[0:00] uh microphones everybody just be aware I'm going to uh call to order the

[0:04] Planning Commission meeting in City Hall here 501 Laurel Street council chambers

[0:08] for Wednesday July 19th 2023. Mr kravic would you please call the roll Maron

[0:15] here Gorham here Duvall here Norwood here Grunwald here staying line here

[0:22] Jaeger yes item number three Pledge of Allegiance

[0:30] I pledge allegiance to

[0:36] two indivisible

[0:46] okay first thing on our agenda here is an approval of the uh the agenda for

[0:52] this evening this is item number four do we have any additions changes

[0:55] substitutions for the agenda all right hearing none I'll be looking

[0:59] for a motion to approved our motion by staying line and a second by second

[1:04] Norwood by Norwood very good uh any discussion hearing none all those in

[1:08] favor signify by saying aye aye opposed same sign very good we have an agenda

[1:12] first item in our agenda is uh number five this is an approval of the minutes

[1:16] this is for our regular meeting that was held on June 21st special meeting held

[1:19] on June July uh July 12th I think yes uh do we have a motion to approve those

[1:25] minutes so I moved Norwood got a motion to

[1:28] second group and a second any discussion hearing none all those in favor signify

[1:32] by saying aye aye opposed same sign we have an approval uh motion carries

[1:36] approval of the uh minutes okay uh item number six this is uh we're

[1:41] gonna jump into our unfinished business here the first is item 6A this is a

[1:45] letter for the DW Jones requesting public art for the uh 805 uh Laurel

[1:49] Street we've got just a sample letter here uh pretty easy to read but James uh

[1:54] please uh give us just the brief overview on this if you would please

[1:57] there's this is not an action item unless we want to make any adjustments

[2:00] or amendments to the letter uh as it will be submitted and uh I appreciate

[2:05] all of you looking out on my behalf since it's my name on it

[2:08] go ahead James thank you Mr chair so Planning Commission directed staff to

[2:12] write a letter to DW Jones on behalf of the Planning Commission to request a

[2:16] public art piece as part of the 805 Laurel Street project staff has included

[2:20] a draft of that letter and like would like Planning Commission to discuss and

[2:23] recommend any changes to the letter all right very good the letter was uh

[2:29] not particularly lengthy if you all had a chance to read it that's great if not

[2:34] no big deal but this would be the letter that we'd be sending out just requesting

[2:38] uh some information as I believe it was Mr Duvall who brought this originally to

[2:43] the attention of the commission great great idea here and uh unless anybody

[2:46] has any objections we'll approve this letter and I'll sign it and we'll send

[2:50] it out and see what happens Mr chair yes please I would encourage an

[2:55] additional sentence in here probably following the uh next to the last

[3:00] sentence in the last paragraph to the effective I encourage you to reach out

[3:05] to the crossing Arts Alliance or other art organizations and institutions in

[3:09] our community and region just basically that they don't have to necessarily own

[3:14] the search or the but the gamut if we can think of them providing the canvas

[3:19] and working with the Arts Community to be able to to fulfill what's on that on

[3:24] that canvas so very good awesome yeah it seems yes please well I was wondering

[3:28] because I had the same

[3:32] don't rack card or something or that we can

[3:37] throw in with the letter if not I could run and get one there's

[3:42] some type of what card like a rack card or uh like we're the from The Crossing

[3:47] We're The Crossing here's how to get a hold of them yeah we could probably

[3:50] include something like that in there yeah yep some information on that so

[3:53] that they because like if I got this out of the blue and I Skip's not getting out

[3:57] of the blue but I wouldn't know

[4:02] and I think pointing them in that direction is the right way to go

[4:07] yep I think that certainly adds some some value to the letter

[4:10] yeah uh to your point and I'll just jump in

[4:13] also to your point Mr Duvall I know that the five Wings Arts Council is a uh an

[4:18] initiative that works with artists and they have in many cases uh money

[4:24] available to uh to partner with people who want to put art in their locations

[4:29] we did this for the library over here with their art and so it might be good

[4:32] just to put them on there also so that's you know Skip's not 100 working on his

[4:36] own on this but there may be actually somebody else out there who might pay

[4:39] for it so and just put it on his property so those seem to make that

[4:43] seems to make good sense to me any other thoughts or additions to this

[4:48] got what you need James and we got what we need very good thank you very much

[4:51] and uh Wilkin yes thank you thank you we're good we're going to continue on uh

[4:56] to our uh new business and our first item is item 7A this is a consideration

[5:01] of an iup an interim use permit for a short-term rental at 515 9th Street

[5:06] South um Dylan would you please uh just kind

[5:09] of give us the rundown on this and then James follow up with Dylan if you have

[5:11] anything please

[5:16] thank you and good evening um we are here to discuss an interim use

[5:22] permit for short-term rental um applied for by stangler Properties

[5:27] LLC at uh 515 9th Street South Brainerd um this is a parcel that lies in a

[5:37] traditional neighborhood two zoning District

[5:40] adjacent uses are duplex rentals uh single-family residential rental and

[5:47] non-rental as well as the sharing Bread soup kitchen all of the other adjacent

[5:52] properties are also traditional neighborhood too

[5:58] included in the packet you can see an aerial map of where we're looking at

[6:04] findings of fact we note that this is located in a traditional neighborhood 2

[6:11] zoning district and that according to our table of uses appendix a

[6:17] um short-term rentals are an interim use in

[6:22] that zoning District in order

[6:26] for an interim use to be granted in this zoning District

[6:33] short-term rentals must comply with the following minimum standards as required

[6:37] by the section of code the maximum rental period shall not be

[6:43] more than 28 consecutive nights the applicant proposes the unit as a

[6:49] short-term rental that will not exceed 28 consecutive nights for a rental

[6:53] period the permit holder slash owner

[6:58] of a short-term rental must apply for and receive an interim use permit this

[7:03] application and process that we are currently going through constitutes the

[7:07] applicant's attempt to apply for an interim use permit for the operation of

[7:12] a short-term rental the application for an interim use

[7:17] permit shall include the number of bedrooms with dimensions and all other

[7:21] sleeping accommodations I will read through these parts and then go through

[7:27] them a little more holistically because this um

[7:30] application includes a lot of redundancies so we have the number of

[7:35] bedrooms with dimensions and all other sleeping accommodations

[7:40] the number of off street parking spaces available to guests all accessory

[7:44] structures outdoor recreational features available for guest use

[7:50] a pet garbage and noise policy and the permit holder shall post emergency

[7:55] contact information police fire hospital and show renters the location of fire

[8:01] extinguishers in the short-term rental unit

[8:05] um

[8:08] included in each of these we have that the proposed

[8:14] short-term rental is a 900 square foot unit with two bedrooms those bedrooms

[8:21] are 13 feet by 12 feet 6 inches and 10 feet by 12 feet 3 inches that will

[8:32] become important later as according to occupancy for short-term rentals

[8:38] there's a limit of not more than three people per bedroom according to section

[8:44] 404.4.1

[8:48] of the property maintenance code each bedroom shall contain not less than 70

[8:52] square feet and every bedroom occupied by more than one person shall contain

[8:57] not less than 50 square feet of floor area for each occupant thereof or

[9:02] whichever is less thus the one bedroom is 162 square feet

[9:08] the other is 122 square feet both of those exceed the

[9:13] 100 square foot requirement on those guest rooms

[9:19] thus the number of bedrooms and the

[9:23] dimensions that are not only included are included but they are also valid

[9:30] considerations for bedrooms in a short-term rental

[9:36] the number of off street parking places as noted in the rules for the particular

[9:44] rental we have two off street parking spaces

[9:49] available one allocated in the driveway and one in an alley loaded garage

[9:56] the only accessory structure available for use is the garage and the

[10:02] rules policy for the short-term rental clearly states that

[10:08] there are no pets allowed in the rent short-term rental property garbage and

[10:13] recycling bins for use are located at the rear of the property and collected

[10:17] every seven days by waste partners and that there is a quiet hours imposed

[10:23] between 10 pm and 8 pm the housing inspector upon inspection of

[10:31] the rental unit will also confirm that any emergency information is

[10:37] posted at the unit permit holder must disclose in writing

[10:42] to their renters the following information

[10:45] contact information managing agent or contacts name address and phone number

[10:51] and the agent shall be available 24 hours a day seven days a week whenever

[10:55] the property is being rented and property contact will always be

[11:00] accessible to the public on the city Brainerd website our applicant Mr

[11:05] stangler is the responsible party and resides within 50 miles of the

[11:11] premises which is required for an agent occupancy in the maximum allowed guests

[11:19] is listed within the rules as has been previously discussed

[11:25] vehicles maximum number of vehicles recreational

[11:30] vehicles and trailers allowed on the property which needs to be noted and the

[11:35] rules clearly state that renters are not allowed to park more than two vehicles

[11:39] at the premises at any one time in designated off-street areas this would

[11:44] also include Vehicles such as trailers as referenced

[11:56] barring any further questions it is at this point no written

[12:03] communication has been put forward to the community development

[12:07] director or our department with concerns on this interim use permit

[12:15] um yes I will hand over to James for our

[12:19] discussion of Staff recommendations very good thank you Mr Edwards James please

[12:23] yeah so um Dylan it's kind of summarized the

[12:26] findings of fact there what I'll be discussing is just kind of a refresher

[12:30] on interim use permits and and kind of the difference between a conditional use

[12:33] perm and interim use so interim uses are similar to conditional uses in which

[12:37] they are allowed provided they meet the conditions the city May attach whatever

[12:41] reasonable conditions are deemed necessary to mitigate anticipated

[12:45] adverse impacts associated with the proposed use so really the primary

[12:49] difference between an iup versus a cup is that an iup can impose a date or

[12:55] event that will terminate the use also a change in the city's zoning regulations

[13:00] can render the use non-conforming and it terminates the interim use so those are

[13:06] a couple of the big differences staff did forward an email from council

[13:12] member Johnson with concerns about the short-term rental in opposition to the

[13:16] iup um kind of a summary of that email from

[13:22] councilman Johnson is the Eda believing stangler was building long-term housing

[13:26] awarded stangler property sixty thousand dollars of government funds to create

[13:30] the housing stangler properties proposed uh singular properties accepted the

[13:34] money to build housing I oppose the interim use permit because I believe

[13:37] both units of this government Finance duplex should be long-term housing

[13:40] options for people in our community staff certainly understands the concerns

[13:47] from councilman Johnson housing is something that Brainerd certainly a

[13:51] short on right now and as a major issue facing the city and it is also an

[13:56] important goal of the comprehensive plan however based on a review of the land

[14:01] use applications and the findings of fact 515 South 9th Street has met all

[14:06] the conditions for a short-term rental and staff recommends approval of the

[14:09] interim use permit with the following conditions first one is an approved

[14:14] inspection by the fire marshal I'm believe Dave Cox was going to be

[14:18] reaching out to Mr stangler for that final review the fire marshal is

[14:23] required to do a yearly inspection on short-term rentals

[14:26] second condition is the middle of the local option sales tax form to the

[14:30] finance department which is a requirement to the interim use and

[14:33] number three upon sale of the property by Mr stangler property or by stangler

[14:38] Properties LLC the interim use permit for a short-term rental at 515 9th

[14:42] Street South Brainerd Minnesota is no longer valid

[14:46] so with that certainly can answer any questions from the commission and Mr

[14:51] stangler is here if you have any questions for the applicant very good

[14:54] thank you Mr cram Vic commission members do we have any questions for staff

[14:58] either uh Mr Edwards or Mr kranvik at this time

[15:02] yes please Mr Gorham is this the third time we've we've gone through this in

[15:06] the last two years or is the second time because I know we've we've taught we

[15:10] discussed the property before so this property has gone through two variance

[15:13] requests the first one expired came in for a variance request because that

[15:18] first one expired for essentially the same thing they were approved both times

[15:21] and then this one is for the short-term rental okay

[15:25] did you mean short-term rentals or just this property well just this property

[15:28] because I think it's three on short-term rentals also if I'm not mistaken right

[15:31] and then we've gone through or at least since I've been here a short-term rental

[15:36] on First Street and then two of them on South 6th Street in the same unit as the

[15:40] triplex okay pretty good any other questions for

[15:43] staff Mr chair please I've got one and it's on

[15:47] the the third condition um I I understand and I've seen cities

[15:54] do this where they say on sale the property or transfer of the property

[15:59] this is owned by LLC though right that's correct so someone could buy the

[16:04] LLC and you could transfer that

[16:07] essentially yeah you could transfer it from a company okay

[16:12] so this is really not a condition

[16:15] if that were to be the case that they'd actually buy the LLC okay I just I I'm

[16:21] it it

[16:24] yeah did our attorney like look at that third condition and all like is that is

[16:29] that something you would run by him or not because it

[16:33] I'm just it seems like a uh a thing that we couldn't do but I've seen cities do

[16:39] it I'm just wondering if I didn't run it by the City attorney certainly there

[16:42] could be a triggering effect or an end date for an interim use permit um so

[16:45] that's my rationale behind it but uh General

[16:50] can't attach conditions to to individuals

[16:53] so you know like I can say like I wouldn't allow you to do it but I'd

[16:57] allow you to do it it becomes problematic yeah I could certainly run

[17:01] it by the City attorney before I really even want to do it because

[17:07] like I said you if you're gonna transfer it you would just sell the LLC and keep

[17:11] the name okay I'm with you I don't care either

[17:15] way I just was interested in the thought process yep I think that's definitely a

[17:20] um a good comment there okay very good any other questions for staff

[17:27] okay uh this time I'm going to go ahead and open the public hearing it does uh

[17:32] 617 and we'll invite anyone who might like to come forward including the

[17:35] applicant you don't have to but if you would like to you can come forward uh

[17:39] I'm assuming we don't have anyone online no one online so that leaves only you if

[17:43] you'd like to come forward again you don't have to

[17:46] um but at this time the public hearing is now open and I invite you for it if

[17:51] you'd like thank you thank you very much just state

[17:54] your name and address please for the record here my name is Eric stangler my

[17:58] address is 7384 Lone Oak Road in Brainerd

[18:03] um and so we just built this property last

[18:07] fall and um well I guess I'll address one thing

[18:11] stangler properties is like I started that with one little house and we owned

[18:17] many properties it's gonna get passed on to my kids it's never going to be sold

[18:21] it's not like we're a huge corporation but

[18:25] um as far as this uh property goes our intent was always the same and that was

[18:33] to rent for Extended Stay to traveling nurses

[18:37] and doctors or techs or whoever may be coming to the hospital

[18:42] my wife worked in the ER or several different locations from Essentia to

[18:49] Cayenne Regional Medical Center and the Brainerd Lake Surgery Center and we saw

[18:55] that there was a huge need for like those people that were traveling to stay

[19:01] um so that was why we initially came up

[19:05] with the plan to build this property now when we found out that there was a grant

[19:09] that was available that did not have any strings attached to it and we could you

[19:15] know get that money I looked I think there's over 20 HUD programs but they

[19:19] all have specific requirements for what you can use that property for

[19:24] and this grant didn't have that so I understand the council member's concern

[19:29] but as far as us meeting the requirements I I guess I

[19:35] don't really see the the logic um

[19:39] so the other thing is the traveling nurses they go on a

[19:44] 13-week rotation so we filled the one unit right away the second unit didn't

[19:50] fill so all we're trying to do really is bridge the gap so our intent is not to

[19:56] keep this as an Airbnb for ever for as long as we own the property

[20:01] it's to get us to where we can keep turning over

[20:05] Extended Stay traveling nurses doctors or techs and so that's the intent I know

[20:13] it's kind of you know we furnish the units and

[20:17] um you know we got a lot of extra money stuck into them if we're going to do a

[20:21] long-term rental we wouldn't have done that so we kind of

[20:25] and we can't go 13 weeks without renting out an entire unit so that's why we're

[20:30] applying for the interim use to get us to the point where we hopefully can find

[20:36] a traveling nurses doctors whoever it may

[20:40] be to occupy the unit very good thank you uh do we have any

[20:46] questions for our applicant just hang out just one sec just in case

[20:50] yes please sure can I restate what you said and just

[20:54] make sure that I understand sure um you you're doing 13-week rentals to

[20:59] nurses but if you've got one that doesn't fill you'd like the option to be

[21:03] able to do short-term rental until you get the next 13 week one in

[21:07] well our so this is a two unit building so the one you filled right away yeah

[21:12] yeah yeah and the other this one did not so right we're applying for the permit

[21:16] to get us to the point where we can find somebody that will fill that so our

[21:22] turnover with the the nurses we had a doctor that was doing clinicals here

[21:27] first then we had a nurse and then that nurse actually found another traveling

[21:31] nurse so we didn't really have any Gap well

[21:34] the other unit hasn't filled so we're applying for the permit so that we can

[21:40] at least generate some sort of income out of that until we get to that point

[21:45] which hopefully we do until you get to having a a trialing nurse or someone in

[21:50] there correct okay okay and a little bit of background I

[21:54] mean we we bought the first rental the first long short-term rental ever in uh

[22:01] Ironton cuyuna bike house and operated that for a few years and then we sold

[22:07] that and turned a couple of smaller units like these in Crosby in the

[22:12] short-term units and it's not all that it's cracked up to be yes it makes a

[22:17] little bit more money we're trying to transition even the ones in Crosby into

[22:21] these Extended Stays because there's so many Travelers coming into our

[22:25] communities and they're staying at hotels and this is better for them and

[22:29] it's better for the community in my opinion

[22:35] good any other questions for the applicant yes please Mr Duvall thank you

[22:39] Mr stangler um so you're describing that you've had difficulty attracting

[22:45] qualifying long-term applicants is that what you're implying for for the one

[22:52] unit that remains vacant or

[22:56] yes so the intent is to do basically the nurses doctors techs work when they're

[23:03] traveling they're on a 13-week schedule so and those come in waves so we've

[23:08] filled the one unit we haven't been able to fill this unit and that's why we're

[23:12] applying for the interim use could you describe

[23:17] you know what what your efforts have been to try and attract

[23:22] qualified applicants for for the housing unit

[23:26] um well like I said my wife worked in the medical field here all over the

[23:31] um City at Baxter Crosby and so she's put out a lot of feelers with people

[23:36] that are still friends that she has that still work in those areas we've also

[23:42] contacted the uh um

[23:46] I forget the title now but basically who who manages The Travelers at the

[23:52] hospital and you know if you have somebody that's interested Point them

[23:56] our way and we just not have not been able to fill this unit we haven't filled

[24:02] the other two we had one traveler over in Crosby and then that fizzled out so

[24:07] it's been an uphill battle but I think we're still optimistic that we can get

[24:15] all four units filled with Travelers and do that in a way that uh is beneficial

[24:21] for the community and the hospital and The Travelers so they're not staying in

[24:26] hotels while they're here sure yes please

[24:30] um you know it it seems like you're you're targeting a fairly narrow segment

[24:36] of potential renters for for a couple bedroom

[24:41] bath units which are very desirable rental units in the city of Brainerd I'm

[24:48] I'm I'm wondering to what degree you're open to

[24:53] broadening your potential

[24:58] list of candidates to to go beyond the medical professionals to other families

[25:06] within the city or coming to the city for long term and looking for long-term

[25:12] rental what are your what are your thoughts on on broadening that

[25:16] that application that that pool of people that you'd be trying to

[25:21] attract to fill your unit we're 100 open to that and we have

[25:25] filled it with our units in Crosby when they were working on the power line up

[25:29] there we had people that stayed at the cuyuna bike house all winter long so

[25:34] we're willing to rent out to anyone that's going to be staying long term

[25:42] the issue that we have is you know construction is not cheap and the fact

[25:48] that we just built this building our rents have to be a little bit higher

[25:52] than what a normal two-bedroom one-bath rental property long-term rental would

[25:58] be in the city of Brainerd not to mention we keep them furnished so you

[26:04] know if if we have a family that's going to move in there for six years then we

[26:08] have to take the furniture out because you know one thing about having

[26:12] short-term rentals is they get cleaned every week or every other day or every

[26:16] couple weeks or whatever it is every 13 weeks and there's always issues you know

[26:22] even with these brand new ones I had to fix a light like we're always in there

[26:26] keeping them in Tip-Top shape and so you know our field of of what we're you know

[26:35] targeting is small but in order to even more make the mortgage payments on a new

[26:40] construction in the city of anywhere that's

[26:45] you know that was our intent that's how we set up our financials for it and it

[26:50] was really the only way that we could have done it

[26:55] you know and I and I understand um and I I don't have uh you know any

[27:02] any qualms about the business model you're using to try and get at

[27:07] you know managing the finances the books to make this this build work out I I

[27:13] kind of get that um I I think a couple things that strike

[27:18] me uh you know one is by by narrowing down your

[27:24] narrowing down your focus whether you may

[27:27] be running into the federal fair housing act by by excluding people it's almost

[27:33] like choosing families over over um

[27:37] individual tenants blending you know you might be running crosswise there with

[27:43] federal fair housing act if you've not looked into that already but the other

[27:47] point is that that you know the housing study that was done a few years ago for

[27:54] Crow Wing County including brainer really highlights the need for long-term

[27:58] Workforce housing and you're describing members a section of the workforce of

[28:04] Brainerd you know the the Medical Professional is a is a part of our

[28:10] Workforce in in here and and and the need for providing long-term housing is

[28:16] pretty highlight highly identified as a high priority in our in our housing

[28:21] study it's identified as a high priority in our comprehensive plan and and what I

[28:26] what I see here is a proposal that's actually taking

[28:32] long-term Workforce housing out of the pool in

[28:38] returning it in a short term use that doesn't really help us with the long

[28:44] Ledger sheet of Need for for Workforce housing here in the in the city so

[28:50] that's a that's pretty much very much a concern I guess that's a comment more

[28:54] than a question so thank you Mr Spangler for your answers

[28:57] um I guess just to that I you know our we're not I'm very well

[29:04] aware of the discriminating against um and we're not saying that we're not

[29:09] turning people away the issue is the price point that we need to be at in

[29:14] order to support the build that we did um people that are doing long-term

[29:21] housing just aren't able to spend that much on a rental unit so you know down

[29:28] the line you know this this building is not going to be probably extended stay

[29:32] short term forever eventually it will turn to long-term rental and it's a

[29:38] beautiful building it's built well and it's going to be there for a long long

[29:41] time so you know I think this is just a like a section of its life that we need

[29:49] to get it to where it needs to be and then it'll be part of the housing pool

[29:53] in the city of Brainerd you know we're not going to own this building for 30

[29:56] years it's so yeah in the efforts that you describe

[30:01] to try and attract applicants really came down to sort of word of mouth and

[30:06] and and and I didn't I didn't hear that that you had advertised with a with a

[30:12] price point there my my guess is as a landlord myself in the city that you you

[30:18] would find qualified tenants that would meet your

[30:23] background criteria or your screening criteria that that would be able to pay

[30:28] a higher end and look for something that's nice like that you know because I

[30:32] agree with you it's a nice looking building I've not been inside I've seen

[30:36] it in planned views during the 10 months ago when you had that before so

[30:41] anyway I'll if I could comment sure

[30:45] um so yes the we I guess I kind of lost my train of thought but

[30:51] um sorry I guess one thing I was going to

[30:55] say before that the fire marshal actually was out yesterday too and did

[30:59] his inspection as well so I guess that portion has already been done

[31:06] it's pretty good thank you any other questions for the applicant

[31:11] okay thank you very much I'm going to go ahead and close the public hearing at uh

[31:18] 6 31 here and I'm going to bring it back to us for a discussion so further

[31:28] requirement is granted and that it is not used

[31:31] for that use for a period of time is that an issue going back to using it for

[31:37] that does that make sense what I'm asking James yeah so I I really looked

[31:41] at this uh and considered you know how that would

[31:45] work you know the use is still a duplex um so whether it's a rental or

[31:50] interviews obviously there's more stringent conditions set upon the

[31:54] interim use permit with the public hearing conditions that can be can be

[31:57] put upon it um so unless there was a triggering

[32:00] event in staff's interpretation where uh you know say say it's a short-term

[32:07] rental and then you know the Planning Commission wanted to put a trigger in

[32:10] advance saying that once it's a long term or Extended Stay then the interim

[32:14] use is void um really I think what we did what we

[32:17] work well with the applicant is that he'd have to notify staff when it's when

[32:21] it's being used as a as a long-term rental versus a short-term rental

[32:25] okay so there's nothing like inherent unless we decide to put something there

[32:29] that that's all staff's interpreting it okay

[32:33] hmm you know quick questions for staff

[32:36] otherwise we can discuss amongst ourselves here yes please Mr Duvall Mr

[32:41] chair I'd like to make a motion please to deny the interim use permit for

[32:48] um 15 or 515 9th Street South in Brainerd

[32:52] or short-term rental application all right we have a motion

[32:58] their second

[33:02] second we have a motion in this in a second

[33:06] um is there any discussion on this Mr chair

[33:09] yes please I would just ask what what would be the findings

[33:15] that would support the motion

[33:20] Mr chair if I may yes please um the findings of fact that I would

[33:24] offer are that the variance application that was approved 10 months

[33:29] previous findings of fact there were

[33:34] supporting the application for a variance at that time that was findings

[33:39] of fact three B which stated when variances are consistent with the comp

[33:44] plan staff believes this variance requests are supported by goal one of

[33:48] chapter three of the comprehensive plan which states provide a diverse mix of

[33:51] housing choices for all stages of Life income ranges and ownership rental

[33:55] preferences and they highlighted specifically policy five which says

[33:59] ensure an adequate supply of quality in affordable housing units for current and

[34:03] future residents and and what's proposed here tonight does not support the

[34:09] findings of fact that we offered in support of the variants in

[34:14] um September 21st 2022.

[34:20] Mr chair please yeah go ahead guys I actually have a

[34:25] different take than you and and when I look at

[34:29] people trying to provide housing that would be Workforce housing that would be

[34:34] housing that um you know could could fill this kind

[34:38] of need that we're talking about with the the traveling nurses but also fill

[34:41] needs for people who are kind of at a startup position in life

[34:45] there's a there's there's time in that market when you're going to have

[34:50] vacancies there's time when you're going to have extended vacancies and the idea

[34:54] that you would not be allowed to do a

[34:58] short-term rental on that or an interim an interim type rental what it does is

[35:02] it makes a higher burden for people wanting to provide that particular

[35:06] product and for me I think if we want more of that product we should give the

[35:11] people who are providing that product a lot more options to fill those gaps it's

[35:15] going to bring more people into the market it's going to make uh you know it

[35:19] easier for people to do that and actually think that the outcome you're

[35:23] worried about which is we're going to have less

[35:25] Workforce housing if we allow this type of use I actually think we're going to

[35:30] have more Workforce housing if we allow this type of use as a supplemental

[35:35] for people in the gaps to fill in those gaps when they have short-term Revenue

[35:40] problems Mr chair if I may respond to that and I

[35:45] and I agree very much with the the

[35:49] idea you're expressing Mr Marone and I I think what we have no control over is

[35:56] whether that short-term rental goes towards

[36:00] um medical professionals who are transitory

[36:05] in our in our community or VRBO or

[36:11] um Airbnb I think was the phrase that that

[36:15] the applicant had used here is sort of the platforms that it turns into

[36:19] vacation rental space and the vacation rental space is what

[36:23] detracts from meeting our Workforce housing needs and we have no control

[36:28] over saying you can only rent to Workforce people in our community right

[36:34] and if we say short-term rentals are okay and that's and that's the part that

[36:39] I'm getting and I fully agree with you in the the other aspects of the

[36:44] workforce Community out there and the way to fill in these slots in our in our

[36:49] rentals Mr chair and I I I I get where you're

[36:54] coming from I I don't know as I would

[36:57] if we were talking about like a lake home or something

[37:01] maybe we could find some common ground on that one but you know this is not

[37:05] this is not going to be a high end vacation rental

[37:09] so I I you know just PR in practicality applying that particular concern to this

[37:15] property to me it would be a little bit overstated like I don't think that I the

[37:20] the likelihood of that is very strong I'd be interested to know what

[37:26] what the um rental history is for the other

[37:32] two vrbos that we have or excuse me there's two other short-term rental

[37:37] permitted properties we have here which are not Waterfront beach front I think

[37:42] once up on North End and one's on on the south end of town and not exactly what

[37:47] you'd think of as vacation property but it's a place to

[37:51] anyway very good thank you further discussion

[37:56] yes please Mr Corner yeah one question when the um maybe uh staff could help me

[38:00] on this when the study was done looking at Workforce housing and how to address

[38:04] it was um was short-term housing ever a part of it in other words with the sixty

[38:08] thousand dollars that was allocated here 65 whatever it was was was there uh a

[38:14] need um recognized to provide for short-term housing in other words was

[38:17] that part of the equation um that the funders had

[38:21] from the initiative Foundation funding so I don't believe I don't believe that

[38:26] uh was part of it I'd have to go into the the study to see if there's anything

[38:31] related short-term rental in Crow Wing County study I'm not I don't know that

[38:35] offhand because I think they're just to continue

[38:37] I think I think there might be a valid I think there is a valid market for it but

[38:41] we don't understand it I don't understand you know we don't understand

[38:43] how big it is or maybe it's just so small we shouldn't be concerned about it

[38:47] I don't know and uh but I I can see how it is

[38:51] something can help fill a niche but also can see how it's something that could

[38:56] um say well let's take in these uh short-term things at a higher rate than

[39:01] as opposed to having to turn to Market and provide the real long-term housing

[39:05] we need which was probably the intention behind the initiative Foundation

[39:08] so that's my thinking anyhow thank you

[39:13] other comments questions okay well I'm just going to jump in with

[39:18] my thoughts here uh when I've when I first saw this come through I will admit

[39:22] that this landed on me all wrong mostly because of my background with deed and

[39:26] being part of the group that gave the sixty thousand dollars or was

[39:30] was a part of that in initially when I when I first reacted to this it landed

[39:35] on me all wrong also um and to your point uh I know um Mr

[39:41] stangler that you've said that there was nothing on you know in that application

[39:45] that prevented you from doing this but I would also just like to ask staff to

[39:48] just follow up with that and just verify with the people of deed to make sure

[39:52] that there isn't something that we're missing here which disqualifies this

[39:55] type of use um

[39:58] and then coming and that being said that's not really a part of what's in

[40:01] front of us tonight totally get that um that being said I've also kind of

[40:06] been on both sides of the fence of this I've been a part of the long-term

[40:10] long-term housing conversation been a big proponent of that still am but I've

[40:14] also noticed that myself in in sitting in other city meetings with short-term

[40:20] rentals and um uh have been going through life

[40:23] somewhat per blind with what these what what these uh what these types of

[40:29] dwellings really can do for a community so uh while I would probably prefer to

[40:34] have a long-term residence here I also understand the need for people who are

[40:38] moving in between residences people who are only in town for short-term work

[40:42] traveling service providers seasonal visitors people who have lost their home

[40:46] due to fire or to other construction issues or kicked out of their house for

[40:51] construction issues and there's also a whole list of people who need short-term

[40:55] Living For Life circumstances things beyond their control that happen in

[40:59] their life that force them to move out of their house or their dwelling without

[41:03] with very short notice so um

[41:06] I can I can also see that there's a need for this also in a short term in our

[41:11] community I will always come back to the fact that what concerns me most is

[41:16] behavior and what I see visually with my eyes

[41:21] when I look at a property this means upkeep whether it be by an owner that's

[41:25] a renter or a long-term owner and behavior whether it is a rental or a

[41:29] long-term owner because believe me we have good and both in both good and bad

[41:33] in both scenarios some of our most problematic people that come before us

[41:38] are long-term owner occupiers we we know this right so I guess where I'm at on

[41:44] this is is I'm struggling I find that taking the path of saying that this

[41:51] doesn't fit our our comprehensive plan is a bit of a reach for me personally

[41:57] I'm very close to neutral on this and that's why I'm going to be asking for a

[42:01] roll call vote on this but that's that's kind of where I am and I I think that uh

[42:06] just generally we need to to be a little generally more open-minded that

[42:11] short-term rental doesn't mean keggers every weekend and trash in the street so

[42:15] I think there's there are other functions behind that so yeah

[42:19] um if there's uh yes please Mr Norwood

[42:23] sorry I'm dying um

[42:29] currently I'm in the position of not supporting the motion

[42:32] um

[42:34] under the premise of the it's difficult there's other ways to

[42:40] skin the cat so I agree with the the motioner but

[42:47] there's there's I agree but I can't support it

[42:53] if that makes sense it doesn't make sense I've been there

[42:56] many times

[43:00] further discussion okay we have a motion to deny I just want to be clear make

[43:04] sure everyone's got this straight we have a motion to deny in a second uh so

[43:08] and we're going to be voting by roll call if you vote if you vote Yes you're

[43:12] voting for a denial of this iup if you vote no you are voting uh to uh to allow

[43:18] the iup to happen okay does that sound right everyone all right very good I

[43:22] feel like there should be a separate motion very good

[43:26] if this one doesn't pass okay so would you how would you like to

[43:30] play this would you like to vote first and then make a motion after this motion

[43:33] and then we can have a second one very good

[43:36] all right here we go drum roll everyone and Mr cramp go ahead James is going to

[43:40] uh call the roll maroon a post

[43:44] Gorham no Duvall yes

[43:48] Norwood no onwald no staying line yes Jaeger and

[43:54] that's no so I would I would make a motion uh to

[43:59] uh recommend the the interim use permit be approved based on the findings

[44:05] provided by staff with the three conditions recommended by

[44:09] staff I would add to the third condition since

[44:13] we're we're going down this road anyway we might as well go all the way I would

[44:17] say upon sale the property by stangler Properties LLC comma or transfer of

[44:23] ownership within stangler Properties LLC comma the interim use permit for

[44:28] short-term rental da da Mr chair yes please would the motion or

[44:33] be open to an amendment to that motion to include a two-year term on the permit

[44:40] to expired December 31st 2025. point of order yes uh point of order

[44:47] just for a second and I'll second the motion

[44:50] okay just so that way it got it yeah I respect what you're asking but no I

[44:58] don't really feel a need to do that

[45:02] all right so we have a new and exciting motion and a second on the table here is

[45:07] there any uh further discussion it

[45:11] I know I seconded it but where Mr Duvall was headed is the

[45:16] general direction of where I was headed for you just beat me to make an emotion

[45:21] and so so you're saying head your bets two years we'll look at it again if it's

[45:25] not a problem I I the reason I wouldn't do that is because I feel like we're

[45:29] just adding I mean the petitioner was suggesting

[45:36] that there is a time delay as to fulfill the proposed

[45:42] business plan so you're saying in two years that delay

[45:45] should be resolved and then this is not needed I

[45:50] the the timing is as far as the timing it

[45:55] I'm indifferent to the timing I just believe that it needed a close date

[45:59] and so if if Mr Duvall is asking for a did you say

[46:06] two years two years expiring December 31st 2025.

[46:11] that's I've go ahead I'm indifferent to the the time I'm that's the debatable

[46:16] part that we can uh well I can tell you where I am on

[46:20] that debate we've allowed to my knowledge we have approved two of these

[46:23] in the last 24 months into my knowledge that condition wasn't attached to either

[46:26] one of those two so my concern is is that we are unfairly or or perhaps uh on

[46:34] we are in we're doing this in a way that is not

[46:38] um in in alignment with the way that we have approved the other so that's my

[46:42] concern with attaching uh and forgive me was that in a tn2

[46:48] agreed yeah Mr chair if there's a Nexus between what the applicant has said his

[46:54] business plan is and what you know other Commissioners would want that would help

[46:58] us get to a recommendation I'm I'm fine

[47:02] considering it but I I guess I'm kind of with you like I like let's

[47:06] just we're gonna do it let's do it

[47:10] uh well it's on you you're being asked to change your motion

[47:14] yeah and I guess maybe I'm doing a straw full like is this going to be like is

[47:18] everyone going to vote against this because like it'll be here all night

[47:21] maybe let's call the question and if people will not vote for this one then

[47:24] uh I'll change it I'd like to also remind this commission that we are

[47:28] advisory so yeah whatever the outcome is of this um city council ultimately will

[47:33] be making the decision on this but uh I would encourage us to just uh pull the

[47:38] trigger on something here

[47:43] so I'm not hearing a Amendment to the motion so we're going to do this by roll

[47:47] call also now one more time if you vote uh yes in favor of this you are agreeing

[47:52] to allow the interim use permit to be permitted if you vote no you are voting

[47:57] no and remember that there were three conditions the third one was briefly

[48:00] modified I'm not going to go into the details of that any questions on this

[48:03] before we roll call this all right James here we go maroon yes

[48:08] Gorham yes Duvall yes Norwood yes gruenwald yes staying line yes Jaeger

[48:17] yes wow oh there we go very good thank you

[48:22] um will you please Mr cranbic just kind of let the applicant know what uh what's

[48:26] going to happen next next steps yep so this will go to the next city council

[48:30] meeting which is on August 7th and they will vote for an approval or denial of

[48:35] the interim use permit very good thank you Mr cram Victor thank you for coming

[48:40] thank you okay we're going to move on to uh item 7B this is the consideration of

[48:44] allowing mixed-use buildings in the commercial Corridor District Mr kramvick

[48:48] please yes thank you Mr chair uh so just a

[48:51] brief summary at the June 28th Eda Workshop staff proposed allowing

[48:55] mixed-use development in the commercial Corridor District to incentivize

[48:58] Redevelopment in the district and to maximize housing opportunities for

[49:02] potential developers kind of along with this as well staff is also proposing and

[49:08] the Eda is uh you had a kind of a general consensus at

[49:13] the workshop that they're interested in creating a a similar River to rails

[49:16] District along the commercial Corridor District part of the commercial Corridor

[49:20] district is already in the river Trails but extending it kind of all the way to

[49:23] the Cub Food area the river Trails District just is kind

[49:27] of a reminder waves all building permit fees up to 150 000 of construction value

[49:33] as well as waving sack and whack and park dedication fees so one of the

[49:39] things that the Eda [Music]

[49:42] the workshop had directed staff to do was to talk with Brainerd Public

[49:48] Utilities as well as our public works department to see if the utilities can

[49:51] handle waving sack and whack fees but so so staff will be doing that tomorrow

[49:58] but tonight's consideration is whether mixed use development could be done in

[50:03] the commercial Corridor District as well staff would look at that this is similar

[50:07] to The Main Street District in which the first floor residents units are

[50:11] prohibited so right now our Main Street District runs from Front Street down to

[50:16] the mid block of maybe Norwood and Oak Street and then from 5th Street to a

[50:22] street so essentially no residential is allowed on the first floor that's

[50:26] essentially how staff sees as a potential for the commercial Corridor

[50:30] District I did include in the second page here

[50:34] an example so this is Moorhead this is a city where I grew up so this is First

[50:39] Avenue North it's a I think a pretty good representation of what we kind of

[50:45] see with Highway 210 this is kind of a Gateway into Moorhead and in a similar

[50:49] location in in and close around downtown you see here is a 2008 picture pretty

[50:55] sparse development there's a the railroads actually on the left hand side

[50:59] some industrial uses over there if you go down to the 2002 picture here's a

[51:05] picture the the appear to allow complete residential on the left-hand side but

[51:10] there is a mixed use development that was was created on the right hand side

[51:14] so besides allowing more residential into this kind of Gateway into Moorhead

[51:18] it also really spurred development from some of the existing businesses that

[51:22] aren't mixed mixed-use development there's a brewery that kind of expanded

[51:26] and doubled in size because of the amount of residents that are in here and

[51:29] then there's also a number of other businesses that because the amount of

[51:33] residents that are in this area it really spurred development and and has

[51:37] kind of revitalized this whole Gateway into Moorhead so just kind of a quick

[51:41] example and this is really just a discussion topic tonight

[51:45] um you know seeing if Planning Commission does want a direct staff to

[51:48] look further into potential potentially allowing mixed-use development in the

[51:52] commercial Corridor District right now it's just essentially a business

[51:55] district um and there is no parking requirements

[52:00] in the commercial Corridor District so that would some you know maybe have to

[52:03] be some type of consideration um but with that I'll turn it over to

[52:08] the Planning Commission you did see there's a there are currently five

[52:11] mixed-use development buildings within the commercial Corridor District those

[52:15] are considered legal non-conforming at this at this time but I'll turn it over

[52:19] to the Planning Commission for any comments or Direction very good thank

[52:23] you Mr cranvik all right guys any uh

[52:27] questions comments considerations discussion

[52:32] I think it's a great idea

[52:35] they've been through that area in Moorhead

[52:39] properly went to that Brewery

[52:42] probably I can admit to anything but it's it's um it's pretty amazing the

[52:49] amount of people are all walking around

[52:54] are you envisioning this as a conditional use

[52:57] or as a so yeah mixed use development is a conditional use kind of throughout all

[53:02] of our districts so it ended up being a conditional use yeah okay

[53:08] I think that's the key for me also hugely powerful tool but

[53:13] it's allowed but we're you know then allowed to attach conditions to better

[53:16] control any other questions for staff comments

[53:21] Mr chair yes please Mr Gorham my question a lot of it uh to you Mr

[53:26] krampik sent us around what is Washington Street going to look like

[53:30] when the when the redo is done in other words is it going to be the kind of

[53:33] street that will actually support what we're trying to do I like that you have

[53:36] mixed use on there I think that's tremendous I think it's something we've

[53:40] kind of talked about before of trying to turn Washington Street and slow it down

[53:44] and get more out of it and create a more hospitable place and the question is do

[53:50] we think the highway plan as presented so far I guess it's done at this point

[53:53] is it going to support it you know that's something I can bring up

[53:58] with the public works department as well our city engineer to get his thoughts on

[54:01] that part and certainly provide a report kind of on the the next part if we do

[54:04] bring some type of draft ordinance um I think you know to your point of

[54:08] trying to slow traffic down you know right now some of these places and you

[54:12] see you see in the the 2008 picture it's just these large expanses and you know

[54:17] the more you have these large expanses the you know it kind of feels almost

[54:20] more like a super highway that's going through here you know traffic speeds up

[54:24] you know one of our con or one of our conditions within the commercial

[54:29] Corridor district is to bring buildings closer also adding height is going to

[54:33] kind of frame this and and I think you know have the desired effect of

[54:37] potentially you know helping slow traffic or calm traffic slightly

[54:42] thank you yes sure yeah Brent can you freeze that

[54:47] picture for just a second um

[54:50] wouldn't it be cool if you had like a Skyway across and you know thinking

[54:56] about the thinking about the Washington example I mean being able to join these

[55:01] kinds of buildings to to to provide another way across a busy

[55:06] State Highway in addition to all of the the things that are in the design for

[55:11] 2025 or 2026 reconstruction of Washington Street so this this kind of

[55:17] what you see there would lend itself to being able to to give you that

[55:21] alternative and you can imagine those being a publicly accessible uh maybe

[55:26] it's a stairwell elevator system on the corner of those buildings that gets you

[55:31] crossed as well so it's also going to be able to serve our Ada folks as well so

[55:36] just a comment about ways to that that could help us

[55:40] we do actually have a couple of examples of kind of what this looks like when

[55:44] both The Sawmill Sawmill which has main floor commercial residential above as

[55:50] well as the bicycle shop same similar kind of concept sitting close to the

[55:54] road commercial on the bottom storefront on the bottom residential on top so it's

[55:59] kind of a little bit the look

[56:02] any other discussion um Mr chair yes please I'm I'm

[56:08] enthusiastically in support of the idea of mixed use in this area I

[56:13] I think this is rather hideous in a lot of ways

[56:18] um just from a design standpoint and I mean if you

[56:22] if the idea is we want to restrict the first floor to Commercial and the rest

[56:28] be residential I I've seen a lot of success where instead of doing it that

[56:35] way you actually have what would be a very light architectural

[56:40] standard uh not the kind of architectural

[56:43] standard where you're speccing the type of siding and the color and all that but

[56:46] you're expecting where the door opens up onto uh how wide the ground floor units

[56:53] can be so you don't get kind of a monolithic you know thing if you look at

[56:57] the building on the left it's actually pushed back quite a bit from Where the

[57:01] Sidewalk would be and the openings are not on that side so if you're walking

[57:04] through there it's kind of as almost as desolate as it was in the pre-picture

[57:09] there's really no interaction on the other side you get a little bit of

[57:13] interaction but the doors are on the side of the building not on the street

[57:17] side and so you lose that kind of connectivity

[57:21] I I tried one in Greenville South Carolina not too long ago where they had

[57:27] a similar concept but on the first floor they were very flexible about

[57:31] residential and Commercial and they were they didn't have enough commercial to

[57:35] fill the space initially and so they had a couple that were residential on the

[57:39] first floor but they from the street wise they opened up the same way and

[57:43] they looked the same way and I talked to the developer and he's like yeah as soon

[57:47] as we fill these we're going to make these commercial too but again kind of

[57:52] like with the last one it was a way to cash flow it in the interim because

[57:56] there was more residential demand than there was commercial demand I also you

[58:00] know step back and look at the second and third stories and

[58:05] yes you know having them as residences is really great but when you allow them

[58:10] the flexibility to also be office or something else again you you just get a

[58:15] building that functions more like the Easy Rider store would have functioned

[58:20] historically or the the the Samoan with a function historically

[58:24] where you're kind of

[58:28] you know whatever works as long as it's at this scale

[58:32] I think what we'd want to get away from is the idea that like on the left you'd

[58:37] have one big wall for a you know 500 feet with no uh no you know no breakup

[58:44] in the continuity no human interaction because that just kills your your

[58:48] walkability so I'm enthusiastic but I wouldn't I

[58:52] wouldn't approach it the way that it's being recommended I would tweak

[58:56] the standard a little bit uh from what is being recommended

[59:04] all the comments so so basically broadening the staff assignment to

[59:10] to bring in some sort of architectural considerations

[59:14] um in addition to just sort of that

[59:17] residential use as they're proposal yeah I I feel like

[59:20] developers would be more open to it kind of standard that allow them a

[59:25] lot of flexibility and use in exchange for a little bit of um

[59:29] you know design requirements and we talked about stepping back upper

[59:35] floors a certain distance in some of our previous conversations through the comp

[59:39] plan and and the development of the ordinance here

[59:42] right that that storefront and maybe you step back from the street on the next

[59:47] level up or maybe two levels up and gives you less of that that wall effect

[59:52] and more texture if you would a visual texture to the wall it would depend on

[59:57] the the place um you know if you have a wide Street

[1:00:02] width you can go quite a bit up before it starts to feel that way

[1:00:06] on a narrower Street you you've got some height

[1:00:10] yeah the height would be different but in this Zone I mean I you could go

[1:00:15] three or four stories before you had that effect

[1:00:18] in any way commercials Corridor correct is

[1:00:22] Washington Street yep that's correct so commercial

[1:00:26] corridor from the river to about the Cub Food area that's that's considered

[1:00:31] commercial Corridor Cub Food then would be General commercial any kind of kind

[1:00:35] of the certain models around it and then once you cross the river that's General

[1:00:38] commercial as well so we have some defined

[1:00:42] parameters within the road in the the width of what we're talking about yeah

[1:00:46] you generally I mean it's a kind of a three to one six to one ratio of width

[1:00:51] to height gives you a good proportions so you

[1:00:54] wouldn't you wouldn't want to step back until you exceeded that

[1:01:02] and that's a pretty big building

[1:01:07] yes please Mr cranbic yeah so I do think Mr Marone made some some excellent

[1:01:11] comments there on the building look certainly when I look at the building on

[1:01:15] the left-hand side you know there's really no interest to that and and uh

[1:01:18] you know it doesn't look like a particularly pleasing building

[1:01:22] um I know just getting the resonance down here is what really has spurred

[1:01:25] development to some of the other buildings so kind of my recommendation

[1:01:29] with this is uh we haven't really talked about you know kind of next steps after

[1:01:34] our parking ordinance so and I do have that in my staff report where the

[1:01:38] parking commission will be meeting August 2nd to go over the parking

[1:01:42] ordinance and then at the August meeting we'll bring the draft of the parking

[1:01:46] ordinance and then there's kind of next steps on what we work on next

[1:01:50] um so staff was going to recommend actually looking at our design standards

[1:01:55] um at our next one and and taking a look in our in our general development and

[1:01:59] design standards so I think this would be a relatively easy one adding mixed

[1:02:04] use to the commercial Corridor but if we did those in conjunction function with

[1:02:07] reviewing our design standards I I and staff is going to recommend we look at

[1:02:11] it for single family two to four as well as as five plus and multi-family so kind

[1:02:16] of looking a whole at a whole thing for our design standards um I think these

[1:02:20] could two could be you know kind of done simultaneously

[1:02:24] yes please and how much of a wrench does the parking question

[1:02:30] how much of a wrench do we throw into if you start requiring parking design

[1:02:34] elements into architectural design for mixed use

[1:02:40] so yeah so right now we're working on the parking ordinance um parking parking

[1:02:44] commission is going to review out one thing that we did toss around with the

[1:02:46] next one is in our Main Street downtown district maybe there's a requirement to

[1:02:52] um you know have half the amount of required parking spaces

[1:02:55] um for a place or you know maybe simply that uh that there's gonna have to be

[1:02:59] some type of parking plan provided by the developer in order to to

[1:03:04] construct a project like this as part of a conditional use permit so there's a

[1:03:07] couple things I think we still have to work out with our parking commission as

[1:03:11] plant and Planning Commission on you know how this would really work because

[1:03:14] obviously you know a large building like this would need parking so whether it's

[1:03:18] you know whether they're coming some agreement to a property next to them

[1:03:23] some joint you know joint agreement or they're doing underground parking

[1:03:27] um you know that's kind of how staff envisions that but uh you know getting

[1:03:30] some direction here would you know maybe help provide us some direction then as

[1:03:35] we're going to the Planning Commission and kind of future

[1:03:38] um future parking commission meetings on on working on the parking ordinance

[1:03:42] thank you James yeah Mr Norwood I'll just jump in on that also I would say as

[1:03:46] a I mean from a developer's perspective parking can have a huge impact on how

[1:03:51] you would attack a project or and even possibly complete viability if we were

[1:03:55] to say for instance say you have to have underground parking

[1:03:59] or something like that you could be potentially imposing

[1:04:02] Financial burdens that would make render virtually all

[1:04:07] projects you know not not viable that's an extreme case but to answer your

[1:04:11] question it could have an impact yes especially if it's minimums

[1:04:15] um you know

[1:04:19] all right uh just any other discussion conversation here

[1:04:24] so staff is looking for us uh you know is is looking for us to direct them to

[1:04:30] revise the zoning code to allow for multi-use in the in the corridor

[1:04:34] District it sounds like we still have some heavy lifting to do as far as

[1:04:37] potential design standards architectural standards even maybe overlaid with

[1:04:42] parking standards and that but I think we're just kind of generally you're

[1:04:46] looking for some head nodding to say yeah we kind of like where this is going

[1:04:51] so at this point I'm going to ask for people who are head shakers not knotters

[1:04:55] okay very good you got what you need James you think we do have what we need

[1:04:59] all right fantastic this may be just a follow-up if we are

[1:05:02] um you know just to build off of what uh director pram said about the cue of

[1:05:08] other things that you know as we as we start wrapping up the parking if we

[1:05:13] could look at the Grand list and and we you know so as as we think

[1:05:18] about um

[1:05:20] placing this or something else in that queue just to be helpful just to refresh

[1:05:25] ourselves or at this beyond the six-month point be helpful to just

[1:05:28] refresh yourself as we've gotten close to knocking off one of those is the are

[1:05:33] the priorities still the same and we can bring that to the next meeting yep

[1:05:38] we could start meeting weekly

[1:05:42] I'm almost there very good uh okay um I was going to move on

[1:05:49] we're going to move on now just uh so everyone knows as you read the packet

[1:05:53] item 7c was technically canceled for tonight but it was actually postponed to

[1:05:58] the next meeting just so everyone knows that we'll be uh re-emerging in our near

[1:06:01] future I'm going to move on to item number eight which is our public forum

[1:06:05] um I'd like to make a motion relating back to 7A

[1:06:09] um to direct staff to investigate approaches

[1:06:14] precedence benefits consequences of limiting short-term rentals in our city

[1:06:20] and to just report back to us on what examples are out there what's the I mean

[1:06:25] we've had some discussion about the pro and con here at this desk and and

[1:06:29] whether we could have a look at that um you know and I wouldn't put that I

[1:06:33] guess I might put it on that list though stuff but I would like to to see us

[1:06:39] have a good careful eye at that and then and then some information we can act on

[1:06:44] so I'd like to offer that motion please uh so yeah we have a motion uh there do

[1:06:49] you have a grasp on the motion you okay with what we get what he's asking to be

[1:06:52] done here okay and we got a motion a second uh any discussion I'm just going

[1:06:57] to jump in real quick I think it's probably a good good idea because I have

[1:06:59] this feeling in the back of my head that when the comprehensive plan was written

[1:07:02] nobody was asking is there a need for short-term rental this is to me

[1:07:06] the conference plan perhaps doesn't cover it or address it as a need because

[1:07:11] it really didn't exist or was even if it did exist it wasn't acknowledged as uh

[1:07:16] as a performing status in our in our community so I think it's a great

[1:07:20] exercise and uh for you know good idea for us to get our head wrapped around

[1:07:24] how it's doing what other communities are doing and how we can better apply it

[1:07:28] so excellent point thank you uh so we have a motion a second any other

[1:07:31] discussion hearing none all those in favor signify by saying aye aye opposed

[1:07:36] same sign very good thank you okay so I'm going to open the public

[1:07:39] forum at 707. uh this is the time for anyone to come forward who have might

[1:07:43] have anything they would love to chat about before this esteemed commission do

[1:07:47] we have anyone in line I went online and I see no one in the house so I'm going

[1:07:51] to close the public forum at 707 and we are going to move on to item number nine

[1:07:55] which is Staff reports uh whoever raises their hand first goes first

[1:07:59] no one's there we go James kramdick you're up so update on vcv uh so vcv has

[1:08:04] not contacted the Community Development Department this is the cryptocurrency

[1:08:07] that purchased the industrial park lots they've not contacted staffs and service

[1:08:11] plans are approved by the Eda for buildings instead of outdoor storage as

[1:08:15] a principal use I do believe they're still working with Brainerd Public

[1:08:19] Utilities on kind of final utility plans and getting the power that they need to

[1:08:23] their site so um but for the last couple of months

[1:08:26] staff has not heard anything about a building permit or or any I guess

[1:08:31] anything from them on on that front um I did mention the parking commission

[1:08:35] will be meeting August 2nd to review the draft of the ostrich parking ordinance

[1:08:39] and a final draft will come back to the Planning Commission on August 16th so

[1:08:42] that'll be kind of the final review and then the next Planning Commission would

[1:08:45] be the actual public hearing so a few more steps to that

[1:08:49] for the draft of the parking ordinance also at the last city council meeting

[1:08:54] the council did hold the first reading for the Country Manor planned unit

[1:08:58] development District uh so that's the ordinance amendment to create the new

[1:09:02] zoning District they did also approve the preliminary and final plat as well

[1:09:06] as the concept plan and general development plan for the Pud in order

[1:09:11] for the final plat and the preliminary plot to be approved there will have to

[1:09:15] be a second reading of the ordinance as well as as well as approval from city

[1:09:20] council after that Country Manor will have to work with the city of Brainerd

[1:09:25] on a development agreement and then bring a final plan for their planned

[1:09:29] unit development so those are kind of next steps I'd anticipate probably two

[1:09:32] or three months to resolve some of some of that stuff and kind of last one city

[1:09:37] council approved the Redevelopment Tift and Redevelopment Tiff plan for 805

[1:09:41] Laurel Street at the last city council as well and with that that's everything

[1:09:44] I have very good thank you Mr Edwards you have anything

[1:09:48] um yes just briefly and it sort of came up during the discussion of the interim

[1:09:53] use permit that this property has had things come along in the past and one of

[1:09:58] the things that we were working on in the department is building a running

[1:10:01] two-year list at least for the city council level of

[1:10:06] the Planning and Zoning processes that have

[1:10:10] gone through Planning Commission and city council and where they're at in the

[1:10:15] process currently so that we can have a clearer picture of once something comes

[1:10:21] through this commission or the council for instance if it's a conditional use

[1:10:25] permit and that was supposed to prompt some action and nothing has happened for

[1:10:30] two years that might be something that's good to note or in a rezoning or

[1:10:35] something along that line so that is something we're actively working on

[1:10:38] creating which may be a helpful reference that'll be in our community

[1:10:42] development report for city council awesome okay thank you Mr Edwards

[1:10:46] anything Mr bomber nothing tonight okay we're going to move to item number ten

[1:10:51] this is our commission member reports I'll start with my left anyone who would

[1:10:54] like to go promote anything Tiffany Mr Norwood nothing to add I got

[1:11:00] in front of you anyways you know that works see I started laughing okay I just

[1:11:04] have one quick thing uh I was able to attend I believe was Friday the 14th uh

[1:11:09] this was the yeah this is the Italia quartet that happened at our brand new

[1:11:13] uh Park uh the Lyman P wide park and it was uh phenomenal I just want to say uh

[1:11:19] people there was about 120 130 people there they were having a fantastic time

[1:11:24] it sounded good it looked good off in the uh on the Riverside there was about

[1:11:28] a dozen kids who were playing on the uh playground equipment which was highly

[1:11:33] criticized as to whether or not it would be played upon not a playground it's

[1:11:36] play area that the play area and the kids were there non-stop for an hour

[1:11:40] over an hour and a half straight and never left so and uh having fun also I

[1:11:45] will say that a couple members from the uh from the lake Sarah Music Festival

[1:11:49] came forward and uh spoke very highly of the development in our city and just

[1:11:56] what a what treasure that was to have something like that in support of the

[1:12:00] Arts so uh just wanted to shout out that uh good job to everyone that worked on

[1:12:05] that and offer some positive feedback on on our beautiful park down there that's

[1:12:10] all I have you anything I knew you're going to say

[1:12:14] that anything else uh down the road up yep Mr Duvall

[1:12:19] um pass okay very good uh with that we'll be looking for a motion to an

[1:12:24] adjournment make a motion to adjourn got a motion to

[1:12:27] adjourn second and a second all those in favor signify by saying aye aye opposed

[1:12:32] same sign thank you everyone

City of Brainerd - Planning Commission - 7/19/2023

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