[0:08] your worship. We are live. >> Good evening and work. Welcome to the

[0:13] regular session of council for the municipal bam. It is Thursday, September

[0:17] the 3rd, 2026, 7 p.m. and I will call this meeting to order.

[0:22] I'll remind members of any disclosures of pecuniary interest in the general

[0:26] nature thereof. Seeing none noted

[0:32] would note that there are no items not listed on the agenda.

[0:37] So we're clear there. Let's go with announcements. Does anyone have any

[0:42] announcements for the evening? Councelor Chopan.

[0:48] » The Mason breakfasts are back this year and I know John is very excited.

[0:56] » So they start September 20th. September 20th from 8 till 1.

[1:00] » From 8 to 1. >> Be there.

[1:04] » It's in Vienna. Just to make it clear. >> In Vienna to be clear.

[1:10] » Thank you for that. Uh, Mr. Mark. >> Oh, thank you, your worship. Uh, the

[1:15] registration date for the September bulk garbage pickup is Monday, September

[1:19] 14th.

[1:23] » No. Is that right?

[1:28] I thought the pickup was the 14th. >> Oh, that's what

[1:33] » Okay. >> I thought the registration date was the

[1:36] eight. >> Yes.

[1:37] » That's what it says in the sign out front.

[1:39] » Oh, maybe is the pickup date. >> Pickup date is the 14th. Registration's

[1:42] on the 8th. >> Okay. Sorry.

[1:44] » This was just a trial run. Okay. >> Okay.

[1:50] » No worries. No, >> we'll just uh Yeah. Okay,

[1:55] » I'll get it right next time. All right. Uh I have three announcements. Uh the

[2:00] first is that uh the decoration day for the Eden Cemetery is this weekend. It is

[2:05] on Sunday uh the 6th of September. Uh if any one wishes to participate, please

[2:11] do. Uh this uh also today marked the last

[2:16] day for our public works students and uh we thank them for their service over the

[2:22] year. Hopefully they had a decent experience this past summer and uh we

[2:26] thank them for their help and I believe this is the last week as well for our

[2:31] students at the marine museum. Likewise uh these are programs that uh would be

[2:36] difficult to run without having students around to get the to staff exactly you

[2:41] know the the museum itself. So, we thank them for that.

[2:48] And I'm seeing no more announcements, which then moves us down to section

[2:52] seven, adoption of the minutes of previous meeting, which include the

[2:55] regular meeting of council held on August 20th, 2026.

[2:59] Everyone's had opportunity to approve those minutes. If there are no errors or

[3:03] omissions, the motion would read that the minutes

[3:06] from the regular meeting of council held on August the 20th, 2026 be approved as

[3:11] presented. Do I have a mover and second her? Councelor Emerson will move.

[3:15] Councelor Chilcott will second. All in favor?

[3:20] That's carried.

[3:23] Moving on down to section 12, development services, sustainability and

[3:28] conservation 121, correspondence and 1211 to receive for information. Item A,

[3:34] notice of public meeting regarding ZBA0726,

[3:38] an official plan amendment OPA0326 at two, not at, but it's 2455892,

[3:45] Inc. at 11470 Plank Road. Does anyone have any questions regarding that piece

[3:52] of correspondence?

[3:56] If not, need a mover and second that item 1211A be received for information.

[4:03] Councelor Chilcott will move. Deputy Mayor Weisler will second. All in favor?

[4:10] It's carried. Section 13, finance administration 131

[4:15] correspondence and 1311 to receive for information.

[4:22] Five pieces of correspondence. Item A is the Elgen County regarding the committee

[4:26] of the whole minutes for July the 14th, 2026.

[4:30] Item B, Elgen County regarding the county council minutes for July the

[4:34] 14th, 2026. Item C, Elgen County regarding Elgen,

[4:39] excuse me, county council highlights for August the 11th, 2026.

[4:44] D, town of Plimpmpton, Wyoming regarding sustainable provincial grant funding for

[4:49] fire services in Ontario. And item E, the Ontario Energy Board regarding

[4:54] notice of hearing for Nbridge Gas, Inc. Does anyone have any questions regarding

[4:59] this correspondence wish to draw attention to?

[5:04] Councelor Chilcott. >> Thank you. I believe we received some um

[5:09] emails regarding PR11 and the clarification of the funds being

[5:14] transferred. I >> think we will deal with that under the

[5:19] uh waterfront advisory committee recommendations. Okay. Which will be

[5:22] upcoming 132. you. Any other questions on any of this

[5:28] correspondence? All right. Then I need a mover and

[5:33] seconder for the following. That items 1311A through E be received for

[5:37] information. Moved by councelor Schilcott, second by Deputy Mayor

[5:42] Weisert. All in favor? That's carried. Moving down to 13.2 reports to council.

[5:50] Item A, CL0926 by Alan Bushell. clerk regarding the

[5:54] waterfront advisory committee recommendations. Uh Mr. Bushell,

[5:59] » uh thank you, worship. Uh there is some uh recommendations put through from um

[6:03] the waterfront committee. Um the list is before you. Uh ultimately, we're just

[6:09] asking that you receive this information for this report for information.

[6:15] » Thank you, Alan. Councelor Chilcott, this was the item that you uh were

[6:19] mentioning, >> correct? I think there was um a little

[6:24] bit of clarification that needed to be made or was requested to be made as to

[6:30] where that 325 came from and how it was going to be reallocated. It was a

[6:36] request that it be kept in the beachfront rather than allocated

[6:40] elsewhere if we no longer have to do the peers. Correct.

[6:46] That's not what the recommendation states in the waterfront advisory

[6:49] committee, but I understand that may be the intent of what uh they were

[6:52] speaking. The chair of the waterfront advisory committee happens to be here.

[6:55] Perhaps she might recall what specific was. Otherwise, uh Cindy, I think you're

[7:01] prepared to uh speak to that. >> Did you want to speak to that, Cindy?

[7:07] » Um thanks. Yes, through uh the mayor to council. Um so there was a discussion

[7:13] about the total there is 50,000 that was part of the 2026 capital budget um and

[7:20] it's from the parking reserve. So if the money is not spent then that money will

[7:25] still remain in that reserve. The rest of the money was 275,000

[7:31] um for the East Pier rehab project and that is part of the 2027 budget and it's

[7:38] actually a source of financing would be levy but during the 2027 budget capital

[7:44] budget we would be talking about that there.

[7:48] » Okay. >> All right.

[7:52] Any other comments or questions?

[8:00] So I assume the process uh to receive for information is something that uh

[8:04] would possibly come up during the capital budget.

[8:09] » The items could be received. Yes. >> Deputy Mayor Wiser.

[8:14] » Yes. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Just for clarity with the budget re these

[8:17] recommendations will show up on the report

[8:20] » or do we have to bring them forward again?

[8:23] » That's where I was looking for clarification.

[8:25] » Yeah. These will be I just want to confirm

[8:30] these recommendations will be provided in the report when the capital budget is

[8:34] presented. >> Uh the administrative decision regarding

[8:38] that would come through the CEO and or the treasurer and or the uh manager for

[8:43] infrastructure which would be Steve. Uh so ultimately I would defer to the CEO

[8:49] whether we're confirming we're putting it on the budget. The the issue largely

[8:52] is is a lot of these items go across decades. So when when we plug it is is

[8:58] going to have to have some form of discretion

[9:01] » through you, Mr. Mayor. Perhaps maybe even if we could just refer to the

[9:06] report, not necessarily like bring that information forward, but we do need to

[9:12] refer to these recommendations specifically from this report for

[9:16] budgets because this council is going to be different when we're looking at the

[9:21] budget.

[9:24] So, if if I could make that recommendation or just make sure that

[9:27] that these reports are itemized in the capital budget

[9:32] » through the mayor to uh council. Uh yes, we can find a way to be able to do that.

[9:40] » Similar to attached to it. >> Yes.

[9:48] So the question begins or is deputy mayor, are you comfortable with what the

[9:53] proposed recommendation may be >> or would you like to have it more

[9:57] formalized? The recommendation reads that report

[10:01] CL0926 regarding the waterfront advisory

[10:04] committee recommendations be received for information.

[10:09] » Um through you, Mr. Mayor, perhaps we could include and that report CL0926

[10:15] be referenced in the upcoming budget, capital budget. I I'm I'm not sure what

[10:20] the wording would be on that, but >> referred.

[10:23] » I would say referred to >> or referred to. Okay. And I'm

[10:26] comfortable with that. I just would like to make sure that these get brought

[10:30] forward so that they can have a robust discussion about that at budget time.

[10:39] Got that? >> Yep.

[10:40] » You like to read it? >> Okay. So, it's it's a two-stage

[10:45] resolution that report CL96 regarding waterfront advisory committee

[10:50] recommendations be received for information and that uh report CL926

[10:56] regarding waterfront advisory committee recommendations be referred to the

[11:00] upcoming capital budget. Okay. Do we have a move or second for

[11:06] that? Deputy Mayor Wisler, Councelor Chilcott. All in favor of

[11:12] that? That's carried. Thank you. Item B, CL 1026 by Alan Bushell, clerk,

[11:19] regarding the museum advisory committee final meeting.

[11:23] » Thank you, worship. Uh, the final uh museum advisory committee uh

[11:28] unfortunately uh failed to be quorum due to uh very understandable circumstances.

[11:33] Uh with that, the group still did go through the agenda. Uh so what we're at

[11:38] right now is a procedural moment where the committee can't uh approve the

[11:44] items. Uh so council being the body that oversees the committee will just have to

[11:50] make the resolution for them. >> And so we're just asking that you accept

[11:54] the agenda and that you approve the items inside of it. The items inside of

[11:58] it had no actions whatsoever. They were allformational and very very down low

[12:03] operational day-to-day stuff for the facility.

[12:08] discussion.

[12:16] » Deputy Mayor Wiser. >> Thank you through you, Mr. Mayor. Sorry,

[12:19] this is the first time I've had this come up, so I'm just going to ask for a

[12:21] clarifying question. I reviewed the agenda but I there's no minutes so there

[12:28] was no in terms of like so there's no action to be taken just so because I

[12:33] don't if I'm blanket approving something >> I haven't seen any minutes

[12:39] » through through your through your worship that's the exact problem uh

[12:42] since we weren't able to hit quorum we didn't actually generate minutes

[12:45] » ah okay >> supplementary

[12:49] » yes >> so if we didn't generate minutes what

[12:51] are we approving uh just the reports inside of the

[12:54] reports. It's just a cascading council to the committee uh finalizing the

[12:59] committee's final meeting. It's just >> interesting.

[13:03] » It's closing a file. >> It's just it's okay. Okay, fair enough.

[13:08] Because usually when there's cor when there isn't quorum, we don't have a

[13:12] meeting >> through your worship. Uh yeah, and what

[13:15] would happen procedurally is we would have rescheduled a meeting.

[13:18] Unfortunately, since we're at the end of our term, we couldn't do that. Uh, fair.

[13:21] » Then I had to create this, you know. >> Okay.

[13:25] Sorry. [laughter] >> I'm getting all the good stuff right at

[13:29] the end, man. >> It's a learning moment,

[13:32] » right? >> Okay. Any other questions?

[13:36] » All right. The motion would read that report CL 1026 regarding the museum

[13:40] advisory committee final meeting be received for information and that the

[13:44] items listed on the August 12th 2026 museum advisory committee agenda be

[13:49] received for information second councelor froze will move

[13:54] councelor Chilcott will second all in favor that's carried

[14:00] brings us down to section 14 the bylaws

[14:07] Looks like we only have one bylaw number 2026049

[14:10] being a bylaw to authorize execution of an agreement between the corporation and

[14:14] municipality of BAM and Bros Excavating Limited for the Eden Pump Station

[14:19] upgrades. Does anyone have any questions on the bylaw? The report was out last

[14:23] month or last meeting, excuse me.

[14:30] Seeing none, the motion would read that bylaw number 202649 be read first,

[14:35] second, and third time, and finally pass. Do I have a mover or second for

[14:39] that? Councelor Emerson will move. Councelor Chilov will second. All in

[14:43] favor, carried.

[14:48] Don't believe we have any unfinished business or other business.

[14:54] We can close this meeting out because we have a public meeting coming up. So

[14:59] we'll do the confirming bylaw. Need a mover and seconder for the

[15:04] following. That bylaw number 2026 050 be read a first, second, and third time and

[15:08] finally passed. Councelor Chilcott will move. Deputy Mayor Weiser will second.

[15:14] All in favor? That is carried. Which brings us to the

[15:18] adjournment motion that the council meeting be adjourned at 7:15

[15:25] p.m. >> Move and second.

[15:29] » I kind of thought councelor froze would get there and councelor Chilcott will

[15:33] second. All in favor we are. That is carried. We are

[15:38] adjourned the regular meeting. Um please stand by. We will reset for

[15:45] the public meeting which will begin at 7:30.

[29:54] your worship.

[30:00] Good evening everyone and welcome to the statutory planning meeting for the

[30:04] municipality of BAM is Thursday September the 3rd 2026 7:30 p.m. and I

[30:09] will call this meeting to order remind the uh council of any disclosures

[30:14] of punary interest in the general nature thereof.

[30:19] Seeing none noted just to remind everyone this evening we

[30:24] are dealing with an application. This is an approval that this is an application

[30:29] for a proposed zoning bylaw amendment ZBA0726

[30:33] and the official plan amendment OPA0326 2455892

[30:40] Inc. 11470 Plank Road. The purpose of this combined official

[30:46] plan amendment and zoning bylaw amendment is to permit the development

[30:50] of two two-story apartment buildings containing a total of 36 residential

[30:54] units, 18 units in each building on lands serviced by private water and to

[31:00] reszone the subject lands from holding Hamlet residential HRH2 zone to sight

[31:06] specific Hamlet residential HRH1 H2X

[31:11] zone to permit multiple unit residential dwellings on lands that are not serviced

[31:16] by municipal water, which requires the additional following provisions.

[31:22] Sections 9.12.x

[31:26] to add apartment buildings as an additional permitted use on the subject

[31:29] lands. Section 9.12.x to apply a holding H1 provision to the

[31:35] lands addressing servicing capacity confirmation prior to development

[31:39] proceeding. The subject lands are located at 11470

[31:44] Plank Road. The effect of this combined official plan of amendment and the

[31:49] zoning bylaw amendment is to permit multi-unit residential development,

[31:53] including apartment buildings, on lands within the Hamlet designation that rely

[31:58] on private rather than municipal water services. Additionally, the effect of

[32:02] the zoning bylaw amendment is to permit the development of two two-story

[32:07] apartment buildings containing a total of 36 residential units on the subject

[32:11] lands subject to the sight specific provisions described above and subject

[32:16] to a holding H1 provision addressing the servicing capacity confirmation prior to

[32:21] development proceeding. The holding H1 provision is intended to ensure public

[32:26] health and safety, an agreement with the municipality or the satisfying of

[32:30] conditions of severance which addresses the impacts of the new development on

[32:34] the applicable water supply system and/or sewage treatment and disposal

[32:39] system which may include issues relating to water capacity, water quantity, water

[32:44] quality and financial costs will be required prior to removal of the H1 zone

[32:50] symbol. Now, at this point, I'm pleased to

[32:54] welcome uh Matt Bond, director of planning for Alvin County. I believe

[32:58] Matt, you're here to provide a a brief presentation. So, floor is yours.

[33:04] » Okay. Thank you very much. Um through the mayor, to council, and the folks in

[33:09] the room tonight. Uh yes, I'm here to uh give a a brief presentation on the

[33:12] application OPA0326 and ZBA0726.

[33:19] So the subject lands are located on the east side of Plank Road between Grey

[33:23] Street and Bailey Court. Lands have a frontage of 22 meters on Plank Road and

[33:27] a depth of 182.8 m. They have a total area of 1.36

[33:33] acres. They are currently vacant.

[33:38] So the next slide here just shows some of the surrounding land uses. So, uh,

[33:42] primarily we're looking at existing detached, uh, single detached dwellings,

[33:47] um, surrounding the property and, uh, a development, um, adjacent that is

[33:51] currently under construction.

[33:55] This next slide just shows a view of the subject lands from the road looking east

[34:00] from Plank Road and also looking south Grace Street.

[34:06] The Elgen County official plan um has the lands that are within the tier 2

[34:11] settlement area on schedule A of the county's uh structure plan. Uh these

[34:15] settlement areas have limited municipal services and lower levels of amenity and

[34:19] employment opportunities.

[34:23] Uh municipality BAM official plan. The proposed development is located within

[34:27] an established settlement area being the Eden Hamlet area. The Hamlet's

[34:31] designation permits a range of low to medium density residential uses.

[34:36] Although the proposed development is a permitted use, an official plan

[34:39] amendment is required to permit the proposed development as a uh as the

[34:43] subject lands do not have access to municipal water or sewer services.

[34:50] Uh the proposed development um the subject lands are proposed to be

[34:55] developed for a for two two-story apartment buildings containing a total

[34:59] of 36 residential units with associated surface parking. Uh right now it's

[35:04] showing 63 uh spaces total. Each apartment building is proposed to

[35:08] contain 18 residential units and development would comprise of a density

[35:13] of approximately 65 units per hectare. The next slide just shows some

[35:19] conceptual elevations. So these these aren't in concrete or anything. These

[35:24] are just um just an idea of what the buildings could look like.

[35:31] So the propo proposed official plan amendment um they are designated hamlet

[35:36] as I said in schedule one of the land use uh in municipality of BM official

[35:40] plan. The hamlet land use designation permits multi-unit residential forms

[35:44] such as apartment buildings. However, the settlement area of Eden is on

[35:48] partial municipal services. An official plan amendment is required to permit

[35:52] multi-unit dwellings on lands that do not have municipal water services

[35:56] available. And the zoning the subject lands are

[36:00] zoned holding hamlet residential in the municipality of BAM zoning bylaw. The HR

[36:06] zone permits single detached dwellings, a bed and breakfast, lodging or tourism

[36:10] home, converted dwellings, home occupation, private garage or carport as

[36:14] an accessory use. An apartment building is not a permitted use. Sight specific

[36:19] zoning bylaw amendment applications required to add apartment buildings as a

[36:23] permitted use. The purpose of the existing holding H2 zone is to ensure

[36:28] orderly development and address servicing impacts of the new

[36:32] development.

[36:35] So a sightsp specific zoning bylaw amendment is requested uh to add

[36:39] apartment buildings multi-unit dwellings as a permitted use and just to point out

[36:43] all of the other zoning provisions of the parent zone will be met according to

[36:48] what has been proposed. So the next steps in the planning

[36:52] process um following this public meeting all comments received will be reviewed

[36:56] and considered as part of planning analysis including in relation to

[37:00] applicable provincial policies and plans preparation for future recommendation

[37:04] report. A staff recommendation report will be brought forward to council at a

[37:09] future meeting for consideration and a decision regarding the proposed zoning

[37:13] bylaw amendment and official plan amendment. Lastly, I would just like to

[37:17] point out that uh staff did receive uh a number of letters, emails um with some

[37:24] concerns about the proposal. Overall, the central issue um is whether Eden has

[37:30] groundwater, sewer capacity, transportation infrastructure, and

[37:34] community services necessary to safely and appropriately accommodate the scale

[37:39] and density of residential growth, particularly when the proposed

[37:43] development is considered cumulatively with other planned developments in this

[37:47] hamlet. Um sounds like there's some folks here that will speak to that. And

[37:51] I will also point out with us tonight is the applicant agent Matt Campbell who

[37:54] can also help to answer some questions about what's being proposed. There any

[37:58] questions for me? I'm happy to answer them.

[38:03] » All right. Thank you very much for that. Uh Matt, I'm thinking at this point uh

[38:07] unless someone wants a specific question from uh Mr. Vaughn, uh we'll move right

[38:12] on into the uh the public participation. Okay. Thank you.

[38:23] So this is uh your opportunity to speak. Uh if you've signed in, please come up,

[38:27] state your name, and uh yes, have your say, please.

[38:33] My name is Robert Ketchup and uh to address

[38:41] worship and the council. Okay.

[38:47] My first concern is the wells and the attic water water

[38:53] supply. Guess I better get my glasses on.

[39:00] This well that was drilled and the one they're

[39:04] going to use it has had a pull test

[39:11] done on it. It was completed by Tom Thompson Hecky, the engineer at MTE

[39:19] Consultants. Results were not shared with the public.

[39:25] The phone number that they gave on the letter that they put out is no longer in

[39:33] service. and the email. I'm still waiting for a

[39:39] response. In the past,

[39:44] there's been three wells drilled here on this parcel of land. All three contained

[39:50] thick black sulfur water. The pipes were removed from two of the

[39:56] wells and the holes were filled. Their third well remains and is on the

[40:03] neighbor's property at the back. When the pool test was done on it, their

[40:09] water was thick and black sulfur. The bylaw officer was called because

[40:15] people thought someone was pumping sewage on the ground. This should be on

[40:19] record with the township. My question is, is there going to be a

[40:24] purification system and storage tank put in for that water?

[40:30] If yes, then where is it going to be? A large number of people in Eden now get

[40:36] one to two gallons a minute because of all the wells being drilled and that

[40:41] have been drilled there in the past few years.

[40:45] With 36 more apartments being added, how will this affect Eden's water supply?

[40:54] Number two, my number two concern is the sewer on the proposed property.

[41:01] There is a sewer line installed which is bigger than a private sewer

[41:10] line. This line was attached to the public

[41:15] sewer line across Plank Road on the west side.

[41:21] I witnessed this myself. The township

[41:26] oversaw this. This should be on public record. Why is it being described as a

[41:33] private sewage line when it is already connected to the public sewage line?

[41:41] Number three, Plank Road is very high traffic 24/7

[41:48] and a very congested area. According to a vehicle count report done

[41:55] two years ago, there were 28,000

[41:59] vehicles recorded going to be

[42:04] using Plank Road. This should be on public record as well.

[42:09] At the very least, there will be 36

[42:14] more vehicles going in and out on this site on Plank

[42:20] Road with only one laneway. [clears throat]

[42:27] No stop signs are there now and no lights and no warning signs.

[42:33] There have been several accidents at the intersection of Plank Road and Eden

[42:38] Line. And this is just going to add to

[42:43] number four. Eden is a hamlet, not a village or a town.

[42:50] The service services and resources are nonexistent

[42:57] or very very limited. A high density residential development

[43:04] is not appropriate for this handle. Any questions?

[43:14] » Thank you, Bob.

[43:22] » Next, council. My name is Matt Campbell. I'm

[43:26] the agent. >> Oh, sure. Did you sign in, please?

[43:29] » Uh, I can. Yes, >> we would appreciate that.

[43:31] » Um, I don't have a there's no pen here. >> Oh, would it be more for me to respond

[43:41] back? >> Okay. Perhaps uh Matt, I apologize. Just

[43:44] been advised by the clerk that might be more appropriate uh after everyone's had

[43:48] an opportunity, you can respond. >> Sure, we can do that. I just wanted to

[43:51] clarify some information that may be beneficial for the discussion going

[43:55] forward potentially. I'm happy to answer any other questions, but I'll

[43:59] » let's let's do that. >> Sure.

[44:01] » On on the points raised and hope maybe and but still I would remain available

[44:06] at the end. >> Absolutely.

[44:07] » Does that work? >> Yes.

[44:08] » All right. >> Yes. Uh so again, my name is Matt

[44:10] Campbell. I'm a partner with Zelinka Priamo. We're the agent on behalf of the

[44:14] the applicant for these applications here. Um I just wanted to point out

[44:19] first to council uh that there were a number of background and supporting

[44:24] studies that were done in support of these applications including a

[44:28] hydrogeeological report that was just referenced. Uh there was a peer review

[44:33] of that report. So and the peer reviewer was selected by the municipality. Uh

[44:38] both of those reports came back quite positive. Um so we can certainly get

[44:43] into the nuances and and specific information about what is in those

[44:48] reports as we go through everything tonight. Uh there was a traffic report

[44:52] prepared. That traffic report also came back as supporting the development with

[44:56] no uh traffic infrastructure such as turning lanes, traffic signals, stop

[45:02] signs, anything like that required from an engineering perspective. Uh there was

[45:06] a servicing report prepared as well as a planning justification report and site

[45:10] plan and elevations some of which was already presented by Mr. Vaugh. Um the

[45:15] servicing report just one thing to to clarify there is a holding provision

[45:20] that's proposed uh because of servicing constraints capacity constraints. I

[45:25] think council may have already identified that and voted on that at the

[45:29] previous meeting to rectify some of those issues. So, we're certainly

[45:32] cognizant of the fact that there are servicing issues in Eden and that's why

[45:36] we're certainly happy to move forward with a holding provision essentially

[45:40] saying these lands cannot be developed until that servicing constraint is

[45:44] identified. Uh to the point about the actual servicing connection, I I

[45:49] apologize. I'm not aware of any servicing connection that's there.

[45:53] However, the uh the holding provision that is being uh recommended by staff

[45:59] here that would prevent that development from actually occurring. So, nothing's

[46:02] going in that pipe if it is indeed there until that occurs. Um to the point about

[46:08] uh you know what what is before council and what are we looking at uh for this

[46:13] application? There's the notion of well an apartment building. Uh the

[46:18] municipality's official plan encourages intensification of underutilized lands

[46:22] and encourages uh apartment buildings. Why we are before council for an

[46:27] official plan amendment is specifically to deal with the policy regarding

[46:31] servicing for apartment buildings. That policy exists simply to act as a flag to

[46:39] prohibit any ad hoc development of a high density form of housing such as

[46:45] what is being proposed. What I mean by that is if the municipality had a policy

[46:51] that allowed apartment buildings without this check and balance, then that could

[46:55] create a real issue in terms of groundwater.

[46:59] Where we're coming from with this application is to say, okay, we

[47:02] recognize that that is a constraint. We're going through the appropriate

[47:06] checks and balances and supporting studies to demonstrate that yes, this is

[47:10] a form of housing that can be supported in this area backed up by the reports

[47:14] that we have from the qualified subject matter experts. So, the notion of an

[47:19] apartment in principle, if you were to take out the servicing aspect, yes, that

[47:24] is something that the official plan very much supports. what we're here to talk

[47:27] about is more so how does that relate to the servicing aspect of it. Um I won't

[47:33] belabor the point anymore. I know that we're probably gonna have a lot of

[47:35] comments, but if there are any questions that I can answer, please um I'm happy

[47:40] to answer those. Thank you. >> All right. Thank you. Someone else from

[47:44] the public, please come forward. State your name.

[47:50] » I'll sign in here. >> Hi, my name is Sharon Zelstro.

[47:56] I was directly beside part of this lot and it that is being

[48:02] proposed where the apartment buildings are. It also is directly so the lot

[48:08] beside us is an empty lot but it is my husband's aunt's lot. So it is our

[48:14] family lot that it is also beside. So this directly concerns us.

[48:21] Um, this proposed 36 apartment buildings that are going to be drawing on a water

[48:27] source. We currently only get a gallon a minute. So, how is another building

[48:35] right beside us going to affect our water? We do run out of water and there

[48:40] are only two of us in our house. Um, so what what is going to be done if

[48:47] we run out of water? What is like how are we supposed to

[48:52] or what is council or the township going to do if we run out of water? That is my

[49:00] number one concern. A number two concern is two apartment buildings two stories

[49:05] high. It's going to be very congested. They're going to be able to see into my

[49:10] backyard. I have a pool. It's private. It's fenced. But they're going to be

[49:16] able to see into my backyard. uh what is going to be done to ensure

[49:20] our privacy in our own personal property um while we're say in the pool or in our

[49:27] yard just hanging out.

[49:32] They're going to be able to see us. What is going to be done for our privacy and

[49:36] our safety? Uh noise

[49:40] is another is another concern. Uh it's going to be a very high density

[49:45] populated area. If you put in 36 more units, that's at least 36 to 72

[49:53] and exponentially more than that people in that area. Uh what is going to be

[49:58] done to restrict noise? Um also safety and traffic. Um our little street, I

[50:06] don't even think it's a street for uh Gray Street. Um, we've already got uh

[50:13] speed bumps put in our street, but people just zoom right through it like

[50:18] at high high rates of speed and there are young kids on our street that use it

[50:23] all the time. What is going to be done about safety and traffic?

[50:29] Those are my concerns.

[50:33] » Thank you.

[50:37] Uh, anyone else? Please come on. Repeat on neighbors.

[50:43] » Sure. Please just state your name for the record.

[50:45] » My name is Denise Kennedy and I live on Grey Street in Eden. Um neighbors that

[50:51] live directly behind the apartment building unit. Um I'm just going to read

[50:55] this if that's okay. So they can't make it, but they are curious about the

[50:58] property boundary lines being redone. Uh cuz they're she says they're pretty

[51:03] positive that they took more on Grey Street than they were supposed to. They

[51:06] ripped out some fences along the way. Um, she also was curious about the water

[51:11] testing because that was done during the low time where everybody's at work and

[51:15] she's wondering if it could be done during peak time. I know for ourselves

[51:19] being on Grey Street, our well is not the greatest. We're probably about the

[51:23] same as Sharon, about a gallon per minute and we have concerns as well.

[51:28] What's going to happen if we run out of water? Who's going to protect us?

[51:32] Those are my questions. >> Thank you.

[51:38] Do you have a supplemental? >> Yes.

[51:41] » Okay, Bob. Uh, just before you do, anyone else want to speak before?

[51:47] » Okay, we'll get to you, Bob. Okay. >> Signing in right now because my wife is

[51:52] signing. >> My name is Lucian Vanam.

[51:57] » I live on Eden Line. I'd like clarification.

[52:01] You've seen them physically put in a sewer connection already, correct? Yes.

[52:08] » How can someone start connecting to a sewer without this being even approved?

[52:15] They've already started the development without approval.

[52:20] How does that happen? >> If you're asking me

[52:25] I'm >> asking anybody.

[52:26] » Okay. No, I appreciate the question because [clears throat] I wasn't even

[52:28] aware that there was a line. I'm I don't know if council is but I don't

[52:32] » so since since this line is already in can they be forced to rip it out because

[52:37] this is not an improved development already.

[52:42] » Very good question.

[52:47] » Good question. Thank you >> Bob.

[52:53] » Um yeah I was there when they did the poll test.

[52:59] » Okay. on that well. And when they did the pull test on my

[53:05] property on the well that I drilled, this is how they did it.

[53:11] They measured the level of water in my well.

[53:16] » Mhm. >> Then they run that water, that well.

[53:22] It was two days for sure, maybe three. Then they come back and they measured

[53:30] the water in my well again. Then they pumped water into a 5gallon

[53:36] pail and

[53:40] time that how long it took the pale to fill up. And that's how they figured out

[53:46] how many gallons a minute that we got. Now the pull test that was done behind

[53:53] this was nothing like that at all. I thought it very strange

[54:00] because they had a truck there and the truck had a 45gallon barrel

[54:08] and they filled that 45 they pump water into that 45gallon barrel and this went

[54:14] on

[54:17] four, five, six hours, I'm not sure. Then they shut everything off and left

[54:25] and they come back the next day and they did the same thing.

[54:31] And then they come back, I believe, another day, they shut the well off and

[54:35] they come back another day and did the same thing.

[54:40] To me, that is not a viable pull test because every time they did their build

[54:50] the barrel, so they did that all day long,

[54:53] they shut the well off. So, that would give the well

[54:59] almost uh well, it give it plenty of time to regenerate and come back up to a

[55:06] normal level. So, to me, that's

[55:10] Not really a viable pull test that they did.

[55:18] Thank you. Thank you, S.

[55:25] Anyone else?

[55:37] One more call. Like anyone else from the public wish to address?

[55:42] » Oh, you don't want me to talk?

[55:51] » It's an opportunity. >> Yeah.

[55:56] power forever holding

[56:07] my shoulder.

[56:43] Oh, I also live on Grace Rafe. Um, when they did the poll test, like Ed Ed said,

[56:50] they did it in May. Um, sorry, not Ed, >> Ed. Bob, what

[56:56] » Bob? Um, said they did it in May. We'd had lots of rain. So, the wells are

[57:01] going to be higher. They should have done it in August when

[57:06] when we've had a heat wave like they said. They did it in the middle of the

[57:10] workday so nobody was home. Why not do it Saturday when everybody's home doing

[57:15] their laundry, right? They did it at the most ridiculous time. Um I have been

[57:21] also told that the test was inconclusive.

[57:25] So the results basically are null and void. there is no proof that we do have

[57:30] enough water that we don't. Um I was told that by a gentleman who has made

[57:36] inquiries and was more successful than Bob at getting an answer.

[57:41] Um so if the results were inconclusive,

[57:47] then how can you make a decision? We have 32 houses that are currently being

[57:52] put up slowly, thankfully. Um, but once they're up and we have the apartments,

[58:02] » is that test going to be any good when we now have double the amount of

[58:08] residents um from what they tested? Like it makes

[58:14] no sense to have 32 apartments plus 32 housesing

[58:20] when we don't have any of those actually lived in at the moment.

[58:25] Um, another issue is we're going to have a lot of people buying these h houses.

[58:30] They're going to come in from cities because it's cheaper to live out here.

[58:34] Um, they're going to they're not going to be

[58:38] used to living on a well, so they're going to want to water their lawn.

[58:41] They're going to want to wash their trucks. Anybody in the area and is used

[58:46] to it knows we don't water our lawns. We we only water something that you can

[58:52] eat. But a lot of people are going to be

[58:55] buying these houses because they're going to be cheaper than say a house in

[58:58] Kitchener. So that's part of my concern as well. They're going to start watering

[59:03] their lawns not realizing be that they're on wells, not city water, and

[59:08] we're all going to suffer. So, if my well goes dry because you put through

[59:13] this bylaw that we can put an apartment building plus this subdivision into

[59:18] Eden, even though none of us want it there.

[59:23] Are you guys going to truck water into us?

[59:27] » I can't afford to pay for water to be brought in on a monthly basis. Who's

[59:32] going to pay that bill? Are you going to put up a water tower? If you put in um

[59:39] water lines for us, that's coming out of my tax money. I'm going to have to pay

[59:43] for that. So, I'm getting dinged either way. Who's going to cover the water if

[59:48] we don't have it? And we're already telling you, we're running out of water.

[59:52] Years ago, I was taking care of a woman cuz I'm a PSW. I was taking care of a

[59:57] woman. I had her in the middle of a shower. Her neighbor started the wash.

[1:00:02] Her water was gone. We had no water. because they were on the same line. They

[1:00:09] were on the same well and they had none and that was probably

[1:00:14] a decade ago. So if the problem is a decade old or older, right? Why are we

[1:00:21] even discussing this? We do not. We all in this room know we don't have the

[1:00:25] water for this. And everybody knows you're not just going to have one person

[1:00:30] in each apartment. You're going to have up to four families of four.

[1:00:35] They're all going to want to do their laundry. They're all going to want to

[1:00:38] like have a swimming pool. They're all going to have splash pads. I can't have

[1:00:43] a slip and slide in my yard because I don't have enough water pressure.

[1:00:48] Like my kid growing up never could have had a slip and slide. I don't have

[1:00:51] enough water pressure to actually have a slip and slide for my kid when they had

[1:00:55] a birthday party. And these are all things that concern

[1:00:59] us. Not to mention the traffic. We already have people who are blowing

[1:01:04] through Eden. It's a 50 zone. They're blowing through doing 110 easily.

[1:01:09] What are you going to do to stop people? Are you How are you going to slow them

[1:01:12] down? There's going to be so much more traffic. We have plenty of kids that are

[1:01:18] out all the time, right? They're riding their bikes. They're walking their dogs.

[1:01:23] They're all over the place. We've already got an issue on Grey

[1:01:28] Street because we've got kids who are out riding their bikes on a street that

[1:01:32] is not even wide enough to let two cars pass without somebody pulling into

[1:01:37] another person's yard. >> And now you're going to add that many

[1:01:43] more people to the community. Somebody's going to get hit as it is.

[1:01:48] They don't pay attention to the stop signs at the only intersection we have

[1:01:53] in E. Hey, it's just it's unsafe. We don't have the

[1:02:00] the water for the water is a huge concern for all of us. That is the major

[1:02:05] concern and we don't have it. Everybody in this room knows we don't have the

[1:02:11] water. If we're already running out and they haven't even finished these these

[1:02:16] buildings, there's no way that you're going to be h we're going to have enough

[1:02:20] water when they're done. So then you're going to have to end up spending money

[1:02:27] in the end with supplying us with water. >> Okay, Michelle, it's your name.

[1:02:35] » Estelle. >> Estelle, sorry.

[1:02:38] What? >> Thank you.

[1:02:47] Is there anyone else? >> Have to be a question.

[1:02:52] concerned question. You want a follow-up question? Yes.

[1:02:55] » Y please.

[1:03:00] » I live at the end of Grey Street. >> Hi, Ed.

[1:03:05] » I apologize. >> He's now the mayor.

[1:03:07] » Yep. There you go. Congratulations. >> My concern is she's right. We're on Grey

[1:03:12] Street. >> Yeah.

[1:03:13] » There's not enough room for two vehicles to pass. We have three speed bumps. The

[1:03:17] speed limit is 50 kilometers an hour >> on that little alley. We have kids

[1:03:22] riding up and down that street like crazy because that's the only safe spot

[1:03:25] for them to play >> other than the park which is in the

[1:03:29] middle of being been uh Timbuktu, right? It's like way out. So, we have these 36

[1:03:36] houses that are coming in. We have a potential two buildings coming in. Plus,

[1:03:41] is there not another subdivision across the street

[1:03:44] » on the west >> possibly coming in? So, how many houses

[1:03:47] is that? How much water? How many more people?

[1:03:52] Where's the safety? I don't know. I live rural. I come from a big city. I moved

[1:03:56] rural for a reason. >> I really don't want to see apartments.

[1:04:00] It doesn't belong in a hamlet. Maybe a village, maybe a town,

[1:04:04] but not where we are. >> Great. Thank you for your comments.

[1:04:13] » All right. Final call for anyone else in the public.

[1:04:20] Okay, >> I think it might be appropriate to ask

[1:04:24] if Matt had any further information. >> That's where I was heading for. Uh Matt,

[1:04:28] did you have any followup or anything you wanted to uh add at this juncture

[1:04:33] and keeping in mind just to want to clarify with uh Mr. Vaughn, the comments

[1:04:37] that have been uh put forward tonight will be captured within the uh the staff

[1:04:42] report coming forward. >> All right. Thank you.

[1:04:45] » Uh thank you, Mr. Mayor. Um [clears throat] I we've certainly heard

[1:04:49] a lot of commentary, some of which that is directly related to this application,

[1:04:52] some of which is indirectly related to it. So I'll focus my comments on the

[1:04:56] ones that are directly related to this application. Um you know, certainly a

[1:05:00] lot of uh concern about the the water. Um what I would suggest that council

[1:05:06] take a look at is the two reports that were completed by the subject matter

[1:05:11] experts, the mte hydrog report and the peer review. Um, I can't comment

[1:05:17] specifically on the actions that were taken on the ground at the time. I

[1:05:22] wasn't there. Uh, in my line of work, we rely on those subject matter experts.

[1:05:26] They're they're PNES. They're qualified by the province of Ontario. We rely on

[1:05:30] them for their their opinion uh and their scientific work. So, uh, that's

[1:05:34] what we rely on in order to make our opinions as land use planners. So I

[1:05:38] implore council to take a look at those reports uh and if those are satisfactory

[1:05:43] to you then make your decision accordingly. If those reports are not

[1:05:48] satisfactory the municipality can certainly ask for more work to be done.

[1:05:53] I if that is the case, I suggest you you consult with your subject matter experts

[1:05:58] to determine uh if the peer review that was done is not satisfactory. Well, what

[1:06:03] else may give council some comfort uh and comfort to the people of Eden that

[1:06:08] have those concerns. Um I think that's I'll limit my comments

[1:06:13] uh there. Um, one thing I did neglect to mention was that the um, I don't know

[1:06:19] how much this really factors into it because it can't be regulated by zoning,

[1:06:23] but um, this particular client is looking at buildings that are friendly

[1:06:28] towards seniors. He's actively targeting that demographic. Just to be clear, this

[1:06:33] is not a seniors building. This is not long-term care. Uh, his his market

[1:06:38] strategy is to um try to attract seniors to his buildings. So, I think that's all

[1:06:45] the additional information I have. I'm happy to answer any other questions,

[1:06:48] though. >> All right, Matt. Uh, thank you for

[1:06:49] opening the door on that because that is a question of mine. What are we looking

[1:06:53] at from a proposed build here? Are we looking at uh bachelors? Are we looking

[1:06:57] at single? We looking at doubles? What are we looking at from a proposal?

[1:07:02] » The build. >> That's a great question, right?

[1:07:04] » I don't have a very good answer because the building plans themselves haven't

[1:07:09] been created. The renderings that you saw, those are conceptual in nature. So

[1:07:13] what what we do as a planning firm, so we're not architects, we don't design

[1:07:17] the buildings. Uh the reason that those buildings have not yet been designed is

[1:07:21] because that's a significant cost for our clients to go through. That's tens

[1:07:24] of thousands of dollars. So that's why they're not designed yet. Uh t the

[1:07:29] typical practice is we provide conceptual designs using you know how

[1:07:34] much area does a floor plate of the building then we can figure out roughly

[1:07:37] how many units would that yield our clients tell us well what kind of square

[1:07:41] foot is there looking per unit not to your question what is the breakdown of

[1:07:46] units how many onebs two bedrooms so on so and this that's a long-winded way of

[1:07:50] saying I don't have a good answer I would anticipate a mix of one and two

[1:07:54] bedrooms though >> all right because I think that is

[1:07:56] probably some of concern out in the community too wondering know what's the

[1:07:59] mix mix going to be uh again the population density you talked about 63

[1:08:04] units per tech uh you know uh is uh we we don't know

[1:08:10] whether we're talking about u attainability housing or accessibility

[1:08:16] housing or are we talking about affordable housing

[1:08:20] there's a lot of unknowns >> so can I just respond to that so th

[1:08:23] those specific terms attainable housing affordable housing

[1:08:28] in in land use planning and I'm going to put on my land use planner hat. Those

[1:08:31] have specific meanings under the provincial planning statement. That is

[1:08:35] not what this building is intended to be. So affordable housing by definition

[1:08:40] is housing that is provided below market rate. And there's different ways to

[1:08:44] figure out what market rate is. This would be a market rate building. Uh the

[1:08:49] information I provided to you was that in terms of marketing who our client is

[1:08:53] looking to to rent these units is typically he's targeting uh the senior's

[1:08:58] demographic. >> Thank you for that.

[1:09:02] Does anyone on council have any additional questions for Matt before we

[1:09:09] ch >> Thank you. I'm not sure if you can

[1:09:12] answer this or not, but we're talking about um two gallons of uh water per

[1:09:16] minute coming in. So, when you do your pull test, you've got 36 residences

[1:09:22] there. So, are you pulling it at 72 gallons per minute or at $2 or two

[1:09:28] gallons per minute? Is like how are you quantifying it that it it works? So

[1:09:34] through the mayor, the conclusions of the the water supply test, the pole test

[1:09:39] is just a different term for it, uh was that there's 80 lers per minute that's

[1:09:45] demonstrated to be sustained capacity. That's that's the

[1:09:50] So if there are those who have concerns about that report, I suggest that the

[1:09:56] municipality provide a copy of that report, all of the well tests. So as

[1:10:03] part of that report, there's all the well logs as well. That's a required

[1:10:06] component of that. As well, there is a peer review that the municipality

[1:10:11] commissioned that our client had been pay the bill for. So it's at no cost to

[1:10:16] the taxpayers. So to to answer your question, the conclusion states that

[1:10:20] it's 80 liters per minute and that's right in the conclusion section of the

[1:10:24] report. And the other question was someone requested that a new test be

[1:10:29] done during peak times rather than during off times. Is that something that

[1:10:34] they would be looking at doing? So through the mirror, I would I would

[1:10:37] preface my answer with I'm not the subject matter expert on when those

[1:10:41] tests should be done. However, I heard two different uh descriptions of what

[1:10:47] happened. One was it happened during the middle of the day when nobody was home.

[1:10:51] And then I had and then I heard another description saying it happened three

[1:10:55] consecutive days. So I'm not quite sure what to say on

[1:11:00] that. I don't have the specific information top of mind to tell you

[1:11:03] exactly when that occurred. However, all of that information is contained in the

[1:11:08] well logs and the pump test reports in the document itself. So to to your

[1:11:14] question, is that something that would normally be done? No. the scope these

[1:11:20] tests are scoped with the municipality prior to any work actually occurring. So

[1:11:26] the the people who are responsible for making the decisions on whether a test

[1:11:30] is acceptable or not, they get together to figure out what is what is the scope

[1:11:34] when are these tests going to be done and my role is I assume that the subject

[1:11:39] matter experts have done that and they're they're in agreement when that

[1:11:43] test was done. Again, the municipalities peer reviewer reviewed the tests and

[1:11:48] agreed with the findings. They didn't express any concern about that.

[1:11:53] » Okay. Thank you. to you, Mr. Mayor. Uh, probably out of

[1:11:59] your scope, but who or how do you determine the maximum

[1:12:05] uh capacity of that aquifer? There has to be a top limit. So, if you add

[1:12:10] project on project, even if you're fine, and then the other ones, but there has

[1:12:15] to be a total estimate of what that aquifer can support. Through the mirror,

[1:12:21] great question. My degree in geography does not get me that answer. What I can

[1:12:25] tell you though is um with all of the developments that I've been involved

[1:12:29] with over my career, including we're doing a major uh hydrog pull test for a

[1:12:36] site near Strathroy and they asked pretty much the same question. My

[1:12:40] understanding is that it's there isn't a specific answer to show well what is the

[1:12:46] total capacity of that aquifer. It's rather the other way around. It's what

[1:12:51] is the water demand from that specific use and can that be supported by the

[1:12:56] aquaper. So it's a different way of answering a similar question. That's I'm

[1:13:00] sorry that's the best that I can give you right now.

[1:13:03] » Okay. Supplementary then. Um, when you do the pull test, is somebody checking

[1:13:09] everybody else as well to see where the d draw down from the water table is?

[1:13:14] Because it's it's going to pull closer to the source and less of a drop farther

[1:13:19] away. I've been in a lot of old tests on large dairy farms in the

[1:13:25] states and and and there is a draw down area. So assuming that you're fine, that

[1:13:34] doesn't mean somebody else's well or sandpoint is deep enough for the draw

[1:13:39] down. And how in that study do people determine the effect? Are they going to

[1:13:44] somebody else's well to see what the draw down is or did they estimate that

[1:13:49] through the mayor? Again, great question. I don't have a great answer

[1:13:52] for you. What I can tell you is that this this report concluded that effects

[1:13:56] on other wells uh is unlikely. I'm paraphrasing that. If you want to give

[1:14:01] me a few minutes, I can go into the report and maybe get you more accurate

[1:14:05] answer. I'm not aware if they actually went and monitored anyone else as well.

[1:14:09] If they did, it would be in the report. >> Just Matt, for clarification, is that

[1:14:14] something that might be included within a future planning justification report?

[1:14:20] » Yeah, if you wouldn't mind, just so they can hear you.

[1:14:26] » Yeah. through the mayor. I thought it would good if I came to speak in case

[1:14:29] there's anyone at home listening as well. Um I I think it would be important

[1:14:33] in our next report that we're going to bring forward. I think we need to dig

[1:14:36] into this a little bit more. Yeah, we need to look at those numbers. Uh we

[1:14:39] need to, you know, talk to the folks that that did the study to make sure

[1:14:43] everything checks out. I I hear it is a important concern from um those living

[1:14:48] around in the area. So I think it's something that we we need to really dig

[1:14:51] into for our next report to make sure that everyone is getting um the

[1:14:55] information they're looking for. >> All right. Thank you for that.

[1:14:58] » Can I ask you for a question? I know I'm not the mic but

[1:15:02] » public meeting so we'll allow it. Come to the mic please.

[1:15:06] » Please please come to the mic as so that they can hear you at home.

[1:15:14] » How did the residents in Eden find out what the results of these tests were?

[1:15:20] » Good question. You can never get >> should since it's going to affect us the

[1:15:25] most. Shouldn't that information be available to us?

[1:15:30] » Please. >> How many people were involved in the

[1:15:32] test? Right. >> Right.

[1:15:35] » What all of the what all the results were.

[1:15:38] » All right. Thank you. >> Through the mayor to ask the council and

[1:15:43] everyone here. The the reports will be made public. This is um because they are

[1:15:48] associated with the application. They are public information just like

[1:15:51] everything else that has been part of this application. So, um they will be

[1:15:56] posted online. Um you can contact the planner uh Diana Morris who's working um

[1:16:01] on this file and um if you can't find them online, we can also just email them

[1:16:05] to you. But um yeah, we can we can share all of that information and then you can

[1:16:09] peruse it at uh at your own leisure. >> Okay. Thank you for that. Matt,

[1:16:16] would you please come up to the microphone and

[1:16:22] Make sure you sign in somewhere along the line and give us your name.

[1:16:26] » Yeah, my name is Elizabeth Mashian and this is my first time ever in this kind

[1:16:31] of setup. >> Um, it took a lot of uh thinking whether

[1:16:34] I should open my mouth or not. >> Um, my question is um I live in Eden on

[1:16:41] Eden line. >> Um, I have no problem so far with water.

[1:16:45] Thank God. Um now if the residents of Eden did a petition that they refuse to

[1:16:54] accept the 36 unit the you know heavy density

[1:17:01] for Eden. Um what rights do the residents have to say we do not wish to

[1:17:09] have so many units in our little hamlet. who decides

[1:17:17] what you know what rights do we have? >> You have a right to be heard for sure

[1:17:23] and your comments and all the comments tonight will be a part of the decision-m

[1:17:29] process going forward. >> Yeah, because like u beside um and I

[1:17:35] would welcome um you know the resident how can I put it senior building I would

[1:17:40] welcome it however um Eden is may not be the you know best um place for you know

[1:17:48] the seniors because they would need rights to deal somewhere

[1:17:53] there are no services and when also another thing is if that 36 unit were to

[1:17:58] be approved uh does the municipality have um land for parks on the east side

[1:18:06] of Eden um where the children could go to

[1:18:12] » um yeah And should there be no other, you know, bigger improvements in Eden,

[1:18:18] like widening, if it can be done, widening the streets, you know, and

[1:18:22] making um um place for children on the east side, like I'm concerned about the

[1:18:29] social welfare of the people. Um Eden, I moved to Eden 11 years ago and it has

[1:18:36] grown so much. Um the population uh statistic was 596 people at that time

[1:18:44] and um we had cornfield across from us and so many houses uh popped up since

[1:18:51] then and now 34 31 units on the west side 34 units on

[1:18:59] the east side and another 36. That's like um Eden doubling almost.

[1:19:05] » Mhm. >> Uh you know and and not to mention you

[1:19:09] know like um if it's a smaller property I haven't paid attention how big the

[1:19:14] property is but it's not just the people possibly you know families with children

[1:19:20] also pets and everything. Um I'm I feel for the people who would be in the

[1:19:27] neighborhood because it's a big change. So um

[1:19:32] My my question and recommendation would be is to turn that land into just you

[1:19:39] know put up a few other new houses if you know the owner

[1:19:44] and you know wishes to put something there or turn it into a nice park

[1:19:50] » or something like that. But anyway, it may be too late for me to

[1:19:56] suggest anything. But anyway, that's that's all the question is what the main

[1:20:01] main point I wanted to make is do the residents of Eden if every house in Eden

[1:20:06] signed we do not wish to have that 36 unit two stories um two buildings um in

[1:20:13] the on that property penetently refused. >> All right. Well, thank you for your

[1:20:19] comments. Thank you for listening to me. >> Absolutely.

[1:20:34] We do did move to Eden uh to have a quieter life too. And the traffic on on

[1:20:40] Eden line has quadrupled in the 10 years. and and we like to walk and we

[1:20:46] walk on the side of the road and we have to cross the street highway 19 every day

[1:20:54] and um yeah we have to stop and yeah it's it's it's dangerous that corner is

[1:20:59] very dangerous. >> It is. Elizabeth may may ask do you live

[1:21:02] on the west side or east side? >> I live on the west side next to the

[1:21:05] cemetery. >> Okay. Yeah. Not a problem because uh we

[1:21:09] happen to have a county official here. I just wanted to make a comment. It's a 60

[1:21:12] kilometer zone there, isn't it? Um it is yeah on

[1:21:15] » 50 km on blank and 50 km on Eden. >> Yes. And can it be reduced to can it be

[1:21:21] reduced to 50 on Eden line as well? >> That's what I'm trying to see from

[1:21:27] people. >> Wow. That's

[1:21:29] » well that's a different story but uh you know I I would love to have someone

[1:21:34] write me a letter and tell me that there was a request and then we can push that.

[1:21:38] Well, I know tonight is it's not the topic, but a kind of traffic reduction

[1:21:43] needs to be um done. Yeah. >> And under 6 hours and be out there

[1:21:51] » and and can be four o'clock in the afternoon too coming. Yeah. And and it

[1:21:55] is that corner is very dangerous. I had two close close calls in just in the

[1:22:01] last month. Somebody almost took took me took the corner sharp and the other one

[1:22:08] is motor bike jumping out you know near the corner to pass cars. Anyway, that's

[1:22:14] another topic. Sorry. Thank you. >> All right. Well, thank you for that

[1:22:17] those comments and we kind of strayed a little bit off topic. I think it was

[1:22:22] important. >> Uh

[1:22:26] okay. You have additional >> Yeah.

[1:22:29] » supplementary. >> Yeah.

[1:22:32] Okay. Because it's a public meeting.

[1:22:36] Absolutely, Robert.

[1:22:40] » Yeah. >> It's not just repetitive though, right?

[1:22:43] It's new. >> Well, part is a question and the other

[1:22:49] part is just a statement. >> Okay.

[1:22:53] Sure.

[1:23:02] When they did the pull test, I mentioned how it was how it was done.

[1:23:08] I I've watched them do that. Other pull tests, like I said, ours was

[1:23:16] run for two or three days straight, 24 hours a day. Wasn't done here.

[1:23:22] » Okay, that's that statement. The second statement I'd like to make is that the

[1:23:28] county sent me information on they put up radar

[1:23:36] uh coming into Eden and going out of Eden, Strafordville

[1:23:43] and the top speed going through Eden 50 kilometer hour

[1:23:48] zone was

[1:23:51] 180 kilometers an Uh

[1:23:56] » that should be a matter of public record,

[1:24:01] » Rob. Bob, it was this was discussed around council

[1:24:05] » last summer. That best was done last summer

[1:24:08] » and the uh this was discussed around council at that time.

[1:24:12] » Uh I know that public or excuse me uh the director of engineering up at the

[1:24:16] county is well aware of what's going on. >> Uh it is a it is a

[1:24:21] » it's a huge issue. It's an enforcement issue. You're absolutely correct.

[1:24:25] » So, but we are aware of it. Yes. >> And the Stratfordville, I believe it was

[1:24:31] 100 and 12 or 140

[1:24:36] » 140 at the library. >> Yeah. In the school zone.

[1:24:39] » Uh well, the library isn't school zone, but there was uh

[1:24:42] » there was a school zone. >> There was another one at the school

[1:24:44] zone. >> Yeah. And it was very like two or three

[1:24:48] times the speed limit there. Well, some of this was at 10 in the morning.

[1:24:52] » Yeah. >> Okay. It's kind of disturbing, but yes,

[1:24:56] and that we are kind of getting off topic.

[1:24:58] » Yeah, I know. So, I just wanted to add that in.

[1:25:01] » All right. >> Thank you.

[1:25:02] » Thank you. >> Yeah, Matt, please.

[1:25:06] » Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Um, just to respond to councelor Emerson's question

[1:25:10] about were other properties monitored, looking at the report, yes, other

[1:25:14] properties were. There were four properties that agreed to have their

[1:25:18] wells monitored for this. that is reflected in the test.

[1:25:21] » Just get back to that question. Thank you.

[1:25:23] » Great. Well, thank you for that. L, you had a followup.

[1:25:26] » Um, now that it's been stated that they're

[1:25:31] targeting seniors for these apartments, what is to stop the developer from

[1:25:36] changing his mind and going to three, four bedrooms for families? That is

[1:25:43] going to make a huge difference on the water drop.

[1:25:46] » Yeah. at 80 lers per minute. That has been said of correct

[1:25:53] that's less than 20 gallons a minute. >> How many units

[1:26:00] will support will that 20 gallons support? There's a minimum water

[1:26:06] allowance before you can have a uh move in permit. because they're not

[1:26:12] like you have to have a minimum amount of water going into a house before it'll

[1:26:17] be allowed to be occupied. So a 36 unit that's not even a gallon a minute going

[1:26:25] into each unit.

[1:26:29] Point is well taken. I'm not sure how the calculation is on a multi-res, but

[1:26:34] you're right. From a single residential, there is a quantity component from the

[1:26:39] provincial requirement. I don't know how it's calculated, but you're right. And I

[1:26:42] don't even know what the design is going to be. And and Matt, you're not the

[1:26:45] architect of Exactly. >> We don't know whether they're going to

[1:26:48] incorporate tanks to pressurize things and have holding tank. We don't know.

[1:26:53] But you've got a valid point and the crew has a valid point. What's going to

[1:26:55] stop them though from deciding, oh yeah, we can't get enough seniors. Let's bring

[1:27:01] in four or five people families. >> You're right.

[1:27:06] » So until that is settled, until we have an absolute concrete plan,

[1:27:12] there should be this shouldn't even be considered because when they can change

[1:27:16] it at will, they can do what they want and once it's approved, it's too late.

[1:27:23] » All right. Well, thank you for your comments.

[1:27:30] Final call. Anyone else?

[1:27:51] » My name is Dean Crawford. entirely uneine and uh I just wanted to express

[1:27:54] my concern about the the amount of volume of traffic and the growth in the

[1:27:59] village. Uh the playground, the store, the restaurant, the church, the

[1:28:04] mailboxes are all on the west side of of Highway 19 [clears throat]

[1:28:08] » and uh there's no pedestrian crosswalk. I mean, we're talking about some lights

[1:28:11] and some paint here, right? To uh make it safe for kids and for the citizens of

[1:28:18] the of the neighborhood. So, I would like to put forward a request. I'm

[1:28:23] sorry. I have a condition that caused me to shake, but uh I'd like to uh put

[1:28:26] forward a request that we have a a pedestrian crosswalk put in. Take that

[1:28:32] under consideration. >> All right. Thank you for that.

[1:28:35] » Thank you.

[1:28:48] Okay, I'm seeing no one move to the mic. There's been a lot of issues raised this

[1:28:54] evening. I want to thank you all for uh bringing this forward. It's important

[1:28:59] from a planning perspective and for gathering all the information we can

[1:29:04] before we move forward. Uh Matt, uh there has been no

[1:29:09] correspondence other you mentioned there has been some correspondence you've

[1:29:12] received with this file. Okay.

[1:29:18] I don't believe there is any other business before this public meeting

[1:29:24] which will then bring us to the adjournment.

[1:29:26] So, we have a motion that would read that the zoning bylaw be considered at a

[1:29:30] future meeting of council and that pursuant to the planning act

[1:29:33] requirements, the public meeting for zoning application ZBA 0726

[1:29:38] and official plan amendment OPA0326 is now completed at

[1:29:43] 8:29 p.m.

[1:29:46] Do I have a mover and second, please? Councelor Chilcott seconded by Deputy

[1:29:52] Mayor Wisler. All in favor? That is carried. We are jured.

Bayham Meeting of Council - September 3, 2026

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