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[3:12] off govern offic

[3:15] first I'd like to call the ORD connect

[3:17] the city council committee meeting for

[3:19] Tuesday February 18th

[3:22] 2025 the first um committee is

[3:25] government

[3:26] operations I'd like to call order

[3:28] government operations we have two

[3:30] items on the agenda today the first is

[3:32] the United neighborhood appointment to

[3:35] cprb Mayor

[3:37] McCarthy thank you Mr

[3:39] chairman submitted uh I think have the

[3:43] attached

[3:44] resume which was the recommendation

[3:49] from son know council president raising

[3:53] a question on that but that just

[3:54] happened it's still in the code

[3:57] requiring that to be a standing

[3:59] organization where we take references

[4:01] from and so at this point

[4:05] to look to be able to get a quum on the

[4:09] board would ask for the council to move

[4:12] this forward well the email said that

[4:15] they're disbanding it and deactivating

[4:17] it for now so sun's not even going to

[4:18] meet until they can get a number of

[4:20] people there the email that Lori sent

[4:22] and um she's going to send it to the

[4:24] entire Council I just was got that one

[4:26] which I forwarded to you so I would hope

[4:29] that we could wait until they made that

[4:30] final decision before so you're going to

[4:32] change the criteria for the police

[4:35] Community review board also we would

[4:37] have to if they're going to deactivate

[4:39] because they're on it's in the cold that

[4:40] they are part of them but they're saying

[4:42] they're not going to meet anymore

[4:43] something that we don't have control

[4:45] over so if we could just wait until they

[4:48] she's on vacation right now and she

[4:49] comes back and we can have that

[4:51] conversation on what that would look

[4:52] like and hold up until

[4:54] then Mr um I have been in contact with

[4:58] the chair for the even prb unrelated

[5:00] this issue I will be attending their

[5:02] upcoming meeting in March I know they

[5:04] had a number of suggestions for changes

[5:07] so I don't think that would be uh that

[5:10] fall in line with addressing and

[5:11] bringing up this issue as

[5:17] well so I was wonder if we could just

[5:19] hold it for two weeks until m m uh the

[5:21] president of of sun comes back and have

[5:23] a conversation with her and I don't know

[5:25] if we'll need to change the code but

[5:26] they she her email clearly was that

[5:28] they're going to not be meeting

[5:32] okay I don't have any problem with that

[5:34] I don't have the information any other

[5:35] questions comments concerns around that

[5:38] I'm go to okay all right I'll bring you

[5:41] back two weeks um second item on our

[5:45] agenda is amending chapter 28

[5:47] disconnected the city code and updated

[5:50] update the outdated language president

[5:51] pteri thank you so uh we know that we

[5:54] had our initial concern and what brought

[5:56] this forward was uh about meet getting

[5:59] meeting this is via email versus in in

[6:02] person or or snail mail us U postal mail

[6:06] so we already changed that but in that

[6:08] conversation some other things came up

[6:10] that people FL the language is outdated

[6:12] especially as it related to gender so um

[6:15] that's what this Mr uh O'Brien has

[6:18] brought forward and put forward some

[6:20] things that and changed it from him to

[6:23] them or there or um or the member so

[6:26] this is for everyone to review I did

[6:28] have one other question though there was

[6:30] there's um one of the part on the code

[6:32] because this isn't the entire code right

[6:33] here right this is just what the

[6:35] discussions are last time so the one

[6:38] where the very last um item in there

[6:40] about uh smoking and Chambers um you can

[6:42] always leave that in there because that

[6:44] way in case the law on nationally or not

[6:47] nationally the the law Statewide changes

[6:50] no smoke in the chambers always that I

[6:53] mean it's it's it's you can delete it

[6:56] but it's always good to have I mean I

[6:59] think

[7:00] um I know it's it's Statewide but you

[7:03] never know therefore you just leave it

[7:05] as is okay whatever you want to do I to

[7:09] me it's it's null and void because we

[7:10] don't smoke inside I don't smoke period

[7:13] but um but if living it there is no harm

[7:16] then it yes M um I was just wondering on Section

[7:23] 2824 procedure for Resolutions it says

[7:25] that we have to get our resolutions to

[7:27] the city clerk no later than 12 12 noon

[7:30] on the Thursday and I think it's isn't

[7:32] it 1:00 or is that just practice now

[7:35] it's probably this is the code so this

[7:37] is

[7:38] the and because the reason um is that 12

[7:43] noon is because the legislative

[7:44] conference happens at 1:30 1:45 so Sam's

[7:47] given that additional hour to give you

[7:50] that room but if you want if we want to

[7:51] move it up we can we can always V

[7:53] strictly by the code and make sure it's

[7:55] I like the 1:00 the 1:00 works for me I

[7:58] just didn't know if changing in here

[8:00] she's just giving that the grace that

[8:02] you know so people can get it in the

[8:06] same Mr chairman if if the council's

[8:09] okay with proposed amendments as

[8:11] indicated in the outline here um we

[8:13] require a public hearing and I'll you

[8:15] can do a resolution calling for a public

[8:17] hearing and then uh this will be have a

[8:20] public hearing on the 10th and then you

[8:21] can take care of this on the 24 of okay so a motion to um

[8:32] call

[8:35] to move I I'll move it I'll call for

[8:39] public hearing when that will be the

[8:41] 10th of March okay I'll second okay all

[8:44] those in favor hi hi okay that's the

[8:47] last item on our agenda for government

[8:50] operations um so I take motion to ajour

[8:53] so move second those in

[8:56] favor I'd like to call to order the

[8:58] Public Safety Committee we have we have

[8:59] one item on the agenda tonight that is

[9:01] the discussion for the review of noise

[9:03] permanent applications

[9:05] Mr thank you uh Mr chairman um and thank

[9:09] you for holding this um until I get back

[9:12] um this is something that we have been

[9:16] working um with for quite some time for

[9:18] a couple years now and finally we were

[9:21] able to pass the noise amended noise

[9:24] ordinance and I think it's fitting that

[9:26] we um we also passed um look at a formit

[9:30] application that we put in place so that

[9:32] we do not deny someone who would like to

[9:35] do a 5-year-old birday party in the

[9:37] backyard but at the same time we want to

[9:39] put things in place that we can hold

[9:43] these private events in your backyard

[9:47] but at the same time have respect for

[9:49] others in the surrounding neighborhood

[9:51] so what we have here and I want to thank

[9:53] Corporation Council and staff for

[9:55] working with this and put this together

[9:58] and chief Clifford and team to review it

[10:01] and to come back with changes to the

[10:03] coporation council and to kind of um

[10:07] preliminary um agree with the format

[10:09] that we have in front of us here so what

[10:11] we have here I would like to just you

[10:13] know open up for discussion review and

[10:15] if you would like to suggest any changes

[10:18] or you would like to add anything or

[10:19] delete any any stuff let us know before

[10:22] we move for with this um perit

[10:28] application any questions M PTO so will

[10:32] in terms of getting a permit is it going

[10:34] to be similar to like when there's a

[10:35] street closing multiple departments have

[10:37] to sign off on it would it be similar to

[10:39] that was that your that was not the

[10:41] intent okay um Mr chairman the intent

[10:44] was that just right now the code says

[10:47] the the chief of police is the the

[10:49] designated person or there designate and

[10:52] that's what this is it goes to the chief

[10:54] police they make the decision they know

[10:58] you know where it's going to be and who

[11:01] the points of contact are and and just

[11:03] following up with Mr M veren's comments

[11:07] and and to thank him for providing us

[11:09] with models from the city of New York

[11:12] and some towns out on of Long Island so

[11:14] this this template that see you know is

[11:17] kind of a

[11:18] u combining those and trying to make it

[11:21] as simple and easy to use as possible

[11:25] okay thank you m p yes um thank you um thanks for putting this together um

[11:31] and I appreciate that we're doing this I

[11:33] just had a couple of questions um I'm

[11:36] wondering about the whole professional

[11:37] fundraiser thing I'm assuming it that it

[11:40] must be part of a law or something that

[11:42] the person has to be a professional

[11:44] fundraiser and where are you getting

[11:46] that from on the first page on page well

[11:49] in our packet is I think it's just it's

[11:51] kind of is the applicant just just

[11:54] putting us on notice this is a

[11:56] fundraising event or is it's a

[11:58] professional fundraiser is going to be a

[12:00] fundraising EV if you don't want to have

[12:02] that in there you don't have to have

[12:03] that in there that was something we saw

[12:05] in some of the applications out on one

[12:07] Island they have that mhm cuz I would

[12:09] think that there might be you know um

[12:11] smaller Grassroots organizations that um

[12:15] I I guess is that going to influence a

[12:17] decision about whether somebody gets a

[12:18] permit because just as an example

[12:21] someone might be having an event at The

[12:22] Pavilion at Central Park for example and

[12:24] they might just be a

[12:25] Grassroots volunteer organization that

[12:28] doesn't have um staff at all or

[12:30] professional you know you know what I'm

[12:31] saying so I'm not sure if we need that I

[12:34] guess what I'm I mean if go ahead so I

[12:37] think it's just for a point of

[12:38] information I don't think it's going to

[12:39] prohibit them from from smaller groups

[12:42] that you talked about from doing it it's

[12:43] just for our information to know who's

[12:45] actually putting it on is how I see that particular question okay and then

[12:50] um just two other things one is um in

[12:53] terms of the proof of identity which I

[12:56] think it needs to say proof of identity

[12:58] but um same on still on page one down a

[13:03] little bit got it um just wanted to

[13:06] inquire about that so I want to make

[13:08] sure that we're not um putting up a

[13:10] barrier um you know if someone doesn't

[13:13] have a driver's license I know it says

[13:15] other form of photo ID but you know that

[13:19] might be a passport um but I mean what

[13:22] would be the other acceptable photo ID I

[13:24] think the the beauty of that is official

[13:26] it it doesn't limit you

[13:29] from an official means some sort of

[13:31] government entity whether it be a

[13:33] passport or Sheriff's ID or a driver's a

[13:35] non driver's license ID issued by Motor

[13:39] Vehicles something like that so the so

[13:41] the because we are asking the

[13:45] individuals to be have a responsible

[13:46] contact responsible person Etc this is

[13:49] just a matter of confirming that we'll

[13:51] take some sort of official ID so the

[13:53] person who's signing this is who they say they are so it's it's I think

[13:59] by saying official photo ID we're not

[14:01] limited to any particular Source but it

[14:05] has to be a government and I think

[14:07] that's implied okay and then my final

[14:09] thing is um

[14:12] whether we need to ask someone's age I

[14:15] mean would there be um you

[14:19] know if it was just a teenager with no

[14:21] parent or Guardian um is that something

[14:24] that we want or once again I think it's

[14:26] for situational Awareness on

[14:30] right no we we don't have that on here

[14:32] we don't ask we don't ask them for their

[14:33] age I'm not again I'm not trying to put

[14:35] up barriers but I just want

[14:37] to I I don't you

[14:41] know I we have not asked and you're

[14:44] saying we should ask is that what you're

[14:45] saying I'm not sure I mean again must be

[14:49] over yeah that's what I was if it's

[14:51] using a public space if it's using no

[14:53] these are private um private this is not

[14:56] for public space these are for private

[14:59] um private events then maybe somebody

[15:03] would need to have a parent or Guardian

[15:05] so whe rather than ask someone their age

[15:07] we could if if if you feel there's a

[15:09] stipulation there should be a

[15:10] stipulation that younger a person under

[15:13] 18 let's use that it for example then we

[15:15] could always put in there that um

[15:17] permits are only issue to individuals 18

[15:19] and older well or have a parent or

[15:21] Guardian signature or something the that

[15:24] means that the parent would have to get

[15:25] the permit maybe the parent would be the

[15:26] getting the permit that's not a bad IDE

[15:29] yeah right so why don't we just add

[15:31] applicant must be over 18 yeah we I just

[15:35] good point good point no that makes

[15:37] sense so we can just put applicant must

[15:39] be over 18 years yes any other questions

[15:43] or comments um M Toro thank you so I I

[15:48] again will there be a cost associated

[15:51] with this yes that's what I was going to

[15:52] address we discuss it but um we just

[15:55] want to bring it to the council um there

[15:57] is no cost in the there is no fees for

[16:01] this I mean the the sound noise

[16:06] ordinance does not set a fee it says

[16:10] that that it this is issued by the chief

[16:12] of police and it does not set a fee so

[16:15] whether you want a set a fee that's

[16:16] going to require an amendment to the

[16:18] city code right now this is in keeping

[16:21] with the code this is this is an

[16:23] application based on the code if you're

[16:26] looking to formalize through a fee then

[16:29] you're going to have to have a public

[16:30] hearing and then the ordinance is going

[16:32] to be have to be amended so it's up to

[16:35] you what you want to do on on on that Mr

[16:38] I was say can can I finish I have a few

[16:41] questions is that was it an additional

[16:44] question or were you going to comment on

[16:45] that additional questions I think people

[16:47] going to comment on that response okay

[16:50] Mr so quickly what I was going to say is

[16:52] that um this seems like a tool so in

[16:56] case there's somebody at their house and

[16:58] having an event

[16:59] and it's loud and police have to respond

[17:01] and therefore we have a record of the

[17:03] point person who we can say listen you

[17:05] know this is the person in J in charge

[17:07] of this event so I think that that was

[17:09] the purpose for this more than uh trying

[17:12] to uh further tax people have another

[17:15] fee I don't think that that's the

[17:17] intention and then Mr M yes and exactly

[17:20] to the point when this was discussed

[17:22] initially is how do we utilize our

[17:24] police resource in a better way rather

[17:26] than we sending to office or there just

[17:28] to tell someone loading music down here

[17:30] we have information on the desk and

[17:33] precin to call this individual to let

[17:35] them know that you're you know music is

[17:37] loud we're getting complaint you need to

[17:39] turn it down if you don't turn it down

[17:40] we have to come out here we're going to

[17:41] have to issue a citation so this is kind

[17:44] of like helping to kind of utilize or U

[17:47] the Staffing in a better way at the same

[17:50] time um in terms of fees yes we did

[17:53] discuss it initially but um we didn't

[17:55] arrive we were talking about 100 we're

[17:57] talking about 50 we were talking

[17:59] $25 so I say let's bring it to the

[18:01] counil and let's see what collectively

[18:04] we can add because yes this will will be

[18:08] taken away sometime to put the permit

[18:11] together and things like that and to

[18:12] kind of like Mand this in a way that you know if there has to make calls and

[18:17] things like that so this this individual

[18:19] which we hope not um so I think um I

[18:23] have in agreement that we put a fee

[18:25] attached to this but how much I will

[18:28] defer to to my colleagues to say what

[18:30] about the best possible fee we can

[18:31] attach here and at the same time yes

[18:33] once we put a fee to this we'll have to

[18:35] call for a public hearing so I'd say in

[18:38] my response to that I would kind of

[18:40] respond the the opposing I don't agree

[18:43] with us putting in place a fe I think

[18:45] especially in a year where taxes both in

[18:47] the city and county I think there was an

[18:49] article saying that those have increased

[18:51] I would agree with Mr Farley that this

[18:55] my support for this was to provide a

[18:57] clear means of addressing just um

[19:00] excessive noise and then also providing

[19:02] the police as you highlighted with the

[19:03] point of contact I think if we attribute

[19:05] a feed to this too early I think it

[19:07] might deter people from processing

[19:09] forward with these um again I would look

[19:11] at this from a cost savings to your

[19:13] point Mr M if officers have this

[19:15] information at the beginning um this may

[19:18] make it easier for them to address potential uh calls for excessive

[19:22] noise and I know Mr turo had additional

[19:25] points but mine was going to say to add

[19:27] in a component that required or expected

[19:30] anyone submitting for a permit to notify

[19:33] their adjacent neighbors just so that

[19:36] ensures that there is just clear

[19:37] communication all

[19:42] around we can add that about the

[19:45] application applicant acknowledgement

[19:47] form we'll just add that and bold you

[19:49] know a whole bunch of acknowledgements

[19:51] down here we just add that Mr Carl um

[19:56] thank you so I guess uh my next question

[19:59] would be um we know that the response

[20:02] time for police for noise complaints can

[20:04] be very

[20:05] lengthy um who intends to make these

[20:08] phone calls and um having a party do you

[20:12] think uh the individual hosting the

[20:14] party has a cell phone on them all the

[20:16] time and if the music's Lou are they

[20:17] going to be able to hear the phone call

[20:19] which would prompt a visit from the

[20:20] police anyway meanwhile the neighbors

[20:23] next door are trying to enjoy an

[20:25] afternoon um of peace after a hard week

[20:29] of work or whatever gardening and

[20:32] there's loud noise I probably have more

[20:35] noise complaints and a combination of

[20:38] all of you sitting around the table from my neighborhood at times uh where

[20:42] the complaints are addressed 2 4 6 8

[20:47] hours later and only because that our

[20:50] Police Department is busy making other

[20:52] calls in the city I'm not in favor of a

[20:54] permit to make noise um I just don't

[20:59] think uh it's something that we should allow especially

[21:04] just we're going to tell you there's six

[21:07] points now that we just passed for noise

[21:11] but yet you where you're allowed to make

[21:13] noise if someone says you can make noise

[21:16] at a certain hour I I just don't think

[21:18] that we should have a sound here in the

[21:21] city Miss bfield so I don't I don't see

[21:24] this as a permit to make noise it's just

[21:26] trying to regulate because they because

[21:28] the noise is already being made the

[21:30] noise is already being made I'll finish

[21:31] my point and so this isn't u a permit to

[21:35] say hey you can make noise cuz they're

[21:36] already doing it this is a way for us to

[21:38] keep track of what's going on and and

[21:40] also we just added that the neighbors

[21:42] would have to be informed so this is

[21:44] just what for us to try to get a better

[21:45] handle on what's already going on and

[21:48] making people aware that you're you

[21:50] signing this permit that you will go by

[21:51] these guidelines that you will inform

[21:53] your neighbors and those things it's

[21:55] already happening we're just trying to

[21:57] essentially regulate what already

[21:58] happening not not saying make more noise

[22:01] cuz I am not going to pull a permit to

[22:03] make noise I don't I don't do that now

[22:05] and many of my neighbors don't do that

[22:06] now so I'm expected to start happening

[22:09] since we have this so who who who Mr

[22:11] mudon will be responsible for calling

[22:14] these individuals that are hosting a

[22:17] city code um is clear that the police

[22:19] department is responsible for this this

[22:22] forment must yes I mean and just to

[22:24] follow up on the council president's

[22:26] earlier comments the individuals by

[22:29] acknowledging you still have to comply

[22:31] with this connected city code in fact

[22:33] they're giv a copy of the ordinance and

[22:38] they still have to comply with the you

[22:41] know the the the sound re you know you

[22:43] know this the sound the noise limits as

[22:47] set forth in that code this doesn't give

[22:49] them an exemption this this is just

[22:51] saying this is what we're doing we're

[22:54] putting you on notice this is what I got

[22:56] to do and is just for for us and the

[22:59] city to go out and if there's any issues

[23:01] they have a point of contact in which to

[23:03] reach but in order to get this there

[23:06] they're getting given a copy of the code

[23:08] and the acknowledgement says and says I acknowledge the sound reproduction

[23:12] rules of section 1824 J applied

[23:15] regardless of a sound permit any

[23:18] violations of disconnected noise ordance

[23:20] will be prosecuted so it's putting them

[23:22] on notice in sound reproduction is um

[23:26] you know noise you know between the

[23:27] hours 11 p.m. and 6:00 a.m. the

[23:29] following day I mean you can go through

[23:31] all the requirements of that section

[23:34] dealing with that applies and they're

[23:37] put on notice that

[23:39] applies so they that's it's it's it's a

[23:44] point of contact it's putting them on

[23:46] notice and uh uh the noise ordinance

[23:50] requirements all comply uh before

[23:53] switching to Mr mudaron I would say I

[23:55] think an underemphasized point from our

[23:58] previous Year's budget proceedings was

[24:00] the fully um fully approving the

[24:04] budgeted request from the fire

[24:06] department and the police department so

[24:07] on paper they have all of their

[24:08] requested positions now does that mean

[24:10] they have them in departments no because

[24:13] there's some individuals going through

[24:14] the academy however that pipeline was

[24:16] fully funded so I'd say the expectation

[24:19] very much is for them to respond based

[24:21] on their priorit of calls but I would be

[24:24] hesitant to not enforce this sort of

[24:27] progressive measure based on the

[24:29] perceived challenges or obstacles again

[24:30] to miss porterfield's point I think

[24:32] having information on the front end

[24:34] ensures that any response is more

[24:36] streamlined which is Saving Time Mr M

[24:40] yeah um thank you Mr Brian for

[24:42] clarifying this I mean on page three it

[24:45] outlined that the requirements and the

[24:47] followup documents that will be

[24:50] accompanying this formit so in my words

[24:53] it's not a free-for all I mean you have

[24:54] to apply for this um this song format

[24:58] it's not a noise formit it's a song

[25:00] formit so we just need to clarify those

[25:02] words because words matters and uh they

[25:06] clearly um given um private um homeowner

[25:10] an opportunity to have an event there

[25:11] but at the same

[25:12] time you are doing it in a way that does

[25:15] not affect your M birs and the

[25:17] information that is being that is being

[25:19] put on the application is to help our

[25:22] police department and I'm sure there are

[25:24] police officers there at the desk that

[25:27] can eventually identify this and we're

[25:29] not going to have 10 15 20 formates per

[25:32] week I mean this going to come in a few

[25:34] formates for weeks but theyve been able

[25:36] to manage it better and this is you know

[25:39] that's how we looked at it in a way of

[25:40] managing it and utilizing the resource

[25:43] in a better way mrle yeah I think um

[25:48] adding on to what Shar this is just this

[25:50] is a piece this is about accountability

[25:52] as well as efficiency so if you have so

[25:56] if we're you know if the concerns there

[25:58] are our um police officers limited uh

[26:02] ability to respond to some of these

[26:03] things and thank you for highlighting

[26:04] that Mr that um the the request was

[26:07] fully funded what this does is instead

[26:10] of those to earlier point two officers

[26:12] may be going to a house whatever you

[26:13] have a point of contact so which makes

[26:15] it more efficient so it really should be

[26:17] doing um addressing another one of your

[26:21] concerns around like well you know 2 to

[26:23] 6 hours responding now if there's some

[26:25] if a call comes in they can say let me

[26:27] speak to Mr John hey you have your sound

[26:30] permit here um to let you know that

[26:32] there has been some complaints and being

[26:33] able to mitigate that and and it's

[26:35] really around that level of efficiency

[26:37] and accountability for the person people

[26:39] are far less likely to violate um the

[26:43] code if they are going about it um and and doing this in the right way and

[26:48] now it's the educational piece of hey

[26:50] this is what the code is this is what it

[26:52] says M

[26:53] Patrick um I'm still thinking about my

[26:56] question so Mr if someone doesn't get a

[26:59] permit then what

[27:01] happens same thing Happ well I mean my

[27:04] answer to that would then they get shut

[27:06] down because that's

[27:08] required something bring automatically

[27:10] we'll get somebody over there in 4 to 6

[27:17] hours but I I do know and I think at one

[27:20] point when we've talked about these loud uh parties or music or Sound

[27:25] or whatever you want to call it that happens in the neighborhood

[27:28] I I believe that the police have the

[27:30] ability to confiscate the equipment that

[27:33] I right there are depending on the set

[27:37] of circumstances yes and do we have any

[27:40] way and I thought I I thought that they

[27:42] said that they do have a deciel kind of

[27:44] reading uh so that or if they can hear

[27:49] it 50 F 50 ft so

[27:52] 50 yeah it's the there's a DB

[27:55] rating so many bells and also a what the common sense

[28:01] component where if it can be heard so

[28:04] many feet away within a certain 50 50 ft

[28:07] yes yes and if it can be Hur in any

[28:10] residence regardless of whether the

[28:12] windows of the open are open or not so

[28:14] it's 50 ft open or Clos it doesn't

[28:17] matter if somebody's can hear it they

[28:19] can hear it as they approach and it's

[28:22] obviously so one more question so should

[28:24] neighbors you know notify your neighbors

[28:26] and your neighbors aren't willing they

[28:28] might be having a little afternoon

[28:30] brunch in the backyard and they're not

[28:32] in favor of this I mean can they reach

[28:34] out to the police department and say U

[28:37] my neighbor is putting a request in for

[28:40] a having a DJ birthday party in the yard

[28:43] and uh I'm having something of my own

[28:45] that won't be of any nuisance to anyone

[28:49] um then what happens Mr far so wouldn't

[28:54] I mean again I think it states really

[28:56] clearly that you still even with

[28:58] applying for this permit you still have

[29:00] to operate within the existing

[29:02] parameters of the code so that doesn't

[29:05] take away any of that so if I put in for

[29:08] a sound permit and my neighbor was

[29:11] putting in for a sound permit and then

[29:12] I'm having um tea in my yard and their

[29:15] sound is still loud or louder than what

[29:18] it should be then we still have those

[29:21] existing graduated interventions that we

[29:23] would have now so um it this doesn't in

[29:26] any way shape or form allow people act

[29:28] outside of the code as it exists this

[29:30] just is another piece of accountability

[29:32] and efficiency to make sure they do

[29:35] so so should Che and every per they will

[29:39] uh they will accompany the city the

[29:41] section with regards to this uh the

[29:44] noise every everybody will get a copy

[29:46] everybody will have a copy attached to

[29:48] the form it so it's really going to be

[29:50] defined in there and they're going to be

[29:52] knowledgeable to know that you know if

[29:55] there are things that stipulate how do

[29:57] we conduct ourselves not because you

[29:58] have a permit you are free to do

[30:01] whatever you want there are also

[30:03] limitation Mr

[30:06] Mayor I'll defer to the council member

[30:09] Mr oh thank you so where will they will

[30:12] the permits be available online will

[30:14] they file in the F office or the police

[30:16] department they'll be filed with the

[30:17] police department because the current

[30:19] code says the police chief or their

[30:21] designate will issue it so it's a matter

[30:24] of working up the rules and regulations

[30:27] that the internally with the police

[30:29] department but the code already says the

[30:31] police chief can make rules and

[30:32] regulations to implement

[30:36] this uh Mr Mar

[30:38] yeah

[30:40] again in terms of quantity sometimes we

[30:44] get uh 8 10 15 sometimes 20 calls for

[30:47] noise backed

[30:49] up uh to make this

[30:52] enforceable I don't believe you can

[30:54] allow just anybody to apply for the

[30:58] perit it has to be a property owner

[31:01] somebody who has dominion and control

[31:03] over the site and that if in fact there

[31:07] is a poor choice in their judgment that

[31:13] the strength becomes you ability to go

[31:15] back

[31:16] and they are fined cuz you get there the

[31:20] police get there and say oh uh it's not

[31:22] me it's John mudon that started this

[31:26] permit but he left an hour ago oh no

[31:29] it's uh Carl Williams that did it you

[31:31] get this circular debate from people who

[31:34] are doing these events and you have to

[31:37] be able to have some ability to assess

[31:40] the penalty and go back to the property

[31:44] owner is what I believe the strongest

[31:48] message that we can send to try and get

[31:50] compliance from this m and I think one

[31:54] of the idea that we asked for the ID the

[31:56] ID matches the address uh for the

[31:59] applicant so can then that brought one

[32:02] question should we say resident and

[32:04] non-resident or should we remove the

[32:07] non-resident because that's a a good

[32:09] point brought up by in terms of buy you

[32:13] know linking this to the

[32:14] homeon or the person who's living at

[32:17] that address sorry I should broaden that

[32:20] Miss Patrick I guess you could change I hear what you're saying and that's a

[32:23] good point but if they're the owner

[32:25] might be the non-resident in other words

[32:27] so it might just the the semantical

[32:29] semantics in terms of owner or or or

[32:33] something like that but that's a that's

[32:35] a good point and the only other question

[32:37] that I had was um a process question of

[32:40] did did you um talk about this with with

[32:44] the police department yeah okay thanks

[32:47] it was V by the commission of Public

[32:49] Safety uh Eric Clifford and his staff

[32:53] great thank you and our cooperation

[32:55] Council

[32:58] yeah I have a couple of questions well a

[33:00] statement actually so because the mayor

[33:02] talked about well first of all I think

[33:04] that when if the police have to go

[33:07] somewhere in here we should have written

[33:09] that um the permit must be produced if

[33:12] police request because they may say oh I

[33:13] have a permit that we should let them

[33:15] know that if the police do have to come

[33:17] you have to produce the permit that's

[33:19] been issued um and in terms of homeowner

[33:22] or resident or whatever we're going to

[33:24] call them I guess for me the question

[33:26] becomes what if it's a PR event but it's

[33:28] at a it's someplace else it's in it's at

[33:33] a different venue rather than someone's

[33:36] home then it's not the homeowner but it

[33:38] definitely with the ID and whoever those

[33:41] things should match but the question

[33:42] comes up again what if it's I'm not

[33:44] holding it at my home I'm holding it

[33:46] someplace

[33:48] else I um go

[33:50] ahead yes I mean there is a responsible

[33:54] party has to be on premises Point time

[33:57] so there has to be they're they're agreeing that you know they're

[34:02] consenting to the inspection as well as

[34:04] that the responsible P

[34:06] primary party or primary point of

[34:08] contact shall be at the premises at all

[34:10] times wherever the premises is right yes

[34:13] that's where we're talking where this

[34:15] point is okay and um my other this is

[34:19] food for discussion do we want to add

[34:22] something that says if after a violation

[34:25] or a number of violations that people

[34:27] are no longer

[34:28] issued permits for a certain amount of

[34:29] time well though then we would have to

[34:31] change the code for that there's nothing

[34:33] in the code right now so you want you

[34:34] would have to the code okay Mr U thank

[34:38] you so I I do like the idea of the

[34:40] property owner for sure um having to get

[34:43] the so if it's hold off premisis like in

[34:46] a park a lot of people have things in a

[34:48] park do they need a permit to use the

[34:50] Park area they already do that's already

[34:53] done Park Department right so they'd

[34:56] have to um

[34:58] you know being in Central Park and up at

[35:01] Hill h a lot I mean there's just a lot

[35:03] of um it it's beautiful you know uh

[35:05] individuals who decide that day they're

[35:07] going to just set up overide the duck

[35:10] pond and have themselves you know little

[35:13] canopy bring a barbecue you know all the

[35:15] kids are there they got music flaring I

[35:17] mean is that being enforced that they

[35:19] have a permit to be there at that

[35:22] time and now with a sound permit as

[35:25] well you just brought up premises I'm

[35:28] wondering Miss Patrick I think it more

[35:31] is just um on the public um on the for

[35:34] example just to stick with the Central

[35:36] Park it's the Pavilion I mean it's know

[35:39] if they were on the you know the grass

[35:41] um somewhere in you

[35:44] know near the rose you know on the other

[35:46] side of the Rose Garden I don't think

[35:48] you required to have a permit to use the

[35:51] public facility in aart I'm sorry

[35:53] interrupt is a news person from Channel

[35:54] 13 supposed to see you at some point did

[35:57] you do you know anything about that no

[35:59] are you Mr M there yes should tell him

[36:02] he needs to leave yes okay he's not

[36:04] filming but well they're it's a public

[36:07] meeting so they can be in the building

[36:09] okay all right fine thank

[36:14] you so they need the permit anywhere in

[36:17] the park not just to rent not to use a

[36:20] space like Pavilion well in Central Park

[36:23] I'm sorry in Central Park you actually

[36:24] do have to pay for the Pavilion yes no I

[36:26] know I know that's why we get complaints

[36:29] in Central Park from people who bring

[36:32] their cars there turn music up to

[36:35] extraordinary

[36:36] levels and whose logic behind that I

[36:40] don't quite understand but it

[36:44] happens M yeah so um I just want to

[36:49] reference a couple notes that we're

[36:50] taken in so we're making some adjustment

[36:52] here so added to this application is

[36:55] applicant must be over 18 years

[36:58] and you must notify adjacent neighbors

[37:02] and um thank you for your point U permit

[37:05] must be posted so that way it's visible

[37:07] that uh if the police happen to show up

[37:09] there well they already know that

[37:11] there's a permit but it must be visible

[37:13] to others to to notify the the

[37:15] surrounding

[37:17] neighbors I'm still going to go back in

[37:19] terms of the cost I mean this across the

[37:22] board if you should not be charging or

[37:23] just could be pastro

[37:28] M bfield I'm I'm not in favor of

[37:29] charging at this point Mr Farley and

[37:32] know Miss

[37:35] Patrick so I yeah I I think that right

[37:37] now this is again about accountability

[37:39] and some level of efficiency so at this

[37:42] point I think that we don't need to

[37:44] assign a fee um to it uh because if

[37:48] anything this operates in the way we

[37:49] think it will make the enforcement of

[37:51] the existing noise ordinance uh easier

[37:55] to enforce without having those

[37:57] resources out so I don't see the logic

[37:59] behind the signing a feed to it at this

[38:03] time I mean I'm fine with that I think

[38:06] that um you know they'll have to pay a

[38:07] fine which is in the ordinates if if

[38:10] they you know break this

[38:13] it Mr

[38:17] Toro M uh Mr chairman you could always

[38:20] revisit this issue and add a fee and

[38:23] like to see how this rolls out and if

[38:25] you feel you want to add a fee to it you

[38:27] can do it a later date so you have that

[38:31] op U just being responsive to Mr M's

[38:34] question um Mr to you response um I'm

[38:37] not in favor of the permit to begin with

[38:39] but I if anything that has to generate

[38:42] time and paper and energy into um having

[38:46] a permit issue should be charged to

[38:51] fee and I just say uh in response to

[38:54] that U definitely reating what Mr

[38:56] highlighted this is a living document um

[38:58] just because something has passed

[38:59] doesn't mean it's going to fully address

[39:01] all the issues so I think it's going to

[39:02] require us to continue to UM Vet any

[39:07] complaints or U comments that we reive

[39:10] in regards to this and just as a city

[39:12] it's our requirement to be responsive to

[39:14] those in Good

[39:16] Nature Patrick yeah that was kind of

[39:18] what I was going to say was um maybe you

[39:20] know once first of like when would this

[39:22] go into when would this start and then

[39:25] um could we have an evaluation period

[39:27] you know set something like 6 months or

[39:29] whatever I don't know but um where we

[39:31] come back and um evaluate whether this

[39:34] is working or you know what are the

[39:36] tweaks that type of

[39:40] thing is this is this change the the

[39:44] code in there and in

[39:49] the existing fee structure for say the

[39:53] street closing perits or is that able to

[39:58] be done by resolution

[40:01] or by ordinance Chang got be ordinance

[40:04] especially for this

[40:06] because right now it's the noise

[40:08] ordinance doesn't have it never created

[40:10] that so it's just the council or time

[40:13] has always tried to move away from the

[40:15] change by ordinance but to be able to

[40:18] change it by resolution so that if you

[40:20] were putting it in it just simplifies

[40:23] the process down the road what what you

[40:26] could do do going forward is amend the

[40:31] code allow for the fee and then say any

[40:34] subsequent changes to the fee will be

[40:35] done by

[40:37] resolution but still I mean that's going

[40:40] forward if you decide to do a

[40:42] code Mr chairman just for the you know

[40:45] for the short term I will go back take

[40:48] the revisions that were discussed here

[40:50] tonight and then two weeks I'll give you

[40:53] a final draft and then you can take one

[40:56] last look and then you can just pass

[40:59] that out the committee it doesn't

[41:00] require any legislative action and then

[41:03] our office the legal office work with

[41:05] the police department on the the process

[41:07] on the way ahead of working this

[41:10] out uh Mr thank you for your work on

[41:13] this is that a suitable recommendation

[41:15] back in two weeks with the Chang that's

[41:17] fine yes look there's changes we need to

[41:19] see the revised verion and move for and

[41:22] thank everyone for uh you know your

[41:24] input in regards to this thank you okay

[41:27] uh if there are no other items thatall

[41:29] Public Safety can I please have a motion

[41:31] to adjourn second all in

[41:34] favor I'd like to call the order St City

[41:36] development and planning we have 10

[41:38] items on the

[41:39] agenda um the first item is just to Mrs

[41:43] car is not here but simply a reminder

[41:45] that St Clair's Redevelopment and

[41:47] resoning will have a public hearing on

[41:50] the 24th of

[41:52] February the next item is a ceremony

[41:54] resolution recognizing Reverend Bradley

[41:56] Jones Mr T yes thank you so

[42:00] uh Reverend has been a constant

[42:03] throughout our uh years here at the city

[42:06] council with prayer and invocation for

[42:09] us and uh he's retiring and um we like

[42:12] to uh see that we give him a u

[42:15] ceremonial resolution at his requirement

[42:18] service in April and I've been in CL

[42:20] with his office and they will give us

[42:23] some information uh that we can put on

[42:25] the ceremonial resolution for him

[42:27] any questions or comments I'm Mo second

[42:30] all in

[42:31] favor the next is a ceremonial

[42:33] resolution recognizing women's History

[42:35] Month Miss pck yes thank you um women's

[42:38] history month is the month of March um

[42:41] and we have uh done this in the past

[42:43] where we've had a ceremonial resolution

[42:45] recognizing women's History Month this

[42:47] year uh the 2025 theme for women's

[42:50] history month is moving forward together

[42:52] women educating and inspiring

[42:55] generations and so it really talks about

[42:58] uh the ability to be able to nurture um

[43:01] in all of us but you know in young

[43:03] people um you know how educators uh do

[43:06] nurture the idea of having critical

[43:08] thought and and being able to have

[43:11] debate and how that impacts impacts our

[43:14] uh democracy um so I'd like to honor

[43:18] that any questions or comments I'm Mo

[43:21] those all second all in favor I thank

[43:25] you the next item is a ceremonial

[43:27] resolution welcoming the New York

[43:28] Phoenix basketball team to SKC Mr

[43:31] Williams so I going

[43:34] to curtail my excitement but I am beyond

[43:38] uh uh for the longest time I've been

[43:41] looking forward to a professional team

[43:43] returning to SKC um as we highlight um

[43:47] the achievements of

[43:50] um black or African-American teams in in

[43:53] Prior years past with reference to the

[43:54] mo Giants I think skincity and our our

[43:57] booming City and the progressive steps

[44:00] we're taking uh having a sporting team

[44:03] that we can allow the city to Rally

[44:05] behind um and I think looking beyond the

[44:07] family fun and affordable entertainment

[44:10] truly evaluating them on their

[44:12] commitment to uh mentoring and putting

[44:15] in place a lot of Youth Development

[44:17] opportunities truly speaks for itself so

[44:19] I am uh calling in the existence that

[44:21] this will be a successful partnership

[44:23] and I hope that I will see you all on

[44:25] their opening night on the 20

[44:27] I already brought my season courtside

[44:30] tickets and I'm I'm identifying myself

[44:32] as a Courtside season ticket

[44:34] holder um but I'd be excited to um see

[44:38] the support to push this forward Mr

[44:40] Mayor Madam president will council

[44:42] member Williams make the first basket

[44:45] present the resolution or if they allow

[44:47] him I think he would really want to do

[44:50] that it's all excited official

[44:54] jersey I'm I'm about this oh I'll second

[44:57] it all those in favor I thank

[45:00] you um the next item is the lease

[45:03] agreement 13 North Broadway M M

[45:06] Bar

[45:10] um so the city parking lot on North

[45:13] Broadway and Liberty Street uh there is

[45:15] a uh section of Green Space um take a

[45:20] look at the

[45:22] separate um page in your folders excuse

[45:26] me can I I thought we were um there was

[45:28] an email that we were bringing this back

[45:29] in 2 weeks Oh I thought so but you

[45:31] called on before okay well then I

[45:33] thought that you okay your back I just

[45:36] wanted to you give you that

[45:40] opportunity I beg your pardon yes you

[45:43] were so we'll be bringing this back into

[45:45] two weeks have to go to make sure that

[45:48] everything is um all the information in

[45:51] the uh permit was correct as the

[45:52] information I

[45:55] received okay

[45:58] um the remaining items are property

[46:00] sales we will handle those in the

[46:01] executive

[46:03] session so I will ask for a motion to

[46:06] recess so move second all in favor we

[46:09] are recessed thank you I will call to

[46:12] where the claims committee we have one

[46:13] item on the agenda tonight I'm pretty

[46:15] sure that needs to be discussed in

[46:16] executive session yes Mr chairman all

[46:19] right so I'll ask

[46:20] for

[46:22] oops it's just him he left okay can you

[46:27] see him can you see him

[46:31] he for one

[46:34] minut you has some kind of

[46:41] BU you too what's that fight for I think

[46:46] called

[46:47] yeah he

[46:50] sick Sam Sam

[47:06] uh just asking for a motion to enter

[47:08] executive session so move all right I

[47:10] second all those in

[47:13] favor members of the public will have to

[47:15] leave

[47:21] [Music]

Schenectady City Council Committee Meeting, February 18, 2025

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