[0:03] What a mistake. >> Yeah. Yeah.

[0:07] Shut off the air.

[0:10] » No, they didn't.

[0:20] » That's flow through ventilation. You just open

[0:24] the window. Yeah.

[0:33] Where you going to live? >> Oh, yes.

[0:40] » I got it.

[0:53] » You don't even know what the address is at school. Um, yeah. 205

[1:02] down there. >> Try 205 West Parkway Drive.

[1:06] » I can go way down. >> Ben's going to be outside.

[1:14] Maybe you might drive on

[1:19] [laughter]

[1:37] » All right, let's get started. Okay, >> we'll call meeting order and start with

[1:42] the uh

[1:46] » I aliance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic

[1:52] for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible with liberty and

[1:58] justice for all.

[2:05] » Roll call. Yep.

[2:08] » McGinley here. >> Here.

[2:10] » Yep.

[2:13] » All right. Um, public committee. Yes, Adam. Sick's not

[2:19] here yet. So, we're going to do new business.

[2:24] Starting with the approval purchase of trailer.

[2:28] Uh, this is actually taking the place of the water truck, right?

[2:32] » Yes. Get out of that truck and get a trailer. It's cheaper all the way

[2:36] around, more effective, more efficient. I don't have to keep picking stuff up

[2:40] and put on a truck and bring it up around.

[2:43] » Thanks. >> Perfect. Thank you.

[2:46] » Put shelves in it, but and seal floor, but other than that,

[2:50] [laughter]

[2:56] » how much was 6,000? >> 6,000. It was a private individual. Yes,

[3:01] private individual. Double axle. 7,000. He knows it's got a uh basically wall

[3:09] locker already in it with shelves in it. Spare tire.

[3:14] I threw in the uh receiver 2 and 516 receiver with 4 in drop.

[3:19] » So, put anything on top or anything. >> Uh we can uh it does have lights. It

[3:24] does have a uh thing for a ladder on the outside. You can put ladder hang a

[3:29] ladder on the outside. Plenty of room to get all of our tools in there. secure

[3:34] them. Locks on the back. Uh have our wet weather gear in there. Put a heater in

[3:39] there for winter time to get a mobile workshop.

[3:42] » Yes. Yes. >> We can take we can have one truck with

[3:45] trailer and another vehicle i.e. backo whatever. So

[3:50] » So get a truck from the county as we sell.

[3:53] » So take that and run. So I would for a

[4:00] motion to purchase that truck. >> I'll make that motion. Second, I have a

[4:04] motion and a second to approve the purchase of this 2017 trailer

[4:09] coming from the water. >> All in favor?

[4:17] » All right. Uh, next we were going to talk about

[4:22] permit fees. These were building permit fees, correct?

[4:26] » Also, are would that be different than the

[4:30] permit fees that they have now? are going to be required to put through DNR.

[4:35] » Uh DNR has their own set. I started doing inspections today with uh Jeff

[4:40] Matthews from Union County. Very eye opening. U

[4:50] they have to apply for a permit with >> they have to do the permit through DNR

[4:54] if it is substantial damage over the 50% mark. If it is a if they are in the

[5:01] flood way automatic BNR permit and automatic femur rule standard

[5:07] has to be raised to the uh

[5:14] » the two base flood elevation. Thank you. There will be a sheep with where their

[5:18] ass is now level it is now. Uh one today over on Front Street. Basically, Front

[5:23] Street is going to be at least seven to 10 ft raised for every

[5:28] house on >> Front Street from

[5:33] » from Center Street back over to Pum both sides.

[5:39] » Has anybody told somebody in particular? >> She is not in the floodway.

[5:44] » Oh, but go ahead. >> Okay. Uh, no, I have not. If they want

[5:49] to see the floodway, they can get on Snider Beacon, pull that up, go to Wayne

[5:55] County, go down to FEMA risk, click that, and

[6:00] that uh NR has their own portal. >> Yes. Yes. DNR has their own portal that

[6:06] you can see and they can go on the DNR portal, too, and it'll show that flood

[6:09] zone all the way through town. One end of town is the other. This is going to

[6:14] take a while. I employ it takes about 15 minutes. You got to go

[6:19] out, measure everything, go back to the office. It takes about 15 minutes per to

[6:24] run those numbers. >> If there isn't substantial damage, the

[6:27] house doesn't have to be raised. >> If they're not in floodway, if they're

[6:32] in the floodway, >> if they're in the floodway, yes.

[6:35] » Period. Has to be >> has to be.

[6:36] » Even if it's steam house, >> if it's in the floodway, it's DNR

[6:41] permit. It has to be brought to base flood rate.

[6:46] » Even if it's just nominally damaged or it's in the flood way, it has to be

[6:52] raised. >> So if the if a substantial if it's over

[6:57] 50% of substantial damage or substantial in that floodway, it has to be raised.

[7:03] » That's what I just asked. But if it's not substantially damaged yet,

[7:07] » if if there is a home in the floodway, from what I gathered today, after

[7:12] everything I've done, if it's in the floodway, it has to come

[7:16] to two feet above that.

[7:20] » Even the ones that didn't have any damage,

[7:23] » that's what I'm being told. Again, >> looks like they'd be grandfathered in or

[7:28] something. >> That's true. Well, then that makes it

[7:30] sound like a house that's not damaged and a house that's 80% damaged are being

[7:34] treated the same way. >> So, a house that has probably billions

[7:39] of bricks in it >> is going to be raised.

[7:44] » There is a sheet. I can show you this sheet and we can go off of this sheet.

[7:48] I'm just going off of what >> I got I have done today.

[7:54] That's all I can tell you. Is the is the guy that you're meeting with is is he

[7:59] DNR is that or is he just >> No, he is the planning and zoning for

[8:02] Union County. >> That is who

[8:06] from DNR. >> Okay.

[8:07] » And he has contact now >> and he has been down in F County dealing

[8:13] with them to >> So what does that do to the city

[8:15] building? >> I've not measured that yet.

[8:18] » We're not in the flood. >> Yeah, we're in the French. No, I mean

[8:22] the power or the water plant that's if that's not in the

[8:25] » businesses are different. Business are this is residential businesses are

[8:29] different now. >> So government is something

[8:33] » this is the residential site. >> I think we're still learning a lot

[8:36] because I just started yesterday. >> Yeah, I got on there last night and I

[8:41] was trying to figure this out on that site

[8:45] and I I couldn't find the key to the map. There were certain it was striped

[8:50] like closest to the river and then it turned a different color like on Shirt

[8:55] Street and I couldn't find the key that So you mentioned the floodway like

[9:00] » it'll say right in there. It'll say 500 year and it'll have an AE code in there.

[9:05] » Maybe I didn't look the right thing. is a legend. You have to

[9:10] » I I didn't find I couldn't find the >> So, at any rate, before we get into this

[9:15] too much and make this too much, I think what we need to understand is there's

[9:19] still a lot to learn with this and we're we're just really getting started on it.

[9:24] So, that substant if you're not in the in the flood weight, you're in the

[9:28] fringe. Okay? the blue area on your map when you pull it up depending on what

[9:34] that percentage is and that is from and that depends on if you have a basement

[9:41] because that's automatically tied in. So that's a minus 8 ft

[9:46] from your from your ground elevation to up to the flood line

[9:53] and then there's different formulas to go in there and then check.

[9:57] [clears throat] And is that the uh is that the DNR FEMA?

[10:01] » Yes. >> Software program.

[10:03] » Yes, that is FEMA DNR and then >> that's how that's that chain of command.

[10:09] Did he say did he say that there is any like obviously that's a you know there's

[10:16] a software program but if there's an argument if there's a found that

[10:20] something that's you know 49% or 51% or whatever if it gets to 50 is there a way

[10:27] to argue that back faster than there is okay with your cost

[10:32] » there's there's an appeal cost there there is your cost so there when if your

[10:38] cost is It's not say 10,000, >> right? Your your improvement cost right

[10:44] there. Your your and it's just your house, right? It's not the property.

[10:48] It's not your accessory buildings. It's not it's the house. That is it. That

[10:53] value. So that's 90 $90,000. >> 50% 45, right?

[11:00] » Yeah. >> So again, let's not make this a working.

[11:02] » Yeah. Yeah. This I could redo this for hour.

[11:05] » Yeah. >> Because this is just beginning. We got a

[11:08] lot to learn. So I don't think we need to make this a work session about the

[11:11] DNR because as Joe said there's a lot >> I'm just getting started in

[11:16] » we may need to have >> that's a huge area

[11:25] » but what we do need to talk about is building permits and waving the fees for

[11:32] building permits. >> Yeah. Now, I'm assuming just for blood

[11:36] affected people, correct? >> Yes. I I Yeah, but that's what you want

[11:40] to do. I mean, our our ordinance states anything over $500. Now, about most of

[11:45] this, they're not they're not changing the structure. They're they're going in

[11:49] and rebuilding flooring and putting drywall up. That's not They're not

[11:54] changing the footprint of building, >> but our ordinance states $500

[12:01] $500 requires a building permit. >> So, I know I know Franklin County that

[12:14] » are we just going to wave the fee and still require them to pick up a permit.

[12:17] So, we have some idea. We still have to get a

[12:20] » right. Okay. Yeah. An estimated cost.

[12:23] » This is going to be for a length of time. So that mean they three years from

[12:27] now they're going to add on addition to their house.

[12:30] » September. >> Oh, this is going to take it have to be

[12:33] a year. It's good for a year. >> I'd say a year then we revisit.

[12:37] » I would say no longer than that because if they're not going to do anything in a

[12:39] year, I mean we've all been filling this lighted houses trying to get done. Now

[12:45] arguments can take a year.

[12:52] I'll make a motion to wave permit fees. >> Building permit.

[12:55] » Building per fees. Thank you. >> Building permit fees for flood

[13:00] survivors.

[13:03] » And when you say flood survivors, that means if they're doing an improvement

[13:08] because of the flood because everybody's kind of a flood

[13:12] survivor. One of the identified homes one homes

[13:16] identified as damaged by >> damaged by

[13:21] one. >> Yes, ma'am.

[13:24] » I'll second that. >> All right. I have a motion and

[13:26] secondated to building

[13:34] one year for

[13:38] all in favor.

[13:42] Pass. Uh, another thing Sherry brought up

[13:46] waving penalties to shut off for water. >> Yeah,

[13:51] we don't have the equipment to even read meters. So,

[13:56] » bills. >> Um, perhaps we're going to estimate

[13:59] bills to call in tomorrow, but Keystone's [snorts] going to help

[14:03] estimate bills. Not estimate, print out paper bills. We'll see. been estimated

[14:09] over the last three months. But >> so you just want to wait

[14:14] through September. >> Yep.

[14:16] » I'll make that motion. >> Second.

[14:19] » I have a motion to second to wave penalties and shut off for water

[14:25] throughout through September. All in favor?

[14:28] » I post.

[14:33] » Now we're back. Well, one related topic. Yeah. So, I just met with Brett Griby

[14:39] land bank. They moved today

[14:48] to support the town in possible acquisition opportunities to

[14:55] help flood victims from the land. So, they don't know what that means at

[15:01] suggestion.

[15:04] That's that's the role of bank actually is to help situation,

[15:08] » but we really don't have any what that looks like right now. I'm just letting

[15:11] you know frankly it's our name on that. So they'll be back.

[15:20] » Adam, we skipped you. Now we're back. Now we're back.

[15:23] » I appreciate everyone shifting things around for me. This was unexpected to

[15:27] get in the middle field somewhere. I'm assuming you guys don't have copy

[15:32] code. All right, very good. So, what I have today to talk about are seven

[15:37] different quotes for different efforts and work required. Some of these is work

[15:41] that already has been completed, but most of it is work to you. Uh the top

[15:46] page is just a summary sheet I put together. These are quotes and proposals

[15:50] from basically everybody that works on. >> And again, number one is not a quote

[15:58] invoice. >> Yes. Yeah, sorry. Quote, proposal,

[16:00] invoice, u little different. I'll unintentionally use those

[16:05] interchangeably a little bit. U so to go through the summary, the front page,

[16:12] just rip the band-aid off. The total cost that we're looking at here is

[16:15] $245,000 and a little bit more. And just step

[16:21] through each one of these. The first one is from peerless. I'm just looking at

[16:25] the summary sheet, but we can go through uh the attachments and get into as much

[16:29] detail as we'd like. Please slow me down if I'm going too fast.

[16:33] » One question of clarification, please. >> These are not things to compare one

[16:36] another so that oh, we'll pick three instead of two. They could arguably all

[16:41] be required. >> Thank you. Yes. Each of these are

[16:44] independent quotes for different scopes of work. None of these are equals. Given

[16:50] the timeline of this, we didn't really have the opportunity to collect.

[16:54] So, we wanted to get these in front of you as soon as we could to get the

[16:58] materials ordered is that the lead time for these materials is largely what's

[17:02] driving the get back get back on um get back to where we should be for this.

[17:10] So, the first one is an invoice that's from Peerless Midwest and as it says

[17:14] that's for work that's already being completed.

[17:18] This was their initial efforts to show up and get the water system back

[17:22] running. But that looked like bringing their generator out, bringing the BFDs,

[17:28] doing the troubleshooting, cleaning your wells to get them back on.

[17:33] Uh, anything additional for the work already completed. Uh, they also

[17:38] furnished two new pump motors, took your old ones away, and installed the new

[17:42] ones. Got weld one and two back on. This also includes the generator and the

[17:49] equipment rental up until September 4. So this first invoice is truly an

[17:56] invoice of all work that is already completed. Nothing to be done.

[18:01] » There's no question that you didn't have to get quotes for that. Um because of

[18:05] the emergency nature that had to be done immediately. The others I still have

[18:10] some concern. >> Yeah. To be clear, this 83,000 is the

[18:14] only reason we have drinkable water right now.

[18:18] » Yes.

[18:23] » And number two would be an extension of the current situation which would cost

[18:28] probably a lot more if we brought somebody else.

[18:31] » Absolutely. >> Yes. They would need there would still

[18:34] be an additional charge for peerlessity commission their equipment. Um, and the

[18:38] rate that they're renting the equipment to you for is about 2,000 bucks a week.

[18:42] And that's that's pretty with peerless, that's really just their

[18:48] cost of the generator rental. And the other things are

[18:52] » that's for six weeks. >> And since that's a service rather than a

[18:55] product, also have no problem with that being

[18:59] » and I'm estimating six weeks just based on the equipment lead time plus two

[19:04] weeks to complete it. Maybe more than that, it may be less

[19:08] than that, but I feel that's fair. >> So, and I'm sorry to jump. You mean two

[19:13] weeks to do the rest of the work numbers three through six.

[19:16] » So, uh two week in my mind, the perfect path is the electrical work. The

[19:21] electrical work's four weeks out for the equipment. It'll take two weeks to do

[19:25] that work. >> Yep. No, thanks for asking.

[19:30] » Um so, that's item number two, the ongoing rent.

[19:34] Any questions on the peerless invoice and flow?

[19:47] » Very good. Jonas have the questions up. >> No came in and they did what needed to

[19:52] be done pretty quickly. >> Yeah, we were on board a while, but

[19:58] people were only without water like 18 hours through this whole thing. So

[20:05] they l they really showed up. Yeah, I did. There you go.

[20:12] Any questions before we move on to number three?

[20:15] So item number three is for materials and labor for the electrical piece. At

[20:21] the high level, this is relocating all the equipment out of the bar and

[20:25] basement and moving it to wellhouse number one. This is installing two new

[20:31] BFDs. in that wellhouse, the one closest to your house.

[20:37] » And >> yes, the larger the larger of the frame,

[20:41] not the largest, but the >> the newest of the

[20:47] » So, we're going to relocate, install the two new BFDs relocated from the basement

[20:52] to this building. The two BFDs will be for well number one and well number two.

[20:59] One thing I want to make sure Cal is aware of, taking a little bit of a step

[21:02] back from Peerless's quote, I only said that there's two well motors in that

[21:07] quote. You guys have three wells. Well, number three is not really in this

[21:13] situation right now. Um, Peerless isn't willing to get in there and work on it

[21:18] just yet because the floor is susceptible to giving.

[21:22] Uh, so that's something that is on the list of work to need to be done. And I

[21:28] don't now that's not included in any of the two either of the two quotes for you

[21:34] today. So this is just to get wells one and two, which is more than adequate to

[21:39] keep you guys in a flow and provide fire protection. I just wanted to clarify

[21:45] that when I started to talk about the two BFDs,

[21:48] someone might have thought we've got three and what's going on.

[21:51] » Is it the closest one to the river? It's the problem.

[21:53] » Yes. Yes. Yes. That's three. That's three.

[21:56] » That's one they just cleaned last year. >> Yep.

[22:01] It's not out of commission forever. Just at this time

[22:06] can't get in there. Backing back to the mid-state quote,

[22:11] quote number three. Uh, this refeeds the entire site. It takes the power from

[22:16] coming into the building, the large barn, and directs it to the well one

[22:21] control building. This also provides power wiring and control wiring between

[22:27] the VFDs, new power panels, and the new control panels. This also gets the new

[22:33] power wiring to the 4 in booster pump. And one wrinkle of this by relocating

[22:39] the VFDs into that control building. Um those VFDs put off a lot of heat and

[22:44] that was the one nice thing about them in the basement. The basement was full.

[22:48] So this boat also includes one large window AC unit to be installed

[22:54] whichever window is the least intrusive to that installation.

[22:58] That AC unit is required to keep the building conditioned.

[23:02] Uh the mid-state quote does have some adders on the back page of it, some

[23:07] alternates, but I we do not recommend electing any of those alternates. First

[23:13] two are for BFD filters, which is a component you need at the motor. BFD are

[23:18] far away from each other. They are literally right next to each other now.

[23:21] So that's not required. Any other item just a different type of AC unit which

[23:26] is going down. So in summary, quote number three from

[23:32] Midstate Electric is for labor and materials to get the electrical back up

[23:36] to where it should be for this temporary solution.

[23:40] » Yeah, I think it's primarily service. So worried about

[23:47] there any questions?

[23:53] » They're going to be at a height and still has to be moved later. They will

[23:56] be. Yes, but all these improvements, installing the below grade wiring, we're

[24:02] we're being intentional with those and those are going to be things that can be

[24:05] reused. So, you know, provided that the plant doesn't pick up and move, we're

[24:11] working with that site for a permanent solution, these improvements can be

[24:15] rolled into Ben. So, we're not just stringing wire to take it down a year

[24:19] from now, right?

[24:27] Next quote we have is from Maxim Automation and this is for SCADA

[24:33] temporary and permanent. What what do I mean by that? So Wesler

[24:39] has been doing your programming for the past year or two couple years now. Um

[24:45] and but Rob has the ability to kind of scap things together in a much more

[24:49] weighted bench. >> [clears throat]

[24:51] » So part of Rob's quote, the maximum automation quote is to put together that

[24:57] ad hoc control system and alarming system so that the guys in short order

[25:03] and get some kind of communication out of them. It'll be limited alarms that'll

[25:08] let them know when a tower level is low, when there's chlorine gas leak, the

[25:13] critical things that we feel you should have your team alarm know. Um, so that's

[25:20] » we don't have these things right now. >> Correct. Correct. So what do we have

[25:23] now? I think Ken shows up in the morning and turns it on and that is the only

[25:27] insight you have to how your water system. Only way we know what's in the

[25:31] tower is by high pressure and run about 55 PSI.

[25:38] That's when he knows he's getting so he's not overflow.

[25:43] See what it so

[25:50] needless to say less than we are truly flying blind actually visit one of those

[25:57] points it's missing far away from that boring alarms taking

[26:03] place chlorine there is a chlorine alarm on the building

[26:09] peerless treatment that there there There's an alarm on the

[26:14] building now. The floor >> in that building.

[26:16] » Yeah, the alarm's on the outside, but we have when the skate was put on, we know

[26:22] when it was going. Kim did. >> The last quote here is to replace the

[26:27] chlorine gas detector in the sensor unit that was submerged. It needs replace. So

[26:32] once that's done and the controls part done, then that'll be up exactly where

[26:38] it needs to be for safety. Yes. >> I've been told to run the alarm go.

[26:44] » Yeah. You don't want to be around it. >> I don't hear it. I can't run. I can't

[26:48] run anyway. [laughter] Just check. >> Only with number four. You're not there

[26:56] yet. But the whole staff get >> No, these are great questions. Keep them

[27:00] coming. >> That keeps me

[27:02] » especially you know you got some vested interests. I see them.

[27:06] So the first part is the temporary system to get you up as quick as

[27:10] possible. Second part of this quote is to build your permanent control pan.

[27:16] That's the thing that was up in the first floor that got partially submerged

[27:20] and yet that doesn't go well with electronics. Um so that's the other part

[27:25] is providing that permanent control panel. And Rob's also included two days

[27:30] for site start up and making sure everything's going the way it should.

[27:35] Uh Rob was on site I think within the first three or four days he was there

[27:41] » surveying getting the things put together and understanding what makes

[27:45] sense in terms of scope and supply. Uh I want you to know we went back and forth

[27:49] a little bit with what Rob's scope was. He had some more items in there that

[27:53] were more clearly I'm just buying the material and we asked him to pull that

[27:58] out and that's why you see a separate quote. We'll get to it just from

[28:02] material spot.

[28:09] There any questions about what this comes?

[28:15] Do I really hate to say scale of things, but that's that's the that's the

[28:23] So, if we don't do it, uh, what does this mean?

[28:26] If we don't do the temporary system, that means we're running blind. That

[28:30] means we're crossing our fingers every time they turn the pump on and walk away

[28:34] from that site. There's a break. If there's a leak, we're not going to know

[28:39] about it until it's uh same thing with the chlorine gas city.

[28:47] » Keep running on generator. >> Yeah. Yeah.

[28:52] » Well, the generator was number three.

[29:04] We're going to pay on the scope. Bob, do you have any concerns?

[29:07] » No, not yet. >> Very good.

[29:13] » All right, moving on to Wesler's quote number five. This is for more of the

[29:17] permanent SCADA and the computer side of things.

[29:22] So, this is your server. Uh Joe, that was that big black box we carried out

[29:27] that day. Um your computers, your monitors, miscellaneous stuff that goes

[29:32] with that. Re-uploading your programming, getting it all up and

[29:36] running. I was really hoping to to catch you guys

[29:40] uh before the meeting, but u one thing I wanted to to bring up was the

[29:47] compensation for this one. We looked at what our fees were and we

[29:52] we cut them in half for this. So, I just want you guys to be aware um where we're

[29:58] coming from and we appreciate working guys support. Do

[30:02] » you know do you have a breakdown how much of that for Wesler is labor? How

[30:06] much of it is material? >> Um the material cost ended up being

[30:11] roughly $20,000 and the labor ended up being the balance of that.

[30:16] » And how does that really compare with four? because it looks I'm a lay person.

[30:20] Yeah, it's all computer stuff. >> It is.

[30:23] » So, how is it distinguished? >> Yeah. So, uh our our quote provides

[30:27] different things, right? Rob is building a control panel which is a permanent box

[30:33] that's got computer brains in it, the human interface in it, the talking

[30:38] points from the other things in it. That is the control panel. What Wesler's

[30:45] providing is the computer parts of it along with the server that the control

[30:50] panel talks to. So the server is what collects the signals from all the remote

[30:55] sites and allows uh that to talk to the SCADA computer which then will talk to

[31:02] the PLC do that work to do the calculations and set new alarm.

[31:08] » Okay. So where where is this? This will be also in in the control

[31:16] building. Well, one it's it's got to get full.

[31:22] » How many hours is hours of CPS? How many hours?

[31:27] » I think it's a 48. >> So, I'm not certain. I'm not certain.

[31:32] No, >> I know it's at least 20 people.

[31:38] Is there a justification that we can say you're doing with West Country on site

[31:43] on hands helping us engineer these other items? Maybe

[31:47] » uh there's there's a lot of efficiencies because all we're doing is is pressing

[31:51] rebuild on all the equipment we've built for you in the past.

[31:54] » So I think this is the first one that material outweighs the service. So

[31:58] that's where I want to make sure that we justify not getting

[32:01] » You should have left the other $10,000 in there and that would have balanced it

[32:04] out better.

[32:08] No good deal, huh? Is there internet service to the

[32:13] building?

[32:17] » Is there internet service to the building?

[32:19] » Yes, there is. There will there's

[32:26] Wi-Fi.

[32:40] I think for the the bid projects when we were in a similar situation um we were

[32:46] written in as a professional service for those things that was a bigger dollar to

[32:50] a bigger

[32:55] » from timing standpoint

[32:59] what would you take to get more >> well I I think with the circumstances

[33:04] here with I think we can avoid the for that.

[33:12] » And with the discount they're providing justify it to

[33:19] » our hardware, we also do get discounts on that. Of course, that's all passed

[33:23] through you. >> The biggest savings is the the spool up

[33:26] time for someone else to come in. That may be a lot.

[33:29] » How hard would it be for you to get somebody to do the same quote same

[33:33] service that we all know is probably going to be more than yours anyway? Is

[33:36] that going to be is that something you can get in a few days? Is that going to

[33:40] be hard to get? >> I would have to call my competitors say,

[33:43] "Can you get me a quote for this work?" So, I'm not sure.

[33:48] » I'm not sure they would jump on that opportunity, Bob.

[33:51] » I don't see that being a quick mission.

[34:00] » Okay. So, I have a question. So, thing is

[34:06] going in the political. >> Yes.

[34:09] » Is there any attempt to mitigate the possibility of flood water

[34:19] still

[34:22] to that short of install and putting up some kind of ad hoc

[34:29] situation?

[34:34] I think it's good for my eyes. >> That's that's true. Yeah.

[34:39] » And and to that point, this is not the permanent fix, right? This is not the

[34:43] solution forever. This is what work we need to do right away to get us as we

[34:50] » some of that equipment will carry through

[34:54] used. >> Yes. the control panels, the BFDs, the

[34:58] servers, the computers, a lot of the site wiring, the majority of the

[35:03] equipment can be reused.

[35:07] » Yes.

[35:15] Any questions on Wesler proposal?

[35:22] Item number six is what I alluded to earlier and that is purely materials

[35:27] purchase. This is purchasing the two VFDs

[35:32] from BL Anderson. Um purchasing them through BL Anderson

[35:37] through what's called their red carpet program which is like their preferred

[35:42] emergency path for getting paid very quickly.

[35:45] As I mentioned earlier, Rob had this equipment on his quote but he was

[35:49] looking at six weeks to get this equipment.

[35:52] That's the normal lead time we have by pursuing this program. Uh they have one

[35:58] that they could bring to you tomorrow and the second one will be here in two

[36:02] weeks. So going this avenue remarkably expedites the delivery time and it lets

[36:08] you purchase direct avoid any kind of markup or

[36:13] add to that. These drives can be reused. Um, the nice

[36:19] thing about these drives is they're interchangeable. The ones outpart, so

[36:23] all of your drives are the same size swapped around.

[36:31] So this is for two VFDs. Probably the most straightforward of

[36:35] them. Questions.

[36:42] » I initially was concerned on both six and seven because they are for product.

[36:45] Yeah. and and but because of the relatively nominal amount involved even

[36:51] though quotes are preferred they're not legally required so we can also is that

[36:56] threshold I think it's 15 okay >> just made it

[37:04] number six last but not least is number seven

[37:08] that's from Living Waters they do your boring on the back page now this is for

[37:14] labor and materials Uh so the labor is to install your

[37:19] permanent booster pump and get the gas detector working and that that's why

[37:24] this is a proposal that work hasn't been done yet. That's something that Paul at

[37:28] Waters will come in and do that on execution.

[37:32] We'll also install the chlorine gas sensor. So that'll replace all your gas

[37:36] protection equipment since it was flooded and that'll get that plugged

[37:39] into SCADA. So you'll get alarms. Jim knows it's not moving his house. I move

[37:44] for this to be agreed to [laughter] just

[37:48] be hard to get another quote for six and seven.

[37:52] » I don't know anyone else in the states that does this work

[37:56] » for either one of them. >> Which one? I said for six and seven.

[38:02] For six, it would be very difficult to get what's an equivalent quote. You

[38:07] know, it to ask someone to give us two BFDs in two weeks, it's going to take me

[38:12] two weeks to get the quotes. >> So, they would be the only one that

[38:16] could meet that kind of spec. >> Yeah. If we were to issue an RFP to say

[38:20] we want BFDs delivered in two weeks, that's the only Okay.

[38:31] Um, oh, back to the living waters. They also included a temporary booster pump.

[38:36] This is something that we both felt was important. First line on there, this is

[38:39] a booster pump that Joe could plug into a wall outlet if something happened.

[38:44] That was the strategy to get us back in operation the first time. So, we're

[38:48] going to wire in the permanent one, but let him keep the one that's on site

[38:51] plugged in now based on appetite.

[38:57] And that's for just under 6,000.

[39:10] » Those are the scoops. Any questions?

[39:20] » Yeah, but we knew this was trouble.

[39:26] I mean Adam and I have talked and really this is this is what we have to do so we

[39:32] can monitor the water system and it operates the winch water

[39:38] » but anyway that'll do us anything you do have this cash in your water fund

[39:45] now it could have ramifications on future projects but along that

[39:50] conversation I have had some discussion with

[39:54] some folks from the county and told me talking to some of you that we're going

[39:59] to the water tower uh project on a hold for now for at least 30 days uh because

[40:08] we have to figure out where we're at here before we can even consider doing

[40:14] more out there because we're going to spend a lot of funds here and if we have

[40:18] to do a whole new water plant or whatever that's more debt that I I think

[40:23] we all we don't want to take on. So I did tell

[40:29] them and I've talked to Baker Tilly and told them and said they're not going to

[40:32] be here this this meeting. So

[40:38] I'm glad I felt that was necessary to do based on where we're at here. One bright

[40:44] spot, we were able to get the ARPA fund. At some point they'll be turned over to

[40:49] us back from SRF. >> Thank you. And that was that was about

[40:52] $225,000. Unfortunately, it doesn't cover all of

[40:56] this, but it takes a great chunk out of them.

[40:59] » So, whenever those funds get released back over, haven't heard back from yet.

[41:04] I'll check in with them today. >> How do we know?

[41:09] » I don't know what the mechanism looks like, Sherry. I sure hope they don't

[41:12] mail you a check. >> Um, but I'll figure that out. I'll let

[41:15] you guys know. >> When I sent that off to them, I got a

[41:18] email back. said they would be out till next week. So

[41:22] » yeah, >> it's only Thursday. So I don't think it

[41:24] was >> I'll call them tomorrow and then

[41:28] » it does. It does. And further bright spot that money was earmarked to spend

[41:34] » on this. No, it was to move some things up, but it was still to take care of

[41:39] this site. And I don't know who would have wanted

[41:42] to move forward with the scope of that project knowing what we know now. So

[41:47] it is nice that we had that money to fall back on it.

[41:51] » Did you move it up and still get flooded?

[41:53] » Yeah, it would have. >> Where we were planning to move it

[41:56] wouldn't have fixed any of you know our plan was to move the stuff in the

[42:02] building would have been flooded. No questions asked. The generator platform

[42:06] would have been built to the 100redyear flood plus two feet. And from the

[42:10] pictures I saw, it would have still gotten still gotten hot,

[42:13] » which puts us in a very interesting position down the road, what is our

[42:17] design basis? Is it a hundred-year flood or is it a foot over US40 because we all

[42:23] just saw >> may tell us that

[42:26] » and they might Yes.

[42:30] I know your plan was built just what two years ago it was built up stage and it

[42:40] » when I hear people talking about 500 or thousand years that doesn't surprise me.

[42:45] » So Adam are you know if we move forward this are you thinking six weeks to

[42:51] » I think so. >> Yep. In a perfect world times fall

[42:56] through all the way we're expecting. I think six weeks for completion. No

[43:04] » bad. >> As monumental as what happened to happen

[43:09] six weeks is >> not that shabby.

[43:14] » Not a permanent fix, but everything will be working properly and all the safety

[43:18] mechanism. [clears throat] >> So, we need a motion for each of these

[43:21] or can we do them all in one? You can do it either way. If you're comfortable, a

[43:25] motion to approve these seven expenditures would be appropriate.

[43:30] Unless if somebody had some problems with one or the other, then I'd want you

[43:34] to do it individually. But absent a problem with any one of them, then I

[43:38] would say it's okay to make motion second approval of all seven of these

[43:44] items. I'll make a motion that we approve the

[43:47] seven expenditures to get waters uh system relocation back up.

[43:56] » That's an amount of $245,675.

[44:01] » All in favor? >> I

[44:06] get everyone after this. I'll get some signatures and take care.

[44:15] signature. >> It's seven. Seven signature.

[44:24] » Is that it for you? >> That's everything.

[44:26] » Sure. That's enough. >> Do you want more?

[44:27] » No, that's enough.

[44:33] » All right. Um I don't want to ignore you.

[44:38] » That's your talk. Are you

[44:40] » Yeah. Yeah. We don't have to do that. Okay.

[44:51] Think we can talk. >> Yeah, we we spoke briefly.

[44:59] There some discussion. So I think it's something offline best

[45:05] way about I don't know what this is but be happy

[45:10] to help. [laughter] I'll let you know.

[45:12] » Okay. Bigger type of co.

[45:18] » All right. Mike, anything you getting tired of hole

[45:22] yet? [clears throat] >> I am.

[45:26] » This week or next week? This ends this week.

[45:30] » They can do whatever they want to do. >> Is do I need to contact numbers? You can

[45:36] pick them all up. >> I I can do all that's that's not a

[45:39] problem. I I don't know that we want to completely shut down, but I think we're

[45:44] gonna change the footprint. Now, >> what do you think we need to do?

[45:49] » Just one dumpster out. >> I think we need to scale it back and I

[45:54] don't know what the legal ramifications are of people coming on our property

[45:58] city property to load things into dumpster. If someone's heard something

[46:02] there, have to have somebody there. I don't know what particularism Yeah.

[46:10] [clears throat] >> So, Irish community

[46:14] and assembly. >> Troy, I'm assuming you want us to leave

[46:19] out there. Well, I just I just have some things we need to figure out. And that's

[46:22] the first one is that, you know, hope you can put things out the street and

[46:25] get your stuff. People have done a good job of that. Um, where are we going to

[46:30] take things that are still coming out of buildings and

[46:33] » things are going to be coming out of buildings for months?

[46:36] » Yeah, I understand that. right now. How long is the town responsible for that?

[46:41] » That's the question that we need to decide. But but we need to put something

[46:44] out there for that. And other thing too that I'm concerned about because we

[46:48] spent the last three weeks being on the streets picking things up, working at

[46:52] the site. That's why it was late here at night because we got some buildings and

[46:55] they're for it is we have groups of people that are still coming in from out

[46:59] of town. Our homage group that was 40 people that

[47:03] are inside homes now taking stuff out. got another group of 30 over the

[47:07] weekend. If we were going to scale it back, that's fine to some degree. But if

[47:12] we're going to still offer that, let's change the hours in which we offer it

[47:15] and realize that we have people that are doing their own homes that have to go

[47:19] back to work. They may still have stuff that needs to go. We have a couple

[47:22] buildings that are technically town buildings. Um the concession stand still

[47:26] hasn't had a wall removed in it or the ceiling removed in it for the uh CC Y.

[47:32] Um the scouting I don't think has anything's come out of the scouting. We

[47:35] understand that that's different because we are responsible for that.

[47:39] » So we don't mind paying for that. But we don't mean we have to pay forever for

[47:43] everybody. >> Correct. I'm just saying of things that

[47:46] I that I look at and see. The other thing too is you I have a concern of

[47:49] have we identified all the buildings that are in town that haven't been

[47:53] touched. >> Yeah.

[47:54] » Because that's one of my biggest concerns is that we have a lot of Joe's

[47:58] been fighting this for a year. through some of these vacant absentee owners.

[48:01] They've got a building next to somebody that's trying to get their building

[48:04] back. Hasn't been touched. The basement still may have water in it. The house

[48:07] may still be growing mold. And it's the house right next to it. So, I have a

[48:11] concern of that after three weeks of opening up some freezers and

[48:14] refrigerators. What that smell looks like. What does it look like in a month

[48:18] or two months? Um, the other thing I want everyone just to realize is that

[48:21] homeowners have come in or people have come in and they've removed items where

[48:25] they thought they were good and a week later mold is showing up and they're

[48:29] having to remove even more items. So that's the round that we're experiencing

[48:33] right now. We've come back to some of these houses three times, taking drywall

[48:38] material out the first second time, coming back now a third time because

[48:42] more stuff is still continued to come out. If we're gonna shut it off, we

[48:46] definitely need to say we're going to shut it off and give our residents at

[48:48] least some time to understand that and be sensitive to all the help that the

[48:53] church is still coordinating getting to come in. The last thing we want is to

[48:57] have 30 people show up to help do things. They're doing things and they

[49:01] don't know any better than just put it out on the street. So, we've got to

[49:05] coordinate that at least. >> Well, obviously it'll beated and I I

[49:08] think we just need to figure out what >> Jim from a technical legal standpoint.

[49:13] It sounds harsh, but a property owner is responsible for removal of their own

[49:16] stuff and to take it to an appropriate place. Now, having said that, I know the

[49:20] town has volunteered, but the citizens need to know that everything you're

[49:24] doing is a nice gesture of what the town is doing as compared to that you have a

[49:28] legal responsibility. >> Yeah. And my understanding there there

[49:32] likely will be some funds recovered by the town. So,

[49:38] » but we don't know. But we don't do that. >> We don't.

[49:41] » And the last thing about that is there are some buildings where homeowners have

[49:45] set stuff out out of the street. They're at random spots in their yard. How are

[49:50] we going to treat that from a, you know, a town perspective of that debris

[49:55] setting out there? How are we going to get them to remove that? Is it going to

[49:58] end up falling back on us, Bob, because they're an absentee owner?

[50:03] And if so, we need to make sure that we have some coordinated effort, whether

[50:07] volunteers or staff or somebody that that's going to take that, you know,

[50:11] take that role on because the last thing we want is this stuff sitting here two

[50:15] months from now. >> Yeah. If you took it to an extreme, even

[50:18] that kind of litter, it could get to a point of making it an unsafe property

[50:22] that the town can go through all that process and ultimately get any of its

[50:26] own cost back through taxes if it ever breaks on a tax sale. But those are

[50:31] things you have to we're going to have to approach each step

[50:35] » additional help to that with this number of problems. I mean if it gets to that

[50:40] we're not going to be able to put that on our public

[50:46] » I mean we're we're trying we're doing our best in the gesture. Okay we're

[50:50] doing this but again what Bob just said I've said it for the last two weeks. It

[50:54] is the homeowner's responsibility to take care of their home. It is not the

[50:58] town responsibility. Everybody has stepped up in town. There's no doubt

[51:03] talking to these other people not from town and they come here and they want to

[51:10] I mean but we cannot hold their hand continuous. They've got to take that

[51:15] step up and take responsibility for their own actions and their own

[51:18] property. This is just going to continue. I'd be

[51:22] perfectly willing to help out, you know, going forward, but this idea of going to

[51:27] be down there for 60 hours a week. >> Yeah,

[51:33] » we've moved over a 100 dumpsters now. Those are

[51:36] » So, how much >> how much slowed down? I mean, how much

[51:38] could we >> pretty? Yeah, it slowed down quite a

[51:41] bit. I mean, it was heavy a week. >> We were like just constant. Today, we

[51:46] only got four to now. We had a four full sitting there that need to be called out

[51:52] morning. I've contacted the rum and best way about that. There'll be somebody out

[51:58] there tomorrow morning out there. But and I guess the perspective too for that

[52:01] Mike is that we have very few items just sitting on the ground with some

[52:05] exceptions oneoff things and some appliances. Everything that's come in

[52:09] the last two days has gone into a dumpster.

[52:12] » Yep. >> So that's that's a real good site. And

[52:14] and drove around you noticed that the streets are somewhat bare. The only only

[52:19] caveat to that is there's a lot of chemicals sitting there and I'm still

[52:22] not sure picking up chemicals the way we pick them up and putting them in a in a

[52:26] dumpster is is the best way to get rid of those chemicals.

[52:30] » Yeah. >> So,

[52:32] » they are separated out from everything else though.

[52:34] » Yeah. But they're still in a line. >> They're in a online dumpster. They have

[52:39] intermixed of chemical contaminations with them. Then you're be your own

[52:43] chemist. >> Yeah. Go that. We we haven't at least

[52:46] the groups that I've worked with for the last two and a half, three weeks, we

[52:49] haven't really picked up any chemicals. We've left those, you know, at the

[52:53] roadside, but that is going to be something either we have to publish

[52:57] something from the town. >> I'll follow up on that. I'm sorry.

[53:02] » I even worry about putting, you know, I didn't put uh heater, I didn't pick up

[53:06] heater, but I thought it had gas still in it because I didn't want to throw

[53:10] that into a general or appliance thing. But there is a lot of chemicals that are

[53:15] out there.

[53:26] [laughter] Yeah, I I don't but I know we have got

[53:31] we're probably pushing a million 1.4 million pounds.

[53:37] We just had a dumpster yesterday go up.

[53:44] » So So and I said we've done over a 100 dumpsters now. So

[53:49] » and just in volume and scale that doesn't include everything that's been

[53:52] taken off by private >> or that have transfer. We don't have a

[53:56] transfer station yet.

[53:59] » So that transfer number is still coming back to us as well.

[54:04] » That's pretty good.

[54:08] » Deb, you got anything? >> No, I don't.

[54:12] » Jim King, >> no. Bob,

[54:16] » no.

[54:21] Uh we did have the community impact award that we got for the pavilion from

[54:26] the county chamber >> and uh

[54:31] » we get like money or something

[54:38] » but it was nice to recognize what the impact that has to our community.

[54:46] All right for Jim already checked

[54:52] all in favor.

9/3/26 Special Meeting Cambridge City Town Council

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