[0:10] Okay. Are we going to start recording?

[0:12] Yeah. Okay. We are recording. It's 2

[0:15] o'clock. Uh time to begin this meeting

[0:18] of the Ashlin County Planning Committee.

[0:20] It's Tuesday, June 17. Uh the planning

[0:24] committee is meeting here in the

[0:25] courthouse with access via Zoom. I can

[0:28] see that Gary Mertig is on. Are you

[0:31] there, Gary? Can you hear us?

[0:35] Gary, can you hear us? We cannot hear

[0:37] you.

[0:42] Okay, we'll wait on that. Uh, so

[0:47] first item is roll call

[0:51] and hopefully Gary will come in because

[0:53] we need him for a quorum. George Buset.

[0:56] Uh, here. Use your mics, please. Bradley

[0:59] Ray.

[1:04] Elizabeth Franic here. Pat Kenny here.

[1:09] Gary Mertig.

[1:15] Gary, can you hear us?

[1:21] Continue

[1:39] with the roll call, please. Pat, Dan

[1:42] Grady,

[1:45] Lissa Radkkey here, and Charlie Ortman.

[2:00] Uh, we're going to pause the roll call

[2:02] for a minute. I'm going to try to call

[2:03] Gary. See if we can get a quorum up.

[2:06] Okay,

[2:10] Brad Ray just walked Ray is here. So, we

[2:12] have a quorum and I just Okay.

[2:46] This is Gary.

[2:51] Gary's online. Thank you.

[2:57] Mary Joe's online.

[3:01] Thank you very much.

[3:03] Okay, so it appears that we have a

[3:04] quorum. That's good news.

[3:07] Uh so the next item up is the approval

[3:10] of the agenda. Are there comments or

[3:13] suggestions regarding the agenda?

[3:17] Anyone? Anybody online?

[3:21] Gary

[3:23] Brad. Okay. No, no comments. Did I hear

[3:26] a motion to approve the agenda, please?

[3:28] Brad Ray. So moved. Brad Ray. Motion to

[3:30] approve the agenda. That will second.

[3:32] Pat Kenny. A second for the agenda. All

[3:35] in favor please say I. I. Any oppose? So

[3:39] the agenda is approved. Uh next we move

[3:41] on to item three which is public

[3:44] comments.

[3:46] Is there anybody online who would like

[3:48] to make a public comment?

[3:52] Is there anybody present would like to

[3:54] make a comment?

[3:56] Second call for public comments.

[3:59] Last call for public comments at this

[4:01] time. Hearing no request for public

[4:04] comment, we move on to item number four,

[4:06] which is approval of the minutes of the

[4:10] last meeting, which was May 12. And I've

[4:13] just asked uh Karisha to note that um

[4:17] Lisa Radkkey cannot be two places at the

[4:19] same time. So you you are listed as a

[4:24] present, but also as an other present.

[4:26] So we just we're we're making your other

[4:28] presence

[4:30] adjusted. Any other comments? Any any

[4:33] other comments on the uh uh the minutes

[4:35] of the last meeting? Okay. Uh can we

[4:38] have a motion to approve the minutes of

[4:39] the last meeting? Liz Franic. Motions to

[4:42] approve. Motion to approve. Second.

[4:46] Brad will second. Brad Ray second.

[4:47] Motion to approve the minutes

[4:49] discussion.

[4:51] All in favor, please say I. Any opposed?

[4:55] None in the negatives. The minutes of

[4:57] the prior meeting are approved.

[4:59] Then we're moving on to discussion items

[5:02] which is five 5A. First discussion item

[5:06] is little fun facts or favorite things

[5:09] about Ashlin County contributions by any

[5:13] or all committee members. Are there any

[5:16] committee members or persons present who

[5:18] would like to bring out a a fun fact?

[5:24] Melissa,

[5:26] use your mic, please. Yep. I'm figuring

[5:29] it. Um, I'll give you one, but I think

[5:34] you probably know it. Um, what's the

[5:36] tallest What's the second tallest?

[5:40] I'm going to start over.

[5:42] What's the tallest part in Ashen County?

[5:44] Tallest point.

[5:49] Mount Whittle Sea in the Porcupine

[5:51] Mountains. That is the eighth tallest

[5:55] point in state in our whole state. It's

[5:58] only 79 feet shorter than the tallest

[6:02] um point, which is Tim's Hill in Price

[6:05] County. So, we're at 1872

[6:10] feet tall at Mount Whittley in the

[6:12] Porcupine Mountains. Like, that's pretty

[6:14] cool. Where's it located? Mount Whittley

[6:18] is in the Porcupine Mountains. Porcupine

[6:21] Mountains are up by Mount by Anton.

[6:23] That's Michigan. What am I saying? Pino.

[6:26] Okay. In the Pinocchi Range. That's a

[6:27] fun fact that it's the Pino.

[6:32] Okay, I have I have two and um the first

[6:36] part of this starts with a little

[6:37] context and then I'll get to the

[6:39] actually the interesting point.

[6:42] So, um, see,

[6:45] in 1664,

[6:48] the great interpreter and trader

[6:50] Nicholas Perau

[6:53] was probably with canoes from Lake

[6:56] Superior that came to a dramatic and

[7:00] pagan-like halt at the little settlement

[7:03] of three rivers halfway between Montreal

[7:05] and Quebec. He and his Indian

[7:08] companions, so he had Native American

[7:12] guide companions, uh, had beaten off two

[7:15] attacking parties of Irakcoy and their

[7:17] canoes were piled high with furs, so

[7:19] they'd come back from

[7:21] the superior from the upper Midwest.

[7:24] So it is small wonder that they sang

[7:26] songs of victory, shot off their guns,

[7:28] and otherwise impressed four companies

[7:30] of soldiers just arrived for the first

[7:32] time from France. When the Indians

[7:34] returned to their homes, a cultured and

[7:38] vigorous Jesuit missionary accompanied

[7:40] them, Father Claude Jean Alou.

[7:45] He made his way to the foot of

[7:47] Shawamagan Bay

[7:50] where seven different tribes were then

[7:53] living in a little settlement.

[7:57] There he built a Bart chapel and a hut

[7:59] for himself. He worked long and hard

[8:01] without too much success and in the

[8:04] spring of 1667 he decided to visit the

[8:07] Npasing tribe then in the area north of

[8:10] Lake Nipagon.

[8:13] It's from a book by Grace Lee N uh I

[8:17] think published about 1944 called Lake

[8:20] Superior.

[8:22] Then here's another little uh Ashlin

[8:25] County fact from

[8:28] 1996.

[8:30] The Ashlin landing handled 31,000 cords

[8:34] of pulpwood shipped directly on rail in

[8:37] 1996.

[8:39] 48,675

[8:41] cord overall from Ashlin region

[8:48] h

[8:51] 1996 before the pulpo closed I think.

[8:55] Yeah. Any other interesting fun facts,

[8:59] Liz? Uh, Liz. Well, I Everybody knows I

[9:02] work with the public and nobody can

[9:05] pronounce shamigan and I work at the

[9:07] Schwamagan family restaurant. And I tell

[9:09] them that comes from the nishnab Ojiway

[9:12] word shiuamakum which means shallow

[9:16] waters or place of shallow waters or

[9:18] sandy shores. Um, also a nice fact about

[9:22] my family is my great grandpa Samuel

[9:25] Seedstra worked with the Bad River tribe

[9:30] way back in time and uh helped start the

[9:33] first Bad River Powow which was a Bad

[9:36] River fair. So I'd like to find out more

[9:40] information about that. Thank you.

[9:43] Any other contributions?

[9:46] the shallow waters. I think the voters

[9:47] all this spring would have would agree

[9:49] with shallow waters because having a

[9:50] hard time getting their boats in the

[9:52] water.

[9:54] Uh this is Mary Joe.

[9:57] Go ahead. Um I don't have an additional

[10:00] contribution, but when Lisa was talking

[10:02] about Mount Whittley,

[10:04] that's actually located um southeast of

[10:08] Melon.

[10:09] So, and it's almost halfway in between

[10:12] Lake Galilee and Highway 77. So if you

[10:16] were going to head east out of Melon

[10:18] along Highway 77 and you look to your

[10:21] south, that's where Mount Whittley is

[10:24] located up in the Pinocchi Hills there.

[10:28] And one of the second highest or in the

[10:30] other top five peaks is called Eagle's

[10:32] Nest and that's right around along on

[10:36] that same ridge as well.

[10:39] Sounds like a good hike. Any other

[10:42] contributions to fun facts? Okay. So, we

[10:45] move on to subcommittee status reports.

[10:49] So, just want to see where we stand one

[10:51] at a time. So, Brad, can we start with

[10:54] you, please?

[10:56] I've been out of the country for the

[10:57] last three weeks. So, I have not done

[10:58] anything

[11:00] in terms of any job uh for the last

[11:04] three weeks other than read the packet

[11:06] right before we came last night. So,

[11:08] sorry. No update.

[11:10] Uh, Liz,

[11:13] no update either, but I'd like to know

[11:16] like did you spread the news of Ashlin

[11:18] County to a different country and are

[11:20] they willing to come over here for a

[11:22] visit?

[11:25] Um, we I talked about Ashlin. Yeah. Uh,

[11:28] and that there was bears and wolves up

[11:30] here. People were surprised there's

[11:32] wildlife around um o over there, but uh

[11:36] I don't think anybody's going to come.

[11:39] So, sorry,

[11:45] Alicia.

[11:48] Um, well, let's see. George and I met to

[11:50] talk about how to deal with sub

[11:53] committees. Um the um I've got a plan

[11:57] but I haven't written it down

[12:01] for how to deal with the kind of like

[12:04] the SWAT analysis, the issues, the

[12:07] trends, the challenges and

[12:09] opportunities.

[12:11] That's my that'll be my job. Okay. Uh

[12:16] Pat,

[12:17] I've got the um egg and forestry and

[12:21] natural resources. And since we have

[12:23] Mary Joe here, um yesterday I was at the

[12:25] farm and on the south fence line that

[12:27] half mile I had it surveyed April 30th

[12:29] and and set posts for the survey line

[12:33] and then I was pulling the old steel

[12:34] post with a shovel dig around them and

[12:36] so I can get them loose and whatever.

[12:39] But as I'm doing that, I hear something

[12:41] walking through the woods, not fast.

[12:45] Um so I pause and I look and there's a

[12:48] little null where I was at. And so I

[12:51] look and

[12:53] 50 feet, maybe 60 at the most, up pops a

[12:57] big bearhead. And I can see his eyes

[12:59] going back and forth looking. And um

[13:02] then I can see him smelling. I had some

[13:05] salmon loaf for lunch and my cooler

[13:07] wasn't far away. But this year, Mary

[13:10] Joe, instead of standing up and scaring

[13:12] the bear, which I felt bad about for a

[13:14] very long time last year, this is very

[13:16] close, like 150 ft from last year. This

[13:20] time

[13:21] the bear when he was trying to figure

[13:23] out where the scent was coming from, I

[13:24] just simply said this loud, "Hear bear,

[13:27] bear." And that was enough for him to

[13:29] see me and then walk away. And I didn't

[13:32] scare him this time. So I feel good

[13:35] about not scaring the bear. I scared him

[13:37] last year. He was he was right behind

[13:40] me. That was um not good to scare. Um on

[13:44] the egg part, um Lisa started back in

[13:46] December with some egg related meetings.

[13:49] So she spearheaded that with the group.

[13:51] So I attended those and and now run a

[13:54] farmland preservation um set of

[13:56] meetings. We've got one the 24th coming

[13:58] up. Mary Joe has been um spearheading

[14:01] that with Northwest Regional Planning.

[14:02] So that part we're doing good on the

[14:04] forestry plan. I know we approved that

[14:06] as a board a several years ago and for

[14:09] the life of me on the county website I

[14:11] cannot find it. Um, so once we get done

[14:14] with the farmland preservation, I'm

[14:15] going to have to track down the the

[14:18] county plan and see if we can get it on

[14:20] the forestry website and then start in

[14:23] on that. And I I have been planting more

[14:26] trees again and I did 10 acres of acorns

[14:29] and shagbar hickory and black walnut

[14:31] last year trying to reforest. did the um

[14:35] um online course on forest adaptation

[14:38] last winter. So, I got a lot of

[14:40] questions about forest adaptation and

[14:41] what's going on with, you know, climate

[14:44] change, which is what it is. It's it's

[14:46] really different. So, I'll get to the

[14:47] forestry part once we wrap up the

[14:49] farmland preservation.

[14:54] Okay. Uh George, I have uh

[14:57] transportation and utilities.

[15:00] So it is my intention to try to draw on

[15:04] people from different transportation and

[15:07] utility sectors

[15:09] and maybe do it in two separate segments

[15:12] because they're kind of different

[15:14] categories.

[15:16] So, I'm going to try to ask the um the

[15:19] harbor commission to see if there's

[15:21] someone who would participate in a

[15:22] working group uh the county highway

[15:24] department

[15:26] uh from the airport commission uh from

[15:29] the trails, hiking trails and ATB

[15:32] trails. So that's my approach is to

[15:36] start inviting people who might be

[15:38] willing to give some time to the subject

[15:42] and then

[15:44] open and so form a uh a working group.

[15:48] I'm not sure about you know how we

[15:52] provide space and a meeting time or

[15:54] place to do this. And I think that's

[15:57] that's something we have to figure out

[15:59] for all of us because okay, I'm going to

[16:02] have some kind of working subgroup maybe

[16:04] with with people contributing. But how

[16:06] do we actually make that happen? Where

[16:09] where can we meet? When can we meet? How

[16:12] do we meet? Do we need to be online? Do

[16:14] we not? There's a lot of those kind of

[16:17] practical questions. But I'm going to

[16:20] start by just see if I can attract some

[16:22] people from the different areas. And

[16:24] then if I can do that, then establish a

[16:27] meeting time and place and make it known

[16:29] to the public that they're willing to

[16:30] come and contribute or maybe invite some

[16:32] people to come and contribute from the

[16:35] different governmental groups, you know,

[16:37] different municipalities,

[16:39] you know, someone from Le Point,

[16:42] someone from Butternut. They're

[16:43] different really different needs. So

[16:44] that's my approach but I think each of

[16:47] us has to take our own individual

[16:49] approach to our um to what we are

[16:52] personally you know willing and able and

[16:55] and prepared to do in terms of trying to

[16:58] get these elements written. Um

[17:01] so we're missing Charlie today for the

[17:04] intergovernmental

[17:06] uh Gary are you there? I'm here.

[17:10] Uh can you tell us anything uh going on

[17:13] with e the economic development and land

[17:15] use elements? Uh yeah, I a few weeks ago

[17:19] I talked to our land description office

[17:21] and told them that we'd be looking for

[17:23] more information at some point. I'm

[17:26] still waiting to hear when we get to the

[17:29] point of bringing Northwest Regional

[17:30] Planning on so that we have more of a

[17:34] guideline as to okay, how in depth or

[17:37] how far are we going? Um

[17:41] so that because they've done this before

[17:44] and so that we don't both them and us

[17:48] are on the same page is you know what do

[17:50] they see us needing um before we get too

[17:53] far ahead of ourselves. But I do have a

[17:56] just a quick point of something that

[18:00] this could have gone before. But about a

[18:02] week ago, I was on a little lake west of

[18:06] Melon

[18:08] and you could hear the traffic on GG,

[18:10] which is a welltraveled road. But at one

[18:13] point, I said to my fishing buddy, "That

[18:16] is the loudest truck I have ever heard."

[18:19] Well, about 4 seconds later, we

[18:22] discovered it was not a truck. It was an

[18:24] Air Force Reserve fighter jet at treetop

[18:27] level who covered the entire lake wood

[18:30] line heading towards Melon. And my

[18:33] fishing partner actually covered his

[18:35] ears that that sound was so loud. Um,

[18:39] I know they've done this in the past,

[18:42] but uh, maybe we should let our county

[18:44] residents know there's no war going on

[18:46] yet, but um, when the fighter jets are

[18:49] training, they they like the Pinocchi

[18:51] Range and that area between Melon and

[18:54] Clam Lake. I've seen them on other areas

[18:57] over there in the past. Uh, um, but I'm

[19:01] sure that would shock some people

[19:03] because he was at the treetop level when

[19:05] he came over. Um, so maybe maybe we

[19:10] could use that as economic development

[19:12] and tell people, hey, the Air Force is

[19:14] using our area as a training ground.

[19:16] Come and see it.

[19:19] I'm not taking that into transportation.

[19:21] Thank you.

[19:24] Right.

[19:26] So hopefully, I mean, I don't know if

[19:29] everybody's gone through and reviewed

[19:31] the 2016 comprehensive plan, but

[19:34] hopefully we've all read through the

[19:36] sections related to our elements. I

[19:39] mean, I was impressed. I think it's a

[19:40] pretty good pretty well done, frankly.

[19:43] So, really happy with that. Any other

[19:46] comments or thoughts on the subcommittee

[19:49] work?

[19:52] Okay. Um then if not we'll move on to

[19:55] the next item

[19:58] which is discussion of communication

[20:01] vehicles. Oh I'm sorry Pat. Just as a I

[20:05] don't know observation or question that

[20:07] permeates a few things is if you want to

[20:09] go back that previous screen you were

[20:10] on. We've got this divvied up in an

[20:13] order

[20:15] that each of us have an interest in the

[20:17] topic presume believe that we're doing

[20:19] and yet um

[20:22] you know like for what I have a forestry

[20:24] and natural resources in the elements

[20:26] that we have to meet for the comp plan

[20:28] there's the cultural piece that split

[20:32] Liz has that and so as we go through

[20:34] this stuff you know it's one thing to

[20:36] say here's the elements that are

[20:37] required but then as we go through this

[20:39] planning process

[20:41] I have part of um

[20:45] one of these categories and then Liz has

[20:47] another part of it. So just so that we

[20:49] figure out how we're going to divvy that

[20:51] up or or how the meetings are

[20:53] coordinated or data gathered or

[20:55] separated and all of that just kind of a

[20:58] procedural thing as we encounter it.

[21:02] Other thoughts on that subject? Uh so

[21:08] the reason I proposed and got you

[21:12] convinced you to maybe go along with me

[21:15] on this organization was for our data

[21:18] collection purposes

[21:20] because the the cultural elements that

[21:22] go with cultural facilities as kind of a

[21:25] natural or who you're going to talk to

[21:27] and where you're going to get

[21:28] information and the natural resources

[21:31] elements

[21:32] that relate to that are really kind of

[21:36] related to forestry and agriculture. So

[21:38] my suggestion what I'll do for like

[21:41] transportation and utilities I probably

[21:42] going to segregate it into two sections

[21:45] of my analysis and that's what I would

[21:48] suggest for you know for cultural

[21:51] resources and community facilities. I

[21:53] would divide my analysis into two

[21:56] sections. So you've got the cultural

[21:58] resources section and the community

[22:00] facilities section. you're talking to

[22:02] the same people pretty much. And so

[22:04] that's easily just when we have to map

[22:07] it into the actual final comprehensive

[22:10] plan just you can take the cultural

[22:12] resources and if Pat has segregated

[22:15] agricultural forestry and natural

[22:17] resources into segments of his work you

[22:19] can take combine natural resources and

[22:21] cultural resources and map it into the

[22:24] the formatting that's prescribed uh by

[22:27] the statute. But the reason I proposed

[22:29] doing it this way was for our collection

[22:32] of information and and when and working

[22:34] with people because

[22:37] you know there's a big difference

[22:38] between forestry and

[22:41] cultural resources or between community

[22:44] facilities and utilities. So that's

[22:48] that's my approach to a pet. Yeah. Could

[22:52] you go to um page five of that file? Um,

[22:57] it's page five on the PDF. Um, so I

[23:01] think we're scrolling.

[23:04] Yeah, if you want to scroll down.

[23:09] I may have not or let's see. I'm on the

[23:13] I'm on the consolidated draft file.

[23:17] Okay. You'd have to go down.

[23:20] Well, yeah, but but if

[23:25] Yeah, but but that's

[23:29] trying to clarify what I was trying to

[23:31] point. So, right there, just because

[23:33] they're together. So, we've got focus

[23:35] groups and we've got list one through

[23:38] seven of how we've divvied it up and

[23:43] then below that it says these focus

[23:44] groups will and then you've got this

[23:47] other order. And just as we proceed

[23:50] through all of this stuff, we've got are

[23:52] we having focus groups for both of those

[23:55] things? One through seven the first set

[23:57] and one through seven the second set or

[23:59] are we doing something different? No,

[24:01] our focus groups are only the first set

[24:04] and then if so if a has if you're if

[24:08] focus group number four is segmented

[24:11] between agriculture, forestry and

[24:13] natural resources and focus group number

[24:16] five is segmented between n cultural

[24:18] resources community facilities. Then you

[24:21] can just take the natural resources

[24:23] segment from four and the cultural

[24:25] resources segment from five and slide it

[24:28] down into the agricultural, natural, and

[24:31] cultural resources element that's going

[24:34] to be in the public's plan. So as we go

[24:36] through meetings and stuff, um, we're

[24:40] organizing those based on the first set

[24:42] of one through sevens as opposed to the

[24:44] second. So as far as am I going to go to

[24:47] this meeting or that one, is it part of

[24:48] my category? Not. something and and Liz

[24:51] I want to ask you this question

[24:54] in the second set of one through seven

[24:56] it's got a natural and cultural

[24:58] resources

[25:00] and I can't help but think

[25:03] about bad river

[25:08] and how natural and cultural resources

[25:10] tied together for them in a particularly

[25:15] important and strong ways and more

[25:17] history than they do lots others. I have

[25:20] some concern that unless we're careful,

[25:22] we're going to lose that connection of

[25:25] the natural and cultural resources, that

[25:26] interplay, that inter relationship,

[25:28] interconnection that's so important to

[25:31] Bad River if we're not being careful.

[25:33] Um, but if these are the state

[25:35] guidelines, they may not have been

[25:36] thinking about that. But for us, I think

[25:39] it's really important

[25:41] that we pay close attention to that. And

[25:43] it would be easy for us to miss if we're

[25:46] not careful. Listen. Well, I thought

[25:49] that it would be a good idea just for um

[25:52] to attach a memo to them and you know at

[25:57] their Bad River tribal meetings they

[25:59] could put a planning committee aspect

[26:02] and attach natural resources and

[26:05] cultural resources as part of it.

[26:10] Other comments, discussion? Um, I still

[26:14] don't think I'm fully understanding how

[26:17] um a county plan inter

[26:20] engages and interacts with a sovereign

[26:23] nation

[26:25] because it seems like a lot of the

[26:27] cultural sites might be on the

[26:28] reservation and so we're not really

[26:32] doing a visionary plan for the

[26:35] reservation.

[26:37] I mean, I just want to get my mind

[26:39] around how those two integrate. Like Bad

[26:42] River is its own nation, so that has its

[26:45] own plans. If the cultural sites are on

[26:48] the res, then the Ashlin County is not

[26:51] necessarily responsible for tribal

[26:54] cultural, but it might be other things.

[26:58] Is is that am I I don't know. It's

[26:59] always been a question for me because it

[27:02] came up with the natural resources

[27:04] committee. You know, we were talking a

[27:05] lot about how to protect the res and

[27:07] what the reservation is doing and it's

[27:09] not really the county's jurisdiction

[27:12] under this plan. So, I just maybe

[27:14] regional planning can help with that. If

[27:18] I can have permission to speak, I can

[27:20] answer these questions.

[27:22] Speaking please, Mary Joe. Mary Joe. Um,

[27:27] so the the agriculture, cultural, and

[27:30] natural resources section is all one

[27:33] section of the comprehensive plan. And

[27:36] I'm working on this with the town of

[27:38] Moringo right now. Like that section

[27:40] alone is 42 pages. So individually

[27:44] you're focusing countywide on what are

[27:47] the natural resources of the county like

[27:50] what are the water water resources what

[27:53] are the threatened and endangered

[27:54] species

[27:56] um what are land preservation areas um

[28:00] environmental corridors

[28:02] and then for the natural resource

[28:04] section you similarly identify things

[28:09] and then for the cultural resources you

[28:11] identify by culturally what's

[28:14] significant across the county. So

[28:17] architecture, historic buildings,

[28:20] archaeological sites, and the Bad River

[28:23] Band of Chippoa would fall into that as

[28:27] a cultural site.

[28:30] So, you're identifying these places and

[28:33] you would provide information about

[28:35] them, but you're not necessarily

[28:38] developing goals or activities

[28:41] associated with those individual areas.

[28:46] And then furthermore, for the

[28:47] agriculture, cultural, and natural

[28:49] resource section of the plan, we're

[28:52] going to identify goals and activities

[28:56] for each of those that are important.

[29:00] So, natural resources, what are our

[29:02] goals for natural resources countywide?

[29:06] And we would look at the current plan

[29:08] and we would answer from the current

[29:11] plan from 2016, what were those goals

[29:14] and activities? and have they been

[29:15] accomplished and are still are they

[29:17] still irrelevant? And then we would

[29:20] develop any new activities that we see

[29:22] fit for the next plan period. Same thing

[29:26] with cultural resources

[29:28] like for the town of Moringo, which

[29:30] we're going through right now, the main

[29:33] goal is to promote and preserve the

[29:35] town's cultural resource base. So then

[29:39] there's a couple activities associated

[29:41] with that. But for the county plan, we

[29:44] would be asking ourselves culturally

[29:46] what's important across the whole

[29:48] county, whether it's archaeological

[29:50] sites, historic sites, and then how do

[29:54] we want to promote the preservation or

[29:57] restoration or protection of those

[30:00] things.

[30:02] So hopefully that answered some of the

[30:04] question. Um, and if anyone has any

[30:07] questions, I can try to answer.

[30:09] Alissa.

[30:12] So, we know that Bad Rivers quote

[30:15] property is part of Ashlin County and I

[30:19] just want to verify like with a tribe or

[30:21] natural or regional planning how to deal

[30:25] with that as a sovereign nation because

[30:27] if we're saying that the county will

[30:30] write goals and objectives and actions

[30:32] for

[30:34] natural resources that are within a

[30:36] reservation, which is a federally

[30:38] designated boundary for a sovereign

[30:40] nation, then they need to be a lot more

[30:43] deeply involved in this whole process.

[30:47] But I don't think we have any goals or

[30:50] actions in the plan right now. I think

[30:52] there's only one in the current plan

[30:55] that says something specifically about

[30:58] Bad River. Um because we have no

[31:00] jurisdiction over them. We we could

[31:02] write an action in here a natural

[31:04] resource. Those you should do this with

[31:05] the sloo or whatever we want it. But

[31:07] there that's it's like saying to Canada.

[31:11] So I just I'm just as we keep going

[31:13] forward just how do we acknowledge the

[31:17] difference between the two governmental

[31:19] entities.

[31:22] Liz, that's why I think that the tribe

[31:25] should be involved in this and you know

[31:28] we're not telling them you know what to

[31:30] do. They're going to give us guidance

[31:32] and what we should do. And just like

[31:35] Mary Joe said about archaeology or

[31:38] architecture or any natural resources,

[31:42] they will, you know, guide us through

[31:45] what they they know about natural

[31:49] resources, endangered species, how to

[31:52] protect those um environmental things,

[31:55] too.

[31:57] Yeah. in our plan. I mean, we're not

[31:59] making goals and activities for the

[32:02] reservation, but we could recognize like

[32:05] we understand that the Kagan and Bad

[32:07] River Slooh's are uh international

[32:10] significant wetland and we promote

[32:13] supporting high water quality there.

[32:16] Like it could be things where you

[32:18] recognize the significance and we're in

[32:21] support of the protection of that but we

[32:26] would not actually be developing

[32:28] activities to implement on the tribal

[32:31] lands.

[32:33] Erica

[32:36] Mary Joe said perfectly what I was going

[32:38] to say. So that is not we should keep

[32:42] our language so that we understand

[32:44] there's two parts to the plan. One is a

[32:45] background session section which is

[32:48] descriptive and talking about the assets

[32:50] on in the county which you could say bad

[32:53] river sloo blah blah blah part two where

[32:56] all of this work that we're doing I

[32:58] think is in um all of these work groups

[33:02] are set up for part two which is goals

[33:04] objectives and actions. So, we should be

[33:08] like

[33:10] intentional about when we're talking

[33:11] about the tribe, what we're how we're

[33:14] engaging them in what part of the plan

[33:16] because they really don't have um

[33:20] and we work with Bad River all the time.

[33:22] I mean as as well while Mary Joe was on

[33:24] the natural resources and the egg work

[33:26] group and we had Bad River people there,

[33:28] but we were being really clear that the

[33:31] goals and objectives of part two were

[33:33] not um engaged with Bad River unless we

[33:36] said work with Bad River as a as a

[33:39] partner, but that all of this work that

[33:42] we're talking about to describe natural

[33:43] resources or archaeological sites um

[33:47] that's all in part one. It's just

[33:49] descriptive. And then still we should be

[33:51] working as I'm sure regional planning

[33:53] will understand really deeply with like

[33:55] their typo office for the cultural

[33:57] resources and a lot of that information

[34:00] is not shared with the public but at

[34:02] least they would say a list here's our

[34:05] historically relevant sites like the

[34:08] cemetery or the pawa grounds or

[34:09] something. So, I'm just trying to figure

[34:12] out our language so that we're working

[34:15] as good neighbors with the tribe, but

[34:17] not like setting expectations or

[34:18] stepping into things that aren't our

[34:20] jurisdiction.

[34:22] Any other comments or discussion?

[34:25] Uh Pat,

[34:28] part of Bad River is owned by folks that

[34:30] aren't members of Bad River, which is a

[34:33] whole another layer of making it

[34:34] interesting. But the comp plan

[34:39] um

[34:43] doesn't give us authority to do

[34:45] everything that we might like to do

[34:46] within all of the boundaries of Ashlin

[34:48] County. The city of Ashton, for example,

[34:50] controls their zoning. We don't. you

[34:53] know, the city of Melon is going to make

[34:54] decisions on what they choose to do. Uh

[34:56] people with wooded and farmland are

[34:59] going to make decisions that uh they

[35:01] choose given that they have the property

[35:04] right. So on every

[35:06] square inch of Ashlin County,

[35:09] somebody else has some authority to make

[35:12] some decisions and ours is limited. So,

[35:14] as we go through this, we always have to

[35:16] bear in mind, you know, what do we have

[35:19] authority to do as a county and what

[35:22] don't we? And it varies

[35:25] where we're at in the county and

[35:26] certainly varies with Bad River, but it

[35:28] varies with the city of Aston and

[35:30] everywhere else, too. And so that's why,

[35:33] you know, it's a plan and we work

[35:35] towards, but it's always going to take

[35:37] cooperation and decisions by others to

[35:40] change anything that the majority or the

[35:42] owners perceive to be a positive change.

[35:45] So when I read the comp plan for the

[35:48] township I own land in, it's, you know,

[35:50] I can tell who some of the people were

[35:52] that wrote it or involved in it and I

[35:54] really like it. But then I look around

[35:57] and you know we all own our own land and

[35:59] people clearly make different decisions

[36:01] on what they do or don't do. And and

[36:03] that reminds me that plans can be very

[36:06] good but it still takes the individual

[36:09] property owners to decide that they want

[36:11] to engage in what's in the plan.

[36:15] And

[36:17] other comments I would add that um I

[36:21] think there's one section where

[36:24] vision goals and objectives will

[36:26] actually be really important and that'll

[36:28] be into intergovernmental relations. So

[36:31] our vision of how we're working for

[36:33] instance with Bad River or the city of

[36:35] Melon or the National Forest Service is

[36:38] part of what we have to think about what

[36:40] what our vision is. We can't set the

[36:42] goals and objectives for the National

[36:44] Forest Service, but we can think about

[36:46] how we want to work together with them.

[36:49] Any other comments on the uh

[36:52] subcommittee status reports item 5B?

[36:56] If not, we move on to item 5C, which is

[37:01] discussion of communications, vehicles,

[37:05] shared drive for planning documents,

[37:07] websites, email, social media,

[37:10] electronic surveys.

[37:12] I think we're not fully clear on our

[37:17] communication strategies

[37:19] and I'm deeply concerned that we not get

[37:23] our communications tangled in a mess.

[37:27] So thoughts, comments,

[37:30] insights, wisdom, anybody

[37:34] that

[37:36] I guess one big picture thought is that

[37:38] this committee is a standing committee

[37:41] and not an ad hoc committee. Most

[37:43] counties would have an ad hoc committee,

[37:45] which means you do your work, you're

[37:46] finished, you're done. Um, we chose to

[37:48] make it a standing committee as a board

[37:51] so that things related to climate change

[37:53] in particular, we had more flexibility

[37:55] to um, look at things over a 10-year

[37:58] period and decide we want to make some

[38:00] changes because the world really seems

[38:01] to change faster than it used to. So, it

[38:04] gives us more flexibility. So in terms

[38:05] of the communications it would be just

[38:08] that as things are put online you know

[38:10] for example a website where people could

[38:12] add comments that we state those things

[38:14] in a way that um indicates this is

[38:18] ongoing collecting feedback information

[38:20] suggestions whatever versus here's a

[38:23] deadline and after that you know we're

[38:26] done because it's a standing not an ad

[38:29] hoc. just that we bear that in mind as

[38:31] we consider language as we collect

[38:33] stuff.

[38:36] Other other comments or discussion?

[38:39] Erica, do you have um a sense of where

[38:41] we stand on things like um a website for

[38:46] or a central location for information?

[38:50] What's your view on that? And then I'll

[38:51] come to Lisa actually I think on the

[38:53] same question. I have not checked out

[38:56] the website which I think was created

[39:00] right by Rachel. Did Rachel set up a

[39:02] website and then add the email to it?

[39:05] But the website really only has

[39:08] the previous

[39:11] comp plan, the plan from 2016 on it. So

[39:15] that's the sort of public-f facing

[39:18] repository

[39:19] of information I think that we have

[39:23] planned going forward although I don't

[39:25] think it's fully um fleshed out yet.

[39:30] the other. So, it's not a website, but

[39:32] it's on SharePoint that I think we

[39:35] should perhaps talk about and maybe use

[39:40] a little more because I think that it's

[39:42] perhaps only Dan and myself that are

[39:44] adding documents to it right now. um is

[39:48] that on SharePoint under AC County

[39:51] Administration and then documents,

[39:55] Dan and I have been uploading the

[39:59] municipality comp plans, uh population

[40:03] projections through 2050,

[40:06] any other public input that we've

[40:08] received,

[40:10] all of the county department feedback

[40:12] and documents that I've received um from

[40:16] the the two question survey um that we

[40:20] distributed.

[40:22] So that place is I think the one

[40:27] clearing house for us that will be

[40:30] continue to be very useful if we can I

[40:34] will do my best I think it's pretty well

[40:36] organized right now like within folders

[40:38] and subfolders so that people can have a

[40:41] flow of where things go. Um,

[40:46] I am

[40:48] not aware if anybody else has editorial

[40:51] capabilities on that if you can upload

[40:54] things because I think Dan had to ask

[40:57] Rachel to add me to have it on there.

[41:01] But George, were you able to access

[41:04] those things? Okay. So, regarding

[41:06] SharePoint, so Erica sent me a link.

[41:09] Yeah. this last week and I tried to use

[41:11] that link and I totally failed

[41:15] and I I had to reset my password and

[41:18] then my password would reset and then I

[41:21] couldn't get my email for a couple of

[41:23] days and then finally Rachel helped me

[41:26] get it all straightened out but it took

[41:28] her a long time to figure out. So,

[41:31] because many of us aren't very familiar

[41:33] with these tablet computers and with the

[41:37] particular software,

[41:39] um I think we need to if we're going to

[41:42] use a resource, we're going to have to

[41:43] train ourselves about how to use it. So,

[41:46] um Brad, did you have an experience?

[41:47] Yeah. Well, February 5th, Rachel sent

[41:50] the SharePoint and I tried then and I

[41:53] just tried again and I had the same

[41:55] issue. It says it's my password is not

[41:57] valid and yet that's my password. So, I

[41:59] don't want to reset because I need to

[42:01] get into my email. But, right. So, there

[42:03] must be some other password that was a

[42:06] tied that isn't tied to anything I'm

[42:09] using here. Um, but it should be the

[42:12] thing is is it's Microsoft Office, so it

[42:14] should be the same thing as the Outlook

[42:15] and I can log into Outlook, but I can't

[42:17] log into the SharePoint. So, I don't

[42:19] know if it's a security setting on not

[42:21] being on the same network, but I'm in

[42:23] here. I'm on the same network. It should

[42:25] work. But I'm guessing it's a

[42:27] permissions thing and I'm in here now

[42:30] and it's not offering me the capability

[42:32] of giving permissions to anyone else. So

[42:35] I think that it's probably Rachel that

[42:37] controls those permissions.

[42:39] Um I can definitely talk to her and make

[42:42] sure all committee members are added and

[42:44] have editorial access to it. Is Alissa

[42:48] is that for the committee access or is

[42:52] there a public facing website there?

[42:55] There were two things we've talked

[42:57] about. So the first was the public

[42:58] facing website that Rachel set up. This

[43:01] SharePoint is only for committee access.

[43:04] Oh, and there I did get in. You did get

[43:06] in. Just got me in. Weird. I just

[43:11] but it must be a network thing that when

[43:13] I'm at home you can't get I wasn't able

[43:16] to interesting

[43:19] okay though the the public facing

[43:22] part is on the county website yes under

[43:26] planning committee easy to access that

[43:28] seem to works just fine and we'll have

[43:30] to decide what we want to put on there

[43:34] I'm wondering if we want to put our

[43:37] meeting minutes when they are approved.

[43:40] Uh the meeting minutes are accessible

[43:41] through the calendar, but it might be

[43:44] useful to folks to be able to go to that

[43:46] one place and see the the series of

[43:49] proceedings through the minutes

[43:51] meetings. Could we do that,

[43:53] Karisha? I could definitely look into

[43:55] that. Okay, Karisha will look into that.

[43:58] Thank you very much. Um other discussion

[44:02] on our communications, surveys, media,

[44:06] etc. Melissa, do you have observations?

[44:11] Well,

[44:13] I wasn't sure what the difference was be

[44:16] between C and D.

[44:19] Um because it seemed like C those were

[44:22] all tools that you would use in a public

[44:25] participation plan. Um my main thought

[44:29] on both C and D is I have no

[44:31] understanding yet of who does what. Um,

[44:35] the most recent thing I have is, um, I

[44:38] think regional planning might have used

[44:41] Bernett County's template for a public

[44:43] participation and then they crossed out

[44:46] different things that weren't relevant

[44:47] to Ash County,

[44:49] but it doesn't say anything about who

[44:51] does what or anything. So before I would

[44:54] ever like approve a participation plan

[44:57] would be like what are the um exact

[45:01] tools some sort of timeline and who's

[45:04] doing what

[45:07] you know extension does a lot of

[45:09] outreach already on this so we're happy

[45:11] to help but I'm not sure if um like

[45:15] regional planning are they the

[45:18] out outer voice for the group do you

[45:21] know what I mean are they uh voice. So,

[45:24] they're doing a survey and they're doing

[45:26] a newsletter and they're keeping your

[45:27] website. I don't know. I just it feels

[45:29] like there needs to be a lot more

[45:31] details.

[45:32] I 100% agree. Especially if you're

[45:36] getting comments from the public or

[45:38] questions, there has to be a clearing

[45:40] house for someone to be able to respond

[45:42] or to gather and keep that information

[45:45] together.

[45:48] But that was what the email is for,

[45:50] right? that Rachel did set up and is on

[45:52] the website, right? But originally that

[45:56] request for that email came from me

[45:59] because we have six different educators

[46:01] and we're trying to just like if there's

[46:03] public comments, people are like, I

[46:05] don't know who to talk to at UW. So go

[46:07] to outreach extension and you can put it

[46:10] in there. It'll come to me and my

[46:12] director and then we'll um farm the

[46:15] question out. that turned into a um

[46:19] could we use that also for the comp

[46:22] plan. However, um Rachel then nixed the

[46:25] whole idea on it for extension and she

[46:29] asked extension to get their own email.

[46:32] So then that email address went back to

[46:35] Dan and the last I heard was Dan and um

[46:40] I think George and maybe you Erica get

[46:43] that to you. it gets forwarded to you

[46:45] and I'm out of the picture. Extensions

[46:46] out of that picture. We're going to get

[46:48] our own general outreach email.

[46:52] So, I'm not seeing anything yet. Rachel

[46:57] just said, "Yeah, we'll use it for the

[46:59] county employees because it's an Ashlin

[47:02] County email address."

[47:04] Is that making sense?

[47:07] Started out UW, now it's all county. So

[47:10] there is an email address that's about

[47:12] the plan that George and I and Dan have

[47:15] access to. I don't know if Eric I don't

[47:17] I don't but so there is an email and

[47:20] that's what's on the website so that

[47:22] people can submit comments about the

[47:24] plan to that email address with with the

[47:27] word extensions not in it. The word

[47:29] extension is not in it. Okay. The email

[47:31] address is

[47:34] um

[47:37] I got to find it here.

[47:42] So then who actually consolidates those

[47:45] comments and where do they go?

[47:49] So on the

[47:52] um

[47:56] there was a bunch of emails. Did I end

[47:57] up deleting it

[48:00] for when I got back? But uh the email

[48:04] was supposed to say or anybody that

[48:07] direct was directed to the email. It's

[48:09] supposed to say if you want specific

[48:11] response, please acknowledge that you

[48:14] want a response in the email. Otherwise,

[48:16] it's just comments and they're going to

[48:18] uh coalate and George and I will um have

[48:22] access to those and can be able to divvy

[48:25] them up wherever they need to go um

[48:27] based off those subcommittees. I'm

[48:30] looking for where that be.

[48:34] Okay, allow me to say that um at this

[48:36] point discussion item C is simply about

[48:39] tools. We're only talking about tools

[48:42] that we would want to be able to deploy

[48:47] in service of our engagement with the

[48:49] public. We haven't invited engagement

[48:52] with the public other than to attend

[48:53] these meetings which was made in the

[48:55] public announcement.

[48:57] And when we know how a website would

[49:00] work or how surveys would actually work,

[49:03] then we can issue invitations for public

[49:06] participation and we will have to have

[49:09] have decided how we will manage their

[49:12] input in those in instances. So, so to

[49:15] make it even more confusing for you,

[49:17] Lisa, the email is extension info

[49:22] wisconsin.gov. I'm glad it's coming up

[49:24] again because it it is a tangled web and

[49:28] we wanted something different and then

[49:30] we thought, oh, we'll use the same one,

[49:32] but it it needs to be like probably

[49:35] should have it like comp comprehensive

[49:37] planning at with SC at Ashlin County.

[49:41] Exactly. Is it that's what I want. It

[49:43] might need to be something changed on

[49:46] that email address. It hasn't nobody's

[49:48] been used. It's out. Was it in the uh

[49:51] George, was that email address in the uh

[49:55] It's not the public notice that went

[49:57] out? It's not anywhere right now. So, I

[50:00] I'll take to action item to ask Rachel

[50:02] to adjust the name on the email. Yeah.

[50:04] Okay. Love it, Liz. Thank you. On our

[50:07] county website, can the folks of the

[50:11] community go on there and see an update

[50:15] or anything that we're doing with the

[50:17] comprehensive plan?

[50:20] Not yet. So the first step toward that

[50:22] would be to post our minutes of our

[50:23] meetings to that website. Right now the

[50:26] only things there is a copy of the 2016

[50:28] comprehensive plan which is a great

[50:30] foundation if people want to understand

[50:32] what we're talking about. Also people

[50:35] are so addicted to social media. Um, is

[50:38] there any way that we could have a a

[50:42] site that they could use to have

[50:47] information but not to comment because

[50:49] the comments would be crazy.

[50:52] There would be too many and nobody would

[50:55] be able to answer them. But like

[50:56] aformational

[50:58] Facebook site.

[51:01] Thoughts on that?

[51:04] We I use Facebook for work extensionally

[51:08] extensively extensionally.

[51:10] [Laughter]

[51:13] Not enough coffee today. Um and and so

[51:17] my the way I set my page up, I can share

[51:19] and people can take stuff and share it.

[51:22] But I agree with you. Um

[51:25] the question about a Facebook page is

[51:27] who who runs it? Like who posts? And

[51:30] then I I know it's supposed to be an

[51:33] interactive page because the whole thing

[51:35] is built on public input, you know, to

[51:38] drive the future of the county. And

[51:41] people are weird. They say the strangest

[51:44] things. I I don't know how if you could

[51:46] cut off count comments that would be

[51:49] almost anti- Facebook, but somebody

[51:52] needs to be the carrier or the keeper of

[51:55] that and then either um cut people off

[51:57] if they're getting mad or, you know, um

[52:01] give factual information. You need a

[52:03] keeper. Yes, for sure. Yeah. I don't

[52:06] think the county has a site. I know like

[52:09] we have land conservation has a site and

[52:12] I think there is a couple other

[52:14] departments that might have a site but I

[52:16] don't think there's actually a county

[52:18] site. Does anyone There isn't. There's

[52:20] not. There isn't. What are you referring

[52:21] to, Mary Joe? What do you mean by site?

[52:24] A a social media site, Facebook or any

[52:28] other social media. Okay. Thanks. Yeah.

[52:31] And I would just say that I think we

[52:34] avoid it. Um,

[52:38] even with comments off, it's like I I

[52:41] don't know. I don't use any social

[52:42] media, so I don't know, maybe I'm a bad

[52:44] example, but I think it's just uh

[52:48] it it's it's just uh creates headaches

[52:51] and we set it up and then there it's not

[52:54] updated and then it I think a web page

[52:56] is better and we direct them to a web

[52:58] page that we can say, "Hey, Rachel, can

[53:00] you update?" or it at least has

[53:02] something on there. It's recent. You

[53:04] know, it's I think that's my feeling is

[53:06] I don't think social media is maybe I'm

[53:08] wrong. I'm might be the youngest person

[53:11] in here and I'm not on social media so

[53:13] maybe I'm the wrong but I

[53:16] Yeah, it's I I agree the website would

[53:19] be great. I mean I I You have your mic

[53:23] on for a reason. Um just memory

[53:26] problems. Oh, okay. Um I think my

[53:30] observation would be let me make this

[53:32] one comment that um I think social media

[53:35] could be very useful in in inviting

[53:37] people to make a comment in a different

[53:40] like on the county website or to submit

[53:42] something to a central location so that

[53:44] we're not scattered. But so for issuing

[53:45] an invitation useful PR but for

[53:48] collecting information probably too

[53:50] complicated. Uh yeah, Erica, I would

[53:54] just say that yeah, if we're issuing

[53:56] invitations to come and speak or to like

[54:00] post, you know, the basics of an agenda

[54:03] or what might it be, I think it probably

[54:05] should go on the Ashlin County Extension

[54:07] site if there's because there's no other

[54:10] like we we we can't start a social media

[54:12] campaign from scratch

[54:15] without sufficient

[54:17] leverage behind it to actually get

[54:19] people to add to their feed. But

[54:23] extension Ashlin County already has a

[54:25] few thousand. It's not a lot, but it's I

[54:28] mean it's enough and then it's sharable

[54:30] and then people can come. But yeah, I

[54:33] mean I don't think we invite feedback

[54:37] about things on Facebook because it's

[54:39] not an official county space. Instead,

[54:43] we invite feedback at the meetings where

[54:45] where it's captured.

[54:48] Makes sense to me. Elissa, would would

[54:50] that be viable? I promote a lot of

[54:54] Ashlin County groups and businesses and

[54:58] farmers by just merely saying um UW

[55:02] extension works in Ashlin County. Here's

[55:04] a great event to um increase a farm

[55:07] visit, farm tour or the clean sweeps. It

[55:10] was the third list. We did a survey at

[55:12] the clean sweeps. It was the third

[55:14] listed thing, most popular thing that

[55:16] people got information about clean

[55:17] sweeps. Over 100, 300 people came on

[55:19] Saturday and that was number three after

[55:22] um daily press and um

[55:26] um local newspapers. So, so people do

[55:29] read it. That being said, if the county

[55:31] if you wrote a press release and sent it

[55:34] to me, I would just post it and say,

[55:36] "Here's news about Ashlin County comp

[55:38] plan. Please share and blah blah blah."

[55:41] you know, so if that Ashlin anybody

[55:44] could do that. You know, League of Women

[55:45] Voters loves to share a lot of stuff and

[55:48] yeah, that that could be done, but I

[55:50] didn't want to be the official Ashlin

[55:52] County Facebook.

[55:55] But sharing stuff, yeah,

[56:00] Pat, so like Brad, I'm not on social

[56:03] media and so far I have refused to be on

[56:06] that. I don't think that's going to

[56:07] change. Um, but it's not lost on me when

[56:10] we look at C there that those are

[56:13] electronic formats and we know from our

[56:15] broadband study a few years ago and you

[56:19] know hopefully we get Norvado to expand

[56:21] here. Um, we have a lot of people

[56:23] without access to broadband and so if

[56:27] we're not careful we're not we're going

[56:29] to end up with a biased sample on who we

[56:32] contact. So yes, we can contact people,

[56:34] you know, through extension and get

[56:35] some, but unless we do enough things to

[56:38] get a representative sample of people in

[56:41] the county, you know, we could end up

[56:43] with a bias. Um, so we could add maybe

[56:48] we print something and send it out. Um,

[56:54] with the tax bill, for example, we're

[56:56] mailing anyway. The city of Abselum has

[56:59] over the years added more things when

[57:02] they mail out the tax bill than they

[57:03] used to. And that might be just a

[57:06] paragraph in there, you know, a fourth

[57:08] of a sheet or whatever to add that when

[57:11] the tax bill goes out. And the timing

[57:12] would actually be pretty good as far as,

[57:15] you know, when people get that. And then

[57:17] we know we're covering

[57:19] a large number of people,

[57:23] you know, but it'd have to get out to

[57:25] every, you know, body with those tax

[57:27] bills.

[57:30] Other comments on this agenda item?

[57:33] If not, we'll move on to the next one

[57:35] which is 5D

[57:38] review and approval of participation

[57:40] plan. And I made a note on my copy here

[57:44] and this my note is that um

[57:48] we can vote to approve this plan as it

[57:51] is been adjusted

[57:54] and it those of us who vote in favor of

[57:56] it then have a right of moving for

[57:58] reconsideration.

[58:01] So then we could it can be moved for

[58:04] reconsideration at our next meeting. And

[58:07] so we won't be locked in completely if

[58:10] we approve this plan today, but we'll at

[58:12] least have a um a guideline to go

[58:14] forward. Um my view of the of the

[58:18] participation plan is one, it's required

[58:21] by the statute. Uh two, that this meets

[58:24] all the statutory requirements.

[58:27] uh we don't know have to need to know

[58:29] exactly who is doing which piece of this

[58:32] or which tools we're using more or less.

[58:35] That's not required. So we can meet the

[58:37] requirement of having an actual

[58:39] participation plan in place if we would

[58:42] like to approve this today. We might

[58:44] not. I did most of the work on just

[58:47] there's a lot of superolous background

[58:50] information into the Bernett County

[58:52] plan. We don't need to know the history

[58:54] of why the law requires us to do this.

[58:57] We just to know what have to say what we

[58:59] plan to do. And so that's the markup and

[59:03] I invite discussion and comment and see

[59:05] if we want to do anything with this bet.

[59:06] So if we approve this today, would the

[59:08] next version that we look at have all of

[59:10] this crossed out language out and then

[59:12] what would amount to a clean copy or

[59:15] would you bring back the same document

[59:17] or or both? There is a clean copy in the

[59:20] consolidated draft. It's the clean copy

[59:22] already. But would

[59:25] But would you Yeah. But would you only

[59:27] be bringing back the clean copy or would

[59:29] you be bringing

[59:33] You can bring back both copies when

[59:34] you're doing reconsideration there. The

[59:36] two copies have exactly the same

[59:38] wording. One's just not showing the

[59:40] deletions and one is showing the

[59:41] deletions.

[59:43] I mean, those those two

[59:46] versions are exactly the same. Yeah. As

[59:49] I kept reading, I thought, "Oh,

[59:53] it was it was redundant." I'll just say

[59:56] that. Um, anyway, I just want clarity.

[59:59] If we bring it back for reconsideration,

[1:00:01] are you talking about the entire file or

[1:00:03] are we proposing only the clean copy?

[1:00:07] Oh, so if we vote to approve this, we're

[1:00:09] voting to approve the clean copy because

[1:00:13] if you voted to approve the markedup

[1:00:15] copy, you would be approving

[1:00:18] all those deletions that are in the

[1:00:20] markedup copy. So, it amounts to exactly

[1:00:22] the same thing. Yeah, I see what he's

[1:00:23] saying. Exactly the same thing. Yeah. I

[1:00:26] didn't realize until I had waited

[1:00:27] through everything. Sorry. And um just

[1:00:29] for anybody else in case a meeting from

[1:00:32] now they decide to read things and then

[1:00:34] realizing

[1:00:39] other

[1:00:43] um do I are you um do we have to have um

[1:00:50] a plan that meets the minimum

[1:00:52] requirements of law like in place right

[1:00:54] now for any reason?

[1:00:56] Is there we should just Erica, you maybe

[1:01:00] have a little bit better understanding

[1:01:02] than I do about that. The um the

[1:01:05] timeline that Northwest Regional sent us

[1:01:08] said that we should have a plan in place

[1:01:11] this month, a public participation plan.

[1:01:15] Okay. Yeah.

[1:01:17] So then you know if with that if there's

[1:01:20] a caveat that says this is an organic

[1:01:23] document that we will be finding new

[1:01:26] ways then you can change it and adopt

[1:01:30] it. They want this is the minimum that

[1:01:32] means you're um qualified or whatever.

[1:01:36] Um, but we there's other things.

[1:01:40] I still am unsettled with a

[1:01:43] communication plan where it doesn't say

[1:01:44] when things are happening or who's doing

[1:01:46] it. But if this fits the law and the law

[1:01:48] doesn't say you better say when you're

[1:01:49] going to do it and who's doing it, then

[1:01:51] this would suffice. But knowing that

[1:01:53] this is an organic thing and we're going

[1:01:55] to keep adopting it. I mean, we're going

[1:01:57] to have a radio station on that is

[1:02:00] located in downtown Ashlin by the end of

[1:02:03] this year. So, I would want something at

[1:02:04] some point that says part of our actual

[1:02:07] plan that we're going to enact involves

[1:02:09] radio programming where members of the

[1:02:12] community or this committee come on and

[1:02:14] talk about what we're doing and why it's

[1:02:16] important and that kind of thing. You

[1:02:18] know, if if we can make this adaptable

[1:02:21] and organic and change it as we go,

[1:02:24] cool. Then let's vote for this. Then we

[1:02:26] check off the box for the law. But this

[1:02:30] is not like a plan that's drivable

[1:02:34] yet. Does that make sense? It says right

[1:02:36] it says right in the plan and taken

[1:02:39] right out of the Bernett County plan uh

[1:02:43] that there will be changes that this is

[1:02:46] this is the baseline but there will be

[1:02:48] changes as practical circumstances,

[1:02:51] funding other

[1:02:54] factors uh come about. Yeah. Does that

[1:02:56] answer your question then? Well, I when

[1:03:00] I read this, I had no expectation that

[1:03:02] all the details of how everything would

[1:03:04] happen would get done. This is a plan

[1:03:07] and then the details get fleshed out.

[1:03:10] And obviously, you're right, there's a

[1:03:11] lot of fleshing out to do on the actual

[1:03:13] details that get carried out. Um, but if

[1:03:17] you're looking for a motion to approve

[1:03:19] this and we bring back at the next

[1:03:21] meeting just the clean electronic copy

[1:03:27] so that it's both aren't in there,

[1:03:31] you know, then it's just a clean copy. I

[1:03:34] would make that motion to approve the

[1:03:36] clean copy of the public participation

[1:03:39] plan.

[1:03:45] That's your motion.

[1:03:48] I think that that there already is a

[1:03:50] clean copy, Pat. Do you know that? Well,

[1:03:55] I just don't want to see in the packet

[1:03:56] all the pages with the crossed out stuff

[1:03:59] next time. So that when we put the

[1:04:01] packet in next time, we're only looking

[1:04:03] at the clean copy.

[1:04:08] It's in the packet. It's It's already

[1:04:11] there. If you click on just that one,

[1:04:13] you don't see the other one.

[1:04:16] Right. So the

[1:04:22] No, both versions are in the packet. And

[1:04:24] that's Pat's saying it's confusing

[1:04:26] because both versions are in the packet

[1:04:27] and only wants the one for the next

[1:04:30] meeting. Only the clean copy in the Do

[1:04:32] we need it in the packet that the next

[1:04:34] meeting? Well, George, in case someone

[1:04:36] for reconsideration, if you vote in the

[1:04:38] majority, you can bring it back for

[1:04:39] reconsideration. He wants the

[1:04:41] opportunity for someone to bring it back

[1:04:43] for reconsideration if someone decides

[1:04:45] they want to make some changes at the

[1:04:46] next meeting. And when you bring it back

[1:04:48] for reconsideration, it has to be at the

[1:04:50] very next meeting after it was approved.

[1:04:53] Um otherwise that opportunity lapse

[1:04:56] after the next meeting, right? And

[1:04:58] reconsideration can only be moved by

[1:05:00] someone who voted in favor of the plan

[1:05:02] to begin with. At the next meeting. At

[1:05:04] the next meeting.

[1:05:07] A motion. There's a motion made to

[1:05:10] approve

[1:05:12] uh the Ashlin County comprehensive plan

[1:05:16] for public participation plan as

[1:05:18] presented. Is there a second? I I'll

[1:05:22] second that. There's a second. So now

[1:05:24] for discussion, Erica, do you have a

[1:05:25] comment? There are a few highlighted

[1:05:27] areas in the clean copy around a couple

[1:05:31] of different things like around the

[1:05:32] issue of the email address whether we

[1:05:35] insert postal addresses these sorts of

[1:05:38] things. So I think if and when we bring

[1:05:41] it back perhaps we say you know adopted

[1:05:45] on this state edited and updated on

[1:05:50] whatever later all the later dates that

[1:05:52] we that we do that.

[1:05:54] which sounds fine to me. I mean the that

[1:05:58] email address and

[1:06:00] um postal address are not a legal

[1:06:02] requirement but I they should be in our

[1:06:05] final version and so I think that would

[1:06:07] come back under reconsideration.

[1:06:09] So the one hesitance that I have on this

[1:06:14] plan is that like there's I think seven

[1:06:16] stages. Um and there's basically a

[1:06:19] public meeting in each of those stages

[1:06:22] and we're now

[1:06:26] uh I guess 18 months from needing to

[1:06:28] adopt it. Are we going to be able to

[1:06:30] have at least seven different public

[1:06:33] meetings that address these in this next

[1:06:37] 18 months?

[1:06:39] Well, it's pretty easy to have a public

[1:06:41] meeting. This is this is officially open

[1:06:44] to the public right now. Well, I thought

[1:06:45] there something that there was a time

[1:06:48] frame on the amount of time for noticing

[1:06:50] it. And maybe that was just the hearing

[1:06:53] and not the meeting, but I

[1:06:57] public hearing. The public hearing has

[1:06:59] that and there's only one public

[1:07:00] hearing, I think.

[1:07:02] Um,

[1:07:05] right. There's a public hearing required

[1:07:07] after the the plan has been written in

[1:07:11] its final form or in its preliminary

[1:07:14] final form so the public can object or

[1:07:17] or approve or suggest changes before it

[1:07:20] goes to the accounting board for final

[1:07:22] approval.

[1:07:26] Um I just I don't know what the it for

[1:07:29] the public meetings. It just says uh at

[1:07:32] a minimum the requirements of stat state

[1:07:35] statute 19.31 pertaining to public

[1:07:37] meetings and notification will be met. I

[1:07:39] don't know what the minimum is but

[1:07:41] that's like seven and 30. If it's 30

[1:07:45] days with the minimum public notice on

[1:07:49] that 30 days, seven, we're really

[1:07:51] pushing getting seven meetings in.

[1:07:56] If it's only two, if it's only 10 days

[1:07:59] notice, we can probably get it. But I

[1:08:00] mean, if you're talking seven of the

[1:08:02] months to get I mean, yeah, I guess we

[1:08:04] could do seven months in a row, but

[1:08:06] we're not in those stages then. Mhm.

[1:08:10] So I don't know what state statute 19.31

[1:08:13] mayor Joe requires for Morango. We're

[1:08:16] our comprehensive plan. We meet monthly

[1:08:19] and um the Northwest Regional Planning

[1:08:23] Commission when they get started on

[1:08:24] this, they'll start scheduling those

[1:08:26] meetings and helping to get those

[1:08:29] organized. And then once you come up

[1:08:30] with a draft plan, then that gets posted

[1:08:34] for public review and the public has 30

[1:08:37] days to review it before the final

[1:08:41] hearing and that's where they would

[1:08:42] offer comments or support and that sort

[1:08:45] of thing. But that class one public

[1:08:47] notice is is at the end when you

[1:08:51] actually have something to review and

[1:08:53] they that has to be notified 30 days

[1:08:57] before the public hearing but that's

[1:09:00] only a one-time event.

[1:09:04] But Brad, were you talking about public

[1:09:06] meetings? Public meetings that each

[1:09:08] stage has a public meeting and the

[1:09:10] public hearing is in stage seven. But

[1:09:12] like stage six, it says open house and

[1:09:16] public meeting. That's two events that

[1:09:18] have to be publicly noticed. And I don't

[1:09:20] know what 19.31

[1:09:23] what the minimum. I I just don't want to

[1:09:25] put us in a bind with that. We got to

[1:09:28] like go ahead and notice the first

[1:09:30] meeting when we're not ready for that

[1:09:31] first meeting yet.

[1:09:35] Well, what is are we required to have

[1:09:37] seven meetings? Is that what you're

[1:09:38] saying? that that's what I'm saying is

[1:09:39] do we want each stage to have a public

[1:09:42] meeting as as something that's in here?

[1:09:45] That's what like that seems like maybe a

[1:09:48] lot but maybe I'm but maybe like Mary

[1:09:51] Joe said monthly meetings we just

[1:09:53] schedule them and and then go and we got

[1:09:56] we just hit the seven seven months

[1:09:59] leading into 30 days. Basically what

[1:10:03] will happen is you'll have a meeting

[1:10:05] related to each topic like there'll be a

[1:10:07] meeting for agriculture cultural and

[1:10:09] natural resources and at the meeting

[1:10:12] then Northwest Regional Planning

[1:10:15] Commission would review the background

[1:10:17] elements the maps the items that were in

[1:10:20] the previous plan and then for that

[1:10:23] second piece that Lisa referenced early

[1:10:26] on that's the policy part and that's

[1:10:30] where you would mention the goals goals

[1:10:32] related to agriculture, cultural

[1:10:34] resources and natural resources in the

[1:10:36] previous plan were this and here were

[1:10:40] the activities or the objectives.

[1:10:43] Are these still relevant? What things

[1:10:45] should we cross off and then that's

[1:10:48] where that is the public meeting so

[1:10:51] people could attend that and weigh in.

[1:10:53] Then doing that, we just went from seven

[1:10:56] to 27 or 28. Um maybe even more because

[1:11:02] this this each stage of this plan

[1:11:07] has stage two is data collection and

[1:11:09] analysis. Okay, that's easy. But that

[1:11:11] means seven meetings because we have

[1:11:13] seven sections. And then issue

[1:11:15] identification, that's another seven

[1:11:17] meetings. And then develop goals and

[1:11:20] objective, another seven meetings. And

[1:11:22] then strategy development, another seven

[1:11:24] meetings. And then if we do it by each

[1:11:27] one, I think we want to group them all

[1:11:28] and have meetings. Not we because that's

[1:11:31] a lot of meetings to to to have. If

[1:11:34] we're going to have monthly meetings

[1:11:37] and go through these stages

[1:11:41] um that are listed is

[1:11:44] we that's my concern is the way this is

[1:11:47] listed. It's a lot of meetings depending

[1:11:49] on how we're going to do it.

[1:11:52] I think it will help you get to the

[1:11:54] guidance part from the regional planning

[1:11:56] commission. I agree. We have the scope

[1:11:59] of work from Northwest Regional

[1:12:01] Planning. The timeline listed within the

[1:12:05] last three pages of the scope of work

[1:12:08] lists seven meetings

[1:12:11] and they're calling it steering

[1:12:14] committee meetings, but it's about each

[1:12:17] of those seven sections.

[1:12:20] And I believe this is what they mean by

[1:12:24] open meetings, right? So this meeting is

[1:12:26] an open meeting. And so each of these

[1:12:28] seven things will be talked about in

[1:12:29] this meeting, open to the public. And

[1:12:31] then the last one is actually steering

[1:12:34] committee meeting eight. Consider public

[1:12:38] comment, draft plan finalization,

[1:12:40] approve resolution.

[1:12:42] Um so all of those come together but

[1:12:45] they then they also sorry in public

[1:12:48] meeting seven say month 1213

[1:12:53] um should sort of be our public

[1:12:55] openhouse and discussion around all of

[1:12:59] it

[1:13:01] and that would be your public hearing

[1:13:03] most likely. Right.

[1:13:06] Yes. So, she's exactly correct and

[1:13:09] that's sort of what I was trying to

[1:13:10] describe.

[1:13:13] Other comments or discussion on the

[1:13:16] motion that is on the floor?

[1:13:19] I will add my thought on this section

[1:13:22] that Brad is referring to

[1:13:25] at the end of this uh plan document

[1:13:30] which is public participation plan

[1:13:33] planning stage and adoption process.

[1:13:36] I I take this as a guideline

[1:13:39] uh that some of these things are going

[1:13:41] to happen concurrently. Yeah. Uh

[1:13:45] this is kind of an outline kind of a

[1:13:47] checklist rather than a prescriptive of

[1:13:50] a lockstep pattern to follow and that's

[1:13:53] my interpretation of this. Other

[1:13:55] comments that was exactly my question.

[1:13:58] Is this part of the minimum required by

[1:14:01] the state law this whole section?

[1:14:04] because I also thought it was a

[1:14:05] checklist. Like if you look at the

[1:14:07] pre-planning, I mean, we've already met

[1:14:10] multiple times on all of that. So, is

[1:14:12] this just like here's your to-do list,

[1:14:14] make sure you're checking off this

[1:14:16] stuff, or is this part of the minimum

[1:14:18] required by the end of June that Erica

[1:14:21] mentioned earlier? We want to have a

[1:14:23] public participation plan by the end of

[1:14:24] June. Is that part of the state

[1:14:26] requirements? Okay, here is the state

[1:14:29] requirement.

[1:14:31] The governing body of a local

[1:14:33] governmental unit shall adopt written

[1:14:35] procedures that are designed to foster

[1:14:38] public participation,

[1:14:40] including open discussion, communication

[1:14:42] programs, information services, and

[1:14:45] public meetings for which advanced

[1:14:47] notice has been provided in every stage

[1:14:50] of the preparation of a comprehensive

[1:14:52] plan. The written procedures shall

[1:14:55] provide for wide distribution of

[1:14:57] proposed, alternative, and amended

[1:14:59] elements of a comprehensive plan and

[1:15:01] shall provide an opportunity for written

[1:15:03] comments on the plan to be submitted by

[1:15:06] members of the public to the governing

[1:15:08] body and for the governing body to

[1:15:10] respond to such comments. That's the

[1:15:12] requirement. There's a lot of

[1:15:14] flexibility in how you go about meeting

[1:15:16] the requirement.

[1:15:19] So everything after that paragraph that

[1:15:21] you read on page two of our notes,

[1:15:24] everything after that is like Cadillac

[1:15:27] stuff.

[1:15:28] You you those are those are the guidance

[1:15:31] basically that originally came from

[1:15:33] Northwest Regional Planning for for

[1:15:34] Brunett as to how to meet those

[1:15:38] requirements. So it flushes out a whole

[1:15:40] lot more than the the really you could

[1:15:44] do do this on a really bare bones basis

[1:15:46] if you had to. So what I'm trying to um

[1:15:50] ascertain then is the idea that there's

[1:15:53] quote seven meetings or a certain number

[1:15:55] of meetings that is all like Bernett

[1:15:58] County and and us what we think and

[1:16:01] regional planning and their experience

[1:16:03] but there's nothing that says you have

[1:16:05] to have this many meetings in these

[1:16:07] stages. All of that is like supportive

[1:16:09] documentation for being effective but

[1:16:13] it's not like required. So, uh, once we

[1:16:17] have the expertise of Northwest Regional

[1:16:18] Planning on board, which we don't

[1:16:20] actually have yet, uh, but I would say

[1:16:23] it is

[1:16:25] my interpretation that you can meet this

[1:16:29] requirement in a lot of different ways

[1:16:32] and this is the guidance basically that

[1:16:35] Northwest Regional Planning has in their

[1:16:38] playbook for how a county can go about

[1:16:40] meeting the requirement. The other

[1:16:42] requirement are the legal notice

[1:16:44] requirements which stand for all of our

[1:16:46] public type of meetings and hearings of

[1:16:48] their different categories. And it does

[1:16:50] stipulate that for that final

[1:16:52] comprehensive review that we meet that

[1:16:54] 30-day requirement. Yeah, but I think

[1:16:56] it's just for that final one. Other

[1:16:58] discussion.

[1:17:02] Yeah, I I I agree. I'm just saying it

[1:17:05] seems like in the that public

[1:17:07] participation plan by planning stage and

[1:17:09] adoption. It seems like we're

[1:17:12] separating things that are going to get

[1:17:14] grouped and I don't I just don't like

[1:17:16] that. Simplicity straight to the point

[1:17:18] is what it should be. We don't need

[1:17:19] seven stages if we're not going to go

[1:17:21] through each stage sequentially in my my

[1:17:24] mind. That's that's what I like. Seven

[1:17:27] stages is great if you're going to go

[1:17:29] through them sequentially, but if we're

[1:17:31] just going to go through them all kind

[1:17:33] of at once,

[1:17:35] then why have seven stages? Why not just

[1:17:38] say, "Here's what we're going to do." Be

[1:17:39] direct that. I I hate this. Oh, we're

[1:17:42] going to do it all flowery, but we're

[1:17:44] not. We're going to do it. And so, I

[1:17:46] don't think we need the seven stages if

[1:17:48] we're not going to go through the seven

[1:17:50] stages.

[1:17:52] So, each section, Brad, or each stage?

[1:17:55] Nope. Nope. Nope. May uh Mayor Joe, I

[1:17:58] don't think you have the actual

[1:18:00] document. It it's what's on the screen

[1:18:02] there. If you scroll down, there are

[1:18:04] stages of the public participation. It

[1:18:07] has nothing to do with the the different

[1:18:09] sections. It's how we're going to get

[1:18:11] the information to write the plan and

[1:18:14] part of it is, you know, writing the

[1:18:16] plan. So, there's stages there. Yeah.

[1:18:19] like the I agree the data collection

[1:18:21] analysis stage that's what Northwest

[1:18:23] regional planning is doing for us that

[1:18:25] that that can stay there but if we're

[1:18:28] going to do issue identification and

[1:18:30] develop goals and objective in one

[1:18:33] meeting then why have two stages

[1:18:36] because you only do it for one topic

[1:18:38] like agriculture cultural and natural

[1:18:40] resources they it takes about 90 minutes

[1:18:44] to present the background information

[1:18:46] and go through goals and activities and

[1:18:48] that then we don't need two different

[1:18:50] stages to say issue identification and

[1:18:53] develop goals and objectives. That can

[1:18:54] be one stage.

[1:18:57] That's that's what I'm saying is we have

[1:18:59] seven stages

[1:19:01] of strategy development. Is that part of

[1:19:05] these meetings? The meeting is going to

[1:19:07] be strategy development, develop goals

[1:19:09] and uh objectives, issue identification.

[1:19:13] Is that what the meeting is going to do

[1:19:16] is all three stages? Then why do we have

[1:19:18] three separate stages for it?

[1:19:21] Because to me to me if we're going to

[1:19:25] come together and say we're going today

[1:19:28] we're going to do strategy development

[1:19:29] then we need to separate that out. But

[1:19:31] if we're going to do issues and

[1:19:33] opportunities or goals and objectives

[1:19:36] and strategy all in the same meeting

[1:19:39] they don't need to be separate stages.

[1:19:40] It confuses things. And if I see this,

[1:19:42] I'm like, wait, why are we talking about

[1:19:46] uh existing and develop new strategies

[1:19:49] to meet the goals and objectives? We

[1:19:50] haven't even talked about the goals and

[1:19:51] objectives yet. Let us digest that. And

[1:19:54] so I think we want to merge these stages

[1:19:57] into something. Erica, it does seem like

[1:20:01] it would simplify things if we

[1:20:06] uh consolidated the language and made

[1:20:10] the scope of work from NWRPC

[1:20:14] coordinate with the public participation

[1:20:16] plan, right? So that we're using the

[1:20:19] same terms and then we can refer to this

[1:20:21] the months if we don't have dates yet,

[1:20:24] we can refer to the month that this is

[1:20:26] going to happen in the timeline.

[1:20:29] Um because I think that would that would

[1:20:31] pull together what Brad wants and then

[1:20:34] also keep us on track for what Northwest

[1:20:37] Regional Planning is considering. Other

[1:20:41] comments and discussion.

[1:20:43] Pat,

[1:20:45] I never interpreted that as you had to

[1:20:48] have a separate meeting for every stage.

[1:20:50] I interpret that as you could lump them

[1:20:53] together as it seemed to work.

[1:20:55] I I understand that interpretation, but

[1:20:58] it just why not lump it together? If

[1:21:00] we're going to do it one way, why not

[1:21:02] just do it that way instead of saying

[1:21:04] because if I'm a member of the public,

[1:21:05] I'm I say, well, I want to I care about

[1:21:08] making sure I'm part of the public

[1:21:10] participation for goals and objectives,

[1:21:11] but I don't care about how we're going

[1:21:13] to get to them. Well, I think it's go

[1:21:15] back to the statute that George read

[1:21:16] from the state. There's this paragraph

[1:21:18] that gives you a broad outline and then

[1:21:20] the state doesn't say here's the gory

[1:21:22] details. They leave that to you because

[1:21:24] everybody's going to have their own

[1:21:25] version. And I think the same thing is

[1:21:27] here. They just articulated the things

[1:21:29] they wanted you to get through or but

[1:21:32] then leave it to us to decide how much

[1:21:35] to lump. You know, we might think we

[1:21:36] could lump three things together.

[1:21:37] Somebody else might think they could

[1:21:39] lump two. Depends on how things go. And

[1:21:41] then and we just do it. I that's what I

[1:21:43] just say is do it from the get-go. If

[1:21:46] we're planning on only having seven

[1:21:49] meetings, that's going to cover those

[1:21:51] three of those stages each time each

[1:21:54] time, then let's only have one stage for

[1:21:57] those three stages. And I think it's too

[1:21:59] early for us to decide if we want or

[1:22:02] not. Let me bring this back to chair. I

[1:22:03] want to ask Gary, if you're online, if

[1:22:05] you have an observation,

[1:22:11] I had to unmute my speaker. Um, my only

[1:22:15] concern, I'll sound like a broken

[1:22:18] record, is at the very beginning of this

[1:22:20] letter, it says reviewed by everybody.

[1:22:24] Has this been thoroughly reviewed by all

[1:22:27] of us and um, Northwest Regional

[1:22:30] Planning? Because the very first

[1:22:31] sentence in this, go to back to page

[1:22:34] one, says reviewed by everyone.

[1:22:40] It says right there, prepared and

[1:22:42] reviewed by Ashen County and Northwest

[1:22:44] Regional Planning.

[1:22:47] I think we're reviewing it now.

[1:22:56] The the very top about who who put it

[1:22:59] in.

[1:23:01] Um well

[1:23:04] this document

[1:23:06] tape was provided by Northwest Regional

[1:23:09] Planning and they basically

[1:23:12] this document was basically written by

[1:23:15] Northwest Regional Planning in its

[1:23:17] unmarkedup form by Northwest Re for

[1:23:20] Bernett County. So I think when we're

[1:23:23] talking about this this outline which is

[1:23:25] basically just kind of a a timeline

[1:23:29] it's broken into like these stages but

[1:23:31] it's basically just a time a sequencing

[1:23:33] of what happens in a certain order but

[1:23:36] you know I understand this is basically

[1:23:38] being the prescription given by

[1:23:41] Northwest Regional Planning. Now they

[1:23:43] were invited to participate today but I

[1:23:45] guess they were unable to do so. Um

[1:23:49] so my view is

[1:23:53] my preference would be to go ahead uh uh

[1:23:56] to approve this as presented subject to

[1:23:59] recision at our next meeting. Um

[1:24:02] hopefully we'll have Northwest Regional

[1:24:05] Planning in online between now and the

[1:24:08] next meeting and uh we can bring it back

[1:24:11] for further discussion. But we'll have

[1:24:14] because if if we want to rewrite this,

[1:24:15] someone actually has to rewrite it.

[1:24:18] And

[1:24:20] if if seven of us rewrote it, we all end

[1:24:23] up with different rewrites, right? So

[1:24:26] I'm more comfortable just sticking with

[1:24:28] the way that it was originally

[1:24:29] presented, I think, by Northwest

[1:24:32] Regional Planning for Bernett and we

[1:24:35] should just maybe consider a guideline.

[1:24:38] Any other discussion? Lisa, one thing as

[1:24:41] we've been all talking about this is I

[1:24:43] really and I know they were invited for

[1:24:46] today, but I really feel like we need

[1:24:47] regional planning. I'm not sure when

[1:24:50] they come on as the paid partner because

[1:24:53] I think they could answer a lot of these

[1:24:55] right off the bat. You know, like we

[1:24:57] were waiting to before we got them

[1:24:59] because they're waiting for the grant um

[1:25:01] announcement, but we know we got the

[1:25:03] 50,000 and then we know the county is

[1:25:05] going to put in 25 right in the finance

[1:25:07] committee. So, they got 75,000. I I

[1:25:10] would love to know when they are coming

[1:25:12] in to just sort of say, "Here, you guys

[1:25:15] are the keepers. You're the experts."

[1:25:17] Not that we're going to turn the whole

[1:25:19] key over to them, but Okay. Point of

[1:25:21] order. We're on discussion for the

[1:25:23] approval of this participation plan

[1:25:25] right now. The next agenda item will

[1:25:27] address the question of Northwest

[1:25:29] Regional Planning. It just makes it

[1:25:31] harder to decide how to deal with this

[1:25:33] issue without knowing when we get access

[1:25:35] to their input. Pat. So, if I remember

[1:25:39] right, we were supposed to approve this

[1:25:41] in the month of June. So, we're in June.

[1:25:44] And I take it that if it's approved and

[1:25:46] you vote in the affirmative, you'll

[1:25:47] choose to bring it back for

[1:25:48] reconsideration at the next meeting,

[1:25:50] which gives us time. Um, which is you

[1:25:53] and perhaps some others to talk to

[1:25:55] Northwest Regional Planning to clarify

[1:25:57] some of the things in yellow or other

[1:26:00] adjustments we might make or just to

[1:26:03] better understand the things that we

[1:26:04] have latitude to modify later without

[1:26:06] any ill effects and as we go through the

[1:26:09] planning process. So, it seems like we

[1:26:13] need to approve this and if it's brought

[1:26:16] back for reconsideration, we can tweak

[1:26:17] it. We'll have more information before

[1:26:19] the next meeting as you communicate with

[1:26:21] Northwest and then we'll be done with

[1:26:24] it, you know, or at least a version

[1:26:26] that's meets our requirements, but yet

[1:26:28] we can modify.

[1:26:30] Further discussion, comments on this

[1:26:33] motion to approve this uh public

[1:26:37] participation plan as presented subject

[1:26:39] to reconsideration at our next meeting.

[1:26:43] If there's no further discussion, all

[1:26:45] those in favor, please say I. I. I. I.

[1:26:48] Any opposed? Any abstensions? So, the

[1:26:52] motion is carried and we move on to our

[1:26:54] next agenda item. Thank goodness.

[1:26:57] Okay, I can answer Lisa's question from

[1:27:00] previous if you'd like me to. I can

[1:27:02] answer Lisa's question. Okay. So, um

[1:27:05] that was hanging.

[1:27:14] We are now a discussion at discussion

[1:27:16] action item E5E,

[1:27:19] review of Northwest Regional Planning

[1:27:21] Scope of Work. Uh Erica,

[1:27:24] uh so we do not have a signed contract

[1:27:29] with so just as the update on the grant,

[1:27:31] they cannot actually bill ours until we

[1:27:35] have right the signed contract. This

[1:27:38] whole CDBG Decker thing takes a lot

[1:27:42] longer than even I imagined. So, there

[1:27:44] was the pre-aggreement which they

[1:27:47] required like 15 more documents from us.

[1:27:51] That was sent to them two weeks ago.

[1:27:54] They sent me back, but I've I've been

[1:27:58] gone for the past week. They did send me

[1:27:59] back right as I was leaving the

[1:28:05] draft of a final agreement. I spent

[1:28:09] today reviewing the final agreement. We

[1:28:12] have a couple of minor details going

[1:28:14] back and forth. We should be able to

[1:28:16] finalize that by tomorrow, get that back

[1:28:17] to them, but then it has to go to at

[1:28:19] least three other departments within

[1:28:21] Decker and their financial department to

[1:28:24] get fully approved.

[1:28:26] Then I believe we might have a semifinal

[1:28:30] contract that then we sign and then we

[1:28:32] send back and then maybe we get a

[1:28:34] contract. So that's all to say

[1:28:38] I believe that they are not uh

[1:28:44] logging hours but they know that this is

[1:28:47] coming. Um and Northwest Regional

[1:28:51] Planning had planned for month four. So

[1:28:53] we're in month two of what their

[1:28:55] original schedule is. So month four or

[1:28:58] August would be their steering committee

[1:29:02] meeting one. And so that would be where

[1:29:06] they present plan, update, overview,

[1:29:08] issues and opportunities roundtable and

[1:29:11] then the update narrative of

[1:29:14] demographics, housing and transportation

[1:29:16] pieces of that. So that would be August

[1:29:19] I believe

[1:29:25] to approve that final contract that

[1:29:28] comes out.

[1:29:30] I don't believe so. Yeah. I'm I think

[1:29:35] the board at our meeting would have been

[1:29:37] I think the end of March that we

[1:29:39] approved already approved I think we're

[1:29:41] preapproved the acceptance of of the

[1:29:44] award as well

[1:29:48] that

[1:29:50] yeah

[1:29:55] other discussion on the scope of work

[1:29:59] uh oh that's the next item okay is it

[1:30:01] yeah E is yeah review northwest regional

[1:30:05] planning scope of work

[1:30:08] and then it goes together with F which

[1:30:10] is working relationship and scheduling

[1:30:12] with Northwest regional planning because

[1:30:13] I had been hoping that perhaps a

[1:30:15] representative would be on the call

[1:30:16] today but they are not. I uh had a

[1:30:19] comment on scope of work. I think it's a

[1:30:22] might be a subject worthy of some

[1:30:24] discussion.

[1:30:25] um in the first paragraph. Hey, do we

[1:30:29] have that online because I don't

[1:30:31] remember seeing in the packet and I

[1:30:32] thought it was in an email but then I

[1:30:34] can't find that email. So I don't

[1:30:38] Okay, we just have the cover sheet. Do

[1:30:40] we have anything on that element? It's 5

[1:30:44] E and 5F. Yeah, it's it's not it's not

[1:30:47] in the packet.

[1:30:50] Yeah, if you just put it up on. So, I'll

[1:30:53] just read you the the first paragraph in

[1:30:56] their scope of work here, which is

[1:30:58] pretty reasonable document. I only have

[1:31:00] one thing that I think is worth

[1:31:01] discussion. So, it says Ashlin County

[1:31:04] adopted it current comprehensive plan

[1:31:06] volume one background document volume

[1:31:08] two vision and goals in 2016

[1:31:12] as required by Wisconsin statute 66.1.

[1:31:17] The plan must be updated every 10 years.

[1:31:19] This update will revise data, maps,

[1:31:22] forecasts, narrative, vision, and

[1:31:25] implementation strategies to reflect

[1:31:27] current conditions and long-term goals.

[1:31:30] Now, this is where I wanted to focus

[1:31:33] that guide growth and development over

[1:31:36] the next 20 years.

[1:31:38] And I believe that word growth merits

[1:31:42] discussion along the way.

[1:31:45] Uh

[1:31:47] so there's a lot of interest in this

[1:31:49] area. Uh there's visible interest in

[1:31:51] what we call sustainability

[1:31:54] and sustainability is a little bit more

[1:31:58] um nuanced than the word growth

[1:32:02] and economic growth has been kind of a

[1:32:04] business mantra for the past half

[1:32:06] century the United States

[1:32:09] but I think there are views that it's

[1:32:11] not always constructive growth.

[1:32:14] uh that was reflected in the reaction to

[1:32:16] the idea of changing Apossible National

[1:32:18] Lake Shores to a national park. I think

[1:32:21] that was just sort of a piece of

[1:32:22] evidence that people

[1:32:24] don't want to necessarily have a form of

[1:32:26] growth that's going to be

[1:32:30] perceived negatively or experienced

[1:32:32] negatively. So I just wanted to say that

[1:32:35] maybe what we ought to be thinking about

[1:32:37] is constructive development and

[1:32:39] sustainability

[1:32:40] and not just

[1:32:43] growth per se. And I don't know if

[1:32:45] anybody else has a comment on that. I

[1:32:46] just wanted to bring that up and I think

[1:32:48] it'll be a discussion item along the

[1:32:50] way. Other thoughts on this agenda item?

[1:32:55] Uh Pat,

[1:32:57] I think you make some good points there

[1:32:59] that I agree with and I won't be labor.

[1:33:02] Um the words development, you know,

[1:33:06] carries a connotation and certainly

[1:33:08] growth has implications are often

[1:33:10] measured in terms of an economic sense.

[1:33:12] Um

[1:33:14] you know, planning for future changes.

[1:33:18] You know, a word that's neutral in terms

[1:33:20] of economic value, you know, that growth

[1:33:22] has. But even the word development um at

[1:33:25] our last farmland preservation meeting,

[1:33:28] we had talked about parcel sizes in the

[1:33:31] county and that was on our zoning

[1:33:32] committee meeting um a week or two ago

[1:33:35] and I've asked staff to send me the

[1:33:36] electronic copy so I can send that to

[1:33:38] the farmland preservation group. But

[1:33:40] just this word development, you know, in

[1:33:42] my mind what I see is, you know, a 40

[1:33:44] and something carving out in the woods

[1:33:46] and sticking something there. they call

[1:33:48] that development but you know it carries

[1:33:51] a negative connotation um you know when

[1:33:54] you see it done in certain ways. So

[1:33:58] you know I would just you know change is

[1:34:00] future changes and then stay away from

[1:34:03] those words that

[1:34:06] go back to the economic model of we're

[1:34:09] going to use our natural resources and

[1:34:12] try to make money.

[1:34:14] I don't know. We If Gary is still

[1:34:16] online,

[1:34:20] I don't know if you're still there,

[1:34:21] Gary. Yep, I'm here. So, since you have

[1:34:24] the the economic development element, do

[1:34:28] you have thoughts on this question?

[1:34:36] Well,

[1:34:39] what one of the problems with is going

[1:34:43] to be economic development is just

[1:34:46] where's the business and then the

[1:34:48] businesses are going to ask us where's

[1:34:50] the people?

[1:34:53] And so it it's going to be a tough

[1:34:57] issue because

[1:34:59] um businesses need people and we don't

[1:35:02] seem to have them right now. I mean in

[1:35:04] the southern half of the county we've

[1:35:06] lost

[1:35:08] hundreds and hundreds of employees over

[1:35:10] the last 10 years. The mill in Park

[1:35:12] Falls closed. They had 700 people

[1:35:14] working there. The plant in Butternut

[1:35:16] closed. The little plant in Glidden

[1:35:18] closed. all of those jobs are gone and

[1:35:22] there's nothing coming in except

[1:35:24] tourism, but that isn't helping us uh at

[1:35:28] the moment. So the

[1:35:32] and and of course in Ash now we've got

[1:35:34] North and College as everybody's aware

[1:35:36] of. Um those jobs are gone. Um

[1:35:41] I guess as a county we have to figure

[1:35:43] out what comes first.

[1:35:47] Um if we attract businesses

[1:35:50] where are the people coming from and

[1:35:53] again where do they live

[1:35:56] and then you know how do we market

[1:35:58] ourselves to a business of any sort and

[1:36:01] say you know come to this area it's a

[1:36:03] beautiful area to live what I'm seeing

[1:36:05] where I live is a bunch of retirees like

[1:36:08] myself

[1:36:10] and that has a big effect on the schools

[1:36:13] there's no kids in our families anymore

[1:36:16] Um,

[1:36:18] I I think we have to try and figure out

[1:36:21] with some help where is the economic

[1:36:24] development in the area. I mean, we talk

[1:36:27] about little businesses, but um, we've

[1:36:31] we've changed so much. We used to have

[1:36:33] dairy farms. Dairy farms meant big

[1:36:35] families in most cases. We don't have

[1:36:38] dairy farms anymore as a majority in the

[1:36:41] county. We have beef farmers. But um so

[1:36:47] the big question for us economically is

[1:36:50] what is Ashlin County's future? Um and

[1:36:55] how do we get there? Um you know, I

[1:36:58] struggle. I live in town of Agenda and

[1:37:00] I'll brag about it. We're we have the

[1:37:02] highest medium income and I've said this

[1:37:04] before of any other town in in this

[1:37:06] county. The reason we have that is

[1:37:09] because we're all retired

[1:37:11] state teaching or federal employees.

[1:37:16] That isn't helping the county other than

[1:37:18] we might buy something once in a while.

[1:37:21] But um that's why the the plan has to

[1:37:26] somehow address

[1:37:28] how do we tout ourselves as a county for

[1:37:30] economic development but then in the

[1:37:33] back of our head say we need housing and

[1:37:35] we need people and I don't know which

[1:37:38] comes first because

[1:37:40] um if somebody big wants to come into

[1:37:43] the area and wants employees where are

[1:37:46] they coming from?

[1:37:50] I know that doesn't really answer the

[1:37:51] whole question, but it it's been my

[1:37:54] concern for a long time is, you know, u

[1:37:58] I can show you 20 houses in this area

[1:38:03] that are sitting empty because they were

[1:38:06] bought by people from out of town who

[1:38:09] use them as recreational property.

[1:38:11] That's not helping a county in the long

[1:38:13] run for people.

[1:38:20] Thank you, Alyssa. And I think you're

[1:38:23] you're really I think you all are

[1:38:26] getting to the heart of what is this

[1:38:27] visionary planning for the future and

[1:38:30] maybe these answers will tease out a

[1:38:33] little bit in conversations on that

[1:38:34] trends and issues. You know, I worked

[1:38:36] with five of the chapters with the work

[1:38:40] groups like egg and natural resources

[1:38:42] that um Pat was on transportation in

[1:38:45] there. We just we said what are the

[1:38:47] trends what's happening right now and

[1:38:49] then we said what are the issues of

[1:38:51] what's happening right now and in the

[1:38:54] future and then that led to us coming up

[1:38:57] with actions and objectives right so you

[1:39:00] use the conversation and the data and

[1:39:03] people's desires when you're looking at

[1:39:05] issues and trends to move your plan

[1:39:09] forward but you you got to have a a

[1:39:12] whole part of that conversation has to

[1:39:14] be that trends and issues and then what

[1:39:16] are your opportunities? That's where all

[1:39:18] this conversation really hits the mark

[1:39:22] and and Northwest Regional Planning, I'm

[1:39:24] sure, will have some data for us

[1:39:27] to help us tap into that. Like we all

[1:39:30] know that I keep hearing different

[1:39:32] numbers, but 40% of our current Ash

[1:39:35] County population is like people over

[1:39:37] 65. And the housing folks, Lauren Negro,

[1:39:41] says it's likely to go higher in the

[1:39:43] next 10 years. So that's a trend. What

[1:39:46] are the issues associated with that

[1:39:48] aging population? Then we decide what

[1:39:50] our actions are. Um the word I would use

[1:39:53] like I love your idea of changes whether

[1:39:56] it because growth and development those

[1:39:59] are old world terms you know like we

[1:40:02] can't just keep growing anymore like

[1:40:04] climate change says you can't just keep

[1:40:06] growing. There's a limit but maybe it's

[1:40:09] sustainable change. How do we build in

[1:40:12] actions for sustainable change? whatever

[1:40:14] that is. Um, but the actual idea of

[1:40:19] what's going to happen and how do we

[1:40:20] plan comes out of those discussions on

[1:40:22] issues and and trends.

[1:40:25] Uh, thank you, Mary. Joe, you have your

[1:40:27] hand up.

[1:40:30] Yes, thank you. Um,

[1:40:33] I mean, we we are still having growth.

[1:40:36] So, we talked about this a little bit in

[1:40:40] I'm working on the town of Moringo

[1:40:42] comprehensive plan right now and

[1:40:45] um from

[1:40:48] from the last decade we had 24% growth

[1:40:51] in the town of Moringo versus the county

[1:40:54] was 6%.

[1:40:56] So, there is still growth occurring.

[1:40:59] There's more growth in some areas.

[1:41:02] And in the town of Morango, the average

[1:41:04] age is in the 40s because we have a lot

[1:41:07] of large families with young kids. So, I

[1:41:11] mean, the important thing is we're still

[1:41:13] going to have growth and development

[1:41:15] here. And talking about development

[1:41:17] gives you the opportunity to ask

[1:41:19] yourselves, what are the things that we

[1:41:21] value about this county? What are the

[1:41:24] reasons and the lifestyles and the

[1:41:26] livelihood for why we live here? How do

[1:41:29] we want to guide that for the future to

[1:41:31] preserve those qualities for future

[1:41:33] generations?

[1:41:35] What are the sensitive areas, whether

[1:41:37] they're cultural or environmental or

[1:41:40] natural resources that we want to

[1:41:41] protect for the future? And how do we

[1:41:44] protect those? Do we need to change

[1:41:47] regulations or strengthen or how do we

[1:41:50] want to protect those features? So,

[1:41:53] those are all components of when you're

[1:41:55] talking about development.

[1:41:58] Uh, we are going to have increases in

[1:42:00] population here as the temperatures warm

[1:42:04] and people from the south move north. I

[1:42:06] already know of people from Texas and

[1:42:09] Arkansas buying houses in Ashlin for

[1:42:12] when they can't live in Texas anymore.

[1:42:15] Agriculture is going to be moving north

[1:42:17] because there's going to be parts of our

[1:42:18] country that we no longer have water

[1:42:21] resources or the ability to grow crops.

[1:42:25] And you know, we're not going to be able

[1:42:26] to answer th those issues today or in

[1:42:29] the next year, but when we talk about

[1:42:31] development, it gives us the opportunity

[1:42:33] to recognize the things that are

[1:42:35] sensitive or the things that we want to

[1:42:37] protect and to develop framework for how

[1:42:39] we're going to do that for the next 10

[1:42:41] to 20 years.

[1:42:43] That's it.

[1:42:46] Uh Pat, I like Alyssa's phrase,

[1:42:49] sustainable change. you know, the

[1:42:51] population up here was far greater a

[1:42:54] century ago, you know, with the industry

[1:42:56] that we had at that time. And this whole

[1:42:58] thing with, you know, with growth and

[1:43:00] development, there's kind of two big

[1:43:02] points in our history where that at

[1:43:03] least in recent history was after World

[1:43:05] War II when we needed a stronger

[1:43:06] industrial economy, Sputnik going up,

[1:43:09] needed more scientists and that sort of

[1:43:10] stuff. And then if you remember

[1:43:14] inflation from the late 70s, early 80s

[1:43:17] um in the presidential race of 80 um the

[1:43:20] big question was how do you deal with

[1:43:22] inflation? And the person that got

[1:43:24] elected said the way to deal with

[1:43:26] inflation is to increase the supply of

[1:43:28] goods so people won't be chasing the

[1:43:31] goods that are available because they'll

[1:43:32] understand there won't be a scarcity

[1:43:33] because there'll be more of it. So they

[1:43:35] changed the tax laws in '86 to favor the

[1:43:37] business community to produce more

[1:43:39] goods. We have been living through

[1:43:41] what's now 40 years of growth is the the

[1:43:46] holy grail in development. And it's in

[1:43:48] it's it kind of bugs me that it's so

[1:43:50] inculturated. It was a choice that was

[1:43:53] made by this country through tax policy

[1:43:55] 40 years ago that puts growth and

[1:43:58] development above all else and then the

[1:44:00] exploitation of natural resources. And

[1:44:04] so sustainable change, it doesn't mean

[1:44:06] that we don't have additional housing,

[1:44:08] but hopefully it means we're more

[1:44:10] thoughtful like infill and Ashland

[1:44:12] instead of carving up another 40, you

[1:44:14] know, that's, you know, still pristine

[1:44:16] or something. So, and it makes us think

[1:44:19] harder about these things. And it also,

[1:44:22] you know, this ever, you know, I don't

[1:44:24] know if we're going to be bigger or not

[1:44:25] in the future. The state projects us at,

[1:44:27] I think, um, 13,325

[1:44:30] people in 25 years. And I did look up

[1:44:32] their methodology for how they project

[1:44:34] growth and it is on census data

[1:44:36] including women of childbearing age and

[1:44:38] and that sort of stuff and this is

[1:44:41] before North and close. So they're

[1:44:43] projecting us to have fewer people.

[1:44:46] But this idea that if our population as

[1:44:48] a whole in this county declines and I

[1:44:51] don't know what's going to happen, so

[1:44:52] I'll say if but it shouldn't be viewed

[1:44:54] necessarily with a negative connotation.

[1:44:57] It could be that our quality of life

[1:44:59] improves because we do better at

[1:45:01] protecting what's important to us while

[1:45:04] still having a vibrant enough economy.

[1:45:07] So that part is worthwhile. In 2014, the

[1:45:10] municipality magazine, I think it was

[1:45:12] 2014, had a front page article on the

[1:45:15] communities that were growing and

[1:45:17] thriving. And it wasn't because they

[1:45:20] figured out economic development. It was

[1:45:22] because they made the community a place

[1:45:24] that people wanted to live. social

[1:45:27] things to do, good restaurants, quality

[1:45:29] of life, feeling safe. People came and

[1:45:32] they figured out what they were going to

[1:45:33] do for a living, started their business,

[1:45:35] work remotely. People figured that out,

[1:45:38] but they were there because they wanted

[1:45:40] to live there. And so that quality of

[1:45:43] life is really important. The people

[1:45:45] will come if you have that quality of

[1:45:47] life. And it turns out they will largely

[1:45:50] figure out those details of how they're

[1:45:52] going to make a living once they get

[1:45:55] there.

[1:46:00] Other discussion?

[1:46:02] We are at um

[1:46:05] the Northwest Regional Planning Scope of

[1:46:08] Work. Is there any further discussion on

[1:46:11] item 5E

[1:46:13] uh Northwest Regional Planning Scope of

[1:46:15] Work? If not, we're at item 5F, which is

[1:46:19] working relationship and scheduling with

[1:46:21] Northwest Regional Planning. Seems to be

[1:46:23] we may have discussed it. there's any

[1:46:24] further comment on the working

[1:46:26] relationship northwest regional

[1:46:28] planning. If not, we move on to item G

[1:46:32] which is

[1:46:34] uh town inputs to planning. So there is

[1:46:36] a

[1:46:38] document which I compose

[1:46:41] and so

[1:46:44] I am suggesting and see what what you

[1:46:47] all think but we have asked the um the

[1:46:51] county departments to provide input.

[1:46:55] We have asked the town the county

[1:46:59] supervisors on the committees in which

[1:47:01] they serve to request a discussion of

[1:47:05] planning ideas and issues and for that

[1:47:09] to be recorded in the minutes of the u

[1:47:12] of the committee meetings.

[1:47:14] And I would like to request send a

[1:47:16] request to the town boards in the county

[1:47:20] to do likewise to simply put on their

[1:47:23] agendas an item for discussion of

[1:47:27] comprehensive planning and to record any

[1:47:31] discussion if they actually have any in

[1:47:34] their minutes so that those minutes

[1:47:35] would document their comments and be

[1:47:37] available to us as input. So that's the

[1:47:40] uh the idea here and this is laid out in

[1:47:43] a similar idea of how they would put it

[1:47:45] on their agenda.

[1:47:47] Uh similar to way we're asking our our

[1:47:49] county committees to put it on their

[1:47:51] agendas and I know that you know some of

[1:47:54] the committees are already doing this.

[1:47:55] We have health and human services

[1:47:57] tomorrow and Clarence who chairs that

[1:48:00] committee Clarence Campbell put it you

[1:48:01] know sent out right away uh week and a

[1:48:04] half ago to put that on the agenda for

[1:48:06] the health and human services tomorrow.

[1:48:08] So is there a comment in discussion on

[1:48:10] this uh proposal?

[1:48:16] Uh listen, you had you showed me a

[1:48:19] sample like of language, didn't you? At

[1:48:23] one of the discussions we had where

[1:48:25] you're going to invite like the town

[1:48:28] chairs and the village chair to do this

[1:48:32] process that we're describing of having

[1:48:34] everybody

[1:48:41] requesting.

[1:48:47] Yeah, I love it. I think it's a great

[1:48:49] idea.

[1:48:51] Well, I think I will proceed to try to

[1:48:55] have this happen. I don't think we need

[1:48:56] a vote on it as long as there's a

[1:48:58] consensus here that this is an action we

[1:49:00] can take. If there's no further

[1:49:02] discussion on that item, I'll move on to

[1:49:04] the Oh, Pat, I was just curious. You got

[1:49:06] 2025 in there. Um, do we necessarily

[1:49:09] know from a timeline perspective if we

[1:49:11] want to limit it to 2025?

[1:49:16] Uh, well,

[1:49:18] I didn't want to overwhelm them. So, I

[1:49:20] thought you can always ask them to do it

[1:49:22] continue into 2026, but we would like to

[1:49:24] have their input before the end of the

[1:49:26] year so we can incorporate it in our in

[1:49:28] our work. So, that's why I let I'd like

[1:49:31] to have them comment before the end of

[1:49:34] 2025. So we have it as input or

[1:49:36] consideration.

[1:49:38] That was a reason for not not making a

[1:49:40] further.

[1:49:47] Well, you know, going back to Brad and

[1:49:50] and all these meetings and all this

[1:49:51] planning and all this scheduling stuff,

[1:49:53] this says 2025. We're starting with

[1:49:56] Northwest Regional Planning in August.

[1:49:58] I'm just not certain or comfortable

[1:50:01] necessarily knowing that the end of 2025

[1:50:03] is it, but we could.

[1:50:06] Okay. I don't know that we know how long

[1:50:09] we're going to gather input yet. Could I

[1:50:12] could I modify this to say 2025 and

[1:50:14] early 26? Sure. Okay.

[1:50:18] Thank you. That great suggestion. other

[1:50:21] comments.

[1:50:30] Okay, moving on to our next item then is

[1:50:36] oh well this is just a point I wanted to

[1:50:39] raise and it's a discussion item and

[1:50:40] we're we're already almost two hours so

[1:50:42] I don't want to take too much longer um

[1:50:45] but if you read this I said consider the

[1:50:48] potential for future realignment of some

[1:50:51] county board committees for greater

[1:50:53] efficienc and effectiveness. And I gave

[1:50:56] an example for example realign land

[1:50:58] conservation and forestry and w

[1:51:01] committees as a single forestry

[1:51:04] land conservation

[1:51:06] and committee and then a separate

[1:51:09] recreation parks and arts committee. So

[1:51:14] the state statute actually requires us

[1:51:17] to have a parks commissioner. Uh, so I

[1:51:20] don't think we really have that and we

[1:51:23] don't really have anything in the way of

[1:51:24] county parks. But my interest in having

[1:51:27] county parks has brought brought me to

[1:51:29] think about

[1:51:31] the idea that the planning committee can

[1:51:35] broaden its thinking to consider whether

[1:51:38] or not

[1:51:40] the county is properly organized as in

[1:51:42] its corporate functions and it committee

[1:51:44] functions. I don't think it's something

[1:51:46] we really

[1:51:48] want to wrestle with right away. I just

[1:51:51] wanted to point out that it's not out of

[1:51:53] the purview of our thinking to consider

[1:51:56] whether the county is actually organized

[1:51:58] in its most efficient way and

[1:52:00] particularly regarding committee

[1:52:01] structures.

[1:52:03] So any comments on that sub? just I was

[1:52:06] going to uh follow up with just I think

[1:52:08] it's a good idea especially because this

[1:52:11] is a standing committee now but I think

[1:52:13] we should just kind of kick this can

[1:52:15] that can down the road until after

[1:52:18] December of 2026

[1:52:21] any of that sort of thing. I think that

[1:52:22] that's what this this committee can do

[1:52:25] in the meantime of the 10-year plans. I

[1:52:28] think I I don't think we need to uh

[1:52:31] take on more than what we already have.

[1:52:34] I would like to state my concurrence

[1:52:36] with Mr. Ray's comments. And listen, I I

[1:52:39] think that makes a lot of sense and

[1:52:42] maybe since you've raised the question

[1:52:44] as we go through the next 18 months um

[1:52:47] process, this kind of thing might come

[1:52:49] up, right? Like how do we reinvent

[1:52:52] ourselves as a county governance to be

[1:52:55] more effective? So I'm thinking of a

[1:52:57] thing in a goal that says the county

[1:52:59] board should meet in different parts of

[1:53:01] the county different parts of the day

[1:53:03] and also try to involve youth. And so

[1:53:06] that if that stays as an action that

[1:53:09] might change or inform different

[1:53:13] committee structures,

[1:53:15] you know, maybe there's a engagement

[1:53:17] with youth committee or something. All

[1:53:19] I'm saying is that as we go through the

[1:53:21] next 18 months, keep your idea in mind

[1:53:24] so that when we're done, we can really

[1:53:26] look. This is a time, you know, 10

[1:53:28] years, a time for you to look at

[1:53:30] everything about your county. Yeah. This

[1:53:32] came up for me when I went down to the

[1:53:34] forestry committee meeting uh about a

[1:53:36] week ago.

[1:53:38] Uh because, you know, well, we have a

[1:53:40] recreation officer. That's a member of

[1:53:43] the sheriff's department who deals in

[1:53:44] enforcement. This is this is not someone

[1:53:47] who's planning parks and recreation and

[1:53:49] amenities for the citizens of the of the

[1:53:51] county. It s doesn't seem that

[1:53:55] recreation is well placed with forestry

[1:53:57] because the folks in forestry are

[1:53:59] experts on forestry.

[1:54:02] So that's what brought it to mind for

[1:54:03] me. But I totally agree that this is

[1:54:05] kind of a kick can down the road in

[1:54:06] thought. It's something to keep in mind

[1:54:08] as we go through the comp plan process

[1:54:10] and it's egg and extension and we no

[1:54:12] longer really are an agriculturebased

[1:54:15] committee. I'm the only one doing

[1:54:17] anything with egg or food. We could just

[1:54:20] be the extension committee.

[1:54:24] Well, well said. Uh is Mary Joe still

[1:54:26] with us? She might not she's uh Gary

[1:54:30] your thoughts if any to contribute.

[1:54:33] Well,

[1:54:35] we want to start politics. you can start

[1:54:37] them right there because I guarantee the

[1:54:39] forestry would have a lot to say about

[1:54:42] um expanding into a committee with

[1:54:45] somebody else because um but that's

[1:54:49] another topic. If you want to really get

[1:54:52] into politics, let's talk about the size

[1:54:54] of the county board.

[1:54:58] Might as well get to the hot button

[1:54:59] topics right off the bat.

[1:55:03] Again, I think we could wait until

[1:55:05] January of 2027 to start talking about

[1:55:07] this. I agree. That's after the next

[1:55:10] election. Gary

[1:55:13] Pat. Well, so the next election is in

[1:55:16] April of 2026 and then committee

[1:55:17] assignments have to be made after the

[1:55:20] election and these are two tyear terms

[1:55:22] and so if you are going to reorganize,

[1:55:25] you know, it's going to take some

[1:55:26] advanced planning just so you can make

[1:55:28] committee assignments after an election.

[1:55:30] I'm going to say from having been on

[1:55:32] land and water conservation for a couple

[1:55:35] years or is it four years already or

[1:55:38] three or whatever, I can't imagine that

[1:55:40] merging with forestry given the

[1:55:42] different things they do um and what

[1:55:45] each has on their own plate. I would

[1:55:47] agree that the parks and wreck stuff,

[1:55:50] you know, was put somewhere and it's not

[1:55:54] an easy thing. I think the bigger issue

[1:55:55] with that is as a county we, you know,

[1:55:59] having grown up in Bayfield County and

[1:56:01] used to a lot of parks over there, it's

[1:56:04] been kind of eye opening how relatively

[1:56:06] little we have in Ashlin County. And I

[1:56:09] think I think that's an important topic

[1:56:12] to address and how it gets addressed, I

[1:56:13] don't know, you know, at the moment, but

[1:56:16] it's worth addressing. and maybe the

[1:56:18] committee organization is part of why we

[1:56:21] have relatively little of that because

[1:56:23] it's just a very small piece of what a

[1:56:26] committee has on their plate. Um the

[1:56:29] other thing I would suggest is that you

[1:56:30] look at the state statutes on what

[1:56:32] committees were required to have and

[1:56:34] what their charges are because I know

[1:56:36] there's

[1:56:38] guidelines from the state on that. So,

[1:56:40] we will be limited into what we can do

[1:56:43] also. But if we really are going to do

[1:56:45] this,

[1:56:47] I think it's about a 4-year process to

[1:56:50] think it through and then make those

[1:56:51] changes and put them in place after an

[1:56:54] election. And I don't know that we have

[1:56:55] time to delve with it before 2026, but

[1:56:59] starting

[1:57:01] in April of 2026, I could see a two-year

[1:57:04] process to consider it.

[1:57:07] other comments on this subject. I I

[1:57:10] would just add I I I really think it's a

[1:57:14] long-term consideration, not any

[1:57:16] near-term kind of consideration, but

[1:57:18] something to be thought about and maybe

[1:57:21] it goes into comprehensive planning that

[1:57:22] it should be thought about. Um

[1:57:26] I'm particularly bothered that from my

[1:57:28] reading of the statute that we ought to

[1:57:30] have a parks commissioner and we don't.

[1:57:33] Um, and it's my

[1:57:37] I'd say I guess I would consider it a

[1:57:39] personal agenda that the county ought to

[1:57:43] consider development of maybe one good

[1:57:47] county park per decade over the coming

[1:57:50] years. Something, you know, central

[1:57:52] Ashlin County, something southern Ashlin

[1:57:54] County. These are real concrete services

[1:57:58] to to families who live here. if we can

[1:58:01] do it. If there are no further

[1:58:03] discussion on that topic, we move on to

[1:58:06] item five I which is publicity

[1:58:12] and I have a proposal. Um

[1:58:17] Dan isn't here today but

[1:58:20] my thought was uh we need to raise the

[1:58:23] the community awareness that this

[1:58:25] comprehensive plan process is actually

[1:58:27] taking place. So we there it's just you

[1:58:30] know if you if we interviewed 15

[1:58:33] different people down on the street

[1:58:34] right now and they say do do you know

[1:58:36] what the Ashlin County comprehensive

[1:58:37] plan is being considered they say they

[1:58:39] would say they know nothing about it. So

[1:58:42] we can think of ways to raise awareness

[1:58:44] which means we need to partic

[1:58:47] the uh participation of of our press of

[1:58:51] our newspapers and other outlets. And I

[1:58:53] thought we could make a bit of a

[1:58:55] publicity stunt planting a tree to

[1:58:57] replace our trees that have just been

[1:58:59] cut down. I don't know if anybody thinks

[1:59:01] that's a good idea or a bad idea. I'm

[1:59:03] just putting it out there. Lisa,

[1:59:06] love it. I love the idea. And I'm

[1:59:09] working on a potential project of um

[1:59:12] perennial plants as food. So, I'd love

[1:59:14] to see a little bit of rhubarb out there

[1:59:17] and asparagus and blueberry bushes. But

[1:59:20] I would start with one tree would be

[1:59:22] great because I miss those ash trees

[1:59:24] very much.

[1:59:26] Other thoughts and comments?

[1:59:29] Yeah. What kind of tree are you

[1:59:30] thinking?

[1:59:33] We might need a recommendation from the

[1:59:35] land conservation forestry.

[1:59:39] Well, on the one hand, apparently the

[1:59:41] oaks like red oak have the most food

[1:59:44] value um per tree, but then people

[1:59:47] generally don't like acorns on their

[1:59:49] lawn. But even planting that tree raises

[1:59:52] the question of a lot of things going

[1:59:54] on. You know, obviously with the ash

[1:59:57] that's changing, but some tree species

[1:59:59] are more suitable for where we're at,

[2:00:02] you know, now than they used to be. Um,

[2:00:04] so even picking that tree,

[2:00:07] I think a rationale could be stated in

[2:00:10] the context of the times we live and

[2:00:12] where we live.

[2:00:15] Right on. Makes sense to me. Other other

[2:00:17] comments.

[2:00:19] Uh, Liz, I think a nice apple tree.

[2:00:25] Maybe we can do more than one. Um, the

[2:00:28] other thing I noticed that, you know,

[2:00:29] out front there's this his history

[2:00:31] display.

[2:00:34] uh that's been sponsored by what

[2:00:35] Culver's I think

[2:00:38] and uh we might think about trying to do

[2:00:41] something similar to that that would be

[2:00:43] a display out in front of the courthouse

[2:00:45] like that to make people aware of the

[2:00:47] comprehensive plan.

[2:00:49] Um and we ought to be brainstorming

[2:00:52] other ways of of raising consciousness

[2:00:55] that this is going on because we're not

[2:00:56] going to get anybody to come to public

[2:00:58] hearings or public participation if they

[2:01:00] don't know what's going on. I really

[2:01:02] like this deal that was created for the

[2:01:07] 26 version of the

[2:01:11] that's great. I mean cost a little money

[2:01:13] to put something like this together, but

[2:01:16] you know that's a real

[2:01:18] put up on the bulletin board kind of

[2:01:20] kind of thing if we could do something

[2:01:22] like that again. Yeah.

[2:01:26] What's

[2:01:28] 2026? I got that from

[2:01:32] So, other ideas for publicity, Pat?

[2:01:36] Well, I was going to suggest instead of

[2:01:37] the the planning committee, I was going

[2:01:40] to suggest the planning committee chair

[2:01:42] because he's the chair, the county

[2:01:44] administrator,

[2:01:46] he's the administrator, the grant

[2:01:48] writer, because one important reason for

[2:01:50] having a plan is if you want to apply

[2:01:52] for grants, it's good to have it in the

[2:01:54] plan. And maybe that'll trigger some of

[2:01:56] the townships and folks to say, "Hey,

[2:01:58] I'll get more engaged than otherwise

[2:01:59] because hey, if we could apply for some

[2:02:01] grants and there's someone that might

[2:02:02] help us, that's attractive." And then I

[2:02:05] think Alyssa because she's Alyssa and

[2:02:07] she's extension and we're going to use

[2:02:10] extension to in the process and people I

[2:02:14] think often think of extension when they

[2:02:16] think of comp plans if they are familiar

[2:02:18] with this at all. So what are you

[2:02:21] signing us up to do? um to do the

[2:02:24] publicity stuff with a picture in the

[2:02:25] paper. But I seriously I think the I

[2:02:28] think that group would be strategically

[2:02:32] a good group to include. And I'll speak

[2:02:34] for myself at least. I'm not sure I

[2:02:36] would add anything to that picture that

[2:02:38] the rest of you wouldn't already add.

[2:02:42] That that's fun. And I think I my my

[2:02:45] motion is that um we should have a um

[2:02:48] beer and pizza party and come up with

[2:02:51] ideas on how to promote this. I I love

[2:02:54] the idea of a group picture because

[2:02:56] they're like, "Oh, Pat, he's represents

[2:02:58] me in the county and so does Bradley and

[2:03:01] you know all of you and that is a visual

[2:03:04] um stimulation. Plus a lot of you who

[2:03:07] are in the southern part of the county,

[2:03:09] the Glidden paper would pick that up.

[2:03:11] Morris would pick it up. melon paper,

[2:03:13] you know, I mean, you could really do

[2:03:15] something fun and jazzy even with

[2:03:17] photos, whether it's the tree

[2:03:19] eventually, but I do love the tree and

[2:03:22] actually I think three trees over the

[2:03:24] last 5 years have been cut down because

[2:03:25] we lost some pines.

[2:03:28] So my notion for the the tree publicity

[2:03:30] is that would be the pull committee and

[2:03:33] that also gives a chance to say such and

[2:03:36] such a person is leading the uh cultural

[2:03:39] resources and facilities element and

[2:03:41] such and such a person is leading the

[2:03:43] agriculture and forestry element. And so

[2:03:45] it identifies the people on the

[2:03:48] committee who and on the staff who are

[2:03:49] making contributions to this process and

[2:03:52] putting a real name and a pace to a to a

[2:03:56] an effort that the public can see. So I

[2:04:00] I'll talk to Dan about that and see if

[2:04:02] we make it happen. Pat. Well, as far as

[2:04:04] planting a tree, it's, you know, getting

[2:04:07] a little hard to come by at this point.

[2:04:10] And if you're buying one that's been

[2:04:13] bundled up and you might have a root

[2:04:15] ball that's rootbound, you know, some of

[2:04:18] these places if they don't sell a tree,

[2:04:20] they keep it another year and it's all

[2:04:21] rootbound, which isn't good as far as a

[2:04:23] survival rate of a tree. Um, so if we're

[2:04:26] going to get a tree, it's got to be we

[2:04:29] have to decide what tree and make sure

[2:04:30] it's a source where the survival rate is

[2:04:33] fairly high cuz some of these trees,

[2:04:36] there was some data out of the state

[2:04:37] forestry plan I was reading for my own

[2:04:40] stuff over the winter. I was a little

[2:04:42] surprised at the survival rates of some

[2:04:45] of these municipal trees that are

[2:04:47] planted. It's not so great. So, we want

[2:04:49] to pick the tree we want and then make

[2:04:52] sure it's a good source. we have a high

[2:04:53] chance of surviving. Maybe Chris Hoffman

[2:04:56] could give us some input on trees. I've

[2:04:59] noticed around the town just driving

[2:05:00] today that there are a number of new

[2:05:01] trees being planted around the city of

[2:05:03] Ashland and u out of Msaskki Beach uh in

[2:05:07] town here and uh in my view is you hire

[2:05:11] a nursery to bring in a a fairly large

[2:05:14] you know uh six-year-old tree and be

[2:05:19] actually do the planting of it and the

[2:05:21] committee's therefore to celebrate the

[2:05:23] planting of it rather than actually

[2:05:25] doing shovel and watering work.

[2:05:30] even though we have some experts on the

[2:05:31] committee. Uh Erica, I I would be happy

[2:05:34] to write the press release on that. Um I

[2:05:38] I think we'd want to think about the

[2:05:40] length of it. Um maybe even including,

[2:05:45] you know, if we have a finalized grant

[2:05:47] agreement. Um, if we want to list who's

[2:05:50] leading each subcommittee, then that's

[2:05:52] getting kind of long, like talking about

[2:05:54] the plan, talking about the tree,

[2:05:55] talking about the grant, talking about

[2:05:57] So, we could roll it out over a couple a

[2:06:00] couple of, you know, press releases over

[2:06:02] the next couple of months. Um, but I

[2:06:06] would also put a plug in for Mary Joe

[2:06:07] and her people in in giving us a vetted

[2:06:10] list of ideas for trees because they

[2:06:13] have the tree sale, they have the

[2:06:14] expertise. I think that's actually

[2:06:16] probably better than forestry at this

[2:06:17] point. I would suggest just in the press

[2:06:20] release refer to the a web page that has

[2:06:24] some of the information we want to do in

[2:06:25] there. Anyway, I um so I got a call from

[2:06:29] Tom Stankard yesterday who's the editor

[2:06:32] for Daily Press. He he wanted to ask me

[2:06:34] about the demon Saturday demonstration

[2:06:37] uh which I was very careful about

[2:06:38] commenting upon. But um I mentioned to

[2:06:41] him about the the comprehension plan

[2:06:43] process going on forward and we need to

[2:06:46] get ways raise public awareness and he

[2:06:48] was uh right on board with that. So I

[2:06:52] think we ought to get decent cooperation

[2:06:54] out of Lisa Daily Press. Haven't talked

[2:06:55] to anybody at Bottom line yet or some of

[2:06:57] these other publications but it's a good

[2:06:59] start.

[2:07:01] Other comments uh ideas thoughts on

[2:07:05] publicity?

[2:07:07] If not, we move on to scheduling the

[2:07:10] next meeting. I have that proposed here

[2:07:12] for July 15.

[2:07:15] Uh,

[2:07:17] it's just a pencil and date. We could

[2:07:19] see if we actually get a quorum on that

[2:07:20] date, but it seemed like a good one to

[2:07:22] me. I think that's again, it's a Tuesday

[2:07:24] at 2 o'clock in the afternoon.

[2:07:29] I I'll just let you know that uh I

[2:07:32] recently have a staff member leaving so

[2:07:35] that I'm going to be short staffed and

[2:07:36] that might mean that I'm gone uh and

[2:07:38] will not be able to make day day

[2:07:40] meetings during the month of July. So,

[2:07:42] okay, other thoughts, comments? Okay.

[2:07:45] So, I'm going to pencil that in and have

[2:07:47] that put on the calendar for now. And

[2:07:50] then I would like to also just have the

[2:07:54] the calendar pencileled in for um the

[2:07:57] second Tuesday of each month at that

[2:08:00] time and then we'll just have to work

[2:08:02] around those pencileled in dates. Is

[2:08:05] there any objection to that process?

[2:08:08] Second.

[2:08:13] Uh see is the 15th the second or the

[2:08:15] third?

[2:08:18] It isn't. Okay. Well, then I ought to go

[2:08:21] with the uh with the third, I guess. Let

[2:08:23] me look at the calendar here. Maybe I

[2:08:27] some reason.

[2:08:31] Oh, boy. See here.

[2:08:34] Uh July,

[2:08:38] August.

[2:08:48] Okay. Okay. So, the third third I'll

[2:08:50] pencil in the third then,

[2:08:54] right?

[2:08:56] Okay. Any other um

[2:08:59] discussion? We have uh item number seven

[2:09:02] is a second public comment period.

[2:09:06] Is there anybody for public comment

[2:09:08] online? Not seeing anybody. No one

[2:09:10] present. We're going to move on to item

[2:09:13] number eight, which is committee review

[2:09:16] of public comments, but there were no

[2:09:18] public comments, so I don't think we

[2:09:19] have anything to say there. Pat. Well,

[2:09:22] as far as penciling in dates, the county

[2:09:24] keeps the calendar and then as

[2:09:27] committees schedule meetings, they look

[2:09:28] at the calendar to see what's open. And

[2:09:31] so I think the question is when we're

[2:09:33] talking about penciling in, are we

[2:09:35] actually setting those in the county

[2:09:37] calendar so that this room is set aside

[2:09:40] then and we don't have other meetings

[2:09:43] potentially getting scheduled during

[2:09:45] that time? Yeah. My intention is to get

[2:09:47] them on the county calendar. So that's

[2:09:49] what pencing put them on the county

[2:09:50] calendar but for members of committee to

[2:09:52] understand that they could be they could

[2:09:55] could be changed if we need to change

[2:09:56] them. you can put it on the calendar

[2:09:58] because you you know up until a week in

[2:10:02] advance of the meeting you can change

[2:10:03] the date or you can cancel the meeting.

[2:10:08] Well,

[2:10:09] when I look at September, I've got a

[2:10:12] county board meeting that morning, but

[2:10:16] we're we're looking at meeting at 2:00

[2:10:18] in the afternoon. Sometimes finance or

[2:10:20] zoning have been meeting in the

[2:10:22] afternoon, which I'm on and Brad's on

[2:10:25] finance. Um, so if we by penciling in if

[2:10:30] if we're actually going to have on the

[2:10:31] county calendar these dates popping up

[2:10:34] then as we because right now I need to

[2:10:36] talk to Brad about scheduling a finance

[2:10:38] meeting and I need to know what's

[2:10:41] available, what isn't. Um, I mean, do we

[2:10:45] want to go out to the end of the year

[2:10:46] and and pencil, you know, on the

[2:10:49] calendar schedule the third Tuesday or

[2:10:52] what is it whatever day of the week? My

[2:10:55] my view is that um yes, I I'd like to

[2:10:58] get our bid in for these times and

[2:11:00] dates. I think um if they need to be

[2:11:03] changed that Gary could make that call

[2:11:05] about what's the priority. Uh but I I

[2:11:08] would like to uh you know raise our hand

[2:11:10] and say we we'd like to have these time

[2:11:12] slots. So the third Tuesday of each

[2:11:15] month without looking at Thanksgiving

[2:11:17] and Christmas here. Um,

[2:11:22] that's I think it works on all months

[2:11:24] actually. That's the 18th of November.

[2:11:26] It will work out really well because

[2:11:28] it's the I think the

[2:11:32] the uh county board, didn't it? They

[2:11:35] just set like the last one, the fourth

[2:11:38] except in September. It's the it's the

[2:11:41] fourth Tuesday of every month going

[2:11:43] through and so ex other than September,

[2:11:46] the third Tuesday works. I would suggest

[2:11:49] that we go ahead and think about a

[2:11:51] different time because I can't take the

[2:11:53] whole day off. We have a nine o'clock

[2:11:54] and then a two o'clock. I just can't do

[2:11:56] that. Yeah. So, I I would say September,

[2:11:58] we either go the 2nd or the 4th and uh

[2:12:03] but other than that, go ahead and do it.

[2:12:05] If I get stuff on my calendar, there's a

[2:12:07] better chance I don't schedule something

[2:12:09] else over it. There's always going to be

[2:12:11] conflicts with me, but there's a better

[2:12:14] chance that I can make it if it's on my

[2:12:15] calendar further in advance.

[2:12:18] So that's why I have to schedule my

[2:12:20] vacation

[2:12:21] into May, early June now. It's already

[2:12:24] scheduled for next year. I don't know

[2:12:25] what I'm doing, but it's already

[2:12:26] scheduled.

[2:12:30] Okay.

[2:12:36] So definitely be reconsidered at our

[2:12:38] next meeting in July that this whole

[2:12:41] idea of future meetings. Well, just I I

[2:12:43] just wanted to understand when we say

[2:12:45] pencil in in my writing on my calendar,

[2:12:47] penciling it in, but if it's not showing

[2:12:49] up on the county calendar, others could

[2:12:51] schedule a meeting sometimes of which

[2:12:53] I'm on that too. And then yeah, I list I

[2:12:57] can only be in one place at one time. I

[2:13:00] intend to put I intend to put these on

[2:13:03] the county calendar with the

[2:13:04] understanding that, you know, you can

[2:13:06] change it. Okay.

[2:13:13] comments

[2:13:19] to share.

[2:13:21] Okay, Gary comments.

[2:13:28] Sorry, summary comments. Gary, anything

[2:13:30] to be added? Uh, no, not at this time.

[2:13:33] Thank you. And Okay. your

[2:13:35] recommendations for future agenda items.

[2:13:38] Anybody have something they specifically

[2:13:40] want to put on the agenda? Lisa, can we

[2:13:42] roll over that one about your um photo

[2:13:46] op? Because that'll be a July meeting

[2:13:49] with regional planning coming on in

[2:13:51] August that might be a nice prepper. And

[2:13:53] then maybe in August when regional

[2:13:56] planning comes on there's something else

[2:13:57] jazzy that you could do part two or

[2:14:01] you know

[2:14:03] other suggestions for future agenda.

[2:14:05] Erica I would just suggest that we stick

[2:14:08] to the calendar um the the scope of work

[2:14:12] has month three as setup plan update web

[2:14:16] page. So maybe we

[2:14:18] work toward that and make sure that that

[2:14:21] is on board by the next meeting. Uh it

[2:14:24] also adds engage local units of

[2:14:27] government

[2:14:28] and then issue press releases announcing

[2:14:31] plan.

[2:14:32] Um so we're we are doing all of that but

[2:14:36] maybe just make sure that we've we've

[2:14:38] worked toward it and then we're kind of

[2:14:40] checking it off at that meeting.

[2:14:46] So, get your haircuts the day before the

[2:14:48] meeting. Any other uh suggestions for

[2:14:51] the next meeting? Uh if not, can I

[2:14:55] entertain a motion to adjurnn? Brad so

[2:14:58] moved. Mr. Ray moves to adjurnn. Second,

[2:15:01] please. That will second. Mr. Kenny

[2:15:03] moves a second. Discussion.

[2:15:06] All in favor say I. Any opposed?

[2:15:10] Meetings adjourned to the public access

[2:15:12] session. Uh if there are any public

[2:15:14] wanting to talk to

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