[0:10] He's sitting back. He's sitting back on

[0:12] his couch. He's going, "Gotcha."

[0:15] [laughter]

[0:25] » Oh, you're

[0:35] Is she here to read a proclamation?

[0:38] >> She shows up.

[0:42] » Call her if she

[0:45] is there. I mean, it's highly possible.

[0:49] >> No, I guess that's good. So, you just

[0:51] need the

[0:57] » We've already passed the resolution. We

[1:01] just need

[1:17] » Okay. Okay.

[1:28] Hello everyone and welcome to the

[1:31] September

[1:34] 2026 Anderson County Board of

[1:36] Commissioners meeting. Um like to say

[1:40] welcome to all the newer commissioners

[1:42] and also welcome to all the reelected

[1:44] commissioners. Uh we've got a lot to do

[1:47] this year and three years after that. So

[1:51] happy to serve with you all.

[1:54] I'm going to call the public hearing to

[1:56] order where we are will discuss

[1:59] resolution number 26091276

[2:04] to amend zoning resolution of Anderson

[2:07] County, Tennessee by reszoning partial

[2:10] 081.00

[2:12] 00 Anderson County Tax Map 032

[2:17] from I2 heavy industrial district to R1

[2:22] suburban residential district. Do we

[2:26] have anyone here to speak on that?

[2:37] Do you want to speak on it?

[2:38] >> I don't care.

[2:39] >> Okay.

[2:40] >> Uh we took this up in planning

[2:41] commission. And this is just reszoning a

[2:43] uh industrial to residential. Um on it's

[2:46] the property on the other side of

[2:48] mountain where the David Jones

[2:50] Industrial Park is. It's on the other

[2:51] side of North Freeway. Most of the stuff

[2:53] behind it's all residential. So um

[2:55] they're asking it be moved to

[2:56] residential. We've had a lot of new

[2:58] houses go in there. There was an old

[2:59] farm that has big lots and so it's just

[3:01] one house being built on that um

[3:03] currently. So that's and you haven't had

[3:06] any issue. We had nobody here at

[3:07] planning commission that was against it.

[3:09] So and we approved it unanimously.

[3:15] I guess I would just ask uh two

[3:17] commissioners from that district. Do you

[3:19] have any issues with this?

[3:23] » Okay. No, I don't have any issues with

[3:26] it at all. I've not received any comment

[3:28] from the community uh for or against

[3:32] this reszoning.

[3:34] >> Same with me. No comments from the

[3:36] community and I don't have any issues.

[3:41] Okay, with that then I will close the

[3:44] public hearing. Uh we'll move on to a

[3:48] proclamation

[3:49] recognizing the contribution of

[3:52] Community Mediation Services, Inc. to

[3:55] the residents of Anderson County. This

[3:57] was requested by Greta Owen.

[4:11] before.

[4:12] >> That's okay.

[4:14] It's a proclamation recognizing the

[4:15] contribution of Community Mediation

[4:17] Services, Inc. to the residents of

[4:19] Anderson County. Whereas Community

[4:21] Mediation Services, Inc. is a nonprofit

[4:23] organization serving Anderson County and

[4:26] is celebrating their 40th anniversary

[4:28] this year. Whereas Community Mediation

[4:31] Services, Inc. has served more than

[4:34] 17,000 people during their 40 years of

[4:36] operation. And whereas Community

[4:38] Mediation Services, Inc. provides three

[4:41] different mediation programs for

[4:42] residents of Anderson County. Victim

[4:44] offender reconciliation program, teen

[4:47] and parent mediation program, and

[4:49] visitation mediation program. All of

[4:52] which are conducted by highly trained

[4:53] volunteers and are provided at no or

[4:57] minimal cost.

[4:59] And whereas the services conducted by

[5:01] Community Mediation Services, Inc.

[5:03] promote peaceful dispute resolution,

[5:05] creative conflict engagement by actively

[5:08] facilitating productive and constructive

[5:11] and effective dialogue through the

[5:12] intervention of trained neutral third

[5:14] party.

[5:16] And whereas through modeling the

[5:18] mediation process teaches participate

[5:21] participants skills in conflict conflict

[5:24] articulation, negotiation and settlement

[5:28] and authentic participation using words

[5:30] rather than force or violence. And

[5:32] whereas promoting the broader use of

[5:34] mediation will help create more

[5:36] cooperative and connected community and

[5:39] will assist in resolving conflict that

[5:41] diminishes the quality of life of its

[5:44] citizens. And now therefore, the

[5:46] Anderson County Board Commissioner does

[5:48] here commissioners does hereby pro

[5:50] proclaim October 2026 as Community

[5:53] Mediation Month in Anderson County to

[5:56] raise awareness of the special and vital

[5:58] services provided by Community Mediation

[6:00] Services, Inc. Is that all I read?

[6:04] And um so Mayor Frank and and members of

[6:09] the county commission, I my name is Amy

[6:12] Hoer. I am the program coordinator for

[6:14] community mediation services and uh we

[6:17] just want to really thank you for this

[6:19] meaningful recognition of uh the 40-year

[6:22] anniversary of CMS. We were the first

[6:25] mediation center in the state in 1986.

[6:29] So for 40 years uh so 40 years of

[6:31] service is an extraordinary

[6:33] uh milestone and we're deeply grateful

[6:36] to have the opportunity to celebrate

[6:37] this with the community. This

[6:39] recognition belongs not just to the

[6:41] organization but to the many volunteers,

[6:43] staff members, board members, and

[6:45] community partners who have contributed

[6:47] to this work over the past four decades.

[6:51] At its heart, mediation is about giving

[6:54] people an opportunity to be heard, to

[6:56] understand one another, and to find

[6:58] constructive ways to move forward. For

[7:01] 40 years, Community Mediation Services

[7:03] has been privileged to provide no cost

[7:06] mediations to help individuals, teens,

[7:09] and families resolve conflict and

[7:11] strengthen relationships.

[7:13] With more than 6,000 referrals to our

[7:15] program, we have worked with separating

[7:17] parents to create parenting plans.

[7:19] Through our access and visitation

[7:20] program, we have established almost

[7:23] $100,000 in restitution for victims in

[7:26] the victim offender reconciliation

[7:28] program.

[7:30] And we also have the teen and parent

[7:32] program who help troubled teens

[7:34] communicate with their parents.

[7:37] Um we are especially grateful to the

[7:40] county commission for recognizing the

[7:41] value of this work and for honoring the

[7:43] role that community- based mediations

[7:46] play in building a stronger and more

[7:48] effective community, a connected

[7:50] community. On behalf of everyone at

[7:52] Community Mediation Services, thank you

[7:55] for this proclamation and for your

[7:56] support. We're proud of our 40 years uh

[8:00] our 40-year history and we look forward

[8:01] to continuing to serve the community for

[8:03] many more years to come. Thank you.

[8:06] [applause]

[8:15] Thank you so much for that and

[8:17] congratulations on 40 years. That's that

[8:21] is amazing.

[8:23] Next up, we have a resolution, a very

[8:26] special um presentation, a resolution

[8:29] honoring Annette Puit for her service to

[8:32] Anderson County. Uh requested by Jeff

[8:35] Cole and Commissioner Michael Foster

[8:38] will be reading that. And

[8:39] >> we all know Annette's loving standing up

[8:41] here in front of all of us while I read

[8:42] this. So, I'm gonna take my time, go

[8:44] real slow for you, and let you enjoy

[8:47] this spotlight. Uh resolution number

[8:49] 2691277

[8:52] a resolution aring honoring Annette Puit

[8:54] for her service to Anderson County.

[8:57] Whereas Annette Puit has faithfully

[8:58] served Anderson County for over 30 years

[9:00] as an employee of the Anderson County

[9:02] Clerk's Office and has served as chief deputy, devoting her time and

[9:06] expertise to supporting the Anderson

[9:07] County Commission. And where whereas

[9:10] throughout her tenure with Anderson

[9:11] County, Miss Puit has provided dedicated

[9:13] and professional service and support of

[9:15] Anderson County Commission, its members,

[9:17] and the citizens of Anderson County. And

[9:19] whereas Miss Puit has been a valued

[9:20] resource to county commission, assisting

[9:22] that many administrative

[9:23] responsibilities of the commission and

[9:25] helping to ensure that the business of

[9:26] the county government is conducted

[9:28] efficiently and effectively. And whereas

[9:30] throughout her knowledge, experience,

[9:32] dependability, and commitment to public

[9:34] service, Miss Pru has made a significant

[9:36] contribution to the efficient operations

[9:38] of the Anderson County Commission.

[9:40] Anderson County government as a whole,

[9:41] and to the citizens of Anderson County.

[9:43] And whereas Miss Puit's years of service

[9:45] has earned her the respect and

[9:46] appreciation of the members of the

[9:48] Anderson County Commission, her

[9:49] co-workers, and the citizens she has

[9:51] served. And whereas after more than 30

[9:53] years of dedicated service, Miss Puit is

[9:55] retiring. And Anderson County Commission

[9:56] desires to recognize and express a

[9:58] sincere appreciation for her

[10:00] contributions, commitment to Anderson

[10:01] County. Now therefore, now therefore, be

[10:04] it resolved by the Anderson County Board

[10:06] of Commissioners meeting regular session

[10:08] on this the 21st day of September, 2026

[10:11] that Annette Puit is hereby honored and

[10:13] commended for her many years of faithful

[10:14] and dedicated service to Anderson County

[10:16] and Anderson County Commission and

[10:18] extends it sincere appreciation to Miss

[10:20] Puit for her professionalism,

[10:22] dedication, and service to the citizens

[10:24] of Anderson County and wish her a long,

[10:26] happy, and fulfillment retirement. Be it

[10:28] further resolved that a copy of this

[10:30] resolution be entered into the official

[10:31] minutes of the Anderson County

[10:32] Commission and the copy be presented to

[10:34] Net Puit as a token of county's

[10:36] gratitude and appreciation for our many

[10:38] years and dedicated service. Duly passed

[10:40] the chair Robert Mckame Terry Frank

[10:43] Mayor and Jeff Cole clerk.

[10:46] [applause]

[10:56] Okay, I'm not one to make a speech, but

[10:59] I do want to say that I have enjoyed

[11:00] working with all of you and I'm sorry

[11:03] that I'm not going to be able to work

[11:04] with the new people, but I just wish you

[11:06] all the luck and just keep county

[11:09] Anderson County moving forward.

[11:12] That's all.

[11:12] >> Congratulations. [applause]

[11:14] >> Thank you.

[11:16] >> And thank you. [applause]

[11:33] come that way.

[11:45] » Right here

[11:47] next to

[11:54] get in there.

[11:57] >> Okay,

[11:59] >> Tim, can you come get between

[12:04] [laughter]

[12:05] >> Oh, I'm sorry.

[12:10] [laughter]

[12:18] » Bring it on. Here we go. Here we go.

[12:22] >> We'll figure it out.

[12:23] >> All right. Just want to make sure I can

[12:25] see everybody.

[12:31] » And we're looking at me.

[12:33] >> One, two.

[12:45] >> Thank you.

[12:46] >> Congratulations. Well deserved.

[12:58] » [laughter]

[13:06] » Annette, thank you so much. You

[13:13] » She gone.

[13:14] >> Yeah, I think she's on her way out, but

[13:16] [laughter]

[13:18] Thank you, Annette.

[13:30] We have one more resolution. Uh we have

[13:33] a resolution resolution honoring country

[13:37] music icon

[13:39] the philanthropist

[13:41] and uh an East Tennessee native Miss

[13:44] Dolly Parton requested by Commissioner

[13:48] Isville.

[13:50] >> Madam Chair, Commissioner, thank you for

[13:52] your time. Dollar Legacy serves as an

[13:56] inspiration to all the extremely rural

[13:59] communities. No matter how oppressed you

[14:02] think you are through positive attitude

[14:05] and determination,

[14:07] you can do anything with your life that

[14:09] you choose, that you set your mind to.

[14:12] And thank you, mayor, for putting this

[14:13] together.

[14:15] Anderson County, Tennessee Board of

[14:16] Commissioners resolution number

[14:17] 26091278.

[14:20] A resolution honoring country music icon

[14:23] philanthropist and East Tennessee native

[14:25] Dolly Parton. Whereas Dolly Parton was

[14:27] born an hour and a half from Clinton,

[14:29] Tennessee in Seir County's Locust Ridge

[14:31] on January 19th, 1946.

[14:34] She passed away in Nashville, Tennessee

[14:36] on August 25, 2026. And whereas Dolly

[14:40] Parton attained wide ranging career

[14:42] success, becoming known as the queen of

[14:45] country music and winning 11 Grammys

[14:48] with 25 number one hits and numerous

[14:50] popular songs and appearing more than a

[14:52] dozen films. And whereas in 1986, she

[14:56] opened a Dollarwood theme park, which is

[14:58] Tennessee's most visited tourist

[14:59] attraction with 23,000 jobs,

[15:03] drawing 4 million visitors each year and

[15:05] added nearly two billion a year to the

[15:07] local economy. And whereas her business

[15:10] enterprises included the My Life of Many

[15:14] Colors Museum, the Dolly Parton Songt

[15:16] Hotel, a line of food products, dinner

[15:18] theaters, truck stop, and other

[15:20] ventures. And whereas 1995 she launched

[15:23] Dolly Parton's Imagination Library in

[15:26] Seir County, Tennessee, which has

[15:28] distributed more than 330 million free

[15:31] books to children from birth to age 5

[15:34] across the United States, including

[15:35] nearly 750,000 in Anderson County,

[15:38] Tennessee.

[15:40] Since its inception, the book gifting

[15:41] program has expanded internationally to

[15:43] Canada, the United Kingdom, Australia,

[15:46] and the Republic of Ireland. Whereas as

[15:48] a giver at heart, Dolly Parton raised $9

[15:50] million to help severe county families

[15:52] that were impacted by the 2016

[15:54] wildfires. And in 204 2024, she

[15:57] personally gave 1 million to help

[15:58] Tennessee flood victims affected by

[16:00] hurricane Helen. She created the buddy

[16:03] program within the Dollarwood

[16:04] Foundation, pledging $500 to se every

[16:07] seventh and eighth grader, Severe County

[16:10] who graduated high school. And whereas

[16:12] having first appeared on stage at the

[16:14] Grand Old Opry in July 1959, Dolly

[16:17] Parton was inducted as a Grand Opry

[16:19] member on January 4th, 1969, she went on

[16:22] to become a member of both the country

[16:23] music and Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and

[16:26] Billboard named her as the greatest

[16:27] country artist of all time in 2024. Now

[16:30] therefore, it be resolved meeting in

[16:32] regular session on Monday, September

[16:33] 21st, 2026, that we, the Anderson County

[16:36] Board of Commissioners and County Mayor

[16:37] Terry Frank, do do hereby professibly

[16:40] recognize and honor Dolly Parton, not

[16:42] only for her legacy of music and songs,

[16:45] but also for her passion for supporting

[16:47] children's literacy, her long-standing

[16:49] philanthropy commitments and the

[16:51] positive and lasting impacts her life

[16:53] has had on the people of Anderson

[16:55] County, East Tennessee, and around the

[16:56] world. resolved and approved this as

[16:57] 21st day of September 2026. Robert Ky

[17:01] commission chairman Terry Frankers

[17:03] County Mayor and Jeff Coers County

[17:04] Clerk. Thank you. [applause]

[17:15] Thank you, Commissioner Isel. I know

[17:18] everybody's got a Dolly story. So, u my

[17:21] daughter actually worked at Dollywood

[17:23] one one season as a child performer. So

[17:26] whenever Miss Dolly was in the park,

[17:28] there was just electricity everywhere.

[17:30] and people were were looking

[17:32] to see her. And so again, that's my

[17:35] Dolly story. [laughter]

[17:37] I got to meet her a couple times uh

[17:39] through through Lily's performing.

[17:42] With that, I think we will stand in

[17:45] adjournment until 6:30.

[17:50] » Was a child

[18:01] Yes, sir.

[18:25] We should not have

[18:32] » two.

[18:42] Okay.

[18:51] Hello darling. Yes. Yes. Yes. That would

[18:55] be

[19:01] [laughter]

[19:03] » Thank you. Thank you so much.

[19:17] Oh, absolutely, absolutely. Thank you so

[19:20] much.

[19:30] We'll

[19:44] hang around.

[20:29] All right.

[21:09] What's going on here?

[23:14] Yes, sir.

[24:05] That wasn't good.

[27:10] I'll show you

[27:16] totally

[27:32] Amy said that

[27:35] he wants to make sure it's not a junior.

[28:11] There's a com.

[28:13] Okay.

[28:28] should be

[28:35] » correct.

[28:37] >> Okay.

[28:53] supposed to be

[29:11] your

[29:15] I don't think there's anything

[29:25] allows

[29:42] former member

[29:49] » I don't remember who all the

[29:50] commissioners were

[30:00] September 21st 26

[30:03] meeting of the Anderson County Board of

[30:05] Commissioners to order.

[30:08] We've got 14 members present.

[30:11] Uh first we'll take up the have prayer

[30:15] by Commissioner Val and then the pledge

[30:18] of allegiance by Commissioner Juan Dill.

[30:23] [clears throat]

[30:26] » Heavenly Father, we come to you tonight

[30:28] to honor you and praise you and thank

[30:30] you Lord for salvation. To thank you

[30:32] Lord for all the blessings that you give

[30:34] us so freely each and every day. We ask

[30:37] Lord that you forgive us of our sins

[30:39] times that we fall so short of your

[30:41] glory that we fail you each and every

[30:43] day. We ask Lord that you be with us

[30:45] tonight. We ask Father that you guide us

[30:48] in the decisions that you would have us

[30:49] to make to do what's right in your

[30:51] sight. All this we ask in Jesus holy

[30:54] name. Amen.

[30:55] >> Amen.

[31:01] Pledge

[31:03] to the flag of the United States of

[31:05] America and to the republic for which it

[31:08] stands. One nation under God,

[31:12] indivisible, with liberty and justice

[31:14] for all.

[31:17] [clears throat]

[31:23] Next item is appearance of citizens for

[31:26] anything any item that is on or off the

[31:28] agenda. And I'd like to call on Miss

[31:31] Louise Macau

[31:34] first want to speak to the commission.

[31:48] I only have three minutes. Um I have

[31:54] written out

[31:56] my speech for you. Um and um

[32:02] the last two prayer requests are um

[32:06] really important. But um other than that

[32:11] um I I am Louis and I live at 34.

[32:23] I am the chair of the industa

[32:39] coordinator who is the best coordinator

[32:43] we ever had.

[32:45] Don't let him go. Um, I have been on it

[32:50] for almost

[32:53] three decades because Commissioner

[32:57] Jerry

[32:59] um asked me to be on it and

[33:04] made the comm the chair and um then four

[33:10] or five years later

[33:14] has made the B of the chair.

[33:17] Um

[33:19] mostly we surveyed

[33:24] and dealt with low and medium plus

[33:30] and I'm so nervous

[33:33] why this is important.

[33:36] One in three Tennesseeians have a

[33:39] disability

[33:41] and I'm one of them. Um,

[33:46] one day, um, a decade ago, the um,

[33:51] someone from the US highway

[33:55] administration

[33:57] knocked

[33:59] door

[34:04] [laughter] and she put me up, do I have

[34:09] do we have a plan? Um they

[34:14] lifted our courthouse parking lot. Um if

[34:19] we had co and toed drops over them and

[34:27] painted sidewalks and pestic

[34:35] entrance

[34:38] and they said if you don't face this

[34:43] at a certain time we may eventually like

[34:48] pull your highway buttons and that is

[34:53] really

[34:54] not

[34:58] really.

[35:01] Um, we have someone to do a survey for

[35:05] our county owned business for the

[35:09] library that the county funds and 28

[35:15] pulling locations.

[35:18] We are not the only county

[35:21] or city where this had been done. Um

[35:28] [clears throat] the USA

[35:32] highway administration is doing it in

[35:36] all counties and middle size cities in

[35:42] this nation.

[35:44] [sighs]

[35:45] We

[35:46] um

[35:49] we have to send um what we done and it's

[35:55] close every 3 years to the state

[36:00] department of transportation

[36:03] when May is a grant for the state of

[36:10] Tennessee for health health for the

[36:15] health department.

[36:19] So, um you can read or

[36:24] thank him. Thank you.

[36:40] Louise. Anybody else would

[36:42] like to address the commission?

[36:45] Yes, sir.

[36:48] State your name and address, please.

[36:52] My name is Christian Breeden. I reside

[36:54] at 5020 Laurel Woods Drive in Knoxville,

[36:57] Tennessee. I am the co-founder and

[37:00] president of a nonprofit voter education

[37:02] called Volunteer Patriots. We have for

[37:04] sort of been at the forefront of the uh

[37:07] flock and ALPR issue in Knox County. and

[37:10] we also spoke at the uh town hall a

[37:13] couple of weeks ago. I have a few other

[37:15] additional points that I didn't get to at the town hall that I'd like to

[37:19] get to today. In particular, a couple of

[37:22] things that the Flock representative

[37:23] stated about their cameras capabilities.

[37:25] The Flock representative stated that the

[37:27] cameras do not have facial recognition

[37:29] technology and they are not used to

[37:32] detect analyze humans. This is false.

[37:36] They do. US patent 10795933b1

[37:41] specifically states that these cameras

[37:43] are used and are supposed to detect

[37:45] vehicles and humans to detect and

[37:48] analyze them. Meaning that the AI that

[37:50] is powering these cameras are detecting

[37:53] you. They are cataloging you and they

[37:55] are taking account of everything you are

[37:56] doing and everything you are wearing. On

[37:59] top of that, they also stated that the

[38:03] cameras

[38:05] uh if you'll excuse

[38:07] this uh little confused, my sugar's a

[38:10] little high, so bear with me. Um the

[38:13] cameras do not have the capability of

[38:15] tracking specific bumper stickers that

[38:17] they simply track that a car has bumper

[38:20] stickers. Now, take this with a grain of

[38:22] salt, but there was a group recently who

[38:24] illegally obtained data from a camera

[38:27] that they took down from their local

[38:29] jurisdiction and discovered that not

[38:31] only can they detect the bumper

[38:33] stickers, they can detect what type of

[38:35] bumper sticker? The one example they

[38:37] gave was the American flag. If these

[38:40] cameras can detect the American flag as

[38:42] part of a bumper sticker, they are able

[38:44] to detect other factors on bumper

[38:46] stickers. Meaning that if you have a

[38:48] particular candidate's information on a

[38:50] sticker, if you have a particular party,

[38:52] a or a particular political stance, it

[38:55] can track that. More to the point, I

[38:58] would like to read very quickly from our

[39:00] state constitution, the Tennessee State

[39:02] Constitution, Article 1, Section 7. It

[39:06] is like the Fourth Amendment, but with a

[39:07] very clear distinction. that the people

[39:09] shall be secure in their persons,

[39:11] houses, papers, and possessions from

[39:13] unreasonable searches and seizures. And

[39:15] that general warrants whereby an officer

[39:18] may be commanded to search suspected

[39:20] license or suspected places without

[39:22] evidence of the fact uh committed or to

[39:25] seize any person or persons not named

[39:27] whose off who offenses are not

[39:28] particularly described and supported by

[39:30] evidence. We could go into the history

[39:32] of the Fourth Amendment and the court

[39:33] case that spawned the Fourth Amendment,

[39:36] but in my opinion, and the law director

[39:38] may be able to speak to this, this means

[39:40] that if there is not a specific warrant

[39:42] being used with these cameras, these

[39:44] cameras are in fact being operated

[39:46] illegally by essentially being general

[39:48] warrants on the public for surveillance.

[39:50] Thank you for your time. May God bless

[39:52] each of you.

[39:58] » Anybody else? Yes, sir.

[40:05] Hello, I'm James [clears throat] Arthur.

[40:08] I live on 100 Delmare in Oakidge. I also

[40:11] wanted to speak about the flock cameras.

[40:13] I watched the video of the uh operating

[40:16] commit committee's meeting at Clinton

[40:19] High School and it was I watched it

[40:21] several times and

[40:24] uh I heard the sheriff say that we have

[40:27] no expectation of privacy on a public

[40:29] road

[40:32] and in a in an sense way. Of course we

[40:36] expect people can see us and we might go

[40:38] by a sheriff and that's fine. We want

[40:40] the sheriffs to be out on the road. What

[40:42] we never expected though would be that

[40:44] they had some electronic apparatus and

[40:46] were cataloging every single transaction

[40:49] everywhere we went several times a day.

[40:52] We never had an expectation of that.

[40:55] We expected that we would say hi to the

[40:58] sheriff and then if we were doing

[41:00] something wrong, he might write us down

[41:02] or chase us, right?

[41:04] And once this information is collected,

[41:06] uh it never goes away. bad people can do

[41:09] bad things with it in the future or it

[41:12] can be hacked. It can wind up in China.

[41:15] So [clears throat] I really feel like

[41:16] the they are a violation of the fourth

[41:19] amendment because we are collecting data

[41:22] on people to search uh that have done

[41:26] nothing wrong and aren't suspected of

[41:28] any crime without a warrant.

[41:31] And I just feel that that's

[41:34] people don't like being watched and they

[41:37] don't like being spied upon.

[41:40] Try looking at your dog. Just stare at your dog. Your dog won't

[41:45] like it. Well, we don't like it either.

[41:48] So uh I wanted to with some apologies

[41:52] say uh two roads diverged in a yellow

[41:56] wood and sorry I could not travel both

[41:59] and be one traveler long I stood and

[42:03] looked down one to where it bent in the

[42:05] undergrowth

[42:08] and then I saw there were these flock

[42:09] cameras and I took the other road.

[42:11] [laughter]

[42:12] Thank you.

[42:15] Anybody else?

[42:19] Yes, sir.

[42:30] My name is Nathan Mullins. I'm from

[42:31] Oakidge.

[42:33] This year, there will be 5,000 requests

[42:37] expected nationally for ICE searches

[42:41] using APLR devices. according to the

[42:45] immigration policy tracking project.

[42:48] That itself adds to the debate over the

[42:51] purpose of this mandated mass

[42:53] surveillance being pushed by government

[42:56] DHS.

[42:58] For example, they sent me a letter when

[43:01] I was cited for rolling through a stop

[43:03] sign stating that they could double the

[43:05] points put on my license if I was

[43:09] suspected of doing it again.

[43:12] There's the problem.

[43:14] DHS incentivizes making it legal to

[43:17] gather suspected evidence with new tech,

[43:22] all the while profiteering by using

[43:24] taxpayer funds.

[43:27] Are you innocent until proven guilty?

[43:30] Your fourth amendment protections from

[43:32] profiling are Pay

[43:35] with the new directives from DHS and

[43:37] Palanteer.

[43:39] Ultimately, flock systems are selling

[43:42] the whereabouts of any particular

[43:44] individual to the government, good, bad,

[43:47] or indifferent.

[43:49] The database, like cell phone data, is

[43:53] what's for sale. The Supreme Court

[43:55] recently protected phone tracking, but

[43:58] they are less likely to consider what

[44:01] APLR systems are collecting because the

[44:04] feds are going to prejudice the argument

[44:06] based on increased pressure from the

[44:09] next generation of the Patriot Act,

[44:11] which is Palunteers tracking

[44:13] technologies from which there are

[44:16] inadequate constitutional protections.

[44:20] Finally, there is plenty of evidence

[44:23] that all this warrantless access is

[44:26] stemming from excessive government

[44:28] overreach.

[44:30] This year's 200,000 goal of Palunteer's

[44:34] new camera platform is not an accident.

[44:38] I'm proud that we're heard at recent

[44:41] public forums by a real mayor that

[44:44] represents our conservative voter base.

[44:47] Can our established political classes

[44:50] move forward and share the unonyimity

[44:53] the public has shown?

[44:56] Also taking a stand on what the majority

[44:58] of citizens of this county want. Thank

[45:02] you.

[45:05] » Thank you. Anybody else? Yes, sir.

[45:12] » State your name and address, please.

[45:15] Chairman McKenna, I'm uh Tommy Mariner.

[45:18] I live at 11 Hawthorne Place in Norris,

[45:20] Tennessee. Uh Mayor Frank,

[45:23] commissioners, uh I was at a library

[45:26] board meeting on uh last month and one

[45:30] of the gentlemen stood up and talked

[45:32] about the various things that have been

[45:33] done in the library board for the past

[45:35] year under the current leadership.

[45:38] and he asked uh as a library employee uh

[45:43] what could be done, what were the

[45:46] accountability for the hostility that

[45:49] was being uh shown toward the library

[45:52] directors and the violations of state

[45:55] law that were taking place. And uh

[45:58] nobody answered it, but I do have an

[46:00] answer. this body can hold accountable

[46:04] the leadership of the Anderson County

[46:07] Library Board and you do it by replacing

[46:10] the person that represents the board on

[46:13] the library. Uh I listened to him say at

[46:16] our your last meeting that when he was

[46:18] put on the board, he told people he was

[46:20] going to change things and he has. He's

[46:23] taken our board from one of the most

[46:24] efficient and respected in the state to

[46:28] the least efficient. uh we don't answer

[46:30] our mail on time and uh we're being

[46:34] sued.

[46:36] Uh he also wants to substitute his

[46:40] personal prejudices

[46:42] uh toward that of our library directors

[46:45] who are trained in the art of trying to

[46:49] open up libraries and maintain a curated

[46:52] uh collection uh that has some reading

[46:56] materials for everybody.

[46:59] uh y'all are the people that put him on

[47:01] there. There's a new group of uh people

[47:03] that are here and I'd like you to

[47:05] consider changing the person that's on

[47:07] the library uh board from this

[47:10] commission to somebody that does care

[47:13] about the library and understands that

[47:17] the library is for everybody's opinions,

[47:20] everybody's reading and there is a right

[47:22] for people to read uh not just those

[47:25] people who have a certain viewpoint.

[47:28] Uh, I'm going to go to uh Bible study.

[47:31] Uh, I won't be around. You guys are not

[47:33] going to take any action tonight, but if

[47:35] anybody has any questions for me, I'll

[47:36] be glad to answer them now or anytime.

[47:39] I've been on the library board uh this

[47:42] is my last year, and I'd like to see us

[47:44] go back to the old standard of

[47:47] >> uh following uh state law and the uh

[47:51] right to read. Thank you.

[47:53] >> Thank you. [applause]

[47:56] Anybody

[47:59] else?

[48:03] If not, we'll close this portion and

[48:05] move on. Uh, next is the approval and

[48:08] correction of the agendas. First off is

[48:11] the consent agenda.

[48:13] >> Yeah, I got I'll do a motion to approve,

[48:15] but there is a correction on the

[48:17] notaries. There was a double list of

[48:19] name. It was just typo. So,

[48:22] you remember the names?

[48:24] >> Sorry. But they've got it correct.

[48:27] They've got it corrected. But there is

[48:29] twi two names on there listed twice. We

[48:31] only need them listed once. If you'll

[48:33] give me a second, I pull the name up.

[48:35] >> On number 11, I have a correction.

[48:41] I'm the cap that was

[48:48] the name Stan Russell hatmaker. It's

[48:50] listed twice. So just correct that on

[48:52] the consent agenda on the notaries.

[48:56] She's talking about on the regular

[48:57] agenda, right?

[49:01] » On the consent agenda. Which one?

[49:05] >> Oh, on the minutes.

[49:06] >> Okay.

[49:08] >> So, your motion is to approve with that

[49:10] one change.

[49:11] >> And

[49:12] she got changed in the minutes. Is that

[49:14] correct?

[49:15] >> Did what?

[49:16] >> Yes.

[49:17] >> Okay.

[49:19] Second by Commissioner Cap.

[49:22] Any discussion?

[49:25] If not, I'll fail the motion. Leave it.

[49:27] But no saying. Oh, go ahead.

[49:28] >> Um, is this just to approve the consent

[49:30] or the regular

[49:31] >> consent? Consent. Thank you.

[49:37] » Okay. I have a motion, second. Any

[49:39] discussion? If not, all in favor of the

[49:41] motion, leave a number saying I.

[49:43] >> Any opposed? Motion carried. Next is on

[49:46] the regular agenda

[49:49] and I've got three additions or two

[49:51] additions. U

[49:55] one is a letter from the

[49:58] county law director uh reference to

[50:01] flock camera.

[50:03] Uh that I think should go maybe to

[50:06] operations and put it under operations

[50:10] >> budget

[50:12] for discussion.

[50:14] >> Yeah. monetary thing. I guess you could

[50:16] put it either.

[50:17] >> I think it needs to be brought up under

[50:19] operations and it could be referred to

[50:21] wherever if there's any action to be

[50:23] taken by but we'll put it under

[50:25] operations to begin with.

[50:27] >> But u law director's report.

[50:30] >> Yeah, we could do that.

[50:32] >> Let everybody get that.

[50:34] >> I'll make a motion to approve the

[50:36] agenda.

[50:37] >> Uh one more. The mayor's asked that we

[50:40] put the uh flood control map. It's some

[50:43] wording. This is a This is one that we

[50:46] approved several months back, the flood map, but

[50:52] they wanted in

[50:54] some language change here on the

[50:57] numbers. Instead of just an exhibit, we

[50:59] have to list all those. So,

[51:03] you have a problem with that motion?

[51:06] >> Okay.

[51:10] Is this the same motion?

[51:12] >> This is a new one.

[51:14] >> Okay. Uh, Commissioner Wales. Um,

[51:18] >> yes. I'd like to ask that we consider

[51:20] adding to the agenda the consideration

[51:22] of adding Phil Joerger to the ATL large

[51:24] seat on the finance committee. I think

[51:25] you all got the email from Amy last

[51:26] week. Um, former Commissioner Joerger

[51:29] actually sent the email request over a

[51:31] month ago um to the office. It got lost

[51:33] in translation. So, he reiterated this

[51:35] week to me. Um, so if we could I'd like

[51:37] to make a motion that we consider adding

[51:39] that to the regular agenda as well.

[51:41] >> Okay.

[51:41] >> Go to that.

[51:44] >> And it was actually from the first we

[51:46] ref we referred that to this meeting

[51:48] today. It just didn't get put on the

[51:50] agenda.

[51:52] >> Commissioner Palmer.

[51:54] >> Sorry. I made a motion that we add that.

[51:56] Does that need to be taken up at this

[51:58] point or

[51:58] >> we just add it to the agenda?

[52:01] >> I mean, he's got a motion and a second

[52:02] to approve the agenda. So, we'd have to

[52:05] just add these. Commissioner Palmer.

[52:08] >> Yes, sir. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Um, I

[52:11] think under um the operations I'll ask

[52:14] the operations chair. I think there's a

[52:16] couple of motions that were not picked

[52:18] up on the agenda. Um motion to approve

[52:21] the uh TNCP

[52:24] >> that that's on there. I wrote in there.

[52:26] >> Okay. And then the

[52:27] >> passport for the full commission.

[52:28] >> Okay. And then the motion to approve the

[52:31] strategic planning workshop. I put it on

[52:33] there as well. Motion passed forward

[52:35] commission.

[52:35] >> So you you've added it. It's not on our

[52:38] agenda.

[52:38] >> Well, it just says well how it was

[52:40] stated.

[52:41] >> I guess this is where we've changed

[52:43] secretaries or so. But usually when it's

[52:46] approved and it's an action item, it

[52:48] will say passed forward to full

[52:49] commission for approval.

[52:51] >> Okay.

[52:51] >> So she just put that it was passed

[52:53] unanimously. So I put on there that

[52:56] motion [snorts] passed forward to full

[52:57] commission for Okay. So, I was going to

[52:59] read that that way in the report.

[53:02] >> It's just a matter, you know, some new

[53:04] people.

[53:04] >> I just wanted to make sure that the

[53:06] strategic planning workshop was um

[53:09] >> Yes.

[53:10] >> included [snorts] was pushed to this

[53:11] body. Thank you.

[53:13] >> Good. And the other one is the Clarkson

[53:17] school. Amy sent that out, but it's not

[53:19] on the agenda. So, that needs to be

[53:20] taken up under appointments to

[53:23] >> the task force. Commission Mr. Wando.

[53:26] >> Uh,

[53:27] >> do we need to add Mayor had a request

[53:30] for us to add that letter or is that

[53:32] already covered under the U motion to

[53:35] have the law director look at it or

[53:37] >> mayor

[53:38] >> lost Sham?

[53:39] >> Yeah.

[53:39] >> Yes. Okay.

[53:40] >> That's the same thing, right?

[53:42] >> Okay.

[53:42] >> That's what I was thinking. And then I I

[53:44] thought and I'm open to the idea, but I

[53:47] thought we have a nominating committee

[53:49] was moved to the operations committee.

[53:51] And I don't understand why we would be

[53:53] taking up um people from the floor

[53:56] without it going to [snorts] the

[53:57] operations committee. So the finance

[53:59] committee, in my opinion, that motion

[54:01] should go to the operations committee to

[54:03] be taken up because that has been moved

[54:06] to the uh nominating committee since we

[54:09] did away with it several years ago. And

[54:11] uh so if I'm gonna have to vote on it

[54:13] tonight, I'm gonna vote against it

[54:14] because [clears throat]

[54:15] I don't think we're giving the

[54:16] opportunity to anybody uh to participate

[54:20] in that. And I think we need to give

[54:22] fair uh opportunity to all to to fill

[54:25] that position.

[54:30] » Uh we dissolve the nomination committee.

[54:33] We didn't put in operation. It just come

[54:35] all nominations come to full commission.

[54:37] So we can defer it, but all nominations

[54:40] are handled by a full commission. That's

[54:41] we was and it got referred to us on the

[54:45] September 1st meeting. We didn't take up

[54:47] the finance committee because we did

[54:48] have a citizen that applied. So we

[54:50] referred it to this meeting to take up

[54:52] the finance committee.

[54:53] >> So all nominations come to full

[54:55] commission to be acted upon.

[54:57] >> Yep.

[54:57] >> Wow. I didn't know that.

[55:01] » Mr. Caps.

[55:03] >> Okay. I'm on the right agenda. Um, on

[55:05] the regular agenda on page 11, I just

[55:07] wanted to correct that I'm I'm the capaw

[55:10] that withdrew the request from rules

[55:12] committee

[55:18] as sapshaw. Just a correction.

[55:41] That's it.

[55:56] make that part of your motion.

[55:58] >> Yeah, I'm good with that. I'm good with

[55:59] all the changes that have been added.

[56:05] » Okay. Is there any further discussion?

[56:10] If not, all in favor of approval of this

[56:12] agenda as amended by saying I.

[56:16] >> I.

[56:16] >> Any opposed? Motion carried. Next, we'll

[56:20] have the public hearing report of Vice

[56:22] Chairman Mander.

[56:25] >> Thank you, Chairman. Earlier this

[56:28] evening, we did have a uh public hearing

[56:31] to discuss the reszoning

[56:36] uh or the sorry, a resolution to amend

[56:39] the zoning regulations of Anderson

[56:41] County, Tennessee by reszoning partial

[56:44] 081.00 00 Anderson County Tax Map 032

[56:50] from I2 Heavy Industrial District to R1

[56:54] Suburban Residential District.

[57:00] We'll need a motion to approve. Okay,

[57:06] second.

[57:08] >> Okay, we have a motion and a second to

[57:10] approve reszoning. Any discussion?

[57:15] If not, I'll favor the motion by saying

[57:17] I. I.

[57:18] >> Any opposed? Motion carried.

[57:21] >> Next [clears throat] item is a letter of

[57:22] notice. Uh this was sent out by

[57:26] our county clerk about the vacancy that

[57:30] we as a county commission need to accept

[57:34] vacancy

[57:36] that exists on this county commission.

[57:41] So you need a motion to accept.

[57:42] >> Yes.

[57:46] » Have a motion to accept the resignation

[57:49] or the vacancy and seconded by

[57:53] Commissioner Pack. Any discussion?

[58:02] Commissioner Palmer.

[58:03] >> Thank you, Mr. Chair. I just have a

[58:05] couple questions. Um, so do we have a

[58:09] vacancy at this moment or will we only

[58:12] have a vacancy when we approve this?

[58:16] >> We had a vacancy in my opinion. I'll let

[58:19] the law director give his opinion.

[58:22] You know, opinions are kind of like

[58:24] belly buttons. Everybody's got one. So,

[58:25] I'll let the mayor I mean the law

[58:28] director go ahead and give his opinion.

[58:30] >> Commissioner, you had a vacancy as of

[58:33] 12:01 a.m. September 1. that vacancy uh

[58:38] has not been filled.

[58:39] >> Okay.

[58:40] >> And remains open.

[58:42] >> So this vote tonight is for

[58:45] >> it's I think it's something that the

[58:47] commission I think the statute says

[58:49] shell it's uh basically confirming the

[58:53] vacancy should commission wish to move

[58:57] ahead with an appointment.

[58:59] uh it had there has to be a declaration

[59:01] of the vacancy but the notice of vacancy

[59:04] would have gone out by uh Jeff Cole on

[59:07] the first.

[59:09] >> Okay. So if if this com this body wants

[59:13] to move ahead with an appointment I

[59:17] thought there was an election

[59:18] >> there is

[59:19] >> November 8th

[59:20] >> there is you would be you have the right

[59:23] to appoint it's going to be for a very

[59:25] limited time.

[59:27] >> Okay. Um, is this letter that we

[59:30] received is it a form letter?

[59:32] >> No, it's one it's not a form letter in

[59:35] the fact that uh I prepared it. You will

[59:39] see there are blanks in the letter

[59:41] because I didn't know who the

[59:42] commissioner was at the time I drafted

[59:44] it.

[59:44] >> Okay.

[59:45] >> Um,

[59:46] >> did Mrs. Henry request that form letter?

[59:51] >> It was requested. I did not speak

[59:53] directly with her until after the letter

[59:56] was signed. believe it was a chairman of

[59:58] the Democratic Party that contacted me.

[1:00:00] >> Oh, interesting. Who would that be?

[1:00:03] >> Oh gosh.

[1:00:04] >> Chase Lindsay.

[1:00:06] >> Okay.

[1:00:07] >> All right. Um,

[1:00:11] so I was just a little confused about

[1:00:13] the vacancy and the election. So, who

[1:00:16] made the decision

[1:00:18] to put this on the ballot for November

[1:00:20] the 8th?

[1:00:21] >> That would have been your election

[1:00:22] commission.

[1:00:23] >> The election commissioner did. Okay. and

[1:00:25] he I'm sure he has TCA to back up his

[1:00:29] decision.

[1:00:30] >> I mean, they have a copy of that letter.

[1:00:33] Um, he's been he talked to me early on,

[1:00:36] but he's been in communication with

[1:00:37] attorneys for the election commission in

[1:00:40] Nashville, as I understand it.

[1:00:42] >> Okay. It's just a little confusing that

[1:00:44] we we are now kind of seems like we've

[1:00:47] got the cart before the horse here and

[1:00:51] it's feeling like a rubber stamp for

[1:00:53] tonight. So, I just wanted to kind of

[1:00:55] clear that [clears throat] up a little

[1:00:56] bit. I've had several questions.

[1:00:58] >> I I mean, whatever questions you have,

[1:01:00] Commissioner, I'll I'll do my best.

[1:01:02] >> Well, I mean, I've had several questions

[1:01:03] that I could not answer. That's why I'm

[1:01:05] asking some of these.

[1:01:07] >> Um, also, I was curious as to this

[1:01:09] letter was dated August 31st. Correct.

[1:01:12] >> I was wondering why it took two weeks to

[1:01:14] notify commission of her intent to not

[1:01:18] take the position.

[1:01:20] >> That is a question you would have to ask

[1:01:21] Miss Henry. I do not know the answer.

[1:01:23] >> Oh, okay. So, um I think it was the

[1:01:27] Anderson County clerk that sent out the

[1:01:28] letter to us. That's correct. It took

[1:01:30] two weeks to

[1:01:33] >> to uh inform commission. I know we heard

[1:01:37] through the grapevine and all of that,

[1:01:38] but

[1:01:39] >> just the process and procedures. I'm

[1:01:41] just trying to

[1:01:42] >> right the um when the letter was

[1:01:46] returned

[1:01:49] >> time.

[1:01:50] >> There's no time on questions. This is

[1:01:52] only for um it's my understanding.

[1:01:59] » Commissioner, when the letter arrived

[1:02:01] back at my office, it came from Ms.

[1:02:04] Henry

[1:02:05] >> from her email address.

[1:02:08] A copy was forwarded to

[1:02:11] you as chairman of the commission.

[1:02:14] >> A copy was sent to Jeff Cole and a copy

[1:02:17] was sent to Mark Stevens. Now, the

[1:02:20] letter came back addressed to uh the

[1:02:23] five election commissioners. That was a

[1:02:25] change that was made to the letter from

[1:02:27] what I sent out.

[1:02:28] >> Okay.

[1:02:30] All right. Thank you for clearing that

[1:02:31] up.

[1:02:35] » I just have one question. So, if Miss

[1:02:38] Henry walks in right now and says, "I

[1:02:40] want to take my seat and get sworn in."

[1:02:41] Could she do it?

[1:02:42] >> She could do it

[1:02:43] >> until we vote on this

[1:02:44] >> until you until you accept. I don't know

[1:02:47] if you call it a resignation. She didn't

[1:02:49] what's she resigning from? She never

[1:02:50] qualified to take the office. So, it's a

[1:02:53] refusal to serve or declination to

[1:02:56] serve.

[1:02:58] And you can call it a you can call it a

[1:03:01] resignation if you'd like, but I think

[1:03:04] it's important that commission take some

[1:03:06] action to shift the burden from

[1:03:08] commission to Miss Henry should she

[1:03:10] change her mind.

[1:03:17] most unusual circumstance,

[1:03:21] >> but it's not it's not unprecedented.

[1:03:23] >> Uh there what was very helpful to me was

[1:03:26] a 1984 Supreme Court decision.

[1:03:29] >> Okay,

[1:03:31] Mr. Chairman, I will yield my time to

[1:03:33] Commissioner Palmer for any questions

[1:03:34] she has further.

[1:03:36] >> Um I I'm okay with the No,

[1:03:38] >> you Mr. Chairman, there's no yielding of

[1:03:40] time.

[1:03:41] >> This isn't Congress.

[1:03:44] We got three minutes. We got three

[1:03:45] minutes. It's the chairman's discretion

[1:03:47] to allow commissioners to talk. So, Mr.

[1:03:50] Chairman, this this this item is Mr.

[1:03:52] Chairman,

[1:03:53] >> this item is not on the agenda. We need to get down to business. If we

[1:03:57] want to have a discussion about uh the

[1:04:00] chairmanship, we need to call a

[1:04:01] different meeting for that. That that ship has sailed and we need to move

[1:04:05] on and get down to business.

[1:04:08] >> Mr. Chairman, I would respectfully

[1:04:09] request that you allow me to yield my

[1:04:11] time. Yeah, go ahead.

[1:04:13] >> Go ahead.

[1:04:13] >> Thank you.

[1:04:14] >> I I don't have any further

[1:04:16] [clears throat] questions, Mr. Chairman.

[1:04:17] This has nothing to do with the

[1:04:18] chairmanship. I'm trying to understand

[1:04:21] how where we're at

[1:04:23] >> um in this vacancy. This is not

[1:04:28] unprecedented, but it's unusual for us.

[1:04:31] And that's all I was trying to get to

[1:04:32] was how what happens what happens next.

[1:04:36] And commission's been kind of kept in

[1:04:38] the dark about this. We've not had any

[1:04:40] formal um

[1:04:43] any kind of formal communication from

[1:04:46] those in it. It's all been through

[1:04:48] social media and word of mouth. So

[1:04:51] that's that's all that was about.

[1:04:53] >> Commissioner Palmer, I disagree. Uh we

[1:04:55] had a special call meeting on September

[1:04:57] the 1st and the law director informed us

[1:05:00] then that there was a vacancy and that

[1:05:02] the commission was a 15 member

[1:05:04] commission until

[1:05:06] you know we took action and that's what

[1:05:09] we're doing tonight because we didn't do

[1:05:11] it on September 1st. It was not on the

[1:05:13] agenda. Uh but this is the first meeting

[1:05:16] we've had. So we're taking that action

[1:05:20] tonight to clear this up and actually

[1:05:23] declare the vacancy. So,

[1:05:25] >> thank you, Mr. Chair.

[1:05:26] >> Accept the vacancy.

[1:05:27] >> I I do not all that could be discussed

[1:05:30] on September 1st was what was on that

[1:05:32] agenda. So, we did not discuss it.

[1:05:34] >> A couple of people did get a letter

[1:05:37] 4:30, 5:00, August 31st. It was not

[1:05:41] discussed on September 1st, but I've not

[1:05:44] had any emails or anything, but I will I

[1:05:48] respect your opinion. That's fine. Thank

[1:05:50] you.

[1:05:51] >> Thank you.

[1:05:52] >> Anybody else?

[1:05:55] If not, all in favor of the motion, let

[1:05:56] me know by saying I.

[1:05:58] >> I.

[1:05:58] >> Any opposed?

[1:06:00] >> Motion carried. Now,

[1:06:03] >> next item is appointments.

[1:06:11] Civil service board appointment

[1:06:12] reapport.

[1:06:15] Is that uh that's something you're going

[1:06:18] to handle, mayor? Um I think those first

[1:06:21] appointments there um

[1:06:24] those were sent to I mean those were not

[1:06:27] my appointments. So those are um I know

[1:06:31] the sheriff looked at those and I think

[1:06:34] he submitted those because their terms

[1:06:36] had all expired and so that's just for um he doesn't make those

[1:06:42] appointments either but that those folks

[1:06:44] that are currently serving are willing

[1:06:46] to continue serving. So,

[1:06:50] >> is there a motion to approve those two

[1:06:52] under service board?

[1:06:55] >> I have a motion on the second. Any

[1:06:58] discussion?

[1:07:02] » Who makes those appointments? You said

[1:07:03] it wasn't you or the the sheriff. Who

[1:07:05] makes those appointments?

[1:07:06] >> Commission makes those appointments.

[1:07:08] >> Okay.

[1:07:12] So, the

[1:07:14] Okay. So, my question is then where do

[1:07:16] these names come from? if they I I know

[1:07:17] they're reappoints.

[1:07:18] >> Yeah.

[1:07:19] >> But

[1:07:20] >> our process is is to post openings,

[1:07:24] >> you know,

[1:07:26] and I don't have an issue with any of

[1:07:27] these people. It's just that we don't

[1:07:30] have know anything about them or

[1:07:31] reappoints that, you know, and I know we

[1:07:33] usually reappoints go fine, but

[1:07:36] just have some questions. So,

[1:07:38] >> sure. It it's up to you all if you want

[1:07:40] to post it. Um, all the sheriff did. He

[1:07:43] he's not trying to I just reached out to

[1:07:45] him as I was going through my boards and

[1:07:47] said, "Hey, you know, these are expired

[1:07:51] and I think in the past you all have

[1:07:53] operated based on the sheriff's

[1:07:55] recommendations even though it's, you

[1:07:58] know, your appointment." So, if you want

[1:08:00] to post those as vacancies and then um

[1:08:04] take the applications again from these

[1:08:06] individuals, that's certainly your

[1:08:07] purview. Um if that makes commission

[1:08:10] more comfortable.

[1:08:13] We have a motion and a second to approve

[1:08:15] these two names.

[1:08:17] Any further discussion? Mr. P.

[1:08:20] >> Commissioner Foster asked most of my

[1:08:22] questions. The last thing I had was that

[1:08:25] um I tried to get the answers and I was

[1:08:28] told uh by the clerk that we needed to

[1:08:31] um I needed to ask the sheriff. So that

[1:08:33] was one of them. It looks like this term

[1:08:36] expiring on 929 might be an appointment

[1:08:39] instead of a reappoint. And that was my

[1:08:41] only clarification. Is that a new one?

[1:08:44] >> No. No. He's he's currently serving.

[1:08:46] >> Okay. So, it's a reappoint. That's all I

[1:08:47] needed to ask. Thank you.

[1:08:49] >> Okay.

[1:08:50] >> Any further discussion? If not, all in

[1:08:52] favor of the motion saying I.

[1:08:55] >> Any opposed? Motion carried.

[1:09:03] » Next one is uh

[1:09:08] Claxton School Task Force.

[1:09:11] Motion to appoint a commissioner to the

[1:09:13] open seat.

[1:09:17] Have a motion by Mr. Foster. Is there a

[1:09:20] second?

[1:09:22] >> What is your motion?

[1:09:22] >> My motion is to appoint Commissioner

[1:09:24] Palmer. And I think technically we need

[1:09:25] to appoint you as chair. I don't think

[1:09:28] when we made the original motion it was

[1:09:30] as chair. I think we picked the chair,

[1:09:33] but I don't think that was actually

[1:09:37] the case.

[1:09:38] >> Okay. Right. I think it was just chair.

[1:09:43] >> Yeah. So, I'm not actually sure if

[1:09:45] Commissioner Palmer would technically

[1:09:47] still be on the committee because she

[1:09:48] was appointed because she was chair, but

[1:09:52] I don't think it was the way it was

[1:09:54] originally appointed. So, actually, I

[1:09:55] guess my motion is to appoint

[1:09:57] Commissioner Mckame to the one seat as

[1:09:59] chair and then Commissioner Palmer would

[1:10:01] already be on there. I don't think it

[1:10:03] was tied to the chairmanship.

[1:10:06] Somebody can correct me if I'm wrong on

[1:10:07] that, but is there a second to that

[1:10:09] motion?

[1:10:12] Could

[1:10:12] >> restate the motion.

[1:10:13] >> Yeah. So, as I was making the motion, it

[1:10:15] hit me that I don't think we So, my

[1:10:17] motion is to nominate Commissioner

[1:10:19] McCain as chair to be on that committee.

[1:10:21] I think the only open spot would be

[1:10:23] Commissioner Bo Champ because she's no

[1:10:24] longer on committee on commission.

[1:10:28] >> Okay, we have a second. Any discussion?

[1:10:33] If not all in favor of the motion lab

[1:10:35] saying I.

[1:10:36] >> Any opposed? Motion carried.

[1:10:40] Uh

[1:10:42] next is county mayor report.

[1:10:45] >> Thank you Mr. Chairman. The first item

[1:10:46] on the agenda has already been

[1:10:48] corrected. I had requested that my

[1:10:51] parliamentary inquiry regarding whether

[1:10:53] a vacancy existed be added to the

[1:10:55] amendments and um those were included

[1:10:58] under the consent agenda. So there's no

[1:11:02] action required because what you what

[1:11:05] you all approved

[1:11:07] um I'm not sure if Miss Emmert did it or

[1:11:10] net but it was corrected.

[1:11:13] Um next I'm requesting a motion to

[1:11:15] confirm the reappoint of Ernie BS to the

[1:11:18] Anderson County Water Authority term

[1:11:20] expiring 92030.

[1:11:23] >> Have a motion and a second. Any

[1:11:24] discussion?

[1:11:26] Not all in favor of that motion late

[1:11:28] saying I. Any opposed? Motion carried.

[1:11:32] >> Next is I'm requesting a motion to

[1:11:34] confirm the reappoints of the following

[1:11:35] to the board of health. Dr. Thomas

[1:11:37] Meyers for the dentist position. Jim

[1:11:40] McBride for the pharmacist position. Dr.

[1:11:42] Mark Garrett, veterinarian. Brenda Val,

[1:11:45] registered nurse. Dr. Thomas Clary,

[1:11:47] physician, and Dr. Curtis Ston,

[1:11:50] physician.

[1:11:51] >> Have a motion and a second to approve

[1:11:54] those for the board of health. Any

[1:11:56] discussion?

[1:11:58] If not, all in favor of the motion late

[1:12:00] saying I.

[1:12:01] >> Any opposed? Motion carried.

[1:12:04] >> Next, I'm requesting a motion to confirm

[1:12:05] the reappoint of Bryce Kidwell to the

[1:12:07] Emergency Communications District Board

[1:12:09] of Directors term expiring January 2030.

[1:12:14] >> Have a motion and a second to approve

[1:12:17] Mr. Kidwell.

[1:12:19] Any discussion? If not, all in favor of

[1:12:22] the motion saying I

[1:12:25] >> just had a question. Uh he he's not

[1:12:28] employed by Anderson County anymore. So

[1:12:30] it's as a citizen.

[1:12:33] >> Um yes, but you nobody has to be a

[1:12:36] member of Anderson County government.

[1:12:39] Yeah.

[1:12:39] >> I just wanted you know because people

[1:12:41] see the name and think that still in

[1:12:42] that position.

[1:12:43] >> Yes.

[1:12:44] >> Okay.

[1:12:44] >> Yep.

[1:12:47] >> Um

[1:12:49] next is I'm requesting a motion to

[1:12:51] confirm the appointments and reappoints

[1:12:53] to the solid waste advisory board. Steve

[1:12:56] Poppik, term expiring 9 2032. Harold

[1:12:59] Edwards, term expiring 9 2031.

[1:13:02] Commissioner Robert McCain, term

[1:13:04] experience expiring 9 2032. Commissioner

[1:13:07] Jeff PAC, term exper expiring 9 2032.

[1:13:13] >> Have a motion and a second. Is there any

[1:13:15] discussion?

[1:13:17] If not, I'll in favor the motion saying

[1:13:19] I.

[1:13:20] >> I.

[1:13:20] >> Any opposed? Motion carried.

[1:13:23] Next, I'm requesting a motion to confirm

[1:13:25] the [clears throat] reappoint of Ned

[1:13:26] Ferguson to the Anderson County Regional

[1:13:28] Planning Commission term expiring 92030.

[1:13:33] » Have a motion and second. Any

[1:13:36] discussion?

[1:13:38] >> If not, all in favor of the motion,

[1:13:39] leave the number saying I.

[1:13:40] >> I.

[1:13:41] >> Any opposed? Motion carries.

[1:13:44] Um, next I'm requesting a motion to

[1:13:46] appoint the following, these are

[1:13:47] one-year terms to the ethics committee,

[1:13:50] and that's uh by resolution. Uh, two of

[1:13:53] the positions are spelled out in the

[1:13:55] resolution. One is an other related

[1:13:57] governmental member. So, um, I'm

[1:14:00] requesting the reappoint of Dr. Tim

[1:14:03] Parrot and the reappointment of Regina

[1:14:05] Copelan for the constitutional officer

[1:14:08] position as well as Commissioner Shane

[1:14:10] Val, Commissioner Denise Palmer and

[1:14:13] Commissioner Michael Foster.

[1:14:15] >> Have a motion and a second. Any

[1:14:17] discussion?

[1:14:19] If not, all in favor of that motion

[1:14:21] saying I.

[1:14:22] >> Any opposed? Motion carried.

[1:14:25] Next is a request um I'm requesting a

[1:14:28] motion to appoint the following to the

[1:14:30] adultoriented establishment board. Uh in

[1:14:33] my time here, we've never had to meet

[1:14:35] and hopefully we won't ever have to

[1:14:37] meet, but I it is an important board

[1:14:39] should should we have to. So, uh I'm

[1:14:42] requesting to appoint Commissioner Chad

[1:14:45] McNab, Commissioner Denise Palmer,

[1:14:47] Commissioner Shannon Gray, Commissioner

[1:14:50] Shane Val, and Commissioner Jeff PAC.

[1:14:52] These are four-year terms by statute.

[1:14:55] So, their terms would expire 92030.

[1:14:59] >> We have a motion and a second. Any

[1:15:00] discussion?

[1:15:02] >> If not, all in favor of the motion, let

[1:15:04] them say I.

[1:15:06] >> Any opposed? Motion carried.

[1:15:08] >> Uh, next, I'm requesting a motion to

[1:15:10] confirm the reappoints and appointments

[1:15:12] to the Anderson County Economic

[1:15:14] Development Association. Uh, John K.

[1:15:17] Alli Jr., Leonard Abatello, Ernie BS,

[1:15:21] Steve Clap, Jason Deal, Tim Isbull,

[1:15:26] William Bear Stevenson, and Nikki

[1:15:28] Swisser.

[1:15:30] >> Have a motion and a second one. Any

[1:15:33] discussion? If not, all in favor of that

[1:15:35] motion saying I.

[1:15:37] >> Any opposed? Motion carried.

[1:15:41] And um the next is I'm requesting a

[1:15:45] motion to enter the budget review letter

[1:15:47] for fiscal year 2027 from the Tennessee

[1:15:50] CompTroller Division of Local Government

[1:15:52] Finance into the minutes. Presentation

[1:15:55] of this letter to commission is

[1:15:57] required.

[1:15:59] >> Have a motion and a second. Any

[1:16:00] discussion?

[1:16:02] If not, I'll in the motion late with no

[1:16:04] saying I.

[1:16:05] >> Any oppose? Motion carried.

[1:16:08] >> And then uh Mr. Mr. Chairman, I have no

[1:16:11] other action items. All the other

[1:16:13] information I put in there were status

[1:16:15] reports. Um I hope you're finding those

[1:16:18] reports useful and if there's other

[1:16:20] information you want from them, just

[1:16:22] please let me know. Um we'll start um

[1:16:26] EMS is going to add one next month. So

[1:16:29] we'll start getting them on that same

[1:16:31] monthly rotation as well. And then I

[1:16:34] included the annual financial reports

[1:16:35] for the volunteer fire departments and

[1:16:37] rescue squad. And at operations meeting,

[1:16:41] I mentioned a list of TOT investments

[1:16:45] for a 10-year period and um it was

[1:16:49] requested I offered to submit that as

[1:16:52] part of the mayor's report and that was

[1:16:54] uh requested. So that's in your packet

[1:16:56] as well. And that's all I have for this

[1:16:59] evening.

[1:17:00] >> Thank you.

[1:17:01] Next is uh department head director of

[1:17:04] finance request to speak not working.

[1:17:07] Somebody's cut me off.

[1:17:09] >> I didn't see it. I'm sorry.

[1:17:11] >> I just have a quick question about the

[1:17:12] volunteer fire departments. Is it

[1:17:14] required that they report their

[1:17:16] financial reports to commission?

[1:17:19] >> Um it's required that they are reported

[1:17:21] to the state of Tennessee.

[1:17:23] >> Okay. And um each year

[1:17:27] um they have to fill those out. And part

[1:17:29] of Anderson County's

[1:17:32] um I don't know how long ago this was. I

[1:17:34] mean before I was ever here, part of

[1:17:36] their review was ensuring you are by

[1:17:40] statute required to if you're going to

[1:17:42] make a donation,

[1:17:43] >> you have to um you know, most if if

[1:17:48] they're over a certain level, a

[1:17:50] nonprofit agency has to have an audit on

[1:17:53] file with the finance office. And in the

[1:17:59] case of Anderson County's donation, it's

[1:18:01] just part of ensuring that they have met

[1:18:04] the financial requirements and each year

[1:18:08] for the donation, they look at that to

[1:18:10] make sure that they have met the

[1:18:12] requirements of the state submitting

[1:18:14] that form to the state.

[1:18:15] >> I noticed that a couple had significant

[1:18:19] money in CDs or some money in CDs, not

[1:18:23] all of them, but a few of them. I

[1:18:25] wondered is that the norm? Is that a

[1:18:28] normal practice?

[1:18:31] >> I don't know. I'd have to go back and

[1:18:32] look at um the prior reports. I mean, I

[1:18:36] normally look at them. Our EMA does

[1:18:38] because that's part of the finance

[1:18:40] office signing off to make sure they can

[1:18:41] get their contribution.

[1:18:43] >> Um they look at a couple of different

[1:18:45] things

[1:18:46] >> and I've looked at them, but I haven't

[1:18:48] made mental note of that. I just

[1:18:50] wondered because you know if it's in a

[1:18:52] CD it's tied up for a period of time so

[1:18:55] I didn't know if that was a normal

[1:18:57] financial practice or not. So I was just

[1:19:00] curious. Like I said not all of them had

[1:19:01] that but I did notice it on a couple.

[1:19:04] >> Yeah.

[1:19:05] >> Thank you.

[1:19:05] >> I can find out

[1:19:08] >> the CD [clears throat] fire department

[1:19:10] has

[1:19:10] >> we can take it out at any time and we do

[1:19:13] it to raise more money. It's an effort

[1:19:14] to raise more money and you know the the

[1:19:17] county and the the community is most

[1:19:20] gracious. So instead of it just sitting

[1:19:22] there not drawing any interest, we

[1:19:24] choose to do that because it helps out.

[1:19:27] >> Okay.

[1:19:28] >> But we can draw it out at any time.

[1:19:30] There's a penalty, but we can still draw

[1:19:32] it out.

[1:19:34] >> Okay.

[1:19:38] » We'll move on to the director of

[1:19:39] finance.

[1:20:00] Okay.

[1:20:11] » [clears throat]

[1:20:12] >> Sorry. Cash and fund balance report

[1:20:14] ending August 31st um 2026.

[1:20:17] Restricted funds 1.1 million. Committed

[1:20:20] funds are 388,270.

[1:20:23] Assigned funds 301,876.

[1:20:26] Unassigned fund balance is 7,291687

[1:20:31] for a total fund balance of 9,152079.

[1:20:35] cash 14,49748

[1:20:39] which is 1.8 million less than last year

[1:20:42] at this time. I'd also want to point out

[1:20:44] that the unassigned fund balance is

[1:20:46] below the limit of 8 million requiring

[1:20:48] 2/3 votes for budget amendments that

[1:20:51] affect the unassigned fund balance. And

[1:20:54] so I'm trying to point those out to

[1:20:55] y'all and we do have one tonight. Um

[1:20:57] when we get to that I'll let you know

[1:20:59] that for sure um which one it is. But um

[1:21:03] we are below the 8 million limit in our

[1:21:06] fund balance policy. Also schools um

[1:21:09] total fund balance 16,28,766.

[1:21:14] Cash $13,493928.

[1:21:18] Any questions on the fund balance or

[1:21:20] cash and fund balance report?

[1:21:27] » Sales tax. Uh

[1:21:28] >> Commissioner Wandelle. Oh, I'm sorry.

[1:21:30] >> Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Robbie, I don't

[1:21:32] mean to I want to catch you before you

[1:21:34] get into everything else. What What was

[1:21:37] the rollover amount from last year?

[1:21:39] >> Well, I should have mentioned too, these

[1:21:41] are unudedited, so I don't have really

[1:21:42] have a rollover amount, but obviously I

[1:21:45] mean, we didn't have any rollover. We

[1:21:48] had a deficit rollover if if anything

[1:21:50] this year

[1:21:52] >> and this is the first year we've not had

[1:21:54] any ARPA funds that we spent an assigned

[1:21:57] fund balance. I

[1:21:59] we spent 1.5 million of the fund balance

[1:22:02] on different items in the budget um

[1:22:06] capital project items and we also had a

[1:22:08] budget deficit of a,83,247

[1:22:12] and I'd also like to add that with the

[1:22:15] 7.2 million it's already taken into

[1:22:16] account this year's budget deficit of

[1:22:18] 1,277,000.

[1:22:21] So that comes off automatically on the

[1:22:22] fund on the unassigned.

[1:22:25] So all those are factors in why it's

[1:22:27] lower.

[1:22:29] >> Mr. Chairman, just for point of

[1:22:30] clarification, how how many votes would

[1:22:32] it require to allow us to go below that

[1:22:36] threshold with that rule? Robbie, you

[1:22:37] mentioned

[1:22:38] >> 2/3. And that's a good question. And for

[1:22:40] 15, it would have been 11, but we have

[1:22:41] 14 tonight. So I'm not sure if

[1:22:43] Commissioner Barren is a no vote or

[1:22:48] how that works.

[1:22:49] >> Typic 15 would be 10.

[1:22:52] >> Be 10 based on the number.

[1:22:55] The commission is 15.

[1:22:56] >> Yes. I'm sorry. 10.

[1:23:01] » So, we still need 10 votes even with one

[1:23:03] missing. Okay. Gotcha. Thank you.

[1:23:05] >> So, if I know we have some new folks on

[1:23:08] commission. Could you explain to them

[1:23:09] what that what that means when we go

[1:23:12] below that threshold?

[1:23:14] >> Why we It's a rule we have.

[1:23:16] >> Sure. the the county had developed a

[1:23:18] fund balance policy for the general fund

[1:23:20] and we said it it it has continued to

[1:23:23] rise the last two or three years. Um the

[1:23:26] latest um

[1:23:28] from the finance committee actually is

[1:23:30] where the fund balance policy comes

[1:23:32] from. The latest one was set at 8

[1:23:34] million which we've been above um we've

[1:23:36] never had we've not gone below that um

[1:23:38] in two or three years but um this year

[1:23:42] um

[1:23:44] we are at 7.2 2 million like I said and

[1:23:46] um of course that's unudited that could

[1:23:48] change but we usually we won't get our

[1:23:51] audit numbers till um November December.

[1:23:54] So

[1:23:59] anyway if it goes below that it requires

[1:24:00] twothirds votes for budget amendments

[1:24:03] that affect the assigned fund balance.

[1:24:05] So

[1:24:08] only in county commission not in budget

[1:24:10] committee level.

[1:24:17] » Any other question?

[1:24:18] >> Go ahead.

[1:24:21] >> Commissioner Wandell, do you have

[1:24:22] anything?

[1:24:22] >> Oh no.

[1:24:23] >> Okay.

[1:24:24] >> Thank you.

[1:24:25] [clears throat]

[1:24:26] >> Okay. Sales tax. Uh the county portion

[1:24:28] as a whole 4,986,898.

[1:24:31] That's up 10.5% from last July. Anderson

[1:24:35] Countyy's portion 599492

[1:24:38] 18% increase from last July.

[1:24:46] [snorts]

[1:24:48] ARP projects um we currently have four

[1:24:51] projects remaining. The uh largest with

[1:24:55] broadband Comcast $250,000. They haven't

[1:24:58] as the mayor explained in the last

[1:25:00] budget meeting were still haven't been

[1:25:02] build for that. Uh two of those projects

[1:25:05] the um block house valley recycling

[1:25:07] center are not tied to the uh December

[1:25:10] date because they are using of ARPA

[1:25:12] interest and the T deck ARP water in

[1:25:16] infrastructure investment 52,419 that's

[1:25:19] what's left should be taken care of by

[1:25:22] the end of October um according to John

[1:25:24] in finance.

[1:25:26] Any questions on the ARPA?

[1:25:29] >> Yes. [clears throat] Wait.

[1:25:32] >> So, Robbie,

[1:25:34] do we have what is it? 48,000.

[1:25:37] >> Oh, I'm sorry. $160 in interest. Yes,

[1:25:40] sir.

[1:25:40] >> So, that's

[1:25:41] >> can be spent on anything. And it doesn't

[1:25:43] have a date time limit as far as

[1:25:44] spending either.

[1:25:46] >> And we can use it on anything that

[1:25:48] relates to the improvement of our

[1:25:51] citizens

[1:25:52] >> or anything.

[1:25:53] >> Okay. Thank you. all any any project in

[1:25:56] the county would like to.

[1:25:59] And a grant list, we provide this list

[1:26:01] each year. This is the newest grant list

[1:26:02] for um fiscal year 2627. Um total grants

[1:26:07] 27,216,524.

[1:26:11] Um

[1:26:14] so far this year, we added two new

[1:26:16] grants. CMS uh rural health

[1:26:18] transformation ambulance grant of

[1:26:20] 305,461

[1:26:22] and the district attorney's office of

[1:26:24] special attorneys program of $953,55.

[1:26:30] Any questions on that? [snorts]

[1:26:32] >> Yeah, those two new grants, where do

[1:26:34] they come from?

[1:26:36] >> Where the grants come from?

[1:26:38] >> Um

[1:26:42] well, General Clark might answer this

[1:26:44] question.

[1:26:46] I'm not sure about the and

[1:26:49] the state of Tennessee is is the EMS

[1:26:51] grant, right?

[1:26:53] >> The state of Tennessee with the EMS

[1:26:54] grant. The special attorneys

[1:26:59] » commissioner from the United States from

[1:27:01] the US Department of Justice.

[1:27:02] >> Okay, I that's good information to know

[1:27:05] for the people at home to know that.

[1:27:07] [clears throat]

[1:27:07] >> Thank you.

[1:27:09] >> Yes. And that's this is one year of that

[1:27:11] grant. And I think we have a it's a

[1:27:12] three-year grant of that special.

[1:27:14] >> So we'll get that every year for three

[1:27:16] years.

[1:27:16] >> Yes. Thank you.

[1:27:19] >> The uh EMS one is from the state of

[1:27:22] Tennessee, one of their rural health

[1:27:23] grants and that will enable Anderson

[1:27:26] County to buy an ambulance.

[1:27:29] So it's a really good one.

[1:27:31] >> Mr. Chair, may I continue with that? Now

[1:27:34] when it says rural health grant, is is

[1:27:37] that for the rural areas or they just

[1:27:39] Anderson County is a rural So, um, when

[1:27:42] they distribute the funds across the

[1:27:44] state of Tennessee, they have

[1:27:45] designations rural versus urban under

[1:27:49] their grant application or their how

[1:27:51] they're managing this grant for the

[1:27:53] state of Tennessee is um I have

[1:27:58] Commissioner Isabel, I've forgotten the

[1:27:59] number, but it's pretty much every

[1:28:02] county in the whole state of Tennessee

[1:28:04] except the metro areas. I see like

[1:28:06] MetroDavidson, Knox County, Nashville.

[1:28:08] So, um, it's been a real help for

[1:28:12] counties like Anderson that have a lot

[1:28:14] of rural area, but under many

[1:28:17] designations, we're not considered a

[1:28:18] rural community because we have some of

[1:28:21] the urban centers,

[1:28:22] >> right? And I remember when we were just

[1:28:24] a rural county and then because of all

[1:28:26] the changes.

[1:28:27] >> Yeah.

[1:28:27] Okay. Thank you.

[1:28:29] >> And Commissioner Isel, just to correct

[1:28:31] the district attorney's office, the

[1:28:33] special attorneys program, that's

[1:28:34] 963,5005

[1:28:36] for three years. Okay.

[1:28:37] >> So, not each year that amount amount,

[1:28:39] but three years. So, that's dispersed

[1:28:42] over three years.

[1:28:43] >> All right. Thank you,

[1:28:45] >> Commissioner Palmer.

[1:28:46] >> Yes. Thank you, Mr. Chair. I just wanted

[1:28:48] to say that's [clears throat] 27.2

[1:28:50] million.

[1:28:52] >> All those on the side, that is just

[1:28:54] amazing. And they're doing good work.

[1:28:56] All of the ones listed there on the side

[1:28:58] that's pursuing grants. It's amazing.

[1:29:03] One thing else to point out about the

[1:29:05] district attorney special award attorney

[1:29:07] program is the possibility of indirect

[1:29:10] cost $118,04

[1:29:12] that could come back to the county as

[1:29:14] far as revenue. So that's great.

[1:29:16] >> Yeah, that's

[1:29:18] >> we don't get that often ever.

[1:29:20] >> Mando,

[1:29:21] >> thank you, Mr. Chairman. Robbie, just

[1:29:23] for clarification again for me, um these

[1:29:26] grants when they come in, I think you

[1:29:28] told me in the past they they just go

[1:29:30] right back into that fund for that

[1:29:33] department. Is that right?

[1:29:34] >> If we created by budget amendment. Yes,

[1:29:37] sir.

[1:29:38] >> And we don't adjust the budget at all.

[1:29:41] We just slide it right in.

[1:29:43] >> Well, the budget is adjusted with a

[1:29:46] budget amendment approved by budget

[1:29:47] committee. And like for example tonight,

[1:29:49] the the one we were talking about the

[1:29:51] district attorney, it's a it's an

[1:29:52] amendment tonight to put in this year's

[1:29:54] budget. So we do not put any grant in

[1:29:58] the budget unless it um is amended

[1:30:01] increasing revenue and expenditure

[1:30:03] codes.

[1:30:04] >> And so if a million comes into a

[1:30:05] department, you slide it into that

[1:30:08] department's code, but we don't make any

[1:30:10] adjustment to the overall budget on the

[1:30:12] front end of the year. The

[1:30:15] >> No, it would be an amendment to that

[1:30:16] budget. So it would just increase the

[1:30:18] revenue for that department. But we

[1:30:21] don't make any adjustments to the

[1:30:22] overall budget as a whole. Correct.

[1:30:24] >> We make adjustments to the if you're

[1:30:26] increasing revenue, you have to have

[1:30:27] offsetting expenditure codes. So most of

[1:30:31] these grants are reimbursement grants.

[1:30:32] We're not getting the money up front. We

[1:30:34] are getting reimbursed once.

[1:30:36] >> Okay.

[1:30:36] >> The department spends the money and then

[1:30:38] we recede it into that revenue code.

[1:30:40] >> Thank you. Thank you, Chair.

[1:30:44] Go

[1:30:44] >> ahead. Okay.

[1:30:46] Moving on to purchasing contracts. Um we

[1:30:48] have 10 contracts that all were approved

[1:30:51] by um with legal review and by the

[1:30:54] budget committee as well.

[1:30:57] Have a motion by Mr. Foster, second by

[1:31:00] McNab to take as a group.

[1:31:03] >> Yeah. [snorts] Any discussion on the

[1:31:06] contracts?

[1:31:08] >> Not all in favor of the motion saying I.

[1:31:12] >> Any oppose? Motion carried.

[1:31:15] Okay, thank you. And we have one surplus

[1:31:18] vehicle, a 2011 Crown Victoria. Um, that

[1:31:22] also needs approval.

[1:31:27] Have a motion and second.

[1:31:30] Any discussion?

[1:31:33] Not. All in favor of the motion saying

[1:31:35] I.

[1:31:36] >> Any opposed? Motion carried.

[1:31:39] Hey, Commissioner Isabel.

[1:31:40] >> Mr. Chairman, I I do have a question on

[1:31:43] one of the contracts. Spyglass IT

[1:31:46] contract number 27-0015.

[1:31:49] One year device services auditing

[1:31:51] contract vendor will receive part of

[1:31:53] savings realized. What is that?

[1:31:58] » Am I reading that correctly?

[1:32:00] >> That yes. So that is one um

[1:32:04] Robbie I think you and I were on that uh

[1:32:07] webinar. Were you not on that webinar

[1:32:09] with me? Okay. uh somebody from finance

[1:32:11] was and then uh Brian was as well. this

[1:32:14] company, what they do, they know all of

[1:32:17] your

[1:32:19] they know the process for telephone

[1:32:22] bills, any kind of communication

[1:32:26] um billing that you receive is very

[1:32:30] difficult to understand and actually

[1:32:33] work with these with these firms because

[1:32:36] we're on we're in a position of really

[1:32:38] not understanding. And so what this

[1:32:41] company does is they audit. We will once

[1:32:45] authorized they get all of Brian will be

[1:32:48] sending them all of our bills or

[1:32:50] invoicing or contracts and then they

[1:32:53] will review it for savings. So, for

[1:32:56] instance, a um

[1:33:00] let's say we've got a contract with a

[1:33:02] company where the technology change,

[1:33:05] pricing changes, and they're not going

[1:33:08] to be quick to volunteer that they've

[1:33:10] lowered prices or that something's more

[1:33:12] efficient. They're just, you know, happy

[1:33:15] that you're humming along writing the

[1:33:17] checks. And so, that's what they're

[1:33:19] going to do is look at all of that. And

[1:33:22] then um it's based on a cost share. So

[1:33:26] we don't pay for anything unless we get

[1:33:29] savings and then it's a percentage but

[1:33:31] then obviously we realize the savings on

[1:33:34] our contracts.

[1:33:35] >> Okay. Thank you.

[1:33:39] » Have a motion second.

[1:33:41] Any discussion?

[1:33:43] >> Not all in favor. The motion say I.

[1:33:46] >> Any oppose? Motion carried.

[1:33:50] >> Thank you. So, group three, the consent

[1:33:52] agenda transfers. Um, it's no action

[1:33:54] from commission is necessary um after

[1:33:57] approved from budget committee. Group

[1:33:59] four, appropriations. There are six of

[1:34:00] those, three through eight from the

[1:34:02] school department,

[1:34:10] seeking approval as a group or

[1:34:12] individual. I can answer any questions.

[1:34:16] » Have a motion and a second. Do you say

[1:34:18] this is an appropriation? These are

[1:34:20] appropriations from the school

[1:34:21] department.

[1:34:22] >> From the school department.

[1:34:23] >> Yes.

[1:34:24] >> We need a board vote.

[1:34:25] >> We have to have a board vote. Yes.

[1:34:26] >> Okay.

[1:34:33] » Commissioner Palmer,

[1:34:35] >> I just have a question. Um Robbie, that

[1:34:39] one no 220.

[1:34:42] It's on uh number seven. That's from the

[1:34:45] school. That's going to be it says to

[1:34:47] other funds, but it's for the sheriff.

[1:34:50] Is that as of today, as it's written

[1:34:53] here, that's a one-time

[1:34:55] transfer, correct?

[1:34:58] >> For this year. Yes, sir. For this year,

[1:35:00] >> but it's if it's going towards salaries,

[1:35:03] the budget committee needs to be looking

[1:35:06] at a reoccurring.

[1:35:08] >> Yes. And Dr. Perro said it would be and

[1:35:10] >> he said it would be. Thank you.

[1:35:14] Just the board vote.

[1:35:15] >> Yes.

[1:35:31] Okay. Motions pass. 14. Yes.

[1:35:35] >> Okay. Group five transfers from the

[1:35:37] school department. There are two of

[1:35:38] those. Number one and nine.

[1:35:41] seeking approval as a group.

[1:35:47] » Have a motion and a second to approve as

[1:35:49] a group.

[1:35:51] >> This transfer you say

[1:35:54] >> it is transfers from the school

[1:35:55] department. Major line item transfer. So

[1:35:58] they require full commission approval.

[1:36:00] >> Does it need a board vote?

[1:36:01] >> All all the budget amendments will need

[1:36:04] a board.

[1:36:04] >> Okay.

[1:36:06] >> Need a board vote.

[1:36:08] >> Question.

[1:36:09] >> Oh, I'm sorry, Commissioner Palmer.

[1:36:11] Thank you, Mr. Chair. Same question for

[1:36:13] the 55,000. Yes, it's going to be a

[1:36:15] reoccurring.

[1:36:17] Okay.

[1:36:18] >> Up to two for 250,000 is 250. Yes. Okay.

[1:36:24] » He already had the 55,000 in a budget

[1:36:26] code. We're just moving it to a transfer

[1:36:28] out code.

[1:36:30] >> Okay. So, it's going to be reoccurring.

[1:36:32] That part is all right. Thank you. Okay.

[1:36:35] Board vote.

[1:36:43] 14. Yes. [snorts] Motion carried.

[1:36:45] >> Thank you.

[1:36:47] Group six appropriations non-school.

[1:36:50] Three are from the general fund and one

[1:36:52] from the highway department. Also the

[1:36:53] district attorney grant that we spoke

[1:36:55] about earlier is um in this group of

[1:36:59] appropriations for $265,1343.

[1:37:05] Have a motion and a second to approve

[1:37:07] the group.

[1:37:10] Any discussion?

[1:37:13] If not, board vote.

[1:37:21] » Motion carries. 14. Yes.

[1:37:23] >> Thank you. And group eight, there is one

[1:37:26] transfer from the mayor senior center uh

[1:37:28] for $26,500

[1:37:30] that um affects payroll.

[1:37:35] Have a motion and a second. Any

[1:37:38] discussion?

[1:37:40] If not, board vote.

[1:37:43] >> Yes.

[1:37:58] » Motion carried. 14. Yes.

[1:38:00] >> Thank you. Um section A in miscellaneous

[1:38:03] the grant application from EMS for

[1:38:05] $7,840

[1:38:07] with no match. It's a Tennessee risk

[1:38:10] management grant um to purchase two

[1:38:13] powered main oxygen cylinder loading

[1:38:16] equipment. This is for application only.

[1:38:20] Have a motion and a second. Any

[1:38:23] discussion?

[1:38:26] If not, I'll in favor of the motion

[1:38:28] saying I. I. Any opposed? Motion

[1:38:31] carried.

[1:38:32] >> Okay. Section B, the UT extension

[1:38:34] office. This will require twothirds vote

[1:38:36] and it will need to be a board vote

[1:38:38] because it does affect unassigned fund

[1:38:39] balance. Um,

[1:38:44] Seth White House requests an increase of

[1:38:45] $11,613.75

[1:38:48] for the UT extension budget. The

[1:38:50] additional funding will be appropriated

[1:38:52] for unassigned fund balance. Require

[1:38:53] two-thirds vote from commission.

[1:38:55] Commissioner Mckame made the motion

[1:38:57] second by Commissioner Mag McNab to

[1:38:59] increase the extension office budget

[1:39:01] 11,61375.

[1:39:04] Voting no. Commissioner Cook Wells and

[1:39:06] Bow and the motion passed.

[1:39:09] >> Have a motion and a second. Any

[1:39:11] discussion?

[1:39:13] If not, board vote. Oh, Commissioner

[1:39:16] Wales, I'm sorry.

[1:39:18] I would say um I was a no vote in that

[1:39:19] budget meeting based on uh the previous

[1:39:22] commissioners that served in this last

[1:39:23] term just the month before voted this

[1:39:26] down in their budget approval. So for

[1:39:28] them to come back just less than 30 days

[1:39:30] later asking for this money I thought

[1:39:32] was a little inappropriate and also a

[1:39:34] little hasty when this should be planned

[1:39:35] out in accordingly with next year's

[1:39:36] fiscal budget. Thank you.

[1:39:41] » It's a board vote.

[1:39:52] » That motion failed. Only eight votes.

[1:40:01] Okay. Section C, Claxton Elementary, the

[1:40:03] task force renewal. Um there was a

[1:40:07] referral from the um Glaxon Elementary

[1:40:10] task force to

[1:40:12] for the general fund to loan the

[1:40:13] school's $4 million until the sale of

[1:40:16] the um school then the old school and

[1:40:20] then [clears throat] repay the general

[1:40:21] fund back. Um that motion was discussed

[1:40:23] at at I mean that ideal was discussed at

[1:40:27] length in the budget committee meeting

[1:40:28] but no action was taken. Um

[1:40:32] of course with the fund balance of

[1:40:33] general fund being 7.2 2 million. It's

[1:40:36] doesn't look as good for us now to loan

[1:40:38] the money as it did in the schools with

[1:40:40] a $16 million fund balance. So, um

[1:40:43] Dr. Parrot seem to think they could

[1:40:45] handle the um the cost within their own

[1:40:49] budget.

[1:40:53] » Any questions?

[1:40:54] Okay.

[1:40:56] Section D, pay structure from the

[1:40:58] sheriff's department. Um

[1:41:01] the sheriff came with a proposal for an

[1:41:04] additional two and 9% increase. Um the

[1:41:09] proposed increases will be supported by

[1:41:10] $250,000 in funding from the school

[1:41:12] department along with savings from

[1:41:14] leaving six sheriff department operation

[1:41:16] positions unfilled. Following

[1:41:19] discussion, the final agreement provided

[1:41:21] for an additional 2% increase for

[1:41:22] employees in grades 2 through five and

[1:41:25] an additional 7% increase for employees

[1:41:27] in grades 6 through 13. effective the

[1:41:29] October 8th payroll and will not be

[1:41:31] compound will not be compounded on the

[1:41:34] already approved 3%. Commissioner McNab

[1:41:37] made the motion commission seconded by

[1:41:39] Commissioner Vandergri to approve the

[1:41:41] additional 2% and 7% increases um to

[1:41:45] that budget. This won't require

[1:41:48] two-thirds vote because with the um

[1:41:51] added funding from the school department

[1:41:52] of 250,000 in the um along with the

[1:41:55] savings, we counted the six positions at

[1:41:58] $75,000 each, which is or 500,000. Um

[1:42:02] the cost for these um salaries increases

[1:42:07] with but with um

[1:42:09] benefits is um 700 right around

[1:42:12] $730,000.

[1:42:14] So, um, it doesn't affect fun unassigned

[1:42:17] fund balance.

[1:42:19] >> Okay,

[1:42:23] » Commissioner Palmer.

[1:42:24] >> Thank you, Mr. Chair. Um, Robbie, I

[1:42:27] just, um, I'm all for this. Um, but I

[1:42:30] I'm not real sure what to do here. So,

[1:42:34] um, we discussed this for months and

[1:42:35] months during the budget, uh, committee

[1:42:38] last time and, uh, we always talked

[1:42:41] about this as a public safety issue and

[1:42:46] we included EMS every time that we spoke

[1:42:49] of it. Um, so, and I and I was an

[1:42:52] advocate because this is a public safety

[1:42:55] issue. we've got um two positions in EMS

[1:42:59] that we are having trouble retaining and recruiting. And so uh that w that

[1:43:06] request was brought to us and we said we don't have a reoccurring funding and

[1:43:13] uh revenue source. So we'll give

[1:43:15] everyone a 3% and we will get this bad

[1:43:18] budget passed by the deadline but then

[1:43:20] we will take this up. So, uh, when this

[1:43:23] came before budget, um, EMS was not

[1:43:26] included and I did not catch it that

[1:43:28] night. And so, I would like to I I don't

[1:43:32] know how this needs to go, but EMS needs

[1:43:36] to have

[1:43:38] the same consideration for the positions

[1:43:42] that they are having trouble filling as

[1:43:44] well. And it is my understanding, you

[1:43:46] correct me on these numbers if I'm

[1:43:47] wrong, Robbie, um, but they need $78,000

[1:43:52] to for this year and it would start at

[1:43:56] the same time that the sheriff raises

[1:43:59] start. And I would suggest that we take

[1:44:03] that from the past remediation um, fund

[1:44:06] of the opioid funds. That will it it

[1:44:09] would be the same thing as getting it

[1:44:10] from the schools. it'll be a one time

[1:44:13] and that'll get us through this year. Um

[1:44:16] and then budget would need to look at

[1:44:19] trying to fund EMS as well um for for

[1:44:23] the you know reoccurring expense of the

[1:44:26] salaries but we do need to include EMS

[1:44:29] in that public safety um overall

[1:44:34] you know retention and recruiting. So,

[1:44:38] just to clarify what Commissioner

[1:44:40] Palmer, um a 3% a $78,000 would be a 3%

[1:44:45] additional 3% increase for um paramedics

[1:44:50] and

[1:44:53] » advanced CMT, I believe.

[1:44:55] >> And advanced CMT, sorry. Um the opioid

[1:44:57] [clears throat] fund balance, there's

[1:44:58] restricted funds, has a $256,296

[1:45:02] fund balance and we've already collected

[1:45:04] $89,181

[1:45:06] this fiscal year in revenue for the

[1:45:07] opioid funds. So um it is a usable

[1:45:10] expense for opioids and um

[1:45:16] it would require twothirds vote from

[1:45:17] this from commission to add to approve

[1:45:20] that.

[1:45:20] >> And just one more comment please Mr.

[1:45:22] chair. Um, this is

[1:45:24] >> First off, did you amend the motion?

[1:45:26] >> I I can if Yes, I I make that amendment.

[1:45:30] >> Okay.

[1:45:32] >> And we have a second to the amendment.

[1:45:35] >> Go ahead.

[1:45:36] >> EMS [clears throat]

[1:45:37] touches all 82,000 of our citizens. Yes.

[1:45:41] >> And um it is one of the things that our

[1:45:43] citizens expect when they pick up the

[1:45:46] phone for EMS and the police, the

[1:45:49] sheriff's office to respond. And so I

[1:45:52] would just I just think we need to look

[1:45:53] at both of these. I think it's that

[1:45:55] important.

[1:45:56] >> Okay.

[1:45:57] >> And and Nathan has come to budget

[1:46:00] several times and made that request

[1:46:01] known.

[1:46:02] >> I agree. Commissioner,

[1:46:05] >> thank you. I'm in agreement with

[1:46:06] Commissioner Palmer on this and I just

[1:46:08] want uh our finance director's opinion

[1:46:13] >> about this raises.

[1:46:15] >> Yes, I honestly support this as well.

[1:46:18] >> I think um that it would help honest all

[1:46:21] I mean the sheriff came to the budget

[1:46:23] committee several times with asking for

[1:46:26] raises because he's having issues

[1:46:28] keeping

[1:46:30] billing retention keeping positions

[1:46:32] filled I mean honestly EMS is too it's every department in the county is

[1:46:37] having trouble with I mean we lose

[1:46:39] employees a lot retention's a an issue

[1:46:41] in the county but I also think it's some

[1:46:44] of the the younger employees

[1:46:48] they job hunt look for more pay. They

[1:46:51] don't care. They're the lawyer, you

[1:46:52] know, retirement and things like that

[1:46:54] don't mean as much to them as as pay

[1:46:56] does. So, we're all having that issue.

[1:46:58] Um, but I definitely would recommend

[1:47:01] this for EMS. I think it would help them

[1:47:03] tremendously with

[1:47:04] >> private dentistry has that same issue.

[1:47:06] >> Yeah,

[1:47:07] >> it's just around everywhere.

[1:47:10] Commissioner WH,

[1:47:11] >> I guess I could put Commissioner

[1:47:12] Capshaw's parliamentarian on the spot,

[1:47:14] but does this muddy the water know when

[1:47:16] the sheriff's vote does not need two/3s

[1:47:18] >> and this this amendment to the motion

[1:47:20] will require two/3s? Would it not be

[1:47:22] better to separate those?

[1:47:24] >> Um, Mr. Broke, anybody that's got an

[1:47:26] opinion, I just

[1:47:27] >> That's a good point.

[1:47:29] >> Yes, I think.

[1:47:30] >> Yeah, it's a good point. Okay, I'll

[1:47:33] withdraw my amendment and I'll make a

[1:47:34] different amendment afterwards or a

[1:47:36] different motion afterwards.

[1:47:38] >> Okay. Second. Let's go back then to the

[1:47:41] first motion

[1:47:43] and that's on the sheriff's department.

[1:47:45] >> You got it.

[1:47:49] » Oh, Mr. V.

[1:47:50] >> Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I'll be

[1:47:52] abstaining for calls on this vote and to

[1:47:55] be honest with you, I don't know what

[1:47:56] that mean.

[1:47:58] >> It does.

[1:47:59] >> I'll let you all figure that out. Thank

[1:48:00] you, Mr. Chair.

[1:48:06] » Okay. All in favor the motion let by

[1:48:09] saying I

[1:48:10] >> board vote in board. That's right. Board

[1:48:12] vote. I'm sorry. Board vote.

[1:48:14] >> This is just majority.

[1:48:16] >> Yes.

[1:48:23] » Okay. We [snorts] have 13. Yes. One

[1:48:25] extension. Motion passes.

[1:48:29] >> Commissioner Palmer. I'm make a motion

[1:48:34] that we um take $78,000 from the past

[1:48:37] remediation

[1:48:40] uh opioid fund and uh send that to that

[1:48:44] doesn't require because I I have a

[1:48:46] funding source back to AMS for the races

[1:48:50] uh for his advanced EMTs and paramedics.

[1:48:54] >> Have a motion and a second. Any

[1:48:55] discussion?

[1:48:56] >> And the only reason I say it required

[1:48:57] two/3s is because it wasn't on the

[1:48:58] budget.

[1:48:59] >> It didn't go through budget. Correct.

[1:49:02] Shouldn't we add it to the agenda?

[1:49:05] Clarification on the parliamentarian.

[1:49:07] Does it need to be added agenda since

[1:49:08] this is a new item?

[1:49:10] >> Yes.

[1:49:11] >> Then take a motion up on it.

[1:49:15] » Yes.

[1:49:15] >> Okay. I make a motion that we add it to

[1:49:17] the agenda.

[1:49:20] >> You second that. Okay. All favor the

[1:49:22] motion.

[1:49:23] >> I'd like to make a motion to amend if I

[1:49:25] could, Mr. Chairman. It's not letting me

[1:49:26] hit the button. I apologize. Make a

[1:49:28] motion that we amend this to go to

[1:49:30] budget committee to discuss and then

[1:49:31] bring it back before full commission.

[1:49:40] » Have a motion to amend it. Second,

[1:49:42] Commissioner Wando.

[1:49:45] >> That's to refer this to the budget

[1:49:48] committee.

[1:49:48] >> Yes.

[1:49:51] >> Okay.

[1:49:55] Commissioner Palmer,

[1:49:56] >> I'm going to vote no on that at this

[1:49:58] time just because we've exhaustively

[1:50:01] discussed it in the previous [snorts]

[1:50:03] budget meetings, but I understand that

[1:50:06] we do have uh new commissioners with us

[1:50:08] now. So, but I wanted to explain why I'm

[1:50:11] voting no on this.

[1:50:12] >> Okay,

[1:50:15] >> back to this, but I think for

[1:50:18] transparency, it should go back to the

[1:50:19] budget like the sheriff did to be honest

[1:50:23] with you.

[1:50:31] Okay,

[1:50:39] we have a motion on the floor and a

[1:50:42] second.

[1:50:45] You're amending the motion, but

[1:50:47] basically it should not be an an

[1:50:50] amendment to her motion. It should be a

[1:50:53] motion to refer

[1:50:56] to the budget committee which would take

[1:50:58] precedent over her original motion

[1:51:01] and then the second. So

[1:51:04] >> are you?

[1:51:04] >> Yes, sir.

[1:51:05] >> Okay with that. You

[1:51:07] >> Okay. So, we need to vote on this

[1:51:08] whether or not to refer it back to the

[1:51:10] budget committee.

[1:51:12] All in favor of that motion.

[1:51:14] >> You're going to need to clear the board

[1:51:16] though because this says much to amend

[1:51:17] and really it is a referral motion.

[1:51:21] >> All right. Uh, it's it's a motion, not a

[1:51:23] motion to amend.

[1:51:39] Okay, now we're on there. This is a

[1:51:42] motion to refer to the budget committee.

[1:51:45] All in favor of that motion late saying

[1:51:47] I.

[1:51:48] >> Any oppose? No.

[1:51:52] Motion carried.

[1:51:59] » Okay. Under new business, we had one

[1:52:01] item um

[1:52:03] when when the county approved or

[1:52:05] commissioner approved the retention

[1:52:06] payments. We had one employee that was

[1:52:09] currently working for clerk and master

[1:52:10] and then he went to the sheriffs, he

[1:52:12] missed both retention payments. So, the

[1:52:14] motion was just to approve the retention

[1:52:15] payment um for this employee. And that

[1:52:18] did pass in budget committee. And I just

[1:52:20] need a vote here to pass. I mean to

[1:52:23] approve that motion or not approve.

[1:52:26] >> I have a motion and a second to

[1:52:30] approve the motion.

[1:52:33] » Yep. Sorry.

[1:52:34] >> Okay.

[1:52:35] >> Motion. I didn't catch it.

[1:52:40] [clears throat]

[1:52:40] >> We had one employee that was when the

[1:52:44] sheriff's retention payments. They had

[1:52:46] to be there so long. he had just

[1:52:48] transferred to the sheriff's department.

[1:52:49] And when we gave the um general fund

[1:52:53] employee or all the retention payments

[1:52:55] for the rest of the employees, he missed

[1:52:57] out on that because he was working for

[1:52:59] the sheriff's department then, which

[1:53:00] they weren't included. So, he was not

[1:53:01] included in the any either retention

[1:53:03] payment. And the motion was to give him

[1:53:06] the $2,000 from the general fund.

[1:53:09] Thank you.

[1:53:11] [snorts]

[1:53:12] >> Any further discussion?

[1:53:15] Is this a board vote?

[1:53:18] Yes, since it involves.

[1:53:20] >> Yeah. Okay. Board vote.

[1:53:30] Motion carried.

[1:53:31] >> Thank you. It's all I have unless you

[1:53:32] have any questions for me.

[1:53:34] >> Okay.

[1:53:36] See if they need a break before we get

[1:53:39] into the rest of this agenda. Let's take

[1:53:41] about 10 15 minutes break. We'll come

[1:53:44] back.

[1:53:54] I have it

[1:54:14] trying to be a little slowly.

[1:54:18] The issues. Just

[1:54:47] » Yeah.

[1:54:54] Oh yeah.

[1:55:17] » Yes. It's not

[1:55:23] » they

[1:55:26] didn't really

[1:55:44] ask but they didn't

[1:55:53] Yeah, it was a long meeting.

[1:56:17] Yeah.

[1:56:19] >> Yeah. At the end they said that they

[1:56:20] partnered or they shared information

[1:56:23] with 1600.

[1:56:29] » So um also in that meeting they stated

[1:56:33] that um Anderson County as a whole only

[1:56:37] has four. Okay. And each

[1:56:42] >> each city within Anderson County has

[1:56:45] their own campus. So, um

[1:56:50] you would probably

[1:56:52] have to have forums in each different

[1:56:55] city to get within Anderson County to

[1:56:59] get those cameras pulled also.

[1:57:03] >> Yeah. Yeah. I'm just letting you know

[1:57:05] that

[1:57:06] county as a whole that those cameras

[1:57:09] that come before the commissions,

[1:57:11] there's only four.

[1:57:16] » Yeah. So, there's only three working.

[1:57:21] » Still three.

[1:57:24] >> Yeah, I did.

[1:57:29] » Yeah.

[1:57:44] two weeks.

[1:57:45] >> Yeah. And it's just um

[1:57:48] >> these cameras have been up like five

[1:57:51] years.

[1:57:57] » Apparently, it didn't come before the

[1:57:59] commission for approval either when they

[1:58:01] put I just

[1:58:06] did that also.

[1:58:43] Yeah, there is a gray outside that uh

[1:58:47] that form. So, um

[1:58:51] it doesn't doesn't look good for the

[1:58:53] cameras.

[1:59:02] Oh, wow.

[1:59:24] You're welcome.

[1:59:35] » That's it.

[1:59:48] Well, thank you. I hope

[1:59:59] » I almost did one of my

[2:00:03] citizen comments.

[2:00:12] Good.

[2:00:23] » No, sir.

[2:00:40] » Yes, you can.

[2:00:55] Hey James, how are you doing?

[2:01:09] » Yeah, my husband

[2:01:11] I'm gonna make them look dressed up.

[2:01:25] You do have very thoughtful

[2:01:28] representatives.

[2:01:43] You need to come get those.

[2:02:00] » Yeah.

[2:02:02] >> I got turned it a little this way.

[2:02:25] Oh yeah.

[2:03:05] by you. Take it out.

[2:03:18] My mouth gets so dry though.

[2:03:56] sharing your page.

[2:03:58] >> This is great. Great.

[2:04:01] >> Thank you.

[2:04:03] [laughter]

[2:04:13] Okay.

[2:04:31] Aaron's back.

[2:04:38] Where's my

[2:04:58] » Are you here for Tim?

[2:05:18] Aaron

[2:05:27] see well

[2:05:28] tell Michael Foster.

[2:05:44] » There he comes.

[2:06:02] Okay, the next item on the agenda is the

[2:06:05] uh director of schools has a written

[2:06:08] report.

[2:06:10] He's got a replacement here today. Dr.

[2:06:12] Parrot has to answer any questions.

[2:06:16] >> 10 shooters. [laughter]

[2:06:19] >> Hey, thanks for having me. Dr. parents

[2:06:21] at the state superintendence conference.

[2:06:23] So, I'm here to fill in. I'm Ben DS. Um,

[2:06:26] he sent you the de director's report.

[2:06:29] I'm just here to answer any question you

[2:06:30] have any questions. I will say that he

[2:06:32] and I walked the new Claxton school on

[2:06:35] Friday. Uh, and it's super impressive.

[2:06:37] Uh, looks really, really good. Uh, we're

[2:06:39] excited about that. Um, also another

[2:06:41] update. If you drive by our baseball

[2:06:43] fields at Clinton High School at the

[2:06:45] fairgrounds or at County High School,

[2:06:47] you'll notice that there's no lights.

[2:06:49] Um, so if you get any questions about

[2:06:51] that, uh, no fear. They're going back up

[2:06:54] really quick. Uh, but they're getting

[2:06:55] replaced. So, uh, new LED lights are

[2:06:57] going up at both high school baseball

[2:06:59] fields. We're super excited about that,

[2:07:01] too. But I'll answer any questions you

[2:07:02] have. Thanks for having me. Okay,

[2:07:06] >> Commissioner Wale.

[2:07:07] >> Thank you, Mr. Chair and Ben. Thank you

[2:07:08] for being here. Um, just it's probably

[2:07:11] in the report, and I'll be honest, I may

[2:07:13] have looked over it, but for the flu

[2:07:15] shots, is that going to be in process

[2:07:17] again this year?

[2:07:18] >> Yes. Okay. actually starting up very

[2:07:20] soon. Good.

[2:07:20] >> I think uh I think they're starting this

[2:07:22] week as a matter of fact.

[2:07:24] >> Thank you. Appreciate it.

[2:07:25] >> Yep. At all the schools and then central

[2:07:27] office and everybody. Yep.

[2:07:28] >> Awesome. Thank you,

[2:07:33] » Jeff.

[2:07:35] >> No, I was just going to say I appreciate

[2:07:38] you're doing a good job.

[2:07:39] >> Thank you.

[2:07:39] >> You know, it you're not one of these

[2:07:41] that go out and try to catch the

[2:07:42] limelight and everybody wants you to

[2:07:43] slap you on the back. You don't do that

[2:07:45] and I appreciate that. you just get the

[2:07:47] job done and I see that. Thank you.

[2:07:51] >> Thank you, sir.

[2:07:51] >> Thank you.

[2:07:53] >> Okay. The next item is law director's

[2:07:55] report

[2:08:04] items require no explanation. It

[2:08:07] contracts contracts contract zoning. Um

[2:08:12] there are five pending lawsuits that our

[2:08:14] office is handling.

[2:08:16] Uh we're in the process of negotiating a

[2:08:19] settlement hopefully with on the

[2:08:21] provision case. No activity with respect

[2:08:24] to Harbor versus Anderson County. The

[2:08:27] Williams Manor is coming up in November

[2:08:30] Library Association. I will tell tell

[2:08:33] you guys of course that Anderson County

[2:08:35] is out of that case that you've been

[2:08:37] dismissed. It's just the library board.

[2:08:39] And then the Smith versus Anderson

[2:08:41] County which was a mandamus claim by

[2:08:46] Brian Smith and his wife was dismissed.

[2:08:48] They have appealed it but there is a

[2:08:51] companion

[2:08:53] action going in front of the board of

[2:08:55] zoning appeals that may resolve it and

[2:08:57] I've talked briefly with their attorney

[2:08:59] Dino Cole about it. Information items,

[2:09:03] you know, there's a lot on there.

[2:09:05] Suppose the ones I would point to would

[2:09:06] be six indigent cremation. How many of

[2:09:10] you knew that we've got 17 cremated

[2:09:12] remains in our office? Uh we do. So

[2:09:17] we're working on some kind of uh

[2:09:21] standard operating procedure for the

[2:09:23] next person that comes down the road.

[2:09:25] and as far as accounting for the bodies

[2:09:27] and how long to keep them and things

[2:09:29] like that. Um

[2:09:32] uh the u general sessions 2ou there was

[2:09:37] a copy of our proposedou attached to my

[2:09:41] report. Uh since that came in I have

[2:09:44] received uh a redlined uh reply from uh

[2:09:49] Oakidge city attorney. Essentially uh

[2:09:53] they have rejected what we proposed to

[2:09:56] them as far as uh reviewing a change in

[2:10:01] the month the yearly amount each year.

[2:10:04] Um I think initially we said at 40,000

[2:10:08] um for four years with an option to

[2:10:12] renew. uh we wanted to revisit that each

[2:10:16] year that they have uh come back with

[2:10:19] 50,000 a year and then some minor issues

[2:10:24] with the uh notices and things of that

[2:10:27] nature, but that's the big that's the

[2:10:29] big difference right now.

[2:10:32] Um

[2:10:33] the u we are working on items 13 and 14.

[2:10:39] We are working on um

[2:10:42] revising the private act for the legal

[2:10:45] services advisory committee. We've also

[2:10:48] been uh or our office has been

[2:10:50] conducting a salary survey to get some

[2:10:53] idea of the parameters of what county

[2:10:55] attorneys or law directors are paid

[2:10:56] throughout the state to give the

[2:10:58] committee something to work off of. And

[2:11:01] let me let me take this opportunity

[2:11:03] guys. We're open all day every day and

[2:11:06] uh I know a lot of you are new. You are

[2:11:09] welcome to come by anytime. We do ask

[2:11:11] that you call first so that you'll know

[2:11:14] we're there. We probably should only

[2:11:16] have one commissioner at a time because

[2:11:18] of Toma, but uh we'd be happy to sit

[2:11:20] down and go with go over with you any

[2:11:24] report, anything in our office. Um

[2:11:27] that's why we're there. Um, and then

[2:11:31] finally, um, I guess those were the

[2:11:34] three big things. And I don't, you guys

[2:11:37] may have questions about any part of

[2:11:39] this, and I'll be happy to to answer if

[2:11:41] I can.

[2:11:46] » Any questions? Commission.

[2:11:48] >> Yeah, Mr. Chairman, if if you would, I'd

[2:11:51] like to read part of the status of

[2:11:53] cases, fending deadlines. It's real

[2:11:55] important to the people on Old Lake City

[2:11:56] Highway in that community. And in one of

[2:11:59] these, we just had an a fire there

[2:12:02] that's being investigated by personal uh

[2:12:04] for arson. And this is 301 through 347

[2:12:08] Old Lake City Highway. Case was heard in

[2:12:10] Chantry Court on July 22nd, 2026 and by

[2:12:14] parties agreement. An order has been

[2:12:16] submitted requiring the demolition and

[2:12:19] removal of all mobile homes, salvage

[2:12:22] material, cars, and tractor trailers

[2:12:24] located on the property. Pending entry

[2:12:27] by chancellor.5

[2:12:29] stick built structures located on the

[2:12:31] properties are reserved for an

[2:12:33] additional hearing to be termed subject

[2:12:34] to the entry of the courts order and

[2:12:37] 3708 Lake City Highway. case was heard

[2:12:40] in central court on July 22nd, 2026 by

[2:12:43] agreement of parties agreed order

[2:12:45] requiring the mobile home to be

[2:12:47] demolished and removed within 60 days of

[2:12:49] the entry of the court's order has been

[2:12:50] submitted. Thank you.

[2:12:57] » Okay, Jamie, we added under your the uh

[2:13:00] addition of the language to

[2:13:03] satisfy the flood map thing.

[2:13:05] >> Correct. And and simply what that is the

[2:13:08] way we commission approved it and we

[2:13:11] submitted it with an exhibit that had

[2:13:13] what's called panel numbers on it. Well,

[2:13:16] they didn't like that and that's okay.

[2:13:18] They've just asked us to take those

[2:13:20] panel numbers and incorporate them into

[2:13:22] the document that the mayor filed with

[2:13:25] you tonight instead and drop the

[2:13:27] exhibit. It changes nothing. It adds

[2:13:30] nothing. It doesn't take away anything.

[2:13:32] It just transfers the location of those

[2:13:34] panel numbers.

[2:13:35] >> Okay. You need a motion to approve that.

[2:13:38] Okay. Is there a motion to approve

[2:13:41] language changes? Have a motion and a

[2:13:44] second. Any discussion?

[2:13:46] >> What's the motion again? Now

[2:13:48] >> to remove the exhibit from the previous

[2:13:52] motion that commission approved

[2:13:55] and insert it manually inside the

[2:13:59] agreement. We It was just an attachment.

[2:14:02] Uh I passed down.

[2:14:05] >> Yeah. Commissioner Wandelle, when the

[2:14:08] [clears throat]

[2:14:08] >> I'm sorry.

[2:14:09] >> When the

[2:14:09] >> I got you.

[2:14:10] >> When it was passed,

[2:14:11] >> we uh we did it one way. They didn't

[2:14:14] like it and I understand why they would

[2:14:15] want it incorporated into the document

[2:14:17] and we

[2:14:18] >> I'm good.

[2:14:18] >> This is a FEMA thing. I swear I was

[2:14:21] unclear. Thank you.

[2:14:22] >> Okay. Any further discussion? If not,

[2:14:24] all in favor of the motion, let me

[2:14:26] saying I. [clears throat]

[2:14:27] >> Any opposed? Motion carried.

[2:14:29] >> Was flock camera. Was that moved to my

[2:14:32] report?

[2:14:32] >> Okay.

[2:14:33] >> Yeah,

[2:14:33] >> it was mentioned in your report. I think

[2:14:35] we put it under operations. Uh but we

[2:14:38] probably need some explanation from you

[2:14:40] on

[2:14:40] >> Sure.

[2:14:40] >> on that.

[2:14:41] >> Well, I don't want you to get hung up on

[2:14:43] the phrase flock camera. It's a contract

[2:14:47] and the contract did not meet the

[2:14:49] requirements.

[2:14:51] Uh and

[2:14:54] at this point uh it's really

[2:14:57] commission's call. You can take it up

[2:15:02] and ratify it. There there is a

[2:15:04] provision in the law that permits the uh

[2:15:07] commission to ratify it. I would caution

[2:15:10] against that without having a a public

[2:15:12] debate about it because of TOMA. You can

[2:15:15] do nothing or you can refer and I think

[2:15:18] it would be back to the budget

[2:15:19] committee. And the reason I say that is

[2:15:22] it is uh monetary spending and um or or

[2:15:30] the sheriff can rebid it.

[2:15:33] I think those are the four options. But

[2:15:35] it has nothing to do with it just has to

[2:15:38] do with the parameters of the contract.

[2:15:40] It could be a contract for the uh

[2:15:42] service of widgets for you know it

[2:15:45] doesn't matter. It's just it's the um

[2:15:49] the way the contract was went forward

[2:15:52] and nothing to do with the contents of

[2:15:54] it.

[2:15:56] >> Okay. Mr. Wells, you have a motion.

[2:15:58] >> I would make a motion that we push this

[2:16:00] item to the budget agenda for October.

[2:16:02] Mr. Chairman

[2:16:05] have a motion and a second. Any

[2:16:07] discussion?

[2:16:10] Commissioner Wandell.

[2:16:12] >> Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I I'm going to

[2:16:14] vote against this. I think we have a

[2:16:16] contract that's not valid. I think we

[2:16:19] should terminate the contract. I

[2:16:21] understand the need to send it back to

[2:16:23] budget committee. I think we did the

[2:16:25] right thing as operations committee. We

[2:16:26] allowed the public to come speak. Uh

[2:16:29] every person that came spoke against it.

[2:16:32] I think as elected uh officials, our job

[2:16:35] is to represent the people of this

[2:16:37] county. And I think uh trying to pass

[2:16:39] this through again when it wasn't put

[2:16:42] through properly the first the second

[2:16:44] time. Let me rephrase that. And uh we

[2:16:46] don't have a valid contract. That's what

[2:16:49] the law director says. So I don't know

[2:16:51] why we'd push it back through the budget

[2:16:53] committee and try to make it right. I

[2:16:55] think we should move on. And but I'll

[2:16:57] just vote no on this motion. I just

[2:16:58] wanted to give my opinion. Thank you.

[2:17:03] » Commission.

[2:17:04] >> Thank you, Mr. Chair. from

[2:17:06] [clears throat] that uh special call

[2:17:08] meeting that we had. There was some

[2:17:10] questions asked to the flock safety

[2:17:13] representative and I haven't got those

[2:17:15] answers yet. So, I'll be voting no on

[2:17:17] this as well.

[2:17:21] » Okay.

[2:17:25] » Mayor,

[2:17:26] >> just a question. Um,

[2:17:29] so if it's sent to budget committee and

[2:17:33] I mean we've been told it's not valid,

[2:17:36] does the law director need to write a

[2:17:38] letter? Is it paused? What's the effect

[2:17:43] of being void and we're now aware that

[2:17:47] it's void? Do we need to for 30 days

[2:17:50] write them that we're pausing the

[2:17:53] program or that we're not paying or

[2:17:59] there would be a pause in the program.

[2:18:01] uh especially if it's

[2:18:04] I mean I don't know I don't know what

[2:18:06] commission's thinking is if if there's

[2:18:10] some uh if it's going back to the budget

[2:18:13] committee to be perhaps reconsidered for

[2:18:16] uh being ratified I think we we we

[2:18:20] notify flock and let them know that but

[2:18:22] if it's uh and you know we'll know after

[2:18:27] we'll kind of know where you're at after

[2:18:28] the October budget meeting it's coming.

[2:18:31] If it gets through there, it's coming

[2:18:34] ultimately to come back to commission to

[2:18:35] vote up or down on.

[2:18:38] >> I

[2:18:41] I've got a question.

[2:18:44] Uh Robbie, is this a monthly thing? Do

[2:18:47] we pay monthly or?

[2:18:49] >> It's annual.

[2:18:51] >> Annual.

[2:18:54] >> And have we paid?

[2:18:56] Currently, we have paid um in April of

[2:18:59] 26

[2:19:00] and the contract runs from or the PO was

[2:19:03] from de December to December. So, um

[2:19:06] we're paid through December of 26.

[2:19:15] » Okay.

[2:19:16] >> Is $11,000.

[2:19:18] Commissioner Pack,

[2:19:19] >> my concern with this, I know under the

[2:19:21] contract they're limited to the license

[2:19:23] plate reader only in the back of the

[2:19:25] car, but if that contract is out of

[2:19:28] date, can they do more since they're not

[2:19:32] contractually held just to do that

[2:19:34] license plate reader? Does that make

[2:19:36] sense? The contract

[2:19:39] is a two-sided thing. If that contract's

[2:19:42] out, if it said they just read the

[2:19:44] license plate, but that contract is

[2:19:46] expired, do they have the capabilities

[2:19:48] of doing more? Because they're not

[2:19:50] contractually held to do less, if that

[2:19:53] makes any sense.

[2:19:56] I don't even know capable of doing more,

[2:19:59] but

[2:19:59] >> no, they're they're not going to do

[2:20:01] that, guys. We don't do gunshot

[2:20:04] detection. We don't do we don't grab

[2:20:05] Bluetooth signals. We don't do facial

[2:20:09] recognition. We have LPRs. That's it.

[2:20:12] That's what we do. Um, from from that

[2:20:15] standpoint, I can promise you, for

[2:20:17] example, you have a pest control

[2:20:19] business, right? If I pay you just to

[2:20:22] come spray for roaches and I and our

[2:20:25] contracts up, are you just going to come

[2:20:26] treat my house for termites, too? Right.

[2:20:29] Just because you can. No. So, they're

[2:20:31] not going to throw in anything extra.

[2:20:34] Listen, the the original contract this

[2:20:37] body approved with flying colors.

[2:20:41] The new mobile camera came out something

[2:20:43] that we could physically move ourselves

[2:20:46] to uh to move to high crime areas or is

[2:20:50] needed, right? Whether it be mounted on

[2:20:52] our speed trailer or whatever the case

[2:20:54] is. We did that

[2:20:57] and the price they gave us we didn't

[2:21:00] agree with. We said, "We will pay what

[2:21:01] we pay for the first three cameras we

[2:21:03] have."

[2:21:05] They said, "You do that. We'll give you

[2:21:07] that price, but we want the extension."

[2:21:10] We took it to Jay downstairs, the

[2:21:12] contract they sent over. Jay Jagger

[2:21:14] looked at it. He blessed it. Said, "Sign

[2:21:17] it." Said, "It's just an amendment. You

[2:21:18] don't have to go back commission." So,

[2:21:20] in good faith, we did what the law

[2:21:22] director told us to. I understand

[2:21:24] standing here today, Jay got it wrong.

[2:21:26] Okay, I understand that. But Mr. Brooks

[2:21:29] is telling us that there is there's a

[2:21:32] remedy to this. It can be ratified uh

[2:21:35] starting in budget. Now, I get that that

[2:21:38] it's controversial and it's polarizing,

[2:21:40] but we're talking about LPRs, the same

[2:21:43] thing that THP has on the tops of their

[2:21:46] cars when they cruise through your

[2:21:47] jurisdictions, through your districts.

[2:21:50] We're talking about four. And we

[2:21:51] actually only have two operational

[2:21:53] because two have been vandalized.

[2:21:55] And for the commissioners that represent

[2:21:57] these municipalities,

[2:21:59] only thing you're doing is handicapping

[2:22:01] the sheriff's office. You're taking ours

[2:22:03] away. Oakidge Police Department, the

[2:22:05] Clinton Police Department, Oliver

[2:22:06] Springs, they're going to still have

[2:22:08] theirs.

[2:22:10] So th this is not

[2:22:13] I I'm and and to to the point of 75

[2:22:16] people and 31 speaking, that's not a big

[2:22:19] enough sample size of a county of 80,000

[2:22:21] people for me to make that decision on.

[2:22:24] I'm telling you, this is an incredible

[2:22:25] tool for us and it's simply we're simply

[2:22:28] it it is just generates leads. We're not

[2:22:30] getting warrants. We cannot pull it up

[2:22:33] by race, gender. It is a picture, not a

[2:22:38] video. It is the picture of the back of

[2:22:39] a literally no different than what the

[2:22:42] deputy does when he's going down the

[2:22:44] road and he calls an attack.

[2:22:48] ABC123 display on a white Dodge Astro

[2:22:52] van.

[2:22:54] It's the same information, guys. There's

[2:22:56] nothing cryptic to it.

[2:22:59] I ask that you send this to budget and

[2:23:01] let's see if we can get this ratified.

[2:23:03] Uh because I think I think that at the

[2:23:06] end of the day, if if if we concede to

[2:23:10] the to the what I believe is going to be

[2:23:11] the minority, I think if you could get

[2:23:13] this on a ballot, they'll let the voters

[2:23:15] vote, I think I think you would see that

[2:23:17] the bulk of Anderson County would be for

[2:23:19] it. Um and and if we're going to really

[2:23:22] take the position that we're going to

[2:23:25] ban technology or items because the

[2:23:29] potential for abuse, like I said at the

[2:23:32] town hall, then get ready just to give

[2:23:34] your guns up and while we're at it,

[2:23:36] let's get rid of pain medicine because

[2:23:39] my mom might be on hospice, but she may

[2:23:41] have a grandson that may misuse that and

[2:23:43] abuse that those opioids. So, I mean, we

[2:23:47] cannot live like that and operate like

[2:23:49] that. And and I think

[2:23:53] what we're all for in law enforcement at

[2:23:55] least is we're looking for for stronger

[2:23:58] guidelines. And if if we have an

[2:24:00] officer, particularly an Anderson County

[2:24:02] deputy who's misusing this, they

[2:24:04] absolutely ought to be terminated. And I

[2:24:05] have zero qualms with them being charged

[2:24:07] criminally. They should be if they're

[2:24:10] misusing it. But we got zero evidence of

[2:24:14] that. And you're talking about

[2:24:15] approximately 40 cameras between

[2:24:17] municipalities and the sheriff's office.

[2:24:19] We have four.

[2:24:21] And at the end of the day, if there's a

[2:24:23] critical incident, a case we can't solve

[2:24:25] or we can't get to somebody in time,

[2:24:28] I will bring the victim and the family

[2:24:30] here to this body and let you guys tell

[2:24:32] them why we didn't have that tool. I

[2:24:34] won't make that phone call because the

[2:24:37] hysteria that's been drumed up over

[2:24:40] flock.

[2:24:42] So much of it just simply isn't true. It

[2:24:45] just isn't.

[2:24:48] >> There's a remedy here. You send it back

[2:24:50] to budget.

[2:24:53] Commissioner Vil. [clears throat]

[2:24:55] >> Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Uh

[2:24:58] since the motion was made by

[2:25:00] Commissioner Wells and thank you for

[2:25:02] that, sir. And it was seconded.

[2:25:04] The motion on the floor was send it back

[2:25:06] to budget.

[2:25:07] >> The reason we were going to send it back

[2:25:09] to budget was because the law director

[2:25:10] brought to us a concern that dealt with

[2:25:12] the contract of the cameras.

[2:25:14] >> Yes,

[2:25:15] >> that's what the topic of the

[2:25:16] conversation was. We did exactly what

[2:25:19] the law director warned us not to do. We

[2:25:22] started talking about the actual cameras

[2:25:25] themselves. Okay? And I get that hot

[2:25:28] button issue. Okay. But please, can we

[2:25:32] send this issue to the budget committee?

[2:25:35] Let's talk about the issue with this

[2:25:36] contract. Let's decide whether or not

[2:25:39] we're what we're going to do about this

[2:25:42] contract. There will be a time for this

[2:25:45] continuing conversation about are the

[2:25:48] cameras good or are the cameras bad. We

[2:25:50] can have that conversation at some

[2:25:51] point.

[2:25:53] That's not what this is about. I think

[2:25:54] we're trying to marry two issues that

[2:25:56] need to be divorced. give you a common

[2:25:58] question.

[2:26:00] >> No, I'm not going to do that.

[2:26:01] >> Commissioner Val, I agree 100% with you,

[2:26:03] but the the fact of the matter is they

[2:26:05] can't be separated because if not for

[2:26:11] the the media coverage and all the

[2:26:14] chatter on social media,

[2:26:16] you guys would send this back to fix it.

[2:26:19] No questions asked.

[2:26:22] If it were anything else other than

[2:26:24] LPRs, it would simply be sent down and

[2:26:26] we'd already been gone tonight.

[2:26:29] So, I appreciate the law director. I

[2:26:31] appreciate your words, but at the end of

[2:26:32] the day, they are married together.

[2:26:34] They're more than married together.

[2:26:36] They're Siamese twins. You can't have

[2:26:38] one without the other.

[2:26:40] >> Commissioner is Bill.

[2:26:41] >> Thank you, Mr. Chairman, for actually

[2:26:44] allowing me to speak on this twice,

[2:26:45] maybe, and I'll do it quick. uh what

[2:26:47] comes into play in what we took up was

[2:26:51] the constitutionality

[2:26:53] and I think there is an a opinion from

[2:26:57] the state attorney general. Is that

[2:26:59] correct? Have you seen that?

[2:27:00] >> I've not seen that.

[2:27:01] >> Okay. AG I know he did a interview and

[2:27:04] gave his opinion there and I'm not quite

[2:27:07] sure you know I don't know if the mayor

[2:27:09] has that opinion yet or not or but

[2:27:11] anyway he gave his opinion and but he

[2:27:14] thinks it should go to the state

[2:27:16] legislature

[2:27:18] you know for them to make a decision on

[2:27:20] as well but the uh

[2:27:25] like I said and and the sheriff is right

[2:27:28] and we got a great sheriff's department

[2:27:30] we got some of the best inst

[2:27:31] investigators in the country. I

[2:27:33] [clears throat] can tell you because I

[2:27:33] know firsthand. But we're sworn to

[2:27:36] uphold the Constitution and and that's

[2:27:38] where I'm coming from. Thank you.

[2:27:41] >> Commissioner E Caps.

[2:27:43] >> My questions again about the policy that

[2:27:46] you have in place for how if an officer

[2:27:50] does access the data, what are the what

[2:27:54] are the punish what's the punishment?

[2:27:56] >> So I if we were

[2:27:58] >> Mr. Chairman, I have to call point of

[2:27:59] order. motion on the floor is referred

[2:28:01] to budget and I with all due respect

[2:28:03] commissioner part of this referring it

[2:28:05] to budget is so we can deal with the

[2:28:06] actual contract at hand. If I'm out of

[2:28:09] line for saying this I assume operations

[2:28:10] can bring up the constitutionality at

[2:28:12] your next operations meeting and we can

[2:28:14] discuss both at the full commission. I

[2:28:15] just feel there's going to be redundancy

[2:28:16] next month on the same the same thing.

[2:28:18] So

[2:28:20] >> yeah,

[2:28:21] >> I'll get with you.

[2:28:22] >> Well, that that's going to influence how

[2:28:24] I vote

[2:28:27] >> to to to your point. Um, I offered that

[2:28:30] night at the town hall,

[2:28:33] um, anyone who wanted it, our policy on

[2:28:38] flock, right? I had zero takers. I got

[2:28:41] my first request for our policy

[2:28:46] two hours before this meeting started by

[2:28:47] someone who wasn't in attendance. They

[2:28:51] just got curious on their own. So that's

[2:28:54] why part of my part of me believes that

[2:28:57] it's it's not the issue that everybody

[2:28:59] says it is because nobody's really doing

[2:29:01] homework. They're they're just both

[2:29:04] sides are hitting talking points. So but I'll be more than happy to send it

[2:29:09] to you. I'll send it tonight.

[2:29:11] >> Commissioner Palmer.

[2:29:12] >> Um so will you take this as a second

[2:29:15] request or do I need to send you an

[2:29:17] email because I would like to have those

[2:29:19] policies.

[2:29:19] >> No. Yeah, I'll take it a second request.

[2:29:20] You'll have it. And um the what I wanted

[2:29:23] to point out is when that first contract

[2:29:25] was voted upon 12 of us or I guess 11 of

[2:29:28] us were not did not see the contract. So

[2:29:31] I am for sending this to budget because

[2:29:33] I want to see the contract and see uh

[2:29:36] what he is that everything that he is

[2:29:39] saying is true. Not that I don't believe

[2:29:41] you. It's just I want to see it in

[2:29:44] writing and [cough] I will do

[2:29:45] [clears throat] my homework. Thank you.

[2:29:47] >> Okay.

[2:29:50] Okay, I have a motion and a second

[2:29:52] to refer to the budget committee the

[2:29:55] flock camera

[2:29:58] contract.

[2:30:01] Any further discussion? If not, all in

[2:30:04] favor of the motion

[2:30:05] >> vote, please.

[2:30:06] >> Uh board vote requested.

[2:30:10] [clears throat]

[2:30:28] Motion pass. [clears throat]

[2:30:41] » Next items the operation committee.

[2:30:42] Commissioner Iswell. Mr. Chair,

[2:30:45] >> first under the mayor's report,

[2:30:47] Commissioner Barry made a motion to

[2:30:48] support the TNCP

[2:30:50] participation. Second by Commissioner

[2:30:52] Pack. Motion passed uh to forward the

[2:30:55] full commission for approval.

[2:31:01] Is there a motion?

[2:31:04] Have a motion and a second. Any

[2:31:06] discussion?

[2:31:08] If not, I'll in favor of the motion

[2:31:10] saying I.

[2:31:11] >> I.

[2:31:12] >> Any oppose? Motion carried.

[2:31:15] >> Under strategic planning, Commissioner

[2:31:18] Mo Commissioner Palmer made a motion to

[2:31:20] have a workshop on October 30th from

[2:31:22] 8:30 to 4:00 at the Anders County

[2:31:24] Chamber of Commerce. Motion passes

[2:31:27] forward full commission for approval.

[2:31:31] >> Have a motion and second.

[2:31:33] Any discussion?

[2:31:35] If not, all in favor of the motion, let

[2:31:37] me know saying I.

[2:31:39] >> Any opposed? Motion carried. Anders

[2:31:42] County 2027 holiday schedule.

[2:31:44] Commissioner Vin made a motion to

[2:31:46] approve the 2027 holiday schedule.

[2:31:48] Seconded by Commissioner E. Capshaw.

[2:31:50] Motion passed forward to full commission

[2:31:52] for approval.

[2:31:57] » Have a motion and second. Any

[2:31:59] discussion?

[2:32:01] If not, all in favor of the motion

[2:32:03] saying I. I.

[2:32:04] >> Any opposed? Motion carry.

[2:32:08] >> That concludes all the action items of

[2:32:09] the operations committee report.

[2:32:14] Okay, next item is the road committee.

[2:32:16] Commissioner Evony Capsaw.

[2:32:19] >> Ro committee was called to order. Um at

[2:32:21] 407.

[2:32:23] Um we did have a I did want to highlight

[2:32:25] we did have a citizen uh Miss Jordan who

[2:32:28] wanted to thank the road superintendent

[2:32:30] and highway department for their good

[2:32:32] work performed on Bank and Spring Bacon

[2:32:34] Springs Road and Key Springs Road. Um

[2:32:37] Commissioner action items. Commissioner

[2:32:39] Wandell made a motion to pass speed

[2:32:40] limits for Philips Frill Frills Road 20

[2:32:44] mph, Strawberry Lane 25 miles per hour,

[2:32:47] Mike Miller Lane 20 miles hour.

[2:32:49] Commissioner Ispel seconded motion. Um,

[2:32:52] make a motion to approve. It's the only

[2:32:55] action item.

[2:32:57] >> Have a motion and a second. Any

[2:32:59] discussion? Commissioner Palmer. Um just

[2:33:02] a clarification, do we approve the

[2:33:05] minutes of committees

[2:33:07] or do we just approve the action items

[2:33:10] that are

[2:33:10] >> just the action items?

[2:33:11] >> Okay, so the motion would be just to

[2:33:13] approve the uh speed limits for

[2:33:16] Strawberry Lane, Mike Miller, and the

[2:33:19] other ones. Correct.

[2:33:20] >> Yes.

[2:33:21] >> Okay. So, can is that the motion on the

[2:33:24] floor?

[2:33:25] >> Yes. Okay.

[2:33:28] >> Thank you, Chad. That second. Okay. Any

[2:33:31] discussion? If not, all in favor of the

[2:33:34] motion by saying I.

[2:33:35] >> I.

[2:33:36] >> Any oppose? Motion carry.

[2:33:41] Next item. Fire commission. Commissioner

[2:33:43] Wandelle.

[2:33:44] >> Mr. Chairman. Uh, we didn't meet last

[2:33:45] month, but I have the minutes here

[2:33:47] before me for July. I believe it is, or

[2:33:50] maybe it's August, it looks like. Uh,

[2:33:52] the only action item I guess that was on

[2:33:53] there was a motion to make Josh Lane

[2:33:55] primary representative and Tim Roach

[2:33:58] secondary representative for E911

[2:34:00] Advisory Group. Made by Dusty Sharp,

[2:34:03] seconded by Tyler Kick.

[2:34:10] » Is we need to take action on that?

[2:34:13] >> I don't know.

[2:34:13] >> I don't think so.

[2:34:14] It's just committee.

[2:34:17] >> It's just

[2:34:18] >> But that's all I have. We will be

[2:34:19] meeting uh coming up this month. Uh I

[2:34:22] don't have the date in front of me.

[2:34:23] Usually first Tuesday I believe it is.

[2:34:27] >> Okay. Was the fire fire commission was

[2:34:29] there any vacancies on that committee?

[2:34:32] >> Yeah. Tim took it.

[2:34:35] >> Okay. Okay.

[2:34:38] >> Okay. Next item.

[2:34:39] >> Served on it for years and then came

[2:34:41] away.

[2:34:43] >> Next item is any unfinished business.

[2:34:46] >> Yep. Under new business. We have the

[2:34:50] finance committee.

[2:34:52] >> Yeah.

[2:34:54] >> No unfinished business.

[2:34:55] >> Yeah.

[2:34:57] >> Oh, that's what I was.

[2:34:58] >> Okay. Okay. Under new business, finance

[2:35:01] committee appointment of

[2:35:06] >> in front of us, whoever who's on there

[2:35:07] now. And and my question would be, is

[2:35:10] there another sitting commissioner that

[2:35:12] would like to have that spot?

[2:35:15] >> Mr.

[2:35:17] I know Denise and I had spoken earlier

[2:35:19] about um that would not be on this

[2:35:23] agenda. There's a public notice going

[2:35:25] out running the courier on the 30th

[2:35:27] since Bill Jagger did put his name in.

[2:35:30] The deadline for applications is October

[2:35:32] the 9th. So that'll be on next month.

[2:35:39] » We didn't lose anybody offer

[2:35:50] So will this be an addition?

[2:35:51] >> It will be an addition. So I guess if

[2:35:53] you any other citizens

[2:35:54] >> chairman

[2:36:00] » there are four openings because all

[2:36:02] commissioner seats are open.

[2:36:03] >> Okay.

[2:36:04] >> So the the only ones that are statute is

[2:36:06] the mayor, the director of schools and

[2:36:10] the highway the other four positions. We

[2:36:13] had it on the agenda for September 1st.

[2:36:14] We didn't take action on them because we

[2:36:16] were going to do it tonight and then so

[2:36:18] all four positions are open. I don't

[2:36:21] remember who all applied but then we did

[2:36:23] not take action on it because we had a

[2:36:24] member from the community that wanted to

[2:36:26] apply.

[2:36:37] Guess I've got the floor. I was going to

[2:36:38] make a motion that we um nominate Phil

[2:36:42] Jagger to the finance committee. I'm

[2:36:44] happy to take reference from Mr. Brooks

[2:36:45] or Mr. Chairman on if we should delay

[2:36:48] this a month, allow the the public input

[2:36:50] or

[2:36:52] you were going to second. So, I'll defer

[2:36:54] Mr. Commissioner Wandelle.

[2:36:56] >> Well, well, I think based on if it's out

[2:36:59] been put out in the paper, we have to

[2:37:01] wait till October. We can't just appoint

[2:37:03] him.

[2:37:04] >> So, I'll I'll remove my

[2:37:05] >> Yeah.

[2:37:06] >> my motion from the floor.

[2:37:07] >> And I'll I didn't know that, but I I'll

[2:37:09] remove mine, too, Mr. Chairman.

[2:37:12] >> Chairman Mckame. Um, if I could add to

[2:37:14] the the finance committee is made up of,

[2:37:16] like you, Commissioner Foster said, the

[2:37:18] mayor, the road superintendent, and the

[2:37:19] school superintendent are three

[2:37:20] permanent members. The other four

[2:37:23] members do not have to be from the

[2:37:24] commission body. They can be citizens.

[2:37:26] We've never had one

[2:37:30] want to serve, but since Commissioner J,

[2:37:33] former Commissioner Joerger asked to

[2:37:35] serve, then I feel like we they should

[2:37:37] public notice and off, you know, so

[2:37:39] other citizens can have the opportunity

[2:37:42] as well. If um they would like

[2:37:44] >> I'm on I'm on it, aren't I?

[2:37:46] >> Yeah,

[2:37:46] >> you are. Yes.

[2:37:49] >> Currently, it's Commissioner Wandelle,

[2:37:51] Commissioner Isabel, Commissioner

[2:37:52] Foster, and Commissioner Palmer, and the

[2:37:54] three permanent members. So that's why I

[2:37:57] none of the commissioners that were on

[2:37:59] the finance committee lost the election.

[2:38:01] So that's why I said there was no

[2:38:02] openings. But I understand that each

[2:38:04] year, but we do have a citizen now that

[2:38:07] wants to be on the committee and that is

[2:38:08] an allowable under the 81 law

[2:38:11] >> that is allowed.

[2:38:12] >> It is all four positions could be

[2:38:13] citizens. Doesn't have to be commission.

[2:38:16] >> So I just wanted to clarify that.

[2:38:18] >> Okay. Were the previous members

[2:38:21] have a term or was their term up or

[2:38:24] >> Well, I think we took this up a year

[2:38:26] ago. So, we are we doing this each year,

[2:38:28] Mike?

[2:38:28] >> Every position on committees are a

[2:38:31] one-year term. There are no terms.

[2:38:32] They're just every September 1st, we

[2:38:35] have to pick new committees.

[2:38:37] That's what our rules say.

[2:38:41] » And that's what we did on September 1st

[2:38:44] except for finance. And then I think

[2:38:46] there was one other one that we didn't

[2:38:47] have enough but I think we end up

[2:38:49] filling it.

[2:38:51] >> Okay. So what you're saying now then is

[2:38:53] that we have four opens on finance

[2:38:57] committee.

[2:38:58] >> There are four positions that are

[2:39:01] available to be picked from.

[2:39:04] >> Okay. Three are statutory that cannot

[2:39:06] they have to be a certain position. the

[2:39:07] other four. You know, traditionally,

[2:39:09] like I said, it's been four

[2:39:10] commissioners since we, you know, since

[2:39:12] the committee was put together, but it

[2:39:13] doesn't have to be. And we've never had

[2:39:14] somebody from the public be interested.

[2:39:17] >> So, it's being advertised

[2:39:21] 9:30.

[2:39:22] Deadline for applications is October the

[2:39:25] 9th.

[2:39:26] >> Okay.

[2:39:28] So, there's no action to be taken.

[2:39:30] >> Mr. Mr. Chair, I just say that the

[2:39:32] finance [clears throat] committee wasn't

[2:39:34] meeting until October anyway. So, there

[2:39:36] was plenty of time to put them put this

[2:39:40] committee in place before

[2:39:42] um before they met. [clears throat]

[2:39:44] >> So, Commissioner Wells, I we've got it

[2:39:47] on the agenda, so we need somebody you

[2:39:48] want to defer it October. I'll

[2:39:51] >> make a move. I'll second

[2:39:58] » have. Excuse me. Motion to defer.

[2:40:05] Any discussion?

[2:40:08] All in favor say I.

[2:40:10] >> I.

[2:40:10] >> Any opposed?

[2:40:12] [clears throat] Motion carried.

[2:40:15] Any announcements,

[2:40:17] Mr.

[2:40:18] >> Chairman.

[2:40:21] I got two and I got a question

[2:40:24] about the minutes and

[2:40:27] like say fire commission minutes instead

[2:40:30] of waiting till 30 days from then if we

[2:40:34] took the minutes of the meeting,

[2:40:36] somebody took the minutes of the

[2:40:37] meeting, could those be voted on at the

[2:40:39] end of the meeting so they could be go

[2:40:41] ahead and submitted for our next full

[2:40:43] county commission meeting or do we

[2:40:45] always have to wait 30 days? Because to

[2:40:48] me, if you're doing the minutes and all

[2:40:50] those people are present, it's going to

[2:40:52] be fresh on their mind and they can

[2:40:54] either accept or decline. But I was just

[2:40:57] wondering if we could do that.

[2:41:03] » I just Sorry. I don't think and I I'll

[2:41:06] lead to law director. I don't think

[2:41:08] they're not written meetings you're

[2:41:09] approving. like unless somebody's

[2:41:11] writing them then like I just don't know

[2:41:15] that that [clears throat]

[2:41:17] word for word checking them that kind of

[2:41:18] thing no time to review then it's like

[2:41:21] do that to be added to the agenda to be

[2:41:23] approved that's would be my question I

[2:41:25] just

[2:41:25] >> yeah well where I'm coming from

[2:41:27] >> I was going to get one of those AI

[2:41:29] >> because everybody's doing it I'm going

[2:41:31] to learn how to use it

[2:41:32] >> uh anyway they do the minutes

[2:41:35] >> for you and you could read them and you

[2:41:37] could approve them because what happens

[2:41:39] is sometimes if you wait 30 days those

[2:41:42] same people are not at the meeting

[2:41:44] >> and then some people was there and and

[2:41:46] you know I feel like if I'm not at the

[2:41:47] meeting I have to abstain because I

[2:41:49] don't know what was talked about but I

[2:41:51] was just asking a question if we could

[2:41:52] do that

[2:41:54] >> law director you got an opinion on this

[2:41:56] >> not tonight but I mean I don't I mean

[2:41:59] just just the accuracy would be the

[2:42:01] concern. Um

[2:42:02] >> I I think it'd be more accurate if you

[2:42:04] do it right then because everybody said,

[2:42:05] "Yeah, you're right. That's what we

[2:42:07] said." Then waiting 30 days. But that's

[2:42:09] just my opinion.

[2:42:14] » I I think Mr. Chairman like if you look

[2:42:16] at operations committee for instance,

[2:42:18] that is a subcommittee of commission

[2:42:21] then

[2:42:23] you know that's an action that's coming

[2:42:25] before you. But for instance,

[2:42:28] let's take our animal advisory group

[2:42:30] that has citizens on there, other

[2:42:33] members and that committee is required

[2:42:37] to approve its own minutes and that's

[2:42:40] why you have to wait why you wait till

[2:42:43] they approve it and then it comes and appears. So I probably I mean there

[2:42:49] might be a way just to we'd have to

[2:42:50] break it down by committee to to see

[2:42:53] exactly which ones that we're talking

[2:42:55] about.

[2:42:56] >> Yeah. I I know sometimes that you know

[2:42:58] it just delays things by having to wait

[2:43:00] 30 days or whatever. But it was just a

[2:43:03] thought and then I wanted to say that I

[2:43:05] support my fellow commissioner bow on

[2:43:07] the library board. I mean he tries hard.

[2:43:11] uh he he takes a lot of grief from

[2:43:14] people but he's doing the best that he

[2:43:17] can.

[2:43:20] I I was just going to add that's what I

[2:43:22] was going to say about the minutes as

[2:43:23] well plus it also you know they have to

[2:43:27] approve it at the beginning the minutes

[2:43:29] from last time if there's action items

[2:43:32] the action items would come to the

[2:43:34] regular agenda immediately but the

[2:43:37] minutes would be would would I mean we

[2:43:41] would be approving it as a body before

[2:43:43] the committee itself approved their

[2:43:45] minutes if we did it that Okay.

[2:43:59] » I have one. Okay.

[2:44:00] >> We have the um [clears throat]

[2:44:02] the antique festival, Michael.

[2:44:04] >> The first weekend in October, it's

[2:44:07] downtown Clinton, the second and the

[2:44:09] third, and it is a really big a big

[2:44:12] deal. We've got lots of good

[2:44:14] entertainment, lots of good shopping.

[2:44:16] So, come on down to Clinton on October

[2:44:18] the 2nd and 3rd. And also wanted to let

[2:44:21] you guys know that on that Saturday um

[2:44:24] the 3 at 8:30 that morning before the

[2:44:28] festival, there will be we will be

[2:44:30] having our fifth annual prayer walk for

[2:44:33] Anderson County. Every year it grows and

[2:44:36] so um come on down even a little earlier

[2:44:39] for the prayer walk. Thank you. Anything

[2:44:43] else?

[2:44:46] Clarice speak adjourned.

Anderson County Commission: September 21, 2026

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