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[0:10] I'd like to call the orders to connect

[0:11] the city council committee meeting for

[0:13] Monday October 21st

[0:15] 2024 and our first committee is Public

[0:17] Safety I'd like to call the Public

[0:19] Safety Committee to order we have two

[0:20] items on the agenda tonight first of

[0:22] which is the Edward burn Memorial

[0:24] Justice assistance grant Fula program

[0:27] local solicitation fisal year 202 for

[0:40] chief good afternoon good evening uh the

[0:44] city police department

[0:46] is requesting acceptance of this uh

[0:50] justice assistance grant ultimately we

[0:54] were awarded uh the city and county was

[0:56] awarded

[0:58] $357 uh there's been agreed amount that

[1:01] an agreed amount that the city will

[1:02] accept

[1:03] $55,000 and a remaining balance of $

[1:06] 3,711 will be used by the county

[1:09] ultimately what this does this will

[1:11] allow us to do rather is to use

[1:13] consumables for um new evidence Tech

[1:18] procedure equipment apparently there's

[1:21] new technology out there and the city

[1:23] possesses that we have uh use of uh like

[1:27] a fighter extractor uh so anytime you

[1:29] Mye pieces of fiber in either carpet or

[1:32] clothing they can extract that but it

[1:35] uses consumables so the $5,000 would be

[1:39] used to purchase consumables as they're used up and there is no

[1:44] matching funds required by the city

[1:47] thank you any questions or comments for

[1:50] so just to Clarity they um we use the

[1:52] air equipment yes the count that the

[1:55] count is purchasing and sell our cost

[1:57] for the consumables but we always have

[1:58] access to the equip itself that's

[2:00] correct okay that's all I have any other

[2:02] questions or concerns Mr Mayor my

[2:05] understanding that equipment would not

[2:07] be solely used for the city be made

[2:11] available for other agencies within the

[2:13] county so that's our portion would be

[2:17] 5,000 is going to go to to support our

[2:19] component utilization

[2:22] of

[2:25] some because it's the counties

[2:30] any other questions or concerns second

[2:33] all in favor the next item on the agenda

[2:37] is a reminder of the public hearing

[2:39] regarding creating a new section 20 24

[2:44] 24-11 of the S city code and amending

[2:47] section 228-9875

[3:00] safety hearing on have motion second all

[3:03] in favor

[3:04] I I would like to call the finance

[3:06] committee to order on the fourth item is

[3:08] the fire department contract acceptance

[3:10] personal protective equipments Turnal

[3:13] gear Chief

[3:22] Marina everyone good

[3:25] evening sor

[3:31] so a few weeks ago we were here to

[3:33] standardize our personal protective

[3:36] equipment PPE that's the turnout gear

[3:40] and the council moved that forward I'm

[3:42] very appreciative of that and now uh we

[3:45] have put out the

[3:47] bid our uh specs and we

[3:51] received uh a bid from garison they were

[3:54] the lowest bidder and it is for

[3:58] $4,130 per set

[4:00] and that would be good for one

[4:02] year so I'm asking the council to uh

[4:05] consider that and pass that

[4:08] forward

[4:10] questions see now may have a motion to

[4:12] move this forward second all in favor I

[4:15] thank you thank you Chief thank you next

[4:18] item is restor new Grant application May

[4:22] Marcy thank you Mr chairman this is a uh

[4:26] the state program an exciting project

[4:30] for the conversion and transition of the

[4:32] old Ellis excuse me the St Claire's

[4:34] hospital has been owned by Ellis

[4:37] Hospital of GRE ills here uh in his role

[4:40] as uh chair of Metroplex and heading up

[4:43] to unified economic

[4:45] development team accounted for uh

[4:49] getting looking for the city's support

[4:50] in turn to the application any specific

[4:53] questions Mr Gill

[4:56] available general questions I can answer

[5:03] any question for the mayor or um Mr

[5:09] Gillan other know what the mayor said

[5:11] just is there anything else want to

[5:13] we've been very successful in going

[5:14] after restore New York grants I think

[5:16] we've won seven this is the ninth round

[5:19] they look for big buildings uh that have

[5:22] a big impact on the community either

[5:24] renovating or demolishing them everyone

[5:26] knows about the central warehouse

[5:28] project in Albany recently that's going

[5:30] to be demolished so they're looking for

[5:31] you know um large structures that create

[5:35] either an opportunity or they're a drain

[5:37] on a community and they need to come

[5:39] down in this case we want to save the

[5:41] vacant St cla's hospital it's 400,000

[5:45] foot building that's a big building we

[5:48] have a proven developer in place uh

[5:50] they're applying for historic tax

[5:52] credits to help uh Finance the project

[5:55] this would be an application to the

[5:56] state for a restore New York money we've

[5:58] laid out the calendar uh in your the

[6:01] memo that was provided that shows that

[6:03] we can follow all the steps that you all

[6:05] like to follow and correct procedures

[6:09] and get an endorsement hopefully from

[6:10] the council by the end of November we

[6:12] submit the application in December we'll

[6:14] work very closely with the city staff at

[6:17] FX and the developer to put together

[6:19] hopefully a winning a winning

[6:22] application any questions on this go

[6:25] ahead please uh thank you for the the

[6:27] overview are these the type of projects

[6:29] white seat consideration for like Pilots

[6:32] yeah this is a great point I'm glad you

[6:34] raised that Council uh St cla's of

[6:36] course since it was built in 1949 has

[6:39] been off the tax rolls it's on an 18

[6:41] Acre Site uh this project would put it

[6:44] on the tax rolls through a pilot that

[6:46] would be uh still to be negotiated and

[6:49] we'll consult with the City Finance team

[6:51] and the mayor on that and all of you but

[6:54] we are very excited about the

[6:55] opportunity to put the buildings and the main hospital building on the tax

[7:01] rolls the other Medical Arts buildings

[7:04] at the campus uh which are staying open

[7:07] are already on tax

[7:10] rules any other question see now may

[7:14] have a motion to move this item forward

[7:17] second second all in favor thank you

[7:20] thanks the next item is discussion

[7:22] excessive waste speed

[7:25] schedule what's

[7:34] good evening good evening believe

[7:36] everybody has a copy of the proposed

[7:39] fees for bulk items um and um the we'll

[7:43] call the limit on the number of bags or

[7:46] gallon cans per unit in front of

[7:49] you it's been presented to you for

[7:52] discussion I don't know if any of you

[7:54] had time to go through it if you have

[7:55] any comments but

[7:57] again our was fees are going up

[8:00] drastically every year um pit fees the

[8:02] cost of truck and garbage this is also

[8:05] to address what we call the excessive

[8:08] waste on on a sneer and we know we go

[8:10] byy these houses that have I mean it

[8:13] looks like they empty three or four

[8:15] houses I put it on the curb and we take

[8:17] it right now and there's no additional

[8:18] charges or cost for that cost there is a

[8:21] cost for that but the city is absorbing

[8:22] that so this is to really look at if

[8:25] people are putting an excess amount of

[8:26] trash out for pickup including bulk

[8:29] which are taking up a lot of room in the

[8:31] trucks and adding weight to um The

[8:36] Collection well you just want to touch

[8:38] on the fres bag in excess of seven can

[8:41] you highlight that and how that was

[8:43] arriv that we discussed this in several

[8:45] meetings um two council members were

[8:47] present we had a committee um it was

[8:50] discussed a number of times on you know

[8:53] what would be the limit on the bags for

[8:54] the size bags um I believe we all came

[8:57] to a conclusion at first it was five 6

[9:00] and then oh you know I got a lot of

[9:01] garbage at 7 I mean I don't where you

[9:03] want to end we can go to 9 but we've got

[9:05] to have a point where it's reasonable

[9:08] and um you know there are some studies

[9:11] done by EPA and how much trash an

[9:12] average person puts you know out in a

[9:14] day um and we came to six and then we

[9:18] grew it to seven being a little bit

[9:20] generous I think um some of the U

[9:22] meetings I went to on some of the

[9:23] neighborhoods when they said seven bags

[9:25] some people said that's an awful lot of

[9:27] garbage it is seven bags and garbage

[9:29] or 145g can so that means if there's a

[9:33] two family unit it's 14 bags um or two 4

[9:37] gallon cans and for a three unit you got

[9:39] 21 bags or three some people have asked

[9:43] okay well what if put nine bags in my

[9:45] can well if you don't fill a bag that

[9:47] hard the can still holds nine bags it's

[9:49] nine bags but it's the can or seven full

[9:52] bags um so it was discussed in several

[9:55] meetings and this is what we came out

[9:58] with

[10:02] um can you talk a little bit I I I see

[10:04] the handout um that's in here but um

[10:07] have you thought at all about how you're

[10:08] going to promote this to residents of

[10:10] what what some of the methods might be

[10:12] Ben discussed just preliminary at some

[10:14] of the neighborhood meetings would come

[10:16] out as a soft start I we're just not

[10:17] going to start you know writing

[10:19] violations immediately um we'd have to

[10:22] do a soft start we have to do a lot of

[10:24] promotion you know there's a lot of work

[10:26] to put this out um couple of things that

[10:29] we discussed was um it's almost like the

[10:32] permit fee um if you're going to build a

[10:33] deck do some work in your house you come

[10:35] to see Hall the sheet that you have it's

[10:37] sort of an Excel simple Excel sheet you

[10:40] get six items you fill it in it's going

[10:43] to calculate the cost you come down the

[10:45] room nine do the sheet just like you do

[10:48] in codes you go upstairs for receips you

[10:50] pay for it come downstairs we give the

[10:52] appropriate stickers you put it on on we

[10:56] schedule for the next pickup um the SPL

[10:59] on there so would always go to the

[11:00] property owner um unfortunately

[11:03] tenants we we have no recourse to you

[11:06] know to um you know get that bill paid

[11:09] so we go to the homeowner um and if not

[11:13] paid obviously if we be an MDB it would

[11:15] be

[11:18] ly go ahead please so in terms of um and

[11:22] I wasn't there for the final decision

[11:23] I'm sting so in terms of who's going to

[11:26] keep track of the bags and how you're

[11:28] going to you know how it gets reported

[11:30] or let's say someone puts out eight bags

[11:32] and seven is the number so how does that

[11:35] get counted and then what happens with

[11:36] that excess bag and how does it get

[11:38] charged for I don't think we're going to

[11:40] step on everybody's toes for one bag

[11:42] once in a while okay all right five

[11:44] extra

[11:45] bags we have four new officers are out

[11:48] on a daily basis plus two three

[11:49] supervisors for which they'll go to the

[11:51] property they'll photo it um house

[11:55] there's an address on the house so it's

[11:57] documented and that on property law will

[12:00] be issued at MVB for the additional

[12:02] waste we're not going to leave it on the

[12:04] street it's got to be picked up we all

[12:06] know that's the one you know function

[12:08] and operation in the city has to be

[12:09] complete every day uh we can't go back

[12:11] tomorrow and repick it up we'll fall too

[12:13] far behind so it will be picked up so

[12:15] it's not left for you know neighbors to

[12:17] complain about um but it would be a

[12:19] violation as you know as any other the

[12:22] day when people put their trash out

[12:23] before 2:00 I you know we wrote a number

[12:26] of them today because you know uh

[12:29] have um you know 9:00 this morning for

[12:33] tomorrow's pick up so um the way to do

[12:36] this is enforcement if you don't enforce

[12:38] things nobody's going never follow the

[12:43] rule so follow in terms of billing you

[12:45] want to touch on that quarterly the

[12:47] suggestion is to build quarterly for

[12:49] this rather than building every we we

[12:51] wouldn't build it's really on the me

[12:53] it's it's sort of like if you're in the

[12:56] suburbs you know if you have a bulk

[12:57] items you call ahead part a trash

[12:59] collector and say I've got some material

[13:01] out there they'll schedule a day when

[13:03] they may have two people on that truck

[13:05] or not they'll you know the property

[13:07] owner will come down here whether he

[13:08] makes arrangements with his tenant um

[13:11] tell us they have X items to pick up or

[13:14] you know this we'll fill out and on that

[13:16] sheet you'll see that there's a pickup

[13:18] date so normally it would be the next pickup um you know if they came

[13:22] in

[13:23] 10:04 you know on a Thursday may not be

[13:26] Friday's pickup it may be the following

[13:28] Friday but we would tell them have it

[13:29] out on this date it'll all be picked

[13:32] up so for the ones who doesn't have that

[13:35] doesn't have what you know online or

[13:38] come into City Hall and have those

[13:39] stickers and just put it out like that

[13:41] to the C would that be picked up and

[13:43] then build y we we're not going to leave

[13:45] anything on the curve as we do right now

[13:48] we're going to pick it up but the

[13:50] property owner will be

[13:52] built well that's the proposal that we

[13:55] would continue to do that the final

[13:58] decision sto and what the city council

[14:01] adopts in the modified

[14:06] code go ahead please so the bill if it's

[14:09] say a

[14:11] refrigerator and they didn't come down

[14:13] and get the sticker so you build them is

[14:15] it the same amount or is it increased

[14:17] because they did not come down in De am

[14:20] same amount we do have administrative

[14:22] fee we ration $50 that's in the city

[14:24] code currently but again if it's up to

[14:28] city council want on to the neighborhood

[14:29] meetings it's only been discussed it's

[14:31] still a decision with the council and if

[14:35] you if you leave it there or you don't

[14:39] come down and you pick it up and there

[14:41] is

[14:42] no bill for it and I don't know why

[14:45] we're proposing this week smells W

[14:47] anyway I mean this is to sort of curtail

[14:50] the offenders that are just putting

[14:52] there all the time people who are

[14:54] bringing trash in from outside the city

[14:56] because they have Apartments here and

[14:57] they're leaving in front of their

[14:58] apartment buildings because it's free

[15:00] pickup beer and the reason for the

[15:02] question is if I don't come and get a

[15:06] sticker you going to take it anyway

[15:07] building it so why am they going to come

[15:08] down here and because based on that

[15:12] you're still going to get an

[15:12] administrative fee so it's going to be

[15:14] more money all right there's still

[15:16] administrative Fe attached to violations

[15:18] within the C code so if you choose to

[15:22] there would be a violation plus the

[15:26] pickup go ahead please you you brought

[15:28] up a good point about people bringing um

[15:30] garbage from outside the city so um for

[15:34] if someone I mean what if someone from

[15:35] outside the city just brings trash in

[15:37] front of my house and we have no way of

[15:39] knowing unless you go through the

[15:40] garbage that it wasn't my

[15:42] trash and so how do we and then it

[15:45] becomes between the homeowner or the

[15:47] renter and the either the garbage um the

[15:51] nuisance inspector or the city like to

[15:54] determine who really put that trash

[15:55] there but we do go through the trash and

[15:57] we look for mail okay but yes it does

[15:59] happen in fact people come in and drop

[16:01] it on the city property normal places

[16:03] are on wad Street shelting Avenue the

[16:05] Alleyways it happens on our own property

[16:08] and it may happen um and I believe law

[16:11] can answer that because the one time I

[16:12] was informed that it's presumed if it's

[16:15] in front of your house it is yours and

[16:17] that was the last um advice I got from

[16:20] Corporation Council fire new coration

[16:23] Council um I don't think it's going to

[16:26] happen every day on a daily basis but

[16:27] there's a possibility it's going to

[16:28] happen happen um we pick up trash all

[16:31] over the city that's just left in random

[16:34] places and you know it it it

[16:37] happens it's not a perfect

[16:42] system go ahead please Mr lean um what

[16:45] was sort of the general reaction from

[16:47] the neighborhood associations and thank

[16:49] you for going to all the neighborhood

[16:50] associations to talk about this it was

[16:52] taking well a lot of the um neighborhood

[16:55] ass realize that there are a lot of

[16:57] properties that are just access and you

[17:00] know to go back to your question

[17:02] is you know we might get a bag or two or

[17:04] an odd item that someone dumps but it's

[17:06] really going after the um viors who put

[17:09] just excessive amounts of waste on and I

[17:11] don't think they're going to bring

[17:12] trailer loads or truck loads into

[17:14] somebody's house and start just

[17:15] unloading it they'll probably get

[17:16] noticed you're going to have once in a

[17:18] while some point dump a TV or a single

[17:20] item in some of these I work some of

[17:22] these houses but to get back to you they

[17:24] did take it uh good um one of the things

[17:26] was a better way of maybe addressing how

[17:29] get the stickers um and it's something

[17:31] that was discussed can be done online um

[17:35] you know there's things we can look at

[17:38] um some say it may be an inconvenience

[17:39] to actually come here and you know

[17:41] purchase stickers but again if you think

[17:45] about it you know and you say okay hey I

[17:47] got a slow day today I'm going to run

[17:49] over the see Hall I'm going to just grab

[17:51] a dozen stickers just Happ for the year

[17:54] that's they're there you know you can

[17:56] call in there's things we can do but we

[17:59] have to start somewhere or we're just

[18:01] going to continue to pick up excessive

[18:03] amounts of waste and never get to a uh

[18:07] an

[18:11] end go ahead did we try something this

[18:13] similar to this um was there anything

[18:16] similar to this

[18:17] Tri back a few years ago not since I've

[18:21] been here I mean I know we did the the

[18:23] big push on um recycling years ago and

[18:27] we all know recycling is now

[18:30] you can add about $500,000 to you know

[18:32] our waste expenses because of recycling

[18:34] because you know 4 years ago was

[18:36] absolutely free it is not fre them we

[18:38] you've heard me say before we pay more

[18:41] to get rid of and dispose of our

[18:42] recycles than we do our nsw so um

[18:46] there's almost a half a million dollars

[18:47] in additional cost just on

[18:50] newy and so could you tell us which

[18:53] neighborhood associations that you've

[18:54] been to and also for those cuz

[18:57] neighborhood associations some of them

[18:58] don't have large turnout so what is the

[19:01] prop plan to reach people who don't ever

[19:04] go to Neighborhood associations or don't

[19:06] engage in that way in the community

[19:08] obviously if you make a decision on what

[19:10] we do and how we finalize it it's going

[19:12] to be you know um media it'll be on our

[19:16] website um I imagine put it in the

[19:20] newsletter um the paper maybe on the

[19:22] news it has to be you know there's going

[19:24] to be a a program to reach out to

[19:26] everybody I'll continue to go to

[19:28] Neighborhood meetings they have their

[19:30] websites they've been they can share it

[19:32] through their some of them have

[19:34] newsletters um but I've been to the

[19:36] stock aade I've been to B I've been to

[19:39] uh the G plot and the North

[19:44] End uner Union Chris was there yeah and

[19:49] one night um I had a special meeting um

[19:52] for the GE there'll be meetings at the

[19:54] same time and a budget meeting so I I

[19:56] couldn't get all three places so up for

[19:59] Union so it's five chis Chris Chris did

[20:02] a presentation to on that and uh at the

[20:04] one meeting um the representative from

[20:05] Sun was there and she was going to

[20:08] um spread the word a little to goe so I

[20:12] was thinking like um this is probably

[20:14] going to be something that people will

[20:17] with our best efforts of kind of

[20:18] educating people and get trying to get

[20:20] the word out that we'll see the real you

[20:23] know once we start to implement it um

[20:26] then people will start saying oh I

[20:27] didn't you know I was unaware whatever

[20:29] but I think that's kind of just what the

[20:31] natural progression of this is going to

[20:32] be until people to it become kind of a

[20:34] norm so I was thinking um I don't know

[20:36] if this was discussed but you know

[20:39] something like um so as we begin to

[20:43] implement it we see that person has

[20:45] eight bags so it's you know a couple

[20:48] more bags than what they should have or

[20:49] you know eight or nine bags and it's

[20:50] like instead of maybe the violation at

[20:53] that point then maybe something goes in

[20:55] the door to say hey this is a almost

[20:57] like a warning well was to do a soft

[21:01] stop which we don't we we know

[21:03] implementing something like today we

[21:05] start running a bu violations isn't

[21:08] going to help um it'll be a soft start

[21:11] and there will probably be some just

[21:12] reminders okay they don't like alert you

[21:15] warnings but a reminder that you know

[21:17] City implemented a new garbage structure

[21:19] and you know it may take you know maybe

[21:23] 60 days or 90 days I don't know for

[21:25] people to acclimate it but we're not

[21:27] looking to just say starting today we're

[21:29] going to start writing all these

[21:30] violations of heights there's going to

[21:31] be a soft start um to bring this program

[21:34] on

[21:38] board Miss sorry thank you Mr chairman

[21:42] again my thoughts on this are the

[21:44] council can move in a timely manner we

[21:47] normally do the distribution of the

[21:49] garbage schedules on a voluntary or

[21:53] handout basis this year we would look to

[21:56] do a for of a direct mail or making sure

[22:01] not only the garbage schedule but the

[22:04] new criteria is delivered to each and

[22:07] every pickup point then as Paul's

[22:10] outline Mr Farley's talked about is

[22:12] doing almost a no penalty enforcement

[22:15] period so people might get some type of

[22:18] citation saying that you're doing this

[22:21] wrong but there's no penalty you've got

[22:24] to be in compliance and as he saying 60

[22:28] days days 90 days as we educate people

[22:31] and uh find tune the

[22:36] system thank you so I I I appreciate all

[22:39] the time that a lot of people have put

[22:41] into this and I will say that we're one

[22:43] of the only large municipalities in the

[22:45] area that hasn't implemented um some

[22:48] type of structure for uh putting bulk

[22:51] items out at the at the curb um when we

[22:54] were in these um talks I um always asked

[22:58] about the uh as I call them the

[22:59] connected2 family that are cut into uh

[23:02] two three four Apartments um and uh you

[23:06] know maybe only on the books as a two

[23:09] family um I I would really like to see

[23:12] some uh housing sales pulled and and and

[23:15] code just checking into um the amount of

[23:17] apartments that are in some of these

[23:19] buildings that are putting out a lot of

[23:22] excessive trash um another thing is you

[23:26] know we just had a holiday

[23:29] um last week so you get maybe an extra

[23:32] day of trash which flows into your seven

[23:36] bags now being 10 bags or whatever so um

[23:39] I had originally asked the committee for 10 bags and we kind of cut back on

[23:43] that um and as far as trash bags I mean

[23:46] we only use 13 galon trash cans in our bags in our kitchen but then you

[23:53] can put out 735 gallon bags but these

[23:56] are 13 G yes so there only the seven

[24:00] yeah it's listed on here seven 13 gallon

[24:02] bags I I thought I saw 35 okay so and

[24:06] again as as as I say I mean there's just

[24:08] two of us that live in my house and a

[24:10] lot of times I put out you know I have

[24:12] six just for two of us uh being that we

[24:15] cook all the time um and and we do

[24:17] create a a lot of trash um but I would

[24:20] like to see you know I I I don't want to

[24:22] see and I I'm not calling this people

[24:24] being penalized by any means but um you

[24:27] know and repeated at our meetings my

[24:29] mother-in-law put out a can of trash

[24:31] this big um as a single senior woman um

[24:34] and then if she wants to throw out a

[24:35] lamp she just you know they have to add

[24:37] to this I mean

[24:39] there's and I understand it needs to be

[24:42] done um I I understand if we addressed

[24:44] this last year um we wouldn't even be

[24:47] having this discussion because for 30

[24:49] some odd dollars per unit everything

[24:52] would still be being picked up um but I do realize the importance of of these

[24:58] bulk uh items being put out and a lot of

[25:03] individuals abusing the

[25:05] system and we would be cognizant of

[25:08] certain holidays and we know we know the

[25:10] month of November coming up people get

[25:12] confused there's four holidays and you

[25:14] know Thanksgiving is going to generate a

[25:16] lot of trash so there's some common

[25:19] sense that we have to use too um you

[25:21] know that you know on a Monday after the

[25:24] long than evening weekend if there's two

[25:26] extra bags I think you know

[25:29] we have to work things in a little

[25:30] differently but but I mean I I understand that all this we we

[25:37] worked it out over and over and over

[25:39] again in in our meetings and we we

[25:41] really tried um I also I also thought of

[25:45] scales uh on on trash trucks so when

[25:48] you're picking up a bulk curb side um

[25:53] you know it gets weighed and build out

[25:56] so I I I still think I and I know that

[25:59] you know we have we need to increase our

[26:01] Revenue but I I also think that there's

[26:03] still more that can be done on how we

[26:07] can put this out and and again it's not

[26:10] going to be fair for everyone I realize

[26:12] that but try to make

[26:16] it if I can here's two things the scales

[26:20] will never work no to to outfit the

[26:22] trucks our debt service would increase

[26:24] so much we have to raise a lot of rates

[26:26] to begin with okay and then trying to

[26:28] way everything that's on a curve we

[26:30] better double our overtime across the

[26:32] board and hope that they want to stay in

[26:34] work um it just uh you know logistically

[26:36] would not work on the side where the

[26:39] people who put out maybe one or two bags

[26:42] um again if you're in the suburbs you're

[26:45] going to buy one can that's what they're

[26:47] going to charge you for whether you put

[26:48] one bag in it or you put all seven bags

[26:50] in it you're going to pay there's got to

[26:52] be a a baseline to everything and um I

[26:56] appreciate the time you put in and and

[26:58] Mr mic who who worked in trash who was

[27:01] very knowledgeable we reached out to

[27:04] anyone who has uh U commercial

[27:08] um um suburbs who have it and you're

[27:11] right it's one can top Clos same with

[27:15] recycling um so I I I know that

[27:18] something needs to be implemented I do

[27:21] and

[27:23] um go ahead please so I'm glad you

[27:26] brought that up Mr Toro I was going to

[27:27] ask I imagine you were one of the the

[27:30] key people who are part of this

[27:32] committee from start to finish is that

[27:35] correct I started it yes and then with

[27:38] this proposal like you take credit and I

[27:41] do not take credit for this prop like

[27:44] your feedback and comments are reflect

[27:46] in this document is that not correct

[27:47] some of them are yes so I would say in

[27:49] some of your reservations are you not

[27:50] confident in what you presented I think

[27:52] that would be the cause for pause at

[27:54] least for myself so do you feel good

[27:56] with this I wasn't part of the final

[27:58] presentation that Mr Leon's been going

[28:00] to neighborhoods and presenting so there

[28:03] are maybe some of my ideas in there but

[28:06] no I am not presenting this to you Mr

[28:09] Willam so does this document not reflect

[28:11] the conversations that you initiated or

[28:14] I had part in some of these initiations

[28:17] I I again put 10 out 10 bags on the

[28:19] table versus seven um Miss Porterfield

[28:23] sat there uh for most of the meetings as

[28:25] well so yeah so of your discussions what

[28:28] percentage would you say this reflects

[28:30] those

[28:31] discussions um we talked about pricing

[28:34] for units on you know for whatever both

[28:38] might put out and again I brought

[28:39] forward constantly what I just brought

[28:41] forward again was the amount of

[28:44] apartments in the city that that aren't

[28:45] regulated that need to be looked into um

[28:48] so they're putting out you know three

[28:50] times the amount of trash uh I I always

[28:53] brought up my mother-in-law's little

[28:54] tiny can and now all of a sudden you

[28:56] know she might have a mattress that goes

[28:59] out and and and a couple of other things

[29:01] and she's at $50 or she begins to get

[29:03] her stickers now it's $100 when had we

[29:07] addressed this properly um I don't think

[29:11] we'd really be going through any of this

[29:13] and I appreciate you raising so getting

[29:15] into my two questions that was a good

[29:17] point so your comment was if we raised

[29:20] fees to the $35 that was proposed last

[29:22] year this would be a new point we

[29:24] wouldn't have to address this issue now

[29:26] I would say at this present time with

[29:28] the proposed fee increases there's been

[29:30] no push back at least from myself so

[29:33] would that not address this issue at

[29:34] least this year so wouldn't this not be

[29:37] a topic of concern based on your comment

[29:40] I'm sorry I don't understand your

[29:41] question if we raise fees is this an

[29:44] issue um how much are you proposing to

[29:46] raise the fees this year I would say the

[29:48] mayor proposed $52 per year which

[29:51] exceeds the $35 from last year so if

[29:54] we're trying to just repeat the cost of

[29:56] increasing municipal waste

[29:58] my concern is if you change too much we

[30:01] can't evaluate the efficacy of any one

[30:03] change so that's one of my cautions but

[30:06] then also to your other issue which I

[30:08] drew an issue to your rental

[30:09] certificates with families being

[30:12] miscategorized isn't there a considered

[30:14] effort from like code enforcement to

[30:15] make sure properties are what they say

[30:18] they are so if that's a concern I think

[30:20] that is also an area we need to make

[30:21] sure we address this to the point if

[30:25] buildings are misidentifying themselves

[30:28] we have to make sure we right side that

[30:31] issue well the buildings are not

[30:33] misidentified it's when people do the we

[30:36] Warrior thing and wejust their buildings

[30:39] to something we're not aware of and they

[30:40] don't come in and get their proper

[30:42] permits so we don't know what's like

[30:44] them so when they convert a a two unit

[30:46] to a three unit or a four unit we're not

[30:49] always made aware that not everybody

[30:51] comes to the City Hall against the

[30:53] building permit and follows the

[30:54] procedure and a couple of things is yes

[30:57] the

[30:59] you know if you if you rais the fee just

[31:01] across the board um that's going to

[31:04] address everybody pays the same you get

[31:06] you it's not going to address the people

[31:08] who are still taking advantage of it and

[31:10] putting out the big buls of trash the

[31:12] whole point of this is to address the

[31:14] people who are putting the excessive

[31:15] amount of trash out in the bulk items

[31:17] and they answer the question about a

[31:19] mattress I think for a hun you know I

[31:21] think the mattress on a queen says is

[31:22] $10 so you can put out a whole bedroom

[31:25] array for about $45

[31:29] and I don't know I don't buy new

[31:31] mattress every month but I don't buy a

[31:33] sofa every couple weeks so it's very you

[31:36] know most people keep these for 20 years

[31:39] um but again you have a a straight base

[31:42] feed adjustment and I as I spoke earlier

[31:45] we've seen an increase of a half a

[31:46] million dollars cuz just recycle we

[31:49] never paid for recycle we're paying a

[31:51] half a million now for just

[31:54] recycle so that might address some of

[31:57] our cost that are going up just

[31:59] naturally but we still have to address

[32:00] the cost of the people who are just

[32:02] putting out you know boatloads of

[32:04] material along their property and just

[32:07] paying a modest view for it and so just

[32:10] closing comment I think that's why it's

[32:11] important to be intentional with our

[32:12] words so the $35 increase proposed last

[32:15] year just raising that would not have

[32:17] addressed this

[32:18] issue it

[32:21] the me yeah I I you know until we get

[32:26] some data on what we're picking up we've

[32:27] never gathered data we pick up we do

[32:29] know that you know we call them you know

[32:31] the jackpots and the truck pulls up and

[32:33] it takes you know another truck to come

[32:35] over and syst

[32:37] so you know the whole point is

[32:39] addressing you know the people who are

[32:41] putting you know 15 20 bags and cans

[32:45] emptying their you know their rental

[32:47] units because somebody moved out but

[32:49] they don't want to pay for a dumpster

[32:50] they just put it outside cuz C he takes

[32:52] it for

[32:55] free well let's just be clear my

[32:57] proposal so last year's budget was a $52

[33:00] increase it was a dollar a week last

[33:02] year again we had to

[33:06] get uh people to continue to work

[33:10] here uh Jud with the council we gave the

[33:13] drivers pay raises to just stay

[33:15] competitive not only with other

[33:17] localities but with Private Industry and

[33:21] so there's an expense here and right now

[33:25] it's all random there is no way that I

[33:27] can manage this and build in operational

[33:30] efficiencies with the structure that's

[33:32] in place today and what is on the code

[33:34] what I've told you before it's in the

[33:37] code nobody in the city's compliant it's

[33:40] much easier to do the enforcement it's

[33:42] just $50 a day will be the fine

[33:45] basically for

[33:47] everybody my garbage is not

[33:50] compliant the code says clear bags I'm

[33:53] using white garbage bags I can't find

[33:56] clear bags

[33:58] and just to address it when this was

[34:00] brought to us um last year into the

[34:02] budget it was discussed as excessive

[34:05] garbage jackpot so it wasn't I don't

[34:10] think um we discussed all these um what

[34:13] we call it these bulk items here was

[34:16] discussed last year it's more of

[34:17] addressing excessive garbage last year

[34:20] and you're correct Mr Mard

[34:24] the jackpots is the staff coins to turn

[34:29] is a

[34:30] clear situation that has Universal

[34:34] acceptance those are wrong and incorrect

[34:39] but where do you draw the line it is a

[34:42] far more complex analysis from people

[34:45] who may only be putting out one or two

[34:47] bags there are people who do very good

[34:50] uh you know we don't do Source

[34:51] separation anymore but the single stream

[34:54] versus uh MSW and how do you put in

[34:58] place something that is fair Equitable

[35:01] and

[35:03] manageable so so um there's seven um CH

[35:07] gallons trash bag for one container so

[35:10] if I were to have two two cans out there

[35:12] with seven bags is that a violation

[35:14] would that be a violation well it's a

[35:15] single unit yeah you're you're either

[35:17] given you know seven bags tied sitting

[35:19] at the curb or one 45g can now you can

[35:23] take your seven bags and put it in the

[35:24] can if you want to keep a nice meat you

[35:26] know backyard

[35:28] and it's your choice I mean some people

[35:30] could fit maybe nine or 10 bags in in a can if they'll fill them all the

[35:33] way but it's it's either or it's 145g

[35:37] can or seven bags a lot of people don't

[35:39] cans they just bring their bags up they

[35:41] said I'm at the curb and if they're

[35:43] seven bags we're going to take of stole

[35:46] the discretion of the council there

[35:48] would be two

[35:50] cans one would be for MSW one would be

[35:53] for recycl what I was trying to get at

[35:55] if I I'm going to use myself as an

[35:57] example if I were to have two garbage

[35:59] can with seven bags one has four one has

[36:01] three in would that be compliance no in

[36:06] if if what you are looking at right now

[36:08] it's either or you get 145 gon can or

[36:11] seven bags or you double it or triple it

[36:14] for the units but after three units then

[36:17] it's a commercial City Cod okay go ahead

[36:20] please okay so I was thinking that maybe

[36:22] we need to make I think we're saying

[36:24] there's a an important distinction

[36:26] that's not being made here so I think

[36:28] last year if I remember the conversation

[36:31] correctly it was primarily around these

[36:33] jackpots and it was um um The View oh

[36:36] sorry sure no no what I remember so so

[36:40] um and it was it was primarily around

[36:42] the jackpots and but my uh my

[36:46] recollection it wasn't just me and other

[36:48] members of the council were saying well

[36:50] when you have people you know such as

[36:53] your mother-in-law who's putting out you

[36:54] know one bag of garbage you know pretty

[36:56] consistently maybe a lamp or something

[36:58] like that we don't want because the

[37:01] neighbor down the street is putting down

[37:03] a putting out a couch and 25 bags of

[37:05] garbage that shouldn't increase her

[37:08] because she's you know making reasonable

[37:11] Cho choices and you know we don't want

[37:13] to negatively impact um her as far as

[37:17] the jackpot so that's one issue then the

[37:19] other issue is just the increase of cost

[37:22] and the increase of Labor and that is

[37:24] something that will be addressed be via

[37:27] you know increasing the fees all across

[37:29] the board but I think that a lot of

[37:31] times in that conversations those issues

[37:33] were getting conflated and even maybe so

[37:35] now the point being that the fee

[37:37] structure is for is to try to manage

[37:41] some of these jackpots that's happening

[37:43] and then propos increases is for the

[37:46] general am I correct about that okay

[37:49] thank you the cost of the operation Pap

[37:51] garbage and tip fees fuel oil

[37:53] maintenance on the vehicles cost of new

[37:55] vehicles that all goes up our benefits

[37:58] go off the Union as the mayor spoke you

[38:01] know there were some increases to keep a

[38:02] competitive working in the trash it's a

[38:04] hard job they're out there no matter how

[38:06] cold it is how wet it is how much snow's

[38:08] on the ground um to get their pay up

[38:11] with regards to where it Us and other

[38:14] communities that covers that they see

[38:17] but now you got to look at the people

[38:19] who are increasing it even more because

[38:22] they're just taking advantage of what

[38:24] they're putting out there because right

[38:26] now it's there's no

[38:28] so to your point would know that

[38:30] wouldn't have addressed what we're

[38:31] talking about and I think so and the

[38:33] other thing is you know Mr turo I think

[38:36] you your concern around like the

[38:38] apartmentss and to your kind of Weekend

[38:40] Warriors I think one of the positive

[38:42] byproducts of this will be those places

[38:44] might be more easy to identify for C

[38:47] because now we'll pull up we say listen

[38:48] you got this is a two family house and

[38:50] you're giving me you know six units

[38:52] worth of trash you know that might be

[38:53] some indicators where we can start

[38:55] communicating maybe that makes us more

[38:56] effect move work more efficiently within

[38:58] our Cod Department nuisance officers

[39:00] will generate a notice and we can give

[39:03] it to codes to do an inspection to see

[39:05] that they put in extra two apartments

[39:06] that we wen't aware of there we go thank

[39:09] you and mayor whenever this is roll out

[39:12] we intend to have online service so

[39:14] people can purchase stickers online

[39:16] we're looking at all those scenarios

[39:18] would you maybe be able to purchase in

[39:20] local stores so there would be a

[39:22] neighborhood convenience uh one scenario

[39:25] is that we might mail out

[39:28] a couple of stickers to everybody at the

[39:30] beginning of the year so you get

[39:32] some uh there's an assumption you're

[39:34] going to have something that's going to

[39:36] exceed the limit that still the

[39:39] prerogative of the city council to

[39:41] actually Implement that or put it in

[39:43] code and then we'll manage it going

[39:46] forward go ahead please so mayor you

[39:49] brought this up about the flare and

[39:50] translation bags and I see that there's

[39:52] no change within the code but as you

[39:55] stated they're difficult to find so if

[39:58] we're going to do this I I think that we need to also address the part of the

[40:02] code that can't that can't that people

[40:05] can't comply with because they don't

[40:06] have the ability to comply with as

[40:08] opposed to changing all this and then

[40:09] somebody puts it out in the black bag

[40:11] they're like well it's not clear not

[40:12] only do you have eight they're black so

[40:14] we would need to address that part of

[40:16] the code to um section

[40:19] 1614h number one uh there's that and

[40:22] then um Mr lefon you said that we never

[40:24] collected data on this so

[40:27] how how is it that we're coming to this

[40:30] without ever having ever having

[40:31] collected data and um similar to what

[40:35] Mr uh Mr manini T the other day did we

[40:38] do a cost benefit analysis because now

[40:40] we're talking about putting the stickers

[40:42] in stores we're talking about increasing

[40:45] staff time to do some things one of them

[40:46] is counting bags I know it's nuisance

[40:49] officers but still that's an added um

[40:51] responsibility that they don't currently

[40:53] have so is this going to is it are we

[40:56] getting it more than we're putting out

[40:58] in terms of this no I think no matter

[41:01] what we do we're going to benefit going

[41:02] forward because right now we're not

[41:04] doing

[41:05] anything so you know you look at you

[41:08] know data we'll start looking at data

[41:11] because now we're we we we know that

[41:14] when we're out you know we have

[41:16] everybody's sing you know the excessive

[41:18] waste has certain you know properties

[41:20] here and there all throughout the city

[41:22] every

[41:23] neighborhood you know we don't record it

[41:25] but as we start doing this you know

[41:27] there will be that because people will

[41:29] be coming in and buying it we'll know

[41:30] now if somebody is you know in violation

[41:33] or needs to get a warning notice um we

[41:35] can start keeping track of it um but

[41:39] again it's just been you know a rule of

[41:42] the city that if it's on

[41:43] the you know now we know what we're

[41:46] taking is six bags or 145 gallon can and

[41:50] you know since the stuff will be paid

[41:52] through you know uh munist or municity

[41:55] um it'll be tracked so when people come

[41:57] in for for tickets we'll know hey we we

[41:59] sold X number of um tickets and the

[42:01] revenue was this but we don't know now

[42:03] when we pull up the guys go out they

[42:06] want to get the job done they're putting

[42:07] the bags in they're putting B items in

[42:09] they're putting you know you'd be amazed

[42:11] at how much um little child Furniture we

[42:14] get once children outow the little tiny

[42:17] top stuff the plastic stuff just goes

[42:19] out on the curve and it's just going

[42:20] into the trash um you know it just it

[42:23] just goes as normal day trash we don't C every item we're picking

[42:29] up and to address your point if you turn

[42:32] to the next page um on the draft

[42:35] legislation and right almost in the

[42:37] middle of the first

[42:39] page um your point is addressed there in

[42:41] terms of the um plastic bags it's being

[42:45] renamed it's still in there we didn't

[42:47] there was no suggestion for changing

[42:48] that there is a suggestion here on the

[42:52] line B in plastic Refuge B section two

[42:56] yes clear or trans refuse B we go down

[42:58] to the underlying section

[43:01] one all residential solid

[43:05] ways it's in that section there so it

[43:08] doesn't have to be clear any longer that

[43:10] is correct as for this dra

[43:13] so there was some I thought I heard

[43:15] somebody say

[43:16] something well so now we are going to a

[43:20] public heing this yeah I will just ask

[43:22] mrri just brief us on the on the draft

[43:25] here so that we can we have question I

[43:28] do have one other question um and

[43:31] obviously I'm not remember correctly I

[43:32] thought that we settled on 32 gallon but

[43:36] it's 45 45 and is there in terms of the

[43:41] staff and we you talk to be4 about the

[43:44] you know how heavy it could be and if it

[43:46] rains and stuff gets inside so people

[43:49] have to

[43:50] have cans that have tops right but we we

[43:54] prefer cans to have tops but we all know

[43:56] that LDS disappear

[43:57] um windy days we know and the one thing

[44:00] with trash bags when they're tied and

[44:03] the trash is in them they they stay in

[44:05] the bag the problem is we have a lot of

[44:07] Home properties that put their trash out

[44:09] then they carry the loose trash and set

[44:11] on top of the bag going in a hurry just

[44:13] blown down you know it's just you know

[44:15] we talk about in our meetings it's the

[44:17] same cardboard our code says cardboard

[44:19] supposed to be broken down and tied

[44:22] mhm I probably got just as many

[44:25] violations as we did with no clear bags

[44:27] um you know with the amount of boxes

[44:29] people receive now through Amazon and

[44:31] everything else they're just putting you

[44:33] know boxes on the curtain they're all over the place I mean you

[44:37] know we want to Pride ourself on the

[44:39] city we want to be you know as clean as

[44:42] we can be and we've got to start

[44:44] somewhere and one of it is we put out

[44:46] the trash shouldn't be tied Force the

[44:50] Cod should be in bags or going to use a

[44:52] can the top should be on it U but we got

[44:55] to prevent the lit from just rolling

[45:01] and cardboard is not part of this new

[45:03] free structure well cardboard is not

[45:05] cardboard is considered rable and but in

[45:08] the city code it's supposed to be broken

[45:09] down made Flat and tight and we all know

[45:12] going down the street and yard was is

[45:15] not part of this also yard waste is just

[45:16] strictly yard waste we continue to pick

[45:18] up yard waste and buy varable bags SE

[45:21] says um to the mons that's listed in the

[45:23] city c um that goes to the count um yard

[45:27] facility you know there are fees

[45:29] involved with that we don't we don't

[45:30] dispose of our stuff there for

[45:34] free uh just one of my final comments uh

[45:37] I appreciate the presentation and the

[45:38] dialogue around the table sincerely um I

[45:40] think my biggest concern is just having

[45:43] in adverse impacts on um disadvantaged

[45:46] um households for U frequently dis

[45:49] disenfranchised I think My worry is

[45:51] again to Mr Toro's point like I I can

[45:54] actually speak for myself there are some

[45:55] Le where you have a lot of bags other

[45:57] weeks where you don't and my fear is who

[46:00] was that discretion up to if the focus

[46:03] is on jackpots so I don't know if

[46:05] there's a way to write in to legislation

[46:07] our Focus area is on the excessive 12 to

[46:10] 15 range however to mayor's point we

[46:13] need to actually Define what is

[46:14] appropriate but I'm in agreement with

[46:16] having a no penalty enforcement I think

[46:18] there also needs to make there needs to

[46:20] be a considered effort with how do we

[46:22] get feedback from the community um so I

[46:24] think we need to uh focus on that uh as well I give you an

[46:29] example my sons live outside the city

[46:32] and they have you know one can for

[46:34] recycle one private pickup he's got too

[46:37] much garbage stays in the garage because

[46:39] next week he hopefully doesn't have as

[46:41] much and he goes into the camp um you

[46:43] know it's how it's done outside it's in a private sector private world

[46:48] you know I got four extra bags well I

[46:50] know he's not going to take it I leave

[46:53] it next to can they help get out because

[46:54] they have the war on them truck so it

[46:57] stays an extra week and he gets it in um

[47:01] you know I

[47:01] mean we have a rule if if it's designed

[47:05] on and we sort of stick by the best we

[47:07] can you know there is a soft start um

[47:11] but you know if you start letting

[47:13] everybody go it's two bags this week

[47:15] well it's three next week then I don't

[47:17] know goe I'm sorry I'll shut up after

[47:21] this I

[47:22] promise I I would push back on that and

[47:25] say it's a privilege to have a garage um

[47:27] and then also just my comment for the

[47:29] record would be I'm strongly opposed to

[47:32] based on my one I will agly Define on

[47:35] comment my one ride along with the uh

[47:38] Municipal Solid Waste crew I will never

[47:40] do another one again I SW for weeks what

[47:43] they do is impactful and it is not easy

[47:45] um I am opposed to any additional work

[47:47] being attributed to them what our

[47:49] loaders and drivers do already please

[47:51] correct me if I'm wrong it is laborous

[47:53] for a reason and I would want their

[47:56] focus to be on

[47:57] loading the trash and driving those

[47:59] Vehicles safely and soundly and I think

[48:01] we identify any other administrative

[48:03] work to go to that that could alter that

[48:06] the administrative work um you

[48:09] know they're picking it up now so

[48:12] whether they pick up seven bags and if

[48:14] that's what is decided with the council

[48:16] pick up the seven bags going if

[48:18] nothing's done and they go to the house

[48:20] and there's 47 bags and three counes

[48:22] they're going to pick it up anyway

[48:23] because that's what we do um the

[48:25] administrative were the guys picking up

[48:27] that work like doing administrative work

[48:28] I have four supervisors and I have four

[48:31] nuisance officers and if we're running

[48:33] short I'm out there Mr one is out there

[48:37] um but we have management staff that's

[48:39] out there to assist these issues

[48:42] document thingses um the burden wouldn't

[48:44] be on the drivers or the labor loaders

[48:46] that are actually loading the garbage

[48:47] start start taking pictures and you know

[48:50] adding another they've got a l like you

[48:53] said and they work very hard to do what

[48:54] they do thank you I'll

[48:58] I I I just want to be clear that I know

[49:00] this is necessary

[49:03] um and uh to make a point of uh

[49:06] commercial uh trash pickup uh my

[49:10] daughter's friend that took her almost a

[49:12] month to get rid of her uh children's

[49:15] boxes from Christmas last year because

[49:17] she had to you know break everything

[49:19] down put in the garage fill the can you

[49:23] know the next week whatever whatever so we've been very fortunate

[49:27] um up to this point of being able to to

[49:30] get rid of all of our trash in the way

[49:32] that we have but again um we need to be

[49:35] start start being uh you know a little

[49:38] bit more conservative and and um maybe

[49:42] even uh little uh piles in our yard

[49:45] compost piles of food scraps um things

[49:48] like that so um again it's it's now one

[49:51] thing I think some of you come back to

[49:53] me and said that they've seen an

[49:54] improvement based on our nuisance office

[49:56] is going out and addressing the early

[49:58] hours absolutely and the reason we saw

[50:01] that Improvement is we've been writing

[50:04] violations because you know we write

[50:06] them and people are being educated that

[50:10] it's got to be 2:00 or

[50:14] later just follow to Mr Williams

[50:18] Point his points which are correct but I

[50:23] believe that as we go through this it's

[50:26] actually going to reduce our waste

[50:27] stream because today we have so many

[50:29] people that are taking advantage of it

[50:31] because there are no rules in place and

[50:34] again I'm trying to not do too much at

[50:39] once even though we had a robust

[50:42] discussion a year ago about this if you

[50:44] go back the prior year in my budget

[50:47] message I again referenced jackpots in

[50:51] that so it's been two years to get us to

[50:53] this point if we go to and I'm not

[50:57] suggesting this it's just hypothetically

[50:59] that some Community might want to go to

[51:01] standardized sizes for

[51:04] cans and then we can automate the arms

[51:07] on the garbage

[51:08] trucks which uh other municipalities

[51:12] were they've done that reduces their

[51:14] workman's comp

[51:15] cases and so it's how do you again build

[51:18] that efficiency in have rules in place

[51:21] that make sense to people and we really

[51:25] still have a uh a great system here the

[51:29] transfer station the city owns and we uh

[51:32] have advantaged by an outside contractor

[51:35] is available for people uh not only

[51:38] within the city but in the region who

[51:40] can go and dump there so if you have uh

[51:44] MSW you can go in uh if you have cndd

[51:47] material you can go in and then there

[51:49] are also private companies immediately

[51:51] adjacent to that site who do a lot of

[51:54] recycling so if somebody has paper if

[51:57] they have metal Goods so they can go

[51:59] down there and actually get a little bit

[52:01] of money for uh the material that

[52:04] otherwise might just be treated solely

[52:06] as

[52:09] garbage I just ask Mr Brian just a brief

[52:12] us on the

[52:14] dra I know there there's been a lot of

[52:16] comparison to the suburbs versus the

[52:18] city but an urban area versus suburbs

[52:21] most of the people out there are

[52:22] homeowners we're we're dealing with a

[52:24] lot of renters in the city so I don't

[52:26] know that can necessarily kind to try to

[52:29] um apply the same thing but I mean I

[52:31] live in I don't have a garage people in

[52:32] the city do but and maybe many people

[52:34] that are homeowners in suburbs and

[52:36] surrounding areas have garages that

[52:38] doesn't apply so I want to be careful

[52:40] that we're not trying to compare

[52:42] ourselves to a municipality or a

[52:44] surrounding area even within the SK

[52:46] County that this it's not going to be

[52:48] the same kind of

[52:51] thing I was sitting here at the

[52:53] inspection report since the mayor

[52:55] mentioned the transfer station the state

[52:56] inspected our transfer station today and

[52:59] um it was all satisfactory no violations

[53:03] and nothing there so our contract

[53:05] operator trans

[53:10] station I I do want to say that uh the

[53:13] city of Troy did buy chance for every

[53:16] resident um you know oh yeah so the city

[53:22] no no no I I know we're not suggesting

[53:24] that but we did have AR funds but again

[53:27] their trucks now can uh use the one arm

[53:30] to to empty things and and I know Mr

[53:32] Leon reached out to troit again and the

[53:34] committee we we did reach out to every

[53:36] municipality that was Amsterdam Troy UDA

[53:39] um H just just recently so again we're we're moving in in a direction

[53:46] where you know we need to go um but I

[53:48] think there's a little bit of work that

[53:49] the council can still do so and that's

[53:52] why we're here we're here discussing it

[53:54] to move forward because um it's added in

[53:56] the 2025 budget the revenue associ with

[54:00] this increase Mr Brian can you just

[54:02] brief us on on the changes of draft

[54:04] legislation

[54:06] um thank you Mr chairman uh in your

[54:09] packets this week uh you've gotten a

[54:12] rough rough outline working draft of the

[54:14] sections of the code there's going to be

[54:16] various sections of the code that

[54:17] they're going to have to be uh amended

[54:20] the new materials underlined at the

[54:22] bracket materials taken out um we've

[54:24] already talked about the size of it the

[54:26] garbage cans and the plastic bags um

[54:30] based on follow Mr fund mentioned

[54:33] earlier and the concerns council members

[54:36] um there's a 164-1 n it's not all the

[54:39] way in there but it's uh penalties for

[54:42] offenses subdivision one that will be a

[54:45] grace period uh following the effective

[54:47] date of the amendments to this chapter

[54:49] this is language that was in the

[54:50] original chapter 161 when they enacted

[54:54] it there was a there was a vision of a

[54:56] grace period put in the original chapter

[54:59] 161 um this is um going along with that

[55:03] uh the original uh 161 grace period but

[55:06] updating it uh when there shall be only

[55:09] a verbal written warnings issued to

[55:11] violators of this chapter during this

[55:12] time period from the effective date of

[55:14] the Amendments which would be January 1

[55:17] uh uh to the enforcement date of April

[55:19] 1st there shall be an intensive program

[55:21] of notification education on amended uh

[55:24] procedures and Associated fees

[55:27] so it's mandating the city to go through

[55:29] a a procedure for the first four you

[55:31] know 3 months uh uh before any sort of

[55:35] enforcements going in and that's really

[55:37] language that was from the original

[55:38] chapter 161 when that was enacted so

[55:41] just updating that and applying it to

[55:43] this particular case it was en Vision

[55:45] when this uh this chapter was put in

[55:49] that there would be a it would have to

[55:51] be an education perod and that's just

[55:53] updating it for these

[55:54] amendments um

[55:57] as uh also we're looking at various

[56:01] sections of

[56:02] 161 D Article Five is really the fee

[56:06] based uh system of collection of solid

[56:09] waste and recyclables Article Five of

[56:11] chapter 161 is the the fee schedule that

[56:14] we've been discussing as far as the fees

[56:17] to all residencies this is kind of this

[56:20] is uh going into greater detail than and it's in there right now besides

[56:25] going once again for the sides of the

[56:27] cans and the the plastic bags it is

[56:32] trying to wrap it my it is dealing with

[56:35] that issue of excess res residential

[56:39] Solid Waste or bulky items it's it's

[56:41] dealing with the if it's more than what

[56:44] it is said here then it's then those

[56:47] fees will be in place those stickers

[56:51] will be required so um that is said

[56:56] setting forth was the schedule um

[56:59] dealing with the the schedules we saw

[57:01] separately that are also part of this um

[57:03] Furniture couches

[57:05] Etc um and then Property Owners May

[57:09] purchase excess uh residential Solid

[57:12] Waste stickers to fix to their items

[57:14] there was a discussion of $5 per sticker

[57:16] that's just a that's in there if the

[57:19] council wants to change it that's up to

[57:21] then stickers will be available at the

[57:23] city clerk's office and the department

[57:25] General Services office

[57:26] right now that's just for discussion

[57:29] purposes if everybody's okay with that

[57:32] as we go forward that can stay in there

[57:35] um and then each property owner be

[57:37] issued free excess residential solid

[57:39] voice stickers each calendar year once

[57:41] again that can be adjusted that's just

[57:44] you know for discussion purposes if you

[57:45] want to come back and amend it

[57:50] um and then it goes through other

[57:53] sections that are not being amended and

[57:55] then dealing with the issue is of uh the

[57:57] depositing of public collection for

[58:00] public collection of solid waste not

[58:01] originating in the city shall be

[58:03] considered an unclassified misdemeanor

[58:05] that's under

[58:07] 16126 penalties for offenses creating a

[58:10] new paragraph D indicating that if that

[58:13] is done then there'll be a fine up to

[58:16] $1,000 or up to 100 day 180 days per per

[58:21] occurrence so that's upping the the

[58:24] people who may be bringing trash you

[58:28] putting the penalty to that

[58:30] particular uh

[58:32] violation so the way ahead the way ahead

[58:35] is you've got a working draft in front

[58:37] of you you've got the permits uh the the

[58:39] schedule of fees that Mr lefon uh gave

[58:43] you last week as well you can call for a

[58:45] public hearing which would be on uh

[58:47] November 12th Tuesday November 12th if

[58:50] you put it on for these this working

[58:53] draft plus the the schedule of fees that

[58:56] fond put together can be posted on the

[58:59] city's website for for comment so at

[59:02] that public hearing on the

[59:04] 12th um you that would be the time

[59:07] period for public comments on this at

[59:10] Citywide and then this would come back

[59:12] to the uh committee uh for final action

[59:18] uh so uh that's the way ahead um this is

[59:21] just a working draft it's it's it's

[59:24] indicating those areas of the code that

[59:26] need to be changed and uh and dealing

[59:30] with the plastic bags and the excess

[59:32] solid waste and the fee schedule and uh

[59:35] so really based on that it's it's a it's a public hearing on this on the

[59:41] fees and then any sort of amendments

[59:44] changes whatever you know after the

[59:47] public hearing you can adjust

[59:50] accordingly Mr I just want to touch on

[59:53] 16124 um the U EX sorry 25

[1:00:01] exemptions yeah those exemptions are not

[1:00:03] being changed the exemptions that are in

[1:00:06] the current ordinates are not being

[1:00:10] changed so any person because of age or

[1:00:14] disability etc those the exemptions that

[1:00:17] are in the C current uh code are not

[1:00:19] being

[1:00:20] changed um so uh that was the original

[1:00:25] uh section was put into place when the

[1:00:27] uh the garbage fees as a separate item

[1:00:31] in the in the in the city budget was

[1:00:32] created back some years ago so that was

[1:00:35] the original language

[1:00:40] so any question go ahead please so in

[1:00:43] the um in the changes that you

[1:00:44] highlighted in in in that are

[1:00:46] highlighted in yellow so we're talking

[1:00:48] about seven days right seven seven is

[1:00:51] the number now that was that was the

[1:00:53] consensus once again that you can have

[1:00:56] that's just is a proposal that's a

[1:00:58] proposal and that can Beed it says six

[1:01:00] in here that's my point

[1:01:02] okay

[1:01:03] that's and in the places where it talks

[1:01:06] about it it says that they first of all

[1:01:07] that there could be two containers and

[1:01:09] my understanding that can only be one

[1:01:11] and then it says that um no more than

[1:01:13] six plastic bags so I just want to make

[1:01:14] sure if we're putting this out for

[1:01:16] public hearing that it's consistent to

[1:01:19] what we're

[1:01:20] discussing residential Solid Waste shall

[1:01:22] be placed in no more than two containers

[1:01:24] and no more than seven 13 gon bags with

[1:01:28] and then go further down it says six

[1:01:31] which which one on page 74 it says

[1:01:34] residential child is not fitting within

[1:01:37] the containers or six

[1:01:42] [Music]

[1:01:46] classif no more than

[1:01:48] seven more

[1:01:51] than oh okay the typo got it and and

[1:01:56] when it appears again on page 75 it's

[1:01:59] the same it's the same paragraph okay

[1:02:01] got it thank

[1:02:02] you so so just going back Mr to the to

[1:02:06] the question I asked you where we said

[1:02:08] 145 gallon 7 13 gallons of trash but if

[1:02:12] you go to the underlining section here

[1:02:15] section two it says two

[1:02:17] containers and was the reason why I as

[1:02:19] that it's it's 145 145 so we'll need to

[1:02:24] um you know or we to Define it as a

[1:02:27] separate container for your recycl yeah

[1:02:29] so you just want to have one container

[1:02:31] that's solid that's we're having this

[1:02:34] discussion sh with no more than two

[1:02:36] containers so it's we need to change

[1:02:38] that to one container which number well

[1:02:40] it's one is for MSW is

[1:02:43] for a solid yeah but we should St we

[1:02:48] want one container Rec one for okay so

[1:02:52] we might have to Define change that

[1:02:57] page 76 just to no just to be CU

[1:03:02] recycles a different we just want to

[1:03:04] make sure we just want to stay with

[1:03:05] solid W yeah

[1:03:09] okay goe last on the same page 76 last

[1:03:13] very last sentence yes I should read fee

[1:03:17] $15 and then in parentheses yes thank

[1:03:21] you right at the bottom1 91 15 thank you

[1:03:26] that would that was a holding placeold

[1:03:29] that can be

[1:03:31] deleted okay so we'll make not of those

[1:03:35] um minor

[1:03:38] Corrections align with us go ahead

[1:03:40] please and then recommendation on page

[1:03:42] 75 I know it outlines that there will be

[1:03:44] a grace period of 90 days can we also

[1:03:47] include that we oversee a presentation a

[1:03:50] report I think hearing what the nuisance

[1:03:53] officers are seeing in the city would

[1:03:55] help guide our recommendation whether to

[1:03:57] proceed or

[1:03:58] not do you want a report on

[1:04:02] that um

[1:04:05] Council we can put that in there I mean

[1:04:07] that's no big what and there should be a

[1:04:09] report from

[1:04:11] the presented by the council by March

[1:04:16] 30th i i i a mail with that report that

[1:04:20] we received last week when we doing

[1:04:22] budget may have mention that that report

[1:04:24] can be available every month to us well

[1:04:28] that's the city if you want a specific

[1:04:30] one performance here we do it I don't

[1:04:36] know I don't if I want it by the end of

[1:04:38] March probably go to April or May so we

[1:04:44] have some soft enforcement may we'

[1:04:47] actually started the for

[1:04:54] enforcement thank you any other question

[1:04:57] on the draft

[1:04:59] legislation the changes uh that was

[1:05:02] suggested are not to it so Mr Ryan is

[1:05:04] going to make um those

[1:05:06] changes that will be amended and then

[1:05:09] sent out to and then posted City close

[1:05:13] to

[1:05:14] the any other question on this I do see

[1:05:18] some clarity around the the the 45

[1:05:20] gallons versus the 75

[1:05:23] lb prob you go to the matter expert on

[1:05:28] that have you had a chance to look at

[1:05:32] that we we do have the 75 lbs in there

[1:05:36] and that goes back from years ago just

[1:05:37] to try and prevent injuries with the

[1:05:39] guys with the bags most of the time you

[1:05:42] know the guys going to pull the BS out

[1:05:44] the sometimes they gra out the camp and

[1:05:47] some guys want to get them quicker some

[1:05:48] guys take their time a little bit a

[1:05:50] little more safer um you know again if

[1:05:53] you're if you're doing seven bags

[1:05:56] and each bag is I don't know 15 lb or lb

[1:06:00] they all the one can it's going to

[1:06:02] exceed 75 lb okay and object is you just

[1:06:05] take the bags out of the can that's what

[1:06:06] we do now um it gets a

[1:06:09] little spicy when you put pounds in

[1:06:12] something or bags in something you know

[1:06:14] everybody you know somebody may have a

[1:06:16] lot of just light garbage it's light

[1:06:18] somebody may have a lot of heavy garbage

[1:06:19] a lot of people pick up their yards from

[1:06:22] their dogs they heavy garbage

[1:06:28] all right any other question of this all

[1:06:31] right so we have some you will receive

[1:06:34] the amended version with those um

[1:06:36] recommended changes so we need to call

[1:06:38] for a public hearing uh for November

[1:06:41] 12th council meeting motion to call for

[1:06:44] a public

[1:06:45] hearing all in favor thank you um thank

[1:06:49] you thank you

[1:06:51] [Music]

[1:06:57] the next item is a reminder amending

[1:07:00] section

[1:07:01] 15191

[1:07:03] 1382

[1:07:04] 13823

[1:07:07] 13843

[1:07:09] 15714 183 d10 to 10-14 of the city

[1:07:14] ofcity code related to the increase in

[1:07:17] set fees and adapting the building

[1:07:22] code related to the increase set Fe

[1:07:24] adoped building code administrative fee

[1:07:26] schedule person section

[1:07:28] 137-7

[1:07:30] 13821 and

[1:07:33] 1381 that one of the connected DD Cod

[1:07:37] public hearing is scheduled for October

[1:07:40] 28th this is just a

[1:07:43] reminder the public here will be on the

[1:07:45] October 28th next

[1:07:49] Monday the next item is

[1:07:51] review the 2025 proposed operating

[1:07:54] budget and capital budget for the city

[1:07:56] of conc we had a public hearing on

[1:07:59] October the

[1:08:02] 15th are there any question related to

[1:08:04] that we still have ongoing um budget um

[1:08:07] discussion will continue um this

[1:08:10] evening any question on this no question

[1:08:13] just want to be noted we did have four

[1:08:14] speakers at the public hearing okay any

[1:08:18] other

[1:08:20] comment the next item is review to amend

[1:08:25] section

[1:08:25] 124-133 and 12422 of the city connected

[1:08:29] city code increase administrative fee

[1:08:31] regarding Force alarm call we had a

[1:08:34] public Hearing in October the 15th are

[1:08:37] there any question related to this

[1:08:40] item no public hearing yes noted any

[1:08:45] question seeing none I will call for a

[1:08:48] motion to move this item

[1:08:51] forward wait one

[1:08:53] second that was the the discussion that

[1:08:56] we were still waiting to get feedback

[1:08:58] from police department on what these

[1:09:00] specifically identify for the

[1:09:03] warnings I thought we we received

[1:09:08] that for clarification purposes did we

[1:09:10] actually attribute a number to that I

[1:09:12] know we reduce the amount of warnings

[1:09:14] they would get what's the question I'm

[1:09:18] sorry

[1:09:19] please if you don't mind um Mr William

[1:09:22] just repeat the question I think we had

[1:09:24] the documents here to it

[1:09:26] from from

[1:09:28] EX four to

[1:09:30] two and then I again I got the

[1:09:33] discussion that Miss Patrick and I have

[1:09:35] were attributing like additional fees to

[1:09:37] increase the number of warnings um if

[1:09:39] Miss Patrick still

[1:09:41] isn't wanting to do that also I would

[1:09:44] want to proceed but I think it was we

[1:09:46] were going from 4 to2 which was an

[1:09:48] additional cost savings and then I can

[1:09:51] only speak for myself wanting to raise

[1:09:53] those attributing fees for like

[1:09:55] violation the second violation the third

[1:09:57] violation because as we identified the uh physical and just the opportunity

[1:10:04] cost of sending a response team has an

[1:10:06] exorbitant like Financial implication on

[1:10:08] the city so although we'll neverly

[1:10:10] approve that I at least think it's more

[1:10:14] than

[1:10:15] $25 that was the

[1:10:17] compensation so I I would love your

[1:10:19] recommendation if you have one of how to

[1:10:21] proceed but I think outside just

[1:10:22] arbitrarily just applying a a number to

[1:10:25] it I know that's where I stud I don't

[1:10:27] know laid

[1:10:32] out no there's a schedule for that laid

[1:10:35] out in the attachment 25 for first

[1:10:38] persistent 50 for the second 75 for the

[1:10:40] third 125 for each and every subsequent

[1:10:44] persistent false

[1:10:46] alarm and I think when we discuss this

[1:10:48] we looking at yes the Reven is going to

[1:10:49] go up because we're reducing it from 4

[1:10:51] to two so by having four alarm that is

[1:10:55] free now you're going to have two so

[1:10:56] you're you're increase your Revenue by

[1:10:58] two years so you would say the cost of

[1:11:00] sending two patrol cars of fire brick is

[1:11:05] $25 well I think this this this is

[1:11:08] specific to Burg alarms though perhaps

[1:11:11] I'm speaking out of terms because um

[1:11:14] speaking out of turn rather because I

[1:11:16] don't know that uh fire alarms are

[1:11:20] considered a false alarm and I should

[1:11:22] probably stop there I don't know this is

[1:11:24] just

[1:11:26] yeah but still my point is like there is

[1:11:29] a we have to send a response and that

[1:11:32] response has to be worth more than

[1:11:35] $25 and then even getting ear $25 I

[1:11:39] think if it requires three instances to

[1:11:41] get to that rate I think that is too

[1:11:43] many attempts even with the reduction to

[1:11:47] 21s I would appreciate

[1:11:50] recommendation yeah you know the

[1:11:52] officer's time certainly valuable often

[1:11:55] times times the fees would come um after

[1:11:58] hours if you will so even on the

[1:12:00] midnight shift so uh call volume is

[1:12:03] generally lower on those

[1:12:05] shifts you know we get into the argument

[1:12:08] I guess is two false alarms is not a lot

[1:12:12] especially in in a 12 month period so if

[1:12:15] you make it so drastic I guess you get

[1:12:17] into this you know the third alarm $300

[1:12:21] you know is that is that is that too

[1:12:23] much you know that's you guys who

[1:12:25] perhaps think about but I love the idea

[1:12:28] of reducing it from from four free to

[1:12:30] two free um and again is the real

[1:12:34] persistent ones that occupy a tremendous

[1:12:36] amount of our time that is annoying so

[1:12:38] an the teer system perhaps would would

[1:12:41] address that and kind of make it more

[1:12:44] Equitable for those who because they we

[1:12:46] go there maybe once you know for false

[1:12:51] alarm thank you so I lot of these might

[1:12:55] be like small businesses restaurants

[1:12:57] bars things like that that close up and

[1:12:59] something happens so um and the police

[1:13:01] you know come and check it out so I

[1:13:03] think um you know after two calls and

[1:13:06] realizing they have to pay 25 I think

[1:13:08] they're going to probably reach out to

[1:13:09] their alarm company and have them come

[1:13:11] and tweak it and make sure that

[1:13:12] everything is you know Qui aesthetic uh

[1:13:15] as far as you know triggering how these

[1:13:17] alarms are being triggered and things so

[1:13:20] um so I just wanted to add that

[1:13:29] just council members concerns we dealt

[1:13:34] with it with two false alarms but then

[1:13:35] there was a discussion I recall that there was a discussion that they're

[1:13:39] supposed to come back regarding the the

[1:13:41] fees CU right now those fees that are

[1:13:43] highlighted is 2550 75 they're

[1:13:46] highlighted but not changed because we

[1:13:48] were waiting for that number um that's

[1:13:53] so with that mind um you could table

[1:13:58] this until two weeks and and you know

[1:14:01] the effective date would still be

[1:14:02] January 1st to get that full report but

[1:14:06] it my recollection that's okay I didn't

[1:14:07] put any new numbers into that part of

[1:14:10] the the proposed ordinance because that

[1:14:12] we didn't get there was a do out from

[1:14:15] the the PD regarding additional numbers

[1:14:18] that was my

[1:14:21] recollection essentially comparing other

[1:14:23] municipalities and with their R are is

[1:14:25] that is that what we're asking for just

[1:14:27] kind of figuring it out for the first

[1:14:28] second and third right now it's 2550 and

[1:14:31] how far how far to increase those

[1:14:33] particular fees the more accurately

[1:14:35] reflect the cost of the calls right so

[1:14:38] right now they're at 2550 and 75

[1:14:41] so that was the that was the discussion

[1:14:44] and and

[1:14:47] that's that I thought Chief Whipple was

[1:14:51] doing some of that and he was out of

[1:14:53] town for few

[1:14:56] days and I thought we're going to try

[1:14:59] and have a parallel for both police and

[1:15:01] fire so that the Fe structure would be

[1:15:04] the same there

[1:15:06] are this was primarily focused on barcel

[1:15:09] with regards to the police but we can

[1:15:11] look at that also too I don't have an

[1:15:14] issue table this for two weeks and come

[1:15:15] back and then we can update the fees

[1:15:17] because I think um yes the Fe needs to

[1:15:20] be

[1:15:20] addressed so um go ahead please and I

[1:15:23] just would like to know if um when we

[1:15:25] come back in two weeks if we have should

[1:15:26] have a number of like for 20 23 number

[1:15:30] of f alarms that you that the

[1:15:33] um yeah I'm certain that Chief have had

[1:15:37] numbers those numb were provided to us

[1:15:40] we just need to go back and our

[1:15:41] documents and if not we'll ask for

[1:15:43] updated um report um so to be

[1:15:47] clear are you asking that we look to see

[1:15:50] what other municipality fees are is

[1:15:53] that no we're ask for an updated um I

[1:15:56] think the ask is for an updated report

[1:15:58] to see where we are in terms of

[1:16:00] collection 2023 collection and how many

[1:16:03] number how many how many actual false

[1:16:05] alarms did we have in 2023 do we have we

[1:16:09] have a budget number for 23 for I'm not

[1:16:13] sure that's doesn't reflect the number

[1:16:17] all right we can hold this we still have

[1:16:19] time on our side and this is going to

[1:16:22] implement um January um we may have it

[1:16:26] right

[1:16:27] here if you just want the number but

[1:16:30] again my recollection is some of the

[1:16:34] filling both the police and fire

[1:16:36] department is not absolute

[1:16:39] so really reflect what the real problem

[1:16:44] is and I always say with level of humor

[1:16:49] and also being serious is that her

[1:16:52] burglar alarms is the worst day is

[1:16:55] during a thunderstorm you get high wind

[1:16:58] stuff goes through uh the alarms trip

[1:17:01] and there's no way that we can actually

[1:17:03] follow up on

[1:17:04] each call that comes

[1:17:12] in go ahead

[1:17:15] please

[1:17:17] oh sorry I know over don't do

[1:17:22] that um we do have some num

[1:17:26] uh for 2024 as of October 2nd um bills

[1:17:31] were sent out April 22nd $35,100 a total

[1:17:36] of 70

[1:17:38] invoices uh there's another batch due

[1:17:40] out that's about 54 invoices

[1:17:46] with with an estimated total of

[1:17:49] 27,000 I'm sorry

[1:17:51] $2,750 owed uh there appears to be 438

[1:17:57] loss alarms reported by the police

[1:17:58] department this

[1:18:01] year and about and 23 as well you have

[1:18:04] uh this is sorry now this is 24 this is

[1:18:07] Year and that information is up to

[1:18:09] October 2nd I have aail of October

[1:18:15] 2nd I look at she B report confident put

[1:18:19] numbers together and what what the

[1:18:21] projected increase would be if we

[1:18:23] lowered uh the number of false alarms

[1:18:26] from from four to two so it exists I'm fairly certain of

[1:18:32] that so let's let's let's table this for

[1:18:34] two weeks and we'll come back with the

[1:18:36] updated numbers and we'll come back with

[1:18:39] a recommendation to of the um the fees

[1:18:42] from 25 50 and 75 thank you all right so

[1:18:46] we'll have this back on the agenda in

[1:18:48] two

[1:18:48] weeks the next item is

[1:18:53] um review amend section 927 of this

[1:18:57] conect city code issuing fees and

[1:18:59] charges Police Department record we had

[1:19:02] a public here another

[1:19:03] [Music]

[1:19:04] 15 do we have any question regarding

[1:19:07] this section and no speakers yeah and

[1:19:12] this this fee is going up to $40 from

[1:19:18] $20 Mr chairman if there's no amendments

[1:19:20] to this particular you can vote it at a

[1:19:22] committee and you vote it next week yes

[1:19:24] is Ario any question regarding this

[1:19:26] section I can hear what he said oh you

[1:19:29] can vote it at a committee this week and

[1:19:30] you can vote on it next week so if

[1:19:32] there's no

[1:19:33] amendments that's that's it's just that

[1:19:36] section is done by

[1:19:39] resolution no this is by

[1:19:43] ordinance I thought the Fe structur no for the some things are done by

[1:19:48] resolution this is by ordinance it's how our code is could they modify

[1:19:54] that

[1:19:56] for by resolution reduces the easy for

[1:20:00] us in the future

[1:20:07] perhaps any other question regarding

[1:20:09] this so I would I'll ask for motion to

[1:20:11] move um this item forward I'll move it

[1:20:14] second all in favor all thank you the

[1:20:18] next item is also review to amend um

[1:20:25] amend city code 41-14 C increasing dog

[1:20:28] license fee we had a public hearing on

[1:20:30] the

[1:20:31] 15th any question regarding this no

[1:20:35] speaker sh waiting for me to say

[1:20:38] [Music]

[1:20:40] it second all in favor I thank you the

[1:20:46] next item is amending section 2 48-2 the

[1:20:49] city code increasing parking violation F

[1:20:52] we had a public hearing on the 15th

[1:20:55] any question regarding this

[1:20:59] item you should have a list of the

[1:21:02] backup documents um with the old fee and

[1:21:04] the proposed new

[1:21:17] fees I guess I did have a quick question

[1:21:20] which was you know with the fire hydrant

[1:21:23] and the fire lane pass why they didn't

[1:21:26] just keep them both the same fee or you

[1:21:29] know raise both of them to the 115 just

[1:21:32] seems like it would make it easier but

[1:21:34] it's literally like $5 but I did notice

[1:21:38] that as I was reviewing it the first

[1:21:39] time there's some issues regarding this

[1:21:42] the uh the state

[1:21:44] code State the state I were I talked to

[1:21:47] the traffic folks on this and there's

[1:21:49] Cod to code vehicle and graffic code

[1:21:51] caps that we have to deal with so that's

[1:21:53] a problem

[1:21:55] that's absolutely right there uh the

[1:21:57] vehicle and traffic law does impose

[1:22:00] certain maximum fines uh for certain

[1:22:02] things other otherwise it's adopted from

[1:22:05] the council or or the city ordinance as

[1:22:07] to what we can what we can charge if

[1:22:09] it's not defined in the uh vehicle

[1:22:11] traffic law so those those areas that

[1:22:13] were uh especially like the fire lane

[1:22:17] and the the handicap parking in the fire

[1:22:20] Hy morning change but the ones that

[1:22:22] purely within our purview gotta were

[1:22:25] changed

[1:22:26] accordingly thank you any question just

[1:22:31] to know there were two other item that

[1:22:33] we discussed when we were um looking at

[1:22:35] the Fe adjustment was the modify ex

[1:22:38] exhaust and the um modified

[1:22:42] speaker and um cooperation counil

[1:22:45] looking into those two items as part of

[1:22:48] um the noise nuisance or Mr Williams is

[1:22:51] push power so those two item will

[1:22:54] address at that point in time and what

[1:22:57] we as a council can do to address those

[1:23:00] concerns and then uh for the resolution

[1:23:03] please correct me if for wrong we're

[1:23:04] going to write in uh painting the fire

[1:23:07] hydrants just to make areas more

[1:23:09] existent to people parking and then

[1:23:12] ensuring that the remaining

[1:23:14] signs are

[1:23:19] replaced I don't know if Mr chairman I

[1:23:22] don't know if you can put that in in the

[1:23:23] code itself but I would if that's

[1:23:26] something that the uh Bureau service and

[1:23:28] the fire department have to deal with u

[1:23:31] to I for for better markings I think

[1:23:33] there was discussion on sign signage

[1:23:36] regarding

[1:23:37] enforcement I think what we discussed

[1:23:39] this

[1:23:40] um once Whipple had uh made suggestion

[1:23:44] that the PD was going to look at signs

[1:23:46] and come back with a list of signs that

[1:23:48] needs to be replaced at certain areas I

[1:23:51] remember discuss I remember the

[1:23:53] discussion about that yes so they are

[1:23:55] looking at that and they come back and

[1:23:56] work with um the sign signal

[1:24:00] superintendent yeah I think there were

[1:24:02] some email back and forth about that

[1:24:03] painting The Curve too painting the

[1:24:05] curve and addressing all the signs and

[1:24:07] replacing the ones that is not visible

[1:24:10] and to update all the sence pro city as

[1:24:12] we en Force this come January and first

[1:24:16] so there's a couple months to address

[1:24:18] those

[1:24:21] concerns and yes we can follow the um if

[1:24:24] we need to to kind of find out where we

[1:24:26] are in terms of those new signs on or

[1:24:30] signs need to be

[1:24:32] replaced any other

[1:24:35] question seeing none I will motion to

[1:24:38] move this item

[1:24:40] forward second all in favor I thank you

[1:24:46] finally the next item is research

[1:24:49] analysis on employment for the city of

[1:24:51] conc last week when we were discussing our

[1:24:56] budget we talked about U management

[1:24:59] raises and the suggestion for me was to

[1:25:02] kind

[1:25:04] of across look across the board in terms

[1:25:07] of management raises and in terms of the

[1:25:09] salary um managers receiver and are we

[1:25:13] paying them are we compensating them

[1:25:16] enough for what they're doing in terms

[1:25:17] of their

[1:25:19] position the question across the table

[1:25:21] was uh we don't know so I disc

[1:25:24] discussing with the mayor last week here

[1:25:25] at the table was like to call for a

[1:25:28] study to see where we are in terms of

[1:25:30] compensation for

[1:25:32] management and the discussion was to

[1:25:35] move a resolution to kind of authorize

[1:25:39] this uh this

[1:25:41] study am I missing anything on that I

[1:25:44] think

[1:25:46] I go ahead I think we did also say that

[1:25:49] we could still move forward with our

[1:25:50] budget discussion as is and then um r

[1:25:54] return to this you know if we needed to make any adjustments or

[1:25:58] whatever that because we couldn't do the

[1:25:59] market study in time to continue our

[1:26:02] discussion that is correct yeah this

[1:26:04] will not affect our budget 2025 budget

[1:26:06] is more of a study to see where we are

[1:26:08] in terms of compensation for management

[1:26:11] yeah and that will come back to us and

[1:26:12] then we as a council will discuss that

[1:26:14] what do we

[1:26:18] do so what I would like a resolution to uh carry out this study

[1:26:27] I'll make a resolution I think we talked

[1:26:29] about the office of Human Resources

[1:26:31] asking the HR department second all in

[1:26:35] favor I thank

[1:26:37] you the next item is our continue

[1:26:40] discussion in 2025 proposed budget I

[1:26:43] would ask that we recess for respecting

[1:26:46] everyone time we recess the finance

[1:26:48] committee and we'll recall it at the end

[1:26:50] of this um committee meeting after to

[1:26:52] continue our budget discussion

[1:26:55] so motion to recess the finance

[1:26:57] committee all in favor

[1:27:01] I I'd like to call the order City

[1:27:03] development planning we have nine items

[1:27:05] on the agenda uh the first item is the

[1:27:08] discussion of sidewalk replacement em

[1:27:10] Street and MCL Street Mr Lu thank you

[1:27:13] madam president uh yes um talking about

[1:27:17] sidewalk

[1:27:18] um Mullen Street and Emon Street um

[1:27:22] individual that submit petition

[1:27:25] last year we were able to um identify

[1:27:29] and um push through with Central Parkway

[1:27:33] and now before you is the two other

[1:27:35] streets um neighborhood sorry street

[1:27:38] that we have mhm and I would like the

[1:27:40] council to um recommend that we move

[1:27:43] forward to direct the assessment office

[1:27:48] and the Law

[1:27:50] Department to review these petition

[1:27:54] and to come back to the council with any

[1:27:56] finding

[1:27:58] whatsoever so that we can able to start

[1:28:00] work with these um neighborhood

[1:28:03] leaders to identify and to put things in

[1:28:07] place so that we can get these two um

[1:28:10] Street in for the sidewalk program for

[1:28:14] 2025

[1:28:17] 2026 go ahead please do we have an

[1:28:19] updated one for Ms street I was

[1:28:22] submitted in 2010

[1:28:24] yeah we do have a couple fiction there a couple

[1:28:30] of I see streets receiv in 2023 which is

[1:28:34] great

[1:28:36] yeah there's a lot of part in terms of

[1:28:39] Adry but yes review what we have and

[1:28:42] then we can ask them for updated um in

[1:28:45] terms of if they are changing the

[1:28:46] address changing name similar to what we

[1:28:49] did in Central Parkway there people you

[1:28:51] know changing ownership so we'll have to

[1:28:53] reach out to the new owner and kind

[1:28:56] asked them for the permission to sign

[1:28:58] onto this sheet something similar we did

[1:29:01] all of us did at um Central Parkway I

[1:29:03] mean M it be it be M it would be fair

[1:29:06] for us to go back and ask them to redo

[1:29:08] all this petition they have done their job it's it's a hard process

[1:29:12] absolutely they went out there they got

[1:29:14] petition it's you know no fault of all

[1:29:17] of us that it takes so long yeah it took a while for us to address it and

[1:29:23] here we are in terms of moving forward

[1:29:25] and to address um the sidewalk program

[1:29:27] and then we'll review Mullen Street as

[1:29:29] well because it's over a year and a as

[1:29:31] well B Street will be um that is the

[1:29:34] purpose of us moving forward to address

[1:29:37] good thank you go ahead please so um as was pointed out there's so this is

[1:29:42] 2020 excuse me 2010 that this was done

[1:29:46] and um so people may have moved I know

[1:29:48] some people actually I know but some

[1:29:50] people are no longer living living

[1:29:53] period um so what is going to be the

[1:29:56] process um you did kind of mention it

[1:29:58] before about so what is going to be the

[1:30:00] process in terms of updating it are we

[1:30:02] going to use our our tax roles at this

[1:30:05] point to see if who we need to go how we

[1:30:06] going to yes correct yeah that's how um

[1:30:09] it's done so the assessor office will print out a role theti Street and

[1:30:13] then it will review by The Corporation

[1:30:15] Council that's how it's done in the past

[1:30:18] and if there if the names doesn't match

[1:30:19] here then we'll have to go back out and

[1:30:21] get the new owner to sign up

[1:30:25] if they decide to go with the program

[1:30:27] but have the community leader go back

[1:30:28] out on help to get petition updated

[1:30:31] petition for those um change in when

[1:30:35] okay so that's where we're going that's

[1:30:37] our starting place okay thank you is the

[1:30:40] same is still the same program like a

[1:30:42] doll 55 L whatever

[1:30:46] okay5

[1:30:49] was want you don't want to

[1:30:54] same program yes same program yes I

[1:30:58] put yeah so we'll need um go ahead

[1:31:03] please so in asking that question of the

[1:31:06] same program and the same cost I think

[1:31:08] we have to look at have the cost

[1:31:10] increase in order to do this and how

[1:31:13] much more it's going to cost the city

[1:31:15] and is the city going to be being are we

[1:31:17] going to absorb the additional cost if

[1:31:18] there is one and I imagine with

[1:31:20] everything going up that there is or or

[1:31:23] going to be increased in um what the

[1:31:26] homeowner has to pay I think that those

[1:31:28] are things that have to be considered as

[1:31:29] we move forward with

[1:31:35] this yeah it was one of the suggestion I

[1:31:37] made last week in terms of the the AR

[1:31:39] money that um we're we're hoping that

[1:31:42] will come back to us we can able to as a

[1:31:44] council with the mayor put some money in

[1:31:46] that program back at that point in time

[1:31:48] to see if we can help these uh these

[1:31:51] areas to address the sidewalk

[1:31:54] and yes we can address the cost at that

[1:31:56] point in time and we move forward do we amend it and change it from $55

[1:32:02] upward good suggestion and we we can

[1:32:05] address that as we move

[1:32:09] forward go ahead please I just say it's

[1:32:11] important as we've already started kind

[1:32:13] of allocating projects to this Aram

[1:32:16] dollars that we haven't even received

[1:32:17] yet I just want to make sure we're

[1:32:18] intentional with how we're prioritizing

[1:32:21] the conversations we're still going to

[1:32:23] have and hopefully an

[1:32:30] hour I'm sure would we will address that

[1:32:32] then I think there are some capital um

[1:32:35] money in the capital budget for sidewalk

[1:32:37] program still some well there was some

[1:32:39] money that was bonded for this type of

[1:32:42] uh undertaking specifically and you were

[1:32:45] not able to find the petition for

[1:32:46] Raymond Street no I can't I looked all

[1:32:49] the email and if anybody's listening if

[1:32:52] anybody who was invol in Raymond Street

[1:32:55] if you do have the petition please send

[1:32:57] it a copy to

[1:32:58] us um no uh we Serge your clerk's office

[1:33:02] the archive all the folders all the

[1:33:04] emails and I have been involved in the

[1:33:07] petition from the beginning the Calk

[1:33:09] program and I don't have a

[1:33:11] copy unfortunately so I don't know I was

[1:33:14] brought in

[1:33:17] yes so whoever is out there listening

[1:33:20] and if you have copies please reach out

[1:33:23] to any member myself myself the mayor

[1:33:25] and if you can hand deliver a copy we

[1:33:28] would be glad to receive that and add

[1:33:30] this add that remonstrate into this

[1:33:33] program so mayor you said it was already

[1:33:35] brought in do you know who brought it in

[1:33:38] at the time of no yeah we ask that

[1:33:40] question yeah because I was to go back

[1:33:42] over directly to that person yeah so

[1:33:44] maybe in in being on fairness we should

[1:33:47] again go out

[1:33:49] ourselves um people on let's find out

[1:33:53] who who let's find out who was if you

[1:33:55] know who was involved and maybe they I'm

[1:33:57] sure they will have copies and they they

[1:33:59] can they can provide a copy to us and we

[1:34:01] can add it to this

[1:34:03] program

[1:34:06] yeah so do we need to move resolution or

[1:34:09] we just no I have it's under review at

[1:34:12] this under so you just so you will just

[1:34:15] take it from there and review these

[1:34:16] streets and come back to us with your

[1:34:18] report with your report okay

[1:34:21] perfect all right

[1:34:26] thank you you're welcome the next item

[1:34:29] is ceremonial resolution recognizes

[1:34:31] musicians of Mal yes um they thank you

[1:34:35] they will be celebrating their 25th

[1:34:37] anniversary they are celebrating their

[1:34:39] 25th anniversary their season just

[1:34:41] started um so this would be a ceremonial

[1:34:44] resolution that would be given to them

[1:34:47] next

[1:34:48] week

[1:34:51] Mo oh I'll second it all those in

[1:34:55] favor uh the next item is reminder uh

[1:34:58] establishing a temporary moratorium on

[1:35:00] the submission and processing of

[1:35:01] building permits certificates of

[1:35:03] occupancy certificates of use and land

[1:35:05] use approvals of cannabis established as

[1:35:09] the city council considers changes to

[1:35:10] chapter

[1:35:12] 264 um public hearing will be held on

[1:35:15] but that date can't be correct it's 1021

[1:35:22] 1028 Madam president um if I can just

[1:35:24] speak a moment on that real quick goe uh

[1:35:28] I in your packets this week is the

[1:35:30] ordinance that's that's the moratorium

[1:35:33] ordinance it's modeled after the Vape

[1:35:35] Shop ordinance that uh you passed

[1:35:37] earlier this year um you'll notice that

[1:35:40] there's uh additional definitions put in

[1:35:42] there for cannabis establishment micro

[1:35:45] business on-site consumptions so it's prospectively looking ahead as to

[1:35:51] the various licenses that may come come

[1:35:53] our way so when we're doing the review

[1:35:57] uh of the uh the zoning code we'll be

[1:36:00] looking at those definitions and uh uh

[1:36:03] and

[1:36:05] uh that at some point that'll be

[1:36:07] incorporated into our zoning code um not

[1:36:11] already done some of those are already

[1:36:13] in the code from as you remember from

[1:36:15] back in the Vape but some of those are

[1:36:17] not like onsite consumption and micro

[1:36:19] business for example and uh

[1:36:24] so um if there's anything as we begin

[1:36:27] this process I've had discussions with

[1:36:28] the the planners in development about

[1:36:31] the the way ahead here if you have

[1:36:34] any areas that you would like to see

[1:36:36] these not see these uh by way of review

[1:36:39] real quick um the uh vape shops are in

[1:36:42] the industrial zones M1 M2 and the

[1:36:45] commercial zones

[1:36:48] uh C4 and C5 um which is downtown and

[1:36:52] the Upper State Street commercial

[1:36:55] Corridor

[1:36:57] um if you want you always looking to

[1:37:00] expand some of these establishments in

[1:37:02] the C3 Waterfront District which is the

[1:37:05] harbor area um that area that Waterfront

[1:37:08] development District I'm just throwing

[1:37:10] that out there I'm not saying anything

[1:37:12] one way or the other but um what areas

[1:37:17] you would want that like as I said C4

[1:37:19] and C5 vape shops M1 and M2 vape shops

[1:37:22] if you want to have these in those areas

[1:37:24] or you want to have them some other

[1:37:26] areas depending on the type of

[1:37:28] establishment based on their

[1:37:30] definitions um please send me you know

[1:37:34] as as a group send each other an email

[1:37:37] to me and so we can take your concerns

[1:37:41] as we start drafting this and at some

[1:37:43] point

[1:37:44] probably um November December get some

[1:37:48] sort of working draft ordinance for you

[1:37:50] to take a look at um start working on

[1:37:55] that this uh this will this ordinance

[1:37:58] will take effect on November uh your

[1:38:01] next meeting is the 12th so it would be

[1:38:04] the next day which would be November

[1:38:06] 13th and would go into February uh 11th

[1:38:10] February 11th which is approximately 90

[1:38:14] days so so it's a day certain so

[1:38:17] everybody knows nobody's counting days

[1:38:19] on calendars or anything like that it

[1:38:21] says when when it's going to expire

[1:38:24] good so I just wanted to throw that out

[1:38:27] there for you on that point um and if I

[1:38:31] can go on to the next one the the if I

[1:38:33] can what's the next one meeting the the

[1:38:36] uh the comment period for that location

[1:38:40] on Broadway um so no okay okay just I

[1:38:46] want I want to just say a couple things

[1:38:47] about this one we kind of have this

[1:38:50] discussion I just want to make sure

[1:38:51] there's Clarity for individual ual who

[1:38:53] will already have their license by the

[1:38:56] state of New York right are they will

[1:39:00] they be impacted by

[1:39:01] this I know that there's some people who

[1:39:04] don't have their license but have

[1:39:05] submitted to us for our

[1:39:07] location and what would the difference is what we can control is

[1:39:13] pursuant to the ordinance is that if

[1:39:16] they have filed paperwork for a

[1:39:18] certificate of use or site plan Etc by

[1:39:23] our start date of

[1:39:25] November uh

[1:39:27] 12th then we have to proceed with that

[1:39:31] okay we have to proceed with that

[1:39:32] because they got their uh requests in

[1:39:36] before the moror okay so they may still

[1:39:39] be working with our working with the

[1:39:42] Office of cabis Management but they have

[1:39:44] submitted that um request for site plan

[1:39:47] certificate of use any of those listed

[1:39:50] uh items under the uh moratorium then we

[1:39:54] have to process that all the way through

[1:39:56] oh okay and um the other thing we as we

[1:39:59] had had this discussion before you said

[1:40:01] that you're going to be looking to ocm

[1:40:03] the office of cannabis management to

[1:40:05] make sure that what we're doing here is

[1:40:07] not outside of what we are allowed to do

[1:40:10] based on what their guidelines are that

[1:40:11] that's that's correct and we got to you

[1:40:13] know there's as you know there's certain

[1:40:15] distances that they have put into the

[1:40:18] regulations those are the regulations

[1:40:20] and that's what we got to do um the Town

[1:40:23] of Babylon as you know that was our Vape

[1:40:25] Shop model um they had a uh they had

[1:40:28] conversations with the office of

[1:40:30] cannabis management and they had a uh

[1:40:33] they U set

[1:40:35] a a uh a distance of 750 ft from a

[1:40:40] residential district that the office of

[1:40:43] cannabis management was okay with so

[1:40:45] just putting that out for an example so

[1:40:49] as we go through this and as we really

[1:40:52] get into the uh the details of what we need to do um

[1:40:57] we'll give you the uh uh updates and

[1:41:01] then if necessary reach out to office

[1:41:04] Canabis management for for guidance on those issues but I'm just that was

[1:41:09] something that another municipality did

[1:41:12] in in in in working up their

[1:41:15] code other any more any other questions

[1:41:18] regarding this

[1:41:20] item okay so we'll have that public

[1:41:22] hearing on the

[1:41:23] 28th uh the next item is discussion of

[1:41:26] ocm 30-day notice for 10 excuse me 1708

[1:41:30] Broadway okay there we go um as part of

[1:41:34] the application process under rule 11

[1:41:37] 19.3 um as part of the application

[1:41:40] process that goes before the office of

[1:41:42] cannabis management and the Bureau of

[1:41:45] can Bureau of cannabis control um the

[1:41:49] municipalities is afforded an

[1:41:50] opportunity to weigh in on a particular

[1:41:52] location

[1:41:54] um we have a 30-day this was filed last

[1:41:56] week this is a location

[1:42:00] uh on Broadway I believe it's the it's

[1:42:03] the Old Key Bank building on the top of

[1:42:07] uh Broadway so that just to be an idea

[1:42:12] um we have we the city as 30 days you

[1:42:15] have take a look at it if you have any

[1:42:18] questions concerns comments Etc um we

[1:42:22] can

[1:42:23] we when I'm saying we the Law Department

[1:42:26] can funnel those questions uh to the

[1:42:31] Office of candidas Management for their

[1:42:34] review and uh and uh if they have we

[1:42:38] have any concerns regarding that

[1:42:40] location then as part of the review

[1:42:43] process at their level they have to

[1:42:45] address our

[1:42:47] concerns so um right now there'll be

[1:42:50] Friday the 15th of November is the

[1:42:53] 30-day deadline so I would you if you

[1:42:56] have any issues concerns um we can check

[1:42:59] back here in a couple of weeks if if you

[1:43:01] want to discuss this

[1:43:04] um in further detail if you've thought

[1:43:07] about you know whatever your concerns

[1:43:09] are and then we'll make sure we'll get

[1:43:11] those to the uh cannabis management uh

[1:43:14] agency before the

[1:43:18] 15th so in in terms of municipality U

[1:43:21] replying that does not take into we

[1:43:24] don't we don't have to do anything by

[1:43:25] asking the public we don't have to get

[1:43:27] public just say this is the way they

[1:43:29] view this is know as a 30-day comment

[1:43:33] period from the community board or for

[1:43:36] the from the government so this is

[1:43:38] purely a uh uh as the policy makers for

[1:43:42] the

[1:43:43] city giving that process so it's a very

[1:43:46] short window um so uh so whatever

[1:43:51] concerns you have as a group yes I don't

[1:43:55] recall that happening um with the

[1:43:57] opening of the one on State Street well

[1:44:00] that they that was I'm just is this no

[1:44:03] that was that was

[1:44:06] actually well on its way you because but

[1:44:11] I think as as we go through this process

[1:44:14] mward we're we're moving forward that

[1:44:16] this is this the clerk gets it it's

[1:44:19] distributed it's 30-day period so I

[1:44:21] think um as the role out of this process

[1:44:24] has gone through um I think that uh um I

[1:44:29] think going forward will be a better way

[1:44:31] of

[1:44:33] having okay but that that was a

[1:44:37] uh that was moving along and I think we

[1:44:40] got something maybe in July at that

[1:44:42] point and uh so but that was

[1:44:47] already

[1:44:49] processed so so I think I think from

[1:44:52] both local level as well as the state

[1:44:55] level we're getting in the

[1:44:59] syn you're right Mr T that wasn't it

[1:45:02] didn't it didn't go through this process

[1:45:03] and although I just want to be clear

[1:45:05] that we all of those things were

[1:45:07] received in the Law Department in terms

[1:45:09] of yeah and we rolled that out we did

[1:45:11] roll that out too and we got to July one

[1:45:14] I your pardon we rolled that out to July

[1:45:16] one but it was already as you know that

[1:45:20] was well on its

[1:45:21] way that because the idea is that these

[1:45:25] notifications are to be on the front end

[1:45:28] like this one we're dealing with right

[1:45:30] now whereas the one on for example the

[1:45:33] one on Union Street was on the uh was

[1:45:37] well well long before and we got it in

[1:45:41] July so in terms of that that one in in

[1:45:45] 501 State

[1:45:46] Street because dasne was in involved the

[1:45:49] dormatory authority was involved with

[1:45:51] that

[1:45:53] is that why they had the opportunity to

[1:45:55] just wait so long don't I don't know

[1:45:57] okay I don't know okay I would

[1:46:03] spe but we righted and going forward

[1:46:06] we'll follow the C procedure okay we're

[1:46:09] good all

[1:46:10] right any other questions from this item

[1:46:14] no okay thank you uh the final five

[1:46:18] items um are all for

[1:46:21] um executive session is for property

[1:46:24] sales so I would ask for a motion to

[1:46:26] reset City de City development

[1:46:29] planning second all those in favor we're

[1:46:32] recess thank

[1:46:35] you so I'd like to call to order of the

[1:46:38] claims committee we have two items on

[1:46:39] the agenda tonight both items need to be

[1:46:41] discussed in executive session so we

[1:46:43] have a motion to enter executive session

[1:46:46] so second all in

[1:46:49] favor we are now executive session

[1:46:52] public M Mr chairman I think perhaps

[1:46:55] this point of order um uh you want to

[1:46:58] hold off on that until after you have

[1:47:00] your budget hearings or I'll you or you

[1:47:03] want to do the claims now no no we'll do

[1:47:08] and then we'll go the okay very thank

[1:47:17] you yeah I think well they have to shut

[1:47:20] it down over there so we

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