[4:05] County Board of Commissioners meeting.

[4:08] Commissioner Quinn, would you lead us in

[4:10] the pledge of allegiance? My

[4:11] >> pleasure.

[4:14] To the flag of the United States of

[4:17] America and to the republic for which it

[4:20] stands. One nation under God,

[4:23] indivisible, with liberty and justice

[4:25] for all.

[4:32] » Next, we have Pastor Kevin Club of the

[4:35] Cape Carter Baptist Church will lead us

[4:37] in the invocation. Welcome, Pastor.

[4:39] >> Thank you.

[4:42] I've had the privilege of being a pastor

[4:44] here in Carter County for 32 years now.

[4:47] And anytime I find myself in a room

[4:50] filled with people, I'm tempted to do

[4:52] two things. Preach and take an offering.

[4:55] But

[4:55] >> [laughter]

[4:55] >> uh

[4:57] >> we'll pass the plate.

[5:01] >> We'll split it.

[5:02] >> All right. [laughter] I don't think

[5:04] that's the way that works, but I

[5:05] appreciate the offer. I do. All right.

[5:08] Let me lead us in prayer here. Father,

[5:11] we uh come to you tonight to acknowledge

[5:13] that you are a God of great design and

[5:15] purpose and and intention and uh yours

[5:18] is a good design and you've been

[5:20] [snorts] gracious to us and we um uh so

[5:24] that's why we come to you. We

[5:26] acknowledge that we we do trust in you,

[5:29] Lord. Uh you know that and you know how

[5:33] we struggle uh from time to time to

[5:35] trust in you. So, uh, we would confess

[5:38] to you that we are faced with situations

[5:42] and, uh, circumstances in our community

[5:46] that,

[5:48] uh, call for great discernment and

[5:51] wisdom and insight and u uh, just um the

[5:57] ability to to see things as they really

[6:01] are. And uh so we we thank you that

[6:06] you're the source of wisdom. Uh we're

[6:09] grateful for the resources that you have

[6:13] so

[6:14] generously provided to us in uh in this

[6:18] part of our state. Uh we are grateful uh for the bounty you

[6:25] have you have given us and um for the

[6:28] privilege it is to be able to live in a

[6:31] community like this. And so we would ask

[6:33] uh tonight uh that Lord as you have

[6:35] raised up uh leaders in our community

[6:39] that you would uh give them great uh

[6:42] wisdom and discernment that they would uh see things clearly

[6:48] and that they would make decisions that

[6:50] would uh be good for our community and

[6:55] ultimately would bring great honor and

[6:56] glory to you. So um we give the evening

[6:59] to you and ask your blessings on it in

[7:01] Jesus name I pray. Amen.

[7:04] >> Amen.

[7:05] >> Thank you pastor.

[7:06] >> Thank you.

[7:08] >> In accordance with the state government

[7:09] ethics act, it is the duty of every

[7:11] board member to avoid both conflicts of

[7:13] interest and the appearance of conflict.

[7:15] Does any board member have any known

[7:16] conflict of interest or the appearance

[7:18] of conflict with respect to any matter

[7:20] coming before the board this evening? If

[7:22] so, please identify the conflict and

[7:24] refrain from any undue particular

[7:26] participation in particular matter

[7:28] involved.

[7:30] We're all good. I'd like to remind

[7:32] everybody to silence our cell phones and

[7:34] devices.

[7:37] >> Mr. Chairman, I'll make a motion to

[7:38] adopt the agenda for this evening.

[7:40] >> All right. Motion by Vice Chairman

[7:42] Mansfield. Is there a second? Seconded

[7:44] by Commissioner Wal. All in favor? All

[7:47] right. Is there a motion on the consent

[7:50] agenda? Mr. Chairman, I'd like to make a motion on the consent agenda to

[7:57] uh table items 9 and 10

[8:00] uh regarding jail version recovery

[8:02] services with uh two entities

[8:06] um for the reason of give us a month or

[8:10] more time to evaluate a current contract

[8:13] that we have with another entity

[8:17] and to evaluate the necessity of writing

[8:21] two more contracts uh with with other

[8:25] [cough and clears throat] other

[8:26] entities.

[8:28] Okay,

[8:30] that's item nine and 10.

[8:36] Is there a second to uh

[8:39] Commissioner uh Shin's motion?

[8:42] >> I'll second.

[8:43] >> Seconded by Commissioner Clark. All in

[8:46] favor of taking item nine and 10 off the

[8:48] consent agenda, raise your hand.

[8:52] All opposed.

[8:55] Okay, we're gonna leave those items on

[8:56] there. Is there a motion to approve the

[8:59] consent agenda?

[9:00] >> Chairman, if I may, if I may interrupt,

[9:03] I'm sorry. The motion on the floor to

[9:06] table the item for a future meeting has

[9:09] failed, but any one commissioner can

[9:12] take an item off the consent agenda and

[9:15] make it eligible for consideration and

[9:17] discussion in the regular agenda.

[9:20] >> Okay.

[9:20] >> So, I I would say loop back around and

[9:23] now Commissioner Shen, if he pleases,

[9:25] can make a motion to remove it from the

[9:28] consent agenda and to include it as an

[9:30] action item for this evening. if if

[9:33] you'll excuse the interruption on that.

[9:40] » Would you I'll I'll move to take them

[9:43] off of that and have a discussion in our

[9:46] [clears throat] regular agenda.

[9:48] >> And we'd like to put that down around

[9:50] right before the manager's report. Maybe

[9:52] add 9A.

[9:55] >> I'm good with that.

[9:57] >> All right. We're going to move item nine

[9:59] and 10.

[10:02] remind me of that.

[10:03] >> Okay.

[10:04] >> Right before the manager's report.

[10:06] >> All right. So, is that an amended uh

[10:10] consent agenda or is that

[10:11] >> That's what that is. Yes.

[10:12] >> Is there a motion to approve the amended

[10:14] consent agenda?

[10:15] >> Motion by Commissioner Waldrip, seconded

[10:17] by

[10:18] >> I'll second.

[10:19] >> Commissioner Shen. All in favor.

[10:21] >> All right.

[10:24] Now, we have public comment.

[10:25] >> Point of clarification.

[10:26] >> Yes, sir.

[10:29] So

[10:31] if that had have not been the case and

[10:34] that had have been a vote right there, I

[10:37] abstained. So I didn't vote.

[10:39] >> But an abstension counts as an

[10:41] affirmative.

[10:42] >> Yes, it does.

[10:43] >> So it would have made it three to three.

[10:44] So what would have happened

[10:47] >> um tonight? It it would have stayed put

[10:51] and it would have stayed on the consent

[10:52] agenda because the motion was to remove

[10:54] it and it didn't pass. It would have

[10:55] been a tie and we don't have anyone to

[10:57] break the tie tonight because we don't

[10:59] have our

[11:00] >> So tie would have kept it on there,

[11:01] >> right? It wouldn't have been a majority

[11:03] vote.

[11:04] >> Okay. Interesting to note.

[11:06] >> All right. And for the record,

[11:07] Commissioner Moore is under weather and

[11:09] he has an excused absence tonight. All

[11:11] right. Next, we have public comment. Mr.

[11:13] Derwood Hudson is first on the list, and

[11:15] you'd like to speak about a road name

[11:18] change. We're going to have a separate

[11:19] public hearing on that.

[11:21] >> So, if you hold tight, we'll get you on

[11:23] the next. Thank you.

[11:25] >> The next one is Mr. James Jones.

[11:29] If you will approach the podium and give

[11:31] your name and address for the record and

[11:32] you have three minutes.

[11:36] [clears throat]

[11:37] Appreciate that.

[11:39] All right. Uh I'm part of a newly

[11:42] elected board that has been constructed

[11:44] in the Murman committee and community

[11:47] and we're looking to establish a a

[11:49] public park in the mun in the community.

[11:52] something totally new, something that

[11:54] exciting. The board members are excited

[11:56] about it. We've already gone throughout

[11:57] the community. We've taken and we've got

[11:59] names all the way up to Garb Bacon. And

[12:02] so we continue to get other names of

[12:03] individuals that are excited about a

[12:05] park coming in in Murman. And we're all

[12:07] starting the process of allocating

[12:09] property. So hopefully the county and

[12:11] merman we can come together with this

[12:13] project and you know and really see the

[12:15] need for not only for the youth that are

[12:17] spread it out for future grandkids that

[12:20] are coming. A lot of people moving in

[12:21] that's got kids, grandkids that vacation

[12:24] there and so uh there's a great need for

[12:26] it as well. We're excited about it

[12:29] because it's something new. It helps to

[12:30] develop also the community. It is

[12:32] property that's that we are looking to

[12:34] obtain that's going to be on the silver

[12:35] dollar road. you know, over the years

[12:37] there's been, you know, all kind of bad

[12:39] news or somewhat not favorable news, but

[12:41] we're here to turn that around because

[12:42] there's so many great people that live

[12:44] in Murman and as well as off the Silver

[12:47] Dollar Road. And so we're looking for a

[12:49] partnership, you know, with the with the

[12:50] county far as to, you know, to get on

[12:52] board with this right here and uh and as

[12:56] well as help us out because we're new at

[12:57] this here, but we already started doing

[12:59] the leg work far as establishing an

[13:01] account, 501c, possibly grants, talking

[13:04] to anybody that we can possibly talk to.

[13:06] And so we're excited and we're going to

[13:08] go further. You know, as long as it

[13:09] takes, we're going to be like a thorn in

[13:11] your side about this situation. Uh uh uh

[13:14] I mean, I got a lot of great friends

[13:16] that are here in the room. A lot of you

[13:17] probably already know me as well. I got

[13:19] a lot of free time now since I'm

[13:20] retired. And so, you know, [laughter]

[13:23] hope hopefully, you know, you know, we

[13:25] can keep this thing just on a friendship

[13:27] and keep this thing just rolling. I, you

[13:29] know, I I thank all the commissioners. I

[13:31] thank all all the board over there. I

[13:33] mean, I worked in the courthouse many of

[13:35] years and I was a police officer here in

[13:37] Bowford as well. And so, uh, they elect

[13:40] me cuz I don't mind talking. But anyway,

[13:43] I don't want to go over the 3 minutes,

[13:44] but we're looking forward with the

[13:46] getting on board with the county. Uh

[13:48] we're excited about someone donating

[13:50] property. So hopefully in that process,

[13:52] donating property, then we can in turn,

[13:54] hey, turn that property over to the

[13:55] county as a partnership and further this

[13:57] thing is on uh and so we're excited

[14:00] about being boost on the ground right

[14:01] now, but we're going to be further more

[14:03] excited about completing this project

[14:05] and not only completing this project,

[14:06] but future projects that's going that's

[14:08] going to take place out in that part of

[14:09] the county. So I guess that's my three

[14:12] minutes.

[14:13] >> But anyway, I want to give you guys

[14:14] >> Well, stick around because you come to

[14:16] the right meeting because the parks and

[14:17] recck master plan is going to be talked

[14:19] about here tonight. So you're you come

[14:21] to the right meeting.

[14:22] >> Yeah, I've already met him. So

[14:23] [laughter]

[14:25] we're going to be teaming up.

[14:27] >> Yes, sir.

[14:27] >> There's Chuck Leonard in the background.

[14:29] Go ahead and talk get him on board, will

[14:30] you, too? [laughter]

[14:35] So thank you, Mr. Jones.

[14:44] >> Next, we have Mr. Ronnie Watson.

[14:56] » Well, I looked at the agenda. Thank God

[14:58] I ain't got to stay for all of that.

[14:59] [laughter]

[15:00] But my name's Ronnie Watson. I'm from

[15:02] Emerald, North Carolina. And I'm coming

[15:05] to speak to you. And I want to thank

[15:06] y'all for the support that I've heard

[15:08] that you are supporting the tennis

[15:10] courts at Croatin, East Carter, and West

[15:12] Carter. I have coach Shehan here

[15:14] tonight, but he can verify what I'm

[15:16] going to say. You know, the courts, they

[15:21] might not be important to y'all, but you

[15:22] know, sports are very important to our

[15:25] kids. You know, a lot of them, they play

[15:27] tennis, they play basketball, football,

[15:30] baseball, and they go on to college

[15:32] maybe and play the sports. But, you

[15:35] know,

[15:38] I I know the school bond referendum was

[15:40] passed what, three or four, five years

[15:42] ago, and there was money in there for

[15:44] tennis courts. And I look at the tennis

[15:47] courts, and I was a coach there 20 years

[15:51] ago, and they're this they're worse. I

[15:54] mean, nothing has been done to them. And

[15:57] the thing, the reason I'm saying this,

[16:00] Jim's uh the guys, the boys team and the

[16:03] girls team, they have to go to Fort

[16:04] Benjamin to play home matches.

[16:07] And God forbid that they going down Nine

[16:10] Mile Road and somebody gets killed. And

[16:12] I hate I maybe hate to say that, but

[16:15] it's the truth. But if this happens,

[16:19] there'll be some lawyers involved and

[16:21] they going to bring the school in it as

[16:23] well. But we hope that uh we thank you

[16:25] for what you're doing. We hope that the

[16:27] schools will go ahead. They've got the

[16:29] money and we need to build. You know,

[16:32] I've been building buildings and stuff

[16:34] all my life. And if you don't maintain

[16:36] them, I mean, it's like the gym, the

[16:39] football field or the baseball field you

[16:41] and the track which hadn't been

[16:43] maintained.

[16:45] We need and I go to other schools in the area in other counties and I see

[16:51] they've got these facilities but they're

[16:52] maintaining what what they got. We're

[16:54] one of the wealthiest counties in North Carolina. And why we can't do

[16:59] it, you know, it just beyond me, but I

[17:02] pray to God that you do it. And coach

[17:04] Shehan, have you can you verify anything

[17:06] I'm saying?

[17:08] [clears throat]

[17:08] >> We are indeed of course. We have a an

[17:11] outstanding program and there's no

[17:13] telling how how well program could take

[17:16] off if we had a facility that was equal

[17:18] to what the kids are putting out.

[17:21] >> Well, I thank you and that's that's my

[17:22] three minutes. We appreciate it.

[17:24] >> Thank you, Mr. W.

[17:25] >> Thank you, sir.

[17:27] >> Next, we have Mr. Chuck Linder.

[17:39] 123 Center Drive, Atlantic

[17:42] Beach. I'd like to commend these two

[17:44] young gentlemen that just came up here

[17:46] and spoke because they're advocating

[17:47] again for the youth of our county and

[17:50] that's why I'm here. As you know, we're

[17:53] in desperate need of more youth athletic

[17:56] fields. I'm very curious to see what's

[17:58] in this master plan.

[18:01] As you know, we we Moria City Little

[18:03] League has been bringing the Woodbat

[18:06] tournament to Carter County and other

[18:08] tournaments for the last 15 years. We

[18:11] recognized that the county alone could

[18:13] not maintain their facilities. So, we

[18:16] went out, we did tournaments, we

[18:18] fundraised, and we made close to half a

[18:21] million dollars improvements at Swinson

[18:24] Park. So, I would encourage all

[18:26] organizations to become interested in

[18:29] bringing outside tournaments,

[18:31] activities. It's been proven, as Mr.

[18:34] Watson said other counties are able to

[18:37] make money off of these facilities that

[18:39] they build.

[18:41] In last February, March, the young lady

[18:44] stood here and and talked about the

[18:46] Burke complex in Wilson.

[18:48] Uh grossed about 44 million that year.

[18:52] Expenses were 40. So they had a a small

[18:55] profit of $4 million, which is not a bad

[18:57] little uh investment. But I I think what

[19:02] we need to think about more so than the

[19:06] finances that it's going to cost to

[19:08] maintain facilities is our youth and the

[19:13] investment that we need to make in our

[19:15] youth more so than other facilities. I'd

[19:19] rather see the investment go to our

[19:21] youth than more jail space. Not that I'm

[19:24] against it, but if we can get our youth

[19:27] at an early age to become good citizens,

[19:31] we don't need to keep building jails

[19:34] every 10, 15, 20 years. That's what I'm

[19:37] interested in. We We have grandchildren

[19:41] coming up and I would love to see them

[19:43] be able to stay in this county with

[19:46] something to do, but right now we're maxed out. We with Moyes City just

[19:54] approved 310

[19:56] new units in Moyes City. Our Lily

[19:59] program is going to we're not going to

[20:01] have anywhere to go next year. It's it's

[20:03] we need more youth facilities. I thank

[20:05] you gentlemen for coming tonight.

[20:07] >> Thank you, Mr. Linder.

[20:09] >> Three minutes is not enough.

[20:13] » But them three minutes add up though.

[20:15] [laughter]

[20:16] >> Next we have Miss Betty Williams.

[20:18] [snorts]

[20:22] Miss Betty Williams, is she out there?

[20:26] >> Okay,

[20:26] >> I'm here with James.

[20:28] >> All right, you're keeping James

[20:29] straight. You got your hands full.

[20:31] [laughter]

[20:33] Mr. Charlie Collins.

[20:43] My name is Charlie Collins. I'm from Moa

[20:45] City, North Carolina. And I'm here to

[20:47] represent Meman for Me Park. Uh like

[20:51] James had integrated earlier. Uh we got

[20:56] our youth is coming up and uh they need

[20:58] somewhere to go some some activities

[21:00] they can come and play nice playground

[21:02] where they can play in and uh and we can

[21:06] do this if we work together. And I and I

[21:09] believe in our heart that it's going to

[21:11] work. and and if the county

[21:13] commissioners and and the me bow and moy

[21:17] city and and our community working

[21:19] together, we can make this happen.

[21:21] >> Thank you.

[21:22] M. Collins.

[21:23] >> Thank you, sir.

[21:28] Joshua Miller.

[21:43] You will state your name and address for

[21:44] the record, please.

[21:45] >> Joshua Miller from Peliter, North

[21:47] Carolina.

[21:49] I'm here on um I thought I never thought

[21:52] I'd be here on a flock problem. [snorts]

[21:56] The Fourth Amendment exists for a

[21:57] reason. And Carpenter v. United States

[21:59] Supreme Court recognized something

[22:01] fundamental. The government cannot

[22:02] simply obtain a detailed record of a

[22:05] person's movement over an extended

[22:07] period of time without complying with a

[22:09] fourth amendment requirement. [snorts]

[22:11] Yet, this county has chosen to put a

[22:13] powerful surveillance system on the

[22:15] roads, one that captures our license

[22:17] plate records. They're updating them and

[22:20] getting new information every day. And

[22:23] when the citizens object, we're told,

[22:25] well, if you have nothing to hide, you

[22:26] have nothing to fear. And that's not the

[22:28] standard of a free society. We don't owe

[22:31] this county an explanation where we

[22:33] drive. We don't owe our government

[22:34] justification on our lawful movements.

[22:37] Benjamin Franklin, he warned us

[22:39] precisely ex this exact situation. Those

[22:42] who would give up essential liberty to

[22:43] purchase little temporary safety deserve

[22:46] neither liberty nor safety.

[22:50] Security purchased at the expense of

[22:52] constitutional rights is not true

[22:54] security. It's the surrender of our

[22:55] liberty. And I'm shocked you guys are

[22:57] doing it in this county right now. And

[22:59] that's why I'm here is because I have

[23:01] kids. So I have an obligation to be here

[23:03] and make sure they don't grow up in a

[23:04] surveillance state.

[23:08] Terminate the flock contract, dismantle

[23:10] the warrant warrantless surveillance

[23:12] apparatus, and bring this county

[23:15] practices back in compliance with the

[23:17] constitution and the principles that you

[23:19] all swore the oath to uphold. I swore

[23:21] that same oath many times.

[23:24] You can see I'm ticked off.

[23:27] And the American Revolution,

[23:30] it wasn't fought by every American. It

[23:32] was only fought by about 10 to 15% of

[23:34] the population. So out of every hundred,

[23:36] 10 guys. And now sorry, that's male and

[23:39] female.

[23:41] Fortunately for you, I'm one of those 10

[23:42] that still believe in liberty.

[23:45] >> That's just you got time.

[23:48] >> Okay. And I'm not talking about a

[23:50] historical statistic. I'm talking about

[23:51] the kind of citizen who believes that

[23:53] liberty is worth standing up for. who's

[23:55] not going to quietly surrender because

[23:56] the government says that it's for my own

[23:58] safety. I can keep my kids safe. I don't

[24:00] need the government's help. Protect our

[24:02] rights or we'll find people that will.

[24:05] That's all I got to say.

[24:06] >> Thank you,

[24:07] >> Mr. Mr. Chairman. I'd like to break

[24:08] protocol. Mr. Mo, if you wait just one

[24:10] second. So,

[24:11] >> where did you get your research on this?

[24:14] >> I I go on flocks. You can go on

[24:15] dflock.org and see where every camera is

[24:17] and I went and verified looked and saw

[24:19] the cameras.

[24:20] >> They're not county cameras.

[24:21] >> We don't have any cameras.

[24:22] >> We don't have We don't We don't have a

[24:23] cop. They can point them at the highway.

[24:24] >> We don't have I I don't know. But

[24:25] they're not count. They're not

[24:26] >> You're commissioner. You should know

[24:28] that.

[24:28] >> No. No sir.

[24:29] >> There is not a contract with the county

[24:31] with flock.

[24:32] >> So why do we have them pointing at our

[24:33] roadways right now tracking our

[24:35] movements? That doesn't concern you.

[24:36] >> It's probably in a municipality or

[24:37] something. No, I'm not saying it doesn't

[24:38] concern me. I'm just saying the basis of

[24:40] your conversation tonight, your concerns

[24:42] are valid and most of us agree with you.

[24:45] But the county does not have a contract

[24:47] with them and we don't have any cameras

[24:49] that we've put up. So all these cameras

[24:51] pointing right now on the highways

[24:54] >> getting all the license plates getting

[24:56] on Bluetooth tracking.

[24:57] >> They're not they're not they're not in

[24:58] they're not with Carter County.

[25:00] >> They may be more at city. They may be

[25:02] Atlantic Beach. I can't speak to that.

[25:04] >> And maybe we are actually a board of

[25:06] Carter County Commissioners not of the

[25:08] municipalities.

[25:09] >> Okay. So

[25:10] >> So you may want to speak to some

[25:11] municipal meetings.

[25:12] >> Yeah.

[25:13] >> We don't have a contract with Flock. All

[25:14] right. For the record. Let's move on.

[25:16] Thank you for coming. Next we have Brian

[25:18] Nicolo.

[25:20] >> [clears throat]

[25:24] » Good evening. I'm Brian Niclo, 1402

[25:27] Salter Path Road. Um, it's u we

[25:30] appreciate what you all do and sovereign

[25:32] showing up is important because you all

[25:34] don't know what to address if we don't

[25:35] let you know. I'm here to make just a

[25:37] general comment. Um, so it's um about

[25:41] Noah Webster's dictionary 1828. American

[25:45] uh dictionary of the English language

[25:47] was produced during the years when

[25:49] America home church and schools were

[25:51] established upon biblical and patriotic

[25:53] bases. Webster made important

[25:55] contributions to an American educational

[25:58] system which kept the nation upon

[26:00] Christian constitutional course for many

[26:02] years. A federal catechism was

[26:04] introduced into curriculum in 1794. He

[26:08] gave a short explanation of the

[26:09] principles of the American

[26:11] constitutional form of government and

[26:13] defined America as a representative

[26:15] republic. Students learn distinct

[26:18] distinctly why a federal representative

[26:21] republic is a better form of government.

[26:23] Shortly after schools became organized

[26:26] under the state systems, the

[26:28] substitution of democracy for republic

[26:31] was made, which was incorrect. Upon

[26:34] Horus man, who is also known as the

[26:36] father of American education, rest the

[26:38] blame for removing from the curriculum

[26:40] the study of an American philosophy of

[26:43] government which included the concepts

[26:45] of our constitution. Horus man and his

[26:47] contemporaries made America's early

[26:49] education a ward of the state. Today,

[26:52] the necessity for restoring the clarity

[26:54] and identity of constitutional meanings

[26:57] is obvious if we are to make substantial

[26:59] progress in rebuilding the foundation

[27:02] upon which this nation was established.

[27:05] The reason I'm here telling you about an

[27:06] old 1828 Webster's dictionary is to make

[27:10] you aware of the globalist effort to

[27:12] omit, substitute, and redefine the

[27:16] meanings of words and phrases. For the

[27:18] globalists, it's easier to change the

[27:20] meaning of words and phrases than it is

[27:22] to enact new legislation and enact

[27:26] pertinent laws.

[27:28] We experienced an onslaught of changes

[27:30] the meaning of words and phrases during

[27:32] the following the stone election of

[27:34] 2020. Remember they changed the word

[27:36] vaccine the def definition thereof. They

[27:39] changed the definition of recession,

[27:41] gender, gain of function. However,

[27:44] looking forward with the advent of AI,

[27:46] artificial intelligence, that is, there

[27:48] is a massive effort by some AI companies

[27:50] to scan and then destroy old books. Once

[27:54] the old books are destroyed, it will

[27:56] only take a couple generations to

[27:58] convince people with revised

[27:59] information. So, what I want you to do

[28:02] is save old books, register to vote, get

[28:05] out and vote because we have midterms

[28:07] coming up. Don't let 15% of the

[28:09] electorate choose your elected

[28:11] officials. And with that, I thank you

[28:14] for your time.

[28:15] >> Thank you, Mr. Nicolo. Is there anyone

[28:17] else would like to speak tonight?

[28:20] >> All right.

[28:23] Next, we have a

[28:24] >> sir.

[28:25] >> Yes, ma'am. If you will approach the

[28:26] podium and give your name and address

[28:28] for the record.

[28:30] Theresa Morton

[28:33] um 3815 3813 semicircle in Mort City,

[28:37] North Carolina.

[28:39] I would like to speak on the mass

[28:42] surveillance.

[28:43] I support the protection act against

[28:47] mass surveillance.

[28:49] Um my rights are important, my liberty

[28:51] is important, my freedom's important.

[28:55] And

[28:56] I think that sums it up.

[28:59] >> Thank you. Thank you.

[29:04] Next, we have a public hearing for a

[29:06] road name change

[29:08] from a portion of White Oak Street to

[29:11] Circle Drive. Miss Moren Dory.

[29:18] » Good evening.

[29:20] [laughter]

[29:24] » Uh, okay. So, we've uh received a

[29:27] request for um changing a portion of a

[29:31] street in Cedar Point

[29:34] um from White Oak Street to Circle

[29:38] Drive. It's a portion of White Oak

[29:40] Street to Circle Drive. Um so, a little

[29:43] bit of background, if you would flip the

[29:45] slide so we can see the map. Um thank

[29:49] you. The um

[29:52] issue is

[29:55] when this several subdivisions were

[29:58] developed, White Oak Street, which goes

[30:01] from Highway 78 and hooks down to Hidden

[30:04] Bay,

[30:05] >> sorry,

[30:06] >> 58.

[30:07] >> Highway 58, right?

[30:09] >> Um was supposed to continue um to have

[30:14] serve as a connection between

[30:15] subdivisions. Well, there actually is a

[30:19] portion of White Oak Street that is

[30:20] impassible. It was never um constructed

[30:25] as planned. So, essentially, we've got a

[30:28] White Oak Street segment coming off 58

[30:31] and a White Oak Street segment coming

[30:32] off of Hidden Bay, and it causes routing

[30:36] and emergency services and and mail

[30:38] delivery issues because of that gap in

[30:42] the street. Um, so the proposal is to um

[30:47] continue Circle Drive down to Hidden Bay

[30:50] Drive and cut White Oak Street. So it

[30:53] ends um before Circle Drive. And we have

[30:58] received um over 51% of

[31:02] um approval from the affected owners

[31:05] that are highlighted in red. And um we

[31:09] actually [clears throat] received

[31:09] another um petition for support the

[31:12] other day. So almost all of the owners

[31:15] have signed to agree to this change and

[31:18] if if you all would approve

[31:21] um we would update the 911 system to

[31:24] reflect and hopefully fix this issue for

[31:29] that's been there for many years.

[31:33] >> Okay. And here's a picture just showing

[31:35] that it's path. It's kind of a pathway,

[31:38] not even passable by emergency services,

[31:42] vehicle or mail delivery. Um, and eight

[31:46] owners now have signed the petition.

[31:52] » Okay.

[31:53] >> I'm sorry.

[31:54] >> And nine were affected, right?

[31:55] >> Nine were affected and eight.

[31:57] >> Right. And we've not received any u any

[32:00] note um that uh

[32:04] dis disapproves of the change.

[32:08] >> Okay. Thank you, Moren. We need to go in

[32:10] a public hearing.

[32:11] >> Make a motion to go into public hearing.

[32:12] >> Motion by Vice Chairman Mansfield,

[32:15] seconded by Commissioner Clark. All in

[32:16] favor? We are now in public hearing. Uh

[32:20] if anyone like to speak on this matter,

[32:21] Mr. Hudson, would you like to go first?

[32:28] Hi, I'm Derwood Hudson. I live on White

[32:30] Oak Street. Thank Thank you

[32:32] commissioners for listening. Thank you,

[32:34] Moren, for a hard job. Marian, I um I've

[32:39] delivered mail for 30 years, so I know

[32:41] changing dress is a bit of a pain, but

[32:43] it it's not that big of a struggle, but

[32:45] I live here.

[32:49] My wife has a her dad lives here, so we we've been here. She's been She's had

[32:55] her place for 40 years. I've been here

[32:57] for nine. I've seen I've seen people

[33:01] with GPS. It's horrible because if you

[33:03] get the GPS and you're coming from 58,

[33:05] it's going to take you here and it's

[33:07] going to take you here. And they've just

[33:09] This start here has just been put there.

[33:12] I mean, it was like where the creek used

[33:14] to be and it's not anymore. I've seen

[33:17] ambulances get caught and and go there.

[33:19] Most of the firemen do not because

[33:21] they've they've been there. they're on

[33:23] this side of 58 and it's going to turn

[33:25] them on to hidden bay. So, we understand

[33:28] it's kind of a pain, but we really

[33:30] appreciate if you guys could help us

[33:32] out. Thank you so much.

[33:34] >> Thank you, Mr. Hudson. Is there anyone

[33:36] else would like to speak?

[33:40] Is there a motion to go out of public

[33:42] hearing?

[33:43] >> So, move.

[33:43] >> Motion by Commissioner Wald, seconded by

[33:45] Commissioner Quinn. We are now out of

[33:47] public hearing.

[33:49] >> Mr. Mr. Chairman, in an effort to uh

[33:52] puff for public safety, I'd make a

[33:54] motion to approve the request of the

[33:56] rename the affected portion of White Oak

[33:58] Street to Circle Drive. All right.

[34:00] Motion by Vice Chairman Mansfield. Is

[34:02] there a second? Seconded by Commissioner

[34:04] Walder. All in favor?

[34:06] All right, that passes.

[34:10] Thank you all. Next, we have a public

[34:12] hearing for a road name change from

[34:15] Morris Lane to Sea Turtle Bay.

[34:18] Thank you, Moren. take it away.

[34:21] >> You're welcome. Uh, so this is a

[34:23] previous request that was tabled last um

[34:26] meeting. Just bringing it back. There's

[34:28] no um changes to the request.

[34:32] It's in Harker's Island. Morris Lane

[34:34] currently um which

[34:38] if we can see the map um

[34:42] Morris Lane is s currently only serving

[34:45] two properties and the applicant um owns

[34:49] these two properties and they wish to

[34:52] change Morris Lane to Sea Turtle Bay. Um

[34:55] the road actually um does cross Harker

[34:58] Island Electric, a property owned by

[35:01] Harker Island Electric. Um,

[35:04] uh, I did manage to find an official,

[35:08] um, subdivision plat that showed

[35:12] this driveway to be labeled Morris Lane.

[35:15] And there was a, um,

[35:18] a maintenance agreement that the owners

[35:22] um,

[35:24] submitted for um,

[35:27] mortgage approval um, to maintain Morris

[35:31] Lane. Um, and

[35:34] that's all the new information I have. I

[35:36] tried to present the applicant with some

[35:41] history of the Morrises down east. Um,

[35:43] and they still would like to change the

[35:45] name. So,

[35:48] >> okay. Is there a motion to go in a

[35:49] public hearing?

[35:50] >> So, moved.

[35:51] >> Motion by Vice Chairman Mansfield.

[35:52] >> Second.

[35:53] >> Seconded by Commissioner Quinn. We are

[35:55] now in a public hearing. Is there anyone

[35:57] here that would like to speak on this

[35:58] matter?

[36:00] All right. All right, while I'll take

[36:01] the floor, I'm against this. Uh the

[36:04] Morrises that lived on that road was

[36:05] Lori Morris, his wife Brenda Morris, and

[36:08] his daughter Laura Morris. And uh you

[36:12] see these old guys walking down the

[36:14] street with a Vietnam hat on or a uh

[36:18] army hat or whatever. And then you see

[36:20] on the internet where it shows uh what

[36:23] that guy looked like 30, 40, 50 years

[36:26] ago when he's in his tiger stripe

[36:28] camouflage outfit holding his M16. He

[36:30] was much more badass dude looking back

[36:33] then than he is walking down Front

[36:35] Street here in Buffer and uh or Atlantic

[36:38] or Harker's Island or wherever. So

[36:40] that's the kind of guy Mr. Lori was in

[36:42] the Army or the Army Corps of Engineers.

[36:44] His wife, Miss Brenda, she was like a

[36:47] home health nurse. Uh but that was

[36:49] before you had home health. So they said

[36:51] the old people called it she set with

[36:52] people

[36:53] >> and her daughter Laura, she worked it

[36:55] out of crossroads and uh made those big

[36:58] cheese biscuits that everybody likes. If

[37:00] you hadn't had one of them, you're

[37:01] missing out. But so it might be Morris

[37:06] Street today. Next week it might be

[37:08] Willis Street or you go over to Newport

[37:10] and want to erase the Quins or the

[37:12] Garners or Mansfield Parkway over to

[37:14] Morehead. Now where does it stop? So,

[37:17] I'm for hanging with the badass guy back

[37:20] any years ago when I was in the army and

[37:23] not erasing a part of Downy's history or

[37:25] any other part of the history. And I'm

[37:27] for sticking to uh Morris Lane and I'm

[37:32] not for the sea turtles l not for Sea

[37:34] Turtle Bay. So, that's Chris's opinion

[37:37] and I appreciate my fellow commissioner

[37:40] support me on that.

[37:41] >> Mr. Chairman, motion to go out of public

[37:42] hearing.

[37:43] >> Motion by Vice Chairman Mansfield. Is

[37:45] there a second?

[37:46] >> Second. Seconded by Commissioner Clark.

[37:47] All in favor? We're now at a public

[37:50] hearing.

[37:52] Is there a motion on the floor?

[37:55] I'll make a motion that we denied a

[37:57] request.

[37:58] >> Second.

[38:00] >> Seconded by Commissioner Quinn. All in

[38:02] favor?

[38:04] All right. Next item.

[38:07] >> Thank you.

[38:08] Moren. You've been with the

[38:10] county a long time and you do an

[38:11] excellent job for us.

[38:12] >> Thank you very much. Appreciate your

[38:14] help

[38:15] >> with Mr. Derwood.

[38:18] >> Next, we have the presentation and

[38:20] consideration of adoption of the

[38:21] comprehensive parks and recreation

[38:24] master plan for 2027

[38:26] all the way to 2042.

[38:29] Matt Renal, take it away, Matt.

[38:31] >> Thank you, Mr. Chair, members of the

[38:32] board. I still have a lot of years ahead

[38:34] of me, so we built a 15-year plan.

[38:36] >> All right.

[38:37] >> So, last year, the county contracted the

[38:39] McGill Associates to assist with the

[38:41] updating of our parts and rec master

[38:42] plan. The primary objectives were to

[38:45] assess the existing parks and programs,

[38:47] gather input from the community, and

[38:49] develop that amazing 15-year action

[38:51] plan. There was a lot of community

[38:52] engagement, which uh my partner here

[38:54] next to me will get into. Um but this

[38:56] master plan is to be used as a living

[38:58] document to help guide future program

[39:00] and financial decisions. It is also

[39:02] necessary to have this plan adopted by

[39:04] the board so that when we apply for

[39:06] grants such as part and others that we

[39:08] have and it's up to date on it. uh to

[39:10] introduce Nate uh with McGill

[39:12] Associates. He's been the project lead.

[39:14] He has over 20 years experience working

[39:16] in parks and wreck at the local, state,

[39:18] and federal level in addition to a

[39:19] master's degree in parks and wreck from

[39:21] UNCC Greensboro. And he was the program

[39:23] manager or project manager, sorry, on

[39:26] North Carolina's statewide outdoor wreck

[39:28] plan. So, with that, I'll turn the next

[39:30] portion over to Nate. And there's there

[39:33] we go.

[39:34] >> Good evening, commissioners. How are we

[39:35] all? So, it's encouraging to hear that

[39:38] you had members of the public that come

[39:39] out and talk about how important parks

[39:42] and recreation is for the county. Um,

[39:43] it's encouraging because uh you as the

[39:46] leaders in the community saw that in

[39:47] advance and took steps to do this plan.

[39:50] Um, the document itself is over 100

[39:52] pages long. I don't think anybody wants

[39:54] me to go through all 100 pages tonight.

[39:56] Um, I am going to go and hit the high

[39:58] points. You're welcome to stop me at any

[39:59] point in time if you'd like. And Nate,

[40:00] just to let everybody know, this parks

[40:03] and recrecks, the plan that he's talking

[40:05] about is in the agenda package for

[40:07] tonight,

[40:08] >> so you can see it as well.

[40:09] >> That's right. Yep. Um, so, uh, as I

[40:12] said, commissioners, you're welcome to

[40:14] stop me as we're going through this. I

[40:15] am going to hit the high points. Um, all

[40:18] right. So, we're going to start with,

[40:20] um, what is one of the most critical

[40:22] pieces of the comprehensive plan. Um,

[40:25] that being the public input. And just to

[40:27] let you know on the high notes, what

[40:28] we've gone through to include to to

[40:30] understand what the public wants is a

[40:32] statistically valid survey that's been done to academic standards. We

[40:35] actually partnered with a firm that does

[40:37] these all across the country. So it was

[40:38] done at the highest level possible. We

[40:40] also offered an open survey um that was

[40:43] not only done and and encouraged

[40:45] community members to participate, but it

[40:46] was also broken up in a way so that we

[40:48] can understand, you know, what the area

[40:50] residents around um Morehead or Marman

[40:53] or whatever part of the county what they

[40:55] were interested in. we can see kind of

[40:57] in greater detail what they'd like. Um

[40:59] we also had public input meetings that

[41:01] were spread around the county. We had

[41:02] staff um staff meetings and focus group

[41:04] meetings. Now what we're going to do is

[41:06] whenever we go through the actual

[41:07] recommendation piece, it's more or less

[41:09] a conglomeration of what that is. I'm

[41:11] not going to go through each one of

[41:12] those in great depth. Um all right. So

[41:16] the other thing that we did was that we

[41:18] compared your park system against the

[41:20] National Recreation Parks Association

[41:21] metrics. This is a best practice and

[41:24] what it does is it compares your system

[41:27] in particular what we're talking about

[41:28] is uh parks and recreation facilities

[41:30] that the county itself owns against

[41:32] comparably sized communities ac around

[41:34] the county I'm sorry around the country.

[41:37] Um what we have up on the screen it may

[41:38] be a little bit hard to see but what I

[41:40] want you to pay attention to is um first

[41:42] up before we get into this parks and

[41:44] recreation metrics and benchmarking is

[41:48] not standards. All right. So, what we

[41:51] see up on the screen is um if it is in

[41:53] red, it's below uh benchmark. If it's in

[41:57] green, it's within benchmark. If it's in

[41:58] blue, it's above benchmark. The reason

[42:00] why I brought up standards is it's

[42:02] important to understand that if you're

[42:03] below benchmark in a certain area, it

[42:05] doesn't mean that you're failing. What

[42:07] it is actually doing is describing what

[42:09] the community has and then we'll compare

[42:11] that to what the actual residents want.

[42:13] So, as you'll see here, there's several

[42:15] areas where you're actually above

[42:16] benchmark

[42:18] and and a lot of those are athletic

[42:20] fields related. That doesn't mean that

[42:22] you don't need more of that. That just

[42:24] means that that's how your current

[42:25] system is stacked up. Right now, your parks and recreation system is more

[42:30] leaning towards a more active recreation

[42:32] style system.

[42:34] All right. So, some of the other things

[42:36] that we took into account are your

[42:37] program related data. And as I

[42:39] mentioned, um, just because you have

[42:42] more athletic fields doesn't mean that

[42:44] you have too many. What we have up on

[42:46] the screen here is a review of some of

[42:48] your athletic programs. And, and what I

[42:51] want you to see is the trends that are

[42:52] going on. So, your baseball programs are

[42:54] continuing to grow. Your soccer programs

[42:56] are continuing to grow. And then the one

[42:58] that's on the biggest area down there is

[43:00] total travel ball participation that's

[43:02] going on. And this is a trend that's not

[43:05] only happening just in Carter County,

[43:07] but it's happening all around the count

[43:08] around the country is more and more um

[43:11] athletics is being not only used to

[43:14] encourage local participation, but more

[43:15] and more competit it's becoming um

[43:18] competitive in the sense that it's

[43:19] drawing more people in from out of the

[43:21] area. Um so why is that important?

[43:25] Whenever we benchmark your system

[43:27] against other comparably sized

[43:29] communities around the county, your park

[43:31] system in terms of acreage is low.

[43:34] Um, and why that's important is whenever

[43:39] you have a smaller system like what you

[43:41] currently have now in terms of acres,

[43:44] the the parks that you have um can get

[43:47] loved to death. And and whenever that

[43:49] happens, no matter how strong of an

[43:51] effort your parks and recreation

[43:53] department is making, your facilities

[43:55] are going to get worn out. They're going

[43:56] to get used. And as we saw with this,

[43:58] with more and more people using your

[44:00] facilities, it's straining that system.

[44:03] Uh it's jumping around. That's just

[44:06] something to bear in mind. And that's

[44:07] not true of just Carter County. It

[44:09] happens a lot that whenever you build a

[44:10] system and you have a lot of growth

[44:12] that's coming in, in particular,

[44:14] especially with y'all having Interstate

[44:15] 42 coming in, that's more and more

[44:17] what's happening. your parks department

[44:18] is doing a great job. It's just your

[44:20] facilities are getting strained. So, the

[44:23] next piece that I want to pull up is

[44:24] unmet facility needs.

[44:27] Um, if you look at kind of from the

[44:30] bottom to the top, if you see more red,

[44:32] it means that those are not those are

[44:34] unmet needs. If you see it in blue, it's

[44:37] a partially met need. I'm sorry, in

[44:39] gray, it's a partially met need. If you

[44:41] notice, your athletic fields are up

[44:43] towards the top.

[44:45] Now, that doesn't mean that you don't

[44:46] need more athletic fields. Your your

[44:48] recreation program data is actually

[44:50] saying that you have need for more

[44:53] athletic fields 100%. What this is

[44:55] saying is that you actually have

[44:57] community members that desire recreation

[44:59] that isn't athletic fields.

[45:01] So, you have both a desire for passive

[45:03] recreation, trails, hiking, biking, um

[45:07] those type of things, and there's also a

[45:09] desire for um more of those athletic

[45:12] fields. But right now, both of those

[45:14] demands are trying to be met by a very

[45:16] limited amount of parkland.

[45:20] All right. So, why do I bring this up?

[45:22] Um, so whenever we asked through the

[45:24] statistically valid survey how important

[45:26] it was to have high quality to fund high

[45:29] quality parks and recreation in the

[45:31] county, the part that I want to draw you

[45:32] to is 68% I'm sorry, 64% said it was

[45:37] very important. The part that I want to

[45:39] really draw your attention to is that

[45:41] only 1% think that it's not important.

[45:44] And I want to let that sink in. We've

[45:46] heard a lot about uh people talking

[45:48] about how important it is for the youth

[45:49] to have recreation, but this is saying

[45:51] it's not just important for the youth to

[45:53] have recreation. It's important to

[45:55] virtually everybody in the entire

[45:57] community. So, I want you to bear that

[45:59] in mind as you're using this tool, this

[46:00] comprehensive plan, as a resource over

[46:02] the next 15 years.

[46:04] All right. So, how do you stack up? We

[46:06] also benchmarked you uh both nationally

[46:08] and against comparably sized counties

[46:10] around uh the state in terms of what

[46:13] you're spending on operational funds.

[46:16] For the state, you're actually not doing

[46:17] too bad. Um you know, a lot of those

[46:20] other counties that are of comparable

[46:21] size are more inland. Whenever we look

[46:23] at um another kind of coastal community,

[46:26] you're you're pretty close to where

[46:27] they're at. They're slightly above you.

[46:28] But whenever we benchmark you against

[46:30] those national tiers, those uh the

[46:32] national lower median and upper cortile,

[46:34] you're a little bit lower. And the

[46:36] reason why I wanted to bring that in and

[46:37] why that's important is you have a

[46:39] destination. Your community is important

[46:42] not just to your residents but to

[46:43] non-residents. And being able to bring

[46:46] people in is central to to not just your

[46:49] quality of life but also to your

[46:51] economy. So that's that's important to

[46:52] bring that in.

[46:54] All right. So whenever we we also did

[46:58] some kind of tangential study within uh

[47:00] the comprehensive plan Carter County

[47:02] through visitnc data um recreation is a

[47:05] significant portion of your local

[47:07] economy. Um you have $743 million it's

[47:11] spending related to tourism. 107 of that

[47:14] is recreation related. That doesn't mean

[47:16] that it's you know your parks and

[47:17] recreation department alone but it is a

[47:19] significant portion of it. And what

[47:21] we're going to get at, and I'm going to

[47:22] kind of tip my hand here for just a

[47:24] second, is sports tourism is a growing

[47:27] portion of the the US economy and it's

[47:30] really important to a lot of different

[47:31] places. Right now, your community just

[47:34] because of your system being so small,

[47:36] you're really not really able to serve

[47:37] that niche just yet. But it is something

[47:40] that we want to uh that as we're going

[47:42] to go through here in just a second, it

[47:44] is something that we think that you

[47:45] should start to look at. So, I'm going

[47:47] to get in kind of two terms. I'm going

[47:49] to go through. There's a lot of detail

[47:50] within the plan that's talking about how

[47:52] the plan should actually roll out in

[47:54] terms of facilities and programs. I want

[47:56] you to take two major themes home with

[47:59] you. The first of which is most of your

[48:01] parks right now around the county and we

[48:03] also look to see where the municipal

[48:05] parks were at and also your school

[48:06] facilities. Most of your parks to date

[48:08] have been largely developed in coastal

[48:11] areas and in the sound areas and

[48:13] certainly you have the national for

[48:15] forest that's currently inland. But with

[48:17] Interstate 42 development coming in, we

[48:21] really think that the county should

[48:22] start to look at inland areas for

[48:24] parkland and do some feasibility

[48:27] research into whether that be a nature

[48:29] type uh type park, a sports tourism

[48:32] destination. Um because you know if you

[48:35] develop a park that is one able to serve

[48:37] the residents first but also maybe in

[48:40] the shoulder seasons um whenever you

[48:42] could maybe you develop a sports tourism

[48:44] complex or maybe you develop a nature

[48:46] park that's inland that not only serves

[48:49] those residents during your peak times

[48:50] but in the offseason and the and in your

[48:52] shoulder season is also able to put more

[48:54] heads in your beds to to bring more

[48:56] tourists into the area which also

[48:58] bolsters your local economy. And doing

[49:00] that we think is really essential to by

[49:02] trying to find some inland area to

[49:04] expand your park system.

[49:07] The other thing that we want you to

[49:08] think about is your program base. Um

[49:11] right now your staff is giving it all

[49:12] they can, but a lot of the passive

[49:15] recreation programs that the community

[49:17] wants, you need more space to be able to

[49:19] offer it. So a lot of things that the

[49:20] community is interested in are things

[49:22] like special events, uh more fitness

[49:24] areas, programs for seniors and

[49:27] different age groups. But the way your

[49:29] current system is set up is because if

[49:31] it's more active recreation, you have to

[49:34] have additional land to be able to offer

[49:36] more of those program spaces and it's

[49:38] going to take you a little bit of time

[49:39] to actually get there. So, in time

[49:41] expanding more of that passive

[49:42] recreation to serve uh the community.

[49:46] All right. Again, this was just an

[49:48] overview. What I have up on the screen

[49:50] are kind of what the details look like.

[49:52] I know that you've had a chance to see

[49:53] it. The community will also have a

[49:54] chance to see it. that we finitely go

[49:56] through the very um regimented list of

[49:59] not only the details that you think that

[50:01] we think you need to to pursue over the

[50:03] next 15 years but broke that break those

[50:05] down into different areas and prioritize

[50:08] them. The other thing that we do is we

[50:11] also give you a list of capital um

[50:13] considerations that you should make over

[50:15] the next 15 years. Now, I will say that

[50:17] whenever you look at those capital

[50:19] projects, it benefits you to have a

[50:22] larger list within there that really

[50:24] describes the whole area of what the

[50:26] county would really need with the idea

[50:28] that if it's listed in there, you can

[50:30] actually go after grant funds. If it's

[50:32] not listed in there, you really struggle

[50:34] to go after grant [snorts] funding for

[50:35] it. Um, and then it's really meant to be

[50:38] a piece that helps you make decisions.

[50:40] Most communities will not go in and

[50:42] develop 100% of what's recommended, but

[50:44] it does give you a road map of, you

[50:46] know, what uh what you can pick and

[50:48] choose and go after grant funding and

[50:49] move forward.

[50:51] All right. Um, with that being, like I

[50:53] said, I meant for this to be an over uh

[50:55] an overview of the the comp plan. Um,

[50:58] and I'm happy to entertain any questions

[50:59] that you may have.

[51:02] >> Any questions?

[51:05] >> So, does McGill

[51:08] Sorry. Is that okay? Go ahead. Cool.

[51:11] >> So, does does Miguel stay with us for

[51:13] any length of time after the publication

[51:15] of this? I mean, do we have you as a as

[51:18] a resource to

[51:19] >> I I will say so a lot of the communities

[51:22] we do end up staying on and working with

[51:24] the communities after the comprehensive

[51:26] plan for feasibility studies for sight

[51:29] specific master plans for more detailed

[51:31] analysis of the data that we collected.

[51:33] Uh I'd say that happens probably 70 or

[51:35] 80% of the time.

[51:40] So, we have to have this plan, Matt,

[51:43] ever renewed ever so often to be

[51:46] eligible to apply for grants.

[51:48] >> Yes, sir. The standard is typically 10

[51:50] years, and correct me if I say anything

[51:52] wrong, but typically 10 years. We're

[51:54] just looking a little bit further out.

[51:55] >> Yeah. So, uh, two of the major grants

[51:57] that the state offers, the parks and

[51:59] recreation trust fund and land and water

[52:00] conservation fund. I used to manage

[52:02] those for the state. So, this plan has

[52:04] been developed to help you go after

[52:06] those grant funding. uh it it is a

[52:08] 10-year window um for this plan to

[52:11] actually be eligible for those.

[52:12] Typically, a community will come in

[52:14] later and then actually update it. But

[52:16] yes, this plan will help you over the

[52:17] next 10 years go after grant funding.

[52:22] [clears throat]

[52:22] >> Okay. So, while you were in the midst of

[52:27] this, did you get close enough to our

[52:30] county to know or to see some of the

[52:33] regions instead of just saying inland

[52:36] where some of that land might be of

[52:39] interest for a

[52:42] >> Yeah, there are, if I can bring up on

[52:44] the map, um the zone area one, you're

[52:48] going to have you're having a lot of

[52:49] growth that's happening along the um

[52:52] >> highway that area. Yeah. Highway 50 area

[52:54] and then also Interstate 42 as that's

[52:58] coming through especially around kind of

[52:59] the Newport area and the connecting

[53:01] pieces between that. Um you do the down

[53:04] east community definitely had a lot of

[53:06] expressed need. So I would not put that

[53:08] off. It's just that's going to need to

[53:10] be developed more for local use. The

[53:13] your thoroughares your major highways

[53:15] are going to be where you're going to be

[53:16] able to hit the double benefit of

[53:19] serving the residents plus also

[53:20] attracting visitors. I would the only

[53:23] thing I'd add to that is we actually

[53:24] recommend a feasibility study within it

[53:26] so that you can go in and know you know

[53:28] if you put a certain investment level

[53:30] into a park what your ROI is going to be

[53:32] on that site and how many visitors you

[53:34] may actually be able to attract with

[53:35] that particular park.

[53:38] And just of note, you did make note in

[53:42] the report that of 160,000 acres that we

[53:48] have of Croatan National Forest, 54 of

[53:52] it, 54,000 you said onethird is in

[53:56] Carter County,

[53:57] >> right? Yeah. So, good point. Yes, the

[53:59] Croatan is definitely described within

[54:01] it. We also outline not just that, but

[54:03] other recreational opportunities that

[54:05] are found. Um, and the Croan forest

[54:09] plays a massive role in serving passive

[54:11] recreation, but it doesn't serve all of

[54:13] the need that's out there.

[54:18] » Okay, any further questions?

[54:22] >> We're going to need a motion to adopt

[54:24] the comprehensive park and recreation

[54:26] master plan.

[54:29] >> So moved. Motion by Commissioner Walder.

[54:31] >> Second.

[54:31] >> Seconded by Commissioner Quinn. All in

[54:33] favor?

[54:36] >> All right.

[54:37] >> Have a good evening.

[54:38] >> We'll be in we'll be in touch, I guess.

[54:40] >> And it's worth looking at. So, if you

[54:42] guys can go out and find our agenda

[54:44] package, go look at allund

[54:48] x number of pages of it.

[54:49] >> Don't go nowhere, Ronnie. The main

[54:50] event's coming up right now. [laughter]

[54:53] >> Don't go nowhere.

[54:55] Ne

[54:57] next next is we're going to have

[54:58] discussion about the tennis court needs

[55:00] for the Carter County Public School

[55:02] System. Mr. Richard Pal.

[55:05] >> Thank you, Mr. Chair. I appreciate being

[55:07] referred to as the main event.

[55:08] >> Yeah. [laughter]

[55:11] >> Um so I am here to discuss uh tennis

[55:13] court needs um and advocate for our

[55:15] youth. Um

[55:17] I became an assistant superintendent 9

[55:19] years ago and when I became up to the uh

[55:21] district office at that time we were

[55:23] talking about the need for tennis

[55:24] courts. Um at that time we were also

[55:26] talking about a bond referendum. Um and

[55:29] the the numbers for that bond referendum

[55:30] was uh they were put together in the

[55:32] years of 2016 and 2017. Um but that bond

[55:36] was not voted on until 2020 as you know.

[55:39] Um at that time um we we had CO and um

[55:43] we had a $42 million bond and uh the

[55:46] first two projects that were bid out

[55:48] were not accepted because of the bids

[55:50] were so high. And then uh we went back

[55:51] to the drawing board with our architect

[55:53] and figured out that for the $42 million

[55:55] bond we really needed about $80 million

[55:57] to complete all the projects on the bond

[56:00] list. Um at that time the bond committee

[56:03] decided to concentrate on uh number one

[56:06] safety and number two was capacity of

[56:08] our schools. And so that's what we did.

[56:11] Um right now we're getting down to the

[56:13] end of our bond money. Um we just uh

[56:16] approved the the last project. Um the

[56:19] last major project which will be a

[56:21] renovation at East Carter High School.

[56:23] Um, I originally I was on the agenda

[56:26] tonight to come to you and talk to you

[56:27] about the need and I planned on coming

[56:29] and showing you the slides of how how

[56:31] bad a shape our tennis courts and and

[56:32] even our tracks are in. Um, but that

[56:34] changed on Friday when the bond

[56:36] committee met. Um, we we do have a

[56:39] little bit of money left over um that

[56:41] the the last of the bond money and the

[56:42] bond committee decided to um bid out

[56:45] tennis courts and so we are going to bid

[56:47] out tennis courts. Um we're putting

[56:48] together the package right now for East

[56:51] Carter, West Carter, and Croatan. Um and

[56:54] we're also going to take some alternate

[56:55] bids for our tracks. So um there there's

[56:57] needs for all uh tracks at all three of

[56:59] our schools. We actually have a track at

[57:01] Bro Creek Middle School, but we're going

[57:03] to concentrate on our high schools for

[57:04] now. Um and we're going to uh definitely

[57:07] put the bids out for the tennis courts.

[57:09] So

[57:10] >> any question?

[57:11] >> Thank you, Mr. Per. I think everybody's

[57:13] pleased to hear that we got a couple

[57:14] million dollars going after the tennis

[57:17] courts first and uh the tracks are in

[57:19] horrible shape as well. A lot of

[57:21] settling and uh going to need to be

[57:24] totally redone and what money we have

[57:26] left over or hopefully in the near

[57:28] future we'll be taking the tracks next.

[57:30] >> Right. We may need a need from from you

[57:31] guys for the tracks, but we we feel

[57:33] pretty confident about tennis courts.

[57:35] >> Okay.

[57:36] >> All right. Thank you, Richie.

[57:37] >> Thank you.

[57:37] >> All right. Thank you.

[57:38] >> Okay.

[57:40] Now you can go, Ronnie.

[57:44] >> I didn't want you to miss that.

[57:47] >> All right. Next, we have our items that

[57:49] we moved off of the consent agenda,

[57:51] which is uh item nine and 10, approval

[57:55] of a jail diversion recovery service

[57:57] agreement with Loaves and Fishes. And

[57:59] item 10, approval of a jail diversion

[58:01] recovery service agreement with the

[58:03] Mariam.

[58:05] Is there any discussion?

[58:08] >> Mr. Chairman, thank you. I was it was it

[58:10] was my request to remove those from the

[58:12] consent agenda. Um and the reason for

[58:17] the request, so earlier, as you recall,

[58:19] earlier this month, we had a meeting um

[58:22] with with vendors and the county staff,

[58:26] uh the sheriff's department, health

[58:27] department um to discuss the current

[58:31] contract that we have with a vendor to

[58:33] provide

[58:34] uh mental health, substance abuse

[58:37] treatment.

[58:39] Um, that's been kind of a rocky road

[58:41] since that contract was signed

[58:44] originally.

[58:45] Um, so

[58:49] I would like to see before we sign

[58:51] contracts with two more entities, I

[58:54] would like to see some results or find

[58:56] out um if there's any results or if

[59:00] anything's changed, if we've made any

[59:02] improvements or progress following our

[59:05] meeting earlier this month.

[59:08] uh and then to also uh evaluate the

[59:12] success of the um contract that we have

[59:16] currently and to

[59:20] look at the necessity the actual

[59:21] necessity of signing a contract with two

[59:25] more entities. I don't feel like we're

[59:29] fully utilizing the contract that we

[59:31] have with Southeastern Integrated Care.

[59:35] That's who we currently have a contract

[59:37] with. I don't think we're fully

[59:39] utilizing that contract and we did that

[59:43] in good faith and I feel like before we

[59:47] signed additional contracts with other

[59:51] agencies

[59:52] um

[59:54] we need to evaluate the the real need

[59:56] and necessity for them. These other

[59:58] agencies have been providing a service

[1:00:02] uh to my knowledge. I didn't know about

[1:00:04] it prior but they were providing a

[1:00:06] service without a contract. Uh they were

[1:00:09] operating I think there were some some

[1:00:11] insurance issues which I understand now

[1:00:13] have been resolved but also these are

[1:00:17] nothing against it but these are

[1:00:20] religion-based organizations. I don't

[1:00:22] have a bit of problem with with

[1:00:24] religion-based organizations but the

[1:00:26] county has to be very careful as to how

[1:00:29] we uh conduct business with them. We

[1:00:32] can't just, you know, I encourage

[1:00:35] everybody to go to church and pray and

[1:00:37] whatnot, but there's a time and a place

[1:00:40] and there's and there's a service for

[1:00:42] that. So, we have to be very careful

[1:00:45] about what we do and and how we uh

[1:00:48] interact with with those organizations.

[1:00:52] So, I'm not saying that we don't need

[1:00:54] those uh additional contracts. So, I'm

[1:00:56] just saying I would like to know the

[1:00:58] exact necessity and and a little bit of

[1:01:02] time to to decide if the meeting that we

[1:01:06] had was fruitful, if there's any

[1:01:08] benefits for it from it, if it was

[1:01:10] productive at all. I don't know. I

[1:01:12] haven't got I haven't gotten any reports

[1:01:14] uh one way or the other on that from

[1:01:16] that meeting. So, um, I don't think it's

[1:01:19] a big deal to give it a little bit more

[1:01:21] time till the next meeting or maybe the

[1:01:24] following meeting to make a decision.

[1:01:27] That was the only only point I I wanted

[1:01:30] to make and removing those.

[1:01:33] >> Okay. Well, certainly I respect your

[1:01:35] opinion as always. U, but I don't like

[1:01:39] having all our eggs in one basket. We

[1:01:41] know mental health is a big issue here

[1:01:43] in Carter County and uh the Loaves and

[1:01:47] Fishes folks have been providing a

[1:01:48] service for us. The Mariam Tammy Thomas,

[1:01:51] former deputy sheriff, uh excellent

[1:01:54] individual running an excellent program.

[1:01:56] These people when they go to this jail

[1:01:59] diversion, they are in the custody of

[1:02:01] the sheriff. So really, we shouldn't be

[1:02:03] we should be approving a contract or the

[1:02:05] county manager should be approving a

[1:02:06] contract, but really it's up to our

[1:02:07] sheriff. We have a very fine sheriff,

[1:02:09] John Nyberg, back there in the

[1:02:10] background. Chief Deputy, uh, David

[1:02:14] Clifton. I was getting it out. Uh, David

[1:02:18] Clifton doing an excellent job for us.

[1:02:20] And when people come to our jail and

[1:02:23] it's determined that they have mental

[1:02:24] health issues and maybe a program,

[1:02:27] whether it be a religious program, and I

[1:02:28] think studies show that religious

[1:02:30] programs have a better outcome than some

[1:02:33] of the other programs. I've been told

[1:02:34] that uh those folks once they're

[1:02:38] determined to fit into that uh group

[1:02:40] that can go here to these programs

[1:02:42] instead of being in our overly populated

[1:02:45] jail. You know, we have 160ome people in

[1:02:47] our jail that's designed for 114 people.

[1:02:50] Uh so we have these programs that we can

[1:02:52] place them in the Loaves and Fishes or

[1:02:55] Southeastern or the Marryiam and it

[1:02:57] helps the county out.

[1:02:59] Uh, and we talked about doing this last

[1:03:01] month, and we did find that there was

[1:03:04] some insurance issues. Our great county

[1:03:07] manager and county attorney, Sharon

[1:03:08] Griffin, uh, went over the contracts

[1:03:11] with a fine tooth comb and picked up

[1:03:13] that they didn't have the adequate

[1:03:15] insurance. So, she reached out to them

[1:03:16] and they obtained the insurance. And,

[1:03:19] uh, I feel like we need a multitude of

[1:03:21] services

[1:03:23] at our disposal, not just one. And the

[1:03:25] contract we have with Southeastern

[1:03:28] is not an exclusive contract. We we have

[1:03:30] a contract to send folks there, but it

[1:03:33] doesn't exclude us from having contracts

[1:03:34] with other people to be able to send

[1:03:36] them wherever they might fit best. So, I

[1:03:39] would like to move forward with the

[1:03:40] agreements, but it's up to the rest of

[1:03:43] the commissioners what they say.

[1:03:47] Commissioner Walder, you got an opinion?

[1:03:49] >> I support your position, uh, Chairman. I

[1:03:52] also believe that in the past um we've

[1:03:56] also used multiple opportunities for

[1:03:59] recovery. Miriam's not new to our

[1:04:03] program. We've been using Miriam

[1:04:05] although they are exclusive to women. Um

[1:04:08] I think there is an opportunity for um

[1:04:13] many um recovery programs because I

[1:04:17] don't believe one sizefits-all.

[1:04:21] Commissioner Quinn,

[1:04:25] » I certainly do appreciate um

[1:04:27] Commissioner Shin's request to consider

[1:04:30] and go back over a lot of the uh

[1:04:33] agreements that we have had, but I feel

[1:04:35] that the uh the more I've thought about

[1:04:37] it and the in the meetings that we have

[1:04:39] had previously that we've done that and

[1:04:41] that we've asked um our the other two

[1:04:45] organizations that we've had a long

[1:04:46] relationship with to come up with the

[1:04:49] insurance that they need. We are not in

[1:04:52] breach of any contracts with any of the

[1:04:55] organizations that we have currently

[1:04:56] signed. And again, I I do agree with

[1:05:00] Commissioner Waldruff that it's not a

[1:05:03] one-sizefits-all as far as treatment

[1:05:06] programs are concerned. Some treatment

[1:05:08] facilities, treatment programs, and

[1:05:10] methods of treatment uh are going to be

[1:05:12] more effective for indiv certain

[1:05:14] individuals and not maybe for others. So

[1:05:16] I I I'm for moving forward uh with um of

[1:05:20] these contracts. Thank you.

[1:05:21] >> Thank you, Vice Chairman Mansfield.

[1:05:24] >> I mean, I don't I don't have much many

[1:05:26] thoughts. I mean, I agree with what

[1:05:27] everybody said here tonight, but

[1:05:32] >> have a little bit more time would

[1:05:33] probably help, but I mean, I think

[1:05:36] competition is good. I'm for free

[1:05:37] market. I'm not for government picking

[1:05:39] winners and losers. Uh, Commissioner

[1:05:41] Clark,

[1:05:43] >> I'm uh I think that the key part of the argument is exclusivity and we

[1:05:49] don't have an exclusive as you've

[1:05:50] already mentioned with uh the one that

[1:05:54] we've signed and so I would I would vote

[1:05:57] that we just proceed.

[1:05:59] >> Okay. So, we need to take a vote on that

[1:06:01] or

[1:06:03] >> Yes, if you could take two votes, one on

[1:06:05] loves and fishes and one on the Miriam,

[1:06:08] please.

[1:06:08] >> Okay. Is there a motion to approve the

[1:06:11] contract with Loaves and Fishes for a

[1:06:13] jail diversion recovery service?

[1:06:16] >> Just for the record, Mr. Chairman, I'm

[1:06:18] going to maintain my motion as before to

[1:06:22] uh table the contracts until a further

[1:06:26] meeting to evaluate the necessity.

[1:06:29] >> So, we need to vote on that motion.

[1:06:31] >> You need to see if there's a second in

[1:06:32] the on the motion to table.

[1:06:35] >> Okay. Is there a second to table this?

[1:06:39] Without a second, that motion fails.

[1:06:41] Correct.

[1:06:42] >> That's correct.

[1:06:42] >> All right. So now, do we we need a

[1:06:45] motion to approve a jail diversion

[1:06:47] recovery service agreement with Lowe's

[1:06:48] and Fishes?

[1:06:50] >> So move.

[1:06:51] >> Motion by Commissioner Wald.

[1:06:54] >> Seconded by Commissioner Quinn. All in

[1:06:56] favor?

[1:06:59] Any opposed?

[1:07:01] All right. Next, we need an

[1:07:04] approval of a agreement for jail

[1:07:07] diversion services with the Mariam.

[1:07:10] >> So moved.

[1:07:11] >> Motion by Commissioner Waldrip.

[1:07:13] >> Second.

[1:07:14] >> Seconded by Commissioner Quinn. All in

[1:07:16] favor?

[1:07:18] All right. Motion carries.

[1:07:21] All right.

[1:07:23] We good there?

[1:07:24] >> Yes.

[1:07:26] >> Next is the manager's report.

[1:07:28] >> That's me. I'll be very brief. Thank you

[1:07:30] everyone for being here this evening and

[1:07:33] thank you to our commissioners for all

[1:07:34] the work that they do. Couple of

[1:07:35] announcements in observance of Labor

[1:07:38] Day. Most county offices will be closed

[1:07:41] on Monday, September 7th. It's a little

[1:07:43] late this year and we do wish everyone a

[1:07:46] safe and enjoyable Labor Day weekend.

[1:07:48] Also, um please remember we're getting

[1:07:51] into the month in September that

[1:07:54] unfortunately is the peak of our

[1:07:55] hurricane season. If you've not made

[1:07:58] arrangements in your own household and

[1:08:00] with pets and with anyone that you care

[1:08:03] for, like an elderly parent, um make

[1:08:06] sure to make some plans to be prepared

[1:08:08] for hurricane season and to have um some

[1:08:11] things ready in your household. We all

[1:08:13] remember some of the ones that have come

[1:08:15] through and uh kind of stuck around a

[1:08:17] little longer than we wanted them to.

[1:08:19] So, we want to make sure everyone's

[1:08:20] still keeping that at the front of their

[1:08:22] mind. And maybe if we prepare really

[1:08:25] well, nothing will happen, right?

[1:08:28] >> So, um, anyways, we're hoping, right,

[1:08:32] >> Billy still over there? Yes. Yeah. Okay.

[1:08:34] Um, also, the board of elections are

[1:08:37] recruiting and the and the staff over

[1:08:40] there. We're are recruiting precinct

[1:08:42] officials right now for the November

[1:08:44] general election. This is so important.

[1:08:47] And we have training coming up in

[1:08:48] September.

[1:08:50] Um, precinct officials can either be

[1:08:53] paid or volunteer and you need to

[1:08:55] register um as a Carter County voter

[1:08:58] before you can be a precinct official.

[1:09:01] So, if you're not registered to vote

[1:09:02] here in Carter County, you probably

[1:09:04] can't be a precinct official here. But

[1:09:06] if you're if you are registered here and

[1:09:09] you're interested in serving, please

[1:09:11] call the board of elections to learn

[1:09:13] more about signing up for that. And

[1:09:15] that's all I have unless any of you have

[1:09:16] questions. Thank you. Any questions of

[1:09:19] the manager? All right. Next, we have

[1:09:22] appointments. First one is Carter

[1:09:24] Community College Board of Trustees,

[1:09:26] Cindy Brown. All in favor of Miss Brown.

[1:09:31] Next is the Carter County Buffer Airport

[1:09:33] Authority, myself, James Fwell, Roy

[1:09:37] Graham, Patrick Joyce, and Randall

[1:09:40] Ramsey.

[1:09:40] >> Mr. Chairman, I'll make a motion to

[1:09:41] approve Commissioner Chadwick, Mr.

[1:09:43] Fwell, Mr. Graham, Mr. Joyce, and Mr.

[1:09:45] Ramsey to be reappointed for another

[1:09:47] two-year term.

[1:09:48] >> All right. All in favor of all those

[1:09:49] folks.

[1:09:51] Next, we have Civilian Military

[1:09:53] Community Council, Commissioner Maryanne

[1:09:55] Waldrip.

[1:09:56] >> I'll make a motion to appoint M. Waldrip

[1:09:58] to a perpetual term to the Civilian

[1:10:00] Military Community Council.

[1:10:02] >> All right. All in favor, Commissioner

[1:10:03] Waldrip.

[1:10:05] >> Next, we have Consolidated

[1:10:07] Human Service Board, Dr. Joseph Smith.

[1:10:12] [snorts] All in favor, Mr. Smith.

[1:10:16] Next, we have the Highway 70 corridor

[1:10:18] commissioner, uh, former mayor mayor of

[1:10:20] Morehead City, Jerry Jones. Mr.

[1:10:22] >> Chairman, I'd like to make a motion to

[1:10:24] appoint Mr. Jones as the Highway 42,

[1:10:27] Interstate 42 on the Highway 70 corridor

[1:10:30] commissioner.

[1:10:31] >> All in favor, Mr. Jones.

[1:10:33] Next, we have the Juvenile Crime

[1:10:35] Prevention Council, Jackson Valentine.

[1:10:39] All in favor, Mr. Valentine.

[1:10:44] Next, we have the Carter County Planning

[1:10:46] Board, Michelle Moffett, to a three-year

[1:10:50] term expiring August 17th, 2029. All in

[1:10:54] favor, Miss Moffett.

[1:10:58] Next, we have the Senior Center Advisory

[1:11:01] Board, uh, Shirley Cobb, a reappointment

[1:11:04] to a two-year term. All in favor, Miss

[1:11:07] Cobb.

[1:11:09] Okay, that does it. Next, we have

[1:11:11] commissioner comment.

[1:11:13] Start down there with Mr. Clark.

[1:11:15] Commissioner Clark.

[1:11:16] >> Thank you, Chairman. Um, I'll be brief,

[1:11:19] but I will make u

[1:11:23] I would like to direct to some comments

[1:11:25] that were dear toward us earlier. Um,

[1:11:29] as a followup since we can discuss it in

[1:11:32] this forum, this [clears throat] county

[1:11:34] does not have any contracts and in while

[1:11:38] I'm sitting here, we have no intention

[1:11:41] of getting contracts with any flaw

[1:11:43] camera companies.

[1:11:44] >> I I'm I'm speaking

[1:11:46] >> so they may be on the street. The NC DOT

[1:11:50] has control of streets, but the county,

[1:11:53] you can pull up our our budget and you

[1:11:55] can comb every page and you won't find

[1:11:58] us paying for any flop cameras. So, I

[1:12:01] don't know where you got your

[1:12:02] information and I'm not denying that the

[1:12:04] cameras are there. But this board here

[1:12:07] didn't put them in place because I'm I'm

[1:12:10] as adamant against those kind of things

[1:12:11] as you are.

[1:12:12] >> You're a commissioner. They're all over.

[1:12:14] >> We don't control

[1:12:15] >> uh Excuse me, Commissioner Clark. Sir,

[1:12:18] this this is not a question and answer

[1:12:20] session. So, you're just going to have

[1:12:21] to sit there and listen. And uh the

[1:12:24] commissioners are making their comments

[1:12:25] and then we're going to adjourn the

[1:12:26] meeting.

[1:12:27] >> I'm done.

[1:12:28] >> Go ahead.

[1:12:29] >> Okay. All right. Commissioner Shin,

[1:12:31] >> I'm going refrain from comment this

[1:12:33] evening, sir.

[1:12:34] >> All right. Vice Chairman Mansfield,

[1:12:36] >> I'll yield my time also.

[1:12:38] >> All right. Commissioner Walder,

[1:12:41] >> good evening. Thank you everybody for

[1:12:43] coming out. Good to meet you, Mr. James

[1:12:45] Jones. you were a great uh

[1:12:48] representative for the Marryman um park.

[1:12:52] Um well done.

[1:12:55] >> We hear you loud and clear and I hope

[1:12:57] that you're able to work with our parks

[1:12:59] and wrecks because I think that's really

[1:13:00] the next step is to work with Miss Tina

[1:13:03] Puroy. Um so and we have uh pages and

[1:13:08] pages to comb over for our parks and Rex

[1:13:10] master plan and you certainly can be a

[1:13:12] part of that for uh for your zone. So,

[1:13:15] thank you and thanks for all your

[1:13:17] enthusiasm.

[1:13:18] Um, Mr. Watson, thank you for have been

[1:13:22] here earlier today. Thank you,

[1:13:25] Superintendent,

[1:13:26] uh, for listening to us. Thank you for

[1:13:28] Croitan for stepping up and being a a

[1:13:31] loud voice with Mr. Watson. Um, I think

[1:13:35] we went a long way in trying to get that

[1:13:37] rectified.

[1:13:38] Um,

[1:13:40] thank you, Brian, for always being here

[1:13:42] and speaking, and I appreciate being

[1:13:46] nominated to the Civilian Military

[1:13:48] Community Council.

[1:13:50] >> Thank you.

[1:13:51] Commissioner Wald,

[1:13:52] Commissioner Quinn.

[1:13:53] >> Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Uh, students

[1:13:56] are back at Carter Community College.

[1:13:58] We're glad to welcome them back on

[1:13:59] campus once again. Over [clears throat]

[1:14:01] 1,700 students registered. So, that's

[1:14:04] outstanding number for us. Uh this is my

[1:14:07] 26th year as an employee of Carter

[1:14:09] Community College. I'm very proud of

[1:14:10] that number and very proud of all the

[1:14:12] achievements that uh the college has

[1:14:14] made during that time period. Things are

[1:14:15] looking great on campus. If you're uh in

[1:14:17] the area, please drop by. Um we have our

[1:14:21] women's soccer team that is going to be

[1:14:23] having their first home match next

[1:14:26] Thursday.

[1:14:26] >> September.

[1:14:28] >> Oh, I'm sorry.

[1:14:28] >> September.

[1:14:29] 2nd. September 2nd. Thank you

[1:14:31] very much. That's going to be at Rotary

[1:14:32] Park. So, please come out and support uh

[1:14:35] the women's soccer team. Uh baseball

[1:14:37] players are already on campus. I got a

[1:14:39] few in my class. Um and uh looking

[1:14:42] forward to that upcoming season.

[1:14:46] Uh the the street name changes. I I just

[1:14:49] want to offer my opinion there because

[1:14:51] we had two street name changes that came

[1:14:53] up and we approved one and we and we did

[1:14:55] not approve the second. And the first

[1:14:58] one is pretty obvious. is for a 911

[1:15:02] emergency services issue. Uh a lot of

[1:15:04] confusion as far as mail delivery,

[1:15:06] package delivery, uh and just confusion

[1:15:09] generally for uh the residents in that

[1:15:11] area. And so it made sense to me to

[1:15:13] approve that particular street name

[1:15:15] change. When it came to the second

[1:15:17] street name change, there's not a a

[1:15:20] pressing issue when it comes to uh any

[1:15:22] kind of 911 emergency services issue.

[1:15:25] This is just a request in order to

[1:15:27] change the name uh from one to another.

[1:15:30] And I'm going to kind of go back to what

[1:15:33] Commissioner Chairman uh the chairman uh

[1:15:34] Chadwick said that changing these names

[1:15:38] from our original family names, street

[1:15:41] names, place names, buildings, towns.

[1:15:45] This is going to erase the heritage of

[1:15:47] Carter County, the history of Carter

[1:15:49] County. We've got to hold on to those

[1:15:52] place names. we've got to hold on to

[1:15:54] those family names that are a big part

[1:15:56] of Carter Countyy's heritage because

[1:15:58] that what makes Carter County such a

[1:16:00] great place to live and a great place to

[1:16:02] visit. And so that's that's the reason I

[1:16:03] just wanted to explain that's why I

[1:16:05] supported one change and and not the

[1:16:07] other. And then finally, uh the tins

[1:16:10] courts, I'm so pleased uh that a

[1:16:13] decision has finally been made to build

[1:16:14] those uh tennis courts. Uh I've been an

[1:16:18] advocate for that since I was sworn in

[1:16:20] almost four years ago. really happy to

[1:16:23] see that that change is finally made.

[1:16:25] Coach Shehan is here uh tonight and he

[1:16:28] and I have had a lot of discussions

[1:16:29] about this and really happy to uh see

[1:16:32] that this is going to be a move forward.

[1:16:34] These are much needed facilities.

[1:16:36] Football, baseball, basketball, they get

[1:16:38] all the attention. They bring in all the

[1:16:40] money. U but there are a lot of other

[1:16:42] sports that are outstanding for a large

[1:16:44] number of student athletes that really

[1:16:45] build character. And I'm going to say

[1:16:46] one thing. I did not know that uh coach

[1:16:49] Sheen and Miss Ellen were going to be

[1:16:51] here tonight, but I would love to see

[1:16:54] those tennis courts out at Croatan High

[1:16:56] School named for Coach Jim Shihan. 47

[1:17:01] years of coaching, building student

[1:17:03] athletes, their uh character, building

[1:17:06] the community. I would love to see that

[1:17:09] he is honored for [clears throat] the

[1:17:11] dedication, for the leadership, and for

[1:17:13] the commitment to developing young

[1:17:14] athletes in our community.

[1:17:16] um this would be a great reflection of everything that he has done uh for

[1:17:20] our community, for our students, for our

[1:17:22] schools, for our county. That's all I

[1:17:24] got to say. Thank you.

[1:17:26] >> Thank you, Commissioner

[1:17:28] Quinn. Uh it escaped me a little while

[1:17:31] ago when we were talking about Morris

[1:17:33] Lane. So, I went back and looked at

[1:17:35] Lor's obituary and guess what his

[1:17:38] favorite meal was? Stewed turtle.

[1:17:41] [laughter]

[1:17:43] >> Oh, no. So that's so that's when Jesus

[1:17:46] said, "Chris, do not let the name of the

[1:17:49] road get changed." So So [laughter]

[1:17:52] that's why Commissioner Quinn speaks a

[1:17:55] lot better than I do. But I'm going

[1:17:57] right to the point. The man worked on

[1:18:00] his car. His family lived there. They

[1:18:02] originally from Atlantic. They moved to

[1:18:03] Harker's Island. But I went back and

[1:18:05] read his obituary and his favorite meal

[1:18:08] was stewed turtle. That was just the sun

[1:18:11] just come over me and it was the right

[1:18:12] thing to do. say that's where I stand on

[1:18:14] that.

[1:18:16] The Marman parks, I'm all in favor of

[1:18:18] the Marman parks. I want y'all to get in

[1:18:20] touch with James Fulture with a Sarah

[1:18:22] James Fulture fishing tournament. They

[1:18:25] just helped out North River and uh

[1:18:28] redoing the playground there. They've

[1:18:29] done one at Cape Carter at Eastern Park

[1:18:31] in Smyrna. I want to put you in touch

[1:18:33] with them. They're always looking for a

[1:18:34] project to playground uh to honor Sarah

[1:18:38] James. She had some disability. she

[1:18:40] passed away and they have that fishing

[1:18:41] tournament at Cedar Island to honor her

[1:18:43] and they build playgrounds that are

[1:18:45] handicap accessible and they do mats uh

[1:18:48] and they have wheelchairs that have big

[1:18:50] tires on them so disabled people can get

[1:18:52] to the water but that's a good spot and

[1:18:54] James would be love he would really jump

[1:18:58] right on that I believe so that I'm all

[1:19:02] behind helping out the Marman community

[1:19:04] there almost didn't uh recognize Mr.

[1:19:06] Collins with his white hair there, but

[1:19:08] mine's turned a little white, too. But,

[1:19:10] uh, he's a he's a good fellow. We did

[1:19:12] business together for many years, and

[1:19:14] first class guy. Uh, school starts soon,

[1:19:17] so I want everybody to be careful about

[1:19:19] the buses early mornings. And, uh, you

[1:19:22] know, everybody's going back to school,

[1:19:23] so I want everybody to be safe. And, uh,

[1:19:25] if there's nothing further to come

[1:19:26] before the board, I'll entertain a

[1:19:28] motion to adjurnn.

[1:19:30] >> Motion by uh, Commissioner Walp,

[1:19:32] seconded by Commissioner Shin. All in

[1:19:34] favor? Thank y'all for coming.

Board of Commissioners Meeting - August 17th

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