[0:02] [laughter] All right. Um

[0:06] 8:30. Uh this is a meeting for the burn distance review board. We have a quorum

[0:12] this morning and uh order the business meeting. Our first item is approval of

[0:18] minutes from our July 15 meeting. >> Mayor.

[0:21] » Yeah. If if I could [clears throat] before we go into the order of business

[0:26] meeting and go through the approval of minutes and property review and new

[0:31] properties, [laughter] there's enough new people here in the

[0:35] audience. I guess if it's okay, I'd just like to make a couple [clears throat]

[0:40] editorial comments before we get started. So, appreciate everyone being

[0:44] here. Um, just to make sure that we're all on the same page as we start our

[0:49] discussions. The nuisance review board was established two years ago and this

[0:56] group that meets once a month is responsible

[1:02] for reviewing complaint forms that have been submitted to the city for

[1:09] consideration and to be addressed. So that's what this board every member has

[1:16] been established to do. So our job as individuals on the nuisance review board

[1:21] is to sit in a meeting [clears throat] kind of be the I guess mediators of

[1:28] neighborhood concerns and issues and to review those you know complaint forms

[1:35] that have been submitted. So that's what we've all been requested to do this

[1:41] board and that's what we're going to do this morning. We have, I would say, a

[1:47] record number of properties to review today. So, this meeting is going to take

[1:52] a little bit of time. It's going to take a little bit of patience. And what I

[1:56] hope we will do is that I hope we'll methodically and compassionately

[2:02] go through each of these properties, discuss them, and with deser discernment

[2:08] come up with what the right recommendation as a nuisance review

[2:12] board would be. So, that's kind of what I want to just

[2:18] throw out there to set the stage for the meeting even before we get into any of

[2:23] the property reviews. Um so so mayor one one question I would have an addition

[2:30] before we get started you know as we go through the properties I think in the

[2:36] past you know as we've gone through property by property

[2:42] you know if there's anyone in attendance that has input on that property

[2:48] I think it's fair for them to provide their input at that point in

[2:53] [clears throat] time while we're discussing

[2:56] not not after we've made a decision, while we're making the discussion, while

[3:01] we're having the dialogue. So, that that would be a suggestion I would have. I

[3:06] know with the last meeting, we did that with one of the properties and I thought

[3:10] it worked effectively. So, anyways, that's my soap box and my two cents

[3:16] before we get going. So, thank you for listening. Okay. Um, [laughter]

[3:26] so are we I [clears throat] think we I

[3:29] don't think we approved the minutes. >> No, I I jumped in before that. I would

[3:33] make a motion we approve the July 15th burn nations review board meeting

[3:37] minutes as presented. >> Okay. So, there's a motion on the floor.

[3:40] Is there a second? >> I'll second it.

[3:42] » Second by Cal. All in favor signify by saying I.

[3:46] » I post same sign. Okay. Um the next item on the agenda is

[3:52] property review. Um that is previous properties that that have had complaints

[3:58] filed against them. Um and our first property is u

[4:07] 753 North Carolina Street. Um [clears throat]

[4:13] there are photos there from July and August.

[4:18] Um, so going back to the last meeting,

[4:23] [clears throat] I believe, which was on July the 15th,

[4:27] we just approved meeting minutes limits. So at that meeting, we were going to

[4:32] send a grass and weed letter. Um, and I believe we we say in the review of

[4:40] properties documentation we have in front of us that that was sent via

[4:44] certified mail on July the 16th. So my question, no one's currently

[4:51] living in that property. So where do we send it? Did we send the water bill to a

[4:58] another address that >> it goes to where their um property taxes

[5:03] go? They're outside Decator in the country.

[5:06] » Okay. So that's where they get their water built also then I'm assuming.

[5:11] » Yeah. >> Okay. And that's where we would have

[5:13] sent the certified letter. >> Mhm. [clears throat]

[5:16] » So do we do we know that they received it? Did we have

[5:20] » Yeah. The receipt. >> Okay. So they received it. Um, and for

[5:25] the grass and and weed letter, they were given the normal 10 days to remediate.

[5:35] And I don't know, in my opinion, it doesn't

[5:38] look like they've remediated. [laughter] >> Well, if that was sent mid July, we're

[5:43] in mid August now. And it's rained a lot.

[5:47] And I would say this looks pretty normal for being cut. And then we've received a

[5:54] lot of rain and my yard grew a lot in this past week. So

[5:59] I don't know if you can say this is a month's worth of growth or did they mow

[6:04] it and this is a couple weeks worth of growth.

[6:09] » Okay. >> Hard for me to tell.

[6:11] » Yeah. Then from a I guess from a process

[6:16] perspective, I mean would we have checked them 10

[6:20] days after they would have received the letter so

[6:24] that we know what it was on July the 26th?

[6:33] » Ron, is this the is the owner Vicky Ellis?

[6:37] » Yeah, >> I think you talked with her. You

[6:40] mentioned you talked with her a number a number of weeks ago.

[6:45] » She was at one of our meetings >> twice.

[6:49] » So she owns she owns this letter.

[6:54] » So So to Chief Taylor's, you know, point.

[6:59] » I don't know whether it was in good shape 10 days after the certified letter

[7:05] arrived in [clears throat] July or not. So, I guess we can't really say yes or

[7:10] no on that for sure. >> I would think that I would bet on it

[7:17] that it was weeks before.

[7:22] » So, what >> you handle it the way you think is best,

[7:25] but this is not just happened in the last two weeks.

[7:29] What what I would recommend since we've been down this road with them before

[7:34] that we send another grass and weed letter certified

[7:39] and that we >> follow up at 10 days and if it has not

[7:45] been remediated then we take steps to remediate like we would normally do. And

[7:53] I guess the other thing I would recommend when we add some sort of cover

[7:58] letter to these letters that we mail out, we seem to get better response

[8:03] because we tell them specifically what the issue is and the concern is in the

[8:09] case of this one. They're not from burn. They're not

[8:14] living in the property. So they need to make sure they're mowing when they're

[8:22] working on the property. When they come down to do their construction work, they

[8:28] need to mow, you know, just like they were living in it. So that that would be

[8:33] my motion. And I think we need to need need to send them another grass and weed

[8:37] letter and we need to also include some sort of cover letter that hey

[8:44] you need to take care of your property not living.

[8:48] » What would be the time [clears throat] >> on a on a grass and weed letter? It's

[8:53] always they got 10 days to remediate. So, we send out mowing letters that are

[9:00] five days, >> which I'm fine with five days.

[9:04] » So, >> I mean, because

[9:05] » if I would say if it's just mowing, if it's over the 8 in, normally we have

[9:10] police go out and measure. If it's over the 8 in, we send a mowing letter

[9:14] » and then we follow up in five. If they haven't mowed it, the city can either

[9:18] mow it or we can pay someone to >> and maybe the reason why it wasn't

[9:23] checked up was it wasn't a mowing letter. It was a business letter.

[9:26] » Yeah. those we stay on top of and check up with and then we invoice them for if

[9:31] we would do that. >> I think that would be a better solution

[9:35] for this because it's a shorter time period. There's better followup for more

[9:40] followup. [laughter] So, I would alter my motion to sending a mowing letter by

[9:47] certified mail to the owner um and then follow up on it and if it's not

[9:54] remediate. the other things that we've talked to them about as far as keeping

[9:59] the yard and stuff cleaned up while they're working on the property in the

[10:04] backyard. They're doing that. It's the front yard that is on Jefferson Street.

[10:09] It just doesn't look very good and it needs to be tended to better and they

[10:16] don't live there. So, they need to be more responsible on making it happen on

[10:21] a regular basis. At the bottom of the pictures that went with the letter last

[10:25] time, we put grass seeds mowed weeds on the entire property. Both front yard,

[10:30] sidey yards, backyard, and behind the garage all need trimmed. This was sent

[10:34] with the letter, too. >> Okay.

[10:36] » So, with the pictures >> and I'm okay sending the pictures with

[10:42] the pictures that we have with the letter.

[10:46] » I'll make that motion. >> Excuse me. So, we're saying within 10

[10:51] days this has to be mowed. Five days. >> Perfect.

[10:56] » Because we're doing a mowing letter, >> not a nuisance,

[11:00] » versus a letter from the nuisance ordinance.

[11:03] » Okay. >> Where we've always used 10 days as the

[11:07] norm. >> Okay.

[11:09] » So, it's actually a shorter time frame than we did last time.

[11:15] » Okay. So, we have we have a motion and a second. All in favor signify by saying

[11:20] I. >> I oppose. Same sign.

[11:28] » Okay. The next um property is 306 Winridge.

[11:33] Um he was issued a

[11:38] [cough and clears throat] $100 fine on July the 20th

[11:43] and he stopped in and

[11:50] said that he couldn't pay the fine.

[11:55] So, um I said, "Well," I said, "It's up to

[11:59] you whether you paid it or not." Um he said, "Well, if I don't pay it, they'll

[12:06] issue a warrant for my arrest." Um, [clears throat] and I said, "Well, I

[12:12] don't know if that exactly happens, but anyway, he just said he couldn't pay it.

[12:17] He's dealing with a lot of a lot of issues. His dad's sick. Um,

[12:24] he's had multiple reasons for not being able to pay it." Um, so I I

[12:33] said, "Well, it's it's a fine that is due and you owe the fine." and um and he

[12:39] walked out. So, >> and when was this, Greg?

[12:44] » It was um >> when he came in.

[12:46] » It was the day the fine was due. He came in. It was right after Swiss stays that

[12:50] Monday. >> Yeah.

[12:51] » After Swiss, >> right? It was right after Yeah, it was

[12:54] right after Swiss stays. >> So, what [clears throat] what follows

[12:59] this situation? Um what what I would like to interject

[13:06] this property even from our last meeting if you look

[13:11] at the two pictures um Greg I think you mentioned to him at

[13:16] one point in time maybe getting just a little better

[13:21] organized with what you have on your front porch

[13:25] and he definitely has attempted to do that. It's all kind of up by the front

[13:32] door where it used to be kind of all over the place in the backyard. Um, they

[13:38] have worked on some of the vegetation. I mean, you know, hauling away some of the

[13:44] stuff that they've cut down would be helpful, but they've cut some stuff

[13:48] down. And if you remember right, they had several vehicles that it took a

[13:53] while for them to get removed. They did get removed. Um they had an unsafe

[14:00] vehicle um sitting in front that was up on jacks that we asked them to make safe

[14:07] and get remediated. They did that. Um so from where this was six months ago, they

[14:16] have made strides. >> So what are you suggesting, Ron? Yeah,

[14:21] [clears throat] >> I'm suggesting at this point I'm not

[14:25] sure what more we want to push for.

[14:32] I mean, I drove by this property last night and it's it's not half as bad as

[14:38] it was six months ago. So, I'm not I guess would I like to see more

[14:47] progress? Yeah. But under the circumstances,

[14:52] I'm not sure what what the next step would be.

[14:58] [clears throat] >> How does the

[14:59] » fine the fine is still there, >> right? The fine is still a record. We

[15:03] can turn that into the state, >> which means if there's a tax refund, we

[15:07] can attach that. But I think what you're saying is other than that still hanging

[15:13] out there, um there's been progress. So if there's no progress, then what's

[15:20] your next step? >> I if there isn't any progress, you can

[15:25] keep assessing fines that you may not collect right away.

[15:30] » But yeah, >> at what point do we put a lean on the

[15:32] home? >> We don't have that capability,

[15:38] » but we do have a capability of attaching, like I said, through the

[15:41] state. We can attach tax refunds, those kind of things.

[15:45] I mean, I think there's two options. You could either find them again

[15:54] or we could monitor the pro monitor the progress to make sure it doesn't go the

[15:59] other direction. So, un those are my two options, but maybe someone else has

[16:06] another option. We can find him again. But I my thoughts

[16:12] are if he says he can't afford to pay the $100, he won't be able to afford to

[16:16] pay the $200. So, but if he doesn't make progress, we can find him again.

[16:24] » If it gets worse, >> if it gets worse or if it gets worse,

[16:27] » starts again. >> Go ahead, Dwight. You were going to say

[16:31] something. So, we've been living at this for six months.

[16:37] » But you have to you have to remember what it looked like six months ago. I

[16:40] mean, there was a car dug in the back of the

[16:44] » truck >> or a truck in the back of the yard.

[16:47] There was cars without tires on jacks in the front. I mean,

[16:51] » a car without an engine. >> This home is trying.

[16:55] » You have to remember also that that place looked like that 20 years ago.

[17:02] Does he own the property? >> His dad does.

[17:06] His father owns the property. [clears throat]

[17:08] » We know this individual. >> I I just know the guy that comes in.

[17:13] It's his son. But >> had him several times.

[17:15] » Yeah. Until we had until we had nuisance

[17:19] board. There wasn't any complaint filed to the

[17:24] nuisance board, but that property looked those vehicles that we asked him to

[17:29] remove that were removed. Those vehicles were there 15 or 20 years ago because I

[17:34] remember driving past the property. >> Would wouldn't wouldn't this violation

[17:39] have some effect on the owner of that home?

[17:44] » Well, the owner is his dad is living in there.

[17:47] » That's what I'm asking. Where does his dad come in? He owns the property.

[17:52] » His dad is sick with cancer. So, the boy is taking care of him.

[18:00] » I mean, who who was the fine levied against? The homeowner.

[18:04] » Yeah. >> The homeowner who the dad was who the

[18:08] fine was levied against. The son comes in and reports

[18:15] what they've done and what they can or can't do. So,

[18:20] » so I guess my question is if we let this slide now, we're going to let it slide

[18:26] again next month. >> If this picture looks just

[18:30] » I think we need to determine that if is this something we can live with or is

[18:37] this something we need to keep pressing? Are we happy with the progress we've

[18:41] made already, which is huge in my opinion

[18:45] » and Can the board take a vote

[18:50] on what to go what to pursue with it or to leave it as is

[18:55] » and just monitor it? >> What is your suggestion?

[18:59] » My suggestion? >> Yeah.

[19:01] » Personally, I could live with this. They've done a great job working with

[19:07] us. >> Tim, if this was your next door

[19:11] neighbor, would you agree to let this slide? If this was right,

[19:16] » say I probably would. Yeah. >> Really?

[19:20] » See, I can't do that. >> Yeah.

[19:22] » If you look at the pictures, if you [clears throat] look from 714 to 8:18

[19:28] and take a close look at the front porch,

[19:32] to me, it looks the same. Probably they're

[19:37] using that for storage. [cough and clears throat]

[19:40] They said their garage is full, so they're storing their

[19:44] belongings out there underneath the front porch.

[19:48] [clears throat] >> You know, if all the residents of Burn

[19:51] did this, [laughter]

[19:55] I don't know that we can that we can just turn a blind eye and say, "This is

[20:03] okay. We'll let this one go." How many more are we going to let go?

[20:08] Yeah. I don't think we can do it. I really don't.

[20:12] » If you let one go, then you're gonna let somebody else go.

[20:16] » Is this rubbish or is this stuff that they belong that they own and

[20:22] cherish or need or >> need the mower?

[20:28] » Need the mower. Yeah. >> Mower could be in the backyard.

[20:35] We complain that it's in the backyard. Then

[20:37] » I think it looks like he just mowed though.

[20:45] » I think we just continue to monitor this property.

[20:51] » If we're going to do something, we need to look in the nuisance ordinance and

[20:56] find specifically what they're in um conflict with.

[21:08] I suggest we decide what we're going to do and let's move on.

[21:13] [clears throat] >> Well, I guess I'll make just just so we

[21:19] all know how the motion process works. Dave, keep us straight.

[21:24] » I do have a suggestion. Um, I'm working with Kelly Amstead, so I'm putting

[21:28] together a spreadsheet of local community members that are willing to

[21:34] possibly help with a situation like this. Can we monitor at this time and

[21:39] then when I get the list, maybe put him in contact with somebody like a church

[21:42] group or youth group that would be willing to go over there and possibly

[21:46] work on these vines in the backyard um to clean up the backyard a little bit

[21:50] more. The rubbish in the in the front, I don't know what we can do about that. He

[21:54] obviously can't afford a storage unit if you can't afford to pay the fine.

[21:59] » I think that's a good suggestion. >> And I will be more than happy to put him

[22:04] in contact with somebody that would be willing to help him, especially if his

[22:08] dad's ill and he's taking him to to appointments. He probably doesn't have

[22:12] the time >> or he might not even have a saw.

[22:14] » And I think there might be some groups in town that would come in that

[22:19] situation. >> Yeah. And we're working on getting a

[22:20] group and Kelly on on that idea. I think it's a a great idea. I think that

[22:29] information probably needs to be reviewed with the nuisance review board

[22:35] that this is [snorts] information that we're going to include in future

[22:39] letters. Um, so that was the one recommendation I was going to have on

[22:43] that. Um, I think it's a great idea. We've talked about Neighborlink before.

[22:48] Neighborlink would be a great organization to get reinvived. Um, it

[22:55] was great when it started. Um, but it could use a little uh, you know,

[23:00] transfusion of energy. Um, so [clears throat]

[23:04] I I would be fine based on what you're saying. I'll make a motion, John, to

[23:10] your point and then we can see if we can move forward. So, so my motion is

[23:16] I would like to see us monitor the property at 306 Moon Ridge Trail for

[23:22] another month, make sure that it doesn't go

[23:27] backwards, and at the next meeting, if we have

[23:32] groups that are identified that could help this

[23:37] owner, that we would include that information in a communication to them.

[23:42] So that's my motion. >> Could we include

[23:46] getting some help [clears throat] at this point?

[23:50] » Not at this point because there is >> Let's Let's consider that.

[23:54] » Well, I can send them the neighbor link brochure that we have in our lobby

[23:57] » and send that to them and just put a a handote in there telling them that we're

[24:01] working with >> other council members to come up with a

[24:04] list. [clears throat] >> We've done that before on a couple other

[24:07] properties. We've sent them the neighbor link.

[24:10] » [clears throat] >> Now,

[24:11] » you know what I have in common? >> If they have a lot of stuff on the

[24:16] porch, it's been sitting there for a year, they haven't been using it. So,

[24:22] why wouldn't you just get rid of it if you're not using it? Um, sell some of

[24:28] it. That give them a little money or just just get rid of their junk. Um, if

[24:36] they're not using it. that that's just the common sense thing that they could

[24:41] do. Wouldn't cost them anything. >> Ron, let's kind of just leave things

[24:47] look terrible. >> Let's move on with

[24:52] » interjecting her her suggestion. >> So, I will add your that point to my

[24:58] motion. >> Okay.

[24:59] » And that's my motion >> and I'm a second.

[25:02] » Okay. >> Okay. We have a motion and a second. All

[25:05] in favor signify by saying I. >> I post same sign.

[25:18] Okay. The next um property is 465 North Broner Street. [clears throat]

[25:30] Um it's been going on for two years.

[25:36] two years that property um has um

[25:44] we had had we had had a talk with the owner and the owner said he was going to

[25:49] have a fence installed as of August 18th.

[25:54] And I've that fence is not up because the fence company hasn't been down to

[25:59] put it up because I think they're busy. they can't they just haven't been able

[26:03] to get here from what I understand unless somebody else has something. Um

[26:08] so we're still waiting on that fence um to be put up on that property. Um

[26:16] and [clears throat]

[26:19] the um he had he had stopped in and had a talk with me

[26:26] after he got a warning letter and I think I mentioned this last at the

[26:36] last meeting. He um he is on disability. His wife

[26:44] was sick or had been hurt um and was off of work for several months and she's

[26:51] back to work now. And so I told him at that point in time if he could just

[26:57] [clears throat] make his things um more orderly looking that that would go

[27:03] a long way with with our committee just to have it look a little nicer. I don't

[27:10] know if he has done um done that totally, but um

[27:18] [clears throat]

[27:21] that that was his comments to me when he stopped in and I told him I think the

[27:25] committee would just appreciate um

[27:30] seeing an effort on your part to make things look a little more orderly and

[27:36] not not like a mini junkyard. So

[27:43] he um I thought he understood what that meant.

[27:49] He sounded like he did. So, but I know the trailer

[27:54] um that this is his way of trying to make money since he's on disability is

[27:59] to um gather these items on a trailer and

[28:04] then take them someplace and sell them. And um

[28:09] so that's why we see the trailer empty sometimes and then the next week it's

[28:13] full again. >> Shouldn't be a trailer on the property

[28:16] like that.

[28:20] » Half the time it's almost in the front yard.

[28:23] » I don't know. We You know, we kicked this thing down the street for two

[28:28] years. This came up in August of 24. Here we are in August of 26 and nothing

[28:35] is changing. >> Okay. So, let me interject.

[28:38] [clears throat] >> I'm ready.

[28:39] » We had this discussion at the last meeting when the owner was here. They've

[28:46] not been on the nuisance review board list for two years. There was a window

[28:52] six, [laughter] seven months where they addressed their first list of issues we

[28:58] had with them and they were off. So, we can't say that they've been on for a

[29:05] continuous period. They've been on for two periods.

[29:09] » At the beginning, it was it was the front yard and we they addressed what we

[29:13] said, >> right? So, that got addressed and then

[29:16] the second time it came up, it is the scrap. It is the trailer. It is the

[29:22] backyard. And at the last meeting when the owner was here,

[29:28] he said he told us, you can read your meeting minutes, that the owner is

[29:33] buying or the renter is buying the property [laughter] off of them on a

[29:38] land contract. and he the owner had come up with an

[29:43] agreement with them that the owner would the property owner would pay for a fence

[29:50] and then he would add that to the amount that they owe on the house and both

[29:56] sides were agreeable to that. And what we left the last meeting with is if they

[30:03] can get the fence up and like the mayor said, make things a little more orderly,

[30:10] then they would address the things that are in front of us. So here we are now

[30:14] at this meeting. The fence isn't done. So, so my thought

[30:21] reviewing this and getting ready for this meeting is I think the owner

[30:27] and renter need to be requested to come to the next meeting and give us an

[30:33] update where they are one month from now because I don't I don't know that we can

[30:40] take any other steps other than that today.

[30:43] » Good suggestion. >> Okay. Uh

[30:47] September the 20th of 2024, newspaper clipping 465 Sprunger Street

[30:55] is addressed. >> Proof is in the pudding.

[30:59] » Right. >> So, aren't we a little tired of keep

[31:02] talking about 465 Sprunger Street? I'm tired of it. [snorts]

[31:07] that how much longer are we going to talk about this property and not really

[31:13] get to the issue?

[31:18] Are we just going to keep pushing this thing down the road? [clears throat] I I

[31:21] I can't agree with this. >> So to Ron's point though, it was on

[31:28] September 24, right? That's what you just said.

[31:31] » September the 20th of 2024. Okay. It was in the burn track week. Okay. Then it

[31:37] went but then that nuisance thing was taken care of and they were were not on

[31:43] our list for a period of time until he started scrapping and we had issues with

[31:50] the items that were back there by his uh >> carport

[31:56] » uh carport. Right. >> You told him put it in a fence.

[32:00] » Yeah. Okay. Right. >> Okay.

[32:04] » So what's your suggestion, mayor? Excuse me, John. So,

[32:08] » this came up. >> Go ahead.

[32:10] » This came up on December 20 of 24. We talked about it February the 14th of

[32:18] 25. This is ongoing. >> So,

[32:21] » and again, and again on March the 21st of 25 and here we are again with this

[32:28] property. >> So, what what came up in February and

[32:31] March? >> We've talked about this many times. What

[32:34] came up about the property in 25 the the scrapping or

[32:40] was it the stuff that was in the front yard?

[32:42] » Probably all the above. >> I can't I would have to go through here.

[32:47] I've got it in here. >> Well, I think I think the property first

[32:52] came up because of the stuff that was parked in the front yard that he had

[32:55] garden tractors and stuff parked in his front yard. They took care of that and

[33:00] then they were off our radar, so to speak, because they took care of that

[33:04] complaint form and then there was another complaint form filed

[33:07] [clears throat] on behalf of that property with the stuff that was in the

[33:13] carport when he started scrapping. >> I think there were several rounds,

[33:16] » but I don't know what the time frame. >> I think there were several rounds about

[33:19] the front yard. Yeah. >> And each time they they took care of it,

[33:23] then it happened again. And so, but but in the end, but now there's it's not the

[33:29] front yard, it's the backyard. And so, and I think what the what the board had

[33:33] told him is that if you build a fence and put everything inside there, you're

[33:37] going to probably be okay. The fence hasn't gotten built.

[33:41] So can we come to some sort of [laughter] statement or conclusion at

[33:46] this point [clears throat] to get

[33:48] » again back to making motions and seeing whether there's a majority that wants to

[33:55] go with the motion. I hear what you're saying, Dwight. I do.

[34:01] That's this is this property has been discussed for a while. But

[34:07] » what do you what do you suggest, Dwight? What do I suggest? I what I would

[34:13] suggest absolutely you got to go to the pocketbook.

[34:18] » Money talks and all that other stuff walks. You know, you get we've talked to

[34:23] the owner of the property and that owner is just

[34:28] we all know it. So, if this place was beside my property,

[34:39] I'd invite the man over over a cup of coffee and let's talk about this. And

[34:43] what are we going to do? You have to clean it up.

[34:48] Dave, if this place was beside your place, you would absolutely have a fit.

[34:52] » I'd be talking to my neighbor. >> Absolutely.

[34:55] » See what I could help do. But we've talked to the owner,

[34:58] » but the city's not in that position. Yeah.

[35:01] » You know, and the fence isn't that's a band-aid. That's all it is is a

[35:07] band-aid.

[35:11] I I don't I don't know what the answer is here, but we got to do something as a

[35:15] board. We got to put some teeth in it. I guess I guess I'm still going to go

[35:21] back to our last meeting when the owner was here and we gave them in our meeting

[35:28] minutes the agreement that they could proceed with the fence and then

[35:35] hopefully that would resolve the situation. The fence isn't there yet. So

[35:41] the owner's not here. I don't know why the fence isn't here yet. Um, but I

[35:47] guess I'm just going to go ahead and make a motion.

[35:49] » [clears throat] >> My motion is that we send a letter to

[35:54] the owner and to the renter and request them to attend the September

[36:04] um nuisance review board meeting with an updated plan on when the fence is going

[36:11] to be in place and what they are going to do to

[36:16] just address any issues we would have as a board on their property. So

[36:23] » second. >> That's my motion.

[36:24] » Let's let's move on it with a second. >> Okay, we have a motion and a second. All

[36:30] in favor signify by saying I. >> I post same sign.

[36:38] Okay. 866 West Van Beurren. Um

[36:45] shed has been relocated to the backyard. Um, letter was delivered on July 16th.

[36:52] Owner was to have the rubbish cleaned up by 8:17.

[36:56] Um, and they've made progress on that

[37:01] [clears throat and laughter] property. From what the pictures I see, all the

[37:07] tires and the trash cans have been moved away from that fence.

[37:13] Um, Anybody

[37:19] else have any comments on this property? We continue to monitor the property.

[37:23] » I I think [clears throat] getting the shed moved was huge. I know that wasn't

[37:28] a nuisance review board matter. So, Shannon, thanks for coordinating that

[37:33] effort. Um the tires and rubbish that are there in the 714 picture that we

[37:41] specifically sent them the letter on last time um are gone. It's hard to see

[37:46] in the picture, but they're not there. The one thing I did want to ask about um

[37:53] and looking at this property in a little more detail than last night um the

[37:58] trailer that's there um at one point they had a trailer with no tires and

[38:04] stuff on it. I think this is it, right? >> No, I I think you describing that maybe.

[38:09] » Okay, so this this trailer to me and maybe I couldn't see it. It's not

[38:16] plated. It would need to be plated, right, [laughter]

[38:19] » to be legal. >> Yeah.

[38:21] » So, >> I would like to send them a letter like

[38:26] we've done to some of the other properties and thank them for their

[38:29] progress, but I would also like to still send a I think junk vehicle is what we

[38:36] would consider it because it's not licensed.

[38:40] send them a junk vehicle letter and circle the the trailer. And Chief

[38:48] Taylor, if if you want to check that before we mail it to make sure my eyes

[38:54] aren't deceiving me, that would that would be the only thing I would see that

[39:00] they still need to do. and and we're going to be we're going to be talking

[39:03] about other vehicles coming up in the meeting with not valid plates and things

[39:09] like that. So, this can just be the first one on the docket.

[39:14] So, I would make that as a motion.

[39:19] » Okay, [clears throat] we have a motion and a second.

[39:22] » All in favor signify by saying I post same sign.

[39:30] » Okay. Um,

[39:33] next property is 75 High Street. A, um, rubbish and junk letter was

[39:40] delivered on 716. Property owner staff items removed by

[39:46] 7:26. Um,

[39:50] and looks like most of those items are still there. So,

[39:55] um, do we send another letter with a fine attached to it if it's not remedi

[40:01] remediated in 10 days? Well, I I think on this one, back to kind of the process

[40:09] that we had talked about a few meetings ago and that I reailed to everyone

[40:14] yesterday or the day before. Um the first meeting we discussed the the

[40:21] complaint form and then we send a letter which that's happened. We're now at the

[40:28] second meeting. What I would suggest doing is we send a

[40:33] another letter set, the same letter set, and this one being the second iteration,

[40:41] that an official warning citation be added to it so that they know that the

[40:48] next step is occurring because I mean in looking looking at

[40:54] these items and looking at the ordinance this morning, the vehicle that's on the

[41:01] ground, doesn't have an engine, and it's just sitting there. That is definitely

[41:07] right spelled out in the ordinance, a jump vehicle. The white vehicle, I don't

[41:13] know if it's got a valid license plate or not. If it doesn't have a valid

[41:17] license plate, then it also comes under the junk vehicle ordinance. The red

[41:23] truck is I believe what the gentleman drives because it was not there last

[41:29] night. Um so it comes and goes. So the other two are really what I think are in

[41:36] question. So since they've made no progress, they've not followed up to

[41:41] tell us anything. Um we can also invite them to the next meeting if they would

[41:46] like to attend. >> We need to [clears throat]

[41:49] send a weed letter to along with it. It looks like there's

[41:54] leads along the cars that are sitting there.

[41:59] That's that's fine, mayor. >> Or a kind combination letter of sorts.

[42:07] So to keep John happy, that's I'll be willing to make a motion to keep

[42:13] [clears throat] us moving forward. Make a motion that we send a junk

[42:18] vehicle, a junk and rubbish letter, and a grass and weed letter with a warning

[42:26] citation to the 705 High Street property.

[42:31] » That's my motion. [cough] >> You need a second?

[42:34] » Yeah, >> you heard it.

[42:35] » Okay, >> we'll move on. We got a vote yet, John.

[42:39] » We got today, John. >> We got We got a vote yet, John. We have

[42:43] a motion.

[42:46] [laughter] >> For goodness sake.

[42:49] » We have a mot. We have a motion in a second. All in favor signify by saying

[42:53] I. I. >> Okay.

[42:59] Next item on the agenda is >> Mayor. Can I ask a real quick question?

[43:03] So, like on 705 High Street, when we send these letters, we know

[43:10] that we're sending them [clears throat] to the owner that that they own the

[43:14] property. I mean, if it would be a rental situation, we would send them

[43:19] both. >> Okay.

[43:21] Thanks.

[43:24] That would be if the if the utilities are going to a render and the property

[43:29] unit is something right and it goes above. [clears throat]

[43:33] Okay. >> Okay. The next um item on our agenda is

[43:39] our new properties or new complaint forms

[43:43] that have um been sent in or dropped off.

[43:50] And the first one in on the property on the new property review. The first

[43:56] picture that we have is from two it's either 256 or 266 Baltimore Street. And

[44:05] the initial complaint was for a um

[44:11] vehicle in the alley. Um and the

[44:18] » truck vehicle has been removed. Um

[44:25] cuz it was a the complaint form talked about a fire truck in the alley. That

[44:30] that vehicle has been removed. However, there are two other vehicles still in

[44:35] the alley that need to be uh removed um from the alley. And

[44:43] » I think there's a trailer, too. Trailer. Yeah.

[44:46] » The car [clears throat] to the west of the fire truck. The license plate was

[44:52] 20,023. And as I went by yesterday, the fire

[44:57] truck is in the yard, >> right?

[45:00] » In the front. >> Yeah.

[45:04] Well, on on this property, [clears throat]

[45:07] so we're we're talking about basically alley rightway stuff, right,

[45:13] Dave? >> Yeah. Yeah. You can't block a public

[45:16] way. >> So So page four in the nuisance

[45:20] ordinance talks about campers [clears throat] and trailers and things

[45:24] like that not being allowed to be parked in a public way for more than 24 hours

[45:30] in a 30-day period. So the trailer's definitely

[45:35] Well, the trailer's attached to the truck. So

[45:38] » what you're citing though is is like if if it's parked on the side of the road,

[45:42] but people can still get through when you completely block an alley, then

[45:49] operational fire trucks can't get through as well as utility workers.

[45:55] That's what that's what >> and it's been that way. I

[45:58] » think you can only park in an alley like that for like 15 years. It's just

[46:01] onloading and offloading. >> Here are being blocked. That's the

[46:04] thing. >> It's been that way for months. And I'm a

[46:08] little surprised that the neighbors

[46:12] haven't complained. And you know some of the neighbors very

[46:18] well, Mayor. >> We haven't had a complaint form filed.

[46:23] John, >> that's cuz he's an elected official.

[46:27] » I suggest sending a letter.

[46:32] so much time. And >> so, so this this property, we're talking

[46:37] about it at the nuisance review board, >> but is not nuisance ordinance specific.

[46:44] » Yeah. >> So, this isn't even honestly, this isn't

[46:47] something that had to come to this board.

[46:50] » Yeah. It's it's really something that the police department should just take

[46:54] care of. >> So, I think out of this, what do we want

[46:59] to say? We're gonna do >> I can just

[47:12] with that police department will address this.

[47:27] Okay. >> [laughter]

[47:28] » The next next property is uh 466 Baltimore Street,

[47:35] which um has been on our radar before for

[47:41] um >> other other

[47:44] » other issues that they addressed by putting up a fence. And now this is a

[47:49] new complaint form addressing

[47:54] some of the other things that have shown up around the property that are of a

[47:58] concerning nature. So um [clears throat]

[48:04] we had um I believe um

[48:11] three three complaint forms filed on behalf of

[48:15] this property. Anybody

[48:19] [clears throat]

[48:38] here? Anybody here that wants to provide any comments on this property?

[48:43] The less on that property are as tall as the cars.

[48:48] [clears throat] >> I mean, are they

[48:50] » I walk I walk the streets and it's just unbelievable.

[48:56] [clears throat] >> Okay. I mean,

[48:58] » so they have two cars that obviously haven't been moved in months because the

[49:04] weeds have grown up all around them. >> Okay. And I guess this is a little bit

[49:09] personal for us is we once lived in this house back in the 80s,

[49:14] but I hope you guys don't think the fence solved the problem

[49:19] because you still see the junk on the other side of the fence. There was even

[49:22] a temporary shack behind the fence where it looked like somebody might be living.

[49:28] I mean, this place of all the properties in burn, this was

[49:33] to me one that's just been sitting there for

[49:36] several years. I can't even walk by it without getting sick. I just

[49:42] » Okay, I need to say a couple years ago Tammy was here and she said she said,

[49:47] "My goodness, that property looks horrible in Colorado. If you would have

[49:54] a property like that, they would find you right away." Well, you

[49:59] [clears throat] guys made them have a bigger fence. They have

[50:06] a lot of times seven cars. The whole front's full of cars

[50:11] » plus they have to park in the yard. They have a trailer full of junk in the

[50:17] yard. But what what kind of bothered me was

[50:24] [clears throat] two or three of the cars sitting on

[50:28] outside of the sidewalk have license plates that has has been expired for

[50:35] four months and you know and have weeds up three feet

[50:43] around the cars. Now, [clears throat] we complained over the years, but

[50:51] [clears throat] um and they did clean up a little bit,

[50:55] but so so what do you do? You still go past and check or do you have to have a

[51:01] complaint every time otherwise you won't do anything about it? I mean, this is

[51:06] like two years now. that's been looking pretty bad.

[51:11] And uh so every time they do something

[51:16] different, we need to complain or nothing will be done. And it it kind of

[51:21] bothered me

[51:26] the the cars that have license plates that are over overdue.

[51:32] Um

[51:35] there's a couple of couple of people I know really well. I have five kids. They

[51:41] moved to burn from Fort Wayne [clears throat]

[51:46] and uh

[51:49] she went to the grocery store and came home and drove in the driveway

[51:55] and the burn please came behind her and said, "Hey, your sticker is over

[52:00] overdue." And so

[52:06] they it was in their driveway.

[52:11] They brought a record, move the car away, and so you can have your car back

[52:17] when you get a sticker. [clears throat] Well, there's people

[52:22] in my joining block. There's at least three or four cars sent out there with

[52:29] expired stickers and nothing is said about it.

[52:35] So what's the difference between 11 years ago and now? We just don't

[52:42] » back them up anymore or you know. >> So Norville, I had I had a question I

[52:46] want to interject here so we can get your question answered. So

[52:53] chief on a expired license plate if it's mobile and a police person sees them

[53:02] county city state whatever they [clears throat] would pull them over and

[53:06] ticket them for an expired play driving with

[53:12] » operating >> if something is parked we've had this

[53:17] discussion before and I I think I just want to re refresh refresh my memory

[53:23] is it if it's parked, you don't know whether they got the the

[53:29] registration renewed and it's inside and they just haven't put the sticker on. If

[53:33] it's just sitting there, they're not breaking the law from a state motor

[53:39] vehicle perspective. Right. >> Correct.

[53:42] » But it's in a public >> but what they but what they are they're

[53:47] in conflict with the nuisance ordinance. >> Yeah. So, now that this property has

[53:52] come up, like we've done in other properties, we're going to need to send

[53:57] them a junk vehicle notice that you have to have current license plates on their

[54:05] cars. So, that'll that'll be the step one of the steps we take out of this

[54:09] property here. >> What I'm kind of thinking is

[54:14] if you make them get a license plate, of course, you got to have insurance. Well,

[54:18] that's going to cost them a little money. So, if it's sitting there and

[54:22] they're paying that money for a license plate, not

[54:26] using the car, maybe they'll get rid of it. Uh, that that's my thinking.

[54:32] » And and on this >> But if you don't do anything about it,

[54:35] they'll just leave it sitting there forever.

[54:38] And on this property, Norval would I'll interject since we've had interactions

[54:44] with the property owner before when the fence was going up. [clears throat] Um

[54:49] what we were told back then is that all his vehicles are plated. He has

[54:55] registrations. Um so that's what was said back then.

[54:59] » Well, they they were until March. Yeah. Five months.

[55:03] » So I >> as far as we know, excuse me, we have

[55:07] there only three people that live in that house and most a lot of days

[55:11] there's seven to nine cars all around that house and in your yard. Do they

[55:16] need that many vehicles and one doesn't even drive. So

[55:21] » I don't think there's any law as far as number of vehicles person.

[55:26] » I agree. I agree. still >> but it does need to be plated if it's

[55:32] » make them keep up on their license plates. They might get rid of a few

[55:37] » is my thoughts. >> So So on the

[55:41] » and the the other thing that I remember was that any kind of junk or anything

[55:47] needed to be within inside the fence. Anything he collects needs to be inside

[55:52] the fence. >> There's a trailer outside.

[55:57] There is, you know, they have a lot of stuff.

[56:01] It's right on the property line. And I was talking to

[56:04] » Does the owner actually live there? >> One of the neighbors and they said,

[56:07] » "Yeah, >> you know, we we live there 25 years and

[56:12] never have had a mouse problem. Now all of a sudden we do." all that junk and

[56:18] now, you know, they can't prove it, but

[56:23] there may be >> and and and I'd say from the from the

[56:27] nuisance ordinance [snorts] uh standpoint, one of the main purposes

[56:32] of it is for public safety, dealing with rodents, dealing with that that's what

[56:38] the the collection of junk, the the rodent issue is is a big part of

[56:45] why >> one of the bracketers your intention.

[56:47] » Yeah. >> I just see the town of Burn becoming a

[56:51] salvage place for these junk viewers. Okay. Make you put a fence up. You still

[56:58] have the property is crap. You know, I just don't understand why we can't do

[57:04] something about that. I mean, if it was in other areas of burn like was

[57:09] mentioned, they wouldn't allow it. So, I I I just don't like to see our

[57:15] town go downhill. >> And and another thing, we got a small

[57:21] community and we drive around. It's not Fort Lane. We're not talking

[57:27] about Slair 15 miles away. But

[57:33] line of vision. Well, it's line of vision to everybody that lives here. All

[57:38] you got to do is walk go down the street. You can look. Oh man, that's a

[57:42] junk place. That's a junk place. Now, we were we were thinking about getting a

[57:49] smaller house because she wouldn't have to go up

[57:54] steps. Well, that first house we're talking about,

[57:59] there's a bunch of junk. Uh, now, am I going to buy a house right beside a

[58:05] junkyard? Probably not. So it makes it it

[58:10] » makes our >> the line of vision

[58:13] » means nothing and burn it because it's in a

[58:18] line of vision of everybody is what I'm saying.

[58:22] » But can I just say like if you are going to resell and you're a neighbor and it's

[58:26] in your line of vision then file the complaint. I think this is a great

[58:30] committee and I think it's important that we have it.

[58:33] » That's what we do right. That's our thing. You guys are doing it right and I

[58:36] appreciate that. I think I think when we do it for our own neighborhood and we

[58:40] take care of our own neighborhood, it's not going to be a big problem. But so I

[58:43] think you guys are doing it right and I think you're right to file a complaint.

[58:46] I don't think that everyone in the world should. We don't burn is not an HOA.

[58:53] And so preferences versus safety. I think that's why this board is

[58:57] important. We we've lived there since 1974 and I've never seen it as bad as

[59:03] what it is now. >> Well, it's pervasive. I'm just gonna

[59:05] tell you it's pervasive in my opinion. We live here back in the 80s and it was

[59:10] striking at least on the north part the north side of Water Street in these

[59:16] areas. Um there there other places I agree but

[59:22] it is definitely different. I'll just say that if everybody's happy with that

[59:25] that's your that's what you guys have to decide.

[59:28] » What do you mean on the north side of Water Street? I'm just saying up on that

[59:31] area, the north side of water in that neighborhood,

[59:34] » that there are a number of homes that are that are are not kept up. That's

[59:39] what I'm saying. >> So on on 466 Baltimore Street,

[59:45] » I think we've had some good discussion. We've had input from neighbors. Um we've

[59:51] talked about some of the things that we know probably need a a letter sent on.

[59:58] I think we definitely need to send a junk vehicle letter which will address

[1:00:05] any vehicles that are not plated. We need to send a junk rubbish letter

[1:00:15] which I think from the pictures you can circle the trailer in the front yard and

[1:00:21] consider that. You can also consider the stuff along the west side of the garage

[1:00:28] to be junk and rubbish. That's on the next page with your picture.

[1:00:33] And we can send him a Weeden's Education letter [clears throat]

[1:00:38] um with what's there by the garage and back and address anything on the

[1:00:43] property with with that letter. So, I think those three letters

[1:00:48] [clears throat] were appropriate to >> I need to also These [laughter] people

[1:00:52] need to be fine. I mean, we've addressed this problem before and they just

[1:00:57] continue and continue >> these

[1:01:00] » to leave their house in just a >> so to these instances for the whole

[1:01:06] city. >> For these instances, this is the first

[1:01:10] time these items are in front of the nuisance review board. So what we talked

[1:01:16] about earlier is a complaint form is filed the first time they get a letter

[1:01:22] saying that this is what you need to address. I think Dave brought it up at

[1:01:27] the last meeting. Due process was the term that I believe Dave used. So the

[1:01:33] due process is they get time to address their issue. If they don't have it

[1:01:38] addressed at the next meeting, they're going to get a warning and eventually

[1:01:43] they're going to get fined. So, but unfortunately that's the process

[1:01:48] flow that the nuisance review board has discussed and has agreed to. So, that's

[1:01:54] that's that's the practice that we're adhering to right now.

[1:01:57] » And one of these times, maybe we could invite the owner join us here at the

[1:02:02] meeting. >> He's down here.

[1:02:05] » I put the I put the time and date of our next meeting at the top of the letter.

[1:02:11] The last time he was here, John, he >> wanted you to go to coffee with him.

[1:02:15] [laughter] >> That's right.

[1:02:17] » Is that right? >> Is that right where Trace is?

[1:02:20] » That's right. >> He's been here.

[1:02:22] » Yeah. In the evening. >> Yeah.

[1:02:28] » And And if we get to the point after the next meeting, if he's not addressed his

[1:02:33] things and for the next meeting we need to do it at night, I'm okay with that.

[1:02:38] We talked about having these once in a while in the evening. So I'm okay with

[1:02:42] that. >> So what do we need?

[1:02:44] » So that's my motion. >> I'll second it. Let's move on.

[1:02:49] » We got a vote. >> Okay. All in favor signify by saying I.

[1:02:53] » I. Same sign.

[1:03:01] » Okay. The next property on the list is 1335 Hendrick Street.

[1:03:10] Um,

[1:03:18] » please deliver

[1:03:33] » 133500.

[1:03:36] » It's the last page. >> Last page.

[1:03:49] But [laughter] going forward, these are in different

[1:03:50] » I think Kelly's Kelly's g

[1:03:56] » it is in the back. I'm just saying maybe if we go through the properties in the

[1:04:01] order the pictures are since we just got these point forms this morning it's

[1:04:07] easier just to follow the picture. Let's go back to industry street.

[1:04:15] Who owns this residence? Anybody know? >> Not sure. Android

[1:04:24] couple different people. >> Anybody have a neighbor that we could

[1:04:30] that would help us focus where this is? Anybody know who lives nearby?

[1:04:35] » Well, 1335 Henrik Street. If you want to know where it is in town, you go down

[1:04:40] past the girls softball diamond. Keep going [clears throat] south. Go past the

[1:04:45] road. It that culdeac all the way at the end. It's about one or two houses back

[1:04:52] from the culdeac east in the east side.

[1:04:59] So this we sent them a grass and weed, right?

[1:05:05] police delivered that and a copy of the junk vehicle ordinance on July 16th, but

[1:05:13] we didn't talk about this property at the last meeting. So that this this is

[1:05:17] the first time. So, >> right,

[1:05:21] » they need to officially get a junk vehicle letter because

[1:05:27] several of their vehicles are not plated. You can see that.

[1:05:32] [clears throat] And then there's tires and other things

[1:05:35] which I would consider junk rubbish. So I think we need to send them

[1:05:42] » Well, we need to send them the letters. >> We didn't we did already. Oh, this is

[1:05:46] new. >> This is new. The police the police was

[1:05:50] taking I think a grass weed letter. >> That's right.

[1:05:52] » But at the time they just handed them say, "Hey, this this is also something."

[1:05:58] » But our board never considered it. This is our first. So I think we need to send

[1:06:04] those two letters. That would be >> that would be my motion.

[1:06:11] » The cross letter again too. >> Does it need it?

[1:06:16] » There's weeds around the vehicles. >> Yeah. Then send all three of them.

[1:06:20] » So a junk vehicle letter, junk and leverage letter, and grass and

[1:06:26] » Yeah. Grass and weed letter. Okay. [clears throat]

[1:06:29] » So that's that's my motion. >> Is there a second?

[1:06:34] » Second. >> All in favor signify by saying I

[1:06:39] » I post same sign.

[1:06:51] [laughter] >> Okay. Um, I think we're at

[1:06:55] I'll go back to the pictures and we'll try to find a complaint form later. 355

[1:07:00] Columbia Street.

[1:07:04] There was a complaint filed for a trailer parked on the sidewalk with no

[1:07:09] [clears throat] license plate. So, my guess is that's a police

[1:07:17] » junk vehicle. >> A junk vehicle.

[1:07:21] I'll make that motion. I'll make that motion. Send them a junk vehicle.

[1:07:25] » Okay, [clears throat] >> I'll second it.

[1:07:26] » Okay, we have a motion and a second to send 355 Columbia a junk vehicle letter.

[1:07:33] All in favor signify by saying I. >> I. Both same sign.

[1:07:42] Next address is 424 compromise which may also be

[1:07:49] um 500 North Harrison Street.

[1:07:56] I think the complaint the complaint form was listed as 500 block of Harrison.

[1:08:02] » Yeah. >> But this is the actual address is on

[1:08:06] compromise their mailing addresses. And I think this is the same thing. There's

[1:08:12] there's a there's an RV >> and RV and the trailer

[1:08:16] » doesn't have license plates. So, I think >> Well,

[1:08:19] » it has a license plate. It's expired. >> It says the license plates are current.

[1:08:24] So, >> I went by there last night. It's got a

[1:08:26] 2027 license plate on it >> on the camper.

[1:08:30] » That would make this a non-issue. >> Yeah.

[1:08:33] » Make a motion to move on. >> The trailer. Are we doing anything with

[1:08:38] the trailer though? It did. It says camper trailer on city property.

[1:08:47] » Okay. >> And the trailer itself

[1:08:51] » is a trailer. >> The trailer itself is a non-expiring

[1:08:57] plate too. >> Okay.

[1:08:58] » Okay. So then Yeah. So then this is no action needed.

[1:09:03] » Yeah. Unless it's unless next month it hasn't approved. But you can see the you

[1:09:09] can see the plate >> in the picture. It's just hard to see

[1:09:12] because it's on the left side under the table

[1:09:15] in that square. >> I was like,

[1:09:19] » that's what I would like. >> Yeah, there is.

[1:09:21] » Oh, it's over there. Yeah, [laughter] >> there.

[1:09:30] Okay. Um, [clears throat]

[1:09:33] next property is 505 North Broner Street.

[1:09:39] So qu question on this one. So it says in our package a towing

[1:09:46] warning letter and hedge letter were both delivered on July 16th.

[1:09:50] So that must have come from some other city entity. Where where did those come

[1:09:55] from? Like the water department or

[1:10:00] » so that was Yeah.

[1:10:05] water utility department. >> So is the

[1:10:09] » what the issue what the issue is is they're parked over at the shut off

[1:10:13] valve is >> and they were being put on the shut off

[1:10:17] list and they've been asked to move the vehicle multiple times and they haven't

[1:10:22] [clears throat] >> this this is this is that's not a

[1:10:26] nuisance ordinance issue, is it? >> No, it's it's police

[1:10:31] » water utility >> water. Yeah, it's not even ours.

[1:10:35] I mean, as far [laughter] as how they get the car moved, how do they get the

[1:10:39] car? That would be up to the city on that.

[1:10:43] » I think that's why we brought it to the new center [clears throat] because they

[1:10:46] haven't communicated us communicated to us that it's inoperable.

[1:10:50] » So, which would be a junk vehicle, >> right? and the the the um hedge right

[1:10:56] there along the alleyway. When I go to take the pictures, the mirror on the

[1:11:01] Explorer rubs the hedges cuz they're encroaching on the alleyway.

[1:11:07] So that's why I had a picture of the hedges.

[1:11:09] » I'm trying to think the hedge probably in right away.

[1:11:12] » Yeah, >> but I'm saying whose hedge is that to

[1:11:15] trim? >> Probably the cities.

[1:11:17] » It might be ours if it's in our rightway.

[1:11:22] » [clears throat] >> I'd have to look at.

[1:11:25] » So you're you're saying they said they can't move it because it's in an inco.

[1:11:31] » It might be plated, but it's they said it's in a

[1:11:33] » Yeah. >> So that's why they brought it.

[1:11:35] » Yeah. >> And this has happened numerous times

[1:11:42] because I think the police have had to go there a few times

[1:11:45] » just >> to address this issue. Not to address

[1:11:48] the park card, but while they talked to the homeowner that they just wanted me

[1:11:53] to be there, someone wanted to get out of control.

[1:11:56] » Yeah,

[1:12:02] » I think I think you could give a junk vehicle

[1:12:05] letter based on their statement that [clears throat] it's inoperable.

[1:12:12] » The bottom right picture, is that a motor home? back end of a motor home.

[1:12:19] » You know who that is? [clears throat]

[1:12:24] Here we go again.

[1:12:28] » Back back back to the car. [laughter] So, are they needing are they needing

[1:12:34] the water shut off or we just know that it's there and we know that it can't be

[1:12:41] inhibited? So numerous incidents they've been delinquent on their water bill

[1:12:46] which has caused us to have to because we can't shut off the water because the

[1:12:50] vehicle is on top of it. So we've had to send the water department along with a

[1:12:54] police officer to their home saying we need payment.

[1:13:01] We have sent a letter telling them it needs move.

[1:13:05] Um they've come in and paid. Um, so we've dropped needing to tow the

[1:13:11] vehicle. Um, but it was addressed to us last time we went that it was inoperable

[1:13:17] and they cannot move the vehicle and it's been there. I think we had a

[1:13:20] picture from November of 25. >> Yeah.

[1:13:26] » Might that be Larry Springer? >> No, it would be the home to

[1:13:30] » the neighbor. Okay. I mean, we can send them a junk vehicle

[1:13:38] notice from this board if we want to. >> Yeah.

[1:13:41] » Because it's inoperable. >> I'm I'll make that motion.

[1:13:45] » I'll second it. >> Okay. We have a motion in a second to

[1:13:49] send a junk vehicle letter um to5

[1:13:56] North Brunner Street.

[1:14:00] All in favor signify by saying I >> I post same sign.

[1:14:07] Um okay 506er

[1:14:12] street complaint was filed for rubbish and junk

[1:14:17] in the yard and trailer. This is the first

[1:14:20] uh complaint form we've received on this property.

[1:14:29] And I I might add, if you drove [clears throat] by, you would see the

[1:14:32] grass around the home would be probably 8, 10, 12 inches high, too.

[1:14:40] » It's recently mowed. >> Grass was mowed [clears throat] last

[1:14:43] night. >> I drove by.

[1:14:46] » Okay. >> It's been wet. [laughter]

[1:14:50] Okay. >> I guess my question on the rubbish and

[1:14:56] junk, what are we what are we considering junk and rubbish?

[1:15:02] I know the trailer is a trailer that I believe the the renter it's a renter in

[1:15:11] a landowner is my understanding on this property uses that for pressure washing

[1:15:18] jobs when he gets them. [clears throat] Um there's a car and a trailer

[1:15:25] [clears throat] but trailers aren't rubbish.

[1:15:45] Sounds like a business. Is it zoned for a business

[1:15:49] or is this a a residential plan?

[1:15:57] I'll let Shannon [clears throat] and Dave answer that. I think I know the

[1:16:01] answer.

[1:16:05] » It's a It's a rented property. >> Um I don't have the zoning map in front

[1:16:09] of me, but I would say it's residential. >> Me, too.

[1:16:13] » I mean, I'm sure it's either an R1 or an R2. Just

[1:16:17] » pretend this property is right beside your doororker

[1:16:22] to the south, you know. >> [snorts]

[1:16:37] » Is that a washing machine or what is that? What is that [laughter]

[1:16:40] » on the on the trailer that it's a pressure washing?

[1:16:44] » No, you see in the dump >> right there. What's that?

[1:16:47] » Oh, >> that's empty now. Is that correct?

[1:16:51] » Yeah, that's empty now. >> That's empty now. that trailer is.

[1:16:55] » Yeah, I went by last night just to look at everything that Kelly went so I could

[1:16:59] look and that's 8:15 last night and it's empty.

[1:17:04] » I don't know if he got rid of stuff. I don't know. Could be in the garage. You

[1:17:10] know, >> the the vehicles north of the garage

[1:17:13] door. Is that something we can deal with or

[1:17:20] » the vehicle on the trailer? That's up the

[1:17:24] » Is that PL? >> The one that's on the trailer. I have no

[1:17:28] idea. >> Yeah, that's a car. You know, the

[1:17:30] trailer went down the alley. >> I mean, I I think that would be the

[1:17:35] question. So, that's whether it's on a trailer or on the ground that's not

[1:17:39] plated. That's an issue. I mean, like we've done on the others,

[1:17:44] if if if we want to make a a motion to send a junk vehicle notice based on that

[1:17:51] card, we can, but maybe the chief can check it

[1:17:57] out before we actually mail the letter and make sure that

[1:18:00] » he can make a motion that if it's not if he checks it out and it's not plated to

[1:18:04] send a jump vehicle. I'll I'll make a motion that we send a

[1:18:08] jump vehicle letter to the uh property owner and renter at 506 Sprunger Street

[1:18:16] uh based on Chief Taylor's assessment of the license plate situation. I'll second

[1:18:22] that. >> Okay, we have a motion and a second. All

[1:18:26] in favor signify by saying I oppose. Same sign.

[1:18:32] [laughter]

[1:18:36] Okay, next property is a complaint on 365 North Jefferson filed for a truck

[1:18:43] parked along Jefferson's three without dated 2025

[1:18:47] plates. >> So that truck's no longer there.

[1:18:50] » Okay.

[1:18:55] I [laughter] looked last night and this morning it

[1:18:58] was not there after pictures were taken. So I guess in

[1:19:06] in in this situation >> he's operating normal. He could be

[1:19:09] caught. [laughter]

[1:19:13] » You have to speak up. Yeah. [laughter]

[1:19:16] » He's not parked. He's on the run.

[1:19:21] » So on so on this since we're not going to meet since we're not going to meet

[1:19:26] for a month, what can we do if the vehicle

[1:19:32] coming back. >> I believe Lieutenant Amstrads has talked

[1:19:36] to this gentleman and told him we can't park it on the street with the expired

[1:19:41] license plate. >> So, he took care of it.

[1:19:45] » So, you think it's been addressed? >> Yeah. Okay. So, then no action at this

[1:19:50] time. If it comes up again at the next meeting, so be it.

[1:20:00] » Okay. Um, [laughter] next one is 766 North Jefferson Street.

[1:20:07] Believe this is the first time a complaint has been filed on this

[1:20:11] property for weeds and junk vehicles. >> First time currently it's been once

[1:20:18] before quite a while ago.

[1:20:22] » He mowed last night. >> He mowed last night.

[1:20:27] Again, some of these people haven't been able to mow because of how wet

[1:20:31] everything's been. Um, but >> and the plates are current.

[1:20:36] » Plates are current. Okay. >> I do [clears throat] see tires.

[1:20:39] » Yeah, I was >> with the whole West Nile. I mean, I feel

[1:20:43] like that should definitely be addressed.

[1:20:45] » That can be that can definitely >> You want to make a motion, Cal, that we

[1:20:50] send him a junk rubbish letter? >> Unless you want to. [laughter]

[1:20:53] [gasps] I'll make a motion to send a junk rubbish letter.

[1:20:58] » And you have a second. >> Thank you.

[1:21:02] » Okay, we have a motion and a second recording so [laughter] you can use it

[1:21:06] when you need it. >> We have a motion and a second to send

[1:21:09] the junk rubbish letter to 766 Jefferson. All in favor signify by

[1:21:14] saying I. >> I same sign.

[1:21:21] Um, next one is 806 North Street.

[1:21:31] » This vehicle doesn't have a plate. Um, and there are

[1:21:35] um I guess the complaint is only about the

[1:21:39] car and the fact that it's facing the wrong direction.

[1:21:44] So, Kim, is this something you can check out

[1:21:48] or >> Yeah.

[1:21:49] » Okay.

[1:21:54] » I guess my question is, >> shouldn't we still send a junk vehicle

[1:22:01] letter? It'll be good. [laughter] >> I'll make a motion that we send a junk

[1:22:06] vehicle letter to 806 North Jefferson Street uh along with the photograph of

[1:22:12] this silver or gray car. [clears throat] >> Is that the correct address of where

[1:22:18] this car belongs to? Because it's >> it's sitting in front of the bear lot.

[1:22:24] » It is sitting in front of lot. So, it wasn't

[1:22:26] » I believe there is. >> Okay.

[1:22:29] » We'll let you know.

[1:22:33] » [laughter]

[1:22:36] » Okay, that's that's that's my motion. >> Is there a second?

[1:22:42] » Yes. >> All in favor signify by A9. I

[1:22:46] » That was a motion by Ron and a second by Tim,

[1:22:50] I believe. >> I do have a question though. Would that

[1:22:54] be parked in the wrong direction? Wouldn't that be illegal

[1:22:59] in a warrant a a ticket? Cuz this [clears throat] isn't the only

[1:23:04] vehicle that is parked >> the wrong way.

[1:23:06] » No, we've given out warnings for that before. And typically people don't park

[1:23:11] the right way. >> Okay.

[1:23:23] » Okay. Um Next one is um 517 East Main Street. [clears throat]

[1:23:33] Have you heard anything from >> I'm not in contact with him.

[1:23:40] » Who lives at that residence? >> This This is the property on East Main

[1:23:46] Street we've been tracking for a while. They're the ones with the building

[1:23:49] permit right across from AMS Construction. Oh,

[1:23:52] » they were gonna >> they were supposed to build a garage.

[1:23:56] » They came to us a while back with an inter with an interpreter and they were

[1:24:00] going to have a garage built by what? October.

[1:24:04] » Yep. >> So on on this property, my question,

[1:24:09] Shane, you haven't heard from them. So

[1:24:14] would would you like to reach out to them or do we want to request them to

[1:24:18] come to the September meeting for a tax? >> Have a report.

[1:24:22] We sent a letter in June, >> right,

[1:24:25] » that just reminds them of what they're to do,

[1:24:28] » right? >> And if you look at the east end of the

[1:24:32] home, you'll find they they're continually adding items on the east

[1:24:37] side of their home. So, I have I have a feeling that I'm not

[1:24:43] sure the garage can handle everything that is on that property, but any we'll

[1:24:48] take it from there. And so my opinion is is that they would have it built by the

[1:24:55] fall. We're not going to meet again until September, middle of September.

[1:25:01] I mean, if they're not started by then, it's not going to be done in fall. So I

[1:25:09] I think we need to send them a letter and ask them to come to the September

[1:25:12] meeting and give us an update. >> That's my motion.

[1:25:17] » You got it. >> Second. Yeah,

[1:25:19] » Dwight. This is Dwight. >> Dwight got a second on this motion by

[1:25:23] going along. >> Motion by Ron and a second by Dwight.

[1:25:27] All in favor signify by saying I. >> I. Same assignment.

[1:25:34] Okay. Next one is 1046 Mil Pond Road. Complaint was filed by

[1:25:41] uh in reference to a trailer parked in the [clears throat] driveway.

[1:25:47] um too close to a fire hider

[1:25:52] which I believe was measured and

[1:25:57] is far enough away according to state guidelines.

[1:26:00] » Yeah. The law is 15 ft, isn't it? Go ahead, Greg.

[1:26:04] » Yeah. Yeah. >> Okay. At at the time of the complaint,

[1:26:09] the trailer was about 18 [snorts] in from the fire hydrant. So now he's Yeah.

[1:26:15] So, it was parked it was parked on the south side of the driveway then.

[1:26:19] » Okay. >> And and we haven't been able to

[1:26:23] determine whether >> the fire hydrant

[1:26:27] um that ruling pertains to if you're parked on the street, blocking

[1:26:33] the fire hydrant or or what. There's no definitive

[1:26:38] law that says [clears throat] it's parked on the street or in a

[1:26:42] driveway, but they they've moved it and it's not

[1:26:47] » I would think for future reference purposes,

[1:26:52] it would be good to know. The way I understand it, looking at this picture,

[1:26:56] you can't park on the street in front of the fire hydrant,

[1:27:01] » right? the driveway. I don't think the driveway has anything to do with the

[1:27:04] fire act. I mean, I'm not chief of the fire

[1:27:09] department, but that's the way I would think that the state ordinance is set up

[1:27:15] curbage because the fire department can pull up and attach even if the driveway

[1:27:21] is completely full. But again, I'm just speculating. Didn't the complaint form

[1:27:27] also mention uh line of sight backing out of his

[1:27:33] driveway? He can't see the street. >> I went down and pulled into his

[1:27:37] driveway. >> Yeah.

[1:27:38] » And I could see down the old Colonial Drive.

[1:27:42] So he has plenty of sight. And And I maybe

[1:27:48] that was when [clears throat] it was closer on the other side.

[1:27:52] » It was Tim. Okay. I think when >> I can see that

[1:27:56] » when the moved it now, you can see >> when the RV would have been on the left

[1:28:01] side of the driveway, [cough] that would have been more of an issue.

[1:28:04] And that's that's where it was at one point. So, I think the neighbor has

[1:28:09] listened to their neighbor >> and has tried to satisfy the on the

[1:28:14] north side of the driveway. >> So, there's no action in this forward on

[1:28:21] this move. Okay. Then we have um I think the last one is

[1:28:28] 166 Brian Street. I don't know if we have a an form for

[1:28:34] that, but we had a neighbor that came into lobby

[1:28:39] and this property was still kind of a

[1:28:42] monitor property is kind of keep an eye on it. the last time it was discussed

[1:28:46] about the camper. He still is thinking that there's someone living in that

[1:28:52] camper and he's also concerned with um I believe it's the blue vehicle. When I

[1:28:58] went and took pictures yesterday, it was parked correctly, but at times it's

[1:29:02] facing to the south on the wrong side of the street and he was concerned about

[1:29:05] that as well.

[1:29:09] and the weeds and stuff around the fence area.

[1:29:14] [laughter] The camper does have the bump out on it

[1:29:19] out still, but you can't tell if there's you couldn't tell if there's lights on

[1:29:24] in the evening or not. And just a background, this camper was communicated

[1:29:30] to us that someone was living in it at one time and then when we had reached

[1:29:34] out again, they had said that they were not living in it anymore but remodeling

[1:29:39] it and that's why the bump was out. So I don't know, maybe the police can monitor

[1:29:47] activity to I don't know. I don't know what we do to

[1:29:53] see if living in it. window. Of course, it's so

[1:30:03] [clears throat] on the camper. >> We don't have any clue whether it's

[1:30:08] plated, right? So, I mean, we could send a jump vehicle notice and say,

[1:30:16] "Show your registration." It it needs to have a valid license plate. Even if it's

[1:30:22] parked on priv private property, it needs to be plated,

[1:30:27] » right? >> Yeah.

[1:30:29] » So, as a starting point, I would like to at least send them a junk vehicle notice

[1:30:37] saying that it needs to be plated >> or proof of. Yeah.

[1:30:42] » Proof of registration. >> Yeah.

[1:30:45] So, that's that's my motion. There a second. [clears throat]

[1:30:51] » I'll second that. >> Okay.

[1:30:54] All in favor signify by saying I. >> The same sign.

[1:31:04] Okay. The next item on the agenda is a request to change the October

[1:31:11] meeting date from October 21st to October 14th.

[1:31:17] due to some conflicts during the regular scheduled week.

[1:31:24] So, we're moving it up a week um in October

[1:31:28] from October 21 to October 14th. So, with with that in mind, if we change

[1:31:37] that date, then the letters all need to say that the properties need to be

[1:31:41] resolved before that date >> be the 13th

[1:31:45] » next month. Oh yeah, I'm sorry. Never mind. We're

[1:31:48] talking further out. [clears throat] Yeah, we got September to get [laughter]

[1:31:53] ahead of myself.

[1:31:59] » I'll make that motion. >> Okay. Is there a second?

[1:32:03] » I'll second it. >> Okay. We have a motion and a second to

[1:32:06] move October's meeting from October 21st to October 14th. All in favor signify by

[1:32:12] saying I. >> I. Oppose. same sign

[1:32:16] » on that October meeting. I mean, we can decide at the next [clears throat]

[1:32:21] meeting, but that might be one we might end up needing to do at night

[1:32:28] for a few of these individuals. So, just keep that in mind. I would not be

[1:32:34] opposed to it. >> Okay.

[1:32:39] » Other issues? >> Yes.

[1:32:44] 805 West Main Street. The pickup truck is parked on the

[1:32:49] sidewalk every day. Every

[1:32:54] corner of Portland and Yeah. corner of Portland and Maine,

[1:32:58] » but not all day. Sometimes >> not all day. But

[1:33:02] » I I know what you're saying, Dwight. I've seen it there on the sidewalk, but

[1:33:05] I've also seen it in the driveway. >> There's not sidewalk

[1:33:09] » over a lot of what parking. >> There is not a sidewalk. It's over some

[1:33:14] of what he's parking. Literally not a sidewalk.

[1:33:18] » Well, that's not his fault. >> He started parking there. His kids were

[1:33:22] falling. >> Yeah, there is a The concrete is

[1:33:25] » I think it's >> it's up.

[1:33:28] » He didn't like dump mud. I mean, he >> Yeah, I think there's sidewalk there.

[1:33:32] It's just been covered for years. So, I say I've lived in that neighbor my whole

[1:33:36] life and I don't and that was my aunt's house. So, I was there all the time and

[1:33:42] when I was a kid that was a mud spot. So, I'm not saying there's not sidewalk,

[1:33:48] but I know that where he's parking there's not visible sidewalk that's even

[1:33:51] being utilized. So, I'm not sure if it like there are no kids trying to ride

[1:33:56] their bikes over there or walk over there or

[1:33:59] » Well, they can't because of the trim. >> They can't because there's no sidewalk

[1:34:02] » and just for kicks. Just for kids, I grew up in that house.

[1:34:07] » That's That's amazing. You both have good memories there.

[1:34:09] » Yeah, I have great memories there. And I was there till I was a senior in high

[1:34:13] school, which was years ago. But there is a sidewalk there.

[1:34:18] » Well, and I think on that from a decorum perspective, we want to discuss it.

[1:34:23] » We should have a complaint form. We should officially discuss it at the next

[1:34:27] meeting. >> I turned one in with a picture.

[1:34:31] » I had a picture of the truck. >> Yeah. So it'll be on the next agenda.

[1:34:36] » No, it's been on a few months ago. >> Oh, we

[1:34:40] » Yeah, >> we discussed it. We have a complaint

[1:34:42] form on the sidewalk issue or the trucking park is

[1:34:45] » we want to resurrect that complaint form, then resurrect that complaint form

[1:34:50] and we'll take pictures and we'll discuss it at the next meeting and

[1:34:54] research, you know, what Trish is saying and what what options there are.

[1:35:00] [clears throat] But for this board to take action, I

[1:35:04] wasn't prepared. So, yeah, I can't talk speak to it

[1:35:08] » like I could the other properties. >> And another item I have, I got a call

[1:35:13] Monday night 9:30 from a very prominent businessman

[1:35:20] in burn. He said, "What's being done with the antique mall?"

[1:35:26] He said, "It is deplorable." Excuse

[1:35:31] me. >> So, last meeting

[1:35:34] somebody was going to contact the lady that owns it in Bluffton.

[1:35:40] Did that contact been made? Has that been made?

[1:35:43] » I haven't called her, but I have I have her number. I can call her.

[1:35:48] » Yeah. Someone told me that she was selling all of the or get trying to get

[1:35:52] rid of all the things that were inside and she was selling it and she was going

[1:35:58] to sell it. So I don't know. >> I'll call her report back at the next

[1:36:02] meeting. >> Great.

[1:36:05] » Yeah. A number of people have mentioned to me

[1:36:09] the condition of that building.

[1:36:14] » I think it's a beautiful historical building. I wish there would be a

[1:36:18] complaint form. >> Refurbish it.

[1:36:21] » Buy it and refurbish it and make it a >> museum.

[1:36:26] » Well, a complaint form on that building. Everybody in Burnham will send it in.

[1:36:31] » That's the main section. [clears throat] Yeah.

[1:36:33] » Yeah. We'd be interested in knowing her thoughts on the future of that building.

[1:36:40] » Well, [clears throat] the mayor can reach out. I I still think back to what

[1:36:46] I stated at the beginning of the meeting. Our review board's job at these

[1:36:52] meetings are to review complaint forms that have been submitted and do what we

[1:36:57] did on many cases this morning, come up with a action plan of what we're going

[1:37:02] to do. So that's what this review board's job is. So

[1:37:07] » do we really need a complaint form on that? I

[1:37:10] » that's the process. >> It is. I mean, what else have we talked

[1:37:15] about today that there wasn't a complaint form?

[1:37:20] That's that's the official way and it's not I'm not trying to be difficult but

[1:37:26] that's the right way to do it. >> The mayor will report next month.

[1:37:31] » You can report but then what are we going to do?

[1:37:33] » Well, have to see what what the plans are.

[1:37:36] » Are we are we waiting for a motion to retire this meeting?

[1:37:42] » [laughter] >> I haven't asked for one, John, because

[1:37:46] we still have another item on the agenda.

[1:37:50] » Board comments. >> It says board comments. If you look at

[1:37:53] your paper, >> it's not line.

[1:37:57] » Are there any board comments? >> You can you can file a complaint with

[1:38:01] the city or there's forms in the entryway. I'll get you one if you would

[1:38:04] like one. line of sight. >> What I'm saying is

[1:38:09] » that line of sight thing that >> that has not

[1:38:12] » somebody was talking about >> that has not been

[1:38:15] » it's a line of sight to everybody that drives fast. So that

[1:38:20] » to me that's a very silly thing to

[1:38:25] » Are there any board comments >> in writing? Okay.

[1:38:29] » Hearing none, I'll entertain a motion. Okay. The one board comment I did want

[1:38:35] to make and I think everything's everyone's aware of it. The updates to

[1:38:40] the nuisance ordinance that have been discussed at city council were discussed

[1:38:45] on August the 10th. Several of you were in attendance. Uh those that ordinance

[1:38:52] was introduced at that meeting and it will be discussed again [clears throat]

[1:38:56] on Monday night the 24th. Um and with potential action being taken to adopt

[1:39:04] it. So just be aware of that and nuisance for board members. We've shared

[1:39:10] the whole ordinance with everybody as we said we would. So once it was

[1:39:15] introduced. >> Yeah. Once it was introduced. So that

[1:39:18] was the one board comment I wanted to make.

[1:39:22] » Okay. I entertain a motion to adjourn. >> You have it.

[1:39:26] » Is [laughter] there a second? Second. >> All in favor signify by saying I. I.

[1:39:32] » Oppos same sign.

08/19/2026 Berne Nuisance Review Board Meeting

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