03] the other Dynamic with that is Public

[27:06] Safety Foundation some of it uh real

[27:10] goal is to have both departments work

[27:14] with individuals within the community

[27:16] and do some independent fundraises the

[27:19] old D program used to do a haunted house

[27:23] for Halloween and so some of it is that

[27:28] just use general tax dollars for it but

[27:32] to encourage people to support the

[27:36] public safety foundation and hopefully

[27:38] through that manner build a broader

[27:41] network uh where people are working

[27:44] together and supporting again those

[27:46] efforts in the public safety field I

[27:50] understand that but that's not in play

[27:52] shap so this is really kind basically

[27:55] decimated that line without that in

[27:58] place the foundation is there so some of

[28:01] the challenges people go out and raise

[28:03] money but yes so understand what you're

[28:06] coming from the

[28:07] council yeah that was one of my um

[28:10] suggestion when we discussed the budget

[28:12] um line by line was um to continue to

[28:16] fund that but at the same time you know

[28:19] we have 25,000 under the fire and 5,000

[28:23] here and the approach is to encourage uh

[28:28] um membership to go to seek um funding

[28:32] from other

[28:35] sources how much did they spend on that

[28:37] line this year to dat yeah well not year

[28:40] to dat but previous year they are they

[28:42] using that money

[28:44] sorry

[28:47] [Music]

[28:49] use the both department will share the

[28:52] expense in terms of the outre they do

[28:54] within the

[28:56] community G the number are you

[28:59] requesting that I try to find no I'm

[29:01] kind of I don't know if this feasible

[29:03] since we are you could give them 15,000

[29:07] fire department 15,000 of the police

[29:08] department that's what I was thinking

[29:09] it's feasible to kind of like a good 253

[29:13] splited 155 each and can I encourage um

[29:16] to go to seek um funding from other

[29:19] sources to help

[29:20] them I here to see this line I do not

[29:23] want to see this line go away ID

[29:26] Department to fund them

[29:28] what's the L number please it's um a

[29:32] 2120 402b go ahead please a312 page

[29:38] 20 so it's a3120 402a 402b I Know Chief

[29:44] um Marino stepped out one of the things

[29:46] I appreciate that the fire department

[29:48] does is they intentionally invest in

[29:50] like different organizations throughout

[29:51] the years so even if they're not in

[29:53] place I think their impact or their

[29:56] support of certain organizations is felt

[29:57] and and I imagine that in Chief Marino's

[30:00] capacity they have programs or

[30:02] organizations they annually fund with

[30:04] this ex with their full um allotment for

[30:09] this line in place so I don't know if uh

[30:13] splitting that between this and fire may

[30:14] put some of those programs um at at a

[30:18] negative expense um I will say publicly

[30:22] I I think it looked poorly optically for

[30:25] that to be one of the lines that were

[30:27] adjust Ed for the police department um

[30:30] definitely with conversations

[30:32] surrounding community and police

[30:34] interactions I am proud to say I'm I'm

[30:37] confident in the work that's been done

[30:38] and is being done especially within our

[30:40] school district as we've had recent

[30:42] events it's important to have a fully

[30:45] sta police force in place um but

[30:47] continually investing in the community

[30:49] is something that needs to be ongoing at

[30:51] the full capacity so from my

[30:54] understanding this is my third budget

[30:56] cycle definitely have having um a lot of

[31:00] conversations in one go is is pretty

[31:02] tasking so from my perspective I was

[31:05] looking at identifying just where

[31:07] people's um stances were with some lines

[31:11] and then allowing uh the finance

[31:13] department to either adjust or we can

[31:16] have follow on discussions throughout

[31:17] the remainder of the week of how do we

[31:18] identify Monies to support any of our

[31:20] positions but I think having that

[31:23] complicated conversation Al together it

[31:25] just it makes for a tasking evening

[31:29] I shared the same concern from the

[31:30] beginning I identifi this reduction and

[31:34] you it what is the actual to

[31:37] date you able

[31:47] to

[31:49] yeah you're absolutely

[31:52] correct we've seen the the creation into

[31:54] the neighborhood and the support toal

[31:57] organization

[31:58] to kind of bring awareness to what's

[32:00] happening police departments on the fire

[32:03] and you know it's something that we

[32:04] should support I mean if it's 15,000

[32:08] 20,000 it will help

[32:11] a31

[32:16] 2042 through end of September

[32:20] [Music]

[32:22] $3,646

[32:24] 25 2

[32:29] corre yeah I meant 25,000 oh 25,000 25

[32:33] so do we know if there's anything out

[32:35] there that like right now they're coming

[32:37] up they're doing what do they call that

[32:38] thing is coming up this week scity or

[32:41] whatever scity will come up and they buy

[32:46] candy so dides that come out of this

[32:48] budget line usually yes what what is the

[32:52] actual for the police department that is

[32:54] 3ry 410

[32:58] 28 fire department sorry 3410 4028

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[33:06] 4028 it's on page 28 I believe that's

[33:10] correct

[33:11] 28 I find it on

[33:18] this2 316 is

[33:24] $2,556 oh

[33:30] they are doing

[33:31] op so we and we we still have to see

[33:34] what the cost is

[33:36] for but as Mr William said apparently

[33:39] they're also helping organizations when

[33:42] they put things on and that's how

[33:43] they're spending their money as

[33:45] well and in addition the police

[33:48] department I think they get things

[33:50] donated to them that's not costing them

[33:52] anything because they give away some

[33:54] serious

[33:55] stuff and I believe uh I was told I'm

[33:58] not I was told that some of the stuff

[34:00] that they get was

[34:01] donated that may be how they keep that

[34:04] line down pleas also have

[34:07] 83142 a Outreach and that year get

[34:15] 530

[34:16] two yeah they've been drawing on the

[34:19] line just above

[34:24] that is

[34:27] 2 a

[34:29] Outreach the other one you said they

[34:31] another line 402 402b and then

[34:35] [Music]

[34:42] 402 20123 their actual expenses

[34:46] were U uh out of this budget of 6,000

[34:51] they spent 1,000 and not 25,000 SP 6,000

[34:55] in 2023

[35:06] that's probably where they that's why

[35:07] they probably felt comfortable

[35:09] cutting well these are both um these are

[35:13] both from arund so no matter how we cut

[35:15] the must they won't be there next year

[35:17] to spend so um one year they did spend

[35:21] more than the 5,000 so I I definitely

[35:24] think we should increase it beyond the

[35:25] 5,000

[35:28] 15,000 was mentioned and again we have

[35:30] the um expense that we don't know what's

[35:32] going to happen for this October thing

[35:34] and I don't know if they do anything in

[35:36] um for

[35:40] Christmas it's conceivable that there's

[35:42] going to be more money spend in what

[35:43] we're seeing right now we did have one

[35:46] donor this year $110,000 or

[35:51] $5,000 for what that for Public Safety

[35:55] Foundation Public Safety Foundation

[35:58] H I know there was something with the

[36:00] school

[36:01] district the foundation I believe with

[36:04] the haircut this

[36:06] was this was just an individual who made

[36:09] a donation to the city for that specific

[36:12] use so is that money coming in help in

[36:16] that yeah that's so that's that could

[36:19] be

[36:23] 10,000 can we increase that the F to that

[36:31] whatever that amount is for

[36:35] now okay my question would so it's it's

[36:39] a donor then the money is there it's not

[36:40] even our it's an outside donor who

[36:43] specifically wanted to donate to that so

[36:46] it's not even our bit other

[36:48] money and where would that show up in

[36:50] revenue or do you show that probably

[36:52] under

[36:53] miscellaneous Like Only You

[36:59] I think one of the challenges um just in

[37:01] conversations I've had are that again I

[37:05] mean running events for them to be

[37:07] running events and using that that

[37:08] funding is can be challenging also

[37:11] because you know they're doing police

[37:13] work so I mean part of you know it might

[37:16] be interesting to think about whether we

[37:18] need somebody that we use some of the

[37:20] money to pay someone um that would

[37:23] actually be working with either with

[37:25] both either or both of the Departments

[37:26] to actually put on some of these things

[37:30] um just as just as a suggestion so I

[37:32] think that's what they pay they pay a

[37:34] vendor to for supplies and things like

[37:36] that so they manage program or they just

[37:38] pay for the supplies and and items or

[37:41] you know Supply food water whatever to

[37:44] carry out that event I just mean

[37:46] coordinating the events you know you

[37:48] know what I mean as opposed to the

[37:51] supplies for generally they attend

[37:54] events that other people have already

[37:55] coordinated like the 518 like the

[37:57] basketball thing that they were doing so

[37:59] it's someone other group that

[38:01] coordinates and then they invite them to

[38:02] come and bring all the goodies so I

[38:04] don't know that we necessarily need a

[38:06] separate coordinator because the events

[38:07] happen and then the police show up um to

[38:10] support it and bring all the giveaways

[38:14] like like part well National 9 was part

[38:16] of 518 so you so I I don't I don't know

[38:19] that we could afford the expense of

[38:22] someone because it's not like even a

[38:23] full-time job no no it's not a full-time

[38:26] job

[38:27] just a suggestion and then also I think

[38:30] an important component is with these

[38:31] community outreach lines in my

[38:33] perspective it's how do we prevent fires

[38:36] how do we prevent crimes and I think by

[38:39] embracing and engaging the community

[38:41] proactively where we address or provide

[38:43] some context to what they do or what

[38:46] policing involves or entails in in the

[38:48] city of concy I think it reassures

[38:51] people that the Poli are present and it

[38:52] also provides a friendly face to if you

[38:55] have any questions or if there are any

[38:57] Miss interpretations but I think for the

[39:00] benefit of this line it it helps to

[39:04] present and address issues before they

[39:06] happen into Chief Marino's comment he

[39:08] made earlier we can't quantify fires

[39:11] that didn't happen we can't quantify

[39:12] crimes that didn't happen but for this

[39:15] budget I think it truly it pays for

[39:18] itself and that's why I think having

[39:20] this being ongoing permanent line in the

[39:22] budget uh just ensures that generation

[39:25] after generation they understand the

[39:26] importance of the police their community

[39:28] and also it presents how the police

[39:30] should interact with their

[39:32] Community I think it's just really first

[39:35] time you engage a police officer you

[39:37] don't want it to be in the midst of a

[39:38] crisis right and I think that's kind of

[39:40] the same thing for our fire department

[39:42] so that's pretty clear um value there

[39:45] and I do think that them leveraging some of the uh Community uh things that

[39:51] are already existing to kind of

[39:53] contribute to it that again that just

[39:55] reinforces you know partnership and in a

[39:57] really meaningful way so it doesn't look

[39:59] like um you know as you know a

[40:03] performative thing just showing up it's

[40:05] like showing up and contributing you

[40:07] know uh to the cause is I think

[40:11] important for that so I think we're on

[40:12] the same

[40:13] pact I I do want to clarify that I don't

[40:16] want to take money away from them um and

[40:19] I absolutely value the them being

[40:22] involved in all these

[40:23] events I se a conversation here and I

[40:27] think for many of us and I can speak for

[40:29] myself is that we're looking to going

[40:33] forward into next year to meet this line

[40:36] permanent I don't think there's

[40:37] absolutely no push back on that is to

[40:39] make this line permanent so yes it's in

[40:41] low this year but these lines will

[40:44] eventually the next budget be permanent

[40:47] in our budget and funded from General

[40:50] Reserve I mean look at it it's to bring

[40:53] it up to 25,000 is 20,000

[40:56] M um

[41:00] if we have I don't know what the amount

[41:02] is is 10,000 or $5,000 was donated can

[41:05] we can we kind of subsidize that

[41:07] whatever that amount is and put the the

[41:09] balance and bring it back some of that

[41:12] in fact they may you s that money for

[41:14] like buying some of the candy

[41:18] for scare

[41:20] activity cheack that information down

[41:23] tomorrow yeah whatever the difference is

[41:25] I don't have an objection I from the

[41:28] beginning I said we need to bring this

[41:29] line back to 25 to match the the fire

[41:32] department and to keep it at $50,000 so

[41:35] they have that money available to them

[41:37] continue the Outreach continue the good

[41:38] work they're doing uh in our

[41:40] neighborhood to can of

[41:42] subsidize these uh events from the local

[41:46] organization and both department has

[41:48] been doing a fantastic job sing

[41:54] that so we wait we can put that as as an

[41:59] item to revisit and we're just steering

[42:02] down $20,000 which is not for 20,000

[42:05] more right yes I look for it

[42:12] tomorrow you got 6 got 60 already for

[42:17] yeah I like that all right 20

[42:20] tomorrow that's no I think all of us are very supportive of that yeah the

[42:26] next one we'll talk about

[42:27] the arle we should have this report here

[42:30] let's go through this m I think there

[42:33] are some some questions on

[42:36] [Music]

[42:54] this all right we need to make copies

[42:56] anybody

[42:57] anybody's missing you get copy yes sir

[43:01] all right

[43:04] [Music]

[43:11] [Applause]

[43:12] [Music]

[43:27] all right this was a thank you all

[43:35] right really fast before we move into

[43:38] this discussion I just so um the

[43:41] anti-racism training that's funded from

[43:42] a different line for the police or that

[43:45] call can you call the page oh oh sorry

[43:48] page um 20 Page 20 up so uh

[43:53] 402c 8120 402 the question was asked

[43:56] when I fin were like um what was that

[43:59] question they um they last year or this

[44:02] year I should say they had the anti-

[44:05] racism training that was done by the

[44:06] Underground Railroad and they don't it's

[44:08] not something that they do every year so

[44:10] there that's that's not seeing any

[44:12] funding so I'm not sure how it was paid

[44:14] for this year but I know that it was

[44:15] done this year through the Underground

[44:17] Railroad I'm not sure going forward if

[44:20] there's if they just donated their time

[44:22] and effort I'm not sure how they came

[44:23] about that so I did raise that question

[44:25] as well as as you can see as f for quite

[44:28] some time right I saw and I I I was

[44:31] looking I remember they're saying I

[44:33] wasn't I was looking for some clarity on

[44:34] I wasn't sure where that where it stand

[44:37] because right now I think well that's that's a question that we could

[44:39] kind of get from the chief like what the

[44:41] plans are for that CU I think that's

[44:43] really they had it done this year

[44:45] absolutely did but um it doesn't show

[44:48] anywhere in the budget so I know that

[44:51] they paid for it

[44:53] underr it looks like it's 100% it

[44:58] I thought that was taken out of a

[44:59] training line yeah it's not here that's

[45:01] what I

[45:02] thought if you don't mind we can ask the

[45:05] chief have

[45:11] something would you like yes

[45:15] please the

[45:17] chief ask the chief for a clarification

[45:19] as to why the this line Z

[45:25] out I know they the train

[45:27] yes yes and where where the money uh

[45:30] came from the pay for the

[45:33] training and when is it when is it next

[45:38] training I know those are one of those

[45:39] trainings that you like to see down

[45:41] annually as but I'm sure that they're

[45:43] good at finding like other resources and

[45:45] if they're finding other sustainable

[45:46] resources God bless them you know but if

[45:48] not something we should and that's why

[45:50] ask ask when the next TR the next is

[45:52] next here then we need to know where we

[45:55] can get to that

[46:02] training all right let's go through

[46:08] thiso any question you have please

[46:17] [Music]

[46:53] go ahead Mr Mr you gave report from the

[46:57] beginning there was a couple of um ones

[47:00] that you said we were recouping and

[47:01] bringing back to the general

[47:05] fund oh for 2025 yes yes we got that

[47:10] list right

[47:15] [Music]

[47:21] there okay we're looking to take uh

[47:25] 1 1,2 50,000 from the Carver Community

[47:30] rehab um

[47:33] 94,6 to from the sidewalk

[47:37] program

[47:39] 65486 from the empart center repad and

[47:44] 237,000 from Riverside Park

[47:46] [Music]

[47:50] for so they had 250 so they spent little

[47:54] bit what's left correct

[47:58] [Music]

[48:00] I believe that was

[48:05] Riverside I believe it was for the

[48:07] stting board I don't know I don't know

[48:09] what are they I I I think they hadn't

[48:10] made a decision I think they've gone

[48:12] back and forth um about basketball

[48:15] versus other things so and I and I'm

[48:18] speaking to the engineer that says

[48:20] there's no time he has no time available

[48:22] to do that he's the one who suggested

[48:25] that we take that

[48:28] Mr chairman go ahead please just s a

[48:31] message to Chief Whipple for the

[48:33] anti-racism

[48:35] training that was paid for out of the 23

[48:38] budget the number was in the amount was

[48:41] in in December of 23 but the training

[48:45] wasn't actually done until

[48:49] 24 so again it's been done this year and

[48:52] I think again they're looking to do it

[48:54] like every other year okay as part of

[48:56] the World

[48:59] TR that's what he said the other night

[49:02] that's what I think he said when we when

[49:03] we asked them the other

[49:08] night so gu if I can speak to them the

[49:11] last thing we highlighted was the

[49:13] Riverside Park courts I would hope that

[49:15] it was in response to that considered

[49:18] skateboard effort um I know even

[49:20] mentioned that out loud definitely

[49:22] there's a lot of red flags with

[49:23] liability uh I would say I don't believe

[49:26] in coincidence but I happen to run into

[49:27] an individual that's a really prominent

[49:29] figure in that area and he's like his

[49:32] comment um paraphrasing was we're not

[49:35] even asking for funding we just want to

[49:37] it to be approved um I know the research

[49:40] that I've done and I defin from the to

[49:42] Corporation Council and it's the mayor's

[49:44] prerogative it kind of spoke along the

[49:46] lines of as long as there's sound

[49:48] infrastructure those uh understandings

[49:52] kind of prevent us from any liability

[49:54] and I don't know where the rest of the

[49:55] council stands but I think if we going

[49:56] to be removing quarter of million

[49:59] dollars from that fund that could

[50:01] potentially revamp that area for this

[50:05] recreational activity I think in Li of

[50:08] that there should be a considered effort

[50:10] to identify how the city can make this a

[50:14] legal activity within the community um

[50:17] or we need to start enforcing the policy

[50:20] that's currently in

[50:22] place I just want to mention once again

[50:25] speak nor engineer who said

[50:27] with all the projects He has in place we

[50:30] not be able to get for that

[50:35] 2026 that's why and that's not what I'm

[50:38] advocating for so I apologize if that

[50:40] was misconstrued I'm saying if we're

[50:42] taking the money back I understand that

[50:43] we are in a financial position in the

[50:45] city where we have to identify potential

[50:47] fee increases and fine increases and

[50:50] what not applying this that that means

[50:53] to our tax tax base so I get that I'm

[50:55] saying if we're going proceed with not

[50:57] pointing this line we should look at how

[51:00] do we identify a pathway for the city to

[51:02] embrace this recreational activity as

[51:05] opposed to turning a blind eye and not

[51:09] supporting

[51:10] it Mr L so we have had meetings with the

[51:14] group um about the skateboard park and I

[51:17] think that we had alternative you know

[51:18] we had some suggestions um so we can you

[51:21] know bring that back to the table and talk to them again um but and the

[51:26] residents of The Stockade are also

[51:29] there's there's some of those residents

[51:31] that would be okay with a skateboard

[51:34] park and there's other residents that

[51:35] say well maybe it should be a basketball

[51:38] court um and still others that have even

[51:40] tossed around you know tennis or or pick

[51:42] a ball so I think it's a good a good

[51:45] idea to bring it back and it's something

[51:46] that the health and Recreation committee

[51:48] can put back onto an agenda as well but

[51:51] there I mean I don't know if you've had

[51:53] additional meetings um since the last

[51:55] one I attended but there definitely were

[51:57] you know some issues around liability

[51:59] and that kind of thing with the

[52:00] skateboard but um it's clearly a

[52:03] recreational activity so we should be

[52:05] thinking about

[52:07] it so but if there's no money then we

[52:09] can't we can't do basket we can't make a

[52:11] basketball in 2025 yeah or a pick aable

[52:13] court or anything there's no funding to

[52:15] support

[52:22] it I mean it's it's a city park so we

[52:25] can fund it at any given time true

[52:28] Capital it doesn't have to come from

[52:30] oura you can come from any Capital

[52:32] project or special allocation into the

[52:34] budget it's City facility so regardless

[52:37] of our or general fund if we decide to

[52:41] move forward and we may and the

[52:42] administration decide to move forward it

[52:44] can be funded either

[52:46] way but then we have to look at the same

[52:49] mean the morning topic

[52:51] liability so can not have people just go

[52:54] into a public park and start to do

[52:58] construction

[53:00] without getting a building permit any

[53:02] design

[53:05] standards there's just no good scenario

[53:08] yeah that's what I saying the warning

[53:10] point is liability of these things I'm

[53:12] in there and and what the design layout

[53:14] and all to make sure it's a safe

[53:16] environment for everyone to to

[53:19] use me again I think also it has to fit

[53:22] into the I mean the city engineer does

[53:25] have a lot of parks projects on his

[53:27] plate um as you can see from the from

[53:29] the grid and then you know he's working

[53:31] away on those things so you know sounds

[53:34] like it's not going to happen in

[53:36] 2025 right Mr Ferrari that's what he was

[53:39] that's what he told

[53:41] us I'm was saying I we have this Parts

[53:46] director position that is now occupied

[53:49] correct I think this would be a

[53:52] impactful uh topic for him start

[53:55] reviewing um I can hear all sides but in

[54:00] that there's no pathway of action so

[54:04] there is the

[54:05] potential uh amount of money that would

[54:07] have impacted any one of those issues

[54:10] that is now being removed and in replace

[54:13] of that we are putting W so I think

[54:17] there's already um items and Equipment

[54:21] there I understand

[54:23] 1,00% that the city cannot allow a group

[54:27] of individuals to just make a makeshift

[54:30] skate park I get that however we need to

[54:33] totly address that that is there and

[54:35] they are using that so unless we're

[54:37] going to really work collaboratively to

[54:41] right side that issue we have to tear it

[54:43] down and put up fences because I think

[54:45] it sends a Mis message to say you can't

[54:48] use this park but we're going to nor

[54:50] only allow people to use the par

[54:57] and miss miss um could you stop I mean I

[54:59] didn't know about that there were

[55:00] meetings that were taking place so

[55:02] you've been meeting with the a long time

[55:04] ago the skateboard won it wasn't even

[55:06] this year oh okay yeah all right I

[55:08] thought that was the last time that they

[55:10] oh it's been a while yeah oh okay thank

[55:12] you go ahead please I I do know that we

[55:15] did suggest under the ramp down by

[55:18] predel that was a good suggestion to the

[55:21] uh State boarders um and they they at

[55:25] that point w in agree to get money part

[55:27] of it for us to move them down there so

[55:30] again talks were were being held and

[55:33] taking place so and as Miss Patrick just

[55:35] said bring it back to the table at some

[55:37] point

[55:42] so well and as Mr William said they're

[55:45] still skating down there that's not even

[55:48] you know I've not been there in a while

[55:51] but the last time I was there during the

[55:53] summer they still were and actually

[55:56] there was an an email where they thought

[55:58] the council had just flashed their um

[56:01] idea and it didn't so let's say the

[56:03] record that that did not

[56:05] happen or have that discussion I Reed

[56:08] email that they

[56:10] [Music]

[56:13] believe just for clarity the

[56:18] question so yes so so just for clarity

[56:21] we're talking about a couple different

[56:22] things so the issue as it as we know as

[56:26] stands right now is liability clearly um

[56:30] but there's a way if this was to turn

[56:34] into a manifest into uh a skate park

[56:37] whether it's there or under uh the

[56:39] bridge I know uh I remember the man

[56:41] suggesting uh last year that the

[56:43] liability issue

[56:46] um will be mitigated if it is a skate

[56:51] park and it you know it's not obviously

[56:53] a makeshift thing right so so we're

[56:55] saying that're so that's my for clarity

[56:57] we're not saying that we can't do a

[57:01] skate park at some point due to liary

[57:03] right we're not saying

[57:08] that correct okay something designed to

[57:12] acceptable standards criteria for skate

[57:16] parks

[57:18] sure I think to bring them back to the

[57:20] table let's have a continued discussion

[57:24] and to come up with a a design that

[57:26] that's you know that is acceptable to

[57:30] city and then you know potential of

[57:32] moving

[57:34] forward can't be

[57:36] high what do we do with that old pool

[57:39] has ni the right curve that's I actually

[57:42] did suggest that I actually thought that

[57:44] would be a great

[57:46] idea Green Space or that's a possibility

[57:50] even though to say that that is

[57:53] M they do like a conr surface which is

[57:57] harder and

[57:58] [Music]

[58:03] smoother go ahead please um follow if we

[58:07] could just go back for a second I missed

[58:09] um in term when Mr Ferrari was talking

[58:11] about the projects that we were

[58:14] considering eliminating the funding for

[58:16] I got Carver Riverside sidewalk but I

[58:19] think there were some others the

[58:20] Empowerment Center oh that's right we

[58:22] had those was it's on this page we

[58:24] should have a report I guess

[58:27] oh

[58:30] I the summary should be the summary

[58:34] here thank

[58:38] you so right in the middle of it Capt

[58:42] the the breakdown gotcha of the um four

[58:47] um Pockets or the money is coming from

[58:51] [Applause]

[59:08] let's continue I mean we can just go

[59:10] side by side because this one capture

[59:11] something let's continue with this um

[59:13] ARA report and then we'll move on to

[59:17] anyone else in terms of any question

[59:19] that you may have

[59:27] so just just so we're just comfortable

[59:29] that I know that some people have well

[59:31] at least one or two but I can see

[59:33] already spent down and the rest we're

[59:35] just comfortable every all the projects

[59:36] will be done by

[59:39] 2026 because once we once we' allocated

[59:42] money by the end of this year we don't

[59:45] end there's no opportunity to recoup

[59:48] from if they don't spend it it's just

[59:52] have to send it back to the give it back

[59:54] we don't want that

[59:56] is that is that is that a true statement

[59:58] if they were to I mean I just want to

[1:00:00] put that out is that a true statement

[1:00:02] I'm continue um if we were to allocate x

[1:00:06] amount of money and they are not coming

[1:00:08] up to par in trying to complete progr

[1:00:10] can we resend that excuse me can we

[1:00:14] resend the contract yes and recruit the

[1:00:17] money back and bring it back in house

[1:00:19] before 2025 yes it would have to happen

[1:00:24] before 204 December 31st 2024 so that is

[1:00:27] something that we have to look at I will

[1:00:30] encourage them to you know all of us may

[1:00:33] administration department of development

[1:00:35] it's so kind we have to be on top of

[1:00:37] this project to see how they are faing

[1:00:40] out there and if they can come up to far

[1:00:44] we're going to have to we're going to

[1:00:46] have to amend um the resolution and to

[1:00:49] take this money back

[1:00:51] unfortunately that is my personal

[1:00:54] opinion right now this point time

[1:00:56] because it will hurt us more to see that

[1:00:58] we try to work with them all the way to

[1:01:00] the 21st of December and they can carry

[1:01:03] their weight they can add bring in

[1:01:04] additional funding from other source and

[1:01:07] lose millions of dollars so I think this

[1:01:10] Council has an obligation to to look at

[1:01:13] this with the mayor and the department

[1:01:14] of development and we work side by side

[1:01:18] to make sure that we bring back these

[1:01:20] funds in

[1:01:22] house well um go ahead please think that

[1:01:26] we some of these funds some of these

[1:01:28] projects did not need matching funds so

[1:01:30] we should like look at what didn't need

[1:01:32] matching funds I mean this there's one

[1:01:34] for $50,000 and then so in the next

[1:01:37] couple years will they be able to spend

[1:01:39] 40,000 on food or and I don't even know

[1:01:42] the date of thisy there's no date on it

[1:01:45] one was as I believe 924 924 so um I'm

[1:01:51] guessing that there's still more money

[1:01:53] that they spent or will have spent by

[1:01:54] the end of December

[1:01:56] so I if if we're even considering that I

[1:01:59] think we should

[1:02:01] um that was the food deliver that was

[1:02:03] just one I chose but even if we

[1:02:07] like look at some of the others that are

[1:02:10] under contract and part of it is

[1:02:13] because they have to get their

[1:02:15] contractors going I'm not sure so I

[1:02:18] think before we decide that we have to

[1:02:19] see where they are with the

[1:02:21] projects can you ask U this car

[1:02:25] [Music]

[1:02:28] you ask that was asked that and she said

[1:02:30] that she would do that like like for

[1:02:32] instance right the Harbor House right

[1:02:34] now still has

[1:02:36] $750,000 in there that still there's

[1:02:40] still a balance but do we really want to

[1:02:41] say we want to take that

[1:02:45] back um go ahead please yeah I mean

[1:02:48] again I think in that I mean I'm just

[1:02:51] responding to that particular project

[1:02:52] but um we had um a comprehensive

[1:02:55] presentation by them and they outlined

[1:02:58] how they were spending the money and

[1:02:59] what the timeline was that wasn't I

[1:03:01] wasn't asking I'll be taking their money

[1:03:02] back I'm I'm to Mr mood Mar's point we

[1:03:05] have to we should do this line by line

[1:03:06] and see where everyone is as opposed to

[1:03:08] just saying well they haven't spent it

[1:03:10] it's almost the end of the year let's

[1:03:11] take it back I'm not I'm not choosing

[1:03:13] them to take them back that's not what

[1:03:14] I'm saying okay it's a general statement

[1:03:17] making to safeguard us and to bring back

[1:03:20] some money rather than we lose it we

[1:03:22] bring it back and keep it in the house

[1:03:23] so we can use it next year

[1:03:27] go ahead please to direct

[1:03:30] Anthony in these

[1:03:33] contracts project moves ah had I used

[1:03:36] Harbor House as an example it's on

[1:03:39] Washington Avenue good project we all

[1:03:41] support it if they didn't use all that

[1:03:45] money to get to the end and there's some

[1:03:48] residual that is out there can't

[1:03:51] complete it could we word the contract

[1:03:54] more generically

[1:03:56] says that we'll use it

[1:03:58] for Harbor House

[1:04:01] or adjacent Street and sidew work so

[1:04:05] that we would put it back into the

[1:04:08] street

[1:04:10] uh somewhere on Union Street Washington

[1:04:14] avenet and that way at the end of these

[1:04:17] you know these big

[1:04:19] projects the likelihood of everything

[1:04:22] balancing out to zero is uh

[1:04:28] a little bit of a challenge but if we

[1:04:30] put some contingency there where there's

[1:04:33] always Paving to be done there's always

[1:04:36] uh something that uh you know there a

[1:04:41] lot of these it's not going to be huge

[1:04:42] amounts of money it might be a little

[1:04:44] bit the other hand maybe something does

[1:04:46] shift and you end up with $100,000 you

[1:04:49] don't want to lose that but so I don't

[1:04:53] know if

[1:04:54] that if we could do generic wording like

[1:04:57] that so

[1:04:59] it's yeah it's not I don't believe

[1:05:01] that's a problem at all with any of

[1:05:02] these we can do that I think what we

[1:05:04] have to look at what is the plan have

[1:05:07] they U have they got a contractor going

[1:05:11] forward are they looking to start the

[1:05:13] project that when are they looking to

[1:05:15] start the project and again if they have

[1:05:17] enough money because usually with the

[1:05:18] cases with any of these uh fundings in

[1:05:21] my experience is we they always use the

[1:05:23] grant money first so before the end of

[1:05:26] the project you know that they they'll

[1:05:27] use it for the excavation for the

[1:05:29] foundation and you know it's always done

[1:05:32] before they even start you know really

[1:05:34] believe it or not 750,000 or even

[1:05:36] 500,000 doesn't go as far as they used

[1:05:38] to you

[1:05:41] know and that's what I'm trying we need

[1:05:43] to know where they are and that's what

[1:05:45] I'm trying to like direct you know to be

[1:05:48] um more direct in terms of where we yes

[1:05:51] go to everyone and ask them where are

[1:05:53] you in in your project do you have

[1:05:56] matching funds where are you in terms of

[1:05:58] matching funds and if you're not there

[1:06:01] time is

[1:06:02] not in front of us we are we have to get

[1:06:05] this done in about I would say push it

[1:06:08] in two cycles we have to be aggressive

[1:06:11] because we need to bring it back in

[1:06:12] house make amendments and then

[1:06:14] reallocate it to City projects that will

[1:06:17] take a month at least so we have to make

[1:06:20] sure that we don't wait until the end of

[1:06:22] December to come back start so I think

[1:06:25] this this work all of us need to get on

[1:06:27] board to help make this happen it's

[1:06:30] unfortunate that we have to do this but

[1:06:33] we allocated you are unable to come up

[1:06:36] with your um expectation and we're not

[1:06:39] going to lose the

[1:06:41] money I I think that Miss Carver has

[1:06:45] that kind of information because she has

[1:06:47] come and made those she I think she

[1:06:49] probably knows exactly where each of

[1:06:52] these projects so I don't I I think

[1:06:54] maybe we could ask her to come

[1:06:57] on the

[1:06:58] agenda next committee meeting kind of

[1:07:01] give us update where we are and identify

[1:07:03] anyone

[1:07:05] that we need to

[1:07:08] Reco yeah definitely I mean there's a

[1:07:11] number of them that have if you look

[1:07:13] down here on the balance side there's a

[1:07:14] number of them have high balances as of

[1:07:16] September 24th that they're unextended

[1:07:18] there's a number I can I only see a

[1:07:21] couple like I can count I can count the

[1:07:23] zeros that have no balance let me say

[1:07:25] that

[1:07:26] so most of them have

[1:07:29] bance yes I have read the ones that have

[1:07:32] high dollar value we have to go after we

[1:07:35] have to address those course and then

[1:07:37] look at the the

[1:07:40] smaller

[1:07:45] tomorrow already well you can always

[1:07:49] ask yeah we can we don't need to wait

[1:07:52] until that's right we can ask it because

[1:07:54] it's a budget it's a budget item yeah I

[1:07:56] mean she's updated at us our council at

[1:07:58] our Council meetings our Council be

[1:08:00] prepared to talk in detail about the

[1:08:03] actual status would be something

[1:08:04] different yeah I don't know if she can

[1:08:07] get I think that might be too premature

[1:08:10] in terms of like asking or she might

[1:08:12] that able to I think we need to wait

[1:08:15] let's wait uh

[1:08:17] Monday next Monday to get that

[1:08:20] update because this doesn't affect the

[1:08:26] trying to bring back

[1:08:28] in City projects

[1:08:34] yeah the other thing I mean um I want to

[1:08:37] talk about in terms of the the C outome

[1:08:40] program we are dropping off 940,000

[1:08:45] it's something that is dear to all of us

[1:08:48] I program we have received our fair

[1:08:51] share of complaint from the mayor to

[1:08:53] every one of us none of us uh are are

[1:08:56] spared of that so when we are doing this

[1:08:59] reallocation back I would like to

[1:09:01] recommend that we consider reallocate

[1:09:04] some money to the sidewalk program

[1:09:06] because currently the Central Parkway

[1:09:09] sidewalk program slated for next year

[1:09:11] April 4S we also have melen Street EMT

[1:09:16] Street and Raymond Street

[1:09:19] petition that we need to consider and

[1:09:21] I'm going to actually add it on the

[1:09:23] agenda for Monday that we discuss um mum

[1:09:29] event and uh Raven Street the petition

[1:09:32] and how do we move forward in addressing

[1:09:34] those petition and have them line up for

[1:09:35] the next phase of sidewalk program in

[1:09:39] 2025 yes of

[1:09:41] course and and Rond

[1:09:45] yes and I would like to see that we

[1:09:47] reconsider someone to our program so we

[1:09:51] going to leave it as is but try to

[1:09:53] figure out where find yes yeah I am okay

[1:09:56] with yes with the reallocation at this

[1:09:57] point in time to help us with u the

[1:09:59] budget deficit but um that's a

[1:10:02] consideration I am putting on to the

[1:10:04] table as we make final adjustments

[1:10:06] towards the end of the

[1:10:08] year

[1:10:21] ex okay so go ahead sorry no I just want to point out that I don't have any

[1:10:27] friends on here just just last night

[1:10:30] just going to be clear so people can

[1:10:31] have it and for those who agre

[1:10:33] [Music]

[1:10:37] the be a lot more popular w't

[1:10:40] you I would have said yeah all of these

[1:10:42] people are my friends

[1:10:45] oh I just take some

[1:10:48] more yeah any other question on this I

[1:10:52] think this is straight forward we'll ask

[1:10:54] um Miss car

[1:10:55] sorry please I would say sincerely if

[1:10:58] we're doing our last three attacks I

[1:11:00] definitely it was not missed how

[1:11:02] passionate I was to see the pro

[1:11:04] Community project continue um I

[1:11:07] appreciate the work that was done to get

[1:11:09] to this point I know the transition and

[1:11:11] Leadership was agrup to say the least um

[1:11:14] but I thought it was a concern enough

[1:11:17] effort

[1:11:19] um in my perspective my wife's a social

[1:11:22] worker so she's really big on using eye

[1:11:24] statements

[1:11:25] I thought the stance from the city was

[1:11:30] disingenuous I thought the manner in

[1:11:31] which the project was presented and the

[1:11:34] comments that were had around the table

[1:11:36] gave the impression that we were working

[1:11:40] with them and with the lack of followup

[1:11:42] and communication when the project was

[1:11:44] pulled I can yield to the fact that

[1:11:46] there are better lines or better suited

[1:11:49] um project managers I.E well I won't

[1:11:51] even speak because we haven't had

[1:11:52] anything formally reled to us I

[1:11:54] appreciate the comments that were given

[1:11:56] last night in response to the

[1:11:57] individuals that came to speak um but

[1:12:00] that is why I'm so passionately

[1:12:02] responding to making sure our community

[1:12:05] outreach lines are funded that we are

[1:12:08] funding other recreational activities

[1:12:09] throughout the city because in absence

[1:12:12] of providing this resource to youth in

[1:12:15] the community we need to make sure we're

[1:12:17] actually putting some actionable items

[1:12:19] uh in front of them because I there's a

[1:12:23] lot of idle time and we hear of these

[1:12:29] um I want to be careful on how we

[1:12:31] capture recent events but it is

[1:12:33] unfortunate that our youth have been

[1:12:36] plagued with incident after incident and I think it is

[1:12:41] important to make sure we put actual

[1:12:44] funding behind um the comments I hear on

[1:12:48] the table and it is not easy um being a

[1:12:52] member of the city council there is wish

[1:12:55] thinking and then there's how do we make

[1:12:57] it end up and how do we balance the

[1:12:58] budget at the end of the year um but I

[1:13:01] would have been remissed if I didn't say

[1:13:03] anything regarding this I hope to see

[1:13:05] the the project to fruition and whoever

[1:13:08] this ultimately lands um but definitely

[1:13:11] this will be a loss for that community

[1:13:14] and we need to make sure we're

[1:13:15] intentional and other measures

[1:13:17] of of the city so that this isn't again

[1:13:21] this isn't lost

[1:13:25] just so just to kind add to that

[1:13:28] um my

[1:13:30] information I have this project cost

[1:13:34] about $3.7 million as of last year

[1:13:37] that's a number I'm sure that is way

[1:13:39] above that I would say closer to $4

[1:13:43] million we our allocation is $1.2

[1:13:46] million at this point in time so they

[1:13:48] are way behind at this point in time in

[1:13:50] terms of um the adequate funding for

[1:13:53] this project is yes fortunate to see it

[1:13:56] though but our $1.2 million is nothing

[1:13:59] towards this project it's a fraction and

[1:14:03] you know the other source of income

[1:14:06] funding um I don't know if was I for me

[1:14:10] it wasn't brought to this table and I

[1:14:12] don't know where it is at this point in

[1:14:14] time I asked that question many times as

[1:14:15] to where where the other source of fund

[1:14:17] coming we heard about the names without

[1:14:19] not getting any concrete you know

[1:14:22] something of confirmation ideas I'm

[1:14:25] going to fund xyc but then on the other

[1:14:27] hand I'm hearing that the school is

[1:14:29] going to be funding this entire project

[1:14:31] so I don't think any we're not losing in

[1:14:34] the sense of school is going to be

[1:14:35] funding this entire project and work

[1:14:38] with this group this 10 group so yes we

[1:14:43] we're taking back this funding of 1.2

[1:14:45] million but at the same time information

[1:14:48] I am receiving the school is stepping in

[1:14:51] so they are going to be place that they

[1:14:53] are going to be used and the facilities

[1:14:55] going be there and the school is partner

[1:14:57] with these agency to provide the service

[1:15:00] needed there I don't know if I'm getting

[1:15:02] that Rong I correct me please I don't

[1:15:05] know you get ask more about that um

[1:15:08] you're saying that the school is going

[1:15:09] to fund the project is the school going

[1:15:11] to fund the project as it was presented

[1:15:13] to us or the school going to do because

[1:15:15] generally the school like for instance

[1:15:17] they took over the building down here

[1:15:19] and then became administrative offices

[1:15:20] down there so is it still going to be um

[1:15:24] a commun some part of it anyway I don't

[1:15:26] expect the school to uh fund an entire

[1:15:29] Community Center and the school not have

[1:15:31] any role in the building so is a school

[1:15:34] going to what is the project and that's a question we we might want to

[1:15:38] ask ask the the lead person as a school

[1:15:42] as to what exactly that's information I

[1:15:44] don't have much I'm sharing what I again

[1:15:46] it's still somewhat fluid where the

[1:15:49] school district has a very serious

[1:15:52] interest in that building in that site

[1:15:55] and they're

[1:15:57] doing an evaluation in terms of will it

[1:16:01] fit their needs and I'm optimistic that

[1:16:03] that's going to move

[1:16:05] forward

[1:16:07] and it's a dynamic process but we we

[1:16:12] don't have a plan B if it doesn't no

[1:16:15] okay well you know again it's um we

[1:16:19] don't have a plan B the city does it

[1:16:21] because we don't have the money for m

[1:16:27] so you know again I'll just bring up the

[1:16:29] point point that I know there was there

[1:16:30] was some um conversation like well you

[1:16:33] know um that that neighborhood had

[1:16:36] doesn't I don't know it kind of implied

[1:16:38] that it doesn't leave and that's what I

[1:16:39] took from last night's conversation um

[1:16:42] however um the boys and girls club was

[1:16:44] there is now in Mount Pleasant and this

[1:16:46] just another Boys and Girls Club so

[1:16:47] maybe other communities don't have a

[1:16:49] community center necessarily but they do

[1:16:51] have facilities for children the Boys

[1:16:53] and Girls Club there's two of them in M

[1:16:54] Pleasant there's one in reram and then

[1:16:56] other parts of the city have have

[1:16:58] projects have places so um I just want

[1:17:01] to make sure that as we do the Craig M

[1:17:04] project that we don't have this

[1:17:06] dinosaur of a building that's just

[1:17:08] sitting there and nothing is in it and

[1:17:11] that somehow we make sure that we're not

[1:17:13] only it's something in it it's something

[1:17:15] that it's just not only for the school

[1:17:17] district but people children in the

[1:17:19] community can

[1:17:22] um can be a part of it and I think Mr Mr

[1:17:26] uh Williams was saying is that not that

[1:17:28] he's necessarily he understands why the

[1:17:30] money was taken back but just in the

[1:17:31] method in which it was done that people

[1:17:33] were not informed and the way they found

[1:17:36] out it was just uh then we started

[1:17:40] getting phone

[1:17:43] calls well number one I

[1:17:47] mean correct me if I'm wrong the money

[1:17:49] hasn't been officially taken back yet

[1:17:51] right we still have decisions to make in

[1:17:53] order for that to happen correct what

[1:17:55] was that number one I would say that and

[1:17:57] I think that the program I mean I think

[1:18:00] the school district you know I can't

[1:18:03] speak to what you know again whatever

[1:18:06] you know assessments they have to make

[1:18:07] sure that the building is feasible meets

[1:18:09] their needs U to the mayor's point I

[1:18:12] think that no matter who um is uh enters

[1:18:16] into that space um you know we want to

[1:18:19] encourage them to work closely with the

[1:18:22] community so the community

[1:18:25] um it still has some autonomy during the

[1:18:28] process and a lot of times when larger

[1:18:31] entities um get involved in the process

[1:18:33] they don't leave that space I think that

[1:18:35] the current leadership within the school

[1:18:37] district I think um we have a greater

[1:18:40] chance of of that being a reality that

[1:18:42] there is some autonomy there and there

[1:18:43] is some a genuine Community Partnership

[1:18:46] um I just again I would just caution us

[1:18:48] because I don't know that

[1:18:50] we to the mayor's point it's still

[1:18:52] pretty fluid you know and it is a

[1:18:53] dynamic process so I you know I

[1:18:57] don't want to make any decisions based

[1:18:59] on something that we don't really know

[1:19:01] is um going to materialize as

[1:19:08] yeah I do have one other I'm sorry we

[1:19:11] are we finish with that particular

[1:19:12] discussion I I want to no I just want to

[1:19:14] ask any other question on this um these

[1:19:16] article yes go ahead questione because

[1:19:20] again I received an email regarding um

[1:19:22] doors and they

[1:19:25] had there was something that they

[1:19:27] already done the work but then they came

[1:19:29] back you remember this came back so you

[1:19:33] see also asked that during this budget

[1:19:35] season are we going to reconsider the

[1:19:37] 70,000 for their project once to make

[1:19:40] sure every brought that question to the

[1:19:45] table so we we did initially uh allocate

[1:19:49] this money and then we uh amend the

[1:19:51] resolution to take that money back

[1:19:53] $76,000

[1:19:54] right and now you you receive an email

[1:19:57] asking for this money back well we what

[1:20:00] we took back was money that they had

[1:20:03] already spent and done before before the

[1:20:06] project before they received that and

[1:20:07] that was not allowed they couldn't we

[1:20:09] couldn't pay for them for work that was

[1:20:10] already done but uh then they submitted

[1:20:13] something that said that we had had work

[1:20:15] other work that would

[1:20:17] qualify and I don't think we ever got to

[1:20:20] the point where we discussed

[1:20:22] that did you have something Miss Patrick

[1:20:25] I think brought that up and discussed it

[1:20:27] I I think that we did discuss it in a

[1:20:30] committee meeting I don't know that we

[1:20:31] came to a decision but we did discuss

[1:20:34] what you're what you're talking about

[1:20:35] right and I'm bringing it back because

[1:20:37] we did make a decision and because I got

[1:20:38] an email to ask is there a possibility

[1:20:41] from Proctors yes from Proctors I should

[1:20:43] be clear from Proctors yeah I am trying

[1:20:46] to recall when we discussed it our our

[1:20:48] balance at that point in time was almost

[1:20:50] zero yes yeah I think when you brought

[1:20:53] us the allocation and B say that it was

[1:20:55] thata point where we we can't even

[1:20:58] reconsider it because we did not have

[1:20:59] the funding correct

[1:21:01] yeah yes so yeah I can

[1:21:05] yeah it's more than likely they already

[1:21:07] paid for that yes they new stuff

[1:21:09] again would be eligible

[1:21:12] again well the first one was because

[1:21:14] they did it even before their Grant was

[1:21:16] submitted correct before we got the

[1:21:18] money yes so definitely not

[1:21:24] question so if looking at the

[1:21:27] outstanding balances in the OPA

[1:21:30] funding and say say there's just a use

[1:21:34] of five half a million right and we

[1:21:38] talking the possibility of it going into

[1:21:40] sidewalk budget if we created a line for

[1:21:43] Youth Services on the park and wck maybe

[1:21:46] address some of the concerns that you

[1:21:48] would we have to prescribe how it would

[1:21:49] be spent or if we just create a line use

[1:21:52] services and and say maybe that 500

[1:21:55] that's put 250 for you services and kind

[1:21:59] of look at the needs in the city and

[1:22:01] then some of the areas of concern and

[1:22:04] Target

[1:22:05] activities um in those communities would

[1:22:08] that be an option for us we we do have a

[1:22:10] lineing the budget here for $150,000 and

[1:22:13] I think one of the question that was

[1:22:14] asked where are we in terms of spending

[1:22:16] that is it adequate do we need to fund

[1:22:19] it more into

[1:22:21] 2025 the employment mean the employ you

[1:22:24] employment we do

[1:22:26] programming oh you're talking about this

[1:22:28] generally here or yeah just just like

[1:22:30] come up with some creative ideas like we

[1:22:32] create a budget line so here are some

[1:22:34] areas that you know at at nighttime

[1:22:36] right there's a lot of free time in this

[1:22:38] community we got some concerns us create

[1:22:40] a night time program maybe an existing

[1:22:42] school that will fall into this the

[1:22:45] youth allocation here that we have the

[1:22:49] program my understanding from the mayor

[1:22:51] is that the youth program is they hired

[1:22:54] young people to work right in City Hall

[1:22:57] so it was also used in the parks

[1:22:58] department too but but what I should say

[1:23:01] for City staff not necessarily into Hall

[1:23:04] but all City staff not not outside of

[1:23:08] well it was used this year for the year

[1:23:10] prior to that we use it in the school we

[1:23:12] use the funding for the school district

[1:23:14] partner with them yes yes so I think

[1:23:16] it's not specifically for it was more of

[1:23:19] helping out this year in the

[1:23:21] city but I think that can spread out for

[1:23:24] all theity without

[1:23:27] agency this year was all the city that was the answer to the question so I

[1:23:31] don't know going forward if that's the

[1:23:33] plan or if there's also an opportunity

[1:23:35] to use it beyond

[1:23:38] that or how that works well what council

[1:23:42] and is saying correct

[1:23:45] is we could do programs it could be city

[1:23:48] employees but it might be in a school

[1:23:53] building Poss yeah Co well I was wondering just

[1:24:00] um I mean again if the school district

[1:24:03] and I know where you know if the school

[1:24:05] district was to take over the um

[1:24:07] Community Center then there'd be youth

[1:24:10] programming you know going on in that in

[1:24:13] that facility Well I that's I was

[1:24:15] thinking um you know after school

[1:24:17] programming and that kind of that was

[1:24:19] qualify for cdbg

[1:24:21] funding so that is there so we would

[1:24:23] encourage to make an application at that

[1:24:25] point in time and we will encourage um that application to be have a

[1:24:31] favorable

[1:24:32] consideration and

[1:24:34] funding can be um can be available to

[1:24:38] help with the administrative CA to help

[1:24:40] run that U those programs there I

[1:24:45] wonder so uh thank you excuse me Joe you

[1:24:49] want to just take I I think there's a

[1:24:51] pretty stringent um restriction on our

[1:24:55] punds so how we can I understand take

[1:24:59] that money put a separate line save for

[1:25:01] ourselves to help the youth um I don't I

[1:25:04] don't know we could reach out to miss

[1:25:07] carer because that's exactly what you

[1:25:09] want to do but I don't think we can sa

[1:25:11] it but that's why we're trying to to

[1:25:13] spend you know find out what's happening

[1:25:15] now so we can allocate that money but it

[1:25:17] a great

[1:25:19] idea I was just going to say I think

[1:25:21] part of the um benefits of partner with

[1:25:24] the school districts that they bring

[1:25:26] resources and so I would think that the

[1:25:28] school district is going to bring put

[1:25:31] the resources then maybe we should be

[1:25:33] looking

[1:25:34] um uh to put you know maybe these uh

[1:25:40] leftover for black or better turn

[1:25:42] resources in in in in a different

[1:25:44] direction I would just think that you

[1:25:47] know one of question I asked the May to

[1:25:50] look at we have um expanded this um this

[1:25:53] year from L and to see do we need more

[1:25:56] or is 150 adequate to take us into 2025

[1:26:00] because we need to expand yes we're

[1:26:02] doing a good job in employing people

[1:26:04] here and to kind of you know introduce

[1:26:06] them to the workforce which is a good

[1:26:08] thing MH and it's a wonderful program

[1:26:11] but at the same time we can expand it

[1:26:12] out to continue to help and work with

[1:26:15] the school

[1:26:18] district I think also that um part of

[1:26:21] the cdbg and correct me if I'm wrong but

[1:26:23] I believe that there's Coalition still

[1:26:25] of um nonprofits that are youth serving

[1:26:29] nonprofits that are um they get cdbg

[1:26:33] funding as a

[1:26:34] coalition um and work together with our

[1:26:37] director development to um provide youth

[1:26:40] programming too I'm all for more youth

[1:26:43] programming but I just wanted to bring

[1:26:45] that up as well that we do have that I

[1:26:47] think that's still in place um I think

[1:26:49] it was like six or seven different

[1:26:51] organizations that were under one

[1:26:53] umbrella um

[1:26:54] but when we have this car when we have

[1:26:57] this Carver come in we'll be able to ask

[1:26:59] for that too yeah so we can follow up

[1:27:01] with that in terms of the the actuals

[1:27:05] and expended to dat on that line and see

[1:27:08] where we are if it's adequate yes if if

[1:27:11] it's not adequate we can make a

[1:27:13] recommendation to see if where if we can

[1:27:16] find some funding and then use your

[1:27:20] words money Tri yes the program that we

[1:27:23] need to continue to to fund every year

[1:27:26] mhm so I was just thinking um and this

[1:27:30] again this might be more a better

[1:27:31] question for Miss carer but I think

[1:27:34] within the parameters of what's

[1:27:36] acceptable uses or funds for arpa youth

[1:27:38] programming um definitely fits well

[1:27:42] within that so I don't think that we

[1:27:43] probably to your point I want to make

[1:27:45] sure we're using the money but I think

[1:27:47] that that's that would be an allowable

[1:27:48] use though I do think

[1:27:50] so that's how we have some of these the you program right current it's

[1:27:54] funded um from but I think we can expand

[1:27:58] it yeah yeah I was speaking to to Miss

[1:27:59] D's point and making sure that we're

[1:28:02] operating within the parameters of the

[1:28:04] AR are yeah I was thinking I was just

[1:28:06] saying I think that that would meet the

[1:28:09] criteria a prime example is the C house

[1:28:13] theying that to to advantage of the use

[1:28:16] abely there's several yeah page 43

[1:28:27] so that's on we can see the actual in

[1:28:30] 2022

[1:28:33] 2023 it was almost close to us we had

[1:28:37] a

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[1:28:46] watch spent on

[1:28:49] [Music]

[1:28:54] so I'm just going to circle back to the

[1:28:56] prop question so is that something we're

[1:28:58] going to be considering or it just um

[1:29:02] not going to consider anything else in

[1:29:03] terms of the other

[1:29:07] [Music]

[1:29:09] funds at this point in time we don't

[1:29:12] have funding

[1:29:15] $843 46 $846 sorry thank you for

[1:29:19] correcting me so I think we yes we can

[1:29:21] consider it when we make these

[1:29:23] reallocation back and make amendments

[1:29:25] when the next two cycles hopefully well

[1:29:29] not hopefully we should the next two

[1:29:31] cycle make this amendment yeah that can

[1:29:33] be brought back to the table for

[1:29:34] discussion and see where members are in

[1:29:38] terms of that I just for clear I'm not

[1:29:41] in favor of it I think there are bigger

[1:29:43] needs in the off in the city uh I think

[1:29:46] the concessions that are being asked of

[1:29:48] our residents I know we're having these

[1:29:51] discussions right now it is an

[1:29:52] unfortunate circumstance but

[1:29:56] I we're not proposing small

[1:30:00] increases and for very important reasons

[1:30:03] and then in forecasting what 2026 looks

[1:30:06] like I think if there are any benefits

[1:30:09] out there to be provided to the tax base

[1:30:12] and you have to do that

[1:30:15] now because it is only going to get in

[1:30:19] and I want to be careful so I don't want

[1:30:20] to scare anyone but I think I'm trying

[1:30:22] to be transparent we have had a very discussion from a very good

[1:30:26] presentation from our Police Department

[1:30:27] our fire department their needs are

[1:30:29] their needs and as we have ongoing Union

[1:30:33] nego or contract

[1:30:35] negotiations the number is going to get

[1:30:37] bigger so I think it is unfortunate I

[1:30:40] appreciate Proctors and what they do for

[1:30:41] our community but I think there should

[1:30:43] be a clear message and just speaking for

[1:30:45] myself I I don't think we can do it now

[1:30:49] there are two other members in the

[1:30:49] committee but I just want to be clear no

[1:30:51] you're Absolut you're absolutely correct

[1:30:53] and that's the reason I I am pushing I

[1:30:56] am pushing for us to revisit these um

[1:30:59] allocation and if ageny are not of the

[1:31:02] power bring it back in we make our

[1:31:04] Amendment make our adjustment reallocate

[1:31:06] to the city and let's keep it in house

[1:31:08] and that will help us in the 20126 by

[1:31:11] doing that partly rather than

[1:31:14] later the one question we were

[1:31:18] neighborhood neighborhood they talk

[1:31:20] about reallocating some money we made

[1:31:23] one allocation $500,000 assignments part

[1:31:26] and there were some email I'm not sure

[1:31:27] if everybody was copy on it if not we

[1:31:30] can share it yes everyone got the email

[1:31:32] they were asking for some reallocation

[1:31:34] to ker Street Park and we direct them to

[1:31:38] your office and the department of

[1:31:39] development to kind of like work with

[1:31:42] you and the department of development

[1:31:43] see what the the needs are there at car

[1:31:46] street and we we can make amendment to

[1:31:50] some

[1:31:52] recommendation this point not prepared

[1:31:54] to make a recommendation out there's

[1:31:56] still work to be done in Stein's

[1:31:59] part

[1:32:01] and i' like to make sure that gets

[1:32:05] done so that we're not kind of doing

[1:32:09] half F projects in two parts and then to

[1:32:13] focus on Harry Street we've worked with

[1:32:17] uh car street where we've done some tree

[1:32:19] planting and some other modifications

[1:32:21] there and so you know it's moving

[1:32:24] ahead uh there's some

[1:32:28] internal uh discussions within that

[1:32:30] group you know it

[1:32:33] wasn't best I can tell a formal meeting

[1:32:36] the goose Hill Neighborhood to make that

[1:32:40] recommendation to pull money out is a

[1:32:43] smaller group that part of the

[1:32:44] leadership I'm not saying anybody is

[1:32:47] wrong but there's uh discussions I think

[1:32:50] still have to happen before make any

[1:32:53] final decision ision and the first being

[1:32:55] what are the actual costs we need in

[1:32:57] Stein Park to get that done and before

[1:33:00] we look at K

[1:33:02] Street and they did bring it up at the

[1:33:04] meeting the most they brought that up

[1:33:07] and then I think after that there was an

[1:33:09] email that went to um that that came to

[1:33:12] me and asked I think it came to all the

[1:33:14] council and then I my resp my response

[1:33:16] was that they should go to the

[1:33:18] Department of development it's not up to

[1:33:19] us to take that information that send it

[1:33:22] to the Department of development inur

[1:33:24] would then you know consider bring back

[1:33:26] whatever they had and bring it to the

[1:33:27] council although the other night I think

[1:33:29] that there was a misunderstanding that

[1:33:32] they could again come back to the

[1:33:33] council and um and ask that

[1:33:37] question no that's why I I didn't make

[1:33:40] that comment to a member that they need

[1:33:44] to speak to the mayor Department of

[1:33:45] development and the engineer and to kind

[1:33:48] of lay out what uh is needed ass

[1:33:51] signment and the f

[1:33:54] to complete that project and any left

[1:33:56] over then it can be reallocated to that

[1:33:58] project but it will have to be um driven

[1:34:00] by um Fair estimate from the

[1:34:10] engineering any question on this

[1:34:31] so just to address the

[1:34:35] um the hill

[1:34:38] hearts and the money that is available

[1:34:40] Hill schol allocated

[1:34:44] $250,000

[1:34:46] and it looked like they a balance of

[1:34:50] $230,000 and the compensation that was

[1:34:52] center around this last time and the

[1:34:55] misinformation that was F that nobody

[1:34:58] wanted to move any money out from B is

[1:35:01] more about how do we spend this money in

[1:35:03] B within the park there and repair the

[1:35:08] pool is I enough money to fix the pool

[1:35:10] or do we do a splash p and I think that

[1:35:14] M Patrick and Miss P was trying to to

[1:35:16] get in terms of um how do we spend the

[1:35:20] remaining money there internally

[1:35:27] there are some spending there against

[1:35:29] that L the hell horse

[1:35:31] pool the big question is is that

[1:35:33] adequate

[1:35:35] $250,000 to complete the re there's

[1:35:41] uh some negotiations that are going on

[1:35:44] that

[1:35:45] uh

[1:35:47] say Council to Executive session if you

[1:35:50] want be briefed on

[1:35:52] that other

[1:35:56] yes I I was going to actually discuss a

[1:35:58] couple things more go in executive

[1:35:59] session we want to talk about some

[1:36:00] pending expens into next year that we

[1:36:02] are not accounting for the

[1:36:04] budget that

[1:36:07] be and yes we can do that and then talk

[1:36:10] about the fire yeah put

[1:36:17] couple so just no I just want to clear

[1:36:20] the ear on this um Hill hor allocation

[1:36:22] the allocation the one for the Fair View

[1:36:25] part and the pool no money is being

[1:36:28] removed from the the B allocation we

[1:36:31] might we might to repair the pool and

[1:36:33] stuff that is no that is not happening

[1:36:36] that's no go that's just no the money is

[1:36:38] not adequate it's

[1:36:40] not and actually um you know you all got

[1:36:43] the email you saw the responses and so

[1:36:47] somehow the information was that at this

[1:36:49] table that Miss Patrick and I were

[1:36:51] trying to figure out ways to remove the

[1:36:53] money that conversation didn't happen

[1:36:55] the conversation was around the money

[1:36:57] that is currently here what can we do

[1:36:59] with it and the suggestion that I made

[1:37:02] was that could we do a slash pad and

[1:37:04] that was a conversation somehow that got

[1:37:05] misconstrued to you're taking the money

[1:37:07] back an email came to us and an email

[1:37:10] went out to the community or at least

[1:37:11] the Bel group just just so you know

[1:37:14] saying that this is what they're doing

[1:37:15] and then an email said oh stand down

[1:37:17] that's not what they doing after they

[1:37:18] got the email saying otherwise so just

[1:37:20] want to make it clear at this table that conversation didn't take place then

[1:37:24] it's not taking place now um no one's

[1:37:27] asking to remove money from helpers but

[1:37:30] rather to figure out within the park how

[1:37:32] we use the money to the best um of our

[1:37:36] ability based on the amount of money

[1:37:37] that there

[1:37:39] is so may would it be can we can you get

[1:37:43] an update to

[1:37:45] theate for this

[1:37:47] pool just for the sake of discussion to

[1:37:50] see where where it lands in terms of how

[1:37:53] make adjustments in the next couple of

[1:37:57] weeks I'm probably not going to be able

[1:37:59] to get a number that would

[1:38:03] be accurate No No something something

[1:38:05] that we can you

[1:38:08] know well we did

[1:38:15] AOL we one in the

[1:38:19] city yeah because if it's we allocated

[1:38:22] 250,000 if it's like 100,000 more then

[1:38:25] consideration can be given to say okay

[1:38:27] if it's that amount I'm just thr numbers

[1:38:28] out that number is too low and the

[1:38:33] engineering issue with that pool is it

[1:38:35] was losing huge amount of water every

[1:38:39] day um they could not identify where the

[1:38:44] water was going they can't find an

[1:38:47] obvious Leep and what they're worried

[1:38:50] about is the potential to create a cab

[1:38:54] either underneath the pool or adjacent

[1:38:56] to the pool so that you

[1:38:58] would have people in swimming you would

[1:39:01] have a catastrophic collapse of the pool

[1:39:04] is why I closed it number of years ago

[1:39:08] and you the repairs would

[1:39:12] be just

[1:39:17] yes the millions so then the

[1:39:19] consideration is a PL spash pad is the

[1:39:23] ideal thing to to kind of replace

[1:39:26] that consideration can be given to that

[1:39:29] they need

[1:39:31] discussion all

[1:39:36] right I don't have anything else on

[1:39:39] this anybody else

[1:39:48] this the the connect Foundation the food

[1:39:51] program The Healthy Choice program it's

[1:39:54] still 540,000

[1:39:57] there

[1:39:58] any you raise your

[1:40:03] hand Anthony or Derek they've been

[1:40:06] drawing some money down yeah we have

[1:40:08] like about

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[1:40:11] 240 should be

[1:40:14] the yeah yes that's correct yeah 21 2135

[1:40:19] is

[1:40:25] bance of

[1:40:27] 542 well I just want to say I think that

[1:40:29] the initial um allocation of 600,000 to

[1:40:32] this connecting Foundation was for a

[1:40:34] three-year project so um I don't know

[1:40:39] because it is a lower figure that they

[1:40:41] have spended so far to date but I think

[1:40:43] that that was the that was the overall

[1:40:45] plan I think when we first uh gave them

[1:40:48] the the

[1:40:49] 600,000 and they but we I think it would

[1:40:53] be to get some more detail on that um in

[1:40:56] terms of

[1:40:58] um they they established a food Council

[1:41:00] that's connected County food council

[1:41:02] with that with that funding um but I

[1:41:05] can't I I'm not sure funding that there

[1:41:08] that's going out into the community from

[1:41:11] is from that money I don't think it is

[1:41:13] but I think we need to we probably would

[1:41:15] need to get some clarification from them

[1:41:17] but it was a

[1:41:19] three-year

[1:41:21] you yeah provide that update for

[1:41:25] us miss car too any other comments on

[1:41:28] this what D Miss car okay

[1:41:34] Miss say that all right say

[1:41:39] the there is one report of talk and then

[1:41:43] we'll go into exu session and then we'll

[1:41:46] continue

[1:41:50] tomorrow hasib with

[1:41:54] the

[1:41:55] vacancies I think some question was

[1:41:57] asked

[1:42:05] today

[1:42:07] address they everyone received this

[1:42:09] email

[1:42:11] M yes Chief Clipper yes okay

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[1:42:27] this is an extra this is an extra vacy

[1:42:30] I'll give

[1:42:31] it

[1:42:32] V oh everybody has the

[1:42:36] vacancies VES make I had an extra copy

[1:42:39] so I just put it on de's

[1:42:42] pile let's make a three

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[1:42:49] copies unless it's unless it's updated

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[1:43:12] yeah I took the one

[1:43:15] back it's a little different

[1:43:31] 8464 does she carry the B it's

[1:43:34] $846 yeah no I saw that yeah that's left

[1:43:41] yes

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[1:43:48] that yo stretch yeah

[1:44:04] that's a

[1:44:08] mile M

[1:44:12] stopped finally

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[1:44:28] sometimes I wake

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[1:44:49] up just stret it stretch it out

[1:44:54] right up

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[1:45:49] we were looking to do

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[1:46:21] the have one of m

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[1:47:14] put

[1:47:23] the

[1:47:24] fun I'm just

[1:47:26] asking not quite yet not quite

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[1:47:51] yet that

[1:47:55] no I will let you know just couple

[1:47:57] things we need to discuss and then we'll

[1:47:58] go in ex session and W up for

[1:48:01] 7:30 we we just go for the vacy list

[1:48:04] there were some questions to that and

[1:48:06] this report for us we just want to go

[1:48:08] through it to make sure that we address

[1:48:10] all the

[1:48:11] concerns and if there have questions we

[1:48:14] can ask

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[1:48:24] and I think this is an early list it's

[1:48:27] like the code enforcement is actually

[1:48:29] the results came back on the test so P

[1:48:33] some of those the Law Department doesn't

[1:48:36] reflect these positions there we those

[1:48:43] to I sent follow email

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[1:48:55] um go ahead please I just want to in the

[1:49:01] engineering is it the IPS 3 that's

[1:49:03] vacant or is it the IPS 4 on page 10 I

[1:49:06] don't know why I thought I have a note

[1:49:08] to myself but I don't know why I guess

[1:49:10] three is the B it is

[1:49:18] okay thank you

[1:49:24] any question on

[1:49:26] this go ahead please um it is in regards

[1:49:31] to the deputy Corporation Council I have

[1:49:34] concerns with eliminating that

[1:49:37] um secondary role within that department

[1:49:42] um I can understand the reasoning behind

[1:49:45] trying to replace that with a certain

[1:49:48] number of part-time uh assistant

[1:49:51] Corporation Council

[1:49:53] positions um but to me definitely having

[1:49:56] either a redundancy within the

[1:49:58] department even if more having a um like

[1:50:03] progression to support but also future

[1:50:07] because uh our current Corporation C is

[1:50:09] not going to be there forever so I think

[1:50:10] having the proper um training and

[1:50:13] development is important um it is in

[1:50:16] place in every other department so I

[1:50:18] think to have this not reflect that

[1:50:20] current standard um I think

[1:50:23] is could potentially be an issue not

[1:50:25] saying that it will be saying it could

[1:50:34] be I stay ask for help I if you guys

[1:50:40] want things to move quickly and

[1:50:42] efficiently more help would not be uh I

[1:50:46] mean more help would be very appreciated

[1:50:55] so this followup question would be in

[1:50:58] response to the number of positions that

[1:50:59] you requesting assistant Corporation

[1:51:01] councils obviously if the council was to

[1:51:04] elect to still fund the deputy it

[1:51:06] wouldn't be the full ask are you

[1:51:08] confident you would be able to fill all

[1:51:11] the requested positions that you did ask

[1:51:12] for in regards to the assistant

[1:51:14] Corporation counsel if that makes sense

[1:51:15] so I don't know if iard question you're requesting four positions I don't

[1:51:19] have that

[1:51:21] line so if we were to proceed with that

[1:51:24] are you confident you would fill those F

[1:51:26] throughout the year those are filled

[1:51:28] yeah those are filled yeah the parttime

[1:51:31] assistants are

[1:51:32] [Music]

[1:51:34] F so go ahead please so we'd be adding

[1:51:38] if Mr Williams So you you're are you

[1:51:41] thinking that we add the deputy cor

[1:51:43] Council back in at

[1:51:45] 106,000 I

[1:51:47] think did you is it that

[1:51:50] the Well it's thing I think we're trying

[1:51:53] to do like the assistant Corporation

[1:51:55] cons on the PDM and then um kind of take

[1:51:58] some funding from that line upwards it's

[1:52:01] a movement within zero impact it's not

[1:52:04] going to be zero impact have to add some

[1:52:06] money if there's a consideration so

[1:52:08] defitely F the deputy Corporation

[1:52:11] Council

[1:52:13] line well I mean we still need

[1:52:17] c

[1:52:19] um me

[1:52:22] my suggestion to you if you're concerned

[1:52:25] about

[1:52:28] uh is perhaps add a uh you don't

[1:52:33] necessarily need a deputy if you're

[1:52:36] concerned about fulltime people you can

[1:52:39] consider adding um another full-time

[1:52:41] assistant Which is less expensive than a

[1:52:43] deputy that person would still be being

[1:52:46] trained over time just like uh we have

[1:52:50] someone who's

[1:52:53] going to be filling the full-time

[1:52:56] assistant so I mean that person's being

[1:52:58] trained over time if that's your

[1:53:03] concerned so go ahead pleas would it be

[1:53:06] so if we're not going to do if you're

[1:53:08] saying that the deputy this isn't

[1:53:10] necessary but would it and if going to

[1:53:12] hire an assistant Corporation counsel

[1:53:14] would it be better to hire someone that

[1:53:15] already had the skill set as opposed to

[1:53:18] someone who we you know have to bring in

[1:53:20] and train even though could we get

[1:53:22] someone at a I don't know what the cost

[1:53:24] would be me I can certainly look that up

[1:53:27] so we could have someone who had already

[1:53:28] had the skill set as an assistant as as

[1:53:31] opposed to someone you have to bring in

[1:53:32] a train well certainly the more you pay

[1:53:35] you're going to get someone with more

[1:53:37] experience um I was just making the

[1:53:40] suggestion because it's less expensive

[1:53:42] to hire an assistant as compared to a

[1:53:45] more experienced

[1:53:48] deputy just want to remind everybody too

[1:53:51] uh during the years Andrew col was here

[1:53:53] was he four or five years he was here

[1:53:55] yeah I was going to ask he only hired

[1:53:57] one guy five years he didn't he at least

[1:54:00] we have staff of people that you know

[1:54:02] now whereas previously last five years

[1:54:05] we only had one other

[1:54:08] guy he was only there for the last

[1:54:10] couple years too and if I'm not mistaken

[1:54:12] um any can help me with this for for

[1:54:15] many years we didn't have a deputy yeah

[1:54:18] you didn't have anybody yeah for many

[1:54:19] years I know I'm trying to recall this

[1:54:22] only happed like recently where this

[1:54:23] position was um funded over a couple

[1:54:26] years if you're con I mean if you're

[1:54:28] concerned about us being able to manage

[1:54:31] all the workload like the mayor had said

[1:54:34] earlier about use perum and sometimes

[1:54:37] outside Council you can consider just

[1:54:39] adding more to the perum line um because

[1:54:43] that's the line that like if we need

[1:54:46] another assistant another part-time

[1:54:49] assistant it's going to come out of that

[1:54:50] perum line um and a part-time assistant

[1:54:54] at 10 hours is

[1:54:56] $32,500 and the perum is only

[1:55:00] $55,000 so if you want to do a cost

[1:55:03] effective add to our department you can

[1:55:06] consider uh adding to that perum which

[1:55:09] will give us the ability to hire more

[1:55:11] part-time people which like we had

[1:55:13] talked about earlier you get more bang

[1:55:14] for your buck because you're getting

[1:55:16] people usually who have either retired

[1:55:18] or have their own practice that are

[1:55:21] experienced and they help they have a

[1:55:23] lot of experience in a particular area

[1:55:26] and so you get a lot of bang for your

[1:55:27] buck when you I have found um and other

[1:55:31] there are other

[1:55:33] um uh law Departments of municipalities

[1:55:37] that are also switching to this

[1:55:40] part-time uh model because it's easier

[1:55:43] to

[1:55:44] attract uh talent that way um and so my

[1:55:48] suggestion if this is your concern is

[1:55:51] perhaps to add some Mone into the per DM

[1:55:54] and we that will give us the ability to

[1:55:56] hire more part-time people who are uh

[1:56:01] experience and we do have a full-time

[1:56:03] assistant well he's not licensed yet but

[1:56:05] he licensed in uh January Assuming he's

[1:56:10] passed the bar exam which we are

[1:56:12] optimistic on so there is another

[1:56:14] full-time

[1:56:15] person um that will be trained and that

[1:56:18] will learn over time um from both my and

[1:56:23] all of our part-time people who are so

[1:56:25] skilled and experienced and um helpful

[1:56:29] with us where is that in the budget

[1:56:31] they're already there um that money is

[1:56:34] coming out of the assistant Corporation

[1:56:36] Council

[1:56:38] line

[1:56:39] he's CU he's going to

[1:56:42] well

[1:56:44] the HR adult with this the money is

[1:56:47] coming out of that line but that's not

[1:56:48] his

[1:56:49] title because he's not a lawyer yet yet

[1:56:53] but yeah so there is another full-time

[1:56:55] person that or another person that will

[1:56:57] be a lawyer full-time and will learn

[1:56:59] from all of

[1:57:01] us so just want to make sure I

[1:57:04] understand this so there's a person

[1:57:05] that's working

[1:57:06] full-time um they're not they haven't

[1:57:08] passed a Baro and then their their money

[1:57:12] is coming out of one of the assistant

[1:57:14] Corporation Council part

[1:57:16] timelines uh no money there's a

[1:57:18] full-time there's two full-time

[1:57:20] assistant lines I think

[1:57:22] so the money is coming out of one of

[1:57:24] those lines but that's not his title

[1:57:27] under civil service because he not

[1:57:28] licensed yet but yeah so he's going to

[1:57:32] have that line that you have in the Arca

[1:57:34] there's a blue line fulltime person so

[1:57:39] um we do have a full another person that

[1:57:41] will be full-time uh well him he's not

[1:57:45] licensed but uh if you're concerned

[1:57:48] adding to the prium would be very

[1:57:49] helpful

[1:57:54] thank

[1:57:57] you I was concerned that there you were

[1:58:00] the only full-time person there so this

[1:58:03] kind of um clarifies that thank

[1:58:15] you any other question on this on the

[1:58:18] vacancies on the vacancies

[1:58:23] [Music]

[1:58:25] the other one we can touch on is the is

[1:58:28] a letter from

[1:58:29] [Music]

[1:58:31] the with regards to the information I

[1:58:35] was

[1:58:42] asked he's very specific

[1:58:45] um with this

[1:58:48] um with his information here

[1:58:59] [Music]

[1:59:04] yeah so I did and they take away from

[1:59:07] this is that they looking to use this

[1:59:09] money to um to purchase

[1:59:13] equipment at some point in

[1:59:19] time go ahead please so um I did ask

[1:59:21] that question question regarding the

[1:59:23] asset for furance so they have like over

[1:59:26] about

[1:59:27] $228,000 in there and they also they

[1:59:30] list a number of things that they say

[1:59:32] they can use it for and one of those

[1:59:33] things is overtime satday so if they're

[1:59:36] concerned about the overtime we

[1:59:38] definitely don't want to reduce it but

[1:59:40] there is funding that is here that I um

[1:59:43] feel like we could if

[1:59:45] we're if we need to be able to um put

[1:59:48] some money towards that line there's

[1:59:49] just these assets that are there and I'm

[1:59:52] not sure according the time over which

[1:59:53] theyve collected them but according to

[1:59:56] this email that we got on February

[1:59:58] excuse me October 11th they do have

[2:00:03] $228,000 we we also have to be this I

[2:00:08] think the numers they had about

[2:00:09] $69,000 in the account for a long time

[2:00:13] and then in the last 6 months or

[2:00:16] so this balance of money has come in and

[2:00:19] there from 2014

[2:00:22] 13

[2:00:24] 133

[2:00:25] cases yes so the logic by which some of

[2:00:29] this money is disseminated from the

[2:00:31] federal government escapes

[2:00:33] me

[2:00:35] uh this the lower number they've gotten

[2:00:39] some bigger checks in from older

[2:00:42] cases I I understand all that it's just

[2:00:45] that right now we're looking money

[2:00:47] wherever we can get it and so if there's

[2:00:49] money that can be allocated to overtime

[2:00:51] to late some of the the amount of money

[2:00:54] on that line and not saying take all of

[2:00:56] it but I think they'll certainly I'm

[2:01:00] being told for overtime is without

[2:01:03] referencing specific numbers if we

[2:01:06] budget a million dollar a year for

[2:01:09] overtime give would take a little bit

[2:01:12] you can't then all of a sudden say

[2:01:14] you're only going to budget

[2:01:16] $750,000 for overtime and then use a

[2:01:18] quar million of this money you you could

[2:01:22] take where average has been a million

[2:01:24] dollar and then move it up to 1.2

[2:01:28] million but you can't create a scenario

[2:01:31] where you're supplanting and replacing

[2:01:34] existing budgeted money it's supposed to

[2:01:37] be done for enhancement or

[2:01:40] additional public safety features with

[2:01:43] policing so then let me ask this if in

[2:01:46] fact they um they go over on their

[2:01:48] overtime is there an opportunity to use

[2:01:50] this as opposed to use it from City

[2:01:52] budget or they this cannot be touched in

[2:01:54] any way regarding that if it if you

[2:01:57] budgeted a million dollars

[2:02:00] and we go

[2:02:02] over then there would be scenarios where

[2:02:05] it possibly could be

[2:02:07] used it's uh the

[2:02:11] uh two fires we

[2:02:14] had uh on the same day happened like the

[2:02:18] worst possible Day from a budget

[2:02:20] perspective

[2:02:22] that was the actual Columbus Day for the

[2:02:24] fire department so everything was double

[2:02:27] time and a

[2:02:29] half

[2:02:31] again that was not everybody was called

[2:02:34] in everybody did a great job doing it

[2:02:36] but from budgeting perspective I would

[2:02:40] have prefer it be a day before a day

[2:02:48] after cuz we generally go over on over

[2:02:52] on the over time

[2:03:00] budget there should be less pressure on

[2:03:03] it going into 25 because our staffing

[2:03:06] has come up where

[2:03:09] before some of it was

[2:03:11] to CU the numbers were

[2:03:15] down we were back filling Frontline

[2:03:18] positions at time and a half where now

[2:03:21] we'll be able to fill those front line

[2:03:22] positions with regular staff and there

[2:03:25] still will be 247

[2:03:29] operation need for overtime but I'm

[2:03:33] hopeful that there'll

[2:03:34] be uh less pressure on that going in 25

[2:03:38] so is the overtime budget larger this

[2:03:40] year than last year depends on which

[2:03:42] Ling at it's because there's P time

[2:03:45] there's investigative time there's

[2:03:48] Patrol I I think have and I'm glad you

[2:03:51] brought that up different um different

[2:03:53] lines because I noticed in the

[2:03:54] administrative line they've only used

[2:03:57] 50% um of the overtime is there like

[2:04:01] let's say they don't need all their they

[2:04:03] only get to 65% for the end of the year

[2:04:06] do is there can we move money out of the

[2:04:09] admin overtime line to other over time

[2:04:11] lines uh I believe Finance does that

[2:04:14] balance it out we do have end of the

[2:04:16] year try to make it

[2:04:18] so all

[2:04:20] the all the lines are zero you know be

[2:04:23] zero uh the AL the budget will be uh not

[2:04:28] at negative

[2:04:30] numbers number

[2:04:32] zero so the short answer is you would

[2:04:34] move from in investigation or whatre we

[2:04:37] need it for y all right y right thank

[2:04:40] you

[2:04:53] so we're limited of how we use this

[2:04:56] money I mean how we can ask them to use

[2:05:00] f how we can use it how we can ask them

[2:05:02] to use it very

[2:05:04] limited but can but we can also they

[2:05:07] could buy things could Can the police

[2:05:10] department buy things from this money

[2:05:12] and not charge it to a City

[2:05:15] Line if it is above and beyond what

[2:05:18] we've budgeted for okay has to be above

[2:05:21] and

[2:05:24] beyond okay thank

[2:05:29] you go ahe so is it farfetch the thing

[2:05:32] since they proposed a budget for the

[2:05:35] community out reach of $5,000 that we

[2:05:38] add $20,000 from this from the

[2:05:41] perspective of other prevention and

[2:05:43] awareness programs is there a component

[2:05:45] that we could use to capture for

[2:05:47] community

[2:05:48] outreach uh that would be a creative use

[2:05:52] that would probably be

[2:05:54] applicable yeah it can be used for

[2:05:56] caining an education it's hard because

[2:05:59] we budgeted the larger number prior

[2:06:04] years we dro

[2:06:07] the it helped us damn it doesn't help

[2:06:12] [Music]

[2:06:22] the P they have mentioned um you know to

[2:06:25] us that 're looking towards maybe

[2:06:27] possible spend this money to equipment

[2:06:30] to buy equipment clean house department

[2:06:33] so that's a that's a uh for um use to

[2:06:40] buy equipment that is not in the capital

[2:06:43] that we already funded for but something

[2:06:44] outside of that enhance the department

[2:06:48] capability practical side of is they're

[2:06:50] looking to buy it a c cap which is a

[2:06:53] heavily armored vehicle

[2:06:55] [Music]

[2:06:57] to deal with OST situation we have to

[2:07:01] breach uh security facility uh I have

[2:07:06] not signed off on

[2:07:07] that yeah that sounds

[2:07:11] intense we do use it on a periodic basis

[2:07:16] we have relationships with other

[2:07:18] agencies that have it and so they bring

[2:07:21] those units in here to work with the SC

[2:07:25] Police

[2:07:27] Department let's borrow there as long as

[2:07:32] we all right any other question on this

[2:07:36] yeah see done this

[2:07:40] um well we did talk about the loss

[2:07:43] Revenue everybody has a cop of this

[2:07:45] think is straight

[2:07:47] forward um this report that Anthony

[2:07:50] provided to us with the detail

[2:07:52] brief unless you have any question I

[2:07:55] just this done but I think this straight

[2:07:58] forward went details every

[2:08:01] department and the

[2:08:05] impact and then we did have the U also

[2:08:09] the the

[2:08:11] funds the outline of the the funds on

[2:08:14] the draw down from each of the the funds

[2:08:16] this report

[2:08:20] here um

[2:08:29] someone had asked for the

[2:08:32] um

[2:08:34] the races from the Department not races

[2:08:37] but they ask from the Department the

[2:08:39] management this was the report carries I provide you an updated one just now

[2:08:44] yeah we just got that so this is a

[2:08:46] report here someone that ask um it's off

[2:09:00] oh

[2:09:01] yeah yeah there were some that we I had

[2:09:05] asked you know previous budget we avoid

[2:09:08] mentioning names and not attaching this

[2:09:10] deal with the title

[2:09:31] any question on

[2:09:35] [Music]

[2:09:47] that so I do have a question go ahead

[2:09:50] are we considering

[2:09:51] there's uh

[2:09:53] several requests for um

[2:09:57] increases I only see that one was

[2:10:02] actually

[2:10:03] um considered and add to the budget so

[2:10:06] we looking at any of the

[2:10:13] others can you high with to the

[2:10:16] bud I see everyone everyone of them has

[2:10:20] Delta

[2:10:21] yep the Deputy Commissioner

[2:10:30] finance and there's others that add were

[2:10:33] added and I didn't see know that

[2:10:55] yeah what was the highest increase we

[2:10:56] had this year

[2:10:58] 4.25 some some

[2:11:01] level was it four or

[2:11:03] [Music]

[2:11:06] four last year yes when fact this year

[2:11:14] forward and across the board there is a

[2:11:17] 3% P for management correct

[2:11:23] any question on

[2:11:25] this that's my question and the first

[2:11:28] one the first um version of this that we

[2:11:31] got um the request for that position was

[2:11:35] 110 the updated version that you gave us

[2:11:38] was

[2:11:40] 120 was those are supplemental sheets

[2:11:44] what's in the actual

[2:11:47] budget so

[2:11:53] [Music]

[2:11:56] yeah I I brought it up to Anthony and it

[2:11:57] was shouldn't it shouldn't be there and

[2:12:01] that was a correction I made that's I

[2:12:04] requested an updated copy and that's why

[2:12:06] I brought this back to the

[2:12:09] council that column should not have been

[2:12:11] there that was a calculation they were

[2:12:13] doing and some other stuff I'm sorry

[2:12:16] I've lost you a little bit um on this

[2:12:18] sheet here we replacing this sheet with

[2:12:20] the previous she so I ask that you just

[2:12:22] continue looking at that sheet there

[2:12:24] were some columns and some cells that

[2:12:26] should not have been there it was more

[2:12:28] of a useful culation squ supposed to

[2:12:30] take it out but but are these um these

[2:12:33] salaries are not necessarily in this

[2:12:35] budget yes they are yeah they are the 3%

[2:12:38] yeah the 3% is

[2:12:40] it what do you see on this she the 3%

[2:12:42] cost what do you see on this she here

[2:12:44] it's in the budget the previous sheet

[2:12:46] was a working document that some column

[2:12:49] was not um

[2:12:53] problem should have been hidden or

[2:12:55] adjustment taken out it was working um

[2:12:58] it was working

[2:12:59] document so the 3% additional is in the

[2:13:03] budget y yeah except that middle col Yes

[2:13:06] except for this deputy corre and that

[2:13:09] one is the

[2:13:11] request no the deput is in in the budget

[2:13:14] that's the request yes not the

[2:13:17] 3% yes everybody else is the 3% corre so

[2:13:20] what do you see that the number you

[2:13:21] seeing here it's on the about M I say

[2:13:28] yes any question on

[2:13:31] this my question is why we're not

[2:13:33] considering other um other departments

[2:13:37] heads who would requested that and

[2:13:40] what's the rationale for that um that we

[2:13:44] considered one ask and not any of the

[2:13:49] others we heard from you know we heard

[2:13:51] from the um I don't think the building

[2:13:54] officer mentioned excuse me I don't

[2:13:56] think the um building inspector actually

[2:13:58] mentioned anything to us about his ask

[2:14:00] but we did hear from the director of

[2:14:03] development about the ask for herself

[2:14:06] and for a member of her

[2:14:09] staff principal plan the principal plan

[2:14:12] thank you

[2:14:22] [Music]

[2:14:26] oh commissioner is he in there already

[2:14:28] though let see I'm at 133 well that's

[2:14:31] okay 3% okay that's

[2:14:35] Wonderful's got 3% too oh so what are

[2:14:39] you saying you should get some do I mean

[2:14:41] say if you're going raise theirs raise

[2:14:45] my so that's you know we we you know we

[2:14:50] had have uh the the deputy clerk we have a lot we have the city clerk so

[2:14:56] we haven't considered any others in so

[2:14:59] how do we do that think that everyone's

[2:15:02] working hard

[2:15:21] any question go ahead please I said how

[2:15:23] do we consider increasing uh some some

[2:15:27] of the increases that were asked and if

[2:15:29] they're not then what is our reason why

[2:15:31] not I know saying does lots of work is

[2:15:35] probably not the best way to do it but

[2:15:38] if we look at um what the reasonable

[2:15:40] salaries are it say we did and did that

[2:15:42] happen did we look at the other salaries

[2:15:45] as you said that you did um with this

[2:15:48] position to compete with right position

[2:15:51] in New York

[2:16:04] state these were to ask the question

[2:16:06] that they gave us the mayor was said 3%

[2:16:10] I explain to the mayor why we needed

[2:16:13] hire money for that director uh and that

[2:16:17] was the case was to get a qualified

[2:16:20] person into the position like like you

[2:16:22] talk about get a good lawyer full time

[2:16:25] you're going need a good find person

[2:16:28] full time and you seen and it's in the

[2:16:30] paper actually was in the paper today

[2:16:32] about what Tom roer and Tom miss the

[2:16:35] city of TR going through trying to find

[2:16:38] commissioner finances or or controllers

[2:16:40] and or Finance people uh because uh you can't find it so that was the reason

[2:16:47] U for that every else got 3%

[2:16:52] I see that y including myself I see that

[2:16:57] yourself

[2:17:08] yes yeah so the qu so the question

[2:17:12] was around so looking at did we do the

[2:17:16] same due diligence for other department

[2:17:17] heads and like and this is New York

[2:17:19] state or the surround so

[2:17:25] like oh yeah I thought it said I thought

[2:17:27] it said New York state in there maybe I

[2:17:30] thought what to

[2:17:37] say question

[2:17:40] becor direct development where she

[2:17:42] brought that department from and all

[2:17:44] those things so um and she she said to

[2:17:47] us I'm going sure the meeting May that

[2:17:50] um I don't believe you were that she

[2:17:51] said that she had spoken with you and

[2:17:53] that you told her that if any request

[2:17:55] she should come to the council

[2:17:57] with she's Mis phrased my word choice

[2:18:01] and that my recommendation for salaries

[2:18:04] is in the

[2:18:17] budget any other question on this

[2:18:30] all right we move

[2:18:34] to there's one this report here a report

[2:18:37] this copy of report may I thank you

[2:18:41] report is very very helpful yes I would

[2:18:44] I you please U send this to us and I

[2:18:48] apologize it's been prepared

[2:18:51] uh been done before it uh went staffing

[2:18:56] issues putting together and it's been

[2:18:57] compared for the last couple months and

[2:19:00] had not been sent to the council so that

[2:19:02] you'll get that now on a monthly basis

[2:19:05] and probably would be a good idea to

[2:19:08] have uh Mr Hamilton and Mr Douglas come

[2:19:11] in and do a summary of what they're

[2:19:17] doing in terms of data

[2:19:19] collection and

[2:19:22] I try and encourage them every month is

[2:19:23] to expand that so if there's an area

[2:19:26] that the council would like to see some

[2:19:30] analysis done on uh don't hesitate to

[2:19:33] reach out or uh raise your concern or

[2:19:37] ideas

[2:19:39] on yes this report you got a time please

[2:19:42] go it you have not detail report for

[2:19:45] every single department and it shows you

[2:19:47] where they are in terms of the workload

[2:19:49] and the service they proving to the

[2:19:51] residents very

[2:19:57] we another report I know we did talk

[2:20:00] about it I asked for a copy of this it's

[2:20:03] the um it has to do with the STA

[2:20:06] department and the enforcement they're

[2:20:08] doing um you know I personally would

[2:20:11] have to commend them I know D and I talk

[2:20:13] about this to the work that they're

[2:20:16] doing in terms of

[2:20:18] um bringing people into compliance STS

[2:20:21] of garbage impr improper storage of

[2:20:24] garbage and to make sure that people not

[2:20:26] stor in garbage and leaving it for days

[2:20:28] out to pick up by our our Poli

[2:20:31] department or also put their garbage can

[2:20:33] in the front of the building and they're

[2:20:34] taking over littering the entire Street

[2:20:37] since this enforcement has been put out

[2:20:40] here for the last couple months I

[2:20:42] personally have seen a change in the

[2:20:44] pattern of

[2:20:46] peopleo also saw that so it's a good

[2:20:49] thing people said well it's about it's

[2:20:52] not a ref driven thing it's about how we

[2:20:54] address Nuance how we address quality of

[2:20:57] life I think this is one of the report

[2:20:59] of you should have a report to see that

[2:21:02] what these guys are

[2:21:03] doing U from the N Department it's so

[2:21:07] you know I have to come in and for

[2:21:11] that I don't I think I know everybody

[2:21:14] has a copy I did make a copy of it um if

[2:21:18] anybody else need a copy I can share it

[2:21:19] but that's

[2:21:21] I just want to address

[2:21:25] that I don't think I'm missing any other

[2:21:27] report um we had to some stuff from um

[2:21:31] unless when I stepped out but the um

[2:21:33] building permit Fe structure just that's

[2:21:36] that part

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[2:21:40] um I I TR recomend that we we have to do

[2:21:44] the public hearing is on and then we

[2:21:45] have to come back in for discussion so

[2:21:48] that will address at that point in time

[2:21:49] when we the public hearing is the next

[2:21:52] cycle

[2:21:53] 26 25th 28 28th yes and then we'll

[2:21:57] address it after

[2:22:00] that yeah other than that I don't have

[2:22:03] any other report unless you have

[2:22:05] anything else I'm missing any report we

[2:22:09] have the the actuals which is

[2:22:10] straightforward go through that

[2:22:12] every and the answer

[2:22:16] questions I don't have anything else

[2:22:24] wage fees was the only amendment yeah

[2:22:26] those were those going to address so

[2:22:28] that's notd for but I just shared our

[2:22:30] copy because it was during that time oh

[2:22:33] we had the um aging of accounts

[2:22:35] receivable as

[2:22:38] well this one did I print it

[2:22:41] out I think Tony gave it to

[2:22:45] us aging aging of accounts receivable

[2:22:48] and then I wrote police oh yeah because

[2:22:50] it's um the value of penalties the total

[2:23:00] paid we talked about it we talked about

[2:23:03] it because when when AC Whipple was here

[2:23:09] ENT um

[2:23:12] violation yeah we did talk about this so

[2:23:14] they kind of give us this report to show

[2:23:16] us U where to break down yes so we did great if we could collect all

[2:23:20] that money is basically that would be

[2:23:22] like fantastic I mean it is something

[2:23:25] that we we can ask them for an update in

[2:23:27] the next three months to see how we

[2:23:28] doing with the agency and collect the

[2:23:33] outstanding those

[2:23:35] outstanding it will be very helpful INE

[2:23:40] our I don't have any other reports

[2:23:43] anything else that you have in your

[2:23:44] folder that we didn't address can

[2:23:46] address it and then we um have anything

[2:23:50] El we need to

[2:23:51] address and then we'll we'll call for an

[2:23:54] executive session so for some

[2:23:58] points any other

[2:24:02] business we need call on motion to go

[2:24:04] into executive session so move all in

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Schenectady City Council Budget Meeting, October 16, 2024

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