[0:01] Okay.

[0:04] >> All right. Good. Good evening,

[0:05] everybody. Uh oh, and here we have Troy

[0:07] Slade was just asking about you, Mr.

[0:09] Slade. Happy to see you, my brother. Uh,

[0:12] I'd like to welcome everybody to the

[0:14] Alpine City Planning Commission meeting

[0:15] on this Tuesday evening, July 7th, 2026,

[0:20] 6 p.m. Meeting is held at City Hall, 20

[0:22] North Main Street, Alpine, Utah. Let the

[0:24] record reflect that the meeting has been

[0:26] duly publicized and noticed as being and

[0:30] is being legally held according to the

[0:32] uh laws of the state and the ordinance

[0:34] of the city. That being said, let's uh

[0:36] welcome everybody here uh from the city.

[0:39] I know we have Kaden uh Lions with us.

[0:42] Um Carla, I made Carla. Uh Mara Fox, I

[0:47] I'm not sure if I saw Mara. Oh, not here

[0:49] with us. Okay.

[0:50] >> Okay.

[0:52] And so we don't have Mara. don't

[0:54] have Jason. Uh we just well

[0:58] poor Kaden is going to have to deal with

[0:59] us all by himself, but I think he's well

[1:01] up to the task. Okay. And on from

[1:03] planning commission, we have Troy Slade,

[1:05] Michelle Shurmer, John McKay, myself,

[1:07] Alan McDonald, Greg Butter, Greg Grab

[1:11] Gutterfield,

[1:14] >> Greg. But I you know, I just Jeff has

[1:17] got me hurrying so fast and I'm tripping

[1:19] over my tongue. He's making me nervous.

[1:22] >> I know. We've got all right, Greg

[1:24] Burfield.

[1:26] Um,

[1:27] lovely gal just down the road there, Suz

[1:29] Wittenberg and Jeff Davis. Like to

[1:32] welcome you all here. Uh, and and

[1:34] members of the citizens members and

[1:36] citizens of the city of Alpine and

[1:39] guests and applicants, welcome you as

[1:40] well. Uh, that said, oh, we've got a

[1:43] whole bunch of invitations. I'm going to

[1:44] make some invitations here then. Um

[1:47] perhaps if Michelle Shurmer could offer

[1:49] us a prayer and Sue lead us in a pledge

[1:51] of allegiance. Allegiance. Thank you.

[1:56] Fatherful

[1:59] opportunity to be here tonight to um

[2:04] enjoy as we enjoy the benefits of Alpine

[2:06] and look to continue to um provide a

[2:11] great atmosphere for families and for us

[2:13] to live and enjoy. We're grateful for

[2:16] thy blessings. We're grateful for this

[2:17] country and all of its blessings and

[2:20] opportunities. Say this in the name of

[2:22] thy son Jesus Christ. Amen.

[2:24] >> Amen.

[2:32] To the flag of the United States of

[2:34] America and to the stands nationy

[2:42] andice for all.

[2:45] Okay, Michelle and Suz, thank you very

[2:48] much for that on such short notice. Um,

[2:51] okay, reports and presentations. Uh, we

[2:54] show none. Has that changed at all?

[2:56] Okay, any reports, presentations from uh

[3:00] anybody on the commission? Okay, let's

[3:03] move right to uh action items. Uh, and

[3:06] we've got just got one on the agenda

[3:08] tonight is review of the 512 commercial

[3:11] site plan. So, um I assume that we've

[3:14] probably got some folks here for that.

[3:16] Okay. May have you come up. We'll see.

[3:19] We'll actually have Sorry, I just want

[3:20] to make sure we had somebody here. Um

[3:22] didn't mean to keep you on the edge of

[3:24] your seat there, my friend. Uh [snorts]

[3:26] Kaden, if you could introduce this for

[3:28] us.

[3:29] >> All right. So, yeah, just one item

[3:31] today, which is great, and it's already

[3:32] been through the commission once, so

[3:34] hopefully that will make it even faster.

[3:36] Um, so just as a reminder, this is the

[3:38] 512 commercial site plan which is

[3:40] proposed for 168 South Main Street and

[3:44] it's to support their it's a new

[3:45] commercial building or addition for

[3:47] their building that's currently there.

[3:48] That's uh that is to support their

[3:50] ongoing operational needs and provide

[3:53] more space for their nonprofit ventures.

[3:55] Um, just as a reminder down here you can

[3:57] see that what they do is they are hoping

[4:00] to help feed children that go home

[4:02] hungry on the weekends and um and just

[4:06] aid those students in need so that uh

[4:08] kids are are fed. Um so really a great

[4:11] thing. Um, so the last time we looked at

[4:14] this uh was on June 2nd and there was

[4:17] some requests from the planning

[4:19] commission to update their building

[4:21] design to try to meet the historic

[4:23] gateway design guidelines uh more fully

[4:25] and so that was that's what the

[4:27] applicant has sought to do. Um they've

[4:29] provided a site plan that overall meets

[4:31] the code requirements. Um the building

[4:33] takes on an industrial look with dark

[4:35] brick and black metal trims and accents

[4:37] to complement the main material. the

[4:40] landscaping requirement of 20% is is

[4:42] being met. And I say on here, uh, they

[4:45] might fall out of compliance when they

[4:47] build their new building. Um, since I

[4:49] sent this packet out, they've actually

[4:51] sent an updated, uh, landscape plan to

[4:53] me, which I'll show today. Um, and I

[4:56] think that they're showing that now they

[4:58] will meet that requirement even after

[5:00] the building is is built with no

[5:02] question. Um, so that's great. Um, there

[5:05] is a water tank proposed for the site.

[5:09] um which will need to be evaluated for

[5:11] compliance at a later date um because it

[5:14] might be considered an accessory

[5:15] structure in the front setback. Um so at

[5:19] this time we're just saying that they

[5:20] should put call that the future proposed

[5:22] water tank. Um I don't think we get many

[5:25] proposals for those on on commercial

[5:27] site plans. So uh it's something we need

[5:29] to evaluate further.

[5:31] >> Yeah, for sure about it. real quick,

[5:32] give us some guidance because uh I've

[5:34] been on the planning commission here

[5:36] almost a decade and this is the first

[5:38] water tower

[5:39] >> I've ever seen come through. Um so I

[5:41] don't I don't I don't quite know how we

[5:43] handle that today. So let's assume that

[5:45] uh because we don't exactly know how to

[5:48] handle that today. Uh suggestions from

[5:50] the city on what we do with that.

[5:53] >> Yeah.

[5:54] >> Assuming let's just assume

[5:55] hypothetically that that all other

[5:57] aspects of the application meet uh

[6:00] ordinance.

[6:02] Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. And I would say,

[6:04] yeah, I've talked to our city

[6:05] administrator about it and I think he

[6:07] was a little unsure as well. So, um I

[6:10] think the commission can recommend to

[6:12] have that removed from the site if they

[6:13] wanted to or just we have it here is

[6:16] that they should label it as a future

[6:18] proposed water tank. Um it's I think

[6:20] it's labeled currently as proposed water

[6:22] tank. Usually adding the word future to

[6:24] a site plan shows that it's definitely

[6:26] not under consideration at this time and

[6:28] will be considered at a later date.

[6:30] >> So, So what would be the process if

[6:34] >> if applicants for example, not saying

[6:38] this would happen or would have to

[6:40] happen, but if applicants removed that

[6:43] uh today or agreed to to remove that and

[6:46] a recommendation went through

[6:49] SANS, the water tower,

[6:52] >> if if that was something that wanted to

[6:54] be proposed and built at a later time,

[6:56] could it be?

[6:58] >> I Yeah, I would say they could. It would

[7:00] just be like any other accessory

[7:01] structure proposed for a site.

[7:04] >> And there's another building for the

[7:05] family office coming down the pike at

[7:07] some future point as well, right?

[7:09] >> Yes. Correct.

[7:10] >> Yeah.

[7:10] >> All right.

[7:11] >> Um so yeah, I really think either way is

[7:14] fine. Um that's just ju just for

[7:16] purposes of leaving it on there. That's

[7:18] what we recommended just to change that

[7:20] language a little bit. Um

[7:23] and then oh there is just a comment that

[7:25] uh to make sure that the streetscape

[7:27] element required uh is being met along the sidewalks. So um we looked at

[7:33] this last time. This was just from the applicant just talking about

[7:36] the project. So we'll just kind of skip

[7:38] over that today um unless you have any

[7:40] questions on it. So yeah. So, we would

[7:43] recommend that the planning commission

[7:45] send a positive recommendation to the

[7:47] city council for the proposed site plan

[7:48] for the new 512 commercial building at

[7:51] 170 or 168 South Main Street with a

[7:53] condition that the streetscaping

[7:55] requirements be met and that the water

[7:56] tank be labeled as a future proposed

[7:58] water tank on the site plan.

[8:00] >> Okay. Flesh out a little bit for us more

[8:02] with the uh that the streetscaping

[8:04] requirements be met.

[8:06] >> Okay. Yeah, let me pull that up in here.

[8:12] So, this is just part of our, as you

[8:14] well know, the uh his gateway historic

[8:17] design guidelines require streetscaping.

[8:20] Uh, every 30 feet along sidewalks needs

[8:23] to have some sort of streetscape

[8:24] feature. And then there's the list right

[8:26] there of different types of features

[8:28] that can be included there. Um,

[8:32] so we would look for something like that

[8:35] uh along the sidewalk.

[8:38] Uh obviously this building is set way

[8:40] back on the site so it's definitely more

[8:43] of a concern maybe when a future

[8:45] building comes in but it is part of the

[8:46] requirement so we are including that

[8:48] now.

[8:49] >> Yeah that's that's what I wanted to just

[8:51] flesh out with you a little bit is that

[8:53] um again I I don't know timing or time

[8:56] frame and um but but at some point

[8:59] there's a family office or or an

[9:01] additional a building that's going to go

[9:03] in

[9:04] >> that will front

[9:06] >> Main Street. Um, and obviously that's

[9:08] going to come with a landscape plan. And

[9:11] so because this is set off set so far

[9:14] back off the street, I think what they

[9:16] have proposed is what basically to seed

[9:18] that area. I know on the north side of

[9:20] it there is some landscaping and then

[9:23] most of that area of the future proposed

[9:26] uh 13,000t office building, there's a

[9:28] proposal to just more or less seed that

[9:30] with native grasses. Right.

[9:33] So, I think right here you can see

[9:34] they're calling it mulch right now, a

[9:37] river rock mulch. So, um so there will

[9:40] be landscaping there. Um I guess it's

[9:43] just up to the discretion of the

[9:45] commissioners to to determine if they

[9:47] feel like they should be meeting that

[9:48] requirement. Now, obviously, no future

[9:50] is guaranteed, so we wouldn't want to

[9:53] maybe skip it just in case the building

[9:56] can't go in in the future, but

[9:59] >> Okay.

[10:00] >> Yeah.

[10:04] All right. And now I'll just show the So

[10:07] this is yeah the is the updated site

[10:08] plan they sent to me later. This wasn't

[10:10] part of your current uh the packet I

[10:12] sent over the weekend. Um but yeah, this

[10:15] clearly shows that they will meet the landscaping requirement even after a

[10:19] future office building is approved there

[10:22] if that is the case in the future. Um,

[10:24] and you can see the green shows all the

[10:26] landscaping area

[10:29] as well as the landscape plan we just

[10:30] had up. Uh, has all the details of that.

[10:33] But,

[10:36] all right. So, let's just go to the

[10:37] rendering real quick and then I will

[10:40] turn it back over to you guys.

[10:43] [snorts]

[10:48] So,

[10:53] I guess let me first go to this. This

[10:55] was the original rendering we saw if you

[10:57] recall.

[10:59] And now they've proposed this as their

[11:02] exterior material rendering.

[11:05] [snorts] So you can see there's a lot of

[11:06] dark brick here.

[11:09] That is the main material that's being

[11:11] used. And then there's uh there's

[11:15] different metals being used as well uh

[11:17] to complement and accent the building.

[11:21] parapit walls. The the height of the

[11:23] structure is 28 feet to the to the top

[11:25] of the parapit.

[11:31] Variety of windows there.

[11:35] And

[11:38] yeah, like I said, just different types

[11:39] of uh of metal being used for for accent

[11:43] both siding and

[11:46] also these these smoke smoke stacks are

[11:48] noticeable. I don't believe they'll be

[11:50] emitting any smoke, but just for design.

[11:53] Um, nothing in the historic gateway

[11:56] design guidelines uh prohibits those,

[12:00] but it's a definitely unique feature.

[12:05] And let me go pull up this.

[12:11] You can see the water tank there. So,

[12:13] the current site plan doesn't show the

[12:15] water tank here on the side of the

[12:16] building. It's It's up towards the front

[12:18] of the site towards the front property

[12:20] line, but it's just used there as

[12:22] reference. Um, classic Alpine cars

[12:26] there.

[12:30] And yeah, so um I guess I'll just turn

[12:33] it over to the planning commission for

[12:35] their evaluation.

[12:36] >> Okay. Thank you, Kaden. Uh, anybody have

[12:38] questions for Kaden based on what we've

[12:40] heard? Any questions?

[12:43] Okay.

[12:46] Uh all right then. Um

[12:50] if there is a representative of the

[12:52] applicant who would like to come up to

[12:55] the podium and add anything for us, we'd

[12:58] love to hear it. Uh just let us know

[13:00] your name and and your capacity.

[13:03] >> Dallas Nelson, architect with DNA, Inc.

[13:07] And yeah, I'm working with the owner on

[13:10] this and have been uh Nick Greer's

[13:13] architect for many projects in the past,

[13:15] including the Starflower Mill uh in

[13:18] American Fork. And he loves the historic

[13:23] and very interesting and unique

[13:26] projects. And so where we've been and where we're at, he we're very

[13:35] comfortable and confident in that it's

[13:37] going to turn out exceptional. And uh

[13:39] yeah, trying to recreate some history

[13:42] right here on his site with uh this

[13:45] design and these ideas overall. And uh

[13:48] yeah, I want to answer any questions

[13:51] that you may have though about the

[13:53] project.

[13:53] >> Yeah, sure. Kaden, can you pull up the

[13:55] rendering?

[13:58] » I'm sure this is your fine work, Dallas,

[14:01] right?

[14:01] >> Well, in a way, yes, but uh the

[14:04] rendering itself came from AI

[14:07] >> amazingly. And so I'm like already

[14:10] fearful all of us maybe. Okay.

[14:12] >> Yeah.

[14:14] On this rendering that is is inaccurate.

[14:20] >> Yeah. So, it had its limitations as we

[14:24] plugged in the more simplified version

[14:27] of the design that you've seen

[14:29] previously, kind of the plain 2D

[14:30] elevations, and then it kind of um

[14:34] renders and romanticizes the building

[14:36] itself. And so, the windows are a little

[14:38] bit different in the rendering versus

[14:41] the formal elevations. The proportions

[14:44] even slightly different. As I measured

[14:46] it, this came out about 75 feet in

[14:49] length when the building's actually 100.

[14:51] So the the AI program didn't get things

[14:54] 100%, but it captures the essence. And

[14:57] you know, concept sketches and

[14:59] renderings have always been close

[15:02] representations of what the final will

[15:04] be, but then the technical drawings are

[15:06] very accurate and would represent final

[15:08] dimensions and lengths and and that uh

[15:11] kind of for comparison. So if you look

[15:14] generally at this, you capture the

[15:15] flavor and [clears throat] you get the

[15:18] specifics from the kind of boring 2D

[15:20] drawings.

[15:20] >> But but but you are planning on uh it

[15:22] looks like you've kind of got some

[15:24] reproduction period type of of the the black lamps.

[15:30] >> Yes.

[15:31] >> The the the canopy over the the front

[15:33] doors.

[15:35] >> Yes.

[15:36] >> So there there are the majority of the

[15:38] details captured in this rendering that

[15:40] we would propose the canopy and such.

[15:42] Did you by chance bring a brick sample

[15:44] with you?

[15:45] >> Uh there is one in my truck or in my in

[15:49] my car that's actually not here and so I didn't uh bring one. But th this would

[15:55] be, you know, a more more

[15:59] rustic type of brick, but a a darker red

[16:03] similar to this. And I could certainly

[16:05] bring that.

[16:05] >> But I see a lot of architectural

[16:07] details, for example, around the

[16:08] windows. Um what' you call those ones,

[16:10] Sean? Soldier soldiering.

[16:12] >> Soldier course. Yes.

[16:14] >> Makes that transition so beautiful.

[16:16] >> Yeah. So the the brick detailing was the

[16:19] difference maker in these buildings

[16:21] historically. The material itself was

[16:24] pretty expensive and the labor was

[16:26] pretty cheap. So they would add all

[16:27] kinds of details around windows and

[16:29] cornises that made the projects

[16:32] beautiful. And

[16:34] that's different now for us. The labor

[16:36] is what's so expensive and the bricks

[16:38] are pretty cheap themselves. But we

[16:39] would like to use those in a way that

[16:42] would feel accurate and kind of bring

[16:46] some presence to the building and make

[16:47] it feel like it may have been here for a

[16:49] hundred years.

[16:50] >> 1924. Is that what's that about?

[16:53] >> Uh I think that's a liberty that the

[16:55] computer took. But so we might put like

[16:57] a 2026

[16:59] up there instead. Sorry. [clears throat]

[17:02] Your birth year. [laughter]

[17:05] » Ah yeah.

[17:06] >> Really?

[17:07] >> Yeah.

[17:07] >> So

[17:09] Jeez,

[17:09] >> there you are. That would make you 102.

[17:13] >> She's looking great. 102 there.

[17:16] >> Good at mathing. Uh quick question here

[17:18] for you just on this rendition right

[17:21] here. This kind of AI rendition. Yep. I

[17:23] don't see a a a kind of piece to the you

[17:28] know this I guess if I'm looking west on

[17:31] that on the end. I think on the

[17:33] architectural drawings you've got uh

[17:35] some kind of a

[17:38] yeah you're using a black you proposed

[17:40] to use a some sort of a black metal

[17:43] material. Did I miss that?

[17:44] >> Well, yeah. These drawings are

[17:46] challenging to read in a way.

[17:48] >> Like right there.

[17:49] >> Yeah. Where we've got an existing

[17:51] building. Oh, is that the existing

[17:52] building right there?

[17:53] >> Yes. And you know, we're trying to show

[17:55] generally I see that,

[17:57] >> but it's not actually part of this new

[17:59] project.

[17:59] >> Okay.

[18:02] >> Existing building.

[18:03] >> It's been a challenge to try to blend

[18:05] the materials together with these two.

[18:08] And what's there currently is a

[18:10] corrugated metal. And I think for what

[18:12] it is looks pretty good. We hadn't

[18:14] anticipated refinishing the existing

[18:18] building for the sake of cost and and

[18:21] that trade-off of what they can do as a

[18:23] charity versus what they can do with the

[18:25] building itself. But uh we're so so this

[18:31] >> discuss that if we need

[18:32] >> this portion of the building Dallas

[18:33] that's over the entryway that has the

[18:35] 512 5.12 logo that is that kind of a

[18:39] parapit that is does it break up the the

[18:42] roof line? Is that what that is?

[18:43] >> It will. So it it comes out from the

[18:46] main volume of the building by I believe

[18:49] 3 foot 4 in which is a brick increment

[18:53] and then it's also a couple of feet

[18:55] taller than the rest of the building. So

[18:57] we've used that strategy to vary the

[19:01] roof line and bring interest to it and

[19:04] hopefully comply with the guidelines of

[19:06] the historic district.

[19:07] >> Yeah, I think you did I think you did a

[19:09] great job. Thank you.

[19:10] >> Uh any more questions for Dallas? I'm

[19:12] getting the stink eye from Jeff. So,

[19:14] >> no,

[19:14] >> better ask question. Any more questions?

[19:16] >> No. Um,

[19:17] >> is this going to be compliant with the

[19:19] sign ordinance before we get too far

[19:21] along the

[19:22] >> I think that comes back to us at a later

[19:24] date.

[19:24] >> I know, but but when we did the other

[19:27] one, they kept saying they already

[19:28] punched the holes. So, I don't know if

[19:31] that needs to be done all at the same

[19:34] time.

[19:34] >> This is just painted applique,

[19:37] >> right?

[19:38] >> I think this version on lighting then

[19:40] it's we need to talk about it. Yeah, I

[19:42] would agree. And those typically are

[19:43] handled under a separate permit at least

[19:45] from the building itself.

[19:47] >> Yeah.

[19:47] >> But for some reference of what the

[19:50] signage might look like, we'd included

[19:52] something. But it may be that the right

[19:54] approach is an electrified or, you know,

[19:57] more of a channel letter type of sign

[19:59] that would be actually have some

[20:00] dimension to it rather than just

[20:02] painted. One or the other would likely

[20:05] be painted just for the historic context

[20:08] of it. And I think when it came right

[20:09] down to a sign, you'd you'd design one

[20:12] or whoever that take a look at the

[20:15] ordinances, be consistent with the or

[20:17] the sign ordinance because we definitely

[20:19] have one.

[20:20] >> Yeah. You wouldn't believe the sign

[20:21] battles that that

[20:23] >> that have come before us. But, uh,

[20:25] John's our resident signage expert.

[20:28] >> So, um, but but yeah, I think we'll deal

[20:30] with that one at at a later time.

[20:31] >> Pass it along your creative people that

[20:34] projected light onto the building and

[20:36] the sign is okay. Okay.

[20:38] >> Lights inside the the lettering

[20:41] projecting out is not okay.

[20:42] >> Okay.

[20:43] >> Shadow box lighting is okay.

[20:46] >> But that's because it's shooting back

[20:47] into the building.

[20:48] >> But yeah, this but this would be prime

[20:50] time for some of those those exterior

[20:52] lamps to shine right down on it

[20:53] consistent with what's already shown on

[20:55] the building. So yeah, sure it'll work

[20:57] out.

[20:57] >> Don't punch the hole.

[20:58] >> You're going to be

[21:00] >> I think so.

[21:02] >> Yeah. that it would feel like it was

[21:05] built and [clears throat] had some of

[21:07] the the feeling of

[21:09] >> Yeah.

[21:09] >> of a time when they were driving Model

[21:11] T's down Alpine Main Street.

[21:14] >> Well, this is so different than what we

[21:15] saw two or three weeks ago that looks I mean to the design team for

[21:20] sure.

[21:20] >> Yeah, for sure.

[21:20] >> Yeah, it is. And it um

[21:22] >> I have a question about the water tank.

[21:25] What's what's your official position?

[21:27] >> I have not been involved as much with

[21:30] that. It's been primarily sight based,

[21:33] but really just just simple ideas to

[21:36] this point. So the the water

[21:39] >> we shouldn't consider that as part of

[21:40] the site plan at this point.

[21:42] >> If that's the difference maker in it

[21:44] being if if that's the difference with

[21:47] the building being approved and the the

[21:49] site overall at this stage, then I'd say

[21:51] we just put that into the future

[21:54] >> so that can be considered down the road.

[21:56] which is our size, height,

[21:59] >> how it's classified, how tall is, what are the dimensions, and I don't

[22:03] know if we have any of that at this

[22:04] point.

[22:04] >> Yeah. And then I don't know if if we do

[22:06] as a civil team either for it at this at

[22:10] this stage. It's an idea and a

[22:12] placeholder from where it would be and

[22:15] then all of that would still have to be

[22:16] designed. I've in 20 something years

[22:19] I've never designed a water tank.

[22:20] >> Yeah. Well, I I don't think the city's

[22:22] had one.

[22:22] >> Not very common. I am just thinking

[22:24] today it's a little hard for us to prove

[22:26] what we don't know and and there I don't

[22:29] think there's any I don't think it's

[22:31] just kind of a matter of first

[22:32] impression

[22:33] >> to the process going forward. My

[22:35] recommendation is

[22:36] >> just leave it off for now.

[22:38] >> Okay.

[22:38] >> And come back with a new initiative if you once you've blocked it down.

[22:42] >> Okay. I think that's fair.

[22:44] >> What about your interim streetscape

[22:47] plans?

[22:48] Yeah, seeing those it I would say a lot

[22:52] of that at least with what we have

[22:53] currently is going to be would fall

[22:56] under the landscape team which is here

[22:58] with me as well from focus and they may

[23:00] want to address that but I also feel

[23:03] that there's a lot of that that will be

[23:05] addressed by the next building

[23:07] >> and and some of that that ties together

[23:09] drinking fountains and other things.

[23:10] >> So we need to before we can approve this

[23:13] or recommend approve this we need to

[23:14] know what will be done in the interim.

[23:16] >> Yeah. So, we'll need to have kind of a

[23:17] standalone version.

[23:18] >> You have any preliminary renderings of

[23:20] that or is that

[23:21] >> of the next building? No, only

[23:24] >> Well, we needed to get like this

[23:28] building will likely establish some of

[23:30] the style of what that next building

[23:32] will be. But other than it just being a

[23:34] square or rectangle on the site and it

[23:37] being 45, 50 feet tall, that's all we

[23:39] have. They would be Yeah. Probably not

[23:42] twins, but more like cousins, maybe. So

[23:46] yeah, and with that previous version uh

[23:48] of the rendering of the building, that

[23:50] was something that the owner and I had

[23:52] worked on and and he liked at the time

[23:55] and then as we got further on it it just

[23:57] wasn't quite the right fit. It didn't

[23:59] feel good and so we just changed

[24:00] directions and uh but he wanted to make

[24:03] sure that what we design now will work

[24:05] for the entire project and so it would

[24:08] be similar in style to this.

[24:11] So, John, I think the way it sits right

[24:14] now on the landscape plan is that on the

[24:17] east side of this property along Main

[24:20] Street, right around the west side of

[24:21] Main Street,

[24:22] >> it would be I think I heard it was some

[24:25] like Is there a sidewalk along there,

[24:27] Kaden? Currently. Okay. Yes.

[24:28] >> That then along that sidewalk and I

[24:30] don't know if it's three feet. I don't

[24:32] know what the width it would be, but

[24:33] some type of a Did I Did I hear rock and

[24:37] mulch or or bark or something?

[24:40] Okay.

[24:40] >> Yep.

[24:44] » Brian Wilson, Focus Consulting,

[24:47] landscape designer

[24:48] >> and Beach Boys.

[24:50] >> You betcha. All righty.

[24:51] >> My parents did name me after him. So,

[24:53] >> you betcha. Still rocking the legend.

[24:56] So, I don't play the drums. I play the

[24:58] guitar.

[25:00] >> Anyways, um yes, it is with every intent

[25:04] to meet the the municipal code with the

[25:07] uh furnishings. So, as you can see on

[25:10] the east side, there's two um benches

[25:15] and the, you know, required um mulch

[25:19] that would be placed there.

[25:21] >> Um

[25:21] >> Oh, that looks like a that looks like a

[25:23] 15 in or 15 foot now that I see this a

[25:26] little bit larger.

[25:27] >> So, that would be 15 foot. Okay. And it

[25:30] would not be my recommendation at this

[25:32] time to add any sort of live plant

[25:36] vegetation or material such as trees,

[25:39] shrubs. Um, as in the future as the the

[25:44] secondary building does go in, um, a lot

[25:49] of the, you know, site activity for

[25:52] demolition and masquerading would cause

[25:56] us to be those removed as well. So,

[26:02] >> but we don't have any expectation of

[26:04] when the second building would be built.

[26:08] >> I don't know at this time.

[26:10] >> I I don't either.

[26:12] It may be in a year or maybe in five or

[26:15] 10.

[26:16] >> That's the issue. If it's five or 10, we

[26:19] need to have something more substantial

[26:20] in the landscape plan.

[26:22] >> Yeah.

[26:24] If we were to talk with the owner, he

[26:25] may have something. If he was required

[26:28] to share that for the sake of this

[26:31] project, he likely would. Just he hasn't

[26:34] to me

[26:36] for just kind of on a need to know

[26:37] basis, I think.

[26:40] >> Brian, that the native grass reveation

[26:43] seed mix, just describe that for I mean,

[26:46] is that something will there be? I mean,

[26:48] I know you want to I don't I know you

[26:49] don't want to put a whole sprinkler

[26:51] system in which you'll just have to tear

[26:53] up, but will there be any water to it?

[26:56] Is it

[26:57] >> only, you know, kind of high desert

[26:59] plants that survive without

[27:02] >> water? I'm not sure what kind of grasses

[27:04] survive without water, but

[27:06] >> trying to understand if that'll just end

[27:07] up basically being a 15ft strip of of

[27:10] rocks and mulch with kind of barren dirt

[27:16] to the west.

[27:17] >> So yeah, um it's advisable to have a 4

[27:21] inch depth of the rock mulch with the

[27:24] weed barrier of course like at a

[27:26] minimum. Um, as far as the native grass,

[27:30] it is advisable to have at least one um,

[27:35] year of temporary water administered to

[27:38] it just to get it to start growing and

[27:41] try to, you know, minimize weeds. And

[27:45] after that, usually within one growing

[27:48] season, if it germinates well, um, it

[27:50] can usually establish and sustain itself

[27:53] with on what mother nature allows it.

[27:56] So,

[27:57] >> okay. So, you will have some at least

[27:58] for a year have temporary water to help

[28:01] to to establish the

[28:04] native grasses.

[28:06] >> That would be the best plan.

[28:09] >> Well, is it in the plan?

[28:11] >> Um, no, it's not.

[28:12] >> Okay.

[28:14] >> Have you ever been successful with this

[28:16] or you have have you ever used it and

[28:19] been successful with the native grass

[28:21] seed?

[28:21] >> Uh, yes, on multiple projects. We

[28:25] typically use it on a lot of um you know

[28:28] retention and detention um a lot of

[28:31] areas um especially in like Eagle

[28:34] Mountain where we're trying to preserve

[28:37] a lot of water where there's no access

[28:39] to water currently. And so

[28:41] >> K is something you can pull up.

[28:43] >> Can we see what that would look like? I

[28:44] don't I don't know how you would Google

[28:46] that or look that up. Maybe Brian knows.

[28:48] Um, anybody who has driven through

[28:51] Daybreak, you might notice the beautiful

[28:55] long tufts of grass that sort of weep

[28:57] over um that are adjacent to Kentucky

[29:01] blueg grass. Um, you're able to create a

[29:04] beautiful blend of that that only needs

[29:06] to be mowed maybe twice a year that can

[29:09] establish well next to other plant

[29:11] types.

[29:13] >> I can't pull that up in my head. I don't

[29:15] know anybody else can. There's one of

[29:17] their if we just see this.

[29:19] >> They do it they do it at golf course.

[29:21] >> Yeah. On the exterior.

[29:23] >> Yeah. But you're always right down the

[29:24] middle of the fairway. You're never out in that.

[29:26] >> Check it out, man.

[29:27] >> Is this what Nick put in his front yard?

[29:29] So I noticed Nick in his front yard

[29:30] instead of doing a commercial where you

[29:32] have the cement curving and stuff inside

[29:34] his big BMS. He has long fescues and

[29:37] grasses and natural looking stuff.

[29:39] >> I've kind of done the same thing in my

[29:40] yard where I try to use zeroscape and I

[29:42] just have drip for the big 20 foot

[29:44] pines. Is that kind of what it's going

[29:46] to look like?

[29:48] >> Have you guys seen Nick's house just

[29:50] straight through?

[29:51] >> I think he's done the same

[29:53] >> with his

[29:54] >> He is my neighbor, but I never walk by

[29:56] there because if he ever talks to me, it

[29:57] takes an hour. Well, and he throws rocks

[29:59] at me. Yes, both things.

[30:01] >> Yeah, both things.

[30:04] [clears throat]

[30:06] >> And the water tower is just aesthetics.

[30:08] Kind of what you did down with the grist

[30:09] mill where you kept the old stuff in

[30:12] there for aesthetics. It's not

[30:14] functional. You're not putting water and

[30:15] stuff in it.

[30:16] >> I think his intention is that it would

[30:17] be functional. Okay.

[30:19] >> Some some actual emergency storage

[30:23] capacity in it that if he needed 5,000

[30:27] gallons of water for some reason that he

[30:30] would have it up there, but it would I

[30:32] think it would be functional.

[30:33] >> Okay.

[30:35] >> Yeah. I just would imagine there's all

[30:37] kinds of engineering specs and

[30:40] >> Yeah.

[30:41] That's going to have to be

[30:42] deferred for another day for this to go

[30:44] through.

[30:44] >> Yeah, certainly.

[30:46] >> There's a there that's that's I actually

[30:48] thought this was just a aesthetic

[30:51] >> like I think um

[30:55] >> uh what what is it? Uh Sunrest has kind

[30:57] of a water I always thought it was a

[30:59] water tank, but it turns out I think

[31:00] it's just a a cell tower disguise.

[31:02] >> It may be that strategy.

[31:04] >> Yeah, but you're actually a if that's a

[31:06] legit 5,000galon

[31:08] water

[31:11] tower. You gota I think you that's a

[31:13] whole another thing.

[31:14] >> It would take a specialty engineering

[31:16] company to design the structure of it

[31:19] and the actual water distribution. So it

[31:22] is definitely down the road and not part

[31:25] of what would happen in this project. So

[31:28] if that is kind of a a deal breaker in

[31:32] one way or another, I think we could

[31:33] easily just call that future because

[31:34] we're certainly not ready to

[31:36] >> Yeah,

[31:36] >> we don't have enough detail on that. I I

[31:38] think it probably need to be the case.

[31:39] All right. So, Brian, right here we have

[31:40] 2023 daybreak at a glance. Daybreak Utah

[31:43] homes. We see that mowed Kentucky blueg

[31:46] grass maybe. And then that that large

[31:48] that that's a native grass you're

[31:50] talking about there.

[31:51] >> Correct. Yeah.

[31:51] >> And you just mow it a couple of times a

[31:53] year. It gets to be a certain height.

[31:55] And

[31:56] >> that's correct.

[31:57] >> Okay.

[31:57] >> Mhm. Uh we've found a lot of success too

[32:00] with like wild flowers um from the inner

[32:03] mountain west mixed in and

[32:06] >> those tend to create a really beautiful

[32:09] mixture.

[32:10] >> Okay. Yeah. No, I mean very helpful. I

[32:12] was for some reason just seeing weeds in

[32:16] my mind not knowing what that was.

[32:26] Looks like it's probably higher in the

[32:27] mountains though instead of this level

[32:29] >> to get them. Okay.

[32:30] >> But it's the same thing you bring in

[32:32] wild grasses and [snorts] wild flowers

[32:34] that are native indigenous to the area.

[32:36] You plant them and then you don't have

[32:37] water waste water.

[32:38] >> Okay. Gotcha. All right. Uh anybody else

[32:42] have any more questions for this

[32:43] gentleman? It's doesn't pertain to, you

[32:47] know, approval of this the building and

[32:49] stuff, but just for information. Uh,

[32:52] you've got 85 parking stalls, how many

[32:54] full-time employees and what time do

[32:56] they come? And, you know, once again,

[32:59] it's yeah,

[33:00] >> just the biggest questions we get all

[33:02] the time is the school across the

[33:03] street, parking and travel, it's the

[33:05] number one complaint. this one as I went

[33:07] and looked at it, walked it last night.

[33:09] You know, I'm assuming a lot of the

[33:11] employees and you know, first of all,

[33:13] congrats for what you're doing. We think

[33:14] it's a great cause and stuff, but have

[33:16] we thought at all about doing anything

[33:18] relative to minimizing ingress, egress,

[33:21] and traffic because I'm assuming the 85

[33:24] employees don't live in Alpine

[33:26] >> and so you're have people coming if it's

[33:28] the same time as school and that's where

[33:29] the school is kind of parked on the

[33:31] roads and some have even parked there. I

[33:32] noticed Nick put a sign up, you know, no

[33:34] parking recently. Just curious, how many

[33:38] employees, what hours do they work, and

[33:40] is there anything we can do at a city or

[33:42] something to minimize

[33:45] two major traffic? Well, I'll I'll let

[33:49] the gentleman speak for themselves, but

[33:50] I think when they came and chatted with

[33:53] us a few weeks ago,

[33:55] >> um it's

[33:58] >> I don't I don't know how I don't think

[34:00] there's, correct me wrong, but I don't

[34:01] think there's very many full-time

[34:03] employees. I think there's a two or

[34:05] three or nights a week where volunteers

[34:07] come in church related and they

[34:10] basically bring you know like like

[34:13] sometime during the day trucks come in

[34:15] and I don't know if they come in off

[34:16] First or off of

[34:20] >> um

[34:20] >> they're probably coming right off of

[34:21] Main Street now but that has been

[34:23] >> paid. All right. Yeah,

[34:25] >> but I think before

[34:26] >> but I don't think there's a lot of

[34:26] people there during the day. I think

[34:28] they come in the evenings and and put

[34:30] the packages and everything together and

[34:32] then they go out and are delivered to

[34:34] local schools on, you know, Thursdays or

[34:36] Fridays for, you know, the the students

[34:39] to take home. So, I don't know that

[34:41] there's daily

[34:42] >> based off spec. It's just limited with

[34:45] infrastructure and that's the worst spot

[34:47] for traffic.

[34:48] >> Yeah.

[34:56] Well,

[34:57] >> everything else in there. If there's not

[34:58] a lot of traffic, maybe

[34:59] >> Yeah. What is the traffic situation?

[35:01] Employees, who's there during the day?

[35:04] What are the hours of operation?

[35:05] >> Yeah. So, Greg, one of the first

[35:08] activities Nick invited me to be part of

[35:11] was an actual uh usage of the existing

[35:15] facility and to be part of the service

[35:18] that happens there. And it happened on a

[35:20] Wednesday, I believe, at 6:00. And it's

[35:22] one hour of like frenetic work with like

[35:26] a hundred people in there and then

[35:28] everybody goes home and there's a few

[35:30] people there that are loading up these

[35:32] totes into trucks, you know, for the

[35:34] next day. But it's it's really one day a

[35:37] week that it's intensive and for one

[35:40] hour a day for the most part.

[35:42] >> Kids have stuff to go home. Yeah.

[35:44] >> Over the weekend they have food. They

[35:45] get meals because they're not going to

[35:47] school.

[35:47] >> That's the idea. And the fast

[35:49] >> it it is. And you know, right now

[35:51] they're just they had been parking just

[35:53] kind of all over in front of his house

[35:55] and you know, wherever they could fit

[35:57] because, you know, you got you need a

[36:00] bunch of vans and and other things for

[36:02] people to drive in. But the idea would

[36:04] be that there'd be some offset because

[36:06] the business and the the space at the

[36:09] front would be used kind of nine to

[36:11] five, nine to four kind of thing. And uh

[36:14] when that uh use and demand has gone,

[36:18] then others are showing up for that one

[36:20] day a week. But employee-wise, it's just

[36:23] a handful. And they're not even

[36:25] employees. It's just

[36:26] >> I think some a few volunteers that he

[36:29] may actually employ them. I'm not sure

[36:30] about that, but it's it's um a very

[36:34] minimal number. It might be four to six,

[36:36] maybe eight that would ever be there at one time in this building itself.

[36:42] >> Thank you. I was I missed this June 2nd

[36:45] meeting.

[36:45] >> Sorry, Dallas. I'm Trevor Sharp. We're

[36:47] going to be building the project with

[36:48] Silver Fox.

[36:50] >> So Nick's my brother-in-law and I've

[36:52] been to the facility multiple times, but

[36:54] the way it generally works is a young

[36:56] youth group comes up and they all

[36:58] carpool. So, you're going to bring a big

[37:00] huge group of people within a couple

[37:02] vehicles, maybe five or six vehicles,

[37:04] and they go in there, do exactly what

[37:06] Dallas said, put the packages together,

[37:08] and then they go home, and then the next

[37:10] day, someone else comes to pick up the

[37:12] totes or they take it home with them

[37:13] that night, and they go out and they

[37:15] deliver them. So, it's it's very

[37:16] minimal. It's like you said, it's only

[37:18] one night. So, I don't think you're

[37:20] going to have a problem like you will.

[37:21] >> Is that a WA shirt?

[37:23] >> What's that?

[37:24] >> Ya.

[37:27] No,

[37:29] >> I don't know if any uh but earlier in

[37:32] the spring they used this warehouse as

[37:34] part of a um a community fundraising

[37:38] event and they had um street market like

[37:43] popups and the back doors were open for

[37:46] I don't know if they had a concert in

[37:48] there.

[37:48] >> Is that a continual use that we see

[37:51] going forward? Was that a oneoff? I

[37:53] don't know if the design team can answer

[37:55] that.

[37:55] >> Yeah, I I mean I I don't know those

[37:58] details for this, but I think they may

[38:01] use it on occasion for other purposes.

[38:04] Uh and whether that's something that I

[38:06] don't know if you're required to have

[38:07] permits like someone across the street

[38:09] for this event may have a permit for or

[38:12] not.

[38:13] >> Parking lot.

[38:14] >> Yeah. More sporadic um if if that does

[38:18] occur. And I don't know the frequency.

[38:20] It's not certainly every weekend or

[38:22] that. I don't it's not going to be a

[38:23] reception center. It's going to be a

[38:26] warehouse. You know, the the key with

[38:28] this was that it was at least 20 ft

[38:31] high. So, they could stack as many

[38:33] pallets as possible. There's actually a

[38:34] basement to it as well for that same

[38:36] reason. Part of it is so they can get a

[38:39] lot of what's being stored in the

[38:40] existing building into this. And then

[38:43] the existing building will basically be

[38:44] for production and packing and just let

[38:47] more people in there because it's the

[38:49] there there's a limited amount of space

[38:52] and people are falling or not falling

[38:54] but you know there's a lot of kind of

[38:57] chaos happening because it's too

[38:58] confined right now. So it's it's a

[39:02] warehouse first and then perhaps

[39:04] secondarily it might be used for other

[39:06] events that would further their mission.

[39:15] Okay.

[39:17] Any further questions for Dallas, Brian,

[39:20] or any of the team?

[39:22] >> Okay. Thank you.

[39:23] >> Thank you.

[39:25] >> All right.

[39:26] Discussion.

[39:30] Uh, any need to go back through the

[39:32] Gateway Historic District guidelines?

[39:33] We've we've been through them pretty

[39:36] completely or very exhaustively actually

[39:38] over the last couple of meetings. So

[39:41] >> yeah, looks like they

[39:43] >> Yeah, I mean brick brick is a primary

[39:45] material brick is a primary

[39:48] >> building material. It's essentially all

[39:50] brick. Um

[39:52] I went through the guidelines just

[39:53] before the meeting and it looked to me

[39:55] like it was very much compliant and

[39:57] parking, landscaping, I think everything

[40:00] else is consistent. Um the biggest

[40:02] issues I see are probably in uh any kind

[40:04] of motion or recommendation to deal with

[40:07] the uh tower as a uh you know future

[40:10] matter. Uh and then just confirm that

[40:13] the plans the particularly the landscape

[40:16] plan does call for um some method of at

[40:19] least a year or so of watering to

[40:21] establish that

[40:23] native grass. But those are the two

[40:25] things I saw. Perhaps somebody else saw

[40:29] >> something we need to consider. Kaden, do

[40:30] we have any recourse?

[40:33] Um

[40:35] like if it gets out of control or you

[40:38] know it's that landscaping

[40:41] doesn't look good

[40:41] >> doesn't look good after a year

[40:43] >> it's supposed to meet the plan. Yeah. So

[40:45] whatever is approved if it gets out of

[40:47] control from that then yeah we do have a

[40:49] recourse. Yeah.

[40:54] » Okay.

[40:57] » I I like the water tower. I think it

[40:59] would be cool, but

[41:00] >> I think it's of course you do, Mr.

[41:03] Waterman.

[41:03] >> Of course. My but my recommendation

[41:06] would be, you know, if you give us

[41:10] details like height,

[41:13] is it going to actually contain water or

[41:16] is it just a structure?

[41:17] >> I think you said it was going to be

[41:18] 5,000 gallons of water in it. It's a

[41:21] legit workable actual water tower. And what's the purpose then of it?

[41:29] >> Water storage.

[41:30] >> Okay.

[41:31] >> It looks super cool.

[41:32] >> It's cool.

[41:33] >> Well, it looks cool and it's legit water

[41:35] storage is what what what Dallas told

[41:37] us.

[41:38] >> Then then there's a whole other thing

[41:40] since we don't have any guidelines.

[41:42] >> Right. That's that's why I say it has to

[41:43] be part of a different

[41:45] >> I'm gonna I'm gonna talk about you know

[41:49] um

[41:51] emergency dumping of it where where that

[41:54] goes and you know controls and security

[41:59] keeping kids or people from climbing it.

[42:03] Um, yeah. I mean, there's if it was just

[42:06] if it wasn't containing water and then

[42:09] was like, okay, to me, security and

[42:12] height.

[42:14] Um, but if it's going to contain water,

[42:17] then then there's a whole bunch of other

[42:20] questions to ask.

[42:21] >> We got an owner worried about the zombie

[42:23] apocalypse, and if it comes, he's going

[42:24] to have water. Okay. There will be

[42:27] water.

[42:28] >> Nick in a squirrel suit jump.

[42:30] >> Yeah, too. That too. I think that's why

[42:32] John said to just postpone it.

[42:36] » Yeah, I think so. Uh and may maybe that

[42:39] gets presented depending on timing with

[42:41] the uh the next building down the line

[42:43] or as a standalone, but I just we don't

[42:46] I don't think we have enough before us

[42:47] today to have any idea how to address

[42:49] that

[42:50] >> motion. So, city council is aware that's

[42:53] not on the table right now.

[42:55] >> Yeah.

[42:56] >> So, they don't get

[42:57] >> Yeah.

[42:58] So, there's the uh the water

[43:00] tower. The second thing I heard was if

[43:03] you're not going to build the building

[43:04] within a certain time frame. I get why

[43:06] you don't want to spend a bunch of

[43:07] money, put stuff in, then tear it out

[43:08] and ruin the landscaping just to waste

[43:10] money and then you're you're watering

[43:12] something that's wasting water that we

[43:13] don't have.

[43:15] >> But a timeline

[43:17] >> I've heard just the comment I think is

[43:19] relevant that if you're not going to

[43:20] build a building for 10 years and you

[43:22] can't have

[43:24] >> it's the way it is now. So, but it'd be

[43:26] nice to get that portion of the near the

[43:29] road or the sidewalk landscape.

[43:32] >> I'm satisfied with

[43:36] » same couple benches.

[43:40] >> Natural grasses, flowers.

[43:42] >> Same.

[43:42] >> I think Michelle could be

[43:45] >> Michelle mentioned she wanted a

[43:46] decorated waste basket. Did I hear you

[43:48] say that?

[43:49] >> You wanted what?

[43:49] >> You wanted a decorated waste basket.

[43:52] >> Yes. Well, I saw that on the guideline.

[43:54] I saw that too.

[43:55] >> Garbage canister.

[43:56] >> I know. I know. I never noticed that

[43:57] before. You point out

[43:58] >> that's an option. Please know. Um,

[44:01] [clears throat] so what's our height? 35

[44:04] ft.

[44:05] >> 30.

[44:06] >> 34 is the requirement.

[44:07] >> 34. So the painted metal

[44:12] smoke stacks can be six feet.

[44:16] I hope they're not that tall. But

[44:19] >> I believe the height's not called out on

[44:21] them, but

[44:21] >> the height to the parapit 28.

[44:24] >> Correct.

[44:25] >> I think does that count as the height of

[44:27] the building or

[44:28] >> correct? Yes. Yeah. I think they would

[44:31] be considered like a chimney where it's

[44:32] not considered part of the height.

[44:34] >> Okay. A chimney is not considered but

[44:36] the clock tower would be.

[44:38] >> Yes.

[44:39] >> But a chimney is not

[44:40] >> correct.

[44:41] >> Okay. Okay. Just clarifying. Sorry. I

[44:45] Okay.

[44:48] Anything else? If not, I think we

[44:51] laid some laid things out and happy to

[44:53] entertain a motion if anybody's got one.

[44:56] >> Do you want to do it?

[44:58] >> All right. I'd like to move uh to

[45:01] recommend the approval to the city

[45:02] council of the proposed site plan for

[45:04] the new 512 commercial building located

[45:07] at 168 South Main Street with the

[45:10] following conditions. that they strike

[45:13] or remove the water tower as part of the

[45:15] approval process to be presented with

[45:18] specificity and details at a future

[45:21] date. and that if the second building is

[45:26] not done within a

[45:30] three-year time frame

[45:32] that the landscaping company

[45:36] uh landscape per the design that's

[45:39] proposed uh the space by the sidewalk in

[45:42] front of the entire property.

[45:47] » Okay, we have a motion by Greg

[45:49] Butterfield. Do we have a second? I'll second it. Okay, we have a second

[45:52] by Troy Slay. Discussion on the motion.

[45:54] >> Yeah. Where where did the three years

[45:56] come from? Why not six months or a year

[46:00] to be done right away?

[46:02] >> If to establish native grasses and

[46:06] flowers.

[46:06] >> So, I made that up on the fly. That was

[46:08] really quick.

[46:09] >> Okay.

[46:09] >> Uh based off the fact based by the fact

[46:12] someone said it could be a year, could

[46:13] be five or 10 years. And so I was trying

[46:15] to provide something that's realistic

[46:18] and also trying to take into account

[46:19] that it is the way it is now and has

[46:21] been for the last

[46:23] >> but the building site for the second

[46:24] building is being left unressed which is

[46:26] okay. We're just saying we want the

[46:28] first 15 ft.

[46:30] >> No no the building site for the second

[46:31] building is addressed if my

[46:33] understanding is my understanding is

[46:34] that there's a 15 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That

[46:37] whole area that the building will sit on

[46:39] >> is native grasses.

[46:41] >> I mean cor am I right on that? Yeah.

[46:43] >> Okay. If we want yeah modification if we

[46:46] want to shorten that time frame I'm

[46:48] happy to amend what I said from three

[46:50] years to a shorter period

[46:52] >> I would amend it to just say that

[46:55] >> it

[46:56] >> it's done in

[46:57] >> landscape plan will be

[47:00] >> included

[47:02] >> with the construction warehouse yeah so

[47:05] unless we're doing this I think that

[47:08] >> that along with the construction of the

[47:10] building

[47:11] >> they they will landscape the 15t

[47:17] and the native grass will be likewise

[47:20] planted

[47:22] >> once the construction is done. So it'll

[47:24] be part of this project

[47:26] >> temporary watering.

[47:27] >> So I'm not sure that we need you know I

[47:30] mean my suggestion would be I'm not sure

[47:32] >> have it as a recommendation condition.

[47:34] >> Yeah I think so.

[47:35] >> So who's taking the the minutes the

[47:37] notes?

[47:38] >> So so what we do is so I think the way

[47:40] we proceed under Robert's rules is

[47:41] because we have a be a

[47:44] >> motion

[47:45] >> and a second that we now have somebody

[47:47] propose an amendment uh to the motion

[47:50] and see if Greg accepts that amendment.

[47:52] >> Yes.

[47:53] >> So, would anybody like to propose an

[47:55] amendment? I propose that we strike the

[47:57] three-year uh time frame for

[48:00] establishing landscaping

[48:02] and

[48:04] um

[48:06] require that the entire building

[48:09] envelope be

[48:12] landscaped as proposed.

[48:14] >> Yeah.

[48:14] >> With native grasses and flowers with uh

[48:19] enough watering to establish that

[48:22] vegetation for a one-year period. Okay,

[48:25] we have a proposed amendment um by John

[48:28] McCay. Greg, do you accept?

[48:30] >> I'm fine with the recommendation or the

[48:31] amendment.

[48:32] >> Okay. All right. So, we have an amended

[48:35] motion. Do we have a second on the

[48:36] amended motion?

[48:38] >> Second.

[48:40] >> That was Troy's job.

[48:42] >> No, you're good. Okay, we have I'm just

[48:44] [laughter] kidding, S. All right, we

[48:45] have a second by Suz Whittenberg.

[48:47] Discussion on the amended motion.

[48:51] Okay, all in favor? I I Any opposed?

[48:54] Okay. Uh, passes unanimously.

[48:58] Seven to zero. Well done, team. We

[49:01] appreciate your time

[49:04] >> and we like the project. Thank you.

[49:05] >> Thank you for bringing this back to us.

[49:06] >> Yeah, I think that

[49:07] >> it looks terrific.

[49:08] >> Well worth it.

[49:09] >> Looks awesome.

[49:09] >> It looks so good.

[49:11] >> Don't give up on the water tank. I love

[49:12] that. [laughter]

[49:14] >> We will not.

[49:17] >> Okay. Uh, all right. Communications.

[49:19] >> How big?

[49:29] water

[49:32] tank

[49:34] head just in case water. [laughter]

[49:43] Thank you. Uh all right. Any

[49:45] communications that need to come before

[49:46] the commission?

[49:49] >> Okay. If no,

[49:50] >> I'll say just from staff, we have some I

[49:52] think city code updates coming down the

[49:55] pipeline just so you're aware. Um

[49:57] >> on the 21st.

[49:58] >> I don't know if it will be this month or

[50:00] in August, but should be coming pretty

[50:02] soon.

[50:03] >> Okay. Are we planning on meeting on the

[50:05] 21st?

[50:06] >> As of right now, uh I'm not sure.

[50:09] >> Okay.

[50:10] >> What just basic or what kind of city

[50:12] coke changes? um some basic, some larger

[50:16] as proposed by city council members and

[50:19] different changes. So, yeah.

[50:22] >> And I think we're planning on putting

[50:23] another um fruit stand right underneath

[50:26] your home. [laughter]

[50:27] >> So, just wanted to give you a heads up

[50:29] that was coming down the pip.

[50:30] >> Yeah. Trying to pave the way.

[50:32] >> Just getting you ready, Michelle.

[50:33] >> Get ready.

[50:35] >> Okay. Otherwise,

[50:37] [laughter]

[50:40] » 53 minutes. Okay, that was we wanted to

[50:43] get it right, Jeff. Okay. All right,

[50:45] let's go on to the uh minutes. Anybody

[50:47] had a chance to uh read the minutes or

[50:49] want to make a motion?

[50:51] >> I'll make a motion to approve the

[50:52] minutes for June 16th.

[50:55] >> Okay, we have a motion to approve the

[50:56] minutes by Jeff Davis. We have a second.

[50:58] >> Second.

[50:59] >> Okay, have a second by John McCay. All

[51:00] in favor?

[51:01] >> I uh motion to adjurnn.

[51:04] >> I Yep. I'd make a motion that we

[51:06] adjourn.

[51:07] >> Motion by Mr. Davis. Second.

[51:09] >> Second.

[51:10] by Suz. All in favor? I meeting adjourned. Well done. Thank

[51:13] you.

[51:14] >> Sorry, Troy.

[51:16] >> No, you're just left them hanging.

[51:20] >> Whatever.

[51:22] >> Do Do I ever ask what they are? This

[51:24] change.

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