[0:05] Welcome everyone. Uh, I call the July

[0:08] 8th, 2026 Landmark Preservation Board

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[1:57] Member Thomas here.

[2:00] Member Nelson,

[2:04] member Arajalof,

[2:08] uh, member Moser

[2:12] » Here.

[2:13] » Member Si

[2:17] » Here.

[2:19] » In addition, the following city staff

[2:21] are in attendance. Ray Sosa, senior

[2:23] planner, city of both. Christian Gats,

[2:25] community development deputy director.

[2:28] In addition, the following city

[2:29] consultants are attending virtually.

[2:32] Adam also work [snorts]

[2:35] cultural resource associates. Penelopey

[2:38] Kotrell Crawford will cultural resource

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[4:00] The minutes for the June 22nd, 2026

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[4:21] » Yes. Until the next meeting.

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[4:35] » Old business. There is no old business.

[4:40] Uh the first item of new business this

[4:43] evening is a city of both staff briefing

[4:44] on the downtown sub area plan update. I

[4:47] would like to introduce Cameron Kovven,

[4:50] senior planner, city of both community

[4:52] development who will give a briefing on

[4:55] the downtown sub area plan update.

[5:00] Cameron,

[5:02] thank you very much. Um I will get the

[5:04] presentation pulled up here.

[5:14] All right. Um, so as mentioned, my name

[5:16] is Cameron Culvin. I'm a senior long

[5:19] range planner in the community

[5:20] development department. Um, I know it's

[5:23] been a little while since you all have

[5:26] received an update on this particular

[5:28] project. Um, which has some significant

[5:32] overlaps with the work of this board.

[5:35] Um, there was a fair amount of

[5:38] information included in your packet. So,

[5:41] I will try to summarize most of the key

[5:44] takeaways from the existing conditions

[5:47] inventory that we did as well as provide

[5:50] a couple of updates on our community

[5:52] engagement work and what we've been

[5:54] hearing from the community.

[5:56] um and then talk with you all about the

[6:00] specific elements of the plan that have

[6:03] a lot of overlap with your work and then

[6:06] uh go through next steps.

[6:09] Um so just as a quick general uh project

[6:13] status update, we are planning uh

[6:18] preparing to release the initial draft

[6:20] of the plan which will include the

[6:23] existing conditions inventory that was

[6:26] included in your packet as well as an

[6:29] initial draft uh of recommendations

[6:34] uh and strategies and actions for each

[6:36] of the topic the seven topic areas. uh

[6:39] included in the plan.

[6:44] And

[6:47] so in terms of community engagement for

[6:51] this project, um one of our initial

[6:54] steps was recruiting community members

[6:56] to serve on the downtown ambassador

[6:58] group. And so essentially this is the

[7:02] project steering committee which is made

[7:04] up of 24 community members. We did a

[7:07] broad um casting for applications for

[7:10] this group um and ensured that we had a

[7:14] broad representation of perspectives

[7:16] based on um people's backgrounds and and

[7:20] lived experiences.

[7:21] And so we'll be meeting with this group

[7:24] four times over the course of the

[7:26] project. Thus far we've had three

[7:28] meetings with them and we'll be holding

[7:30] the fourth in August. Um and their main

[7:34] role has been to provide a bit more

[7:36] detailed ongoing input on plan elements

[7:40] as well as to help um city staff engage

[7:43] the broader community and inform our

[7:45] engagement approach.

[7:51] In addition to that, um we hosted a

[7:53] couple of in-person um public walking

[7:56] tours of downtown where we um went to

[8:01] different areas of downtown that have

[8:03] either had recent improvements or have

[8:06] planned improvements uh on the near

[8:09] horizon. Um the one we hosted in

[8:12] February had about 15 participants and

[8:14] the one in March had about 35

[8:16] participants in total. Um and then the

[8:20] past two weeks we also hosted walking

[8:22] tours with um members of city council as

[8:26] well to run through the same route um

[8:28] and share kind of what we've been

[8:30] hearing from the community thus far.

[8:37] And then just in addition to that, we

[8:40] have also been attending various

[8:42] community events um throughout the year

[8:44] uh to also raise awareness about the

[8:46] plan and have had engagement materials

[8:49] at those events to solicit additional

[8:52] input. Um and so we'll be summarizing uh

[8:56] everything that we has been heard um

[8:59] which will be included as a attachment

[9:01] to the final uh downtown sub area plan

[9:04] with more details.

[9:10] So, moving on, I will run through some

[9:13] of the major takeaways uh and provide a

[9:16] little bit more background information

[9:18] about um downtown.

[9:21] So, looking at just population growth um

[9:25] within downtown itself, um as of 2023,

[9:29] there are about 4,800 people living

[9:31] downtown. And as part of our comp plan

[9:35] projections and growth targets, we're

[9:37] anticipating that number to nearly

[9:39] double over the next 20 years. Um,

[9:44] related to that, we have specific

[9:47] housing and job growth targets. So, in

[9:50] order to support that population and

[9:53] economic growth, we're anticipating um

[9:56] just short of 2,000 new housing units

[9:58] within downtown and about 2,000 new

[10:01] jobs.

[10:02] And one thing I'll mention um for the

[10:06] board's awareness is that the city has

[10:10] um submitted downtown to be considered

[10:13] as a King Countywide growth center. Um

[10:17] and so the main benefit of that is it

[10:19] does um make us more competitive for

[10:23] various uh funding that's available for

[10:25] infrastructure improvements. Um and the

[10:29] update we've received thus far is that

[10:31] uh King County staff are recommending

[10:33] approval of that. Um and their board

[10:37] will take action on that decision in

[10:39] September.

[10:47] And then uh when we looked at

[10:50] demographic information for those living

[10:52] in downtown versus citywide, the major

[10:56] differences that we saw were

[10:58] particularly related to age distribution

[11:01] and household incomes. Um so a lot of

[11:05] the households uh living within downtown

[11:08] are young professionals between the age

[11:11] of 20 and 40. you'll see um both of

[11:14] those are quite a bit higher than

[11:17] city-wide averages.

[11:19] Um and then similarly, we see that

[11:23] overall house downtown households tend

[11:26] to earn less um than those citywide. So

[11:31] if you look at the chart on the right,

[11:33] um in particular, one of the biggest

[11:36] gaps is households earning over 200k.

[11:40] Um, but there's also a higher percentage

[11:43] of people living downtown uh of

[11:46] households that earn less than 75K as

[11:50] well. Uh, so this may reflect people

[11:52] that are uh earlier in their careers as

[11:55] well as the um smaller household size

[11:59] within downtown since it is a majority

[12:02] one and twobedroom um units within

[12:05] downtown.

[12:11] So overall in terms of land use and

[12:13] development um you know we're seeing a

[12:16] lot of growth that's expanding beyond

[12:18] the core um past both way as well as

[12:22] along 104.

[12:24] Um

[12:26] the main feedback that we've heard from

[12:28] residents is there is some concern about

[12:30] the scale of recent growth and the stark

[12:33] contrast that exists between some of the

[12:35] newer mixeduse developments and our

[12:38] historic main street. And so really

[12:40] looking at ways we can better blend

[12:43] those two experiences downtown.

[12:46] And then um we'll talk a little bit on

[12:48] some following slides that there are a

[12:51] select number of key re redevelopment

[12:53] sites that are remaining. That was a

[12:56] large impetus for a lot of the

[12:58] redevelopment that occurred over the

[13:00] past 15 years. And so looking forward um

[13:04] we've made an effort to identify those

[13:06] remaining uh redevelopment opportunities

[13:08] as well.

[13:12] um in relation to

[13:14] uh what I mentioned about the

[13:16] differences in uh scale of some of the

[13:20] newer mixeduse buildings and what we

[13:22] typically see along uh the historic main

[13:25] street. Um, we've also identified uh

[13:29] some discrepancies between our existing

[13:32] height limits within the downtown

[13:34] transition area and lower Maidwood

[13:37] Maywood um as part of the comp plan

[13:40] updates last year. The height limit for

[13:43] that zoning district um was increased to

[13:46] 55 ft whereas our existing downtown

[13:50] transition zones are limited to 35 ft.

[13:53] So um as part of the code updates look

[13:56] next year we'll be looking at how we can

[13:59] better um rectify that.

[14:06] Um so on your screen I have a map of the

[14:11] uh residential and mixeduse developments

[14:14] that have occurred since 2009 that are

[14:17] highlighted in brown.

[14:20] And then as I mentioned the uh kind of

[14:24] identified potential remaining

[14:26] opportunity sites are highlighted in

[14:29] pink. The two largest ones uh or most

[14:33] prominent ones being the remaining

[14:35] parcels outside of city hall and the

[14:38] parcels at Triangle Junction which are

[14:40] both undergoing environmental cleanup.

[14:42] And so once that remediation is

[14:45] complete, um there'll be opportunities

[14:48] on those sites um

[14:51] for redevelopment.

[14:55] And so as part of this project, um we

[14:58] have hired a urban design consultant to

[15:01] help us look at a couple of those key

[15:03] opportunity sites in a little more

[15:05] detail and start exploring um what

[15:08] future redevelopment could look like. um

[15:11] particularly based on the elements that

[15:16] um community members have expressed um

[15:19] that they would like to see more of

[15:20] downtown.

[15:27] In terms of housing affordability, um

[15:30] we've seen a lot of housing growth in

[15:32] downtown over the past um 15 years. And

[15:36] as I mentioned, that growth is projected

[15:38] to keep growing over the next 20 years.

[15:42] Um,

[15:43] a large part of this new development has

[15:46] been uh apartment complexes, uh,

[15:49] particularly one to two-bedroom units.

[15:52] Um, and one interesting fact that we

[15:55] found is that 45% of the existing

[15:58] housing stock now was built between 2010

[16:02] and 2019. So, a lot of new development

[16:05] that's occurred recently.

[16:07] And then on the right there, I just have

[16:09] a chart uh breaking down the existing

[16:11] housing types within downtown. And

[16:14] you'll see about 2/3 uh are apartments,

[16:18] 18% single family, and so forth.

[16:26] And then one of the things we looked at

[16:28] was um the rough affordability of

[16:33] renting downtown versus ownership

[16:36] downtown over that same time period from

[16:39] 2013 to 2024. Um, so what we did was

[16:44] compared the median household incomes

[16:46] for each year and compared that with

[16:49] median rents and median mortgage rates.

[16:53] Um, and so that's what that graph on the

[16:55] left hand side is showing. And you'll

[16:57] see that renting in general has been uh

[17:00] much more affordable than ownership

[17:03] options downtown over that period with

[17:06] just a brief portion um around COVID

[17:08] time crossing that 30% threshold. Um and

[17:14] then you'll notice in the figures on the

[17:16] right that they're uh due to the lower

[17:19] household incomes downtown, we also see

[17:21] a higher percentage of renters and

[17:24] homeowners that are cost burdened. So

[17:26] those spending over 30% of their incomes

[17:30] on housing and then uh a high percentage

[17:34] as well are also severely burdened which

[17:36] means that they're spending over 50% of

[17:39] income on housing.

[17:48] And then for downtown specifically, we

[17:50] do have a number of overlays that have

[17:53] um required affordable um that require

[17:57] affordable housing units um within those

[18:00] areas.

[18:01] Um the chart on the right there is our

[18:05] we have specific housing targets based

[18:08] on income bands. So, out of that um

[18:13] 2,000 roughly new housing units that I

[18:16] mentioned over the next 20 years, we're

[18:19] aiming uh to make sure that serves the

[18:23] various um income brackets accordingly.

[18:26] Um so, one of the our main challenges is

[18:29] that our existing affordable uh housing

[18:32] overlays have resulted in some new

[18:34] affordable units. Um, but it's a

[18:36] relatively small percentage that will

[18:40] increase as we see lot P South come

[18:42] online. Um, and the SAM senior

[18:46] apartments are also affordable units

[18:48] that just recently came online. Um, and

[18:52] then in addition to that, uh, we're

[18:53] currently looking at potential revisions

[18:56] to our MFT program and some of the other

[18:58] voluntary incentives um to because those

[19:02] have not been as utilized as we would

[19:04] like.

[19:05] » [snorts]

[19:05] » Um

[19:07] and so meeting our housing targets

[19:10] particularly for those low and very low

[19:12] income bands are really going to take um

[19:15] a lot of effort uh across the board to

[19:18] make happen.

[19:22] looking at uh e economic development as

[19:25] I mentioned um we've seen similar growth

[19:28] in jobs uh and we're projecting about

[19:31] 2,000 more over the next 20 years when

[19:35] we looked at the top sectors based on

[19:39] the number of businesses amount of

[19:42] employees and total sales revenue. um we

[19:45] see that uh downtown has a high

[19:48] concentration of health care services

[19:51] and so that came out on top in all three

[19:53] of those categories. In terms of number

[19:56] of businesses, um the other top

[19:59] categories were professional services,

[20:02] retail and restaurants. The highest

[20:04] number of employees were restaurants,

[20:06] education and government reflecting the

[20:09] high number of uh campus and city uh and

[20:13] other government employees.

[20:15] And then in terms of sale, revenue,

[20:18] retail, uh construction, restaurants and

[20:20] finance followed healthcare.

[20:25] And so downtown is a growing employment

[20:27] and business center. Um typically in

[20:31] terms of foot traffic and activity, we

[20:33] see that it's highest during the day and

[20:35] on weekends. Um so looking at

[20:37] opportunities uh for additional there's

[20:41] a lot of public interest in additional

[20:43] retail entertainment options and dining

[20:46] uh to kind of expand that into the

[20:48] evenings as well.

[20:50] And then um there are some prominent

[20:53] vacancies particularly at the end of

[20:56] Main Street um near Triangle Junction

[20:58] that remain and so working on um once

[21:02] redevelopment of Triangle Junction comes

[21:04] through hoping to fill those as well.

[21:09] And then some of the feedback we heard

[21:10] from local businesses is that they do

[21:12] face challenges related to rising costs,

[21:15] permitting, um, parking availability as

[21:19] well as variable foot traffic.

[21:25] Transportation wise, um, some of the

[21:28] previous investments that the city made

[21:30] had major impacts on downtown and really

[21:33] helped support the redevelopment that

[21:35] occurred over the past 15 years. There

[21:38] are a number of major corridor

[21:41] improvements that are on the horizon,

[21:43] including uh improvements to both way

[21:46] north of uh Reader. [snorts]

[21:50] There's also planned improvements to

[21:52] 102nd, including replacement of the

[21:55] 102nd Avenue Bridge, as well as um

[21:59] widening of that road to accommodate an

[22:03] extension of a shared use path. and then

[22:06] as well along Beardsley Boulevard to

[22:09] help accommodate uh planned BRT routes

[22:11] as well as to create some protected bike

[22:14] facilities along that route.

[22:19] And related to that, the uh upcoming BRT

[22:23] routes are going to have a major impact.

[22:26] Both the um sound transit and community

[22:30] transit lines will be serving um

[22:33] downtown both east to west as well as

[22:36] north south connections

[22:38] um which will help improve some of those

[22:40] connections uh to surrounding regions

[22:43] and destinations.

[22:46] And then one of the most common concerns

[22:48] we heard from residents was uh primarily

[22:51] focused around parking availability

[22:53] downtown. Um, an interesting stat from

[22:57] our economic vitality plan was that uh

[23:01] 10% of visitors downtown live within one

[23:05] mile. So, it's a relatively small

[23:07] percentage while uh roughly half travel

[23:10] for more than 5 miles. So, there is a

[23:14] need to accommodate those visitors. Um,

[23:17] but there we've also heard from

[23:19] residents that they really want to

[23:21] retain the walkability of downtown. So

[23:24] looking at how we balance those two

[23:26] things and and make it accessible to

[23:27] all.

[23:30] And then the other thing we've heard is

[23:31] there's a need for better uh just

[23:34] clearer information and wayfinding about

[23:37] um both parking availability but also um

[23:41] directions to different major facilities

[23:44] um the trails uh and other networks

[23:47] downtown.

[23:51] Um, in terms of parks and open space,

[23:54] uh, downtown has a large concentration

[23:56] of parks and open space. Uh, there's

[23:59] about 74 acres in total. Um, which

[24:02] exceeds the citywide level of service,

[24:06] which is about 3.5 acres per thousand

[24:09] residents, whereas downtown is about 14.

[24:12] Um

[24:14] the one thing to note there is that

[24:16] obviously the downtown uh parks and open

[24:19] spaces serve a much broader audience

[24:21] than just those living within the

[24:23] downtown um sub area itself.

[24:27] And [snorts]

[24:28] uh as part of the pros plan updates,

[24:32] they also conducted an updated walkshed

[24:34] analysis. And we found as part of that

[24:37] that a majority of downtown highlighted

[24:40] in that blue color on the map on your

[24:42] screen is within a 10-minute walking

[24:45] distance of uh some sort of park or open

[24:48] space downtown.

[24:53] And uh one other thing I'll highlight

[24:56] here is that our existing downtown code

[24:59] um does require public open space uh as

[25:03] part of private developments. So,

[25:05] they're privately owned public spaces.

[25:08] An example of which being um the patio

[25:11] on the screen at the Pops apartments.

[25:14] There's a couple of other examples

[25:16] throughout downtown. Um and while this

[25:19] has led to new open space kind of

[25:22] distributed throughout the downtown,

[25:24] there's not a large awareness that these

[25:26] areas are open to the public. And so,

[25:30] um, as part of our efforts moving

[25:32] forward, looking at how we can better

[25:34] encourage, uh, people to utilize these

[25:37] and maybe support, uh, different types

[25:39] of programming as well throughout

[25:42] downtown.

[25:45] And then we do have a section of the

[25:47] plan specifically focused on arts,

[25:49] culture, and historic places. Um, which

[25:52] is primarily where we would, uh, like

[25:54] some feedback from this board. Um some

[25:58] of the major themes that we've heard

[26:00] from community members is that they

[26:03] really value um the existing arts

[26:06] culture and uh historic places that

[26:10] contribute to downtown's identity and

[26:12] sense of place um

[26:15] that and there's interest in expanding

[26:18] those um as we move forward to to

[26:22] increase that. Um, some of the

[26:24] additional things we've heard is that

[26:26] some of the existing regulations for

[26:28] downtown do create challenges for

[26:30] expanding art and cultural programming.

[26:33] Um, one of the examples being uh the

[26:37] expansion of murals like the example on

[26:39] the screen. Um, right now there's not a

[26:43] super clear process for design review uh

[26:46] or allowances for those types of

[26:48] installations. And so really looking at

[26:50] how we potentially streamline that and

[26:52] encourage more business owners

[26:55] particularly on u empty uh building

[27:00] spaces or um vacant frontages to to

[27:04] activate those spaces.

[27:09] And then finally, uh, natural resources

[27:11] and sustainability.

[27:13] Um,

[27:15] in relation to the, uh, large

[27:18] concentration of natural assets

[27:20] downtown,

[27:22] um, we know that projected growth will

[27:25] increase pressure on those systems. And

[27:28] so really looking forward as part of the

[27:31] plan, how we expand existing restoration

[27:34] efforts and integrate green building and

[27:37] design techniques. uh as redevelopment

[27:40] moves forward.

[27:43] So, a couple of items I wanted to just

[27:45] call out for this board specifically

[27:48] um of relevance is that downtown has the

[27:52] highest concentration of historic

[27:54] resources in both. Um, we have the

[27:58] special review area that's highlighted

[28:01] in that green outline that has uh

[28:04] specific uh historic resource uh

[28:08] regulations and architectural

[28:09] requirements.

[28:11] Um, we had an inventory of properties

[28:17] within that area in 2019 that was

[28:20] completed. um and we'll be building upon

[28:23] that as part of the citywide inventory

[28:26] um that you'll get a presentation on

[28:28] tonight. And then also an opportunity um

[28:33] to really highlight that history as part

[28:35] of future arts, cultural and historic

[28:38] programming.

[28:42] Um so some of the things that have come

[28:44] up related to the existing special

[28:47] review area is opportunities to clarify

[28:50] um the guidelines versus requirements

[28:52] within there and making it a bit um

[28:56] leaning more on the requirement side to

[28:58] make it more of a uh uh

[29:03] more predictable uh

[29:07] process for developers. Um and then

[29:11] process to improve the consistency

[29:14] between that particular section and our

[29:17] wider historic preservation standards in

[29:19] title 22. Um as well as to clarify some

[29:23] of the distinctions between different

[29:26] types of development within this area

[29:29] between new development versus whether

[29:31] it's infill or restoration or small

[29:34] remodels.

[29:37] And then, as I mentioned, there was the

[29:40] 2019 inventory study, um, feasibility

[29:43] study that was done to look at the

[29:46] potential for a historic district within

[29:49] downtown rather than individually

[29:52] designated properties. And so, um, just

[29:55] a quick synop synopsis of the findings

[29:58] from that were that, uh, a historic

[30:01] district could potentially, uh, be

[30:03] established between both way and 104th

[30:06] Avenue. when they looked at the

[30:10] eligibility of the properties within

[30:13] that um special review area, there's 24

[30:17] individually eligible properties and

[30:19] about 34

[30:21] um that could be considered contributing

[30:24] properties for a historic district. Um

[30:29] I'm not sure how much of this has been

[30:31] talked through with this board

[30:33] previously. Um, but the potential

[30:38] benefits from my understanding are that

[30:40] it does relax some of that eligibility

[30:43] criteria when you do pursue a historic

[30:46] district rather than individually

[30:48] designated sites. Um, and does open up

[30:51] available funding to help support upkeep

[30:53] and re rehabilitation of some of those

[30:56] more historic structures.

[31:02] And then finally, as mentioned, um we

[31:04] have several existing um art

[31:07] installations that really highlight

[31:09] both's history. And so looking at

[31:11] opportunities moving forward um to

[31:14] expand that um throughout throughout

[31:18] downtown.

[31:21] And so I know that was a lot of content.

[31:24] So I'll stop there just if there are any

[31:28] particular questions or comments on some

[31:32] of the material I just covered. Um

[31:35] before talking about kind of next steps.

[31:42] Uh Ray Thomas, uh my question would be

[31:45] uh you in referring to affordability,

[31:49] you um mentioned the

[31:52] » It won't let me raise my hand.

[31:58] Well,

[32:02] » Um

[32:04] the you mentioned the efforts that that

[32:07] be might be required to meet some of

[32:10] those targets and I was wondering what

[32:13] kind of efforts

[32:15] you know might be conceived of or

[32:18] considered there. Um

[32:21] Ray, do you want to jump in at all?

[32:24] Yeah.

[32:30] Yes, I can speak a little more to that

[32:32] as the project manager for the housing

[32:34] action plan. Um, and so several efforts

[32:37] are being taken to work on affordable

[32:39] housing. As Cameron mentioned, we have a

[32:41] LAP project which we worked with ARCH

[32:43] who is our um main affordable housing

[32:46] provider for East King County. We lined

[32:48] up several state and nonprofit grants to

[32:50] make that project feasible. um seeing

[32:53] that um that those units are

[32:55] significantly below market rate. Also,

[32:57] our multif family tax exemption program

[32:59] is a tax exempt program that helps

[33:02] developers um build multif family units

[33:05] um in exchange for providing deeply

[33:07] affordable units. And lastly is our

[33:10] zoning code. So, we have a few mandatory

[33:13] overlays in that um in the map as you

[33:15] can see there. But we also expanded our

[33:18] code to allow for voluntary affordable

[33:21] um housing creation. So developers can

[33:24] voluntarily choose to opt in and in

[33:27] exchange receive um increased density or

[33:29] increased height depending on where they

[33:30] choose. So it's a multi-pronged approach

[33:32] to addressing the um affordable housing

[33:36] shortage that we're hoping will provide

[33:38] will help us create the units that we

[33:40] need for the next 20 years.

[33:44] And uh just for reference, the voluntary

[33:49] um incentives and height increases, uh

[33:52] the diagram on the left shows uh those

[33:55] for each of the respective zoning

[33:58] districts downtown there.

[34:02] » Uh Vicki, do you have a question or

[34:11] » Can you hear me? Yes, [clears throat] we

[34:13] can.

[34:16] » Oh, good. I'm sorry. I'm I have a very

[34:20] strange uh internet and it's very slow.

[34:23] So, a lot of the meeting froze on me and

[34:26] then it dropped me. So, I'm back in for

[34:27] the moment. Um

[34:30] two two items. [clears throat] One is

[34:33] you're you're looking at the the

[34:35] heights.

[34:36] Um there I hope it's still in the record

[34:40] because it's almost 20 years ago we

[34:42] reviewed Heights downtown.

[34:46] And

[34:48] the other item is when you were

[34:50] discussing the historic district that

[34:52] has actually been in the landmark

[34:54] board's agenda and discussions

[34:58] since 1994.

[35:00] And

[35:03] while we would love to see that and

[35:06] would love to have our

[35:10] um title 22

[35:13] amanable to that

[35:16] we have had push back on a number of

[35:20] fronts

[35:21] uh related to property owners related to

[35:24] well that's been in particular um

[35:27] related to the city council and related

[35:30] to um local developers. Um it it's been

[35:36] on three fronts. So if we can move past

[35:40] some of those that would be amazing and

[35:44] I would really love to be in on the

[35:46] discussions for that because we have had

[35:49] this

[35:51] uh as something that the landmark board

[35:54] has wanted to be behind for a very long

[35:58] time. That puts it at about 32 years. Um

[36:04] I mean otherwise I I really appreciate

[36:08] the work that's been done on this and

[36:11] bringing it forward in this way with

[36:15] community input. I've been part of the

[36:18] groups who have done this community

[36:19] input too and

[36:24] it's

[36:26] I I would really like to see how we can

[36:30] involve this in our title 22 and making

[36:33] our title 22 a little more flexible to

[36:36] facilitate it and but at the same time

[36:40] I'm not talking about facilitating

[36:47] multiple increased heights that just

[36:50] essentially dissolve our downtown. We

[36:53] have four blocks here

[36:56] that are some of the re main reasons

[36:59] people want to live in both. They like

[37:02] having a historic downtown.

[37:09] That's it for the moment. Ray, thanks.

[37:12] » Thank you, Vicki. Um, I just wanted to

[37:14] follow up in terms of uh has has there

[37:18] been outreach to property owners um

[37:24] in the area to facilitate

[37:27] low-income housing and um and even

[37:31] parking uh facilities. Um I'm I'm

[37:34] thinking specifically of my church which

[37:36] is Both First Lutheran. We don't have a

[37:38] huge parking lot compared to some

[37:40] churches, but it's substantial. And I

[37:43] don't know, you know, we would need a

[37:46] lot of help. We couldn't probably raise

[37:48] funds like the uh the Methodist church

[37:51] did to uh initiate their project uh

[37:56] ideas, but um we do have the space

[37:59] there. And I think the property uh um

[38:05] committee um has talked about um a

[38:11] parking garage. Um I've talked with some

[38:13] of them about a parking garage with

[38:15] housing, affordable housing or human

[38:18] services. I think we downtown human

[38:21] services will be online pretty well when

[38:25] um uh when the urban project gets

[38:28] completed. But um that is a resource I I

[38:32] think the city should consider that um

[38:36] churches are are you know facing a lot

[38:39] of change but they're also open to a lot

[38:42] of change. So I think there's again

[38:45] sometimes it's timing. Uh you speak to

[38:47] the right people at the right time so

[38:49] that it's heard. But um I I just put

[38:52] that in your tickler file at least.

[38:58] » Yeah. Thank you very much both of you.

[38:59] Um that was really helpful context. um

[39:02] Vicki and then yeah, to my knowledge, um

[39:07] there hasn't been that level of outreach

[39:10] to surrounding property owners, but I'm

[39:12] sure council would be interested if

[39:14] there are additional opportunities

[39:16] downtown for um either similar projects

[39:19] to lot P or um you know, other types. Uh

[39:24] so that's definitely something we can

[39:26] look into.

[39:32] I'm not seeing any other hands raised.

[39:35] Um,

[39:37] I would just say thank you very much. I

[39:40] was very pleased. Uh some of you may

[39:42] know I wasn't very happy at the meeting

[39:44] last night at city council with the um

[39:48] uh lack of mention either by the arts um

[39:54] commission um or in uh some of the

[39:59] planning as where uh

[40:04] historic preservation, historic cultural

[40:07] recognition

[40:08] uh fits in. I think um you documented

[40:14] the desire for that at least here. I I

[40:17] don't know how deep that runs and what

[40:19] the council's commitment to it will be,

[40:21] but um I appreciate seeing it noted

[40:24] here. Thank you.

[40:29] » Um if there's no other questions, I did

[40:32] just want to briefly mention um kind of

[40:35] next steps on this project. Um so as

[40:38] mentioned we will be releasing uh the

[40:40] full draft including existing conditions

[40:43] and recommendations within the next

[40:45] couple of weeks. Um, and then I'd like

[40:48] to invite everyone. Um, we'll be hosting

[40:52] a public open house on Wednesday, July

[40:55] 22nd here in council chambers. Um, where

[40:59] people will have an opportunity to learn

[41:01] more about um, what we've heard from the

[41:03] community, the draft recommendations,

[41:06] and be able to provide more input um, if

[41:09] we've missed anything. Um

[41:14] and then uh the goal being after that

[41:17] would be to take all feedback uh that we

[41:20] hear over the summer, work that into

[41:22] revising the plan, and then that will

[41:24] come back um to the board's plan

[41:27] commission and city council for final

[41:29] review and approval later this year.

[41:38] » Thank you. I've had that public meeting

[41:40] on uh my calendar for some weeks. So,

[41:44] thank you again for mentioning it. I

[41:46] think it's important people be there and

[41:49] go over those things, ask questions, and

[41:52] uh be prepared to bring comments to the

[41:56] planning commission or planning

[41:58] department and the planning commission

[42:00] and the council.

[42:05] Are there any other questions or

[42:07] concerns?

[42:16] Well, thank you again for the

[42:17] presentation. Um,

[42:30] I would like to introduce um Chris Anne

[42:33] Beckner and Lauren Waldrup with

[42:38] historical research associates

[42:40] incorporated who will give a briefing on

[42:42] the both survey update.

[42:45] Hello.

[42:46] » Hi, thank you so much. Thank you for

[42:48] having us this evening. Um, I'm really

[42:50] glad we got to hear that presentation.

[42:52] Thank you so much for having us here for

[42:54] that.

[42:55] Um, I am Chris Anne. I'm an

[42:57] architectural historian with Historical

[42:59] Research Associates. And as you

[43:01] mentioned, my colleague Lauren Waldrup

[43:03] is here as well. And we just wanted to

[43:06] take the opportunity to introduce you to

[43:08] historical research associates and to

[43:10] ourselves and to the both city survey.

[43:13] Um, we have a quick slide presentation,

[43:16] but please let us know if you have

[43:17] questions as we run through these.

[43:21] Make sure that I can share this.

[43:28] Can everybody see the presentation?

[43:30] » Yes.

[43:32] » Very good. Thank you.

[43:35] All right. So, we are from Historical

[43:37] Research Associates. We are a cultural

[43:39] resources management firm. We are your

[43:41] new cultural resources management firm

[43:43] and we're going to be joining

[43:46] the city of both in some survey and

[43:48] inventory. Um we just heard a lot about

[43:50] your downtown and the survey that was

[43:51] done there. It'll be interesting to look

[43:53] at other parts of both and add to the

[43:55] data that you already have.

[44:00] So a little bit about HR. Um, we like to

[44:03] think we make the past accessible

[44:05] through the collaborative,

[44:07] equitable,

[44:09] and principled practice of cultural

[44:11] resources management. We also in do a

[44:14] lot of history projects and provide a

[44:15] lot of effective solutions for our

[44:17] clients in our communities. Um, HR has

[44:20] been around since 1974 and you can see

[44:22] all those little icons. We are primarily

[44:24] in the Northwest, but we do have

[44:25] satellite offices throughout the

[44:27] country. Uh we are currently a

[44:28] woman-owned small business and we

[44:30] provide consulting services in CRM,

[44:33] litigation support, historical research,

[44:35] interpretive services and we have a new

[44:37] program we call AIRS the aerial imagery

[44:39] and remote sensing services program.

[44:43] We are really proud we have a a

[44:44] reputation for excellence and we have

[44:46] expertise in our fields and we really

[44:48] love when we get to provide historical

[44:50] architectural and archaeological studies

[44:52] to clients. Um, a lot of our clients are

[44:54] in the private, local, state, and

[44:56] federal uh, regulatory nexuses,

[44:59] contexts, but we also work with leaders

[45:02] in transportation, education, energy,

[45:04] and public and private development.

[45:08] Uh, just a quick rundown of the services

[45:10] we provide. The cultural resources

[45:12] management division, that's me and

[45:13] Lauren and a lot of other people. Uh we

[45:15] do architectural studies, archaeological

[45:17] studies and that usually is in the

[45:19] support of um projects that are being

[45:21] reviewed under federal regulations,

[45:23] sometimes state and local regulations as

[45:24] well. The aerial imagery and remote

[45:27] sensing services. They are our cutting

[45:30] edge technology team and they're using

[45:32] everything from magnetic radiometry, um

[45:36] LAR, photoggramometry in the air through

[45:39] the use of drones to get a better

[45:40] understanding of what's above ground,

[45:42] below ground from all viewpoints.

[45:46] We also do litigation support. We work a

[45:48] lot with um cases and we do a lot of the

[45:51] research that supports litigation. So

[45:54] our histories delve into detailed

[45:55] historical investigations and we supply

[45:57] clients with accurate and contextrich

[46:00] information for a variety of needs from

[46:02] academic research to public history

[46:04] projects. We also do public history that

[46:06] is sort of our interpretive specialist

[46:08] arm. Um, so we provide inform

[46:10] informative histories outside the

[46:12] traditional classroom setting and we

[46:14] like to help our clients really tell

[46:16] their stories creatively. So that's sort

[46:18] of what our public history arm does.

[46:22] And then for the both city survey, I

[46:24] just wanted to share with you our team a

[46:26] little bit about who we are and who

[46:27] supports us. Um, your primary contracts

[46:30] will be myself, Chrisanne Beckner, and

[46:32] my colleague Lauren, who's also on this

[46:33] call. Um, we both have master's degrees

[46:36] in architectural history. mine from the

[46:38] University of Oregon in 2009 and

[46:41] Laurens's from the University of Georgia

[46:43] in 2017. We're both SOI qualified. Um I

[46:47] manage H's architectural history program

[46:49] across all of our offices and Lauren has

[46:51] been working in our Seattle office with

[46:52] us since 2020.

[46:55] Just briefly, we have a lot of people

[46:57] who are supporting us in many

[46:58] administrative ways. A few of them

[47:00] that'll be working with us on this

[47:01] project are listed here below. We have

[47:04] Jen Getart who's our logistics

[47:05] coordinator. She helps get us get get us

[47:07] into the field. Uh we have Jen Gilpin

[47:09] who who is our health and safety manager

[47:12] and she makes sure that we are always

[47:13] safe in the field. We have a health and

[47:15] safety plan for every one of our

[47:17] projects. We have Gabe Frasier who is

[47:19] our GIS coordinator and he also works

[47:22] really closely with Lauren, one of our

[47:24] GIS experts, our mapping experts. So

[47:27] she's really a fantastic asset on this

[47:29] project. And then Don Vogel is our

[47:32] editor and publications coordinator.

[47:34] Everything that we do at H goes through

[47:36] an intensive tech review process,

[47:39] editing, production support, etc. to

[47:41] make sure you get deliverables that are

[47:43] accurate and complete and perfect.

[47:49] A little more about us. Um, again, I'm

[47:51] Chris. I joined H in 2013. Um, I

[47:55] specialize in program and project

[47:56] management, architectural and survey and

[47:59] inventory, which I've been doing for a

[48:00] long time, and then cultural resources

[48:02] reporting generally under local, state,

[48:04] and federal regulations. I prepare

[48:07] survey and inventory reports, historic

[48:09] property inventory forms and wizard,

[48:11] nominations to local, state, and

[48:13] national registers of historic places,

[48:15] multiple property documents, HABs hair

[48:18] documentation, historic contexts,

[48:20] historic landscape reports, mitigation

[48:22] documentation. Basically, any of the

[48:23] ways that we interact with the built

[48:25] environment, we do the reporting for.

[48:27] Um, as I mentioned, Lauren joined us in

[48:29] 2020, and I'd like to give her a minute

[48:30] to introduce herself. If we can unmute

[48:33] her.

[48:36] » Yeah, I was I can do that. Um, my name

[48:39] is Lauren Waldrup and I moved up to the

[48:42] Pacific Northwest in 2020 and I started

[48:44] working with HA and um, since then I've

[48:49] been able to do work in several states

[48:51] in the Pacific Northwest. Um, but I

[48:54] generally specialize in architectural

[48:56] survey and inventory field and archival

[48:59] research. um mapping requests usually

[49:03] actually I was taking pictures of the

[49:05] his potential historic districts maps

[49:07] earlier um and cultural resources

[49:11] reporting um and I think that yeah that

[49:16] kind of covers it.

[49:18] » Thank you Lauren. So uh Lauren and I

[49:20] work really closely together. We've been

[49:21] a team on multiple projects. I have

[49:23] literally evaluated thousands of

[49:25] resources in Washington. Um I think

[49:27] Lauren's closing in on that as well.

[49:29] We're going to be your two contacts.

[49:31] We're going to be the people working

[49:32] most closely on this project. Um because

[49:34] Lauren is so great at GIS, we're going

[49:36] to have excellent maps along with really

[49:38] well done um reporting on all of our

[49:40] survey results.

[49:45] Okay. Are you seeing the presentation,

[49:48] may I ask, or are you seeing Lauren?

[49:50] » We're seeing the presentation.

[49:52] » Okay. Very good. Thank you very much.

[49:54] Okay. Um, so we have had a chance to

[49:57] kick this project off, but we are still

[49:59] just getting started and I did sort of

[50:01] want to give you an idea of what our

[50:03] discussions have been like. Um, so far

[50:05] we've refined the goals for this project

[50:07] in conversation with the city of both

[50:09] and um, the list of them is here. I'll

[50:11] just run through them quickly. We want

[50:14] to identify any inaccurate or outdated

[50:17] wizard data for our survey population.

[50:20] We want to conduct survey and inventory

[50:22] of 100 previously undocumented

[50:25] resources. These will be resources that

[50:26] don't have inventory forms and haven't

[50:28] been part of previous studies.

[50:31] We want to conduct a windshield survey

[50:33] or an integrity check of an additional

[50:35] 100 resources that have already been

[50:37] surveyed. Perhaps they were surveyed in

[50:39] an initial um survey report, but nobody

[50:42] has necessarily taken a look at them in

[50:44] the last little while. We want to make

[50:46] sure that you have up-to-date data

[50:47] regarding those resources. primarily um

[50:50] as it relates to integrity.

[50:52] And then we want to keep you informed.

[50:54] We want to stay in communication with

[50:56] you and with city staff and make sure

[50:57] that we're answering your questions and

[50:59] learning from you while we go on.

[51:02] So the approach that we put together and

[51:03] this was done in conversation. We had a

[51:05] really wonderful kickoff meeting and we

[51:06] sort of discussed what the goals of the

[51:08] survey were and how we could get there.

[51:10] So the these are sort of the approaches

[51:12] that Lauren and I are going to go

[51:14] through. We really want to understand

[51:15] the context for this study. So, we're

[51:18] reviewing past architectural inventories

[51:20] and wizard records and King and Snomish

[51:22] County tax assessor data. We're looking

[51:25] his at historic maps and aerials, local

[51:28] histories, other city of both records.

[51:30] As Lauren mentioned, the material that

[51:32] was being discussed earlier, um the

[51:34] downtown plan, that's going to be

[51:35] something we're going to take a close

[51:37] look at because one of our goals is to

[51:39] understand not just historic resources

[51:41] that haven't received documentation, but

[51:44] how that intersects with sort of the

[51:46] planning pressures that we hear you're

[51:48] facing. We know that development is

[51:49] happening in both. We want to get you

[51:51] good data for areas that maybe haven't

[51:52] been studied as well. So we'll be doing

[51:55] some land use mapping to identify areas

[51:57] of increased development pressure

[51:59] especially those that have minimal

[52:00] documentation for that reconnaissance

[52:02] level survey and inventory we want to do

[52:04] of 100 resources. So just to talk about

[52:07] those two phases that reconnaissance

[52:09] level survey will target 100 previously

[52:11] undocumented resources within those

[52:13] areas facing increased development

[52:15] pressure.

[52:17] within that 100. We also really wanted

[52:19] to give some attention to a number of

[52:21] resources that were identified

[52:22] previously that have really important

[52:24] cultural

[52:26] um associations. Uh there was a study

[52:28] done fairly recently and the data has

[52:29] just been shared with us. So that's

[52:31] going to be at least four of our

[52:32] hundred. We want to take a close look at

[52:34] those and see if they would be eligible

[52:36] for listing at the local, state or

[52:37] national level.

[52:40] For that 100 resource survey, we thought

[52:42] we should focus our attention on those

[52:44] resources that are likely to be eligible

[52:46] for their architectural character. So

[52:48] under National Register criterion C or

[52:50] both landmark designation criteria C, D

[52:52] or E for their architectural

[52:54] significance.

[52:56] For the windshield survey, we want to

[52:58] take a look at additional that that 100

[53:00] previously surveyed resources that

[53:02] require updated surveyed data. And for

[53:05] those we're going to focus on updating

[53:06] inaccurate or outdated data and updating

[53:09] eligibility recommendations based on

[53:11] existing conditions. So giving that

[53:13] integrity check. And part of our goal

[53:15] also is to share this information with

[53:17] the state so that Wizard is updated. We

[53:19] understand that the city of both has an

[53:21] important relationship with Wizard. You

[53:23] need that data be to be accurate. So we

[53:24] want to support you in getting the best

[53:26] data into the state's database. Um the

[53:29] deliverable will be a survey report as

[53:32] well as 200 HPIs. 100 of them will be

[53:35] new. 100 of them will be updates to

[53:37] previously recorded resources.

[53:47] We have roughed in a schedule. Um our

[53:49] period of performance goes until the end

[53:51] of December 2027. So we have about a

[53:53] year and a half for this work. As I

[53:55] mentioned, we had our kickoff meeting at

[53:56] the end of June, and that's where we

[53:58] discuss these goals and the approach

[53:59] with the city of both. Uh we want to

[54:02] keep you updated, as I said. So, we'll

[54:03] be sending monthly uh project reports to

[54:06] the city, and we will be checking in

[54:08] with the Landmark Preservation Board and

[54:10] sharing our results with you pro

[54:12] probably about this time next year.

[54:15] I'm just kind of roughing in our work

[54:16] plan for July and August of this summer.

[54:18] We'll be reviewing all that archival

[54:20] data that we talked about and we want to

[54:22] get to a list of resources for survey.

[54:24] Um it is hard to narrow down to a 100

[54:28] resources of both types. So that's where

[54:30] we're going to be using mass uh mapping

[54:32] and previously prepared reports. For

[54:34] instance, we know we're not going to

[54:35] work in the downtown area because that's

[54:37] already been so well documented. So

[54:38] we're going to look for other areas that

[54:40] have not received the same attention in

[54:41] the past.

[54:43] We think our fieldwork effort will

[54:45] likely take about a week sometime in the

[54:47] August September area depending on how

[54:49] quickly we can get a survey population

[54:51] finalized.

[54:53] And then we'll also be doing some

[54:54] research at the Washington State

[54:56] Archives during that time because as you

[54:58] guys know they have the most amazing

[55:00] photographic collection, historic

[55:01] photographic collection of some some of

[55:03] the buildings in our area.

[55:06] The draft survey report we think will

[55:08] probably be drafted around April 2027

[55:10] and that'll go through city review

[55:11] before it comes to you guys and then

[55:14] hopefully we will have a final survey

[55:17] report and those inventory forms for

[55:19] your review about this time next year.

[55:21] We will probably we probably will do the

[55:23] reporting first and save the inventory

[55:26] forms until they've gone through review

[55:28] since as you guys may know working in

[55:29] Wizard can be challenging. So we want to

[55:31] get them right the first time. Want to

[55:32] get them reviewed perfect and then

[55:34] they'll be moved. migrated into DPS

[55:36] wizard database.

[55:41] And that's just a quick review, a quick

[55:43] introduction. I'd love to answer

[55:44] questions or tell you more if I can.

[55:53] Ray, I have a comment.

[55:56] Of course,

[55:57] » Go ahead, Vicki.

[56:01] » Um, okay. this. First off, yes, this is

[56:05] so great that we're getting the

[56:07] inventory updated. It's been several

[56:09] years and a

[56:13] Oh, goodness. Without the inventory

[56:15] updated, we're behind on a number of

[56:18] things because that's one of our premier

[56:21] mandates for what we do. That said, this

[56:25] is the first time that I recall since 92

[56:29] that the inventory has gone um outside

[56:35] the um the landmark board. We were the

[56:40] ones who literally used our budgets to

[56:42] pay for the inventory and the upgrades.

[56:46] Uh I have participated in doing parts of

[56:49] the inventory as have a number of our

[56:52] staff people. Um, I see some really good

[56:58] things on that, particularly related to

[57:00] using Wizard and and being able to um

[57:04] well, frankly, doing an inventory has

[57:07] been updated and upgraded since

[57:10] uh in leaps and bounds since we were

[57:13] doing literally our paper

[57:15] fill-in-theblank inventories

[57:18] in 92

[57:20] to 94.

[57:23] That said, when you mention that you're

[57:25] not going to come before the landmark

[57:27] board and update us for till next year,

[57:31] um I would really like to to see a

[57:34] review of that because we have been a

[57:37] part of the inventories

[57:40] and it's part of our our uh

[57:45] whole

[57:47] it's it's the basis for a lot of what we

[57:51] do and a lot of the projects that we do

[57:54] over time um

[57:57] waiting till next year for an inventory

[58:00] update is

[58:02] just I I just don't find it tenable for

[58:06] what we do frankly. Now that said, um we

[58:11] know and have had it

[58:14] uh under study on the landmark board for

[58:16] at least 15 years to get a really good

[58:21] survey of our mid-century modern

[58:24] properties.

[58:26] And I didn't hear any word about that at

[58:29] all. We have reviewed and

[58:33] gone through those properties that have

[58:36] been eligible up to about 15 years ago.

[58:41] Um the be Yeah. Because it's about 2015

[58:45] to 2018.

[58:47] Um

[58:49] and then we started realizing that we

[58:52] need to look at those mid-century

[58:54] moderns and we have some uh we've lost a

[58:58] couple. We've lost a couple of public

[59:00] buildings that were um

[59:04] would have been eligible for not just

[59:07] both

[59:08] um

[59:10] landmark list and then there was some

[59:14] that truly would have been eligible for

[59:16] the state and national.

[59:18] We were able to get one on the national.

[59:20] That was that's been incredible.

[59:23] But again, you need to work with us.

[59:27] This is part of what we do. I'm really

[59:31] glad we're getting

[59:33] um

[59:35] getting the list updated by people who

[59:38] really know what they're doing, but at

[59:41] the same time, we're pretty

[59:42] knowledgeable, too. And

[59:47] yeah, that's that's my comment for now

[59:49] on this. This is also

[59:53] the first time that I've heard a

[59:55] complete uh

[59:58] set of what your goals and what your

[1:00:00] intents are and generally I would have

[1:00:03] heard that a fair while ago and we would

[1:00:09] previously

[1:00:11] been involved in those people that we

[1:00:14] hired to do it if we went outside.

[1:00:17] Thank you.

[1:00:25] If I can just respond, Vicki, I'd very

[1:00:27] much like to learn from you and and talk

[1:00:30] with you and pick your brains and

[1:00:32] understand better what work you've done

[1:00:34] and what your priorities are. I didn't

[1:00:35] mean to suggest that would be our only

[1:00:37] opportunity to work with you, just that

[1:00:40] we wanted to target that time frame. Um,

[1:00:44] but we can we can hopefully stay in

[1:00:46] conversation throughout the process.

[1:00:49] Great. We're available.

[1:01:00] I'm going to ask a a

[1:01:06] question. Uh, and I'm not sure whether

[1:01:09] Ry or Adam may be in a better position

[1:01:12] to answer this. Um, but I would like it

[1:01:15] in the record. Um, why are we doing this

[1:01:19] survey?

[1:01:26] » I I can answer. Uh, for staff, uh, the

[1:01:30] the survey update has been on on the

[1:01:33] list of of items to be completed for for

[1:01:36] a while. This was part of a budget

[1:01:38] request that staff put into council as

[1:01:41] part of the current bienium. Um, council

[1:01:45] approved that. That was the that was the

[1:01:48] only additional that was the only budget

[1:01:50] item for community development that was

[1:01:52] approved for the 20 2526 bienium budget.

[1:01:57] Um, and it's it has been on the work

[1:02:00] plan since I started a couple years ago

[1:02:03] to make sure that it is completed. Um,

[1:02:06] so that is that is the um the short

[1:02:10] answer for why are we doing this now?

[1:02:12] it's been on the list and the funding

[1:02:14] was allocated from council to

[1:02:18] go forward.

[1:02:19] » Uh I understand why we're doing it now.

[1:02:22] I'm I'm asking the broader question in

[1:02:24] the scope of

[1:02:27] landmarks preservation, historic

[1:02:29] preservation. Why are we doing this? Is

[1:02:32] the city required to do this? Are there

[1:02:36] legal requirements in terms of our

[1:02:39] relationship with the state, with the

[1:02:42] federal government?

[1:02:45] Is it just a matter of interest that we

[1:02:48] do this? Um

[1:02:51] I' I've actually had people when asked

[1:02:54] the question of, well, what properties

[1:02:57] are eligible for a register? I say,

[1:02:59] well, anything that's 50 years or more

[1:03:02] older. Uh people are amazed at that

[1:03:06] because for a lot of people, especially

[1:03:08] in my age group, that's not too long ago

[1:03:10] and those homes aren't very old uh in

[1:03:13] our minds at least. They're also not

[1:03:16] very significant. So I guess what I'm

[1:03:19] looking at is the sort of historical

[1:03:22] context of why we do this.

[1:03:26] » Yeah. Yeah, I mean I think you know

[1:03:28] within the the comprehensive plan and

[1:03:30] the the cultural and historic element

[1:03:33] the the goals and policies within there

[1:03:36] guide and and the work through the comp

[1:03:38] plan the multi-year comp plan work

[1:03:40] guided us to recognize we should look to

[1:03:44] see what is out there. Um, as you said,

[1:03:47] just because a building is old doesn't

[1:03:49] doesn't mean it has any um it may have

[1:03:52] value to certain individuals, but it may

[1:03:54] be one of

[1:03:56] a thousand of the same house, right? Um,

[1:04:00] but utilizing this opportunity to to

[1:04:03] confirm what is out there, what truly

[1:04:06] should rise to, you know, up on the

[1:04:08] list. um to kind of

[1:04:14] get rid of some of the the the white

[1:04:16] noise, the background noise of I think

[1:04:18] the the 9,300 structures that are out

[1:04:21] there that technically meet that

[1:04:23] 50-year, but what how should we focus

[1:04:25] this where we know we have some

[1:04:27] information on several structures

[1:04:29] already.

[1:04:31] um wanting to make sure that we're we're

[1:04:33] fulfilling that commitment within those

[1:04:36] policies of the comp plan to

[1:04:40] uh attempt to at least create a a a

[1:04:44] process or at least a an an inventory

[1:04:46] and a list to work from. Without that,

[1:04:49] we don't know what's out there. It's

[1:04:50] just oh, we might we might find

[1:04:53] something. Um but being proactive is

[1:04:56] really the the best way to look at this.

[1:05:00] And

[1:05:04] do we benefit in our relationships with

[1:05:06] the state

[1:05:08] um historical, archaeological, and uh um

[1:05:13] office uh or the federal uh landmarks

[1:05:18] preservation historic preservation

[1:05:20] offices.

[1:05:22] There's nothing within the the code that

[1:05:25] I'm aware of that identifies there's a

[1:05:27] requirement to do this inventory. Um

[1:05:32] but again it it is intended to be uh a

[1:05:36] helpful step in continuing to understand

[1:05:38] what is out there um what was out there

[1:05:43] and how does that help inform

[1:05:46] how we

[1:05:48] evaluate and and proceed forward with

[1:05:53] historic preservation of of buildings?

[1:05:57] Um is it all connected with the um

[1:06:01] certification of the city um to

[1:06:04] participate as a certified local

[1:06:06] government program?

[1:06:10] I understand we have that uh contract or

[1:06:14] at least um

[1:06:16] recognition from the state um historical

[1:06:19] preservation officer.

[1:06:22] To the best of my knowledge, um, COG

[1:06:24] communities are not required to do

[1:06:27] historic inventories, but are highly

[1:06:29] encouraged and the majority end up doing

[1:06:31] historic inventories as COG grants can

[1:06:33] be used to pay for that. Um, and also,

[1:06:36] um, it just adds to the repertoire of

[1:06:37] knowledge that a community has.

[1:06:42] Thank you both. I think you have covered

[1:06:44] it well there and I appreciate having in

[1:06:48] the record um because the public is not

[1:06:51] well informed about why we do these

[1:06:54] things and why it's important. So I

[1:06:56] appreciate that

[1:06:59] and uh thank you both

[1:07:02] oops excuse me. Thank you both for your

[1:07:04] presentation. Um are there any other

[1:07:06] questions?

[1:07:09] I also would reiterate I would love to

[1:07:11] see some communication opportunities uh

[1:07:15] before uh spring of 27. Thank you.

[1:07:20] » We will make sure that we stay in

[1:07:22] contact with you and and get in touch

[1:07:23] before 2027, late 2027. Um I don't have

[1:07:27] any questions at this time though I

[1:07:29] think we are really still in the data

[1:07:30] gathering stage. If you guys have

[1:07:32] information that you think would help us

[1:07:34] with this process of of identifying a

[1:07:36] survey population, we would love to

[1:07:40] receive, review,

[1:07:42] have any of that information to help us

[1:07:44] make some decisions. Um,

[1:07:47] that's the only thing that I would

[1:07:48] request is that if you have information

[1:07:50] you think we could use, please share.

[1:07:57] » Very good. Thank you again.

[1:08:01] Thank you. We appreciate the time.

[1:08:07] » Does the city staff have any reports or

[1:08:10] announcements?

[1:08:12] » Only announcement from staff. Uh the two

[1:08:16] new members for the Landmark

[1:08:17] Preservation Board will be um

[1:08:22] sworn in or or approved by council uh

[1:08:27] scheduled to be done on the 14th. So,

[1:08:29] next Tuesday, um it is on on the agenda

[1:08:34] for for them to be um brought into the

[1:08:38] board. And so, they would they would

[1:08:40] join us uh in September for the next

[1:08:43] regularly scheduled meeting. We don't

[1:08:46] have any items currently on the agenda

[1:08:48] for the September meeting. Um if the

[1:08:51] board has any items that you would like

[1:08:52] to include, you can let staff know. Um

[1:08:57] it's a it's a a ways out, but uh um

[1:09:02] yeah, we just don't we don't have

[1:09:04] anything on on the list at this point.

[1:09:08] Thank you.

[1:09:14] Does any board member have anything to

[1:09:17] report or directly related to official

[1:09:19] business of the board? uh directly

[1:09:22] related to historic preservation efforts

[1:09:24] in the city of both or our future

[1:09:26] agenda.

[1:09:36] Um not seeing any hands here. Um I do

[1:09:41] have a couple of things um

[1:09:44] in terms of um just my taking over as

[1:09:48] the chair. Um, I I will be assuming uh

[1:09:53] the responsibilities uh to coordinate

[1:09:56] the creation of the agenda um as

[1:09:59] stipulated in our bylaws uh for the

[1:10:01] meeting. Um and uh adding any items that

[1:10:06] um other board members uh may suggest.

[1:10:10] Um, I uh may take the prerogative uh

[1:10:14] under the bylaws uh to call special

[1:10:18] meetings um as we work toward looking at

[1:10:21] the code and provisions of the Landmarks

[1:10:24] Preservation Board. Um

[1:10:30] uh

[1:10:33] at this point um I will simply just say

[1:10:36] that I hope to create uh working with

[1:10:39] staff u a number of uh subcommittees or

[1:10:43] task force that would reach out to uh

[1:10:46] the planning commission, the arts

[1:10:49] commission, um the um

[1:10:54] both historic

[1:10:56] uh museum board um and possibly others

[1:11:00] as suggested. Um so that we have a

[1:11:03] working group to communicate more

[1:11:05] effectively with these uh organizations

[1:11:08] whose efforts uh uh directly uh affect

[1:11:13] um historic preservation in the city of

[1:11:16] both.

[1:11:22] Uh would any board member like to make a

[1:11:25] motion to adjurnn?

[1:11:28] Uh I would accept a motion to adjurnn.

[1:11:35] Vicki

[1:11:37] see your hand up.

[1:11:46] » Hand works and I've been trying to get

[1:11:47] it to work all evening. Oh,

[1:11:49] » Sorry. Um I move that witcher

[1:11:54] Is there a second?

[1:11:56] » I will second.

[1:12:10] Uh we'll uh we'll take a vote on that

[1:12:13] then. Uh member Thomas I.

[1:12:16] Uh

[1:12:19] member Musker

[1:12:22] » I

[1:12:23] » And member SPI

[1:12:27] » I

[1:12:29] » Despite a quorum we are adjourned

[1:12:32] for lack of a quorum. Thank you all.

Bothell Landmark Preservation Board Meeting - July 8, 2026

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