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[2:00] I'd like to call the ORD this connected

[2:01] city council committee meeting for

[2:03] Monday January 6 2025 happy New Year

[2:06] everyone and our first um committee is

[2:10] finance thank you madam president so I

[2:12] would like to call the finance committee

[2:14] to order and one item on the agenda just

[2:16] connect to the police department

[2:17] temporary portable bathroom trailer

[2:21] chief on

[2:33] good evening good evening good evening

[2:35] uh we are going through the transition

[2:37] and update in the city uh police

[2:40] department currently we are without

[2:42] showers or bathrooms in the basement um

[2:46] so we are respectfully asking uh the

[2:49] mayor design to enter into contract with

[2:51] Mike's Portable they are a local company

[2:54] uh that's currently offering us portable

[2:56] showers and um toilets uh in their rate

[3:00] is $5,200 per

[3:02] month can you just tell them about the

[3:05] background a little bit on that there's

[3:06] a bit of a background right so initially

[3:08] um Mike's we contacted them because they

[3:11] were local and they've done a great job

[3:12] we put it out to bid we had two biders

[3:15] uh one the winning bidder for $5,200

[3:20] came from Tent South LLC they're out of

[3:22] uh South Carolina uh they they came up

[3:25] here and ultimately experienced problems

[3:27] with uh freezing temperatures and um

[3:31] basically just just bad luck on their

[3:32] part they pulled out the next day and

[3:34] could not honor the contract anymore U

[3:37] Mike's Portables really kind of give

[3:38] them some accolades and and a shout out

[3:40] initially their uh contract was for 6560

[3:44] per month but um they they actually

[3:47] suggested that they can honor the $5,200

[3:49] per month uh which was the lowest

[3:54] bit Mr chair follow what theant just

[3:57] said this was terminated for the mutual

[3:59] convenience both the uh for us and for

[4:02] the uh the vendor um they couldn't

[4:04] perform they thought they could it was

[4:06] logistical was as as the lieutenant has

[4:09] indicated so we both mutually terminated

[4:13] the the city as well as the uh as the

[4:15] vendor that's on the record in the city

[4:18] purchasing officer office so my

[4:20] recommendation is that the resolution go

[4:23] forward and will'll make reference to

[4:25] the previous resolution in the new

[4:27] resolution that the other one is is

[4:29] recent previous resolution we awarded we

[4:31] seem and we're awarding it uh to the new

[4:33] vendor at the at the price

[4:36] indicated so so we don't need to Res no

[4:39] it will be be incorporated by reference

[4:41] into that so you we don't have to do you

[4:43] don't have to do a separate Standalone

[4:45] resolution you can do in one resolution

[4:47] which makes reference that the reason

[4:49] why you're doing this new re resolution

[4:51] is that it was terminated for

[4:54] convenience okay any other questions I I

[4:57] support this um but I just was wondering

[5:00] so the contractor on the bathrooms does

[5:02] think that it could take a year for the

[5:04] new bathrooms in the no we're actually

[5:06] expecting the uh project to be completed

[5:09] by uh February of 2 this year so

[5:12] mid-February of this year which uh is

[5:15] ahead of schedule okay I think when we

[5:17] originally written The Proposal uh we

[5:19] had put in there um a potential six

[5:23] Monon extension uh just to just to kind

[5:25] of cover cover all the grounds

[5:28] okay any other question

[5:30] seeing may have a motion to move this

[5:32] item forward second second all in favor

[5:35] thank you thank any other business

[5:38] support Finance motion to adjourn so

[5:41] move all in favor thank

[5:44] you I would like to call the order of

[5:46] the Public Safety Committee we have

[5:48] three items on the agenda tonight the

[5:49] first of which is the discussion update

[5:51] on vehicle vandalism Mr

[5:54] M thank you Mr Williams I asked for this

[5:57] item to be added to the agenda um over

[6:00] the weekend because of What's um

[6:02] happening over the last two weekend

[6:04] there have been multiple U vehicle uh

[6:06] vandalism in the city in specific into

[6:09] area like Hamilton Hill and mon Pleasant

[6:12] and you know it's like a pattern last

[6:15] Saturday the previous Saturday and I

[6:17] would like if Chief clip may can give us

[6:20] an update as what can we do or what

[6:23] action can be take to kind of like

[6:25] increase Patrol in these areas to kind

[6:27] of you know push these um corpet trate

[6:30] off that not power in the future go

[6:33] ahead please chairman again the uh

[6:36] police

[6:37] department an hour ago

[6:39] or more put out a press release

[6:43] summarizing some of that and asking for

[6:46] Public's assistance put out some

[6:48] photographs Tings to help

[6:51] identify uh the individuals depending on

[6:55] what questions you're going to look for

[6:58] would questions be done an executive

[7:00] session because it's still a active

[7:03] ongoing criminal

[7:05] investigation I I can some some of the

[7:07] question or thing been asked to um by us

[7:10] on the resident and said what can the

[7:12] police do to help you know push this off

[7:15] people on show back again next weekend

[7:17] again and you know vitalizing car what

[7:20] action what increase Patrol things like

[7:22] that I don't think we want talk about

[7:24] you know the arrest or you know what is

[7:26] the investigation or things like that to

[7:27] be it's more of an action kind of item

[7:30] as so increased Patrol will be there you

[7:33] know somebody helping identify those

[7:36] pictures very quickly make sure it

[7:39] doesn't happen so in the press that I

[7:40] went out today it has image it has yes

[7:43] there are images available okay would

[7:46] you like me to read you the press

[7:47] release so you no that's fine that's

[7:49] fine we we'll grab all of it but I just

[7:51] wanted to know um can you and your

[7:55] officers have increase Patrol in those

[7:58] hot spot areas to kind of U detour them

[8:01] from doing this again because I mean

[8:03] it's like almost 100 vehicle sure and

[8:06] you know a lot of expense talking about

[8:08] 6050

[8:09] $60,000 of expense that's a lot

[8:12] especially in working class neighborhood

[8:15] where people are struggling and have to

[8:16] you know wake up in the morning trying

[8:18] to get to work and here are four tires

[8:20] or two tires are slash and they can't

[8:22] get to work and i' only get to work but

[8:24] you're putting them in additional

[8:25] expense to to do that so they're asking

[8:28] us what can do to help and that's why

[8:31] here putting an agenda to ask we need to

[8:33] do something to help them sure so I

[8:35] would say that uh the first thing that

[8:38] we can do is is the public in the in the

[8:40] Mount Pleasant neighborhood because

[8:42] that's primarily where these are is to

[8:43] be extra vent with with looking outside

[8:46] their Windows if they hear a noise if

[8:49] they hear uh kids walking down the

[8:51] street making loud noise it could be

[8:52] these individuals um we don't know if

[8:55] they're juveniles or adults but we we we suspect the juveniles we're just not

[8:59] sure what age they are um if they have

[9:03] cameras call us there's a tip line

[9:05] that's going to be put out um with a

[9:08] press release call the tip line let us

[9:10] know about it lock their car doors don't

[9:12] leave anything in sight of them a couple

[9:15] cars have been stolen so lock their

[9:17] doors if they had the ability to park

[9:19] off Street in their driveways where

[9:21] there's motion detecting lights that

[9:23] would be very beneficial um so that

[9:26] you're limiting your risk to having your

[9:28] playes uh vandalized

[9:30] um as far as what we're doing um we have

[9:32] our our detective assigned to this case

[9:35] that works our 800 p.m 4 a.m. p uh uh

[9:40] time frame he''s been Consulting with

[9:42] our school resource officers our uh our

[9:45] the probation department um every every

[9:48] Network that we have Citywide that might

[9:50] be able to ENT identify young

[9:52] individuals that we believe are doing

[9:54] this and

[9:57] um we also have increase Patrols in

[10:00] those areas so uh we spoke with the

[10:02] patrol Chief this uh this morning and we

[10:05] will be having uh additional patrols

[10:07] regular a regular timed interval uh

[10:11] overnight uh throughout this week um so

[10:14] that we can we can make sure that we're

[10:15] out there um and as the mayor already

[10:17] indicated we put some photos out um that

[10:20] do have identifiable clothing we'd like

[10:23] to know who these individuals are so

[10:25] please give us a call if they have any

[10:26] idea and uh we're looking to identify

[10:29] them and get restitution for the for the

[10:31] victims if

[10:33] possible that's

[10:35] for thank you so is there a special

[10:38] number people should call should they

[10:40] just a non-emergency number what number

[10:41] should people call to for this

[10:44] particular our tips line is 518

[10:48] 788

[10:51] 6566 and you can always call the

[10:54] dispatch the non-emergency dispatch

[10:55] which is

[10:56] 518 um

[11:02] 63911 too many

[11:04] numbers and and your website's wonderful

[11:06] too for reporting a tip or a crime if

[11:09] you're on your computer so yes yes Mr so

[11:14] thank you Chief my question was I don't

[11:16] necessarily want you to say anything

[11:18] that's going to like tip the people off

[11:20] like so then they're like where what

[11:22] this I guess my question is is there a

[11:25] like a certain time frame or like that

[11:27] this is happening in or is that

[11:30] but only obiously answer that if you

[11:31] feel like that that won't impede on your

[11:33] investigation I was just like wondering

[11:34] if there's like a theme there in both in

[11:36] both instances they've been the

[11:38] overnight hours okay yeah okay if if you

[11:41] had a chance to look at the ring cameras

[11:43] the videos it's about like three-ish two

[11:45] around that time most most of them not

[11:48] all of them but some of them press

[11:50] relase release time because a lot of

[11:52] residents have been uploading the U the

[11:54] videos so if you get a chance you can

[11:56] look at the videos and help I encourage

[11:59] to do that because that's how we are

[12:00] getting information on the calls yeah um

[12:04] you know because of what's going on if

[12:06] they if they have any outdoor lights

[12:08] leave them on overnight the better the

[12:09] lighting the better the cameras work you

[12:11] know they don't work work great in the low light situations um but you know

[12:16] we have a lot of cameras in Mount

[12:17] Pleasant you know there's no doubt that

[12:19] we will be able to identify them so with

[12:21] the public assistance we'd rather do it

[12:23] sooner than later and uh find out what's

[12:26] going on with these individuals and get

[12:28] them stopped

[12:30] no I appreciate U the proactive approach

[12:32] U you're taking on your your department

[12:34] is taking because it's a serious um

[12:36] concern of there res sure we certainly

[12:41] understand that and uh you know

[12:43] detective konis is the tough sign

[12:45] detective and he's been working on it

[12:47] for the last week I want to make sure

[12:49] everybody is aware of that that he has

[12:51] been working on it he's been making

[12:52] progress It's just unfortunately hasn't

[12:54] been able to make an arrest yet one of

[12:57] the concern and I told most of the

[12:59] residents who be calling is that they're

[13:00] asking that the police response time to

[13:02] them is like you know couple hours out

[13:04] but I can't you know notify them that

[13:06] they have to deal with so much um so

[13:08] much of complaint so much of call for

[13:10] the very same thing so they're working

[13:12] their way towards that is that a true

[13:14] statement is the kind of tell from yeah

[13:17] from a Tre perspective we always uh

[13:20] prioritize uh you know incidents that

[13:22] have all people over property so that

[13:24] most so that that's it's possible that

[13:26] especially on a weekend that may have

[13:27] happened

[13:31] so so I did get some of this information

[13:34] but 100 cars is

[13:36] missing I think it's up of that TS I wow

[13:40] I didn't know was that significant I

[13:42] know it was a lot yeah we had

[13:47] uh 25 to 30 vehicles on the first night

[13:59] then

[14:00] approximately it says the second

[14:04] night yeah so it it it could be close I

[14:07] don't think it's nearly 100 yet but it's

[14:10] might be 100 tires I think closer to 60

[14:15] Vehicles

[14:17] yeah

[14:18] 30 Chief you mentioned about storen

[14:21] vehicle do you have look at the number

[14:23] come that because I know the first the

[14:26] first Saturday I mean last Saturday this

[14:29] have avable to a stolen vehicle is that

[14:31] correct correct two stolen vehicles both recovered and crashed crashed and

[14:39] recovered so of course you know there's some leads that'll follow those recovering vehicles

[14:45] too still working on

[14:48] that and if people have videos can they

[14:51] how can they get them to you um so the

[14:53] best way to do it is just to call us and

[14:55] let us know that they have it and then

[14:56] we'll walk through the process but

[14:57] there's a an easy way that they can

[14:59] upload them to us but we're going to

[15:00] want to speak to them and you know

[15:02] verifies their video and all that but we

[15:05] have an easy way that they can send them

[15:06] up to us um via the internet but they

[15:09] should call First yes all right thank

[15:10] you thank you any other questions or

[15:13] comments no just thank you Chief and and

[15:16] your off you know for doing this awesome

[15:19] thank you thank you apprciate you the

[15:23] next item on the agenda is a discussion

[15:24] to amend city code chapter 183 which is

[15:27] nuisance um if you can recall our

[15:30] conversation previously it highlighted

[15:32] that the ongoing nature of just noise

[15:34] complaints throughout the city is

[15:36] definitely something that continues to

[15:37] affect us the quality of life for a lot

[15:39] of our

[15:40] cadians um in the special meeting that

[15:44] we had the commissioner Divine

[15:46] recommended adjusting our nuisance code

[15:49] specifically and improving or raising

[15:52] the value Point threshold for noise from

[15:55] fre and he didn't give us an actual

[15:57] number to change it to however my

[15:59] recommendation is increasing it to six

[16:02] which would be the maximum and I think

[16:04] that takes into consideration just the

[16:06] ongoing nature of just how disruptive

[16:08] noise is to our residents and although

[16:12] it would lower it from three or four

[16:16] instances to two to have to meet that

[16:18] 12p point threshold I think it takes

[16:20] into consideration not every call is

[16:24] having one infraction there might be

[16:26] multiple calls associated with each

[16:28] infraction

[16:29] um so I think it shows or presents a

[16:33] very aggressive response from the city

[16:35] and that this is something that we do

[16:37] not want to continue to tolerate and

[16:39] absolutely we understand that

[16:40] individuals enjoying their themselves uh

[16:44] and their parties or with their vehicles

[16:45] is definitely nothing we're trying to um

[16:48] disrup but making sure you do that in a

[16:51] manner that is appropriate and not

[16:53] infringing on other people's um personal

[16:57] space so if there any question questions

[16:59] or comments Mr Mr chairman you've got in

[17:02] your packing of a copy of the proposed

[17:04] ordinance which the chairman indicated

[17:08] increases uh the penalties from one

[17:11] category up to the sixth category so a

[17:13] lot of that's adding it on and deleting

[17:16] you know ring the paragraphs and also

[17:18] the bottom portion of it is dealing with

[17:20] the actual fines Mone money portion

[17:24] there's no you can that's the current

[17:25] schedule I didn't do anything to amend

[17:28] what the penalties are there for 250 400

[17:31] Etc the council wishes to as part of

[17:34] this overall package which wishes to

[17:36] increase

[17:37] those fine amounts if you do so part of

[17:40] the overall Amendment of the

[17:43] ordinances thank you any questions or

[17:45] comments Mr L yeah thank you when we had

[17:48] initially discussed this we had talked

[17:50] about the um application fee I know that

[17:53] I some templates for the Corporation

[17:56] Council and he updated some we're

[17:59] working on but the current code allows

[18:02] for a permit process and we have to

[18:05] develop the form so we'll be in the

[18:08] process of developing that particular

[18:10] form for the sound permit the code calls

[18:14] for it but as far as the form has to be

[18:17] developed and we're using the forms that

[18:19] you provided as the basis in which to

[18:21] create a simple form for folks to

[18:25] use can we at that find

[18:29] together two cycles from yes two cycles

[18:33] so we'll have two cycles talk The Form

[18:37] application the form the form

[18:41] okay thank you any Mr T yes I appreciate

[18:45] the work you've done on

[18:47] this Mr Williams um you said your

[18:50] recommendation is six points I'd like to

[18:52] know you know just in reading through

[18:55] sexual performance by a child versus um

[18:59] gambling offensive they're all six

[19:01] points I I would think that some would

[19:05] be a little higher and I mean there I

[19:08] mean this is your personal

[19:10] recommendation can we have um maybe the commissioner come back in and give

[19:14] us his recommendation I'd like to see

[19:17] some of these things a higher point six

[19:19] and then some a little lower I'm not

[19:23] sure

[19:25] um what is your well I guess my my my

[19:28] issue would would be six points for um

[19:31] offenses involving marijuana so would

[19:33] that just be smoking it on the street or

[19:36] you know six points I mean since it's

[19:39] kind of legal you know and we're selling

[19:41] it at dispensaries and things so should

[19:43] that be six points versus um you other

[19:48] things that that are on here that may be

[19:52] especially yeah a little bit more un LLY

[19:56] dealing with a child I mean different

[19:58] things like that

[20:00] so yes if you understand what I'm saying

[20:02] I I'm in favor of this I just wondered

[20:05] these are your recommendations if we

[20:07] could get some you know I say with

[20:09] respect to the noise it is if there are

[20:11] other items that are U other individuals

[20:14] like to address absolutely but I would

[20:16] say for me was specifically highlighting

[20:18] on noise um and focusing on adusting

[20:20] that one issue um I think often times

[20:23] when we do expand our scope sometimes we

[20:25] lengthen the timelines and I think this

[20:28] has been an issue that's been ongoing

[20:30] for years since I've from the council so

[20:32] I think wanting to just remain um with

[20:35] addressing this one area but if you'd

[20:37] like to expand that absolutely I would

[20:39] just want to make sure that did not

[20:41] delay our response in total um I think

[20:44] that's for Mr just to follow up on that

[20:47] Mr chairman I mean you can move forward

[20:49] with a call for a public hearing on

[20:51] amending this portion of the noise and

[20:53] then always revisit whatever portions of

[20:56] those various C you know those other

[20:58] categories as points so you can do it as

[21:01] a stand alone rather than doing all at

[21:04] one time so that's that's your option so

[21:06] you can go back and revisit those other

[21:08] sections thank you m Patrick no I just

[21:12] was not in agreement with that mooving

[21:16] yes so section two is saying that the

[21:17] following um violation is going to um

[21:21] generate um six points and if you go

[21:23] under section three that will say these

[21:26] offenses generating three points

[21:29] so there is a comparison there certain

[21:32] offens is high level one versus are low

[21:34] level point so I kind of think it's it's a good step and I agree with

[21:39] Corporation let's move forward and call

[21:41] for the public hearing let look at this

[21:43] here but we need to move forward because

[21:45] we have been discussed this way until

[21:46] last last year and we need to move on in

[21:49] because next couple months will be

[21:51] summer

[21:53] again we need we need to do something

[21:55] about it because you go across the city

[21:57] and you hear complain about the time you

[21:58] know loud music you know exhaust and all

[22:01] these things are happening loud music

[22:03] from Cars so we we need to act

[22:06] so it's it's a good working

[22:08] document any other questions or

[22:11] comments probably because I agree uh

[22:14] with uh Mr M was saying as far as like

[22:17] addressing this now before we weather

[22:20] breaks and we have more people outside

[22:21] more people having events things of that

[22:23] nature and I would just you know kind of

[22:25] um also let the amplify the fact that

[22:27] this again that there's an educational

[22:28] component to this as well um so as we're

[22:31] making these changes we're just you know

[22:33] letting people know that you know that

[22:35] we are taking a more um a Ser stance on

[22:39] this therefore I think that some of that work can be preventative so

[22:42] I think that that's an important part

[22:43] there I just didn't want of those in

[22:45] conversation Mr and that will factor in

[22:48] the the permit um application process so

[22:51] that if if someone has an event they can

[22:52] come and apply for a permit so we know

[22:54] all the details who who's promoting this

[22:56] event and you know the approval process

[22:59] they contact information so the police

[23:01] can directly contact them they don't

[23:02] need to go show up on the property they

[23:04] can call them or let them know you know

[23:05] we're receiving complaint you permit is

[23:08] 11:00 or 10:00 you need to shut down we

[23:11] don't need to come over there they can

[23:13] do that in house so that perit process

[23:15] will help but this

[23:17] also and I would say last comments I

[23:20] know a lot of people uh within the city

[23:22] say well I call the non-emergency number

[23:24] and I don't necessarily see a response

[23:27] uh in this case this will help build a

[23:29] justification on the back end for

[23:30] Corporation Council to proceed with

[23:33] legal actions so if you are experiencing

[23:35] these types of noise issues in your

[23:37] immediate area please document it by

[23:40] calling the nonemergency number um and

[23:43] then that will help us understand uh how

[23:46] many times and that'll fuel into this uh

[23:50] nuisance adjustment moving forward Mr

[23:52] Tor thank you

[23:54] so again you know

[23:59] you can get a permit to make noise from

[24:02] noon to 6 when your neighbors whatever

[24:05] and I'm sure we're going to work that

[24:06] out but I'd also like to ask Chief

[24:08] Clifford maybe if he can come forward to

[24:10] maybe address um just a little bit about

[24:13] the new ticketing system um that you

[24:16] have which will make your officers and

[24:18] Patrol men uh easier to ticket uh when

[24:21] these instances come up like right away

[24:23] and how that's moving along with the

[24:25] department and getting to the courts

[24:31] so um so City Court ordinances um the

[24:35] way that we enforce that is it's it's we

[24:39] process it the same as we would do in

[24:40] arrest so the old way was we have to go

[24:44] and take a person into custody literally

[24:46] which may or may not involve handcuffs

[24:49] we have to we have to write an incident

[24:52] report um and then we have to complete a

[24:55] master name on the individual go back to

[24:57] the police station

[24:59] jump on a computer write an accusatory

[25:01] instrument file that paperwork with the

[25:03] death Sergeant book that person and then

[25:06] released them on an appearance ticket

[25:07] that was the old way um we've we've now

[25:11] streamlined that process to make it more

[25:13] like receiving a traffic ticket where

[25:16] right there on the spot we can do all

[25:17] the paperwork issue a person an

[25:19] appearance ticket on the spot go back

[25:22] the death Sergeant would still have to

[25:24] book the person but there's a lot less

[25:26] paperwork and that means that we we can

[25:28] make the arrest a lot uh faster more

[25:32] efficient um while accomplishing the

[25:34] same goal um so that what that does is that that encourages our officers to

[25:39] make that arrest um so that we hold the

[25:41] people accountable um a lot of the

[25:44] hesitations in the past which led to um

[25:48] advisements is that it's a Saturday

[25:50] night we're low on Staffing the call

[25:53] volume is up and officers just didn't

[25:55] want to get bogged down for 45 minutes

[25:57] making a loud music arrest when they

[25:59] know that we have other more important

[26:01] calls um I should say not more important

[26:05] but more violent calls coming in calls

[26:07] that really needed their attention were

[26:09] coming in and they didn't want to get

[26:10] tied up on them so um so we've been able

[26:13] to implement that process we had a few

[26:15] hiccups with the court system and we we

[26:18] finally worked it out with all the

[26:19] judges to make sure that they're all okay with it uh we we tested

[26:23] the process this year uh specifically in

[26:25] the summertime it worked well so we're we've implemented that and we're

[26:29] starting to utilize that more often now

[26:32] thank you Mr parley yeah so Chief I

[26:34] remember in the conversations um well

[26:36] some of the conversation was around like

[26:38] how do we distinguishing or measuring

[26:40] kind of like that noise like the valume

[26:43] and like how how that's going and my

[26:45] question is to you is that you know is

[26:47] there anything that you need you know

[26:48] further from us as city council to be

[26:51] for you to be able to enforce that like

[26:53] cuz I don't know do we have the right

[26:55] type of instruments or to to to make

[26:58] that distinction between okay you were

[27:00] just being allowed but now you're kind

[27:01] of over this thing or do you need

[27:03] anything from us for anything further

[27:05] from us to support from that uh right

[27:07] now I don't believe we do that might

[27:09] change in the future as we test this

[27:11] process and they go through more through

[27:12] the courts if the if the judges require

[27:15] some some kind of instrument reading

[27:17] then we might um but but as of right now

[27:20] I'm not aware of it if an officer shows

[27:21] up and they feel that's unreasonable

[27:23] noise um they can make the

[27:26] arrest thank you Mr Chief is this the

[27:30] same ticket process we had passed

[27:32] through city council several years ago

[27:34] and you had some problem with it the

[27:35] office is there and they were thrown out

[27:37] by the court and it was pushed back to

[27:39] Corporation Council for them to revisit

[27:41] the tickets yes so that was done a

[27:45] revision and the done by cooperation

[27:49] Council the ticket that you're rolling

[27:51] out now yeah okay yeah and you have

[27:55] discussion with the the court system to

[27:58] make sure that we're not going to have

[27:59] another sort of a problem correct yeah

[28:02] we uh we had to change the form um so

[28:05] it's all on the front page so so so

[28:07] nothing on a second page correct yes

[28:10] that that was the problem with the

[28:12] second page uh constitute another um

[28:15] incident so instead of one incident it

[28:17] was two incidents and it was not

[28:18] recorded properly something like that yeah the judge

[28:22] wanted it um Wanted The Originals um and

[28:25] by by putting it on the back that wasn't

[28:27] sufficient so we made pH photo copies

[28:28] and so the judge just we we compli with

[28:31] what the judge was asking for and then

[28:33] we tested the process and it's been uh

[28:35] it's been working fine so so when we had

[28:38] passed that ticket I'm trying to

[28:39] recollect back a couple years ago on the

[28:40] city council here it was more not for

[28:42] noise it was more General to purpose you

[28:46] can go there and site for for

[28:48] litter uh things like that is is it the

[28:51] same it's the same yep Yeah we actually

[28:53] on the ticket itself it has multiple

[28:55] City Court coordinate violations that are you probably the the ones that

[29:00] are um that people mostly complain about

[29:04] that are on there but we also have a

[29:05] last spot that we can put anyone in

[29:07] there that we wanted to so that we could

[29:09] just like an other where we could write

[29:11] it in there is it possible you can share

[29:13] that template to the council so look at

[29:15] that um the revise um that VI good I'm

[29:20] thank you thank you me a couple years in the works when we passed it

[29:24] originally and then we had some push

[29:26] back from the court system and I'm glad

[29:28] working with Corporation com to move

[29:29] forward because that was a big quality

[29:32] of live back in then we move forward

[29:34] with that and I think it's going to be

[29:36] well received out there and kind of make a difference in our city

[29:41] yes um so people don't now get any

[29:44] warning at this point in time so if

[29:47] someone gets a loud if there's a loud

[29:48] noise will call your officer show up

[29:50] there's there's before it was like turn

[29:52] the noise down so we don't have to come

[29:54] back Etc so now is that no longer

[29:58] happening there there's no guaranteed

[30:00] one warning okay you know there's a lot

[30:02] of misconception out there that you got

[30:04] the first first one for free there was a warning and that's not the case it

[30:08] always comes down to discretion of the

[30:09] officer and the condition of what they they walk into okay um and you know

[30:14] they'll look at the premise history and

[30:15] see if they've been they've they've been

[30:18] spoken to before um but um you know

[30:21] there's it always comes down to the

[30:22] situation and you know they're not out

[30:25] there looking to write tickets uh you

[30:27] know for any reason other than

[30:29] enforcement and um you know if if they

[30:32] can if they feel that they can get the

[30:33] mission accomplished by speaking to the

[30:35] person then they do it they feel like U

[30:38] this needs to be sent before the judge

[30:40] then they'll write the ticket and and

[30:41] ask them to to go and speak to the judge

[30:43] about it okay thank you danan I remember

[30:47] part of the um we the discussion

[30:49] assistant chief an noic spoke about when

[30:51] an officer responds then you have your

[30:53] change over making sure that

[30:54] communication is transferred over to the

[30:56] next shift um but I think in a similar

[30:59] fashion to the response with vehicle

[31:01] vandalism I I think there were a lot of

[31:04] trigger words back in the day where you

[31:05] hear community policing it's important

[31:07] to recognize that putting all of the

[31:09] onus on to law enforcement might not be

[31:12] the best and most appropriate Way

[31:13] Forward so it's working collaboratively

[31:15] with the community um to make sure that

[31:17] this is received well and that we're

[31:19] also doing our actions on our

[31:21] part there were no other question one

[31:24] more question in terms of a timeline for

[31:26] an officer to complete that process K I

[31:28] know back in then when we we pass like

[31:31] 45 minutes do you have like a timeline

[31:33] to that now if you were to go there and

[31:35] write that ticket how much of a time

[31:37] would it take yeah I mean you're you're

[31:40] right in that um the old way it was

[31:43] definitely 45 minutes probably somewhere

[31:45] between 45 minutes in an hour and now

[31:46] it's probably more like 20 to 30 minutes

[31:49] so it's it's I'd say cut in half

[31:52] nice so the in Chief if there are no

[31:55] other questions or comments Mr Mr

[31:58] chairman I just you know uh section four

[32:01] increase of penalties you wish to

[32:02] increase penalties since you're going

[32:04] for the you know calling for a public

[32:05] hearing on you know increasing the point

[32:08] system do you wish to double the range

[32:11] that's already in there from a minimum

[32:13] of 250 to second offense from 250 to 400

[32:17] are you at this point okay with the uh

[32:20] the penal the fine phase at this point

[32:22] just want to increase the uh points

[32:25] system for the nuisance I would say for

[32:27] me personally just wanted to U ensure

[32:30] the process works complete so I think at

[32:32] this point is just making sure the

[32:34] points actually reflect the degree of

[32:36] Destruction to the community so I am

[32:38] safe with leaving the fines as is okay

[32:40] um but I'm only one of members in the

[32:42] committee

[32:45] else I would agree that we should um

[32:48] leave finds as is um and increase the

[32:52] points okay I'm okay with that too yeah

[32:55] I think that's what that was discussed

[32:56] when we discussed this last year in

[32:57] terms of

[32:59] General consensus was to keep it as as

[33:02] is so hearing no other questions or

[33:04] comments may have a motion to does need

[33:07] to be call for a public hearing for the

[33:09] amendment of The ordinance increasing

[33:12] the points

[33:15] voice so second all those in favor I

[33:19] thank you and the last item as a

[33:20] reminder amending the certain sections

[33:23] of the scy city code chapter 248

[33:25] regarding setting a Citywide speed

[33:28] at 25 mph there is a public hearing that

[33:31] will be on January 13th H Patrick did

[33:34] you have any other no that's I mean we

[33:36] just wanted to remind folks to about the January 13th public hearing um

[33:41] and again reinforce the idea that we're

[33:44] uh proposing this as a safety feature uh

[33:47] and and we'll see how it

[33:50] goes if there are no other items to

[33:53] Public Safety may have a motion for so

[33:56] all in favor

[33:58] I'd like to call the order government

[33:59] operations we have one item on the

[34:02] agenda um that is to review the chap

[34:05] chapter 28 the city council of President

[34:07] Porterfield thank you um so this well as

[34:12] we all know the chapter 28 governs how

[34:14] the city council works and this is

[34:16] coming before you because at our for our

[34:18] last special meeting there was some

[34:19] question about whether or not the

[34:22] notification was proper in terms of our

[34:25] special meeting um so in particular that

[34:28] the um it was delivered via email and

[34:31] whether that was considered personal

[34:32] delivery so um based on the

[34:35] recommendation from Corporation Council

[34:37] it seems uh the best course of action to

[34:40] actually include that specifically in

[34:43] the code to make sure that that that it's no longer a question so um

[34:49] what's coming before you tonight is

[34:50] actually to amend section

[34:53] 28-3 regarding special meetings and that

[34:56] email um

[34:58] be accepted as a a notice of delivery uh

[35:01] I will say that there were other

[35:02] questions that came up regarding the

[35:05] entire chapter which everyone has

[35:07] printed out for you um and in

[35:11] particular one of them was and Mr uh Mr

[35:15] O'Brien has given us copies of the the

[35:17] amount of time required for notice so at

[35:22] this point in time it's 3 days um there

[35:25] was a question whether it needed to be

[35:27] three days and he provided with the

[35:29] second City's class laws which says it

[35:31] can be um at least 24 hours and

[35:36] um yeah so um so really opening that

[35:39] discussion up whether we're um first of

[35:42] all to amend regarding the email

[35:43] notification and secondly whether we

[35:46] want to um to change the the length of

[35:51] time that the notice is required to be

[35:52] out in front and let me just add one

[35:55] other um one that I looked at that no

[35:57] longer longer really even makes well

[36:01] makes any sense actually is uh 28-31

[36:04] smoking in council chambers because you

[36:06] can't smoke indoors anywhere so we could

[36:08] just lose

[36:11] that so um so it's opening up for

[36:15] discussion on these

[36:17] items I just have a suggestion in terms

[36:20] of us saying um by email can we use the

[36:24] word

[36:25] electronic delivery

[36:31] I'm looking at this one

[36:34] yeah

[36:36] transmitter is this the um proposed

[36:40] resolution gra yeah so I'm suggesting to

[36:43] take the the electronic transmit here

[36:46] and replace it by by email so that way

[36:50] we're covering all the all the bases in

[36:53] terms of like we don't have emails we

[36:54] can do by Tex or any other forms of

[36:56] electronic mayor okay Mr

[37:00] Mayor well I would question that that

[37:03] you know it's how do you verify people

[37:06] are getting the proper

[37:09] notification and my preference for the

[37:12] wording would be for this official City

[37:15] email address you know because you say

[37:17] email addresses people

[37:20] have multiple ones they have business

[37:23] ones they have some that are active they

[37:24] have some that are

[37:26] inactive uh

[37:28] and you're going to get

[37:30] the fact pattern where again it becomes

[37:32] a question of whether or not people were

[37:36] properly

[37:38] notified president Port um I have the

[37:40] same concern saying electronic that

[37:42] means that you could text it to someone

[37:45] and none of us are given um none of us

[37:47] have phones that are given to us by the

[37:49] government we we're using our own

[37:51] personal phones so if something should

[37:53] come up then we and they need to look at

[37:55] our text message Etc that means you're

[37:57] turning over your own personal phone so

[37:59] I I would agree that email and

[38:01] government email I hadn't um thought

[38:02] about narrowing it down to that is

[38:04] probably the best way to do it um

[38:06] because I guess I was electronic also

[38:09] was indicated that it meant that by

[38:10] facts people are facts but that is

[38:14] electronic delivery so um I I support um

[38:17] you know using the government email but

[38:19] um I I would caution against us just

[38:21] opening up to electronic delivery

[38:24] especially given the fact that we don't

[38:25] have phones that are given to us for

[38:28] work

[38:31] purposes any other questions comments on

[38:34] that Mr Williams uh so thank you for

[38:37] bringing this forward um I did have a

[38:38] chance to read the chapter in its

[38:40] entirety and I think as you get to

[38:42] section

[38:44] 2018-14 uh there tends to be a lot of uh

[38:47] certain pronouns and I thought it would

[38:49] be important to have some gender neutr G

[38:53] gender neutral language um as glad to

[38:57] see that there have been a lot of

[38:58] progressive steps taken since

[39:02] 1989 thank you Mr I guess I would just

[39:05] the fact that uh as we're as we're um

[39:09] reviewing anything in the city code we

[39:11] want to make sure that we're using our

[39:13] Uh current luns of today so I think that would just be a best practice Mo

[39:17] for to have like home pigeons on so I

[39:22] think any other uh questions

[39:25] or thoughts on this so are we talking

[39:28] about meing this right

[39:31] now we couldn't because this is just

[39:34] Essen to review it and to bring up what

[39:36] people are bringing up the the gender

[39:38] using the government email and um what

[39:42] I'd like to see is for us to to provide

[39:45] the feedback that from today's meeting

[39:47] and then to bring it back in two weeks

[39:49] um to provide it to uh Mr O'Brien and

[39:52] then to bring it back for us to um

[39:54] review the changes that people are

[39:57] bringing

[39:58] forward Mr M can we just go ahead and

[40:01] call for public Hearing in the meantime

[40:02] because we have to amend the city chart

[40:04] at the same time just you know flushing

[40:06] out information because I don't think

[40:07] it's a lot of information needed to

[40:09] amend this section is more of a a few

[40:12] change language I I'm certainly fine

[40:14] with that I just want to make sure that

[40:16] people have an opportunity to give their

[40:19] input yeah find move we call a public

[40:22] hearing to amend the

[40:25] section Mr Mr chair chairman as the

[40:28] council president has said this this is

[40:30] an opportunity for you all to review

[40:33] thew the chapter 28 see what other

[40:37] things need to be amended call for the

[40:39] public hearing I guess that would be on

[40:41] January 26 uh 27th and now we'll give

[40:44] another committee cycle then to go

[40:47] through 28th and then do the the final

[40:49] res divisions and get that out prior to

[40:51] the uh prior to the public hearing so

[40:55] all those changes can be made at one

[40:57] time as just doing each

[41:00] here so I'll AC a motion for a public

[41:03] hearing um so second second those in

[41:09] favor I I have nothing else to come before

[41:14] government operations so motion to

[41:16] adjourn

[41:19] so we

[41:21] areour um all those in

[41:24] favor thank you I'd like to call the

[41:27] City development and planning we have

[41:29] two items on the agenda the first item

[41:32] is recommend recommendation to the city

[41:33] council from the Planning Commission

[41:35] regarding draft cannabis dispensary

[41:37] zoning legislation Miss

[41:40] barash

[41:44] um um IAM chair I'll take mrri okay um I

[41:49] also have uh Mr Connelly from the uh

[41:51] planning department here also to give

[41:53] out uh uh maps of of the districts uh as well as to explain what some of the

[42:00] districts are and while he's doing that

[42:03] um just a a bit of

[42:06] a you know refresh everybody's

[42:09] recollection this was last before you uh

[42:11] last month referral was made to the city

[42:14] plan commission to uh pursu of disc

[42:16] connected city code for their review and

[42:18] input uh they uh reviewed it and then

[42:22] they have submitted a uh their

[42:24] recommendation to you regarding this um

[42:28] the moratorium is still in effect

[42:30] however it's expires next month it's

[42:34] February 11th so with the cycle that

[42:38] they are and the time that it the time

[42:41] that it is um you're going to have to

[42:45] call for that public hearing for January

[42:47] 27th on the draft and then pursuing to

[42:50] article 12b the general Municipal

[42:53] law amendment of a zoning code that hits

[42:56] on the orders of other municipalities

[42:59] has to be ref uh referred to the County

[43:02] Planning Department because this is

[43:04] Citywide so these districts obviously

[43:07] are hitting the boundaries of all the

[43:09] neighboring communities so assum article

[43:12] 12b of the general Municipal law just as

[43:15] you recall from back in the spring of

[43:17] last year we had to do a referral up to

[43:20] the uh County Planning Department for

[43:22] The Vape ordinance for their comment and

[43:24] review uh uh review and comment the same

[43:27] thing here they have up to 30 days so

[43:30] you can see how time is now moving along here so um the two asks U

[43:37] before we get into the details here the

[43:38] two asks added for this committee and

[43:41] for the council for the next cycle one

[43:44] calling for that public hearing on the

[43:45] draft on on on the 27th of January and

[43:49] two a transmitt resolution of the draft

[43:53] up to County planning for their review

[43:55] and comment so those are the the asks

[43:59] the immediate asks that you uh that are

[44:01] before you to move the process along

[44:06] um regarding the uh the the the proposed

[44:10] ordinance is that the Cannabis

[44:13] establishments which include uh retail

[44:17] dispensaries um as well as uh uh onsite

[44:24] consumption

[44:25] and uh retail dispensaries uh and micro

[44:30] businesses with a retail portion with a

[44:32] retail portion that's the kind

[44:35] of aspect that brings them into our our

[44:39] code here um cannabis estab

[44:41] establishments is defined above and

[44:43] that's in the in the code that's

[44:45] highlighted for you and those

[44:47] definitions are before you um are going

[44:49] to be limited to as we discussed before

[44:52] the M1 the industrial districts M2 C4

[44:55] and C5 Zone districts and C2 and C3 Zone

[45:00] districts subject to special use permit

[45:03] and uh uh Mr coning will tell you about

[45:05] the special use permit and then uh so at

[45:09] this point I'll let I'll turn it over to

[45:11] him regarding the maps and as well as to

[45:13] explain those districts and giving

[45:15] examples into those districts thank you

[45:17] so what the map is showing the the map

[45:20] is showing schools and churches as uh

[45:23] provided by our assessment office um as

[45:27] the the legislation is going to prohibit

[45:29] any new dispensaries or onsite

[45:31] consumption spots within 500 ft of those

[45:33] so all those dots whether they be in

[45:35] residential zones or not um no no

[45:39] establishments going forward could be

[45:41] within 500 ft of those locations and

[45:43] vice versa if there is a new dispensary

[45:46] or outside consumption spot that comes

[45:47] in um a new school church so on and so

[45:51] forth could not operate in those areas

[45:54] without getting the approval from the

[45:56] zoning board to for those uses as uh you

[45:59] know dispensaries and onsite conception

[46:01] establishments have been deemed by the

[46:02] state and the office of can Canabis

[46:04] management as locations that are not fit

[46:07] for these locations you know around youth miners so on and so forth

[46:13] um the planning commission's

[46:16] recommendation was to have it have uh

[46:19] their main change from Mr O'Brien's

[46:21] original legislation was to have onsite

[46:22] consumption spots via special use permit

[46:24] only um as that gives them essentially

[46:27] more authority to protect the

[46:29] residential interests um General site

[46:32] plan approval well if it's just

[46:34] permitted as of right they don't

[46:35] necessarily have the authority to look

[46:38] at issues such as

[46:39] nuisances um if there's any fumes from

[46:43] uh you know smoking outside whatever it

[46:45] may be they don't if it was permitted as

[46:47] of right that wouldn't be aspects that

[46:49] they were able to look at having the

[46:51] special use permit gives them the

[46:52] opportunity to do so and although the

[46:55] Office of canas canabas Management has

[46:57] the authority to issue onsite

[46:59] consumption licenses they have not

[47:02] rolled any out yet so we don't know what

[47:03] these on-site consumption spots are

[47:05] going to look at and the Planning

[47:06] Commission made the recommendation to be

[47:08] more proactive with their zoning and if

[47:11] the time comes when these establishments

[47:14] are rolled out and they're relatively

[47:15] unobtrusive to neighborhoods and and

[47:18] Residences then we can roll back a

[47:20] little bit but the intent was to be

[47:23] proactive instead of reactive um and

[47:26] give them the most Authority possible to protect the interest of the

[47:31] residential neighborhoods that might be

[47:32] adjacent to our commercial

[47:34] corridors um Madam president yes um I

[47:38] would just ask Mr Connelly to tell us

[47:41] about M1 M2 C4 and C5 what are those

[47:44] districts and uh you know give us

[47:47] examples for those districts yeah so M1

[47:49] and M2 are strictly strictly industrial

[47:52] and warehousing no no residentials

[47:54] allowed um no single family multi family

[47:57] none of that nothing of that sort um as

[47:59] you can see in the second half of there

[48:01] Technology Drive is an example of a

[48:02] heavily industrial Corridor um the Lower

[48:05] Broadway and grand grand uh Street areas

[48:08] as well off of Broadway industrial

[48:10] they're very there there aren't many of

[48:12] these M1 and M2 corridors um but their

[48:15] Express purpose is to have the uses that

[48:18] aren't fit to be around the residential

[48:20] NE so we thought it would be appropriate

[48:23] to have it as of right in those areas um

[48:26] C5 is the least restrictive commercial

[48:31] Corridor it's it's essentially the

[48:33] closest commercial corridors that we

[48:34] have to these industrial districts so

[48:37] while it's closer and more adjacent to

[48:39] residential neighborhoods um we there aren't very many of them and we

[48:43] generally allow higher leniency in terms

[48:46] of the impact that uh businesses may

[48:49] have so for example Upper State Street

[48:52] past cross toown Plaza is one of our C5

[48:55] business districts um cross toown Plaza

[48:57] itself C5 um the section of Dwayne

[49:00] Avenue if you familiar with the the big

[49:03] storage Warehouse off of 890 over by

[49:06] Odell Street these are just to give you

[49:08] a brief overview of some of our C5

[49:10] districts um commercial but not

[49:13] necessarily in the same regard as a C2

[49:15] District like uh Broadway in bellw or

[49:18] van Franken in the north side which are

[49:21] commercial in nature but are much more

[49:23] residentially oriented than some of

[49:24] these C5 districts um and then C4 is our

[49:28] downtown which is intended to be uh you

[49:32] know very commercial in

[49:33] nature we have or should I say New York

[49:36] State the ocm has uh legislation in

[49:40] place to restrict how many

[49:43] establishments can be in proximity to

[49:44] each other I believe we can't have any

[49:47] dispensaries within 1,000 ft of one

[49:49] another so even though the downtown

[49:51] district is very residential in some aspects um that prohibits sort of

[49:57] an over congestion of U dispensaries in

[50:00] that

[50:01] area um Madam chair regarding the

[50:05] special use permit for um what are the

[50:07] criteria when what's the planning board

[50:09] mandated to to look at what are the

[50:12] things that the planning board has to

[50:14] look at if they have to if applicant has

[50:17] to go before and get a special use

[50:19] permit that's going to look at it it

[50:21] looks at the impact the the more

[50:24] holistic so to speak impact that it

[50:26] might have on the on the residences if a

[50:29] general site plan approval we look at

[50:30] purely code is this curve cut legal um

[50:34] you know as is the sidewalk up to code

[50:36] so on and so forth this is going to look

[50:38] at how traffic patterns might be

[50:42] impacted as a result of this um we were

[50:45] talking earlier about the noise

[50:47] pollution that's been happening

[50:48] throughout the city that gives us a

[50:50] greater authority to analyze that um for

[50:53] example something that's already

[50:55] issuance to AAL shoes permit is is

[50:57] drive-throughs in most areas um the

[51:00] reason being is because of the pretty

[51:03] significant traffic impact that that can

[51:05] have on Commercial areas that might be

[51:07] next to residential corridors um so it gives us an expanded area to to view

[51:13] those impacts and how it might impact

[51:14] the day-to-day lives that we wouldn't

[51:16] have if you know for example a more

[51:19] mundane use that that could be allowed

[51:21] in those

[51:22] districts if that answers your question

[51:25] thank you yeah

[51:27] um so Mr Brian so the current

[51:31] existing um locations for cannabis will

[51:35] they will not be impacted by that that's

[51:37] correct they'll be grandfathered in in

[51:39] other words there'll be IL legal non

[51:40] performing use as long as they remain in

[51:43] that particular business the minute they move out and if a cannabis

[51:49] establishment does not move in then they

[51:51] lose their legal nonconforming use so

[51:55] those entities that are where they are

[51:58] right now that may not have fit into

[52:00] this category will stay there until such

[52:03] time they they're no longer business and

[52:06] for those there's some that um haven't

[52:08] opened yet but they they've chosen their

[52:10] location which is outside of what we're

[52:12] currently discussing that this ises

[52:15] impact anything that's that's already in

[52:16] the pipeline anything that was already

[52:18] in the pipeline would have wouldn't been

[52:21] impacted they would have been

[52:22] grandfathered and this pursuant to the U

[52:24] the moratorium that you all put in place

[52:27] back uh in November I think and if they

[52:31] had put their applications in then they

[52:33] were grandfathered in as well um and I

[52:36] know that two of them also had to go

[52:38] through special use permits the ones

[52:40] that were already in the process also

[52:43] had went through the special use permit

[52:45] process uh and approval by the planning

[52:48] board and that there's only one

[52:50] outstanding there's one outstanding it

[52:52] still needs to get a special use permit

[52:53] as well that is for a drive-thru it's

[52:54] not a special use permit to allow the

[52:56] use

[52:57] um to the locations wanted

[52:59] drive-throughs for their establishments

[53:01] that's why they need the special use

[53:02] drive-throughs are you know I know that

[53:04] drive-throughs are allowed by the office

[53:05] of Canabis management are they

[53:08] yes

[53:10] okay all right Mr F sure I was just I

[53:14] was just uh curious as to like um is is

[53:18] this kind of similar to like what we

[53:21] look at when when people are like maybe

[53:22] trying to open up a a bar or a pub or

[53:25] something like that is there any kind of

[53:26] consistency and we view that to for the

[53:29] time being no in terms of onine

[53:32] consumptions for the comparison for

[53:34] consumption to consumption no no no just

[53:38] um right now it's going it right now

[53:40] it's a little bit more restrictive the

[53:42] reason is for two reasons first of all

[53:45] ocm has restriction guidelines in terms

[53:47] of distances that are not in place for

[53:48] bars um and secondly as I mentioned

[53:51] there's we don't have any guidelines on

[53:52] how on-site consumption spots are going

[53:54] to look yet um so if it turns out to be

[53:57] an instance where maybe it's it's only

[54:00] THC infus selters or gummies or things

[54:03] of that sort where there's no smoking

[54:05] allowed maybe we could roll back some of

[54:07] the restrictions we could analyze it as

[54:08] those licenses come out but we don't

[54:10] know if that's going to be the case yet

[54:12] we don't know if it's going to have

[54:13] outdoor smoking patios or whatever it

[54:16] might be we just don't know so that's

[54:18] why we did it the way we did I guess I

[54:21] was thinking along lines of like um the

[54:23] churches and schools like the proximity

[54:25] the church schools as far as like what our so if somebody wants to open up

[54:31] a pup next to a school or something like

[54:33] that it doesn't we don't have anything

[54:36] that this wouldn't be anything that

[54:39] uh closely mirrors how that not on the

[54:43] local level I don't know the state lier

[54:47] Authority keeps those distances as far

[54:49] as and a lot of the distance you see

[54:51] here are based on state law the 200 ft

[54:54] the 500 ft to a school

[54:56] to state law from state that was

[54:58] something that was discussed at the

[54:59] Planning Commission meeting they wanted

[55:01] to in some instances expand those to

[55:03] make it different Mr O'Brien advised us

[55:06] that we couldn't alter it one way or the

[55:08] other just because we had to comply with

[55:09] the state

[55:13] guidelines Mr Tom thank you how how many

[55:16] applications are still pending that

[55:18] would be grandfathered in just one

[55:20] there's one there only one only one

[55:21] outstanding we had two at the last

[55:23] meeting um we have one outstanding one

[55:25] on Eastern Park way going into they want

[55:27] to go into the Old Key Bank across from

[55:29] the Family Dollar over there that's the

[55:30] only outstanding one that's left on our

[55:33] agenda on your agenda okay how how many

[55:36] dispensaries are open in the city or how

[55:39] many with that one pending would there

[55:41] be eight or nine or so we have one on

[55:45] Upper

[55:46] Union three or four downtown one in the

[55:48] I knew there were a lot in PE kind of I

[55:51] the applications coming in so there were

[55:54] three that got in right before the

[55:56] atorium two of them two of them have

[55:58] passed along um one of them has not

[56:01] provided all the sufficient application

[56:03] materials necessary so there's still so

[56:05] kind of this is it really have there

[56:07] been any more that have come in no not

[56:10] since the moratorium has been in place

[56:12] no well just to clarify this is it for

[56:15] within you know that we that's not going

[56:17] to be relegated to the areas that we're

[56:19] talking about they can still be within

[56:20] the city it's just like M1 M2 and then

[56:24] speci I wondered if there were any p

[56:26] applications no the the only one that I

[56:29] mean the one on Eastern Parkway would

[56:31] not fit in with this legislation um

[56:33] that's the only last one that that would

[56:35] be grandfa and as Mr O'Brien said if the

[56:38] one on Eastern Parkway opens and then

[56:39] has a change in ownership or same same

[56:41] goes for the one on up Union Street

[56:44] those would then be subject to these

[56:45] regulations and and the process would be

[56:47] different going forward um so let me

[56:49] just there was another one on Eastern

[56:51] Park like almost across the street did

[56:52] that one not get through the process

[56:53] this is the same same owners so so that

[56:56] Family Dollar location didn't work for a

[56:59] myriad out of reason so they purchased

[57:00] the lot across the street oh okay okay

[57:05] interesting uh my and this question

[57:07] actually probably is for you Mr O'Brien

[57:09] so there is within the state guidelines

[57:12] no limit of the number that we can have

[57:14] within a municipality right if we can't

[57:16] cap

[57:18] it okay

[57:23] wow if we can't we can't but

[57:26] geez who do we talk to about I mean

[57:29] there could just be a number so I think

[57:31] um based on what we're doing it's

[57:33] probably the best way to go at least we

[57:35] can limit where they are if we can't cap

[57:37] the number within our

[57:42] municipality so at this point in time um

[57:44] those were recommendations and Mr

[57:46] O'Brien you're I'm sorry were there any

[57:48] other questions or comments thank you

[57:49] very

[57:50] much so Mr O'Brien so are you saying

[57:54] that we need to both call for a public

[57:56] hearing and and also pass that with

[57:59] transmit it to County Planning yes Madam

[58:02] president yes two two resolutions uh to

[58:05] pass you one call for the public hearing

[58:07] on the 27th on the draft and the draft

[58:09] going up the county planing for its

[58:11] review and com right Mr man did you have

[58:14] are there yeah are there um would this

[58:17] apply to any site that want to cultivate

[58:20] cannabis well that you know the

[58:22] cultivate is the micro business has to

[58:26] have a retail aspect to it and then you

[58:29] know if it's a if it's a a micro

[58:31] business is is for an analogy like a

[58:34] micro Brewery in other words they

[58:35] develop their own product they grow

[58:37] their own product and then

[58:39] sell so they have to have a retail

[58:43] aspect and that's what this is is

[58:45] looking at is retail and you know

[58:50] and as indicated every Everything uh is

[58:53] going to require a special use permit

[58:57] whatever can this establishment in the

[58:59] C2 and C3 distri

[59:07] districts and the uh on-site consumption

[59:10] is is Mr

[59:12] uh is indicated is is that that

[59:15] regardless of zone is going to require a

[59:18] special use permit because you would ask

[59:22] The Regulators the the

[59:24] applicants um and and us this is a

[59:27] developing area of the

[59:29] law and that's you know we're all going

[59:34] through this so if you ask any any of

[59:36] them um uh any of the actors The

[59:40] Regulators the local municipalities the

[59:42] applicants it's a a developing area of

[59:45] the law and I think that recognizes that

[59:47] fact giving local control but

[59:50] also allowing these but also taking in

[59:54] consideration how they fit in

[59:57] and so just a follow because you and I

[59:59] had already discussed it's about the

[1:00:00] micro businesses right and you have to

[1:00:02] have a we know that you already have to

[1:00:03] have an establishment um but my concern

[1:00:06] was that if you were had an

[1:00:08] establishment where could you actually

[1:00:10] what is the distance does it have to be

[1:00:13] 25 miles outside the city is it within

[1:00:16] 25 miles of of their business what is

[1:00:20] yeah Madam chair it's it's 25 miles if

[1:00:24] they have one in here within that 20 M

[1:00:26] radius their

[1:00:28] cultivation part has their cultivation

[1:00:31] part of the operation has to be within

[1:00:33] that 25 mile radius of where they're

[1:00:35] located for the retail

[1:00:39] operation and they would have to have a

[1:00:40] special permit to for the

[1:00:42] cultivation um in those those C2 or C3

[1:00:47] now you know you know regarding the

[1:00:49] cultivation aspect that has you know

[1:00:52] whole separate requirements as far as

[1:00:56] you know how many square feet

[1:00:58] Etc so

[1:01:00] um you could ask for a special use for

[1:01:03] the cultivation aspects of it for

[1:01:05] example cultivation aspects only not the

[1:01:09] retail aspects right so cultivation

[1:01:12] aspects because that's a whole different

[1:01:15] aspect it's not a retail it's not it's a

[1:01:19] cultivation well for the sake of the

[1:01:21] council um I I think that that may be

[1:01:23] something we want to consider uh for a

[1:01:26] special permit for a cultivation aspect

[1:01:28] because based on what what I'm

[1:01:30] understanding is that conceivably if you

[1:01:33] have a large enough property within the

[1:01:35] city you can use it for cultivation if

[1:01:38] you own or own an

[1:01:43] establishment I don't know how long is

[1:01:45] the large Jack you

[1:01:48] know I I don't know exactly the

[1:01:50] specifications for the lot size that

[1:01:52] would be required for this but you

[1:01:53] couldn't just put it anywhere you know

[1:01:54] it would still need to be commercial

[1:01:56] owned um and it would it would still be

[1:01:58] sub you know if it was M1 M2 C4 or and

[1:02:02] C5 C4 would probably not fit into that

[1:02:05] just because the generally speaking the

[1:02:07] lot sizes are smaller um M1 M2 C5 have

[1:02:12] been determined that those would be more

[1:02:14] suitable for it as they're more

[1:02:15] commercial more business

[1:02:16] oriented if it was that case C2 C3 would

[1:02:20] be as we said before special use permit

[1:02:22] and it wouldn't apply to any residential

[1:02:24] zones at all so Mr if you could just provide us with

[1:02:29] the information about the cultivation

[1:02:30] part of it I know that we're going to

[1:02:31] move ahead what you can do just you know

[1:02:33] just move things forward here is just

[1:02:36] you know we change that one aspect where

[1:02:39] it requires a special use permit for the uh the on-site consumption and just

[1:02:45] say micro bus the cultivation

[1:02:49] aspects not the retail but the

[1:02:51] cultivation aspects of of a micro

[1:02:54] business will require a speci

[1:02:59] yes I would I think that would um make

[1:03:02] it at least that would be some say and

[1:03:03] have to come before the Planning

[1:03:05] Commission

[1:03:06] yeah we can do that I I can you know

[1:03:09] I'll mark that up add that into that one

[1:03:12] section down there and then you can go

[1:03:14] forward with the resolutions and and

[1:03:16] you'll have the final draft for next

[1:03:20] week anyhow because it has to be

[1:03:21] transmitted up to the county so I'm

[1:03:23] going to add that language okay thank

[1:03:26] you any other discuss discussion on this

[1:03:29] okay so um our next item is to actually

[1:03:32] call for a public hearing regarding the

[1:03:34] zoning ordinance so second all in

[1:03:38] favor and um also additionally we need

[1:03:41] to um um have a motion to transmit to

[1:03:45] the count to County

[1:03:48] Planning some second all those in

[1:03:53] favor is there anything else to come

[1:03:55] before development and

[1:03:57] planning if not ask for a motion to

[1:03:59] adjourn so move second all in favor we

[1:04:02] are adjourned thank you like to call the

[1:04:04] order of the claims committee we have

[1:04:06] three items on the agenda tonight um

[1:04:08] three of these will need to be discussed

[1:04:10] in the ex

[1:04:11] session have Mo ex

[1:04:15] session second session all those in

[1:04:17] favor all we are exective session

[1:04:19] members of the public will have to

[1:04:26] [Music]

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