[0:05] Um, hello everybody. Would like to um go

[0:09] ahead and call the multimodal

[0:10] transportation advisory board committee

[0:13] um together today again. And I hope

[0:16] everybody's had a great summer. And I

[0:18] want to remind everybody, and we'll talk

[0:20] about this throughout the meeting, but

[0:21] um it's triit week September 8th through

[0:24] 12th.

[0:26] So, there's a lot of events going on and

[0:28] we'll talk more about those today, but

[0:30] uh just excited about the week so that

[0:32] we can do our extra promotions of

[0:35] transit during this week. Um um hey

[0:39] there. Um it looks like um we have um

[0:44] someone here from the community for the

[0:46] public comment. So, I'd like to call up

[0:50] Sandy Miller. Sandy, if you wouldn't

[0:52] mind coming up, we'd love to hear from

[0:54] you um to share your comments. I believe

[0:58] they may have discussed with you. Hey,

[1:00] welcome. Welcome. We appreciate you

[1:01] coming tonight. We usually don't get

[1:03] visitors, so we're excited. Anytime the

[1:04] community can come,

[1:07] share comments that. But now, Jen had

[1:09] mentioned that you all meet and she

[1:11] knows I do a fair amount of cycling. And

[1:13] » Excuse me, can you step up to please?

[1:15] » So, we'd like for you to come on up. So,

[1:17] come on up and give us your name and um

[1:20] where you live and we've got three can

[1:22] give you three minutes um to share um

[1:25] your thoughts and comments to our um

[1:28] advisory board.

[1:29] » Okie do. Um Sandy Miller um 103 Halls

[1:34] Court um just kind of down the hill in

[1:36] the Ape or Heatherwood Town Homes. Um

[1:40] like I said, uh Jen had mentioned, you

[1:42] know, you all do this and she said,

[1:43] "Well, you cycle. Do you have any

[1:45] thoughts or out?" I was like, "Well,

[1:46] I'll shoot." Um, so I usually disappear

[1:50] from my front door and head basically

[1:53] west, but I end up going through Apex to

[1:56] do so. Um, somewhere between

[2:01] 25 and 45 miles and kind of out and

[2:04] about. Um, going through uh like the

[2:08] roads like in Apex. Um, roads are in

[2:12] great shape and you know, curbing and

[2:13] lights and whatnot. And I've got three

[2:15] blinkers um on my bike and loud

[2:18] obnoxious clothing. So um I'm if you're

[2:22] going to hit me, you're going to have to

[2:23] try. Um so um let's see. And I've I've

[2:27] really not had any issues um with, you

[2:30] know, getting run off the road or

[2:32] anything like that. Knock on something.

[2:34] Um there have been a couple of occasions

[2:37] I know and I don't know like I asked Jan

[2:39] I said well you know uh in town, out of

[2:42] town and she said whatever.

[2:44] Okay. So, um there are some um in town

[2:48] when roads have been improved um if you

[2:52] will and say if one is coming like into

[2:55] Apex off of um on old one and um there's

[3:00] a neighborhood on the left and they

[3:02] wanted to restrict

[3:04] people coming out of that neighborhood.

[3:06] So rather than being able to go left and

[3:08] right out of there, they've got a burm

[3:11] in the down the center of the road. It's

[3:15] like, well, that I can see why that is a

[3:17] good thing. But from from a cyclist

[3:20] point of view, the shoulders to the

[3:22] right of the white line are limited. Um,

[3:25] so cars don't really want to wait for a

[3:29] cyclist to go by. So despite the fact

[3:32] that there's a burm there, they will

[3:34] squeeze by and it's scary as heck. Um,

[3:37] so and again, I'll I'll ride the white

[3:39] line or to the right of it if I can. Um,

[3:43] I will not ride, side note, in a group.

[3:46] I know that there are a lot of bike

[3:47] shops that do do that. I will not

[3:49] because you get a group of cyclists and

[3:51] they don't yield. And as a driver,

[3:55] that's frustrating. as a cyclist is

[3:57] scary as heck because again the drivers

[4:00] get angry and it's it's a mess. So I'll

[4:02] I'm a solo rider. So I'll squeeze over

[4:04] to the right. Um maybe the only other

[4:07] thing that drives me baddy, although I

[4:10] can understand why from a um

[4:15] uh roads standpoint, it is a good thing.

[4:17] But the the ribbing, the um rumble

[4:21] strips or whatever you call them,

[4:22] they're on the right hand side of the

[4:24] road and um in the center as well.

[4:26] Again, I understand why um from a

[4:29] driver's point of view. Oops. Is that my

[4:32] three minutes?

[4:33] » Sorry, you can finish your

[4:34] » Okay. Um, but anyway, so great from a

[4:37] from a car safety standpoint, from a

[4:39] bike standpoint, also scary because I

[4:42] can't go to the right of that white line

[4:44] because it's, you know, shake your

[4:46] fillings loose. So, you end up out in

[4:48] the lane with the with the cars. So,

[4:52] again, from a cyclist point of view, um,

[4:54] I I really don't like those. And there

[4:57] they've been added more and more places.

[4:59] And again, I understand, but um from a

[5:02] cyclist point, I really don't like that.

[5:04] And it curtails where you can ride. So

[5:07] anyway, is that my three minutes?

[5:09] » Okie dokie.

[5:10] » Thank you so much.

[5:11] » Thank you for listening. I appreciate

[5:12] it.

[5:12] » We appreciate the input. Thank you.

[5:18] All right. We'd like to call on the town

[5:21] clerk's office um to go through some

[5:24] administrative um updates.

[5:34] Okay,

[5:35] good afternoon. I am not Ashley U, but I

[5:38] am here in herstead. Um, so presenting

[5:41] to you all two items for consideration.

[5:44] Uh, the first is proposing moving the

[5:46] November 4th meeting um to the training

[5:49] room uh training rooms 3A and 3B. Um, so

[5:53] separate from the council chambers where

[5:55] you all normally meet. And then the

[5:56] second item is included in your agenda

[5:58] packet is the meeting schedule for

[6:00] calendar year 2027. This keeps um the

[6:03] consistent second Wednesday every other

[6:06] month at 4:45 at town hall. Um you have

[6:10] the schedule in your agenda packet. I

[6:12] have not received any comments on that.

[6:14] So just looking for a motion to adopt

[6:17] both the amendment of the schedule for

[6:19] November 2026 as well as amendment to or

[6:23] adoption of the 2027 meeting calendar.

[6:26] So moved

[6:27] » Or both?

[6:28] » Yes.

[6:28] » Okay.

[6:30] » Would someone like to second?

[6:32] » I'll second. Jennifer second.

[6:36] We've got a motion and a second to um

[6:39] approve the November 4th meeting to the

[6:42] training room and to approve the meeting

[6:45] calendar. All those in favor, please

[6:48] signify by saying I.

[6:49] » I. I.

[6:50] » Anyone oppose?

[6:52] » Okay. Both of those car.

[6:54] » Thank you. Thank you.

[6:59] » At this time, um, we'll go through the

[7:02] meeting minutes

[7:07] and I'll look to Chris Watson. Did you

[7:10] have a couple?

[7:10] » Yes. Just one quick comment before

[7:12] handing it back over to you, Madam

[7:13] Chair. Uh, I want to call everyone's

[7:15] attention to the July 28th safety

[7:18] subcommittee minutes. Um, on page two of

[7:21] the minutes, which it will be page 43 of

[7:24] your entire agenda packet, um, uh,

[7:27] member Bruner has asked that we add the

[7:29] following statement to, um, the bottom

[7:32] of that page. Right after it says,

[7:33] member Bruner shared that direct

[7:35] complaints are difficult on a low

[7:36] ridership route because it becomes

[7:38] personal. Um, we are going to add um if

[7:42] it's if it if it passes here on a low

[7:45] ridership bus, complaining about a

[7:47] specific driver is risky because the

[7:48] driver can easily identify who made

[7:50] their complaint and retaliate by not

[7:52] picking you up at the stop. And then

[7:54] there's one more change um to the same

[7:56] minutes on page three. Essentially, we

[8:00] will just be removing the statement

[8:02] where it says briefly talked about

[8:04] extreme heat, bus driver shortage, and

[8:06] accurate bus stop signs C attachment.

[8:09] Um, that is currently under the followup

[8:11] from staff section. Moving that up to

[8:14] emerging issues items. First, want to

[8:17] pause, make sure that that's an accurate

[8:18] representation of the request, and then

[8:20] hand it back over to you for discussion.

[8:22] » Correct. Thank I didn't realize that was

[8:24] all going to come formally. I thought I

[8:26] was editing drafts, but thank you for

[8:28] carrying that over.

[8:29] » So, that's just a request um for

[8:31] revisions for the safety minutes and

[8:32] then all the other regular meeting and

[8:34] subcommittee minutes are as um what's

[8:37] included in the packet. No changes to

[8:39] those.

[8:41] I'll hand it back over to you.

[8:43] » Chris, um on those So, can you give us

[8:46] the line number? That may be helpful

[8:48] because I know we've got line numbers on

[8:49] some of those pages.

[8:52] just just for those that may be looking

[8:54] and following along.

[9:02] » Sorry, I thought I had it pulled up.

[9:23] Okay.

[9:29] I think you had mentioned page 43,

[9:32] which would be page two of the minutes,

[9:34] but I just want to make sure that we've

[9:35] got the line number.

[9:36] » Mhm.

[9:38] » Correct.

[9:50] Okay. So the first revision on page 43

[9:53] of agenda packet page two it will be

[9:56] line number

[9:59] um

[10:05] 27.

[10:06] So directly following line 27 carries

[10:08] over to line 28, we will add the

[10:10] statement that I read directly following

[10:12] that sentence.

[10:14] » Okay.

[10:15] » And then the second one,

[10:18] page three, carrying on to page four, um

[10:22] the emerging issues related to priority

[10:24] task. And then on that line 45, we will

[10:27] move that

[10:29] from the following section.

[10:32] » Okay. Thank you. Any questions about

[10:36] those before we

[10:39] So, um, we'll start with, um, uh,

[10:44] approval of the minutes starting with

[10:45] the May 13th. I'd like to see if anybody

[10:49] would like to entertain a motion to

[10:50] approve the meeting minutes from the May

[10:53] 13th regular meeting. Would someone like

[10:56] to make a motion?

[10:57] » So, move.

[10:59] » We have a motion.

[11:00] » Seconded

[11:00] » And a second.

[11:03] So, sorry to interrupt, but I'm helping

[11:05] to take notes. Would And I can't see and

[11:09] » Okay.

[11:10] » Who was who was the If you could just

[11:11] state your name.

[11:13] » Noah.

[11:14] » Uh Noah.

[11:15] » Noah top.

[11:17] » For the motion. Yes.

[11:19] » Patrick Curley for the second.

[11:20] » Thank you.

[11:21] » All those in favor signify by saying I.

[11:23] » I. I.

[11:24] » Anyone opposed?

[11:27] » Okay. So moved. And at this point, um,

[11:30] would someone like to entertain a motion

[11:32] and please state your name, um, to

[11:35] approve the minutes for the July 17th,

[11:37] um, move to this is Gay. July

[11:40] » Gay. Anyone second?

[11:42] » I'll second. Second.

[11:44] » Okay, it's a motion and a second. All

[11:46] those in favor signify by saying I.

[11:49] » I.

[11:50] » Anyone oppose?

[11:52] Thank you.

[11:54] Now, we'd like to see if anyone would

[11:55] like to entertain a motion for the

[11:57] minutes for the July 6 infrastructure

[12:00] subcommittee meeting.

[12:03] » A motion.

[12:04] » This Patrick Pat made the motion. One

[12:08] second.

[12:10] Uh, Gay, I'll second.

[12:12] » Okay. All those in favor, please signify

[12:15] by saying I.

[12:16] » I.

[12:16] » Anyone opposed? Thank you.

[12:20] Um, at this point, we'll um ask for a

[12:23] motion to approve the minutes from

[12:26] Can I do both of those at the same time

[12:28] with the edits? Are y'all okay with

[12:29] that?

[12:30] » That okay. The June 18th and the July

[12:35] 28th with edits that were shared um just

[12:38] a few minutes ago um for the safety

[12:41] subcommittee meetings. Is there a motion

[12:43] um on that? I do have one question

[12:46] » Before we approve um the item in our

[12:49] minutes about possibly amending the name

[12:51] of the committee. I know it may be later

[12:52] in the agenda. I want to make sure if we

[12:54] don't need to do it now.

[12:55] » Correct. That will be later in the

[12:57] » Later. Making sure. Then I'll make a

[12:58] motion to approve the minutes. Jennifer

[13:00] Aaylor.

[13:01] » Thank you, Jennifer. Is there a second?

[13:04] » I'll second it. Second.

[13:05] » Okay. All those in favor signify by

[13:07] saying I.

[13:08] » I.

[13:09] » Anyone opposed?

[13:11] Okay. Thank you guys. a lot of minutes,

[13:13] a lot of lot of great work going on. So,

[13:15] thank you so much,

[13:16] » Madam Chair, if I may take a point of

[13:18] privilege. Um, last meeting that that I

[13:21] attended was I missed the July meeting.

[13:23] I was out of town, but the meeting in

[13:25] May, uh, I very confidently stated that

[13:28] the subcommittees could meet u, you

[13:30] know, because there were not enough

[13:32] people to make a quorum so the sub

[13:34] committees could meet without public uh,

[13:37] uh, disclosure or public um,

[13:39] announcement of those meetings. I very

[13:41] confidently stated that and I was very

[13:42] confidently wrong in all of that. So I'm

[13:45] I know that Chris and uh I think uh

[13:49] Katie sorted that out with with the

[13:50] subcommittees. So I appreciate everybody

[13:53] kind of rolling with the incorrect

[13:55] guidance that I had had provided at the

[13:57] time. U and I do appreciate the

[13:59] subcommittees getting together and

[14:02] reading through the minutes and some of

[14:03] the topics being discussed. So uh thank

[14:06] you all for uh meeting and getting

[14:08] together.

[14:09] » Thank you. Thank you.

[14:13] » Okay, at this time um we'll go ahead and

[14:16] talk about the subcommittee work. Um the

[14:19] fiscal year 2027 work plan subcommittee.

[14:22] We have updates from each of the

[14:24] committees. I believe um and uh I'll

[14:28] start with community outreach.

[14:30] Um

[14:32] the community outreach committee met

[14:36] on um July 17th from 3:00 to 5:00 at the

[14:39] Mason Street Municipal Building. And

[14:42] you've of course um seen the minutes,

[14:44] but just wanted to give an update that

[14:46] um during our meeting we looked at the

[14:49] 2027 tasks assigned and um uh went

[14:54] through and really uh

[14:58] set some goals and and looked forward to

[15:00] try to getting a lot more community

[15:02] engagement from our groups and to make

[15:04] sure we're supporting the staff um out

[15:07] in the community. um

[15:10] uh at we decided that we wanted to

[15:13] operate informally without a chair and

[15:15] we would give updates to this committee

[15:17] as a specific uh agenda item and I

[15:21] volunteered to be the representative um

[15:24] at this meeting. Uh, one of the primary

[15:26] focuses that we had at our committee

[15:28] meeting was to increase MTAB involvement

[15:31] in community outreach and we discussed

[15:34] ways for us to get involved. And so many

[15:37] of you saw all of you saw the um signup

[15:40] sheet that we did and actually we had an

[15:43] event yesterday and we have an event

[15:45] tomorrow and we've got an event this

[15:47] weekend. So, a lot of a lot of great

[15:50] events and a lot of great opportunities

[15:51] for outreach for all of us. So, I think

[15:55] um it's exciting that we can go ahead

[15:56] and start getting more involved and that

[15:58] was one of the things I think all of us

[16:00] talked about at the work session. So, I

[16:02] appreciate all of you signing up and I

[16:04] think there's still a couple other spots

[16:05] left, but we'll continue to do that to

[16:08] continue to um educate the community for

[16:12] us to work together with the staff and

[16:14] to do all we can to increase transit,

[16:18] increase communication, and and really

[16:21] help people know um the resources that

[16:23] are available. Um the the events coming

[16:26] up were the Pleasant Park Access Study

[16:28] that already happened on September 3rd.

[16:31] Try Transit was yesterday. There's the

[16:33] senior health fair on um Saturday. Touch

[16:36] of Trucks coming up in October. And then

[16:39] um we want to participate in future

[16:42] North Carolina DOT projects.

[16:46] Um outreach materials. I think the staff

[16:48] has a lot of um um materials, but we

[16:51] want to make sure we develop audience

[16:53] specific materials for seniors and youth

[16:56] and highlight transit benefits such as

[16:59] free service, service every 30 minutes,

[17:02] 7 days a week, key destinations that are

[17:05] served through transit, sustainability

[17:07] and affordability, and bicycle

[17:09] skateboard accessibility. Um under

[17:12] number two, one of the priorities was

[17:14] bus driver appreciation. I really want

[17:16] to make sure we explore ways to

[17:18] recognize Go Apex bus operators and

[17:21] raise public awareness of transit and

[17:24] ideas included coordinating um with go

[17:27] carry initiatives because they have a

[17:29] lot of initiatives going on. We want to

[17:30] make sure we coordinate with them.

[17:32] featuring uh driver profiles on social

[17:35] media, encou encouraging riders to thank

[17:38] drivers on designated day, thank you

[17:40] messages, reordering go Apex thank you

[17:44] cards, and encouraging elected officials

[17:46] in our committee to to to ride and thank

[17:49] drivers personally. So, we'll have plans

[17:51] for that. Under number three, we wanted

[17:54] transit promotion campaign and we

[17:57] discussed opportunities um through the

[18:00] potential look again campaign and

[18:02] proposed activities for promote expanded

[18:05] service, provide route maps, conduct

[18:08] train the trainer, engage apartment

[18:10] communities and employers and uh

[18:13] consider public art as highly visible

[18:15] bus stops. Um

[18:18] number four, transit data and analysis.

[18:21] Uh felt like the staff um at the meeting

[18:24] discussed several transportation efforts

[18:26] that are already underway. So we agreed

[18:28] to pause that work for now and um look

[18:31] at revisit it when future gaps are

[18:34] merging and then the same for bicycle

[18:36] and pedestrian outreach. We want to make

[18:38] sure um we all talked about that there

[18:41] was a lot of discussion on transit about

[18:43] bicycle and and pedestrian

[18:45] transportation and we the discussion in

[18:48] our committee was adding bicycle and

[18:50] pedestrian outreach to future community

[18:53] outreach opportunities and maybe discuss

[18:56] uh discuss appointing a cycle advocate

[18:59] or champion for MTAB. And it was great

[19:01] to have her public comment today and

[19:04] include this topic on future MTAB

[19:05] agendas. So our action items were create

[19:09] the event signup which was done. Uh

[19:12] draft a participation invitation,

[19:14] reorder go apex thank you cards, develop

[19:17] targeted outreach materials, create a

[19:20] route map and plan a group MTAB ride. So

[19:25] we need to do that. We're all going to

[19:26] go ride the bus together. So that'll be

[19:28] fun for us to do that. And then discuss

[19:30] bicycle pedestrian outreach strategies

[19:32] at future meetings. Um our future

[19:34] meetings. And our next meeting is

[19:36] September 21st at 3:30. So off to a

[19:39] great start. So um uh I'd appreciate Do

[19:42] you have any comments? Anything I left

[19:44] out, Gay? And um

[19:47] » I don't think so.

[19:49] » Yeah.

[19:50] » Okay. Off to a great start. Um at this

[19:53] point, uh we'll ask for the

[19:56] infrastructure committee to give a

[19:58] report.

[19:59] » Sure. Uh we met on uh July 6th. Um,

[20:04] Sacket and Noah and myself and staff uh

[20:08] met uh here and uh we identified three

[20:12] kind of targeted uh tasks uh for our for

[20:15] our subcommittee. The first one was

[20:18] looking at street design and UDO

[20:19] amendments and you know we'll revi

[20:21] review and provide feedback to the peak

[20:23] plan 20 uh 55 standards when they come

[20:26] out later this month. We have a meeting

[20:28] scheduled for later this month to

[20:29] discuss that. So um and the bicycle and

[20:32] pedestrian UDO uh updates in October. So

[20:36] um

[20:37] uh we have not met since that meeting

[20:39] that first meeting but uh we do plan a

[20:41] meeting later this month. Um second task

[20:44] was for uh project prioritization for

[20:46] the CIP and we'll we'll support the CIP

[20:48] review process and advocate for

[20:50] multimodel projects uh with there's some

[20:52] key touch points in September uh with

[20:55] preliminary staff request and also in

[20:57] October which is after the where staff

[21:00] requests are submitted and before the

[21:02] fiscal year 20 uh 2028 budget hearings.

[21:07] Uh hopefully the recommendations will

[21:08] help integrate multimodal priorities

[21:10] into the town budget which is you know

[21:12] kind of the over overarching uh goal for

[21:14] that. And the third task was uh

[21:17] supporting uh grant uh submission

[21:19] letters. The committee will work with

[21:21] staff to draft letters supporting

[21:23] transportation grants. U that's

[21:25] generally in October and January. Um and

[21:29] then uh the last thing is we scheduled a

[21:31] meeting for September 24th to start

[21:32] discussing the CIP and the peak plan

[21:34] updates.

[21:37] That's where we are right now.

[21:39] » Thanks, Patrick.

[21:40] » Thank you.

[21:42] » Thank you.

[21:44] » And we'll call on the safety

[21:46] subcommittee.

[21:47] » Yep. Your safety committee's down here.

[21:50] Elizabeth and I have met three times so

[21:52] far in June, July, and August. Um we

[21:54] addressed two of the main priorities on

[21:57] the giant spreadsheet of um established

[22:00] from our working group. uh the main one

[22:02] looking at bus safety and then we

[22:04] initially started out discussing the

[22:06] slope of the bus like that boarding

[22:07] slope issue. We've since expanded that

[22:10] discussion a little bit to deal with the

[22:12] detour to deal with issues of bus safety

[22:14] at the individual bus stops, setting up

[22:17] shelter, um better lighting, um better

[22:20] marking and signage, excuse me, for the

[22:22] bus stops. Um and then just the overall

[22:25] uh factors that go into selecting a bus

[22:28] and some of that is out of our control

[22:29] as there is a third party also involved

[22:31] and with go carry um to establish the

[22:34] kinds of buses we have available for use

[22:36] but just making sure we can address

[22:38] those safety concerns. Um and in our

[22:40] most recent meeting in August, we

[22:41] discussed um like loading and unloading

[22:44] with passengers with carts and baby

[22:46] strollers and some of the um rules and

[22:49] decision-m that those have to be closed

[22:51] as you board the bus. Um being possibly

[22:54] an unreasonable request for moms with

[22:56] small children or uh people coming from

[22:58] the food pantry with a fully loaded cart

[23:00] having to unload those items and then

[23:02] board the bus. Um it's timeconuming. It

[23:04] could be potentially dangerous if they

[23:06] trip and fall unloading those packages.

[23:08] So, just things to to address and the

[23:10] town has been very helpful and

[23:12] responsive in addressing some of the

[23:13] concerns we've established or things

[23:15] we've asked for feedback on um as

[23:18] they've met with town of Kerry

[23:20] representatives and local law

[23:21] enforcement as well um for safety around

[23:23] like the Mason Street bus terminal to

[23:26] make sure that the riders as you have to

[23:27] debus when the drivers go on break that

[23:30] people are safe and that you're not

[23:32] being um approached by some of the um

[23:35] unhoused individuals that spend their

[23:36] day on the bus. and then debus and

[23:39] panhandle while they wait um just to

[23:41] make sure people are safe and able to

[23:43] ride that bus and not have to worry

[23:44] about those concerns getting from point

[23:46] A to point B. Um our next meeting I

[23:49] believe is October 1st and we will also

[23:51] try to address our second agenda item um

[23:54] dealing with safe walking to school

[23:56] which also addresses sidewalks,

[23:57] crosswalks, um signage, driver awareness

[24:00] that you're in a school zone, things

[24:02] like that.

[24:04] » Thank you. question. Um,

[24:09] is the is the subcommittee, the two of

[24:14] you, um, planning to attend the, I

[24:18] guess, awareness event on e- scooters

[24:21] and ebikes that the town has publicized

[24:23] for October.

[24:24] » I don't know that we have planned to go

[24:25] to that. We can certainly try to add it.

[24:27] I am going to the senior healthcare, see

[24:30] when the the e scooter event is

[24:32] happening.

[24:32] » Okay.

[24:33] » See what the information is about.

[24:35] » Okay. I know that has more of a youth

[24:37] focus that I'm understanding.

[24:38] » It does have more of a youth focus, but

[24:41] the

[24:43] um I'm planning to attend, but I wasn't

[24:47] sure if either one of you it's for the

[24:49] community as well to help understand

[24:52] um what the uh guidelines and laws and

[24:56] the dos and don'ts and what you can and

[24:57] can't do.

[24:58] » I'm definitely interested in the issue

[24:59] itself. I don't think I knew that when

[25:01] they had actually set up the date for

[25:02] it. But I saw they were planning

[25:03] something, but I'll definitely try to

[25:04] see if we can make that happen to get

[25:06] more input.

[25:07] » Okay. I think it's in October. I'll have

[25:09] to check.

[25:10] » Yeah, I know the mayor's at least

[25:11] listening to some of those issues and

[25:13] concerns thankfully.

[25:14] » That'd be good to share with the

[25:15] committee everybody, but I'd like to

[25:17] maybe attend that, too.

[25:20] » Whenever you find out,

[25:22] » I think that's a good example of needing

[25:24] specialized expertise. Like, I would

[25:26] have nothing to add to a discussion of

[25:28] e- scooters except, you know, a couple

[25:30] personal observations. I think we do

[25:33] certainly need a bicycle representative.

[25:35] I hope the town council will think about

[25:37] that with future nominations and someone

[25:40] with insight into all the scooter moped

[25:42] issues.

[25:49] Thank you for all the updates. Great

[25:51] committee work. Um we do have a couple

[25:54] of requested actions. Um I um uh was

[25:59] added um on to the committee outreach um

[26:05] community outreach subcommittee and I

[26:07] think that needs to be a motion. So

[26:10] would someone um be interested in um

[26:14] » I'll make a

[26:16] » To add me to the subcommittee.

[26:19] » Is there a second?

[26:20] » Second. Okay.

[26:21] » Thank you. D.

[26:23] » All those in favor please signify by

[26:24] saying I. I

[26:26] » Okay. Any oppose?

[26:29] » Thank you. We also um have asked to

[26:32] rename the safety subcommittee to the

[26:34] safety and accessibility subcommittee.

[26:38] Is there a motion um on the floor to

[26:40] rename that subcommittee?

[26:44] I move that we rename that safety

[26:47] committee to the safety and

[26:48] accessibility subcommittee. If anyone

[26:50] wants an explanation, let me know.

[26:55] This is Patrick. I second that.

[26:57] » Okay. All those in favor signify.

[26:59] » This would be a point to have

[27:00] discussion, right?

[27:01] » Yeah. I'd love to hear.

[27:02] » Yeah.

[27:04] » Well, use the steep boarding slope as an

[27:06] example. Someone was climbing up there,

[27:09] slipped and fall, elderly person breaks

[27:11] their hip on cement. It's a safety and

[27:13] an injury. But what's really happening

[27:15] with the steep boarding slope is the

[27:17] folks who are at risk, people who

[27:19] consider it dangerous to get up and

[27:21] down, they have simply stopped riding.

[27:24] based on my observations and what bus

[27:26] drivers have said. So what became a

[27:28] safety challenge for the riders they

[27:31] observed as an intolerable risk and so

[27:35] they simply stopped riding. So we've

[27:37] spent a lot of time in the subcommittee

[27:38] hoping that they'd switched over to

[27:40] paratransit. In most cases the oldest

[27:43] riders who were using walking canes who

[27:46] battled the slope had uh English as a

[27:48] second language limited English skills.

[27:51] So how do we find them to make sure they

[27:53] know that if the bus doesn't work there

[27:55] is a paratransit option that just

[27:57] there's a lot of overlap between safety

[28:00] and accessibility and for me I I think

[28:04] accessibility is the bigger barrier at

[28:06] the moment it's perceived safety risks

[28:09] mean people are not writing

[28:12] » Thanks

[28:14] so expands the scope of

[28:16] » Well I think the rest of the group sort

[28:18] of wants it to narrow the scope I want

[28:20] talk about every operational risk there

[28:22] is, but there is a sense that the two

[28:24] really overlap.

[28:27] » Yeah. I wouldn't necessarily say that

[28:28] expands the scope, but that would be a

[28:31] different conversation,

[28:32] » But it um perhaps more accurately

[28:35] describes Yes.

[28:36] » Right. what they're looking at.

[28:40] » Understood. Yeah. Any other discussion?

[28:43] » There's a m sure.

[28:47] » Okay. I just real quickly going to uh I

[28:50] looked up the escooter event location is

[28:54] to be determined, but it's on October

[28:56] 3rd at 10:00 a.m.

[28:58] » Thank you.

[29:01] » Thank you. So, there's a motion um on

[29:04] the floor and a second to rename the

[29:06] safety subcommittee to the safety and

[29:08] accessibility subcommittee. All those in

[29:11] favor, please signify by saying I.

[29:13] » I.

[29:14] » I.

[29:14] » Anyone oppose?

[29:16] Okay, thank you. Appreciate that

[29:19] recommendation.

[29:20] » Before we leave this topic, may I ask a

[29:23] question?

[29:24] » Um,

[29:26] so as part of the infrastructure kind of

[29:28] subcategory,

[29:29] um during the work session back in

[29:32] March, I believe, uh we identified kind

[29:35] of street designs as a an opportunity

[29:38] area

[29:40] uh to look at. And I kind of want to tie

[29:41] that back to the public comment that we

[29:42] just received, you know, around our

[29:44] street designs. Um, but I don't think I

[29:47] heard anything from the infrastructure

[29:49] subcommittee around uh street designs in

[29:52] general. It was the updates were a

[29:54] little bit more focused on the uh the

[29:56] investment planning and all that, which

[29:57] was another part that we had identified.

[30:00] Is that still something that that the

[30:01] subcommittee is looking at or and simply

[30:04] hasn't gotten to yet? um where you know

[30:08] where does that kind of sit or is is

[30:10] anybody covering that uh that street

[30:12] design question because again like you

[30:14] know just taking some of the public

[30:15] feedback you know there's there's some

[30:17] demand for making our streets a little

[30:19] bit more uh you know alternate transit

[30:23] uh friendly right and so I don't want to

[30:25] lose sight of that that's that topic

[30:27] that we had discussed back in March

[30:29] » Yeah we're supposed to meet in September

[30:31] 24th a couple weeks uh to discuss the

[30:34] street design and the UDO amendment for

[30:36] for

[30:36] » Wonderful. Thank you. Sure.

[30:39] » And could I interject there as well? Um,

[30:42] also as part of our peak plan, our

[30:45] comprehensive plan and transportation

[30:47] plan update, the scope includes

[30:50] examining our street sections and

[30:52] updating those based on um

[30:57] context area. Not to get into too much

[30:59] detail right now, but the street might

[31:02] look different in an area more uh

[31:05] suitable and oriented toward walking,

[31:08] biking, taking the bus compared to other

[31:10] areas. So that's part of that peak plan

[31:13] scope um and will be included in the

[31:17] public forum three as well as shared

[31:19] with the board for

[31:27] » Any other questions about subcommittee

[31:29] work.

[31:33] So, um, one of, um, the next, um, agenda

[31:37] item is bicycle outreach and engagement.

[31:41] And, um, in our community outreach

[31:43] subcommittee, we talked about, um,

[31:46] possible strategies for reaching

[31:48] bicyclists. So, we put that as an agenda

[31:50] item to open it up for discussion to see

[31:55] what

[31:57] we have any ideas about ways, additional

[31:59] ways um that we reach out and get more

[32:03] input from the bicycle community. It

[32:06] sounds like

[32:09] the October 3rd date is great for us to

[32:11] know because that that's part of that as

[32:12] well.

[32:17] So, we're looking for suggestions on how

[32:18] to reach out to the bicycling community.

[32:22] » I do have a quick question for some and

[32:26] our public comment speaker may have some

[32:28] input on this. Um, are the trail heads

[32:30] for like the tobacco trail. Is there

[32:33] bulletin boards still? I used to run out

[32:35] there and there used to be places where

[32:36] you could put information up and I

[32:38] didn't know if we could do something

[32:39] like a QR code or something to get

[32:41] people like to do an input survey or

[32:44] something kind of how we've talked about

[32:45] doing on the bus kind of in the same way

[32:47] just to reach a different group.

[32:52] » I I don't know if that's still there. I

[32:53] go there once in a while but I don't

[32:54] know if there's still a bulletin board

[32:56] there or not.

[32:56] » Yeah, I know there used to be. I just

[32:58] don't know what this the setup looks

[32:59] like out there anymore. One place I I I

[33:02] play disc golf at this nature park on

[33:04] Saturday mornings and there are bicycle

[33:07] gatherings and literally

[33:10] 100 I don't know maybe 100 bicyclists.

[33:13] » Yeah. Like one cycling clubs.

[33:14] » Yeah. Yeah. Huge packs of bicycles going

[33:16] up. And it' be a great place. You know,

[33:18] it's more of a inerson kind of thing

[33:20] than than posting or but you know I

[33:22] don't know if that's a possibility. I

[33:24] guess we have to figure out like if it's

[33:26] a scheduled meeting every Saturday or if

[33:28] it's once a month or like if it's a a

[33:31] cycling shop organizing that to be able

[33:33] to

[33:35] » Connect with them. I know like

[33:37] meetup.com has Apologize I'm yelling

[33:40] over the train. Um meetup.com has like

[33:42] cycling I'm sure and other hobby

[33:44] hobbyist kinds of things. Um that would

[33:46] maybe be good outreach to talk to

[33:48] cycling shops to see if they know um

[33:50] some of those local gatherings. I can

[33:53] try and talk to them when I'm there next

[33:54] and see where they're coming from, how

[33:56] to reach. It's a big It's a large number

[33:58] of bicyclists.

[34:00] » Yeah. Is there someone that's kind of

[34:01] clearly they're a leader or organizer?

[34:02] » There's a pace car they have, you know,

[34:04] with flashing lights and stuff. So, I

[34:05] mean, it's pretty serious, you know. So,

[34:07] yeah.

[34:09] » I've been keeping notes of Facebook

[34:11] comments from serious cyclists who have

[34:13] lots of opinions and seem to have

[34:15] expertise and connections, so I can

[34:17] share those with the subcommittee. I

[34:18] guess just a handful of folks who seem

[34:21] like they would be good resources.

[34:24] » There's there's also a um the Carolina

[34:27] Brewing Company has a cycling club. They

[34:29] meet on Sundays, I believe. Uh but a lot

[34:33] of people from Apex go um to uh you

[34:37] know, so there's there's some organized

[34:39] clubs in the area like that.

[34:43] Is the thought that we're trying to get

[34:47] input from the cyclists on what they

[34:49] would like to see or are we trying to

[34:51] address identified concerns?

[34:55] » I think I think a little bit of both

[35:00] learn more about the needs and

[35:01] » Okay

[35:03] » And uh we just haven't haven't focused

[35:06] on that as much. So, we sort of felt

[35:09] like there was opportunity for

[35:12] gathering more information and then as

[35:16] we're

[35:18] having infrastructure

[35:20] conversations and further conversations

[35:24] about meeting the needs of bicyclists,

[35:26] making sure to share that information

[35:27] back. So,

[35:28] » Okay,

[35:34] » Great. Well, thank y'all. Thank y'all.

[35:36] That gives us a start and again we've

[35:38] got a meeting coming up in a couple

[35:40] weeks and that'll that'll help us have

[35:42] further conversation about that topic.

[35:45] At this point we'll um call on Katie.

[35:47] She's going to talk to us about the 2035

[35:49] weight bus plan.

[35:55] Chair

[35:56] just a point of uh clarification. I

[35:59] think we need to follow up on the

[36:00] escooter event that's being held on the

[36:02] October 3rd date because I'm not sure

[36:04] that that's a town event. Um, and so I

[36:08] want to clarify. Um, let us let us

[36:11] research that and follow back up with

[36:12] you.

[36:13] » Okay.

[36:14] » Cuz that that may be something one of

[36:16] the elected officials is hosting. Um,

[36:18] and so I just want I don't want this

[36:19] committee to be misled or confused that

[36:22] it's a townled event or town sponsored

[36:24] event. So, let us reconnect on that and

[36:27] we'll follow out

[36:28] » Follow back up with you all.

[36:29] » Thank you.

[36:30] » Okay. Thank you.

[36:36] » All right. I'm going to use this new

[36:38] setup here. Um, do I have control of the

[36:42] PowerPoint? Yes. Okay. Hello. Um, I'm

[36:45] just here to give an overview of the

[36:48] Wake bus plan update that is um in

[36:52] progress currently.

[36:54] um give an overview of what what the

[36:57] project is, how Apex fits into it, and

[37:01] what you all can do to provide input um

[37:04] to this this plan. Um so the Wake bus

[37:08] plan is one of a few different types of

[37:11] plans that is part of the overall Wake

[37:14] Transit program. So, you're probably all

[37:17] familiar with that program, but um just

[37:19] as a refresher, it's the countywide

[37:21] investment strategy um for transit

[37:25] improvement and expansion in Wake County

[37:27] that is primarily funded through our

[37:29] halfsent sales tax that was approved in

[37:31] 2016. Um and there's a myriad of

[37:35] planning that gets done to ensure that

[37:38] um there's, you know, investment that is

[37:42] well thought out throughout the county.

[37:44] So, the Wake bus plan follows the

[37:46] overall Wake Transit Plan update and it

[37:50] focuses just on bus services um and

[37:54] associated capital projects. Um and it

[37:57] also develops short range transit plans

[37:59] for the main uh transit agencies in the

[38:02] area which are Go Raleigh, Go Triangle,

[38:04] and Go Kerry. Um, and those short-range

[38:07] transit plans are actually detailed to

[38:09] the project level of identifying which

[38:11] routes are prioritized for funding

[38:14] within the next three years. Um, so it

[38:16] gets pretty detailed.

[38:18] Um, where it sits in the overall plan

[38:21] hierarchy for Wake Transit is kind of

[38:24] what I alluded to before. It's it's more

[38:26] detailed than the overall 10-year

[38:29] strategy. Um, and it it kind of gets at

[38:34] the bus service for those main three

[38:36] agencies. Um, and it's not the only

[38:40] planning that gets done at that level.

[38:42] There's also other planning um that we

[38:44] do as part of the CFA program and that

[38:46] gets done for other types of projects.

[38:49] Um, so it does not include CFA projects.

[38:52] So Apex and all the other smaller

[38:55] municipalities are responsible for our

[38:57] own detailed transit planning. Um and we

[39:02] apply for funding through the CFA

[39:04] program. So this bus plan does not cover

[39:07] that program. Um, it also doesn't

[39:10] include rail or other types of transit

[39:12] projects that the overall strategy might

[39:15] include. And it doesn't include projects

[39:19] that those other agencies, GO Carry, Go

[39:21] Triangle, and um, Go Raleigh might um,

[39:26] uh, initiate that aren't funded through

[39:28] the Wake Transit program. So they they

[39:31] have their own funding sources that they

[39:33] might choose to fund projects through

[39:35] and those wouldn't be included in this

[39:36] because this is really feeding into what

[39:38] what is funded through that that

[39:40] program.

[39:43] So I just said the CFA program which

[39:45] we're a part of is is not part of this

[39:47] bus plan. So how is this relevant to

[39:48] Apex? Um well we do have a pretty big

[39:52] stake in this process because it leads

[39:55] to project ideas that could still serve

[39:59] Apex. So the go triangle route 305, the

[40:03] the go triangle route 311 and the go

[40:05] carry route 9 are all routes that are

[40:08] funded through the wake transit program.

[40:10] And the town of Apex doesn't put any

[40:12] budget, you know, towards those routes

[40:16] from from our town budget, but we still

[40:18] benefit from them. Um, and so with the

[40:21] bus plan, now is the town's chance to

[40:24] weigh in on new proposed improvements

[40:27] and expansions, you know, into the

[40:29] future. Um, this plan will also

[40:34] um look at ways to prioritize community

[40:39] transportation hubs, which were

[40:41] identified as a new item in the the

[40:43] latest overall transit plan update that

[40:46] was approved last year. And we think

[40:48] Apex is a great place for a community

[40:51] transportation hub and is a great um

[40:54] kind of uh match for what we're planning

[40:57] with the Apex mobility hub that we've

[40:59] talked to you all about before that um

[41:02] could be a potential future passenger

[41:04] rail station, bus transfer area, etc.

[41:07] So, so we're looking at at those through

[41:10] that lens as well um from a staff point

[41:12] of view. But these are all things that

[41:14] are up for uh review and public comment

[41:17] as it goes through this wake bus plan

[41:20] update for potential funding.

[41:23] So where we are right now in the project

[41:25] is is phase one and that is really um

[41:31] what the what the project team is

[41:33] focusing on is gathering input from the

[41:35] public and stakeholders about what are

[41:39] what we prioritize first. Um,

[41:43] there's a public survey out right now

[41:47] that I'll get to in a in a minute that's

[41:50] really just throwing a bunch of stuff

[41:51] out there and asking for reactions. Um,

[41:54] it doesn't mean that any of those things

[41:56] are set in stone yet. And um really that

[42:01] this this point of the project is

[42:02] gathering input. um into 2027 is when

[42:06] the project team is is planning to try

[42:09] to use that feedback to develop the list

[42:11] of recommendations and in which point

[42:14] there will be more for review and and

[42:18] comment on. Um, so the idea is to

[42:22] finalize this for

[42:24] summer 2027 with some projects

[42:28] potentially getting funding as as soon

[42:30] as FY28 depending on how the timing

[42:32] works.

[42:34] Um,

[42:36] as far as our marketing for phase one,

[42:39] um, uh, one a member of the the Campo

[42:43] project team, uh, did a tableabling

[42:46] event, um, totally like Spanish language

[42:49] focused at Compare Foods on August 5th.

[42:52] Um, our planning team sent out an email

[42:55] blast on August 12th. Chris put up

[42:58] flyers in our Go Apex bus shelters. And

[43:01] then tomorrow we'll be outside of the

[43:03] Mason Street Municipal Building as part

[43:05] of our triit week um booth and we'll

[43:09] have information about this project as

[43:10] well. Um we did get some preliminary um

[43:13] feedback from the project team that go a

[43:16] that apex in general is um

[43:20] proportionately over represented so far

[43:22] in the survey results which is a good

[43:24] thing for us because it means that more

[43:27] people from Apex are providing input

[43:29] than they would guess just based on our

[43:31] population proportion. So, it seems like

[43:35] the out outreach is working so far, but

[43:38] we could always use more input as the

[43:40] project goes on.

[43:42] Um, oh, and yeah, and Gay signed up for

[43:45] uh a slot tomorrow, so she'll be there,

[43:47] and Linda will also be there in the

[43:49] afternoon, so we're excited about that.

[43:52] Um, so I just wanted to give a quick

[43:53] overview of the routing concepts. Um,

[43:56] has anyone actually taken the survey yet

[43:58] by chance?

[43:58] » Yes.

[43:59] » Okay, awesome.

[44:00] » And attended one of the meetings.

[44:01] » Oh, great. Okay, awesome. Um,

[44:04] » And in person, a focus group.

[44:06] » That's great. Yeah,

[44:07] » It's transit related. We're there.

[44:11] » Um, so you're familiar with this, but

[44:13] for those who haven't taken it yet, I

[44:14] encourage you to take it. Um, there is a

[44:17] map that is currently only found within

[44:19] the survey itself that outlines some

[44:22] kind of initial proposed routing

[44:24] concepts that are in no way finalized,

[44:26] but are out there for reaction. Um, and

[44:31] the project team is seeking input. Apex

[44:34] staff did not develop these project

[44:36] concepts, so we're reacting to them as

[44:39] well as you right now. Um, but the

[44:42] there's three that

[44:45] would serve Apex essentially. Um there's

[44:47] a proposed go carry route 10 concept

[44:51] that um would travel from downtown Apex

[44:54] to the Wake carry area through 1010 road

[44:59] and Kildair Farm road um which would be

[45:03] an hourlong runtime and would

[45:06] essentially be stylized as a go carry

[45:10] route if it if it gets prioritized for

[45:12] funding.

[45:14] Um there's also a proposed new go

[45:18] triangle route called the triangle

[45:19] regional express concept which would go

[45:23] from Fuway Marina to Holly Springs to

[45:25] Apex and then get on 540 as an express

[45:30] to the regional transit center in RTP.

[45:34] Um,

[45:36] again, these are still conceptual, so

[45:38] the routing isn't finalized, but the

[45:40] idea would essentially be a connector to

[45:43] get, you know, folks from Fugua, Holly

[45:46] Springs, Apex to um regional

[45:49] connections.

[45:52] And then there's also a proposed Apex

[45:54] Raleigh Express which would replace Go

[45:57] Triangle route 305 to try to streamline

[46:01] the routing from Apex to downtown

[46:03] Raleigh.

[46:05] um hopefully save a little time, but we

[46:06] we don't have any numbers yet on the

[46:10] actual timing, but it would it's

[46:13] conceptualized to start at Vidia, go to

[46:18] downtown Apex, and then get on 64, hop

[46:21] off at Tryan Road for Wake Med, and then

[46:25] back onto the freeway to downtown

[46:28] Raleigh.

[46:31] Um, and I'm I'm not going to go over

[46:34] these in details, but there's basically

[46:36] a question asking about reactions to

[46:38] those routing concepts and then some

[46:40] kind of general kind of ranking

[46:42] questions about what types of priorities

[46:45] um, respondents have for transit

[46:48] improvements. So, you know, more

[46:50] amenities at bus stops, more crosswalks

[46:52] and sidewalks, what's the priority

[46:55] there? because there is funding for

[46:56] pedestrian improvements associated with

[46:58] transit access in the plan. Um

[47:03] what types of services are the most

[47:05] important to focus on? That's you know

[47:07] up to individual respondents to

[47:10] determine. You kind of pull and um sort

[47:14] um priorities.

[47:17] um

[47:19] kind of similar question, what what

[47:21] types of service improvements

[47:23] and then anything else you would like to

[47:25] see. So, it's open-ended. Um so, I just

[47:28] wanted to bring attention to that and

[47:30] request that you take a look and and

[47:32] fill out the survey if you have time. Um

[47:35] we're still looking through it ourselves

[47:37] at the staff level, but I I already have

[47:39] some just, you know, conceptual

[47:41] questions for the project team that

[47:43] we'll be working through. But I also

[47:45] just open the floor and if there's any

[47:47] questions that we can either relay to

[47:49] the project team or that you just might

[47:51] have about the project.

[47:52] » Katie, will you be able to get the

[47:54] filtered survey responses for just the

[47:56] apex population?

[47:58] » Um I can request them.

[48:01] » I think that would be useful for us.

[48:03] » Yeah, I think it's um through public

[48:05] input and I believe that they have the

[48:07] ability to do that. Um so I can I can

[48:10] request that. Yeah.

[48:16] May I ask a question?

[48:17] » Yeah.

[48:18] » Um

[48:20] based on the proposed routes, the three

[48:23] routes that you just referred to,

[48:26] um is there any connectivity overlap or

[48:29] conflict with our own go Apex bus routes

[48:34] that we have been planning out?

[48:38] I'd say there's probably not that much

[48:40] conflict actually with with what's

[48:42] planned so far. The the emphasis is on

[48:47] in the concepts that we've seen so far

[48:50] on making regional connections which we

[48:52] didn't really focus on with the

[48:54] prioritization study. I did have a brief

[48:57] discussion with the project team about

[48:59] the proposed change to the 305 into an

[49:03] more of an express route format because

[49:06] right now the 305 does have local stops

[49:09] in town and it serves the um or was

[49:12] planning to serve the Pine Plaza Drive

[49:15] area. Um

[49:18] it the routing on the 305 has been

[49:20] shifted a little bit for um operational

[49:23] reasons for go triangle, but it was

[49:24] their intent to serve that area. And we

[49:26] just talked through potential timing of

[49:29] Go Apex route 2 concept which would

[49:33] serve that area and and the the ARX

[49:37] conversion and not wanting to leave a

[49:40] gap where there wasn't um service in

[49:43] that area. Um, so that was like an early

[49:46] piece of feedback I had for them. So I

[49:47] think the timing of that one is probably

[49:49] the the thing we would need to pay the

[49:52] closest attention to. Um, but as far as

[49:55] the the Triangle Regional Express, um,

[49:59] there's

[50:01] um, it would only be um, an improvement

[50:04] because it would provide access down to

[50:06] Fugay, which we don't have right now. um

[50:08] and would still kind of mirror what we

[50:11] have with the 311 um which has started

[50:14] up service in August. Um it doesn't

[50:16] actually go all the way down to Holly

[50:17] Springs or Peuway. Um so I'm rambling

[50:21] now, but there aren't actually a lot of

[50:24] conflicts that I see. I think it it

[50:26] would improve overall regional

[50:28] connectivity without probably impacting

[50:32] our local connectivity too much.

[50:34] And would these routes

[50:37] congregate in the um mobility hub that

[50:40] we were planning?

[50:41] » So they would they're all proposed a

[50:44] little bit differently, but a comment

[50:46] from staff would be that we would need

[50:48] them to serve that location to provide,

[50:50] you know, transfer opportunities.

[50:53] Um so that's a big priority for us. Um

[50:57] there the the concepts the routing

[51:00] hasn't been finalized, but that would be

[51:01] an important factor for us.

[51:03] » Thank you.

[51:05] I would say for the express route

[51:08] replacing the go triangle 305 that in my

[51:10] observation there's lots of people apex

[51:12] people included who do use that to hop

[51:15] off at surprising kind of local stops.

[51:18] They're not using it just to go all the

[51:20] way to Raleigh. I think that classic

[51:23] commuter who's going from a suburb into

[51:25] Raleigh to work, that's not what in my

[51:28] experience the passengers look like in

[51:29] the 305. So, I would hate to lose too

[51:32] many of those intermediary stops. I

[51:35] mean, keeping Wake Carry is important

[51:37] and as you say, the Lake Pine Shopping

[51:39] Center, but then there's just odd

[51:41] unusual stops where I'm not quite sure

[51:43] what people are getting off to do, but

[51:45] it's always been all the way along 305.

[51:49] Lots of people hop on and off rather

[51:51] than like I often find if I ride the

[51:53] 305, I'm the only person left when we

[51:55] get to Raleigh. People are not commuting

[51:57] directly to downtown Raleigh. They're

[51:58] getting off and in between places.

[52:01] » Does the current 305 route go by Wake

[52:03] Mad Carry?

[52:04] » Yeah, it sure does.

[52:05] » So, they're keeping some of the same.

[52:07] » Yes. Although, we should make a big

[52:10] stink about getting a much much better

[52:12] bus stop there.

[52:14] » We've talked a little bit about that,

[52:15] too. Yeah, that's a it's a challenging

[52:18] area for pedestrian connectivity. Um

[52:23] Yeah. But coming out of the hospital,

[52:25] you know, I mean, for even a mammogram,

[52:27] for anything, it's like kind of a

[52:28] horrible, horrible place to wait.

[52:32] » Uh 305 goes to Holly Springs now,

[52:34] doesn't it?

[52:35] » Yeah. Now the 305 goes all the way down

[52:37] to the Walmart in Holly Springs.

[52:39] » And if they replace 305 with this

[52:42] express, are we losing that kind of

[52:43] tail, the ability to go to Holly Springs

[52:45] from AF?

[52:46] » Yeah, that's a good point. So, it would

[52:48] essentially have to be replaced by that

[52:50] other route, the

[52:53] the Triangle Regional Express that would

[52:56] go all the way down to Holly Springs and

[52:58] Fugquway. But that's a good point. Yeah.

[53:00] So, the timing of that would be

[53:02] important, too.

[53:03] » And the new 311 that goes up Highway 55,

[53:06] that does go to Holly Springs Classic

[53:08] Park and ride spot. And well, just to

[53:11] make a little comment about the 311

[53:13] during the first two weeks it was in

[53:15] operation. I rode it for a curiosity.

[53:18] Everyone else on it that Friday were

[53:20] they were curious riders. They the

[53:22] drivers said they hadn't had anyone who

[53:23] was legitimately commuting. And on

[53:25] various transit posts, transit websites,

[53:28] people make videos about transit. They

[53:30] all were commenting that at least thus

[53:32] far in the first two weeks there weren't

[53:34] any legitimate that no one saw a

[53:37] legitimate person who parked and rode to

[53:39] a highpaying technology job in the

[53:42] research triangle park that it was so

[53:45] that's like really interesting whether

[53:46] the park and ride model I think we

[53:49] should watch 311. It'd be thrilling, you

[53:51] know, if they had 20 commuters riding

[53:54] that repeatedly, you know, at least

[53:56] during the morning and the afternoons.

[53:57] But thus far on the days that I rode,

[54:00] everyone was uh retired or disabled. And

[54:03] they were just curious like not a single

[54:05] one of us were going to use it for any

[54:07] kind of employment purpose. And the

[54:09] drivers kept asking, "Oh, are you going

[54:11] are you would you use this for a

[54:12] commute?" No. No. No one ever was. So I

[54:16] think we just need to watch it and think

[54:17] about what are realistic expectations

[54:21] for a more affluent employed population

[54:23] to use the bus.

[54:25] » I wonder what their outreach efforts

[54:26] look like if the if the route's fairly

[54:28] new with that parking ride. Like did you

[54:31] tell anybody that this was available

[54:33] that you could park and then get into

[54:34] your job at RTP?

[54:36] » Right. Outside of bus world. I think

[54:37] that's the problem. If you're a bus

[54:38] person and you follow the bus news then

[54:40] you saw it everywhere. Have we told the

[54:42] RTP companies, hey, if you've got staff

[54:44] over here that live this far out, we've

[54:47] got a route for them.

[54:49] » I will say one other little thing about

[54:50] the 311 is Go Triangle is great about

[54:53] having a public comment period, and it's

[54:55] well promoted again to bus world. I

[54:58] don't know about promotion to the

[54:59] general public, but they post service

[55:01] change comment periods on the bus stops

[55:03] and in the bus. And so I and I know

[55:06] there were other people the same way

[55:08] with the 311 service change. There were

[55:10] three of my requested route changes for

[55:14] Apex residents on the 311. For example,

[55:17] now it stops at High House and 55 where

[55:21] you can catch the Go Carry 4 and there's

[55:23] a Walmart neighborhood mart on one side

[55:26] of the intersection, a Dollar Tree on

[55:28] the other. And it was going to bypass

[55:29] that. And now it's stopping at the

[55:32] Aldi's on uh Highway 55 in Apex where I

[55:36] knew from a social media comments that

[55:38] there are people who live near there who

[55:40] really wanted access to the bus. So for

[55:42] them the 311 rather than being regional,

[55:45] it can be a short hop towards downtown

[55:47] Apex where they can catch the one. I

[55:49] mean that's in some ways the most

[55:51] valuable thing it does. And by that I

[55:53] mean maybe four or five people but you

[55:55] know ridership is low. So getting a few

[55:57] more people to be able to catch into the

[55:59] one which means they can catch into the

[56:01] nine or they could go to the four and go

[56:03] to the depot. Just the universe kind of

[56:06] opens up but on its own go triangle they

[56:10] were not going to do those stops. So it

[56:11] was a really good reminder to me that

[56:13] being loud and vocal and getting other

[56:15] people to say the same thing that you

[56:17] can change your route to serve our local

[56:19] population.

[56:23] Any

[56:31] other comments or questions?

[56:37] » Any other comments or questions?

[56:43] » Thank you, K.

[56:44] » Okay. Yeah, that was an action. Yeah.

[56:46] » Thank you so much.

[56:48] » Okay. This time we're gonna call on

[56:51] Jenna to talk about letters of support

[56:54] for the infrastructure grants.

[57:04] Hi, good evening. So this requested

[57:07] action is based on the task identified

[57:10] in the group's annual task work plan.

[57:14] So, at our last, excuse me, at our last

[57:15] subcommittee meeting, we discussed

[57:18] potentially giving the authority to the

[57:20] sub the infrastructure subcommittee

[57:23] to be able to sign infrastructure grant

[57:25] applications. And this is really in the

[57:28] event that there's not a regularly

[57:29] scheduled MTAB meeting. And they would

[57:32] be signed on behalf of the subcommittee.

[57:35] And yeah, just wanted to get this

[57:36] group's thoughts and see if this is

[57:38] something you'd be interested in.

[57:43] I think it makes sense to be able to

[57:45] look at grant applications and when they

[57:48] talk about signing the letters of

[57:49] support to be able to encourage the town

[57:51] to then apply for infrastructure grants

[57:54] » For the town to Yeah. All right. With a

[57:56] letter on behalf of the subcommittee to

[57:58] support the town's grant application.

[58:02] Yeah,

[58:02] » I think that makes total sense. I mean,

[58:03] if we're trying to get things done,

[58:07] » I agree cuz I think as a subcommittee,

[58:10] we would have more insight into the

[58:13] short-term and long-term plans of the

[58:15] town and how the application would fit

[58:18] into that plan

[58:20] » And we would work with the staff to

[58:22] develop the letters. Correct.

[58:23] » Yeah. We dropped it up and then asked

[58:25] for review if that sounds good.

[58:27] » Yeah. And and my question was that is um

[58:31] this would be the town wants to apply

[58:33] for a grant. It may be helpful to have a

[58:35] subcommittee submit a letter of support.

[58:39] » So it's essentially just supporting what

[58:41] the town is already planning to do.

[58:43] » And if it fits into the larger MTABS

[58:46] schedule, we may just bring it to the to

[58:48] we would bring it to this group. But if

[58:49] the timing doesn't work out Yeah.

[58:52] » But we do only meet every other month.

[58:54] So you don't want to slow things down.

[58:58] Jenna.

[58:58] » Yeah.

[58:59] » Just a point of clarification again. The

[59:01] the letter would be on behalf of the

[59:03] subcommittee or the full board,

[59:06] » Whoever signs it. Correct.

[59:09] » If if it was signed by the subcommittee,

[59:11] it would be on behalf of the

[59:12] subcommittee.

[59:13] » Okay.

[59:13] » Is what we're proposing.

[59:14] » Okay.

[59:16] » So, the subcommittee would not

[59:17] necessarily sign on behalf of the board.

[59:20] » Correct.

[59:20] » They would sign on behalf of the

[59:21] subcommittee

[59:22] » If it goes to them. That's correct.

[59:24] » That's what we're proposing. cuz I think

[59:25] the idea is because we meet every other

[59:28] month if there's an application in the

[59:31] interim, not having to wait an entire

[59:33] two month period to sign that letter of

[59:35] support. Is that the thought?

[59:36] » That's correct.

[59:37] » Yes. Okay.

[59:40] And that makes

[59:42] sense to me, too. What What discussion?

[59:45] Any other discussion?

[59:48] If no discussion, um would someone like

[59:51] to entertain a motion?

[59:55] » I move to grant authority to the

[59:57] infrastructure subcommittee to sign

[59:59] letters of support for infrastructure

[1:00:00] grant applications.

[1:00:02] » I'll second that. This is K.

[1:00:07] » Thank you.

[1:00:08] » Any discussion on that? Any more

[1:00:10] discussion? Any questions?

[1:00:13] If not,

[1:00:15] okay. All those in favor, please signify

[1:00:18] by saying I.

[1:00:19] » I.

[1:00:20] » Anyone oppose?

[1:00:22] Okay, that's great. I think that's a

[1:00:24] great efficiency. That'll be great for

[1:00:26] y'all to review those. Okay, at this

[1:00:29] point, we'll call on Chris uh Watson to

[1:00:32] just give us someformational updates.

[1:00:34] Thanks, Chris.

[1:00:38] » Um, thank you. I do not have any

[1:00:40] specific highlights. I did just want to

[1:00:42] remind everyone um that some of the

[1:00:45] information that Katie presented on the

[1:00:48] weight bus plan materials and links are

[1:00:50] included in theformational items as well

[1:00:52] as some of the peak plan 2055 um

[1:00:56] additional information and links as

[1:00:58] well. So, if you haven't already, um,

[1:01:00] please review those to learn more about

[1:01:02] both the W bus plan and upcoming PE plan

[1:01:05] items. And then the subcommittee meeting

[1:01:06] dates should also accurately be

[1:01:08] reflected in theformational packet. But

[1:01:10] other than that, do not have any other

[1:01:11] highlights.

[1:01:18] A question on the

[1:01:20] ontime performance for bus route one. I

[1:01:24] don't know if it's because it's the

[1:01:26] summer seasonality, but there seems to

[1:01:28] be a continuing negative trend of

[1:01:30] on-time performance

[1:01:33] from April to through July from 85% to

[1:01:36] 75.6%.

[1:01:38] Do we know why?

[1:01:40] » Yeah, I know we've had some incidents um

[1:01:42] during that time period, but I'll first

[1:01:43] hand it over to Katie in case you want

[1:01:45] to provide any specific context with

[1:01:46] some of those specific percentages.

[1:01:50] Um, so we're up I'm looking at the graph

[1:01:53] right now. Can you hear me? Sorry.

[1:01:56] » Yes.

[1:01:56] » Um, and we're it looks like for FY26

[1:02:01] we're in the 80s. So I'm I'm I'm

[1:02:05] wondering if you're looking at the the

[1:02:07] wrong fiscal year on the graph because I

[1:02:09] know last year we did have some ontime

[1:02:12] issues primarily.

[1:02:13] » No. So, right. So, FY26, but then the

[1:02:16] first month being July continuing to dip

[1:02:20] and wanting to know outside of the two

[1:02:22] incidents mentioned on July 7th and July

[1:02:25] 20th, is there any other known

[1:02:27] explanation?

[1:02:29] » Um, I don't have those details.

[1:02:31] » Okay.

[1:02:32] Well, I have theories about this. As a

[1:02:34] bus rider, it's very concerning to me

[1:02:36] that the bus is being detourred through

[1:02:38] the Salem Streetscape construction zone

[1:02:41] and that forces it over both sets of

[1:02:44] railroad tracks at Hunter across from

[1:02:47] Town Hall. So, it's not just, you know,

[1:02:49] we saw in the incidents that a bus

[1:02:51] missed a loop entirely because of the

[1:02:53] railroad tracks. It's routine. I took

[1:02:56] the bus yesterday on the first stop

[1:02:59] coming out of the construction zone at

[1:03:01] Suvita grocery store and it was already

[1:03:04] 10 minutes late which is you know pretty

[1:03:06] unacceptable that early in the route.

[1:03:10] The other issue that's happening is

[1:03:12] there's a forced disembarkment at the

[1:03:15] municipal building and this partially

[1:03:17] explains boarding counts as well. So try

[1:03:21] to put this in context. Normally if I

[1:03:23] ride go Apex to a destination I board

[1:03:26] once, ride it to Walmart, reboard and

[1:03:29] take the bus close to home. Now what

[1:03:31] happens and this happens almost in every

[1:03:33] round trip. You go through the municipal

[1:03:36] building layover point. You used to be

[1:03:38] able to stay on that bus. You know it's

[1:03:41] only there for 3 to 10 minutes. So you

[1:03:43] stay in the air conditioning etc. But

[1:03:46] now it's a forced disembarkment since

[1:03:48] midappril. And that explains some of

[1:03:50] these numbers. So everyone has to get

[1:03:53] off. Not great for weather exposure, for

[1:03:56] safety, all kinds of problems. And then

[1:03:58] you reboard. So my trip that's two

[1:04:01] segments now is always counting as three

[1:04:04] segments. So that inflates numbers, but

[1:04:06] it's well known that the process of

[1:04:08] boarding and disembarking slows down bus

[1:04:12] service. So that's just another thing at

[1:04:15] the missile building. Every single time

[1:04:17] they have to wait for everyone to get

[1:04:18] off. in some cases, but someone who

[1:04:21] requires the ramp to walk off on because

[1:04:23] of the steep boarding slope and then

[1:04:26] because of now staff disagree with me. I

[1:04:28] believe that it's the detour and the

[1:04:30] railroad tracks are a big reason the bus

[1:04:33] is in my mind almost always behind

[1:04:36] schedule. Staff think it's traffic on

[1:04:38] Highway 55, which would certainly be a

[1:04:40] factor, but the the bus is behind

[1:04:43] schedule. So, the drivers are losing

[1:04:46] their break. They don't get a lunch

[1:04:47] break. only break they get is at the

[1:04:50] municipal building transfer point. So if

[1:04:52] they're behind schedule and they only

[1:04:54] get two minutes, they don't even have

[1:04:55] time to go to the restroom, eat a

[1:04:56] banana, smoke a cigarette. The drivers

[1:04:58] are speeding up once they're on the

[1:05:01] route, once they get out of the

[1:05:02] construction zone. It used to be that Go

[1:05:05] Apex would travel 15 to 20 m an hour.

[1:05:07] It's really slow because it's usually

[1:05:09] empty. It's usually doing the route and

[1:05:11] not stopping to pick people up. So the

[1:05:13] risk is normally ahead of schedule. Now

[1:05:16] the bus is coming out of downtown behind

[1:05:18] schedule and loop after loop after loop

[1:05:21] and the drivers are picking up speed.

[1:05:23] They're going like 45 to 50 m an hour on

[1:05:26] these rinky dink little buses, an Arbach

[1:05:29] and a Champion. And this is documented

[1:05:32] in videos. We're bumping and we're

[1:05:34] rattling and people are going airborne.

[1:05:36] People are being tossed out of their

[1:05:37] seats by a speeded up bus. So very

[1:05:40] strange things are happening with the

[1:05:43] drivers compensating for the detour,

[1:05:46] pulling into the municipal building a

[1:05:48] little bit late, dumping passengers off,

[1:05:50] racing to the restroom, making cell

[1:05:52] phone calls, picking up passengers. You

[1:05:54] can see how quickly we're late again,

[1:05:57] loop after loop, and then you get a

[1:05:58] train there, and you kind of see why,

[1:05:59] well, they just give up on finishing a

[1:06:02] 1-hour route.

[1:06:05] » No, thank you. That actually answers my

[1:06:08] next question which would be what to

[1:06:09] explain or how to explain the increase

[1:06:11] starting in May but your forced

[1:06:13] disembarkment just explain that. So are

[1:06:17] we. So what what changed in in April May

[1:06:19] to that people cannot stay on the bus?

[1:06:22] Do we know?

[1:06:23] » I'm sorry. Say that louder.

[1:06:24] » So what what changed in April or May

[1:06:26] with the disembarkment? is go carry the

[1:06:31] Cary decision is that they were g what

[1:06:33] go carries transit director said to me

[1:06:36] and I'll let staff correct with their

[1:06:38] own interpretation but what I was told

[1:06:40] is that it's always been the policy is

[1:06:43] that just drivers have always been

[1:06:45] ignoring it and now that the municipal

[1:06:47] building has a little tiny shelter it's

[1:06:50] two seats and a wheelchair space a

[1:06:52] little shelter that go triangle paid for

[1:06:55] for the 305 that sort of let them say,

[1:06:58] "Well, we're going to force people off

[1:06:59] the bus, but they have somewhere to

[1:07:01] stand or sit as protection from the

[1:07:03] rain." And that led them to enforce this

[1:07:05] policy.

[1:07:06] » But then when people get back on the

[1:07:07] bus, we count them again. Like, so

[1:07:09] somebody sitting there with a clicker

[1:07:11] going like, "Oh, yep. We got another

[1:07:13] rider."

[1:07:13] » And so now that it took a little

[1:07:15] conversation, right, to get Terry

[1:07:17] decision makers to admit that in fact it

[1:07:19] did help a lot with boarding statistics

[1:07:21] for the Go Carry 9, which is low

[1:07:23] ridership, and for Go apex number one.

[1:07:26] forces an extra up and down. But there's

[1:07:29] also the whole security issue that the

[1:07:31] percentage of homeless riders is

[1:07:33] increasing fast and furious. When we

[1:07:36] went to a vision zero safety conference

[1:07:39] as part of the go apex delegation, a

[1:07:43] police sergeant from Apex police was

[1:07:45] there and he was the first person to me

[1:07:47] who confirmed that ridership

[1:07:49] demographics have 100% changed. We are

[1:07:52] so likely in the winter most passengers

[1:07:55] were homeless. They were coming from

[1:07:56] Raleigh or Kerry, sleeping on the go

[1:07:58] apex bus. And so part of the force

[1:08:01] disembarkment is about homeless

[1:08:03] passengers. It makes it a less desirable

[1:08:06] route. It used to be if you never had to

[1:08:08] disembark, you could go back and sleep

[1:08:10] and just circle hour after hour after

[1:08:12] hour. Go Apex One was the best place to

[1:08:15] sleep if you were homeless and it was

[1:08:17] usually an empty bus. No one was going

[1:08:18] to bother you. you go to the back and

[1:08:20] you never have to get out. So that's

[1:08:22] part of it. But if you're going to force

[1:08:23] the homeless to get off the bus every

[1:08:26] hour, so it's a less desirable place to

[1:08:28] sleep. What happens is if you have

[1:08:30] someone like me, an older woman who's

[1:08:32] housed, it's now me plus the homeless

[1:08:35] passenger who's sitting at the municipal

[1:08:37] building. The drivers with their radio

[1:08:39] connection dispatched, they go to the

[1:08:41] back. So they're a little more safe from

[1:08:43] the homeless. I had my first experience

[1:08:45] of being panhandled at the municipal

[1:08:47] building. And this was in the morning.

[1:08:49] It was like 10:30 in the morning. But

[1:08:51] the homeless fellow waited until there

[1:08:54] was no one. There weren't dog walkers.

[1:08:56] There weren't employees. There wasn't

[1:08:57] cars. And came over and asked for money.

[1:08:59] And I was okay saying no. But a few

[1:09:02] moments later, his buddy, a second

[1:09:04] homeless person, got off the 305. And

[1:09:07] now it was me plus two homeless men. And

[1:09:09] you just think about that, right? If

[1:09:11] this had been a late route, if it had

[1:09:13] been after dark, the municipal building

[1:09:15] is closed, there's inadequate lighting,

[1:09:17] there's no security, unlike the other

[1:09:19] transfer points where the homeless

[1:09:20] congregate, we don't have a security

[1:09:22] guard there. That for me it meant do not

[1:09:25] ride at night, right? That there's just

[1:09:28] enough of a risk of some pressure of it

[1:09:30] feeling less safe. So there's all those

[1:09:33] complicated factors of why go carry is

[1:09:37] doing forced disembarkment. The final

[1:09:39] thing and you're being nice to let me

[1:09:41] talk about this. It's a burning issue in

[1:09:42] my head is if you are someone like me,

[1:09:45] someone or someone older or someone with

[1:09:46] walking cane and you have trouble with

[1:09:48] the boarding slope and now we're forcing

[1:09:50] us to do an extra up and down. For me

[1:09:53] personally, the down hurts more than

[1:09:56] going up for my injured hand. Then for

[1:09:59] me it was the final straw. I try not to

[1:10:01] ride go apex anymore. I mean that was

[1:10:03] just it. We have a detour. We have a

[1:10:05] sleep soap. We don't have enough weather

[1:10:07] protection. we have less security

[1:10:08] concerns. And then finally, the up and

[1:10:11] down. It's more serious than you might

[1:10:13] think for the vulnerable passengers. If

[1:10:15] you're young, able-bodied, really

[1:10:16] athletic, then it's not that much of a

[1:10:19] big deal unless it's extreme heat and

[1:10:21] rain. But for others of us, it was sort

[1:10:24] of a final straw there.

[1:10:28] » Thank you.

[1:10:29] » Thank you.

[1:10:30] » I'm also

[1:10:30] » I did want to point out a few things.

[1:10:32] So, we did increase the level of service

[1:10:35] provided in April. um and it continues

[1:10:38] to increase since then. So I don't think

[1:10:41] the wrership increases, you know, 100%

[1:10:46] due to the the Mason Street Municipal

[1:10:49] Building um policy enactment um by

[1:10:52] Goary. Um

[1:10:55] additionally, I just wanted to point out

[1:10:56] that some of Elizabeth's comments are

[1:10:58] speculative. we don't have confirmation

[1:11:01] of all of these items and we have other

[1:11:04] anecdotal evidence that that you know is

[1:11:07] not necessarily corroborating all that

[1:11:09] information. So I do want to point that

[1:11:10] out that this is one person's

[1:11:12] observation

[1:11:14] and you know we do continue to work with

[1:11:16] goary to make sure we're providing a

[1:11:18] good service. So I I do really want to

[1:11:20] point that out.

[1:11:23] » Thank you. I also wonder if some of this

[1:11:25] discussion can also be appropriate for

[1:11:27] the safety subcommittee to continue to

[1:11:28] kind of brainstorm some of these

[1:11:30] concerns and mitigation strategies um

[1:11:32] just because there's a lot that you

[1:11:34] brought up.

[1:11:36] » I think also to know your question about

[1:11:39] um delays um for example last couple

[1:11:42] weeks there was a small delay when the

[1:11:45] senior center was closed. Uh some of the

[1:11:47] construction workers were parking their

[1:11:48] vehicles in that circle lot. So, I mean,

[1:11:50] that was a simple, quick fix, but those

[1:11:53] um routes, those trips were probably

[1:11:56] going to be delayed, too. So, it's

[1:11:57] probably a combination of some of the

[1:11:59] concerns that Elizabeth brought up and

[1:12:00] also just some, you know, day-to-day

[1:12:03] impacts.

[1:12:04] » Sure.

[1:12:13] So, so the April, May, June 2026 numbers

[1:12:16] reflect the

[1:12:18] change in service frequency. So, the

[1:12:21] numbers went up, the the ridership

[1:12:22] numbers went up, but the the boarding

[1:12:24] per trip and the cost went down and the

[1:12:26] cost went up a little bit. Is that fair

[1:12:28] to say? Okay.

[1:12:31] » And that is average boardings per trip

[1:12:33] rather than per hour.

[1:12:34] » Mhm. So, it's not like you're dividing

[1:12:36] that by two buses.

[1:12:39] » I don't believe that's how that's split

[1:12:41] up.

[1:12:41] » Yeah. Revenue hour basically means for

[1:12:44] one vehicle. So, if we have two vehicles

[1:12:47] in service, um that's per vehicle.

[1:12:52] » So, like in J July, we think during an

[1:12:55] hour with two different buses, there

[1:12:57] were over five people

[1:12:59] riding during that hour. Is that what

[1:13:01] the statistic means?

[1:13:02] » Correct. Yep.

[1:13:11] Except of course you didn't have to

[1:13:12] recalculate based on the forced boarding

[1:13:14] at the municipal building. See it gets

[1:13:16] really tricky to convert this into human

[1:13:18] beings.

[1:13:28] Could I just ask one question? label of

[1:13:30] average boarding per trip and maybe it

[1:13:32] was discussed how do we define trip?

[1:13:35] » What is a trip?

[1:13:37] » What is a trip?

[1:13:39] » Um so the official measurement for

[1:13:42] transit ridership is called an unlin

[1:13:45] passenger trip which is one person

[1:13:47] boarding and one person al lighting the

[1:13:50] bus. Um so it's it's um not a round

[1:13:56] trip. It's not somebody transferring to

[1:13:58] two different buses. It's one one body

[1:14:02] on one boarding.

[1:14:06] » So So one body. So if me and Sam are

[1:14:10] there, if I board, is it a trip?

[1:14:13] » Yep.

[1:14:15] » And just because she's waiting, that's a

[1:14:17] trip or she doesn't even need to be

[1:14:19] involved.

[1:14:21] » I'm not sure.

[1:14:22] » Get on the bus, then it doesn't count.

[1:14:23] » It doesn't count, right? Yeah. So

[1:14:25] waiting passenger doesn't count just

[1:14:26] once you get on. But even if you go just

[1:14:28] to one next step it's still a complete

[1:14:30] trip.

[1:14:31] » Correct. Yeah.

[1:14:32] » Versus somebody who went to the from the

[1:14:34] start to the end that's also a trip.

[1:14:37] Correct.

[1:14:37] » Correct. Yeah. And larger agencies are

[1:14:40] required to measure something called

[1:14:41] passenger miles traveled which kind of

[1:14:44] gets that that that statistic that

[1:14:45] you're getting at. Um, but we don't we

[1:14:49] don't get that to that level of detail

[1:14:52] of like how many miles people are

[1:14:54] traveling.

[1:14:55] » Got it.

[1:14:56] » Could we do we have the technology to

[1:14:58] look at that?

[1:15:00] » Um, go Carrie probably has the

[1:15:02] technology to do that through their

[1:15:04] APCs, but we it's not part of our

[1:15:07] contract to necessarily get it. We could

[1:15:09] request information on that.

[1:15:18] Thank you.

[1:15:24] » Sorry, one more question,

[1:15:25] » Please.

[1:15:26] » The ontime percentage on page 72

[1:15:30] versus the ontime

[1:15:33] percentage on page

[1:15:36] 76.

[1:15:38] What's the difference

[1:15:43] » For a specific month or

[1:15:44] » Let's just say June it says 94.4%

[1:15:49] on page 70.

[1:15:50] » Uh it's paratransit the doortodoor

[1:15:53] service for disabled people is on the

[1:15:56] low second set. Yes. Versus a fixed bus

[1:15:59] route. Got it.

[1:16:04] » And why is one higher than the other on

[1:16:06] time?

[1:16:08] So the door-todoor service is a

[1:16:11] reservationbased trip service. Um so

[1:16:14] those are a separate set of ridership um

[1:16:18] that are it's calculated differently. So

[1:16:20] those are the the vans that will pick

[1:16:22] folks up and drop them off at a specific

[1:16:24] address. Um and so they're they're

[1:16:28] they're a different form of travel and

[1:16:30] so we have to report those numbers

[1:16:32] differently to FTA and to um our funding

[1:16:36] partners. Um so it's just they're

[1:16:38] considered different data sets.

[1:16:40] » Thank you.

[1:16:54] Any other questions on the info items?

[1:17:04] Okay, next up is other business.

[1:17:06] » Thank you.

[1:17:12] » Thank you. Okay, this is the um other

[1:17:16] business section where any board member

[1:17:19] can bring up anything um to introduce a

[1:17:22] topic that's not included on the regular

[1:17:24] agenda. Does anybody have um one of

[1:17:27] those items they'd like to discuss or

[1:17:29] bring to the bring to the advisory

[1:17:32] board?

[1:17:43] Okay,

[1:17:45] seeing none, if we don't have any other

[1:17:48] business,

[1:17:50] » Just one comment about you'll see

[1:17:51] November 4th is our next meeting. Just a

[1:17:53] reminder with the um proposal. Yeah.

[1:17:57] » And we'll send out reminders before

[1:17:59] » Next regular meetings, Wednesday,

[1:18:00] November 4th. Um it'll be here before we

[1:18:04] know it. So again, um, to everybody,

[1:18:07] happy transit week and I appreciate all

[1:18:10] the works everybody done and I believe

[1:18:12] this is a first.

[1:18:14] » Get out a little early.

[1:18:16] » We need to move to ajourn.

[1:18:18] » Yes, it will. Um,

[1:18:19] » So moved.

[1:18:20] » Yeah. Do we have a second?

[1:18:22] » I second it. Second.

[1:18:24] » Okay, we have a motion, a second. All in

[1:18:26] favor of adjourning?

[1:18:27] » I Anyone oppose and stay long.

[1:18:32] » Thank you guys so much. Great work

[1:18:33] everybody. Thank you.

[1:18:38] » Wow,

[1:18:39] » That's official.

2026.09.09 Multimodal Transportation Advisory Board

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