[0:00] Um this is the followup for the last

[0:01] meeting where we started to talk about

[0:04] um fees and we also talked about um

[0:06] there was the one point that Demani had

[0:09] brought up on the rules um regarding

[0:12] having the parent or guardian and what

[0:14] age. So I think if we start um talking

[0:18] about sort of fees and I know that uh

[0:21] you guys have had we've been talking

[0:22] about fees and how to manage Yeah. I

[0:26] think these Yeah. So um and I did have a

[0:31] conversation with Bill today also. So I

[0:34] have some insight as to what you guys

[0:36] discussed. So do you guys want to talk

[0:38] about that?

[0:40] Director of parks. Well, one of the

[0:42] things we've looked at, Carmela, is when

[0:44] we're looking at collecting the fees,

[0:45] the we're not sure how many

[0:47] non-residents we expect at the pool, as

[0:49] in adults and kids, there's a concern

[0:52] that we have some startup costs in our

[0:55] budget that we're going to have to come

[0:56] up with money

[0:57] with. And without having any data saying

[1:00] we expect, 1500 adults or there's a

[1:02] concern that we're never going to make

[1:03] that money back again. We're going to

[1:04] have a deficit built already,

[1:08] right?

[1:10] So, it seems like maybe there's more

[1:12] that has to be done um before we can

[1:15] consider doing it for this summer. Well,

[1:17] I think the one thing is last summer,

[1:19] you know, we we we we rush to get

[1:21] everything dug. You know, got our

[1:22] chemicals in. Um we were

[1:25] still sort of playing on the chemicals

[1:27] the best way to run the pool, operate

[1:29] it, and you know, a couple things I've

[1:32] heard. And so, you look at that new

[1:34] cost. So if we're looking at collect

[1:36] fees, you know, obviously we're not

[1:37] going to collect fees that are going to

[1:38] offset the cost of our pool. It's not,

[1:41] you know, the expenses running and

[1:43] operating pool even for the, you know, 8

[1:45] to nine weeks. I don't think we could

[1:47] ever we can't recoup that much in in

[1:50] Yeah, you can't do it in a 9 week

[1:51] period. I mean, you know, we contract

[1:54] out the lifeguarding, you know, you have

[1:56] the chemicals. We have, you know, our

[1:58] staff that's going every morning to

[2:00] vacuum the pool, make sure the, you

[2:01] know, the chlorine is the right level

[2:02] before it even opens.

[2:04] um we put in the in the budget this year

[2:07] for uh security for the nine weeks. So,

[2:12] you know, we don't, you know, look until

[2:14] we get a the true cost, what it's going

[2:17] to cost us on the pool. Um and the other

[2:19] that came up with this, you know, from

[2:21] one of the guys did here last year, one

[2:23] of the things

[2:24] was, you know, if we get all the

[2:27] residents, if they have the proper ID,

[2:29] they'll come in for free or do they pay

[2:31] a fee? We don't know. non-residents do

[2:34] they pay the fee or they log last year

[2:36] because we didn't meet the limit on

[2:38] capacity. It was hot last year.

[2:42] There was some complaints that

[2:44] um city residents couldn't be in the

[2:46] pool. They're

[2:48] taxpayers and you know we have non-

[2:52] taxpayers because they pay well actually

[2:54] have to pay you have a fee for them. If

[2:58] people pay non- taxpayers then the tax

[3:01] the payers they can't get in. They're

[3:03] standing in line. We have to turn them

[3:04] away. So there's things you know we have

[3:07] to take into consideration. That's all.

[3:09] Um you know with the fee structure um

[3:13] you know we have fee structure non

[3:16] residents and residents. We have a

[3:18] capacity level. When we're full what

[3:21] happens? you get, you know, half the

[3:24] people they were going in and they were

[3:26] paying customers because they're

[3:27] non-residents, but then we have a bunch

[3:29] of families out there with kids that

[3:30] can't get in and they're city residents

[3:32] and they say, "Well, we paid the taxes

[3:34] to build this school." Yeah. Or

[3:36] whatever. You know, so I think that's a

[3:38] decision that has to be at least thought

[3:40] about. Yeah. I think that um the last

[3:44] couple of meetings that we've had with

[3:45] this committee, I think we were all

[3:46] pretty much in a we all were in

[3:48] agreement that residents would not be

[3:50] paying a fee uh to use to use the pool.

[3:53] So I think the only thing that was under

[3:54] discussion was was you know

[3:56] non-residents but I think given the

[3:58] given fact that you know we would have

[4:01] different equipment that we would need

[4:02] it we have to figure out staffing and we

[4:05] haven't um thought about that in terms

[4:07] of this year's budget. Um it seems to me

[4:10] like we spend time you know still and we need data uh that you guys will

[4:16] be collecting this summer. So it see it

[4:18] seems like you know we have to sort of

[4:20] put that idea of having the fee

[4:23] structure sort of on hold so we have the

[4:26] data and can make some decisions and

[4:29] sort of return to that discussion so

[4:30] that we're ready to go for 2026. We

[4:32] tried to anticipate some of the costs. I

[4:34] mean, like I said with the security, you

[4:36] know, our chemical costs, you know,

[4:38] different things. Um you know and you

[4:41] know this we have a meeting scheduled

[4:45] for next week um with Boys and Girls

[4:48] Club

[4:49] um to start talking about you know their

[4:53] role

[4:55] uh you know and again a contract with

[4:57] them what their fee would be for this

[4:59] year to operate in all three pools. Um

[5:03] yeah so you know hopefully we'll meet

[5:06] with them on Monday um and hopefully you

[5:09] know it's a drought contract some ideas

[5:11] just ask some technical

[5:13] question you don't seem to have a quum

[5:16] we don't so um I did check that we could

[5:18] still move we have all these wonderful

[5:20] people have come u but uh Dorian and

[5:23] Demani are not here so we don't have a

[5:25] quorum we can't vote on anything but um

[5:28] we could still at least discuss some of

[5:30] the issues and then next week when we

[5:31] have city council committee. Um I'll try

[5:34] to bring some things forward and

[5:37] um and you know try to vote some things

[5:40] out of committee if we have if we have

[5:41] to make decisions. But I I think it's

[5:44] sounding like um at least for the summer

[5:47] of 2025 we may not be um might not be

[5:50] the right timing to be able to try to

[5:52] figure out a new structure for this

[5:53] summer. Is is that what we're hearing

[5:55] pretty much? You know, I you've been

[5:58] doing a lot of research on I've been

[6:00] looking at everything and one of the

[6:01] things one of the questions I had is are

[6:02] we going to charge out all the pools?

[6:05] Well, that that is a decision that has

[6:06] to be made. I think again when we've had

[6:08] the last couple of meetings we've been operating thinking that what

[6:12] we decide for one of the pools would be

[6:14] the same for all pools. Um but I can't I

[6:17] mean again without my colleagues here um

[6:21] you know how do you guys feel about it?

[6:24] Well, again, it's how we manage it. We

[6:27] would, you know, if it's all the pools,

[6:28] we have to somebody taking those fees

[6:31] every day and all the pools. And who is

[6:34] it? Who is it going to be? Is it are we

[6:36] going to ask our our contractor, which

[6:38] would be Boys and Girls Club, if they

[6:39] want that responsibility and liability?

[6:41] Is it going to be the city who put

[6:43] somebody there? Um, and then at the end

[6:46] of the day, you know, that would have to

[6:49] come to a city hall or a golf course or

[6:51] somewhere where, you know, Yeah. which

[6:54] is and where do we collect it? I mean,

[6:55] yeah, if you do it, you know, if you do

[6:58] it at the one park, you

[7:02] know, you know, somebody doesn't have

[7:04] money, but he is a credit card. I mean,

[7:06] I you know, it's just it's you go to the golf course and pay,

[7:11] but if you're you know, if you're at

[7:13] Hillhurst, not

[7:16] quite Front Street,

[7:19] right, we just have somebody at the gate

[7:22] charging. Yeah. I mean, do we do

[7:24] seasonal a seasonal fee where they can

[7:26] come, you know, even to here, you know,

[7:27] ahead of the season to That's one thing

[7:30] you talked about when I spoke to Derek,

[7:31] we had talked about the kiosk, too. The

[7:33] kiosk came with a lot of different

[7:35] options, but we have to get it

[7:37] programmed. We have to have the option

[7:39] of trans fee transaction, how's the

[7:42] money going to be processed, maintenance

[7:44] cost, what happens if our machine breaks

[7:45] down, what do we do for the day now? So,

[7:48] it's just not the basic, you know, I've

[7:49] done some research on the basic cost of

[7:51] the machine, but then there's everything

[7:52] else added on top of that. Have you

[7:55] would you um want to, you know, several

[7:59] of the other pools locally do um charge

[8:03] um maybe we should be trying to have a

[8:05] conversation with some of those folks

[8:06] about how they I mean, MSU is only their

[8:10] resident state, but so they don't

[8:11] charge. They don't charge. I I had given

[8:13] all I gave all the materials to um the

[8:15] building. So I had looked at comm

[8:20] um Scotia

[8:23] and this unit only lets in res which

[8:27] again if we decide that that's what we

[8:29] wanted to do then

[8:31] same thing I mean we wouldn't be

[8:32] charging a fee.

[8:37] Yeah. But just to make clear, this is

[8:39] not there's not a form. So this is not a

[8:41] committee meeting, right? I know you

[8:44] want to look through it today. It's

[8:45] totally your call to do it, but you may

[8:47] have to do it again next time in case

[8:49] your other committee members want have

[8:51] questions or want.

[8:55] Yeah, I think maybe we should just

[9:01] reschedu in place charge for the golf

[9:04] course. We have it for the tennis. some

[9:06] people take advantage of don't pay.

[9:10] Uh the 26 budget is going to be a

[9:16] challenge to get the numbers to work and

[9:18] I can't

[9:20] have things just kind of out in the

[9:22] limbo. Got to have something in place

[9:24] that I can manage and be able to uh

[9:28] cover the appropriate cost. So, we have

[9:30] to make those decisions before, you

[9:33] know, so that we can um incorporate that

[9:35] into the 26 budget, right? I need during

[9:40] the 25 year to debug it to get it out,

[9:43] whatever it is. Yeah. Yeah. Yep. Yep.

[9:46] So, um I know the cost of the equipment

[9:50] that we've talked about in terms of the

[9:51] kiosk and that kind of thing. That's why

[9:53] I asked Derek to come because I I spoke

[9:56] with Gary. I started looking at some of

[9:57] the stuff where Derek brought us some

[9:58] good points that we needed to look at if

[10:00] we were going to go to a kiosk.

[10:04] Do you want to share those? Um like

[10:07] basically touch on that was the

[10:09] maintenance costs you know if it breaks

[10:11] down what's the uh turnaround

[10:14] someone come in and fix that. If it does

[10:16] break down what we close the pool we

[10:19] charge people we just let them in.

[10:20] There's a lot of variables at play. Uh

[10:24] then still, you know, we don't know if

[10:25] we have the boys and girls up there. We

[10:28] want them to mean that or be able to do

[10:31] something if the machine breaks down.

[10:33] But there's a lot of development to it.

[10:36] Negotiations with our bank, right? Is

[10:38] someone that's going to do for us? Well,

[10:41] we have to pick a mering service and

[10:43] find the best rate. Um so I mean that's

[10:46] pretty easy. confidence out there.

[10:50] This is summer we use nine weeks a year.

[10:52] That's right. We use it nine weeks a

[10:54] year. Yeah. Yeah. So then what do you do

[10:57] with the

[10:58] equipment here?

[11:06] It wouldn't be nine months, right? Nine

[11:08] weeks. Nine weeks. So I thought you said

[11:09] nine months. I was like 9 weeks.

[11:13] Yeah.

[11:14] day or night depending on the weather,

[11:15] depend on the calendar, depend on

[11:17] staffing.

[11:18] Yeah.

[11:22] So, how well again another day another

[11:25] day. That's I think we're going to have

[11:27] to reschedule, but those are the

[11:28] questions that we'll have to we'll have

[11:29] to be prepared to try to figure that

[11:31] out. We're going to have to reschedu

[11:33] time to be able to help you, you know,

[11:34] give you guys the

[11:37] biggest analysis. Well, it's to be able

[11:39] to implement it this year to order a

[11:42] kiosk to modify the intake doesn't

[11:47] happen overnight. I got to look at the,

[11:50] you know, the golf course is doing well.

[11:53] Got to look at the pools. Got to look at

[11:56] the tennis courts we're going to put

[11:58] money in.

[12:01] I think whatever software you go with

[12:03] should be used in the tennis

[12:06] courts and vice versa. You know, could

[12:10] be a kiosk that is versatile. If you, know, you want to play tennis, you

[12:14] go to the house, you just pull one of

[12:16] the parking meters up there and just

[12:19] putters in to put your social security

[12:21] number in and that should be license

[12:23] plate. And this year the work schedule

[12:26] for the tennis court, so there's not

[12:27] going to really be no Yeah, the tennis

[12:29] court.

[12:31] Yeah, but we're going to spend a huge

[12:34] amount of money on courts. Yeah, I got

[12:37] to have a design to be able to handle

[12:40] this. So, you want say that it's park

[12:43] launch, anybody go in there and play.

[12:44] They don't have to do anything and we

[12:46] look like fools. I need to know that,

[12:49] right?

[12:51] I mean, I've been wanting us to be

[12:53] charging for tennis, you know,

[12:55] participation for there are some things

[12:57] that we that we're looking at with the

[12:58] tennis uh they know from uh 15 level

[13:01] stuff. She hasn't got us back

[13:02] information, but there is a program now

[13:04] that they use to pay pass. So, it's

[13:07] something we're looking at so we get so

[13:08] when the construction happens,

[13:09] everything's put in place already. So,

[13:11] we don't have to go back take up again,

[13:12] put everything in place. It's got to be

[13:14] a software system that goes from like

[13:16] gate entry. Yeah. that's given to you

[13:19] from the the kiosk for the gate entry

[13:21] gates are online and then when you enter on the

[13:26] gate they report you in it's a I forgot

[13:28] what you call it the name of it but it's

[13:30] something that's big it's out in

[13:31] Oklahoma the system she's getting more

[13:34] information I tried to go on my credit

[13:36] card number and stuff like I'm not

[13:37] coming to Oklahoma but yeah Julie's

[13:40] gonna you mean Julie's getting I mean is

[13:42] going to be involved in this uh Amber's

[13:44] looking at right now to get us stuff

[13:46] into construction

[13:48] Mr. Send the security

[13:52] downstairs driver's license.

[13:57] Not anymore. Never really did.

[14:00] Never did. Your

[14:02] ID record.

[14:05] But is that equipment still there?

[14:08] It might

[14:10] be. Scan a driver's license. So if we

[14:13] use driver's license, school ID is the

[14:17] validation for entering. We might have

[14:21] the equipment software already in

[14:26] place. Most of that we did was input

[14:29] information and it wasn't I thought

[14:34] SC they're small because when I go to my

[14:37] doctor's appointment, they take my

[14:39] medical card and they Yeah. my ID, they

[14:41] scan it at the fact they give it back to

[14:43] me in, you know, 10 seconds. I mean,

[14:45] they just got a little machine. They

[14:47] scan my license cards. Does both sides.

[14:51] Well, I mean, isn't that something that

[14:53] Ban can help us figure out or somebody

[14:56] on his team?

[14:58] Is there a cheap intermission for the

[15:00] first year where like the uh vendors

[15:03] outside here that that uh you know do

[15:05] the the the market out there they have a

[15:09] small tablet like this that they're

[15:11] using Apple Pay and we accept a Venmo or

[15:15] Apple Pay just in you know

[15:19] and get away from the kiosk and just go

[15:22] with a small like we're sort and just

[15:26] bang And this is it. This is all we take

[15:28] Apple and Venmo and just pre-charge

[15:32] them. And

[15:34] that's just correct me if I'm wrong.

[15:36] Nine residents or residents are free.

[15:38] Correct. Or residents. I mean, we've

[15:40] been saying that residents would be

[15:42] great. I mean, we've been saying that

[15:43] from day one, we'd be collecting just

[15:46] from a a non-resident, right?

[15:49] Non-resident, whatever that rate, you

[15:52] set up this year to start as an

[15:54] evaluation.

[15:56] um a small program it be set on the desk

[16:00] and I don't know if it's you know

[16:02] seasonal do this or is it you know a

[16:06] point person from boys and girls club

[16:10] there may be you know but we wouldn't

[16:12] have to pay I mean obviously if it's a

[16:14] seasonal person we'll have to pay that

[16:16] well

[16:18] boys they're going to you probably want

[16:20] to know where you went for your contract

[16:22] negotiation with boys and girls so you

[16:24] know that was going to be something that

[16:26] we were we were going to bring that up

[16:27] is you know if there is if the city does

[16:30] set up some type of fee structure

[16:32] residents is this something that was no

[16:35] matter what we choose whether it's a you

[16:37] know card system or something you know

[16:39] are they interested in managing it for

[16:41] us if they say no they don't want the

[16:42] liability it's going to fall back on the

[16:45] city and our staff to do it okay your

[16:48] meeting is um after our city council

[16:50] it's after Monday no it is Monday oh it

[16:53] is Monday so maybe um would you be able

[16:55] to you know fill us in so that when we

[16:57] have this discussion I don't know what

[16:59] we'll have for them because we're just

[17:00] meeting for the first year you know I

[17:02] mean they're not going to give us

[17:04] anything back we usually typically go in

[17:07] discuss you know the best date for pool

[17:10] opening for closing the hours you know

[17:13] they then figure out lifeguards which

[17:16] you know they ran the new pool last year

[17:18] the two pools are fairly easy they know

[17:20] the staff they need for there they

[17:22] probably have a fairly level of

[17:24] confidence and what they need for the

[17:26] new pool. It's just, you know, what's

[17:28] their fee going to be for the new year?

[17:31] Are we going to keep the same hours? Um,

[17:33] you know,

[17:35] how do you You pay them 180,000 180,000

[17:39] last year.

[17:44] Um, what do you guys think

[17:46] about, you know, do we need to charge at

[17:49] the other the other pools if we're

[17:51] charging at this pool? I mean, this pool

[17:53] is kind of a Cadillac of pools. So, if I

[17:57] kind of am okay, but I don't know if

[17:59] that's allowable that we would just

[18:02] charge at one pool or do we have to

[18:06] discussion?

[18:10] What do you guys feel? I think it's

[18:12] going to be an ongoing cost. So, if you

[18:15] have it's going to triple your cost.

[18:17] We're having three three seats now.

[18:20] Yeah. ransom levels out with our cost on

[18:23] the seasonal while alter 7h hour day and

[18:26] then then the question becomes what do

[18:28] we do at the end of the night if that

[18:30] pool closes at 6:30 most of us permit

[18:32] staff respond at 3 in the afternoon so

[18:34] we're going to have to pay someone to

[18:35] pick that money up to pick the money

[18:36] back up the other thing is it's much

[18:39] simpler but it's more

[18:40] awkward city residents get in for free

[18:43] you got to have some

[18:44] ID anybody else has to pay and they have

[18:47] to go to some other location to get some

[18:49] type of card whether It's the golf

[18:52] course or city hall, they have to

[18:55] have

[18:58] a city generated pass that would allow

[19:01] them to go in. For that, they got to pay

[19:05] $5, $20, whatever it is. Is it one day

[19:09] for the seasons?

[19:11] I I really like that using the resources

[19:14] of city hall and having a pass. It's

[19:17] just a onetime fee. Maybe it's just one

[19:19] time because you don't have somebody

[19:20] coming back. Well, I want to swim today.

[19:22] I don't want to swim tomorrow. Next week

[19:24] can be 100. You just This is the pass.

[19:27] This is the cost. You get to use the

[19:29] pool for the season. It's open. It will

[19:32] turn people away at the pool. But I

[19:34] mean, if you tell them the process of

[19:36] what it is, it make that mean some

[19:39] people are just here visiting, you know,

[19:41] presenting relatives and they want this

[19:43] unit turns people away from city connect

[19:45] to the every day. Yeah. that they their rules are they only allow MSU

[19:50] residents to use their

[19:52] pools of city water.

[19:58] I mean again that is also a decision

[20:00] that we could make.

[20:04] I know I you know I mean it was on the

[20:08] draft rules that I you know had put out

[20:11] so that we'll have to bring back up when

[20:13] we have the rest of the committee. I

[20:15] mean it be a lot easier if we did some

[20:17] kind of pass out city hall ready to

[20:19] handle credit cards and we don't have to

[20:20] talk about all this would be

[20:23] right to do it out here for credit card

[20:25] transaction too. Yeah.

[20:30] Is it's always easy for me to say I have

[20:33] to talk to staff who actually do the

[20:35] work sometimes have a different opinion.

[20:49] I'd probably say it's already

[20:50] established you have a clerk's office

[20:52] that takes money and receipts. So, let's

[20:54] do location is probably the best, but I

[20:56] think we still need analysis of how many

[20:58] people residents are going to be come to

[21:00] the pools because it's not that many

[21:03] have so many upfront costs. the cars,

[21:06] the machines, but the best people's

[21:08] mind. Well, we won't have I mean, it's

[21:10] sort of a chicken and egg kind of thing

[21:12] because we we don't have that data.

[21:15] We're going to collect that data. Well,

[21:16] we're hoping to collect that data

[21:17] starting with this season. Poles like a

[21:20] golf course. It's weather dependent. And

[21:22] but we're we're in a nineweek season,

[21:23] not a you know, April to November. I

[21:26] mean, we're you know, you get a rainy

[21:28] you know Oh, yeah. Yeah, June and July

[21:30] your you season's shot and you don't get

[21:35] good warm weather. People don't really

[21:36] interest in swimming. So, we have a very

[21:38] short

[21:39] season and you know Bill, what are the

[21:41] comps for a season pass and the other

[21:46] they they really a lot of them just non

[21:48] they say non-residents and that's it.

[21:50] Like the mayor was

[21:52] saying you can't get in. I think has I

[21:55] think Gild

[21:57] I thought I seen them in that package.

[21:59] Yes. Yeah. Um Gild does season pass

[22:02] season passes for Gildan residents only.

[22:05] A family pass is $125 includes members

[22:08] of a household and individual pass is

[22:11] $75. Then they do adult lap swim. So

[22:15] they have charges for that. Um they do a

[22:18] public open swim. The fees they do

[22:21] charge $5 for adults and $3 for children

[22:23] six to 14 and seniors over 60 and

[22:26] children five and under are free. Um

[22:30] resum all residents only. It's residents

[22:33] only. What meeting again when we talk

[22:37] about we close at 6:00 now to get nice

[22:41] evenings maybe keep the pool open into

[22:44] the evening. uh the chief of five8 when

[22:47] 518 comes up that might

[22:50] be something where we charge for that.

[22:52] You got to pay and we have to staff it

[22:54] to the open dump again even where

[22:57] residents would pay something to go in

[23:01] for you know limited time they have I

[23:05] think they lessons in the morning to

[23:07] open. Yes. Morning lap swim in the

[23:12] morning which it gets used frequently.

[23:14] Well, pool was designed for that uh

[23:17] resistance, count flow, resistance flow.

[23:20] So, people who

[23:22] are had knee surgery, hip replacement or

[23:25] whatever, going through therapy, all

[23:28] they're doing is really walking the

[23:30] loop, but

[23:32] the water creates resistance. So, it's I

[23:35] think most of the time the people who

[23:37] use that, they went early in the morning

[23:39] because they avoided the all the kids.

[23:41] Yep. And you know there might be

[23:43] something where if you did something

[23:44] after hours it's more an adult right to

[23:47] the same you pay you pay five bucks 10

[23:51] bucks for that. I mean, I think it be

[23:54] limited lifeguarding because you're not

[23:56] looking at the whole pool. You're more

[23:58] adults there that, you know, if the boys

[24:00] and girls clubs, whatever nights were

[24:02] going to be extended hours for an adult

[24:05] therapy swim, I don't know, you know,

[24:07] where people go in and did the

[24:09] resistance and did the lab pool and they

[24:11] weren't, you know, weren't 300.

[24:15] I think we're going to have to get

[24:16] recommendation from you guys on this.

[24:19] Um, I mean, I don't think that we can

[24:21] just

[24:23] But city council recommendation I got

[24:26] gave recommendations on the fee

[24:28] structure for the

[24:30] uh VA soil reservoir. We gave

[24:33] recommendations on garbage collection.

[24:36] I'm done giving

[24:37] recommendations recommendations on

[24:39] contracts that we've gone through.

[24:43] So want you to get your colleagues just

[24:46] to make a

[24:47] decision. We'll work from

[24:50] there. I prefer anything past 70.

[24:56] I'd like to see the data that Boys and

[24:58] Girls Club had that said how many people

[25:00] were turned away from the pool last year

[25:02] because of overflow. Well, they have

[25:05] that data from last year. I didn't ask

[25:07] about that. They had data, but it's all

[25:08] on paper and it's all by zip code. When

[25:10] I looked at it with

[25:13] 12309 to giant zip

[25:17] code, right? Right. But I mean in the

[25:19] future if the need is to set the fees to

[25:24] discourage non-residents from coming or

[25:28] do it at a price because we don't have

[25:31] enough room for the residents. That's a

[25:34] good point. I'm going to call I'll give

[25:35] her a call and ask her what the how many

[25:37] days did you have to shut the pool off

[25:38] because you reached capacity and do you

[25:40] have an estimate of all the time you

[25:41] shut off capacity? Was it midday? Was it

[25:44] late in the day? Was it towards evening?

[25:46] Okay, that'd be great.

[25:49] Call again. put that down. If if we made

[25:52] a decision that it was just going to be

[25:53] residents only, right? Then then it's

[25:57] residents only, then it's residents

[25:58] only. And if we make the decision that

[26:00] res,

[26:04] right? You know, right? And I mean, we

[26:07] definitely had those issues last year,

[26:08] but I I feel that it's anecdotal. So, I

[26:11] think you you know, talking to Julie and

[26:13] getting I'll see what you see what they

[26:15] have, you know, I'm not sure if they

[26:17] have that kind of data. I know they had

[26:18] the the zip code one cuz I looked at all

[26:20] of it. She had stacks of it. She could

[26:22] tell. But when I started looking, I go,

[26:25] "Yeah, they had zip code 126."

[26:30] Yeah. Yeah. But I think that would be a

[26:33] good one. How many times will the pool

[26:34] shut off? Because that would be a key.

[26:35] How many times did they reach the

[26:37] maximum limit and shut off midday and

[26:39] there's a rotation? I mean, how many

[26:40] people are going to stand? If you're

[26:41] telling me it's 90 degrees, I got to

[26:42] stand in line. I got to wait 12 hours to

[26:44] get in the pool. I'm leaving. I can

[26:45] stand there. Last year there was also a

[26:47] novelty factor. So people want to go for

[26:50] the first

[26:51] time. We had

[26:53] some fairly high temperature days too.

[26:58] Yeah. right when you first opened

[26:59] especially I think it was over 100

[27:01] degrees the week that

[27:03] those were the days where we you know we

[27:05] struggled with um you know being allow

[27:08] some people in because we were set

[27:10] capacity

[27:14] for those when we looked at the other

[27:16] communities they didn't say well grandma

[27:17] showed up and she wanted to date us cuz

[27:19] she had the kids that were from the city

[27:21] here see so because I thought that

[27:22] argument said well what if grandma here

[27:24] if you if you say no non-resident if

[27:26] grandma's grandchildren come up from New

[27:27] York City they can't one.

[27:31] I don't know what this I mean that we've

[27:33] gone over we've gone around and around on that one and I don't see

[27:37] anything that involves anything that

[27:38] says oh by the way if they come up you

[27:39] will be allow and swim. It's just you're

[27:41] not a resident you're not allowed. It's this idea of do you allow what they

[27:45] all and this is only two of them

[27:47] actually but um so I think there's

[27:49] others but we I can I have them on my

[27:51] computer at home too. Um because I think

[27:53] what a lot of a lot of them say is it's

[27:56] open to residents but residents can have

[27:58] up to three guests. Um so then um we

[28:03] started on that number. We'll have a

[28:04] heart connected residents with 300

[28:06] guests in the pool and it has

[28:07] non-resident guest like Gilderland is

[28:10] charging non-resident guests of resin a

[28:13] fee. How do you I know who determines

[28:16] how do you know and you bring somebody

[28:19] you know just my grandchild. Well,

[28:20] that's why I think also we have to talk

[28:22] to the books that run these schools as

[28:24] well. You know, how do they how do they

[28:27] do it? Sometimes there's rules, but what

[28:29] really happens is not always the wits.

[28:32] Mhm. And I think the city school

[28:35] district has some universal

[28:41] he was at the thing. I wanted to talk to

[28:43] him but he was a bit too busy because I

[28:45] think that's a system that if we could

[28:47] get access to that platform so we could

[28:48] punch Paul Leond in says all Paul Leaf

[28:50] goes to Woodline and all it does is put

[28:52] his picture up the body you can go in

[28:54] that's all we need to see that way the

[28:55] handlebars connect to the kids I think

[28:57] they have physical ID too kids have to

[29:00] bring the ID they do I mean that's you

[29:03] know Demani has has said that I haven't

[29:05] seen elementary yet oh I don't know that

[29:09] the high school that's what I've always

[29:10] thought it's junior All right. Well, not

[29:13] bad. It's like 6 right now or

[29:18] go.

[29:19] Yes. It was It was even like that, but

[29:23] now it's

[29:25] You know what? I'll call Dr. Cotto and

[29:29] I'm sure he'll probably refer me to

[29:32] um what's his name? The athletic

[29:35] director. Well, Jason Wall. Jason.

[29:37] Right. I mean,

[29:39] but I'll I'll take responsibility. we've

[29:41] been waiting for uh someone else to do

[29:44] it. So, um

[29:47] I mean I don't see a problem with the

[29:48] elementary kids. I think that's an easy

[29:50] that's a doable one. As we get into the

[29:51] older kids, that becomes a problem in

[29:54] terms of

[29:56] when you start to get to the 15 16 year

[29:57] olds. Well, I forgot my ID. I didn't

[30:00] have my ID. One of the things that we

[30:02] had didn't, you know, anyone over 10

[30:03] years old must have their Stanty City

[30:05] School District photo ID or an ID. uh

[30:07] you know and you know anybody from 5 to

[30:10] 10 they have to have a talented with

[30:11] them because you know I mean and I

[30:14] thought we we had discussed it at you

[30:16] know 10 years old I thought they they

[30:18] had you know IDs are 11 you know what I

[30:21] mean so 11 years older they got their

[30:24] school ID like the mayor mentioned and

[30:27] you know you have school ID you get in

[30:30] enjoy yourself for the

[30:31] day anybody younger has to have their

[30:34] adult you know with them and they have

[30:36] to be you on the full deck with them

[30:38] because that was some of the rules. Yes.

[30:40] So, I think um this did go um via SAM to

[30:44] city council. Um Yep. Thanks. Thank you

[30:48] for sending it to Sam. So, um I'm going

[30:51] to follow up and basically, you know,

[30:53] I'll put in a legislative request to

[30:55] have this uh on the agenda for Monday.

[30:58] at least the rules accepted and and I'm

[31:01] going to tell them we have to be

[31:02] prepared to you know make a decision

[31:04] about these rules that you guys are

[31:07] recommending here. Okay. I'm sorry. What

[31:09] rules are you talking about?

[31:14] These so the rules don't need a

[31:16] resolution. The rules are um Oh, you

[31:19] guys just decide we don't have

[31:21] [Music]

[31:23] to the fee structure until the council

[31:26] is the deal. Okay. Maybe um what the

[31:31] council could change that if you want to

[31:33] take the power away from it. No, you can

[31:35] do that. Yeah, you're not going to do

[31:36] that.

[31:38] Yeah. So, um I guess what I could do is

[31:42] just um write something up that would be

[31:45] sort of a recommendation about fees

[31:48] um that I would run by you guys first.

[31:51] Um and I would send that out to city

[31:53] council before Monday and say we have to

[31:56] make a decision about this on Monday.

[31:58] Does that sound reasonable? Sure.

[32:02] Okay. And so we don't have to Yeah, that

[32:06] we don't have to assess it. You

[32:08] mentioned that before you did it. I'm

[32:11] sorry.

[32:16] Yeah. Can we make

[32:19] them checks all pay too? I mean I like

[32:22] the idea of a season a season pass

[32:25] because then it is they come here to

[32:29] someone and they get charged for the

[32:32] season and then they have that season

[32:34] pass and that's how they get into. So it

[32:36] really eliminates I eliminates the

[32:38] bottleneck at the pool because when you

[32:40] come to the pool you're going to say are

[32:41] you a resident or you're a non-resident

[32:42] you got to go over here and do this.

[32:43] We're going to have a big bottleneck

[32:44] there if we don't have something that's

[32:46] like you have to come see I'll get your

[32:47] pass and get your

[32:49] passport of responsibility off of a

[32:51] teenager from the Boys and Girls Club

[32:53] having to enforce that. I mean it's like

[32:55] sort of cut and drive, right? You kind

[32:58] of we have to be responsible for that

[33:01] has to be I'm sorry. Can you not even

[33:03] know if boys and girls say they didn't

[33:05] what they did to do

[33:08] that and we have to pay for staffing. Is

[33:11] it a photo ID?

[33:14] We can squeeze me, but the idea that

[33:19] we would be right through the fence.

[33:22] Yeah, actually toss the castle to the

[33:25] other. No, we talked about that with

[33:27] Julie. We talked about that there. We

[33:30] have to come up with a banding system,

[33:31] she said, because one of the problems

[33:32] that she she anticipates that they've

[33:35] seen is people get in, our bathroom

[33:37] doors will open from the inside and out

[33:38] because it's open for tennis. So once

[33:40] you're inside that pool, you can walk

[33:41] into the bathroom. You can let other

[33:43] people you can walk in. You can walk in,

[33:44] you can go right in. So it has to be

[33:46] something that can identify you because

[33:48] you've been passed through the pool that

[33:49] we know who you are, why you got in. But

[33:51] so that means I I

[33:53] guess is this right that we would have a

[33:56] season pass that perhaps they would get

[33:58] here, some sort of photo ID. I'm making

[34:00] this up as I go along, but then when

[34:02] they get to the pool on Tuesday, they

[34:05] have to get a band or you sign in when

[34:07] you come to the pool and take your

[34:08] season pass. that goes in the box and

[34:10] when you leave you get your season pass

[34:11] that will stop the passing of the passer

[34:12] now. Okay. We have to come up with some type of thing. You get a band, you

[34:16] go in, you leave your pass here and when

[34:18] you leave you come to the desk and they

[34:19] check you out and you get your your

[34:20] band,

[34:23] but we banned you when you come in. That

[34:24] way we know because she said that's a

[34:26] problem. Bands aren't expensive. They

[34:28] get the ones you get when they get the

[34:31] carnival when you you take the kids for

[34:33] the rides and get the all day pass. So

[34:35] step one is season

[34:39] pass that you get here.

[34:45] Step two, you show up. You show your

[34:48] pass

[34:50] and you check in and you get panned and

[34:52] you pass the solid until you come back

[34:53] out. The other place that's set up to

[34:56] take payment is the golf course. It's a

[34:58] lot closer to the park.

[35:02] If it can be done, maybe it doesn't have

[35:04] to be photo IDed if it could be scantron

[35:08] and then we could show if we have a

[35:09] system that showed that the scan only

[35:12] once a day scan that scan right past the

[35:16] past school ID we can find I'll find out

[35:20] if the school ID is photo ID

[35:24] but if you know if you're a resident

[35:25] we're just tracking and coming in

[35:27] because there's no fee for

[35:29] residents laying city residents come in

[35:32] for free. So, we're not charging it. No,

[35:34] we just want you to identify when you

[35:35] come in as a city resident. So, it's

[35:37] then you'll have the data so that again

[35:41] when we try to

[35:43] reconvene later after the season, we

[35:46] make some decisions based on data about

[35:48] how many residents versus non-residents

[35:50] used our pool. Well, we do an exit

[35:52] survey of what happened for the course

[35:53] of the year and and look at right what

[35:56] we had using our pool. But again, if

[35:59] you're going to let non residents in,

[36:01] right? But again, that decision still

[36:03] has to be made. So that no not residents

[36:05] aren't going to come

[36:07] in and is there, you know, and there's

[36:09] no fee structure for residents. Well,

[36:11] okay. That would be a whole rule. So

[36:14] that would not be city council. That

[36:16] would be staff making that decision,

[36:19] right? Is that what I'm hearing? Yeah.

[36:21] Unless you want to make it a local law

[36:23] and it can be sold at city council. I

[36:26] think

[36:26] that again I can't I can't speak for my

[36:29] colleagues because we don't have a

[36:30] quorum but um to me that seems like

[36:32] that's a full rule.

[36:35] Yes. Thank

[36:38] you. So you guys can tell us um on

[36:41] Monday about that.

[36:45] This has been outlined by staff before

[36:47] for

[36:49] I Yeah. I mean me too. I mean, I was the

[36:53] first person to put the draft out there.

[36:55] So, we've had

[36:57] I went to the old pool. I seen I

[36:59] happened to be up at music table today

[37:00] because they were doing something and I

[37:01] looked over and there's rules on the old

[37:03] pool. So, I went down and show pictures

[37:04] of it. Oh, yeah. They're a little bit

[37:06] different from classic standard pools.

[37:10] Yeah. Well, it's it's like no climbing

[37:12] down the fence and stuff like that. It

[37:15] kind of crosses over because if you're going to charge a fee, that's

[37:20] up to the council. you're going to

[37:21] charge a fee for

[37:22] non-resident. So, it kind of crosses

[37:24] over into But if we make a rule that

[37:27] only residents are going to use the if

[37:29] only residents are the pool, if there is

[37:31] no there's no fee, right? But if they

[37:34] leave that open, then you the city

[37:36] council chooses to put a fee in then.

[37:40] Well, then he can make the rule because

[37:41] it's his rule.

[37:46] You can do it like the supporting

[37:48] council. If they don't want it, they

[37:49] want it. there's some that's a major

[37:51] policy. Well, I think if you guys could

[37:54] make that recommendation on Monday and

[37:56] then we at least we have the chance to

[37:58] talk about it at the table and I'm going

[38:00] to be emailing my colleagues and saying,

[38:03] you know, I really need you to be there

[38:05] to have this discussion because we can't

[38:08] we have to make these decisions with we

[38:11] have to make certain decisions

[38:15] um by budget time.

[38:19] Right. Does that sound reasonable? Oh,

[38:23] before the budget because the pool's

[38:24] going to be open up this year, right?

[38:31] Well, whatever I write up, I'm going to

[38:33] be running by you guys before I share

[38:35] it. So, I mean, we look at the fee

[38:37] structure. We have to be cognizant of

[38:39] the fact is is what's our startup cost?

[38:42] No, this we're not budgeted to bring

[38:43] this help on. It's not in the budget

[38:45] with me. There's nothing here to do that

[38:47] this year. So, if you're going to set a

[38:49] fee structure, it can't be something

[38:50] nominal on the fee. It has to be enough

[38:52] to cover our cost at least to make sure

[38:54] that if it's going to be a $25,000 bill

[38:56] for us to collect and set up or whatever

[38:58] cost. That fee has to be commensurate to

[39:00] say, "Listen, we're going to pull at

[39:01] least we know we're going to pull 25,000

[39:03] back. We don't want to say we're

[39:04] collecting fees and it cost us 25,000.

[39:06] We took in 20." Well, again, I mean, at

[39:09] the start of this meeting, I feel that

[39:12] we I I just don't think we're going to

[39:14] be able to do that for this season. I

[39:16] mean, we don't

[39:21] I think what we're trying to do is maybe

[39:22] just recoup whatever we can. It's or

[39:24] offset the cost of operating the pool.

[39:26] Maybe it just is covers of cost of the

[39:28] typo where it covers something. It's

[39:30] just not totally 100% you know um you

[39:34] know benefit to the residents, you know,

[39:37] they pay nothing. Um but that again is a

[39:40] decision of council to be made. we're

[39:42] not going to make ourselves whole. Not

[39:43] paying, you know, $200,000 a year almost

[39:46] in, you know, um fees for uh

[39:49] lifeguarding services. And then on top

[39:51] of that, the chemicals for all three

[39:52] pools and then, you know, our

[39:54] maintenance costs and the painting of

[39:55] the pool, you know, um the power of the

[39:57] pool. I mean, if you look at all these

[39:59] costs and you know,

[40:01] security, there's no way we're ever

[40:03] going to be even nearly made whole. I

[40:05] mean, it's just a we're right going to

[40:07] take it. There's no way that fuel fees

[40:08] are going to do that and we would know.

[40:10] I mean basically we have a 2025 budget

[40:14] that has in it the cost of operating the

[40:17] pool. What our expense

[40:20] 4,42 our expense is about 4,4200

[40:24] ton of

[40:25] chemicals chemicals. Oh welling that's

[40:31] yeah probably more than if we have 400

[40:33] people in the pool worth $300,000 4200

[40:36] divided by you know for those 9 weeks.

[40:38] So 3,000 divided by the 9 weeks.

[40:44] I mean we are not going to make up those costs with bull fees. I mean I

[40:49] mean it's 1050 fee to to hold the

[40:51] non-residents down. So it's only

[40:53] connected. I mean it goes

[40:57] I was saying a day by

[41:01] 3500s are close 3500.

[41:05] Yeah. to make non-p perishable goods.

[41:11] You have to bring a soup can and a box

[41:13] of macaroni.

[41:16] I mean, I can tell you that the people

[41:18] that are probably using the pool, even

[41:20] though we don't have the data, probably

[41:22] could benefit from having a non-p

[41:25] perishable food item given to them at

[41:27] the gate of the pool. So, um, but that's

[41:30] an assumption on my part.

[41:35] Um, okay. $60,000 for chemicals sold.

[41:42] I don't have the budget with me, so I

[41:44] know

[41:47] I think I bought 60,000.

[41:50] Do you have a total figure total expense

[41:52] figure at the end there?

[41:59] What's hard is we don't know your

[42:00] maintenance cost of the building. about

[42:02] $365,000

[42:05] full the full expense. Well, you got

[42:07] it's full maintenance. Um you look at um

[42:10] because we did put security staff in

[42:12] this year for 28,000 the maintenance

[42:15] work which are 15,000. Um then you get

[42:18] down into uh fees for services which is

[42:21] $1,000. 64 uh chemicals uh supplies is

[42:26] another repairs is 36,000 supplies is

[42:29] 6,000.

[42:31] 7,200. Um, you know, we heat we heat the

[42:35] pool building all year. These are these

[42:37] are our costs. Uh, total pool

[42:39] maintenance $154,000. Then you get down

[42:41] into pools recreation. We've got budget

[42:44] $22,000 for a piece for services, you

[42:47] know, u$ 1,700 for

[42:50] supplies, $5,500 for repairs. Uh, so

[42:53] yeah, 210 plus the 154 36. And that

[42:56] doesn't include your life, right? No, it

[42:58] does. That's total. That does give like

[43:01] 365

[43:06] I got

[43:07] 16. Yeah. Do we have anything though

[43:10] that we get out of CDBG? I mean we had

[43:12] No, we don't get No, I don't think so.

[43:16] Nothing to the pools out of there. Okay.

[43:23] I mean that's sort of

[43:26] a a philosophical kind of

[43:29] argument, you know, to what extent is

[43:31] the city wanting to

[43:35] res take

[43:37] this $65,000 that

[43:44] return our

[43:46] total total

[43:48] parks come into our parks. Yeah. Um,

[43:52] right.

[43:55] I I think it should be used to

[43:57] discourage people to make sure that

[43:59] residents have enough room to enjoy it.

[44:03] Well, again, if we decide that we're

[44:05] just residents only. Um, that's right

[44:08] out right out of gate.

[44:12] right off the I forget what you call

[44:14] that thing that you dive off of in a

[44:16] swim deep but

[44:19] right off right off the platform. We're

[44:21] already knowing that. So, um, all right.

[44:25] Well, I'll try to summarize this uh what

[44:29] we talked about in terms of fear not to

[44:32] be resident, non-resident. Well, I think

[44:34] that's a big one because we talked about

[44:37] we're going to charge a fee and now

[44:39] we're starting to demonstrate if we went

[44:40] to a kiosk, there's the cost started to

[44:42] do the kiosk. We've got all these costs

[44:44] that are associated with the way that's

[44:46] not in that. It's not in this budget,

[44:48] right? Can you just I mean do you want

[44:49] to share um what what you've come up

[44:52] with in terms of what the costs are for

[44:54] those the we just have I have a basic

[44:57] number for the the kiosk without being

[44:58] pulled $8,500 and then like when we did

[45:01] talk there's probably another 3500

[45:03] $4,000 in cost to be added on

[45:07] paper I don't know what maintenance

[45:12] fees and then if we're running our own

[45:14] help there that that comes up at a

[45:17] totally different over there.

[45:21] It's only the kiosk. Well, it's kiosk.

[45:24] There's other there's other equipment.

[45:26] There's

[45:27] other

[45:31] Well, if we're going to run for an 8week

[45:34] season,

[45:35] just 300, we have to cover 392 hours for

[45:39] the season. That's about

[45:40] $6,000 for somebody to collect fees that

[45:43] seasonal person. Then we have to figure

[45:46] the cost of the park supervisor.

[45:48] Somebody that's going to have to go back

[45:49] after hours to make sure they picked the

[45:50] cash up. Yeah, that unless we did it

[45:53] unless we did a season pass and um they

[45:56] bought it here, right? Unless we did

[45:57] something like that. That's one of the

[45:58] options. But this is a trailer

[45:59] prosecuting app that somebody was there

[46:01] collecting money and doing whatever it

[46:03] would cost us about 6,000. We would have

[46:04] to have that supervisor go back after

[46:06] hours. Look at city hall. Everything's

[46:07] closed. We'll close this at 6:30. We'd

[46:10] want at least one of our our permanent

[46:12] guy picking that money up, the money

[46:13] back up and then bringing it the next

[46:14] day down here.

[46:19] No, that's or case directly to the bank

[46:23] and makes a deposit with the bank, but

[46:25] then he's going to have to count it,

[46:26] make sure the money's right. Well, we

[46:28] have um

[46:31] for security for the 16

[46:34] hours. Yeah, can be somebody there that

[46:38] you know until again again you can't

[46:41] make decisions without but I mean I I

[46:45] just think that trying to do that as

[46:47] opposed to having a season pass which

[46:50] streamlines it a lot. You come in here

[46:52] get your season pass money's already

[46:53] being handled in this this building

[46:55] already we're geared up to handle credit

[46:57] cards and everything here. That's if

[47:00] again I have to back up that if we make

[47:02] the decision that it's residents only

[47:05] and we make a decision that it's

[47:06] residents free. You're saying that

[47:08] that's not the private council. That's a

[47:10] pool rule.

[47:12] Residents

[47:15] only director can do that. I think the

[47:18] parks director can do that.

[47:22] the

[47:23] policy supports.

[47:30] Okay. It doesn't matter what time

[47:33] residents will be happy they get to

[47:35] swim.

[47:36] Okay. So,

[47:40] I'm going to make that decision. It's

[47:42] the fee structure the council has to do,

[47:45] right? So, most of that's going to be

[47:47] down residents.

[47:49] So if you want unless it's a resident

[47:51] only well if you want to

[47:53] override if you charge a fee then I

[47:56] would say if the council enacts

[47:57] legislation saying you can come in 20

[48:00] bucks that would override the parks

[48:03] director's decision

[48:05] a council member

[48:10] he's not on the committee he's not on

[48:12] the committee so we can't make no so we

[48:15] just were having some discussion but we

[48:16] couldn't make any we're in trouble

[48:19] I I can't really speaking.

[48:22] I was like, "Oh my gosh." So, thank you

[48:25] for coming because Mr. Muran is coming

[48:28] from a very large grand opening of the

[48:30] guy in this community center. So, it's

[48:32] very nice of you to leave that and and

[48:35] you charge them residents.

[48:37] [Music]

[48:39] No, that's a good idea.

[48:42] So, comes to get a bag of food, he's got

[48:44] a bag here. Yeah. Basically, at next

[48:46] week's city council committee meeting,

[48:48] you're going to have to do health and

[48:50] recreation and um we have to decide uh

[48:54] well staff um decide rules for the

[48:58] pools. We just have to decide if we

[49:01] would be having a fee and if so then we

[49:04] would have to be deciding what the fee

[49:06] is. So, so city council does the fees,

[49:08] these guys do the rules. The the the

[49:12] bottom line is if for example there's

[49:14] two things, it's not these guys, it's

[49:16] the park story. The park story. Oh, the

[49:17] park. Sorry, Billy. I was trying to

[49:22] But so if if we say if they say it's

[49:26] going to be residents only in our pool

[49:30] and then also then we say residents are

[49:34] going to be free, which is what we have

[49:35] been saying. um then this is sort of a

[49:38] moot point. But we also just

[49:42] discussed how much the expense is for

[49:45] running the pool which is about

[49:47] $365,000 a year. Um but you know yeah

[49:53] the three three the three pools. So I'm

[49:56] sorry. So it really winds up being

[49:58] somewhat of a mutual decision because

[50:00] although staff makes the rules the

[50:02] council sets the fee sets the fees. So

[50:05] if you set a

[50:06] fee for non-residents and that is within

[50:09] the council's prerogative it that's

[50:11] correct it would have written Mhm. So it

[50:13] really winds up which is what the mayor

[50:15] was saying. Is there any recommendation

[50:18] from

[50:19] this? Come on. I know we talk. I've been

[50:24] trying recommendation. Make it simple.

[50:26] Let's move forward. Let's go with four

[50:28] garbage bags.

[50:31] We need a pool. You already you already

[50:34] that apparently we don't make a lot of

[50:36] decisions about recommendations. Uh so

[50:39] we've already had that. Yeah, we need we

[50:40] need to do something ASAP because well

[50:43] yeah because they have to have it for

[50:44] the because also there's the matter of

[50:48] um if we decided to have fees I can fill

[50:50] you in later but they need equipment

[50:53] they need credit card fee I mean there's

[50:55] credit card fees there's um so all of

[50:57] that would have to be part of the budget

[51:00] machines we could do a budget

[51:03] reappropriation to buy these equipments

[51:07] uh so that you can process those cards

[51:08] and things like

[51:11] I vote three. Sorry, I'm I'm voting

[51:15] three. Th free for what? Non-resident

[51:17] for

[51:19] residents. I think that the committee is

[51:21] Yeah. Yeah. I think that was that's a

[51:22] no-brainer. Everybody since the budget

[51:24] time was resident is free non-resident

[51:27] if

[51:28] we allow non-residents. If we allow

[51:31] non-residents to even use the pool. This

[51:33] unit does not it's residents only. Um I

[51:36] believe we said that uh it was colony I

[51:39] think well no one

[51:41] they don't allow um I mean unless there

[51:44] were guests of residents then they would

[51:46] have to pay um that's but otherwise it

[51:49] was residents only but that you guys

[51:53] would but we can override it but I would

[51:57] not recommend overriding a

[51:59] staff recommendation from the parks the

[52:02] only time there was any disappointment

[52:04] last year when the pool was at capacity

[52:08] and non-residents were swimming and

[52:11] residents couldn't get in. So even if

[52:13] you have a fee structure, if

[52:15] non-residents get there and then they

[52:17] say at our limit, then residents aren't

[52:20] getting in. But the same thing if it's

[52:22] at capacity with residents, at least

[52:23] it's capacity with residents. Um, so

[52:27] it's something just to, you know, I

[52:30] think as the mayor said that it was, you

[52:32] know, a novelty last year, Albany was

[52:34] down their pools, right? They were

[52:37] they're now they're now building a pool.

[52:40] I don't know if it'll be ready for this

[52:42] year.

[52:44] That's a big

[52:46] When we uh when we discussed something

[52:48] back, we were talking about can we were

[52:50] talking about pulling a report based on

[52:52] zip code to see how the kind of fear

[52:55] among we can do that but then

[52:58] unfortunately Jenna the zip codes don't

[53:01] you have 12309 it should be part of the

[53:03] city part of this

[53:05] unit runs out of Belleview.

[53:10] So it's not an accurate

[53:13] I kind of like that idea too being

[53:15] residential only.

[53:17] Yeah. And it's not like that we are the

[53:19] only ones doing it in

[53:21] this colony. Yeah. I don't have that but

[53:24] um take care of take care of our

[53:26] residents. I know it was

[53:30] but I've looked at some other ones like

[53:32] other communities outside the state and

[53:34] most of them say residents only. They

[53:37] all residents only. I'm pretty sure

[53:40] something.

[53:42] Let's simplify it. Make it simple. Now,

[53:45] do you change the rules at the other

[53:47] pools? You let them

[53:53] always at the

[53:55] other people talk with them. Where are

[53:58] they going to go? They want to go to

[53:59] Quacken Push. No, we're going to go to

[54:01] Central Park. This this poll is only

[54:03] residents and then you're free to go to

[54:09] That's an interesting point. Actually,

[54:12] it looks like the student charges fine

[54:15] for rapes uh

[54:17] non. But so they do allow non residents

[54:21] of

[54:22] age for pet

[54:28] 342

[54:32] season just for the card. Well, it does

[54:35] say that uh the alien range for adult is

[54:39] $10 and res.

[54:42] So everybody's paying but they I mean I

[54:45] think that's what this is too that these

[54:46] pools if it's it's if a resident is

[54:49] bringing a non-resident guest and has

[54:52] breakdowns for children. Yeah. That's I

[54:54] mean we looked at I'm telling you you

[54:56] could have a spreadsheet that would have

[54:58] you know 20

[55:00] columns that's different all these

[55:02] various local pools you have residents

[55:06] bringing in non-residents. We're going

[55:08] to have more we're going to have

[55:09] residents in the non-residents in the

[55:10] pool where residents are going to be

[55:11] excluded because we were allowing

[55:13] non-residents in the

[55:15] pool. Now, could that be because we were

[55:18] novelty last year and the weather was

[55:21] hot? And then we talked

[55:23] about for example, and this was more

[55:26] last last meeting, um if if I'm have

[55:30] grandchildren that are from out of state

[55:32] and I'm a resident and I'm trying to

[55:33] bring my grandchildren, then what do you

[55:35] say? But I guess he just would say

[55:37] that's the resident, but we'd have to

[55:39] have a guest policy as well. Those would

[55:42] be rules, right? That seems those would

[55:44] be staff

[55:50] recommending people in the pool like

[55:52] which residents non-residents really I

[55:56] mean it sounds like a rule but it's

[55:58] bigger than that. It really is a policy.

[56:01] I do think it's a joint because of the

[56:04] fee structure following on the council

[56:06] and the rules decisions being with the

[56:08] parks director. I don't give it a I mean

[56:11] the council has to make or has to put

[56:14] their voice in as well

[56:17] in terms of the rules. Yeah. the policy

[56:22] whether whether it's going to be

[56:24] residents only or or whatever or there's

[56:26] going to be a fee. Nobody's construction

[56:29] of their pool is expected to be finished

[56:32] their

[56:34] Oh, sometime right. We are we're going

[56:37] to see an influx of people from Albany

[56:39] again. Yeah, it's Yeah, I think we

[56:42] should reach out maybe reach out to them

[56:44] and see if they may not be open for

[56:48] Here's one from New Jersey. Only Bayon

[56:50] residents permitted to use in the pool.

[56:53] There's another one

[56:55] from Department Leisure Card issued

[56:58] leisure

[56:59] card. Can we put a sign right there that

[57:02] says Beo, New Jersey, not 12?

[57:07] It's all the policies. Philly has an ID

[57:10] card. You must purchase your ID card

[57:12] before you use the pool. You must come

[57:13] and get your ID card, which we also

[57:15] talked about. We did talk about

[57:18] everybody resident and non-resident

[57:20] before they use the pool. So that way

[57:23] you have a better tracking, you know.

[57:26] Yeah, we actually talked about I I'm

[57:28] going to call Dr. photo to find out if

[57:30] there's, you know, the school ID. If the

[57:32] if if it's a photo ID, if students have

[57:34] a school

[57:36] ID July 4th, did you guys hear that?

[57:45] It's usually about a week before we

[57:47] start. I spoke to Julie and she

[57:51] said 302s two

[57:54] 304s you know she was seeing all those

[57:57] from all

[57:59] so well I think people come visit their

[58:02] friends simpified forward right so we'll

[58:05] have to do it on Monday yes simplified

[58:07] move forward if we have to move the fee

[58:10] or we don't have the fee we

[58:13] just res

[58:16] if you can residents in for

[58:19] park structure can set the rules if

[58:23] you're going to have a fee for

[58:24] non-residents or you can just say it's

[58:26] strictly for residents and that's it.

[58:28] There is no fee structure residents with

[58:30] the proper ID are let in. That's it.

[58:32] I I also want to remind us all that

[58:36] again we can if we make these decisions

[58:39] right for 2025 and then at the end of

[58:42] our season we evaluate and decide you

[58:46] know did this work did that work what do

[58:48] we want to do for 2026

[58:52] I think that that was going to be we

[58:54] should do that

[58:56] resident only and move forward this year

[58:58] let's see how it works and then come

[59:00] back

[59:02] for the discussion. Yeah, it's going to

[59:05] have to go through the QA next week.

[59:10] I might call you just for talk about

[59:14] I'll put in legislative request that for

[59:16] th on

[59:19] th Monday, right?

[59:25] Yeah. I'll put in a legislative request

[59:27] that we'll make the decisions.

[59:29] policy not

[59:33] well I mean it's council administration

[59:37] but open soon so

[59:40] that's why we want to do it yeah so you

[59:42] don't want to put us in discussion we

[59:44] want to put it here we can follow okay

[59:47] but

[59:51] because this is the third meeting at

[59:54] that we at least the third meeting where

[59:56] we had discussion So of health and

[1:00:00] recreation committee. So

[1:00:04] okay. Well, thanks guys. I'm really

[1:00:06] sorry that I apologize on behalf of my

[1:00:09] fellow health and recreation committee

[1:00:10] members. Um

[1:00:13] where we need this. I know you are. I

[1:00:15] know. I talk to Billy a lot actually. So

[1:00:18] thank you very much all of you.

[1:00:25] And

[1:00:30] that's okay.

[1:00:49] Half a meeting. I'll be happy to move

[1:00:51] forward. We knew we were looking at what

[1:00:53] was the total cost per day, do you say?

[1:01:04] If you have,000,000%,

[1:01:10] you

[1:01:13] haven't program.

[1:01:17] So they need more life to the park

[1:01:21] right in the central park.

[1:01:24] You know we have a pledge for security

[1:01:26] there for nine weeks will be open

[1:01:29] because of the vandalism at night but

[1:01:31] once the pool covered after the nine

[1:01:33] weeks eight I don't know if is.

Schenectady City Committee Special Meeting, March 31, 2025

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