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[0:08] All right, good evening, everyone. It's six o'clock. I'll tell tonight's meeting to
[0:13] the Canada Agua Town Board to order. We'll begin with the Pledge of Allegiance led by
[0:18] Council Member David Sotter.
[0:20] I pledge allegiance to the Republic of the United States of America, to the Republic of
[0:25] the United Nations, and to the nation on Earth and to the Republic of the United Nations.
[0:31] All right,
[0:37] Crystal, can you call the roll please?
[0:39] Council Member John Casey.
[0:41] Pleased to be here.
[0:43] Council Member Dave Sotter.
[0:44] Present.
[0:45] Council Member Terrence Fennelly.
[0:47] Equally pleased to be here.
[0:49] Supervisor Jared Simpson.
[0:51] I am present.
[0:52] You can also confirm that the meeting was properly advertised.
[0:55] Yes, well.
[0:56] Excellent.
[0:57] Thank you very much.
[0:58] So we have written communications and correspondence.
[1:00] We have the social media report and also the online traffic report from the sheriff's department.
[1:07] We do have our first privilege of the floor for the evening.
[1:12] So is there anyone who would like to address the board at this time?
[1:15] All
[1:18] right.
[1:18] Seeing no hands, we will continue.
[1:22] We have priority business of birthdays.
[1:24] So, happy birthday to Deb Boggs, Sue Cérensillon, Chris Litz, Shane Wheeler, Jim Fletcher, and
[1:30] Mark Deutschlander.
[1:32] Happy birthday to them.
[1:34] We do have a presentation, it's not on the agenda, but Karen DeMay is here to present
[1:41] on some cemetery information.
[1:47] I feel funny having my back to these people.
[1:51] All right.
[1:51] Good morning.
[1:52] Good morning.
[1:52] Good afternoon.
[1:52] This is a brief update of the activities of your cemetery committee.
[1:58] The committee has five appointed members, Judy and Dave York, Doug Stone, Dennis Brewer, and myself.
[2:05] We also have very dedicated individuals who attend meetings and provide valuable input.
[2:12] They are Donna and Richard West, Patty Steele, and Arlene Reeves.
[2:16] We benefit from their input along with the guidance of our town historian,
[2:21] Lee Ferguson. In just three years we have met regularly to tend to the care and attention
[2:27] of the town cemeteries. Many minutes of each meeting are submitted and posted on the town's
[2:34] website. In 2025 we have benefited by the continued restoration work on headstones and
[2:42] and monuments by Mr. Peter Ellis.
[2:45] As you know, a separate subcommittee works diligently
[2:50] to participate in the National Reads Across America Day.
[2:55] This year, the date is December 13,
[2:57] with participation at Academy, PUN,
[3:01] and new this year, Remington Route.
[3:04] Thanks to the guidance of Donald West,
[3:06] we provide proper respect to veterans
[3:09] and these cemeteries numbering 78. These are local heroes laid to rest. We are
[3:18] working out a plan with Highway Superintendent Jim Fletcher to access
[3:23] Landlock-Wilverton Red Dock Cemetery for much needed maintenance. We are working
[3:30] on proper signage that should be posted at Academy and Sandhill
[3:35] Cemetery. Our two active cemeteries regarding the town's burial and use requirements.
[3:42] I'd also like to thank Director of Parks and Rec,
[3:47] Reg Reynolds, for providing necessary brick and mortar repair to a corner post at
[3:54] Academy Cemetery. Along with this repair, his department always does a great job
[4:00] of regular care and mowing of our eight-town cemeteries.
[4:06] We are planning a cleanup day in spring of 2026.
[4:11] We will learn more of proper cleaning and care of headstones and monuments.
[4:16] We hope to do this on a weekday to include town employees.
[4:20] And of course, you are invited to participate and appreciate all our good works.
[4:26] Thank you for this opportunity to share our passion for preserving our cemeteries.
[4:32] In closing, every headstone represents a life once lived and the story ready to be told.
[4:38] Thank you.
[4:40] All right.
[4:40] Thank you very much.
[4:41] Thanks, Karen.
[4:43] Thanks for all that you guys do.
[4:48] Good job.
[4:51] Any, before you get too comfortable, are there any questions from the Board of the
[4:55] Cemetery Committee that you're dying to ask?
[5:00] Sorry, I had to get that in.
[5:03] Just for you, Karen.
[5:04] I had to get that in there.
[5:05] Wow.
[5:07] Leave it to the lawyer to be the last one to catch on.
[5:10] That's analyzed.
[5:11] Yeah.
[5:13] Yeah.
[5:14] That's going to cost us, isn't it?
[5:17] We do have a new public hearing tonight, a public hearing on a local law to override the
[5:22] tax cap levy for the fiscal year 2026.
[5:26] At this time, I declare the public hearing open and I want to invite anyone who would
[5:32] like to come forward to address the board at this time to do so.
[5:35] For
[5:42] one more time, is there anyone who would like to come forward at this time to address
[5:45] the board on the public hearing that is on the table?
[5:51] Any comment from the board?
[5:53] At this time I declared above appearing, so my reports of officials, Jim, do you have anything to add to your report?
[6:04] You know, just one thing that we had that phase of water may break the city.
[6:08] and there was lack of communication that we discussed afterwards to provide SOP
[6:20] for everybody who purchases from the city not just our town so that we can get
[6:27] the information out correctly and together so that we're not having multiple
[6:33] out of these sharing perhaps misinformation so the public can be
[6:39] correctly notified of what's going on. So that is something I'm working on to get
[6:47] that resolve going forward. Other than that, you know, we've been out twice for the
[6:53] winter season, not so major so far, but a lot of work for the expense that we
[6:59] put in two-wire salt reduction with the help of the watershed and the grant to use liquids
[7:06] and live edge plows, calibration, many of other stations and road watches is coming along.
[7:17] Things are looking good this year for reduction of salt and using our new C.M.
[7:24] software, which is like GPS on steroids. So it's a relief robust program for this. And
[7:34] I'm not going to continue to move on left. All right, excellent. Thank you.
[7:43] Chris Lynn, do you have anything in addition to your reports? No. All right. And my reports
[7:49] are in the agenda in the packet and I do not have anything additional to add either.
[7:55] reports of standing committees finance we're just working on all the year-end
[8:01] transfer stuff to make the balance out so that's what the words non will continue
[8:06] to work on the next needs all right public works Terry yeah we met in
[8:12] November 7th writing November 7th Jim covered some of the stuff that get
[8:17] more throat is open now for the winter until next year when you do the other
[8:22] excited about. When we had the agenda review last Thursday, the item I could not remember
[8:31] was the installation of the fiber optic condo. That was the, we talked about at the, oh it
[8:42] works me, this is a fiber optic condo, a fiber optic cable that would be put into
[8:50] a conduit, a city water treatment plant that would enable you to have a more
[8:58] secure access to what is going on with the pump station we installed three years
[9:05] ago. No, more than five.
[9:12] My age was like a
[9:15] continue on with the time.
[9:20] This is another way, a safer, more secure way, you know, to monitor
[9:27] that system. And the city has been putting this in. They've asked us to join with them for
[9:34] was a third of the cost, costed $200,000. You're asking us for $66,567 sometime next year,
[9:46] so something to think about. It's not an item in the budget, but this would come out of getting
[9:54] a consolidated... It comes from one appropriate account, a consolidated water structure.
[10:02] but wouldn't be a drag on the budget. Anyway, that was the item. It is something we probably
[10:08] should do for the town. But right now, given everything that's happened in this century
[10:14] from a terrorism standpoint, this is another way to monitor and secure our water supply
[10:24] Well, we currently use a cellular endpoint that is limited to the data that we can submit
[10:33] not only through data on data, but for the video of cameras for the future that we'd
[10:39] like to add to protect our water pump facility and partnering with the city says it's quite
[10:47] of money because it's about 4,500 feet from the nearest poll to our site to get
[10:54] fiber to it. This is something the city of the town talked about, that we built the
[11:01] water treatment facility but we didn't include it in that price because at the
[11:05] time it was not something either one of us wanted to spend money on but due to
[11:11] the constant I'll call terrorist threats that we receive from the
[11:16] State Department of Health who was doing what where trying to find a better way to protect our
[11:23] status system from being also attacked so that someone could potentially operate our equipment
[11:31] being also perhaps over-chlorinated water system. So which I hope would never happen,
[11:38] what's possible. So we also talked about the potential opportunity to partner with
[11:46] county through their home and security grant fund that we see right here. It's a critical
[11:50] infrastructure that aligns directly with the content of the grant that they get every year.
[11:58] We're nice not to keep them from tapping too. So that's my thought out at Public Works to
[12:05] discuss with Tom Orr to look at our future for us to have a hardware connection.
[12:14] Okay.
[12:18] All right.
[12:19] Thank you.
[12:19] John.
[12:20] We're done.
[12:23] Last, we left it.
[12:25] Fund-based code.
[12:27] It was going to be put in a draft form.
[12:29] And we're going to put it in a future public hearing.
[12:33] I recognize that, John.
[12:35] We're trying to get that done before the first of the year.
[12:39] That being said, unless I hear any shrunk of the hearing,
[12:44] objections otherwise. I'm going to pause any future ordinance committee meetings
[12:52] through the end of the year as there would only be one anyways and out of
[12:58] respect for and recognizing that there are still pending results for the
[13:05] election I think it's best to hold on the area ordinance committee meetings
[13:09] until after the first of the year because anything that we were to recommend anyways would have
[13:19] to come back before the board then we got the other public hearing on it then we would vote on
[13:22] which wouldn't occur until after the year anyway so that's my position on things and
[13:30] all right that's all we have perfect thank you. As for economic development I attended a
[13:37] meeting of the Finger Lakes Housing Consortium today, where I shared with them that the electrification
[13:43] mandates, again, we're talking about attainable housing within the county, projects that
[13:49] are going on, to meet the housing crisis, homeless crisis, that the electric mandates
[13:55] add about $30,000 to $40,000 to the price of a new home if you think of the demand
[14:00] that that's putting on the grid.
[14:03] electric school buses will cost, will be the equivalent if the Cannondale will fully electrify their school fleet, it will be the equivalent of the draw of East U Mall in Cannondale.
[14:15] So then Victor will have two East U Malls drawing the electrical grid, which we just cannot, we can't take that right now.
[14:22] I am grateful that the governor came to her senses and paused the electrification mandate for now.
[14:30] And hopefully, there will be, smarter heads will prevail and there will be a way to look at that
[14:36] and look at a different way rather than jamming that down our throats,
[14:39] which is something that does not work in this part of New York State.
[14:45] We continue to meet and advocate with our G&E.
[14:48] On November 7th, there was a regional meeting with them, John was able to attend that as
[14:53] well.
[14:54] Thank you for that input.
[14:55] You bet.
[14:56] Yep, where we continue to advocate, RGNEO is.
[15:00] Not very forthcoming in details. Just more general, generalities about some of the problems
[15:06] that they're facing, not really sharing with us where the electric is available and where
[15:12] they are expanding. I also got word back through another channel that the PSC is now telling
[15:22] our G&E that their future rate cases do not look good, that not to plan on any infrastructure
[15:30] investment as a result of the pause on the electrification mandate.
[15:35] So we have a pause on the mandate, which could allow us to catch up, but the PSC, the Public
[15:40] Service Commission, is potentially telling our G&E not to expect any influx of funding
[15:46] through the rate increase to allow them to build that infrastructure needed for
[15:51] electric. So it seems a little backwards to me, but that's what it is. And let me
[15:57] just piggyback on that for a second, please, George. Yes. In essence, what I
[16:02] learned at this meeting was that, and this is being told to us now by the
[16:09] CEO of RGD, New York State Electric and gas, and some for their upper
[16:16] officers. They told us at this meeting that they currently do not have enough power nor
[16:27] transportation infrastructure to deliver the demand on electric that they currently have
[16:33] for their existing customers. That means all of us that currently are being served.
[16:38] But if there's a new bus that goes online or there's a new house that goes online,
[16:44] in essence they're telling us they don't have enough infrastructure nor do they
[16:49] have enough power to supply those new customers and they proposed a three-year
[16:55] rate increase and the reason they did that was so they could go and fund some
[17:01] of the power and infrastructure requirements that are being asked of
[17:06] them currently that's not even taking into account what the future needs of
[17:12] the public are going to be. So it was a very dire picture that was painted by the CEO of
[17:21] RG&E and the New York State Electric, yes. So when I got out of it more than anything
[17:26] else is, we prepared a heck of a lot more money for our electricity as all the things
[17:32] around there are going.
[17:35] And then, thank you, John. And then it might, you know, coming back to economic development,
[17:42] Some of the new facilities, again, new businesses coming aligned, that is a serious challenge
[17:48] that they face.
[17:50] It would be nice if we could just run electrical lines as a town, but we don't have $25 million
[17:56] just sitting around to improve the infrastructure, and it's illegal.
[18:00] So that's the other thing, too.
[18:02] So our attorney would probably yell at us for that.
[18:04] You didn't put enforcement officer in sight by yourself?
[18:05] As long as yeah, as long as Murphy will sign off and I think he's up there. So I just saw a nod, then we'll go ahead and we'll go ahead and start doing it.
[18:14] So that's all I have for economic developments.
[18:18] We do have our next privilege of the floor. Is there anyone else would like to address the board at this time?
[18:34] Thanks, you guys appreciate the time to come up here today. In a few minutes, the board will be voting on the 2026 budget.
[18:45] It's a little awkward, as John pointed out, the results are not yet done from the election.
[18:51] But during my campaign, I promised to roll back the supervisor salary if I was elected.
[18:57] Here's the challenge.
[18:59] Just today it came to my attention that if you approve the supervisor salary that's
[19:04] currently in the 2026 budget, it cannot be reduced for three years without a special
[19:10] referendum.
[19:11] As a result, and I appreciate fully that I'm at the 11th hour on this, I would like to ask the Board to reduce the supervisor's salary in the budget by 50%.
[19:23] My understanding is, if ultimately I'm not elected when the final tally is done, the Board has the ability to increase the salary back up again.
[19:35] But for whatever reason, the state has a law that says that you cannot decrease the salary during the course of the term.
[19:41] So once again, that's a request I'd like to make to the board today. Thank you.
[19:46] All right. Thank you.
[19:48] Is there anyone else who would like to address the board at this time?
[19:56] Any online hands showing up there?
[19:59] All right. So we'll now move to our resolutions and motions for the evening.
[20:04] We have a conversation at the board level, or you're about those comments we just made
[20:10] by Mr. Cotter.
[20:11] Well, we can do that when we get to item number 16 for the budget.
[20:15] Yep, that's fine.
[20:17] All right.
[20:18] So, general ops and finance, number 14, authorizing budget transfers for general and
[20:24] highway funds.
[20:25] Okay.
[20:26] Moved by Terry, seconded by John.
[20:28] Any discussion on number 14?
[20:31] All in favor?
[20:32] Aye.
[20:33] Any opposed? That item carries.
[20:36] Number 15, adoption of the local law to override the tax cap levy.
[20:41] So moved.
[20:42] Moved by Dave, seconded by Terry.
[20:44] Any discussion on number 15?
[20:47] All in favor?
[20:48] Aye.
[20:49] Any opposed? That item carries.
[20:52] Number 16, adoption of the 2026 ton of Cannondale budget.
[20:56] Moved by Terry, seconded by Dave.
[20:59] All right, discussion.
[21:02] Chris, is what Mr. Cutter just discussed accurate?
[21:08] Yeah, for some reason I thought it was two years, not three years, but yes.
[21:12] Either way, I think that hasn't changed the general point of the matter that is correct.
[21:21] So let me ask the question, or let me say it differently.
[21:25] That begs the question for me, just because we have certain monies in individual line items
[21:32] of the budget doesn't mean we have to spend it, and often we overspend it.
[21:38] So why would the supervisor's budget be any different in that regard?
[21:46] And?
[21:47] Or even at the salary of a budget line?
[21:50] Well, I'm asking budget, because this is the budget.
[21:53] Now, the salary in my mind is a completely different conversation that has to take place
[21:59] at some point and could just as easily take place immediately after the first of the year.
[22:06] So there's New York City town laws such as 27, I believe, rushed through it here, but
[22:12] I believe that's something that says it has to be set at essentially what it was,
[22:17] That's what it was planned for during the election, which is later.
[22:23] Again, so yes, it can be that salary and we can't change it now unless we were to have
[22:29] a volna, right?
[22:31] Yes.
[22:32] Right now.
[22:33] Well, yes.
[22:34] Right now, it can't be modified, this salary can't be modified after the first of the
[22:40] year.
[22:40] That's my understanding.
[22:41] It can't be reduced.
[22:42] It can be reduced by referendums and rents.
[22:45] Yes, but it can't be, it's not like you're negotiating with an employee, there's a...
[22:52] We went through this two years ago, a year and a half ago, with it going the other way, with it going as an increase.
[23:00] Increase we can do, you can't decrease it.
[23:02] You can go on and keep it down.
[23:04] We went through this whole thing a few years ago with our justices, that we wanted to adjust the salary of one of them.
[23:13] You adjust it for one, you have to adjust it for both.
[23:17] And you could not start during the term that that individual was serving.
[23:22] I brought this up last week during the agenda review.
[23:27] And my understanding is that we have until November 24th to approve the budget.
[23:35] 20th to approve the budget.
[23:37] Three days from now.
[23:39] If we make it a change in the budget as it's outlined now, we have to go through the public
[23:45] hearing process.
[23:47] It has to be posted for X number eight.
[23:49] You have to come back again and make some kind of adjustment.
[23:56] So otherwise, this is what you said to me last Thursday.
[24:01] No, no, no.
[24:02] If you don't, we would have to amend it on the floor.
[24:04] we wouldn't have to do another public hearing because that was on the preliminary budget.
[24:09] After the preliminary budget public hearing, we then can amend it up to the time we adopted. However,
[24:18] my point was that it has to be amended on the floor. We have to go through and change
[24:26] everything for the amendments on the floor in here and then go back and then
[24:32] and rechanged everything in the budget prior
[24:34] to submit it and then submitted it to the county.
[24:40] But I got out of there trying last week
[24:43] for there wasn't enough time, there was a time constraint.
[24:47] No, legally, you can change the numbers
[24:50] in the preliminary budget today.
[24:54] You were so saying.
[24:55] I apologize, that's what you got.
[24:57] That was more for dealing with what you could grow
[25:00] three days from having to submit it to the county. And that's the timeline that I'm talking about.
[25:11] Because there's all sorts of background processes. After you're hanging on the floor there's a whole
[25:17] bunch of stuff that still has to then be done through our system and everything to then finalize
[25:23] and then get it to the county. Now the pound board could be the pound board would have to
[25:28] make a motion to amend that motion would be at the DAS, and then you'd have to vote on
[25:32] that.
[25:34] There is another option. Let me just pause you for a moment. What I believe I just
[25:41] heard was that if someone from the town board makes a motion right here tonight, we can
[25:47] vote on it and modify that budget that is up for vote. That's my understanding, yes.
[25:55] And I'll make that motion that we cut the supervisor's salary and the budget by 50%.
[26:04] So I'm here to see.
[26:07] So I make the motion.
[26:11] So there's a motion on the floor.
[26:12] Is there a second?
[26:13] Well, seconded.
[26:14] But I want more discussion on this.
[26:17] Not my understanding at all.
[26:18] Are you sure?
[26:21] Yep.
[26:22] I'm sure.
[26:22] not provide another option.
[26:25] It is legal to an elected official to donate salary back to the town in another capacity.
[26:39] So correct.
[26:41] So you can in a way reduce the salary through the donation of that portion of whatever portion
[26:51] your desire back to another portion of the budget.
[26:56] I hear that.
[26:57] I understand that.
[26:59] I think that I made a motion.
[27:02] I had it seconded and I'll just assume vote on that because it ends up
[27:07] being the same thing back to the town.
[27:10] Whether it's a donation or whether we modify the budget.
[27:14] Well, if that back to the town is cut in half, there's nothing to donate back.
[27:18] We'll reduce the budget by 50% of the supply rate.
[27:25] Doing it this way, doing it for John's resolution,
[27:30] we'll reduce the effective tax rate by whatever the reduction is.
[27:35] You would still have to, even if whoever is the supervisor donated half back,
[27:41] you would still have to charge the higher tax rate as if there was an offside.
[27:47] Well, we had that situation before Greg was, but we just bumped him up to cover that extra
[27:54] time.
[27:55] But this is cleaner doing it this way, so easier, but I did bring this up during the Agenda
[28:02] Review.
[28:03] Yes.
[28:04] This is my favorite review.
[28:05] I know you guys had talked about that during the campaign.
[28:11] I don't know if I can speak right, but I apologize once again, but as I talked about
[28:16] the campaign no one ever brought to my attention that January 1st or whatever that I could do that
[28:21] and so that's why I had to bring it today. I hope you have no ill feelings that I made the motion.
[28:33] So what I did mention in this general review is that if this was to occur we have to go through
[28:40] the lines of the budget, and then as the amendment, you know, that's what you were, Mahal. Well, first,
[28:49] let's vote to see what happens. Well, any further? No, hang on. So, what lines of the budget
[28:57] are we talking about? How many can there be? This is the number here. Well, that was a certain one.
[29:06] It's in the budget itself, it's one, and you've got to amend the actual resolution here.
[29:13] And then we have to amend the line in the budget group, which then also amend these auditors
[29:20] in the summer, in the past, or in the evening.
[29:24] You know, let us hold on a minute.
[29:25] Because it's basically a scratch.
[29:28] But the overview for the other ones is full of budget.
[29:36] And that's the timeline I was talking about just to be clear, because we're having to redo all this in the next couple of days.
[29:43] We're going to get it to the town, both of them.
[29:45] Just change the general fund by, you know, if it does not essential, right?
[29:50] And then the public fund.
[29:54] Yeah, you've got to review this.
[29:56] Well, you've got to go down.
[29:57] You can go down the soup.
[29:59] There's the actual sound.
[30:00] So, right there. So, we got to put that number on the record rather than what it's going to be.
[30:06] Then we got to back up and then put the number on the record for whatever it's going to be set by.
[30:14] And prior to accepting this, you didn't have to go back, you guys left the budget on the account code,
[30:20] and I reduced that number on the record while the account code was in here.
[30:28] And then we have a motion on the floor to approve the budget as written, is that correct?
[30:40] And then a motion to amend the budget.
[30:43] Yes.
[30:44] In that order again, please.
[30:47] So if there's a motion, we open the discussion on the budget.
[30:51] So, there's a motion, a first and a second to accept the budget, and that's number 16.
[30:58] And then we have a first and a second, a first by John and a second by Terry to reduce the
[31:05] supervisor's salary, 50% to amend that.
[31:09] So, there would be a vote first on the amendment, and then there would be a vote, well, just
[31:17] that would there would be a vote on that amendment and then we would continue looking through having
[31:21] other discussion on the budget. If there was other, if there were other items that needed
[31:26] amendment, those amendments would be voted on and then we would come back and vote on the budget
[31:32] as amended.
[31:34] Follow me? We're going to vote on the amendment first. We would have to vote on
[31:39] the amendment first and up or down vote on the amendment. And I'm going to recommend that
[31:45] in a minute, that we go over everything that the amendment needs to include, and that in
[31:51] a minute you'll withdraw your motion and then immediately make, you'll withdraw your motion
[31:57] with your seconds consent, and then immediately so move anew on that, that way we can detail
[32:05] everything that you're exact.
[32:08] I think you just said the opposite of what Jared said.
[32:11] No, no, no, no.
[32:13] Two amendments.
[32:15] What's that?
[32:16] You say we got two amendments.
[32:17] Why do we need two amendments?
[32:18] We have one amendment covered.
[32:20] No, so it would be the amendment.
[32:22] Is everything related to the Superman?
[32:24] There's any of the fallout according to this would be included in that amendment.
[32:31] So, we're going to vote on my amendment first?
[32:35] Yes.
[32:35] Yes.
[32:36] And then we're going to vote on a lot of fine budget fees, unless there are other amendments.
[32:43] Unless there are other messages.
[32:45] I'm sure you want to do this, Dan.
[32:49] So,
[32:52] any further discussion?
[32:55] Just need to clarify what we're voting on.
[32:58] So, reducing supervisor salary to 50% and all by 50%,
[33:05] and all other associated adjustments within the budget that would just be bookkeeping adjustments
[33:11] and not have an impact on this amendment. It's just a fallout.
[33:24] That's what we were voting on.
[33:26] Okay.
[33:30] All right. Okay. All in favor say aye. Aye. All opposed say nay. Nay. And I'm going to
[33:39] you vote present. So it is 2, 2, 1, 2, 1. So the motion does not carry, but we
[33:53] just saved
[33:53] you about three hours of your life.
[33:57] I think that would be way more than three hours of your life.
[33:59] Any other...
[34:00] Wait, sorry.
[34:01] Sorry.
[34:02] The motion did not carry.
[34:03] The motion did not carry.
[34:04] We're not doing spreadsheets.
[34:05] No.
[34:06] So don't do anything else.
[34:08] Don't change anything.
[34:09] No, that's...
[34:10] And I'll say it one more time. It did not carry because a couple of years ago,
[34:15] go, we had a similar two vote situation and I said it didn't carry. And there are some
[34:20] people very confused with the fact that it didn't carry when there were two people who
[34:25] voted on it because there were three people at the meeting. So anyhow, all right. Now
[34:31] you have the budget as is. Well, any other amendments to the budget, any other proposed
[34:36] amendments to the operating budget? All
[34:45] right. So as far as item number 16, the adoption
[34:49] of the 2026 Town of Cannondale will budget. All in favor say aye.
[34:53] Aye. Aye. All opposed say nay.
[34:56] Nay. All right. So the vote is three to one. And that item carries.
[35:07] All right. Item number 17, setting of public hearings,
[35:10] transfer from the general fund contingency and tax stabilization
[35:13] reserve to the retirement contribution reserve.
[35:17] So whoop. Was that you, Terry?
[35:19] Yeah, loop by Dave seconded by Terry any discussion on number 17
[35:24] All in favor, aye. Any opposed that item carries
[35:29] number 18 establishment of the parts and recreation capital reserve fund pursuant to
[35:35] general general municipal law 6c
[35:38] So move by Dave seconded by Terry any discussion on number 18
[35:43] All in favor, aye. Any opposed that item carries
[35:49] Number 19 finding of completed purpose for solid waste management reserve reserve fund so move by Dave second and by Terry any discussion and
[36:02] I will say that this fund was set up for the transfer station improvements according to the building up for the landfill closure
[36:09] But as we go through with the closure of the landfill any transfer station improvements
[36:15] My intent was to advocate any improvements come from county reserve funds to help the municipalities make those changes.
[36:26] So there's still a small amount in the transfer station reserve, but as far as the rest, it's being moved to other places.
[36:34] All in favor, aye.
[36:35] Aye.
[36:36] Aye.
[36:36] Any opposed?
[36:37] That item carries.
[36:38] Number 20, authorization to transfer funds from the Solid Waste Management Reserve Fund
[36:45] to Parks and Recreation Capital Reserve Fund and Highway Improvement Reserve Fund.
[36:50] So moved.
[36:53] We'll give that move by Terry, seconded by John.
[36:56] I think I heard a second over there.
[36:57] Did you second that too?
[36:59] Terry did.
[36:59] All right.
[37:00] I'll give it to Dave and Terry.
[37:02] Any discussion on number 20?
[37:06] All in favor say aye.
[37:07] Aye.
[37:07] Aye.
[37:07] Okay, any opposed?
[37:09] That item carries.
[37:11] Number 21, acceptance of the proposal from MRB Group
[37:14] for the fire station, oil and water separator replacement.
[37:18] This is moved by Terry, seconded by Dave.
[37:21] Any discussion on number 21?
[37:23] Yeah, I think it's good to mention
[37:26] so the public is aware that the intent is
[37:29] that the town will install the separator,
[37:32] self-perform the installation of that.
[37:34] I think that's very cost-effective for the public. It eliminates us having to go through
[37:42] the public bidding process and to pay the prevailing wage rates for that work. So I
[37:50] just think that Jim ought to get a clue to on that for performing that work for us.
[37:57] And I just thought the public should be aware of these types of issues.
[38:02] I think from MRV as well, because design that tool that we've got will make it through.
[38:08] Are you keeping track of how much you've saved us this year by installing and running things?
[38:14] No, roughly not.
[38:15] Kind of roll under my head, but I won't say it because I want to keep you humble, but
[38:20] even though you didn't say hi to me?
[38:22] Yeah, we've got it.
[38:24] them all right we said also what's this well water separator is installed properly
[38:32] and brought up to current code the next iteration the next contract with the city they will be
[38:40] maintaining everything at that site and the past events on debate regarding the language in the
[38:49] contract, what constitutes maintenance.
[38:53] And this is the year when both contracts,
[38:57] Cheshire and the city, come up again for next year.
[39:02] Those of you that are interested,
[39:04] I'm sure you've seen those numbers rising like crazy,
[39:07] but they will be responsible for everything that happens
[39:11] in their site.
[39:13] They do not want to build any itself,
[39:16] But
[39:18] It will be responsible, so we'll give them a building that's
[39:25] Well suited for you, so as long as their council passes my hands that yeah, so
[39:30] Well, they don't pass contract. They don't get the one point two million. No
[39:36] One point four six. So point four six. So with that. This is fire station, too
[39:40] Which is behind me flowers. That's not a plug from it next to me flowers
[39:43] It's not a plug for any one flower shop over another one. It's just where it's located
[39:48] Our contribution to the city fire department is one point four six million dollars this year
[39:54] City council has made it very clear that they expect because of the new fire study and the new demand for
[40:00] fire protection that our
[40:03] Our contribution will go up is what they're saying that
[40:07] That we need to be prepared for a larger contribution and a larger ask to meet those needs
[40:14] Anybody who looks at fire protection and thinks it's going to go down is pretty much clueless.
[40:20] The costs do not go down with fire protection, especially with the mandates put on the fire departments in the need.
[40:28] However, if the town of Cannondale were to pull back, which I am not advocating,
[40:34] but were to pull back and have no contract with the city,
[40:37] They would still need the same number of firefighters with or without us as part of their protection district.
[40:45] So it's really important to remember that prices are going up all over the place.
[40:51] Firefighters, $150,000 a year, 125 to 150 by the time you're done with training and equipment and everything else.
[40:58] And the study is going to come out that they almost need to double the size of their quality.
[41:02] He needed to have another nine for ten to their department, which that adds up really quickly.
[41:11] So anyway, but this will alleviate. We have a great relationship with them,
[41:14] and I appreciate the relationship with their fire department,
[41:17] and this will help them have a little better building and keep up on that building.
[41:22] All right, so as far as number 21, all in favor say aye.
[41:25] Aye.
[41:25] Any opposed?
[41:27] That I don't care.
[41:30] Number 22, acceptance of storage tank and equipment rental agreement.
[41:34] Second.
[41:36] Moved by Terry, seconded by Dave.
[41:38] Any discussion on number 22?
[41:42] This more question just looked like it was a rent to purchase agreement.
[41:47] And I thought that was a great opportunity.
[41:51] And again, Jim, thank you for taking advantage of that
[41:55] further discussion.
[41:58] All in favor say aye.
[41:59] Aye.
[42:00] Any opposed?
[42:00] item carries. Item number 23, appointment of the director of development.
[42:07] So moved.
[42:08] Moved by Terry, seconded by Dave. Any discussion on number 23?
[42:14] Paul, in favor say aye.
[42:15] Aye.
[42:16] Any opposed, say nay.
[42:17] Nay.
[42:18] All right. That item carries 3 to 1.
[42:24] Number 24, authorizing the 2026 dental care program selection and contract execution.
[42:30] So moved.
[42:31] Moved by Dave, seconded by Terry.
[42:33] Any discussion on number 24?
[42:37] All in favor say aye.
[42:38] All in aye. Any opposed? That item carries.
[42:43] Number 25, setting a public hearing on a proposed local law amending Chapter 92,
[42:49] construction codes uniform to align with the 2025 New York State Codes.
[42:56] Moved by Terry, seconded by Dave. Any discussion on number 25?
[43:03] Again, I think the public should be made aware of the fact that New York State has modified
[43:10] its building code requirements and regulations and what this resolution does is puts the
[43:21] town in sync with what the state requirements are.
[43:27] Yeah, that's one I think the public should be made aware of.
[43:30] It's not as if we are adding codes indiscriminately to our building codes.
[43:38] Well, thank you for pointing out to us by Mike,
[43:41] if you are a lead code enforcement officer during this discussion,
[43:46] the ordinance committee was at the number of inspections,
[43:51] or like a single family house in Bodle had been around 20 infections and our people
[43:58] would have to perform before we get on the boat some 34.
[44:02] I thought it said 43.
[44:04] Was it 43?
[44:05] It was 43.
[44:07] It was 46.
[44:08] Yeah, no.
[44:09] Learnless has got it back.
[44:10] Almost double.
[44:12] Mikey, up there.
[44:13] He's probably sleeping.
[44:14] Don't put him on the spot.
[44:15] It was a lot.
[44:16] It was roughly double.
[44:17] And they're also going to have schematic drawings for HVAC and all that.
[44:21] Yeah, that's right. That's another good point.
[44:24] For a single family home, you have stamp drawings for...
[44:29] 35? You guys weren't even close. 35.
[44:32] I was closer than they were.
[44:35] But it's great.
[44:39] So, in essence, what that means to a person that is going to build a home,
[44:44] Typically in New York with home building, the HVAC, the heating ventilation and air conditioning,
[44:52] the electric and the plumbing is generally done on a design-built basis.
[44:57] That saves the consumer...
[45:00] A lot of money by not having to go through a design professional to provide those drawings
[45:07] to the town for review and approval. What this ordinance or what this code now is going to
[45:13] do is going to require every single family home to have the HVAC, heating, ventilation,
[45:19] and air conditioning, plumbing, and electric designed by a professional prior to it being
[45:27] approved by the town for a building and that's just going to add. It depends on
[45:34] the home on an average let's say half a million dollar home it could add
[45:39] probably five to seventy five hundred dollars worth of cost. It's going to add a lot. It's going to cost a lot for our audience. Costs and time. Costs and time.
[45:49] That's just the design work that I'm talking about that's going to cost
[45:54] an additional five to seventy five hundred dollars and not being more in
[45:58] forehousing out of attainability. Again it's just adding to the cost of homes via
[46:05] mandates rather than via positive construction because it doesn't matter
[46:11] because there's no power anyway. No I know it doesn't matter. Yep. Well wood, candles,
[46:19] Yeah.
[46:20] For now.
[46:21] And this is just setting a public hearing for the records.
[46:26] All right.
[46:26] Just for item number 25, all in favor say aye.
[46:29] Aye.
[46:29] Any opposed, nay.
[46:31] Item number 25 carries.
[46:33] Number 26, acceptance of the surety payments.
[46:37] Second.
[46:38] Move by Terry, second by Dave.
[46:40] Any discussion on number 26?
[46:42] All in favor say aye.
[46:44] Aye.
[46:44] Opposed, nay.
[46:46] Item number 26 carries.
[46:47] number 27 acceptance of the gem coal renewal surety bombs so move by Dave
[46:55] seconded by John any discussion on number 27
[47:23] Okay, so for item number 27, all in favor say aye.
[47:27] Aye.
[47:28] Any opposed?
[47:29] Nay.
[47:30] 27 carries.
[47:31] Number 28, authorizing the execution
[47:33] of a stormwater access easement and maintenance agreement
[47:37] for ferricels.
[47:38] So moved by Terry, seconded by John.
[47:41] Any discussion on number 28?
[47:43] I would like to thank staff for working on that,
[47:45] especially our attorney.
[47:48] They reached out kind of behind the eight ball,
[47:50] trying to get in with a little bit
[47:51] of more decent weather.
[47:53] Staff was able to push that through a little bit,
[47:55] following our same process but just expediting things. They are expanding
[48:00] their memory care unit at Ferris Hills. Some of their locked units needed for
[48:05] their Alzheimer's and dementia care which is very much needed for our
[48:10] community. So for number 28, all in favor say aye.
[48:14] Aye. Aye. Any opposed? Nay. Number 28 carries.
[48:21] For the consent agenda we have
[48:23] of the meeting minutes is outlined and we have the payment of the bills is outlined in the
[48:30] abstract B and C. Negative motion to approve the consent agenda. So we'll move by Dave,
[48:40] seconded by Terry. Any discussion? All in favor? Say aye.
[48:45] Aye.
[48:46] Aye.
[48:47] Aye.
[48:47] That in carries
[48:50] There any other business to come before the board at this time?
[48:55] We do not have any requests to enter executive session any requests from the board and our executive session
[49:02] Do we have an example we do have the walk-in resolution if we can bring that up
[49:07] While we're doing that Chris, you don't have an executive session request for you. Okay
[49:13] We do have one walk-in resolution.
[49:15] This came in because at the end of last week, we received the dog control service agreement
[49:20] from Ontario County.
[49:21] This is allowing us to sign that contract.
[49:25] Our allocation is $31,441.
[49:29] The county recently went through and redid their formula based more on population.
[49:34] Cities of Canada and Diego, cities of Geneva took a larger hit, a larger percentage
[49:39] of an increase. And so this is on the record. We contract with Ontario County, we contract
[49:48] with Ontario County. Ontario County contracts with Humane Society. This helps with those
[49:54] dog control services. If we did not do this, we would have to have our own contract. Plus,
[50:01] we would have to have our own pound within the town of Canandaigua. So there are not
[50:05] many dogs you can put in that room right there and still be ethical and legal.
[50:09] So basically they do this because it's too much for us to do and it's in
[50:14] practical for each town to have their own dog control so we contract through the
[50:19] county. So this carry-on resolution that is before us, can I get a motion?
[50:24] I move.
[50:25] It's a motion by Terry, second by Dave. Any discussion?
[50:30] Yeah, again, this is another one I think it's a public that we've made
[50:33] aware of. We spend more on catching dogs in our town than we do on saving lives. We do
[50:41] more, hey, it costs us more in our budget to collect these dogs than we give to the
[50:49] Canada Drug Emergency Medical Service squad. And I have an issue with that personally.
[50:57] And if I'm not mistaken, based on the numbers I saw, we collect approximately 25
[51:03] $25,000 or $26,000 for this and it's costing approximately $31,500.
[51:10] So, you know, we're a little bit in the red on this line item.
[51:15] We should talk about that next time we discuss the budget.
[51:19] Maybe you'll contribute to the mercy flight and others what they ask us to contribute.
[51:25] You forget that part.
[51:27] She's not setting the number generally.
[51:29] Absolutely.
[51:29] You're right.
[51:30] We give them what they ask for.
[51:31] You're right.
[51:32] Does that only produce numbers as to how many dogs on the calls end?
[51:36] Do you have that location?
[51:37] Not on the number of calls.
[51:39] They just take the budget for that service and they equalize it based on population.
[51:48] I know there are other things that went in because that is why the city and the city
[51:53] of Geneva, the cities went up the most because they have the most calls in the most employees.
[51:59] But again, you can't tell.
[52:02] They just took in 20-some dogs recently that were taken out of a condemned residence.
[52:09] So you never know.
[52:11] And they're looking at an expansion of that building, too, because they do not have the
[52:14] space that they need to meet the dogs that come in, plus they're an opal shelter.
[52:19] So they have animals that have been there for several years, unfortunately.
[52:26] We don't have an option.
[52:29] We don't have.
[52:30] This is mandated.
[52:31] It's mandated.
[52:32] Yeah.
[52:32] And we can't negotiate.
[52:34] We could hire someone.
[52:37] That could be less expensive than $9,000.
[52:44] $21,000.
[52:45] $20,000.
[52:46] Yes.
[52:47] Did you say that they were strays?
[52:49] No.
[52:50] They were taken from a home.
[52:52] They went into a home.
[52:54] They pulled out.
[52:54] it was, and I'm drawing a blank on, it wasn't here. I'm drawing a blank on where it was somewhere.
[53:00] All the way. Yeah, yeah. No, and they went and the house was a mess, and they pulled the animals,
[53:09] and they gave the people tickets, and then they left to appear in court for that. And then the
[53:16] words that were on the hook, taking care of the animals, and treating them in vet care,
[53:21] and nursing them back to life which you know spent a lot of money fixing stupid
[53:27] things that people do all over the place. Alright any other business to come up for
[53:33] the board? I'll ask them one more time. Yeah we got a vote on it. Did we get sidetracked on?
[53:37] Yeah. I do not have a number written down. All in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed say
[53:42] nay. That item carries. Thank you. Not see my number. No. Alright I'll
[53:47] entertain a motion to adjourn. So moved. Moved by David, seconded by Jerry. All in favor?
[53:53] Aye. Meeting is adjourned.