[0:01] Welcome to the December 2025 regular

[0:03] meeting of the Clemson Board of

[0:05] Architectural Review. My name is Todd

[0:07] Howard and I serve as the chairperson of

[0:08] this meeting. The other members in

[0:10] attendance today will now introduce

[0:11] themselves.

[0:12] >> Nathan Shop, Hunter Hanahan,

[0:14] >> Andrew Neptune,

[0:16] >> Christine Tedesco.

[0:17] >> The Clemson Planning and Codes office

[0:18] staff member in attendance is Jacob

[0:20] Peabody. The recording secretary of this

[0:22] meeting is Rebecca Wilbanks. BAR members

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[2:19] talk. Again, welcome to the meeting. And

[2:22] then we'll have our board member

[2:24] introduce himself.

[2:26] >> Okay. So, um the first thing we need to

[2:28] do is consider adopting the minutes from

[2:31] last month's meeting. I'm at they were

[2:34] solid as presented and so no changes

[2:37] really needed to be made. Do I have

[2:38] anybody that's willing to make a motion

[2:40] to accept last month's meeting?

[2:42] >> Some move.

[2:43] >> Okay. Second.

[2:44] >> Second.

[2:44] All those in favor, please raise

[2:46] your right hand. Okay, minutes have been

[2:48] adopted. Okay, action items. The first

[2:51] action item is off the slate for the

[2:52] night because that's no longer um up

[2:55] before us. So, we'll start with action

[2:57] item number two, 2025 A04. Applicant

[3:00] Robert Kite Harris Teter is requesting

[3:02] approval of dumpster location for 501

[3:05] Old Greenville Highway. So, we'll hear

[3:07] from Jacob to start.

[3:09] >> Yes. So, the this was in front of the

[3:12] board last month. They've come back with

[3:14] more clear rendering showing what

[3:16] they're doing. They went to investigate

[3:18] whether or not the underground dumpsters

[3:20] were viable for them and they've come

[3:23] back with a standard dumpster and a

[3:25] clarification as to grade and everything

[3:27] showing where they'll be located. Um,

[3:29] honestly, with that, I'm just going to

[3:30] turn it over to the applicant to give

[3:32] them presentation to where we're at.

[3:34] >> Can you make sure you introduce

[3:36] yourself?

[3:37] >> Just me with committ. Um, yes, good to

[3:40] see you guys as well again from from

[3:41] last month. Uh so as we talked about

[3:43] last month, I think there was a few

[3:44] comments from you guys about the site

[3:46] plans of moving the ice machine which we

[3:49] moved to the other side. So you will not

[3:50] see that in the renderings there. Um

[3:52] additionally with the landscape plan, we

[3:53] should have the renderings here. We

[3:55] added in a few two rows of shrubs kind

[3:57] of near the dumpster. Um there's a row

[3:59] of the distilliums and then a row of

[4:01] holl which will helpful greatly kind of

[4:05] enhance the screening of that dumpster

[4:07] from the road. Um Nathan asked

[4:09] previously to this meeting of what the

[4:10] grade differential is. So if you're

[4:12] sitting on 93 right here where that car

[4:13] is, the elevation there is around 8:14.

[4:16] The dumpster pad sits at the bottom

[4:18] around 807. So there is a 7 foot grade

[4:21] difference from the top of the road to

[4:23] where that bottom of pavement is.

[4:24] >> And how tall is the

[4:25] >> the dumpster screening wall is 6 feet

[4:27] tall.

[4:28] >> And then the shrubs specified are 4 feet

[4:32] >> at planting. So,

[4:40] » anything else you'd like to add?

[4:42] >> No, that's I think those are pretty much

[4:43] the main comments you guys had last week

[4:44] and just here to answer any questions

[4:46] you guys have.

[4:47] >> Okay. Do we have any public comment on

[4:49] this item?

[4:52] >> Okay. So, any follow-up questions,

[4:55] comments, concerns?

[5:03] a good solution.

[5:06] As far as planting wise, I don't see any

[5:08] issue with that. The massing should be

[5:10] fine. Height should be fine.

[5:13] Um,

[5:15] I mean, they're going in at 4T. So,

[5:17] you're already going to be a foot above,

[5:20] you know, the fence. Down the edges, as

[5:22] it slopes down the hill, you're going to

[5:24] be a little bit um lower than the fence,

[5:28] but within probably two growing seasons,

[5:31] I don't see that being an issue based on

[5:32] the plant they selected.

[5:34] >> And remind me again, what color is the

[5:36] enclosure going to be?

[5:38] >> Dark brown.

[5:39] >> Yeah, it's a dark brown. It's like a TX

[5:40] board. Yeah, it goes around it.

[5:42] [clears throat] There was the plantings

[5:44] that Nathan requested around the the

[5:46] underground storage tanks as well that

[5:47] separated there. So those plantings were

[5:49] in there as well.

[5:50] >> And they did continue the air machine.

[5:52] They continued that landscaping right

[5:54] between instead of having a gap between

[5:56] the dumpster and the air machine, the

[5:58] landscaping just travels right through.

[6:01] >> And where the tanks are, they put plant

[6:03] material around the gas tanks. Um Oh,

[6:07] >> yeah. Buried.

[6:09] Yeah. Would

[6:16] » anybody like to make a motion that we

[6:19] approve as presented?

[6:22] >> Motion.

[6:23] >> Anybody second?

[6:24] >> Second.

[6:25] >> All those in favor, please raise your

[6:26] right hand.

[6:27] >> Okay. Thank you very much. Thank you.

[6:32] Anyone here for the first application

[6:34] 199 Old Reville Highway that has been

[6:36] pulled off the agenda?

[6:40] Okay. So, we're going to move to our

[6:42] next item. 2025 A09. Applicant uh

[6:45] Mauricio Vizball LV Collective is

[6:48] requesting approval of materials,

[6:50] landscape, and lighting for 398 College

[6:52] Avenue. So, we'll hear from Jacob first.

[6:56] >> Um so, there has been some significant

[6:58] changes to the building. You can see how

[7:01] previously basically the uh on building

[7:04] 400 the brick has been bringing up a

[7:06] whole another level and I think has you

[7:08] know really improved its look quite a

[7:11] bit. They did on the uh building 398

[7:14] they brought the detail work of the

[7:16] brick around the back of the building.

[7:18] So the soldier courses and the uh just

[7:20] nicer detail that they went forward with

[7:22] the um darker bottom. Um let's see.

[7:28] Well, honestly, it's probably just best

[7:29] I turn over to the applicant and just

[7:30] let them move forward.

[7:32] >> Okay.

[7:33] >> Would you guys like to Yeah,

[7:35] >> if you'll just introduce yourself before

[7:36] you start.

[7:39] >> Good evening. My name is Muhammad Wilson

[7:41] Bolton representing the architectural

[7:43] team that will be invisible with LD

[7:46] Collective, the developer. Uh, and I

[7:48] know Chris Lazar with Rwood Design Group

[7:50] is just around the corner, so they'll be

[7:52] joining us here in just a minute. Um, I

[7:56] [clears throat] could drop these uh just

[7:59] on the two ends. We brought some

[8:01] additional samples based on the

[8:02] discussions we had uh I think last

[8:06] month.

[8:08] Uh but yeah, we on the architectural

[8:10] side of things, we really kind of

[8:12] narrowed it down in our last meeting to

[8:14] list a few items that we wanted to study

[8:16] a little bit further. We had some good

[8:18] discussions about the samples and the

[8:20] colors and so I brought some samples to show with you today. The first item

[8:24] was uh what Jacob was just mentioning. I

[8:26] want to talk about the um College Avenue

[8:29] facade for 400 College Avenue building.

[8:33] Um the initial design, the first slide,

[8:35] the initial design had it had the the

[8:38] elevation kind of banded in almost like

[8:40] three similar height material

[8:43] transitions and I think there's some

[8:45] comments about it looking more like a

[8:46] having that wedding cake kind of effect

[8:49] on the building. And so what we've done

[8:50] is we went back, we've studied it and

[8:53] we've raised the brick one extra level.

[8:55] And so on the next slide there, you show

[8:57] I I do agree it improved the proportions

[9:00] considerably. You can now see it as that

[9:02] darker base with the storefront at the

[9:04] commercial at the ground level. Three

[9:06] levels of the red masonry, the sample

[9:08] I've got down here at the bottom. Uh and

[9:11] then a true cap for the building that's

[9:13] only one story tall. So I think that was

[9:15] a big improvement.

[9:17] The next thing that we've looked at the

[9:19] colors in general, we had a lot of

[9:20] discussions about the fiber cement

[9:22] colors. We had three different colors

[9:24] proposed for the project. I think the

[9:26] renderings have kind of shown them a

[9:27] little bit different from some of the

[9:29] color chips. And so we spent some time

[9:30] on these few renderings that we brought

[9:32] with us really trying to dial it to

[9:34] match the samples. I've got with me here

[9:36] the three colors. Uh I'll pass those

[9:39] around that we have proposed. You can

[9:41] see all three of them on on this uh on

[9:43] this perspective [snorts] view here

[9:44] which is looking down Strod Avenue. The

[9:47] light color, the white at the cap of the

[9:49] building is the is this sample right

[9:52] here, the Arctic white. Uh, and the

[9:55] midtone gray is that sample on the very

[9:58] right uh of this sample right here.

[10:01] That's what you see surrounding the

[10:03] surrounding, um, language where we have

[10:06] the wood accents on building on 398.

[10:09] Exactly there. Thank you. And then the

[10:11] cap for building 400 as well. That's

[10:13] that kind of midtone color. Uh and then

[10:15] we've got this darker this darker color

[10:17] here, fiber cement. That's uh where we

[10:20] have some accents like the inset that

[10:21] you're seeing there. So throughout the

[10:23] facades, you'll see we're alternating

[10:25] between these three colors. Uh we had a

[10:28] lot of discussions, good discussions

[10:29] last week about or last month about the accent wood panel that we're using

[10:34] and uh how it relates to the fiber

[10:39] cement panel that surrounds it. And so

[10:40] we went back and actually made some

[10:42] changes to this color selection to find

[10:44] something that worked a little bit

[10:45] better with this uh with this wood

[10:48] accent color. Uh so you're seeing what

[10:50] we passed around here. They're they're

[10:51] the same they're same uh samples come

[10:53] from both directions. We talked about,

[10:56] you know, looking at different options.

[10:58] We did get a few additional samples, did

[11:01] looked at some options, but we ended up

[11:02] backing, you know, right where we

[11:04] started with this one being the what we

[11:06] feel is the better color for the

[11:08] project. It works better with the better

[11:09] with the overall palette. It blends well

[11:12] with uh some of the accent colors that

[11:15] we're using with the with the heartscape

[11:17] and the decking that we're using at the

[11:18] amenities. And so we've kind of, you

[11:21] know, we wanted to bring a few samples

[11:22] just to show you, but we're we're

[11:25] proposing that we stick to the original

[11:27] selection here, especially with the way

[11:28] it works now with the axom fiber cement

[11:31] that we have surrounding it.

[11:32] >> Is that the hickory color?

[11:34] >> That is correct. Yeah, it's it's a

[11:36] little bit more muted. The other ones

[11:38] are a little bit more on the orange

[11:40] tones and we dialed that down on the

[11:42] renderings a little bit because it

[11:43] showed very orange last month when we

[11:45] met and so now we've kind of we did a

[11:48] better match to that uh color that we're

[11:50] selecting. Uh on the next slide I think

[11:53] we have a couple of zoomin views.

[11:57] Uh this is building 400 showing that

[12:00] added level of of masonry and kind of

[12:02] how it helped the overall proportions of

[12:04] the building. I'll pass these colors if

[12:07] you would like. These are the three

[12:08] fiber cement accents. Uh and then the

[12:11] next slide,

[12:13] it goes back and looks at the facade for

[12:16] uh 398 College. This is the entry to the

[12:19] leasing office. And really what what's

[12:21] different about this this rendering here

[12:23] compared to what we've seen is we've got

[12:25] the colors to match a lot better the

[12:27] samples that we're passing around now.

[12:29] So it got a little bit more neutral. I

[12:32] think I think in the some of the

[12:33] renderings we showed you last month, the

[12:35] colors had gotten a little bit too warm,

[12:37] almost brown, and that was not the

[12:39] intention. We were going for this

[12:41] neutral grays, and that's what you see

[12:44] passing around. Uh the base of that uh

[12:48] of what we're calling the the treehouse

[12:49] on the on the left side of the screen

[12:51] there. The base, as Jacob mentioned, we

[12:54] went with the darker accents. We took

[12:56] the wood out of it. We had some wood

[12:58] accents and I think there was strong

[13:00] recommendation from from the board last

[13:02] month to stick to the gray and let the

[13:04] wood accent be where we have it around

[13:06] the windows and that's what we've done.

[13:08] Uh, next slide shows a perspective view

[13:10] of it. Again, just kind of puts it all

[13:12] in context. You're seeing the College

[13:14] Avenue facade there and the storefront

[13:16] where we have the leasing and the entry

[13:18] and the commercial space. So, that kind

[13:20] of all puts it together uh with a better

[13:23] color match to the samples that you uh

[13:25] that you've got in your hands.

[13:28] Next slide. Um,

[13:32] oh yeah. So this uh this is the back of

[13:34] the building now 398. Uh we have talked

[13:37] about uh there was positive feedback

[13:39] related to the brick detailing and the

[13:41] articulation that we provided along

[13:43] College Avenue. We we were advised to go

[13:46] back and take another look at the back

[13:48] of the building and see if we can add a

[13:50] little bit of that details uh that

[13:52] masonry detailing. And so you can see

[13:55] here on that this is a zoom in

[13:56] perspective that we didn't have last

[13:59] time. We just wanted to zoom in so we

[14:00] can show some of the details and that

[14:02] little sliver of the elevation there.

[14:04] You can see that we introduced uh um at

[14:06] the very top we introduced a rollock

[14:09] course uh and a soldier course under it.

[14:11] So kind of gives it a little bit of a

[14:12] termination at the top of the masonry.

[14:15] We've got the soldier course and the and the roll locks around the windows.

[14:19] And we also introduced a continuous band

[14:22] at the masonry below the lowest level uh

[14:24] lowest residential level uh windows. And

[14:27] so it really it kind of it does some of

[14:30] what we were trying to achieve at the

[14:31] front of the building. It just gives it

[14:33] a little bit more detail. It dresses it

[14:34] up a little bit and in a sense it kind

[14:36] of helps break the scale some with all

[14:38] the banding that's being proposed. So

[14:40] that was that was this slide here.

[14:43] Uh and then this again kind of puts it

[14:45] all kind of zoomed out. This is the

[14:47] [clears throat] the full College Avenue

[14:49] frontage there. You can see how it all

[14:50] comes together. I think with the added

[14:53] brick on on building 400 there, it kind

[14:56] of started to put the overall massing

[14:58] and the composition a little bit more

[14:59] consistent between the two buildings, we

[15:01] knew we didn't want to have a, you know,

[15:04] a repeat of the same architecture that

[15:07] we're using, but more or less we wanted

[15:09] the same language and same materiality.

[15:11] And I think that helped kind of get the

[15:13] scales to be a little bit more uh uh

[15:16] consistent and matching between the two buildings even though the scale is

[15:20] slightly different.

[15:22] Um and I think that's really it for the

[15:25] architectural slides. I know past this

[15:28] point we've got a few more slides that

[15:30] we had from last month that we needed to

[15:31] reference. Uh, we've got the 2D

[15:33] elevations as well if you all have any

[15:35] questions, but it was really kind of

[15:37] more of just trying to really zero in on

[15:40] the actual materials and put it all

[15:42] together to make sure that it it it

[15:44] blends and it works well. Um, so happy

[15:47] to answer any questions. [clears throat]

[15:49] Uh, I know Chris is is here. We can we

[15:51] can jump into right landscape. And

[15:53] >> I I just have one quick question. Accent

[15:56] to the left of these windows here. Is

[15:58] that the same as over here?

[16:00] >> That's correct.

[16:00] >> Okay. because some of these pictures

[16:01] aren't exactly the same. I just want to

[16:03] make sure those are supposed to be the

[16:04] same.

[16:04] >> Yeah, they're same. And I think maybe

[16:06] what we had done was we we kind of

[16:09] doctorred some of it on the large

[16:10] building to match this and maybe we

[16:13] missed doing that on the 400,

[16:15] >> but it's intended to be the same.

[16:17] >> Just a procedural question. Should we

[16:19] ask for public input just on the

[16:21] materials and architectural expression?

[16:23] >> That is I mean it's one really

[16:25] application. You can split up if you

[16:27] want, but it's probably best to ask for

[16:29] it in total. I think

[16:31] >> is really one application.

[16:34] >> Does anybody want to bring up anything

[16:35] while it's fresh in their heads tied to

[16:37] the color choice and the detailing?

[16:41] >> I think it looks a lot better raising

[16:42] that bridge.

[16:47] » What is the crowning element at that final story on building 400? that

[16:52] it will be. So the top level of the cap

[16:54] is a fiber cement panel and so what

[16:56] we're going to have at the very top is

[16:58] going to be a coping. So it'll be a

[16:59] metal coping that would extend down and

[17:02] just kind of have a little bit of a

[17:03] termination edge at the very top. Is

[17:05] that what we're talking about? Yeah.

[17:06] >> Yeah. I mean it honestly looks I see

[17:08] some sort of like verticality within

[17:10] that hatch pattern.

[17:11] >> Oh, there's a weird printing or

[17:13] something.

[17:14] >> Yeah. So this is really more of the

[17:15] reveal patterning that we're doing on

[17:17] this. So like in typical field condition

[17:19] where we have the fiber cement panel, we

[17:21] really have uh we have two main

[17:23] conditions. We have the board and batton

[17:24] and that's what we're using where we

[17:26] have some of the white uh the lightest

[17:29] white color. We have the board and

[17:30] battons and that helps kind of break the

[17:32] scale, makes it give it more of a

[17:34] residential feel. Uh and then with the

[17:36] rest of the fiber cement panel, normally

[17:38] those come in sheets of 4x8 and so you

[17:40] would have kind of reveals at the at the

[17:42] transition from panel to panel. on the

[17:45] front on College Avenue here, we just

[17:46] kind of introduced a slightly more

[17:48] elevated pattern related to that re to the reveals. So, instead of it just

[17:52] being the regular reveals, you know,

[17:54] every four feet, we've done something

[17:56] that breaks it, gives it a little bit

[17:58] more detail where it fronts uh College

[18:01] Avenue. And that's kind of what you're

[18:02] seeing below the metal coping further

[18:05] down you're seeing some of those reveals

[18:06] start and stop. We're trying to come up

[18:08] with an interesting compositions with a

[18:10] prominent facade.

[18:11] >> Sure. Yeah, I get that. The coping

[18:14] itself is is solid metal. Yes.

[18:17] >> Coping. Okay.

[18:18] >> Yes. It would be a metal metal coping.

[18:20] And that would only be that would only

[18:21] be at the top of the parapit. And

[18:24] usually you would have a leg that kind

[18:25] of extends down 46 in or so.

[18:28] >> Okay. It just looks like something more

[18:30] unique.

[18:30] >> Almost like a soldier or

[18:33] >> Yeah. Or some sort of wood.

[18:35] >> I think it's just one

[18:36] >> like the rendering

[18:39] of it.

[18:40] >> And I agree the brick work is nice. I I

[18:43] think that's a nice a nice improvement.

[18:45] >> And we went like Jacob said with the

[18:47] dark face to the tower.

[18:48] >> That's correct. Yes. Yeah. Uh and one thing to point out, you know, where

[18:52] the plan is and Chris will talk about

[18:54] this a little bit more where we have to

[18:56] amenities on 398. We're kind of going

[18:58] with like that that decking that's got

[19:00] the same texture and color. So, we're

[19:02] going to be doing a match to that to

[19:04] help blend it. So, really what we've

[19:06] done is we've taken the wood accent away

[19:08] from the base. And I think to a certain

[19:11] degree that helped kind of float that,

[19:13] you know, element that we're

[19:14] celebrating. But then we'll tie these

[19:17] color palettes again when we have the

[19:18] decking at the at the very at the very

[19:21] bottom. Yeah. There like here it still

[19:23] shows this kind of lighter orange colors

[19:25] that we had from last time because I

[19:26] know when we were putting this together,

[19:28] we were still coordinating on the

[19:29] landscape side. Uh but we we do actually

[19:32] have the material here that you'll see

[19:34] in a little bit. Uh and it's a it's it's

[19:36] more of a match to this. So it kind of

[19:38] ties it all together. It's not going to

[19:40] be that light light orange color that is

[19:43] shown here right at that amenity level.

[19:48] » Thank you.

[19:54] Jump into landscape before we

[19:57] go.

[20:03] » Um do you want to report out at all

[20:05] before they present? Do you want to

[20:07] report out at all before they report on

[20:09] landscape?

[20:09] >> No, I'm just happy to go right into it.

[20:12] Go through all the changes been made.

[20:27] So that set has it.

[20:32] [clears throat]

[20:32] >> Forgot my magnifying glass.

[20:36] I think you have it on glasses.

[20:57] » Just when you get ready, just introduce

[20:59] yourself before you start presenting.

[21:01] Thank you.

[21:09] Good evening. Uh I'm Chris Lazich with

[21:11] Ironwood Design Group. Um we're the

[21:13] landscape architects for both projects.

[21:16] Um we kind of did a quick run through

[21:18] because there wasn't enough time for the

[21:20] landscape review prior to last month's

[21:23] meeting. So we understood that the

[21:26] smaller plans that were requested are

[21:28] harder to see. So, we sent full-size

[21:30] prints in and took the time after our

[21:32] last run through to meet with Nathan in

[21:35] person to review the plans and have

[21:37] picked up those comments, the the

[21:39] feedback and tried our best to address

[21:41] those. Um, which you'll see reflected in

[21:44] the digital and the prints that you have

[21:46] in front of you. Uh, starting with the I

[21:50] guess we can start with the south

[21:51] building in the hardscape. Um, as you

[21:55] might recall, there's a couple main

[21:57] materials that we have along the

[21:58] streetscape. Um, the sidewalk, if we're

[22:01] on page 1.1s,

[22:07] the main sidewalk you see is the city

[22:09] standard with the new U tree grates and

[22:13] the stamped concrete bands that you see

[22:16] coming off that are designated as P2

[22:19] for the bands. and HO2 is the the new

[22:22] city updated standard for the tree

[22:24] grates and just a regular broom swept

[22:27] concrete. As you transition from that

[22:30] 10-ft sidewalk, um what's designated as

[22:34] H I'm sorry, uh PO4 is an etched

[22:39] finished concrete. This is a higherend

[22:41] finish of concrete that has some specs

[22:43] and some different aggregates. So

[22:45] there's a contrast that is the main

[22:47] field you'll see and it's represented by

[22:50] um this material here is

[22:53] you want to pass that around at the main

[22:56] entrances for both buildings. We'll

[22:58] touch on this one first is PO7 which is

[23:01] our pre-cast concrete PA. Um we had

[23:05] presented this briefly with the warm

[23:07] tones uh at our last meeting uh that go

[23:10] and uh accommodate what is shown on the

[23:14] building. We also brought some other

[23:16] alternate color selections that we can

[23:18] pass out if you know the tones um if

[23:21] there's comments or you want to see what

[23:23] the other options are available.

[23:26] Um the main uh planter walls that you

[23:28] see is the terracing which is designated

[23:31] as HO3 and runs uh along the street is a

[23:35] board form concrete uh planter with

[23:39] joints. It's a gray tone and it's

[23:41] represented by this. So that will be all

[23:44] of the the planter walls that are um

[23:46] that vary in height. They wrap the

[23:48] corner as you can kind of see um

[23:52] the HO3 on the corner and then it turns

[23:55] up the street and we the leasing and

[23:58] retail entrance is about uh 2 and 1/2 ft

[24:02] taller than the street and the street is

[24:04] sloping up from left to right. So those

[24:06] planters come down in height as the

[24:08] grade of the street um comes down. But

[24:10] you'll see a couple courses. Uh it's a 6

[24:13] in uh pattern for the board.

[24:16] This is the wall.

[24:17] >> This is the vertical wall. Yeah. And the

[24:19] top will just be a clean uh concrete.

[24:22] >> Same color.

[24:24] >> It's formed.

[24:27] >> Uh we do have uh railings uh on as we go

[24:31] down to L1.2. We have a cable railing

[24:35] system. It's just a black. I did bring

[24:37] metal samples um that show it, but it's

[24:40] a wire cable um railing guard rail where

[24:43] it's needed. Uh it's designated as uh

[24:47] H31

[24:53] and that's the cable railing. It'll have

[24:55] black posts which are

[25:16] pass. This is the closest match I had

[25:18] missing. Um, it's on the next page.

[25:25] Yes.

[25:28] » Yes. Thank you for pointing that. L6.1

[25:31] shows the character image for the style

[25:33] of ring.

[25:37] And then we have uh just the the viper

[25:40] racks that we're showing uh along there

[25:43] are designated as H04. It will also be

[25:46] black to match and it's shown on I

[25:48] believe 6 uh one detail 19.0

[25:58] » 6.0 [clears throat]

[26:00] I'm sorry.

[26:18] And just to point out a couple things as

[26:21] we come along to 1.3.

[26:24] Um the only thing we're showing is we

[26:27] wanted to point out is that the sidewalk

[26:28] at the city's request has been flipped

[26:30] to the alternate side of rigs. So the

[26:33] only thing you're seeing is as far as a

[26:35] hardcape is just a regular concrete uh

[26:38] sidewalk that gets you out to rigs for

[26:40] life safety egress uh reasons.

[26:44] And on 1.4 Four,

[26:49] there was a request during the meeting

[26:51] to reconfigure the fire lane to allow

[26:54] for more buffer that we'll talk about in

[26:56] the landscape uh as you come down the

[26:58] hill from the neighborhood. So, we've

[27:01] addressed that and that's designated as

[27:03] shown in the hex uh the hexagonal uh

[27:06] pattern. As before, it kind of ran along

[27:08] the property line to the north. This

[27:10] allowed us to create more landscape

[27:12] space and to screen that because as

[27:15] you're coming down the hill that's a

[27:16] prominent view. Uh so getting the

[27:18] mixture of evergreens and we'll talk

[27:20] about that in the landscape but it helps

[27:22] us to buffer that back side of the

[27:23] building.

[27:24] >> So also just little input there are

[27:28] transform I think transformers there

[27:30] >> and so we had to have so much clearance

[27:32] for the transformers which prevented us

[27:34] from having screening right against that

[27:37] area anyway. So that that was the basis

[27:40] for that recommendation. Uh as well

[27:44] >> and that's going to be a grass pave.

[27:45] There's a concrete apron. So it'll just

[27:47] appear as a lawn space. It's not going

[27:49] to be an exposed concrete or asphalt.

[27:52] [clears throat]

[27:56] U moving to is there any questions so

[27:59] far?

[28:02] So on the front walkway, front steps, I

[28:06] see you have this material here on the

[28:09] top.

[28:10] >> That's right.

[28:10] >> What is the is it coming to the first

[28:14] riser?

[28:15] >> Yes.

[28:15] >> And if so, how is that turn down being

[28:18] dealt with? Are you just seeing the edge

[28:20] of this material or what does that riser

[28:23] profile actually look like? will have a

[28:26] tread on grade like a top riser that the

[28:28] PA will butt into. So there will be a

[28:32] flush tread at the top to signify the

[28:35] beginning of the stair.

[28:36] >> Okay.

[28:37] >> Out of this concrete.

[28:39] >> That's right.

[28:46] » And then kind of moving to the lighting

[28:49] plans which are designated by the five

[28:51] series drawings.

[28:54] Um,

[29:00] [clears throat]

[29:01] we had in the the print, and I

[29:03] apologize, we have a full sight

[29:05] photometric that was distributed to the

[29:07] team. It doesn't look like it's in this

[29:09] electronic uh submission, but it shows

[29:12] the all of the light levels at the

[29:16] property lines around. Um, we showed

[29:21] light fixtures and the character image

[29:24] and the specs for those um, in the

[29:26] schedule on the top right and what those

[29:29] look like. We did get some comments

[29:31] about directing the uplights on 5.1

[29:35] in the treehouse area away from the

[29:38] right of way. You'll see that we have

[29:41] the city standard Duke power fixture

[29:44] spaced evenly between the trees along

[29:46] the street on College.

[29:48] And as you go up uh strode circle on

[29:51] both projects

[29:53] and then we have up lights which are

[29:56] designated by um the circular in the

[30:00] planters for uplighting the trees. Those

[30:02] are in grade

[30:06] [snorts]

[30:07] >> you can see in this document the uh

[30:09] sidewalk has been added on this coming

[30:12] up stro to bring a better pedestrian

[30:15] route from rigs to stroke. Thank you,

[30:17] Jacob. Yeah, I forgot to touch on that.

[30:19] [clears throat]

[30:20] >> Could I just add real

[30:23] the way that terminates where Rick

[30:25] starts, it seems a little sha seems a

[30:28] little shallow. Should we have a little

[30:29] more of a landing?

[30:32] >> Yeah, because you're going to stop there

[30:33] to wait for traffic.

[30:36] You know what I mean? Like, does that is

[30:38] that comfortable?

[30:40] That little slice right there.

[30:43] [clears throat] Should it kind of curve

[30:44] a little bit? Um, well, we don't want to

[30:47] direct people down rigs. They're going,

[30:49] this is a sidewalk right here across.

[30:52] >> I think the main problem I have with

[30:53] that intersection is you have those

[30:55] slanted spots. Even if those are

[30:56] pulling, you know, temporary parking for

[30:59] ride share or or food delivery. When

[31:01] they pull out, they're going either up

[31:03] Rift or upstroke. How are they going to

[31:04] get out of there? They're either turning

[31:06] around somebody's driveway or going all

[31:08] the way around circle.

[31:10] >> Yeah.

[31:10] >> Is that big enough to put a rotary in

[31:12] there? Like a onelane rotary. You think

[31:14] that would keep traffic from going up

[31:16] Rigs or Strode? Because college kids are

[31:18] just going to go up Riggs and turn

[31:20] around in somebody's driveway. They're

[31:21] not going to go all the way around.

[31:24] I was thinking about that. I drove by

[31:25] there the other day for a one-way lane

[31:27] rotary. It might fit.

[31:28] >> That's a good idea. And that the parking

[31:30] topic you're bringing up was brought up

[31:31] during the planning commission's review.

[31:33] And it might have I forget who it was.

[31:35] It might have been the commissioner, but

[31:37] the lead, but he they had talked about

[31:39] making those perpendicular spots so

[31:41] there wasn't the kind of encouragement

[31:42] to pull back out and head up bridge.

[31:44] >> Well, I'm hoping even if you just pull

[31:45] off the side, it's still facing that

[31:46] way. You're not going to turn around in

[31:48] the middle of the road. You're just

[31:49] going to turn around somebody's driveway

[31:50] and there's enough traffic.

[31:52] >> I mean, this is going to cause enough

[31:53] people going up that way anyway. I'd

[31:55] like to see some way where they could

[31:56] turn around [clears throat] before

[31:57] trying to make that option.

[32:00] >> Have that option.

[32:00] >> We did talk about dedicating some

[32:02] parking spaces within the parking deck.

[32:05] for for deliveries and Uber and and

[32:07] pickup.

[32:07] >> Yeah, I mean we

[32:08] >> that doesn't

[32:09] >> we could ultimately [clears throat] just

[32:11] get rid of these.

[32:12] >> Uh one thing with the ride share um I'm

[32:13] up Earl Street. I have a business up

[32:15] Earl Street and the you the Uber or the

[32:18] food delivery and ride share, they know

[32:20] where to pull off. Nine times out of 10,

[32:22] the person blocking the road is a family

[32:24] member or friend dropping off people to

[32:26] get in and out and they it's pretty much

[32:28] every day you'll see a car just park

[32:29] there like 10 20 seconds, but they park

[32:31] in the middle of the street, let people

[32:32] in and out. So, you do see a lot of

[32:35] friends and family that are going to

[32:36] utilize that. And I I'm pretty sure

[32:39] they're going to come up here and try to

[32:40] utilize it there. And that's the one I'm

[32:41] worried about turning around people's

[32:43] driveways.

[32:44] >> Yeah. I would like to discourage

[32:47] >> any unnecessary traffic into a

[32:48] residential neighborhood.

[32:49] >> If you could fit a one lane rotary

[32:51] there, I mean, it's it would be tight.

[32:56] >> I'm I'm not sure about the rotary. We

[32:58] can we look at it up. I would be

[33:02] inclined to do away with the parking as

[33:04] well. I don't I mean it's it's

[33:07] every little bit counts. I get it. But

[33:09] it's a it's really awkward. Think about

[33:11] a pedestrian walking down there. You're

[33:13] just going to skip over the the parking

[33:15] or the sidewalk cuz it's just cuz it's

[33:17] funky jog to it. Just be a lot cleaner

[33:20] without it

[33:22] like getting the need for drop offs and

[33:24] well which that is not but you know a

[33:26] drop off space for Uber

[33:29] >> and what have you. But So you're saying

[33:31] instead of

[33:33] >> just [snorts] take a walk straight down

[33:35] instead of using the sidewalk.

[33:36] >> Yeah.

[33:37] >> Goes around

[33:38] >> or maybe two parallel spots it' be only

[33:41] 10 ft and the sidewalk could come into,

[33:44] you know, wouldn't be so far out there

[33:45] as

[33:47] >> Yeah.

[33:47] >> I think in real world what's going to

[33:49] happen is they're going to pull down the

[33:50] street anyways and just stop in the road

[33:52] and let people on and off and then drive

[33:53] up and turn around someone's driveway

[33:55] where go around stroke. people are going

[33:57] to go up there to pull off. And

[33:59] >> so is it better just to do two parallel

[34:01] then

[34:02] >> do parallel and three parallel we can

[34:03] fit but I'm more worried about them

[34:05] still facing that direction and heading

[34:08] [clears throat] up towards the road or

[34:11] >> I don't think we have the room to do a

[34:13] perpendicular

[34:15] >> without taking out the trees that are

[34:18] over there. Well, if you look at the

[34:21] grading lines, that 32 inch pine is

[34:24] technically already gone because they're

[34:27] showing the grading lines

[34:30] being stacked up and and manipulated and

[34:34] printed very very lightly.

[34:37] But in reality, that 32 inch pine's

[34:40] gone.

[34:43] >> Uh that's

[34:44] >> I think they're leaving that that grain

[34:46] as is. That would be it's been updated.

[34:50] I think what you're seeing from that

[34:53] >> save those ones

[34:57] right here

[34:58] >> that 32 inch pine. Yes.

[35:00] >> I mean there's a lot of great change. I

[35:02] don't know how they're doing that.

[35:04] I I think existing what the the intent

[35:07] from the civil engineer was that they

[35:10] could get this sidewalk in as it was and

[35:14] maintain that grade that's existing just

[35:16] dropping off.

[35:20] » That was the width of Stro currently

[35:22] wider.

[35:23] >> Yeah, they're going to take you out of

[35:31] wing in that creek, right?

[35:34] Um

[35:35] yes to an extent.

[35:43] » Um we can flip to the landscape on 8.1

[35:47] uh to kind of talk about this area.

[35:51] Um so we have the the creek area that's

[35:55] being uh maintained and uh protected. Um

[35:59] we are rerouting obviously some of the

[36:01] streams that are on the project and one

[36:03] is coming under the building that you'll

[36:05] see um on the branch on the right. We

[36:09] had presented our plans in November and

[36:12] as I said we had a chance to meet with

[36:14] uh with Nathan and Jacob up at the

[36:17] office and the [clears throat]

[36:20] suggestion was to create more tree add

[36:22] more trees create a a denser uh planting

[36:26] a mix of overstory and understory which

[36:29] we think we've done a a good job of uh

[36:33] strengthening that. We've also been able

[36:36] to save the 28 in oak which was the

[36:38] comment. So we've got that in. There's

[36:40] an existing wall there that's going to

[36:42] remain. That's kind of how it is today.

[36:45] So that tree will stay on on the corner.

[36:47] So you're seeing a total of four of the

[36:49] existing large trees that are staying.

[36:51] And then we're supplementing uh with

[36:54] selected species both at the north end

[36:57] of this plan and along college. So

[37:00] you'll be higher on the street looking

[37:02] down toward the treehouse, the deck, and

[37:05] the the creek area. So mostly native and

[37:08] adaptive plant um pellets. We took some

[37:12] of the suggestions that we went over

[37:15] in person and picked those up.

[37:20] Uh we have uh American elms as the

[37:22] street tree. I don't think we got a

[37:24] comment on that. They're currently

[37:26] spaced at

[37:28] basically 40 ft. There's some where

[37:30] they're a little bit closer to align

[37:32] with the building and the entrances.

[37:38] And then moving to 8.2,

[37:43] the continuation of the streetscape

[37:46] uh on the plan uh plan east side. We

[37:50] have uh existing wall that is graded

[37:53] between the adjacent property that is

[37:55] going to be um rebuilt and we're

[37:59] reveating that area. I think one of the

[38:01] comments we got from November was what's

[38:03] going on in this area. So we have now

[38:05] shown there is a sidewalk. It only goes

[38:08] down to the stair. It doesn't continue

[38:11] to strobe to create a I think comment

[38:13] was a walkth through. Um, so it just

[38:16] very it just goes down to the plan to

[38:18] collect a stair tower and get people

[38:19] safely out to college. Uh, and then we

[38:22] are supplementing and screening that

[38:24] wall. We have some turf areas and some

[38:27] foundation uh, evergreen plantings.

[38:32] » I got one question. This is more for

[38:34] Nathan. Um, Nathan, these American elms

[38:36] are going to be the ones on College A.

[38:38] >> Yes.

[38:38] >> Um, are you guys using those? What is

[38:40] it? The Corona street grates for tree

[38:42] grates for that?

[38:43] >> Yes. Um, are those the same trees we

[38:45] have going up in front of the churches?

[38:47] Because all those grates are this high

[38:49] up. You know, after a couple years, even

[38:51] in front of back streets when we did the

[38:52] streetscape, that tree we had to take

[38:54] down pushed the grade up about that

[38:56] much. You you've seen the problems we

[38:58] had.

[38:58] >> Yeah, these are going to have that

[38:59] problem

[39:00] >> in silver cells.

[39:01] >> Excuse me.

[39:01] >> These ones are going to be planted in

[39:03] silver cells.

[39:04] >> Okay. So, we're not going to have that

[39:05] problem 10 years down the road.

[39:06] >> Should not. And there should be with the

[39:08] sila cells. I'm guessing there's also a

[39:10] chemical root barrier

[39:12] >> as well.

[39:13] between the sidewalk.

[39:15] >> Um,

[39:17] >> yeah, we go believe we've engineered

[39:18] around that.

[39:21] >> Um, the only the only comment I have on

[39:23] this page is the size that those

[39:28] [laughter] the tulip poppplers are going

[39:29] to go in on the right. Um, I would just

[39:32] put a straight sodine because and just

[39:36] let that natural succession of shade out the grass. Okay. But having

[39:42] this wavy sodline for five years down

[39:46] the road just doesn't make sense.

[39:49] >> Sure, we can do that.

[39:50] >> I would just straighten that. Okay.

[39:54] >> And thank you for your suggestion.

[39:57] >> Uh going to 8.3.

[40:00] Uh you'll see the continuation of where

[40:02] we added the additional trees. A comment

[40:05] that we received this morning that we

[40:07] addressed is the density of the planting

[40:10] screening along the evergreen planting

[40:12] along rigs. Um we have supplemented that

[40:16] uh and suggested uh using a mixture of

[40:19] evergreen giant arborite with the shade

[40:22] trees behind and then broke it up with

[40:24] the crypto area. Um and we continue that

[40:28] on to 8.4 to create an evergreen buffer

[40:32] and then have a backdrop of of a canopy

[40:35] tree behind it. And as you see on 8.4,

[40:40] we've got the evergreen screen with some

[40:42] shade trees in that triangle that we

[40:44] talked about when we reconfigured the

[40:46] fire lane.

[40:54] » Any questions?

[41:00] We can look at the north building.

[41:05] So the only question I have is based on

[41:07] the renderings

[41:09] like if you look at the architectural

[41:12] rendering page one there is a like I

[41:16] know we can't comment on the interior

[41:20] courtyard that's inside amenity but

[41:23] there is green plantings on the top of

[41:26] that building that I don't see anywhere

[41:28] on any of the plans. Yeah, I I I don't

[41:31] have those plans in front of me. It is

[41:34] um I think we took the suggestion that

[41:36] you had for the planner. It's uh the

[41:38] green um

[41:41] uh

[41:43] what did we put there? I can pull it up

[41:45] and get you that information. I don't

[41:48] have that plan. It's a It's a evergreen

[41:50] hedge [clears throat] that softens that

[41:52] guard rail behind it. and they're in a

[41:54] two foot by two foot planter system like

[41:57] a

[41:59] >> because I don't I don't remember ever I

[42:02] don't think I ever commented on it

[42:03] because I don't

[42:04] >> no there was a a plant selection comment

[42:06] and I apologize don't remember

[42:10] you had made

[42:14] » so I would just want to know what that

[42:16] is so

[42:20] is there something that you would like

[42:22] to see from

[42:24] I would just like to make sure it's

[42:25] maintained.

[42:26] >> Yeah.

[42:27] >> I just don't

[42:32] » I mean that could be fine. I just don't

[42:34] know what's up there. So I don't want to

[42:36] recommend something

[42:38] that's

[42:40] I don't know what I'm recommending

[42:42] against.

[42:43] >> Sure. The the intent is a trimmed narrow

[42:47] hedge like that will be maintained

[42:50] evergreen.

[42:54] So it be like it will be manicured like

[42:56] trimmed down and

[42:56] >> That's right. Yeah. It's a vertical

[42:59] compact. Um

[43:01] >> I mean as long as you have drainage up

[43:02] there and irrigation.

[43:04] >> Yeah, we have irrigation and drainage.

[43:06] It sits in uh a planter system with a

[43:09] drain to the uh slab system

[43:12] >> and it's blocking a railing.

[43:15] >> There's a railing that's set back 2 ft

[43:17] from the parapit edge.

[43:18] >> Okay.

[43:18] >> So that's creating a green buffer. So,

[43:20] it's a wellness deck,

[43:22] >> okay,

[43:22] >> that's going up there. It's just

[43:24] pedestal pavers uh with some planter

[43:26] pots that are back. You don't see them.

[43:28] And then it's got a perimeter uh

[43:31] fabricated GFRC or um fiberglass planter

[43:34] system that sits back behind. And then

[43:37] the evergreen hedge sits up above the

[43:39] parapit and you have the guard rail uh

[43:42] behind that.

[43:44] >> I mean, it would be easy to put, you

[43:46] know, a U up there.

[43:48] That's along I was trying to get the

[43:50] exact spec.

[43:50] >> I mean like a Duke gardens you or

[43:52] something like that. Super easy to

[43:54] maintain

[43:55] >> and that's along the lines. I just

[43:56] didn't want to speak and tell you one

[43:58] thing and be another. But that's the

[44:01] design intent is exactly what you're

[44:03] describing.

[44:07] » So just so the board knows all of the

[44:10] comments that I had made were taken into

[44:12] consideration.

[44:14] Um, one of the big things was removing

[44:17] like the wildflower

[44:19] proposed like wildflower meadow mixture

[44:22] in the floodway. Um, that is not going

[44:25] to be a successful long-term element

[44:28] just due to maintenance. Um,

[44:31] and so that was a big element. Um we,

[44:38] you know, they have just sort of a

[44:40] monoulture in there that I think even if

[44:42] it does flood, even if it does wash,

[44:45] it's going to bounce back. Not going to

[44:47] be an issue. Ornamental grasses will

[44:50] provide a high high density fibrous root

[44:53] system. So once established

[44:56] um I do have a question Jacob whether

[44:59] the success rate of the seating the

[45:04] hydro seating is there an expected

[45:08] outcome or success rate of the hydro

[45:11] seating if a certain percentage is not

[45:13] >> yes so of every square [snorts]

[45:14] foot 70% has to germinate for us to sign

[45:18] basically sign off on it

[45:19] >> so before they get co you actually have

[45:22] to have germination if not then they

[45:23] have opposed to bond.

[45:24] >> Okay. Thank you.

[45:27] >> Going back to the rooftop, the plant

[45:31] plants on top. Is there is it right next

[45:34] to the edge? How much room is there

[45:37] between that plant on the rooftop and

[45:40] the edge of the building?

[45:41] >> So, I think we're set back 2 feet.

[45:43] >> Yeah.

[45:44] >> Two feet. Okay.

[45:45] >> Yeah.

[45:45] >> Just for safety purposes.

[45:48] >> And yes, there's a guard rail for safety

[45:50] behind it. It's not the planter we're

[45:52] counting on for the

[45:54] >> Yeah. So, your guardrail will be

[45:56] standard height 42 in for a fall

[45:58] protection. Then you'll have a twoft

[46:00] where there's a planter and then you

[46:03] have a raised slightly raised parapit

[46:05] that you see in the renderings.

[46:06] >> So, the all you're going to see is the

[46:08] hedge above the parapit and maybe the

[46:11] top rail and some glass.

[46:13] >> Okay. I've not seen a rail like this.

[46:16] >> Yeah. So, just for clarification on

[46:18] L-6.1,

[46:21] the uh item number seven, the

[46:23] rectangular planter. Is that the

[46:27] fiberglass planter that's going up

[46:29] there?

[46:29] >> That's Yes.

[46:30] >> Okay. So, it's just a series of those.

[46:33] >> Yes. Modular. Yes. They're all standard

[46:36] size.

[46:36] >> What's all drained, all irrigated?

[46:40] And the spec I just pulled it up is

[46:50] we have a prostrate rosemary right now,

[46:54] but we can uh switch it to the Hicks uh

[46:58] view.

[46:59] >> No, the Duke Gardens.

[47:00] >> Duke Gardens.

[47:01] >> Yep. Hicks is too tall.

[47:03] >> Okay.

[47:10] Duke Gardens U

[47:14] and the plural is on gardens not on

[47:16] Dukes

[47:18] >> and that can be trimmed and stay healthy

[47:20] like that

[47:21] >> 100%.

[47:22] >> Okay.

[47:29] » I have a question. And I'm just curious

[47:31] on L61 number eight cabana scenic. Is

[47:37] that on the rooftop?

[47:38] >> Yes, it's set back. You don't see it

[47:40] from the street.

[47:42] >> Is that reference

[47:44] >> to L54S?

[47:46] >> It is on 5.5.

[47:50] >> So that's not included. It's the amenity

[47:53] deck.

[47:53] >> Okay.

[47:55] >> Yeah. You don't see it in the renderings

[47:57] or anything. It set back a good 40.

[48:00] >> Wondering where it was. Okay.

[48:02] [clears throat]

[48:07] » From way back there, you might see.

[48:08] >> I do have a question. The the string

[48:10] lights that are up there that are shown

[48:13] on this plan,

[48:14] >> they're in the courtyard only.

[48:17] >> But it's still a rooftop courtyard.

[48:19] >> No, the courtyard is on the back side

[48:21] and it's on grade. It's wrapped.

[48:25] What you see on on 8.4 4

[48:28] >> or 5.4.

[48:30] >> Yeah. Or 5.4.

[48:32] That is behind the amenity deck is on

[48:35] the top of the structure.

[48:39] » So there's two there's an amenity deck

[48:41] on level eight and there's a ground

[48:43] level courtyard on B1 that's wrapped by

[48:46] the building.

[48:47] >> This one here.

[48:48] >> Okay.

[48:49] >> So where's the plan for the amenity

[48:51] deck? because that is visible

[48:55] from adjacent.

[48:58] I mean, not if you're on the sidewalk

[49:00] below the building.

[49:02] >> Well, the amenity deck is set back a

[49:04] good ways. Like there's uh I forget the

[49:07] dimension.

[49:07] >> It's going to be like Yeah. over 30 ft

[49:10] from the face of the building.

[49:11] >> Yeah. You're not really going to see

[49:13] that from anywhere.

[49:14] >> Okay. Yeah, that's that's 30 ft from the

[49:17] high barit. And then you've got the

[49:19] detail projections at the ground level.

[49:21] So from the

[49:23] >> the detail is sitting even more than

[49:25] that. [clears throat]

[49:27] >> This is not from a realistic

[49:29] perspective. It's as if you're flying.

[49:32] >> So yeah, so the amenity deck is

[49:34] essentially on top of the pre-cast deck.

[49:36] So it's

[49:37] >> okay

[49:37] >> behind the units altogether. The roof of

[49:39] the units, the wood construction doesn't

[49:41] have any amenities on top.

[49:48] We do have three trees up there. They're

[49:51] sweet base.

[49:57] [clears throat] Those will bake, but

[49:59] they might work.

[50:02] That's going to be hot.

[50:04] >> Yeah, they might.

[50:05] >> That's a good plan to show

[50:06] >> right here.

[50:07] >> Yeah,

[50:08] it's kind of in the center of the

[50:10] building,

[50:13] right above the pre-cast construction.

[50:15] Yeah, it's just that lower bay of the

[50:17] parking there like Yeah. from the

[50:20] midpoint and then it's set back away

[50:22] from the face of the building, right? 30

[50:25] ft.

[50:25] >> So, can you tell us what dimensions

[50:29] those are and what square footage that

[50:31] deck is roughly? I'm just curious.

[50:34] >> Yeah. So, it's sitting it's sitting on

[50:36] top of a of a pre-cast uh of one of the

[50:40] two bays of the pre-cast. So, the depth

[50:42] of it is going to be right around 60 ft.

[50:44] Okay.

[50:45] >> And then the it runs the entire length

[50:48] of the parking deck, but you know, maybe

[50:50] a little over a third of that area is

[50:53] actually like an amenity clubhouse. Um,

[50:56] so I I can probably do actually uh the

[50:59] matrix if you have the matrix open. Um,

[51:05] so we can we can tell you like so like

[51:07] it's essentially it's the if you look at

[51:09] the pre-cast deck, it's the bottom half

[51:12] of it that runs all the way through.

[51:14] So 60.

[51:16] >> Yeah, it's about 100. I was going to

[51:18] >> 6,000 square feet is the is the amenity

[51:20] deck.

[51:21] >> Okay. Well, he said 60 or

[51:24] >> six 6,000.

[51:27] >> Yeah, it's a 60 60 ft by about 100 ft.

[51:31] >> Okay. All right. Thank you.

[51:33] >> And that's that will be closed. We that

[51:36] was talked about earlier, right? Closed

[51:38] at a certain time at night.

[51:41] And there's a sound wall and everything

[51:43] to prevent the noise from going to the

[51:44] neighborhood and everything. And it's so

[51:46] high up

[51:56] » and then touching on the the north

[51:58] building quickly. It's less scope. Um so

[52:00] we should be able to to get through it.

[52:03] Um starting with uh 1.1 N

[52:15] combine all one document.

[52:16] >> Oh okay. It might be first then.

[52:27] So picking up the same uh language as we

[52:30] have along college with the city

[52:31] standard streetscape, the 10-ft

[52:33] sidewalk, the tree grates with the

[52:35] stamped concrete bands. We also pick up

[52:38] with the etched concrete at the the

[52:41] private the retail area which you're

[52:43] seeing again is PO4. There is an ongrade

[52:47] planter cutout which is what you're

[52:49] seeing in the void there. that will

[52:50] house two uh understory trees uh that

[52:54] frame that that the shape the street

[52:57] tree there. Uh we have bike racks at the

[53:00] corner for for the retail.

[53:03] As we wrap around Strode, we go to a

[53:05] 5-ft sidewalk. Um and then we have a an

[53:10] etched concrete connection to the to the

[53:13] building. And at the leasing main

[53:16] entrance designated as PO7 is the PA

[53:19] that we um that we passed along.

[53:26] And on the north side, the next page is

[53:30] the same thing with the PA going to the

[53:32] building connection and bike racks in

[53:36] front and some in the back.

[53:46] Uh for the lighting on 5.1,

[53:50] we've got up lights the same uh that

[53:52] we're using um for the south building.

[53:56] And then we've got tree up lights on the

[54:00] private side for the uh trees along

[54:02] Strode Circle.

[54:05] And that continues to the second page.

[54:08] So all the trees are on private property

[54:11] will still will be uplit um and service

[54:14] the

[54:15] trees along stroke.

[54:27] And then flipping to uh the north

[54:30] landscape 8.1

[54:32] north,

[54:36] we've got um basically the sidewalk at

[54:39] the the back of code

[54:42] on strode uh mixed with some some

[54:45] layered landscape and the the trees we

[54:47] discussed in the lawn that are up with.

[54:53] and you feel comfortable about the

[54:55] maintenance of the tulip poppplers along

[54:57] that road and the

[55:00] and them against the building.

[55:04] >> Um, as far as uh the maintenance of

[55:07] them, I I think that that they're a good

[55:11] selection given [clears throat] the

[55:12] space that we have. Um,

[55:14] >> I mean, based on they're a 40 foot wide

[55:18] tree and they're 10 ft from the

[55:20] building.

[55:22] I thought we had the the Arnold

[55:25] specified there doing that.

[55:28] >> It's not specified on on 7.1.

[55:34] And you also have the form folded

[55:36] ground. So that could have been a

[55:40] so you may want to

[55:42] >> Yeah, I think um we would probably

[55:44] select that to the upright upright

[55:46] version of that unless the the board has

[55:49] a a preference something they'd like to

[55:51] see. we can consider.

[55:55] » No. So, what I'm talking about is along

[55:57] the rigs, those tulip poppplers,

[56:00] >> they're, you know, I just don't see them

[56:02] being maintained unless they wanted to

[56:04] do like a pleach tree, which would be,

[56:07] you know, you know, very nice, you know,

[56:09] kept sort of European style, but I don't

[56:13] see I just see it getting butchered and

[56:15] then finally removed over time. So, uh,

[56:19] the only one that I think could possibly

[56:24] stay as the,

[56:26] uh, standard tulip popppler would be the

[56:29] fourth one back cuz it's further away.

[56:34] >> Yeah. And also on the north corner. And

[56:36] on the north corner, that one could

[56:38] probably be nudged slightly

[56:41] [clears throat]

[56:42] uh

[56:44] to, you know, a little

[56:47] uh east

[56:49] southeast

[56:50] uhish. And so

[56:53] that one could also stay as a standard tulip popppler. But I

[57:00] would just check those symbols

[57:03] is even 8.0 zero has a different symbol

[57:06] shown on the plan.

[57:10] >> Yeah, I saw that comment that looks like

[57:13] that sheet it's addressed in the plans

[57:15] that reference plan.

[57:18] We love we align that [clears throat]

[57:27] and then just scroll up to the uh

[57:32] the drivethru.

[57:36] So that is a sidewalk turning

[57:38] norththeast

[57:40] into

[57:42] that sidewalk goes and turns right

[57:44] there. Is that correct? that there is a

[57:47] path there,

[57:48] >> okay,

[57:51] » that takes you to the backside. And then

[57:53] we've got a ramp because we've got the

[57:55] wall along right at the property line

[57:57] where we can't landscape for the

[57:59] pharmacy.

[58:06] area. One other thought is back by the

[58:10] parking, you have pretty large beds of

[58:13] the mounding

[58:15] variety.

[58:17] Uh it might be

[58:19] more aesthetic and better to use this

[58:22] picata, the spreading variety, just to

[58:25] fill that in.

[58:26] >> Sure.

[58:44] So along along the strode side of the

[58:47] north building,

[58:49] the idea is keeping the tulip popppler

[58:53] at the turn end and then at the further

[58:56] end corner.

[58:57] >> You could say four and six.

[59:00] from the intersection with uh with

[59:04] college

[59:05] >> and what would you recommend elsewhere?

[59:08] >> They're going to still use a tulip

[59:09] popppler, but it's going to be the uh

[59:11] variety Arnold, which is an upright,

[59:14] which they have specified in other

[59:16] locations on the project.

[59:23] » Yeah, we have it on the the south

[59:26] building. I think that is a clerical

[59:29] error on the plant selection symbol. Um,

[59:32] apologize for that, but yes, that should

[59:34] be an upright. We can consider having

[59:35] the the larger ones where you had

[59:37] indicated.

[59:54] There any other questions that answered?

[1:00:01] [snorts]

[1:00:10] » As far as I'm concerned, he's taken a

[1:00:13] lot of the feedback

[1:00:15] in place.

[1:00:17] >> Um,

[1:00:19] I know we had public comment submitted.

[1:00:23] Do we have any other pop public comment

[1:00:25] in addition to that? Okay. How do we

[1:00:26] want to handle the public comment that

[1:00:28] was

[1:00:29] >> open up to the public comment at this

[1:00:30] time and see?

[1:00:33] >> But the one that was emailed to us.

[1:00:35] >> Everyone get a copy of it.

[1:00:36] >> Yeah.

[1:00:36] >> You have a chance to review.

[1:00:38] >> Okay.

[1:00:43] » I mean, as long as we're addressing the

[1:00:45] drainage and by the creek up to take the

[1:00:48] handle, I don't think we have a problem.

[1:00:50] >> Yeah. The drain is not the The per the

[1:00:54] city storm war manager have reviewed and

[1:00:59] tenatively approve it pending army corp

[1:01:04] » and then evergreen in the back side of

[1:01:07] the north building. So that was spoken

[1:01:09] to.

[1:01:10] >> Yep. That got dealt with

[1:01:11] >> sidewalk was spoken to. So from me from

[1:01:14] what I can gather and correct me if I'm

[1:01:15] wrong as I was taking notes. I think we

[1:01:18] need to return to just clear up the

[1:01:20] green along the treehouse tower part. Um

[1:01:23] and then the parking situation along

[1:01:26] Strode

[1:01:27] and those are the two big things that

[1:01:31] stood out to me.

[1:01:32] >> I I still think I still think if there's

[1:01:34] feasible since you guys do own the

[1:01:36] property on the side where the north

[1:01:37] building is, if it's feasible to put

[1:01:39] some kind of a turnaround in there um

[1:01:41] and not lose the pull off on the side

[1:01:43] here for uh for dropping off and picking

[1:01:46] people up. But I just don't really I'm

[1:01:48] not comfortable with pushing that much

[1:01:50] traffic up to the side streets or even

[1:01:52] around Strode

[1:01:53] >> those turn around in the driveway right

[1:01:56] there.

[1:01:56] >> Um that's still pulling in pulling out.

[1:01:58] I mean you could or you can just put if

[1:02:00] you do a rotary if it could fit there.

[1:02:01] You lose some of that north building

[1:02:03] though. I mean it depends on how much

[1:02:05] room you have there. You you'd have to

[1:02:07] go and take a look at what we actually

[1:02:08] have there. Um

[1:02:12] but I think that would help out a lot if

[1:02:13] we could fit it. It's that's That

[1:02:19] looks like pretty good. You have this

[1:02:21] side here which is coming up and then go

[1:02:24] around like that. So you lose these two

[1:02:26] corners but you lose the other

[1:02:29] [clears throat] road here. You get the

[1:02:30] center here. Just put traffic around

[1:02:32] this one lane. So you go here.

[1:02:38] That's if you can fit it. I've seen I've

[1:02:40] seen down on the coast. I've seen some

[1:02:41] small ones in in uh developments down

[1:02:44] there, retirement homes that actually do

[1:02:46] fit in here, but they're, you know, not

[1:02:48] really made for high traffic.

[1:02:50] >> If it's frustratingly small, it might be

[1:02:52] something to disincentivize people to

[1:02:54] cut through.

[1:02:56] [laughter]

[1:02:56] >> Just drive right over the middle.

[1:02:58] >> Well, I mean that that's we would

[1:03:00] probably have to have it as like a roll,

[1:03:01] you know, roll curve.

[1:03:02] >> Yeah, we could drive over it if we need.

[1:03:04] >> Well, they have those down on the coast

[1:03:06] and retirement communities that are

[1:03:08] pretty small. We can recommend the Take

[1:03:11] a look at

[1:03:11] >> take a look at a fire truck.

[1:03:14] >> It does a fire truck get through there.

[1:03:16] But like I said, you can do things with

[1:03:18] like a basically a bump drive over. But

[1:03:22] >> I'm not positive there's enough room.

[1:03:23] >> Yeah, that does not look

[1:03:26] like

[1:03:28] >> take if you take that off the table,

[1:03:30] what do we say? What do we see going on

[1:03:33] here in terms of parking?

[1:03:36] I mean you need a place to pull off or

[1:03:38] drop off picked up and they said they

[1:03:40] had something in the parking deck for

[1:03:41] that but I would still be pulling the

[1:03:43] park deck turning around here coming out

[1:03:45] college

[1:03:46] >> there is nothing

[1:03:49] on parking and there are going to be

[1:03:52] recommendations and not

[1:03:55] >> so there is nothing on college app to

[1:03:57] pull off there's just a sidewalk right

[1:03:59] >> there is a front area basically they've

[1:04:02] designed like a pull medium you know,

[1:04:04] area for like loading and unloading.

[1:04:08] >> Um, kind of show you that on the other

[1:04:10] >> that'd be on 1.2.

[1:04:12] >> Yeah.

[1:04:24] » Nice page. There we go. So, it's that

[1:04:27] area.

[1:04:27] >> This area right here.

[1:04:28] >> Okay.

[1:04:32] » That's all.

[1:04:34] Yep.

[1:04:36] >> It's not the most beautiful thing ever,

[1:04:38] but

[1:04:40] >> add a landscape island to screen this.

[1:04:42] >> Appreciate that.

[1:04:45] » But that's not like a like an Uber. It's

[1:04:48] more like UPS.

[1:04:50] >> Yeah. Yeah. Look for that. But we could

[1:04:53] use it that way.

[1:04:54] >> I mean, the other, you know, to be

[1:04:56] devil's advocate, the other I mean, it

[1:04:57] does take people from just parking in

[1:05:00] the street.

[1:05:00] >> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's only six spots

[1:05:02] and like you said, it's already been

[1:05:04] approved by city council.

[1:05:06] >> Yeah, I would like I would I would not

[1:05:08] like to move those spots. I' I don't

[1:05:09] want to lose any spots anywhere in town.

[1:05:13] It's just it's just directing.

[1:05:14] >> We can look at I mean, I'm not going to

[1:05:17] lie to you. There has been talk about

[1:05:18] turning rigs into a one-way street.

[1:05:20] >> Yeah. But then every I mean, you see,

[1:05:21] they'd have to go all the way out to

[1:05:22] Stro. That's a long way for somebody

[1:05:24] coming in and out of their house. That's

[1:05:26] a rotary would would solve that if it's

[1:05:28] feasible.

[1:05:29] >> Yeah, it would be

[1:05:32] Oh, just a note, you do have there's a

[1:05:35] shadow of some things on here. There are

[1:05:38] some alignment issues. So, whoever was

[1:05:42] in in their drawing, there's

[1:05:44] [clears throat] some double

[1:05:46] where your raised planters are. It looks

[1:05:48] like they're overlapping in weird

[1:05:50] locations with the concrete right in

[1:05:53] there.

[1:05:54] >> I do see that. Yeah, we'll address that.

[1:05:56] Yeah, it's obviously not supposed to be.

[1:05:58] Sorry. That's what

[1:06:00] >> I don't know as a designer like you get

[1:06:02] the plans that

[1:06:03] >> I do.

[1:06:03] >> Um, so

[1:06:08] I think he has you have a list of all of

[1:06:11] the plant things that we discussed.

[1:06:13] >> Yes, I do.

[1:06:14] >> Okay.

[1:06:15] >> And the Duke's Garden. That's the Yeah,

[1:06:17] I mean so

[1:06:19] >> we're considering the materials,

[1:06:22] landscape, lighting.

[1:06:23] >> I don't have any issue with these

[1:06:24] materials. I think they're a great

[1:06:28] right direction. The only thing

[1:06:32] I can see the gray in it, but the only

[1:06:34] thing is everything is very gray based.

[1:06:36] And then there is

[1:06:38] >> that's yellowower

[1:06:38] >> like this is a little more yellow.

[1:06:41] >> Um it's

[1:06:45] but then, you know, I think about it in

[1:06:46] context. there's, you know, some warm

[1:06:48] wood and it's still a neutral tone that

[1:06:52] I I don't have enough objection to it to

[1:06:56] say I don't like it.

[1:06:59] >> Sorry.

[1:07:08] of this project before we move into

[1:07:11] trying to make a motion.

[1:07:15] Okay. So, based on specific feedback

[1:07:18] type to planting and vegetation

[1:07:21] specifically along that um garden top on

[1:07:24] the tower, um

[1:07:27] would anybody like to make a motion that

[1:07:29] we approve?

[1:07:32] >> Uh we'll make the motion.

[1:07:35] >> Anybody like to second?

[1:07:36] >> Second. All those in favor, please raise

[1:07:38] your right hand.

[1:07:41] >> Okay.

[1:07:41] >> Thank you for your time. Thank you very

[1:07:43] much. Appreciate it. Thank you for

[1:07:45] looking for

[1:07:49] your time.

[1:07:50] >> Thank you all very much.

[1:07:58] » Appreciate the recommendation. Last one.

[1:08:00] Thank you.

[1:08:04] » Thanks.

[1:08:09] So that's going to move us into um

[1:08:11] action item number 42025 AR11. Applicant

[1:08:15] Ross Kler project plus is requesting

[1:08:19] sorry

[1:08:23] » um requesting approval of building

[1:08:25] materials um siding colors and other

[1:08:28] exterior features for the 106

[1:08:31] street development. So,

[1:08:34] >> so this is another PD,

[1:08:36] >> a very different PD from 398 though. So,

[1:08:40] this is a multiple B multiple building

[1:08:44] um primarily residential. So, there are

[1:08:47] mixture of uses as a park separately.

[1:08:50] This PD um and basically as the agenda

[1:08:53] described it is what your your perview

[1:08:56] is in it um as you just stated. So, it

[1:09:01] will be going over the buildings

[1:09:02] themselves.

[1:09:04] Um,

[1:09:05] for materials, that type of thing, roof

[1:09:07] lines, all that kind of stuff. Um,

[1:09:10] general size has been determined by the

[1:09:12] DD though.

[1:09:14] And I guess with that, probably best

[1:09:16] just to hand it over to Ros, let him uh

[1:09:18] start walking us through this one. It's

[1:09:20] a big one. Thank you. You'll just

[1:09:22] introduce yourself before you present.

[1:09:38] » [laughter]

[1:09:43] » Just dig through there all the good

[1:09:46] stuff.

[1:09:47] Appreciate y'all's time. I'm Ross

[1:09:49] project

[1:09:51] out of Greenville. Um, yeah. So, as

[1:09:54] Jacob mentioned, we've got a multiple

[1:09:56] building site here. if you want to stop

[1:09:57] there for a second. Uh just for today's

[1:09:59] kind of purposes, let's we'll call the

[1:10:01] left side the south and the north or the

[1:10:04] right side the north side there. We've

[1:10:06] got a series of different types of

[1:10:08] buildings here, but you can see it's

[1:10:09] kind of sprawling site. We're bicted by

[1:10:12] Horn Street. This went through the PE

[1:10:15] process resigning kind of got approved

[1:10:17] last September and uh you know part of

[1:10:21] that was to get reviewed here at V

[1:10:24] tonight. So just trying to look for

[1:10:25] those materials and kind of any feedback

[1:10:27] y'all have so that we can make this

[1:10:28] better. But um with that the the strong

[1:10:32] site I mean our goal is to kind of kind

[1:10:35] of focus on the the different areas that

[1:10:37] are surrounding this and kind of the

[1:10:39] residential buildings that are touching

[1:10:41] there. So if you scroll down just a

[1:10:44] little bit on the south side of the site

[1:10:45] you can see go to back up there. So

[1:10:48] coming in from that the further south

[1:10:51] there coming in we've got the the

[1:10:53] clubhouse there. So trying to keep that

[1:10:55] as more one to one and a half story

[1:10:57] building there to kind of match the the

[1:11:00] neighborhood zone. And then kind of as

[1:11:02] we transition into the site, we've got a

[1:11:04] lot of grave we're contining with. So we

[1:11:05] do have a garden style building there.

[1:11:07] Three stories on the back. So closest to

[1:11:09] the

[1:11:11] >> the neighboring properties and four

[1:11:13] stories more internal. As we kind of

[1:11:16] transition through, we have more of town

[1:11:17] home product. Those are two stories off

[1:11:19] the the back, three stories off the uh

[1:11:23] kind of that the the drive aisle there

[1:11:26] on the bottom there. Uh as you progress

[1:11:28] to the north side, we're using the same

[1:11:30] building typology, same building sizes,

[1:11:34] um but really focusing more efforts,

[1:11:36] more units towards the back, which is

[1:11:38] more buried into the site. The furthest

[1:11:40] north we're hitting railroad tracks as

[1:11:43] well as a large power line. you kind of

[1:11:45] see kind of on the the right side of

[1:11:47] this and across there we've got the the

[1:11:50] collected which is another apartment

[1:11:53] deal. So kind of focusing more of the density towards the back. So making

[1:11:57] sure our scales are kind of in alignment

[1:11:59] with the neighboring properties from

[1:12:01] there because the site is so strong

[1:12:02] we're looking at the materiality kind of

[1:12:04] being very similar throughout. So that's

[1:12:06] not like you know it appears as two

[1:12:08] separate

[1:12:10] projects. It's more trying to keep that

[1:12:13] cohesive through. You'll see on Sunny

[1:12:16] Street, which is further south.

[1:12:18] Actually, Jake, if you go all the way to

[1:12:21] the last three pages,

[1:12:24] sorry for bearing all of the sizzle in

[1:12:26] there,

[1:12:29] unless you just want to talk plans, but

[1:12:32] I'm assuming you for not. What page did

[1:12:35] you want me on?

[1:12:36] >> It's 31, I believe.

[1:12:47] Y start there. No, go down.

[1:12:52] » So, this is kind of a progression

[1:12:55] through the site. The top left rendering

[1:12:57] is kind of is the the entry into right

[1:13:00] off Sun Street. That is the diminity

[1:13:03] building, the clubhouse leasing. There

[1:13:05] is a small uh there's some small study

[1:13:09] spaces as well as more kind of flex

[1:13:11] space for students, maybe podcast rooms,

[1:13:13] things that we're kind of continuing to

[1:13:15] learn about student housing kind of as

[1:13:17] it is constantly kind of changing in the

[1:13:20] amenity package. That back is that

[1:13:24] second picture on the right is the back

[1:13:25] side of that amenity space. You kind of

[1:13:28] see it's that one and a half kind of

[1:13:29] story approach kind of keeping with the

[1:13:32] neighbors. Um Jake, if you scroll down

[1:13:34] just a touch, you'll be able to see kind

[1:13:36] of the key plan or if you can zoom out

[1:13:37] even. So that larger building in orange

[1:13:40] down there is what we call right up in

[1:13:43] the middle

[1:13:44] >> right there. Yep. So that's the the only apartment building in kind of

[1:13:50] the southern phase. And so that four

[1:13:52] stories is only in one section of that.

[1:13:55] It is kind of our main terminus as

[1:13:57] you're driving into the property. But

[1:13:59] then kind of keeping the

[1:14:01] if you If you scroll back up, you can

[1:14:03] kind of see the top right. Sorry again.

[1:14:06] So, yep, that's the view as you're kind

[1:14:08] of driving in. It's tucked back a couple

[1:14:10] hundred yards off of S Street. It does.

[1:14:13] We're playing with the materialities of

[1:14:15] Betray Hardy and some different color

[1:14:17] vinyl windows.

[1:14:19] U

[1:14:21] so we're using some different color

[1:14:22] stain sets as well as some it's a it's a

[1:14:26] hardy accent panel but we we are using

[1:14:28] kind of this more wood tone in c certain

[1:14:30] areas to kind of contrast those

[1:14:32] materials. Um, and you'll start you'll

[1:14:35] pick up on that throughout. And as we

[1:14:37] scroll down a little bit, the backside

[1:14:40] is three stories. And so that's what's

[1:14:41] facing our neighbors, the most direct

[1:14:43] neighbors to us. And so it's trying to

[1:14:45] drop that scale, but use the same

[1:14:46] materiality. As you kind of pull

[1:14:48] through, you'll start to see our town

[1:14:50] homes are the kind of the same color

[1:14:53] scheme, making sure that everything's

[1:14:54] cohesive because it is so strong. And

[1:14:57] but it's kind of a breakdown, but

[1:14:59] similar kind of colors and language.

[1:15:02] And then if you scroll down, you'll

[1:15:04] start to see kind of the the repeat but

[1:15:06] on the more dense area. So as we pull

[1:15:10] through across Sun Street, you go

[1:15:12] through a little bit of a parking lot

[1:15:13] and again a couple hundred yards back,

[1:15:15] we have these two apartment buildings

[1:15:17] that are faced kind of skinny ways as

[1:15:19] you're coming in. So they're not too

[1:15:20] opposing um imposing. And then they we

[1:15:24] actually we're sinking them down to the

[1:15:26] four stories only impacting us

[1:15:27] internally. There is a this is a little

[1:15:29] bit of a stepped kind of terrace area.

[1:15:32] where we have a music pavilion and that

[1:15:34] kind of steps down helping to kind of

[1:15:37] hide that. I mean, this almost looks

[1:15:38] like it's probably bigger than it is.

[1:15:40] Uh, but once you kind of back off the

[1:15:42] street a little bit, it's going to feel

[1:15:44] like a three-story building. The the

[1:15:46] next picture is kind of that pool

[1:15:48] pavilion and the with internal to that

[1:15:51] four fourstory courtyard there. And then

[1:15:54] the top right is the actual the back

[1:15:57] side of that pool pavilion which is also

[1:16:00] our gym area and additional mini space

[1:16:01] for the more dense side of the of the um

[1:16:07] the development. And then so then you'll

[1:16:08] see some other ancillary buildings, some

[1:16:11] maintenance shed as well as a little

[1:16:12] bike

[1:16:14] storage, indoor bike storage and kind of

[1:16:16] covered area for working on those bikes.

[1:16:20] So that's kind of the U.

[1:16:23] >> Good job being the last one.

[1:16:28] » Scared them all away.

[1:16:28] >> Scared them all the way. Sorry.

[1:16:30] [laughter]

[1:16:31] >> Yeah. So we we've got materials here.

[1:16:33] Y'all, I'm sure y'all are over

[1:16:34] interested in seeing all the samples.

[1:16:36] But um we've got s I've got samples of

[1:16:40] the windows as well as the railing in

[1:16:41] the car if y'all want to see those.

[1:16:43] >> The question I have, you have two

[1:16:44] different roof style. I mean it's not

[1:16:45] just shingles. You have metal roofing.

[1:16:47] Where's the metal roofing going to go?

[1:16:48] You have metal roofing right over the

[1:16:51] that bottom right there or here you go

[1:16:54] right here. So over top

[1:16:56] >> really entry point. So where you're

[1:16:57] experiencing the most is where you we're

[1:16:59] going to slash it with some some metal.

[1:17:01] >> So like over on picture number left,

[1:17:06] [laughter] sorry. Uh right there above

[1:17:10] the decks would be a metal roof.

[1:17:12] >> Is that

[1:17:12] >> above the decks?

[1:17:15] >> That part right there. No, that

[1:17:17] shouldn't be a metal roof. That's just

[1:17:18] asphalt shingle. Anything above

[1:17:20] >> the the top plate, we're going to call

[1:17:22] this just asphalt shingle.

[1:17:23] >> Middle and front.

[1:17:24] >> If if you can't see it, just assume it's

[1:17:27] asphalt shingle.

[1:17:28] >> Okay.

[1:17:29] >> And is the um shingle color going to be

[1:17:31] consistent throughout the development?

[1:17:33] Okay. And which color is it on the

[1:17:35] >> Oxford? What do we call it? Oxford gray.

[1:17:38] >> Oxford gray. Okay.

[1:17:39] >> It's got a little bit more depth to it

[1:17:40] than just like a solid black.

[1:17:42] >> A little bit of greenish gray. And we we

[1:17:45] can tweak that a touch if y'all if you

[1:17:48] want to, but

[1:17:52] » yeah.

[1:17:53] >> And the brick is that kind of grayer

[1:17:57] mixed right consistently brick.

[1:18:00] >> We've used that on many kind of town

[1:18:02] home multif family projects. We can get

[1:18:04] you more examples of kind of what that

[1:18:06] looks like. You all know this, but the u

[1:18:09] you know the mortar makes a big

[1:18:10] difference too. So

[1:18:12] >> yes. So you're using a dark gray mortar.

[1:18:14] It says,

[1:18:15] >> "Yeah, we What was it? Smith

[1:18:19] dark gray."

[1:18:20] >> Yeah, I believe it's a a Smith gray is

[1:18:23] the type of what we've used in the past.

[1:18:25] >> Okay.

[1:18:26] >> It's a forget what it's called. The type

[1:18:28] of mortar.

[1:18:29] >> Well, thank you for not using white.

[1:18:31] >> No, we like a little like spice up some darker colors. And you'll see in

[1:18:36] there where we go dark, we're using dark

[1:18:39] windows. Where we where we're white, we

[1:18:41] go white windows. So instead of having

[1:18:43] that that

[1:18:44] >> that contrast

[1:18:49] make it too busy.

[1:18:49] >> Sometimes it looks like a black eye or

[1:18:51] >> sorry we're trying to figure out where

[1:18:53] some of this goes.

[1:18:54] >> That's more of a just the stain color.

[1:18:55] That's an example of the stain for some

[1:18:57] of these sophets as well as we some of

[1:19:00] these may end up being.

[1:19:01] >> So number two on that picture on the

[1:19:04] left drawing.

[1:19:05] >> Yep.

[1:19:06] >> Is that this?

[1:19:07] >> No, it's actually a hardy panel. It will

[1:19:10] be

[1:19:10] >> it's a hardy addition. So it's actually

[1:19:13] it's a no that's the TX but we actually

[1:19:16] have

[1:19:17] >> it will be similar to that

[1:19:19] >> similar color but it's actually so the

[1:19:21] Carolina Color Tones is based out of

[1:19:23] Arden and they'll take Hardy and print

[1:19:26] their product on top of it. It's just a

[1:19:28] film and so it's a backing but it'll be

[1:19:31] that white and they have different

[1:19:33] colors and we get you I thought I had

[1:19:36] that sample. I have all the other ones

[1:19:38] but uh we can get you those so that you

[1:19:41] samples.

[1:19:42] >> Yeah, we'll send it to each of y'all's

[1:19:44] houses. So yeah,

[1:19:47] >> so the grain will be like applied like

[1:19:50] >> No, it's not. So it's the hardy the wood

[1:19:52] grain texture

[1:19:53] >> the texture and then

[1:19:54] >> they just print their film over top of

[1:19:56] it. So I don't know. I'm sure we have

[1:19:58] some that in clumps in some other like

[1:20:00] another big name is Wood Tone which is

[1:20:02] based out of Canada but Ardan is a local

[1:20:05] >> manufacturer. Do they just pick a

[1:20:06] general tone out of this?

[1:20:10] >> No, it it it has some variation.

[1:20:12] >> Okay.

[1:20:12] >> And I can we've used it on multiple

[1:20:14] projects. I can send it to you.

[1:20:16] >> So that's that's what it looks. That's

[1:20:18] the finished look.

[1:20:20] >> That's Yes. That is that chestnut color.

[1:20:22] >> It's going to have some texture and some

[1:20:23] variation in color in it.

[1:20:25] >> Okay.

[1:20:27] Um,

[1:20:28] >> and it's just an easy product to

[1:20:31] >> There are three different tracks.

[1:20:34] >> Yeah,

[1:20:35] >> we

[1:20:37] So, the honey groove is what we chose.

[1:20:40] That's what we printed and then we got

[1:20:41] the sample

[1:20:42] >> here.

[1:20:42] >> And we were a little hesitant. So, but

[1:20:45] we'll uh

[1:20:55] And then the board and batten is going

[1:20:57] to be we have two different colors. So

[1:21:00] back be that could be the black box with

[1:21:02] the white.

[1:21:03] >> Okay.

[1:21:05] >> And the final materials where it would

[1:21:07] be helpful to have them like numbers on

[1:21:09] the pieces to like co I got pins. Yeah.

[1:21:14] >> Great. Start right. There you go.

[1:21:17] Uh let's take a look here.

[1:21:19] >> [snorts]

[1:21:21] » Yeah, it is a odd color.

[1:21:24] >> Yeah, that was better before we got the

[1:21:27] sample.

[1:21:27] >> Yeah,

[1:21:28] >> but we'll uh we'll trade that out.

[1:21:30] >> Drinking is going to peculiar.

[1:21:32] >> We can see where it was going with the

[1:21:33] brick and the

[1:21:34] >> Yeah,

[1:21:35] >> the roof shingle color.

[1:21:37] >> It's one of those.

[1:21:38] >> Yeah, it almost has like brick to it.

[1:21:40] And that's

[1:21:41] >> So that's the No, that's the decking.

[1:21:43] >> That's the deck decking.

[1:21:44] >> That's the decking. Okay.

[1:21:50] Honestly, think something darker would

[1:21:52] end up being nice in that. I like the

[1:21:55] brick color. I like that as a

[1:21:57] >> Yeah, the brick color is great.

[1:21:59] >> Uh I even like the siding.

[1:22:03] >> Which sample is the underneath of the

[1:22:05] roofs for like the deck, the little

[1:22:07] porches?

[1:22:08] >> That's the same that your wood tone.

[1:22:10] >> Okay.

[1:22:10] >> We can put that as a horizontal or

[1:22:14] that the ceiling application. Iron Gray.

[1:22:21] The black box versus iron gray. Is that

[1:22:24] what that one is?

[1:22:25] >> I don't know. It says iron gray.

[1:22:27] >> Yeah, it should be black box. So, it's

[1:22:30] similar.

[1:22:34] I'll flip that one out for you.

[1:22:41] So, those are similar tones. That's

[1:22:44] hard. So those are hard to see finished

[1:22:45] materials right there.

[1:22:46] >> Okay.

[1:22:47] >> And so those are a color match if you

[1:22:49] will, but it's a

[1:22:52] it is what do you call that? The dream

[1:22:54] collection. That's how they refer to it.

[1:22:58] So they just come prefish old paint on

[1:23:00] site.

[1:23:02] So we would need we need the actual

[1:23:06] colors.

[1:23:09] » Switch to those colors. See life fun.

[1:23:15] You said you'd switch to these colors.

[1:23:18] >> If y'all if we approve tonight, we will

[1:23:20] switch to those colors. [laughter]

[1:23:26] » Or is it

[1:23:29] I I hate to even say this out loud, the

[1:23:31] owners here, but would you we would do

[1:23:33] we could potentially do a mockup panel,

[1:23:35] too, so that you'd see all these and

[1:23:37] approve them on site versus having to

[1:23:41] >> waste more of y'all's time.

[1:23:46] Can I see the wider one really quickly?

[1:23:49] >> That's what makes it a bridge.

[1:23:58] » Seven. Seven is black.

[1:24:02] >> So seven would be a board and batten

[1:24:04] style or

[1:24:05] >> So we So we have board and bat and we

[1:24:08] have some horizontal. So, but but yes,

[1:24:12] in that zone there is bat and that's

[1:24:14] painted black box

[1:24:15] >> which would be the darker color whatever

[1:24:18] that is. Okay.

[1:24:19] >> Exactly.

[1:24:20] >> And then that's the lighter color on the

[1:24:22] little pop out wing.

[1:24:24] >> Yeah.

[1:24:24] >> Six.

[1:24:27] » And what's the actual color of the one?

[1:24:29] The darker one that we have here.

[1:24:32] >> This is That's the black.

[1:24:33] >> This is called iron gray.

[1:24:36] >> That's what you want. Black fox. That's

[1:24:37] going to be seven. Correct.

[1:24:40] >> It's very similar tone there. The the

[1:24:42] goal is for it not to be straight gray.

[1:24:44] We want it to pull some warmth to it.

[1:24:49] >> I like how this pulls out the darker

[1:24:51] tones in the brick though with the black

[1:24:54] box is going to be darker. [snorts]

[1:24:57] >> The black box this prints a little bit

[1:24:59] darker than probably what it is. It has

[1:25:01] a little bit of that brown undertone

[1:25:03] that underneath this light right now.

[1:25:04] >> Looks a little grayer.

[1:25:06] >> It almost has blue. We've used that same

[1:25:09] thing on three other projects and I can

[1:25:11] tell you that now we can take you to

[1:25:13] those if you want to see them or you

[1:25:14] send pictures

[1:25:18] >> where the the difference is painting on

[1:25:20] site versus prefinish.

[1:25:25] » You want to look it up?

[1:25:27] >> Where you want me to pull it up?

[1:25:29] >> If you type in the hub green SC and

[1:25:32] that'll have it's the same color palette

[1:25:34] actually.

[1:25:36] Uh the hub town homes.

[1:25:40] >> This was probably or

[1:25:45] » look at the architecture of the uh

[1:25:48] clubhouse entry building.

[1:25:50] >> Oh, there we go.

[1:25:52] >> Yeah. So that's that's the same color

[1:25:54] palette that we're talking about here

[1:25:56] >> that has the wood in there.

[1:25:57] >> And that's the black fox or

[1:26:00] >> Yeah, that is that is iron gray. Okay.

[1:26:02] there.

[1:26:03] >> That is so that's the exact same dog

[1:26:06] palette.

[1:26:09] >> And then we got another similar

[1:26:13] picture though. It's just finishing now,

[1:26:15] but Kiten

[1:26:18] Town Homes. How do I spell that? The

[1:26:20] kit. K I T S O N.

[1:26:35] It's going to be tough to find finished

[1:26:37] picture though. You might be able to

[1:26:38] find some room.

[1:26:41] >> Yeah, that's not

[1:26:45] >> okay.

[1:26:45] >> Yeah, the same same. It is the same

[1:26:48] color scheme.

[1:26:56] I mean, I could see using that darker

[1:26:58] color, but I could see going with the

[1:26:59] black fox and being a little bit warmer.

[1:27:01] I think either one.

[1:27:04] >> I'm not sure how that works with the

[1:27:06] deck decking color though. That seems a

[1:27:10] little bit off.

[1:27:14] » With that decking color

[1:27:16] >> against that?

[1:27:18] >> Is this that same product you're talking

[1:27:20] about?

[1:27:21] >> This or with this?

[1:27:22] >> Yeah, those two. Those look good

[1:27:24] together.

[1:27:24] >> Yeah. I mean, I think those look fun.

[1:27:27] >> I mean, again, it's not daylight. It's

[1:27:31] >> That's the exact same product.

[1:27:32] >> Oh, that's great.

[1:27:34] >> Okay. So, and almost the same

[1:27:35] application, right?

[1:27:36] >> Yeah. So, it it is a Hardy material and

[1:27:39] that's what we like about it because

[1:27:40] people know how to install Hardy. They

[1:27:42] don't necessarily want to do a rain

[1:27:43] screen and kind of hold it off and

[1:27:45] you're just asking for potential future

[1:27:47] issues

[1:27:48] >> and durability the bonding between the

[1:27:51] >> It's kind of what's that

[1:27:52] >> like between the material and the

[1:27:54] application. It's

[1:27:55] >> Yeah, they they have a 20 year warranty.

[1:27:58] I don't We haven't I don't know if it's

[1:28:00] been around for 20 years, but

[1:28:11] » do you have any architectural renderings

[1:28:13] of the entry building?

[1:28:17] Like if you go back to that page,

[1:28:22] » it's just a

[1:28:24] >> Yeah, that number one.

[1:28:26] >> Yeah,

[1:28:27] >> it's just a very weird angle to the

[1:28:29] building. And I'm trying to figure out

[1:28:33] that is a lot of steep pitched roof

[1:28:36] right there. That that is just

[1:28:40] I actually kind of like it

[1:28:43] because it's just different. It's I mean

[1:28:45] it doesn't look it almost looks churchy

[1:28:46] in a way.

[1:28:47] >> Yeah.

[1:28:48] >> You know, but I like I mean or European.

[1:28:50] It look to me it looks very more

[1:28:52] contemporary European like with that

[1:28:54] >> higher slope. I actually is that a

[1:28:57] vaulted space within there.

[1:28:59] >> Y that's a little hangout space right

[1:29:02] there and then it transitions over to

[1:29:03] the study rooms.

[1:29:05] >> Do you have is this drawing X1 X1? Yeah.

[1:29:11] Okay.

[1:29:16] you know, so the you know, every you

[1:29:18] start looking at these apartment deals,

[1:29:20] especially guard style, and every

[1:29:23] it's just rinse, repeat. They stamp the

[1:29:25] same clubhouse over and over. So,

[1:29:27] >> trying to spice that up, but not be too

[1:29:30] foreign.

[1:29:33] >> It does.

[1:29:33] >> So, that's your gym.

[1:29:35] >> There we go.

[1:29:35] >> It's a little refreshing. I mean, I

[1:29:37] think it's

[1:29:39] >> especially with the prominent chimney. I

[1:29:42] just

[1:29:44] doesn't read up the vernacular around

[1:29:46] here, but it it's pleasant to me.

[1:29:50] >> It's a pleasant I think it's pleasant.

[1:29:52] >> What are the chimney caps? Metal or uh

[1:29:55] like

[1:29:56] >> ceramic?

[1:30:07] Was there an inspiration for that or

[1:30:09] just kind of a break more of a break

[1:30:11] from the break from the typical was the

[1:30:14] inspiration?

[1:30:14] >> I mean the the materiality is the same

[1:30:17] as the rest. So trying to tie that all

[1:30:19] together. Um the the gable roof forms

[1:30:22] are just from the neighboring

[1:30:24] properties. you have the larger kind of

[1:30:26] hardy panel massing that's kind of

[1:30:29] trying to bring it a little bit more

[1:30:30] commercial but and kind of tie back into

[1:30:33] the rest of the project but it's there I

[1:30:38] don't I can't say I have a true pre is

[1:30:41] there an actual fireplace

[1:30:42] >> there's fireplace it' be gas so that's

[1:30:45] you know we don't fully need that

[1:30:46] chimney that's more that's aesthetics

[1:30:48] >> I like it because it looks substantial

[1:30:50] versus flimsy and so much of what's

[1:30:52] built around here looks flimsy

[1:30:54] >> you

[1:30:56] I just like the weight of it.

[1:31:03] » This is the one that we can't comment on

[1:31:04] the landscaping, right?

[1:31:06] >> I mean, you can comment [laughter]

[1:31:12] in there.

[1:31:13] >> I saw something somewhere.

[1:31:17] >> I mean, if you want to give us any

[1:31:19] comments that that most developers

[1:31:22] appreciate your comments, but

[1:31:28] I mean, we're here to make it better.

[1:31:32] >> Any comments at all?

[1:31:51] So, you're rendering plantings on page

[1:31:54] on this don't really match what's on the

[1:31:58] landscape plan.

[1:32:02] And I think the cont like there's not a

[1:32:06] lot of room. It's like building and

[1:32:09] sidewalk.

[1:32:11] I don't know if there's any way to give

[1:32:13] yourself a little more

[1:32:15] >> driveway. We shut it off.

[1:32:17] >> I would just give yourself a little more

[1:32:19] room cuz I mean you could stand on the

[1:32:22] sidewalk and you know basically you're

[1:32:26] standing next to like within 5t of that

[1:32:30] whole the whole whole thing. I would say

[1:32:32] that if you could give yourself enough

[1:32:34] room to give the silhouette of some

[1:32:37] trees against that room because it it

[1:32:40] has that it does have that sort of

[1:32:46] sort that end has that sort of European

[1:32:49] rustic. I mean you could almost feel it

[1:32:52] especially when you see it in the

[1:32:54] context with like the conifers and

[1:32:56] stuff. We don't have a lot of good one a

[1:32:59] lot of good conifers here.

[1:33:02] um

[1:33:04] per se, but I would just say in the in

[1:33:07] the field, I think just making sure you

[1:33:10] have enough plant material to have it

[1:33:13] not just feel shoved up on the sidewalk.

[1:33:16] Um

[1:33:17] and and and [clears throat]

[1:33:19] you'll still see the roof, but having

[1:33:22] the silhouettes of the trees there, I

[1:33:24] think would

[1:33:26] help that.

[1:33:29] >> Do you have any tree species you would

[1:33:33] recommend?

[1:33:33] >> I was looking to see what y'all had

[1:33:35] specified because I if you had something

[1:33:38] good specified, I wasn't going to,

[1:33:41] you know, say anything bad about it

[1:33:45] for first,

[1:33:47] but it's not

[1:33:50] Oh, let's see.

[1:33:52] You don't have any you It says like

[1:33:54] parking canopy tree. Uh like you just

[1:33:59] call out I mean, you're going to want

[1:34:01] something there um that can handle like

[1:34:05] an urban type environment

[1:34:07] >> just because you're so close to the

[1:34:09] sidewalk and the building. So, the heat

[1:34:12] radiating

[1:34:14] off of it. Um,

[1:34:21] [sighs]

[1:34:25] you could do a like if you wanted some

[1:34:28] color, you could do a like a narrower

[1:34:32] oak or like a narrower maple tree, like

[1:34:36] a trident type maple. Um,

[1:34:40] >> what are those shaggy um evergreens that

[1:34:43] we put by Dixie? Those actually turned

[1:34:46] out pretty well.

[1:34:46] >> Was it the

[1:34:49] >> You talking about

[1:34:50] >> They're either the cryptoaria or are

[1:34:52] they diodor cedars?

[1:34:54] >> Cedars of some sort of cedars.

[1:34:55] >> Yeah. Yeah. Like the diodor cedars.

[1:34:58] >> There's some narrow varieties there.

[1:35:00] >> Those are the ones along the

[1:35:03] >> trail side of Bixby. Cedars that would

[1:35:06] look really good with this building.

[1:35:09] >> So

[1:35:11] meal just an image of those.

[1:35:13] >> Yep.

[1:35:15] I can't. Yeah, it's been a while.

[1:35:16] >> They're next to

[1:35:22] me. [laughter]

[1:35:23] >> No problem.

[1:35:24] >> I'm sure if you send a picture of the

[1:35:26] landscape architect on the

[1:35:27] >> Yeah,

[1:35:30] » okay.

[1:35:42] So, I guess y'all have a specific list

[1:35:45] of trees that can be used. Um, please do

[1:35:49] not use a winged elm. Please do not use

[1:35:52] a silver maple,

[1:35:57] but they've grown quite a bit since

[1:35:58] then.

[1:35:59] >> I would say everything else on those on

[1:36:02] those upper story trees.

[1:36:04] Um, the only reason I'm thinking a maple

[1:36:07] and not a oak is if you're right next to

[1:36:09] the sidewalk. You don't want all the

[1:36:11] acorns, ankle twisting, whatever.

[1:36:14] >> So, um, I would go that way.

[1:36:18] >> Um,

[1:36:20] but I think there's there's some ways to

[1:36:23] have a lot of fun with the character

[1:36:24] there.

[1:36:26] >> So, um,

[1:36:29] >> what were those shoes called? Diodor.

[1:36:31] >> I've got Diodor Cedar.

[1:36:32] >> Cedar. Yeah, they're not on this

[1:36:35] approved list. And I'm sorry, what was

[1:36:37] this?

[1:36:38] >> That's the ordinance that council

[1:36:39] approved in relationship to this

[1:36:42] specific PD.

[1:36:43] >> I'm sure we can, you know,

[1:36:45] >> so approve. I'm sure we can.

[1:36:48] >> Yeah, I'm sure.

[1:36:49] >> Those are just kind.

[1:36:52] >> Yeah.

[1:36:54] >> Okay.

[1:36:54] >> But these are these are the seeds when

[1:36:57] they're first put in over there. Oh, so

[1:36:59] those are actually um those are ball cypress.

[1:37:05] >> Ball cypress.

[1:37:06] >> Yeah, those are not cedars.

[1:37:07] >> Ball cypress.

[1:37:08] >> Um they are they are deciduous. They're not grain. Um

[1:37:15] [snorts]

[1:37:16] but

[1:37:18] >> yeah, they they've grown quite a bit. So

[1:37:20] they seem to be taking their herbs

[1:37:22] deeper.

[1:37:22] >> Yeah, they can. I think I think we would

[1:37:24] want to stay evergreen there. Yeah,

[1:37:27] >> I think you're right.

[1:37:29] [clears throat]

[1:37:30] >> So, I'm going to write the indoor cedar,

[1:37:32] but we might I'll follow up with the

[1:37:34] landscape architect on that.

[1:37:36] >> And there are some narrow varieties they

[1:37:38] could do there.

[1:37:40] Um, that that could fit in.

[1:37:46] And those are very longlasting trees.

[1:37:49] >> All of

[1:37:52] what

[1:37:53] >> can we get a dwarf species?

[1:37:54] >> Yeah. Okay. But I mean there's nothing

[1:37:58] wrong with a tall tree. It's

[1:38:00] >> true. As long as we have the right area

[1:38:03] for it, right?

[1:38:03] >> Well, those can be lived up. So, for

[1:38:05] example, between right to the left down

[1:38:09] the hill from Tilman, that whole grove

[1:38:11] of trees um headed, you know, that that

[1:38:15] are all limbmed up 20, 30 feet, those

[1:38:18] are all diodor cedars.

[1:38:19] >> Oh, really?

[1:38:20] >> Yeah.

[1:38:21] >> Very cool. So,

[1:38:24] you can you can limb those up as they

[1:38:26] grow pretty easily.

[1:38:29] >> Okay.

[1:38:31] I like that.

[1:38:38] I mean,

[1:38:42] » for the rest of the architecture, it

[1:38:44] really just looks like a normal

[1:38:46] apartment complex. I mean it it's

[1:38:49] >> yeah it has that contemporary player

[1:38:51] with the color palette and

[1:38:54] >> plus it's not really visible from any

[1:38:57] road.

[1:38:59] >> Yeah. I think what everyone's going to

[1:39:01] see is this building up front.

[1:39:02] >> Yeah about it.

[1:39:03] >> That's the rest of it. You're going to

[1:39:05] have to be inside

[1:39:06] >> a little past how to house to your

[1:39:08] right.

[1:39:08] >> Yes, exactly. That's right. So where the

[1:39:11] entrance of the current varsity is, it's

[1:39:14] going to be to the left and kind of push

[1:39:15] back from that. Can you pull up like a

[1:39:18] view?

[1:39:18] >> No, like a Google Maps view. Just

[1:39:22] >> everything in this is black and white.

[1:39:24] And I want to move on. It all looks the

[1:39:28] same.

[1:39:45] Okay.

[1:39:46] >> Okay.

[1:39:46] >> So, we are coming in basically. See

[1:39:48] where this house is right here?

[1:39:50] >> Right there. And wrapping around to this

[1:39:53] big area back here.

[1:39:56] >> So, you have railroad tracks on the back

[1:39:58] side. You have an apartment complex on

[1:40:00] the northeast. You have Harris ter on

[1:40:03] the southeast.

[1:40:05] And then there's the hotel

[1:40:09] >> there. Yep.

[1:40:12] >> And is that that Hawthorne Streets a

[1:40:15] public street?

[1:40:16] >> Yep.

[1:40:17] >> Yeah. But it's going the development is

[1:40:18] going to kind of go right across.

[1:40:19] >> Yeah.

[1:40:20] >> So tell me about which I know we don't

[1:40:24] have any say so on, but I'd love to hear

[1:40:26] about the public park area.

[1:40:29] >> Yeah.

[1:40:31] >> John, do you want to do you want to talk

[1:40:33] about that? I don't I'm not as familiar

[1:40:35] with the public park.

[1:40:36] >> So, was that part of the PD?

[1:40:38] >> You might as well.

[1:40:39] >> Yep.

[1:40:40] >> So, yeah, I think overall we were

[1:40:43] required to get 1 point 10 10% of the

[1:40:46] site to uh qualify as park. You can see

[1:40:49] it. Um

[1:40:52] it is kind of meandering down. We have a

[1:40:55] stream. So, we we have a couple issues

[1:40:58] with those transmission lines. Those are

[1:40:59] Duke power lines very restrictive in

[1:41:01] terms of

[1:41:02] >> what you can do beneath them. And then

[1:41:04] we have the stream. So we thought it'd

[1:41:06] be best appropriate. We're going to come

[1:41:07] in. We we I don't know if you guys

[1:41:09] remember from the sorry from the

[1:41:11] planning commission and council the 10 foot wide interodal um path

[1:41:17] throughout the site. Um we're running it

[1:41:19] all the way over to the park uh with

[1:41:21] public access easements. We've been

[1:41:23] through that with Jacob and the guys

[1:41:25] where those easements will get

[1:41:26] dedicated. We're also dedicating

[1:41:28] easements to adjacent properties. So,

[1:41:30] when you looked at it earlier, you saw

[1:41:32] uh the community, the big community to

[1:41:34] the north, railroad tracks, but the area

[1:41:38] kind of eastish is is kind of something

[1:41:40] that the city's got earmarked as it's

[1:41:42] going to be a redevelopment.

[1:41:44] >> I have a guy who's coming in right here

[1:41:47] with a little like tiny actually sent me

[1:41:50] pictures of what they're going to look

[1:41:50] like. Great whole container house kind

[1:41:53] of modern things coming up here that

[1:41:54] he's going to want to connect to your

[1:41:55] park in the back. So, so yeah, we made

[1:41:58] an effort so it would connect so it

[1:42:00] wouldn't just be an isolated park. It'll

[1:42:01] hopefully match up with these other

[1:42:02] properties that'll probably have some

[1:42:04] scale or density to them. Um, and then

[1:42:06] you [clears throat] can use these

[1:42:07] walking trails and get back on that

[1:42:09] 10-ft trail or the 10-ft intermoal uh

[1:42:13] connectivity all the way out to the bus

[1:42:15] stop that we're installing in front of

[1:42:16] Bo or um Bojangles. And then 93

[1:42:20] eventually is going to get restriped to

[1:42:22] be like way more uh bicycle friendly. So

[1:42:25] that's, you know, that was kind of our

[1:42:26] goal. Jacob was working on that.

[1:42:28] Hopefully we get like the the commuter

[1:42:29] bikes from the university. They're

[1:42:31] reluctant to do it now because of just

[1:42:33] safety issues, but hopefully once 93

[1:42:35] gets restriped and becomes like a true

[1:42:38] um bicycle lane that you'll be able to

[1:42:40] ride it all the way up into this park.

[1:42:42] That just again kind of one more uh uh

[1:42:46] what's that term like in the arm,

[1:42:48] you know, just building upon the the the

[1:42:50] network of

[1:42:51] >> So that 10-ft pathway system, just so I

[1:42:54] understand, is on the page south of all

[1:42:56] that parking,

[1:42:57] >> correct? Yeah. by going

[1:43:00] >> from Hawthorne where it splits all the

[1:43:02] way around in front of that parking to a

[1:43:04] like the walking trails.

[1:43:05] >> Okay.

[1:43:09] » And the toebo I mean if you've driven by

[1:43:11] it the toe back there is like it's

[1:43:13] crazy. It's a it's a pit. So it's um you

[1:43:17] know worked with Nathan trying to get

[1:43:19] you know that inter modal has to be

[1:43:22] >> you know it has to you know it's got

[1:43:23] pretty stringent uh slope requirements

[1:43:26] things like that. So, we got it as far

[1:43:28] in as we could and then take it over

[1:43:30] with some of the walking trails.

[1:43:31] >> And that's is that a retention pond on

[1:43:34] the east?

[1:43:34] >> That's an open pond. Yep. To the east.

[1:43:36] >> Okay.

[1:43:37] >> And then that, you know, again, that's

[1:43:39] buried way back in there. So, again,

[1:43:41] when Ross was telling you about the two

[1:43:43] buildings 13 and 15, when you're driving

[1:43:44] at Hawthorne, they're down

[1:43:47] >> Yeah.

[1:43:48] >> significantly. And then the pond is

[1:43:50] hidden behind building 14. And then the

[1:43:52] only people that would really see it is

[1:43:53] another student housing community up

[1:43:55] above it to the northeast. So, it's kind

[1:43:57] of concealed back there.

[1:43:58] >> Yeah.

[1:44:01] >> Oh,

[1:44:02] that's a uh you know, public park, just

[1:44:05] as a side note, um

[1:44:10] Hollingsworth

[1:44:12] uh has done a great and actually just

[1:44:15] won an award for their public park

[1:44:20] quality and preservation. Uh and and so

[1:44:25] uh no, I'm glad that there is something

[1:44:30] in there.

[1:44:31] >> We're going to leave it pretty natural.

[1:44:32] That was what Tony did. Well, you know,

[1:44:34] keep pretty we'll thin it out some

[1:44:36] invasive and stuff like that. We'll keep

[1:44:37] it pretty natural, but where they built

[1:44:39] that spur line off the swamp over

[1:44:42] >> Yeah. I mean, that's really what this

[1:44:44] is. So, it's it's more than just

[1:44:46] striping on 93. We're going to do an

[1:44:49] actual 10 foot wide multimodal trail

[1:44:51] down all of 93.

[1:44:53] >> And he's bringing this out all the way

[1:44:56] past Harris ter out to 93. So this is

[1:44:58] going to be cuz we're event, you know,

[1:45:00] we're developing a pretty good bike

[1:45:01] system around. It's going to take time,

[1:45:02] but this will be the spur to a park.

[1:45:06] >> I mean, you kind of picture you go for a

[1:45:08] bike ride down 93, you go stop at Harris

[1:45:10] ter grab something, and then you go off

[1:45:11] into this park to go eat, you know, have

[1:45:13] a little picnic back there. That'll

[1:45:15] >> be pretty cool.

[1:45:18] Um, so I I think even though

[1:45:21] I think we're fine with the colors as

[1:45:24] presented, right?

[1:45:26] >> If you want to

[1:45:27] >> just mark these as that.

[1:45:29] >> Yeah. I mean, I think we'd probably feel

[1:45:30] more comfortable approving what we see,

[1:45:32] right?

[1:45:33] >> Well, either that or we have to have new

[1:45:35] samples of the actual colors. But I

[1:45:37] mean, this this works and if this works,

[1:45:40] I don't see

[1:45:42] >> why not using it. Yep. mark up.

[1:45:51] » And uh the decking I think works best is

[1:45:55] the river bank.

[1:45:58] I think is the

[1:46:04] » Yeah.

[1:46:05] It just has a good

[1:46:09] >> good

[1:46:12] don't do it justice. I meant it reads I

[1:46:14] meant the colors are much better.

[1:46:16] >> Yeah.

[1:46:16] >> In person.

[1:46:17] >> I agree.

[1:46:24] » So, any other comments or concerns?

[1:46:25] >> You're doing like the gray route or

[1:46:28] >> It's a black

[1:46:28] >> black route. Okay.

[1:46:29] >> Or dark gray? Dark gray.

[1:46:31] >> Saying

[1:46:32] >> No, it says dark gray.

[1:46:34] >> We're going with the colors we see here.

[1:46:36] >> Okay.

[1:46:36] >> No, but on the brick it says dark gray

[1:46:40] on the mortar.

[1:46:41] >> Yeah, it's a Smith. I mean, the one we

[1:46:43] typically use is Smith gray.

[1:46:47] » That's a

[1:46:50] >> Does it look like that?

[1:46:52] >> It's a little lighter than that. I mean,

[1:46:53] it's the same if you still have the hub

[1:46:55] up. I mean, that's what the color comes

[1:46:56] out to.

[1:46:59] >> It's that one. So, it actually comes out

[1:47:01] a little bit lighter. I mean, that's

[1:47:02] obviously probably a little bit washed

[1:47:03] out in sun, but it's

[1:47:07] >> Smith probably touch that.

[1:47:09] >> Okay.

[1:47:09] >> And I think honestly similar

[1:47:11] >> the real sample just like notice on the

[1:47:13] others is probably a little better than

[1:47:14] this show.

[1:47:17] >> Okay.

[1:47:20] » That's got some warmth in there.

[1:47:22] Obviously, the the colors next to it

[1:47:23] help warm it up as well.

[1:47:25] >> Yeah.

[1:47:27] Okay.

[1:47:28] >> Well, is there anybody willing to make a

[1:47:30] motion?

[1:47:34] Now I'll make a motion to approve.

[1:47:36] >> A second.

[1:47:36] >> Second.

[1:47:37] >> All those in favor, please raise your

[1:47:38] right hand.

[1:47:39] >> Okay, there you go. Thank you much.

[1:47:41] >> Appreciate your time.

[1:47:47] » Appreciate it.

[1:47:51] >> I think

[1:47:51] >> does he need to keep them?

[1:47:53] >> Do we keep the We want to keep the

[1:47:55] board, right?

[1:47:55] >> Yeah. Well,

[1:47:56] >> give me a mark and keep it. However you

[1:47:59] want to do it, we need to have up

[1:48:01] something that tells us those so I don't

[1:48:03] mark up.

[1:48:04] >> Also, I mean, I'm going to update our

[1:48:05] system. I can send you back a new one,

[1:48:07] too.

[1:48:07] >> Yep. Either way is fine.

[1:48:09] >> Okay.

[1:48:13] That moves it own uh staff

[1:48:15] reports. Do we have any staff reports?

[1:48:17] >> Um,

[1:48:19] nope. I don't think so. We So both

[1:48:23] Christine and David are um rotating off

[1:48:27] the board.

[1:48:29] So I think we do have applications in. I

[1:48:33] don't know who applied but neither of

[1:48:35] them applied to be back on the board. Um

[1:48:37] but I think we do have five applicants.

[1:48:39] So you go to another board.

[1:48:42] >> Well, no moving on to bigger better

[1:48:44] things. zoning committee

[1:48:46] zoning speech in Europe for a year.

[1:48:49] >> Oh, he gets go. Yeah. Okay, I

[1:48:52] understand.

[1:48:52] >> Zoning appeals board that makes noise a

[1:48:54] year.

[1:48:54] >> Yeah.

[1:48:59] >> Here's one more sample. Okay.

[1:49:00] >> Okay. And any other business for

[1:49:02] tonight?

[1:49:03] >> Okay.

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