[0:07] Okay, everybody.

[0:12] July 27th, 2026 at 6:30 exactly.

[0:21] Finance.

[0:25] Randy here.

[0:28] Adrian here.

[0:32] >> Hover

[0:32] >> here. Moingham

[0:34] >> here.

[0:35] >> Nipper

[0:35] >> here. Fredo

[0:37] >> here.

[0:40] >> Shaw

[0:40] >> here.

[0:41] >> Swore

[0:42] >> here. Taylor

[0:43] >> here.

[0:44] >> Wilson

[0:45] >> here.

[0:46] >> Or

[0:46] >> here.

[0:48] I also like to know student rep Justin

[0:52] Jacobs is here today also.

[0:56] Okay. Um, if you'd like, we could stand

[0:58] for the pledge of allegiance. The flag

[0:59] is right over here.

[1:04] » I aliance to the flag of the United

[1:08] States of America and to the republic

[1:11] for which it stands, one nation under

[1:15] God, indivisible, with liberty and

[1:17] justice for all.

[1:28] I'll also announce that our our other

[1:30] student represent

[1:41] agenda.

[1:42] >> Seconded

[1:44] by council person with this discussion.

[1:48] All in favor say I. I

[1:53] >> pass. Thank you.

[1:55] Go right into public comments. Please

[1:58] leave your comments to three minutes and

[2:01] start off with your name and your board

[2:03] or your city.

[2:05] Anybody like to do a public comment?

[2:14] Good evening, city council. Looks like

[2:16] this is a really nice basis. Familiar

[2:18] faces and new ones. My name is Katie

[2:21] Catchman and I'm from Ward 3 and I

[2:25] served on this council with some of you

[2:27] um from 2020 to 2024 and I want to speak

[2:32] in support of reducing the council from

[2:36] 12 seats to six. Like you

[2:42] and I can tell you from experience that

[2:45] more seats did not mean better

[2:47] decisions. It meant longer meetings,

[2:50] group think, and votes that took more

[2:52] coordination to reach the same outcome.

[2:55] A similar group could have reached

[2:56] faster and more informed. And here's the

[3:00] part I saw first hand. This council is

[3:02] part-time. You're putting in evenings

[3:04] after your regular jobs, meeting only a

[3:06] few times a month for a salary that

[3:09] doesn't pay many bills. A council that

[3:11] size with that little dedicated time and

[3:14] no personal staff does not use its extra

[3:17] seats for deeper policy review. It uses

[3:20] them for longer debate on the same

[3:21] questions. 12 people trying to find

[3:24] agreement on a volunteer schedule is

[3:26] slower. Unfortunately, not more

[3:28] thorough. There's also real risk that

[3:30] comes with a body this size. It's large

[3:32] enough to split into competing factions,

[3:35] but way too underresourced to um tax to

[3:40] manage that the way bigger cities do

[3:42] with real committee structures and staff

[3:44] support. I watch coalitions form and

[3:47] shift on issues that have nothing to do

[3:49] with the merits simply because with 12

[3:52] people, there's more room for that kind

[3:54] of maneuvering. Six member council with

[3:56] a clear simple majority threshold would

[3:58] still represent every ward fairly and

[4:01] allow council candidates to show their

[4:02] wards that they're the best candidate

[4:04] when they're running for office.

[4:06] Reducing our council to six seats would

[4:08] not reduce representation. It would char

[4:11] members each carrying

[4:15] hold on.

[4:18] So, council, I just want to end by

[4:20] saying thanks for all you do and I know

[4:23] that you truly care about our city and

[4:25] want to see it succeed. So, I hope that

[4:26] you'll support bringing this to the

[4:28] voters and letting the voters decide.

[4:31] >> Thank you.

[4:41] My name is Patrick Paul. I'm

[4:45] I live in W 4. I've been there for 35

[4:48] years, but I'm here also to encourage

[4:51] you to reduce the size of your city

[4:54] council. I went to both of the community

[4:56] forums that we hosted and thank you all

[4:59] for those that participated. That was

[5:01] very successful and we talked about it

[5:03] there and the majority of the people

[5:05] that presented there were very much in

[5:08] favor or at least leaning towards doing

[5:10] that.

[5:12] Like like Kitty says, there's a lot of

[5:14] research on effective work groups and

[5:18] much of the Eric says, an effective work

[5:21] group is between five and eight people

[5:23] for all the reasons that Katie mentioned

[5:26] and I won't repeat those and there's

[5:27] others. The research is very clear that

[5:30] smaller work groups are far more

[5:33] effective. So I'm clear to you to

[5:35] proceed with uh considering that and

[5:38] hopefully you'll find in your favor city

[5:40] council size. Thank you very much. Thank

[5:43] you.

[5:48] » Third board. And I agree with these two.

[5:52] Um a couple years back, Shauna and I

[5:55] were um helping a lady that was running

[5:58] for a Senate up in Olympia. And I my job

[6:03] was to go to all the council meetings

[6:06] all over the state west coast is what

[6:10] our district was. So from here to Port

[6:13] Angeles to Long View and all that. They

[6:16] all had six people on their council. We

[6:19] have 12 and up until now none of you got

[6:23] along. It was broken in half. Some

[6:26] people couldn't think for themselves and

[6:28] had to have somebody else think for

[6:30] them. And having somebody, you know,

[6:33] having six where there's not all this

[6:36] bickering and backstabbing with you

[6:37] guys, I think would be a lot better to

[6:40] have six.

[6:44] >> Thank you.

[6:45] The other public comment

[6:49] seems I'll close the public comment

[6:51] period and we'll go on to our consent

[6:53] agenda. Council President

[6:58] >> Motion to approve tonight's consent

[6:59] agenda which includes minutes from the

[7:01] July 8th meeting.

[7:04] >> Second

[7:07] by council person. Is there any

[7:08] discussion?

[7:12] » All in favor? I

[7:18] » mayor speak

[7:20] a long here but I'll try

[7:24] first off

[7:27] got a letter here from the department of

[7:29] ecology and I'd just like to read it to

[7:32] I'll try to be quick honorable mayor for

[7:37] city of Aberdine congratulations the

[7:39] Aberdine wastewater treatment plant is

[7:42] receiving in the 2025 wastewater

[7:44] treatment plant outstanding performance

[7:46] award. Approximately 300 wastewater

[7:49] treatment plants statewide. Yours was

[7:51] among the top wastewater treatment plant

[7:53] operations. The 2025 ecology evaluates

[7:57] specific domestic wastewater treatment

[8:00] plant information for individual permit

[8:03] compliance. Your plant is one of the top

[8:05] performers for regularly meeting these

[8:07] urban criteria, including monitoring and

[8:11] data reporting. Ecology acknowledges the

[8:14] exceptional level of effort required to

[8:16] protect water quality and provide this

[8:19] quick service to your community.

[8:22] dedicated and proficient operators are essential

[8:28] to successful plant operations and to

[8:31] protecting the health of Washington's

[8:33] waters. Thank you uh for your continued

[8:37] excellent commitment that's from John

[8:42] Kenny

[8:43] water quality program manager for the

[8:46] state of Washington. I'd like to thank

[8:48] this group for what a wonderful job

[8:51] you're doing. Congratulations.

[9:06] Dear Mrs. Ruth Clemen,

[9:10] the world that we live in is a loud and

[9:12] boisterous place. I recognize that the

[9:14] city of Aberine has received its fair

[9:16] share of critical feedback from

[9:18] stakeholders involved with homelessness

[9:22] uh challenges in the downtown business

[9:24] area. The hard work and efforts by the

[9:26] Aberine Police Department to address

[9:28] these issues to address these issues

[9:30] however do not go unnoticed. I am I am a

[9:35] partner with a law firm Ingrams Alaska

[9:38] Goodwills LLP. Our office is located a

[9:41] block behind city hall on First Street

[9:44] and Kitty Corner from the site of our

[9:47] city's infamous homeless encampment

[9:49] before and after implementation of this

[9:52] camp. We enjoyed many days at night with

[9:54] those dedicating in our lawns, urinating

[9:57] in our bushes,

[9:59] and lighting up their crack in the

[10:02] shadows of our office. No more. We've

[10:05] seen clear, visible, and measurable

[10:07] results. The area around our office and

[10:10] surrounding streets continue to appear

[10:12] safe, clean, and welcoming. Yes, more

[10:15] can be done, but the conditions have

[10:18] improved. Public spaces are enhanced.

[10:20] community concerns do not go unnoticed.

[10:23] These efforts reflect a meaningful

[10:25] commitment to both the public welfare

[10:27] and economic stability of Chief Dale

[10:30] Green and his team. I get it.

[10:32] Homelessness is a complex and sensitive

[10:35] issue that requires a thoughtful balance

[10:37] of compassion, accountability, and

[10:40] collaboration. is encouraging to see the

[10:42] city taking proactive steps towards

[10:45] solutions that support individuals in

[10:48] need while also safeguarding the

[10:49] integrity of our business community.

[10:52] Please extend my sincerest appreciations

[10:55] to Chief Dale Dream, the entire police

[10:57] department, staff and partners involved.

[11:01] Sometimes it takes just a moment like

[11:04] this to acknowledge all the hard work

[11:06] around us and admit that we live and

[11:08] work in a pretty great area. I look

[11:11] forward to seeing continuous progress

[11:13] and appreciate your time and

[11:15] consideration

[11:17] very

[11:20] last going through it. Right. Thank you

[11:23] chief. We appreciate you and thank you

[11:25] Ruth for your hard work.

[11:31] And the rest of this is oh here let's

[11:33] just move on to these. So uh so I have

[11:36] these uh three wonderful little council

[11:40] people that have that have gone out of

[11:42] their way and have have gotten their

[11:45] leadership certificates and uh council

[11:48] president swore got her advanced

[11:50] leadership certificate and they get

[11:52] these by achieving 30 points uh with the

[11:56] association of Washington cities. they

[11:58] have to uh look at videos or go to

[12:02] seminars. there's an assortment of

[12:04] things they could do and then one of

[12:05] them was also to go to

[12:08] their uh the meeting we just had at

[12:11] Spokane their state state meeting and it

[12:13] was a good meeting and so that pushed

[12:17] some of these representatives

[12:19] so they got their certificates and I

[12:21] just wanted to give them their certific

[12:24] What's that?

[12:26] >> Oh, president.

[12:57] the real good commitment of these

[13:00] leaders that they for taking the time to

[13:02] educate themselves and that's very much

[13:04] appreciated.

[13:07] Um, okay with a lot of this that I have

[13:11] something here. Basically, it's just a

[13:13] list of all the committees and things

[13:15] that I did last since the last meeting.

[13:20] The um our radio broadcast that Ruth and

[13:23] I do in the mornings after council

[13:25] meeting, day after went wonderful. It's

[13:29] nice that um since we've been doing the

[13:32] rere since we've been doing the ry has

[13:35] gotten nicer and some of the haters

[13:37] maybe are sleeping in late so they don't

[13:42] I'm sure administrative plans have made

[13:45] all the difference in the world coming

[13:47] and join

[13:49] um let's see I attended the Grace Harbor

[13:53] well I I'm the chairperson for the Grace

[13:55] Harbor Transit Authority they just did

[13:58] to

[14:00] logo that's going to be on the side. And

[14:02] I unfortunately didn't give the young

[14:05] lady's name, but it was there high

[14:08] school student who submitted the artwork

[14:10] and was selected as this event this

[14:13] year. It'll be a 250 250th anniversary

[14:16] logo

[14:18] hardware bus. And I just want you to

[14:20] know that when I was a kid in high

[14:22] school, I entered the same thing and I

[14:28] Let's see.

[14:31] So, uh, downtown right now there is

[14:34] aation

[14:36] right kind of in front of 118, uh, the

[14:40] build build or the maybe someday museum

[14:43] building downtown that the city owns. I

[14:46] plugged in one of our new Christmas

[14:48] decorations down there so people could

[14:50] get just an idea of what it's going to

[14:52] look like. So, those will be going up. I

[14:55] met this also our city electrician and we're figuring

[15:01] out the locations and getting

[15:02] electricity. So, we'll have some really

[15:04] beautiful new decorations just for

[15:06] Christmas. Hopefully, uh we'll have some

[15:09] new shops downtown and speaking of new

[15:11] shops downtown. Um I also attended the

[15:15] ribbon cutting for Dedris downtown

[15:18] Deli. I love their location over in

[15:21] Oakland, but I'm so much happier with

[15:22] them here in Aberine. And I think uh if

[15:25] you haven't been there, they have

[15:27] wonderful food. They're open

[15:30] Tuesday to Friday. Have a chance. It's

[15:32] free kind of limited hours, but their

[15:34] food is really worth it.

[15:38] Let's see. I also attended a award

[15:41] ceremony for business of the quarter

[15:43] from Greater Grace Harbor Incorporated

[15:45] and their lawyer multimedia.

[15:51] That young man has spent so much energy

[15:54] showing our city in such a positive

[15:56] light and he's really welld deserving of

[15:58] that. His wife Amy Emma also are

[16:01] celebrating their 40th anniversary so

[16:03] you see him congratulated.

[16:06] Then on the 17th uh we had our first

[16:10] museum transition committee meeting and

[16:12] I thought that went really well. I was

[16:14] really encouraged to see that the group

[16:17] of people that we have on that committee

[16:20] are all excited and willing to work

[16:22] together and I think I'm going to see

[16:25] good things coming from that that group

[16:27] in future.

[16:31] Okay, that's it. Sweet guys,

[16:34] for the council members, I have seven of

[16:36] these and it's point of order

[16:41] if you want it.

[16:43] They're sticking.

[16:45] Okay, that's the end of my report. Um,

[16:48] so you have

[16:51] council reports now and I guess just the

[16:54] student. Yes, go. I think this is his

[16:57] last name. Correct. Yeah. All right.

[16:59] Just a few things tonight. Um, the free

[17:02] summer lunches are still going on. You

[17:04] can find the dates and times on the

[17:06] Aberine School District Facebook or

[17:08] website. Also, the I high school

[17:10] football went to football camp about two

[17:12] weeks ago in Waci. And currently the

[17:14] cheer team is at cheer camp in Tacoma.

[17:17] Last night they won a banana which only

[17:20] one team wins a banana for being like

[17:22] the most spirited and showing great

[17:24] leadership. Um also later tonight you'll

[17:27] be voting on the reading um regarding

[17:31] city council. I'll share more about

[17:33] that. Um also this is my last council

[17:35] meeting. I want to thank you all for

[17:37] listening to my ideas figuring out how

[17:39] we can bring the youth closer. I also

[17:41] want to thank the citizens of Aberdine.

[17:43] I've enjoyed talking to you to learn

[17:45] about the youth struggles and serving as

[17:47] your representative on Aberine City

[17:49] Council. And some of you may ask what's

[17:51] going on next with me and in two weeks I

[17:53] will be moving to Phoenix, Arizona. Um

[17:57] so yeah, thank you.

[17:59] >> Thank you

[18:02] Council.

[18:08] Um so

[18:10] um on Wednesday I actually had two

[18:13] committee meetings. Uh noon the ethics

[18:16] committee met for the first time. Um and

[18:19] Glender Misky and Lindsay Thur here but

[18:23] um so we met on Wednesday and we'll have

[18:27] something to bring before you later on.

[18:30] Um this is brand new committee so we're

[18:32] still kind of learning the ropes too. So

[18:35] go easy on us. Um and then later after

[18:39] uh in the evening um Justin Jacobs,

[18:42] Michelle Nipper and I met and Deb Wilson

[18:46] and Dev Hodkin had chimed in by email

[18:49] and we went over all of the information

[18:53] that I brought back from Associated

[18:54] Washington City's office on setting up a

[18:57] youth uh council and we created uh the

[19:01] ordinance and changes that you will see

[19:04] later on in the Those we based off of um

[19:09] the city of Ridgefield's youth

[19:10] commission and then made our own changes

[19:13] for things like the size of that

[19:15] council. Um it was important to a few of

[19:18] us that we let the council themselves

[19:21] choose their topic rather than us

[19:22] assigning them one. So we made that

[19:24] change and then also having their

[19:27] president and vice president become our

[19:29] representatives on council. So that's

[19:31] what I was up to this week.

[19:35] Thank you. Any other council reports

[19:43] the

[19:45] harbor council?

[20:01] Uh unfortunately I was not able to

[20:03] attend the three meetings I had last

[20:05] week uh due to unemployment and need to

[20:07] assist my family but I am looking

[20:10] forward to the ENAP meetings this

[20:12] upcoming Monday. We'll be taking a tour

[20:14] around to discuss some potential

[20:16] opportunities. Also coming up next week

[20:19] is the grand opening for the B project

[20:21] down the court. Uh this event is

[20:23] expected to have nearly 600 attendees

[20:26] from all over the world and I'm looking

[20:28] forward to getting a new tour or a tour

[20:29] of the new facility as

[20:34] certificate leadership. I completed

[20:37] those requirements after attending the

[20:39] last conference in March for council

[20:42] leaders and I'm just glad that they were

[20:44] able to slow down long enough to

[20:46] recognize the hard work of myself and of

[20:49] the council members here today. I also

[20:51] want to just take a moment to remind

[20:53] everyone to share the community survey

[20:56] with folks in your network so they can

[20:58] complete it. The more answers we get,

[21:01] the more data we have, the more we can

[21:03] do. Thank you.

[21:05] >> Thank you. Any other chance

[21:15] staff reported by

[21:18] >> Thank you, mayor.

[21:20] Um, one of the things that we've been

[21:22] working hard on is the uh alternative

[21:25] response project. Um, the that one of

[21:29] the things items on the agenda tonight

[21:31] is for approval of the $145,000

[21:34] that we received from AWC

[21:37] um so that we can continue work on this.

[21:39] And um we upped the date um the go live

[21:42] date. We were hoping to make uh to

[21:46] launch the program on October 1. Um our

[21:50] partner CAP is very motivated and they

[21:52] moved it up to September one. So um this

[21:55] will keep us busy through the

[21:56] legislative break. Um as mayor stated,

[21:59] we met for the first time. The museum

[22:01] transition committee met. Um I will be

[22:04] facilitating the conversation and the

[22:06] discussion and the building of the

[22:08] project plan. Um, so if you have any

[22:10] questions, please feel free to reach out

[22:12] to me. As Sydney stated, um, or excuse

[22:15] me, Council President Swore stated, um,

[22:17] the Port of Grace Harbor does have a,

[22:20] um, big event on July 31. I really

[22:23] encourage all of you to be there if you

[22:26] can to show support for this project.

[22:28] is also kind of working in

[22:30] tandem with the US Highway 12 project as

[22:32] well. So, it's a good time to get some

[22:34] facetime with other legislative um

[22:37] elected officials there as well and

[22:39] really get a um there on the

[22:41] international lens. Um and in August I

[22:46] will be at or the second week of August

[22:48] I will be um at a city the statewide

[22:52] city managers conference in Kenowick. So

[22:55] um I will not be available during that

[22:57] time but I think we're still on set on

[22:59] break during that time. So, um, do you

[23:02] have any questions?

[23:04] >> Thank you very much. Hope yes.

[23:06] >> Just going to ask for the T4 expansion,

[23:09] is that a registration only event?

[23:10] Correct.

[23:11] >> Yeah, we I if you want if you haven't

[23:14] registered, I can definitely check with

[23:15] Kayla to make it is more about food than

[23:18] anything else. But if you didn't

[23:20] register and would like to go, we can

[23:22] get Perfect. Okay, I'll let

[23:27] Thank you very much.

[23:31] now director's reports.

[23:35] » Thank you. I just really wanted to thank

[23:37] you and Justin for stepping up. Um it's

[23:40] been an incredible experience having

[23:42] both of you here and having the voice

[23:44] and I I know the school appreciates us.

[23:46] I really we appreciate it. We've learned

[23:48] a lot from you. So I just really want to

[23:50] say I appreciate having your involvement

[23:52] and it makes a difference when you speak

[23:54] up.

[23:56] >> Thank you. any other directors like

[24:00] >> um I'm going to give a quick uh second

[24:02] quarter budget update. Um I did provide

[24:05] a copy for each of you at your spots and

[24:07] I'm just give me a minute if I share my

[24:10] students.

[24:27] Okay, so now we're we're halfway through

[24:29] the year. So we're through the second

[24:31] quarter, so we should be pretty close to

[24:33] um 50% on the we're looking for for

[24:36] revenues and expenditures.

[24:39] We're actually a little bit higher than

[24:40] in both of those categories. So our

[24:42] revenue collections are coming in at 58%

[24:45] for the end of the second quarter. Um

[24:47] part of that is due to we receive a

[24:50] large portion of our property taxes come

[24:52] in in April and May. Uh so that has a

[24:55] little bit to do with that. We're also

[24:57] still up in sales time. So that's also

[24:59] contributing um in we had a the HCA jail

[25:05] re-entry grant was also a large

[25:07] intergovernmental that we received in

[25:09] the first part of the year. Uh we're

[25:11] also a little higher in our

[25:12] expenditures. We're at 54%.

[25:15] And some of this is due to the um delay

[25:19] of the EMS cost allocation change. So,

[25:22] we were still subsidizing EMS out of the

[25:24] general fund for that first quarter of

[25:26] the year. We were able to add $985,000

[25:31] to general fund reserves through the first two quarters of the

[25:34] year.

[25:39] We look at we'll look at some details.

[25:41] So, as I mentioned, um our property

[25:43] taxes is at 59% and that's because we

[25:47] received a word version of that already.

[25:49] sales taxes coming in at 55% and you can

[25:52] see the intergovernmental news about is

[25:56] 167%.

[26:01] I kind of already went through a few of

[26:02] these because I talked about them in the

[26:04] first slide. So this is basically just

[26:06] talking about the uh intergovernmental

[26:09] revenues why those are up and the

[26:11] property tax and then overall general

[26:13] fund is is up for revenues through the

[26:15] works two quarters of the year. uh we

[26:18] are up 12% over revenues from last year.

[26:23] And then on our general fund

[26:24] expenditures, this is just a breakdown

[26:27] of the different types of expenditures

[26:29] in the general fund through the first

[26:30] two quarters.

[26:33] And again, we're breaking down the grant

[26:36] categories in the general fund. And

[26:38] we're coming out at the 54% mark. Again

[26:42] pointing out fire is at 82% currently

[26:44] but that is due to again the delayed ENS

[26:50] increase. So the allocation was delayed

[26:52] as well. Our general fund reserves uh

[26:55] the target for reserves is 90 days and

[26:59] we are currently at 92 days in cash. Um

[27:01] through the first quarter we were not

[27:03] meeting that target. Uh we are meeting

[27:05] that target now mostly due to receipt of

[27:08] our property tax. Um and so we're

[27:11] currently at on net und designated

[27:13] reserves 5.4 million and that does not

[27:16] include any of the um armory money

[27:19] that's excluding all of that money.

[27:23] Uh so our DMS just breaking down our EMS

[27:26] special revenue fund

[27:29] and um again this one's kind of a little

[27:32] bit in the negative right now and that

[27:33] is again because of the delay of the EMS

[27:36] rate increase. So I do think we'll see

[27:38] that come into the positive for the

[27:40] source of um source or use of reserves

[27:44] as we move through the year. It has kind

[27:46] of caught up a little bit in this past

[27:47] quarter. So and then we just break down

[27:50] the utility funds. Um there's a lot of

[27:52] details on here so I I don't want to

[27:54] bore you too much.

[27:59] We're doing we're doing well on our

[28:01] utility funds. And then there's some

[28:04] additional um revenue that are also

[28:07] provided at the back of the packet that

[28:09] have lots of information. So please let

[28:12] me know if you have any questions about

[28:14] any of that and I can answer questions

[28:16] right now too if you have

[28:21] and we are working through um 2027

[28:24] budget right now. We have the worksheets

[28:27] out to the directors. So they're

[28:29] currently retire

[28:31] budget numbers. those will come back to

[28:33] us and then we'll be having a budget

[28:35] workshop with with all of you on

[28:36] September 2nd at so make sure you have

[28:39] that on your calendar and uh you know

[28:41] the last budget workshop was great so

[28:43] we're looking forward to another good

[28:44] one

[28:46] any questions

[28:51] thank you

[28:52] >> thank you

[28:54] any other

[28:59] move on to a presentation we have

[29:02] at Twin Harbor Water Keepers 6.

[29:06] >> Hi. Hi everybody. I'm I'm Lee Hurst. I'm

[29:09] your Twin Harbors water keeper.

[29:11] >> I was really glad to get to Aberdeen

[29:13] tonight because it was 30° cooler

[29:18] where I was

[29:21] um

[29:23] Katie gets that going

[29:27] is

[29:29] >> Yeah. your name again.

[29:31] >> Yes. Lee first.

[29:33] I'm the Twin Harbors Water Keepers.

[29:35] We're a nonprofit. We've worked in Grace

[29:38] Harbor and other wersheds on the

[29:40] southwest coast for the last nine years.

[29:43] And Twin Harbor is one of 300 water

[29:46] keepers all around the world that work

[29:49] for fishable, drinkable, swimmable

[29:51] water.

[29:52] So, in addition, I mostly work in the

[29:55] Shahalis wersheds and I live right on

[29:57] the Shahalis River.

[29:59] Um,

[30:01] yeah. So, I'm I'm thrilled that I was in

[30:04] invited to come tonight and I want to

[30:06] thank Nick Bird for inviting me. Is he

[30:10] here?

[30:10] >> He's online. Okay.

[30:12] >> He is online, so he he'll hear me. Thank

[30:14] you.

[30:15] >> Hi, Nick. Um, so we we have had six or

[30:21] three different two-year grants from the

[30:24] Department of Ecology called public

[30:26] participation grants. And the purpose of

[30:29] these grants is to educate the public

[30:30] about contaminating sites and to

[30:34] encourage people to participate in the

[30:37] cleanup process.

[30:39] Next

[30:41] um and so kind of the the backbone of

[30:45] our work is educating people about the

[30:48] model toxics control act and that's like

[30:51] the state version of super law. Um

[30:57] there's over 14,000 cleanup sites in

[31:01] Washington and about 141 are in Grace

[31:05] Harbor County. Um

[31:08] many of these are are the ones in Grace

[31:11] Harbor County and across the state like

[31:13] they can include small sites like gas

[31:16] stations or you know places where

[31:18] there's been spills. Um, but some of

[31:21] them are large, complicated sites that

[31:24] take years to clean up.

[31:28] And so the goal of Washington's

[31:30] Cleveland law is to protect people and

[31:33] the environment and the animals

[31:36] from contaminants in soil, groundwater,

[31:41] and water and air.

[31:45] Um, so what is a contaminated site? Um,

[31:50] you guys probably know because you have

[31:52] your share of them here, right? Um,

[31:56] you know, in in the nine years that I've

[31:59] been here, I've seen one complicated

[32:02] site get cleaned up, and that was the

[32:05] hungry whale in Westport. Oh, that that

[32:10] site. Are are you guys familiar with

[32:11] that? it it was a gas station

[32:14] convenience store and they had a

[32:16] gasoline tank leak and so it

[32:19] contaminated groundwater and surface

[32:21] water and so they went through the

[32:24] cleanup process which is outlined there

[32:28] um is a series of steps and and the the

[32:33] little orange bubble thing is where the

[32:36] public has an opportunity to comment.

[32:40] And so most cleanups in Washington are

[32:44] cleaned up using this process which

[32:46] includes

[32:48] um a remedial investigation where the

[32:50] site is characterized with samples and

[32:53] so so um I'm just going to mention the proposed wood power plant site. So

[33:00] that that is is not going through this

[33:04] formal cleanup process because the court

[33:06] and the proponents have elected to do

[33:09] the voluntary cleanup process there. And

[33:12] so they still have to achieve the same

[33:16] cleanup standards but but they don't but

[33:19] there's no opportunity for public

[33:21] comment.

[33:23] Whereas at Cosmos Specialty Fibers, you

[33:27] know, the state of Washington now is

[33:29] trying to get the owner

[33:32] to, you know, not only characterize and

[33:35] remove and

[33:37] sample and stabilize the site with all

[33:40] the massive amount of chemicals that are

[33:42] stored there. But they're also, you

[33:46] know, the next big step at that site

[33:48] once it's stabilized is to do a remedial

[33:51] investigation. And that that's a process

[33:53] with sampling that kind of characterizes

[33:57] and maps out where the pollution is

[33:59] because a lot of the stuff there we

[34:02] don't know because it's not fully

[34:04] characterized yet. And so sometimes this

[34:07] process takes 25 years and I lived in

[34:11] Bellingham for most of my life and there

[34:12] was a large um

[34:16] GP had a giant pole mill there that

[34:18] closed and it went through the cleanup

[34:21] process there and it took about 20

[34:23] years.

[34:27] Um and so you know the the reason that

[34:32] there are

[34:34] sever a half dozen or so large

[34:37] complicated sites in Aberine and Opium

[34:41] is that there was there were many

[34:43] facilities that operated before the

[34:45] Clean Water Act. And so then you know

[34:48] there was no law no framework of laws

[34:51] that prohibited discharges into water or

[34:55] soil or ground for seven. So now we have

[34:59] the Clean Water Act and it's illegal to

[35:03] discharge pollution without without a

[35:06] permit, a pollution discharge permit.

[35:12] And so one of my favorite things about

[35:14] this this work, which sounds kind of

[35:16] nuts, is there's a really fascinating

[35:21] um mapping tool

[35:24] that Department of Ecology manages and it's called what's in my

[35:29] neighborhood. And so if you use your

[35:33] search engine and pull up what's in my

[35:36] neighborhood, you get the whole state

[35:38] and you get all these little dots

[35:42] here and and so you can you can go to

[35:45] the dots and click on them and then

[35:49] you'll get the site that you're

[35:51] interested in.

[35:53] So um

[35:56] I think this is Cosmo.

[35:58] >> Yeah.

[35:59] So um so so you can click on that and

[36:02] then you'll get for Cosmo there's a lot

[36:04] of documents you know you'll get 20 that have been written over the years

[36:13] and and so you can look at you know

[36:15] court orders um

[36:18] past legal documents you know lots and

[36:23] lots of reading

[36:25] next

[36:27] um and and So there's a new tool that

[36:31] department of ecology was started to

[36:32] use. It's called the sharp tool and

[36:34] there's a hydrogeeologist staff at

[36:36] ecology who ranks these sites using this

[36:41] tool and it assesses the exposure and

[36:45] the severity of the risk. And so if you

[36:48] open up one of the little dots and look

[36:52] at the documents up in the corner,

[36:55] you'll or on on one of on on the site um

[37:01] one of the main documents there you'll

[37:04] see what the sharp rating is. Next

[37:09] um you know I am very concerned about

[37:13] the site.

[37:15] Um, I have trouble sleeping at night

[37:18] sometimes. I'm so worried about it. You

[37:20] know, I

[37:22] 800,000 gallons of toxic chemicals in

[37:26] leaking tanks

[37:28] right next to the river. And then

[37:30] there's another 1.7 million gallons of

[37:34] stuff in improperly stored tanks and

[37:38] buildings. And um, you know, I think

[37:42] this is an emergency.

[37:45] Thanks.

[37:48] Um, and I go walk on the trail.

[37:52] Does anybody here go walk on that trail?

[37:56] It's Yeah. You know, it's pretty

[37:58] interesting cuz you all know this.

[38:00] There's no power, there's no water,

[38:01] there's no security, there's no nothing

[38:03] out there. And people are stealing wires

[38:07] out there. And and uh and this is the

[38:11] wastewater.

[38:13] and it's supposed to be being airrated

[38:16] as part of the treatment and it's been a

[38:18] couple years since it's been airrated

[38:20] and I'm a paddler. I paddle by the

[38:24] outside of these things and the the the

[38:28] BMS of these walls are eroded

[38:32] and that that worries me. Next,

[38:37] um

[38:39] I don't know if I have time. Let's see.

[38:43] But this is so Department of Ecology

[38:47] issued a legal document last year, an

[38:51] agreed order demanding that the owner

[38:54] conduct a remedial investigation

[38:56] instead. And he has not done that.

[39:01] And and I can provide you guys this a

[39:06] copy of of this agreed order. It's it's

[39:09] really interesting because it shows, you

[39:11] know, the names of all the buildings and

[39:14] these are the primary treatment

[39:16] tank or systems and then here's where

[39:19] the outfall is. Um,

[39:23] and I I didn't know that until I I read

[39:27] the door.

[39:30] Thanks.

[39:33] And this is so and then more recently

[39:36] the EPA came in and did a an analysis

[39:40] and a site evaluation

[39:42] that's called the renewable site

[39:44] evaluation report and and they did a

[39:48] pretty pretty good characterization

[39:51] of where the tanks are and what's in

[39:54] them gaps.

[39:56] Um

[39:58] and and so it's that I spent a whole day

[40:01] reading 118 tanks long. It says there's

[40:07] in addition to the 800,000 gallons of

[40:10] toxic chemicals being stored there, are also 28 tanks containing over

[40:16] 1.7 million gallons of chemicals.

[40:20] Um and the digestive tanks may be over

[40:24] gallons of solid

[40:29] and the possibility of the whole thing.

[40:37] Um I'm sure you guys saw the article by

[40:40] Wayneier

[40:42] the thirst county commissioner. that

[40:45] goes into the daily world and he's a

[40:49] city of Aberine firefighter, right? And

[40:52] I had a meeting with him last week.

[40:56] Um,

[40:57] and as part of our grant, we're we're

[41:01] starting to organize a public meeting

[41:04] about this. And so if if you guys have

[41:08] ideas about who you would like to be on

[41:10] a panel of seven,

[41:13] I hope you'll let me know.

[41:15] next.

[41:17] Um

[41:19] yeah, so this is just the headline you

[41:21] see on the lines that I think this was

[41:23] about two years ago.

[41:26] Um and you know in addition to having

[41:30] public meetings and and producing um

[41:34] gasoline

[41:36] site maps that we put out and we have

[41:39] public meetings and we do presentations

[41:41] um we do tours and so the last couple

[41:46] tours that we've done from tours from

[41:49] the public right away like you know we

[41:51] can't go into hospitals or any of the

[41:53] sites but from blue smooth roads. I find

[41:58] it very concerning that the site is

[41:59] flooding. Even when there's a low tide

[42:03] and that's I think it's because of the

[42:07] but you know having a site that's

[42:09] contaminated

[42:11] flooding is not a good thing.

[42:16] Um and so back to this. So if you click

[42:19] on on one of the little dots on the

[42:22] what's on so this is another

[42:26] um

[42:28] this is what you get to see if you click

[42:31] on the what's in your neighborhood map

[42:34] or the interactive site.

[42:40] I spend a lot of time looking at this. I

[42:42] hope you at least take a look.

[42:47] Um, so if if you click on Cosmos V5

[42:52] Reserve, any one of the sites, you have

[42:54] a little button right here, subscribe to

[42:56] the site.

[42:57] So if you subscribe to the site, you

[43:00] know, they ask the for your email. You

[43:02] can put your email in there and then

[43:04] every time there's an update, you'll get

[43:06] it, which is kind of handy. Um, and then

[43:10] I want to show you it says the D

[43:15] download the site report.

[43:18] It'll give you that star rating

[43:22] about whether the rest of the site is

[43:25] high, medium or low.

[43:29] Yeah,

[43:32] you know, these are some of the other

[43:33] sites that are big complicated sites

[43:35] that are this is this one is in the

[43:38] cleanup process now.

[43:40] Um there's a remedial investigation

[43:43] that's underway

[43:45] and um there was a public meeting

[43:48] about a year ago

[43:51] and um I find it very interesting that

[43:56] during upsets of this plant there was an

[43:59] underground pipe that piped the effluent

[44:03] to Reedi Island

[44:05] to an unlined lagoon.

[44:09] um you know that's just the way things

[44:11] were done before the three moder but

[44:13] that that's not the way things were done

[44:15] now.

[44:16] Yes.

[44:18] Um this this is another site that I find

[44:21] very concerning because

[44:24] nothing has happened here in a really

[44:26] long time

[44:28] and I think we need to to

[44:34] let department of ecology know that we

[44:37] are concerned about these sites and try

[44:41] to push for more cleanup

[44:44] more and faster cleanup. I mean here

[44:47] they sand blasted boats

[44:50] for a long time before the clean water

[44:52] act was which is was common but all the particles zinc copper and things

[45:00] like that that are used in boat paint

[45:02] are in the center there

[45:05] next

[45:07] and then there's the warehouse or sill

[45:09] aine you know this is also undergoing a

[45:11] cleanup process but it's proceeding at a

[45:14] very slow

[45:24] So, um, I had a really good experience

[45:27] with your pollution prevention or your

[45:30] pollution hotline. I was walking by the

[45:33] Avenue by the lock pavilions during a

[45:36] very low tide about 10 days ago and I

[45:39] looked down in is it Joe Creek?

[45:44] Detroit that's right by the Avenue

[45:47] » and the tide was like a minus three foot

[45:51] tide. I looked down and there's a derel

[45:53] vessel in the bottom of the of the creek

[45:57] and so we called

[45:59] >> your guys's hotline and you came the

[46:03] next day and took it out. It was amaz

[46:07] I think it's a shopping cart that was

[46:09] there.

[46:11] Well, well, I you know, to me, shopping

[46:13] carts are not a big deal

[46:16] >> compared to this other shop, but it I

[46:20] really do I really appreciated that you

[46:24] guys took that Darl and Bess and I think

[46:27] I only have one more.

[46:30] Yes. So, um we'd be happy if you guys

[46:34] stayed in touch with us. I'm retiring in

[46:37] a week, but Maya Ronwat is our new water

[46:41] keeper and she's online now.

[46:44] And um

[46:48] so Oh, okay.

[46:51] Yeah. And everybody, thank you guys for

[46:52] letting me come talk.

[46:55] >> You have any question?

[46:59] » I just like a copy of your PowerPoint if

[47:01] you could.

[47:01] >> Yeah.

[47:02] >> Make sure to get that. you can

[47:06] » um

[47:07] >> will it be the process if like Pauly

[47:10] declares like a citywide emergency or

[47:12] the state does like a like a state of

[47:15] emergency type thing? Well, I'm really

[47:17] glad you asked that because I neglected

[47:19] to say so. So, the the um Department of

[47:23] Excology

[47:26] um issued the the thirsty county

[47:29] superior court has issued a an order for

[47:34] them to uh that includes a restraining

[47:37] order that they have to start following

[47:41] the steps of the agreed order that was

[47:43] issued a year ago. And then EPA has also

[47:46] stepped in and according to my

[47:49] understanding and the EPA won't engage

[47:52] with with me for some reason. and they

[47:54] don't answer my questions, but

[47:58] they they've told me that they're giving

[48:02] Richard Basset 6 months to comply with

[48:06] the agreed order. And if he doesn't,

[48:09] then EPA and ecology will go in and

[48:13] either remove or stabilize all those

[48:16] toxic gallons of chemicals.

[48:20] And if if it would be of interest to any

[48:23] of you, I I did a public disclosure

[48:26] request and and and I have all those

[48:29] documents if anyone.

[48:36] » Yes. John,

[48:38] >> wait. What is the city of cosmopolics

[48:41] doing in legislative positions like

[48:43] that?

[48:45] >> I think they're not able to do much. You know,

[48:50] they don't have a fire department. They

[48:54] That's a good question. You know, I I

[48:57] talked to Linda Stringer

[48:59] because I told her that we're organizing

[49:01] this public meeting

[49:04] and she said that she wants to wait

[49:08] because some information is going to

[49:10] come out

[49:12] from ecology and the EPA.

[49:15] And I I don't know what she's talking

[49:18] about. you know that he I don't know if

[49:20] she's actually read those documents that

[49:23] say he has six months to comply

[49:26] but um yeah

[49:29] I can try to find out

[49:31] >> I'm just curious where they are is

[49:33] they're back here.

[49:34] >> Yeah I think they're for you know for a

[49:38] generation. So I I think when we look at

[49:41] it from Aberdine, we need to be well

[49:44] aware of where where Cosmopolis.

[49:47] >> Yeah,

[49:47] >> they seem like they're in the first

[49:49] chair.

[49:51] >> Yeah, I think the EPA andology need to

[49:54] come in and

[49:57] stabilize, you know, but it's going to

[49:59] be very complicated and removing all

[50:02] those chemicals is going to be a major

[50:04] ordeal.

[50:06] >> Thank you. Yeah.

[50:10] Okay.

[50:12] Are the chemicals do they still hold

[50:13] value? Are they

[50:15] >> Well, yes. And well, according to

[50:17] Richard Basset, yes. So, he wants to

[50:19] restart it.

[50:21] And the reason that he's held on to the

[50:24] chemicals is they'd be worth

[50:28] money to him if he was able to restart

[50:30] it. I think the chances of him being

[50:34] able to restart it are almost zero.

[50:38] But, you know, don't take my word for

[50:40] it, you know, because he's under these

[50:42] orders to remove it. And he doesn't have

[50:47] investors

[50:50] and you know, we all see the condition

[50:52] of the place, right?

[50:59] » Yeah. We know that that does affect that

[51:02] there is a pipeline going for our city

[51:04] to those settling funds. Yeah,

[51:07] >> they also said,

[51:08] >> right, that yes, there's the the

[51:10] Woodstay pipe that goes under South Aine

[51:13] three miles. This leaks it's had 17

[51:17] leaks over

[51:19] the last 15 years and Yeah.

[51:25] So, we are going to organize a

[51:27] meeting and maybe um Maya can work with

[51:30] you, Doug or

[51:32] Rick or Nick to see if from

[51:38] or you would I don't know if you'd be

[51:41] interested in being on the panel.

[51:44] Um

[51:47] yeah so we're looking for people to be

[51:49] on the panel and Autran who's the

[51:51] engineer from ecology she'll she'll be

[51:53] on the Wayne for

[51:58] still working on the details for the

[52:00] date but it'll probably be in October

[52:04] >> thank you so much

[52:05] >> thank you.

[52:30] » Oh, that's me.

[52:32] I don't know why I thought. Okay. Wait.

[52:38] Okay, so we met earlier and I have a

[52:42] couple of things to share. Um, the

[52:45] Emergency Preparedness Expo is coming up

[52:48] on Saturday from 10:00 a.m. to 2:00 p.m.

[52:51] It's going to be over at the Olympic

[52:53] Gateway Plaza by Tractor Supply. There's

[52:56] going to be all kinds of stuff going on

[52:57] there. Um, so if you are around, stop by

[53:01] and check that out. Um, and then also

[53:06] National Night Out is coming up on

[53:08] Tuesday, August 4th, and that will run

[53:10] from 5:30 to 7:30. And if anyone is

[53:13] interested in hosting a block party and

[53:16] would like um the police and fire to

[53:19] stop by, then you need to get a hold of

[53:22] Ross Lampy and let him know and then

[53:24] they will make a list for everyone to

[53:26] stop by. Um, last year Deb and I went to

[53:31] um all of the ones in our ward and I

[53:33] highly recommend that to everyone and

[53:35] you can get the list from Ross and he

[53:38] will meet happily share with you and

[53:40] then you can go to all the ones in your

[53:41] ward and and meet all the people that

[53:44] you are serving. Um, for requests, we

[53:49] have

[53:50] a request recommending city council host

[53:53] a public hearing to receive public

[53:55] testimony on the ordinance amending AMC

[53:58] chapter 12.04 to establish new sections

[54:02] related to a temporary alley alley

[54:05] closure program for protection of public

[54:08] health, safety, and welfare. And that is

[54:09] bill number 2609.

[54:13] And I move that we accept this request.

[54:15] Second

[54:16] >> and seconded by council.

[54:19] Is there any discussion on this?

[54:22] All in favor of public hearing.

[54:26] >> I

[54:28] post

[54:32] public hearing. If anybody would like to

[54:35] comment on this request

[54:45] to close the public hearing

[54:46] >> salute second

[54:49] approve this hearing discussion on this

[54:53] all in favor of closing the public

[54:54] hearing

[54:55] >> I

[54:59] thank you.

[55:01] Okay, we have a second reading

[55:03] recommending city council approve the

[55:05] ordinance amending AMC chapter 12.04 to

[55:09] establish new sections related to a

[55:10] temporary alley closure program for

[55:13] protection of public health safety and

[55:14] welfare bill number 2609

[55:17] and then acceptance.

[55:30] All in favor of accepting the second

[55:33] reading recommending city council

[55:35] approve the ordinance amending AMC

[55:37] chapter 12.04 04 to establish new

[55:40] sections related to the temporary

[55:43] closure program for protection of public

[55:46] health, safety and welfare built dash

[55:51] bill 26-09.

[55:54] Say

[55:54] >> I

[55:59] thank you.

[56:12] I was like

[56:15] that was the next reading as the third

[56:18] second.

[56:20] >> Seconded by council person

[56:24] make the second reading the third

[56:26] discussion.

[56:29] All in favor say I.

[56:36] Ramsey,

[56:39] » yes.

[56:40] >> Hodkin,

[56:41] >> yes.

[56:41] >> Hover.

[56:42] >> Yes.

[56:43] >> Moingham,

[56:44] >> yes.

[56:46] >> Fredo,

[56:47] >> yes.

[56:48] >> Rick,

[56:49] >> yes.

[56:50] >> Shaw,

[56:50] >> yes.

[56:53] >> Taylor,

[56:54] >> yes.

[56:54] >> Wilson,

[56:55] >> yes. Motion passes.

[56:57] >> Thank you very much.

[57:01] Next, we have a request recommending

[57:03] city council authorized city

[57:05] administrator to enter into an agreement

[57:06] with the association of Washington

[57:08] Cities approving the acceptance of the

[57:10] funding for the ACT program. And I move

[57:13] that we accept this second

[57:17] by council person.

[57:21] discussion on this

[57:26] request of the city council to the city

[57:29] administrator to agree with the

[57:31] association of Washington cities

[57:33] including the acceptance of the funding

[57:36] for the act program say I

[57:38] >> IO

[57:46] public works with chairperson person

[57:51] were met earlier today.

[57:58] So, let's get into it. First, we have a

[58:00] request recommending the city council to

[58:03] public hearing to receive public

[58:05] testimony

[58:08] section

[58:12] number 26-13.

[58:16] Second. It's

[58:18] >> been second to open the public hearing.

[58:21] Any discussions?

[58:24] All in favor say I.

[58:28] >> Any oppose?

[58:31] 7:28

[58:33] public hearing. Anybody would like to

[58:36] talk and have any comments about our

[58:39] vacant.

[58:46] I'll take motion to close

[58:49] >> second.

[58:50] >> Seconded by council person.

[58:53] Is there any discussion on this?

[58:56] >> All in favor of public say I. I.

[59:09] » All right. Thank you. Uh we've got three

[59:10] reports tonight. The first one is the

[59:12] second reading. So first recommend the

[59:14] city council approved

[59:18] building section

[59:22] bill 26-15

[59:26] second

[59:29] and seconded by council person.

[59:32] Is there any discussion on this?

[59:36] All in favor of accepting their second

[59:38] reading request recommending city

[59:42] council approve approval on the amended

[59:45] vacant city state building section of

[59:48] the municipal code bill number 26-13

[59:53] say I

[1:00:01] » I

[1:00:03] There we go.

[1:00:19] » Is there any discussion?

[1:00:27] » Yes.

[1:00:28] >> Kagan,

[1:00:29] >> yes.

[1:00:31] >> Hover.

[1:00:31] >> Yes. Moingham,

[1:00:32] >> yes.

[1:00:33] >> Member,

[1:00:34] >> yes.

[1:00:34] >> Fredo,

[1:00:35] >> yes.

[1:00:36] >> Bradic,

[1:00:37] >> yes.

[1:00:37] >> Shaw,

[1:00:38] >> yes.

[1:00:39] >> Sword,

[1:00:40] >> yes.

[1:00:40] >> Taylor,

[1:00:41] >> yes.

[1:00:41] >> Wilson,

[1:00:42] >> yes. Motion passes.

[1:00:48] We have a request recommending city

[1:00:50] council approval of the US buildation

[1:00:55] agreement number six

[1:00:59] associates including

[1:01:03] » second by council person. Is there any

[1:01:07] discussion?

[1:01:14] » North

[1:01:19] very rich. Thank you.

[1:01:21] >> Thank you. Any other discussion?

[1:01:25] All in favor request recommending city

[1:01:27] council approvement of the US Highway 12

[1:01:31] rail separation supplemental agreement

[1:01:33] number six with David Evans and

[1:01:35] Associates Incorporated. Say

[1:01:45] » the request recommending approval of H

[1:01:47] Street

[1:01:49] Construction.

[1:01:52] Second

[1:01:54] by counc.

[1:01:57] Any discussion?

[1:02:02] All in favor of request recommending

[1:02:04] group H Street Sanitary sewer

[1:02:06] construction awards say I

[1:02:15] resolutions. Our first one is a request

[1:02:17] recommend

[1:02:19] resolution setting beyond

[1:02:22] proposed location

[1:02:31] number 2026 stat

[1:02:38] by council person. Is there any

[1:02:40] discussion?

[1:02:43] All request recommending approval of

[1:02:46] resolution setting the date for public

[1:02:48] hearings on the proposed vacation of an

[1:02:51] alley driveway within block one of the

[1:02:54] flag Hopkins edition of North Aine

[1:02:57] resolution number 2026-29.

[1:03:01] Say I

[1:03:10] » a second resolution. It's a request to

[1:03:12] recommend approval of the resolution of

[1:03:15] each city and distributed to the street

[1:03:17] closure for spring national events.

[1:03:20] Jesus

[1:03:26] » seconded by council person.

[1:03:35] All in favor of request recommending

[1:03:37] approval resolution and authorizing the

[1:03:39] city administrator to wave street

[1:03:43] advance resolution number 2026-30.

[1:03:46] Say

[1:03:46] >> I

[1:03:50] pass this.

[1:03:54] Okay. Next item is discussion.

[1:04:17] two weeks ago

[1:04:22] to approve the forest fiber franchise

[1:04:25] agreement and it was voted down um

[1:04:28] because there was a lack of information.

[1:04:30] uh because it was voted down now it has

[1:04:32] to start over table we would have been

[1:04:35] able to stop and restart with the

[1:04:38] questions that been answered. So tonight

[1:04:41] we have in we just we couldn't bring it

[1:04:43] forward at the last meeting because we

[1:04:44] didn't have anything on the agenda or

[1:04:46] you guys can ask actual questions of the

[1:04:48] people that are the experts in the

[1:04:50] field. So tonight we have Lisa Marshall

[1:04:54] from Canyon Descent, which is our our

[1:04:56] attorney, uh, who wrote the franchise

[1:04:58] agreement, and Liz Walker from Wireless

[1:05:01] Policy Group, which is the

[1:05:03] representative from Forge Fiber online

[1:05:06] to answer any questions that you might

[1:05:08] have. I know one thing that that

[1:05:10] Councilman Shaw had was he was

[1:05:13] questioning uh the list of the

[1:05:15] infrastructure and I know that they're

[1:05:16] working on that. They told me that

[1:05:17] they're working on that. Part of the

[1:05:19] problem is is they not everything has

[1:05:22] been transferred yet. They don't even I

[1:05:23] don't think they even know exactly what

[1:05:25] they have at this point. They're but

[1:05:27] they're in that process. So, um anyway,

[1:05:30] u Liz and Lisa are available for any

[1:05:32] questions you might have and and please

[1:05:34] take advantage of because they are the

[1:05:37] experts on this and and I am not I did

[1:05:39] not write the fringes agreement. We had

[1:05:40] our our attorney write the fringes

[1:05:42] agreement. So, anyway, thank you.

[1:05:45] >> Anybody have any questions? We also have

[1:05:48] um I don't know if Tiffany Perez is she

[1:05:51] also a representative.

[1:05:59] » Hi I wanted to talk about church. Um

[1:06:06] second we'll come to the second public

[1:06:07] comment period. Okay.

[1:06:10] >> Okay.

[1:06:11] >> Thank you.

[1:06:13] and I want to spend the rest of my life.

[1:06:20] » Well, I Rick mentioned it and uh as I

[1:06:23] brought up last time when we looked at

[1:06:25] it, there were questions uh that came up

[1:06:28] about what the inventory um was, what

[1:06:31] they had, what they didn't have. And I

[1:06:34] think my push was that whatever they say

[1:06:38] they have included in ask them and I

[1:06:41] understand from that they're working on

[1:06:43] creating that be included in the

[1:06:45] contract in the back contract of the

[1:06:47] franchise or if if there is not any then

[1:06:52] that's stated that there isn't any uh

[1:06:55] what I hear is that they're trying to

[1:06:57] find out what they have and that was the

[1:07:00] push that was the caution from my

[1:07:03] discussions with the IT people at the

[1:07:06] PUB was that quite often we have a gray

[1:07:10] area or lack of understanding of what

[1:07:13] exactly is included with franchise

[1:07:15] agreement and it leads to significant

[1:07:18] problems down the road in time and

[1:07:20] money. So as we go forward sounds like

[1:07:23] they are working on creating an

[1:07:24] inventory what was passed down and if

[1:07:28] that all comes together I have no

[1:07:30] difficult

[1:07:40] during this discussion um per Robert's

[1:07:42] rules of order this would need to come

[1:07:45] back by someone who voted no um when

[1:07:48] this was originally brought forward. So

[1:07:50] once we have these answers to these

[1:07:53] questions, just please bear that in

[1:07:55] mind. This cannot be brought back to the

[1:07:57] table for the council to vote on unless

[1:07:59] someone who voted no is going to bring

[1:08:01] it back to the table. side.

[1:08:06] Um, so this conversation with the PUBG

[1:08:10] that

[1:08:12] um

[1:08:15] I I just um a little so the PUB advised

[1:08:19] and like gave you advice to

[1:08:22] >> I took I I read it I read it in depth. I

[1:08:25] asked a few people and I found that the

[1:08:27] people that were expertise on this issue

[1:08:29] or had some expertise that we deal with

[1:08:32] are our friends with the community and I

[1:08:34] sat down and talked to them about things

[1:08:36] that we should look at when they look at

[1:08:38] this topic and it stuck out to me the

[1:08:41] fact that this could you couldn't tell

[1:08:44] from reading this agreement initially

[1:08:46] whether it was a new agreement or

[1:08:48] whether it was a series of transfers.

[1:08:50] That was that was not clear in reading

[1:08:52] the agreement. And then in asking that

[1:08:54] question back to our city attorney, it

[1:08:58] was stated that oh no, there are no

[1:09:00] transfers. This is a they asked for an

[1:09:03] entirely new thing. So just trying to

[1:09:06] avoid the issue of

[1:09:10] what are ghost polls, what are un

[1:09:13] undocumented closets, who

[1:09:17] what assets might go with this

[1:09:19] franchise. Now, as I understand how

[1:09:21] franchise agreements work, and I'm not

[1:09:23] an expert, but I know how to ask the

[1:09:25] question, um

[1:09:28] are if there's no asset or no transfer

[1:09:30] from these previous u agreements that go

[1:09:34] back through

[1:09:35] um these other companies, it's really

[1:09:38] easy to state that in the contract and

[1:09:41] the franchise agreement that this

[1:09:43] reflects no past or existing. And if

[1:09:46] there are past or existing assets, those

[1:09:50] are in the contract so that they

[1:09:51] reflected what we're giving franchise

[1:09:53] for.

[1:09:55] Hope I'm not making it complicated, but

[1:09:58] it was just it's it's a form. It's a

[1:09:59] question of contract.

[1:10:04] » So go back. Yeah, I was really hoping

[1:10:06] that you would bring up what you were

[1:10:08] mentioning during public works about the

[1:10:10] how sometimes to solve this they do

[1:10:13] what's called location the lo the

[1:10:16] locating process we just basically it

[1:10:18] was on basis of the franchise to go out

[1:10:20] and try to find

[1:10:21] >> yeah honestly the people we should be

[1:10:25] talking to are the ones that are

[1:10:26] spending their online

[1:10:29] but yes the uh the lucky process will

[1:10:34] identify where They you know they all

[1:10:38] participate and pay in the service when

[1:10:40] we go out the right way and we want to

[1:10:43] know what's on the ground. We don't call

[1:10:44] the PD call locate service and they come

[1:10:47] out and they locate all the utilities in

[1:10:50] the ground. They they know where they

[1:10:52] know where things are better than than

[1:10:54] or knows where they are. Right. So um

[1:10:58] that's how we locate uh and and it's the

[1:11:01] responsibility of whoever calls that

[1:11:04] locate that's doing that work to ensure

[1:11:06] that we know where the utilities are. Um

[1:11:10] I I don't I'm not even sure we are

[1:11:13] really clear on what drivers buy. So

[1:11:17] there's there's like um you know they're

[1:11:19] not buying all of assets or they're

[1:11:23] buying the end user. they're not buying

[1:11:26] the main buy agreement and I I really

[1:11:29] encourage either Lisa Wolf to give us

[1:11:32] some background of the the franchise

[1:11:34] agreement or Liz to give us some

[1:11:36] background on

[1:11:38] this is not new. They they've gone

[1:11:40] through this process all over the state

[1:11:42] of Washington. He has written a number

[1:11:44] of franchise agreements for other cities

[1:11:46] in the state of Washington as they were

[1:11:48] Cambridge just said which represents a

[1:11:51] lot of different cities. So this is not

[1:11:53] a new agreement. this is the same order

[1:11:56] type of agreement that's been given to

[1:11:58] us. So, um I'm sure that they can answer

[1:12:03] these questions really clearly and uh

[1:12:06] more

[1:12:09] so my question for her would be is this

[1:12:12] something that's usually documented in

[1:12:13] these transfers? We usually have full

[1:12:15] inventory list or is this something

[1:12:17] that's just kind of undocumented?

[1:12:21] Is is it is this unusual that we're

[1:12:23] asking for this type of information just

[1:12:25] a lot more information than we're are we

[1:12:27] asking for

[1:12:30] >> can I respond to that Liz?

[1:12:32] Yeah, and I'm happy to I just want to

[1:12:35] give her a chance to speak

[1:12:36] >> again. I'm Lisa, sorry. I'm Lisa

[1:12:39] Marshall. I'm Alex Kenyon's partner um

[1:12:41] Kenyon Decent and I do a lot of

[1:12:43] franchise agreements. What I would like

[1:12:45] to do is just give you the guard rails,

[1:12:47] what we can ask for, what we can't ask

[1:12:49] for, and then I'm going to turn it over

[1:12:51] to Liz to um answer technical questions

[1:12:55] about the infrastructure itself. Um,

[1:12:57] oftentimes when franchises expire, there

[1:13:01] isn't a real solid understanding of

[1:13:03] where that infrastructure is. That

[1:13:05] infrastructure location comes becomes

[1:13:08] critical when construction is going to

[1:13:10] proceed. So that's when 61 locate is

[1:13:12] called. That's where we figure out where

[1:13:14] the um where the infrastructure is so we

[1:13:16] don't hit it. But it is not normal to

[1:13:19] know exactly where everything is when

[1:13:21] the franchise is drafted or when it's

[1:13:24] executed. We define a franchise area. We

[1:13:27] define the right ofway. And within those

[1:13:29] definitions, we do not engineer the

[1:13:31] location of the infrastructure. That

[1:13:33] said, in all fairness to council member

[1:13:35] Shaw, I do think it's um a legitimate

[1:13:38] question to ask the carrier whether or

[1:13:40] not there is infrastructure on the in

[1:13:42] the ground or not. And if there is no

[1:13:45] infrastructure on the ground, what the

[1:13:47] plan might be. Um, I'll also add that locate um question does come up

[1:13:53] from councils from time to time and this

[1:13:55] is typically the way we answer it and we

[1:13:58] also explain that when construction

[1:13:59] comes um you know when it is imminent

[1:14:03] then we do get all the information we

[1:14:04] need. So I'm going to turn it over to

[1:14:06] Liz at this point.

[1:14:09] >> Okay. Good evening mayor, members of the

[1:14:12] city council. My name is Liz Walker. My

[1:14:14] address is 7436 South Ivy Way in

[1:14:17] Centennial, Colorado. And I'm here

[1:14:20] tonight on behalf of Forged Fiber. Um,

[1:14:22] and I'll just give you an the very brief

[1:14:25] version. Um, and I apologize if I'm

[1:14:28] repeating anything, but Forge Fiber is a

[1:14:30] subsidiary or an entity created by AT&T

[1:14:33] to hold assets that they are purchasing

[1:14:35] from Lumen. Um, and council member Shaw,

[1:14:39] your question um is a good question

[1:14:42] asking about um the the maps and the

[1:14:44] locations of those assets that are being

[1:14:46] purch purchased. And I have requested

[1:14:49] that information and I've been told that

[1:14:52] they're just trying to make sure

[1:14:53] whatever I give over to you is as

[1:14:55] accurate as possible. And so

[1:14:57] unfortunately it's taking a little bit

[1:14:58] longer and I apologize. some um for some

[1:15:02] jurisdictions they've asked for maps and

[1:15:04] I've gotten them right away and been

[1:15:06] able to provide them and um I asked

[1:15:09] again today right before the meeting and it's just they're they're just

[1:15:12] trying to make sure that they that what

[1:15:14] I give you is accurate in terms of the

[1:15:16] location of the fiber that they are

[1:15:18] purchasing. Um just to expand a little

[1:15:21] bit um on on what they're purchasing

[1:15:24] what Forge Fiber is purchasing from

[1:15:26] Lumen um from uh it's technically Lum um

[1:15:31] Lumen AT&T or Forge Fiber is purchasing

[1:15:33] the F2 fiber which starts at the

[1:15:36] neighborhood cross connect and ends at

[1:15:38] the customer premises. So they're taking

[1:15:41] a part of it and then Lumen is keeping

[1:15:44] the part um called the F1 fiber which

[1:15:48] starts at their central office and goes

[1:15:50] to that first cross connect panel. So

[1:15:52] one of the questions that I was asked

[1:15:54] which was a really a question we've had

[1:15:56] before is you know why is it just an

[1:15:58] assignment of of a franchise or or why

[1:16:01] does Forge Fiber need their own and they

[1:16:03] need their own for that reason because

[1:16:05] they're not buying the whole thing

[1:16:06] outright. they're they're buying certain

[1:16:08] a certain portion of the assets. Um so

[1:16:12] and again just a I apologize for not

[1:16:15] having uh the map. Um like I said, it's

[1:16:19] something that we've provided to other

[1:16:20] jurisdictions when asked and what I was

[1:16:23] told today is that they're still um

[1:16:25] reviewing the information to make the

[1:16:27] determination um and just you know vet

[1:16:30] the information I'm giving you so that

[1:16:31] we can have accurate information

[1:16:33] provided. But as soon as I have that um

[1:16:36] I will have that over to um uh Rick uh

[1:16:41] Sanger and um I'll send it to Lisa too

[1:16:43] so that you guys will have that

[1:16:45] information as soon as I get it and I'm

[1:16:47] happy to answer any other questions.

[1:16:51] >> This is John. Thank you very much.

[1:16:53] That's very helpful.

[1:16:57] » Any other questions?

[1:17:02] » Thank Thank you very much. We appreciate

[1:17:03] your time. Thanks for staying up.

[1:17:07] >> No problem.

[1:17:10] >> Happy to.

[1:17:14] » We're still discussing this.

[1:17:16] >> Oh, you want to discuss it?

[1:17:17] >> Yeah.

[1:17:19] >> With with John after

[1:17:22] that we're getting the map.

[1:17:24] Would you be willing to entertain

[1:17:26] bringing it back in?

[1:17:28] >> Oh, I I'm going to have to listen to

[1:17:31] what the proper form is. I I'm assuming

[1:17:34] that they're going to update contracts

[1:17:36] and include the maps.

[1:17:38] >> Yeah.

[1:17:38] >> And as appendices to the contract that

[1:17:41] come in that answers the question, we

[1:17:44] know what we know where we're starting

[1:17:46] from and we find I I'm in no way against

[1:17:52] moving forward. This is just about I

[1:17:56] think an obvious and I think you can

[1:17:58] hear that it's not a comment they have

[1:18:04] since you don't have to vote down

[1:18:08] >> because that I'm happy to do well

[1:18:12] >> we have but we need

[1:18:13] >> a legislative break to get their

[1:18:15] documents in line and then I can help

[1:18:17] John with the proper motion for bringing

[1:18:19] it back in at the end of August. I'm

[1:18:21] just looking at from a business

[1:18:23] standpoint. I'm assuming that what I'm

[1:18:25] hearing is Liz at all is going to come

[1:18:28] up with details that go to Rick and

[1:18:31] Arley Center and be included in an

[1:18:34] update of the franchise agreement that

[1:18:37] then we're all going to be having to

[1:18:39] >> Yeah.

[1:18:41] >> The point I'm coming from is that from

[1:18:42] what I understand that you're not

[1:18:43] worried about what the information is

[1:18:45] going to happen and you're just worried

[1:18:47] more about that the information just

[1:18:48] appears to be. I think in listening to

[1:18:51] some other people having uh having a

[1:18:54] bakery and uh and the absolute

[1:18:57] uncertainty of what the assets are, what

[1:19:00] they're getting, what's on the ground,

[1:19:02] especially right now as I'm we're

[1:19:04] having, you know, we have multiple fiber

[1:19:06] optic links coming through town. We have

[1:19:08] a lot of stuff like this that's going to

[1:19:11] be happening and we really know where

[1:19:13] everybody lives. So, not that not that I

[1:19:15] kind of wanted to undermine it at all,

[1:19:17] but I asked I asked them do they see

[1:19:21] issues and they're very positive. They

[1:19:23] absolutely you got you know we need to

[1:19:25] do this and support it. But it was about

[1:19:28] when we see problems, it's because

[1:19:31] somebody forgot to include somebody.

[1:19:34] didn't know something and it

[1:19:36] takes months and months to sort out uh

[1:19:40] something that could have easily been in

[1:19:42] the contract at the beginning.

[1:19:45] uh who who belonged to what especially

[1:19:47] when I was listening to the full version

[1:19:50] of

[1:19:52] them going from Lumen to another company

[1:19:54] to begin with AT&T and now I understand

[1:19:58] they want to take some of those assets

[1:20:00] into forging vibrant so I really want to

[1:20:03] make sure you understand I'm not

[1:20:04] negative about it I just see it as you

[1:20:07] need to have the inventory or or not or

[1:20:09] an understanding that there is stuff I

[1:20:13] do am I answering Yeah. Yeah.

[1:20:16] >> And I'll do whatever we need to do.

[1:20:21] » Everybody else before legislative break,

[1:20:24] but if it's not necessary

[1:20:28] >> and I doubt that they got a clock going

[1:20:30] on on this course is going to worry

[1:20:32] about whether we're done by August.

[1:20:35] >> I just think we'd be doing a better time

[1:20:37] when are diligence. So we had the

[1:20:41] updated contract on there. It has the

[1:20:43] map with the list of everything or

[1:20:45] something that says we don't have a list

[1:20:47] and here's why.

[1:20:50] >> It just like not having again not trying

[1:20:52] to persuade it at all but like not

[1:20:54] having the franchise agreement just kind

[1:20:56] of limits what they can do right away.

[1:20:58] So um I don't think that will create a

[1:21:01] problem. It sounds like we could wait

[1:21:02] until after the legislative break. Is

[1:21:05] that so? Um I'm not hearing any urgency

[1:21:08] item. This would take three readings,

[1:21:10] right?

[1:21:11] >> I'm sorry.

[1:21:12] >> This approval of the agreement would

[1:21:13] take three readings. Is that right? An

[1:21:16] ordinance, not a resolution.

[1:21:17] >> Mhm.

[1:21:18] >> So, we even if we did the first, it's

[1:21:21] just it's just an agreement. It's just

[1:21:22] one rating.

[1:21:33] » Special committee items. Council

[1:21:35] president.

[1:21:37] I'd like to make a motion to approve the

[1:21:39] first reading of bill 26-14 allowing the

[1:21:42] creation of a youth council.

[1:21:43] >> Seconded

[1:21:48] by council person discussion

[1:22:02] is there any discussion? I just want to

[1:22:04] say I'm looking forward to this and I

[1:22:05] hope that we get applications to really

[1:22:09] build this out and let it be the success

[1:22:11] story.

[1:22:17] » Yes.

[1:22:18] >> I actually was just I I know that Justin

[1:22:20] had some interactions with youth about

[1:22:22] this already and I wanted him to share

[1:22:24] with us what he told me earlier.

[1:22:27] >> Yeah. So, uh, for this council, it

[1:22:31] there'll be like five members and two

[1:22:33] alternates. Um, and it'll be ages, I

[1:22:36] believe, 14 to 20.

[1:22:38] >> Yes.

[1:22:38] Uh, which opens the door to so many

[1:22:41] more people honestly. And I've talked to

[1:22:44] a few of my friends and about three of

[1:22:46] them have interest in joining this

[1:22:48] council. Um, so we'll see if they

[1:22:51] actually do once we get it all moved

[1:22:53] along. But I think this will really

[1:22:56] allow the youth to have more of a voice.

[1:22:59] Um, I know I'm limited and Aiden is

[1:23:01] limited, but when there's five kids

[1:23:03] altogether, stuff can really happen.

[1:23:10] » Okay.

[1:23:10] >> Um, does that include um eighth graders?

[1:23:14] >> Yes.

[1:23:18] Any more discussion? Yeah.

[1:23:24] Um so

[1:23:26] like on the council the youth council um

[1:23:30] there will be a chair and a vice chair.

[1:23:32] The chair will be the main student rep

[1:23:35] and then the vice chair will be the

[1:23:36] alternate student rep.

[1:23:38] >> Yeah. So you won't be chair.

[1:23:44] » All right. See no more discussion. All

[1:23:47] in favor of the first reading request

[1:23:50] foundation recommending the city council

[1:23:53] approve the use

[1:23:59] to approve the use council bill number

[1:24:03] 26-4

[1:24:05] say I

[1:24:07] >> oppose.

[1:24:09] Thank you.

[1:24:11] Next, we have a request recommending the

[1:24:13] city council approved for the mayor to

[1:24:16] appoint two individuals to the library

[1:24:18] board. Accept this request.

[1:24:30] » Is there any discussion?

[1:24:35] » Typically, when you have appointments on

[1:24:37] the agenda, their names are listed. I

[1:24:40] understand that it's in the pocket, but

[1:24:41] you know, I'm off the top of your notes

[1:24:43] on the two meeting.

[1:24:54] » It's uh Beverly Wilkinson and Kaitlyn.

[1:25:17] Hi.

[1:25:26] A motion to approve resolution 2026-28

[1:25:30] submitting a proposed trial for the

[1:25:32] qualified voters of the city for their

[1:25:34] approval or rejection. Approval or

[1:25:36] rejection

[1:25:40] » second.

[1:25:50] All right. Um, so the decision for you

[1:25:53] tonight is likely one of the most

[1:25:54] significant votes that you'll make as

[1:25:57] members on the council. The yes vote

[1:25:59] does not mean does not decide the future

[1:26:01] of the council. It simply gives the

[1:26:03] people to you represent the opportunity

[1:26:05] to decide themselves. This is about

[1:26:07] allowing the residents of Aberine to

[1:26:09] have a voice. As elected officials, your

[1:26:11] role is to represent the community and

[1:26:14] ensure their voice is heard. Voting yes

[1:26:16] allows that process to happen. If this

[1:26:19] measure does not move forward and you

[1:26:21] personally oppose it, I encourage you to

[1:26:23] make your case to the public and explain

[1:26:25] why you believe they should vote no.

[1:26:27] That's how democracy works. Let let the

[1:26:31] voters hear both sides and make their

[1:26:32] final decision.

[1:26:34] Yeah.

[1:26:37] >> Any other discussion?

[1:26:40] Um well I just feel like it was kind of

[1:26:43] something that I would like to discuss

[1:26:45] as a council of which we really haven't

[1:26:48] done before um you know giving it to the

[1:26:51] city to vote on it. I'm a little

[1:26:53] concerned about group think as of as

[1:26:56] opposed to u disagreement within the

[1:26:59] council. I think, you know, more heads

[1:27:01] prevail sometimes with putting in some

[1:27:04] other ideas and, you know, representing,

[1:27:06] you know, the different factions within

[1:27:08] the city. Um, we can let the city vote

[1:27:10] on it, but sometimes their vote is un

[1:27:14] educated. You know, they don't really

[1:27:16] know for sure. They just think it's a,

[1:27:18] you know, a good idea to limit it. But I

[1:27:20] see some cities that have, you know,

[1:27:23] moved into this um particular kind of

[1:27:26] sixperson vote and they get into group

[1:27:28] think and the city kind of just goes one

[1:27:31] direction.

[1:27:33] Um so I would like to discuss it as the

[1:27:35] council and put our, you know, our um

[1:27:38] ideas out there for, you know, for me um

[1:27:42] you know, I've enjoyed my time on

[1:27:44] council. I don't really intend to run

[1:27:45] again, but I like the fact that, you

[1:27:48] know, there's a lot of people that are

[1:27:50] not a lot of people, but more people to

[1:27:52] kind of put their opinions in and to

[1:27:54] share, you know, thoughts and concerns.

[1:27:57] I think we've saved the city some money,

[1:27:59] um, from making some, you know, mistakes

[1:28:02] maybe that we could have made. But, um,

[1:28:04] anyway, that's my thought on it.

[1:28:07] >> Person

[1:28:11] shop.

[1:28:12] >> Yeah. Um, I'd like to speak on this. Um,

[1:28:15] as someone who has been here 38 years,

[1:28:18] and for all 38 years, there's been a

[1:28:20] discussion in Aberdine and Oakland about

[1:28:23] reducing council size for efficiencies

[1:28:25] and different reasons. And I'm I'm told

[1:28:28] by some historically minded friends,

[1:28:31] better suited than I, that it goes back

[1:28:33] 50 to 60 years. We there have been

[1:28:36] various discussions of reduction. This

[1:28:39] isn't to me anything about the current

[1:28:41] council. This is a this is a topic

[1:28:43] that's been going on for quite a while

[1:28:46] during the election campaign and in

[1:28:48] recent years has been discussed

[1:28:49] regularly and I think it really comes

[1:28:52] down to letting this go to the voters.

[1:28:56] We have developed a habit here at the

[1:28:59] city to uh create um new polls to create

[1:29:06] basically we're going to the public all

[1:29:08] the time asking for their opinion on

[1:29:11] everything from what our budget should

[1:29:12] look like to how to what we should be

[1:29:15] prioritizing at the city. And I think um

[1:29:18] I think it is in good form and walking

[1:29:21] the walk to ask the citizens of this

[1:29:25] question that's been out there for a

[1:29:26] long long time. And I think it is a

[1:29:29] mistake to not allow it to go for

[1:29:33] citizens vote. And again I I came into

[1:29:38] this I'm new on the council. I've

[1:29:40] watched this exhibition for a long time.

[1:29:43] And this is just about giving Aberdine a

[1:29:46] chance and the voters to have a say. We

[1:29:49] ask them all the time. We got QR codes

[1:29:52] on the wall when we're asking people how

[1:29:55] we should do things. We can't be afraid

[1:29:58] to let this go to

[1:30:00] >> Thank you.

[1:30:03] Uh, I just want to second what council

[1:30:06] member Shaw was saying and while I was

[1:30:08] campaigning and also just talking to

[1:30:10] people, this has been a topic that comes

[1:30:14] up almost every time I'm talking to

[1:30:16] somebody. Um, the the voters in our city

[1:30:18] care about this topic a lot. And for me,

[1:30:22] it just comes down to letting people

[1:30:24] decide how they want to be represented.

[1:30:27] And I just can't see any reason why we

[1:30:29] wouldn't let people decide the number of

[1:30:31] people they want represented them.

[1:30:33] >> Thank you.

[1:30:41] » Um I have prepared a pretty long

[1:30:44] statement but I'm going to try my best

[1:30:45] to summarize it as most of what I had

[1:30:48] planned to say has already been shared.

[1:30:51] Um but just a couple key elements I want

[1:30:53] to make sure that we are pointing out

[1:30:55] there. Um, this isn't changing the board

[1:30:57] boundaries. This specific proposal

[1:31:00] doesn't shorten anyone's term.

[1:31:02] Most importantly, we are not voting to

[1:31:05] reduce it. We're voting to allow the

[1:31:08] voters to have that decision. Um, I

[1:31:11] think, you know, as a council member,

[1:31:14] you don't have to personally support the

[1:31:16] reduction of council um

[1:31:20] to allow someone else to allow the voter

[1:31:22] to vote. Those are two very different

[1:31:25] decisions.

[1:31:28] I understand there's some legitimate

[1:31:29] arguments for keeping 12. So they

[1:31:32] believe that, you know, two forward

[1:31:34] provides you with some greater access or

[1:31:36] perspectives of the dis. And I I do

[1:31:38] respect that position.

[1:31:40] This choice about representation should

[1:31:42] belong to the voters. Those who voted

[1:31:45] for us and elected us to represent them,

[1:31:48] not those of us sitting up here. That's

[1:31:51] why this has been brought forward. This

[1:31:53] is why I've pushed so hard for it since

[1:31:55] I've been on council and that's why I

[1:31:57] will be voting yes and

[1:32:00] pass this through.

[1:32:02] >> Thank you. Any other discussion?

[1:32:13] like this new idea of it being devoted

[1:32:16] to people,

[1:32:18] but I think the timing is at a very

[1:32:21] stressful point and allows a lot of us

[1:32:23] work really hard to get here. And at the

[1:32:25] end of my four-year term, I would like

[1:32:27] to rewrite to keep those same ideas and

[1:32:31] programs and process that I've been

[1:32:33] doing now for since 2018 is when I

[1:32:35] started.

[1:32:37] And for me, just to hand over everything

[1:32:39] I've worked for and everything that I am

[1:32:42] pushing for is to I still need to go

[1:32:45] bathroom. That was our first

[1:32:47] conversation.

[1:32:50] » That's something we can all agree on. So

[1:32:52] I mean

[1:32:55] I see it's very there's a divide right

[1:32:57] now. If we were a vote right now, it

[1:33:00] would leave it to where

[1:33:03] six people be represented by one. Six

[1:33:06] people

[1:33:08] have no voice in the council. I think

[1:33:11] this is a good time for I think it would

[1:33:14] be a reduction Sunday would be good. But

[1:33:15] now

[1:33:18] it puts too long of a gap where there's

[1:33:20] a huge portion of the vote that was

[1:33:22] recently voted on and we're greed by by

[1:33:24] the people but our voice will be unheard

[1:33:28] for that period until we have a chance

[1:33:30] to run again

[1:33:32] and I think that's unfair that's the

[1:33:34] only thing I that's unfair

[1:33:40] strange catalyst the world

[1:33:44] Um,

[1:33:52] » yeah.

[1:34:02] Is there is there any other

[1:34:06] way?

[1:34:08] >> I was going to say I've been a proponent

[1:34:10] and spoken publicly about drinking the

[1:34:12] council since I was running. I've had

[1:34:14] multiple people come to me as as I was

[1:34:16] campaigning beforehand even even now

[1:34:19] it's just like still this discussion

[1:34:21] continues to come up and come up. So I'm

[1:34:25] putting this to a vote for to the people

[1:34:27] to vote for this.

[1:34:29] My second point just

[1:34:33] » okay that was my second point is all

[1:34:35] sweet council with all of the senior

[1:34:38] members who have been fighting for close

[1:34:40] to a decade now

[1:34:42] it'll be all fresh blood and all the

[1:34:44] things we've been fighting for sweep on

[1:34:46] the road

[1:34:47] and that is being is not fair. It's it's

[1:34:50] not very

[1:34:52] it takes all of our work and all of our

[1:34:54] voice. It's this community.

[1:34:58] It's not they're not voting reducing the

[1:35:00] council. They're voting voice

[1:35:10] and that

[1:35:13] not

[1:35:15] you'll fail as a super majority.

[1:35:28] again.

[1:35:29] >> No.

[1:35:30] >> I have to say no.

[1:35:33] >> Yes.

[1:35:35] >> Nipper.

[1:35:36] >> No.

[1:35:37] >> Fredo,

[1:35:38] >> yes.

[1:35:39] >> Ragic,

[1:35:40] >> yes.

[1:35:40] >> Shaw,

[1:35:41] >> yes.

[1:35:42] >> Swore.

[1:35:43] >> Yes.

[1:35:44] >> Taylor,

[1:35:45] >> no.

[1:35:46] >> Wilson,

[1:35:47] >> yes.

[1:35:48] Motion does not pass with points.

[1:35:53] Go ahead.

[1:35:56] >> The last item on the agenda for special

[1:35:59] committee items

[1:36:01] on the ethics committee findings

[1:36:03] regarding ethics and conduct violation

[1:36:06] complaints. We'll look forward to

[1:36:08] discussing.

[1:36:12] » I suppose it remains here.

[1:36:15] We haven't discussed that. together.

[1:36:20] » There's nothing within the code that

[1:36:21] says that we need to recuse yourself

[1:36:23] discussions.

[1:36:38] » So, are we open for discussion?

[1:36:40] >> Yes, we're open for discussion. Would it

[1:36:43] be better if you find something a little

[1:36:46] shocking or disconcerting to present it

[1:36:48] in a,

[1:36:51] you know, email or letter? I mean, we're

[1:36:52] not supposed to send something out to

[1:36:54] everyone, but rather than just say it,

[1:36:55] you know, in public meeting, but it' be

[1:36:57] better to just share your concerns and

[1:37:01] be emailed.

[1:37:05] » Oh, sure.

[1:37:07] I'm just wondering, you know, if you

[1:37:09] find um something a little shocking or

[1:37:11] disconcerting, would it be better to

[1:37:13] rather than just to say it publicly in

[1:37:15] the in the moment to share it in an

[1:37:18] email or a letter? We've had, you know,

[1:37:21] people do that. So, um

[1:37:26] is that what is that what we prefer?

[1:37:29] I think that would be up to the Are

[1:37:30] >> you talking about this particular issue

[1:37:33] or

[1:37:33] >> Yeah, this particular either this

[1:37:35] particular issue. Would it have been

[1:37:36] more appropriate to share the concern in

[1:37:39] an email or a letter to the council?

[1:37:41] >> My concern?

[1:37:42] >> Yes. Your concern with the fact you know

[1:37:45] that um people were voting against

[1:37:48] people who wanted to volunteer their

[1:37:49] time.

[1:37:50] >> Oh, if I would have calmed down or wrote

[1:37:51] something more eloquently, I see if I

[1:37:53] can defend myself. I wasn't meaning to

[1:37:55] discussing wasn't the word. I just meant

[1:37:57] that I felt it was unnecessary.

[1:38:02] » Yes, it wasn't due to their

[1:38:05] qualifications for the position. It was

[1:38:08] a personal noble in my opinion in my

[1:38:12] opinion.

[1:38:22] » I just I just I felt it was unnecessary.

[1:38:25] There's been a lot of other committees

[1:38:26] where the people that were

[1:38:29] the opposing side has pushed through

[1:38:31] without a single link or non

[1:38:50] as a representative

[1:38:54] It's supposed to be part of something I

[1:38:56] feel and that's why I try to keep it

[1:39:02] as

[1:39:11] saying that express my opinion on what I

[1:39:14] felt was unnecessary but was not a big

[1:39:16] sanction publicly

[1:39:19] lack of

[1:39:22] choice of words and

[1:39:25] I'm sorry.

[1:39:28] >> I'll just I'll just add that my concern

[1:39:31] with the ethics committee was that it

[1:39:33] would be used as you know it would be

[1:39:34] weaponized and and I've seen that I've

[1:39:38] seen that go on and that's disconcerting

[1:39:40] to me. I think it creates a lack of

[1:39:41] trust. So that's my opinion.

[1:39:52] I have every right to vote how I feel on

[1:39:59] the appointments to a thing and I can

[1:40:02] repeat some conversations I had with one

[1:40:04] member uh that we voted for and I don't

[1:40:08] think you would be surprised that I

[1:40:10] voted against them. And if you bothered

[1:40:13] to ask why, you might have found out

[1:40:16] instead of telling me I'm disgusting.

[1:40:20] That's all I have to say.

[1:40:25] I want to ask David. Dave, uh, something

[1:40:27] that catches my ear is our side. You

[1:40:30] explain that because to me that's really an important discussion.

[1:40:36] I don't see any sides and I'm done with

[1:40:41] fine. No, there's no sides. You're

[1:40:44] right. There is. Okay. So, can you tell

[1:40:46] me what you mean by that? It's kind of a

[1:40:49] straight question.

[1:40:51] >> Let's see if we get any physical signs.

[1:40:55] Some of them would be destroyed. Some of

[1:40:56] them wouldn't even though they're

[1:40:57] sitting side by side that show the

[1:40:59] direct compositional sides. It shows

[1:41:02] that there's a

[1:41:04] and that's that's what you're thinking

[1:41:05] when you say our side.

[1:41:10] It's an honest question. I want I want

[1:41:12] to learn because I I'm on here and I

[1:41:15] have I don't have any interest in sink

[1:41:17] sites. I want that to be really funny

[1:41:20] when I share it. I want to know I want

[1:41:22] to know where this is coming from.

[1:41:24] >> John being involved.

[1:41:26] >> Oh, I've been watching this council for

[1:41:28] a while so I think I know.

[1:41:31] And so I offense to to me saying that I

[1:41:34] feel like I'm being targeted by by an

[1:41:37] opposition.

[1:41:39] I'm not part of me. I'm not there's an

[1:41:42] organized group that is targeting me.

[1:41:46] >> I don't feel that way. I mean,

[1:41:48] >> okay, we'll have a discussion. Let's you

[1:41:50] and I get together. We'll have a

[1:41:52] discussion about that in

[1:41:54] I'd like to see if we have something

[1:41:57] going on in this city and in this

[1:41:59] council under this chamber where someone

[1:42:02] feels targeted,

[1:42:04] we have to deal with that. And I'm not

[1:42:07] that that's a serious issue and and

[1:42:09] let's talk about it.

[1:42:12] Okay. It's unfortunate where that that's

[1:42:14] a discussion, but yes, I am bringing

[1:42:17] that to the table. So, why don't you and

[1:42:19] I get together? Get together.

[1:42:22] >> There's

[1:42:24] ever since the rally card

[1:42:38] making a vote to remove our president

[1:42:42] time knowing

[1:42:44] that we do have a post ambassador.

[1:42:47] very similar circumstances to the way

[1:42:49] that the doctors

[1:42:52] can.

[1:42:55] So if there was no as you're saying no

[1:42:58] targeting the three people that were

[1:43:00] picked who ran for that you

[1:43:07] » act thank you

[1:43:09] those three if it was three other ones I

[1:43:11] am darn sure it would have passed with

[1:43:13] no problem

[1:43:15] so you can't tell me that it's not I've

[1:43:18] sat here for many years and I've watched

[1:43:21] it and over and over and over it's

[1:43:24] specific groups specific people and you

[1:43:27] can't deny that

[1:43:30] >> and if you don't see it

[1:43:31] >> well then you have blinders

[1:43:33] >> I got to tell you

[1:43:34] >> I voted for the people that were brought

[1:43:36] forward through the process and that's

[1:43:38] as simple as that and that's how we need

[1:43:41] business and carrying this stuff forward

[1:43:44] you know and basically dropping this

[1:43:46] baggage in front of the safety

[1:43:49] and maybe getting in the way of doing

[1:43:51] the business of the city which is what

[1:43:53] this is

[1:43:55] um concerns me. So, we need to sit down

[1:43:57] and put that stuff away. I agree.

[1:44:01] There can't be a division like that

[1:44:04] going forward.

[1:44:05] >> I I I fully agree with you that there

[1:44:07] shouldn't be a division, but there is.

[1:44:11] >> And and you know, the other side is just

[1:44:12] let's just remember that when we come

[1:44:14] here, this is a nonpartisan.

[1:44:16] >> Absolutely. You know, just remember that

[1:44:19] it's a nonpartisan body and you can you

[1:44:22] are all made up of your personal

[1:44:24] opinions. We understand you're free to

[1:44:27] have those.

[1:44:29] Go ahead.

[1:44:30] >> Sorry. I just wanted to reiterate that

[1:44:32] we all can vote independently how we

[1:44:35] want to vote and as expressed by council

[1:44:38] person Fredo that his reason for voting

[1:44:41] no was specific because he had been

[1:44:43] engaged with one of those people who had

[1:44:46] very negative comments to say in public

[1:44:48] forum. So I can fully understand that if

[1:44:52] I had someone out here who was calling

[1:44:54] me some sort of names or something I'm

[1:44:57] not going to bug them in. Why why would

[1:44:59] I do that? So you're right. You should

[1:45:01] put yours aside. Shouldn't you? Or

[1:45:03] should you not put that negative and

[1:45:06] look at

[1:45:07] >> Yes.

[1:45:11] » Sorry.

[1:45:12] >> I I know this is on me and I want to let

[1:45:17] people know that I in no way intended my

[1:45:21] vote to be political. It was not. I

[1:45:25] looked at what the results might be of

[1:45:29] certain people being on the committee

[1:45:32] and I'm looking at the best outcome for

[1:45:35] the city had nothing to do with none.

[1:45:40] But I must say that when you said that

[1:45:44] people that uh voted no were disgusting,

[1:45:49] it made me think twice about should I

[1:45:52] ever vote against him again?

[1:45:55] you know, should I always wait and hear

[1:45:57] what he's going to vote so that he

[1:45:59] doesn't turn around and they

[1:46:03] >> But I

[1:46:05] that I'm just saying I that was not my

[1:46:08] reasoning. It was not political. I did

[1:46:11] not do anything. I prompted that was not

[1:46:17] security.

[1:46:18] >> So I So first I I would like to say I do

[1:46:22] not believe that Mr. called any bud

[1:46:25] disgusting. He called the action,

[1:46:28] not the people. I've just heard twice

[1:46:31] from two people on the council that they

[1:46:35] took it personal was they were called

[1:46:36] disgusting. That was not the intent. I

[1:46:40] can clearly see that cuz I was sitting

[1:46:42] here. Secondly, we do need to put aside

[1:46:46] our personal feelings, how we feel about

[1:46:50] somebody,

[1:46:51] and vote on the ability for them to do a

[1:46:56] good job, not how we personally feel

[1:47:00] about somebody.

[1:47:02] And and and in my opinion, this is my

[1:47:06] opinion, I believe that that's what Mr.

[1:47:07] Gay was saying.

[1:47:11] I remember more as to not discourage

[1:47:14] people from applying from the position

[1:47:16] of we start trying to pick favors when

[1:47:20] there's only three out. It's not like

[1:47:21] there was an actual vote being presented

[1:47:22] as who was going to win over who who was

[1:47:26] prepared by by choice. It was it was

[1:47:29] just a it was a it was a technicality

[1:47:32] breaking them through because they're

[1:47:33] the only ones that apply and by saying

[1:47:34] no it was just a slap in the face to to

[1:47:38] how things should operate. So,

[1:47:45] » so I I've been waiting to let everyone

[1:47:47] have their their things so that I could

[1:47:50] address some of these um concerns. Um

[1:47:53] when the ethics committee met, we were

[1:47:55] very sensitive to all of these concerns

[1:47:57] and we shared them. We discussed the uh

[1:48:01] fear that had been expressed to we've

[1:48:03] heard previously about the um ethics um

[1:48:07] being weaponized and um and we discussed

[1:48:11] all this at length and the reason that

[1:48:14] we came to the conclusions that we did

[1:48:16] is we found that um a couple of the

[1:48:20] issues were not not supported. Um but

[1:48:23] the tone of voice and um calling

[1:48:28] someone's votes in a derogatory manner

[1:48:30] that that was that was supportive.

[1:48:33] Whether you know you are allowed to

[1:48:35] disagree certainly um but we just felt

[1:48:39] that um by calling somebody's choice of

[1:48:42] votes disgusting that was crossing the

[1:48:45] line of the letter of being professional

[1:48:48] and working in a professional way. That

[1:48:51] was why we came to the decision that we

[1:48:52] did and it was unanimous.

[1:48:56] >> Do you guys

[1:48:59] get to that?

[1:49:02] >> I just wanted to also

[1:49:07] » and we take the vote as a as a council.

[1:49:11] We're not always going to win. It's not

[1:49:13] always going to be the vote that we

[1:49:14] want. Everyone just happened tonight.

[1:49:16] But I was just very happy.

[1:49:18] But as a council, whether we whether

[1:49:22] we're on the winning side or not, we're

[1:49:24] obligated as a council to stand by that

[1:49:26] decision as a group, as a unit, and our

[1:49:30] individual opinions.

[1:49:33] Isn't is that's not the point. The point

[1:49:36] is as a group, we've come together and

[1:49:38] we've made a decision in democracy. That

[1:49:41] decision wins. It doesn't mean that we

[1:49:43] attack people who didn't agree with us.

[1:49:46] That's

[1:49:48] I'm not saying one way is right or the

[1:49:51] other. I'm just saying in a democracy in

[1:49:53] this council

[1:49:56] we make a decision. We as as a group

[1:49:59] have made that decision whether it's the

[1:50:02] one that we chose or not and we must

[1:50:05] stand by it. In the past this council

[1:50:07] has not stood by decision and that was

[1:50:11] completely wrong and unethical.

[1:50:14] moving forward, we need to stand by the

[1:50:16] decision of the council and whatever the

[1:50:18] vote is, we all need to

[1:50:20] swallow whatever anger we have inside

[1:50:23] and stand behind that vote because we

[1:50:25] are a council. We we're we're united and

[1:50:28] we are of course united, but

[1:50:30] individually we're not

[1:50:34] sorry. No, that's my my

[1:50:39] when you were 11, I invoked

[1:50:44] Have I ever feel uncomfortable?

[1:50:53] » I have a couple of comments.

[1:50:54] >> Yes.

[1:50:56] Excuse me. I need to go get to either.

[1:51:01] >> My only

[1:51:03] this is, you know, I feel like this is a

[1:51:05] discussion.

[1:51:07] We're not here to make words and

[1:51:09] discuss, you know, what decisions have

[1:51:11] been getting in the past or how votes

[1:51:13] have gone in the past, how we've acted

[1:51:15] after voting. We're here to talk about

[1:51:18] this one instance. And what this one

[1:51:19] instance comes down to is support,

[1:51:23] an obligation that each of us holds, to

[1:51:26] have disagreements with respect, to

[1:51:28] speak with each other with respect, have

[1:51:31] attack,

[1:51:34] and just a little bit of kindness.

[1:51:37] So

[1:51:39] that that's all I all I have to add to

[1:51:41] that.

[1:51:47] » Go ahead first.

[1:51:51] » I

[1:51:56] Oh gosh. If somebody's yelling at you on

[1:51:58] screen, cursing at you, does your

[1:52:00] personal opinion, what they're saying

[1:52:02] really affect what they're yelling at

[1:52:04] you? Because you can look

[1:52:08] up these people and look at their

[1:52:10] comments about our council or see

[1:52:14] actions and they're not like you know

[1:52:21] from mind

[1:52:26] decision

[1:52:34] process not just kind of

[1:52:41] this wasn't party affiliation

[1:52:48] by the people

[1:52:53] seeing their friend groups

[1:52:56] to make decisions.

[1:53:03] Um I can I say something

[1:53:07] really?

[1:53:08] >> Yeah.

[1:53:08] >> Um

[1:53:10] we spent I Katie uh finance director

[1:53:15] Katie Williamson and I spent many many

[1:53:18] hours um trying to follow reading

[1:53:21] through code um trying to follow

[1:53:24] everything to to a tea because we knew

[1:53:26] how important this was. This is our

[1:53:27] first time dealing with this.

[1:53:30] We spent hours with our attorney getting

[1:53:34] advice, figuring out steps that needed

[1:53:38] to be made, ensuring cross, you know,

[1:53:40] dotting our eyes, crossing our tees, all

[1:53:42] of the things. And the result is

[1:53:45] probably tens of thousands of dollars

[1:53:48] collectively that we spent just handling

[1:53:51] this issue

[1:53:53] because

[1:53:55] of like maybe there was a a way to talk

[1:53:59] about this or to deal with it at a lower

[1:54:01] level. I understand that this is

[1:54:06] this exists

[1:54:08] and that feels disrespectful.

[1:54:12] Um,

[1:54:15] I understand that these rules exist to

[1:54:17] keep people safe and to provide a a

[1:54:19] process and way a procedure for all of

[1:54:22] you to to do this to to to be able to

[1:54:24] air out your grievances. But I just want

[1:54:27] you also to be aware

[1:54:30] of the money that goes and the time that

[1:54:33] pulls her away from the budget process

[1:54:36] handling making sure our payments are

[1:54:38] made, you know, utility bills, all the

[1:54:41] things that go into it. So, I just I

[1:54:43] also want you to be aware I'm not trying

[1:54:45] to discourage you to not pursue this,

[1:54:48] but I just want you to be aware of the

[1:54:50] operational impact to the city that this

[1:54:53] has. So, thank you.

[1:54:57] Oh

[1:55:07] Counc.

[1:55:11] The amount of money and the time

[1:55:14] is nothing if everyone hears sharing

[1:55:16] their voice the way that they should be.

[1:55:18] And accountability is the number one

[1:55:21] thing that we should all be building

[1:55:22] ourselves up to. Whether it's

[1:55:24] accountability to each other,

[1:55:25] accountability to the staff for

[1:55:27] accountability to the people that voted

[1:55:28] us up here and accountability to each

[1:55:31] other comes up real quick when we look

[1:55:33] at the fact that we just approved this. So yes, it might have taken a long

[1:55:37] time this time. Yes, it might have cost

[1:55:39] that much money which never came up in

[1:55:40] our conversations and I wish it had but

[1:55:44] nevertheless

[1:55:46] it's the same thing I I shared with you

[1:55:47] before. I mean accountability is

[1:55:49] everything. So we can't be accountable

[1:55:51] to one another. How can you ever build

[1:55:52] trust? It's not going to be advertised

[1:55:54] to break down this concept of us being

[1:55:56] on two two sides, two teams.

[1:55:59] And I'm not going to sit here and

[1:56:00] pretend like it doesn't exist. But I'm

[1:56:02] also not going to sit here and pretend

[1:56:03] like I haven't spent the last two years

[1:56:05] as council president trying everything I

[1:56:07] can to break that down, trying to get

[1:56:10] people on that other side to have

[1:56:11] conversations with me, to meet with me,

[1:56:14] to read an email and respond to it.

[1:56:18] I can't make you work together.

[1:56:23] So, there's one side or two sides. Maybe

[1:56:26] we should all start looking in the

[1:56:28] mirror.

[1:56:33] » Thank you for the discussion.

[1:56:39] One point if I could, but like I said,

[1:56:41] Josh is upset. Josh since we were young

[1:56:44] boys.

[1:56:46] Josh, when I'm speaking at I honestly

[1:56:47] didn't even know you voted. No, you

[1:56:48] weren't even in my thoughts like even I

[1:56:52] that's why I honestly I hadn't even

[1:56:55] consider you as part of I didn't hear

[1:56:56] you voted and I honestly didn't even

[1:56:59] when I made that statement you weren't

[1:57:01] even in my mind as one of the people at

[1:57:04] all.

[1:57:05] Sorry if you miss I honestly Dr. all of

[1:57:08] those and I didn't even have you already

[1:57:12] process

[1:57:14] I apologize to you

[1:57:17] that would not feel good

[1:57:21] outside you and I got to have a nice hug

[1:57:23] after this I'm sorry

[1:57:30] » for a motion

[1:57:31] >> are we ready for a motion

[1:57:34] there's any more discussion

[1:57:36] >> I'd like to make a motion to approve the

[1:57:38] findings and conclusions of the ethics

[1:57:40] committee specifically that AMC 2.2430

[1:57:45] A12 A and B were not sustained and that

[1:57:49] AMC 2.2430 2430 A12 and P was sustained.

[1:58:00] » Second

[1:58:06] discussion.

[1:58:10] » All in favor say I.

[1:58:12] >> We need to do the house.

[1:58:16] >> Okay. Thank you.

[1:58:18] >> Francancy. Yes,

[1:58:25] » we're voting on sustaining the findings

[1:58:29] of the ethics committee.

[1:58:31] >> Oh, should I even vote yes on this? I

[1:58:33] should learn how to use better language

[1:58:34] than not describing my displeasure.

[1:58:38] » I have to say no because I think I'm

[1:58:41] going to a little bit of a neuter but

[1:58:43] that would be my coverage.

[1:58:45] >> Yes.

[1:58:46] >> Point.

[1:58:47] >> Yes.

[1:58:48] >> Nipper. Yes,

[1:58:49] >> Fredo.

[1:58:50] >> Yes,

[1:58:51] >> Raj.

[1:58:52] >> Yes,

[1:58:52] >> Shaw.

[1:58:53] >> Yes,

[1:58:55] >> Taylor.

[1:58:57] >> Wilson.

[1:58:58] >> Yes.

[1:59:00] Motion passes with 10 yeses of

[1:59:04] >> like to make a motion to approve

[1:59:06] administering the recommended verbal

[1:59:08] admonition under AMC 2.24

[1:59:11] 050D.

[1:59:17] I think we already you already

[1:59:22] second

[1:59:31] to get on

[1:59:37] say no.

[1:59:39] Yes.

[1:59:42] No.

[1:59:51] punishment. I'll say yes, but

[2:00:04] you see there was three clues. Sorry,

[2:00:08] David.

[2:00:11] That's territori.

[2:00:20] » The committee recommends that the

[2:00:22] council approve and deliver the

[2:00:24] following verbal admonishment.

[2:00:27] Council member Gen, the city council

[2:00:29] recognizes that the council members may

[2:00:32] disagree on matters before the council

[2:00:34] and may express differing views

[2:00:36] concerning motions, appointments,

[2:00:38] policies, and other official actions.

[2:00:41] Such disagreements should remain focused

[2:00:43] as coming to the subject issue action

[2:00:48] decision under consideration and should

[2:00:51] not become persevering demeaning towards

[2:00:53] council members who hold a different a

[2:00:56] different view or cast a different vote.

[2:00:59] The council finds that characterizing

[2:01:01] the votes of individual fellow council

[2:01:04] members as disgusting in delivering that

[2:01:07] comment in a confrontational and

[2:01:09] disagreeable tone did not complain the

[2:01:11] personal workplace standards required by

[2:01:15] AMC chapter 2.24.

[2:01:18] Council admonishes you and reminds you

[2:01:21] that disagreement must be expressed with

[2:01:24] professionalism, due respect, and

[2:01:27] civility.

[2:01:38] public comments.

[2:01:50] Is there anybody else in the audience?

[2:02:03] Um, what I was saying earlier, it was

[2:02:05] just what happened.

[2:02:07] This guy has not been here physically in

[2:02:12] how many months? He's been online. He's

[2:02:14] been on Zoom. This is the first time

[2:02:15] I've seen him in forever.

[2:02:18] Um there has been a lot a lot of mint

[2:02:24] and bashing on the internet and that's

[2:02:27] okay. That's you know that's everybody's

[2:02:29] hearing his speech.

[2:02:32] Um but I have brought up to other

[2:02:36] council members why he hasn't been here

[2:02:39] physically because I remember last year

[2:02:42] you guys all got upset cuz Liz missed

[2:02:45] three meetings. Is this word

[2:02:49] physically?

[2:02:52] So just keep that in mind.

[2:02:54] >> Thank you. Before we move on to public

[2:02:56] comments also can make a motion meeting.

[2:02:59] >> I was ready. I'd like to make a motion

[2:03:02] to extend the meeting to no later than

[2:03:03] 9:15 p.m.

[2:03:05] >> Seconded

[2:03:07] by council person. All in favor say I.

[2:03:10] Hi

[2:03:17] to speak.

[2:03:18] So I have to say that this is the

[2:03:22] beginning people

[2:03:27] and I thought oh my gosh I should have

[2:03:29] talked in the beginning

[2:03:31] realiz

[2:03:34] because it didn't make a difference.

[2:03:38] So I I've lived here my whole life. I

[2:03:42] just recently been involved with city

[2:03:44] council and I found out there were 12 of

[2:03:47] you. But I do know one thing life is my

[2:03:52] neighbor. He's on the city council. Wait

[2:03:55] signs. He didn't come in my door. I

[2:03:57] don't even know what he stands for. It's

[2:04:00] because he ran out of the hopes

[2:04:03] and I only had one choice. I'll knock

[2:04:05] out. Don't vote for him. it matter. So

[2:04:09] don't

[2:04:10] I feel that happens a lot in our state.

[2:04:13] I feel there's too many there's not

[2:04:16] enough there's too many positions for

[2:04:18] people

[2:04:21] and what I heard here tonight was my

[2:04:25] mind my voice

[2:04:27] my

[2:04:33] people voted you

[2:04:35] maybe maybe they didn't vote for you but

[2:04:37] you still

[2:04:39] is it takes away the choice of your

[2:04:41] constituents

[2:04:44] because we don't we don't have any

[2:04:46] competition.

[2:04:48] They don't care platforms. We don't have

[2:04:51] to make a decision. Like it just happens

[2:04:53] a lot here. And um and I for me that was

[2:04:58] the main point having fewer people. So

[2:05:02] then I had no choice.

[2:05:04] That's

[2:05:06] so maybe next time it comes to discuss

[2:05:09] again.

[2:05:12] Maybe we'll think about giving the

[2:05:15] people choice to hear the people

[2:05:19] competition.

[2:05:23] See some things besides the name and the

[2:05:26] heart seat that we know nothing about.

[2:05:31] Thank you.

[2:05:40] War. Some of you may know me. Like,

[2:05:42] first of all, thank Mr. Bradley for

[2:05:44] meeting with me the other day. He was my

[2:05:47] opponent that we saw eye on some of the

[2:05:50] things in our board. And

[2:05:55] I think you guys really need to know

[2:05:58] some of this stuff because some of you

[2:06:00] are new to the council and got voted in

[2:06:03] before you. And talking with Mr. Rajie,

[2:06:08] he didn't know that there's a roundabout

[2:06:10] proposed and it's been on in the works

[2:06:13] for a long time and it is part of the

[2:06:18] overpass

[2:06:20] to go over the trains.

[2:06:22] Mr. Rajic also didn't know that our

[2:06:25] award is a there's a small section out

[2:06:29] at Aberdine Lake.

[2:06:32] I think that when people are brought in

[2:06:36] after winning, they need to be updated

[2:06:40] on a lot of this stuff, not just thrown

[2:06:44] in willy-nilly,

[2:06:46] because it's hurting us, the people.

[2:06:50] And you guys, I've been coming to

[2:06:53] meetings, you are my fifth council,

[2:06:57] and you guys have always backstabbed

[2:07:00] each other. I've seen small groups

[2:07:03] ousted people that was on the council

[2:07:06] for years

[2:07:08] and then they got ousted because they

[2:07:11] didn't want them there. They didn't vote

[2:07:13] their way. You guys need to work

[2:07:15] together to help us. I don't know if

[2:07:19] going down in size is going to help, but

[2:07:23] this council I saw it tonight. I haven't

[2:07:26] been here for a while, but you guys are

[2:07:28] doing a little bit better than the last

[2:07:31] counc. I'll give you that. Thank you.

[2:07:35] >> Thank you.

[2:07:37] >> Any other public comments?

[2:07:41] Close public comments. Is there anything

[2:07:43] for the good?

[2:07:48] Want to shout out our public works team?

[2:07:51] I was doing some work around my

[2:07:53] property. called a couple pretty dig

[2:07:55] guys who were out there. They missed the

[2:07:58] water by about 18 in, which I think is

[2:08:00] in the margin of error, but nonetheless,

[2:08:03] I I nicked the line and it was an old

[2:08:05] steel pipe and the public works team,

[2:08:07] the the truck was out there seriously

[2:08:09] within 25 minutes and were ended up

[2:08:12] being a little bit more involved than I

[2:08:13] think they thought, but they were there

[2:08:15] and at least patched the leak and now

[2:08:16] everything's fixed and I have a new well

[2:08:18] the city has new water line that goes to

[2:08:20] my neighborhood. So, just want to shout

[2:08:21] them out because they were great in

[2:08:23] professional and figured they need to

[2:08:26] shout out.

[2:08:28] >> I got one out recently. Um, I reported a

[2:08:33] Sorry. Um, I reported a few weeks back.

[2:08:39] They repaired it.

[2:08:45] Okay.

[2:08:50] All right. Um, so I won't be here for

[2:08:53] August, but I want to challenge all you

[2:08:55] guys during that break to go around and

[2:08:58] talk to at least 15 people in your board

[2:09:00] and come back to the next meeting and

[2:09:03] share what they had to say. I'll join in

[2:09:05] on Zoom and I'll maybe say something,

[2:09:07] but I want to hear what your people in

[2:09:10] your board struggle with, how we can

[2:09:12] help them. So that's kind of a challenge

[2:09:14] I have for you guys during this August

[2:09:16] break.

[2:09:18] any other

[2:09:23] um

[2:09:26] was looking

[2:09:29] in Q.

[2:09:38] necessarily

[2:09:40] don't really need to be

[2:09:44] going outside and breathing air.

[2:09:49] I personally use a filter vent. I take a

[2:09:53] square fan and put on a square duct

[2:09:56] filter that is rated to reduce

[2:10:00] and such air that way

[2:10:04] out the air in the house.

[2:10:11] Good advice.

[2:10:14] I have one little

[2:10:19] saw this. It's like a map of the city.

[2:10:22] It's put on by a company that um they

[2:10:26] sell the advertising, but the map has

[2:10:29] all the highlights that um you'd want to

[2:10:33] go to if you're visiting the city. Ocean

[2:10:36] Shores does something like this. And um

[2:10:38] if it's all right with you guys, I'd

[2:10:40] like to pass this company if they'd come

[2:10:43] and look at our town. And if they'd be

[2:10:46] will it doesn't cost the city anything.

[2:10:49] It's just uh they'll create a map

[2:10:52] that'll have our trails and our bike

[2:10:54] trails and anything our highlighted

[2:10:57] things that we want tourists to be able

[2:10:58] to

[2:11:01] >> they go to the businesses and sell

[2:11:03] advertisements. Then then we have

[2:11:05] something we can give to all of our

[2:11:07] businesses downtown so that they can

[2:11:09] stay here when a tourist asks them

[2:11:11] what's what to do.

[2:11:15] uh as someone who owned a business that

[2:11:18] operated in city of Evergreen that did

[2:11:19] not have a storefront to continue to

[2:11:21] rely on advertising such as a map like

[2:11:24] that. If we pursue this and we go

[2:11:27] forward, I mean this company is then

[2:11:29] contacting businesses in our city asking

[2:11:31] them for advertising space. I cannot

[2:11:34] stress enough the importance behind a

[2:11:36] press release because there are several

[2:11:39] companies like that that are scams and

[2:11:42] then our small business owners are

[2:11:43] paying anywhere from $200 to $600 for an

[2:11:46] advertisement that is then not purchased

[2:11:49] by the municipality or whichever

[2:11:51] business those are to be displayed at.

[2:11:54] So if you do need to do this, please

[2:11:56] consider a press release so that we are

[2:11:58] helping our small businesses and

[2:12:00] operating. Yeah, we we did something

[2:12:02] like this with the bands that are out

[2:12:04] right now throughout the city and that

[2:12:07] company um asked me to do a video so

[2:12:10] that they could send and use it as a

[2:12:12] selling tool. So that showed that we

[2:12:15] were legitimately behind it. So yeah, I

[2:12:18] think a press release is

[2:12:22] » very different from like

[2:12:28] different.

[2:12:32] » Yeah, this this would have five trails

[2:12:35] our lake

[2:12:38] walking trails or parks. That's our

[2:12:41] average doesn't do any of that. They

[2:12:44] just show hard work which is important.

[2:12:51] » Given the times that we're now

[2:12:57] » Yes, we would.

[2:12:59] >> Second.

[2:13:00] >> I didn't There are legal requirements.

[2:13:02] Please let me back up.

[2:13:03] >> Okay. I'd like to make a motion for us

[2:13:05] to go into our executive session

[2:13:07] according to RCW4230.110

[2:13:10] for consideration of second selection or

[2:13:12] application of grant safe purchase

[2:13:15] and likelihood that disclosure within

[2:13:18] price for no more than 30 minutes with

[2:13:20] no action expected after the session.

[2:13:23] >> Second.

[2:13:24] >> All in favor say I. Excuse

[2:13:30] me.

[2:13:32] I need to go through

[2:14:02] probably

[2:14:22] Yes, ma'am.

[2:14:38] Or is that

[2:14:56] stole mine? I stole my

[2:15:08] English.

[2:15:15] We have

[2:15:40] does.

[2:16:01] So I still

[2:16:16] need a like recommendation or reference

[2:16:18] or anything.

[2:16:32] down there.

[2:16:37] Nice.

Regular Aberdeen City Council Meeting 07-22-2026

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