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[0:12]
Good evening everyone and
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welcome to the
[0:14]
regular meeting of the
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Berlin City Council on September 28th.
[0:19]
I'm Jared Felch. To
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my right are
[0:21]
Brian D'Amico and Carl
[0:22]
Weisel. To
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my left are Chris Gaywood and
[0:25]
Flo Smith. Also with us is
[0:26]
our City
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Administrator Vince
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Conti. I declare
[0:29]
the meeting open. Are
[0:32]
there any additions
[0:33]
or changes to the
[0:35]
agenda?
[0:35]
Yes.
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sir.
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We are crossing out
[0:41]
the protocols.
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Good.
[0:49]
And there will be no
[0:50]
decisions regarding the position of
[0:51]
CFO today. Just
[0:54]
a few updates.
[0:55]
Good. Of course. Are there any
[1:01]
comments from the
[1:02]
public?
[1:07]
OK. Discussion of the "
[1:08]
Good Samaritan".
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If you want to come
[1:12]
here, please, we
[1:13]
would be happy to. It's
[1:18]
nice
[1:19]
to see you too. It's
[1:20]
nice to see you too. We
[1:22]
need to find a new
[1:23]
chair. It looks like a
[1:24]
child's.
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It's perfect for my height
[1:26]
. Sorry.
[1:29]
What is your name?
[1:30]
Hatch. Hatch.
[1:31]
Sorry.
[1:32]
Luke Jackson.
[1:33]
Welcome back. Yes, welcome back
[1:34]
. Thank you
[1:36]
for coming.
[1:59]
You provided great
[2:00]
information last
[2:01]
time. Thank you for
[2:02]
coming again. I'm
[2:03]
sure there will be more
[2:06]
Lukes here to
[2:06]
talk about
[2:08]
tax exemption. You
[2:11]
all received a package of
[2:12]
documents.
[2:14]
Questions arose about whether
[2:15]
they paid
[2:16]
taxes. This
[2:16]
information about what
[2:18]
they paid was
[2:19]
sent out. What would you
[2:23]
like to add? I think
[2:24]
we're at that
[2:25]
stage, right? This is an issue that is
[2:26]
currently on the
[2:27]
agenda. Yes,
[2:29]
do you have any more
[2:30]
questions or
[2:31]
information?
[2:31]
Yes, the process from
[2:32]
last month,
[2:33]
I think, yes. Is there
[2:36]
an answer?
[2:37]
And they, you know, they
[2:40]
pay their taxes on time now. The
[2:42]
last bill was
[2:43]
in mid-August, and
[2:45]
based on the decision, we
[2:49]
are determining the next
[2:50]
steps for everyone at this
[2:52]
point.
[2:54]
You know, long
[2:56]
story short. Yes. Um, if
[2:57]
everyone remembers the
[2:58]
story, right? Um,
[2:59]
before
[3:00]
the changes there, they
[3:02]
came to talk
[3:03]
about a potential
[3:03]
pilot program to
[3:05]
meet every year
[3:06]
to discuss. Um,
[3:07]
they didn't know
[3:08]
about some of this
[3:09]
information at the
[3:10]
last meeting either.
[3:13]
But again,
[3:14]
there are protocols.
[3:15]
Yes. If anyone
[3:16]
wants to
[3:17]
view them, they
[3:18]
have been sent as well. Here, in
[3:20]
short, is where
[3:21]
we are now
[3:22]
.
[3:23]
Yes.
[3:30]
I guess my question is
[3:31]
: is this something that
[3:35]
would interest
[3:35]
the organization—
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implementing a pilot
[3:37]
program instead of a
[3:38]
full
[3:39]
tax exemption?
[3:42]
Make some
[3:43]
payments in lieu of
[3:44]
taxes.
[3:46]
Hmm, I'm not sure
[3:47]
exactly how this
[3:49]
process works. But, you know
[3:53]
, we are of course ready for
[3:54]
any discussions
[3:55]
and needs. I, you know,
[3:59]
our main goal in all of
[4:00]
this is to
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make sure that we
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can keep the
[4:03]
property in good
[4:04]
condition and address the
[4:05]
maintenance issues
[4:06]
that
[4:13]
arise, including the
[4:15]
facility improvements that the
[4:17]
city of Berlin has asked us to make. We
[4:21]
met with
[4:22]
Mike, I think it
[4:23]
was Mike and Joe,
[4:24]
a few weeks ago to
[4:25]
talk about,
[4:26]
for example, our
[4:27]
code snippet. This is one
[4:28]
example of
[4:30]
property improvements, which is important
[4:31]
to us, but is nearly
[4:32]
impossible when you are
[4:33]
running an
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emergency shelter and doing
[4:36]
constant repairs and
[4:38]
maintenance.
[4:39]
Given
[4:39]
the use of the building
[4:41]
, it is difficult to undertake
[4:42]
such projects
[4:43]
while paying
[4:44]
full
[4:45]
property tax.
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So, keep going.
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continue.
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So, just to
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answer your
[4:50]
first question: what
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is our pilot
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project? I brought our
[4:53]
pilot agreement,
[4:54]
a copy of which I take and
[4:56]
review whenever I
[4:57]
can. And just
[5:01]
a reminder for the council
[5:02]
while he's here. In
[5:06]
the past, previous
[5:07]
boards agreed
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to meet
[5:09]
with them annually and
[5:10]
discuss their
[5:11]
status and
[5:11]
solvency.
[5:15]
Yes.
[5:16]
So, it was
[5:17]
agreed upon then. This is
[5:18]
recorded in
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the protocols. So
[5:20]
theoretically it's still
[5:22]
relevant for
[5:22]
discussion today
[5:24]
.
[5:24]
Yes.
[5:25]
And how many
[5:26]
real estate properties are there?
[5:28]
We now own
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shelters.
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And where exactly, because I'm
[5:32]
trying to remember.
[5:34]
Montpelier, Berlin,
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Barre City, and Barre in
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New England. We
[5:40]
own properties in
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Berlin, Montpelier, and
[5:42]
Barre City, and rent in
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South
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Burlington
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.
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Have
[5:53]
other cities offered you programs?
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Regarding taxes.
[5:57]
Any other cities?
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We have been enjoying the
[5:59]
exemption in Barre
[6:01]
City for decades. I do
[6:02]
n't...I would assume.
[6:03]
Last year, our tax exemption
[6:05]
was also renewed in Barre City
[6:07]
. So, as
[6:09]
part of our
[6:10]
process of sending these
[6:11]
forms to cities, Barre
[6:12]
City was on the list, and
[6:14]
Montpellier was on the list, too, because it's a
[6:15]
recently acquired
[6:16]
property.
[6:18]
Right.
[6:19]
Yes.
[6:19]
So, in Barre Town, do you
[6:20]
pay taxes?
[6:21]
In Barre City—no.
[6:23]
In Barre City, so you
[6:24]
said Montpellier,
[6:25]
Yes.
[6:25]
Berlin and only Barre
[6:26]
City?
[6:27]
They rent a
[6:28]
space in
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South
[6:29]
Burlington.
[6:29]
And they rent in
[6:30]
South
[6:30]
Burlington.
[6:31]
Of course.
[6:31]
Ahem. So theoretically we
[6:36]
could do this
[6:37]
every year. If we
[6:38]
were going to grant an
[6:39]
exemption, it could
[6:41]
be for 1 year. And
[6:42]
then watch it?
[6:43]
Or how often do you...
[6:45]
We do it in Barre
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City.
[6:46]
Well, it's definitely not every year
[6:48]
in Barre City, but I'm not
[6:49]
sure how often
[6:50]
it happens. Maybe
[6:51]
every 3 years.
[6:52]
Of course.
[6:53]
As I understood from the
[6:54]
council meeting, it
[6:55]
was presented as if
[6:56]
yes, they
[6:57]
would come to
[6:57]
council every year to
[6:58]
discuss what they
[6:59]
could or could not
[7:00]
afford. Regarding
[7:02]
taxes.
[7:02]
It would be more
[7:03]
like a pilot
[7:04]
program.
[7:04]
This is
[7:05]
instead of exemption
[7:06]
from payment.
[7:06]
This, this is
[7:07]
correct.
[7:08]
This makes a pilot
[7:09]
program or
[7:10]
tax exemption a kind of "
[7:12]
middle ground," in
[7:13]
my opinion.
[7:14]
Yes.
[7:14]
Of course? It's neither one nor the
[7:17]
other, it's something in between.
[7:19]
True.
[7:20]
The Council tried to be The
[7:21]
Council tried to be
[7:23]
flexible and how did I
[7:24]
interpret that then?
[7:25]
What are the annual taxes
[7:27]
?
[7:27]
Sorry, I have this
[7:28]
data. I Yes, I do
[7:31]
n't have an exact number.
[7:33]
Somewhere around 30 thousand.
[7:35]
This is 30 something.
[7:37]
30
[7:37]
26 39 28. Does it seem true?
[7:43]
Yes.
[7:44]
I hope so. $32,639.28. And
[7:55]
they can pay
[7:56]
quarterly.
[7:59]
Yeah, I think, you
[8:00]
know, clarifying
[8:01]
the process, you know,
[8:03]
city policy
[8:04]
versus a pilot
[8:05]
program for cities
[8:06]
that is set up by the
[8:07]
state. So, I'm still, you
[8:08]
know, figuring out the
[8:10]
difference between city
[8:14]
policy and the
[8:15]
pilot program
[8:16]
that we talked about
[8:17]
earlier, which was a
[8:18]
state program
[8:19]
for cities.
[8:22]
Oh, you mean the one the
[8:24]
state pays?
[8:25]
Yes.
[8:26]
Oh, with
[8:26]
Here's a look at the
[8:27]
state pilot
[8:28]
program, which
[8:29]
differs from
[8:30]
our own
[8:30]
city
[8:32]
property tax policy.
[8:34]
This is good. Can I
[8:38]
ask a question?
[8:41]
I'm a little
[8:42]
confused. That 32,000 and
[8:44]
something you
[8:45]
just mentioned, was that
[8:46]
taxes? Are these both
[8:49]
city and school
[8:50]
taxes? And how is that
[8:53]
different from a
[8:54]
grant, which has to be
[8:55]
voted on at the
[8:56]
meeting, and I don't think
[8:57]
it can
[8:58]
include a
[8:59]
school
[9:00]
tax exemption at all.
[9:02]
Right. So I'll have to
[9:12]
look and
[9:13]
see. I just
[9:14]
got the resume. I
[9:15]
don't know if that includes
[9:17]
school taxes or
[9:18]
not. Um, there is no
[9:22]
tax distribution specified here. This is
[9:24]
just a quarterly
[9:25]
amount. I don't see a
[9:29]
breakdown here.
[9:31]
Yes, I I you know, or
[9:33]
it's
[9:33]
I I don't know. I
[9:34]
don't have this
[9:35]
information. Sorry.
[9:36]
So, Fran, I'm sorry. Are
[9:38]
you saying that this
[9:39]
should or should not
[9:40]
include school
[9:41]
taxes?
[9:41]
Well, I What Vince said
[9:42]
, about this being the
[9:44]
"middle ground" for
[9:45]
Grange, is
[9:47]
tax exemption. But, if I
[9:51]
recall, they
[9:52]
did it
[9:53]
wrong the first year, and they
[9:54]
were allowed
[9:54]
to be exempt from
[9:55]
school taxes,
[9:57]
but that's not possible, because
[9:58]
it's separate. You would
[10:00]
have to
[10:00]
contact the
[10:01]
school board.
[10:02]
A.
[10:03]
I think it's required to
[10:04]
consider any
[10:06]
dismissal, if I
[10:07]
remember correctly.
[10:08]
But if you're talking
[10:09]
about a pilot project,
[10:10]
then I think that's a completely
[10:12]
different story that I do
[10:13]
n't quite understand.
[10:16]
But the other thing is that
[10:18]
for
[10:19]
tax exemption there had to be
[10:20]
a vote in the hall. And
[10:23]
the decision was
[10:24]
made, how often? I
[10:26]
forgot how it is. 3 years, 5
[10:28]
years, it doesn't matter, but for
[10:29]
some reason it had to be a
[10:31]
vote in the hall. And
[10:33]
for a while the fire
[10:34]
department
[10:35]
That's right.
[10:36]
also did this, but
[10:37]
now they are part of
[10:39]
the municipality.
[10:59]
See if they have it.
[11:01]
That would be in March,
[11:02]
right?
[11:05]
It would be a special
[11:06]
vote, it would be
[11:09]
No, it should have been it
[11:10]
should have been in March,
[11:11]
it should have been it should have
[11:13]
been
[11:14]
Yes, but okay. Yes, it's
[11:15]
still an appropriation.
[11:36]
This is inaccurate.
[11:41]
I would probably advise
[11:42]
us to get more
[11:43]
information about the
[11:44]
actual tax
[11:45]
bill.
[11:47]
What? Is there a breakdown of what
[11:49]
it includes?
[11:50]
Right. And
[11:52]
the Process.
[11:53]
as to
[11:54]
where we should go
[11:55]
if this needs to be
[11:56]
put to a
[11:57]
vote in the floor. Uh
[12:01]
, and as for the
[12:02]
education tax,
[12:03]
where does it go next? So
[12:09]
, and also, I think you
[12:10]
might have a
[12:11]
conversation with your
[12:12]
organization about
[12:14]
what we have for the
[12:15]
pilot program, uh
[12:16]
, and then we'll
[12:17]
come back when
[12:18]
we have more
[12:19]
information. Sorry to
[12:23]
continue.
[12:24]
No problem. But
[12:26]
I think it's good
[12:27]
because
[12:27]
presenting it
[12:28]
gives you time to
[12:29]
review it with
[12:30]
your people. Was there a
[12:31]
third?
[12:33]
Sorry. Uh, to
[12:34]
see a breakdown of what
[12:36]
they're paying
[12:37]
now.
[12:37]
True.
[12:38]
What do I mean?
[12:39]
Education
[12:40]
vs. education
[12:41]
tax. What is the process
[12:44]
if we need to go
[12:45]
to a floor vote
[12:46]
for
[12:47]
tax exemption. Because it
[12:49]
seems to me that if we
[12:51]
wanted to make a
[12:51]
dismissal, it should be
[12:53]
put to a
[12:53]
vote in the chamber.
[12:56]
But as for the pilot
[12:57]
program, we could
[12:58]
solve it here. Uh, and
[13:03]
also just
[13:04]
having more
[13:05]
conversations in the future.
[13:10]
Uh, because if it
[13:11]
comes to dismissal,
[13:13]
and we have to
[13:14]
hold a
[13:14]
floor vote,
[13:15]
it should be a
[13:18]
town meeting.
[13:19]
I understand.
[13:20]
Yes.
[13:20]
Or special fees.
[13:23]
To have
[13:24]
We have to set
[13:25]
Yes.
[13:27]
If you would like to
[13:28]
clarify this issue,
[13:29]
perhaps you can
[13:30]
contact us and
[13:31]
we will return this
[13:32]
suggestion or
[13:33]
recommendation
[13:34]
based on this
[13:35]
pilot project. I
[13:38]
don't see anything here
[13:39]
about voting on
[13:41]
this. I don't know what it
[13:44]
could be. I'm
[13:48]
looking at Well
[13:51]
, I think we
[13:52]
need to study
[13:53]
history.
[13:55]
You filled out a
[13:56]
state application, it
[13:58]
says you, and
[13:59]
then the evaluators
[14:00]
recommended it,
[14:01]
you know, they either
[14:02]
recommend it or they don't,
[14:03]
and then it's
[14:04]
reviewed. Are
[14:06]
we talking about a
[14:07]
layoff or a
[14:07]
pilot project?
[14:08]
What are you looking at?
[14:09]
Release.
[14:15]
Okay, we need to
[14:16]
clarify.
[14:17]
Yes. I think so.
[14:19]
Get
[14:20]
confirmation of the
[14:21]
story. And then we'll
[14:23]
come back and
[14:24]
continue
[14:24]
the discussion. Good.
[14:27]
Thank you for your time and
[14:28]
patience, and maybe
[14:29]
we won't have to
[14:30]
ask you to
[14:31]
come back.
[14:32]
Good.
[14:32]
But we'll see.
[14:35]
Thank you, Luke.
[14:37]
Yes, sir.
[14:38]
Good.
[14:39]
Thank you for coming.
[14:40]
Thank you.
[14:40]
Goodbye.
[14:41]
We appreciate your work.
[14:43]
You too. Good.
[14:54]
Discussion and
[14:55]
decision on
[14:56]
repayment of loan for
[14:57]
fire truck. So, this has
[14:58]
already been discussed
[14:59]
several times.
[15:00]
Yes.
[15:01]
Let's just
[15:02]
look at the
[15:03]
solution. Are
[15:05]
we making decisions?
[15:07]
Um, so the payment for the
[15:15]
Quint fire ladder truck. The total amount
[15:19]
due, taking into account the
[15:21]
repayment period,
[15:23]
is 84,833.74. Um, for
[15:28]
that one. For
[15:31]
the Pierce truck,
[15:34]
the payout is
[15:37]
63,728.31. For the same one. So, the
[15:47]
loan dates were in, and I'm
[15:49]
reading Kelly's notes
[15:50]
because she couldn't be
[15:51]
here, as I mentioned
[15:52]
earlier. The interest rate
[16:00]
on loans
[16:01]
is 6.21%.
[16:07]
Paid as of
[16:08]
today, um, for the
[16:09]
tower truck,
[16:11]
um, interest
[16:12]
is approximately
[16:14]
2676. And for the truck—
[16:19]
2016 with pennies. So,
[16:28]
again, Joe, do
[16:32]
you have anything, boss, you
[16:33]
want to say about
[16:34]
this? I
[16:37]
suppose so.
[16:39]
Of course. I mean,
[16:41]
paying off
[16:42]
loans is really the
[16:43]
right thing to do.
[16:45]
All I would
[16:46]
ask is that the council
[16:48]
consider the
[16:48]
possibility when
[16:50]
formulating the budget
[16:51]
for next year, I
[16:52]
believe 2027. Um, so
[17:00]
we leave this
[17:02]
expense line as is and
[17:02]
direct it,
[17:04]
perhaps, to CIP for
[17:05]
the replacement of the next
[17:06]
vehicle
[17:07]
. You know, I tried to stick to
[17:15]
the plan to
[17:16]
buy a new
[17:17]
rescue vehicle,
[17:18]
since it's the
[17:19]
workhorse of that department.
[17:24]
I began to realize that
[17:25]
we probably wouldn't
[17:26]
see a new
[17:27]
car at that
[17:28]
station for a while
[17:29]
. I think the board of
[17:35]
commissioners, um,
[17:36]
all parties should
[17:37]
accept the fact that
[17:38]
if we buy
[17:39]
used
[17:40]
vehicles, our maintenance costs
[17:43]
will remain
[17:44]
high. Because
[17:48]
whoever owned them in the first place has
[17:49]
already
[17:50]
squeezed all the juice out of them
[17:51]
. That's all I
[17:56]
wanted to say.
[17:58]
2.3 years—that's how long it
[18:00]
will take to pay off.
[18:02]
Here it is.
[18:16]
This is East Rise.
[18:18]
OK.
[18:19]
Yes.
[18:23]
And we have the money for it, don't we
[18:24]
?
[18:25]
This is included in the
[18:26]
department's budget
[18:27]
.
[18:28]
This is
[18:30]
the money we
[18:31]
transferred to the city.
[18:33]
Yes.
[18:36]
pay it off.
[18:37]
Yes.
[18:38]
It doesn't seem right, does it
[18:40]
?
[18:41]
Yes.
[18:45]
high interest rates.
[18:47]
These are very high
[18:48]
percentages.
[18:49]
Yes.
[18:50]
You won't see the
[18:51]
check there. You won't see the
[18:52]
check there. Sorry, I
[18:53]
know you're
[18:54]
looking for it. You won't
[18:55]
see any checks there.
[18:56]
It's going to be, um
[18:57]
No, I'm just looking
[18:58]
at
[18:59]
Okay.
[18:59]
Good. I didn't know if you were
[19:01]
looking for checks.
[19:01]
No, no, no. Sorry. No,
[19:03]
I was just looking, no,
[19:04]
I just wanted
[19:05]
to see what the
[19:06]
offer said, and
[19:10]
Yes, and these are high
[19:11]
percentages.
[19:11]
Yes, they are tall.
[19:13]
OK.
[19:17]
This seems like a
[19:18]
financially sound
[19:19]
decision, given
[19:21]
the high interest rates, the
[19:22]
fact that Joe
[19:23]
explained everything clearly today, and
[19:25]
that the funds are available,
[19:26]
have been transferred to the city, and are
[19:27]
sufficient. In
[19:33]
today's economy, it's
[19:34]
worth saving on
[19:35]
high interest
[19:36]
rates when you
[19:37]
can. I
[19:41]
recommend this.
[19:56]
I am making a motion
[19:57]
to pay off
[19:58]
the debt owed on a
[20:00]
2008 Pierce fire truck
[20:02]
in the amount of
[20:04]
$63,728.31 to
[20:06]
Eastrise Credit Union. And also
[20:08]
for a 2001 Pierce fire truck
[20:11]
with a 100-foot
[20:12]
platform in the
[20:14]
amount of $84,833.74 to
[20:18]
Eastrise Credit Union.
[20:21]
I support. Everyone who is
[20:23]
"in favor"?
[20:24]
By.
[20:25]
Who is "against"? Thank you very much
[20:28]
.
[20:28]
Thanks, Joe.
[20:36]
Let's move on to a review
[20:38]
and discussion of
[20:39]
the position of
[20:40]
CFO.
[20:41]
So, we had
[20:42]
several candidates. Um
[20:44]
, we did two
[20:45]
interviews. We
[20:47]
reached out to the other
[20:49]
two of the
[20:50]
top four. One
[20:51]
has already accepted another
[20:52]
offer. Um, and the
[20:55]
other one didn't respond
[20:56]
to follow-up
[20:56]
emails or
[20:58]
phone calls
[20:59]
to the number on the resume.
[21:01]
Um,
[21:02]
no return calls. We
[21:03]
recently received
[21:05]
another resume, which is
[21:06]
currently under review.
[21:09]
Um, so my
[21:10]
recommendation is
[21:11]
probably to postpone
[21:13]
it for another week.
[21:14]
We'll see if
[21:15]
additional resumes come in
[21:16]
. It would be a good idea to
[21:17]
interview
[21:18]
at least three,
[21:19]
if not four,
[21:20]
people. And then
[21:21]
make a better
[21:22]
decision about what
[21:23]
stage we are at. And what should
[21:26]
we do next? So
[21:28]
we won't, uh We didn't
[21:31]
get the result we expected with all the
[21:32]
resumes we
[21:33]
received
[21:34]
. So, I
[21:35]
think we shouldn't
[21:37]
rush. A little
[21:38]
longer. This is my
[21:40]
recommendation.
[21:41]
Reasonably. So, some did
[21:44]
n't. Sorry, some didn't
[21:45]
respond to
[21:46]
One responded. I wasn't
[21:48]
interested anymore. He
[21:49]
found another job.
[21:50]
Another didn't
[21:51]
answer
[21:52]
a call at all, leaving a
[21:53]
voicemail, or an
[21:54]
email
[21:56]
asking if
[21:57]
they were still interested. And
[22:00]
we sent By the way, to
[22:01]
those who were selected for an
[22:03]
interview, we also
[22:04]
sent a letter of
[22:05]
congratulations: they say,
[22:07]
congratulations, you passed the
[22:08]
first stage. We
[22:10]
will contact you
[22:12]
to schedule an
[22:13]
interview. So, three
[22:15]
tries—and, you know, we
[22:17]
move on. We
[22:19]
will not wait. So,
[22:25]
here's the news.
[22:26]
Is the vacancy still
[22:27]
posted?
[22:27]
We're
[22:29]
actually going to
[22:31]
update it this
[22:32]
week. Let's give it a week,
[22:34]
see what
[22:35]
stage we're at, and then
[22:36]
take a break. We'll add
[22:41]
this to the agenda
[22:42]
again when we have
[22:43]
something new for you.
[22:45]
Next steps.
[22:46]
Thank you.
[22:47]
So, So, that's it.
[22:51]
Thank you. Do you have any
[22:52]
questions?
[22:53]
No.
[22:53]
Good.
[22:54]
Thank you for
[22:55]
Would you like to go another
[22:56]
way or what?
[22:57]
But no, I think it's
[23:01]
smart to wait and see what other candidates come up with.
[23:02]
OK. Then let
[23:03]
the fun begin
[23:04]
.
[23:04]
Mhm. E
[23:06]
Solid waste.
[23:08]
Schedule of upcoming
[23:09]
board meetings and
[23:10]
discussions/decisions.
[23:13]
So, your packages
[23:14]
have three schedules, for three
[23:16]
months: October,
[23:17]
November, and December.
[23:22]
It lists meetings
[23:23]
that have already been scheduled.
[23:26]
Meetings that are not yet
[23:27]
scheduled
[23:28]
need to be added. So
[23:32]
, we have a few, right? I would like to
[23:37]
schedule interviews with the
[23:38]
top three
[23:39]
candidates for the
[23:40]
board site. This is again
[23:44]
if the
[23:45]
council so desires. I would
[23:50]
advise that we will not be
[23:50]
able to
[23:51]
coordinate
[23:52]
all
[23:53]
three one after the other.
[23:55]
Of course.
[23:58]
I assume it
[23:59]
will be three separate
[24:00]
meetings, probably 1
[24:01]
hour each, so they
[24:02]
can go online and
[24:04]
present their
[24:05]
proposals to the council. I
[24:09]
think we have three
[24:10]
very interested,
[24:11]
good companies. You've
[24:13]
all seen
[24:14]
the information and stuff
[24:16]
, so Yes
[24:16]
.
[24:18]
We need to choose
[24:19]
dates and times, whether some
[24:20]
, none, or all of
[24:21]
you want to
[24:22]
attend this
[24:23]
presentation, and I will
[24:24]
schedule those
[24:25]
meetings immediately. So, this is
[24:28]
one series of meetings.
[24:31]
We need to
[24:32]
set dates for
[24:34]
something perhaps more
[24:35]
important, namely
[24:36]
budget meetings, with a
[24:38]
tentative date of
[24:39]
January 11. We need to
[24:42]
hold a final
[24:44]
budget approval meeting
[24:45]
no later than January 11th.
[24:48]
So the first meeting is
[24:49]
already scheduled, and
[24:50]
again, if you
[24:51]
want to wait and
[24:52]
see how it
[24:53]
goes, we don't
[24:54]
have to
[24:55]
set a schedule
[24:56]
tonight,
[24:57]
of course, but the sooner the
[24:59]
better. This will be
[25:01]
October. We have little
[25:04]
time, and we wanted to
[25:05]
get a lot done
[25:07]
before the start of the year. So
[25:09]
this is the second series of
[25:10]
meetings, right? This is
[25:11]
the schedule for budget review and
[25:12]
approval
[25:13]
. Now I think the
[25:14]
first meeting has already
[25:15]
been scheduled,
[25:16]
let's see how it
[25:17]
goes. I broke everything down
[25:18]
into parts, okay
[25:19]
? We
[25:20]
will cover most of it at the first
[25:21]
meeting. A lot of
[25:22]
this is pretty simple. The
[25:23]
main issue of the
[25:24]
first meeting will be the
[25:27]
road maintenance budget. Everything else is
[25:28]
councils, commissions, and
[25:29]
city administration
[25:30]
. We have already
[25:31]
discussed the issue of
[25:32]
salaries a little. So, we
[25:33]
know what
[25:34]
stage we are at.
[25:36]
Everything is clear with this question
[25:37]
. This
[25:38]
shouldn't take
[25:39]
long. And then,
[25:41]
next will be...we'll
[25:42]
probably
[25:43]
look at the police
[25:44]
and the fire department separately.
[25:47]
But after that,
[25:48]
there will be the fire
[25:49]
service, the police, and
[25:50]
then the
[25:51]
capital investment program
[25:53]
, which will require a
[25:54]
long
[25:54]
discussion.
[25:57]
Yes.
[25:57]
OK. There are things that,
[25:59]
depending on the course
[26:00]
chosen by the council,
[26:01]
will likely have to be
[26:03]
cut, trimmed,
[26:04]
or postponed. I think we
[26:06]
will have to make
[26:08]
several, I won't say "
[26:09]
tough", but
[26:09]
difficult decisions to
[26:11]
balance the budget
[26:12]
and make it as
[26:13]
stable as possible.
[26:14]
Yes.
[26:15]
And be sensible about
[26:16]
it. You know, there are
[26:17]
some other things we
[26:18]
want to start
[26:19]
planning a conversation about,
[26:20]
right? Regarding the office
[26:23]
space and that
[26:24]
property. So,
[26:26]
Yes.
[26:27]
All of this matters. Er
[26:30]
...So, from a
[26:34]
planning perspective, I'll give the
[26:38]
floor to you. I don't know
[26:40]
how much the council wants to
[26:40]
discuss this
[26:41]
tonight and
[26:42]
decide, and how much
[26:43]
we want to postpone
[26:44]
until later.
[26:44]
I have to go.
[26:45]
Of course. Of course,
[26:47]
you all have your own lives
[26:47]
outside of this
[26:48]
place. You'll probably
[26:49]
want to look at
[26:50]
some of your personal
[26:51]
charts. And so on.
[26:52]
So,
[26:53]
I
[26:53]
want to focus. I
[26:55]
want one or two
[26:58]
about Thursday.
[27:00]
Yes.
[27:02]
week 4 degrees
[27:05]
report today
[27:07]
about Wednesday. I can
[27:08]
send it out tomorrow.
[27:09]
The meeting has been rescheduled and
[27:10]
we are still within the
[27:12]
24-hour deadline.
[27:13]
If it's possible, we
[27:14]
could. I would be very
[27:16]
grateful. I have things coming up for
[27:17]
Thursday evening
[27:18]
that
[27:19]
I can't cancel.
[27:20]
I have no problems,
[27:21]
any option suits me
[27:22]
. Wednesday
[27:24]
or Friday.
[27:27]
Wednesday suits me
[27:28]
better than Friday.
[27:30]
So it's Wednesday.
[27:31]
So we can
[27:32]
gather here on
[27:33]
Wednesday. What, what
[27:35]
time period will that
[27:36]
be?
[27:36]
You tell me. What
[27:38]
suits you?
[27:39]
I can on Wednesday at 6:00.
[27:41]
This is the postponement of the
[27:42]
first budget
[27:43]
meeting from Thursday
[27:44]
back to Wednesday.
[27:45]
is tomorrow.
[27:46]
This should be the third
[27:47]
Wednesday, as
[27:48]
originally announced.
[27:49]
after sunset 6:30
[27:56]
Yes. 7:00, is that better?
[27:59]
Can we just Oh.
[28:01]
But that's the only thing
[28:02]
we're talking about. It's not like
[28:04]
I know, but I
[28:05]
hate starting
[28:07]
meetings at 7:00.
[28:07]
Yes.
[28:09]
Why can't you, why are you
[28:10]
here tonight?
[28:14]
Ahem.
[28:17]
7:00 is fine for me.
[28:19]
too, because it gives us
[28:20]
time for dinner and we
[28:21]
can still
[28:22]
stay. So
[28:26]
No, we will not
[28:27]
delay.
[28:28]
Who knows. But Wednesday is
[28:29]
definitely a good time for me,
[28:31]
and I'll be flexible with whatever
[28:32]
time
[28:33]
most people choose.
[28:33]
it. I just
[28:34]
need time. 7:00? 7:00?
[28:37]
Wednesday 7:00?
[28:39]
This is what I hear from
[28:40]
most people.
[28:41]
I, I am.
[28:42]
7:00?
[28:43]
Karl?
[28:44]
I might be here.
[28:47]
Physically, are we
[28:48]
in agreement?
[28:52]
Good.
[28:53]
Um, it's a tough time of year
[28:54]
for me, that's all. This is
[28:56]
, oh my god.
[28:57]
Time to act.
[28:59]
The phone is breaking
[29:00]
, and
[29:01]
I know that, and my family
[29:02]
can't
[29:02]
agree on what we're
[29:03]
doing, so I haven't
[29:04]
contacted you, and
[29:05]
I'm sure it's too
[29:06]
late, so I won't
[29:07]
bother you.
[29:08]
Uh, I, you know, have
[29:09]
evenings and weekends.
[29:10]
Well, I would.
[29:11]
You can work
[29:12]
in the evenings, right?
[29:13]
We're going to
[29:14]
meet on Saturday,
[29:15]
so we can
[29:15]
It's not uncommon
[29:16]
to work in the evenings.
[29:17]
I understand that when it
[29:18]
comes to
[29:19]
family, it's not worth even
[29:21]
thinking about.
[29:21]
Got it.
[29:22]
Stop thinking.
[29:23]
OK.
[29:24]
Wednesday evening.
[29:27]
Um, do we want to
[29:28]
schedule any
[29:29]
other meetings?
[29:30]
I would like to if we
[29:31]
can. Um, I'd like to
[29:33]
talk about
[29:35]
Monday the 12th. Because
[29:37]
now we have a
[29:39]
second
[29:39]
public hearing scheduled for this day.
[29:42]
Should we
[29:42]
cancel these
[29:43]
public hearings?
[29:46]
Should we
[29:47]
schedule them as the
[29:48]
first public
[29:49]
hearings? But if we
[29:51]
do, we
[29:52]
need to have a
[29:53]
meeting between
[29:54]
today and
[29:55]
this date. What
[29:56]
decision will the
[29:57]
council make?
[29:57]
I suggest we postpone
[29:59]
this.
[30:01]
That is, if
[30:02]
the wording is incorrect
[30:03]
, what's the point?
[30:04]
Right.
[30:05]
Yes, it will be the same.
[30:06]
We need to do
[30:07]
it once and do it
[30:09]
right, whether it's
[30:09]
now, in six
[30:10]
months, or in a year.
[30:11]
We need to decide
[30:12]
what exactly we are proposing
[30:13]
before we
[30:14]
hold the next
[30:15]
hearing.
[30:15]
Right.
[30:16]
I agree.
[30:17]
I don't want
[30:18]
to waste time on
[30:19]
fruitless
[30:20]
discussions again. We
[30:21]
need to prepare everything well
[30:22]
.
[30:23]
Put a rehearsal on the agenda
[30:25]
. Come on,
[30:27]
let's put it all together. So, let's
[30:28]
lay it out.
[30:29]
So let's put it off until the
[30:31]
12th.
[30:31]
Public hearings,
[30:32]
you have to hold a
[30:33]
regular meeting.
[30:34]
Right. I'm just
[30:35]
saying postpone the
[30:36]
public hearing.
[30:38]
My suggestion is to
[30:43]
hold a regular
[30:44]
meeting in
[30:45]
Riverton.
[30:47]
Yes.
[30:48]
This is a planned place.
[30:49]
Yes.
[30:50]
This is to
[30:51]
update information
[30:52]
for them.
[30:53]
Yes.
[30:53]
Maybe we
[30:54]
could meet
[30:56]
next week.
[30:57]
At 6:00 p.m.
[30:59]
and
[31:00]
what it should look like
[31:01]
Yes.
[31:02]
At least we
[31:02]
have to discuss it. Yes.
[31:04]
and then I can
[31:04]
gather all the details.
[31:05]
Yes.
[31:06]
if it suits you
[31:07]
.
[31:07]
Yes.
[31:09]
Can you just
[31:10]
say that October 12th
[31:11]
will be in Riverton?
[31:13]
Yes.
[31:13]
Right.
[31:14]
Yes.
[31:14]
This is to
[31:15]
provide residents with
[31:16]
the information we
[31:18]
promised them in June.
[31:20]
Um, we have some
[31:21]
updates, and others we do
[31:22]
n't yet. But we are doing our
[31:25]
best, we
[31:26]
promised to provide them with
[31:27]
an update, so we
[31:28]
feel it is necessary to
[31:29]
do so. And I don't
[31:32]
know if you saw
[31:33]
the meeting, uh, the meeting
[31:34]
last time, but we'll
[31:35]
also be
[31:36]
looking at
[31:37]
holding meetings
[31:38]
in different locations around the city
[31:40]
. So not just Riverton
[31:42]
, but other locations, we will
[31:44]
be contacting the UVM branch
[31:45]
to see if
[31:46]
we can hold a
[31:47]
meeting on Barre-
[31:48]
Montpelier Road as well.
[31:49]
Good.
[31:50]
In your office? I
[31:51]
don't know if I can.
[31:53]
We still have a meeting that week on the
[31:54]
15th, right
[31:55]
? Right.
[31:56]
Thank you.
[31:57]
I am grateful for that.
[31:58]
At that meeting, we
[31:59]
still have a
[32:00]
meeting on the 15th as well
[32:01]
. On the
[32:02]
15th?
[32:03]
Yes, this is a pre-election
[32:04]
meeting.
[32:05]
Oh, this is the Civil
[32:06]
Affairs Council.
[32:07]
This is the Civil
[32:08]
Affairs Council.
[32:08]
Yes.
[32:09]
True.
[32:10]
It's not...Well, it's...Well, it's
[32:11]
all together, yeah.
[32:12]
But not for
[32:13]
Well, well, I...That's good to
[32:14]
know. I'll put that on the
[32:15]
calendar when I put it together
[32:16]
so you're
[32:17]
right.
[32:18]
also had this as a
[32:18]
reference.
[32:19]
Mhm. This is great.
[32:20]
I'll just write "
[32:21]
Civil Affairs Council."
[32:22]
October 15?
[32:24]
And that too starts
[32:25]
at 6:00.
[32:25]
p.m. OK.
[32:27]
Agreed.
[32:28]
So, I
[32:29]
thank you, Brian.
[32:30]
Please. I have
[32:31]
a suggestion:
[32:32]
schedule a
[32:33]
budget meeting every
[32:34]
two weeks. If you don't
[32:35]
need it, you don't
[32:36]
need it. Maybe on
[32:38]
Wednesday, a week
[32:39]
when there are no meetings of
[32:40]
our elected council,
[32:42]
or on Thursday, or
[32:43]
We did one
[32:44]
first.
[32:45]
Maybe we'll start on the 21st
[32:46]
or 22nd, and then
[32:47]
hold them every
[32:49]
two weeks on a
[32:50]
schedule. Or we
[32:51]
keep it free
[32:52]
in case
[32:53]
these
[32:54]
meetings are needed.
[32:54]
All of the above.
[32:56]
Until January.
[32:57]
Yes, I'll plan it. I'll
[32:59]
plan it.
[33:01]
Well, I mean
[33:02]
they can be on
[33:02]
our calendar
[33:03]
when we are free. We won't
[33:04]
announce
[33:05]
them in advance,
[33:07]
well, until a week before the
[33:07]
meeting. So we
[33:08]
can always
[33:09]
cancel them if they are not
[33:10]
needed.
[33:12]
But you're holding...We'll
[33:14]
probably leave
[33:15]
at 7:00 too, right?
[33:16]
No, because it will get dark
[33:17]
earlier.
[33:18]
That doesn't mean I'm not
[33:20]
interested.
[33:20]
That's right. He works
[33:22]
in the light.
[33:23]
So working in the dark
[33:24]
is the next budget.
[33:25]
Well,
[33:26]
so the next
[33:27]
budget meeting is on
[33:29]
Thursday, October 22nd. Uh
[33:32]
, yes, or yes. If
[33:34]
you... If we want to
[33:35]
choose... I'm just saying
[33:36]
we choose evening
[33:37]
. I don't know which evening is
[33:38]
best for everyone.
[33:39]
It doesn't matter.
[33:40]
And then, perhaps,
[33:41]
alternate them.
[33:42]
I never work on
[33:43]
Sunday evenings.
[33:44]
Okay, I, well, I'm free
[33:46]
.
[33:46]
My idea is to have
[33:47]
them every week, starting
[33:49]
on the 21st, so we can
[33:50]
split them up: on the first one
[33:51]
we'll look at roads,
[33:52]
and you mentioned
[33:53]
fire service,
[33:54]
police, and
[33:55]
capital expenditures. I
[33:56]
think if we
[33:58]
Roads to...roads to
[33:59]
Wednesday. On the
[34:00]
30th, I know. I know.
[34:02]
So, it will be this
[34:03]
week, well, Wednesday.
[34:05]
Yes.
[34:06]
But if we start on
[34:08]
the 21st and look at
[34:09]
firefighters on the 21st,
[34:11]
police on the 28th, and capital expenditures on November 4th,
[34:14]
then we can't
[34:16]
hold a meeting on the 4th.
[34:18]
November 4th?
[34:19]
It's election night,
[34:20]
I think. Uh
[34:21]
, yes.
[34:22]
November? Yes, I think so
[34:24]
. Uh
[34:24]
, third? Third. That would be
[34:27]
Tuesday the 3rd.
[34:28]
Sorry.
[34:29]
Right.
[34:30]
Sorry.
[34:30]
No,
[34:31]
on your calendar.
[34:32]
This is an election. It's up to you.
[34:38]
Regarding our
[34:39]
Wednesday nights, do we
[34:39]
propose
[34:40]
meeting weekly
[34:41]
instead of every
[34:42]
other week?
[34:42]
I suggested every week.
[34:44]
Uh, we could have
[34:45]
meetings on the 21st
[34:46]
and the 28th. Consider
[34:47]
firefighters on the 21st,
[34:48]
police on the 28th, and then
[34:49]
skip 2 weeks
[34:50]
due to election night and the
[34:52]
busy first
[34:53]
week of November, and
[34:54]
move on to the 11th for
[34:55]
capital expenditures
[34:56]
. But at least, you
[34:58]
know, it would allow us
[35:03]
to start the
[35:04]
discussion sooner rather
[35:05]
than later, and it would be less
[35:06]
likely that
[35:08]
things would drag on, and it would be
[35:09]
better to make
[35:10]
our deadline of
[35:11]
January 11th than to
[35:12]
meet in a
[35:13]
week.
[35:17]
I agree to that. I
[35:18]
mean, December could
[35:19]
be...It would be great
[35:20]
if we could make it in
[35:21]
November. We do
[35:22]
n't have it. That's
[35:22]
right.
[35:26]
So, my thought is, do
[35:28]
we want to meet on the
[35:30]
21st, 28th, 4th, and 18th,
[35:31]
just to
[35:32]
reserve it
[35:33]
in case we need a
[35:35]
full review of the entire
[35:37]
budget?
[35:41]
That's right. Stop, stop. What
[35:43]
So, the 21st, the 28th and the 4th.
[35:45]
So, let's say:
[35:46]
police, firefighters,
[35:47]
capital expenditures.
[35:48]
I'll just say it: a
[35:49]
budget meeting.
[35:50]
Right. And then on the 18th,
[35:52]
do a full
[35:53]
inspection. The
[35:54]
21st, the 28th, and the 4th?
[35:56]
Do we want the 4th or the 11th,
[35:58]
since we'll all
[35:59]
be here on Tuesday
[36:01]
night?
[36:02]
Election night—3rd. I do
[36:04]
n't mind. I'm
[36:05]
fine with that.
[36:08]
I...I mean, it's
[36:09]
not like I have a
[36:10]
personal life.
[36:11]
Although I think I might
[36:13]
be away. I
[36:14]
may be away
[36:15]
next week, but
[36:16]
that's okay. Uh,
[36:17]
let's do the 4th.
[36:18]
Yes, I just realized
[36:19]
that this looks like my
[36:20]
Good. Let it be the 4th.
[36:22]
But the 11th one is missing.
[36:23]
Budget meeting on the 4th.
[36:25]
What is our...What is
[36:25]
Tuesday's
[36:26]
Yes. What...What is our
[36:27]
start time?
[36:28]
6:00 PM when we get
[36:29]
to that time. The
[36:30]
4th starts at 6:00 p.m.
[36:32]
Yes. And before that, it was
[36:34]
7:00 PM in October.
[36:36]
I'll put up the 21st at 7pm
[36:38]
and then the 28th on the website.
[36:42]
Thank you.
[36:43]
It's called
[36:44]
compromise, I guess.
[36:45]
Okay, so
[36:46]
I'll do everything I can
[36:48]
. I will do everything I
[36:49]
can.
[36:49]
Will this meeting be
[36:50]
recorded?
[36:51]
They will be
[36:51]
public.
[36:52]
Yes, these will be
[36:52]
public meetings.
[36:54]
Yes, they will be
[36:55]
public.
[36:55]
I understand that these are
[36:56]
public meetings. I'm
[36:57]
just curious, is this
[36:58]
...is this more than
[36:59]
usual, right? So, is the
[37:00]
4th hour free?
[37:02]
Yes.
[37:02]
And they will be invited. They
[37:04]
will be invited.
[37:05]
Thank you.
[37:06]
And then
[37:07]
What is the 4th number when
[37:08]
we work another
[37:10]
day? The
[37:10]
18th is a full
[37:12]
budget review.
[37:13]
Are we okay? I
[37:14]
was going to Okay, yeah,
[37:15]
that's good. We
[37:16]
may have to
[37:17]
hold another one, but
[37:18]
that's because the next one is... Are
[37:19]
you sure we'll
[37:19]
be ready by
[37:21]
then?
[37:21]
Well, even if not, we
[37:22]
can skip to
[37:23]
December, but
[37:24]
AND it's
[37:25]
right before
[37:26]
Thanksgiving.
[37:26]
And unless we
[37:27]
use the 18th
[37:28]
to consider something
[37:29]
else, like
[37:30]
capital investments
[37:31]
or something like that, then we
[37:33]
can only do something new in December.
[37:34]
Let's set it
[37:36]
for the 17th at 7:00, if everyone
[37:37]
agrees, simply because
[37:38]
it will be the final
[37:39]
assembly and will probably
[37:41]
take longer. Do
[37:42]
you mean the 18th
[37:43]
?
[37:44]
What? The 18th. Did I say a different
[37:46]
date? I meant Sorry
[37:47]
. I meant the
[37:48]
18th. Thank you. Do
[37:49]
we start at 6:00 or
[37:51]
7:00 on the 18th? At 7:00.
[37:52]
Why don't we start at
[37:53]
7:00 on the 18th?
[37:54]
6:00 6:00
[37:56]
just because I
[37:56]
think this is going to take
[37:57]
longer and we need a
[37:58]
break. Well, but we
[37:59]
still have We are not limited in
[38:01]
time. We still have I
[38:02]
mean, we still have
[38:03]
December, so it doesn't
[38:04]
have to
[38:04]
end that
[38:05]
night.
[38:06]
No, I just wanted to
[38:07]
outline it for
[38:08]
now.
[38:09]
No, no.
[38:10]
We call it a full
[38:11]
budget review, but
[38:12]
we may
[38:13]
need an
[38:14]
extra day for
[38:15]
CIP. I mean, there's a
[38:16]
lot of Yes, in
[38:18]
this CIP we need to
[38:19]
go through.
[38:20]
Just as a
[38:20]
reminder.
[38:22]
We have a personnel
[38:23]
policy. Let's
[38:26]
review the
[38:27]
addition we
[38:28]
made.
[38:29]
Uh,
[38:30]
which we haven't read yet
[38:31]
because I haven't received
[38:32]
any feedback on
[38:33]
it. Uh, and then it's
[38:35]
ready for signing. We have a
[38:38]
traffic ordinance coming up, for which
[38:39]
we also have to
[38:40]
hold two
[38:40]
public hearings.
[38:42]
Uh, finish this.
[38:43]
is the 26th. You have the first one.
[38:46]
Yes. But this is during a
[38:47]
regular
[38:48]
board meeting.
[38:49]
Right. So,
[38:50]
again, my
[38:51]
question is: you know, I
[38:52]
know you don't want
[38:54]
more meetings, but
[38:55]
do we want to
[38:56]
split them up? Uh,
[38:58]
make meetings
[39:00]
shorter? Maybe, I
[39:02]
don't know.
[39:02]
I think you should
[39:03]
add public
[39:04]
hearings to the
[39:04]
regular
[39:05]
council meeting.
[39:06]
Good. Good. I
[39:07]
will continue this. I'll
[39:08]
continue with this then. This is in
[39:13]
I will be on I will be Yes,
[39:14]
let's arrange a
[39:16]
night shift. I will
[39:18]
slow down. I
[39:19]
will slow down with
[39:20]
updating the resolutions,
[39:22]
maybe until winter.
[39:24]
Yes.
[39:24]
Right. And then we
[39:25]
will talk about
[39:26]
additional meetings
[39:27]
regarding
[39:28]
those resolutions. Let's
[39:29]
finish with
[39:30]
budgets.
[39:33]
This is where we are now, and
[39:35]
after that—so,
[39:36]
okay. Hmm, what did I
[39:40]
miss?
[39:41]
So,
[39:42]
you said something else.
[39:43]
Sorry. You said
[39:45]
...there was another
[39:45]
meeting that you
[39:46]
mentioned.
[39:47]
Well, there is...What did I say? Oh,
[39:49]
three meetings for
[39:51]
website interviews.
[39:52]
Yes. Do
[39:53]
we want
[39:54]
to schedule them
[39:55]
tonight?
[39:58]
I would like that. I would like to
[39:59]
participate
[40:00]
, and have you thought about day
[40:02]
or evening?
[40:03]
At the discretion of the council. I
[40:04]
warned all three
[40:06]
that it would likely be an
[40:07]
evening meeting,
[40:07]
as I expected
[40:09]
most of the
[40:10]
board members would want
[40:10]
to join. There is
[40:12]
great interest in this. Um,
[40:14]
but yeah, I...I work
[40:15]
at the will of the council, so.
[40:25]
They
[40:26]
will probably last about an
[40:27]
hour for this
[40:28]
meeting.
[40:29]
I estimate it's
[40:30]
probably an hour. I'll
[40:31]
probably schedule an
[40:32]
hour and a half in Teams,
[40:34]
but will
[40:34]
you put it before
[40:35]
our regular
[40:36]
board meeting like
[40:37]
we did today?
[40:39]
This is more on your
[40:40]
part.
[40:41]
I don't want to
[40:42]
do that because this isn't
[40:43]
exactly a public
[40:44]
meeting. The other two
[40:46]
companies could
[40:47]
join.
[40:48]
Okay, yes.
[40:49]
I would like to see
[40:50]
more, you know, for the
[40:51]
presentation.
[40:52]
Special meeting.
[40:54]
Can this be done
[40:54]
in a closed
[40:55]
session?
[40:55]
We could hold a
[40:56]
closed session.
[40:56]
No, no, no, but I don't
[40:57]
know how it
[40:58]
happens.
[40:58]
Well, we can't have a
[41:00]
full meeting unless it's
[41:00]
announced. It
[41:01]
will be announced.
[41:02]
Well, yes, but you can't
[41:03]
not invite people
[41:05]
if it's a public
[41:05]
meeting. You don't...you don't
[41:07]
We...we'll have to...
[41:08]
we'll have to...we'll have to
[41:08]
go
[41:09]
into closed
[41:10]
session, like you
[41:10]
said.
[41:11]
Yes.
[41:11]
For this, so I think
[41:13]
we could.
[41:13]
So, we could
[41:14]
hold a closed
[41:15]
session during the
[41:16]
regular session if you
[41:17]
want.
[41:17]
Start with a closed
[41:18]
session and move on
[41:19]
to a regular
[41:19]
meeting? That's what
[41:21]
I'm just wondering if
[41:22]
we could do
[41:23]
interviews with them.
[41:23]
Conduct interviews with them
[41:24]
.
[41:25]
Yes.
[41:25]
Recommendation—before
[41:27]
each of these
[41:27]
budget meetings. An
[41:31]
hour before.
[41:34]
Stand still.
[41:36]
I wouldn't recommend
[41:37]
it. But I was looking at a
[41:40]
week in October,
[41:41]
actually the following
[41:42]
week, you know.
[41:43]
That's what we're going for.
[41:45]
week. Yes. I was thinking of
[41:47]
just doing them,
[41:48]
even if it meant
[41:50]
doing more than
[41:51]
one presentation
[41:52]
per evening or all three in
[41:53]
one evening with
[41:54]
intervals. Um, or one every
[41:57]
night.
[41:58]
But I think this would be a
[41:59]
good week to have
[42:01]
them and get the
[42:01]
process started.
[42:03]
I don't...I'll try to
[42:04]
schedule all
[42:05]
three on the same day. It won't be
[42:06]
easy, but
[42:07]
we'll see how
[42:08]
badly they want to
[42:09]
get this job.
[42:10]
What is the approximate time of
[42:12]
each presentation?
[42:13]
You...
[42:13]
I'll say they'll
[42:14]
probably take
[42:15]
at least an hour.
[42:16]
I was thinking about an hour.
[42:18]
Well, you know what? I'll tell
[42:19]
them they have an hour.
[42:21]
And not a minute more.
[42:23]
Yes, that's all.
[42:24]
So, if we do
[42:26]
this on Wednesday the 7th,
[42:27]
starting at 5:00 p.m.
[42:34]
I'll bring the pizza.
[42:35]
Starting at 5:00 PM on
[42:37]
our website.
[42:38]
Don't forget about it.
[42:39]
I'll bring the pizza.
[42:42]
Presentations.
[42:43]
It's like a
[42:44]
steak dinner.
[42:45]
Do you think it will take an
[42:46]
hour?
[42:47]
I think it will take
[42:48]
three. I think a couple of them
[42:50]
will take...
[42:53]
So you're saying 6:00 PM?
[42:55]
That's what you said.
[42:57]
We agreed to start
[42:58]
at 5:00 PM.
[42:58]
Oh, at 5:00 PM?
[42:59]
From 5:00 p.m. to 6:00 p.m.
[43:00]
Giving them 45 minutes is
[43:01]
enough, but...
[43:02]
I'm counting on you. Do
[43:03]
you want me to give
[43:04]
them 45 minutes, Tony? I...I
[43:05]
can tell them about 45
[43:06]
minutes. I'll tell them about
[43:07]
30 minutes.
[43:08]
Well, the only thing is...I just
[43:09]
...we really want to
[43:10]
ask all
[43:10]
the questions at the end,
[43:11]
so it might delay the
[43:12]
process.
[43:13]
Their presentations. What do
[43:14]
you say, Karl?
[43:16]
I was going to say...I
[43:17]
was going to
[43:18]
suggest starting
[43:19]
at 6:00 PM, because our
[43:20]
meetings usually
[43:21]
start at 6:00 PM
[43:22]
if companies can
[43:24]
do that, and I
[43:25]
like 45 minutes
[43:26]
and 15 minutes for
[43:27]
discussion, but that's
[43:28]
just my suggestion. It
[43:30]
just seems to me that
[43:31]
it's 7:00 PM, 7:00–8:00 PM, and 8:
[43:33]
00–9:00 PM. That's why I
[43:34]
said we should
[43:36]
start at 5:00 PM.
[43:36]
If we're going to
[43:37]
do all three in
[43:38]
one evening, I thought
[43:39]
we'd break it up.
[43:40]
You were going to
[43:41]
try to do
[43:42]
all three in one evening.
[43:43]
The best approach for the
[43:45]
council, in my opinion, from what
[43:46]
I hear.
[43:48]
Good.
[43:48]
Yes, we can
[43:49]
do that.
[43:50]
7th at 5:00 p.m.
[43:51]
Yes, at 17:00 on the 7th.
[43:54]
So this is a face-to-face meeting
[43:55]
?
[43:56]
No.
[43:56]
Okay, so it's all through
[43:57]
Teams, so you don't even
[43:59]
have to come.
[44:00]
Oho.
[44:01]
No need, John, don't
[44:02]
give them ideas.
[44:05]
Why? You don't
[44:06]
need my background
[44:07]
noise, do you? Just
[44:10]
turn off the microphone. Oh,
[44:14]
great.
[44:17]
I don't
[44:18]
like it. I don't
[44:19]
like attending
[44:21]
meetings like at DRB. It's
[44:23]
very difficult to be on
[44:24]
the screen and not in the room
[44:25]
.
[44:26]
They are all about the schedule
[44:27]
on the website.
[44:28]
So, oh, you
[44:29]
mean the speakers?
[44:30]
Yes.
[44:33]
7th at 5:00 for all
[44:35]
three websites.
[44:36]
This is the 7th.
[44:37]
Time in October.
[44:38]
It will be at 5:00 p.m.
[44:40]
Yes. And I'll bring the pizza.
[44:43]
I have a small
[44:44]
burger. That is, I can
[44:46]
bring a burger to
[44:47]
Again, this is an
[44:48]
alternative. I have to
[44:49]
work with them
[44:51]
to get things sorted out.
[44:54]
So, okay. I
[44:58]
will check everything, try to
[44:59]
confirm it, and
[45:00]
then send
[45:01]
you these three completed
[45:03]
documents again for your review.
[45:06]
And we are holding December
[45:07]
.
[45:07]
And we are holding December
[45:09]
.
[45:09]
Like, okay. OK.
[45:13]
We want to target
[45:14]
No, we
[45:15]
will not do anything with the
[45:16]
charter change right now.
[45:18]
Right, while we're
[45:20]
talking about changing
[45:21]
my note. I'm not
[45:22]
going to
[45:23]
put up with this.
[45:24]
We'll do it later, we'll
[45:25]
set a date.
[45:26]
You could leave
[45:27]
We could consider the
[45:29]
26th if we're ready.
[45:30]
next time
[45:31]
No, let's just
[45:32]
leave it at that. So,
[45:34]
we'll have a
[45:34]
transportation
[45:35]
ordinance there, and then we
[45:36]
could do
[45:36]
Oh, this is a public
[45:37]
hearing on the
[45:38]
transportation
[45:38]
ordinance. Never
[45:39]
mind. I thought it was a
[45:40]
public hearing.
[45:42]
Give me directions
[45:43]
for tomorrow. Next
[45:44]
step. That's all I have
[45:47]
at the moment regarding the
[45:48]
schedule. What is it?
[45:53]
Well, nothing else
[45:54]
uses that
[45:55]
room on those evenings. I
[45:56]
didn't look at the
[45:57]
calendar.
[45:57]
Um, yes, there probably is something
[45:59]
, but I'll have to
[46:00]
move them to another
[46:02]
room. Let me
[46:04]
see.
[46:05]
We can always
[46:06]
go to New
[46:07]
Orleans.
[46:11]
All of them, the ball and the alley. There are
[46:16]
plenty of places there.
[46:21]
We just need to
[46:21]
warn you
[46:22]
in advance, right?
[46:23]
Yes.
[46:24]
OK. Board review and
[46:27]
approval of
[46:28]
award upon request
[46:29]
for proposals regarding
[46:30]
staff compensation.
[46:32]
Okay, some of you
[46:33]
have responded to the
[46:34]
posted
[46:35]
suggestions. Again
[46:37]
, this is something we
[46:38]
wanted to try to
[46:40]
complete by the 1st of the
[46:41]
year if we
[46:42]
could. My
[46:44]
recommendation to the board at
[46:46]
this time is
[46:47]
to award this request
[46:48]
for proposals to
[46:49]
MGT. And
[46:52]
accept their
[46:53]
offer,
[46:54]
invite them here and
[46:55]
start working. And
[46:57]
we should get
[46:58]
theirs based on that,
[46:59]
we should get
[47:01]
their presentation and
[47:04]
proposal either by
[47:05]
the end of the year or
[47:06]
right after the New
[47:07]
Year. Because we delayed
[47:09]
it on our end,
[47:10]
probably for almost 2
[47:11]
weeks. So, but right
[47:13]
now most of
[47:14]
their schedule
[47:15]
shows that they
[47:16]
can provide it to us
[47:17]
by the end of the year,
[47:18]
maybe after
[47:19]
talking to them. Also.
[47:21]
Good.
[47:22]
This is my recommendation.
[47:23]
What would the council like to
[47:29]
do?
[47:30]
I mean, I was the one I
[47:31]
thought about
[47:32]
when we were watching
[47:33]
Tak.
[47:33]
which is not what
[47:35]
you were looking at.
[47:36]
Again, they're not the
[47:38]
cheapest, but their
[47:39]
package as a whole, their
[47:40]
presentation, and the
[47:41]
resources they're
[47:42]
going to
[47:43]
give us, I think it's the
[47:44]
best option
[47:46]
for us. This is my opinion.
[47:50]
I agree with that. Are there
[47:55]
any other discussions?
[47:56]
No, I'm just looking
[47:57]
at the second option.
[47:58]
Good.
[47:59]
Second
[48:00]
Keep going, Karl.
[48:01]
company and look at the
[48:02]
weaknesses. That's
[48:03]
all. Ahem. I know I've
[48:08]
read them before, but I'm just
[48:09]
trying to remember.
[48:11]
OK. Good. Yes. I am
[48:15]
ready.
[48:16]
MGT.
[48:20]
I hate this
[48:21]
computer. I just can't get
[48:23]
the image to display.
[48:24]
I'm sure it's the
[48:25]
user's fault.
[48:26]
Um...Well, anyway
[48:27]
.
[48:31]
I propose to approve.
[48:32]
Yes, therefore, the proposal is
[48:33]
to approve the involvement of MGT
[48:35]
.
[48:35]
Award them a
[48:36]
contract.
[48:37]
Give me a contract.
[48:38]
I propose to award.
[48:39]
based on
[48:40]
the results of a request for
[48:40]
proposals (RFP).
[48:41]
Yes.
[48:43]
I support this
[48:44]
proposal.
[48:45]
Who is for it?
[48:45]
Ya.
[48:47]
Who's against? Thank you,
[48:50]
Vince.
[48:50]
OK. Thank you.
[48:52]
Here it is.
[48:55]
Okay, approval of
[48:56]
all licenses,
[48:57]
permits, vouchers, and
[48:58]
applications. Did
[49:00]
you want to open this
[49:02]
?
[49:02]
No, you can
[49:03]
handle it yourself.
[49:04]
I just need
[49:05]
new glasses.
[49:10]
I propose to
[49:12]
approve
[49:14]
payroll 2707 for the
[49:16]
period from September 6,
[49:18]
2026 to September 19,
[49:20]
2026, due on
[49:22]
September 23, 2026, in the
[49:24]
amount of $78,093.88
[49:26]
. Expense
[49:30]
warrant 27G06, checks number
[49:34]
26574-26616 and electronic
[49:37]
checks number 28-29 in the amount of
[49:41]
$315,928.35 cents.
[49:46]
Expense order 27G07
[49:48]
with electronic
[49:50]
checks number 33 and 34 in
[49:53]
the amount of $148,562.05
[49:55]
cents. Expense
[50:00]
warrant 27S04 with checks
[50:03]
number 4778-4786 in the amount of
[50:06]
$22,501.42 cents. I
[50:09]
support. Are
[50:13]
there any questions?
[50:14]
Can I ask
[50:15]
a question? Um, I've
[50:21]
noticed that we're
[50:21]
getting more of
[50:23]
these direct
[50:23]
payments along with
[50:24]
checks, but aren't they
[50:26]
listed? So are
[50:32]
they separate? I
[50:33]
tried to listen
[50:34]
when you spoke, but do
[50:36]
you understand what I mean
[50:37]
?
[50:37]
Mhm.
[50:38]
So I'm just
[50:38]
trying to understand
[50:40]
where exactly we are
[50:40]
approving them. I
[50:41]
mean, they're all
[50:43]
electronic, right?
[50:44]
But this...so I don't know,
[50:45]
but they're not listed in the
[50:46]
general list.
[50:48]
I need to
[50:49]
check to
[50:49]
make sure I'm
[50:50]
right. Again,
[50:52]
she was supposed to be here tonight for
[50:53]
this. But
[50:54]
yes, I told you why it's
[50:55]
not there.
[50:56]
Yes, yes, yes, yes.
[50:58]
Ahem. that direct payments
[51:00]
are included in the
[51:02]
total. That's why I started
[51:04]
explaining to him why
[51:05]
you don't see
[51:06]
some checks there, but
[51:07]
they are accounted for. Yes? In
[51:09]
general terms, but
[51:10]
I need to
[51:11]
confirm this. Ahem.
[51:12]
It looks like she might
[51:14]
need to add another
[51:15]
chapter. You would I
[51:16]
guess that's my
[51:18]
question. If you
[51:19]
want to see them
[51:20]
separately
[51:21]
Well
[51:21]
as a direct payment, yes,
[51:23]
not checks. Good. Yes.
[51:25]
We need to know what
[51:26]
they are in total
[51:27]
, and know where we are
[51:28]
approving them,
[51:29]
right?
[51:30]
Yes, I agree.
[51:31]
Perfectly.
[51:33]
Direct payment, indicated
[51:34]
separately. Without a warrant.
[51:36]
Chris, do you have anything?
[51:37]
Yes, that would be
[51:38]
ideal.
[51:39]
And that's clear.
[51:40]
Sorry. I didn't catch the
[51:41]
last part.
[51:42]
Say it again.
[51:43]
I said.
[51:44]
That made it harder
[51:45]
to swallow, didn't
[51:46]
it? This is a single payment,
[51:48]
right? This is not an
[51:49]
additional bill.
[51:51]
That $168,000?
[51:53]
Yes.
[51:54]
I believe this is the
[51:55]
last and
[51:56]
final one for now
[51:57]
.
[51:58]
Yes.
[51:59]
Behind that fence?
[52:01]
For that sidewalk.
[52:02]
Yes.
[52:02]
We'll talk
[52:03]
about this a little bit at the roundtable
[52:04]
.
[52:05]
Good.
[52:05]
Also.
[52:06]
Good.
[52:07]
I support. Who is for it?
[52:09]
By.
[52:10]
Against?
[52:12]
We will discuss this at the
[52:13]
round table.
[52:14]
Good.
[52:20]
We may
[52:21]
have to
[52:22]
go back. Maybe
[52:25]
I should
[52:26]
say this.
[52:28]
Just as long as you
[52:29]
sign and write,
[52:30]
just a note.
[52:33]
You should look
[52:34]
at the details for them, because
[52:35]
this is the same company
[52:36]
that is still working on
[52:37]
replacing the
[52:38]
culvert
[52:39]
on Painter Pike North.
[52:40]
Got it.
[52:41]
They do both
[52:42]
objects.
[52:43]
Good.
[52:43]
So, we don't want to
[52:44]
confuse them.
[52:45]
Yes.
[52:46]
And this should be
[52:47]
described in detail there.
[52:48]
This is actually very This is
[52:49]
very Pike North.
[52:50]
And Fisher Road.
[52:51]
Yes.
[52:52]
It was very
[52:53]
It was clear.
[52:54]
Yes.
[52:57]
Eh, a round table? There is
[53:00]
nothing for me today.
[53:02]
Chris?
[53:04]
Um, yeah, so in terms of
[53:10]
future spending by
[53:11]
cities with some of these
[53:13]
companies, I'll just
[53:14]
use PT Can as an
[53:15]
example, because that's one of the
[53:16]
most recent cases
[53:18]
.
[53:20]
Mhm.
[53:20]
Ahem. We
[53:24]
spent, I think,
[53:25]
thousands of dollars in that process, right?
[53:28]
For
[53:28]
attorneys' fees and so on
[53:30]
.
[53:30]
It was a considerable amount.
[53:32]
So maybe it's worth
[53:33]
considering
[53:34]
further discussion
[53:35]
. Maybe not
[53:36]
necessarily
[53:37]
tonight, but think
[53:42]
about it for the future
[53:43]
when these things
[53:44]
come up again.
[53:47]
Maybe these people
[53:48]
should cover
[53:50]
our
[53:51]
attorney fees and all that.
[53:54]
Just part of
[53:55]
the business. Part of the
[53:56]
deal, I mean
[53:58]
. That's right. So it makes
[54:00]
sense.
[54:01]
This was, this was one
[54:02]
of my roundtables
[54:03]
, uh
[54:04]
Okay, continuing with this
[54:05]
.
[54:06]
Mhm.
[54:08]
Remind me, did they
[54:09]
need us to
[54:10]
act before they
[54:11]
bought the building, or were
[54:12]
we just doing it out of
[54:14]
politeness? Because
[54:16]
maybe we should
[54:17]
just say we
[54:18]
won't consider
[54:19]
it until
[54:21]
MGM. I actually
[54:22]
agree with that. Yes.
[54:23]
Yeah, I mean, I do
[54:24]
n't think it was about
[54:26]
wanting to pay a
[54:26]
lawyer to
[54:27]
look at it.
[54:28]
True.
[54:29]
Yes, I don't know for sure.
[54:31]
Ahem.
[54:31]
Yes, I'm not asking you
[54:33]
specifically. I'm
[54:34]
just curious.
[54:35]
They were considering
[54:36]
purchasing the
[54:37]
building and studying it.
[54:38]
Both they and they didn't, both
[54:39]
they and they didn't buy the
[54:40]
building.
[54:41]
True. So, I
[54:42]
We sold it
[54:43]
So, but my
[54:44]
question is: why did we
[54:45]
immediately move on to having the
[54:46]
lawyer
[54:47]
do all this work
[54:48]
? If we did it
[54:49]
just for them because
[54:50]
they were studying the issue,
[54:51]
maybe
[54:51]
So we need, to
[54:53]
put a process in place. I
[54:54]
think that's the point.
[54:55]
Mhm.
[54:56]
Good.
[54:57]
And this, this should not
[54:58]
be at the expense of the city of
[54:59]
Verno.
[55:00]
you know.
[55:00]
True.
[55:01]
If there are costs
[55:02]
that
[55:03]
I, I will look at what is available
[55:04]
for the process or what
[55:05]
best
[55:06]
practices exist.
[55:07]
I mean, I
[55:08]
understand they
[55:08]
want to know
[55:09]
in advance, but
[55:10]
okay. This will cost
[55:11]
us money.
[55:12]
Simple answer:
[55:13]
assume you
[55:14]
will pay
[55:15]
taxes.
[55:15]
Until then, yes. Or, you, if you want to
[55:17]
pay to have
[55:18]
our lawyer
[55:19]
look at it.
[55:20]
True.
[55:21]
Yes, something and, and
[55:22]
Looking at it from the
[55:23]
perspective of the best
[55:24]
interests of the city.
[55:25]
Perfectly.
[55:26]
Yes, I agree. I'll
[55:27]
show you, I'll take a look to
[55:28]
make some
[55:29]
Thanks.
[55:29]
something written on the
[55:30]
spot. So some
[55:32]
rules. That's great, and
[55:35]
then regarding the candidate
[55:36]
for the position of
[55:37]
CFO,
[55:38]
maybe something can be
[55:40]
added there. Do they have
[55:43]
strengths in
[55:44]
investing our
[55:45]
money in places where
[55:46]
it can grow?
[55:48]
Yes.
[55:49]
there are time windows
[55:50]
when money could be
[55:52]
invested.
[55:53]
Certainly.
[55:53]
We, we're just
[55:55]
looking into this right now. And you'll
[55:56]
see when we
[55:57]
talk about
[55:58]
budgets, we've already
[55:59]
made some changes.
[56:01]
As an example, 2 years
[56:02]
ago we received
[56:03]
interest and
[56:04]
budgeted about
[56:05]
$5,000 for interest.
[56:08]
Last year,
[56:09]
MGM.
[56:09]
77,000.
[56:11]
Yes.
[56:12]
it's pooling
[56:13]
money and moving to a
[56:14]
higher interest rate, um,
[56:15]
just a higher savings
[56:17]
rate.
[56:17]
Yes.
[56:18]
in order for this money to
[56:19]
be stored there.
[56:20]
Yes.
[56:20]
We earned
[56:21]
77,72
[56:22]
thousand more than
[56:24]
we earned before.
[56:25]
This is a huge amount. I mean
[56:26]
, with
[56:28]
Absolutely.
[56:28]
with growth and requirements,
[56:30]
so
[56:30]
Yes. We mentioned it to you
[56:32]
, so it's your
[56:33]
fault. We
[56:34]
looked into this after
[56:35]
you
[56:36]
mentioned it and found
[56:37]
some easy
[56:38]
ways to do it
[56:39]
right now.
[56:40]
Yes, that's good. I am
[56:42]
wonderful.
[56:42]
And I'm sure there are more
[56:43]
complex banking
[56:45]
things we can
[56:46]
look into,
[56:46]
Yes.
[56:47]
but it was simple.
[56:48]
Yes.
[56:49]
We were able to do this immediately by
[56:50]
simply
[56:51]
moving to higher
[56:52]
interest rates with a
[56:53]
larger pool of
[56:54]
funds.
[56:55]
Yes. And this is huge
[56:57]
money. 77 thousand. I
[56:59]
mean, this is one of
[57:00]
our trucks.
[57:01]
Yes, that's right. I
[57:03]
mean, yeah, and we
[57:04]
should. You'll see
[57:05]
it. It will come up when we
[57:06]
talk about it.
[57:07]
Yes. Good.
[57:08]
started doing a little bit of
[57:09]
that. But is there anything
[57:10]
else? I am sure we
[57:11]
can do
[57:12]
more.
[57:12]
Yes, I'm sure there is,
[57:14]
and Yes. Good.
[57:15]
E I think it was
[57:19]
Yes. Thank you.
[57:21]
OK.
[57:23]
Well, I think this is a
[57:24]
clarification on
[57:26]
who is
[57:26]
responsible for the
[57:27]
interceptive
[57:28]
parking here. I
[57:31]
think I sent
[57:32]
you a message about the
[57:34]
residents in our
[57:35]
parking lot, which I
[57:36]
believe is state-owned,
[57:37]
but I don't know if there's
[57:38]
anyone we can
[57:40]
or should contact
[57:41]
about this
[57:42]
because it could be a
[57:43]
problem for the city.
[57:46]
Okay, I'll give you a name.
[57:48]
I'm sure there's a name.
[57:50]
We discussed this,
[57:51]
seeking the permission
[57:52]
we were expecting.
[57:54]
Yes.
[57:55]
What are the conditions there?
[57:56]
Fourth item on the
[57:57]
agenda,
[57:58]
Brede.
[57:59]
What?
[58:01]
Contact regarding
[58:01]
public parking.
[58:03]
Yes. I will find out for
[58:05]
you.
[58:05]
Thank you.
[58:06]
Can I go
[58:08]
back? I had another
[58:09]
one. And this
[58:11]
Can I ask you to
[58:12]
do more?
[58:13]
Sorry. So, I
[58:16]
chatted with him a little bit
[58:17]
about the "
[58:18]
Welcome to Rowley" signs, and
[58:19]
his schedule has been a little
[58:21]
crazy the last
[58:22]
couple of weeks. And mine is
[58:25]
going crazy. We
[58:28]
will try
[58:29]
to do something, but we
[58:30]
cannot guarantee anything. I will
[58:33]
do my best,
[58:34]
and this is a challenge. It will be e
[58:39]
We will just
[58:39]
have to cut
[58:40]
your salary.
[58:41]
I can go for it. Yes,
[58:43]
you can
[58:44]
fire me.
[58:46]
Fewer meetings for
[58:47]
you.
[58:48]
Anything you can
[58:49]
do, we appreciate.
[58:50]
Maybe I'll skip
[58:51]
a few meetings and
[58:52]
order catering. No
[58:54]
, thank you, Chris.
[58:56]
I appreciate you and know
[58:57]
you will do your
[58:58]
best within
[58:59]
your time.
[59:01]
Yes. That's all.
[59:04]
Thank you.
[59:04]
Sorry. Why does everyone
[59:07]
frown when it's
[59:08]
my turn?
[59:09]
Carlo, no, it's fine,
[59:11]
Carlo.
[59:15]
So I don't know if this is
[59:17]
on your list, but
[59:18]
today or this
[59:19]
week I suddenly
[59:20]
thought about the
[59:21]
Turnpike payment and what's
[59:22]
going on, because I
[59:23]
thought the money
[59:25]
had to be spent
[59:26]
before...I thought there was a
[59:27]
deadline for using
[59:28]
the funding.
[59:29]
This is next year.
[59:31]
What about the
[59:32]
culvert?
[59:32]
Yes.
[59:32]
No, everything is fine. Are
[59:33]
you sure?
[59:34]
Yes, a
[59:35]
culvert, yes. Yes,
[59:36]
sorry. I thought you meant another one
[59:37]
.
[59:37]
What about, um, is that
[59:38]
Richard Sanborn?
[59:39]
Is this correct?
[59:40]
Richard Sanborn, we're in
[59:41]
trouble.
[59:41]
Yes, we will have
[59:42]
problems. We have time
[59:44]
until, um, we're still
[59:45]
working, still
[59:46]
working with the state.
[59:47]
She was very
[59:48]
good. But from an
[59:50]
engineering perspective and due to
[59:52]
delays, we're
[59:53]
likely to have
[59:54]
problems with that. If there is
[59:56]
no breakthrough by
[1:00:00]
the end of November,
[1:00:02]
significant
[1:00:03]
progress will be made. We won't
[1:00:04]
be able to get another
[1:00:05]
sequel.
[1:00:07]
We already had three of them.
[1:00:08]
The fourth is usually an
[1:00:09]
unheard of thing.
[1:00:10]
Now if I push the
[1:00:11]
Well and
[1:00:12]
Berlin sides and work with the
[1:00:13]
city department
[1:00:14]
Yes.
[1:00:15]
maybe we can
[1:00:16]
do it.
[1:00:17]
Yes. Yes, but I will have
[1:00:20]
better information
[1:00:21]
after talking to her. I
[1:00:24]
think we have another
[1:00:26]
meeting the second
[1:00:30]
week of October.
[1:00:32]
So, what's the delay
[1:00:33]
on the engineering side? Does
[1:00:34]
n't this go on for
[1:00:35]
years?
[1:00:36]
Yes.
[1:00:37]
It's not that
[1:00:37]
difficult.
[1:00:38]
It, it, it
[1:00:39]
moves forward. It's
[1:00:42]
not, um, there were just
[1:00:44]
a lot of things in between that
[1:00:45]
happened and things didn't
[1:00:46]
go so well.
[1:00:49]
Mhm. We can
[1:00:51]
discuss this in more
[1:00:52]
detail later.
[1:00:54]
Good.
[1:01:00]
This is a risky object
[1:01:01]
Mhm.
[1:01:05]
Oh, never mind. I'm
[1:01:07]
done. I am everything.
[1:01:11]
Good.
[1:01:12]
Yes.
[1:01:16]
So, I have one
[1:01:17]
question, and it's one of
[1:01:19]
our favorites—the
[1:01:20]
sidewalk. Um,
[1:01:24]
actually, Mr. Schultz, a
[1:01:26]
representative from
[1:01:27]
Mr. Sanders' office, is
[1:01:28]
also in touch with us right now
[1:01:30]
, because he's
[1:01:30]
obviously very
[1:01:31]
interested in this
[1:01:33]
project and the
[1:01:33]
funding. And one
[1:01:38]
of the things that came out
[1:01:39]
of our meeting with
[1:01:40]
the state is that no matter
[1:01:42]
what we decide
[1:01:43]
at this late
[1:01:44]
stage, any
[1:01:45]
action will require an
[1:01:46]
extension of time
[1:01:47]
. So we are announcing this right
[1:01:49]
now. Um,
[1:01:53]
but there is interest,
[1:01:55]
the question is whether there are
[1:01:56]
other projects in which we would be
[1:01:58]
interested in
[1:01:59]
investing this money, this
[1:02:00]
1.6 million, that are
[1:02:01]
related to
[1:02:02]
pedestrian or
[1:02:03]
bicycle
[1:02:04]
infrastructure or
[1:02:06]
multi-purpose
[1:02:07]
paths. He
[1:02:14]
raised this question and
[1:02:15]
asked me
[1:02:16]
to ask the council if
[1:02:17]
they had any
[1:02:18]
ideas.
[1:02:21]
Yes, the initial
[1:02:22]
project.
[1:02:22]
Well, that's what we were
[1:02:23]
talking about. Besides,
[1:02:25]
I'll have to
[1:02:26]
go back and
[1:02:26]
see what
[1:02:28]
stage
[1:02:28]
the mall is at,
[1:02:30]
right? But it
[1:02:31]
was mentioned as one
[1:02:33]
of the projects.
[1:02:35]
Original.
[1:02:37]
Right.
[1:02:37]
Return to
[1:02:38]
the original.
[1:02:39]
That would be ideal.
[1:02:42]
Another option
[1:02:44]
discussed was a
[1:02:45]
3.8-acre trail.
[1:02:47]
From Burlington to
[1:02:48]
school.
[1:02:49]
Yes. Is
[1:02:49]
n't that right? Which
[1:02:50]
will require
[1:02:51]
significant funds due to the
[1:02:52]
bridge that needs to be
[1:02:53]
built over
[1:02:53]
wetlands.
[1:02:54]
Right. But this is
[1:02:56]
another potential
[1:02:57]
option.
[1:02:59]
I was thinking about this
[1:03:01]
because I have repeatedly
[1:03:02]
received calls
[1:03:03]
from residents regarding
[1:03:05]
people walking
[1:03:06]
along Route 62.
[1:03:09]
Yes.
[1:03:10]
And about the children
[1:03:15]
walking on the side of the
[1:03:16]
road. I understand that
[1:03:19]
this applies to people
[1:03:21]
walking, and
[1:03:23]
Yes.
[1:03:23]
Where do they go?
[1:03:24]
Yes.
[1:03:26]
But I've had residents call me
[1:03:27]
asking what we're
[1:03:29]
going to
[1:03:30]
do about it because they don't
[1:03:31]
want to see
[1:03:32]
little kids
[1:03:33]
getting into...
[1:03:34]
They don't go to
[1:03:35]
school, right? Are they
[1:03:37]
just leaving? I
[1:03:38]
mean, I don't.
[1:03:41]
So, I was told that there
[1:03:42]
are those who go there with their
[1:03:43]
parents to school,
[1:03:44]
but there are also those who go
[1:03:46]
and then cross the
[1:03:47]
street to get to
[1:03:53]
Applebee's or something
[1:03:54]
else there. Ahem.
[1:03:57]
Yes, no, just curious
[1:03:58]
, because
[1:03:59]
Yes.
[1:03:59]
So, of course,
[1:04:03]
I think it opens up
[1:04:04]
possibilities if we
[1:04:05]
make a path there,
[1:04:10]
what is the school's position
[1:04:16]
on this in terms of
[1:04:17]
safety?
[1:04:19]
From what I understand
[1:04:20]
from previous
[1:04:21]
staff
[1:04:22]
who
[1:04:24]
worked on this,
[1:04:25]
conversations were ongoing with the school
[1:04:26]
and they were
[1:04:27]
very interested in
[1:04:28]
it. One of the
[1:04:29]
main reasons was that
[1:04:30]
it would provide
[1:04:31]
them with an escape route
[1:04:32]
in case of an
[1:04:34]
emergency. As far as I
[1:04:35]
understand, they don't have it right now
[1:04:36]
. They
[1:04:40]
also tried
[1:04:41]
to look into the future
[1:04:43]
so that if
[1:04:44]
young families moved into a
[1:04:46]
nearby housing estate, they would have a
[1:04:47]
safe walking
[1:04:48]
route to school.
[1:04:51]
Or on a bike, or
[1:04:52]
whatever.
[1:04:53]
No, because the residents
[1:04:54]
were worried that if
[1:04:56]
we put a
[1:04:56]
path there, people would start
[1:04:58]
walking.
[1:04:58]
Yes.
[1:05:00]
from that area to
[1:05:01]
school, and then they will
[1:05:02]
walk along the school
[1:05:04]
paths, etc. Are there any
[1:05:07]
security issues there? So, I hear
[1:05:08]
it from both sides.
[1:05:11]
I...there was a lot of...
[1:05:12]
I understand there
[1:05:13]
was also a lot of
[1:05:15]
discussion about the
[1:05:15]
general safety of the
[1:05:17]
path that goes
[1:05:18]
through that wetland
[1:05:19]
area, right?
[1:05:21]
Yes.
[1:05:23]
This is definitely a
[1:05:25]
factor to
[1:05:26]
consider for people and
[1:05:27]
children.
[1:05:29]
Yes. I remember that, but I
[1:05:31]
also remember that there
[1:05:33]
was...it was an
[1:05:33]
extremely high
[1:05:35]
cost.
[1:05:37]
Ugh. I
[1:05:37]
don't know if we had an
[1:05:39]
official
[1:05:42]
I think, if memory
[1:05:43]
serves, from
[1:05:44]
one of those
[1:05:45]
meetings, the project was
[1:05:46]
completely rejected
[1:05:47]
because of
[1:05:48]
wetland procedures.
[1:05:50]
Well, I think it's partly
[1:05:51]
because of the cost of
[1:05:52]
going through this
[1:05:53]
process.
[1:05:54]
Yes, this very
[1:05:55]
process. Yes.
[1:05:56]
Ugh.
[1:05:56]
Yes. But...but you're
[1:05:58]
right. I think that's a
[1:05:59]
big part of the
[1:06:00]
problem.
[1:06:02]
Let me propose an
[1:06:03]
unconventional idea,
[1:06:04]
okay? On Route 62, there
[1:06:07]
's actually an
[1:06:08]
overly wide
[1:06:09]
emergency
[1:06:11]
stop lane there, right? Is it
[1:06:16]
possible or advisable
[1:06:18]
to install, say,
[1:06:19]
a fence that
[1:06:20]
would provide sufficient
[1:06:21]
width for walking and
[1:06:22]
preserve an
[1:06:23]
emergency stop lane?
[1:06:27]
strip. I
[1:06:29]
don't know if it's a state law. I
[1:06:31]
think it's a
[1:06:32]
state law that
[1:06:33]
prohibits
[1:06:34]
pedestrian access to
[1:06:35]
these highways. You have to
[1:06:36]
get permission from the
[1:06:37]
state.
[1:06:37]
They can
[1:06:38]
ban as much as they
[1:06:39]
want. It still
[1:06:40]
happens. And they
[1:06:41]
don't enforce it
[1:06:41]
and
[1:06:42]
don't do anything about it.
[1:06:43]
Yeah, but I
[1:06:44]
mean we won't
[1:06:45]
get the permits
[1:06:46]
until they...they would have to
[1:06:46]
...We have to
[1:06:47]
...They would have to
[1:06:48]
do...I don't even
[1:06:49]
know if they can.
[1:06:50]
So, what can I
[1:06:51]
ask? I'm not saying
[1:06:53]
we can't ask
[1:06:54]
Yes, I was just about to
[1:06:55]
say that. I can
[1:06:56]
ask. By the way,
[1:06:57]
Eric is here today.
[1:06:58]
I guess we'll have a
[1:06:59]
meeting with the
[1:07:00]
state representatives next
[1:07:01]
, and that's something I can
[1:07:02]
ask them about. Maybe
[1:07:04]
with a little
[1:07:04]
help from Eric,
[1:07:06]
they'll consider this as a
[1:07:07]
viable option
[1:07:08]
. Here are three options
[1:07:10]
. Which we talked about tonight
[1:07:14]
Is there an option to involve
[1:07:16]
all three participants
[1:07:17]
together?
[1:07:18]
Of course.
[1:07:18]
You know.
[1:07:19]
Of course.
[1:07:20]
Having Eric, having
[1:07:22]
Let me
[1:07:23]
clarify, Eric...
[1:07:24]
Vince, you're
[1:07:25]
off the mic now,
[1:07:26]
but is there anything you'd
[1:07:27]
like to add or
[1:07:28]
say now? Your
[1:07:29]
thoughts?
[1:07:31]
Yes. Em. I
[1:07:32]
don't want to single you out,
[1:07:33]
but I will still single you out
[1:07:34]
No, don't worry. I, I
[1:07:36]
apologize, I'm sorry.
[1:07:37]
I'm sitting here at the
[1:07:38]
dinner table. Thank you
[1:07:39]
for letting me
[1:07:40]
join at the
[1:07:41]
last minute. No, I'm
[1:07:43]
grateful you let me in
[1:07:44]
. My name is
[1:07:46]
Eric Schultz. I
[1:07:47]
handle
[1:07:48]
transportation issues for the
[1:07:49]
senator. I know that
[1:07:52]
this project has a long
[1:07:54]
history, and a lot of it
[1:07:55]
happened before me.
[1:08:00]
So I just ask you
[1:08:01]
to continue the work
[1:08:02]
and be open to
[1:08:04]
discussing
[1:08:04]
options for
[1:08:05]
using this
[1:08:06]
funding. Our
[1:08:11]
position is clear:
[1:08:13]
the senator put
[1:08:14]
himself at risk to
[1:08:15]
secure this
[1:08:16]
$1.6 million in
[1:08:18]
funding. If
[1:08:22]
the term
[1:08:22]
expires—which is at
[1:08:24]
the end of
[1:08:24]
next September—
[1:08:26]
that $1.6 million
[1:08:27]
will return to
[1:08:28]
the Treasury, and we
[1:08:29]
won't be able to
[1:08:31]
redistribute it
[1:08:32]
within the state. So your
[1:08:36]
city, like the entire state,
[1:08:38]
will lose that
[1:08:39]
$1.6 million
[1:08:40]
earmarked for
[1:08:41]
improving our
[1:08:42]
infrastructure. I
[1:08:46]
like what I
[1:08:48]
hear. Vince, can
[1:08:52]
you talk about that
[1:08:53]
third idea, which is
[1:08:54]
downtown? You can
[1:08:57]
just...
[1:08:58]
Yes.
[1:08:58]
Just give me...
[1:09:00]
Yes. So, it's in the
[1:09:02]
city center. It runs
[1:09:06]
along Highway 62, a
[1:09:07]
small section of
[1:09:08]
state highway, the
[1:09:09]
intersection
[1:09:11]
we always talk about
[1:09:12]
near the school that leads to
[1:09:14]
Highway 62.
[1:09:16]
Yes.
[1:09:17]
That's what we're
[1:09:18]
talking about, along it
[1:09:19]
, and it also
[1:09:20]
connects to the road
[1:09:21]
to the mall.
[1:09:23]
So it runs
[1:09:25]
from the road to
[1:09:26]
the mall to the
[1:09:27]
intersection of Painter and
[1:09:28]
Bike North, right next to
[1:09:30]
Highway 62. As you just
[1:09:34]
heard from the council,
[1:09:35]
the biggest challenge
[1:09:36]
is getting
[1:09:37]
permission from the
[1:09:38]
state itself for something like this
[1:09:41]
This is considered a
[1:09:43]
limited access highway.
[1:09:44]
Got it. Got it.
[1:09:46]
There are very clear
[1:09:48]
rules about what is
[1:09:49]
allowed and what is not.
[1:09:51]
Yes. Yes. And if we
[1:09:58]
go back to the
[1:09:59]
original plan,
[1:10:00]
so to speak, to the
[1:10:01]
original scope of
[1:10:02]
this
[1:10:03]
mall project,
[1:10:04]
Vince, where do you think
[1:10:07]
this discussion is at now? Have
[1:10:13]
you talked to anyone
[1:10:15]
from the mall
[1:10:16]
lately? And, I
[1:10:17]
mean, what do you
[1:10:19]
think about that?
[1:10:20]
So, since our
[1:10:21]
last conversation,
[1:10:22]
I haven't been able
[1:10:23]
to talk to anyone
[1:10:24]
at the mall yet.
[1:10:25]
Yes.
[1:10:27]
After our
[1:10:28]
last
[1:10:28]
discussion or
[1:10:29]
meeting with the state, I will
[1:10:31]
be contacting them
[1:10:32]
this week to
[1:10:33]
find a time to
[1:10:33]
discuss their
[1:10:34]
thoughts on that
[1:10:35]
initial
[1:10:36]
conceptual
[1:10:37]
plan that was
[1:10:38]
proposed earlier
[1:10:41]
Of course.
[1:10:42]
And what stage are they at
[1:10:43]
now?
[1:10:45]
I just want to
[1:10:46]
point this out, because as I
[1:10:48]
understood it, we went
[1:10:52]
to the
[1:10:53]
sidewalk option because
[1:10:54]
we needed to
[1:10:55]
spend these funds,
[1:10:56]
they were supposed to be
[1:10:57]
used this year.
[1:10:59]
This fall. And we wouldn't have had
[1:11:01]
time, because the
[1:11:02]
shopping center chose a
[1:11:04]
different option due to the
[1:11:05]
large number of
[1:11:06]
other projects. They
[1:11:07]
said that now is not the
[1:11:08]
best time to
[1:11:09]
implement a
[1:11:10]
multi-use
[1:11:11]
trail. But this was the
[1:11:12]
initial option.
[1:11:13]
This is the best-case
[1:11:14]
scenario if we
[1:11:15]
can get back
[1:11:16]
to that
[1:11:16]
multi-use
[1:11:18]
path. It was about
[1:11:19]
her that we conducted
[1:11:20]
a survey. I
[1:11:21]
mean, at least in
[1:11:23]
my opinion. I speak
[1:11:24]
only for myself. This is something that has
[1:11:28]
already been considered
[1:11:29]
and we have already done this
[1:11:30]
research or
[1:11:31]
preliminary plan. But
[1:11:36]
we thought it was a
[1:11:36]
matter of
[1:11:37]
funding deadlines. So it's
[1:11:39]
nice to hear that we
[1:11:40]
might be able to.
[1:11:42]
Well, Eric, as we were
[1:11:44]
saying, I think it's
[1:11:45]
still a problem, right?
[1:11:46]
In a meeting with the state,
[1:11:47]
we discussed that
[1:11:49]
any
[1:11:49]
future direction we take
[1:11:51]
will likely require an
[1:11:52]
extension of time
[1:11:53]
, if possible.
[1:11:54]
We are already at the finish
[1:11:55]
line, but we still need to
[1:11:57]
conduct an environmental
[1:11:58]
assessment and
[1:11:59]
design work. I
[1:12:01]
know you've already invested
[1:12:03]
time and money into your
[1:12:04]
design and concept,
[1:12:05]
but yes, it
[1:12:06]
looks that way, and besides,
[1:12:08]
nothing is
[1:12:08]
guaranteed. You
[1:12:12]
know,
[1:12:14]
extensions are not
[1:12:14]
guaranteed, but we will
[1:12:16]
certainly, if
[1:12:17]
we can get a
[1:12:18]
viable project that
[1:12:20]
your council agrees to, do
[1:12:21]
everything we can to
[1:12:23]
help you. And, as I
[1:12:27]
said, we really want to
[1:12:28]
keep these funds in the
[1:12:29]
state and put
[1:12:31]
them to good use, and I'm
[1:12:32]
sure you do too.
[1:12:35]
Is the shopping
[1:12:37]
mall project...I don't
[1:12:38]
want to
[1:12:39]
embarrass anyone,
[1:12:40]
but do you feel
[1:12:41]
as a group that you would have a
[1:12:42]
consensus on the
[1:12:44]
initial scope of
[1:12:45]
work if everyone
[1:12:46]
agreed to it?
[1:12:49]
I'm not even sure if the
[1:12:51]
new members saw it.
[1:12:52]
Yeah, I saw the original
[1:12:53]
when it was
[1:12:54]
OK.
[1:12:55]
proposed.
[1:12:56]
Has the engineering
[1:12:56]
design
[1:12:57]
been completed yet?
[1:12:58]
planning
[1:12:59]
No, no, it was just a
[1:13:00]
concept.
[1:13:01]
We would get
[1:13:02]
more.
[1:13:04]
Well, actually, that's what I
[1:13:06]
was going to say: if
[1:13:07]
we move on, you
[1:13:09]
know, we just
[1:13:10]
spent 168,000 on something that we've
[1:13:11]
now
[1:13:13]
decided to give up
[1:13:14]
. If we do all of
[1:13:20]
this and don't get an
[1:13:21]
extension on
[1:13:22]
these funds, we
[1:13:23]
could be facing
[1:13:24]
another significant
[1:13:25]
amount of
[1:13:26]
design work, and to be
[1:13:27]
honest, that's a
[1:13:28]
little disconcerting to me.
[1:13:31]
Yes, that's a valid
[1:13:32]
point, and I know,
[1:13:33]
Eric, we talked
[1:13:34]
about that, right? To
[1:13:36]
find out if these
[1:13:38]
funds can be used for
[1:13:39]
planning and/or
[1:13:40]
design.
[1:13:45]
Well, you know, we have to take it
[1:13:46]
step by step.
[1:13:48]
We need to assemble a
[1:13:50]
team, we need to
[1:13:51]
reach an agreement on the
[1:13:52]
project. Um, and all
[1:13:53]
I can say is
[1:13:55]
, you know, we, as I
[1:13:56]
said, our office
[1:13:57]
wants the city to
[1:13:59]
use this money,
[1:14:00]
wants it to
[1:14:01]
stay in the state, and
[1:14:02]
we'll do everything we can
[1:14:04]
to
[1:14:05]
help. So if
[1:14:07]
you want to get together and
[1:14:08]
get everyone
[1:14:09]
involved, I
[1:14:10]
worked with
[1:14:11]
Vince quite a bit and he was very
[1:14:12]
helpful in getting
[1:14:14]
people in from the state and
[1:14:15]
calling different
[1:14:16]
meetings. But if you
[1:14:17]
want to call,
[1:14:18]
you know, get everyone together
[1:14:20]
for a meeting, I'd be
[1:14:21]
happy to organize one
[1:14:22]
for you.
[1:14:23]
This is a great idea.
[1:14:26]
Yeah, and, um, just to
[1:14:27]
keep, I do, and to keep
[1:14:29]
everything, you know,
[1:14:30]
open, and if there are
[1:14:31]
any concerns,
[1:14:33]
let's discuss
[1:14:34]
them and make sure
[1:14:35]
everyone is, you know,
[1:14:37]
hopefully on the same
[1:14:38]
page about the project, I'd be
[1:14:39]
very happy to do that
[1:14:41]
. Um, what I would
[1:14:44]
suggest or
[1:14:45]
what I would hope for is,
[1:14:46]
you know, to take, um, I don't
[1:14:48]
know if you want to
[1:14:49]
bring this up as an
[1:14:50]
agenda item for
[1:14:51]
one of your
[1:14:52]
next meetings.
[1:14:54]
It looks like you have
[1:14:56]
a lot of work ahead of you. I, um,
[1:14:57]
listened to your meeting
[1:14:58]
here over dinner.
[1:15:00]
But, um, yeah,
[1:15:01]
discuss it
[1:15:01]
internally, like I said,
[1:15:03]
and all I'm asking
[1:15:04]
is to keep an
[1:15:05]
open mind and
[1:15:05]
let's try to
[1:15:07]
find a way to
[1:15:07]
keep that money in the
[1:15:08]
state, and, um, you know,
[1:15:10]
hopefully you
[1:15:10]
get, uh,
[1:15:12]
yeah.
[1:15:12]
something that will
[1:15:13]
benefit your city.
[1:15:15]
Therefore.
[1:15:18]
But, Eric, just to
[1:15:20]
follow up on that point,
[1:15:21]
I think it would be helpful for the council
[1:15:22]
to know that
[1:15:24]
some of that money,
[1:15:25]
if they wanted to,
[1:15:26]
we could put toward
[1:15:28]
design or
[1:15:29]
planning—if we were to
[1:15:30]
negotiate a
[1:15:31]
project with the
[1:15:32]
mall or with the state
[1:15:34]
, whether it's Lot 62 or the
[1:15:35]
mall, and we could reach an agreement.
[1:15:39]
I think that would make a
[1:15:40]
significant impression on this
[1:15:42]
council. Are
[1:15:44]
you now... We're not
[1:15:45]
talking about the money
[1:15:46]
you've already spent
[1:15:48]
No, no. We are talking
[1:15:50]
about 1.6 million.
[1:15:52]
Yes.
[1:15:54]
Can some of this
[1:15:55]
money, as we
[1:15:56]
discussed with
[1:15:56]
the state, also
[1:15:57]
be used for planning purposes?
[1:16:00]
Planning and design would
[1:16:01]
make a significant difference
[1:16:03]
OK.
[1:16:04]
Of course.
[1:16:04]
Yes. And this...
[1:16:07]
And I just want to
[1:16:08]
say that I think
[1:16:09]
the school is a very important
[1:16:10]
potential project
[1:16:12]
, but we're not yet far enough along to make
[1:16:14]
it a reality.
[1:16:17]
Especially considering
[1:16:18]
environmental permits.
[1:16:22]
And the thing is, I don't
[1:16:23]
know, given the
[1:16:24]
last vote,
[1:16:26]
how this will affect the
[1:16:26]
matter, whether this should
[1:16:28]
now be considered by the
[1:16:29]
entire supervisory
[1:16:30]
union.
[1:16:32]
I'm sure it is.
[1:16:34]
Of course, it will
[1:16:34]
have to, because now,
[1:16:36]
after that
[1:16:36]
vote, it must
[1:16:38]
be approved by
[1:16:38]
a vote of all
[1:16:39]
five cities.
[1:16:40]
At the moment.
[1:16:41]
Yes.
[1:16:42]
So, maybe that
[1:16:43]
project has
[1:16:44]
been shelved for now, but the 62nd
[1:16:45]
is still
[1:16:46]
viable.
[1:16:47]
That's right.
[1:16:48]
And the original
[1:16:48]
concept is certainly still
[1:16:51]
relevant.
[1:16:51]
Yes.
[1:16:52]
And if I
[1:16:52]
remember correctly, there weren't that
[1:16:53]
many
[1:16:54]
environmental
[1:16:54]
implications, at least
[1:16:55]
for one of the
[1:16:56]
design options. The
[1:16:57]
impact on
[1:16:58]
wetlands in
[1:16:58]
the initial design of the
[1:16:59]
multi-use
[1:17:01]
trail was
[1:17:01]
minimal. So
[1:17:02]
hopefully it won't
[1:17:03]
happen... That
[1:17:04]
's right. ... a
[1:17:04]
serious obstacle
[1:17:05]
to obtaining
[1:17:06]
permits.
[1:17:07]
Good.
[1:17:07]
But I think that's the whole point of a
[1:17:09]
city center—
[1:17:10]
to make it
[1:17:11]
pedestrian-friendly.
[1:17:11]
Well, that was one of the
[1:17:13]
discussion topics
[1:17:14]
I wanted to
[1:17:14]
suggest, but
[1:17:15]
since it came up
[1:17:17]
tonight, I'd
[1:17:18]
really like to have a
[1:17:19]
meeting with the
[1:17:20]
mall. And find out
[1:17:23]
what their plans are. We, as a
[1:17:26]
city, have invested a lot
[1:17:26]
in
[1:17:28]
making that entire
[1:17:29]
area our
[1:17:30]
city center.
[1:17:33]
You know, we were
[1:17:33]
hoping they
[1:17:35]
would be built, and we
[1:17:36]
would like to understand
[1:17:37]
their position.
[1:17:38]
Yes.
[1:17:39]
And I would also like to
[1:17:40]
go to the
[1:17:41]
hospital, you know.
[1:17:42]
Yes.
[1:17:43]
Because we had already
[1:17:44]
discussed before
[1:17:45]
that they would help with a
[1:17:47]
certain construction,
[1:17:48]
and I would like to know what's going on
[1:17:49]
with that plot.
[1:17:52]
I think now is the right
[1:17:54]
time for us as a
[1:17:55]
council to reach out
[1:17:56]
to these two
[1:17:57]
major
[1:17:58]
property owners in our
[1:17:59]
city. I think
[1:18:02]
we put a lot of effort into
[1:18:04]
getting this
[1:18:05]
appointment and
[1:18:05]
moving forward. And
[1:18:09]
then we had to
[1:18:10]
urgently move
[1:18:12]
this project to another
[1:18:13]
location because they weren't
[1:18:14]
ready to continue.
[1:18:19]
Therefore, I want to understand
[1:18:20]
their plans for
[1:18:21]
further development
[1:18:23]
and investment, because,
[1:18:24]
in my opinion, the city
[1:18:25]
has spent a lot of
[1:18:26]
time, effort, and money
[1:18:27]
on this.
[1:18:30]
Tell me, where would you
[1:18:31]
like to invite them?
[1:18:32]
Can I make
[1:18:33]
a suggestion? I'm not
[1:18:34]
sure they will
[1:18:35]
publicly come to the
[1:18:36]
meeting to talk
[1:18:37]
about their plans. I would
[1:18:39]
advise the city, if
[1:18:40]
you want to meet
[1:18:41]
with them, in person or
[1:18:42]
otherwise,
[1:18:45]
no, I'm not saying, and I'm not
[1:18:46]
saying we should
[1:18:47]
have
[1:18:48]
Yes, no, I just
[1:18:51]
think there are conversations that are
[1:18:53]
worth having,
[1:18:54]
especially if we're
[1:18:55]
going to
[1:18:56]
invest 1.6
[1:18:57]
million plus
[1:18:58]
city spending in this
[1:18:59]
mall area
[1:19:00]
. Because, look,
[1:19:05]
let's be
[1:19:06]
honest, this is their
[1:19:07]
property. After all,
[1:19:08]
this is their territory where
[1:19:09]
we are laying this
[1:19:10]
multi-use
[1:19:11]
path. What is the
[1:19:13]
future of their
[1:19:14]
site? If we
[1:19:15]
went for it.
[1:19:16]
the city as a whole.
[1:19:18]
No, and I understand that.
[1:19:19]
Yes, we are
[1:19:20]
taxed too.
[1:19:21]
no, and I'm not saying no,
[1:19:23]
but we
[1:19:25]
When you have a
[1:19:26]
minute this week,
[1:19:27]
write to me, what
[1:19:28]
suits you, and we
[1:19:29]
will schedule a meeting
[1:19:30]
for you and me with the
[1:19:31]
management of the
[1:19:32]
shopping center, and
[1:19:33]
another with the management of
[1:19:35]
the hospital.
[1:19:36]
Two separate meetings.
[1:19:39]
Yes, I agree.
[1:19:40]
Yes, yes.
[1:19:41]
We will go there.
[1:19:42]
Yes.
[1:19:42]
And, uh,
[1:19:43]
Yes. to
[1:19:43]
get out of the cage.
[1:19:44]
Yes.
[1:19:45]
I just think we
[1:19:46]
all need to have a
[1:19:47]
common understanding.
[1:19:48]
Yes.
[1:19:49]
We
[1:19:50]
Of course.
[1:19:51]
No, I don't object.
[1:19:53]
evolve. We have
[1:19:55]
two fairly large
[1:19:56]
parts of the city that
[1:19:57]
belong to these two
[1:19:58]
entities. I think we
[1:20:00]
all need to act in a
[1:20:01]
coordinated manner,
[1:20:02]
wondering where we are
[1:20:03]
headed. So.
[1:20:05]
Yes.
[1:20:06]
What's going on with
[1:20:07]
the hospital there?
[1:20:08]
Yes, I heard something.
[1:20:10]
They are not
[1:20:11]
MGM.
[1:20:15]
it's about it's
[1:20:16]
about
[1:20:16]
Yes, it's a complicated
[1:20:17]
question. Yes, but
[1:20:18]
something worth
[1:20:19]
talking about
[1:20:20]
So it
[1:20:20]
won't hurt.
[1:20:21]
I think it would
[1:20:22]
n't hurt to have
[1:20:23]
something to talk about.
[1:20:24]
Yes.
[1:20:24]
No, no, no, I'm not saying
[1:20:25]
you can't talk to them
[1:20:26]
. Ask
[1:20:27]
if they want
[1:20:27]
to connect because they
[1:20:28]
once wanted to
[1:20:28]
connect their path,
[1:20:29]
or we talked about
[1:20:30]
connecting their
[1:20:30]
paths with other
[1:20:31]
paths further down the
[1:20:31]
road. So that's a different
[1:20:33]
topic.
[1:20:33]
Of course.
[1:20:34]
Um, I'm grateful you
[1:20:35]
came. It's really nice
[1:20:37]
to hear this
[1:20:37]
directly from
[1:20:38]
you.
[1:20:38]
Yes, thank you very much.
[1:20:40]
Yes, I'm glad. I'm
[1:20:41]
more than happy
[1:20:42]
to join in, um, when
[1:20:44]
needed. And as I
[1:20:49]
said, if there's
[1:20:50]
anything I can
[1:20:51]
help with, like
[1:20:52]
bringing other
[1:20:53]
partners to the
[1:20:54]
meeting or if I
[1:20:55]
can reach out to
[1:20:57]
my colleagues in
[1:20:57]
Washington on
[1:20:58]
any federal
[1:21:00]
issues that would be
[1:21:01]
helpful, please don't
[1:21:01]
hesitate to reach out
[1:21:03]
. And, um, yes, I would
[1:21:07]
encourage such
[1:21:08]
meetings. And the last thing
[1:21:10]
I'll say is: there's not
[1:21:12]
much leeway here in how
[1:21:13]
it's written,
[1:21:14]
but it's written in the
[1:21:15]
law. So the funds
[1:21:20]
should be
[1:21:20]
used
[1:21:22]
downtown, in downtown
[1:21:23]
Burlington, for
[1:21:24]
bike or
[1:21:24]
pedestrian
[1:21:25]
infrastructure, but
[1:21:26]
with that in mind, I would
[1:21:27]
advise you
[1:21:28]
to keep
[1:21:29]
an open mind and
[1:21:30]
maybe be creative
[1:21:31]
about how to
[1:21:32]
spend that money and
[1:21:33]
improve your city.
[1:21:37]
Perfectly. Thank you.
[1:21:39]
very much.
[1:21:40]
Thank you. I appreciate it.
[1:21:41]
Please.
[1:21:42]
We'll
[1:21:43]
talk again soon.
[1:21:43]
Good evening.
[1:21:44]
Okay, good evening
[1:21:46]
. Thank you.
[1:21:47]
Sara. Take care of
[1:21:48]
yourself. That's
[1:21:50]
all I have for the
[1:21:51]
roundtable. Are there
[1:21:54]
any other questions for the
[1:21:55]
roundtable?
[1:21:57]
I wanted to ask about the
[1:21:58]
Perry Hotel. What is
[1:22:00]
the status?
[1:22:01]
Sold Out.
[1:22:02]
I know, but I wanted to
[1:22:03]
make sure because I didn't
[1:22:04]
hear anything from our
[1:22:05]
last conversation.
[1:22:06]
I don't know when they'll
[1:22:07]
start
[1:22:08]
construction or
[1:22:09]
anything.
[1:22:09]
No, I didn't expect
[1:22:10]
you to know, but everything has been going according to
[1:22:11]
plan since
[1:22:12]
our
[1:22:13]
last conversation.
[1:22:14]
No problems after
[1:22:16]
that.
[1:22:16]
OK. Thank you. Oh, that
[1:22:21]
was good news,
[1:22:22]
right?
[1:22:22]
good news.
[1:22:23]
Very good.
[1:22:24]
news.
[1:22:25]
Yeah, I'm just me. No
[1:22:27]
, I mean, oh,
[1:22:28]
never mind.
[1:22:29]
So, by the way, right?
[1:22:31]
If you notice a
[1:22:33]
skating rink here,
[1:22:33]
yes.
[1:22:35]
It's all raised up.
[1:22:37]
I didn't have any.
[1:22:38]
We hopefully saved a little
[1:22:40]
by moving the soil from
[1:22:42]
another place here.
[1:22:44]
To raise the level.
[1:22:45]
Again, not that
[1:22:47]
we want to
[1:22:47]
talk about the
[1:22:49]
skating rink project, but during
[1:22:50]
that discussion,
[1:22:51]
it seems that the
[1:22:52]
amount discussed was between 30 and 50 thousand
[1:22:54]
to do everything
[1:22:55]
right; but we did
[1:22:56]
it for free and
[1:22:57]
hopefully
[1:22:58]
saved on the
[1:22:59]
earthworks
[1:23:00]
near the city garage.
[1:23:01]
Great, I didn't know.
[1:23:03]
Yes, take a look when you go
[1:23:04]
out. It's
[1:23:05]
almost level with
[1:23:06]
the parking lot, and they're
[1:23:07]
not finished yet. That's it.
[1:23:08]
Class, sounds good.
[1:23:10]
Oh, and those old
[1:23:11]
dangerous sides are
[1:23:12]
gone.
[1:23:13]
Good.
[1:23:14]
So. We live on.
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Good news. OK.
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Finished?
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Ahem.
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Yes. Yes, sir.
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I'm done.
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Good. Do
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you have a question?
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No.
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Chris?
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I'll probably
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hold off for now. I don't want
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my words to be
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taken out of context again.
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Got it.
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Good.
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I think I'll put it off until
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later.
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Yes, well, I'm
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Yes, I'm fine.
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OK.
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Okay, okay.
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No closed
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meetings, right?
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No, no.
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Yes, it's yours.
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This is an option.
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John. I
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support.
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Who is for it?
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I.
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Against? The meeting
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is closed.