[0:00] or something. >> Well, the online system's down right

[0:03] now, so I just got to record it. >> All stand for the pledge allegiance

[0:13] to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for it

[0:18] standy

[0:23] and justice for all. [clears throat]

[0:29] And we need a roll call. >> Lumpy

[0:32] » here. >> Nestrom

[0:34] » here. >> Walton

[0:35] » here. >> Nikki

[0:36] » here. Galler >> here.

[0:37] » Okay. >> And next approval of the July 23rd

[0:44] minutes. [snorts] >> Move to approve the minutes.

[0:48] » I second. >> All in favor?

[0:51] » I >> I

[0:53] » Okay.

[0:57] Next on this agenda is public comments not related to items of the agenda.

[1:04] This is only one thing on the agenda so far.

[1:08] Anything not related. Moving ahead,

[1:13] we'll now have a public hearing for 318 Ives Avenue. The Panda Bear Properties

[1:20] Jennifer Joel and Payton Scarda. Thank you. Varian request to allow up to

[1:26] four unrelated people to reside on the property. Property is own RP which is

[1:32] residential professional and

[1:39] start. >> You can start. Yes. M.

[1:49] Uh the property as you stated um is zoned

[1:54] RP at 318 Ives and the applicant is asking to allow the property to use for

[2:01] four unrelated people and the RP zoning district. Uh 318 Ives is located in RP

[2:09] and the RP district only allows for single family residential plus one

[2:15] additional occupant as the if the property is owner occupied the

[2:20] surrounding properties majority nonconformity in regards to the

[2:24] multifamily rental status staff is aware that there's a high number of non

[2:29] non-conforming properties in the area of the RP district and there's a map in

[2:34] your packet that was provided. There's actually two maps. Uh the first map

[2:40] shows the area and the rental properties that are in that area and how many units

[2:49] are in that rental by color. [snorts] And then the other map is a little bit

[2:56] confusing. Um, but it shows where the R what the like what properties are zoned

[3:04] RP in the city and then if those properties

[3:09] have the P exemption, which means that they're a primary resident for um

[3:17] the occupant, which usually if something is a primary

[3:21] residence for an occupant, I'm actually if a if it's a primary residence for an

[3:26] occupant. It's not a rental. That's usually how we catch them like or can

[3:32] kind of figure it out because if you're primary residence, you're not renting

[3:36] unless you have a single occupant rental.

[3:40] So um and then it shows like which one are active rentals, which one were um

[3:49] primary residences um in 2007, which is when the RP

[3:56] district was established and which ones have always been primary residents.

[4:03] So that's what that map means or [snorts] shows. Uh the RP zoning, it's

[4:10] relatively new. As I said, it was only in 2007, which sounds not new, but in

[4:16] zoning world, that's new. Um resulting in a high number of legal non-conforming

[4:22] properties, which means they existed prior to that RP's district being

[4:27] established. since the establishment of RP 318ISE had

[4:32] been used as a single family residence. So, it was conforming to the ordinance.

[4:38] Um, since it was conforming, the variance would be required to allow the

[4:44] non-conforming use to exist on the property.

[4:49] The house itself is situated on par. It gives a partial number and it has four

[4:54] bedrooms and the applicant plans to prepare a surface in the rear yard

[4:59] adjacent to the alley for parking.

[5:04] Uh the case of the zoning board of appeals arises from the fact that the

[5:08] majority of the surrounding properties are legal non-conforming multifamily

[5:12] rentals. When purchasing the property, the applicant was under the impression

[5:16] that there are area allowed for multifamily rentals due to the high

[5:21] number in the area. During the renovation and rental inspection

[5:25] process, the applicant was informed that they could not rent out the unit to

[5:30] unrelated occupants because it would classify as a multifamily rental, which

[5:34] is not permitted in the RP district.

[5:39] Um, the next section of your staff report goes through the standards for

[5:45] variances and staff's analysis of those standards. Uh, due to the uses of the

[5:51] surrounding property and the proposed use of this house standing in contrast

[5:55] with the intention of the ordinance, staff cannot recommend outright approval

[6:01] of this ordinance as there is very limited hardship that wasn't

[6:05] self-created.

[6:10] And then the rest of the staff report is just your motions or sample motions that

[6:16] are available for the board to use. >> Question.

[6:21] » Yeah. >> In relation to this map.

[6:24] » Yes. >> Right.

[6:26] » As opposed to this map. Ives is in this area or I think

[6:32] there's no street. I when I looked online I looked, okay, where's Locus?

[6:37] hives and all that kind of stuff. And >> oh, there's no labels.

[6:42] » I'm making an assumption. [snorts] Well, actually, I'm not making an

[6:45] assumption. I did that right. >> Um, on the one with all the nice pink

[6:49] and everything. >> Locust is that first street on this map.

[6:55] » I can't see. I got to come up. >> All right.

[7:02] » The only reason I say that is Okay. This right here, right?

[7:07] » Yeah. Here's here's here's I This is on this picture.

[7:11] There's this. This is Locust. >> I believe this is locus. So I So the 31

[7:17] would be right down here. >> I mean, this is just moved up a little

[7:21] bit. >> Yeah. This is a zoomed in version

[7:24] » of this area. >> Yes.

[7:26] » Gotcha. >> All right. [clears throat]

[7:30] » This one I wanted to confirm. >> Okay. Yeah, we're good.

[7:38] Now, there's an opportunity for the applicant to make a presentation.

[7:45] » Yep. Up there. State your name, Mary. Liv, and uh try to

[7:53] This is a smaller group, >> so about 10 minutes or so, whatever you

[7:58] need. >> Okay. Um my name is Jennifer Scarta and

[8:02] that's my husband Joel Scarta. Um we're the parents of Payton Scarta and he is

[8:07] part owner of Ives as well as a student at Ferris.

[8:11] Um as parents of three children all within two years of age of each other.

[8:16] We have tried to find ways to make school affordable

[8:20] um not just for us but for um the people that also will live with him. Um, one of

[8:26] the ways for us was to purchase a home and allow our child to live there with

[8:31] roommates that help share the costs of living. Um, we are asking for a variance

[8:37] to be able to use this property as an open owner occupied student rental for a

[8:41] total of three renters. Um, when looking for a home in the

[8:47] rental district, we did so in good faith um with good intentions, thinking it was

[8:52] an appropriate rental district. um as this is what we were told. Um we

[8:59] were shocked to learn um otherwise near completion uh of the renovations.

[9:04] Um and solely the result of misinformation, misunderstanding from

[9:10] the realer that we um had on the other side of the transaction and we apologize

[9:16] that we have to be here for this now. Um, however, throughout the process of

[9:20] transforming this property, we pulled all of the proper permits. Um, we went

[9:25] above and beyond on the renovations. The property was truly an eyesore on the

[9:31] street. It was very overgrown. Um, the wind there were no windows on

[9:37] the um exterior or the porch on the side of the house. Um, it was overgrown with

[9:43] vines. There were animal feces in there. Um floors needed leveling. The kitchen

[9:49] was very dilapidated. In place of the kitchen sink was a washer and dryer um

[9:55] that was hooked up there. The um there was a stove plugged into the middle of

[10:02] the floor of the kitchen. So made the kitchen basically um

[10:08] nonfunctional to the average person. Um, bathrooms

[10:14] um were also very outdated, 50 plus years

[10:19] um for the age of the vanities. Um older plumbing, unsafe electrical. Um and

[10:26] those are all things that we took care of. Um, and we're very proud that it is

[10:31] now not an eyesore and it not only um looks beautiful, but it also helps to

[10:37] raise the property value um for the Big Rapid School District as a whole. Um,

[10:44] but especially on that street and for the neighboring properties.

[10:48] Um,

[10:51] let's see. Um, we um invested in it, substantially

[10:58] improved it, and brought it back to a condition that contributes positively to

[11:03] the neighborhood while increasing surrounding property values. The

[11:07] proposed use is consistent with the established residential renter character

[11:13] and actual use of this particular street or block. Um we are are asking for a

[11:21] sight specific variance because of the unique circumstances of this property

[11:25] and this particular block. There are in fact students living next door that have

[11:30] moved in in this past week um there now. [clears throat]

[11:34] Um the property is already a rental district or in a rental district. The

[11:38] surrounding properties are overwhelmingly

[11:42] rentals. Um, student rentals already exist immediately around it. Our son is

[11:48] now an owner of the property, so it will be owner occupied and maintained. And

[11:52] the physical property has been renovated to accommodate residential

[11:57] uh rental use. The home um was well is well prepared to support student

[12:03] housing. It has four parking spots, not on the street. The permit was pulled and

[12:08] approved for that. There are house rules to keep things in order. Um, Payton will

[12:14] be maintaining the home and the yard um and overseeing the management of the

[12:19] property. Our proposed is not [sighs] our proposed use is not materially

[12:27] different than the use of the surrounding properties. Um, I will also

[12:31] be stopping by uh periodically. I'm we're we pass this town on our way more

[12:37] north of here a lot. Um the rental division has inspected it and

[12:43] approved the home and the other things that were approved there were um the

[12:49] plumbing and electric which we pulled permits for. That's all new throughout

[12:52] the home. Um we aren't asking the city to to change the character of this

[12:57] neighborhood. We're asking the city to recognize the character that already

[13:00] exists. Um, we have demonstrated our commitment to this property and this

[13:05] neighborhood through our substantial investment and rehabilitation.

[13:09] Again, it would be owner occupied and we understand that some properties have

[13:14] established or grandfathered rights. We aren't asking the city to disregard its

[13:18] regulations. We are asking the city to recognize that our proper property is

[13:22] similarly situated in terms of the neighborhood character and that an owner

[13:27] occupied rental with a total of four occupants is re is a reasonable and

[13:32] limited accommodation. Thank you. >> Thank you.

[13:36] » Thank you. >> Questions anybody right now?

[13:40] » We may have questions later. >> Okay.

[13:43] [clears throat and cough]

[13:47] Now we have an opportunity for those in opposition to this to speak

[13:59] » hearing none. Um anything reported? >> Uh you have you forgot those in support.

[14:09] » I'm just making sure you remember them. And then the other is you had two emails

[14:15] in your packet that I got before I created packets and emailed them out. So

[14:19] you have two emails in there and then you have another email that was sitting

[14:24] to the side of your packet that I got um since the packets.

[14:29] » Okay. >> Right.

[14:41] And then I did not receive any phone calls.

[14:45] » No phone calls. Is this on? Okay. Sorry.

[14:52] I don't have to read this. And we got the two. There is two in favor. That's

[14:56] in the packet. >> Yes.

[14:57] » Read that. >> Okay.

[15:03] Well, >> you have to ask if there's anybody

[15:06] supporting it. >> You didn't give people Sorry.

[15:08] » You forgot about people who are supporting it.

[15:12] » I forgot about people who are supporting it.

[15:14] » Give them the opportunity to speak. >> Yeah.

[15:20] » Yeah. Anybody? Yeah. Anybody in favor to speak? Yeah. Go ahead. Sorry. [laughter]

[15:25] It's been a long day for me. >> I feel you. Really long week.

[15:30] » Yes.

[15:33] I assume that I'm supposed to come up here.

[15:35] » Yeah. State [laughter] name. >> Okay. Okay. So, my name is Jody Steves.

[15:38] I live at 510 Winter, but my husband Mark and I own right across the street

[15:44] from 318 Ives. So, we own two properties, 321 Ives and 325 Ives. So,

[15:50] um I'm here tonight in support of granting the variance for 318 Ives to

[15:55] allow four unrelated individuals to live in the home. Um, I just said Mark and I

[16:01] own across the street and we've owned those about 15 years. And in my opinion,

[16:06] 318 Ives um has long been the most rundown property on that block. And uh

[16:13] we've watched it deteriorate year after year. Um that's why we're so glad to see

[16:20] the new owners step in and completely renovate it this summer. They've shown a

[16:24] real commitment to upgrading the home so that four individuals can live

[16:29] comfortably there. There's four bedrooms, as you stated, a bath and a

[16:32] half. Um, we've toured it. It's beautiful. Um, they've also upgraded the

[16:38] off streetet parking, which is nice um to easily handle four cars. So, um,

[16:45] based on the significant investment they've made, I have full confidence

[16:49] that they will continue to maintain the property to a high standard. So, I ask

[16:54] that you grant this request. Thank you.

[17:01] » Yes. Go ahead.

[17:05] » Good evening. First [snorts] of all, thanks for being

[17:08] here. I've sat on the ZBA for 15 years in my township. So, I appreciate what

[17:13] you guys put into this. But my name is Paul Leinger. I own the rental right

[17:17] behind them at 318 Hives. I purchased that or no? Yeah, they're at 318 Hives.

[17:23] I'm at 319 Stewart. So, I'm right behind them.

[17:26] » Right. >> So, I bought that the fall of 2017 when

[17:29] my daughter came up here first year at Ferris. I went to look for her for the

[17:32] next year when she got out of the dorms and the places were nasty. And luckily I

[17:36] was in a position to buy one and I did and kind of like these folks did that

[17:40] the next summer I gutted it, redid it all and I've held on to it and I've I've

[17:45] held on to for the fact that uh I've been landing grad students. I just love

[17:50] staying in touch with these kids and giving them a nice place. I also went

[17:54] down the rabbit hole of how hard is it to figure out what that area would look

[17:58] like in zoning. We I'm realtor uh so I kind of got in like to the city site. It

[18:04] was very hard for me to distinguish, okay, why was mine approved? And I

[18:08] understand the city's responsibility to itself to monitor where these homes, you

[18:13] know, what's going on with these homes. That being said, like mine's a rental. I

[18:17] believe the three to the left of me are, the ones behind are. So, I could

[18:22] certainly see there was no malicious intent that if I looked at that, too.

[18:26] Unless I really came in and probably spoke to the zoning director, I would

[18:30] have complete expectation that was going to be a student rental available. And

[18:35] what's already been said, they've done a phenomenal job of it. I haven't been in

[18:39] it. I drove by yesterday cuz I actually had my certificate renewed yesterday.

[18:44] And uh I just know I don't know them personally, but when you own it, you

[18:50] take care of it. And these guys, I don't think are looking to be slumlords and

[18:53] buying 10 of them or nothing. And I hope it works for them. That has tremendously

[18:59] helped my situation with my daughter. She went on to grad school in Indiana

[19:04] and that has helped her substantially. So kudos for you guys for helping your

[19:09] kids because it's a long road when they get into college. So I just like to

[19:13] offer my support for the request. >> Thank you.

[19:15] » Thank you. >> Thank you. Anybody

[19:19] else in favor to speak?

[19:27] » Please don't look at me as a closer. I probably should have [laughter]

[19:32] » jumped up first. >> Um, my name is Mark Spece and as you

[19:36] know, I'm married to Jodie and we operate under Park Hill Properties and

[19:40] we actually have four houses in the RP district. So, we kind of know the ins

[19:45] and out of RP and we still screw up. [laughter]

[19:49] Um, the reason that I want you to give the

[19:52] variance is that house was going nowhere. It was in such it was in such

[20:00] horrible condition. It wouldn't have been possible for a new a starter

[20:05] family, you know, home wouldn't have taken on that project. It was just too

[20:09] monumental. And the reason, even though I don't know

[20:14] these folks, the reason that I'm very confident they're going to do a

[20:19] good job long before they got flagged, so to speak, on the very, you know, on

[20:26] the zoning difficulty, they did something that

[20:31] a lot of landlords don't do in this city. They actually brought up the level

[20:36] of the windows and like on the the sun porch, they spent a lot of money redoing

[20:42] those windows. And I've seen a lot of folks that make a lot of money in

[20:46] rentals in this town simply cover windows up. Have you all seen that where

[20:51] they just make a whole wall of windows disappear because it's drafty or

[20:57] whatever? And they did that on their own. They have a good eye and I think

[21:02] they'll be an asset. And no offense to you, sir. I hope they do buy 10

[21:06] properties here. [laughter] >> That's what they buy.

[21:11] » Um because uh we even though they would be potential competitors, we we think it

[21:18] brings up it just brings up the level of housings, you get better people, you get

[21:23] a better feel of community, and you get more activity downtown in the walkable

[21:29] area. It's a great neighborhood and if any of you ever want to discuss RP with

[21:34] me, I'm not going to do it here. Your time's limited. I would love to give my

[21:38] opinion. You probably don't want to hear it. [snorts]

[21:41] [laughter] Thank you so much for being here and we

[21:44] know it's a lot of work and it's a volunteer thing. Thanks so much for

[21:47] being here for the community. >> Thank you.

[21:50] » Thank you. >> Well, soon as I put this out of order, I

[21:54] guess you don't have to rebut the opp the the favor. [clears throat]

[22:00] or whatever. Um,

[22:04] got that, got that, got that. Is there anything else? Anybody else have to

[22:07] speak in favor? >> Maybe just one other thing I'd add in my

[22:09] comment is it was listed on the MLS. It was available out there and a single

[22:14] owner could have purchased it for a single family. So, to me, it's almost

[22:18] market tested that it almost seemed to find its own path to what it is and what

[22:23] I think it should be. >> Okay. All right. Thank you.

[22:28] I want to add one more thing too. So, for creating affordable housing, um,

[22:33] [clears throat]

[22:35] » it really would help if we could because we

[22:38] » you get this recorded. Sorry. >> Didn't you show up on camera?

[22:41] » Yeah. Um just regarding affordable housing,

[22:45] Payton did live in um the College Town Apartments last year and um while

[22:53] they're great to offer students housing, we did not find that very affordable

[22:58] with all of their surprise fees and things of that nature. A 12-month lease

[23:04] when the kids are here for 9 months. And um so we're

[23:10] we're trying to be better and offer some different options for the kids. So, a

[23:16] shorter lease, um lower monthly fees, more um of the uh utilities included,

[23:23] and um just some options if instead of having to move stuff out, if they wanted

[23:28] to stay there again, um they could have a reduced rent over the summer to leave

[23:32] their items there and not have to move them out of sto.

[23:36] Um so, that was another um goal of ours was not just to have housing for Payton,

[23:42] but to help other kids as well. Okay.

[23:46] » Very good. [snorts] >> I have one quick comment.

[23:55] » And your name is again? >> So, my name is Joel. Okay. Husband and

[23:58] Jen. Um, I just want to say I have never met this gentleman. I've never seen him.

[24:02] I did not know that he was going to come today. Um, I did meet Jod and Mark um

[24:07] the first week we started the renovation and I was very um forthcoming just of

[24:13] what we're doing. There was no hidden agenda or anything like we're going to

[24:17] sneak some kids in here because it's in the wrong district. We truly did not

[24:20] know. Um and we found out a week before the renovation was done and that was

[24:25] certainly our fault for not doing the complete follow through. But as everyone

[24:28] has spoken, the whole district, the whole area is all rentals to my left, to

[24:32] my right, across the street, it's all we're the only single family home. And

[24:37] the renovation was substantial, six digits. Um, no single family home or

[24:43] single family buyer in my opinion, I have a sore throat, I'm sorry, could

[24:48] purchase that home without construction background to be able to fix it up to

[24:52] what it was. So, that's why it sat there stagnant. You can't rent it because it

[24:56] won't pass code and you couldn't fix up as a single a first-time home buyer

[25:00] because it's far too much of a renovation. So, having said that, thank

[25:04] you for your time and um I did know they were going to speak, but I certainly

[25:08] didn't beg or plead for Jody Martin either. And we don't know that anybody.

[25:13] [laughter] >> Thank you.

[25:14] » Thank you. >> All right. Nobody else

[25:20] portion is closed and now we get to go into fact finding.

[25:25] » Yep. So, as I said, so they have So, there's

[25:31] three with the So, there's three across the street to them. Three bedroom, three

[25:37] rentals around them and behind them. >> Mhm.

[25:43] » Well, when I look at this map, >> those aren't bedrooms.

[25:46] » Yeah. >> This one

[25:48] » Yeah. >> that you're looking at, those are units.

[25:52] » They're not bedrooms. So like a one unit is just one apartment. So a lot of

[25:58] houses have been divided up. So they might like there are houses that are

[26:06] four units but each unit could have different amount of bedrooms.

[26:10] » Sure. >> Gotcha. Okay. Okay. Okay.

[26:15] Um, but looking at this, if this is the house where it's located, everything

[26:20] that's all x out are active rentals. [snorts]

[26:24] » Is that that's correct? Except the >> Well, [clears throat]

[26:28] » anything with crosshatch is a rental. So, it we didn't separate out whether

[26:33] it's a rental for single family. That's more what this map does. Like a one unit

[26:39] » could be a single family rental. It could also be for unrelated. We didn't

[26:44] » Okay. It gets too complicated to map like all of the different use.

[26:49] » Okay. So, remind me of the single family is how many people unrelated?

[26:53] » Single. So, if it's >> So, the RP district allows single

[26:58] family, which doesn't it only allows for [clears throat]

[27:02] » a mom and dad and a kid or something, right?

[27:04] » Yeah. There's not occupancy limits on family.

[27:07] » Okay. And so in the RP district, it allows for single family and if it's a

[27:12] homeowner property or a PR property, they can also

[27:17] have one additional occupant. >> So they're asking for

[27:20] » not related. >> That's not related.

[27:22] » So they're asking for two more non-related people. We're looking at

[27:26] looking at this aspect of like a R2 or something where they get to have one if

[27:33] they owner occupied one plus >> three others for four unrelated. That's

[27:39] basically what we're >> basically what doing

[27:42] » they want. Yeah. Three other people now unrelated.

[27:44] » That's why we want the variance to do that.

[27:46] » Yes. Um, couple questions I have and

[27:52] if probably be good to get up there. Um, and you answer it partly,

[28:03] I think. Of course, I can't get to where I want

[28:06] to get to, but >> we'll see. [clears throat]

[28:12] Bear with me. So side note for Michelle. So everything

[28:18] around them is unrelated people as rentals.

[28:22] » No. Anything on >> like the people who are here right now,

[28:26] they have rental homes. >> Yes.

[28:29] » They are not. They are having nonrelated people in those homes.

[28:32] » Some of them. >> So anything on this map that is green

[28:38] » Yeah. >> or red, okay,

[28:42] » are single family homes. So on that street there's really

[28:46] » bright red. >> Anything that's bright green, light

[28:49] green, or bright red are single family homes.

[28:51] » Okay. >> Right.

[28:52] » And everything else in the pink with the hashtag is

[28:56] » anything with the hash anything with the hashtag is a rental. So we don't we in

[29:02] our system we classify rentals whether they're a single family rental or a

[29:06] multifamily rental, but it's too much to map

[29:12] » all around them. And you're saying all the pink around them is RP also.

[29:17] » All of that that Yes. Everything shown on the map that has a color is RP.

[29:23] [snorts] >> So they have in those house in the pink

[29:26] if it's RP, the owner is in one of the owners is in that and then they have

[29:31] other No. Okay. >> No.

[29:34] » So because because the RP district was new

[29:39] in 2007, >> right? A lot of the properties in that

[29:44] area are multifamily or for unrelated people,

[29:49] » okay, >> are in those rentals. I just can't

[29:53] distinguish, >> okay,

[29:55] » which ones are single family rentals and which ones are not. We didn't

[30:00] » But the unit one, this map that showed you the [clears throat] units,

[30:04] » right? I mean, if you have two, three, and four units, they could still be

[30:10] single family units. Like, one of them could be a single occupant or a two

[30:14] occupant that are family, but they're likely more geared towards

[30:19] » Okay, >> the four unrelated.

[30:22] » Okay, >> but they're all rental.

[30:25] » But I didn't map bedrooms because it gets confusing to map units and

[30:30] bedrooms. >> Okay.

[30:32] » All right. I found it. Thanks for filling some there. [laughter] I

[30:35] appreciate that. Um,

[30:40] when it says the property could not be reasonably used for the purpose

[30:43] permitted in the zone, can you elaborate that because your answer was all homes

[30:48] on the street are college rentals andor rentals?

[30:52] » Um, >> could you say why?

[30:56] » It's sub. So, the home was in such a deteriorated condition.

[31:02] It was I mean I know there was people that were staying there periodically as

[31:06] they passed through town for their jobs or at least that's what we were told but

[31:10] to live there it was really gross. There was rodent droppings everywhere. Um

[31:17] » let me speak. >> Excuse. So I did a lot of the work

[31:20] there. Um and of course hired out licensed professionals.

[31:23] » I'm sorry. We still like to have you up at the mic. It just makes it easier.

[31:30] So, as I stated, the home was in such disrepair that in my opinion, I think a

[31:37] reasonable opinion would be it would be very, very difficult for anyone to buy

[31:40] that home and first of all see all the rentals around them and say, "I'm going

[31:44] to buy this and move my family of three into here and fix it up because it

[31:49] needed a massive amount." There was $15,000 worth of electric work done. Um,

[31:53] and that was pulled with the county on the permits done the right way. um all

[31:58] new plumbing. So that was another permit. It was not functional. It could

[32:02] not have no conventional loan would have approved that um let alone a FHA loan

[32:08] because it was in such disrepair. So that was when I made that statement that

[32:12] that's why it was just bringing the whole neighborhood down. Um and never in

[32:16] a million years did we we would have never bought it if we knew we couldn't

[32:19] rent. We were given misinformation. Not that that's an excuse for us not doing

[32:23] our homework. No, I just wanted to know why a single family would have, in your

[32:29] opinion, it would be difficult. >> They wouldn't have the means to know how

[32:32] to fix up a house. I mean, it needed everything. All new plumbing, all new

[32:35] electrical, all new flooring, all new kitchen, bathrooms. Um, the average

[32:39] single family person wouldn't see the equity they could build. Got

[32:44] » to do it. And because I swing a hammer every day, I was able to make it make

[32:47] sense. And certainly since my my son's going to live there, it made a little

[32:51] bit more sense. Um, and no, we don't plan on buying any more rentals in Big

[32:54] Rapids. Okay. >> For no other reason. We're just trying

[32:57] to make it affordable for our son. >> Gotcha.

[33:00] » Um, also in regards to what he hit on with the with the loans, so when a

[33:06] buyer, an average family wants to buy a home, it's more than likely going to be

[33:10] a loan. Um, a conventional loan, an FHA loan, um, probably would have been or a

[33:17] VA loan would have been the top three types of, um, loans to purchase the

[33:21] property. All of those are going to have an appraisal and the appraiser that

[33:25] comes through is also going to do a health and safety inspection which would

[33:28] not have passed. Um the conventional loan is the least strict on that but

[33:34] they still there was a handful of so many things there. They would have

[33:36] requested the seller to repair them in order to underwrite the home. So it

[33:40] would have needed to be a cash sale. >> So this thing basically could have sat

[33:45] there >> yes

[33:46] » forever. It did. It sat there for 15 years [laughter]

[33:50] » and it would continue in my opinion it would continue to sit there to infinity.

[33:56] » Okay. I was just looking at that question there.

[33:58] » Yeah. >> Anybody have other questions? Anything

[34:02] else before? >> Um, no. Not yet. No.

[34:05] » Yeah. >> You use a lot about, you know, you're

[34:08] talking about beautifying the area. Obviously, you're talking about the

[34:12] outside, fixing it up, doing that kind of stuff.

[34:15] » Every We did everything. Yeah. And we had on a cute side, Payton was doing

[34:22] things at this home that he doesn't even do at our house for us. So, I know he's

[34:27] going to take care of it. Like he went when we went to Lowe's, he picked out

[34:31] the plants. I showed him how to, you know, the landscaping rules, do it in

[34:36] odd numbers, do it this way, you know, and he he did all the edging. He did the

[34:40] wood chips. He was he's he's so proud to have that place that I know he's going

[34:44] to continue to take good care of it. Yeah.

[34:46] » All right. Thanks.

[34:54] » Okay. >> Um,

[34:56] » no, that's all right. >> I just want to get the idea of why a

[35:00] single family would have a difficult time doing that or even someone with a

[35:05] business or something like that since it was RP.

[35:09] » Looks like the the the listing was removed in 2012.

[35:13] So when they talk about 15 years, it's about right. Uh

[35:17] » yeah, >> it was in bad shape. I live in the

[35:21] neighborhood. >> I can

[35:25] tell. >> Well, that's that helps me out a little

[35:28] bit. >> I was just going to say if you'd like

[35:31] before and afters and but you already addressed it. I had no

[35:34] » It was in terrible shape. >> Okay.

[35:36] » Like >> All right. Thank you.

[35:39] » I know we're a small group. We still got to go a little protocol here.

[35:47] Um, all the other places are basically

[35:52] rentals in terms whether they're single family or whatever, renting, that kind

[35:56] of stuff. >> Well, they're according to Michelle's

[35:58] thing. I mean, they're pretty much rentals if they're one or three units

[36:03] all around them, >> right?

[36:06] » The only place that's not a rental is the United Way.

[36:11] » I mean, it's like it goes back other ones where you have the bedroom and the

[36:14] closet like making sure >> the eyes are dotted for our you know our

[36:18] pink spot for a bedroom and as we go through that checklist

[36:24] » and as long as you know >> is anybody anybody living there now I

[36:30] mean >> son does the others are moving in the

[36:33] next day or two >> so staff

[36:37] in trying to be cooperative I mean we gave them a conditional certificate of

[36:43] occupancy based on or not certificate of occupancy. We don't issue those. We gave

[36:49] them a conditional rental certificate based on this meeting with the

[36:54] understanding that if this was voted down, they have to be out in 30 days

[36:59] because they had already had kids ready to move in and we didn't

[37:04] want to >> didn't want people on the street.

[37:09] » Right. We were trying [clears throat] to be cooperative.

[37:12] » Legally, we don't have to give them that certificate

[37:16] » until this was approved or denied. >> Has um their rental person walk through

[37:21] the house. >> A rental person has walked through the

[37:24] house. Yes. >> Is this

[37:27] » sound like that was a positive? >> Yeah.

[37:29] » Thing that one unit. >> It is one unit. Yes.

[37:34] » Basically a single family home with four bedrooms.

[37:36] » Yes.

[37:43] What do you think, Jeff? What's your opinion?

[37:47] » Well, I'm thinking if I'm wrong, all variances

[37:53] stay with the property, not the person. in reading when I was reading through

[38:01] the zoning board documents

[38:05] if we approved this if I understand from what they say we

[38:10] allow we can put a stipulation that it cannot be broken up into multi-units in

[38:15] the future >> it can't be broken up to multi-units in

[38:18] the future because zoning doesn't allow it so you can add that stipulation but

[38:22] » I'm my concern is it's like it's wonderful that they did a great job But

[38:28] if we approve this to be unrelated, they sell it. The next guy might not be

[38:34] [laughter] as nice about it. You know, I just want to make sure that it like they

[38:38] can't be like because my biggest problem with the multi-units, I don't really

[38:41] have one with the number of people is when they have like outside staircases

[38:45] and they start putting 13 mailboxes up. >> So, this isn't

[38:50] » so my fear would be that someone would buy it and do like what they've done to

[38:53] other houses where they chop it up. This variance isn't asking for

[38:58] multi-unit. It's asking for four unrelated people.

[39:02] » Yeah. Yeah. That's I mean it's that that alone will be

[39:06] » pretty much say this house has to stay the way it is. You could just have two

[39:10] buddies, three buddies, four people living in your house with you, but it's

[39:14] still a single family home with four. >> It would be limited to four.

[39:18] » And if it's fixed up and they decide to sell it, maybe at that point a family

[39:22] might buy it and want to live there. You never know.

[39:25] And that's still okay in that area. >> Yeah.

[39:28] » Yeah. Whether it's rental. >> Yeah. Because you're worried about like

[39:30] putting extra kitchens in and chopping it up and things like that.

[39:33] » Yeah. >> I did go over and look at it and that

[39:38] you did an outstanding job out of the house.

[39:40] » I did too. >> And there is enough room for parking in

[39:43] the back. I went and drove in the alley. I was really pleased because I know how

[39:49] it looked before and how long the whole time I lived here. It's been like that.

[39:53] That's what the other question I was going to have. Is there enough room for

[39:56] four? >> I pulled the permit with them and they

[39:59] approved it. I widened the driveway and absolutely.

[40:03] » Okay. >> There is.

[40:04] » So, that's already done. >> Yes.

[40:07] [snorts] >> Okay. Because I know when here it says

[40:11] your plan was to increase it. So, >> it's already been done.

[40:13] » That's already been done. >> My my worry is that we keep doing this

[40:19] and it's all kid and grandfa like we're always making exceptions.

[40:23] to the rules all the time is with RB. >> But

[40:26] » down down the road, I hate going back this and I I want to

[40:32] say this in the in the best way.

[40:38] Trying to figure out how to say this and not say it out on term. There's a

[40:43] there's going to be a new master plan. >> Yeah.

[40:47] replaces >> there's going to be a new zoning

[40:49] » organiz new okay

[40:52] » there is a new master plan >> I'm sorry

[40:55] » there is a new master plan >> there is a new plan but it it still says

[40:58] on the TBD [clears throat] to be determined when it's going to be

[41:01] implemented >> oh yes I see what you're saying I

[41:05] thought you were saying we're getting a new ordinance and like

[41:08] » no did the master plan >> and they talk about mixed uses in

[41:14] properties and areas >> [snorts]

[41:16] » And there has been discussion in the past that down the road I mean are

[41:20] everybody that we're given variances to or they just come in too early and they

[41:23] decide oh let's just make this a mixed use don't know that and I want to say

[41:28] that I can't predict the future I don't know how that's going to work out but

[41:31] you never >> and I guess I just wish the real estate

[41:34] people would do more due diligence to tell you know potential buyers that this

[41:40] is what this zone is that's not fair to any you know to anybody you know then

[41:45] now they're trying to catch my due, >> right?

[41:47] » So, I wish that the I wish the realtor people would get with the program

[41:53] » to help out buyers like this is what this is. This is what you can and can't

[41:57] do. this is a pro process you go to the city you know and that's I feel bad that

[42:02] that happened to them that their their seller didn't you know their

[42:06] » the criteria that people can >> do that and and granted it's still and

[42:12] they've amended it's still up to the owners

[42:14] » right >> to to uh figure out is this feasible

[42:20] » feasible but when you again look around and you find out you know 90% of this

[42:26] » or 95% % of this >> is already rentals of some form or

[42:30] another. >> Yeah. Why can't Yeah. Why can't I do it

[42:32] kind of thing. >> Yeah. So that's the balancing act.

[42:35] » Are we changing? I don't No, we're not changing anything. The city changes the

[42:40] commission changes it, >> right?

[42:41] » That's what we do. We if if this is reasonable for variance,

[42:46] that's what we do, >> right? As long as like Jeff said, it

[42:50] stays with that. You know, the property doesn't change later on,

[42:53] » right? Well, I mean, it does change. I I've seen that. I've been here, you

[42:58] know, we've all been here for a long time.

[42:59] » Yeah. >> That when

[43:02] And we're we're a university town. Parents buy homes. They in whatever

[43:09] part. >> I know. I did. I [clears throat] bought

[43:10] a house for my son to go to Ferris >> and then it and it changed.

[43:14] » But I had no rentals though. I just stayed here.

[43:16] » I stayed here. Yeah. [laughter] I graduated. I stayed. So, yeah.

[43:18] » But I've seen people come and go. >> Yeah. you know, that's what they do. And

[43:22] it's still up to us. You know, if this happens again and they leave,

[43:27] » someone else comes in, they're going to ask for something,

[43:32] » right? >> And

[43:34] it may be, you know, whoever's on the board when

[43:38] that happens make this decision. >> What do you think, Deb?

[43:43] I don't personally see any reason why they shouldn't be able to.

[43:47] » No one can hear. I I don't have any problem with with

[43:52] them doing that. My neighbor um they did the same thing there. Bought the house

[43:57] and then rented it to their child and a few of his buddies so that they could

[44:01] split the cost and and make it more affordable for everybody to go to

[44:04] college and get their degree and when they were done they sold the house. Um

[44:10] you know and uh we have a nice family that lives there now and so I don't I

[44:15] don't have problem with it. If this was changed and the variance was granted and

[44:19] they sell another owner could come in and say now we can rent it to four other

[44:24] people or three other people or whatever.

[44:27] » Four. >> You can have four unrelated,

[44:30] » right? I mean, usually a son or a daughter lives there and then three

[44:34] other people or is it does that make it five?

[44:39] » Be still four. It's four no matter whether four.

[44:42] » Yeah. >> Okay. Whether the I got you. I

[44:45] understand that. Um,

[44:48] but they could sell it and then a family buys it and wants to live there. That's

[44:54] still reasonable. >> I mean, that's still a doable thing in

[44:57] that location. >> So,

[45:00] » yeah, >> at that point. Mhm.

[45:06] » And if you look at the long term, if you look at the long-term master plan and

[45:11] read through it, which I have,

[45:15] these are some of the areas where we're trying to have a relationship with

[45:19] Ferris where students have not that we're saying we limit it

[45:24] to students. Anybody can live there. We can't we can't say who can live in

[45:28] [clears throat] the house. >> Oh, understood. But but as long as

[45:32] students are in that area, they're closer to campus, they're downtown. This

[45:36] is kind of what the talk was when we were going through this master plan. And

[45:41] it just seems like trying to look forward.

[45:45] » We're trying [snorts] to make it look like that. I'm not saying RP is

[45:50] archaic, but it if I understand some of the history of that, there's not too

[45:57] many cities that have an RP type thing

[46:02] or RP zone. Am I correct in saying that [snorts] or incorrect?

[46:06] » Um, I mean,

[46:12] » I don't know. It's such it it is a unique type of district um to allow the

[46:18] residential and professional. So to allow

[46:23] minor businesses and residential uses um most zoning districts would be

[46:31] classified more as a a like a neighborhood mixed use like a small

[46:37] scale mixeduse type district but >> like a medium density or something like

[46:42] that. Yeah. Um, [clears throat] but as far as like how

[46:48] many other places have RP district, like something similar to ours,

[46:55] » it's very detailed. >> Yeah. [snorts]

[46:57] » On what you can do like >> in the RP district. It was definitely

[47:02] written for purpose when they did it. >> Yeah.

[47:09] » Okay. I mean, that's that's that's been my

[47:12] thinking the last few years of what we're trying to do in the future and how

[47:17] things are happening. And, you know, I think the city's going to look at that

[47:21] probably in my opinion. I could be wrong and I don't want to speak for anybody

[47:25] else except for myself. Um, so

[47:32] [snorts] going through the standards,

[47:37] the property could not be reasonably used for the purpose permitted in that

[47:41] zone. There wasn't anything in here for us.

[47:46] Um, now listening to him, I could see why.

[47:50] The place was pretty well run down against the property was previously

[47:56] conforming. I didn't quite understand this property was previously conforming

[48:00] and can continue to be used as a single family home either as a rental or owner

[48:06] occupied rental with one person >> or a single family

[48:10] » single family. Okay, I get it.

[48:17] So I can understand, you know, like I say, if that was

[48:22] in really bad shape. Number two, that the appeal results from

[48:26] the unique circumstances peculiar to the property and not from general

[48:30] neighborhood conditions. When looking at nearby property uses, it's

[48:34] understandable that one would think that they could use it. I look at the map, it

[48:38] says there's a lot of rental going on in that area.

[48:43] » It does. Zoning applies to all properties in the neighborhood and it is

[48:46] the buyer's responsibility to check the zoning.

[48:50] That's true.

[48:54] But they were also given some information

[48:58] that might have been that they thought was okay until it wasn't

[49:01] » right. Yeah. You'd think with your realtor that they would know what

[49:04] they're talking about in their area. >> Well, that's what I kind of feel about

[49:08] these real estate people are just >> Yeah.

[49:10] » want a quick buck. I hate to say it that way. And they're not informing all these

[49:14] buyers coming to the city saying, "Hey, this is in XYZ zone. You better check it

[49:19] out. What is your intentions?" >> Right.

[49:21] » Yeah. Yeah, >> you know that kind of thing.

[49:22] » Well, I was a landlord for a year and a half when I sold my house and we rented

[49:27] it out and there are really nice landlords around here.

[49:32] » No, I understand. I mean, I just felt bad that the seller

[49:35] [clears throat and snorts] >> was informed them

[49:41] here. [clears throat] They were been reported from represent.

[49:45] » Well, that's what I'm saying. Yeah, exactly.

[49:48] » So, anyway, that's that's sidear >> our issue. Um the use requested by the

[49:53] variance would not alter the basic character of the area. Uh many of the

[49:57] surrounding surrounding properties are already un unrelated occupant rentals.

[50:05] Um wouldn't all Yeah, I don't think it would also basically it sounds like they

[50:08] fix it. I drove by it. It looks really good. I'd live there.

[50:13] » I mean I went in the front and the back and it was in really good shape. It may

[50:20] be available in a few years. [laughter] >> Likely will be.

[50:24] » Son's always looking for a place. >> Otherwise, [clears throat] it would have

[50:28] been condemned in the future. It was >> okay. Well, against the attempt for

[50:33] creation of the RP zone when created was limited unrelated document dwellings in

[50:38] the area and encouraged the shift to single family dwellings. if that was

[50:43] essentially the intent. Has time gone by and enough things change that sometimes

[50:50] change is good?

[50:54] » I mean, it could have been zoned R1 to begin with one, but it wasn't.

[51:01] » And the alleged hardship had not been created by any persons presently having

[51:07] interest in the property. Well, I guess they should have been

[51:12] consulted or or looked into a little deeper.

[51:19] Um, but again, given other information,

[51:26] any questions on that or anything like No questions on this.

[51:34] And then the recommendation from the staff was, which I kind of circled up,

[51:39] staff cannot recommend outright approval.

[51:43] Words mean something. So if you read anything into it, they couldn't

[51:46] recommend outright approval. They didn't say no approval.

[51:49] » They just said outright approval, >> right?

[51:52] » Um, which gives us three things. We can approve it. We can approve it with

[51:56] conditions. And we can deny it. My thought was if we

[52:02] approve with conditions before I heard that the parking lot was already fixed

[52:08] up that we had to make sure that the parking lot

[52:12] had four spots. >> Right. Well, my other thing too would be

[52:17] that make sure it was rental inspected that it was conforming to the city's

[52:23] rental.

[52:29] That was my question. That was >> you know that it was everything passed

[52:32] » and everything passed. Yes. Yeah. >> So, it's like

[52:36] one through 10 checks off but then Oh, man. Just forgot to really dig deeper.

[52:43] » It's like nine out of 10. >> Yeah.

[52:48] Y we're ready for [snorts] a motion. >> We have to read the American what what

[52:53] we want to do. >> Um

[52:57] » so when you go back and look at the other thing uh these these four bullet

[53:01] points ensure that the public services and facilities affect is if we had any

[53:07] kind of uh um conditions are put to it. We have to

[53:11] ensure that the public services facil facilities affected by the proposal land

[53:16] use or activity will be capable of accommodating increased service and

[53:20] facility loads caused by the land use or activity. They're asking for four people

[53:25] to be there. It looks like they did that by increasing the parking or making sure

[53:32] that four people can park there. Says protect the natural environment and

[53:37] conserve natural resources and energy. Sounds like they upgraded everything and

[53:43] did the property and made that look really good. So, it's protecting the

[53:49] natural environment,

[53:53] ensure cap uh compatibility with adjacent use of the land.

[53:59] They're all rentals and some of them look pretty good, too.

[54:03] I mean, actually, a lot of them look pretty good in that area. So, it sounds

[54:06] like that area is trying to keep things Yeah.

[54:10] » Shape

[54:14] promote the use of land in a socially and economically desirable manner.

[54:19] Well, income to the city. People are walking.

[54:25] People are in that area. We're going to get four people that are going to walk

[54:27] downtown and buy stuff. That's got to help the economics a

[54:32] little bit. You say it's only three people or four people. Multiply that by

[54:37] how many other people there are >> that's going to be doing the same thing

[54:42] [clears throat and cough] especially this time of year. [snorts]

[54:46] » So I can't you know you were mentioning you were mentioning approval with

[54:52] conditions of not jing it up. >> Well I just want to that my only concern

[54:58] » want to open the door for somebody to come and just butcher it.

[55:01] » Somebody else would have to come in and >> I'm fine with it. for that.

[55:08] » Let's make a motion. >> Do I Jeff?

[55:11] » I motion pass it for four unrelated people the way it is.

[55:17] » I'll second. I'll second it. >> Okay. So, this is where this is where it

[55:20] is. The motion approves the application. I move that the use variance application

[55:24] for 318 Ives Avenue 7-14-132-013 be approved to allow four unrelated

[55:31] tenants. The application meets the standards set section 13.5

[55:35] and 13.7 of the zoning ordinance. That's the motion.

[55:42] » Yes. >> Yes.

[55:44] » There was a motion. There was a second. >> Yes.

[55:48] » Lumpy. >> Yes.

[55:49] » Einstrom. >> Yes.

[55:50] » Walton. >> Yes.

[55:52] » Nicholas. [cough] >> Yes. [clears throat]

[55:54] » Yes. >> Passes.

[55:56] » Passes. >> Good. Thank you.

[55:58] » Thank you. Thank you.

[56:02] » So, I'll have Craig probably it won't be tomorrow, but um probably get in touch

[56:07] with you guys next week. >> I know we're not done yet.

[56:10] » Thank you, Michelle. >> You're welcome.

[56:17] » Michelle, >> is there any other thing going on that

[56:19] anybody >> funny backtory to this

[56:21] » only if you guys have question >> is there Mark to stay and teach about

[56:27] [laughter] >> Yeah. I'd really love.

[56:31] » Is there going to be like a informative >> card too cuz we're going to be neighbors

[56:34] master plan or >> sure your boy could take care.

[56:37] [laughter] >> Well, all your rentals look great.

[56:40] » Oh, your rentals look great. You've updated me so nicely.

[56:44] » I'm still trying to do some business. So, if you want to talk that way,

[56:47] » appreciate it. Thank you very much. >> Thank you very much. You're welcome. So,

[56:50] I can kind of give you a rundown on some of the stuff in we've been talking about

[56:56] in the new zoning ordinance or like where we're at in the process. Um, if we

[57:02] don't have a case next month, I might bring the section to the of from the for

[57:07] the ZBA, like the section of the ordinance for the ZBA for you guys to

[57:11] review. Our planning commission has already reviewed it. Um, and that was

[57:15] one of their suggestions and I kind of forgot about it until tonight's meeting.

[57:20] So, um, we I can do that if you guys want to have a meeting next month and I

[57:24] can I'll email you out what we have as a final draft right now for the section on

[57:29] the ZBA for you guys. >> So, like a working review type thing.

[57:33] There's nothing on the dock in terms of >> not that I have filed yet. So, and they

[57:38] still have there's like two weeks left before someone has to file. So,

[57:43] » and nothing we would vote on. >> Not right now. on

[57:48] » if you to review the zoning ordinance or to review the section on the ZVA. It's

[57:53] nothing you have to vote on. It's just, you know, this is going to be the

[57:57] section that applies to how this board operates and what it's looking at and

[58:03] what it's reviewing. >> I think it's good to do that.

[58:06] » So, >> well, I'd like to do that. I'd like to

[58:07] know. I mean, >> yeah, it's it's going to affect you. So,

[58:10] that would be a good spot to give. You're saying you just want to do a

[58:14] meeting next month regardless of if it the next two weeks somebody comes in

[58:17] there might be something to do but we're going to have the meeting regardless so

[58:20] we can go over that. >> Y

[58:23] um otherwise >> a month

[58:25] » can we push well >> that's going to work for me to be here

[58:29] » make it a different day. I can make it a different day because it's we don't get

[58:33] another filing, which I don't >> I don't know of anything coming down the

[58:38] pike. And usually I have a decent idea of what's coming, but I don't know of

[58:42] anything right now. Um so if we get if we don't get another filing, I can pick

[58:49] like we can work on a different day um or a different week because it's just a

[58:55] work session for you guys. It's not a public hearing.

[58:58] » That's what I'm looking at. So otherwise for our zoning ordinance, we

[59:04] » much better >> are cruising [clears throat]

[59:06] through starting to gain some really good momentum. Um and how we're doing it

[59:13] is the steering committee for the zoning ordinance is meeting once a month and

[59:20] going through a couple sections or a section depending on how big they are

[59:24] every month. And then we have started taking the sections the steering

[59:30] committee has completed and taking them piece by piece to the planning

[59:33] commission so that the planning commission isn't going to get a 300page

[59:37] document and have to review it all at once. So

[59:41] » we're probably about halfway to 3/4 of the way through with the planning

[59:47] commission. Um, our goal is to have it wrapped up by December and hopefully

[59:54] adopted in December, maybe January. It's going to get kind of just depends how

[1:00:00] things go. >> There doesn't have to be any more

[1:00:02] public. >> There doesn't have to be any more public

[1:00:05] input sessions, but we do have to have a public hearing on it.

[1:00:09] » Got. >> So, the planning commission will hold a

[1:00:12] public hearing. Um, I haven't decided yet or we haven't decided yet if we want

[1:00:18] to do like an openhouse to give people an opportunity to look at some of the

[1:00:24] language that, you know, everyone's interested in how it affects them. Um,

[1:00:30] and so to look at, you know, some of that language or if we just do it at a

[1:00:35] public hearing, I'll probably lean on my planning

[1:00:39] commission on how they want to handle that and city commission. Um, so that's

[1:00:44] where we're at. We're hoping to have a new ordinance next year.

[1:00:48] » That's good. That's good because I'm I don't want to keep on saying, "Hey,

[1:00:53] there's this coming. There's this coming." [laughter]

[1:00:56] I'm trying not to I'm trying >> It's a It's a long process. They put in

[1:01:00] a lot of meetings and it's very tedious >> meetings. When I looked at when we did

[1:01:06] it, that was all that was like three years ago.

[1:01:08] » Yeah. um >> the committee.

[1:01:10] » They've made a lot of changes that one bring our ordinance more up to date with

[1:01:16] new kind of things that are going on >> and also made some changes to um make

[1:01:23] sure we're following adopted laws. Um cuz a lot of our ordinance was

[1:01:29] peacemealed over the years, which is not like a dig. All ordinances are that way.

[1:01:35] It just happens, >> you know, 100 years. Yeah. And so, you

[1:01:39] know, getting all that cleaned up into, you know, new processes that are

[1:01:44] following the w the more modern ways of doing it is going to be helpful.

[1:01:50] » Okay. >> Right.

[1:01:51] » Um, due to Wendy's schedule, um, do you have

[1:01:54] » just next month? Yeah, >> just next month, September 23rd open,

[1:01:58] Michelle, >> let me look. It's a Wednesday.

[1:02:01] » Better double check here. >> Can I help you? Do you have it open? too

[1:02:06] much. She has somewhere else to be on Thursday. So she

[1:02:08] » on that day >> on that day on the 24th.

[1:02:12] » So to be included Yeah. to be included in it.

[1:02:15] » Wednesday, September 23rd will not work for me.

[1:02:18] » Would not work for you. >> Wednesdays aren't good for me in

[1:02:20] September. >> What about um

[1:02:23] » Sorry. >> Okay. That's why we're

[1:02:27] » um Do you have October 1st? Is that too late, Michelle? October. the next

[1:02:32] Thursday after. >> No, as long as it's early October.

[1:02:35] » Everything is pink. >> Or do you would you rather do the 17th?

[1:02:37] » That's a Thursday. Do you have that open Wendy?

[1:02:42] » The 17th. >> Um,

[1:02:44] » the week before September. >> What time? Um,

[1:02:51] » are we talking in the evening? >> So, I've been holding my planning

[1:02:54] commission work sessions at 5:30. >> So, it would be in the evening. Yeah.

[1:03:01] You okay that day? >> I'm retired. I'm good for

[1:03:04] » Yeah, I'm good, too. I just I was making sure Wendy can attend.

[1:03:06] » Does the 5:30 work for everyone? It just then you get in and out. It will only

[1:03:12] » Are you good, Jeff, with that? >> I can't imagine it's going to take

[1:03:14] forever. >> No, I think and I'll send it to you

[1:03:17] beforehand, so it's not like you won't have you'll have won't have it blind. Um

[1:03:22] » I think it's like >> Thursday the 17th at 5:30.

[1:03:26] » Okay, how that works. Um, >> no.

[1:03:29] » It takes it will take us maybe a half an hour if that.

[1:03:33] » Okay. >> Say October 17th.

[1:03:35] » No, September. >> September. Okay.

[1:03:38] » I might meant September. >> Thank you.

[1:03:42] » Thank you all for working around. It's

[1:03:48] » November's here. It be a lot easier. >> I can't think of anything else. Is that

[1:03:52] it? >> That's all I've got.

[1:03:54] » Okay. >> Okay.

[1:03:56] » Ajourn. >> All right. Thank you. [clears throat]

[1:03:59] » Y

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