[1:06] Jesus.

[1:20] There must be a party.

[1:30] » This is a budget meeting. So I don't

[1:32] have to sit.

[1:34] [laughter]

[1:43] » So

[1:44] I'll sit somewhere where sit over there.

[1:48] That's the body.

[1:51] [laughter]

[1:52] >> Gunther did a good job last night.

[1:55] >> Hunter. Yes,

[1:56] >> Hunter.

[1:58] >> He's got a lot of questions found

[2:03] >> to get answers to,

[2:05] >> but I think we're pretty much set. I

[2:06] think cannabis is you can't really

[2:09] depend on cannabis being expanded that

[2:11] much. I

[2:15] mean,

[2:16] >> they're throwing stuff in the revenue

[2:17] and singing,

[2:19] >> which sets us up for next year.

[2:23] >> It's

[2:25] some of those places have opened and

[2:26] some of them out some of them gotten

[2:28] special, you know, they've gotten a

[2:30] permit. I mean, they've gotten their

[2:32] land, but they had open,

[2:34] >> right? I think there's still one, the

[2:36] one that's about to go on Growing

[2:38] Street.

[2:39] >> [clears throat]

[2:39] >> I think that's the only one left in

[2:41] queue that got approval but hasn't

[2:43] opened yet. me.

[2:47] Um, but again,

[2:51] [clears throat]

[2:52] >> I don't know. Oh, the one on the east as

[2:54] well at the old,

[2:56] >> right?

[3:00] [laughter]

[3:05] » Oh, I do notice.

[3:08] Do you notice all of these

[3:11] smoke

[3:14] that convenience stores

[3:24] in the gaz?

[3:36] Did you see any people

[3:42] shut up initution,

[3:50] right?

[3:58] I think that was it.

[4:08] about

[4:26] me.

[4:30] We're getting there.

[4:41] I have the meeting on

[4:53] » she went down church chocolate chip

[4:55] cookies.

[5:03] Yeah.

[5:06] >> Yeah.

[5:20] » Oh, with the eyes. With the eyes. Yeah.

[5:25] Oh god.

[5:29] Stop and sleep at church.

[5:34] And I don't get the bag.

[5:54] » Oh, I have this. I really I got a volt

[5:58] function.

[5:58] >> I haven't been able to do mine yet.

[6:00] >> Hey, I took been so busy. I took mom

[6:03] when you got it and put it in last year.

[6:05] >> Is that what you're [laughter]

[6:08] >> Oh, that's good.

[6:09] >> I saw that.

[6:10] >> What a good idea.

[6:12] >> I can get a bath. [laughter]

[6:17] » My desk is a mess. I can't have this.

[6:19] >> Everything's a mess. My entire

[6:22] >> I was hoping to try to at least go

[6:24] through it today. try to organize.

[6:26] >> I'm sure I made cream because Oh,

[6:28] tomorrow night get some

[6:31] Wednesday night golf final dinner.

[6:35] >> Oh, nice. And I'm the president.

[6:39] Glory. Amen. Hallelujah.

[6:42] >> Hi. I made the

[6:45] man.

[6:59] Okay. How are you?

[7:01] >> How about green post?

[7:14] But this is the only one we got, right?

[7:19] » All we got was one from

[7:27] » This is John's.

[7:30] >> Oh, well that's all too.

[7:34] » Yeah.

[7:38] » What's this?

[7:41] I did talk to the lady from Karen's

[7:45] laundry club and I told her we're in

[7:48] >> now they have to she has to go back to

[7:50] the Rotary Club and find out if they

[7:51] will take us. Um but I gave you all this

[7:54] information. I mean Mike

[7:57] >> equipment. Oh yeah.

[7:58] >> So I just wasn't sure because I don't

[8:00] know how much these cost.

[8:02] >> Um but

[8:04] yeah,

[8:05] >> right. Well, again, it's they're hoping

[8:07] to raise, in other words, if they get

[8:09] the grant from Ron, that doubles what

[8:11] they will raise. No, no, no. So, they're

[8:14] hoping to raise. She I had to she had to

[8:16] go back and look because these are the

[8:17] questions I asked her.

[8:18] >> Yeah.

[8:19] >> Um and they had ra, you know, she thinks

[8:21] that she thinks 3,600 total is a good

[8:24] number for us. And you know, immediately

[8:27] Jackie and Mike were like, we could use

[8:29] this, we could use that, we could use

[8:30] >> Do you see those new cards they have?

[8:34] Well, the last thing that Mike said was

[8:36] a jack, you know, like a power lifter

[8:39] kind of thing.

[8:43] » Like I said, I don't I'm not the uh

[9:14] No.

[9:19] All right.

[9:31] sent

[9:33] a huge long email just

[9:36] [clears throat]

[9:37] >> right now.

[9:41] >> Can't even I won't even be able to read

[9:42] it while meeting.

[9:47] » Good evening everyone. I'd like to

[9:49] recall the finance committee to order

[9:51] and we will continue our 2026 budget

[9:55] review.

[9:57] Uh before we get into

[10:01] our u internal discussion

[10:04] I would like to ask um

[10:08] the director of our department of

[10:10] development and it's Alex car

[10:14] to kind of brief us on a couple

[10:17] outstanding items the council member

[10:25] last evening Now

[10:28] there are two questions that we need

[10:30] follow up with and those has to do with

[10:34] um

[10:36] the CPG

[10:38] surplus

[10:40] and CPG uh where is the money uh being

[10:44] lo in terms of the cause and if there's

[10:47] any surplus that within the various

[10:51] department within the city and if that

[10:54] is allowed by other guidance.

[10:57] >> Okay. One where it is log is we put out

[11:00] our annual action plan every year what

[11:02] our allocations are and we log in IBIS

[11:05] which is our HUD financial system.

[11:08] >> Okay. So all of our funding is lost

[11:12] when you will see when we bring forth it

[11:15] action plan every year as part of the

[11:17] five-year consolidated plan when I come

[11:19] and say these are our priorities and

[11:21] then every year we come based on

[11:24] applications we come before with you

[11:26] with proposals from approved

[11:28] applications amount [clears throat]

[11:30] that they apply for.

[11:33] No, you can't just take a surplus and

[11:37] reuse it and put it into the general

[11:39] fund. That's not how it um how it works

[11:43] and it has to align to meet the HUD's

[11:46] national objective. So, anything that we

[11:48] do, we're governed by HUD to say it's

[11:51] going to meet, you know, one of the

[11:53] three national um objectives and it

[11:55] needs to be part of the city's priority.

[11:57] So, we would have have to save that in

[12:00] the consolidated in the 5-year

[12:02] consolidated plan.

[12:05] >> I know that sounds like a lot, right?

[12:08] >> So, so [laughter]

[12:11] we are not allowed to lose it for any

[12:13] city project or any city cost.

[12:15] >> Well, you can if it aligns with what the

[12:18] priorities were that we outlined in our

[12:20] five-year plan.

[12:23] So meaning

[12:24] for example if you apply like we have

[12:29] when you say surf we have things that

[12:31] come every year that gets allocated to

[12:34] city projects whether it be development

[12:36] whether it be code whether it be

[12:38] engineering those things are those

[12:41] things come into the city from from

[12:43] those fundings. So for example, if we

[12:45] have something, I'll use this youth line

[12:50] for an example. We've identified in 2022

[12:53] during CO that we allocated funding for

[12:57] a youth program that was never set up

[12:59] and never spent. Now, we've realized

[13:02] that the general fund is looking for

[13:04] money to fill the gap for the youth

[13:06] program that aligns with the national

[13:09] objectives and the priorities that we

[13:12] set forth [clears throat] in our

[13:14] consolidated plan for the city to fund

[13:16] youth activities and initiative, youth

[13:20] employment. So, that would align. So,

[13:22] it's not just it's not just anything. We

[13:24] can't don't give me your truck orders

[13:27] and all of those things has to motivate

[13:29] him. It has to all. [laughter]

[13:32] >> I like we're starting on a good note. I

[13:34] like this.

[13:36] >> Yeah. No, that's exactly what we wanted

[13:38] the guy guidance from you in terms of

[13:39] can we use it for youth employment. Can

[13:42] we use it for senior because we have to

[13:44] fund it seniors before through CDBG

[13:47] >> and we still fund seniors. We we we fund

[13:50] the high.

[13:52] Yes. But see those things are

[13:54] competitive applications. Yes.

[13:56] >> Right. So there's also caps that we have

[13:58] to abide by. See, we only can do a

[14:01] certain percentage amount of public

[14:03] service projects, a certain percentage

[14:06] of development projects, things that

[14:08] fall into what we designated as our NRSA

[14:12] area. So we do have caps for things like

[14:15] emergency shelter. We have cap a certain

[14:17] amount of money can only go towards

[14:19] that. So when we're working our annual

[14:21] action plan and reallocating money, we

[14:24] still have to ensure that it falls

[14:26] within our cap. Whether we are looking

[14:28] at 2021 money or 2024 money, we have to

[14:32] go back and make sure if we're

[14:33] reallocating it to a different project

[14:35] that we don't exceed

[14:38] the percentages, the caps that we to

[14:40] remain in compliance.

[14:43] >> Question.

[14:44] So, first of all, thank you for paying

[14:46] attention throughout this process and

[14:48] looking for trying to figure out ways to

[14:50] support uh the youth program in

[14:53] particular. Um it seems like like you um

[14:56] located some funds. Um so, I I really do

[14:58] appreciate that and I think that that um

[15:01] allows us to move past what would be a

[15:02] really stickler point for us in the

[15:04] budget cuz I don't I don't couldn't see

[15:06] myself supporting a budget that didn't

[15:08] support that. So I really want to

[15:09] explain

[15:10] >> and and transparency. Anytime we use any

[15:13] of the federal dollars that come out

[15:14] development, there's a substantial

[15:16] amount of reporting and accountability

[15:18] that has to occur. So if those if parks

[15:22] is going to be facilitating this youth

[15:26] program, they need to work with the

[15:27] department to make sure that they're

[15:28] doing quarterly reporting that we have

[15:30] the measurables that we need to report

[15:32] to HUD. So it's not as simple as we

[15:35] found money, we give you the money.

[15:36] there there is reporting quarterly

[15:38] reporting um that is due to the

[15:40] department so that we can submit that to

[15:42] the federal government.

[15:43] >> So when we first started the program um

[15:47] what we did which we got away from which

[15:49] I would like to see us go back to was

[15:51] partnering with the county because the

[15:54] counties they had the the infrastructure

[15:57] and the reporting the reporting

[16:00] infrastructure that at the time aligned

[16:02] with kind of what you're talking about.

[16:04] So that's something that we might want

[16:06] to revisit just because I don't want to

[16:08] put more work on your department

[16:11] especially being you know helping us

[16:14] find the money for

[16:15] >> parks.

[16:16] Okay. [laughter] Okay.

[16:18] >> For clarity for for parks because I but

[16:21] I do appreciate that. So my question is

[16:23] what so I was originally um before

[16:28] these conversations were happening I was

[16:29] talking about using money for the golf

[16:31] court from the revenue from the golf

[16:33] course to support the youth line and in

[16:35] yesterday's conversation I was

[16:36] suggesting if we find the money and it

[16:38] seems like we have the money that's

[16:39] aligned that we could use from CBDG

[16:42] funds what about our seniors is is is

[16:45] that are we in the same situation for

[16:47] seniors or could we or should we go look

[16:49] at using the revenue identified from the

[16:51] golf course for to support seniors.

[16:53] >> There are no funds that were previously

[16:56] allocated that align with senior

[16:59] services that haven't been expended.

[17:03] >> Okay.

[17:03] >> So if there So I can see that we used to

[17:07] partner with the county and some of the

[17:09] money that I found that we can use is

[17:11] money that the county never it was never

[17:14] set up. They never drawn down. So it

[17:16] aligns that that doesn't that there's no

[17:19] scenario that applies that way for to

[17:21] support seniors right now.

[17:23] >> Okay. We can use the money from the golf

[17:24] course to do that.

[17:26] >> Go ahead.

[17:27] >> Um I just want to uh clarify. So what

[17:31] you're saying right now is that you did

[17:33] find the money for youth employment for

[17:36] this 2026 budget.

[17:38] >> So you already have um

[17:41] all of the uh CDBG. you you have a good

[17:44] sense already in this year of what might

[17:47] come back into your cup?

[17:49] >> No, I have a good sense of what could

[17:51] apply for the youth. What I did was I my

[17:53] program account went through to see what

[17:56] did we allocate for youth services in

[17:58] previous years and that is what I'm able

[18:01] to use. But we're in the process of

[18:02] closing it out and we're and I'm talking

[18:05] about funds from 2021

[18:08] this week. So these aren't new funds.

[18:09] We're going back and doing some

[18:11] reconciliation in our department.

[18:13] >> Okay. um to see what what's out there.

[18:15] >> That's great.

[18:16] >> Thank you. And I know that Mr. MCA had

[18:18] to do that reporting,

[18:20] >> but he's he's done that kind of stuff

[18:22] before. So,

[18:23] >> do you have a number? Yes, ma'am.

[18:26] >> There's 160,000, but I would like to

[18:28] keep the 10,000 to because you asked for

[18:32] 150. 10,000. [laughter]

[18:34] >> No, I didn't ask you for 150.

[18:36] >> I asked for I asked for 300, but okay.

[18:39] 150. Yes.

[18:39] >> I thought it was 150. It was but

[18:43] before so we currently fund the senior

[18:46] center through CDBG. So you're saying

[18:48] that they didn't expend all the money so

[18:50] they have funding available.

[18:51] >> The senior center doesn't they're asking

[18:53] for more money actually. They they apply every year. So they applied

[18:58] for 20,000. They spent 20,000 and

[19:01] they're asking they're looking for more

[19:03] additional money. But they're also

[19:05] working with the county to try to to

[19:06] fill the gap

[19:08] >> for this year for 2021. 2026

[19:12] >> they applied for 20 Well your 2026 is my

[19:16] 2025.

[19:17] >> Oh

[19:17] >> okay.

[19:17] >> So do we have something do we have?

[19:19] >> So we we we awarded them

[19:23] >> we gave them

[19:26] >> what they asked for actually. So let me

[19:29] just

[19:30] >> pay for 2026.

[19:32] >> It's their contract is effective October

[19:34] 1st. So the the the federal year is

[19:39] October 1st to September 30th, 2026. So

[19:43] we are right now awarding contracts,

[19:45] execution contracts right now. So the

[19:48] senior center

[19:59] » 24,000

[20:00] >> and I will take it in the 2024.

[20:03] >> Okay.

[20:03] >> 2026.

[20:05] Yeah. Okay. So, we have to cover it.

[20:07] [clears throat]

[20:07] >> Okay.

[20:08] >> Well, there are wait.

[20:10] >> Oh, go ahead. Sorry. I never come back.

[20:12] [clears throat]

[20:14] [laughter]

[20:15] >> Oh, I have a hammer.

[20:16] >> Okay.

[20:18] It wasn't up to you. Um, so well, you

[20:21] asked one question I asked. So, it's 150

[20:22] is what you have allocated for these

[20:24] one.

[20:25] >> The senior line that you're talking

[20:26] about, you're only talking about the

[20:27] Hyurns though. You're not talking about

[20:29] the other seniors, the saddle bike

[20:31] senior centers is what I'll call them.

[20:33] No, but I do see in our general budget,

[20:35] we do get a lot of invoices from

[20:37] Catholic Charities, but I don't have any

[20:40] authority over that. Those are just

[20:41] invoices that pass through my

[20:43] department, Catholic Charities, Invoice

[20:45] that comes out of general budget. So, I

[20:47] don't I haven't had to say so on how

[20:49] much or but I just they pass through. I

[20:52] see the invoices and we submit them

[20:54] because it's so what's been written out

[20:55] of our budget is those spend on

[20:57] >> Yes.

[20:59] That's correct.

[21:00] >> Do you Yes. Um this is this goes more to

[21:04] the revenue line. If you're not if you

[21:05] want to finish explaining what she has

[21:07] then I'll ask about the revenue one.

[21:10] >> No you are you're doing this. Thank you.

[21:13] >> Okay.

[21:13] >> You're making life easy for a lot of us

[21:15] here.

[21:16] >> Okay. Um last year this is uh

[21:22] line A27A.

[21:26] » I'm sorry. What was I'm sorry Mary. What

[21:28] was that?

[21:28] >> A2170 A. Sorry that so there was

[21:32] $100,000 um for the SNAP from CBG for

[21:35] SNAP.

[21:36] >> Oh,

[21:37] >> right. And now it's that was in our

[21:38] adopted budget 21

[21:40] >> page 10 that is in our adopted budget

[21:42] for 2025 but not in 2026.

[21:46] >> So SNAP has

[21:49] >> roughly

[21:51] >> $200,000 in CBBG funds from previous

[21:54] years that they have not invoiced

[21:57] department of development to draw down.

[21:59] So they were not awarded this year. How

[22:02] much?

[22:03] >> 200,000.

[22:07] So they have from 2022 they have $2,559.

[22:14] From 2021 they have 100,000 that hasn't

[22:17] been set up.

[22:20] >> This is SNAP that you're talking about.

[22:22] >> Mhm.

[22:23] >> And for 2023 they have 100,000. So, say

[22:27] you have a hundred thou roughly $22,000

[22:32] in unspent funds, which is why they were

[22:34] not funded.

[22:39] » So, you don't see that in the line in

[22:40] the line, but we see that CDBG our

[22:44] federal dollars don't always show up in

[22:45] the general general funds, but we see it

[22:48] on on our side.

[22:50] >> Go ahead, please. So, if we had

[22:53] something that fell under the code of

[22:56] SNAP neighborhood revitalization,

[22:59] would we be able to access that funding

[23:02] that you just said is still

[23:03] >> So, it's it's how it's not by title,

[23:05] it's how we defined it to HUD. So, it's

[23:08] really the cleanup city owned property.

[23:10] So, stabilization and clean up of city

[23:12] own. Gotcha.

[23:13] >> So, that's what the title is, but it's

[23:15] how we

[23:16] >> with the description what we said we

[23:18] would do with those with that funding

[23:20] lines.

[23:21] So, um, so in that case, let's say we

[23:24] have staff that do that. Is it possible

[23:26] to leave some of that funding towards

[23:28] like a percentage of it towards that

[23:30] staffing salary that does that

[23:32] particular work?

[23:32] >> Well, that's what it's for from SNAP.

[23:34] That that is what it's what they have.

[23:36] That money has been allocated to them to

[23:38] ODS and spend. They just have never

[23:40] invoiced.

[23:43] And it is not for clarity and

[23:45] transparency. It is not development's

[23:47] job to invoice that. any fun and even

[23:50] internal

[23:52] allocations. There's reporting. You have

[23:55] to invoice. You have to submit those

[23:57] sign sheets, the properties that you

[23:59] worked on. We we still have to submit

[24:01] those things to us. So that is not

[24:03] something that my department would have

[24:05] autonomy over.

[24:06] >> Gotcha.

[24:10] » But that money is there.

[24:13] >> Commissioner, any clarity on that? How

[24:16] do we how do we move our academy invoice

[24:18] from this department?

[24:21] >> Well, correct me if I'm wrong,

[24:24] >> Alex, but this is specifically has to be

[24:26] CDBG el uh to draw down, correct? Mhm.

[24:31] >> So

[24:32] >> most of So that when it's to be CDBG

[24:34] eligible needs to fall into it needs to

[24:37] fall into a low moderate income area in

[24:39] our neighborhood revitalization strategy

[24:42] area 85% of our city is that what I'm

[24:45] saying

[24:47] >> if not all

[24:49] >> right

[24:50] >> well between the the two designations

[24:52] that we have Mhm.

[24:55] >> So, what I'm hearing is that that we have

[25:02] what over $200,000 that could

[25:04] conceivably that's money from back from

[25:06] two 2021 that we could conceivably bring

[25:10] [clears throat] forward towards um in

[25:14] SN.

[25:15] >> Yes.

[25:16] >> Okay.

[25:18] Thank you.

[25:20] that may had mentioned um

[25:24] a day or two ago that you're you're

[25:26] looking to hire a an agency to help take

[25:31] note of um the foreclosed property.

[25:35] >> So what we did this year is that 100,000

[25:37] that would typically go to SNAP because

[25:40] they also identified to us last year

[25:42] that they didn't have the capacity to

[25:44] clean out the city owned properties

[25:47] >> as quick as we want to put them out. So,

[25:49] we took that 100,000 and we allocated

[25:51] that to department of development so

[25:53] that we do have more control. We can bid

[25:55] that and we can clean up our property so

[25:58] that they're safe for the realtor um to

[26:00] act so that that clean up and be

[26:03] maintenance, snowing, mowing,

[26:06] you know, all of those things to make it

[26:09] look good in the community. We're going

[26:10] to board them up nicely, secure them and maintain them. So, we took that one

[26:16] in so we can have more control and make

[26:18] sure they get done cuz we know that the sale the properties that we have the

[26:22] mayor wants to get them out and list

[26:24] them. But we've we've gotten a lot of

[26:27] complaints from our realators that the

[26:29] properties are in the best condition or

[26:31] safe to enter. So,

[26:32] >> right.

[26:32] >> And we heard that decision is informed

[26:36] by the information that we've been

[26:37] hearing from our neighborhood meetings

[26:38] with the comprehensive plan.

[26:40] >> Right.

[26:41] >> Yeah. That is ahead. No, I was going to

[26:43] say so it sounds like that money needs

[26:45] to remain in your department so so you

[26:47] have the autonomy and can make those

[26:49] decisions and make

[26:50] >> that 100,000 that's going to be for net

[26:52] that's allocated for 2526 are here

[26:55] >> is is us but that is not taken away from

[26:58] what snack still

[26:59] >> but right that was my point but this

[27:02] 200,000 is still there okay go ahead

[27:05] >> when will when will that 200,000 not be

[27:08] available or to be invoiced to you will

[27:11] that ever go way. HUD gives us 5 years.

[27:15] That's great.

[27:17] >> No. What year?

[27:18] >> No. This this 200 thou the 200,000. Oh,

[27:21] yeah. It'll be

[27:23] >> This is starting This is going back to

[27:25] 21. Yes.

[27:28] >> We need to spend it.

[27:29] >> Go ahead.

[27:31] >> So, it sounds like you're recouping some

[27:33] of these funds so that the area

[27:34] department has more management and

[27:36] oversight over it. Um, is there what

[27:38] functions outside of that 85% of the

[27:41] buildings that rely on the city? Is this

[27:43] apartment still going to be responsible

[27:44] for conducting?

[27:47] >> I'm not clear on the question. I'm

[27:48] sorry, council member.

[27:49] >> If you're maintaining the properties,

[27:51] what's not doing for the 15% of the

[27:52] properties that are eligible?

[27:55] >> Well, we're going to maintain the

[27:56] properties moving forward, but there's

[27:57] plenty of properties that are still on

[27:59] our roll that need to be addressed. And

[28:02] even when SNAP goes out and we get a

[28:04] complaint, and I'll use this for an

[28:05] example. If somebody does a click see

[28:09] click C and they got to go remove debris

[28:12] >> right

[28:13] >> from the front of the house and it's on

[28:15] the eastern nav the time that they spent

[28:17] is billable um from CDBG that's that's

[28:20] addressing the issue. So

[28:23] >> I think there's some um flexibility on

[28:27] how they they spend that money now

[28:28] because it's not just for city own city

[28:31] owned properties that are going for

[28:33] sale.

[28:35] So Williams, I mean looking at that that

[28:39] you're hiring a consultant to help with

[28:41] the clean up of the property.

[28:42] >> So that's taking away responsibility

[28:44] from staff.

[28:45] >> Are you hiring

[28:47] the company?

[28:48] >> We're just we're bidding it out. So we

[28:50] need a contractor that we can get the

[28:52] right to

[28:54] >> so that is taking away responsibility

[28:56] from this department.

[28:58] >> Yes.

[29:00] >> But they said they didn't have the

[29:01] capacity. So it's it's like work wasn't

[29:03] being done. It's essentially

[29:04] >> they've been doing it.

[29:06] >> They they've been they've been doing

[29:08] this but not as not not as fast. Snap

[29:11] doesn't have the manpower to do them as

[29:13] fast as it should be done to maintain

[29:16] what they regularly would do in the city

[29:18] owned properties.

[29:20] So what we need to do is look in our

[29:22] budget to see how we can reallocate the

[29:24] 200,000 that is existing now to see long

[29:27] and and see that we could do that with

[29:30] as long as it being in line with the HUD

[29:33] uh parameters. I don't think we need to

[29:35] reallocate that is already

[29:36] >> not reallocated but

[29:38] >> well no to be expelled.

[29:40] >> No. So correct me if I'm wrong. Snap. In

[29:44] other words, moving forward that

[29:47] $100,000 is going to come back into

[29:49] development. Right. So we got that.

[29:51] However, there is $200,000 existing

[29:54] right now within SNAP that they have not

[29:56] invoiced for.

[29:58] >> Correct.

[29:58] >> So and that money is only good for five

[30:01] years. So, so we could repurpose,

[30:05] we could I'm looking for the right term.

[30:07] We could reuse that money as long as it

[30:10] falls within the parameters of what we

[30:12] expressed originally.

[30:15] Is that correct?

[30:17] >> So, would it make sense to use it to

[30:20] offset some of the snapsh

[30:22] the money there for that?

[30:23] >> This is where I'm going.

[30:25] >> So, as that makes that makes the most

[30:28] that's the that was the intention.

[30:30] >> Okay.

[30:31] >> All right. And this year we wouldn't

[30:32] need that.

[30:32] >> So we can use this 210,000

[30:35] >> $26

[30:37] [laughter]

[30:39] for those right there.

[30:41] >> 22,559

[30:46] » that we can use now for

[30:48] >> Yes. in that category. So can I just

[30:52] >> So in other words, right now, Miss

[30:54] Carver, in the 2026 projected budget,

[30:59] there's zero on CDBG SNAP neighborhood

[31:03] revitalization. So, just to try to close

[31:06] this part of the conversation, we could

[31:09] put $200,000

[31:12] >> in that line instead of

[31:13] >> that. Well, this is old funds that

[31:16] you're spending down. I wouldn't put

[31:18] that in. It's already there. This is old money

[31:22] >> that would have showed up in previous

[31:25] years that hasn't been spent. I don't

[31:27] know how to

[31:27] >> Yeah. Well, but but we're trying to

[31:30] we're obviously trying to increase our

[31:32] revenue side of this budget. And so

[31:34] right now that says zero for us. Um so

[31:37] that 200,000 that you're talking about

[31:39] is not showing up anywhere for us.

[31:41] >> That will be a commissioner. So what I'm

[31:44] saying is can I take the zero

[31:46] >> just fill [clears throat] in the budget

[31:48] >> but if we put if we used it to support

[31:51] salaries

[31:53] >> that that are that no in other words if

[31:56] we use that money to support salaries

[31:59] right now or or portion of salaries that

[32:02] are being um drawn from the general fund

[32:05] then that 200,000 would essentially th

[32:08] show up in our general fund because not

[32:09] we wouldn't be use we'll be using this

[32:11] 200k instead taking money for the

[32:13] general fund.

[32:14] >> Okay.

[32:15] >> Everything works out correctly.

[32:17] >> Well, well, if she's saying if we can

[32:18] use it for salaries, as long as there's

[32:21] SNAP salaries, then

[32:22] >> CDBG knowledgeable.

[32:24] >> Yeah. So, let's do that.

[32:27] >> Yes, it is.

[32:28] >> Yeah. So, let's do that.

[32:29] >> So, that means the the tracking OS will

[32:32] have to track the addresses and the time

[32:34] to make sure that they are in the

[32:37] designated areas, which could be

[32:39] cumbersome for men that are out in the

[32:41] field. I know Chris expressed that

[32:43] before. You know, they're out in the

[32:45] field tracking it. And I don't want to

[32:48] speak for his department, but they are.

[32:51] >> Yeah.

[32:52] >> But if they're [clears throat]

[32:54] So, my understanding of they don't

[32:55] randomly go, they already know where

[32:57] they're assigned. So, we know before

[32:58] they ever went there that it's in

[33:01] Hill, I'll just use that. Or it's in

[33:03] Hamilton North and RSA CDG. So, when

[33:08] they were assigned where to go clean up,

[33:10] they would know ahead of time. So they

[33:12] it's not like the people on the ground

[33:13] going to do the work have to capture

[33:15] that. Their supervisor like look and say

[33:18] okay this is in that area and this can

[33:19] be assigned to that. I don't see it

[33:21] being the person going to do it.

[33:23] >> Okay. I'm not it's not my department. So

[33:25] I'm not it's privy to you know their

[33:28] process and how they how they do things.

[33:31] >> So um would OS have to invoice that

[33:35] money every time they went? So it's it's

[33:37] not like every time

[33:39] >> not every time.

[33:40] >> Okay. But they can they can do it

[33:41] quarterly.

[33:42] >> Yeah. You know,

[33:44] >> but it still has to be invoiced. The

[33:46] money could still just hang out.

[33:48] >> Invoice and

[33:49] >> right.

[33:50] >> I'm sorry. They could still not what?

[33:52] >> The money could just still be there if it's not invoiced because nothing's

[33:56] been used or invoiced. And is there any

[33:58] outstanding invoices they might have

[34:00] that they didn't put through to you in

[34:02] the past two or three years?

[34:03] >> Now, we've been in communication with

[34:06] them, council, so they know that they

[34:08] could invoice. It's just

[34:11] >> they haven't and I don't I'm sure

[34:12] there's some obstacles that they're

[34:14] facing and there's a valid reason why

[34:16] they haven't.

[34:17] >> I can't speak to them but

[34:19] >> so it might not even be there if they if

[34:22] they have invoices they just haven't

[34:23] >> I doubt that they had invoices for that

[34:26] many years. So pending I think that they

[34:28] would have probably used funds that were

[34:30] still readily available to them. So for

[34:33] functional so we're talking about this

[34:35] 26,000 where is this one

[34:37] >> 200

[34:39] [laughter]

[34:41] >> John just say 200 let's leave her a

[34:43] little let's leave her a little in case

[34:46] somebody does come this year

[34:48] >> in the cloud it's not in the general

[34:49] fund that's why it's not here

[34:50] >> it's not in the general it's it's not in

[34:53] the general fund because it hasn't been

[34:55] set up yet so it's been allocated in

[34:58] order for commissioner and his team to

[35:00] see it we have to set it up and tell

[35:03] them we set it up and do the PO process.

[35:06] These funds are allocated from our

[35:09] annual action plan but not set up in the

[35:13] >> So this this

[35:14] >> that's a little too much in the weeds

[35:16] for us.

[35:16] >> How many how many more funds do we have

[35:18] like this in the cloud? [laughter]

[35:23] back to my father in the money tree in

[35:25] the backyard.

[35:25] >> Because if we have $200,000 datas in the

[35:28] cloud, [laughter]

[35:30] how much more funding do we have that we

[35:32] are not utilizing from CDPG over the

[35:34] last four or five years?

[35:36] >> Well, I wouldn't say we're not you

[35:38] utilizing it. The funding that I'm I'm

[35:40] seeing is really impact from CO, right?

[35:45] It's not that we're not it's not that

[35:46] we're not utilizing it. And now that we

[35:49] have a full team, it gives us an

[35:51] opportunity to really dive in and close

[35:54] out projects. So close out projects,

[35:56] understand what hasn't been set up but

[35:59] allocated. It's it's complex and I'm not

[36:01] expecting you in the next five minutes

[36:04] to really understand. But our HUD

[36:06] funding has a HUD system that we

[36:09] >> that we use. Our general funds has a

[36:12] general fund system. It is it is

[36:15] separate. Before I go, I just have a

[36:18] follow up there. So, can we can we get a

[36:21] report of all the outstanding

[36:24] >> there? There is no report yet because my

[36:26] team, as I said, council, we're we're

[36:29] working through this. We're trying to

[36:32] >> But do you have something to say that we

[36:34] can spend on from 2021 to now? There is

[36:38] a balance of what we need

[36:39] >> to for what I you can't work on it

[36:43] because it has to be part of one.

[36:44] >> No, no, no, no.

[36:46] [laughter]

[36:47] 2021 to now fun and it's not spending

[36:53] that needs I need actions.

[36:56] >> I will I will get you something.

[36:59] >> Go ahead.

[37:00] >> That's not a that's not a function

[37:02] though. [clears throat]

[37:04] If I go through and do all that, it has

[37:06] to be a we have to now put that out to

[37:10] the public. That can't be something that

[37:12] I said these are the funds that we have

[37:14] in city council. There's a substantial

[37:16] amendment. It's a process. I can't say

[37:19] these are the funds and then city

[37:20] council decides where this money goes

[37:22] because it's community development money

[37:24] that needs to go into the community and

[37:27] the community has to say so and then we

[37:29] do a public notice and then we have a um

[37:32] >> grants grant applications.

[37:34] >> We have the applications and then we we

[37:37] have the public hearing. So, it's not I

[37:39] can do that, but it's not something that

[37:41] city council can say we can move this

[37:44] money, we can do that money. We cannot X

[37:46] out the public um responsibility

[37:50] for that.

[37:52] >> So, okay. So, let's get back to this

[37:55] $200,000

[37:56] that we know is here.

[37:58] >> We understand the intended function of

[38:00] it. It was not used in the timeline that

[38:04] we originally expected, but right now

[38:06] we're looking at $200,000

[38:09] with a clear purpose that we can use it

[38:12] for as long as it stays within these

[38:14] parameters.

[38:15] >> [snorts]

[38:15] >> So, so we should the council should look

[38:19] into what what positions that we have in

[38:23] the city right now that are working in a

[38:27] to this aligned function of what this

[38:29] $200,000 was. So, if we have someone who

[38:33] salary is $70,000

[38:36] and they're doing this the type of work

[38:39] that falls under this umbrella, then

[38:42] that's $70,000 that doesn't have to come

[38:44] from our general fund that we could use

[38:47] this this $200,000 to fund that

[38:49] position. So, that would be a plus of

[38:53] $200,000. I think that's what we need to

[38:55] focus on right now and then we could

[38:57] look to the next thing.

[38:59] >> I would agree with that. um that we got

[39:01] from but I know she said he never looked

[39:04] down here [clears throat]

[39:06] was waiting down

[39:10] >> um so I'm just going to yell out so I

[39:13] have I agree with that because I don't

[39:15] think like what Miss Carver said we can

[39:17] like look at all the money because as we

[39:18] what we talked about yesterday you

[39:20] weren't even here Miss Carver I think it

[39:22] was specifically said that CDBG has

[39:25] specific parameters and guidelines and

[39:27] we have to stay within those

[39:29] >> and a citizen participation and citizen

[39:32] partition and beyond these seven

[39:33] citizens.

[39:34] >> Uh so so I would agree with you that my

[39:38] further question though about the budget

[39:39] as opposed to asking about revenue is

[39:42] that the 100,000 that was you took back

[39:45] in house to do it um through receipts to

[39:48] the department of development I see that

[39:50] last year we allocated 570,000 on the CT

[39:54] uh BG line for department development

[39:56] and this year same amount. So I was so

[40:00] the question for me became how where

[40:03] that account is. So the that 570,000

[40:07] are our admin cost. The whole the the

[40:12] SNAP money that 100,000 is not ad is not

[40:15] development admin. So we didn't

[40:17] reallocate it for admin. We reallocated

[40:20] to bid bid it out for project. Okay. So

[40:23] that's why it is not reflected there.

[40:25] Maybe for clarification.

[40:29] Go ahead, please.

[40:30] >> But again, I just want to say what we

[40:33] all 200,000 which I'm now I'm rounding

[40:36] down. Won't be able to remember the

[40:38] exact figure that you keep saying, but

[40:41] we have to go through a process.

[40:43] >> No, we don't have

[40:45] >> No, it doesn't. Not

[40:47] if we do. No, not if we keep it the if

[40:51] we keep it the same. That's already

[40:53] >> Okay, that was my first question when we

[40:55] first started this.

[40:58] >> This is already allocated to the city.

[41:00] It's already allocated.

[41:02] >> It's already It's already allocated.

[41:05] We've already allocated that funding,

[41:07] >> but we need to in the budget. Is that

[41:09] what you're saying? [clears throat]

[41:10] >> I don't know if we need I don't know

[41:12] that part that's outside.

[41:13] >> This is a This is a commissioner a

[41:15] commissioner question, but that's where

[41:16] I think you were jo kind of joking about

[41:19] it being in the cloud. But can look, can

[41:21] we just cut to the question that I'm

[41:24] just trying to find the answer for?

[41:26] >> But you you have the door. So you put

[41:28] your question up.

[41:28] >> So can we just say, okay, instead of

[41:32] zero in the 2026 budget on that line,

[41:36] can we right now all fill in on our

[41:38] budget $200,000

[41:40] >> specifically for SNAP?

[41:41] >> For SNAP.

[41:42] >> Okay. And then you guys, we don't have

[41:44] to worry about, you know, Mr. on putting

[41:48] in invoices, etc., etc. That's all

[41:51] internal staff uh kinds of stuff. But

[41:55] that's the answer to this question.

[41:56] >> Yeah, the thing is that the money

[41:58] 200,000 coming into the staff line, it

[42:01] will reduce um the general fund by

[42:03] $200,000,

[42:04] >> right? A

[42:06] >> that's what the

[42:07] >> right game is.

[42:09] >> A1621 that line is 156. What is that? So

[42:12] under SNAP

[42:14] >> A1621

[42:16] >> A621 100 we can use that $200,000 to

[42:20] offset salary. So we'll just need a

[42:22] revenue in

[42:25] >> and then 200,000 is available

[42:26] >> that goes back to the general fund.

[42:29] >> So just make this up note I I do have

[42:31] that. Thank you so much. This is why we

[42:33] called you.

[42:33] >> What page was that? 1625.

[42:35] >> That is page 25. So

[42:37] >> thank you.

[42:37] >> That is something that we can make um

[42:40] >> 16 recommendations.

[42:41] Ah, I see what you're saying.

[42:43] >> Any other question for uh while we got

[42:45] the

[42:45] >> reply?

[42:47] Mr. Williams.

[42:48] >> Okay.

[42:49] >> I mean although practically for us our

[42:51] involvement in this process does not

[42:53] extend beyond this conversation, there

[42:55] needs to be internal discussions to

[42:57] ensure that that process is done

[42:59] otherwise

[43:01] $300,000.

[43:03] >> So that is a further discussion that

[43:05] does not include us but that needs to

[43:07] happen. How do we make sure that

[43:08] happens? Yeah, and that's exactly how I

[43:11] make myself knowledgeable about that. I

[43:12] will follow to make sure that we capture

[43:14] from 2021 to now, you know, current

[43:17] period as what is available, what needs

[43:20] to spend on things like that. So we

[43:21] don't have any money lingering as the

[43:23] commissioner says in the cloud.

[43:27] >> But

[43:28] >> let me just

[43:30] finish.

[43:31] >> Oh, go ahead please.

[43:32] >> But I think what Mr. Williams is saying

[43:34] how do we ensure because right now we're

[43:36] in this position because it was not

[43:38] drawn down and there were no invoices

[43:39] sent. So what she what Mr. Williams is

[43:43] saying is how do we ensure city invoices

[43:46] are submitted? I mean we we can't do

[43:48] that. We as council that's not our

[43:50] responsibility but what system gets put

[43:53] into place I guess I'll look at you say

[43:55] what system gets put in place so that

[43:57] the invoices are sent so the money gets

[44:00] spent or we could be having the same

[44:01] conversation again next year.

[44:04] again and money won't get spent.

[44:07] >> Again, I just feel like that's an

[44:09] internal I think Mr. Williams just said

[44:11] it. I'm repeating now what you just

[44:13] said, which I was trying to say earlier,

[44:15] which is that's an internal staffing

[44:17] decision. If we can use the $200,000,

[44:20] let's put the $200,000 in our budget.

[44:23] Let's let uh commissioner and our

[44:27] director of development speak with Mr.

[44:28] Lefond or whatever. I mean, is there a

[44:31] deadline in 2026 because that's the

[44:33] 5year mark, right? Um, is there like a

[44:36] is it March 20th? Is it August 17th? I

[44:39] mean, we should let them figure that

[44:41] out. Um, but we the answer to our

[44:44] question is yes, we can put that

[44:46] $200,000 into the SNAP line.

[44:48] >> Yeah, but but it's our responsibility,

[44:50] too, because if we didn't call back this

[44:54] car over here, none of us would have be

[44:56] aware there is $200,000

[44:58] hanging there. So I think we need yeah

[45:02] we can't we can't direct them what to do

[45:03] but we need to be informed of what's

[45:05] going on and if there are things like

[45:06] this outside there

[45:09] commissioner of finance and department

[45:11] of development the director they need to

[45:14] help each other and get it sort of out

[45:16] able to spend all this money.

[45:18] >> Yeah. I was just going to say let's let's look to put that money into that line and then com and this

[45:24] seems like this was something that

[45:26] happened before you were even in the

[45:28] position that you're in now. I have all

[45:30] the confidence in your ability to make

[45:31] sure that we don't lose $200,000 for

[45:34] somebody and then put in the receipt.

[45:35] I'm sure you can do that. Let's go.

[45:38] >> Before Mr. Park was here as well. Boom.

[45:42] >> All right. Go ahead.

[45:42] >> Okay. So, my other Can we leave that

[45:44] line,

[45:46] Mr. M? Are you asking me to move?

[45:47] >> Does everybody think that we finalized

[45:49] that discussion on that one?

[45:51] >> It's going to go into A16.

[45:53] >> Here's my next question for Miss Carver

[45:55] and it is regarding the homes revenue,

[45:58] the sale of homes. So, the budget as a

[46:02] um I have to find it. Sorry.

[46:06] >> Revenue.

[46:07] >> Yep. I want to make sure that that

[46:09] revenue line is realistic. 26.

[46:13] >> 2660.

[46:19] » Uh 260. I don't have 26.

[46:22] >> Okay. Oh, I've got it. Okay.

[46:24] >> Umoop.

[46:27] >> Yeah. Oh, I got it now. Thank you.

[46:29] >> Um, so we've projected

[46:31] in 2026 budget

[46:35] >> $3 million in revenue from the homes

[46:38] program. And at the same time,

[46:42] I'm sorry, I just got to go to this one

[46:44] now.

[46:45] >> 535.

[46:46] >> Thank you.

[46:46] >> Year to date.

[46:47] >> What? Say it again, please.

[46:48] >> 1,535 year to date as of October,

[46:52] >> which probably doesn't include

[46:53] >> was probably since last September.

[46:55] >> Yeah. So, we still have a little bit

[46:56] more revenue than million. So, we talked

[46:59] about this a little bit the last time

[47:00] when I was hearing the mayor gave

[47:02] clarity that we have major projects, the

[47:04] Skenctity D40 project and um housing in

[47:07] Roderdam that is still the sales of that

[47:10] is still pending.

[47:11] >> Um so,

[47:12] >> okay. Just wanted to make sure before we

[47:15] >> the conversation with the mayor said

[47:16] more likely we will

[47:18] >> be close to the estimated for this year.

[47:21] Okay. And then we may have uh one

[47:24] project rolled over into next year with

[47:26] a size of the one in the 2022.

[47:29] >> Okay. Thank you.

[47:30] >> Thank you. Um there are some uh notes

[47:34] out there putting that projection at 4.5

[47:37] million. Does that seem realistic to you

[47:40] from 3 to 4.5?

[47:43] Not not based on our current foreclosure

[47:45] list that's out. I don't think that we

[47:46] have enough properties to satisfy it.

[47:50] Gotcha. I I did ask last night for

[47:53] corporation council to put those

[47:54] together expecting from foreclosures the

[47:58] two six or seven this year but next year

[48:00] two foreclosure ones coming.

[48:02] >> Yeah.

[48:03] >> No any number.

[48:07] >> Let let me recap that the

[48:08] pre-foreclosure that is going to happen

[48:10] into next year plus the the one of the

[48:13] sizable sale property or two into next

[48:17] year. the one next year and two next

[48:19] >> two next year. So that will roll over

[48:21] into next year a sale. So we have three

[48:23] sales before sale into next year. Plus

[48:27] if the two major project doesn't happen

[48:29] this year, it will roll over into next

[48:31] year. That's how I factor my number and

[48:33] ask for that. No, I want to clarify

[48:36] because we did listen to the corporation

[48:38] council. We did talk about it and why am

[48:41] I protecting that number because of two

[48:44] project and because of the the pre

[48:46] foreclosure that's happening next year.

[48:48] >> So do you wish to stick with your 4.5?

[48:51] >> I am sticking with the same estimate

[48:52] from this year into next year.

[48:54] >> So again you think that 4.5 in revenue

[48:58] in that line instead of 3 million is

[49:01] realistic for your staff to achieve

[49:04] >> as I previously stated.

[49:07] I do not think that that is a realistic

[49:10] number based on the list the information

[49:13] on.

[49:13] >> That's okay. I just wanted to clarify

[49:15] it. Okay. Thank you.

[49:19] [clears throat]

[49:20] >> Any other question? Go ahead, please.

[49:22] >> So I would say is that 3 million on that

[49:24] same line a conservative projection or

[49:26] to Mr. Marian's point is there room with

[49:29] the information that you're avail that

[49:31] you have available that you feel

[49:32] comfortable sharing with council that we

[49:34] can go over? I think that's a law. A law

[49:37] should be involved in that because they

[49:39] are the ones that track that list.

[49:41] Council member, we get the list from

[49:43] law.

[49:44] >> Thank you.

[49:45] >> Yeah, we did hear we heard from

[49:47] corporation council that you know in

[49:49] terms of the foreclosure in terms of how

[49:51] much in the pipeline and that's how the

[49:53] factoring and the two pro the two

[49:55] housing project the party and then the

[49:58] sale and relevant those are high high

[50:01] volume sales.

[50:06] There was a question in the email that

[50:08] the commissioner said that you had

[50:09] another question about the cold.

[50:13] Yeah, that's right. Sorry that caught me

[50:16] that was again that um

[50:23] where and I think it's a similar

[50:25] situation as it relate

[50:31] we had 100,000 in revenue and right

[50:34] around

[50:38] » so they did not

[50:42] 100,000 Yes,

[50:45] but um they haven't drawn down. So they

[50:47] for this upcoming year they still were

[50:50] awarded 100,000 but they have 206,000

[50:54] that need to be drawn down.

[50:56] >> So there's 250 now the code if possibly

[51:00] they use in the code doing their

[51:03] >> Yeah. And and I I support that reasoning

[51:06] with putting it in here because I think

[51:07] it helps us um be accountable. That'll

[51:11] kind of ease the conversation with

[51:14] commissioner not to work with our

[51:16] internal you know departments our

[51:18] colleagues to say

[51:20] >> we we got to we got to spin it down

[51:21] because it's in it's in black and white

[51:24] I'm sorry the number was

[51:25] >> yes 206

[51:27] >> go ahead

[51:28] >> so again I'm just trying to clarify are

[51:32] we all hearing and miss carver correct

[51:34] me [clears throat] if I'm wrong that

[51:36] line 217

[51:39] >> what page

[51:40] It's on page 10.

[51:44] » Same thing the CBB stuff that we were

[51:46] just

[51:48] >> So if we wanted to instead of that line

[51:52] being $100,000,

[51:54] could we make that line $300,000?

[51:57] Okay.

[51:57] >> Decrease their expenditure in the

[51:59] expenditure part.

[52:01] >> Reduce the um if you go to the bottom

[52:04] part now, you increase the revenue by

[52:06] 206,000. I'm going to say 200,000 again.

[52:09] and go to

[52:11] code enforcement and we use that for um

[52:15] so we release $200,000 into the general

[52:17] fund again there so that another

[52:19] $200,000 into the general fund

[52:21] >> and may I ask

[52:22] >> that's why I asked the question how much

[52:24] do we

[52:24] >> I'm just I'm just trying to clarify it

[52:26] so

[52:26] >> the only reason we're able to do this is

[52:28] because it's already

[52:32] to us there's already a resolution in

[52:34] place this has already been approved

[52:36] this already went through the citizen

[52:39] participation plan, all of those things.

[52:42] >> Yes.

[52:43] >> That we can [laughter]

[52:46] » I just want the record to reflect that

[52:48] we're not operating outside of

[52:51] >> how we should

[52:53] already allocated to us. So already

[52:55] allocated for this purpose. It's just

[52:57] >> I am so thankful that you're here.

[52:59] >> Okay.

[53:00] >> So that's adding 200.

[53:02] >> Go ahead.

[53:03] >> But also the point is I want to make

[53:05] sure we're not getting ahead of

[53:06] ourselves expecting a different outcome.

[53:08] any significant changes. I confident

[53:11] that Miss Con, Mr. Luke can do their

[53:14] jobs to the best of standards. They're

[53:16] not going to be chasing. They can

[53:18] assist. They can assist, but if there is

[53:21] not an intentional direction from the

[53:24] mayor's office that this is going to be

[53:26] a priority, we will have a bigger hole

[53:30] into next year. So, without that

[53:32] reassurance,

[53:34] I don't feel comfortable. You can put 90

[53:36] in that you put 900,000 in that line,

[53:38] but if the work doesn't get done, the

[53:40] funds don't get replenished into the

[53:42] council and we get replenished into the general fund.

[53:46] >> Well, but let me clarify you can use it

[53:50] for salary.

[53:51] >> Yeah, that's

[53:52] >> so they have to draw it for salary,

[53:53] right? So it's not like a you know time

[53:55] sheet has to be submitted and things

[53:57] like that but that's more you make it

[53:59] more you simplify it more rather than

[54:01] having to go submit invoice and submit

[54:03] how many times they spend out on the in

[54:05] the field is more of a time sheet

[54:07] >> I would say assumptions are

[54:09] >> well no that's not

[54:11] >> it's not an assumption

[54:13] >> time sheets will still be required where

[54:15] they the how where they did their time

[54:18] that still applies it has to be in one

[54:21] of our designated

[54:23] >> areas to a system, right, that can just

[54:25] float.

[54:26] >> Both both things are true. Both things

[54:29] are true. If you use it for these these

[54:31] identified lines like the A1621,

[54:34] then they're going to pull a salary from

[54:36] that line. People are going to have to

[54:37] get paid. But what Miss Carver and and Mr. Williams are both saying is that

[54:43] after people or while the people are

[54:45] getting paid, we still have to make sure

[54:47] we're in compliance with that. And the

[54:48] way to do that is with the appropriate

[54:49] reporting structure. So that's they're

[54:51] both things are true. So, we just looks

[54:54] like we can put almost $400,000 back

[54:56] into our general fund if we use this for

[54:58] salaries.

[54:59] >> Okay, good news.

[55:00] >> Yeah.

[55:01] >> What line are you looking to add this

[55:03] to?

[55:03] >> Undo enforcements to salary.

[55:06] >> It's not just salaries. It's it's about

[55:09] it's in it's written written with HUD

[55:12] that it's a program. So, what is

[55:14] reimburseable is when they go out they

[55:16] do notices for um pole violations.

[55:20] >> That that is that is how it is written. So only the s work

[55:26] those salaries are reimburseable when

[55:28] they do that direct work. So my team we

[55:31] have a policy and procedure the

[55:34] community development supervisor join me

[55:35] tonight. We can you know be intentional

[55:39] about meeting with the team again and

[55:42] kind of going over what's expected

[55:44] because we just did this with cold and

[55:46] it's it's not as easy um as it may seem to be. there there is going to be a

[55:52] little bit of work into it,

[55:54] but that was the whole purpose. Oh, I'm

[55:56] sorry, Mr. Tro. I keep saying your hand.

[55:57] [laughter]

[55:58] Um, but that was the whole purpose of

[55:59] actually assigning the CPG money to code

[56:02] enforcement to do those particular

[56:03] things and to use towards those salaries

[56:05] for doing those particular things.

[56:07] That's just not happening because

[56:09] there's no I I won't say there's no

[56:11] system in place.

[56:12] >> I I will say that it's not being done

[56:14] whether and if not we there should be a

[56:16] system in place and I don't know, Mr.

[56:18] where and how we

[56:19] >> this this is where we can force it. We

[56:21] put them into the into the salary line

[56:23] to draw them on a salary to get a time

[56:24] sheet to go and issue certain you know

[56:27] whatever it was whatever they need to

[56:29] draw them against they need to go ahead

[56:30] and do it and get this money and spend

[56:34] >> and follow follow the the application

[56:36] >> because Roberta and Roberta and co used

[56:39] to do this so there was already a

[56:41] backlog in it and then there was a

[56:44] transition co so that's part of the

[56:46] reason why those funds haven't been sent

[56:49] back as

[56:51] Yeah, go ahead.

[56:52] >> Thank you.

[56:54] >> So, and we also have to remember, excuse

[56:56] me, we have three code officers moving

[56:58] forward that are presently there with

[57:00] two supervisors. So, sending individuals

[57:03] out into the field. I don't know how

[57:04] much it and trust me, I'm happy that we

[57:07] can get money back into for you know

[57:09] going out to doing these things. Is the

[57:11] money from code 2021 as well? That is

[57:17] multiple years. So, 2022 of 100,000 that

[57:22] commissioner doesn't see because it is

[57:24] not set up

[57:25] >> right

[57:26] >> know it's complexities to it so I'm not

[57:28] expecting you to understand but we

[57:30] haven't set it up in our HUD system but

[57:33] it was allocated

[57:34] >> and then we have 100,000 from 2024

[57:40] and they have a balance of $6,342

[57:44] from 2023

[57:48] » any ideawide

[57:51] it was done some years not other years

[57:54] um staffing I mean and and

[57:59] it's it's there's complexity when we

[58:01] talk about the federal dollars in the

[58:03] systems right so you have to you use the

[58:05] oldest money first so we can award you

[58:08] in 2025 but if you have money in 2021

[58:11] when we draw down we got to draw down

[58:13] that oldest money because

[58:15] >> the time is ticking and they'll recap

[58:17] recapture it So it doesn't in

[58:21] transition, you know, I'm not making I'm

[58:23] not making excuses.

[58:24] >> It doesn't make sense why it's there.

[58:26] >> But I'm conf I'm confident that my team

[58:30] is working on this, which is why I can

[58:32] give you these numbers right now, right?

[58:34] Because last year this time, I wouldn't

[58:36] have been able to give you these

[58:39] numbers.

[58:41] So we're we're we're working on kind of

[58:43] aligning our our system with with the

[58:46] HUD system in the funding.

[58:50] Mr. Mir, I just want the record to

[58:52] reflect that through Miss Carb and her

[58:54] team's work, she's not she's has helped

[58:57] us identify money to support our youth

[58:59] line and and a potential additional if

[59:03] we work this right, adding back

[59:06] >> $400,000 to our general fund. under the

[59:08] code. I know it's kind of relieved

[59:10] >> based on the work of hurricanes.

[59:13] >> Super. I know that's right, M president.

[59:15] So, thank So, I just want to say that that's a you know, when I spoke

[59:19] with you earlier about the youth money,

[59:21] I I wasn't even aware of this other

[59:24] money that was there. So, this is all a

[59:25] result of your team's work. So, Mitch,

[59:27] we appreciate the work that you guys are

[59:28] doing. Um, very valuable.

[59:31] >> Are there any other funding? [laughter]

[59:35] >> You would like me to stay. Mitch, stand

[59:37] up and check in those cushions. See if

[59:39] there's some change in there. We want to

[59:41] know.

[59:43] [laughter]

[59:44] >> I'm trying to get some money for this

[59:45] guy.

[59:47] >> There's no other funding. And when we do

[59:49] identify that funding, we we're going to

[59:51] have to go through our citizen

[59:52] participation plan [clears throat] and

[59:54] put that out there and take application.

[59:56] So, that'll be a process that will

[59:58] happen sometime early next year. I have

[1:00:01] to add to the surp.

[1:00:12] » Imagine if we gave her a statement.

[1:00:15] [laughter]

[1:00:17] >> They're not spending any money.

[1:00:18] [clears throat]

[1:00:18] >> Um, so Mr. Harvin, there's another

[1:00:20] question that came up. I just want to

[1:00:21] make sure that um in terms of the send

[1:00:24] down where it shows if you had 500

[1:00:25] 700,000 but then the year to date you

[1:00:28] like 91,000. be nice about that. So if

[1:00:30] you just want to give clarity while

[1:00:33] >> then there's we spent out 91,000. We

[1:00:36] still have time right now with the

[1:00:37] shutdown. We don't have access to some

[1:00:40] of our draw down systems to to draw down

[1:00:42] the money and then we have some pending

[1:00:44] time sheets that the team is working on

[1:00:46] that will get us closer to to the finish

[1:00:49] line. So that'll happen before the end

[1:00:51] of the year.

[1:00:53] >> Good. That's right. So in terms of um

[1:00:56] not the Hibernians but the other senior

[1:00:58] programs um because we don't have money

[1:01:01] >> they didn't submit application.

[1:01:04] >> No no I'm talking about the Catholic

[1:01:06] Charities um the the senior lunch

[1:01:08] programs on Mondays and uh Wednesdays

[1:01:10] and Friday well actually it's now it's

[1:01:11] just um

[1:01:13] >> yeah Monday.

[1:01:15] >> I mean I guess I'm not going to worry

[1:01:17] about that right now because it's

[1:01:20] $60,000 or something. It seems like

[1:01:23] maybe we'd be able to figure something

[1:01:25] out as we go forward in terms of finding

[1:01:28] $60,000. Um, right.

[1:01:31] >> That that doesn't go through her.

[1:01:32] >> It's not a matter of finding it.

[1:01:34] >> Well, I just figured we could figure out

[1:01:35] a way to work with her on on

[1:01:37] >> we

[1:01:39] >> just we found money for the youth line.

[1:01:42] >> No, I I know I I understand what we just

[1:01:44] did.

[1:01:44] >> As important the youth line is, it is

[1:01:47] very important for us to fund the city

[1:01:49] line. So, there's no doubt about it. It

[1:01:51] will have to be something that needs to

[1:01:53] go back into the budget regarding

[1:01:54] student,

[1:01:55] >> right? We just have to find the money.

[1:01:56] >> We could Well, we were going to do the

[1:01:58] golf course first for the youth program.

[1:02:00] Why couldn't we use the golf course

[1:02:01] revenue to support the seniors?

[1:02:03] >> Well, we already have youth.

[1:02:04] >> Let's let's not

[1:02:06] touch

[1:02:08] and get out of here. Um there's other

[1:02:10] thing I asked in the email in terms of

[1:02:12] two agencies. Um and we asked it the

[1:02:15] last time you were here. Do you have any

[1:02:18] in terms of um

[1:02:19] >> so the the two the two agencies um that

[1:02:23] my department has identified for art um

[1:02:26] that we have concerns around will be the

[1:02:28] foundation which is $339,300.

[1:02:35] Um

[1:02:37] and the second organization is the

[1:02:40] Hamilton Hill Art Center which is 1.2

[1:02:42] million. Now the dar

[1:02:46] uh Mitch can join me if you have some

[1:02:50] you know detailed questions. Mitch has

[1:02:52] been working one on one with both

[1:02:55] organizations I've been involved as well

[1:02:57] of working oneonone. Marie has submitted

[1:03:01] a plan that is not really realistic to

[1:03:04] spend this money in time and they don't

[1:03:06] seem to have um the additional funding

[1:03:08] that's needed to carry out the project

[1:03:10] that was once identified at the time of

[1:03:13] application and coming to to council.

[1:03:16] That doesn't seem to exist with Hamilton

[1:03:19] Hill. They are moving forward. They have

[1:03:21] a project manager now and they've

[1:03:24] submitted an updated plan. But with the

[1:03:26] time that we have given them to spend

[1:03:29] this money, it is 5050 from from our lens. Okay. They u Mitch is

[1:03:36] working with them for a backup plan to

[1:03:38] maybe instead of doing a new build to do

[1:03:41] the older rehab their existing building

[1:03:45] already. So we have been trying to

[1:03:48] troubleshoot

[1:03:49] um troubleshoot.

[1:03:53] >> [clears throat]

[1:03:53] >> So Mitch, you want to give us any

[1:03:55] updates on where?

[1:03:56] >> Well, we have met with Hamilton Hill

[1:03:58] [clears throat] and I was in we were

[1:04:01] introduced to their project manager who

[1:04:04] seems very confident. Um I just received

[1:04:07] a copy of a that I believe yesterday

[1:04:11] a bid he wants to send out to for the

[1:04:15] project to get it so they can get ahead

[1:04:17] of it started.

[1:04:19] uh [clears throat] and we will review

[1:04:21] that and get back to him and he's

[1:04:24] following the the policies and

[1:04:25] procedures to give any bits to us. So we

[1:04:28] will end up uh moving that forward and

[1:04:31] he or they understand that you know the concern is that you know their

[1:04:37] project manager has said that in order

[1:04:40] to spend the 1 to be sure we spend the

[1:04:42] 1.2 2 million by June 30th 2026.

[1:04:46] >> He needs about 6 months of construction

[1:04:49] based on his long. So

[1:04:53] if this starts and that's being that's

[1:04:56] you know making sure that he could spend

[1:04:57] it

[1:04:59] uh so if they started on January 1st

[1:05:02] which you know may or may not happen uh

[1:05:06] even if they started February so they

[1:05:09] may be able to do it. they they maybe

[1:05:11] they get spent 75%. There's no way to

[1:05:14] know but it's it's going to be cutting

[1:05:16] it very close to you know by that

[1:05:19] timeline. There is a backup plan if that

[1:05:22] doesn't seem to work for some reason and

[1:05:25] that is to you know switch over to

[1:05:27] repairs on the their existing building

[1:05:30] and they're they're doing a two-track

[1:05:33] kind of thing to see uh how they can go

[1:05:37] but that is once again like Alex said

[1:05:39] it's 50/50.

[1:05:41] I did have an opportunity today to meet

[1:05:44] with Metroplex and we're going to have a

[1:05:46] conversation with the Hill and Metroplex

[1:05:49] so they can offer some project

[1:05:50] management support to make sure that the

[1:05:52] project can move forward. Um I'm

[1:05:55] grateful that Metroplex is able to

[1:05:56] support us in that way because we don't

[1:05:58] have the capacity to offer full project

[1:06:01] management. So, we are working to try to

[1:06:05] >> um

[1:06:07] to assist them to make sure that the

[1:06:08] project is able to move forward. I'll

[1:06:10] add this that we gave our subreients one

[1:06:13] date and we gave ourselves a little bit

[1:06:16] of time in the event.

[1:06:18] >> Mhm.

[1:06:19] >> Then things stra. So, we do have a

[1:06:23] little bit of fluff time. We have some

[1:06:26] cushion there. Um so, I'm glad that we

[1:06:29] did that contractually. We gave that one

[1:06:32] time, but we gave ourselves a little bit

[1:06:34] of time for [clears throat] projects

[1:06:36] that may be a little bit delayed. That

[1:06:38] was my that was actually my question

[1:06:40] because when we initially started this

[1:06:42] conversation with the CBG, excuse me,

[1:06:44] with the AR funds we were allocating, we

[1:06:47] consistently said people recipients that

[1:06:50] they had till the end of 2026. We said

[1:06:52] that council you said that. We said

[1:06:54] that. So I I believe that some people

[1:06:57] kind of thought they had just time and

[1:06:59] now um it's been less than by six months

[1:07:02] time. That's well understood. So

[1:07:04] [laughter]

[1:07:05] essentially my question is let's say

[1:07:07] they don't quite make it to the end of

[1:07:09] June. It takes them to the end of July.

[1:07:11] Is there still an opportunity to make

[1:07:12] sure that they get

[1:07:13] >> Yeah, there's still an there's still an

[1:07:15] opportunity. If we would have given them

[1:07:17] contracts to the end of the year, they

[1:07:19] would

[1:07:20] >> we don't have enough time to do

[1:07:21] reporting. We don't know what the US

[1:07:23] Treasury is going to ask of us. And by that time comes, we need to have our

[1:07:27] ducks in the ducks in the row. So there is a little wiggle room, but

[1:07:31] there's not much. We're not saying

[1:07:32] there's four additional months because

[1:07:34] we want to give us ourselves time to

[1:07:36] compile whatever it is that is going to

[1:07:38] be required by Treasury.

[1:07:41] >> Thank you.

[1:07:41] >> Metroplex um working with Hamilton Hills

[1:07:44] is a great thing. Do you think that um

[1:07:46] that's a conversation you could have

[1:07:48] with them to assist maybe with Dur as

[1:07:50] well?

[1:07:52] I I'll relax. And what's most important

[1:07:54] is not even Metroplex being willing.

[1:07:57] Metroplex is our partner. So, they want

[1:07:58] to support us. It's about our subreients

[1:08:01] being willing to accept that um support.

[1:08:04] So, we're going to contact our

[1:08:06] subreients

[1:08:08] and and walk them through that and know

[1:08:10] that let them know that that support is

[1:08:12] available to them. I I think that DR is

[1:08:15] a different situation though because the

[1:08:18] funding for that project and Mitch can

[1:08:20] touch on that is not really aligned

[1:08:24] as as at the time of of application. So

[1:08:27] when they applied for it, they said they

[1:08:29] had XYZ funding. They've had a

[1:08:31] transition in leadership and she's

[1:08:33] identified that she doesn't know. I'll

[1:08:36] let Mitch elaborate.

[1:08:38] >> So I've met [clears throat] with

[1:08:40] Reverend Solomon of De Foundation. uh

[1:08:42] multiple times and uh

[1:08:47] she was not even aware of this in her

[1:08:50] only [clears throat] 25 that they

[1:08:51] [snorts] even had this.

[1:08:53] >> Uh so they did, you know, start moving

[1:08:56] forward and try and do some things and

[1:08:57] they ran into some snags.

[1:09:00] she did, you know, recently back on uh

[1:09:03] September 19th, I asked her for a

[1:09:06] revised scope of work and revised budget

[1:09:08] to see how it fits and she didn't do we

[1:09:11] revised budget of $128,000 of the

[1:09:14] $339,000.

[1:09:16] Uh however, it doesn't really meet the

[1:09:20] so the initial funding that we that the

[1:09:23] uh city was funding them for provided

[1:09:26] some some repairs and upgrades and

[1:09:29] furniture to get their steps program

[1:09:31] started uh which is a pretty

[1:09:33] comprehensive program and that was

[1:09:35] supposed to I have their timeline here

[1:09:37] and they were supposed to start

[1:09:38] construction

[1:09:40] uh in January and June construction

[1:09:42] would be done and we were going to fund

[1:09:44] the programming for a full year after

[1:09:49] uh this you know new funding which this

[1:09:54] new application obvious budget will not

[1:09:58] obviously fund a year's worth of

[1:10:03] uh work and the idea was that so they

[1:10:06] have 18 months basically of some you

[1:10:09] know equipment and upgrades and then a

[1:10:12] year's worth of a total of you know a

[1:10:14] year's worth six months rehab and

[1:10:17] equipment, 12 months of funding to get

[1:10:22] the program going. That would give them

[1:10:24] the impetus to continue to, you know,

[1:10:27] raise funds and and work to, you know,

[1:10:29] make sure it gets continued.

[1:10:31] >> They will not have that there. And I

[1:10:33] don't know how much they can

[1:10:34] realistically do in a six-month time

[1:10:36] frame between now, you know, six or

[1:10:38] eight month time frame between now and

[1:10:40] June.

[1:10:41] >> And not to get weeds in this, so this

[1:10:44] would be the last question around this.

[1:10:45] I know.

[1:10:46] >> No, but I just I think that this might

[1:10:48] be a [clears throat] little more

[1:10:48] granular than we want to get. So, if I'm

[1:10:51] understanding correctly, then there's

[1:10:53] money that was going to go into the like

[1:10:55] some construction of a place to house

[1:10:57] the program and then we were going to

[1:11:00] support said programming, right? So,

[1:11:04] would it be impactful for them? And I

[1:11:07] think this is something obviously they

[1:11:08] can help reach out to like if they if

[1:11:11] they found a partner that could provide

[1:11:13] them with a programming space that

[1:11:15] wouldn't require construction, would

[1:11:17] that help them or no? I guess I'm trying

[1:11:19] to figure out.

[1:11:20] >> They

[1:11:21] don't have the programming gear to go.

[1:11:25] >> Okay. Are you okay?

[1:11:27] >> That's you know they did put in their

[1:11:29] new budget project manager

[1:11:31] [clears throat]

[1:11:31] >> to try and get things started.

[1:11:33] >> Mhm. But once again, you know, you're

[1:11:36] starting a program from scratch and you

[1:11:38] know, Rebecca Solomon was uninvolved in

[1:11:41] the initial planning. So, she's coming

[1:11:43] in, you know, really fresh and

[1:11:48] >> Oh, okay. I I think I know. Okay.

[1:11:51] >> When came to council, the program was

[1:11:53] supposedly already going.

[1:11:55] >> Yeah. [clears throat]

[1:11:57] Pastor Nikki. Yeah. She was Okay.

[1:12:12] » [clears throat]

[1:12:15] » Sorry guys,

[1:12:17] I'm trying to propose myself to this one

[1:12:19] because

[1:12:21] [cough and clears throat] advocate for

[1:12:22] them to receive $525,000

[1:12:24] from the county to do the construction

[1:12:28] $75,000 to do the exterior.

[1:12:31] We're falling apart because we can't put

[1:12:33] the program together to manage our

[1:12:36] 328,000.

[1:12:39] >> I

[1:12:41] can't say a few more.

[1:12:42] >> Yeah, I I think that's something that

[1:12:45] seems like there's some key pieces

[1:12:47] missing that we might get, but I know

[1:12:48] where you're going. So, I think maybe a

[1:12:50] conversation.

[1:12:51] >> Let's have this.

[1:12:52] >> Yes.

[1:12:52] >> Any other questions? Thank you so much.

[1:12:54] Uh thank you. Any other questions?

[1:12:58] >> No, I think she's covered it. Is there

[1:13:01] anything that you want to tell us that

[1:13:02] you did not ask?

[1:13:06] >> No.

[1:13:06] >> You ask more money.

[1:13:07] >> Smart move. Smart move. I like that.

[1:13:10] There you open yourself more question.

[1:13:12] >> Thank you.

[1:13:13] so much. Thank you for good

[1:13:15] guidance today.

[1:13:16] >> Thank you.

[1:13:17] both.

[1:13:26] [clears throat]

[1:13:27] >> Chief

[1:13:29] Evening.

[1:13:41] » Good evening. How you all doing? All

[1:13:42] right. Sorry to get you all sweating.

[1:13:46] Blame it for the department. Ask me too

[1:13:48] many questions. [laughter]

[1:13:50] >> They know that.

[1:13:54] >> Oh,

[1:13:55] >> they would not find that hard. Um, so we

[1:13:57] have two questions on revenue. I'm let

[1:14:02] hopefully doesn't have that.

[1:14:05] The one has to do with follow of the

[1:14:07] email that we were sharing in terms of

[1:14:09] the um the delinquent um [clears throat]

[1:14:12] delinquent parking tickets

[1:14:14] >> that um we spoke about last year and if

[1:14:17] capital recovery is working with your

[1:14:20] team to kind of scare that and um

[1:14:24] looking at the actuals it's kind of like

[1:14:26] in my eyes it looks on the competition

[1:14:29] we had last year and how can we able to

[1:14:33] ramp that up to get some higher numbers

[1:14:35] into next next year.

[1:14:37] >> So, currently in year to date right now,

[1:14:40] as of yesterday or today, um we've had

[1:14:47] we had $130,64.95

[1:14:53] of outstanding tickets.

[1:14:57] » That's 1593

[1:15:00] tickets paid. Uh the oldest ticket was

[1:15:03] issued March 20th of 2000

[1:15:07] and then the most recent one was 6

[1:15:09] months.

[1:15:10] Anything delinquent has 6 months or more

[1:15:12] in order to be considered delinquent.

[1:15:15] The [clears throat]

[1:15:17] um

[1:15:19] November of 2024 is when we started

[1:15:23] working with uh Capital Recovery.

[1:15:25] because that's when the first uh 44,000

[1:15:28] I think tickets went out and last year I

[1:15:32] can't remember what the um the number

[1:15:34] was but the they're we're not paying

[1:15:37] anything to them. They're adding above

[1:15:39] and beyond what we're

[1:15:41] charged.

[1:15:45] It's a percentage of what they do.

[1:15:46] >> Yeah. We've collected $13,64.

[1:15:50] they've collected 32,961

[1:15:53] above and beyond what we've collected.

[1:15:55] >> Um that was what they've they charge for

[1:15:57] the service and lose any of our actual

[1:16:00] revenue for it.

[1:16:01] >> And

[1:16:03] there's I don't know there's maybe other

[1:16:06] options for another collection agency

[1:16:08] possibly, but there's that's really

[1:16:10] nothing that I don't know how other way

[1:16:12] to to do right now. We don't actually do

[1:16:14] any of this work. It goes from passport

[1:16:17] which is our agency goes right from

[1:16:20] there to uh Montgomery and they handle

[1:16:24] everything for us. So there's no city

[1:16:25] involvement as far as that goes and they

[1:16:28] just mail the letters out. We let the uh

[1:16:30] they let the fees and we pay down

[1:16:33] >> the agreement that we have with them can

[1:16:35] be taken more than recovery agency. We I

[1:16:38] have

[1:16:41] I believe it's going to be exclusive,

[1:16:42] but I don't know when we'd have to check

[1:16:45] the law department on that. I might be

[1:16:47] able to get a copy of it as well. But um

[1:16:51] we signed it in

[1:16:54] probably three years ago, four years

[1:16:56] ago. It took that long

[1:16:59] to take a long time to go.

[1:17:00] [clears throat]

[1:17:01] It very well could be expiring or be

[1:17:03] out, but um we can definitely find out

[1:17:06] when the when the contract expires on

[1:17:08] it.

[1:17:10] So from the time of Tuesday,

[1:17:14] October 14th, so it's like $8,000

[1:17:17] more than the last actual provider to

[1:17:21] me. Now

[1:17:21] >> yes that's you know they keep they keep

[1:17:24] adding on to the the amount I just want

[1:17:27] you spoke about yesterday

[1:17:30] that's $8,000

[1:17:33] >> in a in a 6 days 7 days period but the

[1:17:37] whole question is um

[1:17:40] the revenue that we have in the budget

[1:17:41] for 2020 is $170,000

[1:17:44] I was thinking that that sooner because

[1:17:47] they started last year they're ramping

[1:17:48] up now

[1:17:50] >> [laughter]

[1:17:52] » and work with them to be more aggressive

[1:17:55] in terms of pushing all the ticket as

[1:17:57] much as they can rather than leaving

[1:17:59] them and kind of say okay we'll take it

[1:18:01] from there but we want to make more of a

[1:18:03] hands-on approach and say guys give us a

[1:18:05] report every every two week every month

[1:18:07] or where you are and we need to kind of

[1:18:09] [clears throat] like ramp it up is that

[1:18:11] something that

[1:18:13] >> adding more uh work on your side

[1:18:15] >> so not there's really not much we can do

[1:18:17] from our side with capital recovery

[1:18:19] they're They mount letters out. Um they

[1:18:21] I think they do eight or nine series

[1:18:23] letters. So they they run all the data.

[1:18:25] They mount letters out. I don't know if

[1:18:27] they don't they make phone calls. They

[1:18:29] just they constantly mount the letters

[1:18:31] out. Um the only other thing that we do

[1:18:33] is we run details internally. So all

[1:18:37] these license plates are put into our

[1:18:39] LPRs. So our officers drive around the

[1:18:42] parking officers. If there's um $300 or

[1:18:45] more owed in tickets, like if the go

[1:18:48] off, if the officers are not on call,

[1:18:51] they might stop the officer or might

[1:18:54] stop the car or um in the morning

[1:18:56] traffic officers go out. Um I think

[1:18:59] >> yeah, I was going to touch I was going

[1:19:00] to touch that.

[1:19:03] >> I do have that right now.

[1:19:05] >> I just got this information. So

[1:19:08] [clears throat] this year, so I believe

[1:19:10] we ran 27 details.

[1:19:12] >> Mhm. Um, we've had 414

[1:19:18] vehicles that were towed. 414

[1:19:22] vehicles. So, some of those are older,

[1:19:25] some of those are new vehicles. As far

[1:19:27] as um, SC, as far as like some of them,

[1:19:32] that's people that owe $300 or more. The

[1:19:35] total revenue that brought in from that.

[1:19:37] Some of the people may not have paid um

[1:19:39] but the total outstanding tickets was

[1:19:41] $218,953

[1:19:44] from those and that cost us $24,26.

[1:19:51] » I'm sorry. [clears throat] 24,000

[1:19:52] >> $26.

[1:19:54] >> Thank you.

[1:19:56] >> Um

[1:19:58] for $218,000.

[1:20:01] So 2 has 27 stock details 414 vehicles

[1:20:04] towed 218,953

[1:20:07] recovered 24,26 in overtime and then

[1:20:10] gain of 194747.

[1:20:12] When I say net gain it's a gain however

[1:20:16] it's money owed to the city. So we're

[1:20:17] really paying the overtime but it's

[1:20:19] money the city already is owed anyway.

[1:20:22] So saying that gain however

[1:20:25] >> we're paying to get the revenue back.

[1:20:29] >> Yeah. When you look at it to be

[1:20:30] [clears throat and cough] We have the

[1:20:31] money set aside to pay for the overtime

[1:20:33] up or down recovery explosion of $28,000

[1:20:36] because if you didn't do that effort

[1:20:38] that 280,000 will be still out there.

[1:20:41] >> Yes.

[1:20:41] So that's 280

[1:20:43] >> almost 219,000.

[1:20:44] >> 28.

[1:20:46] >> So [clears throat] going back to the

[1:20:47] building,

[1:20:52] » would it be safe for us to increase

[1:20:54] $500,000?

[1:20:59] >> I

[1:21:01] would be gone.

[1:21:03] [laughter]

[1:21:05] >> So you're a whole bunch more.

[1:21:07] >> So I would

[1:21:08] >> No, no. Talking about the delinquent

[1:21:10] parking, but the recovery

[1:21:12] not the delinquent. I would say you're

[1:21:14] more apt to increase actual parking

[1:21:18] tickets or uh themselves. Not maybe not

[1:21:23] the delinquent part. The delinquents are

[1:21:25] six months old and over.

[1:21:28] >> So even though we we've ran,000 taken in

[1:21:31] 200 something,000

[1:21:34] of that 2007,000 only 130,000 of it has

[1:21:38] been 6 months older.

[1:21:40] >> Okay.

[1:21:41] >> So of that 130 that's included in that

[1:21:43] too. So the rest of that money has been

[1:21:46] six months. So some people just I don't

[1:21:48] want to go too off track. Another figure

[1:21:51] I'm going to throw at you.

[1:22:00] I'm sorry. Can you just tell me the old

[1:22:01] the one over six months was 101

[1:22:04] >> uh over 6 months is

[1:22:08] $130,64.95

[1:22:15] over six months. How far are back? Not

[1:22:18] >> back to 2000.

[1:22:18] >> Oh, to 2000. Yeah, we had three tickets

[1:22:20] from 2000 and then we had

[1:22:23] >> Louise

[1:22:25] >> five from 2001, one from 2003 when

[1:22:29] >> that was paid.

[1:22:32] >> When we were when [clears throat] we

[1:22:34] were going through the reports last

[1:22:35] year, we had we were we were looking at

[1:22:39] a few million dollars of that we think

[1:22:42] is like we can recover.

[1:22:44] >> Not the one that 10 years old and things

[1:22:46] like that, but it was like way beyond

[1:22:49] Anybody's [clears throat]

[1:22:51] reach

[1:22:55] what are we? [clears throat]

[1:22:59] » No.

[1:23:04] » So right now the you know for three

[1:23:08] years so money that is 3 years old or

[1:23:11] less is1,252,2851.25

[1:23:18] 25 million is three years or less. That

[1:23:21] is the the highest chance of recovery.

[1:23:26] If you go out a total of

[1:23:30] 10 years and older, just 10 years and

[1:23:34] one line alone, there is uh 41,000

[1:23:39] tickets that are 10 years and older. And

[1:23:42] that is like uh

[1:23:45] that money gonna say besides the fact

[1:23:49] that we got money we have 200 this year

[1:23:52] we

[1:23:54] >> $180 from 2000 most likely that

[1:23:58] >> so is there is there like so if the

[1:24:02] public knows that hey you know we're

[1:24:04] going out to get these funds owed to the

[1:24:06] city um is there like a I mean besides

[1:24:10] having to call down putting is there any like maybe like on an app

[1:24:14] or something where people can just enter

[1:24:16] in their I don't know if it would be

[1:24:18] their license or their car, you know,

[1:24:20] maybe their tag number because I'm

[1:24:22] thinking that some people go, "Oh, I got

[1:24:24] a ticket. I got to pay it." If we if we

[1:24:27] have a a simplified way for them to to access that information and then it

[1:24:32] doesn't cost the manh hours as it can

[1:24:34] reduce some of the manh hours to collect

[1:24:36] some of that money. Is there a way to

[1:24:38] >> Yes, they can call in at any time or

[1:24:39] there's a website they want to put their license plate in on the

[1:24:42] website. It's I don't want to say I

[1:24:44] think it's connected what's on the main

[1:24:47] site but park pay or something like that

[1:24:50] and then the license plate didn't be

[1:24:52] able to pay and that'll go for all of

[1:24:54] the ticket not moving violations though

[1:24:55] that just be parking.

[1:24:57] >> Okay. All right. So um also if like

[1:25:01] somebody has

[1:25:04] app and they you know they take part the

[1:25:08] delinquent tickets also show off there

[1:25:10] don't they

[1:25:12] >> uh that would be

[1:25:13] >> amounts I don't know

[1:25:16] >> that I do not know

[1:25:18] >> I don't well I don't have one so I

[1:25:22] >> no so when you put something in your

[1:25:25] passport and they get a ticket that

[1:25:27] doesn't show up on

[1:25:28] under your parking fines.

[1:25:30] >> So yes, the park the same this is the

[1:25:33] same system. So I'm guessing that it

[1:25:35] probably is but I'm not I'm about to

[1:25:38] [clears throat]

[1:25:39] go back to 2000 or go back to four or

[1:25:42] five years ago

[1:25:43] >> cuz before [clears throat] passport it

[1:25:45] was plus

[1:25:47] >> so some of our reporting when you go

[1:25:50] back four years ago or five years ago

[1:25:52] the the reporting sides changed. So that

[1:25:56] probably is when you go back to the 5

[1:25:59] years.

[1:26:01] >> No, I don't mean five years. I meant

[1:26:03] like

[1:26:04] >> recent.

[1:26:05] >> Yeah.

[1:26:06] >> So probably show up. So if you if you

[1:26:09] have a ticket can go in the passport to

[1:26:12] pay for new parking or pay new parking

[1:26:15] spot.

[1:26:18] » You provide around less 1.2 million.

[1:26:21] >> Yes.

[1:26:22] >> Do you have a number up to five years?

[1:26:37] That includes the doubling of the fun

[1:26:50] through four years is 1.48. 48 million.

[1:26:55] >> Okay.

[1:26:58] >> What is the billing point?

[1:27:00] >> 14 1,48,614.

[1:27:04] » Okay.

[1:27:05] >> And then you add that fifth year

[1:27:13] [clears throat]

[1:27:16] is 1,671,244.

[1:27:25] And when you add the entire thing

[1:27:27] together as far back as our records go,

[1:27:30] >> um that's the 10 years and all the way

[1:27:32] back including everything is 5.25.

[1:27:36] >> We need that

[1:27:39] right on

[1:27:39] >> some of those people are

[1:27:41] >> yes they might have been deceased or you

[1:27:45] know moved.

[1:27:46] >> Yes. We can't [clears throat]

[1:27:50] >> this recovery first started in November

[1:27:52] of last year.

[1:27:53] >> November 2024

[1:27:55] since the first tickets got mailed out

[1:27:57] and then from that we've got I can't

[1:27:59] remember what it was last year. It was

[1:28:01] very low um because the first ticket

[1:28:04] went out. I can't remember what the the

[1:28:06] final revenue was very low. But so far

[1:28:09] this year we've got 130,000 so far this

[1:28:12] year. Um and it's it's scary. We still

[1:28:14] have two more months to go. So hopefully

[1:28:17] we'll we'll continue to to see that and

[1:28:19] every time ticket gets six months old

[1:28:23] and older, it automatically triggers

[1:28:25] that they start that flexing process. So

[1:28:28] right now

[1:28:30] um 31 to 60 days old. We have 588

[1:28:34] tickets have a total base value of

[1:28:37] 29,000 with penalties of 29,000.

[1:28:41] the total value of 59,165.

[1:28:44] And then 61 to 90 days, we have 634

[1:28:48] tickets outstanding with a total value

[1:28:49] of 65,000.

[1:28:51] 91 to 80 days, 192 tickets with a total

[1:28:55] value of 194,000. So as these tickets

[1:28:59] become older, if we don't get them

[1:29:01] through the SC details or people come in

[1:29:04] and pay them, those tickets become

[1:29:05] delinquent and they am not out and that

[1:29:08] will become in this revenue instead of

[1:29:09] our regular revenue. But our parking

[1:29:13] revenue is um the highest spend ever

[1:29:16] just because our our parking guys are

[1:29:18] out there really.

[1:29:20] >> I think we they talked about this but

[1:29:22] I'm not sure about DMV. When would

[1:29:24] [clears throat] this report to DMV

[1:29:26] >> that um I don't have the answer to that

[1:29:31] one?

[1:29:32] >> Okay.

[1:29:33] >> It's not uh that the law has changed

[1:29:36] over the last couple years. So, as far

[1:29:38] as the fines go as far as it being just

[1:29:43] a fine, they don't I don't believe they

[1:29:46] do go unless there's other kind of

[1:29:48] circumstances. I don't know what those

[1:29:50] are. But overall, I mean, starting last

[1:29:52] November and the efforts, I mean, this

[1:29:54] year, $130,000 and we still have two

[1:29:57] months to go and it's a good effort. I

[1:29:59] still sense the feeling that um we're

[1:30:01] going to do better next year because

[1:30:03] people going to get these tickets more

[1:30:04] often. We're going to get the letter

[1:30:06] repeated letters and they're going to pay it. So I I think a better protection into next year might

[1:30:16] be a better you know

[1:30:20] better better for revenue in terms of

[1:30:21] how we we have right now $170,000

[1:30:25] cuz

[1:30:27] let's say you collect $150,000 this year

[1:30:31] next year going to be people they're

[1:30:34] going to start pay they realize that

[1:30:35] they're getting this letter now it never

[1:30:36] used to happen all of a sudden I'm

[1:30:38] getting letter notified me that I have I

[1:30:40] was planning to kick a steady so I need

[1:30:42] to pay for it

[1:30:46] now.

[1:30:46] >> So it's likely going to kind of like

[1:30:49] >> increase up for a little while then

[1:30:51] it'll peak and then [clears throat]

[1:30:53] >> we'll it'll start to go down a little

[1:30:54] bit but to your point right now it's

[1:30:56] trending up. So you're saying

[1:30:58] >> to maybe increase that line a little bit

[1:31:00] because of it's trending up. is driving

[1:31:02] up because people are getting they the

[1:31:05] agency is sending out letters notifying

[1:31:08] individual that they have outstanding

[1:31:10] tickets.

[1:31:11] >> So what are you thinking now after

[1:31:12] hearing that? What do you think?

[1:31:14] >> Not $500,000.

[1:31:17] [laughter]

[1:31:17] >> Chief is looking at

[1:31:21] sitting there. I have to like I have to

[1:31:22] like push them [laughter] all.

[1:31:24] >> She's about to go out there right now

[1:31:25] and start.

[1:31:29] Okay.

[1:31:32] >> All right.

[1:31:35] » It's good information. That's why that's

[1:31:36] why I asked for you to be back here

[1:31:38] because

[1:31:38] >> right while they're here,

[1:31:39] >> we can sit here. We can sit here and you

[1:31:42] know say our you know come up with our

[1:31:44] estimate but here where you are and this

[1:31:46] is the detail that we need.

[1:31:48] >> So that is good information and we'll take that into consideration. And

[1:31:51] the next one I want to touch on is the followup uh email the second I think

[1:31:56] is the same email second page in terms

[1:31:59] of the detail and the 3:00 a.m. to 7 um

[1:32:04] 7 a.m. detail and the the estimate that

[1:32:09] you put there. I apologize if I don't

[1:32:11] want to go more about [clears throat]

[1:32:13] >> um how often are they doing this? So

[1:32:17] this every day

[1:32:18] >> no those are the calls we call it stop

[1:32:20] law detail it's not really Scott law we

[1:32:22] just call it that's been called so we

[1:32:23] went out 27 times uh in 2025 year to

[1:32:28] date and

[1:32:30] uh usually we have three two or three

[1:32:33] officers working

[1:32:36] I think typically three looks like three

[1:32:39] almost every time actually um

[1:32:42] the dates and times I think that we

[1:32:44] worked in but we had 44 14 vehicles were

[1:32:47] towed. We recovered uh $218,953

[1:32:55] outstanding tickets,

[1:32:57] >> we [clears throat] spent $24,26

[1:33:00] in overtime

[1:33:01] >> 20. Oh, that's the same as you already

[1:33:04] told us that. Okay. for everyone

[1:33:07] city got back at approximately $95 back

[1:33:10] in return. The u

[1:33:15] do we expect new 127 details uh that we

[1:33:22] wanted to run. If we were to do it again

[1:33:24] next year, we got 80% coverage in 2026.

[1:33:27] If we ran 42 details and we did the same

[1:33:30] thing if we ran approximately 644

[1:33:33] vehicles, we take in approximately

[1:33:36] $340,000

[1:33:39] would cost us about $37,600.

[1:33:43] The projected net gain of $32,000

[1:33:47] as a

[1:33:48] >> where is this accounted in the revenue?

[1:33:51] Oh, so the um

[1:33:53] >> that's fine.

[1:33:54] >> The regular regular is included in the

[1:33:58] uh regular parking price.

[1:34:00] >> Yeah.

[1:34:00] >> Okay. That's

[1:34:01] >> So that's the 200,000 for

[1:34:04] [clears throat] the but I did not

[1:34:05] include any extra in the parking. So if

[1:34:08] we were to say we're doing more parking,

[1:34:10] we could uh definitely put another

[1:34:12] 100,000 in there. I would have stayed

[1:34:14] there. We would be spending another

[1:34:16] 17,000 in overtime here from what

[1:34:19] overall we expect this year in for

[1:34:23] detail. That's what

[1:34:26] >> overall we are now losing against the

[1:34:29] effort. We're gaining almost 10 time

[1:34:34] $100,000 by spending $17,000 is what is

[1:34:38] over the last two years is what he's

[1:34:41] traffic. Do you see this as something

[1:34:43] that we can do more often?

[1:34:45] >> As long as we can get the guys to go out

[1:34:47] and do it, then yes. This is something

[1:34:49] we done in the last couple years and it

[1:34:53] was

[1:34:54] over the last few years that hasn't been

[1:34:56] done

[1:34:58] consistently. Last year, uh, it started

[1:35:01] to be a little bit now where the tenant

[1:35:02] traffic is is very organized and does

[1:35:06] very good job. So now it's it's when he

[1:35:09] plans it. So what he actually does ahead

[1:35:11] of time just goes around and

[1:35:15] out there. He go finds all the vehicles

[1:35:17] that have been picked or the heaviest

[1:35:20] finds the ones that had the most the

[1:35:22] most money that are

[1:35:26] the guys that owes the most money.

[1:35:28] >> There's 27 detail.

[1:35:32] How what is the time span between that?

[1:35:35] [snorts]

[1:35:35] Six months, three months.

[1:35:37] >> Uh we did one January 9th, one January

[1:35:41] 15th. So it was from January 9th.

[1:35:44] >> Yeah. Two months.

[1:35:46] >> Two months.

[1:35:49] Now bear in mind, I just

[1:35:51] want to say this that we recogn

[1:35:55] recognized that we get 10x our effort

[1:35:58] here. But when we gave our budget

[1:36:01] request for this year, we only we only

[1:36:03] budget it. We only ask for what we

[1:36:05] develop could cover twice a month.

[1:36:08] >> So we we have to the resources that

[1:36:11] we're given, we have to balance them off

[1:36:13] really for our core mission to family

[1:36:15] life and property, not necessarily

[1:36:17] revenue generation. Of course, we'll do

[1:36:19] whatever you ask us to do. So

[1:36:21] [clears throat] if you want us to do

[1:36:22] more, we do overtime to reflect that

[1:36:25] >> so we can pay the officers. So within

[1:36:28] the period of January to February 20 27

[1:36:30] retail and you recover almost 293,000

[1:36:36] » January to [clears throat]

[1:36:40] that was that was like that was between

[1:36:41] January.

[1:36:43] >> January

[1:36:45] two per month.

[1:36:46] >> Yeah. Two per month.

[1:36:48] >> I know I was excited.

[1:36:50] >> So we did three in January, three in

[1:36:51] February, two in March, uh three in

[1:36:54] April. Oh, one in June, two in July.

[1:36:59] >> Okay.

[1:37:04] » So, so you're doing it based on

[1:37:06] availability, based on officers taking

[1:37:09] off time within that period of time.

[1:37:11] 3:00 a.m. 7 a.m.

[1:37:14] >> That's primarily time.

[1:37:15] >> That's all.

[1:37:18] >> Go ahead.

[1:37:20] It doesn't have so it has to be over

[1:37:21] time. I can't so uh officers are at the

[1:37:24] break regular shift and not I won't say

[1:37:28] in their downtime but like in between

[1:37:31] time

[1:37:31] >> so they can so our parking officers do

[1:37:33] it during the daytime when they're

[1:37:34] working that's they definitely do that

[1:37:36] our officers if they are working if they

[1:37:38] have downtime they can right now on

[1:37:41] midnights um they have an assignment

[1:37:43] where they are doing parking tickets

[1:37:44] overnight um may have gotten some

[1:37:46] complaints from that because they they

[1:37:48] [laughter] have picked up their

[1:37:49] >> Oh yes

[1:37:49] >> they have picked up their parking They

[1:37:51] are uh they are doing pretty aggressive

[1:37:55] parking and if they come across any

[1:37:56] scops they do. Uh the details are more

[1:37:58] of a targeted to get where he goes

[1:38:00] through and finds the people that have

[1:38:04] basically go through and finds him and

[1:38:06] then take a while to get they line up

[1:38:08] the tow trucks ahead of time so they're

[1:38:09] not waiting. So they're letting the

[1:38:12] truck drivers know, hey, we're doing a

[1:38:13] scout detail tonight. Can you have a

[1:38:15] couple extra drivers on drivers know hey

[1:38:18] you're doing it? And then he lines up

[1:38:19] the the tow companies and lets everybody

[1:38:21] know we're going how I'm doing it. So

[1:38:23] it's it's like a

[1:38:25] >> it's a mission.

[1:38:27] >> So it's so

[1:38:30] >> I was just going to say that there is

[1:38:32] there are some tensions to balance here.

[1:38:34] >> Right. Right. So I mean and and because

[1:38:37] I know we're seeing dollar signs and I'm

[1:38:39] like oh but I I want to be

[1:38:41] >> just be mindful that we don't want to

[1:38:43] make up our entire you know uh uh we're

[1:38:46] not trying to look at our entire deficit

[1:38:49] well force seed deficit right now on for

[1:38:51] ticketing. I think that that's a law. It can get to a point where it be where

[1:38:56] it is feels predatory on the people that

[1:38:59] live here, which then will really put

[1:39:02] our uh officers in a tough position as

[1:39:06] we're still trying to maintain and build

[1:39:08] strong community partnerships. So, we

[1:39:10] have that's something we have to keep in

[1:39:11] mind.

[1:39:12] >> So, does this priority are $300 plus?

[1:39:15] >> These are only 300 plus. We do not so

[1:39:18] far less than that.

[1:39:20] um just because that's the number you

[1:39:22] see that's how much code is. So we're

[1:39:23] not take doing that. If somebody does

[1:39:25] come out and they have they want to pay

[1:39:27] it, they can they can pay it for the

[1:39:29] card right through their through the

[1:39:31] app. They can they can do that. So we're

[1:39:33] not taking somebody's car if they they

[1:39:35] do want to pay that. and they've

[1:39:38] received uh right through the uh the

[1:39:41] formula that we can see we can see how

[1:39:43] many times in the dates that they

[1:39:45] received letters and how many contacts

[1:39:46] they've had prior so they didn't know

[1:39:48] about it. [clears throat]

[1:39:49] >> We can actually see the letter that they

[1:39:51] received and how many times. So

[1:39:53] typically, you know, it's um they got

[1:39:56] received the ticket, received a notice

[1:39:58] that it was going to double. Then it's

[1:40:01] they've typically see four or five

[1:40:03] notices before we're actually taking the

[1:40:05] car at time. So there's they've received

[1:40:07] many notices before.

[1:40:09] >> It's not we're not just it's

[1:40:11] >> showing that that detail and just taking

[1:40:16] >> people typically know that we're

[1:40:20] taking [clears throat] they don't

[1:40:20] they're not happy about it. They they don't

[1:40:23] >> and said that the benefit of getting

[1:40:26] around is pay your ticket when you get

[1:40:28] it.

[1:40:28] >> People start paying rent. So it's it's a

[1:40:30] balance and the more we do the less

[1:40:32] opportunity we'll have to be around.

[1:40:37] >> Any question

[1:40:38] for you? This is good information. Thank

[1:40:40] you.

[1:40:40] >> I thought we asked something about speed

[1:40:41] cameras, didn't we? Didn't you have

[1:40:42] something about speed cameras you was

[1:40:44] asking?

[1:40:45] >> Yeah, you had a question about that

[1:40:47] revenue and it was based on

[1:40:55] results.

[1:40:55] >> Yes, we do. So we bought I think $2.3

[1:40:58] million for the free damage.

[1:41:01] >> Yes. For the

[1:41:04] came up with that.

[1:41:06] So I just threw a dart out there and I

[1:41:08] said, "Let's go." [laughter]

[1:41:12] » For you.

[1:41:17] » So instead of me do a hand out for

[1:41:20] everybody.

[1:41:22] >> Yeah, everybody. It's the easiest way.

[1:41:25] Everybody has it. Just so this is with

[1:41:28] the help of a vendor

[1:41:30] name that I think

[1:41:33] that we had a demo with that we were

[1:41:36] thinking about using.

[1:41:37] >> Oh, okay.

[1:41:40] >> And

[1:41:41] the stats

[1:41:44] they gave us with the averages of what

[1:41:48] um

[1:41:50] the city's like powers meet. this

[1:41:54] the say that typically

[1:41:57] uh we so in the legislation that has not

[1:41:59] been signed yet. So I'm not sure if

[1:42:01] that's I have a copy of that but that

[1:42:03] has not been signed. It's made it

[1:42:06] [clears throat] through both houses but

[1:42:08] has not been signed.

[1:42:10] >> I think in there it says the city of

[1:42:13] Skenctity if approved would have 20 up

[1:42:15] to 20 zones. So the zones could be 20

[1:42:19] different ways. So the

[1:42:22] average, this is a conservative average

[1:42:26] >> for a city our size compared to what

[1:42:28] they do. They do these across the US and

[1:42:31] other countries as well, but be 400

[1:42:34] tickets per both directions per month.

[1:42:38] >> They have a the tickets are $50 if paid

[1:42:43] um for a certain amount of time and

[1:42:45] those have a 60% collection rate.

[1:42:48] >> Wow. then escalate to a $75

[1:42:53] payment and then there's a 10%

[1:42:54] collection rate on that and then there's

[1:42:56] 30% that stay uncollected or over time

[1:42:59] they slowly trickle in then so on here I

[1:43:03] put the numbers 240 40

[1:43:07] so then we this is still would be

[1:43:10] negotiation but I'm putting in their

[1:43:12] assumption of 50% of the same share that

[1:43:16] it's per direction So each direction we

[1:43:19] would have receive 6,000,500

[1:43:22] and then get 4,500 on collective which

[1:43:25] sit there and we would have discussions

[1:43:26] like on how we're going to collect that

[1:43:27] money. Um multiply that up by the point

[1:43:30] zones

[1:43:32] each direction and the nine months a

[1:43:35] year of the assumptions and that's where

[1:43:38] I'm getting this 20 2 million 2.1

[1:43:40] million 540,000 and then the 1.6 million

[1:43:44] over there

[1:43:46] and then down below was 2.6 7 for 9, 2.4

[1:43:50] for 8 if and if it didn't come right

[1:43:52] away if the legislation or the bill was

[1:43:54] not signed until later on.

[1:43:56] >> And now there is you can also run it for

[1:44:00] schools that run summer school. You can

[1:44:02] run it

[1:44:03] >> for those or any schools that have

[1:44:05] activities that are school related in

[1:44:07] the summertime. So you can run it for

[1:44:09] more months than that.

[1:44:10] >> You can or you can't

[1:44:11] >> you can Yes. Yep. You can run it year

[1:44:13] round or any any time that a school

[1:44:15] function is in place. So you can run it,

[1:44:17] but the most places

[1:44:20] I'm very conservative and I went with

[1:44:22] the assumption 9 months.

[1:44:25] >> The council mayor may decide not to go

[1:44:28] with 20 zones. We have a list of all the

[1:44:30] schools. So depending on where everybody

[1:44:32] wants to see them, you may go with not

[1:44:34] 20 zones or it may not make sense to do

[1:44:37] >> both directions. Some schools might make

[1:44:40] sense to only go one way instead of

[1:44:42] going both ways. M.

[1:44:43] >> So that's where I came up with the 2.3.

[1:44:46] I took these numbers and then I dropped

[1:44:49] them down. So just in case there was

[1:44:51] some

[1:44:53] higher than these obviously those in the

[1:44:55] papers, you know. Um but these are

[1:44:58] [clears throat] this is where the

[1:44:59] numbers started from before I was just

[1:45:02] because I don't find you guys later on

[1:45:05] that.

[1:45:06] >> Okay. So in Albany there's so I I think

[1:45:10] I remember reading that that like people

[1:45:13] were challenging the tickets and they

[1:45:15] were

[1:45:16] being successful and challenging based

[1:45:18] on how those tickets were issued. Is

[1:45:20] that like something that you're aware of

[1:45:22] that?

[1:45:23] >> So that I don't know about those as far

[1:45:25] as more like bus patrol. I know you guys

[1:45:28] questions on those as well. The bus

[1:45:29] patrol tickets those were

[1:45:31] >> Oh, I was talking about the school speed

[1:45:33] zone tickets.

[1:45:34] Yeah,

[1:45:35] >> I'm not super familiar so much with

[1:45:37] those being um tested as more as the bus

[1:45:40] controls definitely were.

[1:45:42] >> Okay. So,

[1:45:42] >> and there is a now there's been some

[1:45:44] changes to how the system works and how

[1:45:46] the certifications are and those have

[1:45:49] been worked around and although that's

[1:45:50] been fixed.

[1:45:51] >> So, [clears throat] if there was some

[1:45:53] can test something that was tested on

[1:45:55] that. I'm sure that's either fixed or if

[1:45:56] it works to be fixed. There was some uh

[1:45:59] slight things with bus control when it

[1:46:01] first came out. They needed to have a

[1:46:02] different angle and there had to be a

[1:46:04] certification

[1:46:05] >> like a plate picture on there

[1:46:07] >> and that was fixed. Luckily we were on

[1:46:10] the back end of getting it when other

[1:46:14] people were so we didn't have that that

[1:46:17] issue.

[1:46:18] >> Um so if there that was an issue I don't

[1:46:22] I'm sure that will be executed by the

[1:46:24] time we are

[1:46:25] >> cool. Go ahead.

[1:46:27] >> Thank you. You said on [clears throat]

[1:46:29] this you haven't decided how to collect

[1:46:31] these.

[1:46:33] Elaborate on that. So [clears throat]

[1:46:34] >> the the uncollected the

[1:46:36] >> Oh, the uncollect.

[1:46:37] >> So this right here is is again what kind

[1:46:39] of works like bus patrol,

[1:46:40] >> right?

[1:46:41] >> This one the the system sends the P or

[1:46:44] it can be somebody else uh video in a

[1:46:47] picture of a car.

[1:46:50] This in the legislation has to be over

[1:46:52] 10 miles an hour. So if the school speed

[1:46:55] zone is 20, it has to be at least 31

[1:46:57] miles per hour. So it can't be anything

[1:46:59] less than 10 miles per hour. So it's

[1:47:01] automatically set to 11 miles per hour.

[1:47:03] >> Okay?

[1:47:04] >> So school zones 20 or 15 whereas

[1:47:07] >> it has to be 11 miles hour before it

[1:47:10] gets triggered.

[1:47:11] >> And then there's a picture, there's the

[1:47:13] video, there's license plate, and then

[1:47:16] it gets their company reviews it. And

[1:47:18] then it gets sent to us. We we review it

[1:47:21] and then get sent to the video and the

[1:47:24] picture gets sent to the registered

[1:47:25] owner. These I believe more people are

[1:47:29] willing to pay these. It's $50 or the

[1:47:32] bus patrol tickets $250 and these are

[1:47:35] $50. So I think that's why these have a

[1:47:37] higher collection rate than some of the

[1:47:38] other ones.

[1:47:40] >> But there would you need an officer or

[1:47:42] someone to review what they what the

[1:47:44] company's done too.

[1:47:45] >> Yes. Yes. With bus patrol. That's what

[1:47:47] we're doing currently as well. So every

[1:47:49] time somebody we do those videos it uh

[1:47:52] we have to review those and then after

[1:47:54] we review it the law department if

[1:47:56] somebody says

[1:47:57] >> no

[1:47:59] testing it then the law department

[1:48:01] reviews it and then they they'll bring

[1:48:02] it to court.

[1:48:04] >> Go ahead.

[1:48:04] >> So it's a little off this but I did

[1:48:07] recently have a phone call from a

[1:48:09] resident who had received the higher

[1:48:11] ticket and basically said why were you

[1:48:15] there that's my car.

[1:48:19] etc. And I So my question is, which is

[1:48:21] not related to budget, I'm sorry. I told

[1:48:23] her to call the police department or go

[1:48:26] down to the police department and and is

[1:48:29] that was that the right advice to give

[1:48:31] this person?

[1:48:31] >> Yes. If the person thinks it's not their

[1:48:33] car, then um definitely look at it. A

[1:48:37] lot of times we get their say that

[1:48:39] there's no way that I would do something

[1:48:40] like that. And if that's the case, then

[1:48:42] we would say the law department would be

[1:48:43] the way to go. Um

[1:48:45] >> gotcha. So they would be able to there

[1:48:49] in the mail actually has a link where

[1:48:50] they can watch the video of the vehicle.

[1:48:54] >> The ticket, the video, the pictures, all

[1:48:57] sorts of things happen. But if some for

[1:48:59] some reason they say that's not my car,

[1:49:01] then that would be like okay, we could review it and we would say

[1:49:04] that's a night license plate that's not

[1:49:06] a a blue Buick

[1:49:08] >> and then we would be able to tell if

[1:49:10] there's an issue with the registration

[1:49:11] vehicle and we could take care of that.

[1:49:13] But if it's there's no way that I don't

[1:49:15] think that I actually ran through it.

[1:49:18] >> Most people 99% of the people aren't

[1:49:20] don't say that because it's it's clearly

[1:49:23] clear as that. You actually see like

[1:49:24] four angles. I think it's referring to

[1:49:26] the bus. You actually see yourself going

[1:49:28] through it.

[1:49:29] >> Um it's very it's very clear. I would

[1:49:32] say that's all part because once the

[1:49:33] ticket's issued, we can't unless it's a

[1:49:35] technical issue, we can't get rid of it.

[1:49:37] So it's

[1:49:38] >> so once the ticket is issued.

[1:49:40] >> Okay. So thank you. Um, so you said that

[1:49:43] this estimate of how much we would get.

[1:49:46] So there's room for negotiation that we

[1:49:48] could get 60% versus 50.

[1:49:50] >> There it's possible. Um, I believe that

[1:49:52] the 50 is going to probably be where it

[1:49:55] is, but we there's the potential. There

[1:49:57] is potential for that. The uh our bus

[1:50:00] patrol started off as a different rate

[1:50:04] and then we renewed after a year. uh our

[1:50:07] commissioner really beat him up and got

[1:50:09] us a better rate after one year and

[1:50:12] >> Oh, I remember that.

[1:50:13] >> Yes, we uh we are now doing much better.

[1:50:16] >> So, we have not signed obviously signed

[1:50:18] anything. It's a master service

[1:50:20] agreement. It's um we don't pay anything

[1:50:22] for the company that we currently engage

[1:50:25] with. The city pays no money with it.

[1:50:28] It's they install everything. They do

[1:50:30] everything. They collect some money. Um,

[1:50:33] but there was no cost to us, but there

[1:50:36] would be a negotiation phase to it. So,

[1:50:40] >> does that mean I can increase this to

[1:50:41] 400,000?

[1:50:43] [laughter]

[1:50:45] >> I would say if uh if anybody knows the

[1:50:47] governor, if you want to call her, have

[1:50:48] her sign the right way in. I know soon

[1:50:51] as she soon as we do get it put in,

[1:50:53] obviously we want to do a uh a campaign

[1:50:56] right away to advise everybody, right?

[1:50:58] That's definitely the the right way to

[1:51:00] do it is to we can even they starting

[1:51:03] sooner than later to put it out say

[1:51:06] these are coming just uh once she signs

[1:51:09] it I believe it's following month that

[1:51:11] they can start putting them out I think

[1:51:12] is how the the law works

[1:51:15] >> and I think they can get them in between

[1:51:16] like 7 to 14 days if we were to go into

[1:51:18] certain company and everybody agreed

[1:51:21] that contract is signed they go pretty

[1:51:23] quick but they definitely want to do a

[1:51:27] at least a month or several weeks of a campaign, let people know what's

[1:51:30] happening because

[1:51:32] stick them out there, right? Products,

[1:51:35] but they do do a like a mailing out

[1:51:38] campaign. So, it's it can be however

[1:51:41] long it's decided where they'll get like

[1:51:43] a warning for a certain amount of time,

[1:51:45] they'll get to actually get warning to

[1:51:48] say, you know, you're speeding and

[1:51:51] >> slow down.

[1:51:54] Go ahead. So, do you can you get the

[1:51:57] legislative the number of Oh, you have

[1:51:59] it. Thank you. Because I [clears throat]

[1:52:01] >> like to follow up on this.

[1:52:03] >> Here are two copies.

[1:52:06] >> Thank you.

[1:52:09] [clears throat]

[1:52:10] >> Are there any other questions?

[1:52:15] » Well, in terms of the funding, this is

[1:52:17] the detail is categorized under the

[1:52:20] >> on revenue. Yes. So 610 AMD

[1:52:25] approximately the [clears throat]

[1:52:26] >> do you have where where would this fall

[1:52:29] or you

[1:52:31] own its own mine? I believe he I believe

[1:52:34] commissioner

[1:52:36] >> you talking about

[1:52:37] >> this this detail recovered 219,000 but

[1:52:41] it's not in

[1:52:46] that

[1:52:48] 26 2610

[1:52:51] >> B okay

[1:52:59] 2610

[1:53:01] >> [clears throat]

[1:53:03] >> Okay,

[1:53:04] I got a question for the chief.

[1:53:07] >> Well,

[1:53:08] um I think that I I think he probably

[1:53:11] had to have to leave, but Mr. Williams

[1:53:13] had asked about a couple of the capital

[1:53:16] budget pieces,

[1:53:19] >> right? I think of the green.

[1:53:23] >> It was answered.

[1:53:25] >> Oh, this is an old I thought this we

[1:53:27] just had this tonight.

[1:53:29] I think the name October 22nd is the

[1:53:32] date from the school

[1:53:35] tonight.

[1:53:36] >> Yeah.

[1:53:38] >> So he

[1:53:40] um two of his recommendations and I know

[1:53:43] we had the discussion already about the

[1:53:44] capital fund. Uh the capital budget

[1:53:47] doesn't affect our what we're looking

[1:53:49] for here but it would affect us next

[1:53:51] year. So I think it's worth um trying to

[1:53:54] ask the questions. And so on his behalf,

[1:53:57] um he's wondering um about removing from

[1:54:02] the police department half of the

[1:54:03] vehicle allocations as well as um

[1:54:07] removing department evidence storage

[1:54:10] solutions. Um so that would be 273k for

[1:54:13] the first two gay. Um so would you like

[1:54:18] to talk about what impact that would

[1:54:20] have if we were to um try to reduce the

[1:54:24] capital budget by

[1:54:26] >> so I'll start off with the evidence um

[1:54:29] that one I've actually tried to apply

[1:54:31] for grant in the past um that one right

[1:54:34] now we have station

[1:54:39] to um that are in and out is full so

[1:54:44] we're supposed to be pulling policy says

[1:54:46] we're actually pulling the salt by the

[1:54:49] prisoners in and out

[1:54:51] >> and we can't because it is full of uh we

[1:54:55] have over bikes. We have

[1:54:59] um our deliveries and other items coming

[1:55:02] inside of there. So, we have no room in

[1:55:05] there because where we were supposed to

[1:55:06] keep that stuff is full evidence. So

[1:55:09] down in the parking lot uh right bro is

[1:55:13] completely full of evidence and our

[1:55:15] basement is completely full of evidence

[1:55:17] and we have absolutely no room left for

[1:55:20] it.

[1:55:21] >> Okay.

[1:55:21] >> Um and besides that

[1:55:23] >> besides that we actually uh we have 10

[1:55:26] freezers in our basement that uh is

[1:55:29] currently they're overheated and we're

[1:55:32] getting them worked on regularly because

[1:55:34] we don't have any track in that room in

[1:55:36] the building. We wanted to I thought we

[1:55:39] were going to do a bigger project, but I

[1:55:40] think that's future years that's going

[1:55:42] to be extremely expensive,

[1:55:44] >> right?

[1:55:44] >> So, I did not ask uh for a $30,000

[1:55:48] um HVAC mini smaller project that we had

[1:55:51] quote for last year to get uh air

[1:55:54] conditioning air venting in

[1:55:58] our freezing with water. And though all

[1:56:01] our freezers are full, so we need

[1:56:03] freezer space. Um, unfortunately, we're out of it. So, we have to buy it.

[1:56:07] We had to buy another freezer and we

[1:56:09] don't have a place to put it. So,

[1:56:11] $10,000.

[1:56:12] >> So, long story short is we that is the

[1:56:15] most crucial thing of anything.

[1:56:16] Obviously, we can talk about the other

[1:56:18] things, but we are chucked out of space

[1:56:20] and we we need we need space very badly.

[1:56:24] >> One of the reasons for that is that

[1:56:26] state changed the detention rates that

[1:56:28] we had to. So, now we can't get rid of

[1:56:30] evidence.

[1:56:30] >> Yeah. We got into

[1:56:33] one was unfunded mandates where they

[1:56:35] have to keep these for 30 years now and

[1:56:37] >> 30 years.

[1:56:39] >> We [clears throat] gave up our break

[1:56:40] room for store evidence. We just keep

[1:56:42] losing space in our building store

[1:56:44] evidence that has to be stored for

[1:56:47] upwards of 30 years and she just me but

[1:56:51] we budgeted we budgeted higher than

[1:56:53] 50,000 ready to cut it down.

[1:56:56] >> Yes. We asked for uh we asked for we

[1:57:00] asked for uh for storage freezer and

[1:57:04] training and it got cut from the 700

[1:57:07] down to the free spot for now so you can

[1:57:10] move some stuff around. So it moves down

[1:57:12] to down to the bar

[1:57:15] like and obviously next year we coming

[1:57:17] back and asking for

[1:57:19] other

[1:57:20] >> and then the other well just to finish

[1:57:23] the other one that Mr. Williams was

[1:57:25] asking about was half the vehicle

[1:57:27] obligations as well. I highly

[1:57:30] >> Yes. Well, obviously we we don't want

[1:57:32] to, but if that's a decision that um

[1:57:34] there is, then we would just do that.

[1:57:36] Right now, that was cut down from the

[1:57:38] initial uh we had asked for

[1:57:42] >> 13 I think that's down to nine, I think.

[1:57:44] So, that's one parking vehicle, three

[1:57:46] patrol vehicles, and four detected

[1:57:48] vehicles. One evidence down. Oh,

[1:57:51] >> I'm sorry. Yeah, one evidence. Yes. So,

[1:57:53] that's If we had to do that, then we

[1:57:56] would we would make do with do that. So,

[1:57:58] whatever.

[1:57:59] >> The danger with that is we're talking

[1:58:02] the ability to buy cars next March or

[1:58:04] next May, and it's usually about a

[1:58:07] one-year process from getting it and

[1:58:09] getting it upfitted before it hits the

[1:58:10] streets. The ones that were approved

[1:58:12] that we purchased this past May, we

[1:58:14] haven't even gotten them yet.

[1:58:16] >> Yeah. One today, actually, yesterday.

[1:58:18] >> Or was that from the year before? That

[1:58:19] was from the year before. So, May of 24.

[1:58:23] Mhm.

[1:58:23] >> We haven't gotten those colors yet. So,

[1:58:25] there's always that.

[1:58:30] » So, I'm going to finish up the shipping.

[1:58:34] I have a shipping container. Is that is

[1:58:36] that essential to buy from people to

[1:58:39] make

[1:58:40] >> like that's in the capital

[1:58:45] anywhere? So we're actually from

[1:58:47] speaking to the mayor either locate them

[1:58:50] in an area of our parking lot that's

[1:58:52] currently grass a grassy null or

[1:58:55] potentially put them on top of the

[1:58:57] police department because there's a flat

[1:58:58] roof that can wait stand that way just

[1:59:01] looking for space to utilize in l of

[1:59:04] building a building or buying a building

[1:59:07] putting on top of the building that

[1:59:09] would be it we we haven't gone through

[1:59:12] that vetting process yet. thick. Yes,

[1:59:14] it's 40 ft by 8 ft and it would be this

[1:59:17] a full freezer. It' be a a freezer by 8

[1:59:21] by40 freezer

[1:59:22] >> which is more efficient than running 10

[1:59:24] individual commercial

[1:59:26] >> you use less power. It's an investment.

[1:59:28] It's a lower cost time.

[1:59:31] >> Go ahead.

[1:59:32] >> Thank you. And the important of this

[1:59:34] importance of this for cold cases DNA

[1:59:36] everything to save kids things like

[1:59:39] [laughter] that

[1:59:42] for sure.

[1:59:42] >> Yeah. Right.

[1:59:45] So, um, so with the vehicle questions

[1:59:47] like in 2020 when we're putting our 2025

[1:59:50] budget together, there was a request for

[1:59:52] two SUVs, three hybrid sedans, and a

[1:59:56] hybrid van.

[1:59:57] >> Yes.

[1:59:57] So, none of those two say we

[2:00:02] received this point. Y so on those um so

[2:00:05] what did we so what were the uh what

[2:00:09] were the what did we actually

[2:00:10] >> yes you in 20 for the 2025 budget two

[2:00:13] SUVs

[2:00:14] >> y

[2:00:14] >> three hybrid sedans

[2:00:16] >> y

[2:00:16] >> and three hybrid vans

[2:00:18] >> we received some of them so the three

[2:00:20] hybrids uh those are on the quarter and three

[2:00:27] hybrid sedan sedans we actually went

[2:00:29] with um EVs and we sold one of those

[2:00:32] today and the other two are on order.

[2:00:34] And then the two SUVs,

[2:00:36] um, we looked to order one of those, uh,

[2:00:40] get the mini bid back the other day, but

[2:00:42] it's not pull the trigger on it. And the

[2:00:44] other one, um,

[2:00:46] I don't think we worked that yet.

[2:00:48] [clears throat]

[2:00:50] >> So, with the hybrids, is that going to

[2:00:51] be an increased cost? Uh, excuse me,

[2:00:53] with the EV, is it going to be increase

[2:00:55] instead of just a hybrid versus a

[2:00:57] straight EV is what you said that you

[2:00:59] ordered instead of

[2:01:00] >> No. So no, there's the same we we stay

[2:01:03] within the within the capital within the

[2:01:04] budget. Now everything's been within

[2:01:06] those within the lines.

[2:01:09] >> So now in the 20 for the 2026 budget,

[2:01:11] it's saying we just need three moreish.

[2:01:15] >> So

[2:01:15] >> yes,

[2:01:16] >> a total of five in the last

[2:01:18] >> Yes.

[2:01:18] >> two years to replace to

[2:01:20] >> Yeah. to replace. Yes. So we had we the

[2:01:24] SUVs that are patrol cars, our frontline

[2:01:26] cars. So those are the ones that to skip

[2:01:30] fortunately those are beat up pretty

[2:01:32] heavily. So the ones that patrol those

[2:01:34] are the ones that need to be those are

[2:01:35] hybrids to the SUVs.

[2:01:38] The uh patrol interceptors they're all

[2:01:40] those end up getting rid of our chargers

[2:01:43] that we had. Those are back from

[2:01:46] >> 2020 maybe or 2019 I think is our oldest

[2:01:48] one we have now. So those are all

[2:01:50] getting phased out. Our old ones are

[2:01:51] down on phosph getting auctioned off.

[2:01:54] Oh, that's my next question. What

[2:01:56] happens?

[2:01:57] >> We every time we get auctioned off, if

[2:01:59] there's something that's semidecent, in

[2:02:02] fact, we have all of the other

[2:02:05] departments, they aren't interested

[2:02:07] because they're

[2:02:12] so everything that we have is

[2:02:16] an accident.

[2:02:19] Don't say that money goes

[2:02:21] >> money goes back into the revenue and not

[2:02:23] our budget but there's a line general

[2:02:27] and I think

[2:02:28] >> no general and the uh there's a line

[2:02:31] that's sale of vehicles.

[2:02:34] >> Yeah, I see one. So you mentioned about

[2:02:37] um parking with some of the people

[2:02:41] can we send people action not to the

[2:02:44] parks department because of the only

[2:02:47] from about 8 in the morning or 7 to 5.

[2:02:50] >> So we did do that. That's typically what

[2:02:51] we do do is we bring them is uh right

[2:02:54] now actually we did do that with one of

[2:02:56] our our last vehicles that was moved

[2:02:58] forward to parking. So we have two I'm

[2:03:00] sorry right now we have three vehicles

[2:03:02] parking I believe [clears throat] that

[2:03:03] were old vehicles and the other one is a

[2:03:05] an EV uh that we had. It was a Chevy

[2:03:09] Bolt and the plan was to buy a Chevy

[2:03:11] Bolt for next [clears throat] year. The

[2:03:14] one of the vehicles in parking is just

[2:03:17] uh I think it's pretty much fall apart.

[2:03:22] I I think the conversation about the

[2:03:23] capital budget when we did this a day or

[2:03:27] two, it was more of um can we hold up on

[2:03:33] capital spending because of the

[2:03:35] situation we

[2:03:37] facing a a budget a proposed budget of

[2:03:40] 17%. And then fees on top of that and

[2:03:44] then this is not going to affect the

[2:03:46] budget. We're borrowing money, but we

[2:03:48] have to we have taxpayers going to have

[2:03:50] to pay for this in 2027. [clears throat]

[2:03:53] That's more borrowing than them already.

[2:03:54] Now, we're pushing that into next year.

[2:03:56] >> So, that was open discussion a couple

[2:03:58] days ago in terms of can we put these

[2:04:01] up? I would say that that you can I

[2:04:04] would just say that you know I just my

[2:04:06] only thing would be in the future you

[2:04:08] know I might come back and say that we

[2:04:10] need vehicles and I just don't want to I

[2:04:12] don't want to keep kicking the can too

[2:04:13] far down the road but absolutely you

[2:04:15] know what the council decides that then

[2:04:17] we will live with whatever the council

[2:04:19] decides the the [clears throat] evidence

[2:04:21] I wouldn't do that

[2:04:23] >> ask you to strongly consider not cutting

[2:04:26] that one

[2:04:26] >> um but the vehicles if you had to cut

[2:04:28] that in half I would say that we will we

[2:04:31] will deal with whatever you guys have to do to do a service for the city.

[2:04:37] >> So right now you have three SUVs, four

[2:04:40] unmarked. So are you saying

[2:04:43] I'll say two and two unmarked and could

[2:04:47] you and then you still want the parking?

[2:04:49] >> I would love to have they are they

[2:04:51] [clears throat] do a very good job for

[2:04:53] us and that's actually the cheapest

[2:04:54] vehicle we buy and we actually made team

[2:04:59] on that. So, [clears throat] uh, it

[2:05:00] would actually be be pretty pretty

[2:05:02] reasonable

[2:05:02] >> price to keep it

[2:05:05] right.

[2:05:09] » Thank you.

[2:05:11] for holding that up. Yeah,

[2:05:13] because you know it's good that we had

[2:05:14] >> Oh, I saw this memo. Thank you.

[2:05:16] >> From Carl from Mr. Williams.

[2:05:19] >> Yes.

[2:05:19] >> About the discussion and things about

[2:05:21] it. That's what the whole center

[2:05:23] discussion about the U capital budget is

[2:05:26] because of um

[2:05:28] >> we need to get out of where we are right

[2:05:30] now

[2:05:31] >> and then we need to find a recovery of

[2:05:34] how we move forward in the seven.

[2:05:37] >> Any other question on this part?

[2:05:40] >> So I don't want to continue going but

[2:05:42] there are two more questions that was

[2:05:43] asked of me. So

[2:05:45] >> I don't want I don't want to miss out

[2:05:46] and have to come back. [laughter]

[2:05:49] you wanted to know about going into or

[2:05:51] somebody that's

[2:05:53] >> Yeah. Yeah. So the question was I just

[2:05:55] noticed that I got to see what line

[2:05:59] >> but it doubled.

[2:06:00] >> Yeah.

[2:06:01] >> The question was that it doubled and I

[2:06:03] was thinking and I was just trying to

[2:06:05] figure out that's line

[2:06:08] >> a 1789

[2:06:10] >> and a

[2:06:10] >> and and and a so I was just trying to

[2:06:13] figure out

[2:06:15] >> why how did we get to doubling? So we

[2:06:18] were asked to come up with a way to

[2:06:20] increase revenues

[2:06:22] months ago and that was just one

[2:06:24] >> good answer. Oh [laughter]

[2:06:28] » we we did renegotiate which

[2:06:32] responsibilities

[2:06:38] charge the people that are actually the

[2:06:40] total numbers

[2:06:41] >> the contract

[2:06:43] year or two ago.

[2:06:44] >> Yes.

[2:06:45] >> So that is kicking in this year. already

[2:06:51] » said the administrative.

[2:06:54] >> So who is that? Who is that? It absorbs

[2:06:57] that the caller is the people who are um

[2:07:02] getting their car because it's divided

[2:07:04] between the two of them

[2:07:07] typically [clears throat]

[2:07:11] but typically it's it's on insurance

[2:07:12] calls.

[2:07:14] >> Okay. So accidents I understand.

[2:07:17] However, if someone's getting their

[2:07:18] parts because of the license

[2:07:22] and so on, those double C's app.

[2:07:25] >> Yes. Police request. Yes.

[2:07:28] >> Well, okay. If it's a parking violation,

[2:07:31] I guess it would be, right?

[2:07:34] >> Or or if you're cop registration or

[2:07:38] license,

[2:07:39] you can't get somebody to take the time.

[2:07:43] If it's a police request

[2:07:48] drive,

[2:07:53] » I think we're talking $35 or $70.

[2:07:56] >> Yes. Yes.

[2:08:00] » Um well, can I go further with that? So

[2:08:04] what you if you're including the port

[2:08:06] for the to the um to amounts

[2:08:11] those search charges only for the

[2:08:13] administrator it didn't include the

[2:08:15] impound lot is a totally separate thing.

[2:08:18] So how so I understand how we get to the

[2:08:20] search charge for the towing but the

[2:08:23] impound lot is that is it our lot is it somebody else's lot right?

[2:08:27] >> Yes. So right now uh they can char the

[2:08:29] tow companies charge up to $200 for a

[2:08:31] toe and the third the city gets $35 per

[2:08:34] toe and then the impound lot they the

[2:08:37] tow companies take them back and tow

[2:08:40] there and they get 70 up to $75 per day.

[2:08:43] City gets $10 per day. So we would

[2:08:45] double that to $20 per day and double

[2:08:47] the amount of money.

[2:08:48] >> Oh. So we're only d we're not doubling

[2:08:50] the fee for the lot. That 75 doesn't

[2:08:52] become 50.

[2:08:53] >> Correct. Correct.

[2:08:54] >> But 10 becomes 20. So, and we think it

[2:08:56] we could either tell them that we want

[2:08:58] to keep and take money from the tow

[2:09:00] company or negotiate that or say it

[2:09:01] wants to be $85 and then you just add

[2:09:04] $10 on that. [clears throat]

[2:09:06] >> Okay.

[2:09:09] >> I thought they Isn't there like a limit

[2:09:11] that they can charge per day like state

[2:09:13] law or something like that? Like they

[2:09:14] can't No, that so that

[2:09:18] >> Okay. Okay. I thought

[2:09:22] » but either way $10 and Okay.

[2:09:28] I'm sorry again. I'm just looking at

[2:09:30] Australian sheet and there was one other

[2:09:32] one is which is the uh it's 3120 a

[2:09:38] 312402

[2:09:41] um

[2:09:43] and it I think he's looking at the um

[2:09:46] public safety foundation which in this

[2:09:49] budget for 2026 is at 10,000 instead of

[2:09:53] the 25,000 that we used to have. Um

[2:09:56] because I don't understand I guess I'm

[2:09:59] not really understanding Mr. Williams is

[2:10:01] um

[2:10:02] >> yeah he's looking at the actual we have

[2:10:04] outstanding invoices

[2:10:06] the public safety commission on

[2:10:11] the one in the park

[2:10:15] of all the invoice being

[2:10:17] >> yes

[2:10:18] >> today

[2:10:20] um I believe they all have um for that

[2:10:23] event and all the events everything what

[2:10:25] we have not done uh after anyone was

[2:10:29] done with the

[2:10:30] You have I say Halloween.

[2:10:32] >> Yeah, that's coming up.

[2:10:34] >> We did not do the

[2:10:39] » don't

[2:10:42] » and we did not do there's several ones

[2:10:45] that we did not do obviously not paid

[2:10:47] for towards the end of the year when the

[2:10:50] budget the last couple months uh just

[2:10:53] the budget started getting or the budget

[2:10:55] was getting

[2:10:55] >> a little tighter. We just

[2:10:58] >> we didn't we didn't try to consult we

[2:11:02] were

[2:11:04] >> okay you know what I'm asking I was the

[2:11:05] wrong it was the wrong line um Mr.

[2:11:08] Williams,

[2:11:08] >> he is asking to reduce that line.

[2:11:10] >> Yeah, he's asking also

[2:11:12] >> he said, but I said the wrong one.

[2:11:16] >> He's asking for

[2:11:17] >> reducing less%.

[2:11:20] >> I said the wrong one, but

[2:11:21] >> yeah,

[2:11:22] >> he go ahead.

[2:11:25] >> He he because I couldn't figure it out

[2:11:26] myself, but I gave you the wrong. It's

[2:11:28] 402, not 40. I was talking about 402b,

[2:11:31] the public safety foundation, but

[2:11:32] actually Mr. Williams's question is

[2:11:35] about the administrative expense. 312402

[2:11:39] which the budget um I mean year to date

[2:11:44] we've spent um only 48

[2:11:47] uh 48% of it 48.7K

[2:11:51] um and in the 2026 budget um it's being

[2:11:57] reduced

[2:12:00] » it's not u it's not being reduced and so

[2:12:04] I think I think I don't want to put

[2:12:05] words into his mouth

[2:12:07] So from from the 2025 adopted to the

[2:12:10] 2026 proposed is being reduced by 700

[2:12:14] >> 11 1,700.

[2:12:16] >> Yes. 1,700.

[2:12:18] So Mr. Williams is asking that we reduce

[2:12:21] another 25%.

[2:12:22] >> Oh, okay.

[2:12:24] >> Okay. I wasn't sure what his note was.

[2:12:27] Okay. So he's suggesting reducing it an

[2:12:30] additional 25,000

[2:12:31] >> based on So I want to get your your

[2:12:33] thought on that as well. Does the admin

[2:12:36] expense?

[2:12:36] >> Yes.

[2:12:38] >> So there's it was 25. We we we proposed

[2:12:42] 107500.

[2:12:46] » I gave you the wrong one. I'm sorry. 402

[2:12:50] not 40 to um A, B, or C. want to have

[2:12:53] this

[2:12:56] or two here.

[2:12:58] >> I I'm getting so

[2:13:01] >> it's really the regular administrative

[2:13:02] expense that Mr. Williams is Mr.

[2:13:05] Williams is saying perhaps we could

[2:13:08] reduce

[2:13:09] >> $10,000. Correct.

[2:13:11] >> Yes. He's suggesting reducing it by

[2:13:13] $25,000.

[2:13:15] And I think that he's saying that

[2:13:17] because year to date, which I know these

[2:13:20] are don't have all our figures in, but

[2:13:23] year to date

[2:13:25] >> 48.7.

[2:13:26] >> Yeah, we're only at 48.7.

[2:13:30] So, but again, maybe it's the last maybe

[2:13:33] it's because the last quarter

[2:13:35] >> many of the contracts get renewed, John.

[2:13:38] So, I know we just contracts when

[2:13:40] they're

[2:13:40] >> just moved from our copy release. We

[2:13:43] just signed um couple days ago. So, I

[2:13:47] got to find out what that is. Um I can

[2:13:50] tell you that historically, but I'm not

[2:13:52] sure if this is still practice, but

[2:13:53] Commissioner Ferrari had us buy some

[2:13:56] supplies at the end of the year, and

[2:13:58] that was that would be common practice

[2:14:01] prior to the beginning of the year

[2:14:03] because we had a surplus. I don't know

[2:14:05] that I'm going right now.

[2:14:07] >> Original request of 1234 was not there,

[2:14:10] but

[2:14:10] >> Oh, okay.

[2:14:12] >> But um I can see exactly what we had

[2:14:17] coming up due for that.

[2:14:21] » A big one.

[2:14:22] >> That was that's our supply.

[2:14:26] >> Yes. So on on administrative?

[2:14:29] >> No, that's that's our supply.

[2:14:32] This is our guardian software

[2:14:36] or not guardian software. Um

[2:14:39] our air strike on the engine will

[2:14:44] destruction of drugs

[2:14:50] reimbursements

[2:14:53] shredded.

[2:14:57] So I can back to that when I actually

[2:15:00] see what we've spent out of that to see

[2:15:02] more detail and see

[2:15:04] [clears throat and cough]

[2:15:05] what kind of effect that would have on

[2:15:06] us.

[2:15:07] >> Okay. Thank you again. I'm Mr. Williams.

[2:15:10] Thanks you [laughter]

[2:15:13] >> October. October

[2:15:16] >> October

[2:15:17] >> September. Yeah. No, I guess

[2:15:27] >> any other questions.

[2:15:29] >> Was one more on my sheet?

[2:15:31] >> Oh, there. Okay, just so everybody had

[2:15:35] to be asking about bus control.

[2:15:38] >> U bus patrol was not reducing the

[2:15:40] numbers.

[2:15:42] >> Um reduced by 200,000 from last year

[2:15:46] this year.

[2:15:47] >> So the answer to put in mind what we

[2:15:50] actually received. So this year to date

[2:15:53] uh as of uh the end of September we are

[2:15:58] at 249

[2:16:01] it's called $250,000

[2:16:04] and

[2:16:06] um we renegotiated

[2:16:09] it with 300 July. So now we feel that

[2:16:13] 400,000 is an actual number compared to

[2:16:17] 600,000.

[2:16:18] The renegotiation made it so that during

[2:16:22] the summer months there there used to be

[2:16:23] a technology fee. We no longer have to

[2:16:25] pay that which was eating up all the

[2:16:28] revenue that we had throughout the

[2:16:29] summer months.

[2:16:30] >> And our source technology feed is cut in

[2:16:33] half throughout the rest of the year. So

[2:16:34] that really um saved us about $200,000 a

[2:16:38] year automatically u without

[2:16:42] fees a little bit different now. And I

[2:16:45] know that we have a lot of unlected

[2:16:47] funds.

[2:16:48] Um we also owed 955,000 well 955,000

[2:16:54] uncollected funds there and we're owed

[2:16:56] about 60% of that as well. So there's

[2:16:58] about $600,000 of uncollected funds out

[2:17:01] there and cost. How much is that?

[2:17:06] >> Uh about $600,000 $50 million out there.

[2:17:08] About $600,000. So, we have currently

[2:17:12] $250,000

[2:17:13] actual.

[2:17:14] >> Yeah.

[2:17:15] >> Receive.

[2:17:16] >> Yeah. 2 $250.

[2:17:17] >> $600,000 outstanding.

[2:17:19] >> Mhm. [clears throat]

[2:17:20] >> That's over the last two years.

[2:17:22] >> Um outstanding. Currently in the last

[2:17:24] year, right now we have $147,000.

[2:17:30] That's

[2:17:32] we're about to

[2:17:35] depending on it

[2:17:37] 50% or a lot of involved and they go

[2:17:41] through

[2:17:44] on it that would be 60%.

[2:17:47] So it's at a minimum 50%. Uh 2271 to 360

[2:17:52] days 147,000

[2:17:55] 181 to 270 is 178,000.

[2:18:00] 90

[2:18:02] [clears throat]

[2:18:03] less than 90 days is 90,000. Those are

[2:18:07] uncontested unplayed tickets. We have uh

[2:18:12] people that have contested it and

[2:18:14] they've lost and that is $10,000. So

[2:18:18] that's we have $5,000.

[2:18:21] >> What revenue revenue line is that?

[2:18:23] >> That's

[2:18:25] 26.

[2:18:26] >> Okay. So if we

[2:18:28] actual it's 250,000 and that is like

[2:18:32] current or September

[2:18:34] >> that's current that's as of uh today I

[2:18:37] just got the end of number sorry that's

[2:18:39] through September 30th

[2:18:40] >> through September 30th I don't have

[2:18:43] I usually like between around October

[2:18:45] 10th I'll have the numbers through

[2:18:47] October.

[2:18:47] >> So look at current for September and

[2:18:49] look at how much you have outstanding

[2:18:51] $600,000 that

[2:18:53] >> that's 356

[2:18:54] >> that is due to

[2:18:56] What's three?

[2:18:57] >> Are they any recovery efforts in terms

[2:19:00] of us rather than the law department?

[2:19:01] But

[2:19:02] >> right now, uh the law department I

[2:19:04] believe is working they're working on

[2:19:05] getting [clears throat]

[2:19:07] I believe they're working on getting

[2:19:08] something.

[2:19:09] >> Yeah, we're working on it. But by the

[2:19:10] same token, it's $200,000. These are not

[2:19:13] parking tickets.

[2:19:14] >> Yes.

[2:19:15] >> And these the [clears throat] I think

[2:19:17] the police department will will say that

[2:19:19] people who are getting these tickets are

[2:19:21] contesting these tickets. These are not

[2:19:23] $50 tickets. These are, you know, you go

[2:19:25] on a certain day of the week and there's

[2:19:28] bus patrol tickets going on that we're

[2:19:30] prosecuting. So you I think that there's

[2:19:33] figures that the police department has

[2:19:35] provided are figures to go by in light

[2:19:39] of the fact that we have to deal with,

[2:19:42] you know, people who are contesting

[2:19:44] these tickets. As the chief said, $50 is different from $200. $200.

[2:19:51] You know, it's an incentive for people

[2:19:53] to contest a ticket if they feel that

[2:19:55] they have been

[2:19:58] wrong. And also,

[2:20:01] this is not where, you know, we're

[2:20:03] talking about parking. You're talking

[2:20:04] about parking tickets about going to

[2:20:05] DMV. These aren't being lean these don't

[2:20:09] impact and this is probably you know a

[2:20:11] deficit in the legislation that these

[2:20:15] tickets these unpaid tickets are not

[2:20:17] [clears throat] impacting the vehicle

[2:20:18] when people go to register. Oh,

[2:20:21] >> do you? So that's, you know, if that was

[2:20:23] me referred to DMV unpaid

[2:20:27] >> tickets,

[2:20:29] >> then people would when the registrations

[2:20:31] would come up, they would see all these

[2:20:32] tickets on the because the tickets

[2:20:35] aren't to the person, they're to the

[2:20:36] vehicle.

[2:20:37] >> Right. Right.

[2:20:37] >> This is a lot of work for a lot of

[2:20:39] >> This is a huge This is You should be up

[2:20:42] there because we've got people

[2:20:43] contesting it. We show people the video.

[2:20:46] We talked to the people beforehand. We

[2:20:48] That's on pre-trial day. And then even

[2:20:50] after that we have to then go to trial

[2:20:53] with you know with the with witnesses

[2:20:55] and documentation. So I think the

[2:20:58] figures that the police department are

[2:21:00] giving you are realistic figures and

[2:21:04] that you know there's a broader issue

[2:21:06] about bus you know you know bus control

[2:21:09] you know tickets as far as getting that

[2:21:12] revenue that's for UNC you know those tickets where people default if

[2:21:18] you will in terms of percentage of

[2:21:21] people getting control of it.

[2:21:23] >> Um I I can only give you that off hand.

[2:21:25] I mean I can't

[2:21:26] >> I mean over the last several months

[2:21:29] >> I I I'll have to look at I can't give

[2:21:31] that figure to you right off hand. I'll

[2:21:34] talk to the staff in our office who

[2:21:36] prosecutes the tickets

[2:21:38] >> if you don't mind because we we would

[2:21:39] like to look at that to kind of

[2:21:41] >> gauge oursel in terms of what is being

[2:21:44] contested ticket

[2:21:47] boss patrol and how much are being tr

[2:21:50] how much are being challenged because

[2:21:52] it's it's it is you know we're talking

[2:21:55] about you know you know the amount of

[2:21:57] you know there's there's police time on

[2:21:59] these tickets and there's corporation

[2:22:02] count time on these

[2:22:03] as well as so um just managing

[2:22:07] expectations.

[2:22:08] [laughter]

[2:22:09] >> So in those cases where people are

[2:22:11] contesting

[2:22:13] >> usually aren't they offered like

[2:22:16] reduction

[2:22:17] >> the trouble is is that it doesn't we're

[2:22:20] this is we have no wiggle room

[2:22:22] >> understood okay I got you

[2:22:24] >> there's no wiggle room

[2:22:25] >> I understand

[2:22:27] >> so Mr. Can I [clears throat] just ask a

[2:22:29] question? So, basically, just to get

[2:22:31] back to it,

[2:22:32] >> the $400,000 is a realistic number. Yes.

[2:22:35] >> And we should not cover that.

[2:22:36] >> I mean, the 4,000 is a is a realistic

[2:22:39] number. And I would say that I will keep

[2:22:42] an eye on it. If for some reason it

[2:22:44] starts to like we're we are seeing an

[2:22:46] increase now with the new contracts

[2:22:49] and it was going great. I would have

[2:22:51] come with you next year and say hey you

[2:22:52] know

[2:22:52] >> a million

[2:22:54] [laughter]

[2:22:55] say you know happen to the year say hey

[2:22:57] if there's something else you guys want

[2:22:58] to do there's you know where's an extra

[2:23:00] we might we have $500,000 an extra

[2:23:02] $100,000 to do something with but I

[2:23:04] would say I would keep I would keep

[2:23:05] >> we would I would keep $400,000

[2:23:08] >> did you uh did you factor in the

[2:23:09] uncollected into this $400

[2:23:11] >> I did not include any uncollected into

[2:23:13] that should put an estimate towards that

[2:23:16] because I'm sure you're going to collect

[2:23:18] it over the years They right now I don't

[2:23:22] know how about this to go about the

[2:23:24] unclected and right now the bus patrol

[2:23:26] is in talk about how they're going to do

[2:23:30] the unclected. I think there's um

[2:23:34] possibly they might be changing the way

[2:23:36] the ticket process is working so that

[2:23:38] they might be able to do a simple um a

[2:23:41] different process possibly or um the law

[2:23:45] department they have to contest and they

[2:23:47] have to they have it's a lot in order to

[2:23:50] get a judgment um it's a lot of work

[2:23:56] >> because it's a lot of signing $600,000

[2:23:59] does this does

[2:24:01] um S charge added to this.

[2:24:03] >> There's no right now 250 and that's it.

[2:24:05] >> This is there's no there's no

[2:24:07] legislation right now. So in the future

[2:24:10] there's potentially we could come to you

[2:24:12] and there's a process in place to say to

[2:24:15] add legislation to this. I don't

[2:24:18] actually I don't know if that's even

[2:24:19] possible but it's it's a state law. It's

[2:24:22] a state law.

[2:24:24] 200 hours and

[2:24:27] >> that's why you can't there's no room for

[2:24:28] negotiations.

[2:24:30] >> Yeah, because I'm looking at it. I mean,

[2:24:31] you have all standing just for the

[2:24:33] company parking. We're making an

[2:24:35] estimate. So, we're going to collect X

[2:24:37] amounts over the next year. I mean, we

[2:24:39] should look at this as a potential

[2:24:42] revenue against the outstanding tickets.

[2:24:45] [clears throat]

[2:24:45] >> Yeah. I mean,

[2:24:46] >> so I think we can't just leave that

[2:24:48] zero. We definitely going to get some

[2:24:51] >> there going to be some payments against

[2:24:53] the understanding.

[2:24:54] >> Yeah, there will be some. I just don't

[2:24:56] know.

[2:24:56] >> Yeah, I think we just need to make a

[2:24:58] good estimated

[2:25:00] >> because

[2:25:02] which line are you talking

[2:25:05] >> but but they just said that they thought

[2:25:07] that 400,000 is realistic

[2:25:12] which is which is a million out there

[2:25:14] 600 of it is. So if you think if if you

[2:25:18] know one sick you get if you get you

[2:25:20] know

[2:25:20] >> if you get a chart of it

[2:25:21] >> right

[2:25:22] >> that is that's a little that's a little

[2:25:24] >> right

[2:25:27] >> but we so we just have to balance it out

[2:25:29] with the expense of

[2:25:31] >> right

[2:25:32] >> but the expenses are already

[2:25:35] >> going to challenge it yes because you

[2:25:36] know sometime people are not conscious

[2:25:37] of a there I got a ticket

[2:25:42] on the bus and I think that u get away

[2:25:45] with Okay.

[2:25:46] >> Yeah, that we may want to consider that

[2:25:48] because if 600 outstanding

[2:25:55] » any other question regarding this

[2:25:57] >> we have any more question

[2:25:59] >> I was going to ask you let me know

[2:26:01] >> that's all I ask

[2:26:03] >> one more you

[2:26:06] >> never going to be

[2:26:09] with regards to the detail and it's um

[2:26:12] pretty

[2:26:15] Would it be unfair to say that if we

[2:26:18] were to say okay 50 details per year

[2:26:20] would that be that would help and at the

[2:26:24] same time as we do that we will have to

[2:26:26] increase the to match whatever is

[2:26:28] collected.

[2:26:30] So right now we spend $24,000 $25,000

[2:26:34] time for that revenue 400,000.

[2:26:38] If we were to say, let's double it and

[2:26:41] set aside $50,000 total time to kind of,

[2:26:44] you know, to do to cover those details,

[2:26:48] would that be a a big haul?

[2:26:52] >> Maybe it could be done. Maybe

[2:26:55] that was

[2:26:57] >> the thing that we're we're we're putting

[2:26:59] over time there. So the officers are

[2:27:01] weird. We have no time [clears throat]

[2:27:02] to cover that. It's not like, okay,

[2:27:04] well, vote. We'll figure out.

[2:27:07] >> Yeah. Yeah, I was

[2:27:10] we did 27 so far this year and um I

[2:27:13] think he said 42 which one of the best

[2:27:17] he did for me for next year.

[2:27:18] >> So I'm right there

[2:27:23] » later.

[2:27:27] I'm think I'm thinking heavy on this. So

[2:27:29] I I'll let you know. [laughter]

[2:27:32] Any other question for uh the chief?

[2:27:34] >> So, so I just wanted to make clear so if

[2:27:36] we increase the um and based on the

[2:27:40] number so far we would get how much we

[2:27:43] take in to put against the

[2:27:45] >> 220 it will be it would be like 440,000

[2:27:50] but we'll have to take 50,000

[2:27:53] >> minus 50.

[2:27:54] >> Okay.

[2:27:56] >> We taking in revenue but we have to put

[2:27:57] some money there so we can't just stick

[2:27:59] in money and add um topping up the over

[2:28:01] time. So what I'm sorry could you just

[2:28:03] tell me again the line I was trying

[2:28:04] >> that is a 2610 B

[2:28:09] >> and so you're thinking

[2:28:10] >> well we'll discuss that when we get into

[2:28:13] the dete

[2:28:25] that's internal [laughter]

[2:28:31] too much out there. Let people know that

[2:28:33] you know

[2:28:35] >> it's not like you're not hiding. You're

[2:28:36] not hiding anything but everyone's

[2:28:38] watching.

[2:28:41] >> You know, paperwork.

[2:28:43] >> Any other

[2:28:45] Thank you so much.

[2:28:46] >> Thank you.

[2:28:46] for coming back and well

[2:28:50] good guidance to help us.

[2:29:00] » [laughter]

[2:29:02] >> Mr. Motor, you want to take?

[2:29:04] >> Yeah, we can. Oh, just before before we

[2:29:06] take a break.

[2:29:12] » Yes, if you don't mind. Yes, we need

[2:29:14] that from you. We'll take a break.

[2:29:16] >> What time do you think we are going to

[2:29:18] try to have a hard stop this evening?

[2:29:23] » What time do you want to go?

[2:29:25] I just

[2:29:28] >> Oh,

[2:29:30] [clears throat]

[2:29:30] >> I was kind of thinking 8:30, but

[2:29:34] >> it's

[2:29:36] not

[2:29:38] just starting to get like

[2:29:48] » Yeah. I think the best thing would be if

[2:29:50] council give me an email for whatever

[2:29:52] changes do

[2:29:53] >> so then I can put into an Excel

[2:29:56] spreadsheet for Friday's meeting for uh

[2:29:59] tomorrow night.

[2:30:01] >> That is the reason why I said we're

[2:30:02] doing a little bit.

[2:30:02] >> So we should probably um

[2:30:05] >> line by line.

[2:30:06] >> No, we not line by line. I did what the

[2:30:10] recommended um recommended changes that

[2:30:13] was submitted to the back and forth.

[2:30:15] We'll do column again proposed budget.

[2:30:20] We'll list it as council proposed

[2:30:23] proposal,

[2:30:24] >> right? What we usually do for

[2:30:27] >> water.

[2:30:28] >> So all the proposal that was submitted

[2:30:30] to you, we have them. So insert those

[2:30:33] into the into the

[2:30:35] >> unless we disagree with some of them

[2:30:37] from the discussion.

[2:30:37] >> That is for discussion Friday. It is for

[2:30:40] us to discuss it. But we want to see

[2:30:42] where we lie in So, what else do we need

[2:30:44] to do tonight then

[2:30:45] >> if we're going to do I mean

[2:30:47] >> you're doing that tonight. You're going

[2:30:48] to have him go back to his office and

[2:30:50] give us back.

[2:30:52] >> I'm sorry. I'm just I'm not

[2:30:53] understanding.

[2:30:54] >> All council changes will be consolidated

[2:30:56] to one.

[2:30:57] >> Right.

[2:31:00] >> Doc the council proposal.

[2:31:02] >> Right. Right. Right.

[2:31:04] >> No, no, no, no, [laughter] no.

[2:31:08] Let's do it how we used to have them in

[2:31:10] the past.

[2:31:12] >> Proposed budget.

[2:31:13] >> We insert a column. We're not doing a

[2:31:16] separate sheet. uh we just you know

[2:31:18] listed line you know line by line going

[2:31:22] down whatever they proposed changes

[2:31:23] against those lines we did we're doing

[2:31:25] the same thing to the revenue to we

[2:31:27] maintain the mayor's budget as we're

[2:31:30] going to touch I mean insert column and

[2:31:32] we're putting the council

[2:31:33] >> council

[2:31:34] >> proposal

[2:31:35] >> so we want comparison here with it and

[2:31:37] then we have a separate total

[2:31:40] proposal city council proposal and this

[2:31:43] is a new total

[2:31:44] >> so

[2:31:45] >> we will discuss that Friday then we say

[2:31:47] you don't you don't like it you like it

[2:31:50] and then we move forward and then we

[2:31:51] talk about it at that point we need to

[2:31:53] move forward now because we're like

[2:31:55] they're showing papers here that's right

[2:31:57] >> and we do not have numbers to actually

[2:31:59] look at and see where where the actual

[2:32:01] changes need

[2:32:02] >> so so can get a consolidated email from

[2:32:04] for all so we're not looking at hundreds

[2:32:07] of emails trying to

[2:32:11] » I mean we have mostly emails

[2:32:15] >> but we just have more based on

[2:32:16] discussion here. We're going to have

[2:32:17] some more exper

[2:32:21] » I can cut and paste all the

[2:32:23] >> Oh, wait. Is that

[2:32:26] >> No, we can discuss this discussion.

[2:32:28] >> So,

[2:32:28] >> well, you've got people in the room. So,

[2:32:30] it's really [laughter]

[2:32:32] >> No, we're not negotiation. We're trying

[2:32:34] to formalize how we get the report.

[2:32:38] >> So, because we need to we need to look

[2:32:40] at numbers and we need to look at um

[2:32:46] They saw a lot of people make

[2:32:47] recommendation.

[2:32:55] I'm going to make some

[2:46:03] and just stay in order. That's what I

[2:46:05] >> I'm going to go through mine in terms of

[2:46:07] my revenue. You go through yours in the

[2:46:08] meantime and try to see if we can get u

[2:46:13] some attraction.

[2:46:15] >> So, are we done with the revenue part?

[2:46:17] >> No, we're about to start it. I am gonna

[2:46:19] start my revenue. I'm gonna make my

[2:46:22] recommendation.

[2:46:24] >> And Sam, can you please make

[2:46:49] » [clears throat]

[2:46:52] » You have to take this out.

[2:46:53] >> You have you have a copy. You have a

[2:46:55] copy of my email and I'm going to go

[2:46:56] through the email that I sent. Everybody

[2:46:58] has a copy of it.

[2:47:03] » This one right?

[2:47:05] >> Yes.

[2:47:08] Yeah.

[2:47:12] » Sir, you have a copy of the CP?

[2:47:13] >> Yeah.

[2:47:14] >> So, I'm going to go through this and I'm

[2:47:15] going to tell you which one I am making

[2:47:16] adjustment and which one I'm adding.

[2:47:18] >> Okay.

[2:47:19] >> Well, the first one I'm keeping it as

[2:47:21] is.

[2:47:26] » I know it's 10:02. I'm just saying.

[2:47:28] Okay. Oh, you starting right.

[2:47:30] >> I'm going with the email that everybody

[2:47:31] has a copy of it. And then the next one

[2:47:34] is um A116.

[2:47:36] I'm sticking with that. Mom.

[2:47:41] » So, I'm just trying I'm going to put a

[2:47:42] column that says

[2:47:49] » So, you're thinking of reducing

[2:47:52] >> reducing

[2:47:57] that reducing

[2:48:04] » Yeah.

[2:48:06] Mr.

[2:48:09] » Yes, that is a reduction from 2.850 to

[2:48:14] $2 million. $850,000.

[2:48:19] That's my recommendation back to the

[2:48:20] general fund.

[2:48:21] >> Yep.

[2:48:22] >> The A116

[2:48:26] increase that to 300,000.

[2:48:31] The one I had um waiting on the PD

[2:48:33] presentation and I just asked the PD

[2:48:36] what their estimate is and they're

[2:48:38] looking at um 42 details. I asked for

[2:48:41] 50.

[2:48:42] >> I'm sorry, which one was by the way that

[2:48:44] >> A2610B

[2:48:47] » Ab

[2:48:52] can you say it again, please?

[2:48:54] >> Um would it be would it be wise for you

[2:48:56] to use the email that I sent to you?

[2:48:58] >> I'm looking at it. I am looking at I

[2:48:59] just want to tell you that because the

[2:49:01] last one you just said cannabis

[2:49:04] >> but I caught the number there

[2:49:07] >> but it's supposed to be you you said you

[2:49:09] said like like a different number than

[2:49:11] what it actually you said the 300k but

[2:49:13] what you really want to do is increase

[2:49:14] it to 1 million.

[2:49:15] >> Yeah, but it's 7 700,000 currently.

[2:49:18] >> I just going to put them the 1 million

[2:49:21] >> down instead of 300,000.

[2:49:24] >> I'm trying to be effective here tonight

[2:49:26] because we're going to figure back and

[2:49:27] forth like this. We're going to go up.

[2:49:29] >> I'm just trying to understand. I I think

[2:49:32] that you said 300,000, but you wrote 1

[2:49:34] million and it's 1 million

[2:49:36] >> plus 300,000 would bring it to 1

[2:49:38] million.

[2:49:38] >> I got

[2:49:41] you increase to a million.

[2:49:42] >> I put in parenthesis. Why am I 300 away

[2:49:45] from his sheet Carmel? Just use your

[2:49:47] book here and see what's there. How much

[2:49:49] he wants to

[2:49:50] >> So a16

[2:49:53] » increasing increase to a million dollars

[2:49:55] and that's adding 300,000. Great.

[2:49:59] >> A2 2016B

[2:50:01] my notice was to wait on the PD

[2:50:03] recommendation. I'm sorry the

[2:50:05] presentation.

[2:50:06] >> Yeah.

[2:50:06] >> And they're looking next year to have 50

[2:50:08] details. They did 27

[2:50:13] as far as 42 details. I asked what would

[2:50:16] be 50. Currently they're $219,000

[2:50:21] over time.

[2:50:22] >> So I'm looking to add revenue of 440,000

[2:50:25] there. How much? On line 26 10 A or B

[2:50:29] >> B.

[2:50:30] >> Adding how much?

[2:50:32] >> 400 $440,000.

[2:50:35] >> You're adding that. Okay.

[2:50:36] >> Adding 440,000 to that line

[2:50:40] >> plus and then adding $50,000 to over

[2:50:44] time line.

[2:50:48] So I have a little bit of note here.

[2:50:50] Yes. So correction here. Which which

[2:50:52] over time are you having online?

[2:50:54] >> In the very same in the very same um

[2:50:57] >> traffic.

[2:50:58] >> Is it this is traffic? So over time on

[2:51:01] the traffic.

[2:51:03] >> Would that be would that be correct?

[2:51:05] >> Mhm.

[2:51:07] >> So would it be easier if you like

[2:51:10] increased all your revenue and then when

[2:51:11] your increases come in the budget?

[2:51:13] >> No, but I have to do it at the same

[2:51:15] time.

[2:51:15] >> You have to. Okay.

[2:51:16] >> So in and out. Yeah. This one. This one

[2:51:18] here. This is the only one has in and

[2:51:19] out.

[2:51:20] >> Okay. because we we're potentially

[2:51:22] looking at generating more revenue, but

[2:51:23] it comes with the cost.

[2:51:25] >> So that you know what the line number is

[2:51:27] on the overtime.

[2:51:31] » So I'm just going to have to look for

[2:51:32] it. Police department.

[2:51:34] >> We can wait to find it before we move

[2:51:36] on.

[2:51:38] >> Um let's see. So that was one

[2:51:42] um 2610N

[2:51:45] parking fun. So I got to go

[2:51:50] adding 440,000 here

[2:51:53] >> the 2610B

[2:51:56] >> and then timeline

[2:51:57] >> I'll get it later from the line

[2:52:01] >> on the traffic

[2:52:02] >> we don't have it yet

[2:52:05] >> I got the 440

[2:52:07] >> line

[2:52:09] 50,000

[2:52:21] before fire.

[2:52:25] » How much money is that? 400. What?

[2:52:27] >> 440,000.

[2:52:32] Got the police department starts in

[2:52:34] 3120.

[2:52:36] >> Thank you guys. the police department.

[2:52:44] » Are you saying parking 3320 for me?

[2:52:47] >> That would be on the uh parking or that

[2:52:49] will be on the patrol. Um

[2:52:54] I would assume it's under parking, but

[2:52:56] maybe the police

[2:52:59] opinion on the matter.

[2:53:00] >> Um would that be under um field service

[2:53:03] or would that be under um

[2:53:07] He said we go through the end of

[2:53:08] parking.

[2:53:09] >> Parking.

[2:53:10] >> That's what

[2:53:13] I would assume.

[2:53:15] >> Yes.

[2:53:17] >> You're not talking about

[2:53:17] >> just looking for the expense line. We're

[2:53:19] looking

[2:53:20] >> I'm looking at the expense line.

[2:53:21] >> A3320 parking.

[2:53:23] >> The overtime line is 112.

[2:53:26] >> What was the number? What's the number

[2:53:27] again? Please.

[2:53:28] >> Got it. I got it.

[2:53:28] >> 833. It's on page 38.

[2:53:31] >> 83320.

[2:53:33] >> Yep. Um we can confirm with the

[2:53:40] » So we can always we can always adjust

[2:53:42] those numbers.

[2:53:43] >> So we're adding instead of 125 we'd be

[2:53:46] proposing

[2:53:48] >> sorry 320

[2:53:50] >> 3320112

[2:53:53] is the overtime line.

[2:53:54] >> Right. [clears throat]

[2:53:55] >> I'm just looking for the figure.

[2:53:57] >> Yeah but this might not be the right.

[2:53:58] This is like parking like people who

[2:54:00] meter and things like that. This detail

[2:54:03] is more like um patrol,

[2:54:05] >> right?

[2:54:06] >> This is patrol. That's why

[2:54:10] » he did say those fines of 900 those

[2:54:13] fines of those 27 details collected are

[2:54:16] in the 910,000,000

[2:54:19] lines.

[2:54:21] So,

[2:54:23] >> so I think this this has to be an A3122

[2:54:26] 112

[2:54:29] >> A31

[2:54:31] >> 22 112

[2:54:33] >> 31 22 112

[2:54:37] >> A

[2:54:38] 21 22

[2:54:40] >> 112 So that's page 33 everybody.

[2:54:43] >> Right.

[2:54:43] >> Okay.

[2:54:44] >> And that I'm asking um for us to add

[2:54:47] 50,000 there.

[2:54:52] Yes,

[2:54:52] >> we're adding expenses

[2:54:53] >> and we're adding 440,000 until A 2016.

[2:55:03] » You want to go back to U.

[2:55:07] So this is um 440 plus

[2:55:11] >> Oh yeah, I got that. 910 plus 440.

[2:55:13] >> 440

[2:55:15] the following. Sorry. Thank you.

[2:55:18] So let's move to the next line. A2668.

[2:55:24] I'm asking for us to maintain the same

[2:55:26] as 2025 4.5 million into 2026

[2:55:31] and that will be an increase of 1.5 I

[2:55:33] believe

[2:55:34] >> and you just skipped over the liquid

[2:55:36] park.

[2:55:37] >> Oh sorry

[2:55:40] >> 2610

[2:55:43] >> and

[2:55:43] >> yeah sorry let me go back. Initially I

[2:55:46] asked for um

[2:55:47] >> Initially I had asked for um

[2:55:51] >> for that to go up to 232,000

[2:55:54] >> but I'm going to ask to increase that to

[2:55:57] 130,000.

[2:55:59] >> It's it's at 170.

[2:56:01] >> Yes. No 170 plus 130.

[2:56:04] >> Okay. Thanks.

[2:56:06] >> So not the 500k plus not the 500k. So

[2:56:09] that mean I would like to bring it to

[2:56:14] 130

[2:56:16] >> 300

[2:56:17] >> 300,000 instead of one one um 170

[2:56:23] home um home sales maintain the same as

[2:56:26] 2025 4.5 million into 2026 and that's an

[2:56:29] increase of 1.5.

[2:56:33] The next one is 83005

[2:56:36] mortgage tax.

[2:56:39] I'm ask I'm asking on my proposal. This

[2:56:42] is my proposal to increase that to

[2:56:44] 410,000.

[2:56:48] » Increase it by 410,000 to 1.4 million.

[2:56:52] >> That is correct. It's proposed at 9450

[2:56:57] increase.

[2:56:58] >> Sorry. Sorry. What What is it?

[2:57:00] >> It's at um It's at 950. That was 95.

[2:57:04] >> No, it's 9:50.

[2:57:07] >> So, is it 410 or 450?

[2:57:10] >> 450.

[2:57:13] >> It's just like, well, when you get all

[2:57:14] the way through the end, although

[2:57:16] there's a total,

[2:57:17] >> so 450 plus 950

[2:57:22] » and that will bring us to 1.4.

[2:57:26] >> Okay.

[2:57:26] >> Now, the totals.

[2:57:28] >> Yes. It's now handsome. So based on today's um

[2:57:34] >> Oh, you got to add

[2:57:35] >> conversation. I'm going to add more to

[2:57:38] the sheet.

[2:57:39] >> Mhm.

[2:57:39] >> So A2610

[2:57:41] M.

[2:57:43] A2610

[2:57:46] >> M. [clears throat] That's bus patrol.

[2:57:49] >> Mhm.

[2:57:50] >> I am recommending that we add $200,000

[2:57:52] away because we have $600,000

[2:57:55] [snorts] tickets. I'm just pick 600,000.

[2:57:58] I've taken a target which is very

[2:58:00] conservative.

[2:58:01] >> So please tell me that amount again. I

[2:58:02] just said

[2:58:03] >> 200,000.

[2:58:04] >> So you want to add to the big

[2:58:06] >> Yes. So we're adding 200,000 to this

[2:58:08] line. We can go back to the revenue

[2:58:10] line.

[2:58:13] >> So what's that? How much you adding back

[2:58:14] to that?

[2:58:15] >> 200,000.

[2:58:16] >> 200.

[2:58:17] >> Back to 600K.

[2:58:18] >> Yes.

[2:58:19] >> So right now it's 400.

[2:58:22] >> We got a plus.

[2:58:24] >> No.

[2:58:24] >> 200. That will bring it that will bring

[2:58:26] it to 600 KV.

[2:58:28] >> Mhm. [clears throat]

[2:58:30] » 2610. Okay.

[2:58:32] >> Yes. 2610.

[2:58:34] >> And as in

[2:58:36] the next one, um, under snap

[2:58:41] 600.

[2:58:42] >> Under snap,

[2:58:44] we're asking to add 200,000 there.

[2:58:48] >> Give me your money, please.

[2:58:50] >> 1621. All right.

[2:58:51] >> That is a 217.

[2:58:56] Oh, the CDBG

[2:58:57] >> CDBG A2170.

[2:59:01] » This is what?

[2:59:08] » Yeah, she wanted to keep.

[2:59:10] >> So, we'll do 200,000 there on that line.

[2:59:12] >> No, no, no, no. Alex,

[2:59:14] >> no. She wanted to keep 10,000 10,000 out

[2:59:16] of the out of the

[2:59:18] >> We didn't even touch your your stuff.

[2:59:19] >> No, I know. I know. I No, no, no. I know

[2:59:21] what you're saying. But what what you're

[2:59:22] saying is that she wanted to get

[2:59:23] >> I understand it's 200,000,000

[2:59:27] 200

[2:59:29] >> right. Yes.

[2:59:30] >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

[2:59:31] >> She said there was 202,000 $55.

[2:59:34] >> Yeah. But we're going to just say 200

[2:59:36] [laughter]

[2:59:38] finish 2,000 is going to go on.

[2:59:40] >> Okay.

[2:59:42] >> So that's um Snap.

[2:59:45] >> Yep.

[2:59:46] >> Coats.

[2:59:49] >> Thank you. What revenue am I

[2:59:52] 217?

[2:59:53] >> 170 C.

[2:59:54] >> Oh yes, she's

[2:59:56] >> 170,000

[2:59:59] there.

[2:59:59] >> Yep.

[3:00:00] >> So that would be 300.

[3:00:03] >> So that will uh currently is 100,000. So

[3:00:06] we'll plus 100,000 there too. And

[3:00:08] that'll be 300,000 there on that one.

[3:00:13] » Okay.

[3:00:14] >> Mhm.

[3:00:17] >> Okay. So, I just have to ask this

[3:00:19] question while we're doing this. Like in

[3:00:22] Miss Carver's explanation, there was

[3:00:24] funds that were sent from prior years.

[3:00:26] It's not like we're dealing with um

[3:00:28] recent stuff. She said it had to be

[3:00:30] spended. So, I don't want to get us in

[3:00:32] the position where like we're going to

[3:00:33] let's leave a couple thousand over there

[3:00:34] in years that can ex that can be titled.

[3:00:37] >> She has to spend the oldest first, which

[3:00:39] what's

[3:00:40] >> that's exactly what I'm talking about.

[3:00:41] So, expand.

[3:00:43] >> So, you want to put the the first one on

[3:00:44] snap. You want to put two or two?

[3:00:46] I I think we should we're going to

[3:00:49] fight.

[3:00:49] >> So, sorry. Let's make adjustment. 202.

[3:00:53] >> Okay.

[3:00:54] >> 2178

[3:00:55] >> and code was 206.

[3:00:57] >> 20 206.

[3:00:58] >> Yes.

[3:00:58] >> Okay. Let's make that 206 then.

[3:01:00] >> Mhm. [clears throat]

[3:01:01] >> 306.

[3:01:02] >> Okay. So, that would be 306

[3:01:07] and snap is 202 because there's no

[3:01:09] funding here.

[3:01:10] >> Right. Okay.

[3:01:11] >> Now, I wish I had completely different

[3:01:13] then.

[3:01:14] >> Are we good? Yes.

[3:01:16] >> Um,

[3:01:20] capture.

[3:01:25] » Yes.

[3:01:26] >> Thank you.

[3:01:27] >> Am I missing anything? No, I have all my

[3:01:32] >> Did you Did you go over the allowable

[3:01:35] tax?

[3:01:36] >> Yes, I did. Cool. Drop dropping by 850.

[3:01:40] >> Add 800. bringing that down to 2 million

[3:01:44] and cannabis increasing that up to a

[3:01:47] million.

[3:01:49] >> The we have we have seven for the

[3:01:52] record. We have seven. Oh,

[3:01:54] >> so I I have I have more information on

[3:01:55] that if you want to hear it now.

[3:01:57] [clears throat]

[3:01:59] >> Cannabis. So we do have seven that are

[3:02:02] active. There are 13 entirely

[3:02:06] >> approved but not

[3:02:06] >> approved but for whatever reason they're

[3:02:08] nonoperational and when they become

[3:02:10] operational we don't know.

[3:02:11] >> Um and so in 2025

[3:02:17] we had one that opened uh in April and

[3:02:21] another one that opened I'm not sure

[3:02:23] that they think that looks like that

[3:02:25] open in January and also January 9th. So

[3:02:28] we had we had three open in 2025.

[3:02:32] We had two that opened in the last

[3:02:34] quarter of 2024.

[3:02:37] Um so that's four and one two and then

[3:02:41] one in the third quarter of 2024 and

[3:02:44] then Mr. the one up on Union Street way

[3:02:48] back in 23. I mean it did so long.

[3:02:50] >> So in terms of capturing the um the

[3:02:55] revenue so

[3:02:58] We're capturing you said we have two

[3:03:00] quarters so far, right? Right. So, one

[3:03:03] of those was not the one that opened in

[3:03:06] April. We did like the first quarter.

[3:03:10] There was something that they

[3:03:15] get the percentage [clears throat]

[3:03:17] broken down and the county sends us uh

[3:03:20] which goes to the county and then a

[3:03:22] portion goes to us.

[3:03:23] >> So, we don't know which store. But I

[3:03:26] don't take that off.

[3:03:27] >> Okay. Well, I on look you find OCM site

[3:03:31] that they did those before 111. So they

[3:03:32] would not include

[3:03:35] the second they would and all the rest

[3:03:37] of them would be included. So I guess my

[3:03:40] question is raising that up to 1

[3:03:43] million.

[3:03:44] It was about 850,000. They took it back

[3:03:47] down to 700. So you think it's

[3:03:50] reasonable that we can go all the way to

[3:03:51] I I just wanted I was going to go back

[3:03:52] to 800. I I think it's seven stores.

[3:03:56] >> Oh, I'm sorry.

[3:03:56] >> That's okay.

[3:03:58] >> Seven. It's seven stores.

[3:03:59] >> It's seven stores, but it's not like the

[3:04:02] big So, that was my confir

[3:04:05] most. Four of them are already open.

[3:04:07] >> Yes.

[3:04:08] >> So, they that money is accounted for. We

[3:04:10] only opened three in 2021.

[3:04:19] » Thank you. Got it.

[3:04:20] So there seven stores but we're

[3:04:22] capturing revenue from four of them for a couple years

[3:04:27] >> 800,000 right

[3:04:29] >> and then the three open

[3:04:31] >> three more for 200,000

[3:04:35] >> but

[3:04:36] they're included in some of the revenue

[3:04:39] I thought maybe that's why I wanted the

[3:04:40] dates so we can kind of get an idea of

[3:04:42] like how much we can raise it so I

[3:04:45] didn't I don't agree with taking it down

[3:04:47] I do think it should go back up but Um,

[3:04:50] I guess I'm concerned if it goes another

[3:04:52] 300,000 when we only had one shorter

[3:04:55] account for it.

[3:04:55] >> I thought that went up.

[3:04:57] >> It didn't. They took it down.

[3:04:58] >> They took it down. The mayor

[3:05:02] get back.

[3:05:03] >> He is.

[3:05:04] >> Mr. Moon wants to take it to a million.

[3:05:06] My question is it's a million too high.

[3:05:08] >> Too much. That's my question because we

[3:05:10] only have one store that wasn't

[3:05:12] incorporated in that. That's my

[3:05:14] question. Um we're banking for the

[3:05:16] situation awareness. Two other stores

[3:05:20] locations were approved by the planning

[3:05:22] commission. One on upper upper upper

[3:05:26] >> Broadway and then there's one key bank

[3:05:30] by the wondering map by the uh

[3:05:32] >> oh yeah

[3:05:35] >> there seems to have been some activity

[3:05:36] working on that.

[3:05:37] >> Yes.

[3:05:38] They're still working. That's

[3:05:39] right. 1610 Eastern Parkway was is

[3:05:41] nonoperational but one. What was the

[3:05:44] other one?

[3:05:44] >> The one up on Broadway. Maybe it may be

[3:05:46] West over place. It may go by

[3:05:49] >> Westing

[3:05:52] House. Westing House.

[3:05:54] >> It may be going instead of going to

[3:05:56] Broadway address maybe going.

[3:05:59] >> Do you know the name of it? Because

[3:06:02] >> but so basically

[3:06:04] 170 Broadway.

[3:06:06] >> Okay.

[3:06:08] >> Well,

[3:06:09] >> yeah, that's it. I I do want to say I

[3:06:12] mean I've noticed the decrease on Union

[3:06:14] Street of people in mine. I hope the

[3:06:16] same amount of revenue will come in just

[3:06:19] >> spreading across. Yeah,

[3:06:20] >> it's spreading across. I don't think I

[3:06:21] don't think there's going to be a

[3:06:22] million dollars um especially with the

[3:06:25] amount of municipalities that now people

[3:06:27] go to Amsterdam, it's in Massachusetts,

[3:06:30] it's in Troy, it's all over. So people

[3:06:32] were coming here specifically and I

[3:06:33] think those first two years we were able

[3:06:35] to capitalize on but I can't see it

[3:06:37] going up that much. But Massachusetts

[3:06:40] had it all the time before before we

[3:06:42] even dreamed about another story.

[3:06:43] Massachusetts had it.

[3:06:44] >> Oh, Massachusetts did.

[3:06:45] >> It didn't affect the sale in

[3:06:48] >> Can I can I ask a question of our

[3:06:50] commissioner? Why then did we when with

[3:06:54] the mayor's budget, why did it get

[3:06:56] lowered

[3:06:57] >> if we have more

[3:07:00] active

[3:07:02] quarter of this year and you know that

[3:07:07] by two? Oh yeah, I got I see it.

[3:07:09] >> It's right on that mark.

[3:07:11] >> Gotcha.

[3:07:12] >> And we're looking at these revenue. I

[3:07:14] just want to again caution that

[3:07:17] looking at you know increasing revenue

[3:07:20] marks.

[3:07:21] >> So we don't have these marks on balance.

[3:07:23] I mean that's really well currently. So

[3:07:27] we don't want to make the city right.

[3:07:29] >> No, that's why I I think we should

[3:07:32] increase it back to what it was. Even in

[3:07:33] participation of the elder stores

[3:07:35] opening, I I'm I'm cautious with them.

[3:07:40] >> So, can I just ask a question about

[3:07:42] process here or because so John gave

[3:07:44] what his

[3:07:46] recommendations are? Are we going to go

[3:07:49] to each through each one of his or are

[3:07:50] we going to give

[3:07:51] >> each

[3:07:53] other? Okay. Because we're talking

[3:07:55] everybody's proposal and documenting it

[3:07:57] so that the

[3:07:58] >> Okay.

[3:07:59] finance team can have a path forward

[3:08:01] because we need to get numbers and look

[3:08:04] at real numbers right

[3:08:07] >> and not look at newspapers and

[3:08:08] >> so just to John would you consider um

[3:08:13] not going to a million on that one

[3:08:14] particular

[3:08:15] >> let's put it there okay then this is what we're going to talk

[3:08:18] >> on Friday okay we'll talk about on

[3:08:20] Friday

[3:08:21] >> yes

[3:08:22] >> I'm sorry

[3:08:25] I just uh I just need two more to

[3:08:29] um what I have

[3:08:30] >> okay

[3:08:31] >> what I have as as note for me

[3:08:33] >> the new deployment we need to add

[3:08:36] 150,000 to that line

[3:08:37] >> but that's budget neutral

[3:08:39] >> that's yes

[3:08:39] >> that's not that would be in general

[3:08:41] operating so that's in the cloud

[3:08:44] >> also

[3:08:46] >> let's not let's talk

[3:08:48] >> I just want to find the right to use

[3:08:51] >> and then I also would like to add um

[3:08:54] 40,000 back to the senior the senior

[3:08:56] program

[3:08:57] >> that's 8 1989

[3:09:01] 499

[3:09:02] >> 8 19 49

[3:09:06] >> 30

[3:09:12] » Yes.

[3:09:12] >> Mhm.

[3:09:14] >> We We need to fun our our senior

[3:09:15] programs.

[3:09:17] >> We kept one of the fun. We're over 70

[3:09:19] people that just

[3:09:20] >> How many?

[3:09:21] >> 70.

[3:09:21] >> Mhm.

[3:09:22] >> With a band, not the runners, the

[3:09:25] protot.

[3:09:27] I mean they were was session time

[3:09:31] that figure.

[3:09:33] >> Okay.

[3:09:33] >> I I didn't even look at that line

[3:09:34] because I it wasn't coming out of the

[3:09:37] budget.

[3:09:37] >> So we need to document that we the

[3:09:40] council is making recommendation for

[3:09:42] 150,000 [clears throat]

[3:09:43] um line.

[3:09:45] >> Yes.

[3:09:45] >> I know it's we don't want to use a term

[3:09:48] that it's in the cloud. We need we need

[3:09:50] some documentation to show that this is

[3:09:52] council recommendation.

[3:09:54] >> Yeah. Well, he's going to give us back a

[3:09:56] new

[3:09:57] >> I'm asking the commissioner.

[3:10:00] >> Should we like to document it?

[3:10:04] >> This is this is right now it's zero in

[3:10:06] the

[3:10:06] >> must be under

[3:10:09] >> probably [clears throat] documentation

[3:10:10] for the development department since

[3:10:13] it's not going to be significant.

[3:10:17] I'm sure she would work with the council

[3:10:19] and get some language in place

[3:10:23] established.

[3:10:24] >> You okay with that?

[3:10:25] >> Yeah, because whatever lines that she

[3:10:28] whatever funding source she identified

[3:10:30] she'll just have to might have to be

[3:10:32] done by legislation or no because she

[3:10:34] said it's already it's already and it's

[3:10:37] budget neutral. [clears throat]

[3:10:38] >> She can do it. She can do it.

[3:10:39] >> Yeah. So yeah.

[3:10:40] >> So we are not going to touch this

[3:10:42] document with that 15. is it's not going

[3:10:44] to be showing in the revenue.

[3:10:47] >> Okay, great. We like

[3:10:48] >> we do like this.

[3:10:49] >> We love that.

[3:10:50] >> Okay, great. So, I'm not even going to

[3:10:51] worry about where is it in this packet.

[3:10:53] >> Yep.

[3:10:54] >> Okay. So, what was next?

[3:10:56] >> Okay, that is my revenue.

[3:10:59] >> Um, you say you want to go next to the

[3:11:01] revenue, please proceed. I'm going to

[3:11:03] come back on expending today, but I give

[3:11:05] everybody an opportunity to go ahead. So

[3:11:08] I guess with Derek's explanation, I'm

[3:11:10] not in favor of decreasing the allowance

[3:11:12] for uncollected taxes by any amount.

[3:11:15] Derek came with that high importance.

[3:11:17] It's not

[3:11:18] >> it is I'm sorry 102 A102.

[3:11:23] >> Can can you I know you said it's not

[3:11:25] giving

[3:11:27] um of how that works, why it's there,

[3:11:30] what it's in that board. Can can you

[3:11:33] just explain a little bit further

[3:11:34] because I I'm not in favor of of

[3:11:37] lowering that at all

[3:11:40] >> or how do you account for it or is it

[3:11:42] just

[3:11:43] >> Yeah. How do you account for it? Where

[3:11:44] does it end up? What does it work? I

[3:11:46] mean, but it just I know why it has to

[3:11:49] do that.

[3:11:50] >> So,

[3:11:52] you look at the le. It's basically

[3:11:54] receivable. It shows the full amount,

[3:11:56] right? Um we book it. It's usually

[3:11:59] booked at year end. uh the for example

[3:12:03] for 2026

[3:12:05] uh we'll book it in December for

[3:12:07] whatever tax less passed

[3:12:11] by

[3:12:13] um and then find out usually around

[3:12:16] March of how much uncollected uh taxes

[3:12:20] been earned. Um so even though you see

[3:12:22] that full amount in the tax relief

[3:12:24] doesn't mean we're actually paying that

[3:12:26] limit. um we find out exactly all

[3:12:30] uncollected taxes by March and that's

[3:12:32] why we see that negative amount of the

[3:12:34] adopted budget or proposed budget.

[3:12:38] >> Understood.

[3:12:40] >> But but my number factor based on as we increase the the collection

[3:12:46] both of them can go for the same time.

[3:12:49] >> One has to go up and one has to go down.

[3:12:51] >> Well, not necessarily

[3:12:54] paying taxes.

[3:12:55] >> We're budgeting. buting in excess of $6

[3:12:57] million

[3:12:58] >> in anticipation of collecting.

[3:13:01] >> Well,

[3:13:01] >> so then we need to drop our uncollected

[3:13:04] too in anticipation that we're going to

[3:13:06] we're not going to have so much negative

[3:13:08] >> tax

[3:13:10] because as we go up one has to come down

[3:13:13] can't have both on the same same path

[3:13:15] there.

[3:13:16] >> I don't

[3:13:18] that's my consense. So I I'm I'm not in

[3:13:21] favor of decreasing uh A102.

[3:13:26] >> A 2610 B as in boy.

[3:13:29] >> So now I'm going to have to come up with

[3:13:30] a new

[3:13:36] » writing it. I'll just call the number

[3:13:38] out please.

[3:13:38] >> Parking fines. So um so I

[3:13:42] >> which one are the parking?

[3:13:44] >> A a uh 910,000. A 2610 B is in boy. Mhm.

[3:13:48] >> I I I I I'm in favor of raising it

[3:13:51] 150,000, not the 400,000

[3:13:54] >> only because at this point until we get

[3:13:56] clarification on how we're going to

[3:13:57] collect these uncollected whatever um

[3:14:01] just I'm just not comfortable with it. I

[3:14:04] don't know. I know. I I'm just being a

[3:14:06] little bit more cautious because of

[3:14:08] these revenues we increase and we

[3:14:09] already start off the the 2027 budget in

[3:14:12] a deficit if we don't make these revenue

[3:14:14] figures. Again, I'm just saying uh bus

[3:14:18] patrol

[3:14:18] >> before you proceed ahead.

[3:14:19] >> Yes,

[3:14:20] >> I just want to clarify that

[3:14:23] >> and I base my number based on the

[3:14:25] comment I think you just had a bit of.

[3:14:27] >> Yes.

[3:14:27] >> So, the detail that they did for this

[3:14:29] year,

[3:14:31] you know,

[3:14:32] >> right?

[3:14:33] >> Not overall was 27. They did an internal

[3:14:38] analysis by themselves and they looking

[3:14:39] at 42.

[3:14:43] So

[3:14:43] >> based on the 42 day trail that they

[3:14:45] planning for next year

[3:14:47] >> the revenue is a part of that and that's

[3:14:50] how I was payable number here that's

[3:14:51] what I put together

[3:14:53] >> minus the 50 check

[3:14:54] >> that's 218

[3:14:56] >> so 220 220 that's 240 minus the 50,000

[3:15:00] and that's the information I received

[3:15:01] from them I didn't add anything else on

[3:15:04] top of that is pure this is pure number

[3:15:06] based

[3:15:09] for yeah they formula

[3:15:13] uh they didn't they didn't they didn't

[3:15:14] factor it out um over time but they did

[3:15:17] mention that this this detail comes out

[3:15:20] over time so if we're a drawing revenue

[3:15:22] we have to actually assign expenditure

[3:15:25] >> and that's how 50,000 because it's 24 to

[3:15:28] I

[3:15:29] >> wrote it all down as well but I didn't

[3:15:31] get the same number you did from from AC

[3:15:34] whipple

[3:15:34] >> this this is this is 218 almost 280

[3:15:40] >> I Factor in that over time. Factor out

[3:15:42] the over time.

[3:15:44] >> Just let me review this. So, same thing.

[3:15:45] 218

[3:15:47] >> for 414

[3:15:49] plus

[3:15:51] >> net

[3:15:52] gain of 130.

[3:15:54] >> And this information is from the sheer.

[3:15:58] So that that gain of 130 here and then

[3:16:01] they're looking at um

[3:16:05] year to date

[3:16:07] um another 338 which makes 20

[3:16:11] uh just say 270,000.

[3:16:14] >> No, you have to take the full revenue,

[3:16:16] >> right?

[3:16:16] >> You can't factor out the cost. Yeah.

[3:16:18] Well,

[3:16:18] >> you bring in the full revenue and then

[3:16:20] um

[3:16:20] >> later in the other part of the budget,

[3:16:22] we'll put the

[3:16:22] >> So the revenue has to come in as 100%

[3:16:24] and then you buy. So you can't you can't

[3:16:25] do both in one.

[3:16:27] >> Okay. So you're saying here taking

[3:16:31] the expenditure all the time. That's

[3:16:32] what I did here.

[3:16:33] >> Right.

[3:16:35] With the 440 um and what they're saying

[3:16:37] that we're going to get was we we have a

[3:16:39] net 130 this year and then if they

[3:16:41] double that it'll be a net 260.

[3:16:43] >> No I think you're mixing it up. Uh no

[3:16:45] that is

[3:16:46] >> 44 vehicles 24 uh 27 that is 220,000

[3:16:53] >> they got two.

[3:16:56] But minus the I'm just saying the net

[3:16:58] gain he said was 130. So I'm just

[3:17:01] doubling that for

[3:17:03] next year which would be 260. So I'm not

[3:17:06] so

[3:17:06] >> can't be 218,000US

[3:17:09] 24,000 is not 130. He he told us for

[3:17:12] >> the 130 is a separate line is a separate

[3:17:15] line for the six months for the 27

[3:17:18] detail

[3:17:20] period was 13,64

[3:17:25] » and for the entire year from January to

[3:17:27] October 27th detail 218,000 right

[3:17:30] >> and he's saying and he's saying that

[3:17:31] we're going to double those details

[3:17:33] >> next year we're going to double that

[3:17:36] revenue and then he takes the

[3:17:37] expenditures out over

[3:17:39] >> I'm not worried about the expenditures

[3:17:40] I'm just worried about the revenue.

[3:17:42] >> Well, the revenue what they provide to

[3:17:44] us

[3:17:44] >> 218 and 218 is is 4. You really say 219.

[3:17:48] >> That's why I round up 44.

[3:17:50] >> But what's already on the line is 910

[3:17:53] >> is 9.

[3:17:53] >> No, this is not even in the budget. They

[3:17:55] didn't account for this.

[3:17:56] >> It's right here. It's 2610. I mean 26.

[3:18:00] >> We have to call. It was included in

[3:18:02] >> the chief said that this is noted in the

[3:18:05] revenue.

[3:18:06] >> This is something new. ACL said it was

[3:18:08] in the park fine.

[3:18:10] >> That's what he said.

[3:18:12] >> I wrote it down. 2610B. I wrote down

[3:18:15] what he said. 2610B.

[3:18:16] >> Yes. And that's what I think.

[3:18:18] >> But but this is he's already incorporate

[3:18:21] this and you want to add another 440

[3:18:24] minus the thing is.

[3:18:25] >> Yeah. Just say 44.

[3:18:27] >> This was not accounted for that.

[3:18:29] >> Well, there seems the consensus of

[3:18:31] people who thought that he did say that.

[3:18:32] So I guess

[3:18:34] >> my question was direct to him.

[3:18:37] very clear that it is not.

[3:18:38] >> So, so, so, so this is what we do in the scenario that it's not there.

[3:18:43] Dorin, you have one number. In the

[3:18:44] scenario that it is there, you have

[3:18:45] another. Then we move on.

[3:18:46] >> I understand. Okay.

[3:18:48] >> Because they are increasing it next year

[3:18:50] to ask of that,

[3:18:52] >> right? Doubling it. Yes.

[3:18:53] >> Which would be 440, but there's already

[3:18:55] 910 on the line. Yes.

[3:18:57] >> Let me see. I think I have this number.

[3:18:59] Can we call or is that

[3:19:00] >> proper?

[3:19:02] We just go through the numbers.

[3:19:03] >> We go through your number. I can always

[3:19:04] read this stuff.

[3:19:05] >> So, again, I'm not. All right. So,

[3:19:07] that's uh 26.

[3:19:10] >> Oh, I thought you were saying something.

[3:19:13] >> So, you want to increase it by 150. I

[3:19:14] want to make sure I get your number

[3:19:15] down. Right.

[3:19:16] >> I'm going to I'm going to see what what

[3:19:17] was that.

[3:19:17] >> You said 150 for 2610B. You want to add

[3:19:23] comfortable with

[3:19:28] Sam has a detail and the detail together

[3:19:31] so that we're not missing anything. So,

[3:19:33] let's get your number. What you're

[3:19:34] proposing for the parking

[3:19:36] >> for the parking fine

[3:19:39] 150 from the 910 up

[3:19:42] >> 150 increase already

[3:19:44] >> over the 910 correct.

[3:19:46] >> Are we doing anything with the expense

[3:19:48] line though for time?

[3:19:49] >> We're not there yet but we will have to

[3:19:51] because it will increase the staffing

[3:19:53] cost.

[3:19:53] >> Yeah.

[3:19:55] [clears throat]

[3:19:56] >> So busary

[3:20:00] » oh and delinquent parking funds. Oh,

[3:20:03] then that was just that one. Oh, the bus

[3:20:05] control 2610 and it's in Nancy. I'm

[3:20:07] comfortable with that increase.

[3:20:10] >> Um, sorry. I'm sorry. What increase

[3:20:14] out there?

[3:20:15] >> The bus patrol,

[3:20:16] >> right?

[3:20:16] >> So, increasing to 6. Okay. 600

[3:20:19] >> 2.3 million. Of course, we're budgeting

[3:20:21] that in.

[3:20:22] >> Um, I'm just debating that.

[3:20:24] >> Which one are you on now, Dorine? I'm

[3:20:25] sorry. I'm trying to write as fast as

[3:20:26] >> Well, it's new.

[3:20:28] >> Okay.

[3:20:28] >> NEW

[3:20:29] >> and you're good with 2.3.

[3:20:30] >> Well, yeah.

[3:20:32] I think that's all right. A 2660A.

[3:20:35] Oh, I I missed I missed some

[3:20:38] >> 66A.

[3:20:40] >> I missed the car's um recommendation. I

[3:20:43] will not I I will not I will not go

[3:20:45] above 3 million. She sat here tonight

[3:20:48] and said that that's what she was

[3:20:49] comfortable with.

[3:20:50] >> A3005

[3:20:55] » mortgage tax. mortgage tax

[3:21:01] only 200,000.

[3:21:03] So what's how much is that? Um I only

[3:21:05] want it to be 200,000. Oh increase to

[3:21:08] 200,000. So 950 plus 200,000

[3:21:11] >> is sort of around what Mr. Mut is

[3:21:14] saying,

[3:21:14] >> right?

[3:21:16] >> 950 plus I don't know. I need a total

[3:21:19] >> 950. Sorry, it's very

[3:21:22] >> No, this this whole thing is to get to

[3:21:25] get Mr. toal.

[3:21:26] >> I know. I'm just trying to tell myself,

[3:21:28] but

[3:21:28] >> All right. 950 and 200 is 1 050.

[3:21:35] >> Just get them. Yeah. Yeah, you got it.

[3:21:38] >> I honestly think that um the casino

[3:21:40] A3089.

[3:21:42] I I I really want to increase that

[3:21:44] revenue.

[3:21:46] >> How much?

[3:21:47] >> Like

[3:21:49] I'm thinking 500,000, but I don't know.

[3:21:53] >> No, no, no. Go ahead. Put it down. This

[3:21:54] is this is where we can start to flow

[3:21:56] the number. That's why I wanted to flush

[3:21:58] it out

[3:21:59] >> and see where where it lands.

[3:22:01] >> I mean, we have a lot of things going on

[3:22:03] in the city. Um, a new hotel coming up

[3:22:06] right there.

[3:22:07] >> Um, the event center. And granted, you

[3:22:09] know, people say they're not going to

[3:22:10] come to the event center, go to the

[3:22:12] casino, but as a casino, go. I agree

[3:22:15] with you.

[3:22:16] >> There's more weddings going on there.

[3:22:18] Uh, anyway,

[3:22:19] >> if you don't mind, can you give us the

[3:22:21] eight? I'm going to put that 3089

[3:22:24] >> and that's revenue H is in Henry

[3:22:27] >> H3

[3:22:29] >> A3089H

[3:22:34] it's right here

[3:22:35] >> on this page 12 yeah

[3:22:38] >> question when I asked you about that you

[3:22:41] said that was something we couldn't

[3:22:42] touch because it was a formula

[3:22:45] so I think everybody needs to hear that

[3:22:47] >> before we try to make

[3:22:49] >> that's what we've been told that we

[3:22:50] can't touch a number formula

[3:22:53] and we touch on that so that there's a

[3:22:54] formula. We don't have a concrete

[3:22:57] pattern of saying yes there's a formula

[3:22:59] on that

[3:23:00] >> and that was the question

[3:23:01] >> sometimes it goes up it keep going up

[3:23:03] every year

[3:23:05] >> but

[3:23:06] yeah so what is what is the basis for it

[3:23:08] changing how is it increasing because I asked that question we get

[3:23:12] >> more more uh

[3:23:13] >> visitors

[3:23:13] >> more visitors to the casino right now

[3:23:15] the our revenue

[3:23:17] >> more events more hotels

[3:23:19] >> so that means our revenue is based on

[3:23:22] >> what they take in so what is the formula

[3:23:24] that means there's a formula. So what is

[3:23:25] it?

[3:23:26] >> So that means we're anticipating more

[3:23:28] people coming

[3:23:29] >> and therefore there's a formula like

[3:23:31] instead of having I don't know how many

[3:23:33] people go there 50,000 last year we're

[3:23:35] going to have 75,000

[3:23:36] >> something that you can follow up with

[3:23:37] us.

[3:23:38] >> Yeah. See if we could uh find

[3:23:41] >> but can I just broken up by

[3:23:44] municipalities

[3:23:47] » actually I believe

[3:23:50] and the concessions was that received

[3:23:53] the full amount. Yes.

[3:23:54] >> And so I'm not disputing your amount. I

[3:23:57] just want to make sure that

[3:23:58] >> we're basing it on something concrete

[3:24:00] where we can get there.

[3:24:02] >> So is this time that we can ask a

[3:24:03] question of our commissioner? So my

[3:24:05] question is listening to everything that

[3:24:08] I just heard from my three colleagues.

[3:24:12] >> Why then I I'm going to say so where did

[3:24:16] we get the 4.1 proposed fee in the

[3:24:18] mayor's proposed budget? That was also

[3:24:21] based uh via conversations with the

[3:24:24] county.

[3:24:25] >> Okay.

[3:24:25] >> So there are numbers in line 4.1 for the

[3:24:28] city as well.

[3:24:28] >> Okay.

[3:24:29] >> Yeah.

[3:24:31] Stack number.

[3:24:32] >> Yeah. No, I got all conversations with

[3:24:33] them.

[3:24:34] >> So no offense to the conversations. Can

[3:24:36] we see something in black and white?

[3:24:38] >> Okay. Good.

[3:24:39] >> Just carry through your number all the

[3:24:41] numbers there as the proposal.

[3:24:43] >> Okay. And we'll follow up and see where is this formula or where is this

[3:24:48] narrative that's saying that this is our

[3:24:50] money.

[3:24:51] >> I'm going to be very cautious of the um

[3:24:54] CDBG money on A2178

[3:24:58] and a

[3:25:01] Wait a minute. Hold on. I got to go back

[3:25:03] to you.

[3:25:03] >> All because I would like to hear from

[3:25:06] Commissioner Farm and and Mr.

[3:25:09] as if they have anything in the pipeline

[3:25:12] going against that type of money.

[3:25:14] >> I don't know.

[3:25:16] >> I'm thinking if they have it back in

[3:25:17] 2020.

[3:25:20] >> Absolutely.

[3:25:22] >> If I may that the director

[3:25:23] [clears throat] was very clear that this

[3:25:25] money is not being brought out. This

[3:25:27] money is available there. It needs to be

[3:25:28] spent by mid next year or next year

[3:25:31] sometime. And if it doesn't, we are

[3:25:34] >> I have no issues with that.

[3:25:36] >> The whole idea was to all these invoices

[3:25:39] and then we have nothing for this.

[3:25:41] >> Again, I think that our commissioner

[3:25:42] would be able to kind of tell us that if

[3:25:44] there's unpaid invoices against that

[3:25:47] line from

[3:25:48] >> putting it in just like the next

[3:25:51] >> I think in my opinion we got the

[3:25:53] information from Miss Parker. However,

[3:25:54] >> if there's invoices Mr. Nuke,

[3:25:57] >> wouldn't it happen?

[3:26:01] » They would be in the system.

[3:26:04] >> We have that report.

[3:26:05] >> Part of that open PL report. Yeah, we

[3:26:07] had that report that you gave us.

[3:26:09] >> They would be actual stock as process

[3:26:13] get documents get the documents from

[3:26:17] >> you gave us a list of open fields and I

[3:26:19] didn't see any significant amount there

[3:26:21] from um

[3:26:22] >> what I'm sensing from this uh Miss Carba

[3:26:25] um

[3:26:27] you know presentation

[3:26:28] >> is that this money was set aside for

[3:26:30] salary and they were supposed to

[3:26:31] document every you know every aspect of

[3:26:33] the work. I am thinking that um it's too

[3:26:38] much

[3:26:39] of a work for the department. So they

[3:26:41] decide to draw them directly from the

[3:26:43] salary line instead of um yes

[3:26:47] and I will take the recommendation

[3:26:51] >> I I haven't

[3:26:57] question

[3:26:59] why they haven't used the money. Is that

[3:27:00] what you're saying? Well, I think they

[3:27:03] have anything they're going to put

[3:27:04] forward

[3:27:05] >> and the open P.

[3:27:07] >> But can this money

[3:27:09] get Can they really spend that far with

[3:27:12] that?

[3:27:12] >> Well, they can if they put invoices in I don't know. It's still money, you

[3:27:17] know, it's still available money before

[3:27:19] it has to be it's

[3:27:21] expensive or the ones that they try to

[3:27:24] spend it against those even

[3:27:30] » the employ

[3:27:35] because

[3:27:36] >> we didn't do our our

[3:27:39] put in

[3:27:41] you talked me into it. She said she's

[3:27:43] comfortable.

[3:27:44] >> She says she's comfortable, but ask the

[3:27:45] question.

[3:27:48] >> I'm sorry, but I I we danced at another

[3:27:50] place. How much are we talking about

[3:27:52] increasing that casino license fee

[3:27:54] behind 500?

[3:27:56] >> All right. [laughter]

[3:27:59] >> No, no. Please, this is this

[3:28:01] >> we are kind of going back and forth.

[3:28:02] >> This is where we we we need to make

[3:28:04] >> you tell me again what the casino line

[3:28:06] is.

[3:28:08] Mia,

[3:28:09] >> I just realized that I'm going to do the

[3:28:10] same thing.

[3:28:11] >> I got a I guess line is on page eight.

[3:28:16] >> Please please please

[3:28:19] trying to write down what she said to

[3:28:21] her.

[3:28:21] >> Well, hold on. She's trying to follow

[3:28:22] along. So, she's asking the page number

[3:28:24] so she can get so she can understand

[3:28:26] what Mr. Toro is saying. So, that's all

[3:28:27] I'm trying to do is give her the page

[3:28:28] number and I gave her the wrong one. So,

[3:28:30] if you give her the page number

[3:28:33] to call it the the A number

[3:28:35] >> and then we just jump to the page.

[3:28:37] >> Yeah. I'm sorry too fast. But

[3:28:39] >> if we're going to have a site

[3:28:40] conversation while Mr. Toro is talking,

[3:28:42] we're not going to get a new year.

[3:28:44] >> Okay.

[3:28:44] >> And and and a 1989 for seniors, I'm

[3:28:48] definitely thinking of finding $40,000

[3:28:50] somewhere to put it back in the

[3:28:52] >> 1989.

[3:28:54] >> Again, like I said,

[3:28:56] >> invaluable $4.99,

[3:28:58] >> you know,

[3:28:59] >> the um Hibernians, you know, I'm sure

[3:29:02] we've been there field trips out. Um,

[3:29:06] so, uh, you know, the these people go,

[3:29:09] it's it's they they they get a good

[3:29:11] meal. They don't have to worry about

[3:29:12] dinner for like four three, four or five

[3:29:15] dollars. Uh, the rest is funded through

[3:29:17] us and through capital, who runs the

[3:29:19] program outside of the hyper. So, I

[3:29:22] think it's extremely important to have

[3:29:24] something for our seniors. At least it's

[3:29:25] a little, it can't be like huge, but

[3:29:28] what we'd like to offer them,

[3:29:30] >> yes. Did you um sign anything for 2178

[3:29:33] and 217?

[3:29:35] >> Yeah. 202 and 206 since I guess if

[3:29:38] they've already spent taking the money

[3:29:39] out of

[3:29:40] >> general fund and spent it but I just

[3:29:43] don't understand

[3:29:44] >> and not utilizing the CDB they utilize

[3:29:47] other source of funding

[3:29:48] >> that bothers me but

[3:29:50] >> yes it does. That's what I feel like.

[3:29:53] >> Is it more like this outside here that

[3:29:54] we need to know?

[3:29:55] >> I'm going to have to say

[3:29:57] >> I can't keep up.

[3:29:58] >> Did all the paperwork

[3:30:00] >> and she's not there and no one's doing

[3:30:02] the paperwork and it's all got to be

[3:30:03] documented way up there with funding.

[3:30:06] >> The person who retired wonderful.

[3:30:09] >> So I'm done. Who's next? [clears throat]

[3:30:11] >> Who would like um Miss Patrick, would

[3:30:13] you like to go?

[3:30:14] >> No, I'm not. I'm just listening and I'm

[3:30:17] going to wait till I get my document on

[3:30:19] Friday back from Mr. Bugamok.

[3:30:22] >> So are we not we're not making no

[3:30:23] recommendation.

[3:30:24] >> Do you have anything?

[3:30:25] >> I'd have to go line by line. So please

[3:30:30] >> the uh so the allowance for collecting

[3:30:31] taxes you want to keep it the same

[3:30:35] >> cannabis excess tax. What was that? I

[3:30:37] missed that one.

[3:30:38] >> Can I keep that the same? No, I hope the

[3:30:44] wrong

[3:30:46] I can't find it now.

[3:30:51] » Can she didn't say Dorene didn't say

[3:30:54] >> it was 700,000. I was Oh, I didn't I

[3:30:57] didn't touch on canvas.

[3:30:58] >> No, you didn't. Mr. Min said, "Let's put

[3:31:00] it at 1 million."

[3:31:01] >> Right. Um

[3:31:04] >> John, she

[3:31:05] >> You're right. Let me see. I I definitely

[3:31:07] since uh year to date, we're almost

[3:31:09] there. So I So I guess I' I'd like to

[3:31:11] add $100,000 a cannabis.

[3:31:14] >> I don't think anymore.

[3:31:15] >> So DD800,000.

[3:31:17] >> A116.

[3:31:18] >> No, I'm just putting DD for you. 800K.

[3:31:21] >> Yeah. I'm sorry. Thank you, Sam. A116.

[3:31:28] I'm sorry. I'm very conservative.

[3:31:32] [laughter]

[3:31:33] >> I don't know how we're going to make a

[3:31:41] Are you Mr.

[3:31:43] >> Yes. Yes.

[3:31:44] >> Okay. Miss Patrick,

[3:31:46] >> I I need to be last because I don't I

[3:31:49] want to hear what everybody else is

[3:31:50] saying. So, Miss Porterfield would be

[3:31:52] next, right?

[3:31:54] >> Going in order.

[3:31:55] >> Are you ready?

[3:31:55] >> I called on you to to make any

[3:31:57] recommendation that you have.

[3:31:58] >> I'm not ready to do that.

[3:31:59] >> She's not ready. Morfield is ready.

[3:32:02] >> Yes, I am ready.

[3:32:06] [clears throat] I like

[3:32:09] to accept it.

[3:32:14] » Thank you.

[3:32:18] » You have it actually.

[3:32:20] >> I know you got it. I got it.

[3:32:23] >> It looks like Well, I can give you mine

[3:32:26] if you want.

[3:32:30] » So, [clears throat] yes. So, she's

[3:32:32] starting on

[3:32:36] >> it.

[3:32:39] » Okay, there we go. I got it.

[3:32:41] >> 1116.

[3:32:42] >> So, I wanted to the line 116. I should

[3:32:45] have put the lines in my email. Um, the

[3:32:47] cannabis line. I wanted to increase that

[3:32:50] by 100,000

[3:32:52] based on that the opening of new sites

[3:32:54] in 2025. However, now that Mr. um

[3:33:00] Mr. Ryan has said that we have two more

[3:33:03] that were approved.

[3:33:04] >> Yeah.

[3:33:05] >> Um I'm willing to go up to another

[3:33:07] 50,000 on that. So So to increase that

[3:33:09] by 150,000 line one

[3:33:12] six.

[3:33:14] >> Yep.

[3:33:16] >> Cuz now we have two stores open. All

[3:33:18] right. Um this I apologize when Miss

[3:33:22] Carver was here that I didn't I should

[3:33:24] have had it in front of me. Um she

[3:33:26] explained to me and Mr. very could you

[3:33:29] tell us what the demolition line is for

[3:33:33] >> it's a contingency but it's

[3:33:35] >> right

[3:33:37] um

[3:33:39] fan but it's under contingency

[3:33:42] >> so the $400,000 demo is under that

[3:33:45] >> I'm looking

[3:33:46] >> under contingencies

[3:33:47] >> yes it just see 400,000

[3:33:49] >> right so what say and we didn't do a

[3:33:54] double back there on this but we were

[3:33:56] having that conversation

[3:33:58] And she said there is CBBG money

[3:34:00] [clears throat] that is allowed for for

[3:34:02] um

[3:34:04] excuse me for demolition demolition. I

[3:34:06] think she talked about that.

[3:34:08] >> Right. So this would be offsetting

[3:34:12] that number by what's available in CDG

[3:34:14] and I again I apologize

[3:34:17] for that question. We need to know what

[3:34:20] that number is and how much would be put

[3:34:22] against the

[3:34:23] >> use the CPPG money that is

[3:34:26] >> Can we have that as a question please?

[3:34:28] >> Yes. I I just want to clarify too in

[3:34:30] past years um history wise um it's not

[3:34:35] only demolition so many things that come

[3:34:37] up the city is un unforeseen unaware of

[3:34:40] and

[3:34:42] >> so that's why

[3:34:46] so far

[3:34:49] » okay

[3:34:51] that do come depending on

[3:34:55] what happened

[3:34:57] >> so what I think we should look at how

[3:34:59] much we've used the demolition, how much

[3:35:01] it's available and reduce the line by

[3:35:04] because when I know when we were

[3:35:06] discussing that line, it was very clear

[3:35:07] demolition is the large part of it.

[3:35:09] >> So it's available only otherwise we

[3:35:12] should get it and I'll I guess I can

[3:35:14] text her but she might not want to hear

[3:35:15] from us.

[3:35:16] >> No, we'll follow up with a question.

[3:35:18] Miss Michael, can you please make a site

[3:35:21] number?

[3:35:22] >> It would be good if we knew the number.

[3:35:24] >> We do. It's like

[3:35:27] Mr. Williams put it on to reduce it

[3:35:29] >> 1989 485

[3:35:32] page 30

[3:35:34] >> page 30

[3:35:36] >> right and again J right now we did talk

[3:35:38] about this is $282,5001

[3:35:42] so

[3:35:44] we have to spend

[3:35:47] » we might [clears throat]

[3:35:49] 1989485

[3:35:54] » so what do you want that to be

[3:35:55] >> I'm sorry I I want to or Marian I'm

[3:35:58] sorry. Yes.

[3:35:58] >> I wanted to know how much

[3:36:01] we have spent. Well, I know how much we

[3:36:03] spent. What I want to know is how much

[3:36:04] was essentially for demolitions use out

[3:36:07] of this. How much is available from

[3:36:08] CDBG?

[3:36:10] >> I'm sorry.

[3:36:10] >> No, sorry. Go finish.

[3:36:12] >> And how much is available to CDBG and we

[3:36:15] could do reduce that line maybe not

[3:36:16] exactly the amount but to some level of

[3:36:19] that because if there's money that we

[3:36:20] can spend from CDBG

[3:36:22] which and and take it out of there, we

[3:36:24] want to have it here.

[3:36:27] Yeah. Before Before you proceed, Mr.

[3:36:29] Torah has a

[3:36:30] >> I did I did have to decrease that,000.

[3:36:34] >> Increase it or decrease that same line.

[3:36:37] >> Yes.

[3:36:37] >> Oh, yeah. Okay. I have 300 that 1989

[3:36:41] contingency

[3:36:44] >> down 300,000.

[3:36:45] >> It's on page um 30.

[3:36:47] >> Sorry. So, that is to recommendation.

[3:36:50] Okay. Thank you. So I may depending on

[3:36:52] what ma

[3:36:54] has to say my bloodre

[3:37:00] » 100,000 to 300,000 right Dorine

[3:37:03] >> yes back 100

[3:37:07] >> lower by 100

[3:37:10] so for me I would have to see question

[3:37:12] [clears throat] how much is available

[3:37:14] for us to be able to do that

[3:37:15] >> and maybe even

[3:37:20] there's a question going to be emailed

[3:37:22] out from this car.

[3:37:23] >> Right. I don't need to go over what

[3:37:26] other people said. Um but I did want to

[3:37:29] um

[3:37:30] >> well here, but I wanted to add back. Oh,

[3:37:32] no. That's we're not doing this. We're

[3:37:33] not doing that yet. How much I wanted to

[3:37:36] use the maximum fund balance allow to

[3:37:39] minimize tax increases including I

[3:37:42] understand the contracts that may be

[3:37:43] outstanding. So I'd like to know what

[3:37:45] that number would be.

[3:37:47] That's not exact

[3:37:53] 6.1 million minus 2 million budget. So

[3:37:55] it's 4.1

[3:37:57] >> and use all that.

[3:37:59] >> I have no idea.

[3:38:00] >> I didn't say all of it. I said the

[3:38:01] maximum. So you said there's

[3:38:03] >> the council used all that. They could

[3:38:06] >> I didn't ask what it says. What it says

[3:38:09] is the maximum when I say maximum fund

[3:38:13] available. Okay. Maybe we should expand

[3:38:15] on that. that doesn't um that we have to

[3:38:19] have like you said 15%. So it gets to

[3:38:21] the 15. What's that number?

[3:38:26] >> 15% of the general operation budget

[3:38:28] would be the number.

[3:38:29] >> So I I would like the number and and

[3:38:33] then you could um subtract out you said

[3:38:37] uh for the 300,000 for one contract

[3:38:40] >> and 600 for one.

[3:38:42] >> Well, we should that isn't that an

[3:38:44] executive session kind of things because

[3:38:46] they're still negotiating those

[3:38:48] contracts. Yeah, but we're just general

[3:38:51] guess

[3:38:51] >> he said guess

[3:38:55] » I think it's

[3:38:55] >> 15% of the operating 26 for be 18

[3:38:59] million

[3:39:02] » all on 18 million sign that's just 15%

[3:39:07] of it

[3:39:08] >> and all on signs

[3:39:10] >> we have to have 15 million so when's the

[3:39:13] last time we had that?

[3:39:15] >> We had 12 million last year until staff.

[3:39:18] >> So when's the last time we made 18? I

[3:39:21] mean, in one year, I'll just in in 2011,

[3:39:24] the mayor said he had 775,000 and he's

[3:39:28] okay with it. So let's ask him if he's

[3:39:30] okay with it again.

[3:39:32] That so it has to all be unsigned. It

[3:39:36] does not not it's not

[3:39:37] >> that's 50% general.

[3:39:40] >> Mhm.

[3:39:41] I think I gave you a packet from

[3:39:46] » uh let's see

[3:39:49] >> um said there's an example of 15%

[3:39:52] >> right and there's also an example there

[3:39:55] that says that um two months of

[3:39:57] expenditure is also what you could base

[3:40:00] it on since we don't have our own policy

[3:40:02] so there's more than one um

[3:40:04] >> I think the low was 5%

[3:40:10] And that's sold there's high over 15%.

[3:40:13] So it fluctuates.

[3:40:15] >> Well, I think we're going to have to use

[3:40:16] more of our fund down. So I'd like to

[3:40:18] see us be able to use what we can to to

[3:40:21] get this through place so we're not

[3:40:22] first of all exceeding our tax and also

[3:40:25] back. So

[3:40:29] that's I think everything else that I

[3:40:32] have um Oh, I did the cannabis right

[3:40:35] with Mr.

[3:40:37] >> Yes, you did. You said that

[3:40:39] >> increase the cannabis line by 100,000.

[3:40:42] >> Something

[3:40:42] >> 150.

[3:40:43] >> Yeah.

[3:40:44] >> Oh, 150.

[3:40:45] >> That's that's recommendation.

[3:40:47] >> Um after Mr. O'Brien.

[3:40:49] >> Oh, you changed. Okay. 15

[3:40:52] on my budget.

[3:40:57] Um,

[3:40:59] [snorts]

[3:41:03] » um,

[3:41:05] >> so I think that's it for my for the um

[3:41:08] >> revenue.

[3:41:10] >> The revenue side.

[3:41:13] >> Do you have any any expenditure you want

[3:41:16] to touch on? Yeah.

[3:41:22] » Just going back to fund bounce. Do you

[3:41:24] have a number

[3:41:26] >> over the 2 million that you're looking

[3:41:28] to utilize?

[3:41:30] >> No, I don't have any number. I want to I

[3:41:33] want something to you. What is the

[3:41:34] number that we um

[3:41:38] we can you say have 18 million um would

[3:41:42] be?

[3:41:47] in the package.

[3:41:54] » 15 would be above,

[3:41:57] » right? We don't have a problem. So

[3:41:59] that's what I'm saying. We don't have

[3:42:00] policy, right? We don't have a fun.

[3:42:05] Okay. All right. So we're kind of like I

[3:42:08] was saying yes, Mr.

[3:42:11] Um though

[3:42:13] I would like us to not be able to

[3:42:15] increase tax 17%. So I'm

[3:42:21] not supposed to have I don't know.

[3:42:28] » What did you say? What did you say?

[3:42:30] >> Somewhat of a question.

[3:42:31] >> That's right. service. So, and and some

[3:42:34] of this for me is going to be based on

[3:42:35] how much we can recapture here with all

[3:42:39] the different uh revenue changes that

[3:42:41] we're going to be doing. Then, how much

[3:42:43] we will need out of the funding. So, I

[3:42:46] would like to use the maximum

[3:42:48] we have to put these two things

[3:42:49] together. Are you following me so far?

[3:42:51] >> So, we have to put these two things

[3:42:53] together. How much we can increase our

[3:42:55] revenue, which has been some pretty

[3:42:57] significant I think. Um, and then use

[3:43:01] our fund balance to make up for that.

[3:43:04] So, not

[3:43:06] that that's my goal. Let just let

[3:43:07] everybody know that is my goal not to

[3:43:09] exceed the tax cap and to also not have

[3:43:12] a 17% tax increase. I don't want to say

[3:43:14] a percentage right now. I'd like it to

[3:43:16] be zero. Don't get don't.

[3:43:19] So I'd like to know what that what

[3:43:21] number would you be comfortable with?

[3:43:25] » Two million.

[3:43:28] >> What what's already the 2 million that's

[3:43:30] already in this budget is what you're

[3:43:32] comfortable with.

[3:43:33] >> That's what Okay.

[3:43:34] >> Okay. So it's not too many. 2 million is

[3:43:38] all we should spend.

[3:43:39] >> Correct.

[3:43:40] >> Okay.

[3:43:44] We don't have a lot left

[3:43:47] balance.

[3:43:53] » So right now

[3:43:56] >> no there's 621 we're utilizing

[3:44:00] homes that would be 4.1 available

[3:44:03] >> depending on union contracts that might

[3:44:05] be drastically changed. Then I said,

[3:44:08] "Okay, number

[3:44:13] three."

[3:44:14] >> No,

[3:44:15] >> plus three plus the one that you already

[3:44:18] in there.

[3:44:19] >> Okay. Wait, don't say I don't have to

[3:44:22] say I do that.

[3:44:22] >> So, uh, can you put that in the notes

[3:44:25] also?

[3:44:25] >> Mhm.

[3:44:26] >> Yes.

[3:44:27] um plus $1 million

[3:44:30] recommendation

[3:44:32] >> which brings us sort of I know we can't

[3:44:34] calculate it because of the contract two

[3:44:36] million that would leave us

[3:44:38] >> 3.1

[3:44:40] >> minus contracts

[3:44:42] >> so say two

[3:44:44] >> oh right

[3:44:45] >> maybe less

[3:44:49] » do you have any more

[3:44:50] >> well that I'll move to u

[3:44:53] >> let's see

[3:44:53] >> Mr. Harley and then uh So just to just

[3:44:57] kind of finish up this conversation that

[3:44:59] we all we always email.

[3:45:05] So just to finish up on the conversation

[3:45:07] in terms of the fund balance we've been

[3:45:09] hanging out there because my intent is

[3:45:11] that we would do that but we would be

[3:45:13] looking at again our pilots so that we

[3:45:16] can start and raise

[3:45:20] to um and we have two one expiring next

[3:45:22] year two expiring the following year. so

[3:45:25] that we could start um building up on

[3:45:27] Dund.

[3:45:32] » Thank you. So, so yeah, Mr. Letter that

[3:45:34] he did send to us. I think it's

[3:45:35] appropriate that that I read it. Um and

[3:45:38] I do want to make a note that the one

[3:45:40] expiring next year for

[3:45:43] uh State Street, what's the address

[3:45:46] there?

[3:45:47] >> Don't

[3:45:47] >> I know. Um

[3:45:49] >> mention that.

[3:45:50] >> Well, the one expiring next year, I'll

[3:45:52] just give you the date. Yes.

[3:45:56] » Um

[3:45:58] >> well the one exper

[3:46:02] 26 um that came off with time already

[3:46:08] it came off what it already came off

[3:46:10] this year

[3:46:12] then why it came off like it's going to

[3:46:15] come off.

[3:46:16] >> I know it it's already come off.

[3:46:18] >> And how would you know then? Um I

[3:46:20] suppose uh after received his email and

[3:46:22] all these um pilot um things from uh Mr.

[3:46:26] Gillan this morning, which is the first

[3:46:28] time that I've got to see them, um I did

[3:46:30] reach out to um our assessor and um uh

[3:46:37] receiver receiver foxes to go over um

[3:46:42] the pilots exactly how they how they

[3:46:44] worked. Each one is is so different.

[3:46:47] Each one is individual. Um some years,

[3:46:50] uh you know, sometimes they start out

[3:46:52] with no taxes and then after three years

[3:46:54] they start paying taxes and they they up

[3:46:57] most of them have to increase 5% until

[3:47:00] they um until they're at full rate. But

[3:47:03] >> so let me

[3:47:05] see what this is going.

[3:47:07] >> I started talking about how

[3:47:10] I started talking about quite a while

[3:47:12] ago. There was an email sent from which

[3:47:13] we all received and I followed up. I

[3:47:17] made it clear when we started this

[3:47:18] budget prospect that I'm not trying to

[3:47:20] get pilot to to um it's not for this

[3:47:24] year's budget but moving forward. So

[3:47:26] there's an implication that there's

[3:47:29] information that you're not receiving. I

[3:47:31] made it clear because I've been talking

[3:47:32] about pilots. I've been talking to I've

[3:47:34] been talking to too to

[3:47:36] [cough and clears throat]

[3:47:37] the assessor's office about it. And so

[3:47:40] until I'm ready to proceed where it's

[3:47:42] exactly,

[3:47:44] I don't feel like I need to like put

[3:47:46] give it out there. You have it now.

[3:47:48] That's fine because only because people

[3:47:50] asked for it. So this is something that

[3:47:52] I've been working on until we came to a

[3:47:53] final thing and waiting for the other

[3:47:55] information from Miss Maloy. We would

[3:47:59] have gotten we're here now because it

[3:48:02] was asked that Mr. um Gillan come he

[3:48:04] couldn't come and this this information

[3:48:06] came forward. So just to be clear about

[3:48:09] all of that in terms of me not having it

[3:48:12] somebody not having it again. How many

[3:48:15] times have I sat at this table and said

[3:48:16] I'm looking at pilots and I'm asking for

[3:48:18] information about pilots. So this

[3:48:20] doesn't impact this current budget. It

[3:48:23] impacts going forward in my mind and

[3:48:25] that's what I was working on and looking

[3:48:26] towards. So I just want to make that

[3:48:28] abundantly clear.

[3:48:29] >> All right. Go ahead.

[3:48:30] >> Thank you. That absolutely clear. Um but

[3:48:32] after last night's conversation um I

[3:48:34] thought that maybe there was one pilot

[3:48:36] that might be next to you, but it's

[3:48:38] already that they've already stuff. Mr.

[3:48:41] Gillum wrote and and I think we owe him

[3:48:42] an explanation. Uh good morning. I have

[3:48:45] a metroplex board meeting this evening

[3:48:47] at 5:30 p.m. So, I cannot attend the

[3:48:49] council meeting this evening. We sent

[3:48:51] the council a report of highlights on

[3:48:53] August 4th. We sent an updated report on

[3:48:56] 9:24 to Council President Porterfield

[3:48:58] and offered at that time to discuss any

[3:49:00] agreements. I have had no responses from

[3:49:03] any council member to either pilot

[3:49:06] report. Please note that the pilot

[3:49:08] report shows that 25 pilots put

[3:49:10] properties back on the tax roles that

[3:49:12] previously were taxexempt and paid zero

[3:49:15] in taxes. Please note that an additional

[3:49:18] 27 pilots allowed vacant buildings or

[3:49:21] sites that paid nominal taxes to

[3:49:23] generate new revenue. One council member

[3:49:26] at your meeting mistakenly said that the

[3:49:28] county attorney is involved in these

[3:49:30] agreements. That is not the case.

[3:49:32] There's a formal process that governs

[3:49:34] the adoption of any pilot, including a

[3:49:36] public hearing, public notice, and

[3:49:39] approval at our meetings, which are

[3:49:40] televised and are all open to the

[3:49:42] public. I would be happy to attend any

[3:49:45] future meetings and review any questions

[3:49:46] you have. These agreements have been

[3:49:49] powerful new revenue generators for the

[3:49:52] city, and we are very proud of our role

[3:49:54] in a dramatically improving the city and

[3:49:57] its tax base. Many other metrop projects

[3:50:00] like the casino do not involve pilot

[3:50:02] pilots yet generate millions in revenue

[3:50:06] for the city. When I sent the

[3:50:07] information back in August, I was hoping

[3:50:09] that I might receive some feedback but

[3:50:11] have received none to date. I am always

[3:50:14] willing to available to discuss any

[3:50:16] questions read. Um and in in response to

[3:50:21] that and speaking with u my assessor

[3:50:23] today um I did find out that a lot of

[3:50:25] these pilots on here especially certain

[3:50:28] kinds of uh pilots given this is I can't

[3:50:32] mention them um are looking for money

[3:50:36] and the money uh the city can't help

[3:50:39] these individual businesses

[3:50:42] um because of a rule called 85b under

[3:50:46] the business off. So anyway, that's why

[3:50:49] Metroflex steps into a lot of lot of

[3:50:51] these properties that have a pilot to

[3:50:54] help out the city to increase tax

[3:50:56] revenue, housing, and everything else.

[3:50:59] So I just thought that that we needed to

[3:51:01] at least respond to what we all sat here

[3:51:03] last night and talked about um the

[3:51:06] pilot. Yeah.

[3:51:07] >> And and there's more to And so

[3:51:08] furthermore, I and I think I also

[3:51:10] mentioned I was in touch with Miss

[3:51:12] Malroy and she was developing a report

[3:51:14] and she said it was going to take a

[3:51:15] while and I you know so I was and I

[3:51:19] talked to Mr. Holdingham since we want

[3:51:20] to discuss all of this. Um I talked to

[3:51:23] Mr. Holdingham and asked about you know

[3:51:25] getting the actual

[3:51:27] um agreements

[3:51:29] >> and she said

[3:51:31] and he said you get that from from Mort.

[3:51:34] So I asked for it. She told me it's

[3:51:36] going to take some time to put together.

[3:51:38] So I'm not going to give like half the

[3:51:40] information like okay or you know and

[3:51:43] not have all the information for me. Say

[3:51:45] it again. I was working on this didn't

[3:51:47] say it and maybe nobody was listening in

[3:51:50] terms of pilots because we need to take

[3:51:52] a look at that. And um if there's

[3:51:55] another report that I received that

[3:51:57] there's something called residential

[3:51:59] pilots. So, I'm not going to like get

[3:52:00] deep into it, but there are pilots where

[3:52:03] people are paying um based on the

[3:52:07] particular um development that the

[3:52:10] person who moves into it and I guess

[3:52:12] they're buying them in these particular

[3:52:14] ones that lowers their taxes. So, I need

[3:52:17] to get some clarity on how that works as

[3:52:18] well. And if you want to ask or feel

[3:52:21] about that, you can. there there are

[3:52:23] people who own or buy these condos that

[3:52:26] are being built and so the pilot passes

[3:52:28] on to individuals like where you are out

[3:52:31] that so I would have to say maybe

[3:52:34] there's no businesses that get it but

[3:52:35] there are some residential pilots I'm

[3:52:37] trying to get clarity on how that works

[3:52:39] >> thank you

[3:52:43] » okay

[3:52:44] so far can you recommendation

[3:52:48] [clears throat]

[3:52:50] brief

[3:52:52] Okay. So, first line is stage one 02

[3:52:56] uncollected factors. Um I'm in line with

[3:52:59] Mr. Varian suggestion. Uh reducing that

[3:53:03] 850. You said 800,000, right? But I said

[3:53:06] 850.

[3:53:07] >> Oh, you said 852

[3:53:09] million.

[3:53:09] >> That's fine. We're close.

[3:53:11] >> Go to 2 million.

[3:53:12] >> Huh?

[3:53:13] >> Yes. Yes. Wanted to go to 2 million

[3:53:14] which would

[3:53:16] >> uh that would show back up in our

[3:53:19] general fund. Okay. Uh, I'm sorry.

[3:53:23] >> Sure. A1 Z3.

[3:53:28] » Oh,

[3:53:30] so it's just that one's kind of weird

[3:53:31] because it's like a reduction. Okay.

[3:53:33] Next line. Uh, A16.

[3:53:37] That's the cannabis tax. Um, based on

[3:53:41] the conversation here, um, I would, uh,

[3:53:44] feel comfortable, uh, adding 150,000 to

[3:53:47] that.

[3:53:50] Um,

[3:53:54] » you know what? Sorry. Well, you you said

[3:53:57] 2 million for the first one that you

[3:53:58] were talking about, right? I'm sorry.

[3:53:59] I'm losing track here.

[3:54:00] >> It's okay.

[3:54:01] >> For a 102, you're saying

[3:54:05] >> that we should we should reduce that

[3:54:08] number

[3:54:09] >> to 2 million.

[3:54:10] >> Okay. Thank you. Yep.

[3:54:11] >> I'm sorry.

[3:54:11] >> Which would be a net what would be a

[3:54:13] gain of 850,000.

[3:54:19] » That

[3:54:20] Okay, moving on to cannabis, which is

[3:54:22] A116.

[3:54:26] » I feel comfortable increasing based on

[3:54:28] the conversations here tonight. I I feel

[3:54:30] comfortable basing raising that $150,000

[3:54:37] » 50.

[3:54:40] >> Okay. And now I'm going to go to uh the

[3:54:43] fines parking. Um and so after the

[3:54:45] presentation

[3:54:47] um I now there's there's a caveat here

[3:54:51] because I think we need to understand I

[3:54:53] need to be clear on if

[3:54:56] um then that is already included in the

[3:54:59] existing budget or not. Um and if it is

[3:55:02] not then I then I $440,000

[3:55:07] based on the formula that's that's

[3:55:09] strictly based on the formula um that uh

[3:55:12] the chief uh talked to us about today.

[3:55:14] >> Um and if not then I would be uh looking

[3:55:17] to increase that 220,000.

[3:55:21] >> May I before you proceed? Mhm.

[3:55:23] >> If you look at the 2025

[3:55:26] estimates on the 26 26

[3:55:30] times parking

[3:55:33] >> 2025,

[3:55:34] >> what page are you on just

[3:55:35] >> page 11? Okay.

[3:55:39] » Page 11

[3:55:42] of our regular budget.

[3:55:42] >> So 2025 we're carrying 910.

[3:55:46] They roll the same number into 2026

[3:55:49] because they did not factor in the new

[3:55:51] program that they're doing.

[3:55:53] This is a new program they just started.

[3:55:55] >> Okay. So, so

[3:55:56] >> that's what my understanding is. So,

[3:55:58] >> sure.

[3:55:59] >> So, the 910 they expect to do the same

[3:56:02] 2025

[3:56:04] 910 into 2026. But because of this new

[3:56:07] program, it's increasing the revenue.

[3:56:09] >> Sure. So, so

[3:56:12] >> yeah, if you look at you look at two

[3:56:14] 2025 and 202. It's absolutely

[3:56:17] >> increase from 910 to plus 910 plus 400.

[3:56:23] >> So I guess my only question then is they gave us

[3:56:28] see I'm I'm adding that uh 440,000 based

[3:56:32] on the formula that you gave us that you

[3:56:35] that you've given as well. But they and

[3:56:38] they told us that that that

[3:56:44] um that that is what created this

[3:56:46] program that they're doing gave us the

[3:56:49] 220,000 to begin with. So if that's the

[3:56:53] case, then I would number I would wonder

[3:56:54] how where they would get that

[3:56:56] information from. You see what I'm

[3:56:57] saying? So in other words, they're

[3:56:58] saying that it's 910 910. But if they

[3:57:01] didn't include it,

[3:57:03] then they were just telling us numbers

[3:57:05] that only they know is what you're

[3:57:07] saying.

[3:57:07] >> That's correct. That's what the sheet

[3:57:09] is.

[3:57:09] >> Okay.

[3:57:10] >> They have an internal proposal of this

[3:57:12] is what they intend certainly to

[3:57:13] increase to increase revenue.

[3:57:15] >> Sir, so for my numbers, I would I would

[3:57:17] agree and based on the formula because

[3:57:19] that's the number I got to up to

[3:57:21] $440,000

[3:57:23] in the case that it's not included. If if we misunderstood it, then I would be subtracting that in

[3:57:29] half. So you think can just Sure. Keep

[3:57:32] me. So you're saying

[3:57:35] >> is does the 910 include the 440? Is that

[3:57:40] what you're saying?

[3:57:41] >> That's what you want to know.

[3:57:42] >> Yeah. So I want to know I want to be

[3:57:44] really clear as to

[3:57:46] if if this new program because what the increase is based on the program.

[3:57:51] They're saying that this many um uh

[3:57:55] sessions equal $220,000,

[3:57:59] right?

[3:57:59] >> Mr. Mudarian understands it as yes,

[3:58:02] that's correct, but that's not reflected

[3:58:04] in in in this existing budget. So, and

[3:58:08] he said, "So, let's double it, which

[3:58:10] would be

[3:58:11] >> which would be 440." However, if it is

[3:58:13] included, then I would say if we double

[3:58:16] it, then it would only then it would uh

[3:58:18] go to 220s, not to 440. So, so my

[3:58:21] contingency is if it's if it's there, if

[3:58:23] it's included and we double it, then add

[3:58:27] 220,000. If it's not included, then we

[3:58:30] double it, then add 440,000.

[3:58:32] >> So, do you

[3:58:35] has a different There's been

[3:58:37] >> I could send an email to the chief.

[3:58:38] Okay.

[3:58:39] >> And clarify.

[3:58:41] >> Sure.

[3:58:42] >> Go from there. Simple as

[3:58:44] >> Yeah. So, I just thought the easiest way

[3:58:46] to do it would just give my numbers in

[3:58:47] both case

[3:58:48] >> scenario. I think you're right.

[3:58:51] >> Sure.

[3:58:53] >> Okay. And so then I go um I'm just going

[3:58:57] to go where I'm different at now. Uh for

[3:59:01] our CBDG money. So my understanding is

[3:59:05] 200 200k. That's line A1621

[3:59:09] is where we'll be adding that money. So

[3:59:12] when I say adding, we would be adding

[3:59:14] this money to that line. Meaning that

[3:59:16] the money that's in the existing line

[3:59:18] now would go back to our general fund

[3:59:20] for 200,000.

[3:59:22] >> Okay. Are you saying are you

[3:59:24] regularizing? Are you

[3:59:25] >> That sounds like an expense, right?

[3:59:26] >> So, no, no, no, no, no. So, so to be

[3:59:28] clear, um I'm talking about what Miss

[3:59:31] Barber presented with us.

[3:59:33] >> She presented us with uh 200 I believe

[3:59:36] it was $2,000 in one case.

[3:59:39] >> Huh?

[3:59:40] >> You said 2,000 for $200,000.

[3:59:42] >> Yeah. Yeah. You And then the next one

[3:59:44] cost $26,000. If if I'm correct,

[3:59:47] >> they were both 200 and 200.

[3:59:49] >> They both one was two

[3:59:52] >> 20.

[3:59:56] So So you give me your reading again

[3:59:58] down there.

[3:59:59] >> First one 2178

[4:00:01] was 22,000.

[4:00:03] >> Mhm. [clears throat]

[4:00:03] >> And the second one a 217 C was 26,000.

[4:00:07] >> Okay. Correct. That's what I got. So

[4:00:10] >> Okay.

[4:00:10] >> Sure. So, so what I'm s So I'm

[4:00:13] suggesting that so that would be I can't

[4:00:16] just we can't just add that to to

[4:00:19] revenue in order for us to access that

[4:00:21] fund. We have to we have to put this 2002,000

[4:00:26] into line A1621

[4:00:30] and then the money that's existing in

[4:00:32] that would go back to our our general

[4:00:34] thous.

[4:00:36] It's not A16, but I think it would have

[4:00:38] to

[4:00:40] you have to put it into an

[4:00:41] >> expense.

[4:00:42] These revenue lines have announcer

[4:00:45] state.

[4:00:47] >> Okay. I I I guess I was I'm doing the

[4:00:49] math cuz she said it had to be in this

[4:00:51] department in order for accesses, but

[4:00:52] that's more operational stuff. So, so I

[4:00:54] would just add those to the line.

[4:00:56] >> You just added to those 217.

[4:00:59] >> Yeah. So, so I would increase the

[4:01:02] revenue lines about 202,000. in one case

[4:01:04] and 206,000

[4:01:07] in and up. Right.

[4:01:08] >> 2170A, I think you wanted to do 202.

[4:01:11] >> Mhm.

[4:01:12] >> And 2170C, I think you're saying

[4:01:14] >> 206. That's correct.

[4:01:17] >> Okay. I just want to write that in my

[4:01:18] paper.

[4:01:24] » Going to move on to the next one.

[4:01:26] >> Yeah, please.

[4:01:26] >> Okay.

[4:01:28] Listen, man. Y'all got to calm down a

[4:01:29] little bit. All right.

[4:01:32] Are you put together for us?

[4:01:34] >> I just I just

[4:01:41] I'm just using

[4:01:44] >> Yeah. Yeah. I'm not a

[4:01:46] >> Yeah. Yeah. I Yeah. I'm I'm almost done.

[4:01:49] Y

[4:01:50] >> No, we almost done. Okay. So, um line

[4:01:53] A3089H

[4:01:55] the casino.

[4:01:57] >> Um

[4:01:58] >> Okay.

[4:02:00] I'm I'm with uh I agree I agree with Mr.

[4:02:03] Turo and increasing that line. Um she

[4:02:07] had it at 500.

[4:02:09] Is you had that 500, right? I'm just

[4:02:11] saying two. I'm saying 200.

[4:02:13] >> Okay.

[4:02:14] >> Yeah.

[4:02:14] >> Please tell me the line again. I'm

[4:02:15] sorry.

[4:02:16] >> No, no, no. It's all right. It is

[4:02:18] A3089H.

[4:02:20] Right. Did I say that right?

[4:02:22] >> 3089H is 89H. Okay. Okay. You're saying

[4:02:26] what? And I'm saying increase that by

[4:02:28] 200,000.

[4:02:32] I want to say 500 too, Dorian, but I

[4:02:34] can't quite get there. I

[4:02:35] >> I know. I know. I'm hopeful.

[4:02:37] >> Yes. Okay. Now, we're going to go I'm

[4:02:39] going to go to uh the sales of houses.

[4:02:43] That is line A2660A.

[4:02:51] » Please.

[4:02:52] >> Okay. I'm I want to make sure

[4:02:53] everybody's there, man. All right. to

[4:02:55] >> we spend more time doing it and usually

[4:02:57] that just pops out of Oh, 2660.

[4:03:00] >> Yes. Okay. Got there. So, I'm I feel

[4:03:03] comfortable increasing that line.

[4:03:04] $500,000.

[4:03:08] » So, okay. 3,500.

[4:03:10] >> So, you want to go to 3.5 million.

[4:03:12] >> $500,000.

[4:03:14] Correct.

[4:03:18] or our

[4:03:20] mortgage tax increase.

[4:03:25] I I so this is I have a question mark

[4:03:27] here

[4:03:28] >> because I I want to get uh Mr. Min could

[4:03:31] you just give me a little bit your

[4:03:32] reasoning on that again.

[4:03:35] Okay, the

[4:03:37] is based on the trend that's happening

[4:03:39] in connectivity. We've seen the house price escalated over the last

[4:03:44] two years that the sale price is far

[4:03:47] higher than 3 years ago.

[4:03:49] >> Absolutely.

[4:03:49] >> So the mortgage is more higher.

[4:03:51] >> So in that case a municipality will

[4:03:54] generate more

[4:03:57] revenue mortgage tax revenue

[4:04:00] >> and [clears throat] that's how I'm

[4:04:00] factoring that.

[4:04:01] >> Sure. So, as the house price keep

[4:04:04] rising, the mortgage keep going up, the

[4:04:06] [clears throat] taxes keep going up for

[4:04:07] us.

[4:04:08] >> That's Yeah, that's what we discussed

[4:04:09] yesterday. Yes.

[4:04:11] >> Okay. And I was And now was the two

[4:04:13] properties that are um

[4:04:16] wrapping up soon. The two high value

[4:04:18] properties was that that wasn't

[4:04:20] attributed to that.

[4:04:21] >> That is two different

[4:04:22] >> that was sales because we talked about

[4:04:24] that,

[4:04:25] >> right? But we sure can. Yes. Two

[4:04:28] different house sales.

[4:04:29] >> Absolutely.

[4:04:31] >> Because of why my number went up that

[4:04:32] high.

[4:04:33] >> Oh, no. I know why.

[4:04:34] >> The mayor is looking at Okay, we have

[4:04:36] two big projects that you know happen.

[4:04:40] >> Mhm.

[4:04:40] >> Where that [clears throat] sort of is

[4:04:41] going to happen this year.

[4:04:42] >> So those two more likely roll over into

[4:04:45] next year

[4:04:46] >> and we're looking for high numbers

[4:04:47] there. So you have three million

[4:04:49] >> and they hope they're saying that okay

[4:04:50] it's going to happen this year. It's not

[4:04:52] going to happen. So that money needs to

[4:04:53] roll over into next year. So that's all

[4:04:55] factor 1.5 million.

[4:04:56] >> Yes. So

[4:04:57] >> it's going to happen next year

[4:04:58] >> and that based on

[4:04:59] >> because we only have two once more

[4:05:00] connected.

[4:05:01] >> I thought you said 1.4 million but

[4:05:02] you're saying 1.5 million.

[4:05:04] >> Yes. 1.5 million.

[4:05:06] So, so for that line, I just wanted to

[4:05:08] make sure that that um so for that line

[4:05:10] based on what uh Miss Carver was saying

[4:05:12] and I and you know, I figured those two

[4:05:14] property sales going through can uh make

[4:05:18] a huge difference, but being that we're

[4:05:19] not exactly sure where they were fall, I

[4:05:21] just felt a little I went a little more

[4:05:22] conservative at 500,000 on that one.

[4:05:25] >> So, so instead of 9508

[4:05:28] Yeah, I just wanted to reference that.

[4:05:30] So, no, that I did something confusing.

[4:05:32] That's fine.

[4:05:32] >> So, go back to your mortgage.

[4:05:33] >> Okay. So, so

[4:05:35] yeah. So, uh, so for a mortgage tax, um,

[4:05:38] I felt comfortable increasing that

[4:05:40] $200,000.

[4:05:43] >> So, that would be, uh, 1

[4:05:48] >> A30005.

[4:05:49] Yes. $200,000.

[4:05:53] >> So, that would be 1.2.

[4:05:57] Right.

[4:06:08] And oh, bus patrol.

[4:06:14] Let make sure I got that line right.

[4:06:17] >> That's That's A2610B,

[4:06:20] right? And

[4:06:22] >> and like Nancy part. Yeah. So,

[4:06:27] being that there's uh $600,000

[4:06:30] out there, I was I felt comfortable um

[4:06:33] in saying agreeing like if we could

[4:06:36] collect a third of that, I'm pretty

[4:06:37] confident that just a third of that

[4:06:39] would get us to $200,000. So, that's

[4:06:41] where I was at on that line.

[4:06:44] Increased of $200,000 to 600 le just

[4:06:48] being successful collecting a third of

[4:06:51] that.

[4:06:53] >> Yeah. very conservative.

[4:06:54] >> Huh?

[4:06:55] >> We're very conservative.

[4:06:58] » I say you have money.

[4:07:02] » Okay. I say you want her. All right. And

[4:07:05] um so and the last thing uh as far as

[4:07:13] our golf

[4:07:15] listen, I was faster than all of y'all

[4:07:17] by the way. Just so you know. I'm like

[4:07:19] going record time compared to her album.

[4:07:21] So

[4:07:21] >> no more.

[4:07:22] >> Okay. Hey, listen. I'm just saying. All

[4:07:24] right. Didn't All right. So, so uh the

[4:07:28] so our golf our golf reserve which is

[4:07:31] CR9950

[4:07:33] for the golf reserve there. Could you

[4:07:35] help me understand that again? Because I

[4:07:36] want to make sure that I'm understanding

[4:07:39] that because what I see is I was

[4:07:42] suggesting that that golf reserve money goes into

[4:07:48] the the capital fund but for the golf

[4:07:52] course particularly that's how I

[4:07:53] understand that.

[4:07:55] I'm looking at revenue I believe.

[4:08:00] » Are you looking at the transfer from

[4:08:03] >> have to do is there have to some

[4:08:04] increase the golf fun

[4:08:09] which they usually um capital and then

[4:08:14] Chris in January. So they have to figure

[4:08:17] out what's $150,000 increase and you go

[4:08:20] to your expense line that transfers to

[4:08:23] the trans

[4:08:25] by 150.

[4:08:26] >> Mhm. [clears throat] So yeah, cuz cuz

[4:08:29] right now it says let me see where

[4:08:32] >> Let me make sure I'm I'm in the right

[4:08:33] place here. [clears throat]

[4:08:36] >> Trying to find it.

[4:08:37] >> Yeah, it's it's like in the back here.

[4:08:38] So

[4:08:39] >> that has the golf

[4:08:45] under.

[4:08:47] >> Yeah. Page 90 is the transfers for golf.

[4:08:50] >> Right. So if you look at the bottom of page 90

[4:08:57] >> right where it says I'm looking at

[4:09:01] >> transfer to capital fund.

[4:09:04] >> So in 2023 it was 213,000. It would be the uh general fund looking

[4:09:11] for youth.

[4:09:12] >> No no no no no use is covered.

[4:09:14] >> You're maybe

[4:09:17] CR990191

[4:09:20] general fun.

[4:09:23] >> Yes. Yes it is. Yes it is. So listen. So

[4:09:26] let me follow my train of thought if you

[4:09:28] care for a second. So what I'm saying is

[4:09:30] that

[4:09:32] on line CR9950498

[4:09:37] that says transfer to capital fund. Now

[4:09:40] when it when we say transfer to capital

[4:09:42] fund that's transfer to the golf course

[4:09:45] capital fund correct or is that the city

[4:09:47] that

[4:09:47] >> that goes into the office? So it's the

[4:09:49] reserves

[4:09:50] >> the reserves for

[4:09:52] >> for the golf course

[4:09:55] you

[4:09:55] >> overall overall.

[4:09:57] >> It's not just for the golf course. Yes.

[4:09:59] It's just for the golf course,

[4:10:00] >> right? It's just for the golf course.

[4:10:02] >> We can't use We can't use capital money

[4:10:04] for youth.

[4:10:05] >> No, no, no. Yes, we can. No, no, no.

[4:10:06] You're not what I'm saying. So, no, no.

[4:10:08] What this how I understand it that there

[4:10:11] is a reserve fund or a a capital fund.

[4:10:14] So, in other words, a portion of

[4:10:16] revenues that the golf course makes,

[4:10:19] they take that money and put it into a

[4:10:21] line for their only their specific

[4:10:23] capital fund. Correct. So, so we

[4:10:26] >> can access that money.

[4:10:28] >> Sure.

[4:10:29] >> The reason why we can't use other

[4:10:30] capital fund money is because we borrow

[4:10:32] that money to do capital projects.

[4:10:35] >> This is money that's coming into the

[4:10:37] city that is earmarked for the golf

[4:10:38] courses capital fund.

[4:10:40] >> So, what capital fund would you do with

[4:10:42] that money?

[4:10:43] >> So, what I'm suggesting is that if we if

[4:10:46] we look at it in two in in 2023 it was

[4:10:49] 213,000

[4:10:51] 2024 it was 160,000. So I was saying

[4:10:54] that 150,000 that I think that that's a

[4:10:59] fair

[4:11:01] >> but it's capital.

[4:11:02] >> No, you're No, you're No, you're wrong.

[4:11:05] >> No, you're it's not.

[4:11:07] >> I hear you. It's general fund money, but

[4:11:09] it's capital fun. No, it's not. It

[4:11:10] doesn't become capital until they spend

[4:11:12] it on their own.

[4:11:13] >> It's not. So what they're doing,

[4:11:17] please finish. Let please. So, so I, so

[4:11:22] I think the fact that mayor, I think the

[4:11:24] fact that it says transfer to capital

[4:11:26] fund is kind of what might be throwing

[4:11:28] you off.

[4:11:28] >> It's not throwing it off at all because

[4:11:29] I see the transfer to the general fund.

[4:11:31] >> Exactly. That's right.

[4:11:32] >> From the Gulf, right? That's from Gul.

[4:11:34] >> Okay. All right. So, all right. Is it

[4:11:35] not?

[4:11:35] >> Yes, it is. So, so listen to what I'm

[4:11:38] saying. I'm going to use a hypothetical

[4:11:40] number here just so the math is a lot

[4:11:42] easier. Okay. Say the Say that the golf

[4:11:45] course makes $200,000 in revenue.

[4:11:50] $100,000 of that revenue goes into our

[4:11:53] general fund is what is is the line

[4:11:55] you're talking about.

[4:11:57] >> Then the golf course takes another the

[4:11:59] other $100,000 and transfer that into

[4:12:02] their own capital of the fund

[4:12:05] >> which actually could be money that goes

[4:12:08] into the general fund. This is not

[4:12:12] >> Are you follow You see what I'm saying

[4:12:13] now?

[4:12:14] >> Yeah. That's what's happens right there.

[4:12:18] I have I have a question for the

[4:12:19] commissioner because

[4:12:21] >> historically the c the golf fund has

[4:12:24] always been for lack of a better term a

[4:12:26] lock box. It goes way back because you

[4:12:29] know of improvements that needed to be

[4:12:32] done they weren't done and they wanted

[4:12:33] to create a dedicated funding stream so

[4:12:36] [clears throat]

[4:12:38] any you know the fees of the golf course

[4:12:40] would be generated to deal with golf

[4:12:42] course improvements and maintenance.

[4:12:44] >> Yes. Yes. Okay. So, so is the golf is

[4:12:48] the golf fund transferring money to the

[4:12:50] general fund?

[4:12:52] >> And every year, every year there's a

[4:12:55] certain amount that we transfer over to

[4:12:57] the golf to the general store um to see

[4:13:01] the budget.

[4:13:03] >> A certain amount of capital fund money

[4:13:05] so we don't end up borrowing for capital

[4:13:09] projects that

[4:13:11] we mark a certain amount. So we don't

[4:13:14] suggest dipping into that.

[4:13:16] >> That's fine. What I'm saying is that the

[4:13:19] restrictions when we when we're talking

[4:13:21] about capital money in any other place

[4:13:23] in this budget, those are funds that we

[4:13:26] cannot that we have very tight

[4:13:28] restrictions that we have,

[4:13:31] right? That's law. This capital money is

[4:13:37] only capital money because we're calling

[4:13:39] it capital money, but it really could go

[4:13:41] into the general fund.

[4:13:43] right or wrong. Can I ask a question

[4:13:45] because my understanding has always been

[4:13:48] for all the years that I've been on

[4:13:49] doing this that that is what we're doing

[4:13:53] on page

[4:13:56] >> 90

[4:14:04] more about this than I think anyone

[4:14:07] he just

[4:14:08] >> I just have one question that's all

[4:14:10] >> I just want to ask this one question

[4:14:13] because But

[4:14:14] >> I thought if you look at page 90

[4:14:17] >> I am

[4:14:18] >> I thought that the transfer to the

[4:14:20] general fund, the transfer to the water

[4:14:21] fund and the transfer to the sewer fund

[4:14:23] is coming from golf fund.

[4:14:25] >> It is.

[4:14:26] >> Yes. So we already are taking the golf

[4:14:28] money and putting it into those three

[4:14:31] funds. And if you look also we're not

[4:14:33] taking any money and putting it into a

[4:14:35] capital fund for this year. Go ahead.

[4:14:38] >> No, it just because we don't know we are

[4:14:40] going to take money put into a capital

[4:14:41] fund.

[4:14:41] >> Well, because we don't have the funding.

[4:14:42] just don't have the money.

[4:14:44] >> They don't know if we're going to have a

[4:14:46] surplus,

[4:14:46] >> right?

[4:14:47] >> That's right.

[4:14:49] That's why you see a budget amount of

[4:14:52] adopted for 2021.

[4:14:53] >> Correct.

[4:14:56] Commissioner, the transfer to the water

[4:14:58] and sewer fund is because the facility

[4:15:01] uses water for sewer. Correct. So

[4:15:03] therefore, it's representing the pay as

[4:15:05] you go.

[4:15:08] So that's what comes you're getting

[4:15:09] those transfers not just for bookkeeping

[4:15:12] purposes. It's representing the use.

[4:15:15] >> Correct.

[4:15:15] >> So the capital fund transfer is the

[4:15:19] money that will be used for capital

[4:15:22] project

[4:15:24] at at the golf course.

[4:15:25] >> Yes.

[4:15:26] >> So that is that money has been generated

[4:15:29] from the fees of of golfers. Right.

[4:15:33] >> Correct. So, and therefore in keeping

[4:15:36] with the lockbox mentality, why the very

[4:15:38] fact that we have a separate line items

[4:15:41] for the golf

[4:15:42] >> has to be kept separate. Is that is that

[4:15:44] >> No, it does not happen.

[4:15:45] >> Is that from No,

[4:15:47] >> from my understanding through years past

[4:15:49] that's how it's always been done.

[4:15:51] >> I'm not asking how it's always been

[4:15:52] done. I'm asking is that do we are we

[4:15:54] legally obligated to do it that way?

[4:15:56] >> And I you know have to I don't have to I

[4:15:59] can't even answer right now. I have to

[4:16:01] look at

[4:16:02] >> He wants to talk.

[4:16:03] >> Yeah. I'm going to have to take a look.

[4:16:04] You know, it's the gospel and what

[4:16:07] created it was very it's in our code. I

[4:16:11] think the commissioner got

[4:16:14] but the idea is it was a lock box for

[4:16:17] capital improvements because it was

[4:16:20] under the the golf course force was

[4:16:22] going in a certain negative direction

[4:16:26] and that that was way the council at the

[4:16:28] time wanted to go and create a fund for

[4:16:31] separate from the general fund. So, can

[4:16:34] I ask one question about the more you're

[4:16:35] trying to get? Is there a reason that

[4:16:37] you wouldn't look at the transfer to the

[4:16:39] general fund for that money?

[4:16:41] >> Because the transfer to the general fund

[4:16:43] for that money is already in the general

[4:16:45] fund. Sorry, there

[4:16:47] >> he's looking for more money.

[4:16:49] >> So, in other words, of course, I

[4:16:52] >> No, no, I know not.

[4:16:53] >> We all are, right? Don't we just do that

[4:16:55] or am I missing something? We all said

[4:16:58] move. But, Right. So, that's what I'm

[4:16:59] doing. and then have the golf course

[4:17:01] borrow the capital instead of funding

[4:17:04] their own

[4:17:04] >> if or No, no, no. I understand what

[4:17:06] you're saying. Or

[4:17:07] >> but that's what you're getting at.

[4:17:08] >> Or or maybe 76,000 more.

[4:17:11] >> Or maybe we just recognize that we just

[4:17:13] invested $3 million of ARPA fund into

[4:17:16] the golf course just last year. And

[4:17:18] recognizing that we put three $3 million

[4:17:21] into the golf course fund that there is

[4:17:24] no lockbox fund. We're calling this

[4:17:27] capital funds, but these but these funds

[4:17:29] are not under the same restrictions that

[4:17:31] other capital funds are because we're

[4:17:33] borrowing capital funds for capital

[4:17:35] projects. This is city revenue that that

[4:17:38] we're holding aside for capital projects

[4:17:41] uh strictly for the golf course. And I'm

[4:17:44] saying that we just put $3 million in

[4:17:46] the golf course and this is not the year

[4:17:47] to be doing that.

[4:17:50] >> I understand Mr. I think I think I think

[4:17:52] [clears throat] the description needs to

[4:17:53] be changed because that is revenue that

[4:17:55] is coming in from the Gulf Coast.

[4:17:57] >> Thank you.

[4:17:57] >> And they're trying to hold that money.

[4:17:59] The surplus is being used to help with

[4:18:04] projects within the Gulf Coast. So it's

[4:18:06] revenue.

[4:18:08] >> Exactly.

[4:18:09] >> Like back out expenditure surplus. They

[4:18:12] hold it in there for future project.

[4:18:15] >> That is not capital. It should be

[4:18:16] capital project. It's for capital

[4:18:18] project. But it's not capital.

[4:18:20] >> But it's not capital money. Exactly.

[4:18:22] >> So let's So that description needs to be

[4:18:25] changed.

[4:18:25] >> Well, they they they've been using it

[4:18:27] for capital. What I'm saying the same

[4:18:30] way that Mr. Williams is suggesting that

[4:18:31] we're not borrowing all of this money

[4:18:34] for capital projects in other places

[4:18:36] because that's going to impact the city.

[4:18:38] What I'm saying is that this is a fund

[4:18:41] that has been called something and

[4:18:45] operating something other than what I

[4:18:48] believe it is to Mr. Mood very

[4:18:50] importance. But I'm saying that this is

[4:18:51] money that's accessible to us. We and

[4:18:54] being that I don't think that that's a

[4:18:55] tall order. We just it is. Absolutely it

[4:18:58] is.

[4:18:58] >> But we're not going to use it. We're not

[4:19:00] touching it.

[4:19:00] >> Well, I think we should.

[4:19:02] >> I just And you got to stay away from

[4:19:04] giving them 3 million because we handed

[4:19:06] out a lot of ARPA money. But no, I'm not

[4:19:08] talking about anything back from people.

[4:19:10] >> Of course we are. The whole point of us

[4:19:12] investing into the golf golf course.

[4:19:14] >> Well, to increase revenue

[4:19:17] so we get right. So when we need revenue

[4:19:19] >> back into the

[4:19:22] So are we are we are we not going to

[4:19:24] talk about each other?

[4:19:25] >> No. No. So I raise my hand. Please

[4:19:29] hold on. Finish off your finish off your

[4:19:31] presentation, please. Please. You

[4:19:34] finished?

[4:19:35] >> I'm done.

[4:19:37] No, but you had

[4:19:39] >> Can I just add something to your

[4:19:40] presentation?

[4:19:41] >> Sure. I'm

[4:19:42] >> so Because when um Matt Daily was here,

[4:19:44] he was and we were he was talking about

[4:19:46] different ways. He came up with a

[4:19:48] scenario where they would do uh any bank

[4:19:50] or something to raise that extra money,

[4:19:51] charge people whatever is a whole

[4:19:54] >> or how sporet

[4:19:58] have that money definitely dedicated to

[4:20:01] the service program. So I just want to

[4:20:03] just bring that back to the

[4:20:05] conversation. Sure. There was he did

[4:20:07] introduce a possibility of a way to get

[4:20:09] done what you're trying to get done,

[4:20:11] which is I guess another 150, right?

[4:20:13] >> No, I'm not. No, I'm not. What I'm

[4:20:15] trying to what I'm trying to increase

[4:20:17] revenues. What I'm saying is that we

[4:20:19] found the money for the youth program.

[4:20:21] We still have to find money well for

[4:20:23] multiple things. But I'm saying that that this money going back into the

[4:20:27] general fund can support the senior

[4:20:29] program and the rest of the money can go

[4:20:32] back into the general fund to support

[4:20:35] other things is what I'm saying. We and and I think it's it's being that we

[4:20:41] did invest $3 million into the into the

[4:20:44] golf course is because it's supposed to

[4:20:47] generate revenue for the city. This is city revenue money that we that

[4:20:52] is all is being earmarked for things and

[4:20:56] it's acting like it's restricted in this

[4:20:58] lock box. But there is no lock box for

[4:21:00] this money. This is city money and we

[4:21:01] should have access to it and put it into

[4:21:03] our budget as we see fit.

[4:21:04] >> It is not restricted.

[4:21:06] >> This is not guaranteed though. That's

[4:21:08] why it's not

[4:21:09] >> my my number of account.

[4:21:11] >> Sure. my my number 150,000 is based on

[4:21:14] the last two years of reporting where

[4:21:16] one was 213 213,000 and then last year

[4:21:19] was 160,000. So that's how I justify my

[4:21:22] 150,000.

[4:21:23] >> What what they've been is doing over the

[4:21:25] year is the surplus. They hold on to the

[4:21:27] surplus to help with their project

[4:21:28] within the golf course. So it's more of

[4:21:31] money there to kind of like carry them

[4:21:32] on into doing different projects. Yeah.

[4:21:35] But um

[4:21:36] >> I know what they

[4:21:37] >> It's uh it can be used for any other

[4:21:39] purpose,

[4:21:40] >> right? That's what I'm saying.

[4:21:42] >> Mr. Farley is saying

[4:21:43] >> and what I'm saying

[4:21:44] >> and I'm saying being that we are

[4:21:46] >> correct. Being that we just invested $3

[4:21:48] million in that

[4:21:49] >> into that golf course, $150,000 coming

[4:21:52] back into city revenue should not be a

[4:21:54] problem. All right, I'm done.

[4:21:56] >> Okay. I guess I want to say that again.

[4:22:00] The reason we put $3 million into the

[4:22:03] golf course was because

[4:22:06] the golf course is one of the true

[4:22:09] revenue drivers. It makes money. Every

[4:22:12] year we increase the fees that we charge

[4:22:15] to people who come and use the golf

[4:22:17] course. And I also want to always say

[4:22:19] I'm not a golfer. I don't use the golf

[4:22:21] course, but I am chair of help and

[4:22:22] recreation. So, I do look at all the

[4:22:25] parks and the golf course in my work as

[4:22:29] a city council person. So, what I've

[4:22:31] learned over the years, it is a revenue

[4:22:33] driver. If I just want to remind you, if

[4:22:37] we didn't put that revenue back into the

[4:22:40] golf course, we would have to find that

[4:22:43] we would have to find money to pay the

[4:22:45] expenses for all the maintenance and

[4:22:48] improvements to the golf course every

[4:22:49] year. So the golf course is

[4:22:51] self-generating

[4:22:53] what it then uses to maintain its golf

[4:22:57] course. Our golf course is widely

[4:23:00] recognized throughout the capital region

[4:23:03] from people who are members of like

[4:23:05] private clubs where they play a zillion

[4:23:07] dollars to be in these private clubs as

[4:23:09] one of the jewels of the city of

[4:23:11] Skenctity. We're we're were recognized

[4:23:14] because of things like Central Park and

[4:23:16] how fabulous all the options at Central

[4:23:18] Park are. how fabulous our golf course

[4:23:21] is. So, I would argue against using golf

[4:23:24] money for anything but the continued

[4:23:27] maintenance and improvements of the golf

[4:23:29] course and the $3 million in ARPA

[4:23:31] funding that we used. I just want to

[4:23:34] remind everybody that for years we've

[4:23:37] had a manual system where they literally

[4:23:40] had to go around and turn spiggots in

[4:23:44] order to irrigate the golf course when

[4:23:48] the $3 million paid for a

[4:23:51] state-of-the-art irrigation system that

[4:23:54] now, like many things in our lives, can

[4:23:56] be controlled even by a phone um to

[4:23:59] irrigate our system. Otherwise, you'd

[4:24:01] have staffing. You'd have all sorts of

[4:24:04] other things that you would have to do

[4:24:05] in order to maintain the pristine nature

[4:24:08] of the golf course for which we also

[4:24:10] charge residents and non-residents to

[4:24:13] play golf. Um, so I would not touch and

[4:24:17] we already use money for other unless

[4:24:21] I'm reading this wrong or have been

[4:24:22] reading it wrong for five and a half

[4:24:24] years. Um, we use money from the golf

[4:24:28] course into other funds.

[4:24:30] >> Yeah. But you're you are reading it

[4:24:31] wrong because we use money for the other funds.

[4:24:35] >> Because we using water, right? So

[4:24:38] >> as Mr. Can we allow one to talk,

[4:24:41] [clears throat] please?

[4:24:42] >> Yes, I was finishing my

[4:24:44] >> I thought she was responding to me. So I

[4:24:46] was responding to her. Sorry,

[4:24:49] >> before before you um cooperation

[4:24:52] council, let me let [clears throat] me

[4:24:55] go back into the into the golf and

[4:24:59] you're saying that um the golf course is

[4:25:03] generating revenue.

[4:25:06] The golf course is generating enough

[4:25:09] revenue to sustain themselves.

[4:25:12] >> I said

[4:25:12] >> they're not generating revenue to bring

[4:25:14] into the general fund.

[4:25:15] >> I I think I said that.

[4:25:16] >> No, no.

[4:25:18] self was self- sustaining.

[4:25:20] >> So they are not they are not the what

[4:25:22] we're trying to say okay we generate

[4:25:24] millions of dollars in revenue and we're

[4:25:26] putting it in the BMR fund they are

[4:25:28] generating enough money to keep them

[4:25:30] afloat.

[4:25:32] >> Yes.

[4:25:33] >> I was wrong with my last

[4:25:34] >> so I Yes. So I want to clarify that

[4:25:36] because if you look at the revenue

[4:25:37] there's nothing else coming into the

[4:25:39] general fund to say that we make 2002

[4:25:42] [clears throat] $200,000 $300,000 and

[4:25:44] we're putting that into general fund and

[4:25:46] then we can say oh there's a surplus and

[4:25:48] here goes general fund take this

[4:25:50] $250,000.

[4:25:52] This course is sustaining itself based

[4:25:56] on expenditure and revenue. whatever

[4:25:59] surplus they receive get every year

[4:26:02] remain to that department to help them

[4:26:04] with projects. So they they break they

[4:26:06] break even on this project on this golf

[4:26:08] course,

[4:26:09] >> right?

[4:26:09] >> So there's no excessive revenue. So when

[4:26:12] we use the term that they're generating

[4:26:14] revenue, they're generating revenue from

[4:26:17] being paid themselves.

[4:26:18] >> Okay,

[4:26:18] >> I want to clarify that because that

[4:26:20] perception out there that all the golf

[4:26:22] course are bringing in millions of

[4:26:23] dollars and

[4:26:24] >> they are bringing in money to help

[4:26:25] themselves

[4:26:26] >> and the money that I'm talking about

[4:26:29] The money that I'm ident that I have

[4:26:31] identified isn't even money to keep them

[4:26:33] up and running. That's money that they

[4:26:35] use for future capital projects. And I'm

[4:26:37] saying in in the budget that we're

[4:26:39] facing after investing $3 million,

[4:26:41] that's money that can be put to better

[4:26:43] use to them. and Mr.

[4:26:45] We're gonna have to uh we I mean the

[4:26:48] finance department in legal are going to

[4:26:50] have to see whether that's legally poss

[4:26:53] legally possible for you know pursuing

[4:26:55] to the code and uh as well as how that

[4:26:58] fund was created fiscally.

[4:27:00] >> Yes, please.

[4:27:04] >> Um so Mr.

[4:27:06] >> Yes, please. And and so I agree with

[4:27:08] that because part of the reason that

[4:27:10] you're seeing water, sewer, and golf, um

[4:27:13] I don't know the in this particular

[4:27:16] legislation, but the reason they're

[4:27:17] broken out in the budget in the um

[4:27:20] budget like that is they're supposed to

[4:27:21] be able to sustain yourself. So you're

[4:27:23] supposed to whatever you take in is what

[4:27:25] you need to pay out to do that. So, I

[4:27:27] don't know the um the or the um

[4:27:31] ordinance that was made to promote golf

[4:27:33] fund, but it may speak specifically to

[4:27:35] that to say that. So, that's what

[4:27:37] they're going to look to. And that's why

[4:27:39] which is also why I'm just throwing in

[4:27:41] here now. We should really be doing the

[4:27:42] same with waste because we're only

[4:27:44] supposed to expend waste what we pay in.

[4:27:46] So, that is why that is like that. So,

[4:27:48] there may be there may be um the

[4:27:52] organizing document for for the golf

[4:27:54] course that says we can't do that. I

[4:27:56] think we have to look at it and make

[4:27:58] sure

[4:27:59] >> that's why the partnership council is

[4:28:00] making a recommendation they will look

[4:28:02] into it and get back to us in terms of

[4:28:04] can we do this

[4:28:05] >> can we not do it

[4:28:06] >> but I guess my point is that if there's

[4:28:09] think if there's documents saying that

[4:28:12] we can't do that we can certainly

[4:28:15] overturn that and do that as this

[4:28:17] council is what I'm saying that's within

[4:28:19] our perview to do that

[4:28:22] >> I don't know the answer to that I do

[4:28:24] this. Yes.

[4:28:29] » I'm not I'm not gonna be

[4:28:32] >> limitations. We can't do that.

[4:28:35] >> This

[4:28:36] >> Yes, absolutely.

[4:28:36] >> No, no. Take appearance. It takes all

[4:28:40] that stuff.

[4:28:40] >> Yeah. Any any other expenditure you have

[4:28:44] for the best?

[4:28:45] >> I'm I'm I'm just going to do revenue.

[4:28:48] >> Yeah, I'm done with revenue. That's it.

[4:28:51] Uh

[4:28:52] please um the email from uh Oh, I did

[4:28:56] email my expenditure stuff. I just

[4:28:58] >> Oh, so thank you.

[4:29:00] >> Yeah, I just just in to just in time. I

[4:29:02] didn't to respect time. I didn't want to

[4:29:04] so we I'll just be really quick and I

[4:29:06] said that I was saying that we should do

[4:29:07] a 3% raise across for all management. Um

[4:29:14] and we should not have any uh stipens.

[4:29:18] And I think that we should have uh a

[4:29:20] free a citywide $10,000 pot of money for

[4:29:23] people when they are in at our most um

[4:29:26] extreme circumstances where they have to

[4:29:28] stay late or come in that that money

[4:29:31] should be drawn out of that $10,000

[4:29:33] pocket and that should be for um

[4:29:36] essentially citywide. Everyone else

[4:29:38] that's non-contractual needs to you know

[4:29:40] kind of manage their manage their time

[4:29:42] and flex their time. Um but I don't

[4:29:44] agree with not giving any raises which

[4:29:46] why I'm saying. I think the fairest

[4:29:48] thing to do would be a 3% flat raise

[4:29:51] because that's really to stay afront of

[4:29:53] inflation and the way things are going

[4:29:55] right now if we don't do that it

[4:29:57] wouldn't be it would almost be like a

[4:29:59] pay reduction because of the where

[4:30:01] inflation is right now that 3% is is

[4:30:04] the three things you have there can you

[4:30:06] please go one by one a little um so they

[4:30:08] capture you talked about um um typing

[4:30:13] >> yes so what so in email what I said is

[4:30:15] that we have So if you look through this

[4:30:18] didn't need an exact budget line because

[4:30:20] it's across departments that and there's

[4:30:23] different raises where there's 8% 12%

[4:30:26] for varying reasons that we all heard.

[4:30:28] >> What I'm saying is that non-contractual

[4:30:30] meaning that we are not contractually

[4:30:32] obligated to give anyone more than 3%.

[4:30:35] Then everyone across should get a 3%

[4:30:38] raise. Um so everyone gets you know the

[4:30:41] same thing that's that we're that we're

[4:30:44] allowed to do and And

[4:30:48] so that should uh increase uh uh revenue

[4:30:51] right there and as well that should uh

[4:30:54] decrease expenditures I should say.

[4:30:57] >> And also um the stipens and out of grade

[4:31:01] paid anything that's non-contractual I

[4:31:03] think needs to come back in as well.

[4:31:06] >> Yeah, that's why I wanted to make sure

[4:31:07] we capture that. So you want to have a

[4:31:08] stipen if it's not contractual you want

[4:31:10] to remove.

[4:31:11] >> Yes. and then had a single which I was

[4:31:15] >> two there two stipens I think

[4:31:16] >> and like out agreed pick anything that's

[4:31:18] like a stipen or you're going to be here

[4:31:21] later I think that

[4:31:22] >> when I was looking through the budget

[4:31:23] they're I I know that they're not the

[4:31:25] exact same thing but they're but they're

[4:31:27] described

[4:31:28] >> differently but I think they're

[4:31:29] relatively similar

[4:31:31] >> and then you're asking to create a a

[4:31:33] >> a single single line for

[4:31:36] >> maybe 10,000 and yeah for the for the

[4:31:39] and maybe it needs to be a little more

[4:31:40] than that but just for those people who

[4:31:42] are like this is an absolute emergency.

[4:31:44] You have to come in here to save the

[4:31:46] city. So you put your cape on at 2

[4:31:48] o'clock in the morning. Yeah, we need to

[4:31:50] have some money there for that. But it

[4:31:51] should only happen in those very extreme

[4:31:52] certain.

[4:31:53] >> I want to make sure you know that

[4:31:54] everything is captured.

[4:31:55] >> I appreciate that.

[4:31:56] >> Documented into our into our proposal

[4:31:59] for

[4:32:01] when it comes to out of pay um and

[4:32:04] people have job descriptions and they do

[4:32:06] things outside of their pay outside of

[4:32:09] their job description. Don't we have

[4:32:10] that side?

[4:32:12] >> Yeah. How do we pay for that when

[4:32:14] they're doing things

[4:32:17] paying

[4:32:20] >> that's contractual right?

[4:32:21] >> That's for you know satire pay is for

[4:32:24] you know for contract employee I mean

[4:32:27] >> you know the the unionize employees you

[4:32:31] know they have certain job functions

[4:32:32] assigned to their title. They're asked

[4:32:34] to perform they can they can perform

[4:32:37] those functions but by the same token

[4:32:39] they can file the grief and ask to be

[4:32:41] compensated for the add is duties

[4:32:42] [clears throat] that they're doing with

[4:32:44] their

[4:32:45] and and that's contractual employees

[4:32:48] correctly

[4:32:49] >> right that's what I said what I mean

[4:32:51] when you mean contractually meaning the

[4:32:53] CSA

[4:32:56] those unioniz employees yes if there's

[4:33:00] always if they're being asked to go

[4:33:02] outside to do work um and they have to

[4:33:05] be compensated

[4:33:07] >> as that side of work or there's a

[4:33:08] grievance and

[4:33:10] >> um so

[4:33:11] >> as they should and that's in their

[4:33:13] contract is what I'm saying. Yes.

[4:33:14] >> So, so this would not uh talk about

[4:33:17] anything that's in their contract. I

[4:33:19] understand that we have to work within

[4:33:20] the parameters of the contract.

[4:33:21] >> So, I mean what you're looking for is is

[4:33:24] management

[4:33:26] outside of the contractual agreement.

[4:33:29] >> Yes. I said you asking to

[4:33:33] >> I refer to them as non-contractual staff

[4:33:35] and I'm saying outside of the agreement

[4:33:37] employees instead of having these

[4:33:40] stipens they would discuss you to have

[4:33:43] just this pool of money as stipen

[4:33:47] for for

[4:33:49] [snorts]

[4:33:51] hours beyond what their regular work

[4:33:53] hours are. I mean that you know

[4:33:55] >> so be mindful that you don't get into a

[4:33:57] position [clears throat] where it's just

[4:33:59] a undefined amount of money and needs to

[4:34:02] pay you know pay certain individuals and

[4:34:06] not pay other individuals

[4:34:07] >> you know has to be parameters and how

[4:34:10] it's

[4:34:12] >> so yeah so so to be really clear what

[4:34:15] I'm saying is this is that if you go

[4:34:16] through the budget and you go to certain

[4:34:18] departments you have and again let's

[4:34:20] exclude our union workers okay we're not

[4:34:23] talking about them. That's why I put

[4:34:24] that language in in the email. What what

[4:34:27] you have is that uh manager in this

[4:34:29] department

[4:34:31] um of 8% raise manager over here 12%

[4:34:37] raise and then a whole bunch of 3%

[4:34:39] raises and then an 8% raise. I

[4:34:42] completely understand why it's

[4:34:43] happening. I understand and heard the

[4:34:45] reasons why it's going like that. What

[4:34:47] I'm saying is that in this situation

[4:34:48] that we're that we're in, give everyone

[4:34:50] the flat 3% raise to make sure that we

[4:34:53] uh are accounting for their uh inflation

[4:34:56] and cost of living rise. And you also

[4:34:59] have a stipen in this department for

[4:35:02] 10,000 8,000 over here for this

[4:35:05] department. What I'm saying is that you take that number and shrink it to

[4:35:09] the very extreme situations where we

[4:35:12] need people and we could talk about what

[4:35:14] that number is. And I think that we have

[4:35:15] a one line for that because we have some

[4:35:18] departments that have statements for

[4:35:20] $8,000. Some departments that have no

[4:35:22] statements, some managers requesting a

[4:35:24] 12% raise, some managers uh requesting a

[4:35:27] 3% raise. So, so what I'm saying

[4:35:30] instead, and I know Mr. Mudam was

[4:35:31] saying, you know, no raises right now,

[4:35:34] you know, based on the situation we're

[4:35:36] in, and I understand his logic. I'm

[4:35:38] saying that I'm willing to say we need

[4:35:40] to give people a raise so quickly so

[4:35:42] they can have their their in cost of

[4:35:45] living increased rates but that's it.

[4:35:46] >> Just for some input reason why somebody

[4:35:49] disagree with or increase their certain

[4:35:51] percentage because there's union members

[4:35:53] that are making more than

[4:35:54] >> I understand. No individuals probably

[4:35:57] not going to stay with the city member

[4:36:00] underneath them is making more. I I I

[4:36:02] understand that. Um, but [clears throat]

[4:36:04] this is what we this is what's in our

[4:36:07] private right now. If I could have go

[4:36:10] into union negotiations and do it, then

[4:36:12] maybe but this right now we're not

[4:36:14] working with that. That's why when we

[4:36:16] always identify, oh, why is this person

[4:36:18] getting that? They say, "Oh, it's

[4:36:19] contractual." We go, "Okay, moving on."

[4:36:21] Because we understand that that right

[4:36:22] now is not within our permit. That's

[4:36:24] been a negotiated contract. We can't go

[4:36:26] back in and do that. What I'm saying is

[4:36:28] that instead of saying no one gets a

[4:36:30] raise, everyone gets the same raise at

[4:36:32] 3% due to the place that we're in.

[4:36:35] That's what I'm saying.

[4:36:39] Would that be at the discretion of the

[4:36:40] mayor? How it's distributed?

[4:36:44] >> 3% raise across.

[4:36:45] >> No, no, no. I'm talking about the

[4:36:47] 10,000, you know, the pool of money. How

[4:36:49] would that been distributed?

[4:36:50] >> Well, I think that there's going to

[4:36:51] there's there's some variables there. I

[4:36:52] said 10,000. Maybe it's going to be

[4:36:54] more, right? And maybe the mayor can and

[4:36:56] the mayor maybe the mayor works with us

[4:36:58] and say well this position

[4:37:01] you know is the 911 oh my goodness

[4:37:04] coming in for this position but this

[4:37:06] position people just usually come and

[4:37:08] present to city council. So if you're

[4:37:09] just coming to present to city council

[4:37:11] in that case then you can flex your time

[4:37:13] the next day but then you know then make

[4:37:15] sure that you know then it would be a

[4:37:17] operational thing but I'm just not okay

[4:37:20] with not giving anybody any reason. I I

[4:37:23] just want to say when my son-in-law work

[4:37:24] for folks I mean they go out on any fire

[4:37:26] and that goes in there and you know to

[4:37:28] expect it like the mayor said the other

[4:37:30] night you know I want somebody who's

[4:37:32] going to get get up put their coat on we

[4:37:34] have a water man break 2 3 in the

[4:37:35] morning so there are certain departments

[4:37:37] that I I think deserve

[4:37:40] >> um and again under those guidelines I

[4:37:43] mean I can't take away city clerks

[4:37:45] because um I mean she does they do go

[4:37:48] above and beyond uh 24 hours a day when

[4:37:51] needed. I

[4:37:52] >> um

[4:37:52] >> because of New York state laws what has to be there but those those I think

[4:37:57] your stipen need to remain in those

[4:37:59] departments but that's just me we'll

[4:38:01] talk about it

[4:38:02] >> yeah that's what two that's a proposal

[4:38:04] from everyone that's that's what it so

[4:38:06] I'm going to Mr. Uh William sent this uh

[4:38:10] recommendation. So can you please take

[4:38:12] that email and incorporate it into the

[4:38:14] proposal?

[4:38:17] >> You're saying 10K for

[4:38:20] >> 10K is just a number that's out there.

[4:38:22] It's extremely

[4:38:25] >> you have to put it between each fund

[4:38:27] because we have management in water,

[4:38:29] sewer, golf

[4:38:31] >> in general. So you would have to have

[4:38:33] five maybe I don't know 10 10.

[4:38:35] [laughter]

[4:38:35] So, so maybe the number would be this

[4:38:37] number, but then you're just saying has

[4:38:38] to be divided across departments, right?

[4:38:40] That's what you're saying.

[4:38:41] >> Depends how many more managements are on

[4:38:44] another. I don't know how to split that

[4:38:45] out.

[4:38:47] >> Okay. Well, I I think that just from

[4:38:49] input, if we can look at what the

[4:38:51] stipens have been spent

[4:38:53] in previous years, the same way we use

[4:38:56] this historical data to make our

[4:38:58] projections now, I think that that

[4:38:59] wouldn't be any different here.

[4:39:03] Yeah, I'm happy to. So, well, let's just

[4:39:07] back up back there. So, Mr. William

[4:39:09] recommendation, please incorporate that

[4:39:10] into the proposal that comes to the

[4:39:12] proposal. And if there's any

[4:39:13] clarification needed, we can reach out

[4:39:15] to Mr.

[4:39:23] » Oh,

[4:39:26] I'm sorry. I didn't hear you. So just so

[4:39:28] we have better clarification how to put

[4:39:30] this in uh format that we understand.

[4:39:33] >> Sure.

[4:39:34] >> You want to take the general water

[4:39:35] sealer and have all the stipens the

[4:39:37] general fund put that in water.

[4:39:42] >> What I'm looking for is we could look at

[4:39:44] the historical data of like so the last

[4:39:46] three years what lines have been you

[4:39:49] know how much money have been spent

[4:39:51] drawn down from the stipens and what

[4:39:52] department. I think that that will

[4:39:53] better help inform

[4:39:56] what that number should look like and

[4:39:58] how we could do it and and are we and I

[4:40:01] guess yeah they would be required to be

[4:40:03] ahead.

[4:40:06] » Okay.

[4:40:07] >> Yeah.

[4:40:09] >> So we have the email from Mr. Williams

[4:40:11] and we're going to add that into the

[4:40:13] proposal

[4:40:14] >> everything

[4:40:15] >> for the expenditures.

[4:40:17] >> Mr. Williams

[4:40:18] >> he sent his own presentation.

[4:40:21] >> We have copy for that. Okay. I want to

[4:40:23] make sure that we we accept this. Um any

[4:40:28] emails from anybody else?

[4:40:31] No.

[4:40:32] Um,

[4:40:35] one thing I did send in the mail in

[4:40:37] terms of the um I think that um my my

[4:40:41] recommendation is to um

[4:40:44] to continue we make a recommendation to

[4:40:47] support the mayor's um support the

[4:40:50] mayor's um hiring phrase into 2026

[4:40:54] and also any new hire that is not grant

[4:40:57] funded we should also put that out on

[4:41:01] old and revisit into next year. So I

[4:41:04] will make that recommendation

[4:41:07] uh whatever victory we have with the

[4:41:09] Slav central or grant funded we should

[4:41:11] continue to hold it high ranking figures

[4:41:14] for that as the mayor had hold this year

[4:41:17] uh into next year and all new hires

[4:41:21] that is not funding

[4:41:25] if it's not

[4:41:26] >> vacant.

[4:41:28] Nice added to my um thought.

[4:41:34] It's all over you now.

[4:41:36] >> Yeah. So, I really need to go through

[4:41:38] this um and I'm too tired right now to

[4:41:40] do it, but given the information that we

[4:41:42] learned tonight, I will try to do some

[4:41:44] recommendations before Friday. Um I'm

[4:41:46] happy to just look at what you all just

[4:41:48] did and I'll, you know, when we get the

[4:41:51] Excel spreadsheet back um with the the

[4:41:54] proposed city council changes, I will I

[4:41:57] will look at those. going to have to

[4:41:58] revisit it, right?

[4:42:00] >> No, I'm going to just work off that

[4:42:01] document because I just I just can't I

[4:42:04] know. I just I just I'd have to go

[4:42:06] through my my way of thinking is I'd

[4:42:08] have to like look at everything. So, I

[4:42:10] want to look at everything that you all

[4:42:12] just said. I do want to say that I

[4:42:14] completely agree with you that I want to

[4:42:16] support the hiring freeze. Everything

[4:42:18] that you just said would be things that

[4:42:20] I would support as well, Mr. McLaren,

[4:42:22] that I think the hiring freeze needs to

[4:42:24] stay in place. I don't think that we

[4:42:26] should be, you know, I think we need to

[4:42:29] not necessarily do the new hires. Um,

[4:42:33] so I'm I'm right with you on that,

[4:42:35] >> Miss Michael. Um, we're not going to

[4:42:37] have a budget Friday. So, can we put a

[4:42:40] um a notice out to capture someday next

[4:42:43] week because I was expecting us to

[4:42:44] present our proposal today so that we

[4:42:47] give it to the commissioner of finance

[4:42:49] so he can present to us Friday. From the

[4:42:51] time we arrive at 5:30, we're going to

[4:42:54] start go through all proposals side by

[4:42:56] side and say, "Okay, here are we. Are

[4:42:59] you in agreement with John? Are you

[4:43:01] agreement with Mr. Toro?"

[4:43:02] >> You kind of start debate that say, "You

[4:43:04] know what? I agree with Mr. Toro. Don,

[4:43:07] we're not agreeing with you. Let's move

[4:43:09] forward." Now, we're going to have to

[4:43:10] come down. We're going to have to go

[4:43:11] through that the entire budget again to

[4:43:14] for your proposal.

[4:43:18] 5 hours.

[4:43:18] >> That's not what I'm saying. That's not

[4:43:20] what I'm saying. I just wanted to hear

[4:43:21] what all of you all had to say. I'm

[4:43:24] going to just I mean, in other words,

[4:43:26] what you're saying is that they're not

[4:43:27] they're going to have to give us back a

[4:43:29] document on Friday that has what you

[4:43:31] suggested, what you suggested, what

[4:43:33] >> everyone suggested. All five of us

[4:43:36] except you.

[4:43:38] >> Okay. I thought we were going to see

[4:43:39] something on Friday incorporating all of

[4:43:41] the count. I I don't know. I mean, I

[4:43:44] guess

[4:43:44] >> you could send it in if you needed to. I could, but I'm just saying I'm happy

[4:43:49] to review just based on what this

[4:43:51] conversation was tonight. I mean, the I really do feel I do support the hiring

[4:43:56] free. I can give you a couple of general

[4:43:57] comments, but I do want to look back at

[4:44:00] everything we just discussed.

[4:44:02] >> Are you I thought you were making notes.

[4:44:04] >> I was, but if you want, I can go through

[4:44:06] it right now. If you all want to stay,

[4:44:08] I'll just do it right now and look at my

[4:44:10] notes that I was taking while I'm

[4:44:11] sitting here. So, let's see. I would um

[4:44:16] if you want to start right on page um

[4:44:19] eight

[4:44:21] um

[4:44:24] » I don't think I want to change the

[4:44:26] allowance. Are we still I don't want to

[4:44:28] change the allowance for collected

[4:44:30] uncollected taxes because I think that

[4:44:32] um I'd have to go back through my

[4:44:34] paperwork but I believe that the

[4:44:35] recommendation from the finance

[4:44:36] commissioner was that that figure 2850

[4:44:40] is probably too low. So, I would stay

[4:44:42] there for that one. Um, in terms of the

[4:44:49] um

[4:44:51] cannabis one, um

[4:44:57] I would be okay with um I'm look I'm

[4:45:00] trying to I have to go back and look at

[4:45:02] the um

[4:45:03] >> maybe if you like take some maybe start

[4:45:05] with John's email both of those lines.

[4:45:08] >> Excuse me.

[4:45:09] >> It might help just for you to reference.

[4:45:11] Well, thanks. I hear what you're saying.

[4:45:12] >> Yeah.

[4:45:13] that was the document I was

[4:45:15] looking at was John's John's document

[4:45:17] because that was the only one that he

[4:45:18] had, I believe,

[4:45:19] >> in advance of coming in.

[4:45:22] Um,

[4:45:25] yeah, I'd be okay with doing the 150 up

[4:45:28] in the cannabis. Um,

[4:45:32] I have to find John's email again.

[4:45:40] Here's

[4:45:47] the Here's John.

[4:45:54] was increasing cannabis by

[4:45:56] $300,000. I believe

[4:45:59] um

[4:46:05] on that one,

[4:46:07] Joe's going to a million. Dorene's going

[4:46:10] to 800,000. Demani was going to 850 and

[4:46:13] Miriam was going to 850. Um I will say

[4:46:18] um 850.

[4:46:21] So that is A116.

[4:46:25] >> Okay. You have a question?

[4:46:26] >> I think it was just it doesn't matter

[4:46:28] what we were doing. So you put

[4:46:29] >> I'm just listening but I was listening

[4:46:31] to all of you and listening to the

[4:46:32] arguments. I listen to the police.

[4:46:34] >> Absolutely.

[4:46:35] >> This is this is not about matching us.

[4:46:37] No, I know this is the

[4:46:39] >> I know I'm making I am making my own

[4:46:43] I think I just I kind of process

[4:46:45] differently.

[4:46:47] >> So you're making a decision based on all

[4:46:48] the information that you heard.

[4:46:50] >> I am I am.

[4:46:51] >> So that's what I was saying. I think

[4:46:53] that it's not too much for you to take

[4:46:55] that and go through it and then send it

[4:46:57] him. We would have it if you send it to

[4:46:59] Sam and then that would be easier.

[4:47:01] >> I could do it tomorrow.

[4:47:03] >> I definitely couldn't do it when I go

[4:47:04] home now.

[4:47:04] >> Right. Um, but I can actually I mean I

[4:47:07] do I agree with what Mr. Mutarin is

[4:47:10] saying. I will say I came in here

[4:47:11] tonight to say yeah same thing hiring

[4:47:14] freeze needs to continue. Um I don't

[4:47:16] think we should be necessarily filling

[4:47:19] vacant vacancies

[4:47:21] um or adding new positions but again I

[4:47:23] want to make sure that I'm you know

[4:47:25] looking across the board at those and I

[4:47:27] think that's what you just said right

[4:47:28] Mr. Min. Um so I kind of agree with that

[4:47:31] one. Um, there's one other place where I

[4:47:35] wrote a note that I would suggest.

[4:47:38] Oh, there was one. Oh, yeah. The bus

[4:47:40] patrol. I really want to stay with the

[4:47:41] 400,000 on the bus patrol. So, that is

[4:47:45] line 2610.

[4:47:49] I think we should stick with the 400,000

[4:47:51] there.

[4:47:53] >> So, I have a question regarding that.

[4:47:55] So, so you're not taking into into

[4:47:58] consideration the $600,000

[4:48:00] that is not that outstanding revenue

[4:48:03] that they didn't account for in the

[4:48:05] budget and we heard that from the chiefs

[4:48:08] and that's what

[4:48:09] >> well I asked I asked them I actually

[4:48:11] asked the question tonight whether they

[4:48:13] thought the 400,000 was realistic and

[4:48:15] they I wrote myself a note actually they

[4:48:17] said yes the 400,000 was the realistic

[4:48:19] number

[4:48:20] >> but it does not factor in the

[4:48:21] outstanding

[4:48:24] >> okay So these you want to have these

[4:48:25] discussions now instead of Friday night.

[4:48:27] >> No making a recommendation just like we

[4:48:29] were making re I'm going to stick with

[4:48:32] the same thing.

[4:48:33] >> Yes. I'm going to stick with the 400

[4:48:36] >> on that one. Um

[4:48:47] I'm sorry I put in my other notes that I

[4:48:49] took tonight and look back at them.

[4:48:52] >> Sorry about this. No, you don't got to

[4:48:54] be sorry about it. And if you need to

[4:48:56] take the night to tomorrow tomorrow morning to do it, you can do

[4:48:58] that. Just like do that. There's nothing

[4:49:00] wrong.

[4:49:01] >> And I I feel like like like we're

[4:49:03] forcing you to go do it. And you said

[4:49:05] that you didn't want to do it.

[4:49:06] >> You get up in the morning, you go

[4:49:07] through your notes and email it right

[4:49:08] away to Sam and Derek

[4:49:11] with a fresh mind. I don't understand

[4:49:13] that.

[4:49:13] >> We'll all be on the same.

[4:49:14] >> Yeah. Okay. All right. And that's what

[4:49:16] I'm going to do.

[4:49:16] >> I might add some stuff tomorrow, too.

[4:49:18] Don't worry. We're in it together. I

[4:49:19] mean, believe me, on Friday when I get

[4:49:21] to see and and actually we will see this

[4:49:24] document before we come here at 5:30 on

[4:49:26] Friday, right?

[4:49:27] >> Nobody's

[4:49:29] >> right. So, we'll get it we'll get it in

[4:49:31] time to review that document before we

[4:49:32] come here.

[4:49:33] >> Can you please email

[4:49:37] >> that? If if I may, the document is going

[4:49:40] to be available to us when all of us

[4:49:42] submit our proposal. If you do not have

[4:49:44] any proposal,

[4:49:46] then the document is going to be

[4:49:48] available on Friday.

[4:49:49] >> Just I just want to look over all my

[4:49:51] notes from tonight.

[4:49:51] >> I am not going to have the finance

[4:49:53] commission send out a document and then

[4:49:55] we are still in the process of

[4:49:56] submitting.

[4:49:58] >> No, no. What I'm saying is as long as

[4:50:00] I'm going to get him my stuff as soon as

[4:50:02] I can tomorrow morning and then I'm just

[4:50:04] asking if we could get it back in enough

[4:50:06] time to look through that document

[4:50:08] before we come back here around 5:30 on Friday. Is that is that the plan that

[4:50:13] we have it before we come back on?

[4:50:16] >> Well, we have never done that before.

[4:50:18] >> Oh, we've just come and sat and looked

[4:50:20] at it.

[4:50:20] >> We present the proposal. We allow them

[4:50:22] to to do their changes. They add the

[4:50:24] column, do every bring these this

[4:50:27] information to us and then we kind of

[4:50:29] like start. Okay.

[4:50:30] >> Okay.

[4:50:31] >> Here is here is um cannabis.

[4:50:34] One is saying a million, one is saying

[4:50:35] 800. Where do we stand on this? Do we

[4:50:37] have a consensus? Do we have an

[4:50:39] agreement? Where do we the finance

[4:50:41] committee will have to make a

[4:50:42] recommendation and what do we do with

[4:50:44] that on that line? That's how we decide

[4:50:46] to do it.

[4:50:46] >> I guess

[4:50:47] >> so we better add the other night. We we

[4:50:49] have to add an additional Friday.

[4:50:52] >> If we don't push these things along and

[4:50:54] we keep dragging them on into next day, we've been doing that for the

[4:50:59] last couple days. We're going to end up

[4:51:01] into next week. And I was about to ask I

[4:51:03] need some availability next week

[4:51:05] >> or this weekend.

[4:51:06] >> Monday. I'm I'm not

[4:51:12] but so but Mr. I do have to ask this

[4:51:14] question.

[4:51:17] What uh what Mr. Google is going to do?

[4:51:21] I say 854 again.

[4:51:24] So what is he going to put with his

[4:51:26] documentation? Is he just going to list

[4:51:28] all of our stuff separate? You know it

[4:51:30] can't be like when down the hall because

[4:51:34] we came here with consensus. I was

[4:51:36] saying can't Friday we can't have it run

[4:51:38] into the office. So we have to get our

[4:51:40] recommendation in

[4:51:41] >> before before five start to create a

[4:51:44] summary sheet like this for each

[4:51:46] individual

[4:51:46] >> for each individual. So you're going to

[4:51:49] have the revenue.

[4:51:50] >> It's going to be a summer. It's not

[4:51:51] going to be the fall,

[4:51:52] >> right? Just the changes.

[4:51:54] >> Just the changes.

[4:51:55] >> Each person's changes. And we still I'm

[4:51:57] sorry. We still have one touch that

[4:51:59] that's the case. [clears throat]

[4:52:01] >> What What comfortable thing does it on

[4:52:03] one sheet?

[4:52:04] >> Well,

[4:52:06] all six of us. I would probably

[4:52:08] recommend doing six different sheets

[4:52:11] >> and and also the percentage of the tax

[4:52:14] increase up or down based on those

[4:52:17] recommendations of each one.

[4:52:19] >> The totals the totals and then then how

[4:52:22] much is that

[4:52:23] >> that's right

[4:52:24] >> reducing the rate

[4:52:26] >> by based on those revenues on each one

[4:52:28] so everybody can take a look and compare

[4:52:31] >> which column is working and which isn't

[4:52:34] and where there's consensus and what

[4:52:35] impact that has. So that's my

[4:52:37] recommendation is that's a calculator.

[4:52:40] >> I think that makes sense.

[4:52:40] >> So if you want to pass a brief thing

[4:52:44] summary from there provided earlier um

[4:52:48] just to get an idea that's kosher the

[4:52:52] council members.

[4:52:54] >> Yeah. [clears throat]

[4:52:57] So then we still will have to come back

[4:52:59] together because then at least my memory

[4:53:01] is that we will see uh this document

[4:53:06] right it'll look like this again

[4:53:08] >> this is too

[4:53:09] >> but it'll be like proposed council

[4:53:13] >> right and then that's where we start to

[4:53:15] really talk to each other and figure out

[4:53:17] >> well that's not what he's planning

[4:53:20] to say

[4:53:22] >> go ahead

[4:53:23] >> Mr. council

[4:53:26] until it be

[4:53:27] >> six sheets for

[4:53:29] >> right

[4:53:30] >> we kind of have Mr. Williams is cuz he

[4:53:32] did it that way.

[4:53:33] >> And then we'll go by line. This is what

[4:53:35] people are reporting. Um then we'll have

[4:53:37] negotiations and then we'll all agree on

[4:53:39] that line. Then we'll move to the next

[4:53:41] line and we'll do that.

[4:53:42] >> And and we didn't make changes. I mean

[4:53:44] you guys only made changes to I'm going

[4:53:46] to say I'm guessing like six or seven

[4:53:48] lines all told.

[4:53:50] >> I don't think it's super significant.

[4:53:51] But what we didn't do tonight

[4:53:53] >> as far as I'm concerned is talk about

[4:53:55] where we're changing the expenses.

[4:53:58] I didn't

[4:53:58] >> I mean I did a little bit

[4:54:01] Mr. Williams did too

[4:54:04] >> for Councilman. He said one email

[4:54:08] suggested to reduce management salaries.

[4:54:12] >> Excuse me.

[4:54:15] [clears throat]

[4:54:15] >> No, I asked for your report.

[4:54:16] >> Okay. There was an email saying no man

[4:54:19] salary.

[4:54:20] >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That was my that

[4:54:21] was my suggestion.

[4:54:22] >> Okay. So I would have to add I don't

[4:54:26] know 50 something lines for management.

[4:54:29] >> No just everything.

[4:54:31] >> Well just like that.

[4:54:33] >> Yeah that's basic number there.

[4:54:35] >> We would have to know each line how to

[4:54:38] reduce it or keep the same.

[4:54:40] >> Yeah that's when we go to

[4:54:42] >> so that's that's management line. So you

[4:54:44] need 50 different lines for the

[4:54:46] management

[4:54:46] >> each salary. So you have to pro that one

[4:54:50] sheet. Yeah.

[4:54:50] >> Yeah.

[4:54:54] you I think he already did it once. So

[4:54:56] now he would just take the changes and

[4:54:58] do it again.

[4:55:00] >> It was only the only people that talked

[4:55:02] about that was John himself. John was at

[4:55:06] >> but you know I came prepar

[4:55:08] >> right. That's what I'm saying.

[4:55:09] >> And I wanted to move the budget forward.

[4:55:11] That's why we need to you know move

[4:55:13] forward. If not, we're going to have to

[4:55:15] go into next week or this weekend and I

[4:55:17] I'm going to have to discuss with you

[4:55:19] availability because we're going to come

[4:55:21] in Friday here and we're going to still

[4:55:22] talking about we're going to still be

[4:55:24] talking about revenue. We're going to

[4:55:25] still be talking about

[4:55:27] >> No, no, we did that and she missed that

[4:55:29] same person by tomorrow.

[4:55:30] >> Yeah, I'm going to talk

[4:55:32] some of us did not even talk about

[4:55:34] expenditure.

[4:55:35] >> None of us did that

[4:55:36] >> expenditures. Yes, but revenue we did.

[4:55:38] >> Yes, we did. teaching session we touch

[4:55:41] on revenue what about

[4:55:43] >> well we could either do it now but I

[4:55:45] think many of us are tired or we do that

[4:55:48] on Friday

[4:55:49] >> I gave mine

[4:55:50] >> well that's what's going to have to roll

[4:55:52] into another day because you're going to

[4:55:54] have to send it out

[4:55:54] >> I kind of came in here thinking that we

[4:55:56] were going to have to have another day

[4:55:57] because I I mean first of all we went

[4:55:59] already just talking about the revenue I

[4:56:02] think it's like 10 o'clock at night

[4:56:04] at 10:30

[4:56:06] >> 109 10:19 Um, so we still I mean I kind

[4:56:10] of already cleared some stuff from my

[4:56:12] schedule next week because I figured we

[4:56:14] were going to have to go into next week.

[4:56:16] I mean even based on our conversation

[4:56:18] last night. I mean I just thought that

[4:56:19] we were going to have to have

[4:56:21] >> some more days. I think what we need to

[4:56:23] say tonight is everybody needs to give

[4:56:25] their expenditures in. They didn't have

[4:56:27] them tonight

[4:56:29] by tomorrow. I mean and then he'd have

[4:56:31] everything to present to put together

[4:56:33] for Friday. It's not even an option. I

[4:56:35] had mine, but what I understood us to do

[4:56:37] that when you're going around the table

[4:56:38] for revenue, you better make another

[4:56:40] circle for expenditure. [clears throat]

[4:56:42] >> And then the second circle didn't

[4:56:44] happen,

[4:56:45] >> right?

[4:56:46] >> I mean, I could sit here for like 10

[4:56:48] minutes and probably, you know, write

[4:56:49] down all my thing. Isn't that I mean, I

[4:56:51] feel like some that you guys were also

[4:56:53] kind of making changes and thinking

[4:56:55] about it because of what we tonight.

[4:56:57] >> Yeah. I mean, so I sent in my revenue

[4:56:59] increases and my expenditures via email

[4:57:02] earlier today. We got

[4:57:04] >> but we got it from

[4:57:09] Miss Patrick. I was very clear yesterday

[4:57:11] evening with you. So please sent in your

[4:57:14] recommendation

[4:57:15] >> right and I'm sorry that I did not also

[4:57:18] wanted to hear additional information

[4:57:20] >> that did not happen. [clears throat]

[4:57:22] >> Um I'm glad that the others uh sent

[4:57:25] their recommendation. One recommendation

[4:57:27] I also had was the uh fees for service

[4:57:30] >> the fees for service. Uh Derek

[4:57:34] >> Yes. Yes.

[4:57:34] >> Uh I would I would my recommendation is

[4:57:37] to also pull a high level uh report of

[4:57:42] how much are we spending towards police

[4:57:44] service across all departments.

[4:57:47] >> And my uh my recommendation was to um

[4:57:51] well for us to consider this is my

[4:57:53] proposal on the master. proposal. I want

[4:57:56] to be very clear with you about

[4:57:58] >> yes

[4:57:58] >> these are all what we're saying here is

[4:57:59] our proposal

[4:58:01] >> so to kind of lower that by 10% across

[4:58:04] the board so that's one of my

[4:58:05] recommendation that should be added as a

[4:58:07] cost reduction

[4:58:09] >> and that's the mail that was sent to the

[4:58:11] and everybody was happy

[4:58:13] >> and

[4:58:15] this is the uh theater services you want

[4:58:18] to pass

[4:58:21] I think you have something you want to

[4:58:23] add to say It's about the local law.

[4:58:26] >> I'll be your pardon.

[4:58:27] >> The local law go regarding the override

[4:58:31] >> of the tax.

[4:58:32] >> Oh, good.

[4:58:34] >> Oh, you want to talk about that?

[4:58:35] >> Yeah. Based on

[4:58:38] Gota,

[4:58:39] >> you know, that falls into what as far as

[4:58:43] you go.

[4:58:45] >> The total proposed 2022 budget carried

[4:58:49] $2.6 $6 million of these

[4:58:53] >> fees facilities that don't also include

[4:58:56] training.

[4:58:57] >> These are registers, I guess. Yes.

[4:58:59] >> Okay.

[4:59:00] >> I'm sorry. Could you repeat that, Mr. M?

[4:59:04] This document you just got, right? I

[4:59:06] didn't hear what you're saying because I

[4:59:06] was looking

[4:59:07] >> This document

[4:59:10] >> is for fees for service and also

[4:59:12] training.

[4:59:13] >> Oh, that's good because that is the

[4:59:14] other thing that

[4:59:15] >> it's $2.6 million.

[4:59:19] That was one of the things that I think

[4:59:20] I mentioned to you.

[4:59:21] >> Yeah, we did talk about this last

[4:59:23] training. Yeah,

[4:59:23] >> the training. So, my recommendation is

[4:59:25] that based on this, I would like to see

[4:59:27] uh my recommendation a 10% reduction

[4:59:30] across

[4:59:32] >> 10%

[4:59:33] reduction in these lines each department

[4:59:36] >> all together%

[4:59:38] >> that's my recommendation. It's my

[4:59:40] recommendation. You know how I mean

[4:59:43] >> before you do that

[4:59:45] come in and talk about their feast.

[4:59:48] >> We already reduce them drastically.

[4:59:51] >> I mean I think we took notes from every

[4:59:53] department but the briefs in place where

[4:59:57] >> we can't just do it.

[4:59:58] >> You can't just cut it and [snorts] it's

[5:00:01] I would recommend that if you really

[5:00:02] wanted to entertaining decreasing it

[5:00:04] even further.

[5:00:06] >> What do you see? um like there's been I

[5:00:09] see the first um A1010 404

[5:00:13] that was actually more than cut in half.

[5:00:15] So I do see what you're talking about.

[5:00:17] However, um if I jump to the very next

[5:00:20] one and I don't know which department

[5:00:21] these are A1310 124 the exact same

[5:00:25] amount. So some have been reduced um

[5:00:28] considerably and others have remained

[5:00:30] the same. So do we um only ask the

[5:00:35] people who's if we must do this do we

[5:00:38] only ask the people who remain the same

[5:00:41] when we talk about cutting in another

[5:00:42] 10% like if this is remain

[5:00:44] >> so that one

[5:00:48] 35 finance and we usually [laughter]

[5:00:51] keep that the same that's most audit

[5:00:55] services that for the annual audit and

[5:00:57] there's other u that you know you house.

[5:01:02] >> And there's 1340

[5:01:05] didn't change.

[5:01:06] >> So, some of these didn't change.

[5:01:09] >> Um, a lot of the ones seem like they

[5:01:11] really didn't change. And this one was

[5:01:13] not significantly. I don't know what

[5:01:14] they are. So,

[5:01:16] >> some I believe one that was I believe

[5:01:21] Scott and he consolidated some of that

[5:01:26] department. That's why I

[5:01:31] » follow

[5:01:34] that. Let me follow up. But look at the

[5:01:36] reported essentially and we have this as

[5:01:39] the report.

[5:01:41] >> I don't

[5:01:42] know. You're sitting here.

[5:01:43] >> Okay. Can we get this electronic please?

[5:01:46] >> Thank you.

[5:01:49] >> Is there anything that would help you

[5:01:50] digest the document a little further

[5:01:52] because you see numbers fee for

[5:01:54] services? I'm gonna go back

[5:01:57] >> look at the number and then I'm gonna

[5:01:59] look at this

[5:02:00] >> and then I'm going to look at my notes

[5:02:01] from the term

[5:02:04] presentations and that will help me

[5:02:06] decide whether we can or cannot reduce

[5:02:09] these based on what the line is right

[5:02:12] everybody

[5:02:13] >> I mean I could just refer to the budget

[5:02:14] but if it's if it's nothing click it all

[5:02:17] be there you have to enter

[5:02:19] >> otherwise I'm going to

[5:02:23] [laughter]

[5:02:24] say

[5:02:24] >> he said He doesn't have to put it in

[5:02:26] manual. It'll just it'll fill so he can

[5:02:28] filter.

[5:02:29] >> All right. Let me just take a pause for

[5:02:31] a minute on you

[5:02:34] call brief on Monday.

[5:02:37] I forget.

[5:02:38] >> Okay. Um briefly um you've got the draft

[5:02:42] ordinance budget ordinance looks the

[5:02:45] same as in half years. It's a matter of

[5:02:47] filling in the amounts. What changes is

[5:02:50] the proposed tax cap override the tax

[5:02:52] cap. The state law mandates that you

[5:02:54] pass a local law authorizing the tax cap

[5:02:58] on override.

[5:03:00] >> There's certain procedures. Procedures

[5:03:03] are that we I've given you the draft.

[5:03:06] This is mon other cities that have done

[5:03:08] this the legislation.

[5:03:11] If for example you're planning on

[5:03:14] passing the budget on Monday night in

[5:03:16] the regular council you have to ask for

[5:03:18] unanimous consent because you're not

[5:03:20] going to be at least vote on it because

[5:03:22] it's going to be majestically agenda

[5:03:24] prior after tomorrow

[5:03:27] that the on a local law as we went

[5:03:30] through the local law earlier this year

[5:03:33] has to be on the desk for seven days.

[5:03:36] Mayor, the mayor can ask for a message

[5:03:39] of necessity, which is a letter to the

[5:03:41] council saying that that the the uh the

[5:03:45] requirement from the the uh statute or

[5:03:48] wave that you introduce it and vote it

[5:03:51] on the same night. The proposed

[5:03:54] legislation is before you. It is the

[5:03:56] intent of the of the local law to uh

[5:04:00] permit but not require the city of

[5:04:01] Skenity to go of the tax c So

[5:04:07] bottom line, this local law, it's got to

[5:04:10] be passed prior to adopting the budget.

[5:04:13] The mayor must send you message of

[5:04:16] necessity the first plan on Monday night

[5:04:19] hearing. Um that means local law will

[5:04:22] have to be introduced and voted upon

[5:04:25] that same night and the budget will be

[5:04:28] adopted that same day. And the

[5:04:30] alternative if you're what I am

[5:04:32] recommending this local law introduced

[5:04:35] and be voted on on Monday night. If the

[5:04:38] budget ordinance needs to be take a few

[5:04:41] days past that you have the local law

[5:04:44] pass

[5:04:46] and it's below the tax cap. It's below

[5:04:50] the tax cap. It's above the tax cap. The

[5:04:53] local law is in place. That's what um

[5:04:56] the the the calculations that the

[5:04:58] finance department are going to do, the

[5:05:00] finance commissioner are going to look

[5:05:03] at you're going to see what what how

[5:05:05] that impacts the tax cap. There's a

[5:05:07] formula under the general municipal law

[5:05:09] that the finance commissioner looks at

[5:05:11] based on

[5:05:13] the rates and tax base etc. the city of

[5:05:18] connectivity. It's all out laid out in

[5:05:19] the general municipal law. E

[5:05:21] [clears throat]

[5:05:22] based on the numbers that you've come to

[5:05:25] and look at that formula and then say oh

[5:05:27] this is these these you're above or

[5:05:30] below the tax cap.

[5:05:34] So, um, what I'm suggesting is that as

[5:05:37] we go through this process, you know,

[5:05:39] Friday that or Mon or Saturday, um, that

[5:05:44] at the very least the finance committee

[5:05:46] votes out of committee that this local

[5:05:48] law be introduced and voted upon. So, at

[5:05:51] least you have that. Now, advice this

[5:05:54] weekend, you may know that you may be

[5:05:56] below that tax gap and that you wouldn't

[5:05:58] have to worry about that. But if if it's

[5:06:02] not getting to where you want to go, you

[5:06:04] should have that local law squared away.

[5:06:07] It does the local woman doesn't commit

[5:06:09] to it [clears throat] and just allows.

[5:06:11] >> Can we do

[5:06:12] >> I understand, you know,

[5:06:13] >> can we vote on that tonight so that we

[5:06:16] can get it onto the agenda for

[5:06:18] council meeting? This is a committee

[5:06:19] meeting.

[5:06:20] >> This is a committee meeting.

[5:06:22] No, no. But I recommend that you hold

[5:06:24] off on voting the local committee until

[5:06:27] you get further information numbers from

[5:06:30] the finance department.

[5:06:31] >> No, we're not voting on anything

[5:06:33] tonight.

[5:06:36] » And that's that's all I have.

[5:06:38] >> That's question. Mr. Brian, would you

[5:06:40] please when you find the uh the

[5:06:44] originating documents for the fund for

[5:06:46] the golf fund, could you forward those

[5:06:48] over to me, please?

[5:06:48] >> Yes.

[5:06:49] >> Thank you, sir. a look at the ordinance

[5:06:51] and I got talked to the finance

[5:06:53] commission. I just like to see if that's

[5:06:57] >> and just you gave some recommendations

[5:07:01] on how excuse me should um provide

[5:07:05] information from as individually. So it

[5:07:08] was individual sheets for each person

[5:07:10] with our recommendations and then you

[5:07:11] said some else

[5:07:13] >> and how those you know each one of those

[5:07:15] additions that you've made or a deletion

[5:07:18] that we've made how with the total

[5:07:21] numbers how that would impact the tax

[5:07:24] rate based on each one of those those

[5:07:26] columns but then they would have give

[5:07:28] him what we would be willing to I don't

[5:07:31] think he talked everyone talked about

[5:07:32] what we would be willing to take out of

[5:07:34] our reserve

[5:07:35] >> with the expenses we didn't do expenses

[5:07:38] So,

[5:07:40] >> but we can can I just say couldn't that

[5:07:42] be um the six of us our things could be

[5:07:46] on one spreadsheet so we see across the

[5:07:49] you know what I mean like it might be

[5:07:51] that

[5:07:53] >> five of the six of us have the same

[5:07:55] exact

[5:07:56] >> if we see it all in one spreadsheet

[5:07:58] across the board we might all have the

[5:08:00] same

[5:08:01] >> things I mean can you do that if we

[5:08:03] >> we'll take a look and see if it's easy

[5:08:06] on the

[5:08:07] >> [laughter]

[5:08:07] >> Okay.

[5:08:09] >> Put on a legal sheet

[5:08:10] >> that on a legal sheet. That's what

[5:08:11] exactly.

[5:08:12] >> So we can go two line by line.

[5:08:15] So

[5:08:15] >> the column would be John, Dorene,

[5:08:19] Mary.

[5:08:20] >> So yes, do it on one sheet.

[5:08:22] >> If you can again consolidate the notes,

[5:08:25] but just make sure you have everything

[5:08:27] on paper correct. Send an email. I don't

[5:08:32] >> I was about to say that.

[5:08:34] I'm going to remind you again with all

[5:08:35] respect you please please please send in

[5:08:39] your proposal. I do not want to come

[5:08:41] here Friday and you still have proposal.

[5:08:45] I want to give the finance commissioner

[5:08:48] >> the the absolute time to go and revise

[5:08:52] their sheet and bring it back to us

[5:08:54] private.

[5:08:55] >> Right.

[5:08:55] >> We should not be well we should put this

[5:08:57] in and we should put this in. I'm giving

[5:09:00] y'all enough time

[5:09:02] >> to to get that information in.

[5:09:04] >> So for expenses

[5:09:04] >> for this team to to expense revenue,

[5:09:08] expenditure in and out, whatever you

[5:09:10] want to do. You want to add expenditure,

[5:09:12] you want to reduce expenditure, you want

[5:09:14] to increase revenue, you want to

[5:09:16] decrease revenue, please submit it. I'm

[5:09:19] going to reach out to Mr. Williams and

[5:09:21] ask him if he has anything more.

[5:09:23] And if he does, he's very good at email

[5:09:26] and follow to that clinic stop. So, I'm

[5:09:29] going to ask the rest of us here, the

[5:09:30] five of us, please get that over

[5:09:34] >> if I you trying to get that in one

[5:09:37] document. Is that what you're looking

[5:09:38] for?

[5:09:38] >> I would just like

[5:09:42] one.

[5:09:43] >> No, it's not one sheet per person.

[5:09:45] >> Yes. One sheet so we can look at John.

[5:09:48] >> Yeah. But Derek wants us to give him one

[5:09:50] sheet. Is that what you're saying?

[5:09:53] >> John wants these revenues, these

[5:09:55] expenditures.

[5:09:57] 30 months, these revenues, these

[5:09:58] expenditures. So I so I know exactly we

[5:10:01] wrote down show exactly everything.

[5:10:05] Um but Michael has it there. So you can

[5:10:07] follow the

[5:10:09] >> she doesn't have expenditure.

[5:10:10] She just has the revenue.

[5:10:26] So conservative.

[5:10:33] » That's fine.

[5:10:35] >> John, you're going to do it.

[5:10:38] >> We we were going through detail and we

[5:10:41] were making sure that the commission of

[5:10:43] finance was taking notes and M. Michael

[5:10:45] was taking notes in terms of our

[5:10:46] recommendation one by one.

[5:10:49] Please like that or as we suggested

[5:10:54] email whatever additional

[5:10:56] >> yes exactly that's what I just echo if

[5:10:59] you have additional expenditure in or

[5:11:02] out revenue in or out please email it

[5:11:06] and that will be added under your name

[5:11:08] under your account

[5:11:09] >> and I'm assuming there's no adjustments

[5:11:11] to any of the funds I said maybe golf

[5:11:14] depending on what uh we find Right.

[5:11:19] I didn't hear anything.

[5:11:22] >> Yes, I I did have one about the capital

[5:11:25] fund wondering if we can buy fewer EV. I

[5:11:27] put it in my thing. Maybe I overlooked

[5:11:30] the guess. Can we purchase only six EV

[5:11:32] charging stations um only one rail

[5:11:35] loader. So, it was because those were

[5:11:37] expense lines and we didn't get there.

[5:11:38] So, I'll send it in again.

[5:11:39] >> Can you please send that in? And

[5:11:42] everyone on the the proposal, please add

[5:11:44] it as a expenditure.

[5:11:46] >> Yep. And I I have an extension, but

[5:11:49] again, we never got there.

[5:11:50] >> Mr. Williams, this was complete.

[5:11:54] >> Are we going to that?

[5:11:56] >> So, more than likely we'll have to meet

[5:11:57] again next week. So, I don't know. I

[5:11:59] mean, we have we have a they have a

[5:12:01] short meeting Monday,

[5:12:04] city council meeting. So, we can I can

[5:12:06] meet earlier and then later.

[5:12:10] >> I haven't either probably. I think that

[5:12:13] we have to consider people that work

[5:12:14] during the day.

[5:12:17] Well, we can do 5:30 Monday, then break

[5:12:20] for recess and go to

[5:12:22] this.

[5:12:24] >> Yes, cuz that was fun. You're right.

[5:12:28] >> Tuesday,

[5:12:28] >> we we got to

[5:12:31] >> Mr. Chairman, do you do you intend to

[5:12:33] have the the budget pass in a special

[5:12:36] meeting or an adjourned meeting? And if

[5:12:38] a special meeting has to be specially

[5:12:41] noticed, other words, we're just having

[5:12:43] business on on Monday

[5:12:45] special meeting

[5:12:47] >> by Thursday with a with a notice for

[5:12:50] next Thursday.

[5:12:51] >> Well, uh, I'm glad you touched on that.

[5:12:54] My intention was to have the budget up

[5:12:56] or down and see where we stand on Friday

[5:12:58] by having everybody propose a

[5:13:01] move forward with a a high level

[5:13:03] discussion Friday and we see where we

[5:13:06] stand and then eventually if we all

[5:13:08] agreement or with agreement majority

[5:13:10] agreement we move it out to committee

[5:13:12] and then we ask for unanimous consent on the floor for Monday. But

[5:13:18] I don't know where we stand right now

[5:13:20] because we still have outstanding stuff

[5:13:23] to make and it's unfair to the finance

[5:13:26] team to give these top 10 at the last

[5:13:29] minute and I expect them to deliver a

[5:13:32] report to us.

[5:13:34] So I ask that you please please

[5:13:36] including myself. I've been very open

[5:13:39] about my emails. I copied everybody by

[5:13:41] email. Whatever my suggestion is, I ask

[5:13:44] you to do the same thing cuz if we don't

[5:13:46] if we if we come here Friday, we're

[5:13:49] going to have to I'm going to have to

[5:13:51] start maybe we're going to have to start

[5:13:53] reserve days from tonight or tomorrow

[5:13:57] until next week.

[5:13:58] >> We already have Friday schedule. So, if

[5:14:00] we're going to do anything tomorrow,

[5:14:01] we're going to have to schedule it

[5:14:02] >> because we have the three we need three

[5:14:04] days.

[5:14:04] >> Can we Can we do that right now? Can we

[5:14:07] suggest days right now? I'm going to be

[5:14:10] cancelling. I figured I was going to

[5:14:11] need next [clears throat] week. I am

[5:14:13] cancelling the housing uh task force for

[5:14:15] Tuesday. It's going to be later in

[5:14:17] November. I mentioned it to Sam, but I

[5:14:18] haven't had a chance to write that out

[5:14:20] yet. Um so we I was trying to free up a

[5:14:23] night and so I could do Saturday. I have

[5:14:26] to cancel something, but I could do

[5:14:29] Saturday. I could do Monday. I could do

[5:14:31] Tuesday.

[5:14:32] >> What's

[5:14:35] Oh, today's Wednesday.

[5:14:38] So

[5:14:38] >> have to be Thursday. [laughter]

[5:14:43] » So we have Friday.

[5:14:46] >> So I mean are people able to well I know

[5:14:48] we have to ask Mr. Williams too but

[5:14:54] » I I think we have to but then we have to

[5:14:58] accommodate so we have to be considerate

[5:15:00] of the final staff on Saturdays.

[5:15:02] >> Okay then. Yes.

[5:15:07] So

[5:15:09] Monday and Monday Monday and Tuesday

[5:15:11] work for folks.

[5:15:12] >> Whatever day we choose going forward

[5:15:14] now, we need the finance team

[5:15:18] >> with us.

[5:15:21] >> I'm just going to do it for Saturday.

[5:15:23] That's three days and then we'll be

[5:15:25] available Monday. Well, I think he's

[5:15:27] saying that he doesn't want to

[5:15:28] necessarily have the financing

[5:15:36] at seven. So, we can come in

[5:15:37] >> Tuesday, Wednesday.

[5:15:40] >> You're open those three days.

[5:15:41] >> Any of those days? Yeah.

[5:15:44] >> I don't know when they'll get the call

[5:15:45] or right.

[5:15:47] >> I know.

[5:15:47] >> So, Friday, Monday, Tuesday. How about

[5:15:49] that you guys?

[5:15:50] >> We're already scheduing.

[5:15:55] We're having Monday and Tuesday.

[5:15:57] >> Monday and Tuesday.

[5:15:59] >> Do we want mid Saturday?

[5:16:07] So

[5:16:10] what time we consider

[5:16:11] >> Monday 5 5:30

[5:16:14] >> Monday 5:30

[5:16:17] >> and then we recess and we

[5:16:20] >> go to council meeting

[5:16:22] >> and then we'll we'll reconvene right

[5:16:24] after that

[5:16:25] >> okay

[5:16:25] >> that meeting and continue our

[5:16:27] deliberation if we

[5:16:28] >> interest

[5:16:29] >> if we happen to come to an agreement

[5:16:32] Friday then we just disregard those

[5:16:35] dates

[5:16:35] >> question do we have to do a notice for

[5:16:38] Monday if we're in recess now if we're

[5:16:40] just going to reconvene Monday prior to

[5:16:41] our 7 o'clock meeting.

[5:16:43] >> Yeah.

[5:16:45] >> Come in Friday anyway.

[5:16:48] >> Didn't get a notice. [clears throat]

[5:16:49] >> You have to give public.

[5:16:50] >> This is the meeting apart from the

[5:16:52] council meeting.

[5:16:53] >> Notice I thought because we recess

[5:16:57] >> and the thing the ordinance the budget

[5:16:59] ordinance in the local law that that has

[5:17:01] to already be on your agenda. You can

[5:17:03] adjourn the meeting, the vote on those

[5:17:05] things, but they would have to be on the

[5:17:06] agenda already for the meeting that was

[5:17:08] announced.

[5:17:09] >> You can always have a special meeting on

[5:17:11] three days notice dealing with a budget,

[5:17:15] the local law if necessary.

[5:17:16] >> So, you're saying the ordinances for

[5:17:18] Monday's meeting?

[5:17:19] >> If you want to just do a

[5:17:21] >> as opposed to a new special meeting,

[5:17:24] >> but I I based on what I'm hearing, it's

[5:17:26] probably best let's see what happens on

[5:17:28] Friday.

[5:17:29] >> I agree with that.

[5:17:30] >> Yes. Yeah, I would point that's that's

[5:17:33] good point.

[5:17:34] >> So then next Monday city council meeting

[5:17:38] you uh recess.

[5:17:40] >> Well, let's see let's see what goes on

[5:17:42] Friday.

[5:17:43] >> But we need the three days, right? Don't

[5:17:44] we have to have three-day public notice?

[5:17:46] >> You're going to have your regular

[5:17:47] meeting on Monday. If you are able to

[5:17:50] get out the budget ordinance

[5:17:53] on Friday and the local law on Friday or

[5:17:56] Saturday by unanimous consent, you can

[5:17:59] just add those to the agenda on Monday.

[5:18:01] >> And if you don't vote on on Monday, then

[5:18:03] you can adjourn the meeting or later in

[5:18:06] the week before November 1st, then it's

[5:18:08] an adjournment meeting, not a new

[5:18:09] meeting.

[5:18:10] >> Can we

[5:18:12] recess? But could we could we right now

[5:18:15] so that we have enough notice and if

[5:18:18] just in case we need Tuesday couldn't we

[5:18:21] >> I think we I think the best practice

[5:18:23] right now is just to see what happens on

[5:18:25] Friday.

[5:18:26] >> That's my recommendation.

[5:18:28] >> What if we what if we meet on Monday?

[5:18:31] Still have time

[5:18:32] >> for a committee meeting. Yes. So maybe

[5:18:35] just have the committee meeting. you're

[5:18:37] already coming here anyhow on Monday and you'll be working over, you know, on

[5:18:43] Friday,

[5:18:44] >> right?

[5:18:44] >> So, if you need to work with it some

[5:18:46] more prior to the meeting,

[5:18:49] >> um you can add that by unanimous

[5:18:51] consent, the budget ordinance and the

[5:18:53] local law.

[5:18:55] >> But but if we have to come at 5:30 on

[5:18:57] Monday, don't we have to do a public

[5:18:59] notice three days in advance?

[5:19:01] >> Right. And for for the finance

[5:19:03] committee,

[5:19:03] >> you can't count Saturday and Sunday, do

[5:19:05] you?

[5:19:05] >> So, yes. Oh.

[5:19:06] >> So, so what I'm going to get from right

[5:19:09] now is that Sam is going to send out a

[5:19:11] notice that we're going to add

[5:19:15] >> two more days.

[5:19:16] >> We're going to add Monday reconvene at

[5:19:19] 5:30

[5:19:21] recess city council meeting upstairs and

[5:19:23] reconvene back down here. And then

[5:19:26] she'll say 5:30.

[5:19:27] >> Okay.

[5:19:28] >> I'm going to place that place full

[5:19:30] reserve those days. I think that's the

[5:19:31] way we go.

[5:19:32] >> I I'm not sensing a good feeling that

[5:19:35] we're going to have something Friday.

[5:19:37] >> We might.

[5:19:38] >> So, you want to add Wednesday?

[5:19:39] >> Nobody can hardly

[5:19:41] >> just for the sake of

[5:19:44] Wednesday.

[5:19:46] >> Yes. Add Wednesday, too.

[5:19:48] >> I'm sorry. What?

[5:19:50] and

[5:19:52] madam president

[5:19:55] council. So you recess recess the uh

[5:19:59] >> council meeting

[5:20:01] >> and you can reconvene like towards your

[5:20:03] Friday

[5:20:05] >> right if if those items get on by the

[5:20:08] end

[5:20:10] >> no if they get on the agenda they have

[5:20:12] to be on the agenda we'll reconvene the

[5:20:14] meeting so it has to be otherwise you're

[5:20:17] going to have to have a special meeting

[5:20:18] also we need a special

[5:20:19] >> meeting you need a special meeting if

[5:20:21] you're maybe that's the way you want to

[5:20:24] go and have a special meeting for next

[5:20:26] Thursday or Tuesday or whatever, you

[5:20:28] know, um, and just have a special

[5:20:29] meeting to to vote on the budget. That

[5:20:31] way you may have a little bit more time

[5:20:33] in between to, you know, see if things

[5:20:36] can be worked out.

[5:20:39] >> We've done that before and we're like in

[5:20:41] and out special meeting. You let the

[5:20:42] budget go. If you want to go

[5:20:45] >> Yeah. So you can do a special meeting.

[5:20:47] >> Yes.

[5:20:47] >> And and just do that. And then you just

[5:20:49] have we're just dealing with the budget

[5:20:50] and the local law if necessary.

[5:20:54] So, so the part of it taking here is to

[5:20:56] make sure that we secure placehold for

[5:20:59] the committee meeting days.

[5:21:01] >> We look what happened with we're going

[5:21:03] to, you know, what's happening Friday.

[5:21:04] >> Mhm.

[5:21:05] >> Then we can say, okay, we need to begin

[5:21:07] Monday. So then we can say, okay, know

[5:21:09] there are a couple items need to to to

[5:21:12] iron out. Then we can call a special

[5:21:14] meeting Wednesday, right? Friday.

[5:21:16] >> Wednesday's the one I can't I mean, I'd

[5:21:18] say Tuesday.

[5:21:20] you can

[5:21:25] » and actually Thursday Thursday Thursday

[5:21:27] is the um is it is there's the county uh

[5:21:31] dinner

[5:21:32] >> but

[5:21:34] >> we got

[5:21:36] can notice for the committee meetings

[5:21:41] >> and possible

[5:21:43] council meeting all at once.

[5:21:46] >> Yeah. like one notice say that that's

[5:21:48] what the agenda is this and the

[5:21:51] >> council you know two notices or you know

[5:21:55] one notice with two two meeting notices

[5:21:57] one one with the committee and council

[5:22:00] meeting dealing with the uh adoption of

[5:22:04] the budget

[5:22:04] >> right

[5:22:04] >> okay so so on Thursday though it's I

[5:22:08] know that you guys there's dinner but if

[5:22:10] you come here at 5:30 when time's the

[5:22:11] dinner start

[5:22:12] >> I don't know I I'll forget it I won't

[5:22:14] worry about it I just you know

[5:22:15] connecting shares is actually one of the

[5:22:17] awardees.

[5:22:18] >> If you're if you're voting on the budget

[5:22:20] though that's already working passing

[5:22:23] usually that meeting less than half an

[5:22:25] hour if you don't

[5:22:28] >> then I will also be available on

[5:22:30] Thursday.

[5:22:32] >> So everybody's available on Thursday. So

[5:22:35] >> I'm available Monday, Tuesday, Thursday

[5:22:38] everybody.

[5:22:39] >> So here let's do this one step at a

[5:22:40] time. S please get notice out for me. Uh

[5:22:43] the committee is uh we're meeting this

[5:22:46] Friday. We're meeting next Monday and

[5:22:48] Tuesday.

[5:22:49] >> Yes.

[5:22:50] >> And special meeting on Thursday for the

[5:22:53] >> hopefully we can do it before then. But

[5:22:54] >> hopefully we can but I don't know

[5:22:56] >> Thursday.

[5:23:01] Well, that meeting can always be

[5:23:03] adjourned by Thursday.

[5:23:04] >> That's right. We don't need it. But just

[5:23:07] this is our just in case. just in case.

[5:23:10] Let's say

[5:23:17] » I can sit here until tomorrow morning.

[5:23:20] [laughter]

[5:23:23] » I can stretch out man

[5:23:26] out because uh

[5:23:31] just motion motion to reset finance

[5:23:34] committee.

[5:23:35] >> Second. All in favor?

[5:23:46] Thank you very much.

[5:23:48] >> Thank you. So,

[5:23:50] >> did we already decide

[5:23:52] to break down?

[5:23:57] » We'll be meeting later in November.

Schenectady 2026 Budget Hearing #6, October 23, 2025

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