[0:00] my brother Vince had his knee done yeah

[0:02] I got my knee done GE got to get his hip

[0:03] done oh his hip yeah they say that's

[0:05] pretty easy to cover yeah I know you

[0:09] know saying that's they that kitchen

[0:12] killed us oh absolutely you know my

[0:15] brother worked for gold since

[0:17] 1977 cleaning it

[0:24] cut seat Center

[0:28] here 30

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[0:44] [Applause]

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[0:54] yeah you're doing really well my brother

[0:57] I

[1:00] tonight T absolutely away my brother

[1:06] [Applause]

[1:09] they we having a good time let's invite

[1:12] them yeah what's what

[1:17] today let's make it a short one today

[1:19] take tomorrow take

[1:22] tomorrow

[1:26] I a short one today right your out there

[1:31] F than that I don't have one of

[1:34] those yeah we can make a shark max know

[1:37] Max is coming in millions of dollars

[1:39] thank you Max appreciate that got

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[2:26] I'd like to call the conect city council

[2:28] committee meeting for thday October

[2:32] 17th 17th more than half the month is on

[2:36] we have one committee tonight turn toiss

[2:38] for finance thank you madam president I

[2:40] would like to call the finance committee

[2:42] to ARA and we have a couple items held

[2:46] over from today we have some new

[2:50] um questions and

[2:52] answers from

[2:55] today and the first item we going into

[2:58] is the ARA discussion question follow up

[3:01] from um

[3:03] yesterday they were some questions from

[3:07] yesterday and we ask Miss Cara to be

[3:11] here to help us navigate those uh those

[3:15] questions

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[3:23] [Applause]

[3:30] so if we can first go to our um our ARA

[3:34] allocation um

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[3:56] sheets course sorry to put you on the sh

[3:58] notice um you were hoping to get you

[4:02] next Monday or CLE but you're going be

[4:04] off so we have to

[4:06] utilize the small amount of information

[4:09] you may have for for us okay I'm ready

[4:11] for you I'm ready there's no pressure

[4:13] there no pressure If you don't have the

[4:14] information you can always email it to

[4:16] us

[4:18] okay um the take away from yesterday is

[4:21] that

[4:22] um I know you and your your department

[4:25] is aggressively going um

[4:27] on so Poli these contract out to the

[4:30] relevant agencies who was awarded on the

[4:33] alpha funding there are some agency that

[4:35] is still U you're working with them they

[4:38] are still they're still trying to get

[4:41] the documents in place and also try to

[4:44] leverage the other funding from the

[4:46] other agencies so there are a couple

[4:50] agencies here that um we would like you

[4:54] to kind of tell us if you have the

[4:56] information as to where they are in

[4:58] terms of the

[5:01] their portion of the work and okay

[5:07] and that would be the first one um

[5:10] Habitat for Humanity Habitat for

[5:14] Humanity 500,000 is allocated to the

[5:16] ranking house um their project is due to

[5:20] start March of 2025 for that house so

[5:22] they have all of the other funding but

[5:25] it's not going to be done be ready to

[5:27] take so March here they have all the

[5:30] fundings yes and you have all the

[5:33] documentation regards to that yes so in

[5:37] terms of signing a contract with them

[5:38] they're already in contract we only have

[5:40] one organization that is not in

[5:43] contract which has been reported um to

[5:46] the city council so we just have one

[5:47] which is

[5:49] Dory in Dory Foundation is the only subp

[5:54] that is not a

[5:56] contract what about BC and handon

[6:02] like the $500,000 for bcn they are on

[6:05] contract there was some issues with the

[6:08] title on a city owned property not clean

[6:10] title um but that do have a question

[6:12] mark if they are going to be they had

[6:15] some hiccups with some of their leverage

[6:17] funding that they were going to use for

[6:19] that entire

[6:21] project these hicups will affect the

[6:23] funding from our end

[6:30] if you don't have the answer yeah I

[6:32] don't have the answer on that I will say

[6:34] that we asked for a spending plan from

[6:37] bcni um I should have that by the 23rd

[6:40] deadline is next week so I should have

[6:41] that from dcni on their plans on how

[6:44] they're going to spend this money down

[6:45] by the

[6:46] deadline I'm talking about bcni what

[6:49] about the the $1 million the $1 million

[6:52] myself as a department of development I

[6:54] do have concerns with being able to

[6:56] spend that down um in the time manner

[6:59] because they do have other funding for

[7:01] owner occupy reand from our

[7:03] cdbg so that is$ million right now

[7:07] they've only spent

[7:11] down

[7:13] $3,000 yes would be able to share those

[7:15] from email to us

[7:20] sure and the next one I think is the

[7:22] Hamilton hill art

[7:25] centor again we have requested the

[7:27] spending plan for the Hamil Center they

[7:30] don't have site yet so that is a concern

[7:32] for the Department of development they

[7:34] have not secured a site for this

[7:38] project so all in all there bcni $1

[7:41] million and the Hamilton Art Center 1 $2

[7:47] million yes is of concerns yes and we

[7:51] you have contracts for have that

[7:52] $500,000 bcni

[7:55] 500,000 and $1

[7:57] million yes they are

[8:01] contract am I missing any other um

[8:04] agencies please

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[8:22] help where's

[8:24] second the YW so

[8:27] the Y

[8:29] in Washington so they've spent 106

[8:32] already of the 364 so what are their

[8:34] plans we ask for a spending plan for

[8:37] them to their project they are still for

[8:39] their Harbor House project they did come

[8:41] to city council and ask for some of

[8:43] those for the capital project to be

[8:44] moved to the Harper house which was

[8:47] approved by resolution but there are

[8:49] funding um issues they're still lining

[8:51] up all their funding to move forward

[8:53] with the har

[9:00] what's the latest with the Electric City

[9:02] Food Coop they went into contract just

[9:05] two and a half weeks ago so they we

[9:08] received only pre-contractual documents

[9:10] and they are in contract and prepared to

[9:12] start spending down as soon as possible

[9:13] as well

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[9:30] did you already talk about Carver before

[9:32] I came into the room the Carver no no no

[9:35] anything on offer

[9:38] please so Carver is not in contract

[9:52] okay into the budget was came out of us

[9:55] we resend it essentially their funds

[9:57] were put back into the budget so

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[10:07] go Ahad so am I correcting U these

[10:10] monies just have to be allocated by

[10:12] December 31st but spent by December 31st

[10:15] of

[10:20] 20252 a construction project they needed

[10:23] to have sight they needed to have sight

[10:27] by the end of this year

[10:30] construction we cannot make

[10:33] changes

[10:35] in5 that is not clear Trey guidelines

[10:39] are I believe the city the municipality

[10:42] has some

[10:45] flexibility it's not just allocated the

[10:48] council can allocate something we have

[10:50] to be under

[10:52] contract with it by the December 31st is

[10:55] that

[10:56] correct that's

[11:00] but also is that like she said if you're

[11:03] construction you got to have S command

[11:06] you got to have like that um we we can't

[11:11] go under contract if so he doesn't

[11:13] have correct as part of the

[11:15] pre-contractual documents that are

[11:21] required so who the that effect on this

[11:24] list she just BC right

[11:29] everybody they're all in contract just D

[11:31] is not in contract and they're not

[11:33] construction so they're working on

[11:34] getting they have about 85% of the pre

[11:37] contractual documents we're just waiting

[11:39] on a few items there what the lower

[11:41] policy you know minor

[11:46] things did you say b a million dollars

[11:49] was a concern just if they're going to

[11:51] be able to spend a million in the time

[11:54] frame that is allowed for ARA is a

[11:57] concern because they also have other

[12:00] we've allocated other funding to them

[12:02] and they're slow with spending it down

[12:03] which is why we act for spending

[12:09] plan and so far Hilton Art Center is the

[12:12] one that does not

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[12:17] have is that the infill development

[12:20] project or the 1 million to bcni oh

[12:24] that's that was I was going to ask what what was the second bcni project

[12:28] okay gotcha it's

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[12:36] right have that

[12:38] sheet oh sorry I missed the sheet

[12:45] sorry focused on the other

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[12:50] sheets go ahead please Carver is there a

[12:53] deadline for when you requested to have

[12:56] those spin back just we can still action

[12:58] oober

[13:00] I'm sorry October October

[13:02] 23rd to have all the documents in to

[13:06] have a spending plan so that I'll be

[13:08] able to present that to Finance on where

[13:11] they are when spending down the money

[13:12] not to have all documents Mr

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[13:16] M we we have all of the documents if

[13:19] they're in contract we've collected

[13:21] everything that they needed according to

[13:23] what we set forth for the

[13:24] pre-contractual requirements so we have

[13:26] those documents on F

[13:30] go ahead please um gr Park we only spend

[13:35] 18,000

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[13:40] correct that is correct and the park

[13:43] allocation on councilwoman is more

[13:45] engineering has

[13:47] been

[13:49] for City

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[14:00] and we do have a couple of organizations

[14:02] that are slow spending but they are

[14:04] aware that they are slow and the team is

[14:06] constantly reminding of the deadline and

[14:09] they need to spend it down for the most

[14:15] part our our our deadline to possibly

[14:20] Rec coup those funds is sooner than AR

[14:24] deadline right we're communica to them

[14:26] that if by this date you don't have that

[14:28] or maybe not by a spefic specific dat

[14:29] but if things AR moving in in

[14:32] a at a good Pace then there you know we

[14:35] might have to recuit those funds I I've

[14:38] sent down notification saying that you

[14:40] know for example to be cni that the

[14:42] funds are at risk

[14:45] captured so would it will not be a

[14:47] surprise but I use that as leverage to

[14:49] get the spending plan sure from the

[14:55] organizations go ahead please and I I

[14:57] the this came up the other night at our

[14:59] meeting um you actually asked for

[15:01] reports on a regular basis from the

[15:03] folks right yes that's what I thought

[15:05] yes we're the team is working what I

[15:08] sent an email out to say that we just

[15:10] Clos out the fiscal year so reports were

[15:12] due to the Department of development on

[15:14] the 15th so we have a couple of

[15:16] stragglers so versus sending numerous

[15:18] emails with the report we're just kind

[15:20] of waiting for the stragglers to submit

[15:22] so I can send you that final report for

[15:24] the fiscal year versus every single

[15:26] quarter for every single sub because the

[15:29] report is cumulative so when you look at

[15:31] the last report for the year you're

[15:33] going to be able to see everything that

[15:34] they spent their accomplishments the

[15:36] demographics that they Ser with the

[15:38] funding and they list out the challenges

[15:40] that they may have experienced spending

[15:42] down the

[15:55] funding are there any other question

[16:05] please I guess just because I've never

[16:07] been a part of this scenario but should

[16:10] we recoup funds after we theoretically

[16:13] already passed the budget how does that

[16:14] process proceed

[16:18] wel can I ask a question what time frame

[16:21] if the spending plan date that I've

[16:23] given of October 23rd does that work to

[16:26] give the information so that then you

[16:28] can make a decision based on a plan that

[16:30] the sub

[16:35] provide at this

[16:37] point it's what we

[16:39] have that's a good question well I think

[16:43] that you were mentioning that you were

[16:44] hoping that we were actually going to

[16:46] finish our work this week yeah and so we

[16:48] kind of

[16:49] need cross well no I mean I think that

[16:52] um that was what I Mr mudar has said

[16:54] that a few times but um I'm certainly

[16:57] hoping that we're going to finish our

[16:58] work by November 1st this year but um it

[17:02] seems to have been going smoothly enough

[17:04] that I was kind of hoping that we might

[17:05] be able I was on the same page as Mr bu

[17:08] and hoping that we could try to do it

[17:09] this week but I

[17:11] was

[17:13] what these are these a good a good

[17:15] question that you ask but I my

[17:19] understanding was that the the AR

[17:20] wouldn't necessarily be for this budget

[17:22] if anything brought back would just be

[17:23] used in house because now it exists here

[17:26] and I think we probably have enough

[17:27] projects to be able to spend it on so my

[17:30] understanding was not we were trying to

[17:31] get it to do anything with this budget

[17:33] but that we would be able to have it in

[17:35] our you know because if the city has in

[17:38] you know in our fund then we still have

[17:40] two years spending on projects that was

[17:42] my understanding that we this wasn't

[17:43] necessarily to balance this budget

[17:46] because this well this budget's already

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[17:51] balanced correct that would be my

[17:53] position

[17:55] also in some of those

[18:00] you know their organizations have good

[18:02] intent and it may be that uh I'll use

[18:06] bcni or habitat hypothetically without

[18:10] referencing them specifically they have

[18:13] mapped

[18:14] out broader

[18:16] scenarios it might be that habitat can't

[18:20] do all the houses or bcni so they might

[18:23] be able to do one or two so it might be

[18:28] submitted to councils not take all the

[18:30] money back but take a portion back that

[18:32] they're not going to be able to use and

[18:34] then to look for some other criteria

[18:38] ccil president's pointed out that would

[18:41] uh be a project within the city that we

[18:44] could do meeting the criteria

[18:46] implemented within the

[18:51] timeline be also sorry bear in mind also

[18:53] we do fund these agency through cdbg so

[18:56] it's not like a loss they always can

[18:58] funding is all always there for them to

[19:00] tap into regardless of ARA is going to

[19:03] be available through

[19:06] cdbg just because we use bcni as example

[19:09] I wanted to chime it I think um I

[19:15] said we we hold some of the

[19:17] responsibilities or not we didn't go

[19:19] forth with um closing of those

[19:21] properties the titles weren't clear so

[19:24] that's part of the hold up why they

[19:26] couldn't move forward with the project

[19:28] as well so I think that should be taken

[19:31] into consideration we think if we're

[19:33] going to recapture the part that we

[19:35] played as a city too because those

[19:38] projects were dedicated that money

[19:40] funding in the resolution is dedicated

[19:43] to be used for certain city owned

[19:46] properties we laid that out in a

[19:51] resolution I was I was just kind of to

[19:53] your point around like agencies that

[19:55] we've been um historically funded I also

[19:58] what want those agencies to presume that

[20:01] we would continue to um fund them

[20:04] because of s we've done it through the

[20:05] community block grant money I think just

[20:08] one thing that I think is important is

[20:09] that we look at you know a more continue

[20:13] to work towards a more Equitable

[20:15] resource allocation plan and I think so

[20:17] sometimes some of those uh agencies that

[20:21] we have funded for historically over a

[20:23] period of time can grow almost dependent

[20:26] on that and that's not really a

[20:27] sustainable model it's just that they

[20:29] should be made

[20:40] aware so so really the only four that we

[20:44] need to I mean the only four that are

[20:48] part of this 2025 budget

[20:51] then are well there were there were four

[20:55] that the finance department recommended

[20:57] that we take the money back and that is

[21:00] the Carver the Riverside Park the

[21:02] sidewalk program and the Empowerment

[21:04] Center so really it's wonderful I would

[21:07] you know we all wanted to see you here

[21:08] tonight because we had questions but in

[21:10] terms of our you know finishing our

[21:12] budget negotiations um we can we have

[21:15] time in other words to think about the

[21:17] rest of these ARA projects besides those

[21:19] four is what I'm hearing if we can't use

[21:22] this money um except for those four

[21:24] projects then we can kind of table this

[21:28] correct cor I just wanted to make sure I

[21:30] was understanding you guys saying that's

[21:32] what a thinking thinking is about here

[21:34] because um there's certain speculation

[21:36] but like say for example if we have the

[21:40] full funding from bcna and sorry to use

[21:42] the name not nothing against you

[21:46] BC would they qualify for CBG funding

[21:49] for this specific project under this $1

[21:52] million or

[21:54] home funding okay which they get get

[21:57] funding but they never they never the

[22:00] amount that arpa gave is much larger

[22:03] than you know annual allocation would

[22:06] give them to the arpa funding allows

[22:08] them more cap more funding to do more

[22:11] bigger projects than what they would be

[22:13] able to do with our annual allocation go

[22:16] ahead please and and in addition to that

[22:18] you said that we've played a role in it

[22:20] them doing that and just we need to

[22:23] think about what bcni does and how they

[22:25] you know provide affordable housing and

[22:27] all of that so if if if they they hold

[22:30] up with us and they're still able to

[22:32] complete their project within a couple

[22:33] years um I don't know that to me taking

[22:37] their money back does not would not

[22:40] benefit them it would benefit residents

[22:42] of the city hous that's a you know

[22:45] housing crisis is one of the things that

[22:47] we are facing for people in certain

[22:48] income categories so well I I don't

[22:51] think you want to take back but if

[22:53] they're if they're not coming up or

[22:55] stepping up to par to provide whatever

[22:57] is needed then we don't want to lose

[22:59] that funding I mean our well it's not

[23:03] our fa but we we don't want to be in the

[23:05] same Bo of losing it by trying to work

[23:07] with them all the way to the end of 31st

[23:09] of December and it dropped right there

[23:11] and we lost it that's not what she said

[23:13] that she I'm just making a statement I

[23:15] know but I'm just making you know

[23:18] speaking out loud and we don't want that

[23:20] to to ever happen I think the infi

[23:23] project will happen the one that I had

[23:25] the concern was was the million dollars

[23:28] on occupy rehab funding there was

[23:31] changes in leadership one there there

[23:34] was some capacity changes and they have

[23:37] other funding that we've given them that

[23:39] they haven't spent down yet so that's

[23:41] why the million is a concern for me

[23:43] because the other funding is still on

[23:45] the table they're currently right now

[23:47] requesting extensions on cdbg funding so

[23:51] that's why the

[23:53] million for the record that's why it's a

[23:55] concern because we have other funding

[23:57] that all to them that they have

[23:59] struggled with spinning down yeah and

[24:02] exactly that's the one I'm talking about

[24:03] the other $500,000 is pretty much a done

[24:06] They just got to process all milon it's

[24:09] a million

[24:13] dollar and go ahead I couldn't uh

[24:17] remember when I know that um we've given

[24:20] extensions to the Carver project but I

[24:23] actually thought that the last extension

[24:26] expired on September 30th but I haven't

[24:27] been able to get answer about that I

[24:29] don't think that we gave well the Carver

[24:31] because the co-op came on we never

[24:33] presented give give them a gave them a

[24:37] time I thought that we had a contingency

[24:39] on the funding that they had to raise

[24:42] never we never reallocate the money we we made an amendment they they

[24:46] brought back the property to us can we

[24:48] send the property back to us call up and

[24:50] quick for yes no car car Community

[24:56] yes oh the

[25:01] they never came back to us with their um

[25:03] their plan and then we never moveed

[25:05] forward to reallocate the money to them

[25:07] so that money was there in back into

[25:10] our without being realita

[25:15] to I don't understand what your point is

[25:18] um I thought that we had a contingency

[25:20] on that money and I thought that thaty a

[25:23] long time that was that was with

[25:25] car previous organization but not with

[25:29] the court the previous organizations

[25:31] didn't meet the criteria so the money

[25:32] came back into the City and the new uh form organization we we never

[25:38] reallocated that money to them okay so

[25:41] worry about that so that was sitting

[25:43] there and the gotcha I am I I understand

[25:46] now I don't know why I thought we

[25:48] still we had them here and we had

[25:50] conversations with them and we implied

[25:53] that that money was available to that

[25:54] particular group but as they were

[25:57] supposed to they were supposed to come

[25:59] back to us they supposed to come back

[26:00] and provide a list of things that I

[26:04] don't know how much was ever since but

[26:06] that never just came didn't come back to

[26:08] the council gotcha and it's very

[26:09] unfortunate because project that you

[26:12] know would have been very beneficial but

[26:15] we now we're at this point

[26:28] I look at the face no I just I think

[26:32] it's more question and answer yeah yeah

[26:34] this is developing into more questions

[26:37] and answer yeah all right any other

[26:39] question from

[26:40] [Music]

[26:42] Miss see none thank you so much time

[26:46] app you going to email that

[26:49] um talk to us yes remind

[26:54] me I'm just

[26:56] Jing I'm just joking

[27:01] [Music]

[27:15] I so we have we have some work to do on

[27:18] [Music]

[27:19] the serious

[27:21] [Music]

[27:23] work um we had some items from last

[27:28] evening that we asked for you to BR okay

[27:32] do you want to go through that and then

[27:34] I will

[27:41] talk can can you go to your list from

[27:44] yesterday

[27:46] please what can you go through your list

[27:49] from yesterday what do you mean

[27:52] my okay uh yes you ask me to bring

[27:56] back uh that $10,000 donation was yes

[28:00] sir I got that pass

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[28:09] out and what happened was that the

[28:13] 10,000 did come in and it went right

[28:15] into the code a31

[28:19] 2402b

[28:21] so so what they did is you can see I try

[28:25] to dark line it where the where the

[28:26] credit came in they credited the the

[28:31] expenditure side of it so uh they really

[28:34] spent

[28:36] $133,000 because that what they did is

[28:39] that by putting the credit into that

[28:41] expenditure account it raised the

[28:44] balance by $10 more and the reason why

[28:47] that the chief wanted to do that is

[28:48] because he wanted to use that money

[28:51] directly he didn't want us to put a

[28:52] revenue and like not increase the budget

[28:54] you know what I mean so it was for him

[28:56] his way to like make sure that he got it

[28:58] into that

[29:04] budget you guys see that yes uh another

[29:08] thing you asked for was the copy of so

[29:11] far what we have for

[29:13] changes is you guys requested

[29:17] yes so I have changes on the general

[29:21] fund revenues and expenses the second

[29:23] page is uh capital projects changes and

[29:27] the third is water fund with

[29:29] the revenue that

[29:50] [Music]

[30:02] so you want to talk about those first

[30:04] the

[30:05] changes yes go ahead okay so the first

[30:08] very first one is uh what we did the

[30:10] very first day was to move $5,000 from

[30:14] the depy registar into the uh City Court

[30:18] salary so what we what we're doing we

[30:21] subtracted the 5,000 from um the deputy

[30:25] registar salary brought up to 47 ,000

[30:28] added it to the city clerk salary and

[30:31] she went from 83 to

[30:32] 88 then the S we took that out because

[30:36] uh that's where we had the stien for

[30:40] 5,000 plus 3,000 so we took the 5,000

[30:43] out of there we reduced the appropriate

[30:45] fund balance by that 5,000 and so

[30:47] there's 3,000 left for the city clerk

[30:50] right the second one is the city City

[30:54] Senior Center Program uh you ask not to

[30:57] use the police overtime so what we did

[30:59] is we increased the senior program by

[31:02] 60,000 and we're reducing the

[31:04] contingency by the

[31:06] 60,000 so there's no change in the

[31:08] budget at all uh we had a MOA for

[31:12] autograde for uh uh one of the record

[31:17] access courts in in law depart for csca

[31:21] uh that the sea demanded that we put in

[31:25] the budget and so until until there's

[31:28] actual actual U negotiations complete

[31:32] we'll be doing it we'll put it out of

[31:34] grade until uh until the contract is

[31:37] complete and again we're using uh taking

[31:39] that out of judgment and claims uh

[31:42] because as reference with the uh water

[31:45] department uh the last one was the

[31:48] 20,000 for Public Safety Foundation you

[31:50] wanted to put the 20,000 back in so we

[31:53] went from 5 to 25,000 and again we're

[31:55] taking another 20 out of uh so there is

[31:58] no uh budget changes the proposed

[32:01] changes is equal 5,000 in the revenue

[32:05] side and 5,000 on the uh expense side so

[32:09] it's

[32:10] equal uh the second phas is capital

[32:13] funding um we're moving uh Utilities in

[32:16] it we taking to 200,000 uh and uh we're

[32:22] as we're taking 140,000 out of 200an say

[32:26] the servers are okay as you remember you

[32:28] said and the 60,000 is to upgrade all

[32:31] the computers as Mr van asked thank you

[32:34] for it's a reduction of 140,000 under

[32:38] golf that's a reduction of 140,000

[32:42] yes

[32:44] uh so we're going from 200,000 to 60,000

[32:48] for utilities yes because the the theet

[32:52] said that the servers were good and then

[32:55] Mr you actually purchased them this year

[32:58] oh got yeah and Mr wanted him to update

[33:03] all the computers instead of waiting so he requested originally and the

[33:07] budget was 200,000 again but he said

[33:09] we're go with that and so he he only

[33:12] needed the 60,000 for the

[33:14] upgrades okay okay so that just reduced

[33:17] Capital yeah got it go

[33:20] ahead wrong the mayor or um B said that

[33:25] if they purchased the computers they

[33:26] wouldn't potentially be able to get to

[33:27] all next

[33:28] year not in a couple months but they will they will work on them in into

[33:33] until next year make sure that they get

[33:35] it done for the 12 month duration but

[33:38] not like two or three months to get all

[33:40] done it will take

[33:42] time thank you okay uh we're going to

[33:44] the golf course this is all other

[33:46] Capital reserves sweeper originally uh

[33:50] Mr W was yeah 15,000 but it was actually

[33:54] 45,000 so we had to increase that by

[33:57] 30,000

[33:58] but again the grass mow which he had

[34:00] budgeted for 150,000 is actually only

[34:03] 50,000 so we're subtracting the 100,000

[34:05] out of that and the utility C which he

[34:08] had is 18,000 it's actually

[34:10] 23,000 so we're adding 5,000 on that uh

[34:15] and then uh uh the Water Department as

[34:18] we mentioned we're adding water

[34:20] infrastructure for the CR Main Street

[34:23] for a million dollar and we're

[34:24] decreasing a million dollar for the bar

[34:26] streen design the swore by million

[34:28] dollar so total capital u total Capital

[34:32] funds are going down by

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[34:38] $25,000 next one is uh third third one

[34:42] stage is water fund U the water rental

[34:45] we're making a change from

[34:47] 5,000 revenues they decreasing that by

[34:50] 5,000 so new budget will be zero and so

[34:53] we're taking that 5,000 out of light p

[34:55] and gas from from 9 9

[34:58] 5,500 to

[35:00] 98,500 that way we don't have to deal

[35:03] with appropriate fun balance or anything

[35:05] so makes it makes it a c

[35:09] sweet so those are those are the changes

[35:11] so far I mean nothing is uh

[35:14] [Music]

[35:17] guarante thank thank you for for pushing

[35:20] these ches for

[35:22] [Music]

[35:26] providing what our contingency

[35:29] today B chance you have

[35:34] [Music]

[35:41] your it yes you have you have

[35:45] your here I'll let

[35:49] you we are currently

[35:52] 199y um this is uh for period of end of

[35:57] September 24$

[36:00] 33156 I'm sorry could you say that more

[36:02] slowly please

[36:04] 3316 thank

[36:07] you that's what we

[36:09] SP and we're bringing this down to

[36:12] [Music]

[36:14] 220,000 no

[36:17] fires Marina was going to teach people

[36:20] not have

[36:25] fires have a fire just having ins

[36:30] right like said if you got to cut

[36:32] something we got to take away in one we

[36:34] got to take away

[36:36] something if you want something you got

[36:37] to take away from some else to me that

[36:40] seems one what I heard any other

[36:42] departments any question on on these um

[36:45] changes as of

[36:54] now any other there were

[36:59] more from last

[37:04] evening the salary list did you want to

[37:07] do the salary

[37:10] list I have I thought see I didn't make

[37:13] a lot of notes last night those I was

[37:15] looking at I saw you notes I think that

[37:18] was all the gas that was

[37:24] all what was the Sal list we're talking

[37:26] about

[37:29] gave that last night yeah you did that

[37:30] last

[37:37] night anyone has question on the salary

[37:43] list I think yeah I was going to touch

[37:46] in your um your questions now if nobody

[37:49] else has anything we'll just go straight

[37:51] into

[37:53] your in your documents today there is a

[38:00] [Music]

[38:02] page set a document reive today we have

[38:04] a page here a list of

[38:08] um

[38:16] questions that you're talking about yes

[38:18] we that yesterday unless there was

[38:20] anything we can address we'll address

[38:22] them okay and then the papers that we

[38:25] got today they were some questions and

[38:28] it I did print the question and attach

[38:29] it to the back

[38:34] [Music]

[38:38] up so should we take a minute to read

[38:40] through the paperwork yes go ahead we

[38:42] just started go ahead then we'll go

[38:44] through each of the U the

[38:47] questions we didn't get chance to answer

[38:49] all of them we get

[38:52] [Music]

[39:03] can you make a copy for

[39:05] the

[39:07] [Music]

[39:20] please this is just a question there's

[39:23] no answer right yeah no I think if you

[39:25] look at some of the backups here there

[39:26] were like to U Got answer the rest we'll

[39:31] just go through them

[39:34] maybe can address them or we'll

[39:38] just if not we'll just have to wait so

[39:42] we'll just go through them all right

[39:43] yeah we'll go through them whatever can

[39:44] answer today we'll answer if not we'll

[39:46] have to RIS it tomorrow

[39:54] [Music]

[40:15] Wonder

[40:34] [Music]

[40:36] if you turn to the same package that we

[40:38] received today there's a question

[40:53] [Music]

[41:05] so under revenue and it's I think it's a

[41:08] 2130

[41:10] F excessive

[41:13] um W collection fee so we we have a

[41:17] revenue in it against that but

[41:22] um

[41:24] 21 2130 21

[41:31] 130 so you will see that there's a

[41:33] $500,000

[41:35] there so aside for that Revenue

[41:39] L what page was that in R page

[41:43] Revenue

[41:45] page two almost to the bottom a 213 have

[41:51] oh I got

[41:54] it so committee people set up and um and

[41:59] review this over time um we need to act

[42:02] on it to move forward with to because

[42:05] it's there in budget so next Monday you

[42:08] will see an agenda item for us to

[42:11] discuss and move forward with um with

[42:14] this um program in terms of the Fe

[42:16] structure for um for this um

[42:23] line just a 213f the rest of we

[42:27] [Music]

[42:34] are we getting a policy or any documents

[42:36] or presentation yes there will be

[42:39] documents will be in the package for

[42:41] tomorrow and presentation may just want

[42:47] to any discussions with that

[42:50] [Music]

[42:54] apprciate I know your part you want to

[42:56] stand about

[42:59] it some of

[43:02] [Music]

[43:04] us was going to ask and we've decided or

[43:08] yes I I think the the the team decided

[43:11] to move forward with it on this point

[43:13] time and they can do a presentation on

[43:15] Monday and so call for a public hearing

[43:17] on the proposed

[43:20] uh I've kind of heard what you've heard

[43:23] which um I don't think we as far as I

[43:26] was in about there was nothing

[43:28] definitely put forward um I've heard

[43:30] what Mr lefant had to say at the meeting

[43:33] here I haven't been to one of the

[43:35] neighborhood meetings where he's for

[43:36] present um looking forward to the

[43:39] presentation um there were multiple

[43:41] things that we discussed a lot of

[43:45] different no I just want I just want to

[43:47] brief you on that because more more will

[43:49] be discussed Monday at the uh committee

[43:51] meeting but I just want to that' because

[43:54] um we have it in Revenue but we need to

[43:56] activate to to review it to make amend

[44:00] as possible how much we can and to um

[44:02] call for the public hearing and move

[44:03] forward so that we can adopt this until

[44:05] next year because it's in the

[44:07] budget so does that hold up the approval

[44:10] of the budget until we have the public

[44:12] hearing

[44:14] no but we just you know putting

[44:16] everything in line to make it happen

[44:20] it's the C it's on a council allow to

[44:21] act on it do we move forward what is

[44:24] recommended do we make changes it's up

[44:26] to us and us as a council we've really

[44:28] done

[44:29] nothing well I would't say that so

[44:34] low I say that so L because the

[44:36] committee was fored there was no

[44:38] recommendation from the committee to us

[44:40] until we um Anthony I been discussing it

[44:43] in terms of Revenue in terms of all

[44:46] these things we need to put them in

[44:47] place it's not in place what do we need

[44:49] to do we need to act and that's how this

[44:52] is coming forward so I think um it's not

[44:55] a blame game it's about some everybody

[44:57] has thing to do and um the committee

[44:59] worked really hard we have to give them

[45:01] credit we did and we now have to do our work so like we clean it

[45:08] up and move forward with

[45:11] in so Mr if it's already in the budget

[45:14] and this is not going to impact this

[45:16] budget so where is the 500 is that

[45:18] coming out of the fund balance right now

[45:20] what's how it's reflect in the budget I

[45:22] propose these changes would go forward

[45:24] to create a revenue stream that would

[45:26] equal

[45:28] $500,000 so right now but you just said

[45:31] that it wasn't in the budget so right

[45:33] now it's in the budget the budget is

[45:34] balanced so where is it where you

[45:36] presented it coming from at this moment

[45:38] it's balanced with an anticipation the

[45:40] way it comes antip yes we going to adopt

[45:43] this change and move forward so the

[45:46] finance because we are in a finance

[45:48] committee meeting we can't um because we

[45:51] have to have a public hearing about

[45:53] these changes we can't just okay so

[45:56] that's a timing that's a timing so we

[45:58] need to get this done before for of

[46:01] January I don't see how can we vote on

[46:03] the budget I guess I'm not really

[46:05] understanding how we can vote on this

[46:07] budget these figures we talked about it

[46:09] as it moveed forward we now looking to

[46:11] move it

[46:12] forward proposal that making changes in

[46:15] the code would generate

[46:17] $500,000 in revenues to go after those

[46:20] individuals that drive up the cost and

[46:25] increase our expenses

[46:28] if the council chose not to move forward

[46:31] in that I am very confident that I can

[46:33] generate $500,000 in Revenue with the

[46:36] current code it'll it'll require okay

[46:39] some reallocation of police uh use the

[46:43] snap Cruise other ones but nobody's

[46:46] garbage is in compliance so we'll do is

[46:48] we would site every house for

[46:50] $50 because the code is just out of date

[46:54] and it has not been changed and

[46:57] very easy to generate half million doll

[47:00] this would affect the budget because

[47:01] look at the police fees look at code Enforcement we budgeted for

[47:06] anticipated fee increase and revenue

[47:09] from various Department that will get

[47:12] implemented next year so we are just

[47:14] projecting ahead that this is going to

[47:16] happen next year so this is one of them

[47:19] okay unfortunately it's it's a little

[47:21] late but it's not too late for us to

[47:23] review and make our recommendation and

[47:26] follow because we need to adopt

[47:29] it and and not you know I know we're in

[47:32] finance but I think it's very important

[47:34] and imperative that we do this again as

[47:37] the mayor States our code is so outdated

[47:40] um it's in our code that that no bu

[47:41] guids are in there we all know we throw

[47:43] bulk items out so

[47:46] to to generate the $500,000 I think is

[47:50] feasible for this year's coming budget

[47:57] I'm just saying from my perspective it's

[47:59] presumptuous to assume that it's going

[48:02] to continue through with no additional

[48:04] hitches as we've already received an

[48:07] email from an individual speaking to how

[48:09] it's going to be implemented so I can

[48:12] understand the uh practicality and I

[48:14] appreciate the additional reassurances

[48:17] that regardless of how this proceeds the

[48:20] May was confident that he'll be able to

[48:22] recoup those funds which I think is a

[48:23] reassurance at least for me but duting

[48:25] with the STS to work that the committee

[48:27] has been doing there's an important

[48:29] segment that still needs to be done

[48:30] which is hearing from the community and

[48:32] also we haven't talked about again the

[48:34] email we received and how this is going

[48:36] to impact those individuals on the

[48:38] ground so the what would come forward

[48:40] Monday is a series of proposals still

[48:43] the discretion of the city council to

[48:46] modify those in a number of ways and

[48:51] again the goal is to some efficiency

[48:54] into the system and cover our current

[48:58] operating

[49:05] cost the O commissioner um will be will

[49:09] be at Monday's meeting to present this

[49:12] and you know we are sure to ask

[49:16] questions and so make

[49:18] changes yeah would we just be able to

[49:22] add that to projected revenue for this

[49:24] budget though it's already it's in there that's why it's like all the other agency like us police

[49:34] increase the code enforcement fee

[49:36] increase is already in there we just

[49:38] going through the process of calling the

[49:39] public hearing getting it done and

[49:41] adopting that resolution or ordinance

[49:44] and just okay do the pr portion of it

[49:47] and let people know that these things

[49:49] are out there and U defective things

[49:52] right what we're saying is that whether

[49:54] this moves forward or not out of that

[49:55] same department will be able to recoup

[49:57] the money based on the way things are

[49:59] existing right now if there were no

[50:01] changes

[50:02] that's yes it will be as Z impa

[50:05] regardless yeah but if if we implemented

[50:07] this and it's

[50:09] sucessful puts a lot of pressure on the

[50:11] city council to make quick

[50:15] changes literally every house is going

[50:18] to get sighted so yes everybody is not

[50:22] in compliance with regards to city code

[50:24] in terms of do we want to do that no so

[50:26] let's ask and you know bring bring some

[50:28] things into in line yeah I'm totally

[50:30] fine with this the pr segment is going

[50:33] to be out there to kind of notify people

[50:35] of these um

[50:36] [Music]

[50:38] changes so we'll have more I just want

[50:40] to bring that up to the council because

[50:41] it's part of the budget and as to you

[50:44] know not mention it because as I

[50:47] promised um last year budget is to look

[50:49] at all the fees and that's what I'm

[50:51] doing working with department head

[50:53] working with Finance working with the

[50:55] man to make sure that we bring all these

[50:57] Fe in line with today's um service the

[51:01] cost of

[51:03] service and know those are all the

[51:05] components unfortunately I wasn't on

[51:07] that committee but um you know as the

[51:09] finance chair I have to drive it to make

[51:11] sure that we we do not have hold in the

[51:17] budget and I'm sure that we're not going

[51:19] to uh Le use this as a process to

[51:22] leverage action from the city council

[51:24] I'm sure that the mayor is not saying

[51:26] that

[51:28] okay

[51:31] ni so

[51:34] no that's nice all right well we'll have

[51:39] more detail on that next Monday let's go

[51:41] through um the question you should have

[51:43] a shate Mr Williams um questions so

[51:47] we'll um we'll just go through each one

[51:50] and um if Mr Ferrari can answer if not

[51:53] far and come back tomorrow and and get

[51:57] the answer um for Mr Williams

[52:03] tomorrow um the first one is um a

[52:07] 8686 director of

[52:11] development 10% increase 24

[52:17] Sal um 10% increase with increase your

[52:21] salary from the May's proposed budget of

[52:24] 88,000 to 93,000

[52:27] 991

[52:31] 93,9

[52:35] 991 and just a reminder let let's um

[52:38] avoid any name attached to this let's

[52:40] deal with the um the

[52:52] position the next one is um a 8686

[52:56] zoning officer zoning officer at the

[52:59] mayor's proposed 2025 budget is uh at

[53:03] proposed salary at

[53:05] 66,800

[53:07] U and with the

[53:09] 657 it would go to

[53:14] 67,500 oh that's already written here

[53:18] y the next is a 8687 homes coordinator under the mayor's

[53:24] proposed budget his salary would be $

[53:27] 69,8

[53:29] 21 with the proposed for Mr Williams

[53:32] $179 to

[53:37] 7,000 that's even

[53:40] yeah again I think on this sheet that

[53:42] you

[53:45] just and then the next one is a410 City

[53:49] Park C cler under the mayor's proposed

[53:52] budget is

[53:54] $83,200 with 10 % increase it would go

[53:58] to

[54:00] 88,89 plus the

[54:03] $5,000 register would come to

[54:08] 93,94

[54:10] 938

[54:12] 93892 thank

[54:19] you and then the next question is the

[54:22] commissioner Finance recommend um may

[54:24] your discretionary fund to address

[54:25] future qualify applicant Deputy

[54:28] Commissioner Finance additional

[54:31] 15% I thought that that was just the way

[54:34] in which it was presented if we're

[54:35] trying to just have an adjustable means

[54:37] to respond to candidates the way it's

[54:40] been presented previously was that would

[54:41] be an appropriate

[54:45] use I didn't think I put

[54:50] anything what's this yeah I had a

[54:53] question on that and

[54:59] [Music]

[55:02] 15,000,000

[55:05] that's that's not for a salary that's

[55:07] for discretion for his travel the keys

[55:11] to the city all the other stuff so

[55:15] commissioner isn't that what we had to

[55:17] call it for for

[55:19] discretionary AR we had the AR we took

[55:22] it out put it out last year for for

[55:24] salaries so when I looked at it 10,000 I

[55:26] thought that was

[55:27] it yes so there's

[55:33] no

[55:36] [Music]

[55:49] 15,000,000

[55:52] take it

[55:54] out 95

[55:56] 958 49 4958 page of 18 in the

[56:02] book as you recall what happened tried

[56:05] to use it uh The Corporation Council T

[56:09] he can only use for his

[56:12] own St own Bureau and not for others so

[56:15] that's why we moved it into

[56:17] undistributed so we can move it for

[56:19] other people and then they we just took

[56:21] it away we just Tak zero yeah it's why

[56:23] some people AR employed by the city

[56:28] but if I can recall our conversations

[56:30] last year funds no everybody works for

[56:35] this let's let's not do that yeah sorry

[56:37] I thought let's let's um let's stay Focus go ahead please um

[56:43] Mr if I can recall from last year I I

[56:46] can remember that conversation but I

[56:48] thought we switched our Focus to saying

[56:50] that the mayor could use that

[56:52] discretionary fund line to achieve those

[56:54] same needs yes that's why it was move to

[56:56] this I remember I

[56:58] was

[57:00] away oh it's still

[57:03] funed no the discretionary fund is so

[57:06] that discre is not for there's

[57:09] [Music]

[57:12] no $1,000 in this year's budget but

[57:15] mostly mostly that

[57:17] 10,000 pla things for the city the

[57:20] proclamations all stuff that's

[57:23] what and there was 13,000

[57:27] in expense in 2023 yeah it was it was

[57:33] yeah was never able to I mean

[57:36] discretion well I will say reimbursed on

[57:39] something there

[57:42] so had to try to use that it didn't work

[57:45] out individual

[57:51] I yeah what is your take CS would like to

[57:57] see what

[57:58] 15% or

[58:00] something are some funding there yeah I

[58:04] totally got of that because I I looked

[58:06] at the the M discretionary M

[58:10] discretionary and that's

[58:12] $10,000 there still for that great and I

[58:15] say of the uses that are primarily used

[58:18] from Mr Ferrari that

[58:20] sign be 8 121 450 so I think with it

[58:26] being entitled discretionary I don't

[58:27] think we need to ask for an assessment

[58:29] of what's using those funds but again

[58:30] from last year I thought an appropriate

[58:33] use was in these instances similar to

[58:36] one that we're discussing right now with

[58:38] adjusting line so that's why I

[58:40] recommended it so so can I just ask

[58:43] question so are you saying that in your

[58:47] email today are you recommending that

[58:50] the mayor's discretionary fund is used

[58:54] to increase the of the commissioner

[58:57] Finance because that's the way I'm

[58:58] reading this in your email we're having

[59:00] this discussion because there is a

[59:03] potential that it is not going to be

[59:05] inappropriate uh the salary will not be

[59:08] enough to entice people to apply to that

[59:10] line I get we're not even in that

[59:12] situation yet so my response is if we

[59:14] are then in that position using an

[59:17] already allocated fund the discretionary

[59:20] fund to fill that

[59:22] cap so we would take we would take 314

[59:27] from the 10,000 and leave the rest of it

[59:30] for the mayor's discretionary fund is

[59:31] what you're recommending I'm just trying

[59:33] to clarify yeah no which would be less

[59:35] than what's currently allocated to that

[59:37] line so

[59:38] yes if we needed it except that what

[59:40] would we do to make up the rest of the

[59:42] expense like I'm saying last year

[59:44] $113,000 was spent on that line in as

[59:47] the mayor's discretionary fund so we

[59:50] would we would just have to figure out

[59:51] where would the rest of discretionary

[59:53] funds come if we were to use

[59:55] discretionary funding to increase the

[59:57] salary of the commissioner Finance I

[59:59] just want to clarify just but again we

[1:00:00] don't know if we'll need it so again

[1:00:02] we're talking about a

[1:00:03] hypothetical and then also the mayor's

[1:00:05] discretionary fund is year year to

[1:00:10] year are you could no I'm not confused

[1:00:13] at all I just want to ask the question

[1:00:14] what's it been used on has it did you

[1:00:16] use some of this was some of the

[1:00:18] discretionary For Hire or was it all for

[1:00:21] number um I want to know how so is it

[1:00:25] all for um

[1:00:26] giving out keys to the city and those

[1:00:28] kind of things cor none of it was used

[1:00:30] for salaries none of it was used to

[1:00:32] entice someone else

[1:00:34] to and most times if that situation

[1:00:39] occurs a position is vacant for a period

[1:00:42] of time so the council I use $10,000 as

[1:00:47] an

[1:00:47] example if well use 12,000 it's easier

[1:00:51] for the

[1:00:52] math if

[1:00:57] uh the position is

[1:01:00] open council's authorized

[1:01:03] $112,000 I haven't been able to hire

[1:01:05] somebody for two months I can actually

[1:01:09] pay them on an annual rate of

[1:01:12] $4,000 for the remainder of the year and

[1:01:16] then where that has occurred then I

[1:01:17] would come back to the council in the

[1:01:19] next budget and say we've hired so and

[1:01:21] so we had to pay a little bit more for

[1:01:24] it and make make the budget in the next

[1:01:27] year reflect what the actual salary

[1:01:30] is what's going I'm

[1:01:35] sorry that's the uh take back

[1:01:40] the that's right okay they didn't get a

[1:01:43] noise perm

[1:01:47] though come

[1:01:50] on

[1:01:52] so what what was it take away at this

[1:01:55] I'm just trying to get a number towards

[1:01:57] this line so we're looking like to 50 oh

[1:02:01] there is no discretionary line at this

[1:02:03] point in

[1:02:04] time sounds like it sounds like the

[1:02:07] council already has the prerogative and

[1:02:08] the mayor already has the ability to

[1:02:11] authorize that additional and it's a new

[1:02:14] Point there's all there most of the time

[1:02:17] there funding available in is L that now

[1:02:20] said they shift like or I come back to

[1:02:23] the city council and say I've got to

[1:02:26] hire somebody and I

[1:02:31] need 10,000

[1:02:34] bucks

[1:02:35] mhm we have done that in the past many

[1:02:38] times budget re

[1:02:41] appropriation and the line was not

[1:02:43] technically overspent last year that

[1:02:46] was

[1:02:48] uh Jamaican power system asked me to go

[1:02:52] to Jamaica as part of the Smart City

[1:02:54] conference

[1:02:56] [Music]

[1:02:57] and I paid for it from the city and then

[1:03:00] they reimbursed the city for that

[1:03:04] expense so it looks like we overspent

[1:03:07] the line but in fact there's more

[1:03:09] Revenue coming in to offset those

[1:03:11] expenses that happed in past years where

[1:03:15] myself and John kucho N National

[1:03:18] Institute is technology was a routine

[1:03:21] speaker at some of their

[1:03:23] events they would pay my expens to

[1:03:27] go despite all of that I mean what is

[1:03:31] the do we want to put back down I'll put

[1:03:34] back for you want to put $15,000 to the

[1:03:37] plan $20,000 to the plan and half day

[1:03:39] available to the man you mean the

[1:03:41] recruitment line not the discretionary

[1:03:47] yeah and that would be yes the May

[1:03:50] recruitment f

[1:03:55] table because the question asked I'm

[1:03:57] okay not adding that back in again I

[1:03:59] don't think we need to do anything

[1:04:04] okay so you suggesting leing the salary

[1:04:07] with just a 3% and then when somebody

[1:04:09] else is higher than a comes back to

[1:04:12] it yes it's going to be

[1:04:14] clear so that's the

[1:04:22] commiss the next one is um a 2120

[1:04:26] -200 and

[1:04:31] 203 one more time

[1:04:34] 8312 oh that's for

[1:04:37] uh uh Alliance the

[1:04:41] police

[1:04:42] 831 uh that's for receiving the grants

[1:04:45] yeah yes so you should have you should

[1:04:47] have a document a answer to that

[1:04:51] question back up Mr skipped over the

[1:04:54] deputy position

[1:04:56] at the bottom did I

[1:04:59] yes sorry let's go back up sorry okay

[1:05:04] Deputy Commissioner

[1:05:06] Finance additional

[1:05:11] 15% okay the mayor's uh proposed budget

[1:05:15] was

[1:05:17] 120,000 and at 15% of the 24 salary come

[1:05:21] to

[1:05:22] 92,000 Ethan

[1:05:25] I

[1:05:29] correct um so so then I know you've

[1:05:33] talked about a lot someone just going to

[1:05:34] say that loud so when then when you

[1:05:37] retire the assumption would be that the

[1:05:40] current Deputy would move up and would

[1:05:43] they come in at that

[1:05:47] salary since I know that when we hire

[1:05:50] people that are you know aren't

[1:05:52] employees that they may come in a lower

[1:05:54] salary but if it's an existing employee

[1:05:56] would you bring them in the same salary

[1:05:58] as the employee that's leaving and

[1:06:01] haven't been in that

[1:06:03] department don't have a position on that

[1:06:05] it's when the situation actually

[1:06:07] occurs evaluate it take it

[1:06:16] appropriate should you're not going be

[1:06:18] able to get anybody at a

[1:06:21] 133,000 the truth

[1:06:26] you're

[1:06:28] not well again but for the Deputy

[1:06:30] Commissioner I mean I guess I would say

[1:06:32] that we're not going to get anybody for

[1:06:34] 824 or 92 I don't know but I'm just

[1:06:36] saying um is that what you're saying yes

[1:06:39] that's that's why we propose that

[1:06:44] have because you know you know being the

[1:06:48] commissioner Director of Finance is not

[1:06:50] it's a very difficult job you know and

[1:06:53] uh I you trade together for a while but

[1:06:56] he does need a backup it's somebody

[1:06:58] who's who's capable capable of helping

[1:07:02] him and call forward

[1:07:05] too so Mr Williams's um suggestion is

[1:07:09] sort of in the

[1:07:10] middle of those two

[1:07:17] figures I would say the minimum for

[1:07:19] Deputy Commissioner has to be at least

[1:07:21] 100,000

[1:07:28] sorry sorry who Mar oh

[1:07:33] Mar 120,000 is what we've thought 100 I

[1:07:36] think the minimum you could go for

[1:07:39] 100,000 I'm just going to get something

[1:07:42] experience is D in this room

[1:07:47] yes we got send

[1:07:52] D all right I would say hearing that we

[1:07:55] were able to readjust the money that was

[1:07:58] originally appropriated to the Deputy

[1:08:00] Commissioner Finance I I would be an

[1:08:03] agreement with that say that say that

[1:08:06] again $100,000 so if the original ask

[1:08:08] was for an additional 32,000 37,000 if

[1:08:11] we can take into consideration all of

[1:08:13] the management raises these risk

[1:08:14] recommendations if it was still able to

[1:08:16] be captured without any additional

[1:08:19] movement within the budget I would be

[1:08:22] responsive to the $100,000 that the

[1:08:24] commissioner just

[1:08:31] is somebody making notes on on that side

[1:08:35] there so so we're looking at in the dep

[1:08:39] commiss of Finance going from0 to

[1:08:41] 100 that is what suggested right on the

[1:08:44] [Music]

[1:08:46] table

[1:08:49] discussed we now have 824 92 or 100 yeah

[1:08:57] all right the next one is a

[1:09:00] a320-200 and

[1:09:03] 203 and that's the

[1:09:06] P there is an email

[1:09:10] [Music]

[1:09:24] from keep track of

[1:09:29] this so this is the answer

[1:09:34] to a

[1:09:35] [Music]

[1:09:42] 31223 it's

[1:09:46] [Music]

[1:10:04] response or you need anything additional

[1:10:08] to

[1:10:20] [Music]

[1:10:22] this okay the next one is A3

[1:10:26] 31-100 is it 100 um correct no that's

[1:10:30] not correct should be 200 200 I saw the

[1:10:32] emails

[1:10:34] back yes yes so you should have you

[1:10:37] should have an email from also all that

[1:10:40] just for

[1:10:44] that is that a Brian

[1:10:48] [Music]

[1:10:54] Canon find his response to that ion this

[1:10:58] is um a

[1:11:01] 5132 go ahead please so I was going to

[1:11:04] say it wasn't a mistake during the

[1:11:06] conversation discussion about the future

[1:11:10] so our upcoming budget year and how one

[1:11:13] of the positions was designated this

[1:11:15] year as ARA funding and the conversation

[1:11:18] was how do you propose funding this line

[1:11:21] in the future to which the respon is

[1:11:23] potential EV funding streams so my

[1:11:25] question simply was is there any ability

[1:11:28] for us to try and capture that funding

[1:11:30] for this year's budget to offset that

[1:11:32] line the answer was no but it was not a

[1:11:34] mistake on my oh sorry yeah yeah I

[1:11:35] remember you asked that question and yes

[1:11:37] that question was asked yes sorry

[1:11:44] yeah so may going forward in terms of

[1:11:47] funding revenue from the target station

[1:11:51] is that something in the future

[1:11:57] oh the some of the charging stations we

[1:12:00] have to provide free

[1:12:03] electricity other ones we're charging

[1:12:05] for but really it's at the level to

[1:12:07] cover our expenses for so it's not going

[1:12:10] to be this point a big Revenue

[1:12:18] Source yeah and I remember Brian did say

[1:12:21] that now the the DC charges station

[1:12:25] that's looking to put in

[1:12:31] on

[1:12:33] yri those had the potential generating

[1:12:37] positive

[1:12:40] Revenue the reality is the lead time for

[1:12:44] that

[1:12:45] is like 9 months so you're not going to

[1:12:49] see that installs those are half no

[1:12:52] installations

[1:12:55] 34 of the way through next

[1:13:00] year

[1:13:03] that's budget money based that that is a note for

[1:13:20] budet

[1:13:23] okay that

[1:13:26] yes the next one is a

[1:13:29] 5132

[1:13:33] d460 you know prob did not give answer

[1:13:36] back but he did call me and he asked me

[1:13:39] just you know what they mean by that

[1:13:41] exactly what it says he says that you

[1:13:44] know as of right now because our cars

[1:13:46] are so new you know they're warranted

[1:13:49] Tak to the a warranty the dealership for

[1:13:53] a warranty but he say you know they're

[1:13:55] very considerate doing this because as

[1:13:57] we are gaining more cars as we want to

[1:14:01] give staff to uh train we can't train

[1:14:03] them he says CU nobody in our staff

[1:14:05] knows about it send them you know one at

[1:14:09] a time to training you look at it's

[1:14:12] going probably be within the future he

[1:14:14] not that for

[1:14:17] 2025 it was a very good

[1:14:20] question just do you know where that

[1:14:23] train where locally do that training I I

[1:14:26] think I think uh just like how the uh

[1:14:32] the dealerships their guys get trained I

[1:14:34] think there's places where we would hon

[1:14:37] Valley has some training in that area

[1:14:41] it's an emerging market so I don't know

[1:14:44] to what

[1:14:46] degree Poli exp

[1:14:49] for that's sending people there we have

[1:14:53] Professor something come here

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[1:15:18] okay

[1:15:19] 7310 you have a question

[1:15:22] no yeah a 73 10-

[1:15:28] 41A requesting local

[1:15:31] business allowed to apply with the with

[1:15:34] the youth employment

[1:15:36] opportunity that's a youth program

[1:15:40] allocation I think it's a good idea

[1:15:43] forar will be first in line I think it's

[1:15:46] a good idea too we

[1:15:49] can the question I think is broadly

[1:15:52] discusses not only City Hall to work

[1:15:55] help dependent work BR to help with work

[1:15:58] put placement into other business it's a

[1:16:01] good

[1:16:02] idea I I like I agree with that idea um

[1:16:06] I'd also like to see us um you know

[1:16:10] increase that that line in order to ACC

[1:16:13] accompany that right um I did ask for

[1:16:15] ash we to dat but 50,000 56,000 56,000

[1:16:20] out of 150,000 so we're about 0 we don't

[1:16:24] have any outstanding um any outstanding

[1:16:26] invoices from the school

[1:16:29] district the city so that's all we spent

[1:16:31] was 50,000 56,000 out of the 150 from

[1:16:36] last

[1:16:37] year so there was there would have been

[1:16:39] an opportunity than to have young people

[1:16:42] in other places outside of City Hall um

[1:16:45] long time ago to do the program through

[1:16:48] um wellts they put young all over

[1:16:53] including like MP alties and all that

[1:16:56] but also in um private businesses and

[1:16:58] things like that so um I agree I think

[1:17:01] that's something that we could explore

[1:17:04] again go ahead please I think it's a

[1:17:06] good idea actually also um certainly I

[1:17:08] know from my pre-retirement um I would

[1:17:12] have loved to have had the opportunity

[1:17:13] to hire somebody and have somebody else

[1:17:15] pay for it no seriously no I'm just

[1:17:18] saying I mean I think it's a really good

[1:17:19] idea and then plus there's kids that

[1:17:21] there's youth that have different career

[1:17:23] interests so it really is a nice

[1:17:26] partnership with whether it's businesses

[1:17:28] whether it's nonprofits it would be a

[1:17:30] good idea in terms of what uh president

[1:17:33] Porterfield just said didn't we last

[1:17:36] year give some money to sjta to thought

[1:17:41] we did years last two

[1:17:44] years but we're not considering that

[1:17:46] this year I guess I don't 2025 I think

[1:17:49] that's what they asked to the table is

[1:17:51] toes have it plug no

[1:17:57] ask Anthony where money that went

[1:18:00] usjt we put money into the county

[1:18:03] program I don't know this year they

[1:18:06] didn't give us anything they didn't give

[1:18:09] us any

[1:18:10] bills but that's the line that that

[1:18:12] would is that the line that that would

[1:18:14] have come out of yes okay I just wanted

[1:18:17] to make sure that we're still doing

[1:18:18] that yeah the question is do we have do

[1:18:22] we have enough money and I think I asked

[1:18:26] it's back here look at the today is

[1:18:29] $56,000 and if all that was spent to

[1:18:31] kind of the youth employment in City

[1:18:34] Hall so we're talking about

[1:18:37] 94,000 Sor so we're looking about

[1:18:40] $94,000 of if we were to imply them back

[1:18:44] at City Hall and the parks another 50

[1:18:47] $60,000 so we're looking at um you know

[1:18:50] $90,000 there available to help out out

[1:18:55] of

[1:18:55] business I don't think that's

[1:18:58] enough I I was just wondering why we

[1:19:01] didn't spend the whole amount of money

[1:19:02] in other words what you're saying is the

[1:19:04] county didn't didn't I know again I want

[1:19:07] to say in the city some in the summer

[1:19:11] programs did

[1:19:12] not take off the way I thought they were

[1:19:15] going to and could

[1:19:19] construction uh there may have been some

[1:19:22] things that Chris L hired that have been

[1:19:25] charged out of other accounts so that

[1:19:29] number might

[1:19:31] be

[1:19:33] uh a little high in terms of what is

[1:19:36] actually there it's not significant

[1:19:39] might be 5,000 bucks

[1:19:41] but go ahead um can Mr Farley bring me

[1:19:45] back to I think your first year of

[1:19:47] council that was there were a whole

[1:19:50] bunch of students that you hired or not

[1:19:53] you person on the city 2022 we did a was

[1:19:56] a partnership with the city and the

[1:19:59] school district right so was the county

[1:20:01] yes okay was this this line or no

[1:20:04] yes what did we do you recall what we

[1:20:07] spent that

[1:20:09] year

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[1:20:17] it

[1:20:19] 14,2 they they really utilize that money

[1:20:23] that2

[1:20:25] yeah right and I think so initially um

[1:20:29] during cuz now you're kind of triggering

[1:20:30] my memory here that there was

[1:20:32] conversation around whether uh the

[1:20:35] county was the appropriate partner or

[1:20:37] something that we wanted to bring more

[1:20:39] inhouse so I don't know if that Dynamic

[1:20:42] shifted and which is why we would see

[1:20:44] you know go from spending uh 140,000

[1:20:49] to to 50,000 so I don't know if that you

[1:20:52] know that it was a promat programmatic

[1:20:55] change that could have happened because

[1:20:56] are we do this year are we still

[1:20:58] partnering with the

[1:21:00] county well then that that exp happened

[1:21:03] to our person who was

[1:21:06] running Park store yeah he had left will

[1:21:10] left don't happen since then that's what

[1:21:15] happened to go ahead please well no I

[1:21:17] think I mean I think um whether we leave

[1:21:19] it at 150 or if we add more money I

[1:21:22] think it's really valuable I mean I

[1:21:24] don't we never know whether actually

[1:21:26] youth um you know just again based on my

[1:21:30] when I was working but I mean sometimes

[1:21:31] we had trouble recruiting youth even

[1:21:33] through

[1:21:34] sjta um they sometimes have trouble um I

[1:21:38] think right not anymore maybe maybe I

[1:21:41] mean this is I'm talking about when I

[1:21:42] was working so so I mean but I mean I

[1:21:44] think it's a really valuable program I I

[1:21:47] really can't emphasize that enough so

[1:21:51] whether we stay at 150 or whether we add

[1:21:53] money but again if we add money we have

[1:21:54] to take money away from someplace else

[1:21:56] there is no doubt it's a very successful

[1:21:58] program and to to kind of like getting

[1:22:00] bu you out there into the into the

[1:22:03] working environment because if we can

[1:22:04] recall in 2022 when Dr zaka came here

[1:22:08] and did a presentation after the the

[1:22:10] work program and he was like telling us

[1:22:12] that these business were asking these

[1:22:15] you to come back and to do parttime

[1:22:17] because of the work ethics they were

[1:22:19] developing at a point in time those are things that you know hit you

[1:22:24] to see that that we continue to fund

[1:22:25] them and that's why I always ask and all

[1:22:27] of us none of us are asking to to get

[1:22:29] rid that we're asking to can help it but

[1:22:32] at the same time we need to spread it

[1:22:34] and utilize it so so I think there need

[1:22:38] to be a more a more broader partnership

[1:22:40] with the city the parks department City

[1:22:42] Hall parks department and the part of

[1:22:45] business in um in the city yeah I think

[1:22:47] you definitely need to expand it beyond

[1:22:49] that um working for the cities want to

[1:22:51] focus on um working in the Parks depends

[1:22:55] on what you like I think there's so many

[1:22:57] other opportunities and so many other

[1:22:59] industries that are emerging young

[1:23:01] people can gain skills and like you said

[1:23:03] if you had a business and you didn't

[1:23:04] have to pay somebody but you could they

[1:23:06] get training and then you get some extra

[1:23:08] help and like I said there's emerging

[1:23:09] things that young people are really

[1:23:10] interested in that um we have those

[1:23:13] companies yeah like I don't know does

[1:23:15] anybody work in the it it Department

[1:23:17] this year I think that would be a great

[1:23:20] place to

[1:23:21] work we did not have

[1:23:25] people worked in the

[1:23:29] it those are sensitive

[1:23:32] Department we have to

[1:23:34] have Cy security sensitive Department

[1:23:37] you can't have parttime or or people who

[1:23:40] are inter there they St I think this is calling for a more discussion

[1:23:47] and to bring in um players into this uh

[1:23:51] to kind

[1:23:52] of you know profile a u a plan how do we

[1:23:56] um involve everybody funding was there

[1:23:59] funding is there next

[1:24:01] year I don't I don't think the funding

[1:24:03] is adequate that's what I'm saying as

[1:24:05] you see we didn't spent 150 no no so for clear because the money wasn't spent

[1:24:12] does not mean that the need is not there

[1:24:15] I would I would there lot of need we

[1:24:17] that I know absolutely so so the point

[1:24:19] of this process is as to we assess the

[1:24:21] need then we respond in kind and what

[1:24:23] I'm suggesting and what I don't think we

[1:24:25] need uh even though I like collaboration

[1:24:28] and partnership I don't think we need

[1:24:29] other people to come in here to tell us

[1:24:31] that our youth need uh greater

[1:24:32] investment in our youth um so I think

[1:24:35] that that's a pretty that's a simple

[1:24:36] position that I'm pretty confident in

[1:24:38] taking and saying I think that we need

[1:24:39] to respond and I think that we need to

[1:24:42] uh boost that budget and and it seems

[1:24:44] like the mechanism has changed from

[1:24:47] having a partner with a broader reach

[1:24:49] and then that partner is no longer a

[1:24:50] part of it and I think that that would

[1:24:52] be reflect more of why we're at

[1:24:54] the number that we're at not the need of

[1:24:56] the youth kids need employment this is

[1:24:59] actually to um and I definitely credit a

[1:25:02] city council and the mayor for this this

[1:25:03] was the first time the city actually um

[1:25:06] this is usually a county thing um so

[1:25:08] this the first time we did this was you

[1:25:10] know the city um taking some ownership

[1:25:13] in that process and I think that it was

[1:25:15] extremely successful and we could tell

[1:25:17] about the climate of our community these

[1:25:18] things are needed more and more so yeah

[1:25:20] I think it is a serious consideration I

[1:25:22] don't need I don't know that we need a

[1:25:23] whole bunch of

[1:25:24] uh further research to know that so I

[1:25:27] think that that's something that I'm

[1:25:28] willing to look at and I think I welcome

[1:25:30] my colleagues to do so as

[1:25:32] well and the evidence is there when we

[1:25:35] had the larger partnership back in 22

[1:25:37] that we spent almost all money so so and

[1:25:41] I back to broader discussion with all of

[1:25:44] us including the mayor to bring the

[1:25:46] players to the table and say

[1:25:47] okay we need to expand this we need to

[1:25:50] utilize the funding whatever the number

[1:25:52] is and let's maximize it to benefit

[1:25:55] the use okay we we're going to be able

[1:25:56] to do that before the budget no we don't

[1:25:59] can we pass the budget and then we bring

[1:26:01] those and and then we set the me and you

[1:26:03] on the same page that's what I'm saying

[1:26:05] let's allocate the funds and then

[1:26:06] programmatic

[1:26:08] decisioning start implenting how do we

[1:26:10] move forward to spending yeah so how

[1:26:12] much are we

[1:26:15] allocating Council will we making those

[1:26:18] decisions right now or are we still

[1:26:20] going

[1:26:21] through did like how Anthony came back

[1:26:24] for the draft of whatever we had

[1:26:26] suggested it's not something that we had

[1:26:28] agreed on it suggested changes from the

[1:26:30] yesterday so something this where just

[1:26:32] you know kind of like brainstorming and

[1:26:35] trying to put some numbers against these

[1:26:37] lines to see where we are remember when

[1:26:40] ask you have to take yes that's what

[1:26:42] saying that's what you did here it's

[1:26:44] more of a for us look that seems to be

[1:26:47] the case in every budget line right

[1:26:49] every l so this one's no different okay

[1:26:51] whatever you're taking out whatever

[1:26:52] you're adding you have to take on

[1:26:53] something

[1:26:55] y we should ask do I do I have a do I

[1:26:58] have a suggested am like to see i' like

[1:27:01] to see another $100,000 in that L what

[1:27:04] are you I said I would like to see

[1:27:06] another $100,000 in that L to make add

[1:27:08] to 250

[1:27:11] yep well at the same time you know we

[1:27:13] put you on the spot we need to look at

[1:27:16] um where is a

[1:27:19] 100,000 coming from but you know I'm

[1:27:22] just that

[1:27:24] you can go uh we have some work no no

[1:27:26] I'm with you I mean I just think that we

[1:27:29] every time we talk about adding that's

[1:27:30] the same formula we have to use right

[1:27:33] I'm fully aware has to be an in and out

[1:27:35] fully aware you say that every time we

[1:27:38] talk about soad please the lifeguards

[1:27:41] are in a different place I just want to

[1:27:42] point that out so we do also hire youth

[1:27:46] um um boys and girls that's a contract

[1:27:50] to the boys and

[1:27:51] girls those are funding already going to

[1:27:58] say there's one also hired at the golf

[1:28:01] course summer but I think so too this

[1:28:06] ER because Matt D was looking for sum

[1:28:09] but again

[1:28:10] that wasn't charged out of this money

[1:28:13] but it was kind of conceptually

[1:28:15] something that should have been there

[1:28:17] you need to reappropriate those money

[1:28:20] you need to put them in the rightful um

[1:28:22] line

[1:28:30] leave it in golf if it's in golf I agree

[1:28:33] but I think we're all it sounds to me

[1:28:35] like we're all in agreement that we want

[1:28:37] to support youth employment yeah so I

[1:28:39] just I think we can move on but so we're

[1:28:41] all in agreement with my

[1:28:43] $100,000 the whole thing first okay I'm

[1:28:46] just

[1:28:47] one go ahead please so question all

[1:28:51] right all right we were talking about

[1:28:53] potential and there's a probably good

[1:28:55] chance right some of the Opera money

[1:28:56] will be coming back yeah and and we're

[1:28:58] looking at changing up this program a

[1:29:01] bit right in the Partnerships so that

[1:29:04] would be a source excellent source and

[1:29:07] then see how we do for that year and

[1:29:09] then fund it the following year if it

[1:29:11] goes well at that same amount I I I

[1:29:15] think that's an excellent suggestion

[1:29:17] because if we take back money um from

[1:29:19] arer I believe that this would be a

[1:29:21] legitimate use of arur

[1:29:24] because we have I think yeah but I think

[1:29:27] that all these prog all these program

[1:29:30] questions you

[1:29:31] know we can address after we pass a

[1:29:35] budget but um you know it's a it's a

[1:29:39] good suggestion but I think what was

[1:29:40] discussed um the last couple U meetings

[1:29:42] is that we it's funded by arpa currently

[1:29:46] so we're looking I made a suggestion to

[1:29:48] fund it permanently in the budget next

[1:29:50] year because our is going away so next

[1:29:52] year we would not be with the blue line

[1:29:55] it will be coming out directly from the

[1:29:58] general fund for thisth employment BL

[1:30:01] line so what

[1:30:03] I we an agreement to what

[1:30:08] 250,000 it will have to be per meance in

[1:30:10] the budget funding from general fund

[1:30:14] again and I know you guys get sick of me

[1:30:15] putting on my fundraising hat but nobody anybody in any case this is

[1:30:22] something when we look at overall we

[1:30:24] finished going through all these

[1:30:25] questions but I mean again it would be a

[1:30:27] staff not us but um you know I think

[1:30:30] there's ways to raise money um to make

[1:30:34] up some of that money as well for for

[1:30:35] something like that I could see that we

[1:30:37] might have businesses or whatever that

[1:30:40] might make donations into a fund that

[1:30:42] was funding empy that's a good because

[1:30:45] if we're if we're if we're sending

[1:30:47] employment parttime employment to them

[1:30:49] at some point in time they can make a

[1:30:51] donation toward a program or

[1:30:55] y see coming in good keep that

[1:30:59] hot half the salary another thing that

[1:31:02] is that we have to look at is that how

[1:31:04] does this impact you know and drive down

[1:31:07] cost in other areas once you have youth

[1:31:09] with less idle time um yes and that and

[1:31:12] that's and the other point that we want

[1:31:13] to consider is that that money that's um

[1:31:16] going into youth is likely going to

[1:31:17] recirculate within our local economy so

[1:31:19] there's a couple variables that we have

[1:31:21] to really consider when we're making

[1:31:22] that decision good those new points I

[1:31:24] think my $100,000 suggestion was a

[1:31:26] little low so we'll revisit that we get

[1:31:30] there a little little low on that

[1:31:32] actually

[1:31:34] so okay it is noted we have notes umy um

[1:31:40] we're taking notes of these um suggested

[1:31:43] numbers

[1:31:46] sest we're not asking for change the

[1:31:48] point time just to kind of like put that

[1:31:50] on

[1:31:51] paper now

[1:31:54] the next one is um Revenue a213

[1:31:58] D I spoke to Paul about these he says

[1:32:01] the city we in negotiations with the

[1:32:03] towns

[1:32:06] of

[1:32:07] [Music]

[1:32:09] Miss scoa and

[1:32:12] Scotia so not we are in negotiations

[1:32:16] right now with those for water

[1:32:18] and

[1:32:20] okay and not sure we actually open negot

[1:32:24] yeah I don't think we discuss this in um

[1:32:27] session so if there's more if there's if

[1:32:30] there if we need to elaborate on this I

[1:32:32] think we need to at the

[1:32:35] end yeah we need to go in executive

[1:32:37] session and conclude

[1:32:40] um Mr Willi would you like more

[1:32:42] discussion on this as to where they

[1:32:44] are we

[1:32:47] canate okay so we'll we'll then do that

[1:32:50] like we did last night and then go and

[1:32:53] you will

[1:32:54] we'll get some more information the next

[1:32:55] one is um Gulf CR 2025 M right before I

[1:33:00] came to the meeting Matt sent me a

[1:33:03] message did i s was I can't remember no

[1:33:07] but I you said the breakdown membership

[1:33:10] is 50% of City residents and 50%

[1:33:14] nonresidents on seasonal membership um

[1:33:18] and he also says uh the

[1:33:21] rounds 22,000 rounds for non

[1:33:24] residents 6,000 rounds from

[1:33:29] residents

[1:33:31] that regular rounds whole starts for the

[1:33:34] season 9 18 whole rounds over

[1:33:37] overwhelming non-resident with

[1:33:38] approximately 22,000 rounds coming from

[1:33:41] non-residents Ando 6,000 coming from

[1:33:44] residents

[1:33:54] you says you have

[1:33:55] that can you share that I will pass it

[1:33:58] on to it was just when I was leaving to

[1:34:00] members

[1:34:04] [Music]

[1:34:05] yeah don't that's I think that's all

[1:34:08] your question

[1:34:10] U we didn't miss

[1:34:13] anything uh I know for this question

[1:34:16] specifically those so deling a little

[1:34:17] deeper I know I'm not necessarily a

[1:34:19] golfer but trying to identify other

[1:34:21] segments in the community to see if we

[1:34:23] can boost membership uh or see if there

[1:34:26] are other concerned efforts we can make

[1:34:28] you can contribute a significant amount

[1:34:31] of arpa dollars to

[1:34:32] this one area of the city um and I think

[1:34:36] trying to look or evaluate ways to

[1:34:38] increase partnership from our local

[1:34:40] residents is important but without that

[1:34:43] uh truth data that Mr Farley always

[1:34:45] highlights we might not be aware of any

[1:34:47] additional efforts we need to make to

[1:34:49] entice some of the

[1:34:51] communities I will say kids on a on the

[1:34:55] golf course uh with uh uh shout out to

[1:34:58] Brian Le better he's had a group of

[1:35:00] young men um who actually is a golf team

[1:35:03] now um and it's it was really really

[1:35:06] interesting and really great to see so

[1:35:09] but yes we would like to I agree with

[1:35:10] you Mr Williams that's something we want

[1:35:12] to increase Mr yeah just that school

[1:35:16] district did not have a golf team is now

[1:35:19] reconstituted it uh and I tried to hire

[1:35:24] one of the

[1:35:25] kids now my m is coming back for the

[1:35:27] golf course and he had

[1:35:30] other uh opportunities so it's

[1:35:34] nothing it's all good but just that is

[1:35:37] how do you get people uh taking

[1:35:39] advantage of you know whether it's the

[1:35:41] golf course the swimming pool the a

[1:35:44] diamond uh basketball courts the amities

[1:35:48] that we have within the city so that uh

[1:35:51] and they can uh hopefully turn it into

[1:35:54] lifetime Pursuits

[1:35:57] yeah I mean this is something that we

[1:35:59] can have on M back at some point in time

[1:36:02] a committee meeting to talk about that U

[1:36:05] this good points that you're you're

[1:36:07] bringing up there and I think they do

[1:36:09] come for every year to kind of like look

[1:36:11] at fees almost every year as as they

[1:36:13] been here and they will come and they

[1:36:16] will suggest that we increase the fee at

[1:36:17] the same time tell us you know what's

[1:36:19] happening over there and their your

[1:36:21] competitors

[1:36:25] we can

[1:36:27] talk not talking about playing all I was

[1:36:30] supposed to play today but never made it

[1:36:32] but anyway um we had a pretty hefty uh P

[1:36:36] increase uh for season passes I think

[1:36:39] two years ago um which affected I think

[1:36:42] a lot of our residents so um as far as

[1:36:44] the fee pce but I'm just so proud of our

[1:36:47] course and what we have to offer that

[1:36:49] 22,000 nonresidents are coming to play

[1:36:53] um and

[1:36:55] um as far as putting amount the amount

[1:36:58] of resources we did into into this

[1:37:01] course the the 3 million for irrigation

[1:37:03] which will only I think improve

[1:37:05] residents and non-residents and light

[1:37:07] coming in but we've also spent a whole

[1:37:09] lot of money in different parts of the

[1:37:10] city um where you know there's not much

[1:37:13] revenue that comes in from there so

[1:37:16] again I think it was a huge asset of

[1:37:19] what we put in there and I'm proud of

[1:37:21] what the city's done what we've done and

[1:37:24] it will continue I think to be a big

[1:37:26] very large Revenue Source moving forward

[1:37:28] so thank you I would throw out to the

[1:37:31] council ceremonial role mayor is opening

[1:37:34] the golf course I drive up the first and

[1:37:37] have been challenged by of

[1:37:41] Team generally the mayor doesn't do too

[1:37:45] well and so I would open that up

[1:37:49] to challenge the city council when we

[1:37:51] open it up and we can all

[1:37:53] [Music]

[1:37:55] we all have our strengths that is not

[1:37:58] one of mine that is not one of

[1:38:01] mine we will we will take our our

[1:38:03] training

[1:38:05] lessons I will I will come and laugh at

[1:38:08] you guys when the kids kick your butt

[1:38:09] but I will not they do I will not

[1:38:12] participate well I just want to say I

[1:38:14] mean again I am not a golfer as Mr

[1:38:17] William said but it's just you know I

[1:38:19] spend a lot of time talking with Matt

[1:38:21] and just because my health and

[1:38:22] Recreation role here but um it's an

[1:38:25] amazing course I have so many friends

[1:38:27] that are golfers who just talk again I

[1:38:30] can't speak for myself but you know that

[1:38:32] it's such an excellent course that it

[1:38:34] Rivals private private clubs so I just

[1:38:36] think Matt does you know an amazing job

[1:38:38] and I also want to say we have a really

[1:38:40] active golf advisory committee as well

[1:38:43] and they are very committed to the to to

[1:38:46] the course and they you know they're

[1:38:48] just a really active group of volunteers

[1:38:49] as well no I just so add to that I the

[1:38:53] golf we have invest a lot of money into

[1:38:54] the parks and I mean yeah aggressive

[1:38:57] approach from the mayor from us on you

[1:39:00] know the department so all of part

[1:39:01] seeing a lot of investment and they're

[1:39:04] generating Revenue to because people are

[1:39:05] paying fees uh you know for certain

[1:39:08] things to to use the facility so all

[1:39:11] these things are you know coming into

[1:39:13] place and development are happening

[1:39:15] across the city in terms of facility

[1:39:17] that people can

[1:39:19] use and um you know benefit from and at

[1:39:22] the same time we Genera take some

[1:39:23] Revenue to help offset cost I just want

[1:39:26] to clarify so um are you saying that Mr

[1:39:28] Charo that that the fee increase was

[1:39:32] prohibited for some residents you felt

[1:39:34] like we had a drop off there I I I

[1:39:36] seriously do I do um I don't I think it

[1:39:39] if it was huge not huge I'm sorry don't

[1:39:44] say and I think

[1:39:47] doubled well let's be clear it's not the

[1:39:51] fee to play Just Around golf it is the

[1:39:55] season pass and I will tell you that is one of the best

[1:40:00] values in the capital region yeah that

[1:40:03] was yeah so I was I was about to say

[1:40:06] that because when Matt came to us he was

[1:40:07] saying that our fee is regardless of him

[1:40:10] raising it up it's still below our

[1:40:12] competitors around the capital region

[1:40:14] and we offer more the best

[1:40:18] facility it it was a season pass and I I

[1:40:21] do know quite a few people reached out

[1:40:23] to me that they had to drop their season

[1:40:25] pass membership they they could go out

[1:40:27] and

[1:40:28] play four times a day if they want it

[1:40:31] 365 days year of course was open but

[1:40:34] some of them are there

[1:40:36] 36 they get their money's worth but it

[1:40:38] was it was quite an investment too a

[1:40:43] lot there's it's a good point and I

[1:40:46] don't know the number what is it

[1:40:48] $1,500 yeah yeah so pay $1,500 and then

[1:40:52] you can basically play whenever you

[1:40:54] want as opposed to going up and paying

[1:40:57] for the the 18 holes I and I think it

[1:41:01] was maybe 800

[1:41:03] prior so it was but we approved it so

[1:41:07] yeah so I think when mat is back I'm

[1:41:10] sure he's going to be back here next

[1:41:12] year before us we can we can raise these

[1:41:16] um the conversation with him to talk

[1:41:19] about um you

[1:41:21] know the raises of would affect the

[1:41:24] usage because I don't I don't have that

[1:41:26] chart with me now but I mean even and

[1:41:29] again my my golf knowledge is limited

[1:41:32] but um I hear what M Doro is saying but

[1:41:35] I know that the other fees go up very minimally um when when Matt comes

[1:41:40] to US every year well and I think if I

[1:41:42] can speak I mean for myself maybe I mean

[1:41:45] we trust him with his AB we should and

[1:41:49] he he's out there he's a pro so that's

[1:41:51] what kind of like you know what he's

[1:41:52] bringing this to us he asking this he's

[1:41:54] giving us comparison at that point in

[1:41:56] time to show that hey what's happening

[1:41:59] out there in Colony and Leon here we and

[1:42:01] we're still under and I I do think I'm

[1:42:04] sorry but I just want to say I mean

[1:42:06] again for the last few years I've been

[1:42:08] talking with him about the whole getting

[1:42:09] more youth out there so the idea that

[1:42:11] the school has um reinstituted you're

[1:42:15] saying a golf team is awesome I mean

[1:42:17] that'll be really uh great

[1:42:20] for for all of us I mean and I think as

[1:42:23] mayor said it if they get into a

[1:42:25] lifetime habit um it's a good thing the

[1:42:28] mayor will get his um inter this year

[1:42:31] next year an inter to do the first golf

[1:42:33] shot for

[1:42:34] him yeah but I I I guess I think what

[1:42:39] that kind of hike in the feed was more

[1:42:42] responsive to the fact that they hadn't

[1:42:45] been raised consistently so I think at a consistent rate to be consistent

[1:42:51] with the other municipalities to have

[1:42:53] cuz when he came and presented he said

[1:42:55] hey we're still way below so I think

[1:42:58] what some of that what you might

[1:43:00] experience is a little bit of ticket the

[1:43:02] ticket shop right of wow and then maybe

[1:43:06] after that because you know once you

[1:43:07] once you're getting something at a

[1:43:08] certain value even if if it doubles even

[1:43:11] if you're still getting it as you know

[1:43:12] even if it's still a far greater value

[1:43:14] you could you can experience a little

[1:43:16] bit of ticket shot but I think that

[1:43:18] that's something that will you know kind

[1:43:20] of self-correct people start to come

[1:43:22] back

[1:43:23] goe Mr chair and the problem that's Evol

[1:43:27] the golf course is just what Mr Fry's

[1:43:31] talking about is you cannot get a tea

[1:43:34] timee the demand is there so that people

[1:43:37] are lining up and so we raised the

[1:43:41] prices on some of that to again level it

[1:43:44] out so in fact people could play and

[1:43:46] enjoy it having said that there's still

[1:43:50] times on like Sunday afternoon and other

[1:43:52] times when utilization is very low we've

[1:43:55] talked about it before uh that's

[1:43:58] specifically this Council but

[1:44:00] historically is how do you get people to

[1:44:03] uh come in on the Sunday afternoon later

[1:44:06] on some of the other afternoons where

[1:44:09] it's

[1:44:10] slow to take advantage of the investment

[1:44:13] that we've made be able to have a good

[1:44:15] time and uh maybe play golf when they

[1:44:18] wouldn't otherwise play bring people

[1:44:21] in uh for the experience where they

[1:44:23] could uh learn Golf and take it up as a

[1:44:28] continual activity going forward I

[1:44:32] 20% I'll just listen people advertise

[1:44:36] free golf hot dogs

[1:44:40] $39 I mean it gets you in

[1:44:43] there anyway there's lots of different

[1:44:46] there thank you

[1:44:50] yeah well this is this was interesting

[1:44:53] yeah so we we can we can address that

[1:44:56] mat before here or if we need to bring

[1:44:59] him in ear you know we can Parks sh Elon

[1:45:04] W sh to bring m m you know

[1:45:07] yeah if we need

[1:45:10] to before he comes us suggested um

[1:45:15] Revenue increase next year because he

[1:45:17] does he does that all the

[1:45:19] year any other question on this so

[1:45:22] Anthony what I would ask take away from

[1:45:24] this is that um we can't do an in and

[1:45:26] out of this but if you can just create a seure to show what it was CA

[1:45:32] associated with the

[1:45:34] recommendation the associate cost but

[1:45:38] not not in out just a cost

[1:45:48] yes there is a backup in here is this um

[1:45:52] Accord to Mr continency $20,000 20,000 so there's

[1:46:05] no need to discuss that what is that

[1:46:07] what is remember that was where they

[1:46:09] were going to take the money

[1:46:11] from from the the police money and but

[1:46:15] now it's coming out the contingency the

[1:46:19] planting there there is a suggestion on

[1:46:22] the table to take out the

[1:46:23] frency so that's and I'm I'm fine with

[1:46:27] that okay so yes okay all

[1:46:37] right are we missing any questions from

[1:46:40] last night are we missing any stuff from

[1:46:42] last I thought we had a couple we didn't

[1:46:43] go over all these yet have we did we go

[1:46:46] over these three pieces that we had in

[1:46:47] our packet when we got

[1:46:50] here yes

[1:46:54] yeah this is the one I talk about the um

[1:46:57] on the presentation but the

[1:47:04] um this is the one with the um the fee

[1:47:06] excessive W fee I asked if I wor

[1:47:09] knowledge Ming forward to move that um

[1:47:12] hopefully calling for public hearing if

[1:47:14] council is an agreement we'll call for

[1:47:15] the public hearing and move for this one

[1:47:18] here is the um new program I asked for

[1:47:22] year to the

[1:47:24] okay

[1:47:25] actual no I just wanted to make sure we

[1:47:27] recover yes you

[1:47:32] did there's no on sorry it's confusing

[1:47:36] it printed on um both

[1:47:41] sides we got the

[1:47:55] and we did address the um the AR reports

[1:47:59] but the outstanding um that we had from

[1:48:02] last

[1:48:07] evening all right

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[1:48:36] are there any other questions uh need to

[1:48:38] be submitted to to Anthony or any

[1:48:42] department

[1:48:45] head I like if we can wrap up all the um

[1:48:48] no no hard feelings but I would like to

[1:48:50] wrap up all the questions and if we have

[1:48:53] any please submitted so we can get

[1:48:55] answer because um at some point time we

[1:48:57] going to have to

[1:48:59] like cut out the questions and and start

[1:49:03] move in the direction of uh

[1:49:05] [Music]

[1:49:07] conclusion so please if you have any

[1:49:09] question please ask now or submit it um

[1:49:11] this

[1:49:13] evening um I would really appreciate

[1:49:15] because um I would like us start move in

[1:49:19] a to arrive at a conclusion

[1:49:26] and again please reach out to the mayor

[1:49:28] please reach out to Anthony if you have

[1:49:32] any questions any concerns any

[1:49:34] recommendation make sure you send oh

[1:49:38] sorry

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[1:49:41] I yeah please copy Derek also and

[1:49:44] Anthony copy the mayor so you know I we want you to ask question we want you

[1:49:50] to get answered and I

[1:49:54] am I

[1:49:55] am hoping that all the questions have

[1:49:59] been answered and if there's anything

[1:50:01] outstanding we can answer tomorrow and

[1:50:04] I'm hoping that we can deliver it

[1:50:06] tomorrow for a

[1:50:09] conclusion I think we can do that we I

[1:50:13] don't see a point at this time um any

[1:50:15] question outstanding or any any hot

[1:50:17] topic that is the

[1:50:20] table that needs to be addressed if

[1:50:22] there's anything that I'm missing please

[1:50:24] let me

[1:50:25] know go ahead I guess um just in terms

[1:50:28] of prepping for tomorrow night if

[1:50:30] there's anything that people feel like

[1:50:31] they're going to raise that might be

[1:50:33] items that we might need to debate it

[1:50:36] would be good to have sort of heads up

[1:50:38] on that so we can think about that so I

[1:50:40] mean we we really haven't talked at all

[1:50:43] about about that so I want use that

[1:50:46] word well you know want to want yes

[1:50:50] thank you we want to discuss it friendly

[1:50:52] discussion not debate we we going to

[1:50:54] change the way how we do things so we

[1:50:57] have friendly discussion so yes and

[1:50:59] thank you for that if you you know go

[1:51:01] back after this tonight tomorrow morning

[1:51:03] during the day please reach out with

[1:51:05] your recommendation if you want to see

[1:51:08] you know like just use um the money

[1:51:11] $250,000 300,000 yeah

[1:51:14] know you're not allow

[1:51:17] I I'm just making a suggestion you're

[1:51:20] making a suggestion of 250,000

[1:51:23] guide help us to where do we take that

[1:51:25] off from sure where do we do we increase

[1:51:27] Revenue do we take it out the line make

[1:51:29] a suggestion so that way helps anony it

[1:51:31] help us to move and that's a

[1:51:33] recommendation that would avoid a LLY

[1:51:35] discussion as to back and forth sure

[1:51:37] thing so come up with that everybody I'm

[1:51:40] just using an example anybody else

[1:51:42] myself to include it if I'm going to

[1:51:44] make a recommendation to say that I

[1:51:46] think that we should increase XYZ I need

[1:51:48] to come up with a plan where do we take

[1:51:50] it from we cannot uh suggestion on the

[1:51:53] table with yesterday's uh

[1:51:55] recommendation Anthony came came back

[1:51:57] with a

[1:51:59] suggestion

[1:52:01] contingency now we have to be careful

[1:52:03] our actual to date is

[1:52:07] 332,000 and if you're dropping up to 20

[1:52:10] that's that's a little dangerous so we

[1:52:13] need to we need to at a point you know

[1:52:16] bring that to the table and say is that

[1:52:20] realistic to me no no that's not

[1:52:23] realistic because our contingency needs

[1:52:25] to stay at that point in time for fire

[1:52:29] it happen all the time we can avoid it

[1:52:31] we have to do emergency demo they need

[1:52:33] funding on that line to help with

[1:52:37] that if you want to add something you

[1:52:39] have to take that's

[1:52:44] what today

[1:52:51] take back

[1:52:53] yeah not only not only take it out if we

[1:52:56] suggesting to take it out of certain

[1:52:57] lines we have to be you know we

[1:52:58] realistic and at the same time we're

[1:53:00] look at if you want to increase Revenue

[1:53:03] you know those are suggestion that we

[1:53:04] need to bring

[1:53:05] tomorrow no question Anthony what do we

[1:53:07] have to do if we add something you clear

[1:53:11] that okay got it got

[1:53:13] it we know that okay got me to follow an

[1:53:17] email for you yeah please if you would

[1:53:19] mind help me a little bit Y show me them

[1:53:24] some so please all of us including

[1:53:26] myself recommendation as to how we move

[1:53:29] forward and conclude tomorrow so if you

[1:53:32] can subit that ahead of time that will

[1:53:34] be very very helpful so Anthony can um

[1:53:37] bring um suggestion and the cost

[1:53:41] associated with your suggestion so we

[1:53:43] need so before tomorrow night's meeting

[1:53:46] will we have an update on the changes

[1:53:48] that have been at least sort of

[1:53:50] suggested I know we got this right so

[1:53:53] yes this is it just cost analysis on

[1:53:57] this you're just looking for cost analis

[1:54:01] oh no no no no no this is just yes but if we can get it ahead of time at

[1:54:06] least we'd have time to think about it

[1:54:07] before we come to the table just I guess

[1:54:09] I'm just trying to avoid any shocking

[1:54:11] kinds of things that when we come to the

[1:54:13] table I'd rather have good point if we

[1:54:15] can do this tomorrow morning you should

[1:54:17] share with us morning so that to the

[1:54:20] counil so we have this here at this as

[1:54:23] another proposal the one that we

[1:54:25] received today versus this one

[1:54:28] tomorrow

[1:54:30] yeah submit your proposal if you don't

[1:54:33] want to submit it please call the mayor

[1:54:35] call Anthony discuss have a you know

[1:54:38] your free have open open phone

[1:54:41] conversation with the mayor with Anthony

[1:54:44] dere you may not want to P in an email

[1:54:47] please make phone

[1:54:48] calls I'll call you

[1:54:51] here make phone calls and come to the

[1:54:53] table with you know with um with an

[1:54:56] understanding of how we uh move

[1:55:00] forward if you want to talk about the

[1:55:02] arpa and the reallocation that we didn't

[1:55:04] touch on talk about it openly see where

[1:55:06] we are we have we have you know some

[1:55:09] agency that not not off the par what do

[1:55:12] we do there you brought up a good point

[1:55:14] earlier you know should we consider this

[1:55:16] into this budget that's that's open

[1:55:19] question but but it was my understanding

[1:55:21] from when this Carver was here that we

[1:55:23] can't consider it into the budget right

[1:55:26] is that what I heard or that's we only

[1:55:28] are looking at those four things no

[1:55:30] that's already in the budget to bance a

[1:55:33] budget we can an out that okay so we can

[1:55:37] still funding from other pieces if we

[1:55:40] were to make any adjustment on those

[1:55:42] four recommendation on the Aral line we

[1:55:45] would have to find other source of

[1:55:47] income Revenue to offset that now we

[1:55:50] were talking about earlier there that

[1:55:52] we're talking about that we're steering

[1:55:55] down and that's what you made some

[1:55:58] reference towards it and that's what

[1:55:59] kind of like brought it on

[1:56:01] that but if we if we if we're talking

[1:56:03] about that I think that we should aim

[1:56:06] our the aimed at City things within the

[1:56:08] city yes and and I don't mean salary so

[1:56:11] I mean other projects like the parks

[1:56:14] things in the Parks whatever else needs

[1:56:15] to be done 100,000 what you're saying so

[1:56:18] if we take other funds from other

[1:56:20] agencies

[1:56:22] it's not going to

[1:56:24] ouren is going to be remain in house go

[1:56:27] offet um some of the we just talked

[1:56:29] about exactly

[1:56:32] yes I think that's that's that's what I

[1:56:35] was thinking when I was going over

[1:56:37] everything today so

[1:56:41] yeah so we have our homework tonight and

[1:56:45] into tomorrow uh tomorrow evening and

[1:56:49] Anthony will provide that um cause

[1:56:51] breakdown for us

[1:56:53] and do we have anything else

[1:56:58] Joe no I think we have much so we'll

[1:57:02] just we'll just um we'll just U go into

[1:57:05] executive session we'll deal with u the

[1:57:07] revenue um the three items and then

[1:57:11] we'll break until tomorrow oh we're

[1:57:13] going into s yeah so I just need a

[1:57:15] motion to go into executive

[1:57:18] session motion more

[1:57:20] clear ex session

[1:57:22] it's um there three items a 2130b FX

[1:57:28] 2140b and G

[1:57:31] 21 outside contract

[1:57:35] negotiation

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[1:57:37] MP okay that is pending

[1:57:43] and

[1:57:45] tomor I'll make a motion second all in

[1:57:48] favor we're in executive session make a

[1:57:51] motion

[1:57:52] me too not

[1:57:54] allow

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[1:58:02] okay I

[1:58:03] also I had Larry

[1:58:08] speak in case anybody's interested I

[1:58:10] only have four copies but part of the

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Schenectady City Council Budget Meeting, October 17, 2024

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