[0:10] Okay.

[0:12] Going to call this meeting in order.

[0:14] Town council hearing and meeting. It's

[0:16] Wednesday, June 17th, 2026 at 6 p.m.

[0:19] Let's start with the pledge.

[0:24] To the flag of the United States of

[0:26] America and to the republic for which it

[0:29] stands. One nation under God,

[0:32] indivisible, with liberty and justice

[0:35] for all.

[0:38] » You want to lead us in prayer?

[0:42] » He father, we're grateful to be gathered

[0:44] here. We're grateful for the opportunity

[0:46] that we can serve in our in our

[0:48] community and

[0:51] solve all the problems and move forward

[0:52] in a positive manner. Not that there's a

[0:54] lot of problems, but if we have some,

[0:56] we'd appreciate a little guidance. We

[0:59] ask thee, Father, at this time to

[1:00] certainly bring some rain to our

[1:02] community and keep our aquapers

[1:06] full. and we ask you to look after and

[1:10] bless our military during all these

[1:11] conflicts around the world that you

[1:14] would keep them safe and strengthen

[1:15] them. We also ask you, Father, to help

[1:19] sustain and keep uh Trump, our

[1:22] president, United States, moving forward

[1:24] in a positive direction that he may

[1:26] receive your guidance and all decisions

[1:28] that he makes from the past and moving

[1:31] forward. Father, we especially ask for

[1:34] in our 2026 election

[1:37] that we have

[1:39] um transparency and honesty and truth in

[1:42] the elections that the right people get

[1:43] in that will help further along lead our

[1:46] country. Uh we're grateful for all that

[1:48] hell does for us. We ask thee if there

[1:50] is anything that we can do to help thee

[1:53] with thy work down here on the earth

[1:54] that we are capable and available and

[1:57] hear thy words that we may move forward

[1:59] on that in the future. These things we

[2:01] humbly pray for and grateful for in the

[2:03] name of our Lord and Savior Jesus

[2:05] Christ. Amen.

[2:09] » Alrighty. Roll call.

[2:12] >> Mike here.

[2:14] >> Up here.

[2:15] >> Richard Palmer here.

[2:16] >> Any conflicts of interest tonight for

[2:18] anyone?

[2:19] >> No.

[2:19] need.

[2:21] >> Okay. Let's go into Mayor's Town

[2:24] updates, reports, recommendations,

[2:26] announcement. Uh we'll start with some

[2:28] of the easy stuff. If you guys didn't on

[2:30] social media or on the text, the

[2:32] cemetery is ready. Um, it's not much to

[2:35] look at. But if you buy a plot and you

[2:37] were to pass away tomorrow, we could

[2:38] bury you. So, it's in the field. It'll

[2:41] just as we sell plots, it'll continue to

[2:43] improve, get nicer, get better. Um,

[2:45] we're just going to anything we sell,

[2:46] we're just going right back into the

[2:48] cemetery. So, it's fenced. Um, we've got

[2:50] it surveyed. We're ready to sell plots.

[2:53] The map's up here. If you want to buy

[2:54] one, it's $600 for a plot for a

[2:57] resident. It's 1,500 for a non-resident

[3:00] and then there's a onetime uh

[3:02] maintenance fee of $300. So you come in $900, you walk away with a with a

[3:06] plot.

[3:07] >> And if if any of you know you're going

[3:09] to die, we've got some scratch shovels

[3:12] you can come out and save a few

[3:14] >> save a few bucks. We're willing to

[3:19] » So it's real You're good. No, no, you're

[3:21] good.

[3:22] >> It's real simple. Um it's we're going to

[3:25] see some ordinances tonight. We we've

[3:27] started over. It's real simple. I know

[3:29] people are, "Do you have a veteran

[3:30] thing? Do you have Not yet. It's in it's

[3:32] in the master plan. We have a veterans

[3:34] area. We have a memorial wall. We have,

[3:37] and I'm going to not know what it's

[3:38] called, but the little building you

[3:39] build for the ashes. Um, we'll get into

[3:43] lots on top of each other. All that

[3:44] stuff in the future, but right now, we

[3:46] just we're tired of talking about it,

[3:47] but let's just get simple and make

[3:49] something happen." that about five or

[3:51] six people have been literally been

[3:52] telling me they don't have much longer

[3:54] and I got they want to be married now

[3:56] alley. So I'm like I get it. So there's

[3:59] one lady said she's ready. As soon as I

[4:00] get her applause, she's going. She said

[4:02] she ain't holding on much longer. So

[4:04] Rabby Rabby helped me with that. We got

[4:06] it done. So

[4:08] um let's see.

[4:11] >> New million gallon tank. I get asked

[4:13] about that sometimes. The construction

[4:14] date now is set for August to break

[4:17] ground. Uh we should they should have

[4:19] another hiccup with PID funding, but we

[4:21] got it straightened out. We helped them

[4:23] get it straightened out. So they're

[4:24] supposed to get that funding in July and

[4:26] break around in August. See how that

[4:29] goes. Um Gooseberry Roads, I don't know

[4:33] if you're only for the Gooseberry

[4:34] residents. I think I got about 20 25 of

[4:37] the surveys back. It's pretty

[4:39] straightforward. Most people want it

[4:41] graded just after the rain and No. Yes,

[4:46] just after the rain. And nobody wants to

[4:48] pay to get the paid roads paid, which I

[4:50] knew that. I knew that's how it go. So,

[4:52] I I'll don't worry. I'll figure it out.

[4:54] We'll get those roads paid. It might

[4:55] take me a little longer than I

[4:57] originally planned, but I will get the

[4:59] funding hopefully. My goal is to still

[5:02] get something started by the end of the

[5:03] year.

[5:05] Uh right now, me, Chief Michelle, and

[5:07] the engineers are working on all new

[5:09] impact fees. part of the new impact

[5:11] visas. We're working on a new uh master

[5:16] transportation plan. Uh we're getting

[5:19] pretty close to being done with that.

[5:21] Once it's done, we'll make it available

[5:23] on the website where you guys can go and

[5:26] see potential roads and where stuff's

[5:29] going to go and um stuff like that. So,

[5:31] it's a 10-year plan. We have It's kind

[5:33] of hard to plan for 10 years. I mean,

[5:36] it's how do I know what's going to

[5:37] happen? But, we're doing our best. We

[5:38] got the crystal ball out. We're trying

[5:40] to figure that out. So,

[5:42] um I think that's it. Spirit rules.

[5:46] I think that's all I have. You guys got

[5:48] anything?

[5:50] >> Nope.

[5:51] >> Oh, I know. I One more thing. The Well,

[5:53] um I know I said it' be done today, but

[5:56] we random more hiccups. So, it's not

[5:58] quite done. Um I'll be out there all day

[6:00] tomorrow ensuring that it get we're

[6:02] missing a piece of equipment. we need to

[6:04] test to get the water depth to get a

[6:06] better reading because they're saying my

[6:08] computer's wrong and I'm saying there's

[6:10] no way our computer's wrong. So, we're

[6:13] disagreeing. So, we have to get a manual

[6:14] sounder. Uh, and we don't have one. We

[6:17] have a so sonar one. There's a better

[6:20] one. Usually, we have the cheaper thing.

[6:21] Now, we have the better thing and we

[6:23] need one of the old school ones. So, the

[6:24] conservancy is loaning us one and

[6:26] they're going to bring it up here

[6:27] tomorrow morning. So, I'll be working on

[6:29] that tomorrow. Hopefully, we have news

[6:31] or water flowing again tomorrow.

[6:33] Uh, you guys shouldn't be seeing maybe a

[6:36] little air in your lines. Other than

[6:37] that, you shouldn't notice anything.

[6:39] Okay, that was it. You guys didn't have

[6:41] anything.

[6:42] All right, at this time I'm going to

[6:44] open up to public comments. Three

[6:46] minutes each unless you're Rich Saski.

[6:49] He's not here. I won't time yet. Um, so

[6:52] we'll go into the parks and recreation

[6:54] survey and Oh, no. We're just going to

[6:55] do public comments and then I'll go into

[6:56] parking. Or do you want to do at the

[6:57] same time? Wait, he he called me and

[6:59] wanted me to speak for him cuz he said,

[7:01] "You're you're you're long- winded like

[7:03] me, Kevin."

[7:05] >> All at the same time.

[7:06] >> Okay. All at the same time. Okay. So,

[7:07] we're going to open up public comments

[7:09] and we'll do the park and wreck survey,

[7:11] which is a public comment. If you guys

[7:12] have any input on that before we go over

[7:15] all the results and everything.

[7:18] So, you're welcome to come up. Anybody

[7:20] online, you're welcome to speak.

[7:24] Buddy,

[7:27] >> I'd like to know what your what does the

[7:29] survey say? Can we comment on survey?

[7:32] >> We could do that.

[7:33] >> We can wait till after.

[7:34] >> Yeah, we can do that. I'll open it up.

[7:36] Yeah, but we'll do that. We'll go over

[7:37] the survey and I'll reopen the survey

[7:39] back up to public comment.

[7:41] >> That good? Okay, that's what we'll do.

[7:42] Any other public comments not regarding

[7:44] the survey?

[7:46] No. Okay, I'm going to close out the

[7:48] public comment session and we're going

[7:49] to roll right into the public hearing.

[7:51] I'm going to open up item number two,

[7:53] ordinance O-2026-14,

[7:55] repeal and replace title 14.13

[7:58] cemeteries. I'm not going to go into all

[8:00] the details right now. I'm just going to

[8:01] say that basically what we're doing is

[8:03] throwing out all the old ordinances they

[8:05] made 10 years ago and we're replacing

[8:06] them with simpler ordinance. So, if

[8:08] anybody has any comments or concerns on

[8:11] that, anybody online?

[8:14] No, nobody.

[8:16] All right, we're going to close out the

[8:18] public hearing for item number two,

[8:19] ordinance O-20226-14,

[8:22] repeal and replace title 14.13

[8:24] cemeteries. Rolling into item number

[8:26] three. I'm going to open up public

[8:27] hearing for resolution R-2026-20,

[8:30] water rate increase, amend title

[8:32] 01.20.010,

[8:35] residential of appendix A, schedule of

[8:37] water rates, fees, and charges.

[8:40] Any comments on that one? online

[8:45] get a good explanation for that later.

[8:47] Okay, I'm going to close item number

[8:49] three resol the public hearing on

[8:51] resolution R-2026-20

[8:52] water rate increase amend title

[8:54] 01.20.010

[8:56] residential appendix A schedule of water

[8:58] rates fees and charges. Last one roll on

[9:01] item number four, public hearing for

[9:03] resolution R-2026-18

[9:06] amending the town fee schedule relating

[9:08] to water rates, solid waste fees,

[9:09] boundary adjustments, master development

[9:11] agreements, water agreements, and other

[9:13] agreements requiring legal engineering

[9:14] or administrative review and

[9:16] establishing after the fact fees

[9:20] online here got comments.

[9:22] >> What does that mean?

[9:26] It means a whole lot of stuff and I'll

[9:28] go over later and I'll tell you what if

[9:29] you have any things you want to say

[9:31] about my open I'll take your question.

[9:34] Okay, we're going to close item number

[9:36] four resolution R-2026-18

[9:38] amending the town fee schedule relating

[9:40] to water rates solid waste fees boundary

[9:41] adjustment master development agreements

[9:43] water agreements and other agreements

[9:45] requiring legal engineering or

[9:47] administrative review and establishing

[9:48] after the fact fees. So we're going to

[9:51] roll right into discussion and action.

[9:52] We'll start right away with item number

[9:54] five, public, sorry, parks and

[9:57] recreation survey results. I'll go over

[9:59] the survey and then we'll open up some

[10:02] public comments again. So, in a

[10:04] nutshell, we had about 45 verified

[10:07] survey responses. Not a great turnout,

[10:10] but we'll take what we can get. Um, I'm

[10:12] not going to go through the whole

[10:13] survey. I'm going to hit you with some

[10:14] of the highest ranking uh priorities,

[10:17] which seems to be walking and biking

[10:18] trails,

[10:20] uh restrooms,

[10:22] shade trees, and landscaping,

[10:24] neighborhood parks, and community

[10:25] gathering event spaces.

[10:28] Residents uh want more walking, biking,

[10:31] multi-use trail system that provide safe

[10:33] recreation opportunities and connect

[10:34] different areas of the community. Cedar

[10:37] Point area was most frequently

[10:39] identified as needing some parks and

[10:41] recreation area because they don't have

[10:43] anything over there. Um most most report

[10:47] that they do not use the parks and

[10:48] recreation facility only occasionally or

[10:50] not at all in Apple Valley. Common

[10:52] reason was lack of recreation

[10:53] facilities, lack of nearby amenities,

[10:56] limited facilities in outline

[10:57] neighborhoods, lack of shade and

[10:59] restroom facilities which I'm not too

[11:01] sure.

[11:03] >> Well, we do hear that's it. Yeah, this

[11:05] here. But so the tier one priorities,

[11:08] uh, the top two are restrooms and biking

[11:10] trails or sorry, walking and biking

[11:13] trails and restrooms. Top two, the top

[11:16] tier two, something that come out with

[11:18] the pickle ball courts and community

[11:19] events and festival. So here's some of

[11:21] the ideas that we've been going around

[11:24] with.

[11:24] >> I know where we got a tenure parcel out

[11:26] there close by.

[11:27] >> I make hard work that out,

[11:30] >> but Michelle's got a better idea and

[11:32] she's gonna work wonders.

[11:34] her and chief have been very

[11:35] instrumental in all this and a huge

[11:37] help. I could not be doing this without

[11:39] him. I know I get the credit, but trust

[11:40] me, this is all Michelle and Chief. Um,

[11:43] so some of this we talk about is hiking,

[11:45] walking, bike trails. U Michelle's been

[11:48] really paying attention on how can we

[11:49] connect Cedar Point over to proper with

[11:52] hiking trails, biking trails, stuff of

[11:54] that nature. So, we'll kind of go over

[11:55] that. Um, I something that I kind of had

[11:59] an idea and I don't know if it'll people

[12:01] will like it or not. If you've ever been

[12:02] to some of these walking trails in other

[12:04] towns, they'll have outdoor workout

[12:06] facilities along the trail where you can

[12:07] stop and do pull-ups, push-ups, walk

[12:10] games, stuff like that. I don't know if

[12:11] there's interest there. Um, a big one

[12:14] that wasn't brought up too much, but I

[12:15] like, um, and if nobody else likes it,

[12:18] doesn't matter. I'll just get one vote

[12:19] like everybody else, but is a horse

[12:21] arena because we have so many horse

[12:22] people here. And I think when I'm

[12:25] dealing with developers, we seem to be

[12:27] trying to attract horse people. Um, so

[12:30] maybe a horse arena and I even went as

[12:32] far as we've been over to Gunlock Falls.

[12:33] Gunlock, um, they have a neat little

[12:35] rodeo facility there. It's not too big,

[12:37] it's not too small. Maybe we could get

[12:39] into something like that that the

[12:41] residents can use those facilities and

[12:42] then maybe once a year we have a little

[12:44] rodeo. Um, kind of bring some people in.

[12:47] >> So that's some ideas I had. Then we of

[12:49] course playgrounds, pickle ball courts,

[12:51] basketball courts. as we grow and we're

[12:55] looking more like skate parks, BMX

[12:56] tracks, soccer field, baseball fields,

[12:59] ponds with fishing, and then the petting

[13:01] zoo with the community garden that I

[13:02] eventually want to hook all in together.

[13:04] So, um, that's some of the stuff that's

[13:06] come back. So, let's do this. Let's open

[13:09] it back up. Let you guys say anything.

[13:10] If you have suggestions, you guys can

[13:12] everybody can jump in. I'm not We're not

[13:15] real official. Just jump up and

[13:17] >> stand up for this or am I good here?

[13:19] >> You're good right there. when you're

[13:20] doing the trails. My thoughts are I know

[13:22] there's at least some kids on the other

[13:23] side of the highway is if you have some

[13:25] access under the highway so kids and it

[13:27] might it would be beneficial for them

[13:29] even early on for the school depending

[13:31] on where you set it up. If they walked a

[13:32] road to the to get on the bus they come

[13:34] under the highway safe way to get in and

[13:37] out. Same with the bike trails you can

[13:39] do that so you can share what's on

[13:42] foot.

[13:44] You want to go to the front so you get a

[13:45] better recording?

[13:46] >> So I can get a better

[13:49] death. Just I'm just going to put

[13:51] resident just it just helps the

[13:53] >> It helps with the reporting.

[13:54] >> Yeah.

[13:55] >> You go ahead. You might go ahead.

[13:56] >> Oh, I was just

[14:00] back to

[14:01] >> anybody else. The Utah Trail was going

[14:04] to do up the highway. How's What's the

[14:07] timeline on that?

[14:08] >> I don't know much stuff. You know,

[14:09] >> I just got I saw something on Facebook

[14:12] about it.

[14:13] >> Yeah. I have

[14:15] >> something from here from Virgin out

[14:18] sheet bridge and up to the state line.

[14:22] >> Long has a long tie into that.

[14:25] >> Well, Michelle was kind of brainstorming

[14:26] with me.

[14:28] >> It's going to be a biking trail similar

[14:31] to what you see out on the other side of

[14:32] St. George where they've got the it's

[14:34] not going to be connected to the

[14:36] highway. It's going to be in the

[14:37] easement

[14:38] >> and it's like a paved

[14:39] >> but it's like a paved two-laneish.

[14:43] We kind of talked about that. We talked

[14:45] about where the pipeline is somehow a

[14:46] walking trail, but like Michelle said,

[14:48] most people don't want to bike or walk

[14:49] right by the highway. And I would be

[14:51] really scared of car losing control and

[14:53] hitting someone.

[14:54] >> Yeah,

[14:54] >> the odds are pretty slim like no, but we

[14:56] do have a problem with the highway. So,

[14:58] she was actually looking at trying to

[15:00] outline between town limits and

[15:03] wilderness property and chief actually

[15:05] jumped in and talked to BLM and and

[15:07] they're saying it might not be as hard

[15:08] as we had been told. I don't have a lot

[15:10] of experience with it. I just go off

[15:12] what I've been told by people from the

[15:13] past and they're this will never happen

[15:14] blah blah blah. But Chief's had pretty

[15:16] good luck so far. So we're kind of

[15:18] chugging along on those lines to where

[15:20] we can get

[15:20] >> horseback riding.

[15:21] >> Yeah. Something with horseback riding

[15:22] and hikers and stuff, bikers that can

[15:24] get from Cedar Point, bubbling wells

[15:27] coming along the edge of the hills, come

[15:28] over into here. We've even got a little

[15:30] piece of land we're looking at that

[15:31] maybe could be like a staging area where

[15:33] people could or horse trailers or

[15:35] whatever. Um I would like it to continue

[15:37] around the outskirts of town. We're

[15:39] trying to make it so you don't cross the

[15:41] highway. Horses should not be crossing

[15:42] the highway, but you have a good idea,

[15:44] Mike did, about, you know, some kind of

[15:45] underpass. I know there's a few of them

[15:48] along the highway. Believe this or not,

[15:50] uh you might not know this, but right

[15:51] there in the corner of Cedar Point where

[15:52] the tiny homes are, there's a little we

[15:55] put a little culbert there. It goes

[15:57] under the highway. If you dig down,

[15:58] there's a trail that goes under the

[16:00] highway right there that used to run

[16:01] cattle through. It just filled in

[16:03] completely. When we were digging the

[16:04] pipeline, we found it and they're like,

[16:05] "What do you want us to do? This thing's

[16:06] 15 ft deep." I was like, "Well, you're

[16:09] going to have to dig down and bury the

[16:10] pipe under. What do you want me to say?"

[16:11] But there's actual tunnels right there

[16:13] that go under the highway. They're just

[16:14] filled in. Um, so maybe that'd be

[16:16] something we could utilize. I don't

[16:18] know. I don't know what the rules are

[16:19] with stuff like that.

[16:23] » So, you can ride So, I feel a mountain

[16:25] bike. I'll ride down to like

[16:27] >> you can ride an hurricane from here

[16:29] almost completely on dirt except to get

[16:32] from out here to past Little Creek Mesa

[16:35] there. Yeah. Do the highway for like a

[16:36] half mile and every time I do it I feel

[16:38] like I'm gonna die.

[16:39] >> I mean otherwise you can go up and go

[16:41] down this fire road that

[16:44] >> you are taking your life in your hand.

[16:46] >> Yeah. So so through the trail to get

[16:48] from here to the edge of the gold road

[16:50] right there.

[16:50] >> Gold wash the side and then go under the

[16:52] highway. That'd be great.

[16:53] >> So gold wash road is going to be getting

[16:54] improved soon too. As a part of a

[16:56] culttooka they got to put in culberts

[16:58] widen the road put in new road bays make

[17:00] it nice. So

[17:01] >> that's a good idea. I know the same

[17:03] thing. When you're on the side by side

[17:04] you got to come out right there. very

[17:05] lodged to jump on the highway to the

[17:07] wash that section right there. So,

[17:10] >> no

[17:13] Steve

[17:15] >> I'd like

[17:18] go ahead.

[17:19] >> We got the wash system running through

[17:21] from the bottom down here goes into the

[17:25] underneath where you talking need to be

[17:27] fixed.

[17:28] >> While that process goes on, it's tall

[17:30] enough to run horses.

[17:32] >> Yeah. But we can take all the way up

[17:34] through this wash system, put check dams

[17:36] in there. If you want fishing ponds,

[17:38] then we got an access to do that. We

[17:41] want trees, you cottonwood can go down

[17:43] in that wash to help hold them things.

[17:46] >> So, it's a win-win situation.

[17:49] Put picnic tables around by the trees.

[17:52] There's a influx of cottonwood at my

[17:55] house. Need a home.

[17:59] state you'd like to donate the fish

[18:00] down,

[18:01] >> but that's something we could look at

[18:04] and then we can maintain this, slow this

[18:06] flow of water down, get it back in our

[18:08] aquafer. It's a win-win situation. We

[18:10] got a park system out of it, walking

[18:12] trails out of it, force trails out of

[18:13] it.

[18:14] >> The wash is really quite unique in the

[18:17] way it's designed and everything.

[18:18] >> The issue with the only issue with the

[18:19] wash is is everybody has to remember I

[18:21] know everybody thinks the town owns

[18:22] that. We do not have the private

[18:23] property that

[18:24] >> but now this portion

[18:25] >> for engineers or whatever

[18:26] >> this portion was owned by Travis home

[18:31] not anymore but obviously they want the

[18:34] new whoever is going to get this land is

[18:35] going to want to develop this. So we

[18:37] have some some pull there as far as

[18:39] getting some of this wide allocated to

[18:41] the town for that but that portion down

[18:43] there but it's kind of useless land and

[18:45] maybe people would want to uh I know

[18:47] people ride the horses down there and

[18:49] that's their business. I just don't ever

[18:51] want to think the town owns that. But

[18:52] yeah, we might be able to talk to those

[18:54] property owners because it's really even

[18:55] just give us a right of way to go. Not

[18:57] don't don't have to give us the land,

[18:58] just give us a right of way to get

[19:00] through.

[19:01] >> Right. You know, I was going to add to

[19:02] that. It's nonusable down there.

[19:04] Insurance region is in the flood zone.

[19:06] >> Yes.

[19:07] >> So, I don't want to say con it can be

[19:09] condemned, but it's nonusable. You

[19:11] cannot build a structure,

[19:13] >> a permanent structure. So if they're

[19:16] willing to give, it's just like we give

[19:19] to the center of the street for public

[19:20] access. Yeah. Right.

[19:22] >> All right. So now this wash was they can

[19:24] give 13 ft whatever and there we go

[19:27] through that. We can get it all sloped

[19:29] off so it's properly draining into it

[19:31] instead of flooding into it. Catch that

[19:34] water and get it back down in the

[19:35] aquifer all the way along that plant

[19:37] that cottonwoods in there. their water

[19:39] storage t

[19:41] their root system they'll maintain

[19:43] themsel

[19:45] if we ever get any rain but

[19:48] >> we will get the rain but we can look at

[19:51] all aspects of of

[19:53] then you got a walking trail all the way

[19:55] to the top you got a road and access

[19:57] where the cattle came through now horse

[19:59] can go through cross the other side now

[20:01] we got to figure a way to get them back

[20:03] on the other side point or they split

[20:06] off there and go up and take care of

[20:08] that uh the do.

[20:11] >> Yeah.

[20:13] >> On the edge of the BLM.

[20:15] >> Do that. You got a deal there. Then it

[20:17] gets out gets you access to all that

[20:19] rock country.

[20:21] >> We got trails back up around this and go

[20:23] up into the canyons or whatever. It's

[20:25] still private through there, but then

[20:26] you get into the BLM down in there, too.

[20:30] >> Good. Before Before we go, I feel like I

[20:33] might have some dirt bike riders back

[20:34] here possibly. Uh, don't worry if this

[20:37] is a concern with you guys. Everything I

[20:39] do with the developments is has to have

[20:42] plenty of open roads to connect to the

[20:44] BLM land. I'm not going to block you

[20:46] guys off. I I don't I'm too old to ride

[20:47] dirt bikes, but I'm an off-roader. Um,

[20:49] everything we do, we're trying to keep

[20:50] roads and access to the BLM land. So,

[20:52] we're never having to go through

[20:54] someone's private development. We're

[20:55] working around them, making them, in

[20:57] fact, go a cult out there on Gold Wash

[20:59] Road. We actually making them make a

[21:01] specific trail that goes from Gold Bash

[21:03] on the side of their development to

[21:05] access the BLM to go up that hill up

[21:06] towards the towers. So, we're not going

[21:08] to close it off when we're developing

[21:09] that.

[21:09] >> Good.

[21:11] >> Okay.

[21:12] >> Kathy Stoker

[21:14] and I'm a horseback rider

[21:16] >> and I've been here about six years. Been

[21:18] shown some of these trails that go here,

[21:22] there, and everywhere. And lately, we've

[21:24] been blocked off from access to some of

[21:28] these. Uh, and I I'd put up a gate if

[21:32] they'd let us have uh access to say,

[21:35] "Okay, we we know we don't want the cows

[21:38] here, there, and everywhere,

[21:39] >> you know." Uh but to instead of having

[21:42] Fort Knox to have a gate that we have to

[21:45] try to get through, uh I'd put up a gate

[21:49] if they just give us the rightway to

[21:52] continue access to that. I don't, you

[21:54] know, I don't think it's that big of a

[21:56] deal, but

[21:57] >> some residents can or some can be very

[21:59] cooperative and some be like,

[22:02] >> don't even come near me, don't come to

[22:04] my nothing. So, it just depends on the

[22:06] property owners. Um, we don't close

[22:09] anything up. Honestly, the town hardly

[22:10] owns anything. The town does not own I

[22:12] know a lot of people think, "Oh, it's

[22:13] town property." The town hardly I mean,

[22:14] we own this right here and we own over

[22:16] there at the mailboxes.

[22:18] >> That's about it.

[22:19] We own the wells and

[22:20] the tank right there. Just that little

[22:21] area. Towns own a lot of property.

[22:24] Unfortunately, we do not. But

[22:25] >> Well, and I know you own the pond that's

[22:27] over there at the end of Zion Drive that

[22:31] they where

[22:32] >> Yeah. For the wealth.

[22:34] >> Yeah. There's a 3acre thing there for

[22:37] that. But anyway, yeah, I just we just

[22:40] uh want to have access to we can keep

[22:43] riding from our house. We go and we hit

[22:46] the the trail up there by the water

[22:48] tower. There's a nice trail up around

[22:50] there. And to go down, I know we're on

[22:52] people's properties, but the road's

[22:54] there and it's been there forever that

[22:56] if somebody thinks, you know, that

[22:58] should be cut off, there's, you know,

[23:00] hey, we've been doing this for a long

[23:02] time. Do they have the right to say,

[23:04] "Nope, we don't want you there anymore."

[23:06] But so far so good.

[23:07] >> Clue here. Maybe you guys all know this.

[23:09] is what I was taught. If there's a

[23:11] no trespassing sign, you don't go in. If

[23:12] there's a lock gate, obviously you don't

[23:14] go in. Or if there's a some a sign or a

[23:16] tree painted orange.

[23:17] >> If it's not there, you go in, you shut

[23:21] the gate, and you're and you're allowed

[23:22] to go through there. People don't care.

[23:23] And that's kind of the rule I practice.

[23:25] I don't I don't horseback ride anymore,

[23:27] but I I offroad my Can-Am and my

[23:30] Expeditions.

[23:31] >> Yeah. And that's the rule we live by.

[23:33] And we've never I've never had a problem

[23:34] nobody yell at me. But I do know if you

[23:36] they're paint orange. Use that purple. I

[23:39] didn't know purple.

[23:40] >> There's some property around this area

[23:42] proper that we have to actually to get

[23:44] to BLM land. We have to go through.

[23:47] >> Yeah.

[23:48] >> I guess that's the point is

[23:50] >> now what we can do is as they develop

[23:52] this land, like I said, I can make sure

[23:53] we have access through there that they

[23:55] don't close us off. But until they

[23:57] develop, if they just own the property,

[23:59] I can't there. I have no power to say

[24:01] you have to let people go in there. It's

[24:02] just if they want to let you, they can.

[24:04] But when they sign up for when they come

[24:06] to us and say, "Hey, we want to develop

[24:07] property. We want to put this in. We

[24:08] want to put a house in." Then I can say,

[24:10] "Okay, but this is what you're going to

[24:12] do."

[24:13] >> Is it just a couple of parcels?

[24:15] >> There's places that have been open and

[24:16] then they got closed, you know,

[24:19] >> Fort Knox fences.

[24:22] >> So the land sell there's a new owner

[24:25] there now.

[24:25] >> Yeah. And it's public road to public

[24:28] road. It's just sometimes people really

[24:29] want to deter you to go through it. It

[24:32] makes it really hard. They have, you

[24:34] know, lots of stuff

[24:35] >> and even though you're actually on a

[24:37] rideway, a public rideway, and that's

[24:40] kind of what we're just trying to make

[24:41] sure our public rideways stay open and

[24:43] have access to get that via live land

[24:45] kind of like what a cultura is doing

[24:47] around here.

[24:48] >> Yeah,

[24:49] >> because a lot of us have horses around

[24:51] here.

[24:53] >> We could get our little caucus going.

[24:57] Maybe we can look at that specifically

[24:58] and try to come up with some plan to

[25:01] >> unfortunately takes one two two gates.

[25:04] And if we could,

[25:06] >> you know, if they would say, okay, as

[25:07] long as you keep those cows out of

[25:09] >> and on the back of the well subdivision

[25:12] would be really nice if we could just

[25:13] have a gate that has access to outside

[25:18] that into that subdivision.

[25:21] >> We could show you.

[25:22] >> So, yeah. So,

[25:24] >> thank you.

[25:25] Let me explain a little something about

[25:27] that. Unfortunately, when the well

[25:29] subdivision went in, it was not handled

[25:30] properly. Um, we had an emergency exit

[25:34] there. There is an easement there.

[25:36] Unfortunately, as most easements are

[25:38] supposed to be done, granted to the town

[25:40] and the town owned that the

[25:43] administration did not make the wells

[25:44] dedicate that to the town. So, they

[25:47] actually own that easement right away.

[25:50] So, I can't make them say, "Oh, that's

[25:52] the town emergency exit. we can have

[25:54] people going through on horseback. So,

[25:56] yeah. So, we'll we'll look at it and see

[25:58] what we can come up with. Um, but I'm

[26:00] very in tune to that. I mean, I want

[26:02] this to be a horse town. That's what

[26:03] people a lot, you know, seems like

[26:05] you're either an off-roader or a horse

[26:06] rider. The people that move here, um,

[26:08] it's two of the big things. Bikers,

[26:10] hikers, you know, I get all that stuff,

[26:11] too. But, um, I'm very in tune, even

[26:14] though I don't ride anymore. I'm very in

[26:15] tune with that. I do want to keep as

[26:17] much trails and open space as we

[26:19] possibly can. So, um, I'll look at that.

[26:23] Maybe I'll get with you later and you

[26:25] can tell me where some of these gates

[26:26] are too and I can call property owners

[26:28] and just ask nicely. That's about all I

[26:31] clout I have with them.

[26:32] >> Maybe we can too, but I don't know.

[26:33] >> Is that mainly because they're running

[26:35] cattle in there and you're worried about

[26:36] the cattle getting

[26:37] >> I think that's what it is

[26:39] a fence.

[26:40] >> I know what

[26:41] >> fences that you'd have to have a hold.

[26:45] >> Is there Is there any way to run a new

[26:47] fence line down or opening that ement up

[26:49] where the cattle can't get out? Uh, we

[26:51] just need to put the gates in. They

[26:53] they'll just let me I'll put the gates

[26:54] in. I'll put the gates in. Just

[26:56] >> I'll have the guys put it in if they'll

[26:58] let us. But the issue I know with I do

[27:00] know a couple of the cattle people that

[27:02] run cow the people that run cattle here

[27:03] are usually not the property owners.

[27:05] They are contracting or leasing the

[27:06] property. And I do know two of them that

[27:09] had really bad issues with gates being

[27:11] left open. I'm not saying it was you

[27:13] guys obviously. It's none of us.

[27:15] >> One bad person. and then that and their

[27:16] cows got out and what one of them there

[27:18] was even a cow that was hit on the

[27:20] highway and it did $1,000 damage for the

[27:26] car and the cow. Um so yeah, and they

[27:30] said, "Okay, we're just going to fence

[27:31] these gates off because people be open

[27:33] and so yeah, I can I can get with you

[27:36] and see which gates you're talking about

[27:37] and see what I can do to help." I I can

[27:38] try. I can't make no promise, but I I

[27:40] can try.

[27:41] >> Yeah. And if if they'll let us, I'll

[27:43] send the guys out to put up a gate for

[27:45] you. No problem.

[27:46] >> I get involved in

[27:50] the

[27:51] >> I heard you

[27:55] probably

[27:56] >> How's that?

[27:57] >> I know the water truck's not ours. Who

[27:59] does it belong to?

[28:00] >> The water truck.

[28:01] >> The pump track over there.

[28:03] >> No, the pump track.

[28:04] >> Where else?

[28:04] >> Over by Cedar Point where they ride all

[28:06] their motorbikes and stuff.

[28:07] >> BLM land.

[28:08] >> Oh, the track. I'm sorry. You said

[28:09] track. I used to say Oh, yeah. That's

[28:11] BLM. That doesn't do all

[28:14] >> everything north of that.

[28:15] >> Yeah. No, they can. I mean, everybody

[28:17] goes there. I know Mike done some work.

[28:19] I know some people work on that and and

[28:21] >> yeah, that's that's all BLM land. Even

[28:24] that road that is considered a town road

[28:27] is not our road. It's privately owned at

[28:29] BLM,

[28:30] >> but it has been there seven years, so it

[28:33] becomes a prescriptive easement.

[28:34] >> So, we're working on some of those. So,

[28:36] >> that road's been there a long time.

[28:37] >> Yeah, we're working on some of those,

[28:39] too. Yep. What else? Anybody else? Hey,

[28:42] Linda.

[28:43] >> Okay, Linda.

[28:46] So, I know that it looks like we're

[28:48] looking at the bigger picture of the

[28:51] hiking trails, the bikes, that kind of

[28:53] thing, but what about things that are

[28:56] smaller? So, I got told a couple people

[29:00] about where I work. They put a mile long

[29:04] track in around their property.

[29:07] Super beautiful.

[29:09] It's all done with um the sand thing so

[29:12] it can't hurt anybody and anybody could

[29:15] go on it. Somebody with a baby stroller,

[29:17] somebody with a wheelchair,

[29:20] somebody that just wants to walk. I

[29:22] don't know what it would run, but that's

[29:24] a smaller idea of just a walking area

[29:29] for the older and young people. Okay.

[29:33] >> The other thing is

[29:34] >> neighborhood.

[29:35] >> The neighborhood. And then the other

[29:37] thing is the skateboard part that and I know that that could bring a lot of

[29:43] people to get hurt maybe and need

[29:46] insurance and all that but to me

[29:49] something that small and it doesn't have

[29:51] to be gigantic. I mean, these skate

[29:54] parks started in swimming pools.

[29:57] >> Yep.

[29:58] >> And they can be bigger than that. But

[30:01] again, that's giving some of these kids

[30:04] >> absolutely

[30:05] >> something to do.

[30:06] >> And that's what I'm worried about is

[30:08] these kids.

[30:09] >> Some are able to find their own

[30:12] enjoyment.

[30:13] >> Yep.

[30:14] >> But there's other ones that have nothing

[30:15] to do, so they find things they

[30:17] shouldn't find.

[30:18] >> Do do any of them like pulling weeds?

[30:20] Just send them over.

[30:23] No, I did all that. So, I gave it. So,

[30:25] let me kind of tell you guys the vision

[30:27] that I have unless public input kind of

[30:29] changes that.

[30:30] >> So, the vision I have is we're going to

[30:32] continue with this park here and we're

[30:34] going to add on to it. I had already

[30:36] started working out a deal with the

[30:37] developer that did own the land. He

[30:39] doesn't own it anymore. So, I'll have to

[30:40] start new talks with the new owner comes

[30:42] in once it develops because it's going

[30:44] to happen. I I told you guys once the

[30:45] zone change is done. I can't stop. They

[30:48] previous administrations approved that.

[30:50] Nothing I can do. We can slow it down.

[30:51] We can do it, right? A lot of stuff we

[30:52] can do, but I can't stop it. So, it's

[30:54] going to still get developed even though

[30:55] they don't own. So, when that time

[30:57] comes, I'm going to get them to donate.

[31:00] One of the people looking to buy it was

[31:01] offering like 100 acres. They were like,

[31:02] "Whatever you want." So, we're going to

[31:04] get more land right here. And my vision

[31:06] was a nice park with a big couple big

[31:10] ponds with some fishing fishing guys,

[31:12] you know. um and naturally bed into

[31:15] that, feeding it in, tying that in with

[31:17] the community garden, a property north

[31:19] of the cemetery for animals with a

[31:21] petting zoo. They can start raising

[31:22] animals, chickens, cows, all that good

[31:24] stuff. And have a lot of parks there

[31:25] with walking trail all the way around

[31:28] the whole park, across the pond, the

[31:29] bridge, and something along those lines.

[31:32] Pickle ball courts, just stuff to do all

[31:34] right here in Cedar Point. I know Cedar

[31:37] Point gets left out of this. Uh we are

[31:39] working Michelle's actually we just kind

[31:40] of started working on getting some BLM

[31:42] land over there possibly near the fire

[31:44] station. Nothing written in stone. We're

[31:46] trying where we'll build a secondary

[31:47] small park over there with some hiking

[31:49] trails that will come over this way and

[31:51] connect everything together. Um my other

[31:54] vision was the out along the highway is

[31:56] going to be the commercial area. That's

[31:58] the way it's going. So from Chevron on

[31:59] both sides of the highway over towards

[32:01] Gooseberry Lodges, you're going to have

[32:02] commercial in there. And with the last

[32:05] developer I had talked about a walking

[32:07] street that's closed to driving and

[32:09] you'll have a great big parking lot

[32:11] where people not not high ground when

[32:14] I'm going high people can park there

[32:17] >> and yeah and walk down the walking

[32:20] street and you'll have little

[32:21] restaurants and stuff to do with no

[32:23] traffic so you can say please we got

[32:25] tourists that's what we have we don't

[32:26] have a mine we don't have factories we

[32:28] have touris that's what's going to be

[32:29] out we get tourists like it or not

[32:31] that's what's going to happen we got

[32:32] Zion 20 minutes way. That's what's going

[32:35] to happen to Apple Valley. It's going to

[32:36] be towards So, um, that walking street

[32:39] would then connect over, start over here

[32:41] at the commercial area with a parking

[32:42] lot, connect over and end up over here

[32:45] into the park, the community garden, the

[32:47] petting zoo. If you've noticed on my

[32:49] town plan, that's a really big parking

[32:51] lot right there by the cemetery and the

[32:53] town garden. So, that was a thought. You

[32:54] could come and park on either end and do

[32:56] a shopping trail out here over to there.

[32:59] So

[33:00] >> they had 450 million people visit

[33:06] >> phenomenal amount

[33:10] >> 450

[33:11] >> second most visited park in the nation

[33:13] >> in the nation.

[33:14] >> So yeah it's coming. I mean it's it's I can't stop it guys. I mean I can stop

[33:18] any we I shouldn't say I. We can stop

[33:21] anyone new grow any zone changes. That's

[33:24] your power zone changes. If they all the

[33:26] stuff that was approved though it's

[33:27] gone. So, I just wanted to tell you guys

[33:28] that that cuz that's where the the park

[33:30] situation is going. A huge massive park

[33:32] here with the sky's is the limit. Um,

[33:35] it's all based on the impact that we're

[33:36] working on. And then a secondary park

[33:38] over there in Cedar and that's as far as

[33:39] we've gotten. Jeepson Canyon and their

[33:41] development agreement they have, but

[33:42] they have to put a park in. I think it's

[33:44] two acres.

[33:45] >> Whatever they build over here will just

[33:46] be part of this. So,

[33:49] that's kind of going to get tied into

[33:50] the park. So, I just brought that up.

[33:52] You brought up the walking trail and

[33:53] that was my vision. have, you know, a

[33:55] huge, like you said, a mile long parking

[33:56] trail that goes, I envision trees and

[33:59] some grass and some ponds and just a

[34:01] beautiful area.

[34:02] >> And they did it all in rock so much. I

[34:04] mean, they have trees,

[34:06] >> but it's done. The ground is rock.

[34:08] There's no grass, so it's not picky.

[34:10] They do have

[34:12] >> two waterfalls

[34:13] >> and a little stream that's no bigger

[34:15] from you to me

[34:18] >> that at least you can have a bench and

[34:20] sit there and listen to the sound of

[34:22] water. Mhm.

[34:23] >> Um I'm sure it cost I don't think it's

[34:27] cheap, but it's got to be cheaper than

[34:30] >> Yeah.

[34:31] >> doing these big

[34:32] >> Yeah. It's kind of a twofold. When we

[34:34] talk talk parks and wreck, we will have

[34:36] actual parks and that kind of gets into

[34:37] pickle ball courts and basketball courts

[34:39] and all that, but then there's the

[34:40] hiking trails and the biking. It's all

[34:42] rolled into one. So, yes, we do have

[34:45] plans for I know you guys saw we kind of

[34:47] in the talented may a lot of people

[34:48] drove about a pool. We can't do a pool.

[34:51] Too much liability, too much

[34:52] maintenance. I looked into it for you

[34:54] guys and nobody's going to go for the

[34:56] liability and the maintenance is

[34:57] outrageous for because there's you have

[34:59] to go through the health department when

[35:00] it's a town pool. Like my I don't have

[35:02] to do that, but a town pool. So, I doubt

[35:04] that happen, but maybe a splash pad.

[35:07] This development here, the few people

[35:08] that are looking into buying it now that

[35:10] it's under different ownership are

[35:12] looking into more a

[35:15] not the higher end staying like a

[35:16] cultteroka with $7 million homes like

[35:19] they're envisioning. They're envisioning

[35:20] affordable oneacre lots that are going

[35:23] to sell for a couple hundred,000 more

[35:25] geared to people like uh the they're

[35:28] going to need a culture ro I think he

[35:29] told me and I think could be created 250

[35:31] positions they're going to have over

[35:32] there when it's all said and done. So

[35:34] he's got to have somewhere for these

[35:36] people to live. So that's kind of the

[35:37] thought with this over here is 1acre

[35:39] lots are a little more affordable. Um

[35:41] and those will bring in more families

[35:43] thus more need for parks and stuff like

[35:45] that. Uh we have a BMX bike track type

[35:48] deal something on our list this skate

[35:50] park of course like we talked about the

[35:53] hiking trails the motorcycles all that

[35:54] stuff. So

[35:55] >> well and I know on trees some take a

[35:58] long time to grow but Richard will cut

[36:00] you cottonwoods I've got 11 of them in

[36:03] my at my house. The only thing is the

[36:06] leaves when they drop and the snowfall

[36:09] >> but it's not a big deal. It's It's sort

[36:11] of nice, you know. It doesn't get into

[36:13] stuff.

[36:15] >> I can see this coming.

[36:18] >> We got a home for the leaves, Kevin.

[36:21] >> We do. We will be over to collect those

[36:23] for the community garden. Although

[36:25] you're a part of that. You spag them up

[36:27] and get them down.

[36:29] >> So, my vision goes around the community

[36:30] garden with the park and incorporating

[36:33] the fish, the ponds, of what a river. I

[36:36] haven't worked too much with them yet,

[36:38] but that's my goal. And then the the

[36:40] petting zoo. These are going to be

[36:42] animals, I'm guessing, for the garden

[36:44] that are going to be butchered and

[36:45] consumed. But the kids don't need to

[36:46] know that. We could just tell them it's

[36:47] a petting zoo. And you know, they're

[36:49] going to go pet the cows and the

[36:51] chickens. No elephants.

[36:52] >> Yeah. Cows, chickens, goats, you know,

[36:55] something like that. Just somewhere for

[36:56] the

[36:58] >> Yep.

[36:59] >> Something I'm preaching in the corner

[37:00] about the whole thing. So, we open that

[37:02] fishing store. Of course, I'm biased,

[37:04] but um I'm amazed at how many kids come

[37:06] into our store and they're just addicted

[37:08] to fishing and it's probably keeping

[37:10] them out of trouble and they're and

[37:12] they're sneaking in the ponds in

[37:13] Pokerville and on golf courses and

[37:14] everything. I think that could happen

[37:15] here.

[37:16] >> Um and and and even like I'm amazed that

[37:19] even just older people that can't get up

[37:20] to the higher elevation mountains and

[37:22] they're they're going to like held out

[37:23] pond or fishing there. So I think if you

[37:26] guys do that I think we might even be

[37:27] one to help build a accessible dock for

[37:30] people with mobility issues that fish

[37:32] off the dock.

[37:32] >> So Bradley's vision some Bradley his

[37:34] vision is to somehow we get all this

[37:36] land over here and we dam it up and this

[37:38] is a giant lake.

[37:40] >> Yeah.

[37:40] >> It's going to bring in tourists. Uh

[37:41] nobody can build houses there. We're

[37:43] going to have a water supply go in the

[37:45] offer. I just don't know how to execute.

[37:46] It's a great idea, but I would love to

[37:48] have some kind of recreation type ponds.

[37:50] I mean the ones I'm talking about in the

[37:51] park are smaller level but we've been

[37:53] looking different spot because it is

[37:55] good for the aquafer and you can use it

[37:58] as a reservoir but now you got to bring

[37:59] in treatment and that's very expensive.

[38:01] So, I'm not saying that's not down the

[38:02] road. That's definitely coming with

[38:03] growth, but we would love to do

[38:05] something like that and Bradley been

[38:07] trying to obviously the developers

[38:09] aren't into it because there's no money

[38:10] in that for them. Um, but

[38:12] >> Well, also my birds up the valley here.

[38:16] >> It is. No, no, for sure. I

[38:19] >> We can excavate out that three acre side

[38:21] of the hill.

[38:24] >> I donate my 10 acres, but Bradley's got

[38:26] this vision of on the side of the

[38:27] highway. I mean, Brad's got like this

[38:29] 400 acre lake vision, you know, like

[38:32] >> you know what that's going to help

[38:34] create here? Going to put the humidity

[38:36] in the atmosphere, right? It's going to

[38:38] rain.

[38:40] >> It's all great. I just can't figure out

[38:42] how to do it.

[38:43] >> You got to just get it put together. How

[38:45] to how to get this to fit.

[38:47] >> Bradley always has great ideas. He just

[38:49] doesn't tell me how to execute them.

[38:50] That's

[38:52] >> Bradley. We'll give you We'll give you

[38:54] >> I'm trying. I'm trying. I'm trying. So,

[38:56] that's something dumping one of your one

[38:58] of my best customers, your nephew. You

[39:01] aren't

[39:02] >> Yep. No, he loves it. I mean, I don't

[39:03] know where this came from. We never He's

[39:05] never fished in his life and all of a

[39:06] sudden got into fishing and I went

[39:07] fishing. Yes, sir.

[39:08] >> I was just going to say I like all the

[39:10] ideas, but we should definitely hone in

[39:11] on the sports section for all the

[39:13] younger people.

[39:13] >> Yes.

[39:14] >> I know probably everyone else doesn't

[39:16] care much about pickle ball and

[39:18] volleyball and stuff, but yeah, that'd

[39:20] be great.

[39:21] >> What kind of stuff you guys like to see?

[39:22] I I have Yeah, the pickle ball for the

[39:25] elderly people. I don't think young

[39:26] people in it too much. Of course, the

[39:28] playgrounds for little kids. I have

[39:29] basketball courts, baseball fields,

[39:30] soccer. Um, just I want to get a big

[39:33] grassy area with some soccer goals. I

[39:34] mean, from there, you don't have to play

[39:36] soccer. You can do pretty much. I know

[39:37] it seems to be real big over Hill, but

[39:39] Frisbee golf. I always thought that was

[39:41] kind of a It's kind of funny to see

[39:43] these guys, these I'm going to use some

[39:45] terminology, some redneck type guys in

[39:47] their boots out there playing. It

[39:48] cracked me up every time I see it. They

[39:49] just don't look like Obviously, you guys

[39:51] know I'm from California and you got

[39:52] these Yepies out there playing Frisbee

[39:54] golf. That's what I'm seeing. these guys

[39:55] out there with their mullets and their

[39:57] boots and out. It just cracks me up

[39:58] every time. It doesn't look like these

[39:59] people playing frisbee golf, but it's

[40:00] been a big hit over there. G

[40:02] >> I just wanted to pipe in that young s

[40:04] there. He walked the door said he's here

[40:06] to put on pickle ball court. So

[40:08] >> it isn't the only

[40:08] >> It isn't. Okay. I don't know about

[40:10] pickle. I I have a pickle ball court in

[40:12] my house, but I don't play. The kids

[40:14] play.

[40:15] >> My 19-year-old goes and plays pickle

[40:16] ball every Friday morning.

[40:20] >> No, I'm into I'm into the the sports. I

[40:22] definitely

[40:23] >> want to do all that. That's what I first

[40:24] started thinking park. That's what it

[40:26] was going to be. But then we got into

[40:28] and all that. So,

[40:29] >> well, they want to talk about extreme

[40:31] sports. Let's put arena over there and

[40:33] some bucking shoots and I'll help you

[40:35] guys bully.

[40:36] >> I'm into that. I really am. I really

[40:39] >> mean,

[40:40] >> what are you doing telling everybody

[40:41] those are my kids? I'm gonna have

[40:43] problems.

[40:48] » I think we'll have problems because

[40:49] we're your kids.

[40:51] >> Exactly. That's probably true, too. No,

[40:54] we definitely need

[40:55] >> the problem is is a lot of retired

[40:57] people here and and the small amount of

[40:59] kids we have do get neglected, but

[41:00] that's not staying that way. I mean,

[41:02] like I said, this guy started putting a

[41:03] lot 250 employees over here. Old people

[41:06] like me that are retired don't work over

[41:08] here at the Oktooka Lodge. So, these are

[41:11] going to be younger people or families

[41:13] and kids and parks and all this is going

[41:15] to come into play. So, a lot of kids.

[41:18] >> Yeah, we we do get a few kids over here,

[41:19] but um there's a lot of stuff that I

[41:22] feel that we've neglected and did just

[41:23] now.

[41:23] >> Are you also going to switch out like

[41:25] the playground stuff? It's kind of

[41:27] nearly impossible to have kids.

[41:29] >> We are probably going to do that a

[41:30] little more sooner than later. I have a

[41:32] little bit of money right now in the

[41:33] park impact funds and I do want to

[41:35] replace all that. That's all homemade

[41:36] stuff and just stuff we have laying

[41:38] around. And uh I think for the money I

[41:40] have I have a personal park at my house

[41:42] and we get commercial grade stuff. So I

[41:45] know and I'm kind of like that's like

[41:46] perfect. My grand

[41:48] >> I've been looking through the catalog

[41:49] that I've got.

[41:52] >> Yeah.

[41:52] No, I agree 100%. It's been on my

[41:54] list. I was kind of waiting till we did

[41:56] this, but it can't wait until all this

[41:58] happened. But I want to do something

[42:00] that we need something better for.

[42:01] Absolutely. Yep.

[42:03] >> Yep. Put it on my list. I think the

[42:05] first thing we're get.

[42:08] >> Yep.

[42:10] >> New tables.

[42:11] >> That's approved right now. You can get I

[42:13] get them steel ones I have in my house.

[42:16] >> But what's out there? We've been

[42:17] repairing for a long time.

[42:18] >> We can That's approved. We We have that

[42:20] in the

[42:20] >> We're going to donate those to the

[42:22] community garden.

[42:32] » So, I probably missed the start of this.

[42:34] Um, I'm so sorry. I just got back from

[42:37] work.

[42:38] >> Are we just like brainstorming right now

[42:40] what we would like to see and not really

[42:43] talking about scalability at this point?

[42:45] >> Kind of sort of. So, what this is

[42:47] leading into is we are creating an

[42:49] impact fee study and they're about I

[42:53] don't know $50,000 to perform. We got a

[42:56] grant and part honestly I'm be honest

[42:58] with you part of the grant is we have to

[43:00] do a public hearing for the grant. So

[43:02] that's part of this is we're doing that.

[43:03] But no, we for me anything that

[43:06] anybody's saying we pretty much kind of

[43:08] thought of because I talked to everybody

[43:09] and I know and we're in motion. So I've

[43:11] been writing everything down. But pretty

[43:13] much everything that people have slowly

[43:15] been bringing up I've had. We're making

[43:17] plans. It's a 10-year plan. So we have

[43:19] to plan out 10 years. So if you're

[43:21] thinking like massive projects when

[43:23] there's, you know, 10,000 residents here

[43:26] someday, we're not going that far. We're

[43:27] trying to do like a 10 year. But we also

[43:29] want to make it happen soon because if

[43:32] we do all this planning and just just

[43:34] say in three years somebody else becomes

[43:37] mayor and couple of these guys don't get

[43:39] reelected, they could come and take this

[43:40] and reerase everything we've done and

[43:42] start over. That's a problem with

[43:44] government. Um so we're into getting it

[43:45] done as quickly as possible. The smaller

[43:47] stuff, but this will be the impact fees

[43:49] set for new residents that come to build

[43:52] like these ro and these development how

[43:54] much they'll be paying to go towards all

[43:55] this and then we'll use that money for

[43:57] the stuff we say. So that's kind of

[43:59] where we're at. Some of this stuff like

[44:00] the walking trail that's depending on

[44:01] BLM, even wilderness, we're looking at

[44:04] some area in wilderness. So, um, we're

[44:06] kind of limited to that. I'm not an

[44:08] imminent domain guy. I just don't

[44:10] believe in it. Um, I won't say we

[44:12] wouldn't ever do that if we absolutely

[44:14] have to for the benefit of the town, but

[44:16] that would be something that would be

[44:18] very critical. I'm not into just

[44:20] imminent domain, so no offense to you,

[44:22] but so we can ride a horse to someone's

[44:23] property.

[44:23] >> Just so you know, we have I'm not doing

[44:25] it. We have never done that.

[44:26] >> I don't like that. So if I have to if I

[44:29] got a road that got has to go through

[44:30] for the benefit of the town. Okay. But

[44:33] >> right just around the corner.

[44:36] We should get an easement through to the

[44:37] other side of the

[44:39] >> There's a a fire hydrant in the

[44:41] backyard, but I just freeze a cooler

[44:43] that's not actually in operation.

[44:47] >> I didn't know there was a decoration

[44:50] fire hydrant. But anyway, um so a couple

[44:52] ideas. Um I don't know if it's been

[44:54] brought up yet, but it would be really

[44:56] good if there was a biking walking

[44:58] access to the very Mesa. Has that been

[45:01] brought up yet? Yes, ma'am. Okay,

[45:02] perfect. And then um I know there's a

[45:05] lot of challenges with those shooting

[45:06] range, especially when it comes to noise

[45:08] in this area. What about an archery

[45:11] range? Um which would come with no

[45:13] noise. Um it wouldn't necessarily be as

[45:16] large of a range itself. Um and then

[45:19] could kind of like foster those same

[45:21] skills especially our youth um that we

[45:24] would like for

[45:25] >> both. I actually

[45:30] go over good

[45:31] >> I actually would like to do both. We

[45:33] I've talked about a little bit. We

[45:35] probably have neglected it in this but

[45:36] it is part of the parks and w so we

[45:38] probably need to put that in here. But

[45:39] I'm even we have 35,000 square acres. We

[45:42] should be able to put a shooting range

[45:44] in somewhere here that's not on people's

[45:47] private property. You just have to be

[45:50] 600 feet. Yeah, we should be able to put

[45:51] something in because we have a big area.

[45:53] So, uh, let me add that to the list.

[45:55] Both and the archery

[45:56] >> and maybe the archery range is more

[45:58] appropriate for like this area.

[46:00] >> Yeah. Yeah. Something here. And then

[46:02] shooting range be somewhere else. Yeah.

[46:03] >> Yeah.

[46:04] >> Do something like both that with that

[46:06] archery deal. Do 3D archery deal. All

[46:09] these bow hunters around here. We got

[46:11] plenty of blush giving them their shot

[46:13] they want to

[46:14] >> make a lot of money on. We used to make

[46:18] >> I've never done hunting but yeah that's

[46:20] something we do like you said we can do

[46:21] that here in tied into the park but I do

[46:23] want to look into Steuart's always on

[46:25] me. He's not here tonight but he's

[46:26] always on me about a shooting. We've

[46:28] been talking about it right now. Most

[46:30] people will wind up breaking the wind up

[46:32] on someone's private property and they

[46:33] don't even know they're on private

[46:34] property. I know some people go out to

[46:36] the Stender Pit but it nobody is

[46:38] purposely breaking the law. That's just

[46:40] there's nowhere to go shoes. So,

[46:41] everybody kind of just picks and

[46:42] chooses. So, yeah.

[46:44] >> Well, we used to go to the cinder pit

[46:45] all the time, but that got closed off.

[46:48] All my kids I raised all my kids

[46:52] up and shoot

[46:55] >> it all.

[46:56] >> Oh, that one don't own that anymore.

[46:58] >> No, I know that

[47:01] >> over the thunder hill told me he goes

[47:03] over there and shoot. I've never been

[47:05] over there.

[47:05] >> But that we used to go up there.

[47:09] >> Interesting. Yeah,

[47:10] >> big circle.

[47:13] >> Yeah,

[47:15] >> definitely. I like that idea.

[47:18] >> Good suggestions.

[47:21] >> Anybody else? Any other thoughts or

[47:23] suggestions? They're all great. They're

[47:25] great input and some of these we kind of

[47:28] were already thinking. Some of them are

[47:29] new ideas. We will uh take a look at all

[47:33] of them. I guess what I'm thinking too,

[47:36] does this mean that we have to have the

[47:39] master plan and it might take two to

[47:41] three years before we get that or are

[47:44] there little things that we can do now?

[47:46] >> Well,

[47:47] >> to start,

[47:48] >> it's just like anything else, money. So,

[47:50] as we get So, we make this impact fee

[47:53] and we get five new residents and

[47:55] they're paying, let's just say, $5,000

[47:57] each. Now, I got $25,000 to spend on

[47:59] apartments. um if you get 200 new homes

[48:03] and I got what I can do the math here

[48:05] $100,000 or something to spend on park.

[48:07] So it really just depends on that. I

[48:09] mean we don't get I mean there's grants

[48:11] we'll go after and stuff like that but

[48:13] I'm just giving you

[48:14] >> we could get grants we could maybe not.

[48:16] I don't know but there the main thing

[48:17] will be impact.

[48:19] >> Um I was just going to say as well like

[48:21] a lot of it depends on what happens with

[48:24] BLM. If we apply to BLM they want to put

[48:27] together a plan of what we want to do.

[48:29] we have to do all that first, then we

[48:30] have to apply. Don't we have to wait for

[48:32] back? Maybe they have changes. So, it

[48:34] just it really just depends that it's a

[48:36] timeline, but there's a lot of work that

[48:39] has to go into it before.

[48:40] >> Well, and I understand, but that's we're

[48:42] looking at the big projects and some of

[48:44] the littleer projects like a basketball

[48:47] hoop or those that are smaller or even

[48:50] an archery range.

[48:52] >> Again, we like the land. We don't have

[48:55] enough land to do all of that stuff

[48:57] right now. So, we have to get the land

[48:59] and we have to have fun. So, like I'll

[49:01] tell you right now, the immediate thing

[49:02] you're going to see is like you just

[49:03] said, new picnic table.

[49:05] >> It's about

[49:06] >> probably close to $10,000. About a

[49:08] thousand bucks each one. I just bought

[49:10] about 10 of them. So, about 10,000. Um

[49:12] >> I know where we can get some.

[49:13] >> Yeah, I'm glad those down. And then the

[49:17] new playground. You're going to see a

[49:18] new playground soon. Um it's just

[49:20] because that one is just so bad. And if

[49:22] we have the money for that,

[49:24] >> if we get some headstones out here,

[49:25] maybe we can use the ary.

[49:29] >> I already tried to use the cemetery and

[49:31] impact be attorney said, "Mike,

[49:33] >> I'm just kidding."

[49:34] >> Absolutely not. I told him, "Can I use

[49:36] impact bees on the cemetery? It's part

[49:37] of the park, right? It's part the park

[49:39] goes here. We got the town garden in the

[49:41] cemetery." No, no, can't use it.

[49:43] >> Have to have plans for it. You have to

[49:46] be able to get caring on it. Even if you

[49:49] do a crystal ball court, you know, we

[49:51] have to have a plan. What's the plan?

[49:53] Where's the crystal ball court going to

[49:54] go? Like how's it going to flow with

[49:55] this? Where's the park? And so we have

[49:58] to have a plan and this this is just

[50:02] 1250 get the items what people want so

[50:04] that we can start building that plan and

[50:06] then BLM and say, "Hey, have a trail

[50:08] head here and put a little park in

[50:10] here." And then we can go from there in

[50:13] building that plan.

[50:14] >> Well, let's say the cemetery. It's been

[50:17] sitting dormant for quite a while and

[50:21] then a plan came in to cut and within

[50:25] three months it was done. Not that it's

[50:28] not what it should be. You know, not

[50:32] everything is in place yet, but at least

[50:35] it's starting that people can be buried

[50:38] there. That's what I'm saying. Are there

[50:40] little things like that?

[50:42] >> No, because we don't have no land.

[50:44] >> So,

[50:44] >> we don't have any land.

[50:45] >> We don't have no land. The town this

[50:47] what you see right here is what the town

[50:48] holds pretty much.

[50:49] >> I we that's it. I mean we have easements

[50:51] some easements but you can't easements

[50:53] you can't just that's not art we can't

[50:55] just go build park right

[50:56] >> some easements may allow for that but

[50:57] most do not most of them are specific a

[50:59] water ement a power ement so what's

[51:01] going to happen right now is we're going

[51:02] to take this information

[51:04] >> we work me chief and Michelle are

[51:06] working with our engineers they will put

[51:08] together a plan and they're going to say

[51:11] okay this is how much all this is going

[51:13] to cost okay let's just say $10 million

[51:16] for everything we want to do then

[51:17] they're going to say okay based on your

[51:18] growth projected growth this is how many

[51:20] houses you come in have coming in over

[51:22] the next 10 years. So each one of these

[51:24] houses is going to need to pay X amount

[51:26] in impact fees. So any new house that

[51:28] comes in will pay whether it's 5,000 or

[51:30] 10,000, whatever the number they come up

[51:32] at the law, you have to have them do the

[51:33] study and set the amount. We voted into

[51:35] the council, but they come up with an

[51:37] amount and then they'll pay the impact.

[51:39] And like I said, as the money comes, the

[51:40] only other option is to take out a loan,

[51:42] which I'm not going to do. This town's

[51:44] taking out too many loans. We pay crazy

[51:46] amounts of interest. And the easiest

[51:49] thing for me may I like to when people

[51:50] say, "Oh, this mayor did the gateway and

[51:52] this mayors didn't do nothing. They took

[51:54] out loans and now we and me and my staff

[51:56] are trying to figure out how to pay for

[51:57] it." The trick is to do things without

[51:59] loans. It's very easy for me to take out

[52:01] a $10 million loan right now. Throw all

[52:02] the parks in you guys. Mike's the

[52:03] greatest thing in the world. Woohoo!

[52:04] Look what he did. And then the next

[52:06] mayor will be dealing with trying to pay

[52:07] it off and the town will struggle like

[52:08] we are now. So I don't want to do loans.

[52:11] as we get the money and remember when

[52:13] like a culta they're paying

[52:17] $3.5 million in impact fees. So when you

[52:20] get these developers coming in and these

[52:21] commercial these impact fees come in

[52:24] really quick commercial especially. So

[52:27] you're going to see when it sounds like

[52:29] it's a long time away but but again

[52:32] nobody wants the developments nobody

[52:33] wants to grow. I get that. I don't want

[52:36] it either but some of it's approved and

[52:38] it's coming. So look at the silver

[52:39] lining. You don't have without growth.

[52:41] You can't have nothing. I mean, nothing.

[52:43] We can get along. We can as we've been

[52:45] doing, but I can't chief can't come to

[52:47] me and say, "Hey, I need a new fire

[52:49] truck." And there's 600,000. All right,

[52:50] chief. I I we don't have money. Now, the

[52:52] growth they will they'll put the impact.

[52:55] We'll have that money. So, one of the re

[52:57] another one of the reasons why we're

[52:58] doing this is because part of the grant

[53:00] talking about we also got money to

[53:02] actually do renderings of a park and a

[53:05] trail. And so, with the grant, we can

[53:08] now put together renderings of a park

[53:10] and on a trail most likely in the point

[53:12] area, but we have to decide where we

[53:14] want that park

[53:15] >> and we need to know what kind of things

[53:17] and when we want. So, that's what about

[53:20] building that plan.

[53:22] So once we get the renderings done, then

[53:24] we'll go to BLM and say, "Hey, we want

[53:26] there's our plan. We need this property.

[53:28] Will you donate this property? Could we

[53:30] put a trail here?" Um, there may be some

[53:32] property that we need to purchase. I'm

[53:35] not sure. And then that's step one. And

[53:37] then step two is getting the money and

[53:39] actually start building. So I know that

[53:41] this area is not the best far as but I

[53:45] thought BLM gave us Apple Valley a big

[53:49] chunk of land out pass.

[53:52] >> No sorry

[53:54] >> about

[53:54] >> we have BLM land which chief does not

[53:57] like because he had to go be responsible

[53:58] fighting the fires but we have BLM land

[54:00] in the town of Apple Valley. We don't

[54:02] own BLM does and it depends on what you

[54:05] want to do. If you if I call BLM and say

[54:07] I want your property over there because

[54:09] we're going to sell it to some

[54:10] developers, you're not getting it. If

[54:12] you want to say I need to bring pipeline

[54:13] across your property, there's a chance

[54:15] different things have better chances

[54:16] with BLM. So

[54:18] >> that's kind of what it's

[54:20] >> they gave it to us chunk out there.

[54:22] >> My question may be for So like Cedar

[54:25] Point, we're talking about a park Cedar

[54:26] Point. Have you talked to the residents

[54:28] specifically there and kids?

[54:30] >> Like I live there and I see almost no

[54:32] kids. I put my own playground in for my

[54:34] grandkids and it's like there's a little

[54:35] one with the tiny homes and I know other

[54:37] people have them in their backyard and

[54:38] it's like

[54:38] >> yeah we're not gonna put a huge one.

[54:40] >> It's not going to be a big park and it

[54:42] will be more like a trail access trail

[54:45] head

[54:46] >> um with a small like

[54:50] >> something like that.

[54:51] >> I've just had a few people complain to

[54:52] me saying hey

[54:55] >> we don't have a park over there that's

[54:56] not there you know that kind of deal. I

[54:58] will tell you the little park at the

[54:59] dining home sees a lot of the kids

[55:02] saying you don't see that come over to

[55:04] borrow it.

[55:05] >> The new owner is in really gracious

[55:06] spot. I just don't notice trying not to

[55:09] pay attention.

[55:10] >> Yeah.

[55:10] >> And they're over there. So they are

[55:13] using it there as a side. So, in our

[55:16] perfect world,

[55:17] >> in our perfect world, what we're working

[55:19] on now is we just kind of started

[55:20] working on we would like to get some BLM

[55:22] land donated right there where the fire

[55:23] station is on Canyon and put in a small

[55:26] parks, maybe a small gazebo, bathrooms,

[55:28] a picnic table, a little bit of

[55:30] playground, just something small for

[55:31] some kids. And then from there, have

[55:33] some parking with some trail heads that

[55:35] will lead out this way up into the other

[55:37] BLM land and around and stuff like that.

[55:40] That's what we're thinking with the with

[55:42] the Cedar Point Park that

[55:45] stuff there. You know, a lot of offro

[55:47] side by side. A lot of people fly down

[55:50] that flying curves and all. So, I know

[55:53] how you corporate hiking. I've actually

[55:54] eyeballed it looking at maybe some

[55:56] single track stuff for mountain biking

[55:57] up in there and it's it's doable, but

[56:01] you really watch multi access type of

[56:05] thing

[56:05] >> once you get on the road. No.

[56:08] >> Yeah.

[56:10] >> Okay. I think we've got what we need.

[56:12] you guys.

[56:14] Good. Good.

[56:16] >> Okay. We don't have no action to take on

[56:17] this. We're going to close it out.

[56:19] Right.

[56:20] >> Well, I'm gonna I'm going to close out

[56:21] the discussion and action for item

[56:23] number five, parks and recreation survey

[56:25] results. If that's the only reason you

[56:26] came, you're welcome to leave. We're

[56:28] going to roll into our regular boring

[56:30] meetings. If you guys want to hear that,

[56:31] that's fine. We're going to roll into

[56:33] item number six.

[56:35] Discussion and action for ordinance

[56:36] O-2026-15.

[56:38] Zone change from open phase transition

[56:40] OST to agricultural 20 acres zone act 20

[56:44] for parcel AV-1361-B

[56:46] A-1361-C

[56:48] planning commission recommend approval

[56:50] on June 10, 2026. Let me tell you about

[56:52] this. This is a gentleman named Rick

[56:54] Trimmer and he is owns 40 acres and kind

[56:59] of in the process of buying 20 more

[57:00] right there. And what he is trying to do

[57:04] is very something similar to what I've

[57:06] done is his ultimate goal. He wants to

[57:08] divide this 60 acres into three 20 acre

[57:11] a lots. He wants to build one home on

[57:14] each one. He's going to live in one and

[57:16] he wants to lease the other two as a

[57:18] short-term rental for now and eventually

[57:20] that become family property and have his

[57:23] family live there. He also owns the

[57:25] house up on the hill. You probably can

[57:26] all see from Cedar Point. Um he rents

[57:28] that out as a short-term rental. He had

[57:30] a living in there. Um but it didn't pan

[57:32] out that way. So that's what he's

[57:34] looking to do. He's not a developer.

[57:36] He's not trying to break this up and

[57:38] sell it. Um,

[57:39] >> this is that the area up there behind um

[57:43] >> Yes, he is east of Frank in the cop's

[57:46] place. Actually, you go through where

[57:47] the mill over east of the million gallon

[57:49] tank even out there.

[57:51] >> So, he's really away from everybody. Uh,

[57:53] he just wants to take he's going to be

[57:54] on a private well, not on our water. He

[57:56] just wants to break his 60 acres up to

[57:59] into three 20 acre parcels and then he's

[58:01] going to come in for conditional use

[58:02] permit for the extra short-term rental.

[58:05] That'll be a whole separate issue, but

[58:06] this is all he's asking right now.

[58:08] >> He's just se separating.

[58:10] >> Yep. Yep. Well, no, he wants the zone

[58:13] change. Yeah, he the

[58:15] >> planning commission approved his lot

[58:17] split and they recommended approval for

[58:20] the zone change. They they do the lot

[58:21] splits. We just have to approve the zone

[58:23] change.

[58:25] I don't see any problem with it all.

[58:26] Super good people

[58:28] >> just trying to, you know, breaken it up.

[58:30] Like I said, it's actually zoned RE5,

[58:32] too. So we could have what is that 12

[58:36] 160 divided by five whatever that comes

[58:38] to 10 12

[58:39] >> houses whatever that right so this will

[58:42] just be 30 20 lot so that that's good

[58:44] for the grower

[58:46] >> I make a motion we approve ordinance

[58:48] 0-2026-15

[58:52] zone change from focal space transition

[58:54] to agricultural 20 acre zone AG20 for

[58:59] parcel AB-1361-

[59:03] B A-1361-

[59:06] C

[59:08] on

[59:10] >> Rich you second.

[59:12] >> Yeah.

[59:12] >> Okay. Rich second. Roll call vote.

[59:14] >> Scott Taylor I.

[59:16] >> Mike I still have I

[59:19] >> motion carried.

[59:21] >> Huh?

[59:22] >> Rich had a second. Yep. Okay. We're

[59:25] going to item number seven. Open

[59:26] discussion and action for ordinance

[59:28] O-2026-16

[59:30] zone change from open space transition

[59:32] to agricultural 5 acres zone a 5 for

[59:35] parcel AV-1378-G.

[59:38] This gentleman's name is Jason Curtis.

[59:40] He lives right near this property is

[59:43] right near Chief's house over there

[59:45] south of the 59. He has 20 acres. He

[59:48] wants to divide it up into five acre

[59:50] parcels. Um he's not sure he doesn't

[59:52] plan on splitting it right now. He might eventually but he want to have

[59:57] that option. So right now he's just

[59:58] asking us for the zone change if he

[1:00:00] comes back our planning commission for a

[1:00:02] lot of them in the future. What I did is

[1:00:05] I spoke to chief because chief lives

[1:00:06] right there and both properties and

[1:00:08] chief's kind of like anybody else would

[1:00:10] be. Well no I would rather not anybody

[1:00:11] be there but it's his property and it

[1:00:14] fits with everything and five acre lots

[1:00:16] are fine. That's what everybody's on for

[1:00:18] him there. So he was okay with it.

[1:00:20] >> So he just wants to go from OST to 5

[1:00:22] acre five.

[1:00:25] So the a potential to have four homes

[1:00:28] right there, right? Or four lots.

[1:00:31] >> Motion we approve ordinance 0-2026-16

[1:00:36] zone change space transition zone to

[1:00:39] agricultural 5acre zones AG5 for parcel

[1:00:43] AD-1370-D

[1:00:46] planning commission recommend approval

[1:00:48] on June 10th.

[1:00:51] Second

[1:00:53] roll call vote

[1:00:54] >> Taylor I s I

[1:00:57] >> Richard Palmer I motion carries on item

[1:01:00] number eight ordinance O-2026-14

[1:01:03] repeal and replace title 14.13

[1:01:06] cemeteries I'm not going to redraw this

[1:01:08] I hope you guys have this is too much

[1:01:09] basically this exactly what we're doing

[1:01:11] we just took all the ordinances they

[1:01:13] wrote and got rid of them because not

[1:01:15] saying they did a bad job they did a

[1:01:17] great job but there are lots and lots of

[1:01:20] rules s and it's made for somebody with

[1:01:22] a big town and has a huge cemetery. So

[1:01:25] Bradley worked with the guy that does

[1:01:27] the hurricane uh cemetery and gave us

[1:01:30] some advice and Bradley came up with

[1:01:32] ordinances and that's what this is. So

[1:01:35] this is just simplifying if you read

[1:01:36] through them it's really just

[1:01:37] simplifying things so we don't just we

[1:01:40] have to get started and that's all.

[1:01:43] >> Okay.

[1:01:45] >> Oh yeah.

[1:01:45] >> Yeah. I make a motion we approve

[1:01:47] ordinance 0-2026-14

[1:01:51] repeal and replace title 14.13

[1:01:55] for the cemeteries.

[1:01:59] » Roll call vote.

[1:02:01] >> Mike.

[1:02:05] Motion carries. Now on to the heart.

[1:02:08] This is item number nine resolution R-26

[1:02:12] R-2026-20

[1:02:14] water rate increase. amend title

[1:02:16] 0.1.20.010

[1:02:19] residential appendix A schedule water

[1:02:21] rates fees and charging. Let me explain

[1:02:24] this a little bit. So what happened if

[1:02:27] you guys remember we did a water rate

[1:02:30] increase across the board everybody and

[1:02:31] we did tiers. Well tiers were pretty

[1:02:35] expensive and I had a few residents come

[1:02:37] to me and say listen we're going to have

[1:02:39] to let our grass die and our trees die

[1:02:41] and we just can't afford to water. And I

[1:02:42] said, "No, I feel for you on that and I

[1:02:45] feel really bad and I don't want to see

[1:02:46] Apple Valley turn brown. So, let me see

[1:02:47] what I can do." And I crunched the

[1:02:48] numbers and I brought you guys and said,

[1:02:49] "Hey, I think we can reduce these

[1:02:51] rates." And I was correct. We we did.

[1:02:54] >> We corrected them.

[1:02:55] Well, this year, this

[1:02:56] is something what people have to

[1:02:58] understand. Uh when you ask people to

[1:03:00] conserve water, you lose less water. The

[1:03:02] water division is based upon that

[1:03:04] income. So, if we cut our water usage in

[1:03:07] half, the budget in the water department

[1:03:09] goes in half. So, we had a little

[1:03:11] shortfall. So, this will kind of make

[1:03:13] that up. Um, it's going to affect about

[1:03:15] 30 to 35 residents in Apple Valley. It's

[1:03:18] just the top tier users. The average

[1:03:21] house uses 35,000 gallons or less. We

[1:03:24] didn't even kick this up until a little

[1:03:25] bit above that. So, it shouldn't affect,

[1:03:27] like I said, 30 to 35 people, just the

[1:03:29] very high-end users. I don't like it

[1:03:32] because we try to encourage Apple Valley

[1:03:34] to be rural and farmish. And here we are

[1:03:36] at water. Now, what the what really has

[1:03:40] ate this on too is we had a resident

[1:03:45] developer call the state auditor and

[1:03:47] file a complaint

[1:03:49] uh against the town and we had to go

[1:03:52] through a full state audit and we did it

[1:03:55] and we came out fine. Couple

[1:03:57] recommendations, nothing big, but some

[1:04:00] of that was how we structured our water

[1:04:02] rings. Well, I get a call from some

[1:04:04] state people and they're concerned

[1:04:06] because we have cheap tiered water and

[1:04:10] every other town around here is pushing

[1:04:13] water conservation and they have

[1:04:14] extremely high-end top tier water to

[1:04:16] discourage lots of water use. So, the we

[1:04:19] were not not being told to do anything,

[1:04:21] but we're recommended that we get the

[1:04:23] tears up where they should be. So, I'm

[1:04:25] proposing that we don't necessarily.

[1:04:30] It's just not working out. And

[1:04:31] >> we're not raising what the state said.

[1:04:33] We're just putting back,

[1:04:35] >> you know, putting back what we

[1:04:36] originally did. We tried. I tried to

[1:04:37] appease the residents and I mean it

[1:04:39] looked good on paper and it's just not

[1:04:41] working out. So, um, this is puts us I

[1:04:44] did tons of work. Let me read this

[1:04:46] memorandum to you guys. Haven't read it

[1:04:48] all over. Basically, the town I'm read

[1:04:50] this because I want to get it on record,

[1:04:51] but um as the town of Apple Valley

[1:04:53] transitions operation of the public

[1:04:55] water system from a big plains water

[1:04:56] special service district to newly

[1:04:58] established Apple Valley Water

[1:04:59] Department, town officials have

[1:05:00] undertaken a review of the systems

[1:05:02] operational needs, maintenance

[1:05:03] requirements, and financial

[1:05:04] sustainability. During this transition

[1:05:06] process, staff identified operational

[1:05:08] challenges and costs associated with the

[1:05:09] condition, I'm sorry, with the continued

[1:05:11] delivery of reliable water service.

[1:05:13] These include water system losses,

[1:05:15] ongoing maintenance requirements,

[1:05:16] infrastructure replacement needs,

[1:05:18] regulatory compliance obligations,

[1:05:19] emergency repair preparedness, debt, and

[1:05:22] the establishment of the appropriate

[1:05:24] operation of capital reserves. Based on

[1:05:26] information provided by the staff and

[1:05:27] system operator, the current restructure

[1:05:29] may not generate sufficient revenue to

[1:05:31] adequately support the long-term

[1:05:32] operation, maintenance, repair, and

[1:05:34] replacement of water system

[1:05:35] infrastructure while maintaining

[1:05:36] appropriate reserves for unexpected

[1:05:38] expenditures and future capital

[1:05:39] improvements. If you remember what this

[1:05:41] kind of what I said back in October of

[1:05:43] 2025 as a town council, we voted to

[1:05:44] prove an upper tier level water

[1:05:46] reduction reduction. We did this in

[1:05:48] hopes of being able to cut some costs,

[1:05:49] reduce expensive in the budget, and have

[1:05:50] enough water system revenue to cover the

[1:05:52] early expenditures. On paper, it looked

[1:05:54] like it might work. We thought it was

[1:05:55] worth a try. However, after fiscal year

[1:05:57] 2026 coming to an end, we have seen that

[1:05:59] the numbers didn't go as planned and we

[1:06:01] will need additional revenue to cover

[1:06:02] water system. I wanted to share some

[1:06:05] quantitive quantitative analysis I used

[1:06:07] to develop the proposed rate increase.

[1:06:09] The annual water system revenue for 2025

[1:06:11] fiscal year was $725,000.

[1:06:13] For 2026 fiscal year, we are looking at

[1:06:15] about 650,000. So, we lost 75,000. We've

[1:06:19] been able to lower our annual operating

[1:06:20] expenses down to about 700,000. That

[1:06:22] leaves us short about 50k to cover our

[1:06:24] annual operating expenses. Increasing

[1:06:26] these upper tier levels of water usage

[1:06:27] back to where they originally were last

[1:06:29] year before we lowered the top tier

[1:06:30] rates would affect approximately 40

[1:06:32] customers over approximately 450 water

[1:06:34] connections and generated an estimated

[1:06:36] additional annual amount of $40,000.

[1:06:38] Some other information that was utilized

[1:06:40] in my quantitive analysis is the Apple

[1:06:41] Valley water system has a debt of about

[1:06:43] $4 million. Tiered rates are utilized to

[1:06:46] promote water conservation. I also

[1:06:48] compared the tiered rates to other

[1:06:49] nearby cities, count St. George, Leeds,

[1:06:51] Hurricane, Ill, Colorado City, and even

[1:06:54] with the increase, our tiered rates will

[1:06:56] be lower than our than other neighboring

[1:06:59] city/counts. The rate increase also puts

[1:07:01] us in line with the recommended rates

[1:07:03] addressed in the culinary water master

[1:07:04] plan performed by Sunrising Engineering

[1:07:07] in July of 2023 as well as

[1:07:09] recommendations by Utah State Division

[1:07:10] of Drinking Water. The proposed water

[1:07:12] rate adjustment is intended to better

[1:07:13] align water system revenues with the

[1:07:15] actual cost of providing service,

[1:07:17] preserve the financial stability of the

[1:07:19] utility, and ensure the town's ability

[1:07:20] to maintain a safe and reliable water

[1:07:22] supply for current and future customers.

[1:07:24] The town council is asked to consider

[1:07:26] the pro proposed rate adjustment in

[1:07:28] light of these operational and financial

[1:07:30] considerations and determine whether the

[1:07:32] revised rate structure is in the best

[1:07:33] interest of the water system and

[1:07:39] letting you guys know that we've done

[1:07:40] the homework and this is what I use this

[1:07:45] never something I like to do. I'm sure

[1:07:47] nobody likes to do it. I just rather

[1:07:48] give everybody free water.

[1:07:51] Unfortunately, we can't do that.

[1:07:54] Scott, we approve of resolution R-2026-2

[1:07:59] water rate increase title 01-20.010

[1:08:05] resend

[1:08:07] a schedule of water rates fees and

[1:08:09] charges second.

[1:08:11] >> Roll call vote. Sir I

[1:08:13] >> Mike I

[1:08:17] » motion carries on item number 10

[1:08:20] resolution R-2026-18

[1:08:22] amending the town fee schedule relating

[1:08:24] to water rate solid waste fees boundary

[1:08:26] adjustment master development agreements

[1:08:28] water agreements and other agreements

[1:08:30] requiring legal engineering or

[1:08:31] administrative review and establishing

[1:08:33] after the fact so let me run these down

[1:08:35] for you um trash increases start there

[1:08:38] we are we just did the budget and we

[1:08:40] were coming up I don't we're 67 8,000

[1:08:42] short on our trash. We don't make money.

[1:08:44] We just break even with what we pay to

[1:08:46] the county and we are coming up short.

[1:08:48] So, I am proposing a $1.50 a month

[1:08:51] increase to all residents and that will

[1:08:54] make up that difference and we will be

[1:08:56] breaking even again. Um, in the past

[1:08:59] year or two, we've just eaten it, but

[1:09:01] the budget got a little tight this year.

[1:09:02] So,

[1:09:03] >> just so the community understands too,

[1:09:05] we don't have any real control over

[1:09:07] that. That's done by

[1:09:08] >> Washington County special service desk.

[1:09:12] We served on that for quite a while,

[1:09:14] too. And they've really got their hands

[1:09:15] full.

[1:09:17] >> You can just pretty much count on every

[1:09:19] year. It's going it's going to go up a

[1:09:21] few minutes.

[1:09:22] >> We don't make money. We don't charge a

[1:09:24] handling fee for Michelle and Jenna's

[1:09:26] time. Nothing like that. Exactly what

[1:09:28] they charge us.

[1:09:29] >> We just missed a couple of rate

[1:09:30] increases or something somehow, but some

[1:09:35] we just got behind. We digest it

[1:09:37] >> and we don't have the ability to look

[1:09:40] for a different

[1:09:44] part of the county.

[1:09:48] » Yeah, that's why I was saying there's no look for anything else to try

[1:09:53] and get a better rate because of the

[1:09:54] county and the way that the special

[1:09:56] district.

[1:09:59] >> Yeah.

[1:10:00] >> So, we're going to go from 1466 a month

[1:10:02] to 1616 a month. It's $150. That's one

[1:10:05] thing. The next thing is we are

[1:10:08] proposing that we double the after the

[1:10:10] fact fees. Right now we there's a couple

[1:10:13] permits that we say, "Oh, you're going

[1:10:14] to have to pay extra." This is for

[1:10:16] people who build a house without a

[1:10:17] permit or that doesn't happen often.

[1:10:20] Mainly probably like business licenses.

[1:10:22] We get people that don't get business

[1:10:23] license and then they get caught.

[1:10:25] There's no repercussion. Why would you?

[1:10:27] There's nothing to say, "Oh, I I should

[1:10:28] have done this, but now I'm in trouble."

[1:10:30] We just let them pay the same amount.

[1:10:32] So, we're looking to double the fees if

[1:10:34] you come in and do it after. So, if you

[1:10:37] uh

[1:10:39] >> lost like the law school, we've had a

[1:10:40] lot of illegal loss, but a lot of them

[1:10:42] lately and

[1:10:43] >> probably more of that than anything

[1:10:44] >> of anything. Yeah.

[1:10:45] >> Even over the past years. Yeah.

[1:10:46] >> And why not? Why not do it? There's no risk.

[1:10:49] >> They just go to the county and do it.

[1:10:50] >> They just go to the county, do it. We

[1:10:52] write them up and then okay, I got

[1:10:53] caught. I come in and pay the regular

[1:10:55] fee. Well, now there's going to be

[1:10:56] double the fee. So, you need to do what

[1:10:57] you're supposed to do.

[1:10:58] >> What is the average fee for that?

[1:11:00] >> 800 bucks. So then it'll go to 60.

[1:11:02] >> If you get caught without one, you go to

[1:11:03] 69. Um, so that's one of the fees. And

[1:11:06] the biggest one was, so we're getting

[1:11:08] into more development and we are writing

[1:11:11] MDAs and stuff like that. This is

[1:11:14] costing us huge amounts of money. Like I

[1:11:17] will give you, we got Travis to pay for

[1:11:19] his luckily. Um, but that one was close

[1:11:23] to $50,000. I mean, when you take my

[1:11:26] time, the girls time, Bradley's time,

[1:11:28] the attorneys, the engineers, these are

[1:11:30] very expensive MDAs and water agreements

[1:11:33] both, but it's not fair that the

[1:11:34] residents pay for that. So, what we are

[1:11:36] doing is we're putting in a fee

[1:11:38] structure there that we're not making

[1:11:40] money, but you're going to pay for what

[1:11:41] it cost the town to write up your NPA or

[1:11:44] your water drink. we can't I can't pay

[1:11:46] the attorney, you know. I think we

[1:11:50] can't that cost.

[1:11:51] >> This is too much to and then and then MBAs fall apart. People lose

[1:11:55] property and stuff and so you do it with

[1:11:57] the hopes of development and you're

[1:11:58] going to get that back. But this is a

[1:12:00] good instance of where there's no

[1:12:01] development now. So we can't take that

[1:12:03] kind of financial hit. So we

[1:12:05] >> good job getting paid back.

[1:12:06] >> Yeah. So, I've added that in there. And

[1:12:12] well, we added a new we call a b a

[1:12:15] boundary adjustment fee, which is

[1:12:16] basically a lot line adjustment. We've

[1:12:19] kind of just done it that way, but I

[1:12:20] wanted the official wording because a

[1:12:22] lot split is when you split, too. But

[1:12:24] you can also move a lot line and we need

[1:12:27] to be involved in that and charge a fee

[1:12:28] because if someone adjusted the lot line

[1:12:30] on their property sometimes it makes um

[1:12:36] a parcel what am

[1:12:38] >> landlock thank you are too small like

[1:12:40] they could just go move their lot and

[1:12:42] now they've made a lot that's not to our

[1:12:43] ordinance now you're in violation or you

[1:12:45] can we've had some we have some

[1:12:46] properties are landlocked so we have to

[1:12:48] be involved in this to make sure we're

[1:12:49] going to improve any lots so that's the

[1:12:52] other fee that would add on there so

[1:12:53] That covers all of these that were added

[1:12:56] on. I know it sounds like a lot, but

[1:12:57] those are all

[1:13:00] I know it's a lot.

[1:13:05] We approve resolution R-2026-18

[1:13:11] scheduling schedule agency water solid

[1:13:14] waste boundary adjustments master

[1:13:17] development agreements watery

[1:13:21] legal engineering or administrative

[1:13:24] review

[1:13:25] after the fact

[1:13:28] that we'll call

[1:13:29] >> vote

[1:13:32] Any fif

[1:13:34] I

[1:13:35] >> motion carries on to item number 11

[1:13:38] resolution R-2026-9

[1:13:41] adopt fiscal year FY2027 tenative budget

[1:13:44] and establish June 30th at 6 pm for

[1:13:47] public hearing date where the public can

[1:13:49] comment on the tentative budget. So this

[1:13:52] is just you guys saying this is a

[1:13:54] tenative budget looks okay. We can make

[1:13:56] changes. The town's going to come.

[1:13:57] You're not actually voting it in yet.

[1:14:00] We're just going to say the tenative

[1:14:01] budget looks good and then we're going

[1:14:03] to put it to public notice. They have to

[1:14:04] have their 10 days to look at it, come

[1:14:06] in and comment on the 30th and then

[1:14:07] we'll vote it in. If you guys have any

[1:14:10] questions, it was much

[1:14:11] >> Thank you for the $200,000 raise in the

[1:14:14] public.

[1:14:17] » Keep dreaming. This was this was a this

[1:14:20] was a tight year. Had a lot of

[1:14:22] >> We It's because last year was a really

[1:14:24] this year's gonna be tight, but last

[1:14:25] year was really tight. We have a lot of

[1:14:27] equipment stuff that we spent money on.

[1:14:29] So, we cut back the budget. We're not

[1:14:31] putting your

[1:14:33] >> Yeah, we're putting still putting some

[1:14:34] money in the savings account and and I'm

[1:14:36] very frugal with that. I would rather be

[1:14:39] air on the side of having more money

[1:14:40] than not having enough. So

[1:14:42] >> I make a motion to approve resolution

[1:14:44] 4-20-19

[1:14:48] fiscal year 2027 end of the budget

[1:14:52] establish and established June 30th at 6

[1:14:55] p.m. for public hearing for the public

[1:14:58] comments.

[1:15:02] Roll call vote.

[1:15:05] >> Frank I

[1:15:10] motion carries on item number 12

[1:15:12] resolution R-202-22

[1:15:15] approving an intergovernmental

[1:15:16] cooperative agreement by and between the

[1:15:19] town of Colorado City, Arizona and the

[1:15:21] town of Aqua Valley, Utah for police

[1:15:22] services. I'm also going to kind of

[1:15:25] include my my presentation to you guys,

[1:15:27] item number 13, because it's the part

[1:15:29] with to do with the courts. So, I'm

[1:15:30] gonna kind of give you guys the whole

[1:15:31] rundown and give you some information so

[1:15:34] it doesn't seem

[1:15:35] >> I ran through this thing three times and

[1:15:37] then I went in and had a meeting with

[1:15:39] the mayor on top of it.

[1:15:40] >> So, here's what's going on.

[1:15:42] >> Okay.

[1:15:42] >> So, a while back, chief came to me and

[1:15:44] said, "We have a problem with with

[1:15:46] dispatch. The way our dispatch is

[1:15:48] working is basically we're calls are

[1:15:50] going in. One call goes over to Hillell

[1:15:53] to that dispatch and then Hurricane and

[1:15:55] the sheriff on a different dispatch and

[1:15:57] there was an instance I think it

[1:15:59] happened a couple times where he called

[1:16:00] in that everything was okay and code for

[1:16:03] whatever they use and yet the sheriff

[1:16:05] come up here flying up here at 100 miles

[1:16:07] an hour site he didn't get the

[1:16:08] information

[1:16:10] lights and sirens gets up here is upset

[1:16:12] with chief going hey you know what I

[1:16:14] came up here he called it in but they

[1:16:16] have to I understand they have to

[1:16:17] physically take their phone and call the

[1:16:19] dispatch system they're not like that.

[1:16:21] So she comes to me and said, "We got to

[1:16:22] fix this.

[1:16:23] >> It's been a mess for a long time."

[1:16:25] >> So one of the proposals

[1:16:26] >> kudos on getting the right direction.

[1:16:28] >> So one of the proposals and him talk was

[1:16:30] to uh take on the the police department

[1:16:34] from Hill. That that's what started

[1:16:35] this. And then I went back and forth and

[1:16:37] we negotiated. And as I dug into this,

[1:16:40] let me tell you guys some facts. Right

[1:16:41] now we pay $20,000 a year to the

[1:16:43] sheriff's department for extra patrols.

[1:16:47] Um, they hit me with a $15,000 increase

[1:16:50] and I haven't resigned the contract.

[1:16:52] We've just been kind of just still

[1:16:53] paying it and avoiding it. So really,

[1:16:55] they want 15,000 more. So they want to

[1:16:56] go up to 35,000 for extra patrol. We are

[1:17:00] not getting hardly any money from the

[1:17:02] sheriff when they write tickets. So

[1:17:05] basically, um, there's a little box

[1:17:07] where they write their tickets, but they

[1:17:08] check Apple Valley. The officer does not

[1:17:11] check that. We don't get credit for the

[1:17:12] tickets. If they check the county, they

[1:17:15] get the money. So, what do you think

[1:17:16] officers can do? I mean, the chief I

[1:17:19] talked to the sheriff and he was we're

[1:17:21] going to look into it and stuff that

[1:17:22] he's like, he said, I can't control. I'm

[1:17:23] not sitting in a car with him when they

[1:17:25] check the box. So, we also did a few

[1:17:27] little test runs of some citations that

[1:17:29] we know were marked Apple Valley and

[1:17:30] somehow when they get into the court

[1:17:31] systems, we're not getting credit for

[1:17:33] these tickets. So, we have like four or

[1:17:36] $5,000 a year income coming in from our

[1:17:38] papers. doesn't even cover the court

[1:17:41] cost, the town prosecutor and the town

[1:17:43] public or the public defender. So what

[1:17:46] they do?

[1:17:47] >> Yeah. So what they do is when we write a

[1:17:49] ticket, and I don't remember the exact

[1:17:50] percentage, I think it's 20. They just

[1:17:51] say, "Okay, you get 20%. The rest goes

[1:17:53] to us." That's to pay for the big nice

[1:17:55] building, they have the very expensive

[1:17:57] judge, the expensive helm, public

[1:17:59] defenders, all this stuff. So what Hildo

[1:18:02] is proposing is they came to me and

[1:18:04] said, I'll start with this. $100,000 a

[1:18:07] year. Well, first it was a million

[1:18:08] dollars saying. So anyways, $100,000 a

[1:18:11] year. We have a dedicated officer out on

[1:18:13] the highway. We're going to write

[1:18:14] tickets and we're going to do it right.

[1:18:16] You're going to get credit. You're going

[1:18:17] to get your Okay. And I've been

[1:18:20] pondering on that. Kind of just scared

[1:18:22] to bring it to you guys. Kind of scared

[1:18:23] to make that kind of a commitment.

[1:18:25] That's a lot of money to

[1:18:26] >> I was freaked out all the rest.

[1:18:28] >> So I went back to Chief Bradley and

[1:18:29] said, you know, I'm just this is a lot

[1:18:31] of money. This is a big commitment. this

[1:18:32] thinking nerve. So, Chief Bradley said,

[1:18:34] "Okay, let's bite off a little something

[1:18:36] smaller. Let's do this. Let's agree to

[1:18:39] respond to all your calls. We average

[1:18:40] seven calls a month. We'll do your seven

[1:18:42] calls a month. So, when you call 911 or

[1:18:44] whatever, they'll they'll come here. Um,

[1:18:46] we'll do all your calls. Your dispatch

[1:18:47] will run through us. It's already

[1:18:48] running through us through fire. We're

[1:18:49] not going to charge you more. That's

[1:18:51] fine. And let's just do part-time patrol

[1:18:54] of the highway. Then, let's do it for

[1:18:55] 30,000 a year." Then you're not out on

[1:18:57] money. 20,000 from the sheriff comes

[1:18:58] over here. You're going to be out

[1:19:00] 10,000. was really not. We were going to

[1:19:01] pay him 35. But he said, "You will I

[1:19:04] promise you I this is I mean I know what

[1:19:06] we make on our diggers. You will make

[1:19:07] that back. It won't cost you anything.

[1:19:09] In fact, you're going to make enough

[1:19:11] money that you're going to come back to

[1:19:12] me in six months and say, "Let's do the

[1:19:14] dedicated option. Let's sign the

[1:19:15] $100,000 year contract." I said, "Well,

[1:19:17] we'll cross that bridge when we come

[1:19:18] to." So, right now, what we're looking

[1:19:20] to do, let me button this up, is we are

[1:19:23] going to take the money from the

[1:19:25] sheriff. We're no longer going to

[1:19:26] contract the sheriff. Now, by law, the

[1:19:27] sheriff still has to service us. Good

[1:19:29] luck. I mean that pretty much why we pay

[1:19:32] the grant just even get them come up

[1:19:33] here. Um so uh it'll be Colorado City

[1:19:37] Hill Valley Police Department and they

[1:19:40] will respond to all our 911 calls. Seven

[1:19:42] of them a month. If we go over they want

[1:19:45] $75 a call. We've never had over seven.

[1:19:47] That's fine. No problem there. Um

[1:19:49] they'll do a part-time control of the

[1:19:50] highway. I'm going to work with Chief

[1:19:52] Bradley on some zero tolerance from

[1:19:54] illegal lane passing, unsafe passing

[1:19:56] speeders. Um, this will just be from

[1:19:58] Apple Valley from where we're at the

[1:19:59] Cinder Pits area where we start all the

[1:20:01] way to to the Hilldale line and they

[1:20:04] will start pulling people over and

[1:20:06] writing tickets. And I know this is a

[1:20:08] big concern of the town. I've been

[1:20:09] getting lots of feedback from the town

[1:20:10] about, you know, okay, you fixed the

[1:20:12] water, you guys have done this, you've

[1:20:13] done this, let's fix the highway. I

[1:20:15] cannot do any DOT does not care about

[1:20:18] me. I'm just mayor of 900 people. I'm

[1:20:21] very small fish. Um, there has been

[1:20:25] three deaths on this highway in three

[1:20:26] years. That does not constitute you do

[1:20:29] saying, "We have this huge problem.

[1:20:31] Let's throw 10 million old dollars over

[1:20:32] there and make more lanes and all this

[1:20:34] stuff." Doesn't constitute that. They

[1:20:36] have far more deaths on other highways.

[1:20:37] That's where the money is going to go.

[1:20:39] They are going to put six and a half

[1:20:41] million dollars onto the highway and

[1:20:42] adding some lanes.

[1:20:44] I'm not I haven't done the studies and

[1:20:46] all that. I don't think it's going to

[1:20:48] help. They're going to add a lane from

[1:20:49] Goobury Lodges all the way to Paradise,

[1:20:51] which is where the mailboxes are, where

[1:20:53] the storage facility is. They're going

[1:20:54] to add more lanes. This section here, I

[1:20:56] don't see a passing problem through

[1:20:58] here. And we already have plenty of

[1:20:59] space. So, I don't think it's going to

[1:21:01] help. It seems to be from Gooseberry

[1:21:03] Lodgees that way. Now, we can't patrol

[1:21:05] down into I mean, they can, but we're

[1:21:07] not going to credit anything on the

[1:21:08] other side, so we're not going to pay

[1:21:09] for that. So, I think this is an answer

[1:21:12] to the public's cry for us, you know, to

[1:21:14] try to do something. this is what we can

[1:21:17] do. We can't get you out dot to do

[1:21:19] anything, but this is something we can

[1:21:21] do

[1:21:22] >> and it's cost effective.

[1:21:23] and and for now,

[1:21:24] like I said, maybe he's writing in six

[1:21:26] months, I'll be bringing you guys a

[1:21:26] proposal for a dedicated officer,

[1:21:28] $100,000 a year, and we'll be able to do

[1:21:30] it with the with the income. But right

[1:21:32] now, I just wanted to chew off a small

[1:21:33] piece. I was nervous, but I I just don't

[1:21:35] see any negatives to this. Um even if it

[1:21:38] was cost an extra 30,000 here, I'm

[1:21:40] willing to pay. I mean, how do we put a

[1:21:42] price on the safety of our residents? I

[1:21:45] mean there all of our kids, grandkids,

[1:21:48] spouses, they all drive this highway.

[1:21:49] They all I guarantee each one of you and

[1:21:51] all your spouses have a story if not

[1:21:54] several stories of near collisions, near

[1:21:57] death because we I've hear them from

[1:21:58] every. So, um that's what I feel we

[1:22:01] could do with step up patrols. I had

[1:22:02] some people say, "Oh, it don't matter.

[1:22:03] They're going to do it anyways." So, you

[1:22:05] don't believe in law enforcement at all

[1:22:06] because your theory is by have law

[1:22:08] enforcement anyways because they're

[1:22:09] going to do what they want. I do believe

[1:22:10] some people are going to say, "Too bad,

[1:22:12] so sad." But when you have a zero

[1:22:13] tolerance and you're writing tickets,

[1:22:15] after you get several tickets and you

[1:22:16] don't pay them and we start arresting

[1:22:18] people and impounding their vehicles, I

[1:22:21] think they're going to start listening.

[1:22:22] They're going to be in jail. It's that

[1:22:23] simple. And and I'm not going to be

[1:22:25] secret about it and I told the chief

[1:22:26] this I don't I you know these people

[1:22:28] I've followed a few vehicles that have

[1:22:30] cut me off and I'm not finally and I've

[1:22:32] seen where they go and not all of them

[1:22:34] but we we can't have that and we have to

[1:22:36] I feel like we have to do something and

[1:22:39] I think we need to put in the zero

[1:22:40] tolerance and we will and the other good

[1:22:42] thing is this like I I can I can

[1:22:44] literally call Chief Bradley right now.

[1:22:45] He'll answer my call. when you're

[1:22:47] calling the sheriff who's in charge of I

[1:22:49] don't even know where they got 800

[1:22:51] officers or whatever, you know, take my

[1:22:54] call or who am I, but you rather take my

[1:22:56] call. So, I think it gives us more

[1:22:58] control. We can, you know, make sure

[1:22:59] that we have a zero tolerance and we're

[1:23:01] not letting I told them everybody gets a

[1:23:03] ticket when they break the law. Myself

[1:23:04] included. I break the law, you guys

[1:23:05] better write me a ticket because if they

[1:23:06] don't, I'm going to be upset. I'm going

[1:23:08] to call you say your guys let me off.

[1:23:10] That's not right. So, I don't you know,

[1:23:12] we'll tell our residents, don't speed,

[1:23:14] don't illegal passing because you're

[1:23:15] going to get a ticket. So saying I'm on

[1:23:17] the town council is not going to do

[1:23:18] these.

[1:23:18] >> No sir. No.

[1:23:21] >> And I should clarify one more thing.

[1:23:23] These guys are not coming in here to

[1:23:25] patrol and write tickets or nothing like

[1:23:27] that. They're not when I say patrol hits

[1:23:29] the highway. They will be responding to

[1:23:31] our calls. If at any point in time we

[1:23:33] feel we need patrols in here. We will.

[1:23:36] The sheriff does some minor patrols in

[1:23:37] here, but we get the reports. I'm sure

[1:23:39] you guys see them. There's never been an

[1:23:40] instance where, oh well, I was

[1:23:41] patrolling and I pulled over this person

[1:23:43] and I did this. There's there's just a

[1:23:44] crime here. And I know it's a deterrent

[1:23:46] to have them in here, but when I do get

[1:23:48] a complaint that some elderly person

[1:23:50] calls me and says, "Oh, there's kids

[1:23:52] riding wheelies down the street, and

[1:23:54] there's no point in calling anybody

[1:23:55] because by the time they get here,

[1:23:56] they're long gone." I will usually just

[1:23:58] go out, grab the kids, and talk to them

[1:23:59] and say, "Hey, listen. I don't call the

[1:24:00] cops.

[1:24:01] >> Chill.

[1:24:01] >> Start rides. Go ride wheelies out there.

[1:24:03] Do whatever you want. I won't call the

[1:24:05] cops. You can ride through town. Just

[1:24:06] slow down. No wheelies. Drive through

[1:24:08] town. No problem. Just ourselves." So,

[1:24:11] >> I just tell you've been warned.

[1:24:12] >> Yeah. I I just don't tearing up my part.

[1:24:14] >> I know it's a big commitment, but I just

[1:24:16] it's a big change. I shouldn't say

[1:24:17] commit. It's a big change, but I I don't

[1:24:19] see any negatives in it.

[1:24:20] >> I just think we're we can build off of

[1:24:22] this and see what happens.

[1:24:23] >> You guys haven't been great.

[1:24:26] >> I really well for us.

[1:24:28] >> I really do.

[1:24:29] >> I read all and I agree. But I mean, we

[1:24:32] can grow from it.

[1:24:35] >> I'm just tired of these people on the

[1:24:37] highway endangering lives. Both the last

[1:24:39] two accidents that had deaths in them

[1:24:41] were because of an illegal past.

[1:24:42] >> Yeah.

[1:24:43] >> So,

[1:24:44] >> they're both I make a motion we approve

[1:24:47] resolution,

[1:24:49] >> excuse me, resolution R-20226-22

[1:24:53] approving and inter governmental

[1:24:56] cooperative agreement by and between the

[1:24:59] town of Colorado City, Arizona and the

[1:25:01] town of Apple Valley, Utah services.

[1:25:05] >> Okay, we'll call vote.

[1:25:07] I

[1:25:08] >> I

[1:25:10] >> Mr. Palmer I motion carries.

[1:25:12] >> Thank you for all your hard work with

[1:25:13] us.

[1:25:14] >> No problem. And the second one is the

[1:25:16] court. It comes with let me explain that

[1:25:17] really quick. Uh before like I said they

[1:25:19] were just giving us 20%. What'll work

[1:25:21] now is what's way it's working now is

[1:25:23] this is going to help Philadelphia.

[1:25:24] They're having a hard time keeping their

[1:25:25] courts going. Um they have their people

[1:25:28] have a lot of free times that they could

[1:25:29] take this on. They wouldn't have to hire

[1:25:31] anybody but we will now be paying in to

[1:25:32] help them out. Um we're not paying for

[1:25:34] the building. And she's like, "We got

[1:25:35] the building. We're not going to do like

[1:25:37] they didn't charge you. Their judges

[1:25:38] make less. The public defender makes

[1:25:40] less. They all make less. So what we'll

[1:25:41] do is we're going to she's going to

[1:25:43] they're going to come up with a figure

[1:25:44] that says, "Okay, if we have a thousand

[1:25:47] cases a year and the judge makes this

[1:25:49] much, divide that over the cases, this

[1:25:51] is how much each case costs and for

[1:25:53] every case we have, we will out of our uh picking money, they will take

[1:25:58] that out of that. They'll take out the

[1:26:00] public defender and all that stuff. And

[1:26:01] then we'll just deal whatever's left

[1:26:03] over. There's no just we're taking 20%

[1:26:04] out that's what you get. So when we

[1:26:06] crunch when I ch crunch numbers with

[1:26:09] chief it's a lot more money and we can

[1:26:11] be assured that chief his people are

[1:26:14] correct in the box and it's going to

[1:26:15] this court and nobody's I'm going to say

[1:26:17] screwing us screwing out of screwing us

[1:26:19] out of our ticket money. So

[1:26:22] >> they go somewhere else.

[1:26:23] >> Yeah.

[1:26:24] >> Yep.

[1:26:25] We approve resolution R26-2

[1:26:28] approving an interlocal property

[1:26:30] preparation agreement for the justice

[1:26:32] court services.

[1:26:35] >> I'll second

[1:26:40] I

[1:26:40] >> Mr. Palmer I motion carries. Now that

[1:26:44] we've approved it now they will take

[1:26:45] I'll sign this. They'll take it to their

[1:26:47] council meeting and approve it and then

[1:26:49] we'll I tried to get it after July 1.

[1:26:51] We'll see. All right. On item number 14,

[1:26:54] formally accept a donation in the amount

[1:26:56] of $4,230.

[1:26:58] These funds were received from the gold

[1:26:59] coin that the council previously

[1:27:01] authorized the mayor to redeem. It is

[1:27:02] unknown who originally donated the gold

[1:27:04] coin. This is what I brought to you guys

[1:27:05] last meeting with a safe deposit box. I

[1:27:07] went and got it. I took it to the coin

[1:27:09] shop out in St. George. Um he said if we

[1:27:13] waited for a while he could give us $200

[1:27:15] more. I said no, just cash it in. Gave

[1:27:17] us $4,230. I told you guys we donated

[1:27:20] that to the cemetery to put the fence up

[1:27:22] and everything. We just have to formally

[1:27:24] accept the donation.

[1:27:26] All that is

[1:27:28] >> formally accept the donation in amount

[1:27:30] of $4,230.

[1:27:32] These funds were received from the gold

[1:27:34] coin that the council previously

[1:27:36] authorized the toe

[1:27:39] originally donated gold coin.

[1:27:41] >> Second.

[1:27:42] >> All in favor?

[1:27:44] >> I motion carries. Item number 14,

[1:27:47] donation for town council approval KC

[1:27:50] contracting. Uh we are going they did

[1:27:53] some work on the fire station. We need

[1:27:54] to formally accept their $10,000

[1:27:56] donation for concrete work. His name's

[1:27:58] Tim, right?

[1:27:59] >> Oh Kent Cook.

[1:28:03] >> And he did about I think it was 12,500

[1:28:06] thereabouts in work and only charges

[1:28:08] 2500 or something. So about about a

[1:28:10] $10,000 donation

[1:28:12] >> charges for the concrete he paid for a

[1:28:14] portable body materials that he wasted

[1:28:18] that were nonreover.

[1:28:21] So

[1:28:23] >> we really

[1:28:25] >> really appreciate that and make sure

[1:28:27] >> local residents know that he's done this

[1:28:29] for the town and I encourage local

[1:28:31] residents keep it

[1:28:32] >> this is Casey Contracting

[1:28:35] >> and he's Casey Contracting. And so if

[1:28:37] you need concrete work done, I highly

[1:28:39] would recommend that we keep a local and

[1:28:41] help him out. He made a huge donation to

[1:28:42] the town's fire department. So we just

[1:28:44] need to formally accept that donation.

[1:28:46] >> He lived over in Cedar Point area.

[1:28:48] >> Did he do the concrete on the new fire

[1:28:49] station?

[1:28:50] >> Yeah, that's what this is. That's what

[1:28:51] this is. Yep.

[1:28:52] >> Nice. Nice.

[1:28:53] >> Yep. That's what I didn't realize they

[1:28:55] did all that, but yeah. Awesome. Next

[1:28:57] time I'll see you on Thank you.

[1:29:00] >> Yep. You're a great guy.

[1:29:03] I move we approve the donation for the

[1:29:05] town council approved.

[1:29:07] >> All in favor?

[1:29:09] >> I motion carries. On item number 16,

[1:29:12] consideration of updated URS tier 2

[1:29:14] public safety retirement system pickup

[1:29:16] election. Let me explain to you what

[1:29:18] this is. This is fire chief's

[1:29:20] retirement. They're increasing the

[1:29:22] amount. He's current we're currently

[1:29:23] paying.

[1:29:24] >> Wait, where you going?

[1:29:25] >> Where you going, man?

[1:29:26] >> No, don't take your bears.

[1:29:28] >> You don't need to be staring at

[1:29:30] >> No, you do. You can stare at me all you

[1:29:31] want, man. worth your weight at gold.

[1:29:33] Current amount we're paying is $3,7450.

[1:29:36] They're upping the rate to $3,887.

[1:29:39] We are under no obligation to pay this

[1:29:41] for chief by law by anything. It's an

[1:29:43] increase of 81250. I without a doubt

[1:29:46] think we should pick up this entire

[1:29:48] amount. He does a lot. He you guys don't

[1:29:51] see everything he does. He does far and

[1:29:52] beyond his fire duties. He's actually

[1:29:55] helping us with the roads. I mean, yeah,

[1:29:57] I've had a just a horrible last few

[1:29:59] weeks and him and Michelle have

[1:30:00] absolutely just stepped up and took care

[1:30:02] of so much stuff that they're not even

[1:30:03] their job description. So, I I am 100%.

[1:30:10] » He could make more elsewhere. I promise

[1:30:12] you guys that it's 800 bucks a year. I

[1:30:14] don't want him to pay that. I would more

[1:30:15] than happy to pay. So motion it

[1:30:19] go ahead updating

[1:30:22] public.

[1:30:26] » All in favor?

[1:30:28] >> I motion carries. You guys appreciate

[1:30:30] that. And now on to the consent agenda.

[1:30:33] We can wrap this up. Item number 17

[1:30:35] minutes from May 20, 2026 non council

[1:30:37] hearing meeting. Item number 18, April

[1:30:40] 2026 water dispersement listing. Item

[1:30:42] 19, May 2026 dispersement listing. Item

[1:30:45] 20, fiscal year 2026 through May 2026

[1:30:48] budget report. And item 21, May 2026,

[1:30:51] water uses Paris.

[1:30:55] » We approve the consent agenda.

[1:30:58] >> You should have just started that

[1:30:59] without making a motion. We approve.

[1:31:02] >> Give me a second.

[1:31:04] >> All right.

[1:31:05] >> Second.

[1:31:07] >> All right. Scott's got the second. All

[1:31:08] in favor?

[1:31:09] >> I. Motion carries. We don't need a close

[1:31:12] session. Um, do I someone has a motion

[1:31:15] for adjournment?

[1:31:16] >> I make a motion we adjourn.

[1:31:18] >> Second.

[1:31:19] >> All in favor?

[1:31:20] >> Motion carries. Meeting a journ.

[1:31:23] Thank you guys.

[1:31:25] How many call?

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