[0:50] the 8 River Road, Fair Haven, New Jersey. Public participation for this

[0:54] regular council meeting of August 17, 2026 is available by call and phone

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[1:03] until there's time for questions or comments which will be announced. At

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[1:12] appropriate time. Notice of this meeting was included in the schedule of meetings

[1:16] which was adopted by resolution number 2026-13

[1:19] and sent to the Aspberry Park Press in the Two River Times on January 12th,

[1:23] 2026, posted on the Burough website, the Bolton Bo Municipal Building, and has

[1:28] remained continuously posted as required under the statute. With adequate notice

[1:31] having been given, the B clerk is directed to include this statement in

[1:34] the minutes of this meeting. Alison, may I please have a roll call?

[1:37] » Council members call here. >> Yes, here.

[1:41] » Griffin >> here. Miy

[1:44] » here. >> Olson

[1:45] » here. >> We have administrator. Attorney

[1:49] is by Zoom. Um, Director Portinsky, BJ Ber is by Zoom.

[1:56] And Lieutenant Dexter. >> Okay. Uh, jumping right into it. We have

[2:02] an workshop session on our Eagle Scout project carried from last month. Uh

[2:07] Sigret Vindas is on Zoom. >> Yeah,

[2:12] » this is for the concession stand snack chat rebank.

[2:18] » Hello. >> Hi. How are you?

[2:21] » Hi. Good, thank you. >> All right. Thanks for joining us. Um,

[2:26] usually, uh, when we have a Eagle Scout project, uh, the potential Eagle Scout

[2:33] takes us through the project itself, tells us a little bit about, um,

[2:39] what they're doing with it, and then we ask, you know, sometimes there's some

[2:42] questions from some council people that we uh, we ask at the end. Um, so that's

[2:49] usually how we do it. Do you have something prepared to present us or

[2:54] Um, I do have a slideshow that I had. I just need to pull it up. Sorry.

[3:02] » Sorry. Is that going to show?

[3:07] » She can share screen. Um, let's see. >> Um, do you guys have papers? Because I

[3:12] think that I've been I've shared with different people. Um, I don't know if

[3:18] you guys have any, but I >> think we had it last meeting though. I'm

[3:21] not sure. It's in our packet now.

[3:32] » Okay, we have I think we have a a binder here, which looks probably more

[3:38] substantial than your um slideshow even is.

[3:45] » You have one too? >> Yeah. Yeah. So, why don't you put this

[3:48] down here between you two and then

[3:55] » Okay. How about this? Why don't we start off while you while you're doing that?

[3:58] Why don't you tell us a little bit in general what you're doing to the snack

[4:02] shack and um give us a time frame.

[4:08] We start there.

[4:23] Oh, sorry. Can you hear me? >> Yes.

[4:26] » Okay. Sorry about that. So, I was hoping to renovate the snack shack at Fairbin

[4:31] Fields because um I have been a volunteer there for a long time. My mom

[4:37] volunteered there all like as I was growing up. So, I got to see kind of and

[4:43] I know the parts that work best and the things that don't work as well. So, I

[4:48] was thinking there are different aspects. I don't know if you guys should

[4:51] have pictures in the binder with you. >> Yeah.

[4:55] » Um that depict different parts. So, one of them, the biggest part that I would

[5:02] need the most approval on would be painting the floor. Um, the floor has

[5:07] seen lots of wear and tear through the years and I was thinking that that could

[5:11] be a good really big refresh for the whole space.

[5:16] And besides that, it's more not necessarily maintenance, but kind of

[5:23] smaller aspects of the space that just fixing those little bits could really

[5:28] help with the overall like

[5:32] how everything works together and how different volunteers can use the space.

[5:40] So, one of them was there's a coffee station and for example underneath it's

[5:46] a little bit untidy and I was thinking that maybe if we even just organizing

[5:50] that small space could really help um sorry I'm not finding the words

[5:58] but could really just help the volunteers when they're there and make

[6:02] it run more smoothly. >> It would maximize the efficiency of the

[6:07] operation while working there. said you said you were going to paint the floors.

[6:11] Is that correct? >> Yes, there's a specific paint that

[6:14] should also be in the binder somewhere. Um, a list of supplies that I would

[6:18] need. I talked to a specialist and they said that the best paint for the type of

[6:26] floor that it that it is would be the epoxy paint that is shown in the booklet

[6:32] » with like the DPW. And I spoke with the DPW

[6:37] » and they said that the best course of action would be to first paint remove

[6:45] everything that's removable, which the one thing that can't be removed is the

[6:49] sink and the refrigerator because the refrigerator is really heavy. So to move

[6:53] it out of the doorway on its own is going to be very difficult. So, the plan

[6:58] was paint everything around the refrigerator and then shift the

[7:04] refrigerator over once the paint is dried and paint underneath.

[7:11] » Is Nick here? >> Nick is here. Nick, come up for a

[7:14] second. >> So, um she did meet with uh DPW

[7:19] representatives and Nick um to go over the project ahead of time before

[7:22] bringing it to the council and Nick can share uh some of the observations that

[7:25] he had. Yeah, we we had met at the facility, took a look at the proposed

[7:29] project, proposed improvements. Uh we definitely made some recommendations

[7:33] about the type of paint and the type of flooring uh covering to use and uh you

[7:39] know, we were in support of the the project. Um obviously there's some

[7:43] details regarding logistics and scheduling and phasing and stuff, but uh

[7:47] I think we can work through those with the applicant and uh and come to you

[7:52] know the the appropriate action. what what type what type of support is needed

[7:57] from DPW as far as the project goes? >> Um, I haven't seen the final proposal

[8:02] yet, but uh I think it was basically just uh you know helping coordinate some

[8:06] of the the the relocation of some of the stuff into maybe the garage and um that

[8:11] was basically it. Um it wasn't it wasn't too much of a heavy lift for DPW.

[8:17] » Great.

[8:21] » Yeah. Um sacred. >> Yes. with this this um I love the way

[8:26] you've organized the photos because you can it helps us identify sort of

[8:29] stations and you've taken the time to really do that advanced planning to help

[8:34] you make plans how to organize and how to tackle these sections understanding

[8:39] your approach. >> Um I'm also I have used epoxy paint and

[8:44] a restaurant renovation and it works very well and your plan is good and I'm

[8:48] sure Mr. Kinski's already supported that. I would you say that most of these

[8:55] other than the floor most of these other categories there's eight photos is it

[9:00] mostly organization and hiding and >> well there's also um one of those

[9:05] aspects would be building a first aid shelf. Um, I'm pretty sure that one of

[9:12] the pictures shows it pretty clearly that in the corner near the entry

[9:15] there's a fridge and that is where um the first aid usually just sits there

[9:22] whether it's some of the ice packs that are usually there or just band-aids. And

[9:27] that also happens to be the spot, one of the only like open areas where

[9:31] volunteers can put their bags. So, the plan with that specific corner would be

[9:36] to build a first aid shelf to be able to put the first aid items on and to also

[9:43] attach hooks into the walls for volunteers to be able to have a

[9:48] designated spot to put their bags or coats.

[9:53] » Great.

[9:57] » Um, might have one of them. Is there are there any costs to the burrow for this

[10:03] project? >> No, because since this is an Eagle Scout

[10:05] project, it will all be funded by the funding. Well, I will fund the project

[10:12] by raising money. That's a part of the Eagle Scout project.

[10:17] » Is there anything in the snack shack where like

[10:21] um something used to be in service and it's broken down and it's being ripped

[10:26] out and not replaced? Um,

[10:30] no, I don't believe so. >> I think there was some um some tables

[10:34] and some like appendages to the to the concession area that I guess we can

[10:39] review at some point and see if they're still needed depending on how things are

[10:42] organized. But uh generally speaking the the scope of work was to you know make

[10:47] the make the space more safe uh more user friendly and uh the labor was going

[10:52] to be provided by the scouts as part of their you know as part of the project as

[10:56] well as the equipment and material. So it's it's really just the um uh the

[11:02] scouts presentation as part of their project, the project management side of

[11:06] the project and then ultimately fulfilling the execution as part of the

[11:11] schedule and scope. >> I mean is there has there been any

[11:15] objection to this project? Has any >> No, I do have a question. So it the

[11:21] hooks on the shelf at cinder block I see. Is is is the DPW going to be there

[11:25] to sort of help with the drilling into that because if you it's hard to patch

[11:29] it if you do it wrong. Yeah, I'm not sure um the final layout, but uh we can

[11:36] we can give some recommendations to the to the scout to make sure that they're

[11:41] the appropriate height and using the appropriate, you know, anchor materials

[11:44] so that it's it's not pulling away from the center block or make sure the

[11:48] appropriate location makes sense. >> Yeah. Like not by growers.

[11:51] » Yeah. And no electric or plumbing is being

[11:55] » No, it's uh it's basically just uh I want to say cosmetics, but it's more

[11:59] efficiency and operations type stuff. >> Sure.

[12:04] » Just cigarette. Um I said this last time, but I know you weren't on, but I

[12:08] appreciate all the organizational. I've worked in there a couple times and it

[12:11] was definitely pretty disorganized. So I love what you're doing. The only thing I

[12:15] ask is just that Nick does see the final plan before we move forward and

[12:21] therefore yeah the big stuff. But well done. This was really thorough. So good

[12:25] job. >> Is there a request for signage in there?

[12:29] You know >> signage?

[12:32] » Yeah. >> There should be in the booklet there

[12:34] should be there's a specific page that should say

[12:40] » that's signage for the items like first aid station. I need there's no there's

[12:45] no information regarding Boral >> signals

[12:49] if you're going to put up um signage just basically dedicating the Eagle

[12:54] Scout project just connect with uh Burough Administrator York because

[12:58] there's a standard there. >> Yeah, we I can coordinate that with you.

[13:02] Just um they don't purchase any memorial signage um ahead of time. We can

[13:06] coordinate that together. No, it looks like she found a problem and is offering

[13:10] solutions that are simple and will make everyone's life easier. So, I'm all for

[13:14] it. >> So, we have a motion.

[13:16] » Motion to accept this plan to improve the Eagle Scout.

[13:21] » Thank you, Nick. >> To improve. Thank you, Nick. Improve the

[13:24] snack, the snack check. >> Second. All in favor?

[13:28] » Anyone opposed? >> Congratulations.

[13:32] » Congrats. >> Thank you. Thank you all.

[13:36] Uh, next up we have a request to hold the annual color run on October 17th.

[13:41] » It's going to be November 14th. >> It's now going to be on November 14th.

[13:45] » It was mine. It's picked a long day. Picked up a long day. So,

[13:49] » good. Is that a sat That's a Saturday. >> Yes. I love the color. I think it's

[13:54] pretty fun. >> Great. I support it.

[13:58] » Is it the same people that are running it again this year that did it last

[14:01] year? Lisa by Tally is um has joined us by Zoom. She's handling it. She's taking

[14:07] over. >> You have any questions? Ask for a

[14:11] motion. >> She's Lisa.

[14:14] » Hi. How are you all? >> How are you? I was getting ready to ask

[14:18] for for a vote, but um thank you for putting this together and thank you to

[14:22] the PTA. Uh great cause. Is there anything you want to add in before we

[14:30] » uh No, the event will run similarly to uh years past. So, um nothing really

[14:36] looking to change. We will have a couple vendors. I connected with Allison and DJ

[14:40] about that. Um a couple local vendors, pliables and a um coffee truck that will

[14:47] be stationed at the event and um donating a portion of their sales back

[14:51] to the PTA. So, uh those vendors will be available. Otherwise, just similar to

[14:55] what we've done in the past. It's just a fun run. Uh it's not a full 5K and a DJ

[15:01] and just a fun family day. Are >> you doing all your advertising online?

[15:07] » We are. Yes. I did I did wonder about signage. Um we haven't done it in the

[15:12] past, but if it's a non-issue or if it's an easy enough thing to offer, we you

[15:18] know, of course, we'd love to promote the event as well. But if you if you're

[15:22] thinking about signage, um reach out to the broker, uh Allison. She could take

[15:27] you through the process um to get to get it on agenda. I mean, it's not the uh

[15:33] most difficult uh task, especially if you're looking for temporary signs for a

[15:38] period of time. Um you know, but also if if you're going to advertise online,

[15:43] that's great. And we can support you through the burrow in doing that.

[15:46] » Yep. uh putting it on our um weekly >> very even weekly we uh we can put it in

[15:52] the focus if you if you get it to us in time and we can put it on our social

[15:56] media and the constant contact system. >> Oh, amazing. Thank you so much.

[16:00] Wonderful. >> Just if you want to just email me that

[16:03] information. My email is on the website. I'm the administrator. We can we can get

[16:07] that up. >> Understood. Thank you so much.

[16:10] Do >> I have a motion to

[16:12] » motion to approve Colorado for 2026? >> Second.

[16:15] » All in favor? I. >> Anyone opposed? All right. Thank you.

[16:19] » Thank you all. Have a great evening. >> You too. Uh, next up we have Fair

[16:23] Baseball as a banner request. Fairfield 4. Are you presenting?

[16:29] » I really don't have anything. I was just standing here on board told me to come

[16:34] by and see what happen. So, so tonight we're hearing on there was a request

[16:40] made a few months ago to approve banners that are on Farad Field 4. Um,

[16:48] you know, we we we've been in contact with Fairan Baseball uh on on a

[16:55] uh another solution as well that we we offered to them. We haven't heard back

[17:01] from them positive or negative on that. I think they asked for some more time,

[17:05] but in the meantime, there was the ask to be put on the agenda. Um, so we're

[17:11] not >> the banner up. We're not doing this, but

[17:13] that So, [clears throat] this is obviously a very

[17:18] long story that I don't think we need to go into detail on many months in the

[17:23] making, but the signs that are up right there now on the outfield wall are the

[17:28] signs that Ferry Baseball applied to put out permanent. Those are the those

[17:36] that's what we would be discussing today. What do you mean permanently?

[17:39] » In other words, um, >> I can direct my question to my

[17:43] » for permanent sign placement of a banner that's already up.

[17:48] » Sure. >> During baseball season

[17:50] » and when what and >> on the on the basically what we're

[17:53] asking for is them to be more visible because you can't see them right now.

[17:58] They're all way on the outfield fence. >> We just said my question first. The

[18:01] banner is up. >> Banners are up on the outfield.

[18:04] » Baseball season ends. >> Baseball season's over. That's what I

[18:07] thought. >> Well, actually, no. Well, we have fall.

[18:09] So, fall starts in September. >> Okay.

[18:11] » So, it kind of runs from say March till October, November.

[18:18] » November. >> Yeah. Yeah. March till November.

[18:21] » So, the banners that are up, you want permission to leave them there until

[18:26] October, November. Is that we've >> Right. So right now we have a which is

[18:30] separate from this issue but right now we have an agreement with you for only

[18:33] one field to put our advertising banners to raise money for fairs and baseball in

[18:38] the outfield. Okay. Certain amount. Um we have them out there now. We used to

[18:43] have them for the last two and a half years right on the back stop of the same

[18:49] field. We were asked to take them down this

[18:52] year and move them to the outfield. Then we were asked to take them down from the

[18:57] outfield until this issue was resolved and then

[19:00] we're allowed to put them back up in the outfield again till this issue is

[19:04] resolved further. So tonight I thought what was going to happen was the

[19:08] original banners that we get are just allstar banners for our our all-star

[19:12] teams that win specific um district championships, sectional

[19:18] championships within the state of New Jersey.

[19:21] » More than one banner. >> We have we have a few now. Well, I I

[19:24] know the banners that you stack. >> There's three banners, but different

[19:27] different accomplishments on each one per age group of of the last couple

[19:32] years for our baseball teams. >> This is about three banners.

[19:35] » This is three banners in total right now.

[19:36] » But it could be moving forward more if they win something.

[19:39] » If we keep winning, we we obviously get more banners. These banners are

[19:43] » when we keep winning. >> When we keep winning,

[19:45] » they're g these banners are given to us. We don't make them. They're given to us

[19:49] as in by Little League of America. >> Exactly. So when we this is only when we

[19:54] win little league tournaments. So at the end of every wreck season

[19:58] » you form an all-star team and if your all-star team goes a certain distance

[20:04] » you know you get a but only if you reach certain certain thresholds districts

[20:09] sectionals states regionals and then on to Williamsport in Pennsylvania which is

[20:14] happening right now. >> That's happening now. Right.

[20:15] » Correct. So, you know, it's quite an accomplishment for our little town. But

[20:19] those are the banners that we had right outside the dugout and they had the

[20:24] names of the kids that were on the team. So,

[20:27] » three of those, >> right?

[20:28] » And you'd like permission to leave them up through fall ball, which

[20:33] » during baseball season, they come down in the winter.

[20:36] » I'm going to say November. Is that accurate? Yeah,

[20:38] » it's good to be specific. >> Okay. Thank you, Mike.

[20:41] » Are the kids names all fair? >> No. So, we we have um we're in a little

[20:47] league with five towns because we don't have enough teams to make a little

[20:50] league. If we did, we wouldn't have a little league. So, we have Rumson, Fair

[20:54] Haven, um Shrewsbury, Red Bank, and Little

[20:57] Silver. >> And do all the towns get a banner?

[21:00] » If they win, but the Allstars, when Allstars comes about at the end of our

[21:04] rec, they divide the town. So, it's Rumson and Fair Haven play in an

[21:09] all-star team. Shbury, Red Bank, and Little Silver play in another one.

[21:14] And then the kids play together from those towns on one all-star team and the

[21:19] other team they call it two little two river league east and west

[21:23] » and then they go from there. >> The sign that they give you has the

[21:25] kids' names. >> They have the kids' names.

[21:27] » Mike, do they mostly practice at Fair Haven? Are they practicing also at

[21:30] Rumson? >> Both.

[21:31] » They practice them. >> Does Rumson get one also or just

[21:35] » They do. They just don't put them up. >> It's not that they're not allowed to,

[21:38] it's that they just don't put them. >> Okay.

[21:41] » They don't have a great spot for them. We have a nicer facility where people

[21:44] kind of walk by. So >> So you're asking not to put the signs up

[21:47] where they currently are. That was just sort of a I guess an agreement for the

[21:52] time being, but you're asking to put them back where on the back stop.

[21:56] » Well, well, >> but I think moving forward, I think this

[21:59] is a bigger issue, right? Or the longer term solution or discussion that he's

[22:05] hoping for because it was a temporary solution to have them moved and but in

[22:08] the outfield, >> correct? So, we're looking to find out

[22:12] if they win again, what's going to happen? Like what's the what what is our

[22:17] plan moving forward? Like what's the >> Yeah. So, the tonight they told me to

[22:21] come here because I had been involved in this from the beginning. I thought that

[22:24] what Joe had explained to me which is the Joe Grogan who's the president of

[22:28] Fair Haven Baseball now. He had said you were going to vote on tonight. I thought

[22:33] the banners that we were given um our championship banner that we were given

[22:37] from Little League, you either going to vote on those to accept them or not. And

[22:41] if not, you had an iteration of your own that you were going to present and then

[22:46] I was going to bring that back to Fair Haven and see what they want to do.

[22:49] » So I I can talk on that. That's mainly correct except for the point of it's

[22:54] hard for us to vote on something that wasn't really um accepted by Fair

[22:59] Baseball, right? So they're not going to push or sign on you,

[23:02] » right? So that that's what they were saying. I guess it was the initial vote

[23:05] on the original signs. If that's a no, then they have to talk to that and then

[23:10] talk to baseball. >> I wanted to put this on the agenda, but

[23:13] we didn't hear back from Fairman baseball. Um, you know, I heard it was a

[23:17] divided response to it. >> Oh, okay.

[23:19] » So that's the feedback that we got. So I said, well, it's a divided response. I

[23:24] made um it clear that I was going to put the original application which was for

[23:29] the current signs on the agenda um for us to make a decision. Now listen, we

[23:35] could extend the temporary signs. We can vote to enforce the

[23:40] current ordinance which is they're not approved right now. We can approve for

[23:43] the signs instead. We could take a few different turns on this issue. Um you

[23:48] know the only everything you said I agree. The only question I had is I was

[23:52] under the impression Rumson doesn't allow signs.

[23:54] » They do not allow signs. >> Yeah. Rums does not allow signs.

[23:57] » I don't think it's a matter of them just not putting it up. They don't allow

[24:00] signs at all. Um just just for the uh for the discussion because

[24:07] um you know we talked about the scout signage earlier tonight as well with

[24:12] cigarette. Um I don't know Allison if you want to put it up on the screen. Can

[24:16] you? So, we we thought this was a good

[24:20] solution. We're willing um you know, obviously we need we would need approval

[24:24] from everyone and we would need approval appro approval from Fairman Baseball on

[24:30] the final design as well, but this we thought did a very good job celebrating

[24:34] the team accomplishments. Um and that's what we saw it as a team

[24:40] accomplishment and uh can I talk a little bit about the team? I want to be

[24:44] clear sort of where I stand. So, thank you for volunteering and sharing

[24:49] doing what you do for the kids. So, I love the idea of celebrating a team. Um,

[24:55] I think back to my alma mater and I think about the championship the year

[24:59] kind of that's it. Um, I don't love kids names. Um, for a couple of reasons. The

[25:06] primary one is when you say it's an all-star team, there's kids who Romson

[25:10] that means that some kids who didn't make the team and a Rumson kids name.

[25:14] It's sort of I don't want to I don't want to cause a parent to

[25:19] » which was the original complaint. >> That was the original complaint. Yeah.

[25:22] So that that's where I'm going. Um it's obviously telling their kid, but I would

[25:28] be I would be most comfortable with just like celebrate the team. I think that's

[25:32] simplest to avoid all that noise. Um whether it's there or perceived or gets

[25:38] to us or not. I think that's the cleanest um celebration team. That's

[25:43] that's my I want to be totally open with you.

[25:45] » Okay. >> I also one one other thing I I throw

[25:48] which I was about to go to is um when there were signs existing for the scouts

[25:52] that were up and we came up with the new design obviously we'd have to talk to

[25:57] the finance committee and burough admin and CFO but the bureau was willing to

[26:01] pick up the cost to replace those signs with the new version um just so it

[26:07] wasn't an expense for fairs and baseball. um you know we can't do that

[26:13] allowed I'll I'll write a check for for that myself

[26:17] » replace it. >> Yeah. So I listen I I think this is

[26:22] starting and uh Councilman Cole has brought up and I think it's something we

[26:26] do need to visit a signed standard. I think this would be sort of a step in

[26:30] the right direction and it would give the the kids because I heard that from

[26:34] some of the parents that you know the kids would suffer. We give them the

[26:38] opportunity to always come back and see that banner still on that outfield

[26:41] fence. Um and we make it big enough obviously with writing like this because

[26:46] you can see um if you go see you know Loop and all these you can see that

[26:50] [clears throat] they write their names big and I think you would even admit

[26:54] right now it's not doing justice for those banners on the outfield fence. You

[26:57] can't really read what's out there. >> A design like this we think will

[27:01] » Yeah. Like like I said again, it's really going to be something that the

[27:06] board has to bring to the baseball parents. Again, they're the ones that

[27:09] are going to decide this. I'm kind of just in between because I've been here

[27:12] since day one dealing with it. >> Um

[27:15] the only thing Well, so just one one thing you have to consider if you're if

[27:19] you're talking about picking up the tab for this,

[27:23] » it might be something you have to pay for an additional one every year.

[27:27] » Yeah. >> So

[27:29] you guys are pretty confident in your which I love.

[27:32] » Well, this is this is the thing because it doesn't cost Fair Haven Baseball a

[27:34] dime now. They give >> you understand

[27:38] that inject. >> Well, can I can I just say one more

[27:43] thing? So, this this one was put together for the for the I was under the

[27:49] impression that one of the banners was a little bit more

[27:53] » accomplishing away from what the other

[27:56] » This is definitely the one we got the most push back. So, something that we

[27:59] sort of discussed maybe for the second banner was the same sort of look, but it

[28:03] would say, and I I don't know what the actual championship was for the other

[28:07] two, but it would it would look like that and then instead of having its own

[28:12] banner, it would say 2024 9U, you know, diamonds white or what

[28:18] whatever it is. um 2023 and sort of like you see in the high school where if you

[28:24] see short conference tournament champions 1984, 1987, 1989 um obviously

[28:31] we'd have to find out from our sign vendor how we accomplish that but that

[28:34] might be a way to do it where you're just adding

[28:38] block lettering and quite truthfully I mean if someone wins the big one I'm I'm

[28:42] sure um we'll find a way to get another >> Yeah. I mean, if you think that this is

[28:46] something that could be an added to sign where you cuz we wouldn't want you guys

[28:51] to remake a sign every year. And again, as long as as long as Fair Haven

[28:55] Baseball and the the parents and the baseball parents are are okay with it

[28:59] and then you guys can come to an agreement, that's what the the message

[29:02] I'll relay. >> The only thing I'll say is the messaging

[29:04] I got was these accomplishments were so extremely amazing.

[29:09] » It's a big deal. >> I hear that.

[29:11] » We didn't win one this year. >> Doesn't happen all of a sudden. you

[29:14] know. So, I I don't think we're talking about an expense that's going to be so

[29:18] great. And quite truthfully, like we paid for the scouts to replace them.

[29:24] We're not paying for them going forward. That's a discussion I think we we'd have

[29:27] to have. Yep. >> Okay. So, that's something that's got to

[29:30] be >> um you you said there's three signs

[29:36] » right now. Yeah. >> And uh what was for first year?

[29:39] » 2024. >> So, it's 2023. I'm sorry. 23, 24, and

[29:45] 25. >> You have 23, 24, and 25. How long do you

[29:49] normally uh keep put them up every year?

[29:53] » We We put them up in March before the parade.

[29:55] » No, I mean, how many years do you >> want them up?

[29:59] » Would you want the signs up? >> I mean, if you again,

[30:03] » okay, >> I've talked to Shane over in Rumson. He

[30:06] told me something different than what Chris just told me. Now,

[30:10] whatever. It is what it is. I can't speak for Rumson. That's what I've been

[30:13] told. He's on the board with me at True River.

[30:17] » So, True River Little League, I'm on the board with him. So, but I know that

[30:20] Shrezberry has all their banners up. Little Silver does the same thing. Okay.

[30:25] Red Bank would they don't have as many Crumbs in his whatever they are. But it

[30:32] it's it's something that if you go to other baseball fields, they have these

[30:36] banners that they all they put them up all along their fences all the time. I

[30:42] don't know what the relationship with their town is and and what the rules

[30:45] are. It's all different, right? Every town is different, but I mean, anybody

[30:49] who's been in baseball and and >> can

[30:52] » So's been in baseball, you can go to some of these facilities and you'll see

[30:55] they have a different way of doing it. Some actually have very neat and tidy

[30:59] placards when you walk into their municipal complex. So, it will swing,

[31:02] you know, >> but they just have like stuff that's

[31:06] just on one placer or you can just kind of take those little

[31:09] » kind of like your your your names on your desk there. They come in and out.

[31:13] They slide in, slide out. There's many options you can do.

[31:17] » Can I ask you, you mentioned um that you want you would have to go back and talk

[31:21] to the Fair Haven parents about the proposed change. I I'm just going to go

[31:26] back to the board and tell them what we were talked about here and then they

[31:30] would have to if you're taking a vote on the original science today. I don't know

[31:33] if you're doing that but I have to basically report back to what your ideas

[31:36] are. >> My question is do you consult other

[31:38] Robson parents also because some of their kids are on that team right?

[31:42] » They have their own banners. They have the same banners that our kids were.

[31:46] they just don't put them up on their feet. So,

[31:50] » so and and one thing I'd say is, you know,

[31:56] I don't agree with personally I don't agree with R. I think that's too far for

[32:00] the one side. I saw a Facebook post that came on my your feed or whatever it is

[32:06] for Tin Falls yesterday. I guess they got some gray money. I want to find out

[32:10] where that gray money came from, >> but to redo one of their fields. And in

[32:14] the picture, they have similar signs like we do in the outfield fence. But if

[32:20] you remember when you guys first came in, you asked for a certain amount. I

[32:22] think we minimized the amount. If you asked for 24, we said, "Now we'll give

[32:26] you 16." It was something like >> it was an agreement that we reuped. It

[32:30] was 32 and you guys went down to >> we went down. Now Tinf Falls, you could

[32:33] look at these and I'll try and find them and send them to you. Um, you look at

[32:37] these posts, sign after sign after sign after sign. And personally, I thought

[32:42] that's way too far on the other side. >> Yeah, I've seen it. I didn't feel

[32:45] » I like how we're kind of balancing this and trying to find, you know, the right

[32:50] aesthetic for our town. Recognize the kids without also inconveniencing

[32:56] residents that are playing as well and might not feel the same way that, you

[33:00] know, some other people do. I think this would be a a thoughtful solution.

[33:05] Doesn't have to be exactly like that. That's I think why we asked for some

[33:09] feedback from Fair Baseball as well. Um but that's that I that's kind of where I

[33:14] stand. I I listen I have no problem personally um

[33:19] if if the governing body wants to keep those temporary signs up until like the

[33:23] next meeting when we get a little feedback that's fine. But I I don't see

[33:28] the current signs as the long-term solution for the field. I just can I

[33:33] just just one thing and I don't want to open up a canop because because I've

[33:38] been doing this and started this whole science thing beginning. I just want

[33:42] there are some inconsistencies in town that we the burough the the board would

[33:46] just very much like to clear up. I'm sure Chris can probably speak to this

[33:49] too. when we see agreements being made with like RFH with

[33:55] interlocals, okay, and these are non- taxpaying people in our town and you

[34:01] have a a a group of of board members in our town who are taxpayers who all the

[34:08] baseball parents are taxpayers and we do the majority of the the majority I don't

[34:14] want anybody to get mad as but say we do 50% of the work to maintain our own

[34:19] fields Okay. And RFH can come in and they hang

[34:24] banners. They hang pictures of the kids with

[34:28] their names all over the tennis courts. And they can do seems like they can do

[34:34] more to our tennis courts that they don't own because of an agreement that

[34:38] was signed than we can do to our own baseball fields which we maintain. Pay a

[34:43] ton of money for room. do whatever else you guys want to want us to want to call

[34:49] it, we do it. >> So, I can address that. Okay. Um,

[34:54] » so your baseball banners, whatever

[34:57] approved, they were up for two and a half years. Tennis banners go up for two

[35:01] or three weeks a year. Um, I would say that all of our taxpayers are paying

[35:05] taxes into the RFA schools. We do have an interlocal agreement that gives them

[35:11] the uh authority to put those up. Um as part of that agreement um they funded is

[35:18] it half >> they they fund they fund half of the um

[35:22] any of the improvements to the um tennis sports and they also do that 10 months

[35:26] worth of maintenance to it. >> So I personally like I I thought of the

[35:30] other side. >> So we do all those things too.

[35:33] » Yeah. >> Yeah.

[35:34] » All of them. >> Sure.

[35:35] » So why should we not have the same rights?

[35:38] » I hear what you're saying. Like I I hear what everyone's saying.

[35:41] » That's the argument. That's that's one of the biggest sticking points of this.

[35:44] » That's why I think there should be bigger conversation. I agree with the

[35:47] interlocal. I also kind of go back to the sign standard. I feel like

[35:51] » I think this is pretty and nice, but are we trying to just make everything

[35:55] completely conforming and then but we are allowing like we're not going to

[36:00] talk to them to RFH about the tennis signs. Like where where are we stopping?

[36:05] Like I just I feel like we're really inconsistent. We're like picking on the

[36:08] Eagle Scouts and we're picking on these guys. We're trying we're trying to be

[36:11] consistent. And my answer where I was about to go was I was trying to think of

[36:16] a single other sign in town that is brought in

[36:23] and it becomes a permanent sign in our town. The only other one I could think

[36:27] of was the baseball signs in the outfield with the advertisement signs.

[36:31] We have obviously Derma Dreams comes in and Farmers Market comes in. They're

[36:35] asking for signs for temporary amounts of time. This this this is the tennis

[36:43] team puts up signs for a temporary amount of time. Um these signs are up

[36:48] always. They're, you know, they're up on the fence. They're becoming a permanent

[36:53] part of uh the beauty of our land and and to and by ordinance

[36:59] » they are supposed to be approved. You know,

[37:02] » I agree with the approving. I actually think that there's a solution here

[37:06] because there's so much goodwill where everyone's trying

[37:09] » there's definitely a solution >> fine.

[37:11] » Yeah. >> And um

[37:14] many times I've been in this position before and one of the typical responses

[37:18] is to undertake a design guideline, >> you know, a revision of the ordinances

[37:23] that allow certain things and then there's planners and designers that can

[37:27] help you develop those guidelines. So it doesn't require a trip to council.

[37:32] there's a manual and standards that set forth and can be administered by the

[37:35] staff. I think a lot of us want to talk about doing that because we see the pain

[37:42] point with the volunteers and our residents. We feel the pain point here.

[37:46] I can identify with some of the things you're saying. I think all of us really

[37:50] can. Um but we still have to think about the community as a whole. Um, and that's

[37:58] and that's a lot to tackle on a one one night while we're here. So, we're sort

[38:03] of reaching for solutions. >> No, 100%. I agree. I agree completely.

[38:07] And listen, if this is this was finished and then I'm sorry,

[38:10] » it's evidence that like our house is not totally in order because we're trying to

[38:14] figure it out on the fly when there's an application. But I I I do know that at

[38:18] least a bunch of us want to be able to talk about taking that step to sort of

[38:22] get it figured out so that it doesn't require this complex trick of having

[38:27] » I I agree. I agree. And listen, it I think there is a solution here. There's

[38:32] there's not a demand. I mean, I I thought again you guys were just going

[38:36] to vote on whether the original signs were even going to be considered. If

[38:40] not, that was the plan. I had talked to Joe today. We got to go back and then

[38:43] I'm sure you guys can come to some sort of an agreement. I'm sure something

[38:47] » would love to hear from baseball like this because if it works for if it works

[38:51] and it it's there through then it's all >> we don't we don't want to vote on this

[38:56] and say no and then you walk away like they're not looking to celebrate what

[39:00] was a really meaningful accomplishment. >> No, I think they knew that.

[39:03] » That's why I brought it up tonight though.

[39:05] » Yeah. No, no, they they knew that because Joe texted me that today that

[39:09] what he said was they were going to vote on the original signs whether it was yes

[39:13] or no. And then this was I hadn't seen this but they had mocked something up

[39:18] which is fine. Listen to the reality is it's probably the baseball moms who are

[39:23] going to have the most input on any of this stuff. That's 100%

[39:26] » to hear from them. >> Yes. You have to think of the

[39:30] conversation. >> Listen, you don't they're the ones that

[39:33] stir the shift. Andrew knows it. I know it. Anybody who's coaches or does

[39:37] anything on the board, they run everything from behind the scenes. Can I

[39:42] ask you, are you are you looking just at Fair Haven 4? You're not looking at any

[39:47] of the other >> That's it.

[39:49] » You're just focusing on the four. >> Yeah, that's it. That's the only one we

[39:53] even had an agreement to hang the the uh the fundraising manners on.

[39:58] Do we have a um a to-do in front of us where we need to get through the

[40:02] existing signs for some period of time? >> After we

[40:07] remember we were arguing how long the period whether it was going to be three

[40:11] years or one year. Do you remember what we settled?

[40:14] » I want >> I just think it was to renew it every

[40:17] year. >> Are you talking about the alphab?

[40:24] So, this is it's a separate this is sort of like do we I think the idea tonight

[40:29] is do we keep them up there until we have more of a discussion on this?

[40:32] » That's that's up to the governing body. I

[40:35] » will say yes. >> Say yes.

[40:37] » They have to come down in October no matter we take them down. We have to

[40:41] because they'll get destroyed in the winter. All of them.

[40:44] » They all as I'm listening this I I was an athlete. I hope my kids to be

[40:48] athletes and I know that seeing that banner how profound it is for a young

[40:54] » uh child. So, this is my first time seeing this. I actually I do think it

[40:58] looks great, but I know I definitely want to hear their perspectives from the

[41:03] board. >> Um, but as I'm listening, I'm just

[41:05] thinking of trying to find solutions. Uh, have you ever the Knights of

[41:10] Columbus, would they hang those banners in the winter in there

[41:13] » inside? >> Inside

[41:15] » maybe. And maybe that could be a spot for those specific banners and then the

[41:19] town could put this on the outfield. Just food for thought.

[41:23] » Yeah, 100%. I never asked them about that, but maybe. Maybe.

[41:27] » Would it would it be possible for us to approve those banners through this

[41:32] October >> and then you can or the members of the

[41:36] fairy baseball can come back to us and give us their opinion on this.

[41:41] » But I I >> I would like to see I would like to give

[41:44] you that. Yeah, they have a meeting tomorrow. So, I was just going to tell

[41:47] them how this went before you just the one thing I want to

[41:51] bring up that hasn't come up here >> because he brought up something

[41:54] important which was basically precedent is making sure that we're consistent in

[42:00] every decision that we make. So why I also think and council I I hear what

[42:08] you're saying but also you want to be consistent

[42:11] » because if we allow anyone to put up what they want wherever they want to put

[42:18] it and someone puts up something else somewhere

[42:23] else that maybe you you end up in a position that you don't want to be in as

[42:29] a municipality. So I'm just bringing that up. Um, someone's going to make a

[42:32] motion. I thought >> I'll make a motion that we allow the

[42:36] signs to stand as they are this year until October and that we revisit the

[42:44] signage in see what baseball thinks about our

[42:48] proposed. Sorry. >> Yeah. You let me know and I'll report

[42:52] back. I'll get this. I think Joe already has this anyway.

[42:54] » You can take it. >> Yeah. and then um I'll let them know and

[42:57] then they'll they'll have to get some people together

[42:59] » just to just to uh well why don't we vote first? Um all in favor?

[43:03] » I >> anyone

[43:08] um as it stands now they're good till October. If we don't vote though on a

[43:15] [clears throat] new sign or on the existing signs they're not good for

[43:19] until there's another >> I'll let him know tomorrow that they

[43:23] have to actually get something together. get in touch with you. I don't know if

[43:26] they're going to want to do their own mockup, present it to you guys,

[43:30] » whatever the bouncing of ideas is going to be back and forth.

[43:32] » Absolutely. >> And then go by October.

[43:35] » Uh yes. Okay. I I understand that completely.

[43:37] » And also just on our end on the science standards like what are our next steps

[43:42] to be able to start to put something in place because I just feel like we're

[43:46] just going to and I said this last time like we're just going to keep getting

[43:49] ourselves. >> That's a communications committee. What

[43:52] committee is that? It's planning and design.

[43:55] » Yeah. I mean, it falls on it falls under a couple different committees. So,

[43:59] » yeah,

[44:03] » but I but I think we could um I agree like we've talked about it

[44:08] enough. Um >> um we could workshop it, but I would

[44:14] suggest if it's okay, can we talk about it maybe offline? Yeah,

[44:18] » we get sort of a process that's because I think we probably want a professional

[44:22] here to take his photo so we can look at what it could the product could look

[44:25] like. Okay,

[44:27] » I just don't want it fall on the way. >> No, I think it's that okay.

[44:32] » Yeah, but planning is prime. >> Mayor, can we just make one

[44:37] clarification? Just got a text from recreation director. Just want one

[44:40] clarification. So when we say October, we're going through October 31st or

[44:44] October 1st just only because their season doesn't go through November 1st.

[44:48] Just so it's clear. We >> When does it go through?

[44:50] » Uh November 1st it goes through. So we putting the signs through October 31st.

[44:54] » Do you need a new motion to extend it to November 1st?

[44:57] » October. >> So through October October it doesn't

[45:00] even because that we can take them down. >> Whether the baseball season is going to

[45:05] continue for another week or day from there that would be in playoff times by

[45:09] that time, right? We might not even be home for that. It

[45:12] might be all the way. So, >> so we'll we'll we'll I'll make sure that

[45:16] Joe knows they're coming down October 31st. No later.

[45:21] » Thank you. Thank you. >> I don't know if I can add one more thing

[45:24] about the Snapchat because I didn't know. Not that it's going to I just want

[45:28] to >> uh put it on. We're going to be on

[45:31] public comment on agenda items only after the next thing. Save for that.

[45:34] » Oh, I got one more thing. I got one second.

[45:38] » Yeah, just hang out. Okay. I got One more. All right. Thank you, Mike. Uh,

[45:44] next up is Bsentennial Hall landscape plan.

[45:49] » Welcome back. >> Are you

[45:54] » Is the tripod in the >> Yeah, I'll grab it.

[45:56] » Thank you.

[46:14] Is that it?

[46:17] Think that's good.

[46:29] Yeah, >> good evening. Um, uh, I don't know how

[46:33] many of you have seen this plan in different format. Maybe you have.

[46:37] » Um, >> is this updated from the last session?

[46:40] » So, this is the none of it would have been the same plan you've seen seen

[46:44] previously. Right. Right. So um so obviously this work is being taken in

[46:48] conjunction with the uh architectural improvements that the historic

[46:53] association is engaged in organizing. And so um uh I was asked out of a

[46:59] landscape architect to um as you to uh help with the uh the landscape

[47:04] improvements and um and so this plant represents um uh basically my

[47:09] collaboration with the uh association members. And um the overriding concept

[47:17] here was basically to create something that would be compatible with the

[47:21] neighborhood while at the same time respecting um this um uh fairly

[47:27] significant piece of architecture even though architecturally it's not um you

[47:31] know not the Vatican or St. Paul's Cathedral, but it um but it really

[47:35] warrants u being preserved. And certainly from a landscape standpoint,

[47:40] there are a lot of different strategies that we could pursue. Um but we we don't

[47:44] want to turn it into a a residential landscape. Um um and um um and so the

[47:52] plan does not attempt at to include any foundation plantings, whatnot. Um the

[47:57] the idea basically being that um um that it needs to be cleaned up, some things

[48:04] removed, some things um added, but um we would really like the building to

[48:09] present itself to the street in a in a slightly more um almost like reverential

[48:15] way. um uh uh obviously it's not a religious or not providing religious

[48:21] services now but uh but it it has that aura about it and and so uh we wanted to

[48:27] um to respect that and so the the landscape from the the front plane of

[48:32] the building out to Cedar um Avenue um the idea um is to uh actually uh uh

[48:40] transplant uh the two holly trees that are currently growing in front of the

[48:46] building. So, you actually can't even see about a third of the building. Um,

[48:50] and so those would be those would be transplanted to the northern property

[48:54] line, which is to the left on on this plan. Um, and um, uh, obviously there

[48:59] there also two large oak trees um, adjacent to the sidewalk that that would

[49:04] be um, those obviously would be retained. And um the idea being to

[49:09] essentially to simplify um the landscape and um and to do um to make uh gestures

[49:17] that are appropriate for the for the building uh while also perhaps providing

[49:22] for um this the uh the site to allow for other sorts of activities. So for

[49:27] example at the the back right hand corner that what's proposed there is a a

[49:32] small paved uh um terrace. there would be an all weather um surface and it

[49:37] takes advantage of what is a bit of lost real estate um uh in that that far back

[49:45] back corner um and um and actually pushing both the north and the south

[49:50] along the north south property lines pushing the bed lines back because over

[49:55] time the English ivy and whatnot has kind of crept into the the lawn. So, um

[50:00] if there were, for example, at some point, um interest in erecting a a tent,

[50:06] um you would have a big enough area to to allow um that that sort of um

[50:10] activity to um to take place. Um and um uh there's also well, I guess is more

[50:18] part of the architectural um uh plan, but the the trash receptacles will now

[50:24] be sort of stored behind behind the building. there's a generator, small

[50:29] generator that will also be behind um the building. Um and uh so this plan

[50:35] does does add a a brick walkway which is an extension of the existing uh walks uh

[50:41] to gain access. Um and um from a horicultural standpoint um um anything

[50:48] that we would be or the majority of what we would be um adding um would be native

[50:54] plant material and um and that would take so there different different ways

[50:59] that would be manifest on the plan. Um one is again to be respectful to the

[51:04] neighbors since we have obviously a commercial building to the north but

[51:07] residences to the uh on the other property lines. Uh uh the plan would is

[51:14] suggesting that we would be adding some evergreen trees around around the uh the

[51:19] perimeter. Um and um and and in conjunction with that um other um

[51:25] ornamental uh plants, but I almost had hesitate to

[51:29] use that that word because um the idea would be to take advantage of the

[51:32] there's a tree canopy there now. So there's a lot of shade which will

[51:36] actually limit the pallet of plant material that can be used. And uh the

[51:40] intention is not to create like an arboritum or whatever. It's really a

[51:44] matter of of accentuating um the uh the existing landscape that's there which is

[51:50] basically canopy trees. Um and um um and also dealing with the the topography uh

[51:58] which both to the uh the north and the east on this plan uh uh is somewhat

[52:03] precipitous if you're familiar with the site that the the topography does fall

[52:07] rather quickly. um in in both the northerly and easterly direction. So um

[52:13] so we'll have to deal with um or part of the landscape application here would be

[52:17] to ensure that um uh that we actually stabilize the ground. Right. Right now

[52:23] there are some there's well there's a combination of uh of i the English ivy

[52:28] some fina there's some native um uh the native grape vines that are growing o o

[52:36] o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o over things um and uh and so part of the

[52:40] project would be literally just simplifying um the landscape and all of

[52:44] this course is done with an eye toward toward maintenance. Um uh we all know

[52:49] that there is no no maintenance landscape but uh but I think with the

[52:54] the proper selection of of plants um uh essentially well as I understand now the

[53:00] DPW is does the lawnmowing and so we would still have that as part of the the

[53:04] the scope but um but the expectation would be that um that the ongoing uh

[53:10] landscape would u probably require like seasonal like you know four times a year

[53:16] someone would probably a crew of two or three people would have to walk through

[53:19] with their pruning shears and and um do a little bit of neatening up. But um uh

[53:25] but the expectation is not to create something that would uh would require a

[53:30] great deal of um attention. The only place where there's anything that that I

[53:34] guess you would say is an embellishment is immediately in front of the building

[53:39] itself where the the ex the existing um brick uh patio is. Um the idea uh here

[53:46] was again in keeping with trying to elevate how the building presents itself

[53:50] to the road u um the plan is showing some low evergreens creating a couple of

[53:55] plant beds that could have perennials um in them but but but both both of these

[54:00] little little bed areas are smaller than the area that you're you're sitting. So

[54:05] it's it's really something that could be quite quite manageable. Um uh so um I I

[54:12] tell everyone I can draw you Versail Gardens if you want, but if it's not

[54:15] going to get maintained, I'd prefer not to even get start that. Um and so um so

[54:22] there would need to be a bit of an ongoing um attention to that that part

[54:26] of it. But um um but it would not be other than mowing of the grass on a

[54:32] weekly or bi-weekly basis, it would not require um you know hiring a full-time

[54:37] gardener to to take care of this. Um um over time um uh with these sorts of

[54:45] plantings and depending on how much sort of handing does go on, a lot of these

[54:49] things will sort of take on a life of their own as you probably know. I think

[54:53] if we uh select the right the right plants and especially in the areas where

[54:58] I mentioned previously the northern and eastern property lines where the

[55:02] topography falls off having some plants that actually um uh sort of um are

[55:07] allowed to grow to their full potential actually would be advantageous. Um so in

[55:13] all probability and we've spoken about the fact that um that with anything like

[55:17] this um in all probability it would be useful for the neighbors to be um

[55:21] introduced to the to the project uh before um too much goes on because

[55:26] obviously it's it it is something that will um that the the visually the

[55:31] landscape it would definitely change to for the better but um but it would be a

[55:35] change and I know frequently um uh uh uh we don't want someone coming home from

[55:41] work one and saying, "Oh my god, what have they done?" Um, and I think it's

[55:45] it's all going to be a very very positive um uh improvement anyway. And I

[55:50] think it'll it'll really fill in rather nicely with the uh with the neighborhood

[55:55] and be a nice a nice compliment um without um without turning it into like

[55:59] an institutional looking looking structure.

[56:03] » Uh thank you. First of all, if I recall, you're donating your time as well.

[56:06] Correct. I want to um make sure everyone understands that. very appreciative. Um,

[56:12] obviously an amazing job. My a few questions. My the I think the concerns I

[56:19] have are the same as they were the last time we discussed it. Um, is just the

[56:24] impervious surfaces that we're adding like you said in the back corner, just

[56:28] to fill the space. I guess my question is, are we doing it just to do it? Um,

[56:33] are we better off maybe just with with just the shrubbery back there um for

[56:37] drainage reasons? Um, and then I think he said there was a brick walkway behind

[56:42] this well that >> I think those are the two things that I

[56:46] I'd probably reference and just ask the question whether they were necessary for

[56:50] the plan and maybe they are maybe there's an idea about you know um you

[56:55] know the theming that we want to put on there and how we want to use those

[56:59] spaces that I'm not aware of and maybe they're fantastic. And then you touched

[57:03] on the maintenance that was my other concern. I didn't know if Nick had been

[57:07] um you know spoken. Yeah. If he was consulted about if he was raped. Uh it's

[57:13] obviously what I hope. Um as far as because you know DPW I know you s I'm

[57:18] sarcastic with the botanical gardens but we did lose a bunch of those trees and

[57:23] some of the things that are there and it's something every time we put more in

[57:26] we got to you got to worry about taking care of them. Um, and then the other

[57:31] thing I want to point out is you talking about the tree county, you just said we

[57:34] want to maximize the tree county, right? Correct. Yeah. You don't need a study

[57:37] for that. That's a great idea. Um, that's all I have. I mean, I I I love

[57:41] it. It looks beautiful. I just want to make sure um, you know, there's a reason

[57:46] we're putting in that back corner that makes sense for Fair Haven. Um,

[57:50] » like placemaking. I think that, you know, we always talk about this race

[57:53] talks about a lot. It does give it just something like I walked around with my

[57:56] dog. I would have sat there for a few minutes. like I

[57:59] » it does add something, but it of course if it makes sense with drainage like

[58:04] obviously that's a big thing. Um but I the the pathway in the back I do think

[58:08] is good because when we were there for love where you live day the garbages are

[58:11] on the side and I know that your intention was to make it so the garbages

[58:15] can go in the back and so it does give them like a flat surface to be on

[58:19] because they kind if you go there now they're like very visible on the right

[58:22] side. So I think that's not a bad thing. You say we're talking about putting

[58:25] garbages in the back corner on the circle.

[58:28] » No, no, no. >> I see the P.

[58:32] » Can I uh add a couple points to round out what Stephen has put on offer for

[58:36] council? Um so this plan has been um presented to the historic preservation

[58:43] commission and endorsed there the shade tree commission and also supported there

[58:48] and the um facilities committee met with me Nick and Rich

[58:54] I think um I don't think you were there at that meeting but we did talk about

[59:00] the components that were being put forward by uh ghosting park and they

[59:06] proposed bringing putting a cans to back which I agree with by ordinance we're

[59:09] not supposed to be able to see them on the street anyway so they should be back

[59:12] there um and uh the dedicated bicycle rack there were a couple of things that

[59:18] were um cons part of the list of work that the local government is planning to

[59:26] do to improve the building and the site and this landscape plan um uh

[59:33] come included it so it so that it is all cohesive

[59:37] where for example I'm sorry I left on where for example the architect um

[59:41] proposed a concrete pad chain link fence around the trash um at the facilities

[59:48] committee meeting it was discussed by the engineer and our head of DPW that it

[59:52] it it's a little was little overkill and that continuing the brick walk and doing

[59:58] a landscape border to to close was just a more appropriate design response to

[1:00:04] the problem that was being solved with maybe just two big

[1:00:09] » the back right corner. What's the thing in that? So that it's very interesting

[1:00:13] and I what I would say for council is when you go to look at that site

[1:00:19] what this plan will feel like compared to what it feels like now

[1:00:24] it's easy to not understand how much of the property is not part of how we use

[1:00:30] the site now because from the outside edge of that circle that you can see

[1:00:35] that's at the line at the lawn it all drops away and there was a a compost

[1:00:40] area in a farm that you know the neighbors just sort of you know it

[1:00:44] looked neglected and unused and and uh they didn't see a property line and so

[1:00:49] you know those things happen. So this would essentially reclaim and capture

[1:00:54] what is the public space that >> could that be stone dust or like you

[1:00:58] know you remember we once talked about a parking lot that was like sort of y

[1:01:02] » impervious and it had but it had brick in it also to give some stability.

[1:01:06] » Yeah. I I'm going to let Stephen, but I'll just tell you a dry set brick is

[1:01:09] also it >> there needs to be a dream future

[1:01:12] component in that corner whether we leave it the way it is or do something

[1:01:16] to recapture a useful space for our community and and I'll let Stephen

[1:01:20] address it. But the only other thing I wanted to add is there at the facilities

[1:01:24] committee meeting it was discussed whether or not we need a sprinkler

[1:01:26] system and we want to go ahead and incorporate sprinkler system that way.

[1:01:31] you know, mostly it's has to do with the lawn, but a drip line in the the buffer

[1:01:35] will help to ensure healthy growth and you know, so it's a it's a little extra

[1:01:40] expense, but it's probably it's a smart uh it's a smart move to ensure that

[1:01:45] things, you know, well, your GP is important. I just want to be consistent.

[1:01:51] We were with the tennis fors, you know what I mean? We were thinking about

[1:01:54] putting the asphalt path and and we ended up going with the stone dust. You

[1:01:59] could talk about that. Yeah, the um there are a lot of well two things. One

[1:02:04] is and we may have discussed previously the principal generator of storm water

[1:02:09] run is obviously the building itself and and so the the roof leaders do go into

[1:02:15] the ground. I guess we don't know exactly

[1:02:17] » on either side of the building >> there are dry wells there to my

[1:02:20] knowledge that they're they're actually operating. I mean what I've driven by

[1:02:23] when it's raining I don't see any waterfalls coming along off of uh cloud

[1:02:28] gutters or whatever. So that seems to be working. With regard to that the uh that

[1:02:32] actual patio area, we haven't actually selected a paver or whatever for that.

[1:02:37] But there are um pavers that are specifically made to serve the same

[1:02:42] purpose as so-called orus asphalt, which you you probably had seen. There are

[1:02:47] these really dramatic um uh demonstrations of that where fire trucks

[1:02:51] will take a 4 inch fire hose and shoot water onto porous asphalt and it

[1:02:56] literally won't go more than 10 ft. It just dis because there's so much pore

[1:03:00] space in the asphalt. Well, there are pavers that are made to serve the same

[1:03:04] purpose. They have about a 3/8 inch joint and you actually put the

[1:03:09] equivalent of stone dust in that joint. Um, and so I would expect that this

[1:03:15] patio area would actually not generate and it would become its own dry well if

[1:03:19] you would. It has a porous base under it.

[1:03:21] » That would be awesome. Uh, Nick, just one question. Does this water He just

[1:03:26] said we don't know where it goes. Does it go towards Colonial? [laughter]

[1:03:32] » No, it is nowhere near

[1:03:38] » I appreciate the question. Can I ask a couple questions? Um I I also had the

[1:03:44] same question about stone dust for the path around the building as well as in

[1:03:49] that back right hand corner. Are you proposing to put benches back there? Um

[1:03:55] there there is interest and once the landscape is developed um and we'd

[1:04:00] actually hope that this would become part of the sort of fair haven green

[1:04:04] space if you would and that perhaps people would want to go and spend time

[1:04:07] there and so so we would expect that there probably would be benches um in

[1:04:12] several locations around the perimeter where you get literally sit in the shade

[1:04:16] of of a tree and and sort of just enjoy the the quiet. So, you mentioned uh

[1:04:22] mowing the lawn as part of the maintenance plan. So, all of all of

[1:04:27] these new plantings and landscaping designs that you're proposing,

[1:04:33] who is expected to maintain it? Do you expect the burrow to maintain it or do

[1:04:38] you have volunteers that are going to do this? Well, yeah, like I I I mentioned

[1:04:43] what the initial installation definitely requires a bit of attention, but but

[1:04:48] ongoing I would not expect it to be something that would have to be done on

[1:04:53] a uh you >> mentioned four times a year,

[1:04:56] » right? Something like that would probably be be certainly would be

[1:05:00] necessary. Yeah, that's what that that's I mean our property

[1:05:05] » because these are not going to be plants that that you would need to go out and

[1:05:09] shape into like little green meatballs or anything

[1:05:13] mulched and >> yeshm

[1:05:17] » do they take water better than or that's standard watering the first year year

[1:05:22] and a half? >> Um I think well we would expect that

[1:05:25] there there would be a um a drip irrigation system for the for the new

[1:05:29] plantings. So for the first year or two that would be that would

[1:05:33] » that factored into the cost of all of this?

[1:05:35] » Yeah. >> Yeah.

[1:05:37] » As part of the investment. Do we do you have an idea of how much all this

[1:05:41] » um I'm in the process of of developing that? But I don't have one for you

[1:05:46] tonight unfortunately. >> Is the storm association covering that

[1:05:49] cost the landscape? It's not the burrow. >> Yeah. But we'll let you from what I

[1:05:54] understand. >> The maintenance is going to be the

[1:05:57] burrow. The initial installation and the tree landscaping and stuff.

[1:06:02] » Just if we had been maintaining this prop property for the last 20 years,

[1:06:07] we'd be in the situation anyway if we'd have to maintain it. So like it's any

[1:06:11] other burough property. Now we're actually going to make it look standard.

[1:06:15] So >> you know, we're adding one or

[1:06:17] » definitely I mean it's going to add it, but this is

[1:06:19] » a burden on DPW. I don't want that to happen. And I I have one last question.

[1:06:25] At your last presentation, I think you mentioned a vegetable garden.

[1:06:30] » Did you talk about that? >> The um uh there were some members of the

[1:06:34] historic association that thought that and it's still on the plan to the north

[1:06:39] here on the plan. >> Right. Right. So that that that's sort

[1:06:43] of lingering on the plan. Um but I think that's probably not as high a priority

[1:06:47] as as as it was. Okay.

[1:06:52] » I don't know how crazy I see a liability there.

[1:06:56] » And and other people. So the discussion and it is lingering.

[1:07:02] It's just a it's a placeholder for a thought. It doesn't have to happen. It

[1:07:05] can happen. It could go in be removed. It's not a is not a permanent but it

[1:07:09] could also not go in ever you know but [clears throat] the the thinking was and

[1:07:15] correct me where I might be off at least is the president historic association

[1:07:18] can talk about it. There was conversation about historic gardens and

[1:07:24] the herbs and things that were grown and used in households

[1:07:29] in back in the day. And would it be interesting to have programs that tied

[1:07:34] in with our history and be able to grow those herbs or medicinal plants and

[1:07:42] flowers um to incorporate into some educational program.

[1:07:46] » It was more of an educational tool.

[1:07:51] » Yeah. And perhaps you could get the girl scouts or the boy scouts and that could

[1:07:54] be something that they work on. >> And we could use

[1:07:59] a really strong. Is this is this an issue with someone eating burrow

[1:08:04] produced product and they have some sort of

[1:08:07] » sides?

[1:08:13] Well, >> there's always the liability that

[1:08:15] [clears throat] >> I love the idea.

[1:08:18] » We're not are we selling it? Are we giving it away?

[1:08:21] » I don't know what like we said. That's a lower. It sounds like that's a lower

[1:08:29] » on the drawing as raised bed which should be collapsed and remove or

[1:08:35] it's easy to install after the fact. We can even just move that discussion to

[1:08:39] down the road and just come back to it later to see if it's still something

[1:08:43] that has merit. I mean at some point there probably maybe there will be

[1:08:49] historic images on display and some to a certain extent there are maybe there

[1:08:53] will be cuts and maybe maybe that'll have a place but maybe things go in a

[1:08:57] different direction and it doesn't have a place but it could be added later with

[1:09:01] Google. >> Yeah, I just two more points. one um at

[1:09:04] the shade tree commission we did talk about how he his pruning plan and I

[1:09:08] really love his approach to pruning where it's kind of taking some out slow

[1:09:12] like in pieces so that you can see what does maybe bloom after things that might

[1:09:17] have looked like they were dead before can actually have life. So I loved that

[1:09:21] approach and we were talking about how do we like

[1:09:23] » maybe as a burrow also take that approach on more projects. The second

[1:09:27] thing is when I went over there the other day it really does go down. I

[1:09:30] didn't realize how steep it was. So, I think that's the big thing for me is

[1:09:35] just the safety of that and making sure that that really is stabilized. I have

[1:09:39] to suspect that that's going to take a little bit more of the money. Like I

[1:09:42] think that might be costly a little bit is the stabilization of that. But that's

[1:09:46] just me as a person. >> I want to say garrison or something.

[1:09:50] » I don't know. So stabilize it. >> Well, you know the rule with things like

[1:09:55] that steep topography number one is don't touch it if you don't have to. Um

[1:10:00] and walls are expensive. >> Yeah. um if you're going to terrorist

[1:10:04] because once you get started with that it's yeah that that corner the uh the

[1:10:08] northeast corner there um um number one it's not obvious that your property line

[1:10:14] extends literally within six feet of that building

[1:10:18] » and there's a little little chain link fence that they have um and um it is

[1:10:23] over a six foot grade change >> um it's almost a oneonone or 45 degree

[1:10:29] slope um coming up um at at this corner So, uh, right now it has vines and

[1:10:34] things on it and so, uh, when some of the initial cleanup gets done, um, we

[1:10:40] should really tell who's ever doing that stay off of that until the last moment

[1:10:43] so we can really see what we have to have to deal. Fortunately, we're not the

[1:10:47] plan doesn't direct any new storm water, let's say, in that direction. So,

[1:10:51] there's nothing that we would need to do to that would destabilize

[1:10:56] that. Um, but we'd want to make sure that that long term, you know, that it

[1:11:00] takes care of itself. So, um, >> great. Well, thank you for all these.

[1:11:04] Yeah. >> Um, what's the ask here? Are we putting

[1:11:08] this by the introduction or are we voting on this now? Like, what's where

[1:11:12] are we at? >> Procedurally, that's why I mentioned

[1:11:15] that it's been to all the other, you know, suspic

[1:11:24] Well, there's pieces. Oh, sorry. >> It, you know what it is? It's It just

[1:11:28] seems like we're not in agreement on it.

[1:11:33] I think you're saying on the final >> on the final

[1:11:36] » um you know this the second time I was at I was at the first presentation it

[1:11:43] correct me if I'm wrong it seems like it was this you know the same presentation

[1:11:47] but we haven't there hasn't been any changes there hasn't been any motions

[1:11:50] made to accept and say like you know remove the vegetable garden or anything

[1:11:55] like that so you could technically you know put it on by motion and put some

[1:12:01] sort of conditions on it. >> I'll put I'll put a motion to accept

[1:12:05] this plan so we can move forward but maybe take out the vegetable vegetable

[1:12:09] garden. >> Do we need Allison? Do we need a

[1:12:12] introduction and a adoption for this or no? Because it's

[1:12:17] going to be what might be it's going to be expensive, right?

[1:12:21] » We're not paying for it. >> We're not paying for it.

[1:12:28] » Just a motion. >> Yeah. possible. Right.

[1:12:31] » I'll second it. >> What are we The one question. What are

[1:12:34] we exactly improving? >> I The only the only reason I asked is

[1:12:38] because I heard I heard stone dust. I you know

[1:12:41] » I I personally >> we talked about porous surface

[1:12:43] potentially like what exactly >> porous surface. I prefer the stone the

[1:12:50] personally the brick just so it's consistent with the look of what we

[1:12:53] have. >> Um but porous is very important. maybe

[1:12:56] no ve vegetable garden and make sure it's you know stable and all the storm

[1:13:03] water you know root requirements are part of it

[1:13:07] » and that we approve historic association to pay for it is that the other piece of

[1:13:11] it do we have to say that >> um

[1:13:14] » do you know if that has to be >> well the historic association is already

[1:13:18] um already presented they're paying for the project so maybe what I mean if you

[1:13:21] wanted to put a stipulation in that this project would be um conducted with no

[1:13:25] cost to Burrow, you could put that in the motion. I think that'd be fair to

[1:13:28] say. >> Is there like a list of this is what's

[1:13:30] in the project like based like you have the picture obviously and you discussed

[1:13:34] it. You you have a very great knowledge of it which I heard, but is there a list

[1:13:39] of these, you know, this is the landscaping that's going in. We're

[1:13:44] putting in 80 linear feet of, you know, so we know what we're

[1:13:48] » Yeah. We don't uh we don't have an official sort of uh bullet pointed.

[1:13:52] That's my That's my only thing is you you did a great presentation, but like

[1:13:56] we're approving more of a concept in my opinion. I I'd like to just like

[1:14:01] » a material sheet. >> Well, a material exactly what we're

[1:14:04] doing and we come in and we literally we know exactly what we're approving. I

[1:14:07] don't I'm not hearing any push back. >> No,

[1:14:10] » I think this is supported >> n at least 90% by each.

[1:14:15] » Can we say we introduce it next with the condition or

[1:14:19] » I don't even think we need to introduce it. I think I I'll we'll put it right

[1:14:22] back on to vote on it. But then at least we know exactly what we're voting on. We

[1:14:26] are changing the burough >> landscape,

[1:14:29] » but >> pretty substantially.

[1:14:32] » But what we have to understand is there is a cost to the burrow. So just so

[1:14:35] everyone's clear and it's not to to put the project,

[1:14:39] » you know, to bed. It's >> there will be ongoing maintenance that

[1:14:44] is performed by the burough. So the resolution would right put it by way of

[1:14:48] resolution. That's something we should have this

[1:14:52] whole time. >> Yeah.

[1:14:55] So, >> well, we're doing

[1:14:57] » but this this would be >> Well, no, we're really we should have

[1:15:01] been because it's overgrown and >> but I I think it you know a resolution

[1:15:05] should encompass that there will be maintenance that's required of the DPW

[1:15:09] workers to >> and that's an expense that will be borne

[1:15:14] by the burrow >> by by the burrow. Right. I'm not I'm not

[1:15:17] saying that should be the the term here. I'm just saying that it's something that

[1:15:20] we'd have to put out there. >> It's going to be a deterrent. I think we

[1:15:23] need to know what we're approving specifically as a governing body and

[1:15:28] also know what those um obviously an idea of what those costs will be. I

[1:15:33] think we already do know, but um >> I still like the vegetable garden.

[1:15:39] » Listen, [laughter] if if that's if that's put on there, but

[1:15:44] at least we know we're voting on that right now. I don't know what we're

[1:15:47] voting on. Exactly what plant and what >> I listen

[1:15:51] » yeah like what's being removed what's being

[1:15:54] » yeah I think how much extra footage we're getting what's native and what's

[1:15:58] not native we you know >> what's being

[1:16:00] » Can I ask Nick can you ask Nick can we ask you a question what like in your

[1:16:05] opinion how much extra work do you think this is going to be

[1:16:09] » uh generally speaking uh obviously the addition of sprinkler system and a you

[1:16:15] know soaking hose around the perimeter plantings There's additional cost

[1:16:19] associated with the water um for for the landscaping and then also uh any

[1:16:26] operational type of the sprinkler has to get damaged or broken have to get

[1:16:30] replaced and you know repaired >> blowing out the system

[1:16:33] » um and then winterizing the system in the in the in the fall and winter then

[1:16:38] startup associated with that as well. uh you know obviously there's existing lawn

[1:16:43] mowing that happens uh in and around the facility um as discussed most of the

[1:16:48] plantings that I guess are being discussed are native plants so hopefully

[1:16:52] they don't need to be replaced or um much pruning or much attention needed to

[1:17:00] them on a on a weekly or monthly basis is kind of hopefully you kind of plant

[1:17:04] it you let it live and then it receds itself on an annual basis uh with there

[1:17:10] could be some costs associated with, you know, maybe there's a species that

[1:17:15] didn't take it didn't work and have to it has to be replaced or amended at some

[1:17:19] point in the future. >> Um, you know, square footage wise, um,

[1:17:24] you know, mulch, obviously right now the the the perimeter is is is the way it is

[1:17:31] because of the steep slopes. There's hesitation to do any type of work. You

[1:17:35] know, the ivy is obviously not native, but it it's a good form of

[1:17:41] slope stabilization there. So, >> we didn't really go into treating it or

[1:17:46] pulling it out because we didn't want to cause unintended consequences to the

[1:17:49] neighbor without, you know, a solution to kind of mitigate those things. Um,

[1:17:55] » could we leave the ivy? Could we leave the ivy in that especially in the back

[1:17:59] corners? Is that something that's possible or is that screw up everything?

[1:18:03] It might actually be best to as much as we don't really like the ivy, but there

[1:18:08] are times when it's the right ground cover. Yes.

[1:18:11] » The the only thing that um I was confused on Nick, you said a sprinkler

[1:18:15] system. I thought you said a slow drip. Is are those two different things?

[1:18:18] » I always drip like with a hose that would just

[1:18:22] » that would be for the border where the >> Yeah. I didn't know if there was a

[1:18:25] discussion about, you know, sprinkling the lawn area and then a soaker hose in

[1:18:29] the landscape beds. I thought that was maybe what it would be that I didn't see

[1:18:33] an irrigation plant. >> Okay.

[1:18:35] » Is is there underground sprinkler systems being put in?

[1:18:39] » Yes. >> Yeah,

[1:18:40] » there are. >> I think that's what they were initially

[1:18:42] discussing earlier. >> I was I was I was against the

[1:18:51] » curious.

[1:18:55] Pardon me. Are you replacing water? >> Um well any lawn work would be dependent

[1:19:01] upon uh how much um disturbance uh resulted from the the planting or

[1:19:07] construction activities. And so um in all probability we would just um seed

[1:19:12] over the existing lawn. Soding the entire property would be sort of

[1:19:17] prohibited costwise and is really not actually even necessary. Um, but having

[1:19:22] a drip irrigation system for the plantings is really if you're investing

[1:19:26] in plants that first year is um I mean >> you all know you try to go out and water

[1:19:33] all your trees or whatnot. Um it's it's it's a cost effective way of it's an

[1:19:37] insurance policy on your plants. Um >> so um but you're correct. There's a uh a

[1:19:44] cost just for the water. The uh drip systems of course are the most efficient

[1:19:49] because they're not throwing they're delivering it where where you need it.

[1:19:52] Um >> drip systems work for grass.

[1:19:55] » Pardon me. >> Can drip drip systems work for gr for

[1:19:58] lawn or just >> No, it would just be for the just for

[1:20:01] the shrubs. Yeah, the lawns would have to have the popup.

[1:20:04] » So that's a good example. Like I just don't think we even knew what we were

[1:20:07] going if we can get a list of everything that's being done for this project. It

[1:20:11] goes back on agenda. Our next meeting is three weeks. Alison

[1:20:14] » September 14th. September 14th. I'm assuming there won't be any huge issues,

[1:20:18] but at that time we couldn't really look at it. Um,

[1:20:22] » let's confirm Steve can generate that and because we were also trying to

[1:20:26] » No, I'd be happy. >> No, no, Mayor the 14th police swearing

[1:20:31] in that night too. Said it's going to be a long meeting just to

[1:20:34] » but what we can do is have as um it's really it's a

[1:20:39] » it'll be in our detail and stuff like that. So it'll be available. Is there is

[1:20:44] there >> I think what you're saying is important.

[1:20:46] Um and I just want to give some context though because I think for me we've been

[1:20:51] talking about this on the historic side of things for years. So I'm like I guess

[1:20:55] I'm a little eager to get it done because it has been kind of just fixing

[1:20:58] up bsentennial hall in general. So but I think what all your points are important

[1:21:03] and that's a good thing for us to see before we

[1:21:05] » Is there a timing issue on getting the plants in the ground? Yeah.

[1:21:08] » Is this a spring thing now based on the timing? um um anytime you know

[1:21:14] traditionally um September 1st until snowfall is our prime time. So we would

[1:21:21] like to move this forward. >> Let's say we gave approval. I'm talking

[1:21:24] to everyone here. Um you know is this something that the does this go to bid?

[1:21:31] I mean they're paying for it themselves. I I'm trying to figure out timing though

[1:21:35] like do I need to rush to put this on a meeting when we might have a very long

[1:21:38] night. Um, or could I put it on a meeting two meetings from now? I just

[1:21:42] want to make sure I'm moving the right. >> We need to get this moving as soon as

[1:21:46] possible to get the the trees that need to be eliminated eliminated and get what

[1:21:52] we need to get in the ground before it gets too.

[1:21:55] » That's what I'm saying. We're trying to do this for the fall.

[1:21:58] » Yeah. This has been going on. >> So, so our plan right now is to put it

[1:22:04] on the next meeting. Assuming that we get that list and it gives us time as a

[1:22:08] group to look at it, we'll um it'll be back on workshop, right, Alison? Or or

[1:22:13] would you put it in a different >> It could go if we're doing a resolution

[1:22:17] just to bullet point by this, it's being maintained by this.

[1:22:21] » No, but the problem >> we do that then there's going to be

[1:22:25] there might be some items that they take out of the

[1:22:28] » we can workshop it and list a resolution and if nobody agrees then we resolution

[1:22:32] » that sounds great. Good to go. >> Thank you so much. Thank you.

[1:22:36] » Appreciate it. We'll move forward. >> All right. Uh, next up, that was a very

[1:22:41] long minute. Mike, come on. Back up. Public comment on agenda items only.

[1:22:48] » Yeah, I'm just wanted to make a couple. I did not know that Secret was going to

[1:22:52] make that presentation, but I think it's a good thing. Just two suggestions.

[1:22:56] » Um, the soccer and baseball use the Snapchat the most, I think, during their

[1:23:02] season. soccer for shoot. [clears throat]

[1:23:04] » I think you guys might want to just touch base with the Steve Cop who I

[1:23:09] think runs soccer and probably Fair Haven baseball

[1:23:12] » just to go in there. I don't personally um baseball didn't use the Snapchat for

[1:23:17] many years. When I took over, I opened it back up. I ran it for about two and a

[1:23:20] half, three years myself. There's there is quite a bit of stuff. If if Cigar is

[1:23:25] going to go into this and and move some machinery around, repaint the floors, I

[1:23:31] I don't think there's that much that needs to be replaced as far as big

[1:23:35] ticket items. Again, I also don't know who's responsible. I know Chris and I

[1:23:38] have talked about this. I never got a clear answer about who's actually

[1:23:41] responsible for the equipment in there. I fixed a couple of the machines myself,

[1:23:45] got them working. The hot dog machine and pretzel machine are working now. Um

[1:23:49] the refrigerator in there is enormous. It is definitely on its last legs. Okay.

[1:23:54] Not that it has to be thrown away and replaced.

[1:23:57] » If you're going to go through this process now, I think a couple things

[1:24:00] should be looked at. Again, touch base with maybe soccer. They definitely use

[1:24:05] that place every weekend, right? I don't know if baseball's going to continue to

[1:24:09] use it. It's it's really up to them. If somebody has the initiative, they want

[1:24:13] to do it, they'll do it. But generally baseball has it from March until

[1:24:20] about the beginning of the summer. Well, I don't even think so. No, soccer takes

[1:24:24] it back over, I think. >> Does it drive any revenue for baseball?

[1:24:27] Like when you do it or not? >> It does. It does.

[1:24:29] » It does. >> It It takes a lot, but um

[1:24:33] there there's a lot of rusty tables in there. There's some machines that need

[1:24:38] probably someone to look at. Like I would get a refrigeration guy in there

[1:24:41] to look at that refrigerator and maybe just clean it up a little bit. It's

[1:24:44] rusted to hell. All the tables are rusted to hell. There's a giant leak

[1:24:48] under the main sink. So, she's going to put in the time to epoxy that floor.

[1:24:53] » That leak's got to be fixed. >> Can I make a suggestion?

[1:24:57] [clears throat] >> Um, in secrets process, she's an Eagle

[1:25:00] Scout >> fan. I love that she's doing that.

[1:25:03] » But, but what you're talking about could conceivably be too much for Scout

[1:25:08] » 100%. But what Secret could do is interview these key leaders with the

[1:25:13] group and then generate a report for council that would identify and maybe

[1:25:18] get Nick to to run it by Nick too to identify.

[1:25:21] » I'm not sure if DJ's still on but he's been coordinating with the other group

[1:25:25] discussing all those those details. So maybe he wants to speak to that.

[1:25:29] » Yeah, maybe too. Perhaps Sacred could identify those improvements or you know

[1:25:35] maybe investments is a better word so we could consider investing over time

[1:25:40] because I don't think we could do all of it at once.

[1:25:43] » No, it's just just things to consider would help.

[1:25:45] » But I think Mike you bring up a good point. Even the you know this the sink

[1:25:49] leaking underneath that's something we can have DPW you know now we know about

[1:25:53] we have DBW followup in our facilities. >> Yeah. you guys are going to be putting

[1:25:56] in this kind of effort if DBW is going to move this stuff for her to have

[1:26:00] access to do all these repairs and cleaning and organization.

[1:26:04] » Yeah, >> might be time to get rid of some of that

[1:26:06] stuff. >> And and there's a freezer. Fair Haven

[1:26:09] Baseball bought like a thousand deep freezer that's sitting in the actual

[1:26:13] garage right now. >> Maybe there's things that can be removed

[1:26:16] there so you guys can move that into the space so everyone can use it and then

[1:26:20] the garage has more space too because the BW utilizes the garage.

[1:26:25] There are some things and I think a couple people that you should probably

[1:26:28] talk to, especially soccer that may be able to help her with some things what

[1:26:33] to look at because these are the people who use it the most.

[1:26:37] » All right. Thanks guys. I'll talk about this on Wednesday. Thanks.

[1:26:42] » Take care. >> Anyone else public comment on agenda

[1:26:45] items only? >> Yes, I stand for fair. I just want to

[1:26:51] know for new business introduction of ordinance. Is this the time to be

[1:26:55] talking about that or wait? Yes, >> it's okay. So, I just had some questions

[1:27:00] about the ordinance for the fire truck, which I

[1:27:03] think is great that we have this $1.4 million in our coffers. I guess my

[1:27:09] question is how long do we keep excess money that's been

[1:27:15] left over from a previous bond? How long do we keep it in our own bank account?

[1:27:22] » Are we paying interest? Are we paying interest on that money? Like some of

[1:27:26] this is goes back to 2017. >> So $50,000 that we've had we borrowed in

[1:27:33] 2017. We're paying interest on it for nine

[1:27:36] years. >> So we

[1:27:37] » and then we're going to >> I can answer some of this and then jump

[1:27:40] in. >> Okay. So literally just

[1:27:42] » as as long Good question. As long as the bond deducting, we're paying interest.

[1:27:47] Whether we have it sitting aside, we're also earning interest if it if it is

[1:27:51] sitting as something, >> but whether we spend it or not, we're

[1:27:53] paying interest. Um I think there's a legacy aspect to this um that has caused

[1:28:02] um some of the accounts to build up longer than might be normal. Um it's

[1:28:07] nothing nefarious or anything. It's just just they were sort of lingering. I

[1:28:11] think administrator York has done a great job along with our CFO of

[1:28:14] identifying it and cleaning it up. One thing that this is maybe news to some of

[1:28:19] us, but one thing that's that Minister York and I picked about is maybe taking

[1:28:24] some of the money and paying down the debt.

[1:28:26] » Well, that was reduce the interest cost, >> right? We have an extra $5,000. Why not

[1:28:30] just >> Yes, we're return and not pay interest

[1:28:33] on it. >> It's it's not always an easy. So, when

[1:28:35] you sell a bond, you make an agreement with the investor that you're not going

[1:28:38] to um pay down the bonds early for a 10-year period.

[1:28:42] » Okay? >> Typically, on our last deal, we

[1:28:44] negotiate a seven-year lockout. Um but there might be other ways uh to

[1:28:50] do it, which are a little more advanced, but but it's not impossible,

[1:28:55] [clears throat] >> but that's something we're talking

[1:28:56] about, right? >> Because some of these monies are not a

[1:28:58] lot. $700,000 is a big chunk of change to be paying interest on. even if we're

[1:29:03] getting interest, we're probably not getting what we're paying.

[1:29:06] » Yeah, Bill, just and just to add to I mean, I've obviously been here almost

[1:29:10] two and a half years now. There was a lot of cleanup that had to get done when

[1:29:13] I did arrive. Um, and last year was towards the end of uh Councilman

[1:29:17] Olsson's term as chair of finance council. We had this discussion about

[1:29:21] going through all of the bonds and determine what money was still left.

[1:29:25] Should money have been left in a bond from 2017? No, that's that's certainly

[1:29:28] too long. So, there was a lot of cleanup that had to be made and Nancy and I

[1:29:32] spent a good portion of this year going through it uh to find it. The fortunate

[1:29:36] thing is we were able to find the funding out of these bonds to be able to

[1:29:40] pay the fire truck without having to do permanent financing for us. That's a win

[1:29:43] for everybody. And just adding on to what Councilman Olsson said too. Um and

[1:29:47] I know Councilman Deelli who's the shared finance council, we've had the

[1:29:50] conversation as well about it. Um to be able to use that other money to pay down

[1:29:54] the debt and so a lot of that you those payments did not hit the tax roles. It's

[1:29:58] another win for the taxpayers as well. So, I think we're making a lot of good

[1:30:01] moves and with the support of the council.

[1:30:03] » Great. Thank you very much. >> Thanks, Bill.

[1:30:06] » Public comments.

[1:30:09] I I came uh because I have some questions

[1:30:14] and a few >> I'm Kathy Myum 91 Princeton Road and I

[1:30:20] live on Princeton Road and I know you're thinking about ordinance 2026-11

[1:30:27] and I'm home during the day and cars from the school actually don't haven't

[1:30:34] parked on my street uh is my observation which I wanted to share. And I wondered

[1:30:41] if um perhaps uh the uh Princeton Road could either be left off of the

[1:30:48] resolution or if you're thinking that the kids will force be forcing

[1:30:55] themselves to park further down that way. Also on Harvard Road, we've noticed

[1:31:02] that they don't tend to park on Harvard Road either. is our observation when we

[1:31:08] go around the block to walk the dog. Um so that's just food for thought.

[1:31:14] » Mayor, do you want to add to it? >> Sure. So um

[1:31:17] » so if >> so we have a so we have the chief's not

[1:31:21] here tonight but Lieutenant Dra is here and we could just discuss um so going

[1:31:25] back several months ago um we did put no parking on Cambridge and we did pretty

[1:31:30] about a little over a week and what and the reason why we had the no parking

[1:31:34] there was to determine will the students just not park on Cambridge or they're

[1:31:38] going to park somewhere else. Um what happened when we did prevent the parking

[1:31:41] on Cambridge, they did park on Princeton, they did park on Harvard,

[1:31:45] they did park on Oxford and they do every day still park on Ruckers. That's

[1:31:49] one of the other spots as well. So they did shift. Um the concern of why the

[1:31:53] ordinance was presented in the way it is >> is because if we do restrict on those

[1:31:57] streets, they are just going to shift down and park on those and then it push

[1:32:00] it doesn't solve the problem. It pushes the problem to the other residents and

[1:32:03] now they're having the same quality of life issue that the residents on

[1:32:06] Cambridge are talking about and some of the residents on Ruckers. So that's why

[1:32:10] it's included. Um, but again looking at it and I think the council when they

[1:32:14] were addressing this looked at the most, you know, you know, non-restrictive way

[1:32:18] to do it and rather than like Rumpson did two-hour parking or um or just not

[1:32:23] having any parking at all, they did three-hour parking. So essentially, you

[1:32:26] know, if you if you live in that house, you don't really have to move your car

[1:32:30] until 10 10:00 a.m. because you have 3 hours it can be parked in that zone. And

[1:32:35] if you go out during the day, like you come home at 12:05, you know, you don't

[1:32:39] have to move your car either. So it's only 3 hours. You can't be parked there

[1:32:43] for more than 3 hours. It's probably the least restrictive for anybody who's

[1:32:46] there going on if they're concerned and >> right shifting the problem

[1:32:51] » changed people's uh motus operandi I must say in great in in quite a big

[1:32:59] fashion um from what their habits are in the

[1:33:05] past not only for the people who live there uh some people uh have especially

[1:33:12] live on corners they have two entrances to their homes and that kind of thing

[1:33:17] and they they park. Right. I know my neighbor park has his

[1:33:20] » and we're not preventing parking. I mean, you're still allowed to park on

[1:33:23] the street. You just can't leave your car parked in the same location on that

[1:33:28] street for more than 3 hours. >> Well, I understand.

[1:33:30] » So, so my other my other >> it's only between 7 and 3.

[1:33:34] » I understand. And people also have workers in their homes and things like

[1:33:39] that who need parking. Um on our street they have nannies and other workers.

[1:33:48] » That's why we didn't want to go to the permit system because of things like

[1:33:51] that. >> I the one thing I'll say is every action

[1:33:56] has a reaction, >> right?

[1:33:58] » Move things around and it'll be a reaction to that, right? And we're going

[1:34:01] to take that feedback and data and bring it back up here. And if we need to make

[1:34:06] further changes or or um you know slice the apple,

[1:34:12] » let me give you some other thoughts that mean very important to me. I was also

[1:34:17] wondering about the amount of signage that's going to be placed and the

[1:34:22] spacing of the signage >> in order to make the message.

[1:34:25] » So I can answer that real quick. >> I'm very concerned about visual

[1:34:31] uh site pollution and making the message clear without having lots of signs.

[1:34:38] » We won't have any. So what so um we spoke with the prosecutor to determine

[1:34:42] what was required for signage. Okay. >> Uh technically we don't have to put any

[1:34:45] signage there as long as we advertise the ordinance. We are not required to

[1:34:48] put any signage there for being forced. Um we did decide we probably should have

[1:34:52] signage there so people are aware. So there will only be two signs on each

[1:34:57] street or at the entrance. Ruckers will only have one because it's a culde-sac,

[1:35:01] but all the other streets only have one at each entrance. So, there'll be the

[1:35:04] least amount of signs possible. Again, because sign pollution was certainly a

[1:35:09] concern for us. We did want to change the character of the neighborhood.

[1:35:12] Again, we don't have to put any signs according to the prosecutor, but again,

[1:35:15] so people are aware that the fair thing to do with the minimum amount. So, um

[1:35:19] the entrances to the streets, so the most would be two on each.

[1:35:23] » Perfect. >> Okay.

[1:35:24] » Solves that problem. Kathy, one other thing because we care

[1:35:29] about the same things you care about. >> Oh, right.

[1:35:31] » But hopefully this forever, >> you know,

[1:35:34] » this is what I would I had that also here, but I wasn't going to ask.

[1:35:37] [laughter] >> Yeah, we will see. But

[1:35:41] » yes, I know they want to get on the road and [clears throat] go

[1:35:45] » their ways. >> I have a lot of the same concerns as you

[1:35:48] and I still have them. Um, but I do know something has to happen.

[1:35:52] » Yes. for I hope it's not too horror on you guys and maybe the school will come

[1:35:57] up with their own solution which will eliminate all of this inconvenience for

[1:36:02] our res. >> Oh yes.

[1:36:04] » Yeah. Continue for those people on Cambridge or Rers. I know that's

[1:36:10] terrible. >> Okay. Thank you for clarifying that.

[1:36:13] » Thank you. Is there anyone else with public comment on agenda items only?

[1:36:17] Alison.

[1:36:22] » All right. We're going to move to approval of minutes July 27, 2026

[1:36:25] special meeting. Do I have a motion to approve?

[1:36:27] » Motion. >> A second.

[1:36:29] » Alison, may I please have a roll call?

[1:36:34] » Yes. >> Pot?

[1:36:35] » Yes. >> Mi?

[1:36:37] » Yes. >> Olson?

[1:36:38] » Yes. Uh July 27th, 2026 executive session. Motion to approve.

[1:36:43] » Motion second. >> Alison, may I please have a roll call?

[1:36:45] Council on Miss Selling, yes. Cotch, >> yes.

[1:36:49] » Yes. >> Uh July 27, 2026 regular meeting motion.

[1:36:54] » Motion to amend. >> So I So I have a motion to amend. Um

[1:37:00] it's on page eight, line nine. It says that um

[1:37:07] » hello. >> So it's it's

[1:37:11] » 27 page. It's the second start second paragraph. Council me has to step back

[1:37:16] on this. There's something needs to be done. She refers to the mayor's comment

[1:37:20] methodically debating this matter for five years and stated that this is the

[1:37:25] first time she ever heard about this. And that is not what I said. I didn't

[1:37:29] say this was the first time I ever heard about this. I said this the first time

[1:37:34] we are debating this issue. And I think there's a big distinction there.

[1:37:37] » So I'd like to make that change. >> I'll second that. Have you guys moved?

[1:37:43] objection. [laughter] >> That's all I have. The motion to approve

[1:37:47] or is that done? >> We need to do we need to we just approve

[1:37:51] it with that change. Alison. >> Yeah.

[1:37:55] » Motion to approve the amended minutes.

[1:37:59] » Alison, may I please have a roll call? Council

[1:38:02] » members call. >> Yes.

[1:38:04] » Dell. >> Yes.

[1:38:07] » Yes. >> Yes.

[1:38:09] » Yes. make an important point where Allison who made the motion for the

[1:38:14] special meeting. >> I know I did.

[1:38:16] » Yeah, she wasn't there >> and I wasn't there. I think Elsa would

[1:38:19] have flagged it if it was a sticking point. But that was me, Alison.

[1:38:23] » Yeah, she made the council made the made the motion seconded.

[1:38:27] » I did. >> And she wasn't at the meeting, didn't

[1:38:28] vote the special meeting. So, should we redo that?

[1:38:34] » Tell the executive the special meeting. >> Yeah.

[1:38:39] So, I'd like to make a motion to approve the special meeting next.

[1:38:42] » I'll second that. >> Please have a roll call.

[1:38:49] » So, [clears throat] you're talking about the tan.

[1:38:51] » Yes. >> Okay.

[1:38:53] » One of the people special meeting.

[1:38:58] » Wow. That was a good casual. >> I picked sens as soon as they did and

[1:39:05] then she went to the next. I who thinks that

[1:39:10] » so the quietest guys listening to good

[1:39:15] » okay >> thank you uh next up old business

[1:39:18] hearing and adoption of ordinances 2026-11

[1:39:22] supplement burough code chapter 7 sections 15 and 20 have a motion to open

[1:39:27] » motion >> a second

[1:39:30] » all in favor >> anyone opposed anyone up here have

[1:39:33] anything on this >> I think it's a great compromise

[1:39:37] Um, you know, as we've all talked about, there's lots of push and pull on a lot

[1:39:41] of these issues. We're trying to make the best of an imperfect situation. It's

[1:39:46] not forever, hopefully. Um, so I really think it's we've all done a great job of

[1:39:51] finding a counselor. >> Yeah. And one thing that I've said

[1:39:54] before is that, you know, I have some concerns. Um, but I'm willing to try

[1:39:58] this because something needs to happen. I just want to make sure that we are

[1:40:02] looking at what's actually happening and evaluating it very regularly because it

[1:40:06] is going to affect a lot of people in town.

[1:40:08] » It is. >> Yes.

[1:40:10] » Anyone in the public have anything on this?

[1:40:14] Allison, anyone along? >> No.

[1:40:17] » A motion to close. >> Second.

[1:40:21] » Uh, all in favor? >> Anyone opposed?

[1:40:25] Uh, do I have a motion to approve? >> Motion. Second. Alison, may I please

[1:40:29] have a roll call?

[1:40:33] » Hold on. Go back to who offered >> Betsy then Tracy.

[1:40:39] » Council member. >> Yes. Sell. Yes. Cotch. Yes.

[1:40:44] » Yes. Alson. >> Yes. Um and B administrator York. I

[1:40:49] assume we're going to get notice over. Um,

[1:40:53] » I already have a thing to >> Yeah, we're going to we're going to

[1:40:58] we're going to email. We also send a certified as well.

[1:41:00] » Can't claim that they didn't. >> We're certifying the streets

[1:41:04] » like every street affected. >> Yeah. Okay.

[1:41:06] » Yeah. But we're going to send the correspondence for the um ordinance that

[1:41:10] was approved tonight to the school both email. We're also going to certify mail

[1:41:13] as well. >> The residents aren't getting individual.

[1:41:16] I'm sending it to at least the residents that attended the

[1:41:21] last meeting. See, I think spread the word of it, but I don't think that I

[1:41:25] think it's going to be in our social media. I

[1:41:27] » I think that's not enough because this is a big change for every single person

[1:41:31] on each of the college streets. I think it needs to be they need to get a letter

[1:41:35] in their mailbox or something. This is a big change. I mean, as you said, it's a

[1:41:38] lifestyle change. So, I think that we need to be better about getting it into

[1:41:42] every resident. >> Why don't we discuss that in the

[1:41:44] communications meeting? When's our next communications meeting? We don't

[1:41:49] » I mean we could I mean if we're looking for postage and we want to we and want

[1:41:52] to send a mailer to each house as well. We could certainly do that. I mean if

[1:41:55] that's if that's what we do, >> you know, we want to if we want to pay

[1:41:59] for postage and send it, we can certainly do.

[1:42:02] » I'd be happy to help other we can just mail, you know, we did

[1:42:07] postage on and mail it. >> That's it's something we'll need. Right.

[1:42:11] » Uh, new business introduction of ordinances. Uh, 2026-12 bond ordinance

[1:42:17] reappropriation for acquisition of new fire truck. Do I have a motion to

[1:42:20] approve? Motion. >> Second.

[1:42:22] » Alison, may I please have a roll call that was

[1:42:31] » members?

[1:42:34] Yes. >> Yes. Thank you. 2026-13

[1:42:39] repeal ebike regulation ordinance. >> I think it just you maybe want to say

[1:42:43] there's a state law. >> Yeah.

[1:42:45] » And it's been superseded. >> Superseded by state law. It's a good

[1:42:49] word there. Mayor [laughter]

[1:42:53] » Alson, may I please have a roll call? >> Call.

[1:42:57] Yes. Yes. >> Yes. Uh thank you. Uh, next up, consent

[1:43:01] agenda resolutions 2026 175 through [clears throat] 2026-190.

[1:43:08] Um, before I ask for a pin, does anyone want to separate it?

[1:43:11] » I would like to. Um, can I separate it? 2026 180.

[1:43:15] » I'd like to separate 179.

[1:43:21] » Okay. Um, do you want discussion? Um, I just think I need to for me I need to um

[1:43:32] » be separate. >> You can just abstain from whatever

[1:43:35] resolution. >> I love good.

[1:43:40] » Um, so I I don't know how that works then.

[1:43:43] » I'll just be accept. >> Yeah.

[1:43:47] » Okay. >> Um, and then 179 order.

[1:43:52] » Oh, you guys love it. refusals. Okay. Um so how about this? Do

[1:43:59] we do we need do we need three separate votes?

[1:44:01] » No, we're going to do one for each of those. Okay.

[1:44:05] » Um so we're talking 175 through 190. >> Um with a recusal from Brian on 179, a

[1:44:13] recusal from Michael on 180. Um do I have a motion?

[1:44:19] » Second. Uh Alison, may >> I please have a Council

[1:44:24] members Cole, >> yes. Inelli,

[1:44:27] » yes. Cut, >> yes.

[1:44:29] » Yes. Also, >> yes.

[1:44:31] » Uh, thank you. Department reports July 2026. Um, a motion to approve all of

[1:44:38] those reports. Municipal clerk through municipal court. Motion with a Hardy.

[1:44:42] Thank you. >> Second.

[1:44:44] » All in favor? >> Anyone opposed? [laughter]

[1:44:49] » Does anyone have any committee updates? >> That's nice. that's on there and I don't

[1:44:53] notice it, I'll I'll be more prepared. >> So, we talked about in the in the

[1:44:57] communications meeting that we would like to make sure that we're having

[1:45:01] committee. So, we'll move forward if anyone does not mention anything. Don't

[1:45:04] feel that you have to, but we'd love to hear what's going on in your committee.

[1:45:08] » Sure. >> Thank you.

[1:45:09] » Um, good to the burrow. Please stand identify yourself by clearly stating

[1:45:13] your name and address for the record. Please observe time of three minutes.

[1:45:17] Anyone with a burrow or public?

[1:45:22] Welcome back though. Missed >> you.

[1:45:25] » So on your >> name and address please.

[1:45:29] » Answer if fairly. So on the consent resolution

[1:45:32] 2026-175 the title is [snorts]

[1:45:37] interview for police chief. The first whereas says interview for patrolman

[1:45:43] the therefore says police chief. So I'm just

[1:45:49] matter. It is indeed for release. >> Do we need you? Don't need to revote on

[1:45:56] that bill. >> Thank you, Bill.

[1:45:59] » Anyone else? Would they go to the burrow the public? Alson, anyone on?

[1:46:05] » No. >> How about fireman's fair? I know it's

[1:46:07] not really us, but I mean it's kind of us. So, um, make sure you're

[1:46:11] volunteering. Everyone in the fireman's here coming out. Very excited before our

[1:46:15] next meeting. So, to see all that. >> Anyone else? Uh the historic association

[1:46:20] is hosting its annual garden party. Um this year we'll be celebrating the 120th

[1:46:28] anniversary of a bar pond and um honoring Chris Brennan on that same

[1:46:34] spirit. Many people have seen his video which is wonderful. He's a really great

[1:46:39] historical. Brunson Hill and it is a tremendous uh history that

[1:46:45] really includes a lot of therapy. >> So this year it is 120 years of

[1:46:51] » please get your GPS to the phone. >> September 26th.

[1:46:54] » September 26th. Thank you. >> Anyone else?

[1:46:57] » Um I would like to discuss potentially I think I'm going to reach out to all of

[1:47:02] you now that um we have the Cambridge thing settled. I might want to send a

[1:47:06] second email. We never a second letter. We never received um a response back

[1:47:12] from the RBR board of education. Um and in our new rules, they still do have to

[1:47:18] cross the street across Ridge Road. So, the safety concern still does stand and

[1:47:24] it's something that I am concerned about. Um and we did not receive

[1:47:28] response and I'm hoping that RBR sees that if there are kids that are going to

[1:47:33] be crossing the road that they should be protected. So,

[1:47:35] » did we um did we communicate that to the county?

[1:47:39] » Yes. >> Okay.

[1:47:41] » They received they received the letters. >> Um the other thing, just to correct the

[1:47:45] record from the finance committee, there was a communication that went around the

[1:47:49] town today saying that we had a tax rate of 1.427.

[1:47:53] That's incorrect. That's last year's tax rate. Our tax rate this year is 1.395.

[1:47:58] That encompasses um the schools, the county, everything. Um and our portion

[1:48:04] of that for the [clears throat] municipality is 311.

[1:48:08] That's the portion that 22% that we uh take care of. I also want to make it

[1:48:13] clear that the finance committee is constantly meeting. We look over every

[1:48:17] single line item consistently all the time. And the reason that sometimes we

[1:48:21] do have to cut a service is just because of that because we have to fit it all in

[1:48:25] the pot. Um that's what I got. >> Sure. There is a community solar event

[1:48:33] through the green team and that is on September 13th.

[1:48:38] » Thank you. >> Stop solar. Sorry.

[1:48:40] » We do have an executive session tonight. >> So [laughter]

[1:48:47] » I'm going to ask to uh No, we're going to go we're going to

[1:48:51] go out into executive session. The time is 8:50. Do I have a motion?

[1:48:55] [clears throat] >> Second.

[1:48:57] » All in favor? >> Anyone opposed? Thank you.

[1:49:04] Uh motion to close the meeting at 9:01 p.m.

[1:49:07] » Motion second. >> All in favor?

[1:49:10] » Anyone opposed?

Borough of Fair Haven - Council Meeting - August 17, 2026

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