[0:03] Welcome everyone to our regular town council meeting. It's Wednesday, August

[0:07] 19th at 6:30 p.m. We're at lap 2 Castle Valley Drag. We're also available on

[0:12] Zoom tonight. Um we're going to go ahead and do a

[0:16] quick roll call and then we'll open with open public comment.

[0:21] So here we have Jasmine Duncan, Robert O'Brien, Tory Hill, Emily Gibson, Harry

[0:28] Holland, Doré Honer, Colleen Thompson, Ron Drake, Eggmont Honer, Li Wellins,

[0:35] and guest star Neil Herbert.

[0:41] » I'll go ahead and open uh the public comment.

[0:47] » I've got something. Um, I just wanted to make sure everybody was aware of the DWR

[0:53] and the simpler negotiations going on the Lasowl blocks. So, they've entered

[0:59] into a purchase agreement where the DWR if they get the money, they'll buy um

[1:05] there two blocks of land up on the mountains that are set property. So,

[1:11] it's about I think the north one's about 12,000 acres and the south one's about

[1:16] 14 15,000 acres. Um, so that's a negotiation and no

[1:22] defending the chat, but I just wanted people to know about that.

[1:26] » And those those are out of our wershed. They are just barely just barely.

[1:31] » Yeah. Just right on the other side. >> Yeah.

[1:34] » That goes into a public reserve or like a wildlife is what they're looking at.

[1:39] » Well, the DWR would actually own it. >> They'd manage it. They say they would

[1:43] manage it pretty much like it is now with hunting

[1:46] » recreation and grazing too. So >> not not the parcels that are in our

[1:52] wershed. >> No, it's the it's the two big blocks. If

[1:56] you look on a map, they're big blue chunks on top of all the cells.

[2:00] » Oh, okay. >> One on the south, one on the north.

[2:02] » Okay. >> So, yeah, it's just over the ridge from

[2:05] our road. >> Okay. Robin asked my question. So,

[2:12] » other open public comment. Neil, did you want to introduce yourself?

[2:16] » Yeah, I will take that opportunity. Um, hi everyone. My name is Neil Herbert and

[2:20] I'm running for the atlarge seat. I'm a Korean county commission currently

[2:25] occupied by a field. Um just to give you a brief background um I moved here in

[2:32] 1994 to uh to work for Cany National Park and

[2:36] I continued work for parks here for about 20 years. Uh at the same time

[2:41] around the late 90s I started a web development business and uh produced a

[2:46] lot of websites for businesses nonprofits uh all over town including

[2:50] the town of Castle Valley. We determined sometime in the early 2000s or around 28

[2:55] 2007. Um in 2013 I got a job offer in Yellowstone. I couldn't fuse and left

[3:01] for about 13 years. Went to Yellowstone, worked for the parks service, moved to

[3:04] Boise, Idaho, worked for Department of the Interior in various capacities. Um

[3:10] but last year I left the government and also left the web development behind and

[3:15] moved back to MA and my new job is running Karen County.

[3:20] Um so happy to meet you all. Uh I firmly believe that the Grand County that Grand

[3:26] County deserves um leadership built on trust, respect, and collaboration. I

[3:31] think that's been lacking somewhat from what I've seen in recent meetings. Um

[3:36] and uh if you agree with that or if you disagree with that, I'd love to talk to

[3:40] you more. I am going to be back here next Thursday. There's a get to know the

[3:45] candidates event, I believe, here at 6:30. Um, and I'll be here along along

[3:50] with a few other candidates. So, and get a chance to talk a little more in depth,

[3:54] but wanted to come out early and introduce myself and watch a Castle

[3:58] Valley Town Council meeting. So, thank you.

[4:02] » Thanks, Neil. >> You're in for a show.

[4:06] » Any other open public comment tonight? >> Okay, we'll move on to item two,

[4:12] approval of the minutes. First, the minutes from our regular town council

[4:15] meeting of July 15, 2026.

[4:21] I move we approve those as presented. >> Second.

[4:25] » Further discussion. All in favor? >> I

[4:29] » I >> abst.

[4:31] » And then um approval of the minutes from our public hearing on the tax increase

[4:35] from August 12th, 2026. So keep in mind these are sent to you in

[4:41] a PDF form because public hearing minutes are pretty much

[4:46] verbatim. We're not very concerned about typos.

[4:50] We do have to get these minutes to the state like tonight.

[4:57] So with all that in mind, are there any obviously

[5:02] big blenders? That's what that we need to address.

[5:08] » I move we approve those. >> Second.

[5:11] » Any further discussion? All in favor? I I understand.

[5:17] Okay, we'll move into item three, executive reports. Um, our water agent

[5:21] water advisory committee report. John and Obie, you're up.

[5:27] » Or I guess I'll go first since I was at the WAC meeting. Um, we had a very

[5:33] informative meeting. We covered our usual topics pretty quickly, but the

[5:38] main event of the meeting was an appearance on Zoom by attorney attorney

[5:43] Emily Lewis. Sue Bellagamba arranged this. They have a relationship from

[5:47] Sue's days at the Nature Conservancy. And Emily um basically

[5:53] explained the current state and and the concept of

[5:57] water banking and water leasing to us and it was very informative. I I again I

[6:04] she was quick to point out this is a you know the whole thing is a work in

[6:09] progress but but she gave us kind of where an overview of where it seemed to

[6:13] be heading and what um how it would probably need to be approached in the

[6:18] future if it became a strategy that Castle Valley wanted to employ. It was

[6:23] it was time very well spent. Um, I've asked her asked Emily if she could if

[6:28] she had a PowerPoint presentation. Um, if if she could send that to us. Um,

[6:34] maybe she sent it to Sue. I have not seen it yet.

[6:38] Anyway, it was it was great. Um, I can't say enough good things about her. Um,

[6:43] speaking of attorneys, um, as at the last meeting, we agreed I could go ahead

[6:47] and and contact the town, the current town water attorney

[6:52] regarding proposed revisions to the water use ordinance and the water use

[6:56] agreement and permit. I've attempted to do that. I emailed him and got no

[7:02] response for what seemed like enough time that I then called. And um, I did

[7:08] get him. And apparently his father, the senior Jonathan Clyde, had died just a

[7:15] few days earlier and they're all kind of wrapped up in that. And we agreed that

[7:20] the attorney John Clyde that we work with would call me sometime this week.

[7:23] He'd review what I he would review what I had sent him and we'd get our heads

[7:28] together this week. It hasn't happened yet, but that's still the plan. Um I

[7:32] think that's pretty much all I have.

[7:37] » Obby, anything to add? The only thing I add is the one thing they that Lewis

[7:42] said basically was our 40-year plan as a town gives us a fair amount of

[7:49] protection. And then it's a bit unclear what we might do after that, but there

[7:56] was a lot of food for thought that I'm sure we'll be discussing at the water

[8:00] committee. Did you have Amy?

[8:04] » I did listen to the recording and of course pretty good minutes by minutes

[8:10] shar. So um well well done. >> Yeah, very well done and and what we

[8:17] referred to the 40-year plan. That is kind of the

[8:21] the the key to the the the protect the basically the the statutory

[8:28] um authority towns have to maintain unused water rights um stemming from the

[8:35] 2009 Utah Supreme Court decision. Um and and the town does have a 40-year plan.

[8:41] One was filed at that time. Um, which means it's due for renewal in what,

[8:47] spare me the arithmetic, 23 more years. Um, I talked to Chad

[8:54] about it. Um, Chad, excuse me, cash and and you know, and he said basically you

[8:59] can renew them any time if if you know if there's fundamental changes in in in

[9:05] your water reality or whatnot, you you can you can update your 40-year plan at

[9:09] any time. I've talked to Sarah about that. I don't think we're planning on

[9:14] taking any immediate action, but it's something to sort of keep in mind to be

[9:17] proactive about that because that really is

[9:20] again the key to the protections that towns enjoy with respect to water

[9:24] rights. >> John,

[9:28] » can I ask something? Um, you had sent us an email maybe last week, but I can't

[9:33] find now for some reason about comments on the state's water plan.

[9:37] » Yeah, John, did you happen to look at that and is there any reason that we

[9:40] need to look at that? I I looked at it. I not not in great detail. I scanned it.

[9:46] Um I don't think there's much reason to comment on it. Um it

[9:52] looked pretty good to me. Um again, I didn't see nothing jump off the

[9:58] page at me. That's something we would want to register our feelings about. And

[10:03] of course, um would they pay attention anyway? This is this is the state. Um,

[10:09] » well, I just wanted to make everybody aware of it mostly.

[10:12] » Yeah, and I'm glad you did because I I was unaware of it until you till you

[10:15] sent that link. Um, you know, but I got to say that Utah, for all the misgivings

[10:20] we might have about other ways the government functions, is is always been

[10:24] pretty forward thinking and and and and about water. In other words, I I I I

[10:29] tend to trust the people at the state level who are who are managing water and

[10:34] the and the current state engineer and others. I don't always agree with them,

[10:37] but I think they doing their best and and and and thinking things through and

[10:41] and and um you know, planning wisely. >> Well, that's good to hear.

[10:48] » Yeah. >> Thanks.

[10:53] Any other questions for the guys? Okay, we'll go ahead and move on to the rub

[10:59] department report. Questions for Dorier? Additions from Dorier.

[11:04] » Um I had a question. So, uh, side repair cost estimates. Um, so Lebrand bid that

[11:11] out at $9 a foot and from your >> It wasn't actually a bid. This was a

[11:17] project that they had done previously. Um, so it was just what the end value

[11:22] ended up being for them. Uh, it's kind of just as a

[11:26] » on a similar situation or >> Yeah. The essentially the same process.

[11:31] » Uhhuh. And um you came in at 450 a square foot. Is that after you and

[11:37] Eggmont did a bunch of the repairs and then

[11:40] » Yes. So the last two sets of patches we got down to about that value. Before

[11:46] that it was a little bit higher. Um just kind of optimizing what we're doing. Um

[11:52] granted a big part of that is still the material. So the cold patch is

[11:57] essentially $250 out of $450 per square foot.

[12:01] Um, so realistically, I'm not sure how much lower you can get, but that's the

[12:07] contract price versus ours. >> I was very impressed at the grading job.

[12:12] I don't know who who was running the machinery, Eggmont. That was awesome. I

[12:17] couldn't imagine how you didn't tear up more of the asphalt than you did. I

[12:22] mean, seriously, >> it was more the files than blade.

[12:26] » I know. I could tell that. And I'm I am in awe that your ability to run that

[12:32] greater. So, thank you. That was that was great. Good job.

[12:37] » Really good job. >> Saved us a lot of money.

[12:40] » Well, hopefully >> they're making more work.

[12:44] » Yeah. Um so, we've kind of optimized that. There may be some equipment that

[12:49] could make this an easier process in the future. Take less time, less equipment,

[12:54] things like that. Um, at this at this stage, it's totally research. It's kind

[12:59] of out there seeing if it would work. Um, I'm pretty sure I mentioned it in

[13:03] there, cold in place recycling. I can send you some resources on that if

[13:07] you're interested. But essentially what it is is instead of um getting fresh

[13:12] material in um the cold mix asphalt, uh we would just use the torn up uh asphalt

[13:21] off the road with the mill. Um this is hopeful. Um it is done on larger

[13:27] machines but smaller scale may not be as viable. Um but hopefully it would

[13:35] eliminate bringing in new material. You would just bring in the oil and mix it

[13:39] with the >> the

[13:41] » with the old asphalt. Um and it would also eliminate getting rid of the refues

[13:45] which is one thing that is not included in the $450

[13:49] » and we would have to take it to Klondike. So, it is a trip.

[13:53] » And as you were doing that, does it seem cost effective for you two to be doing

[14:01] all of that work, or is that going to be a big deal?

[14:07] » I mean, for the most part, we probably have more edge repair to do than most

[14:13] people would. Um, at some point, they'd probably just pave it or do whatever

[14:17] else with it. Um, so we're kind of in a neat unique position there. Um,

[14:24] but I think with machines the time especially could be optimized because

[14:30] right now um, essentially each pothole is two to three

[14:35] hours guaranteed plus an hour or two of prep on either end. Um, getting things

[14:40] ready, cleaning up afterwards. Um, and if things go well with other equipment,

[14:46] it could be reduced massively. I'm not sure how far, but um, I have started

[14:52] talking to CAT and some other equipment suppliers to hopefully get

[14:57] demonstrations and things like that to see if this these kinds of pieces of

[15:02] equipment would suit our purposes or not. So

[15:05] » I think my my biggest concern with the amount of side work that we need to have

[15:11] done >> now before we chip seal my question is

[15:15] more like I see I see that amount of work becoming

[15:21] more of a capital project than I do an operational

[15:25] project. >> Yeah. I don't want to see all of that

[15:28] coming out of our operational budget because it would take our entire year's

[15:32] budget. >> The question I mean right now we're not

[15:36] we're essentially not full-time and the thing is if you contract it out it's

[15:41] going to cost you at least twice as much essentially. That's

[15:45] » but what I'm saying is is that if we're going to have you do it in house, you

[15:49] also need to do your regular maintenance. So the money for that I

[15:54] think should be coming out of capital >> not out of our operational budget and

[15:58] has to be in addition to maintenance that already needs to be done. And if

[16:03] that's all good with everybody and everyone's time,

[16:09] » well, that that is one of the considerations because essentially if

[16:14] this type of system works optimally or the dream situation for it,

[16:20] I'm not expecting that by any means, but essentially the 4hour thing could be

[16:24] reduced to like 15 minutes with maybe 30 minutes of prep on either side, but then

[16:30] you could do essentially a full day of just doing all the potholes. You have

[16:34] one hour of crap and you get a lot of work. So,

[16:37] » and we could buy the equipment out of the capital funds. That would

[16:41] essentially be the the idea. >> Yeah,

[16:43] » eventually. Um, >> so then that would be the question. Can

[16:48] we afford the equipment with what we have in capital?

[16:52] » My question is more >> how quickly does the equipment become

[16:57] worth it? >> No. How much time do you guys want to

[17:00] put in? I mean, you've been, you know,

[17:04] seriously, because you've been hired as a part-time position and then that

[17:08] makes, you know, your whole year. Oh, now I'm working full-time.

[17:12] » Well, it didn't work last year.

[17:22] » Very part time. Let me rephrase. >> Yeah. because because they were saving

[17:26] money because the >> profit

[17:28] » trying to save money and which they did which is awesome because

[17:31] » now the big project is the asphalt at the sides. I mean

[17:36] » one example that I wasn't even fully aware of but uh between pace and

[17:41] Buchanan where we just put the four in where it sticks out is actually the

[17:45] original road. There's essentially two feet missing off of that whole section

[17:50] of road >> that needs to be put back on. So

[17:53] essentially the $450 price that we're talking about just between Pace and

[17:58] Buchanan and the dog leg is probably 20 or 30,000 as it stands. So it's going to

[18:07] be expensive one way or the other. Um we could potentially abandon the outer 2

[18:14] feet of quite a bit of the road and just reduce it down to 10T.

[18:19] So, right now the original width was 12 feet per lane.

[18:24] » Um, but it's that's going to be a consideration. U,

[18:30] and if you have the equipment and you can

[18:35] bring down the price and the time with that, it makes it easier to deal with in

[18:39] the future and less of a hassle. >> As long as you have people to use the

[18:43] equipment. >> Yeah.

[18:45] » And what kind of equipment are you talking about? So the basis of it or

[18:51] essentially one of the core pieces of equipment is what's called a cold

[18:55] planer. It's essentially a bunch of carbide teeth on a drum that spins

[18:59] around chews up the asphalt and little bits. Um

[19:04] and like one of the things right now is we're often doing quite a bit of the

[19:08] work with a pickaxe and the equipment. I mean you guys got

[19:13] lucky that I'm under 30. I don't know if you'll get that lucky again. Probably

[19:17] easier to have somebody operate equipment than to be

[19:20] » swinging a pickaxe out in 100 degree weather. So,

[19:24] » uh that's kind of another consideration there. Uh

[19:28] » and you're not going to be under 30 long.

[19:30] » No, I know. It's running out. >> Well, that's also that's a huge

[19:35] consideration because we're not really attracting a lot of people under 30

[19:38] either. And I see a lot of these things probably

[19:42] are going to have to be contracted in the future

[19:45] » potentially >> and we're probably going to end up

[19:47] selling all this equipment because we won't have anybody to run it.

[19:52] » That's like reality.

[19:57] » So you get back to us on how much this equipment should cost it.

[20:02] » Yeah. I'm right now I'm kind of trying to figure out what model would work for

[20:06] us. Right now it's looking like the used price is

[20:10] between 10 and 20. Um the one that we'd most likely go for I think is 24,000

[20:15] new. >> Is that one going to compact too or just

[20:18] chew out >> that just choosing? Uh so we wouldn't we

[20:23] may still want to get a separate wheel compactor. I've asked for quote on like

[20:29] greater amount of compactor. So I'm looking into other options for

[20:32] compaction. But yeah, we would hopefully at least have

[20:37] some compaction directly after it, especially if we do the recycling. Uh,

[20:42] so hopefully it's only a few passes to do it and reducing it because right now

[20:48] we are at a minimum of four machines. If we're doing a piece of patching out

[20:55] there, it's four machines that we're taking. Um, and even just reducing that

[20:59] to two is huge because then it's no back and forth, no logistics.

[21:06] » Do you mind if I ask? >> No, go ahead.

[21:08] » Yeah. Um, how much material like how much raw material do you need? Because I

[21:13] mean when you're when you start getting so much dirt into the asphalt, then you

[21:18] start having the whole thing collapse, you know? I mean, that's I was just, you

[21:22] know, in you've got cod, you've got asphalt that's in there now, right?

[21:27] » Yes. >> And and you're grinding that up to make

[21:30] the new layer. >> It the oil alone isn't going to have

[21:34] enough uh cohesion. You're going to have to have more asphalt as part of that.

[21:39] That's that's what I'm saying. When you add dirt to that, you know, so I've just

[21:43] concerned about the thickness of the asphalt,

[21:45] » and if it's going to be more dirt than asphalt, then you're you're going to run

[21:49] it. >> Yeah. Um, so I've already gone down the

[21:52] rabbit hole on this, but essentially what it comes down to is we have a bit

[21:59] of road base underneath the road. Um, again, you can adjust how deep you go.

[22:03] Often they do like two to three inches at a time.

[22:06] » U, but essentially the cold patch asphalt that we're getting is roadbased

[22:12] mixed with it. It's called oil, but it's actually an asphalt emulsion. Okay?

[22:17] » So it's mixed with water. The way the emulsion works is once the water

[22:21] evaporates out, it is cured and then it is no longer water solid. So, it doesn't

[22:26] like wash through. Uh, but you can thin it with water. You

[22:30] can clean it up with water or so. Um, but it's essentially the there is a

[22:37] concern with the super clay stuff. If you get too much of that in,

[22:41] » that's what I was thinking. But you should be able to modulate the mixture

[22:47] enough hopefully. Uh >> add some of what you already have to the

[22:51] recycle if you needed to. >> Yeah.

[22:55] » Um and like if if we need more material, we just put in road base or even just

[22:59] the old asphalt chunks that we have, we can just grind up, put in there.

[23:03] » Again, this is the hope. >> Uh it is done on larger scale machines.

[23:08] I just haven't seen a unit that's sold for smaller stuff. Well, that's what I

[23:12] was thinking worried about if it's small,

[23:14] » but there's definitely ways to deal with it. And essentially, all the formulas

[23:18] that are out there for it are all up to DOT and like interstate specifications

[23:23] and they've been there for 10 years and they've had it just fine. So, even if we

[23:28] don't hit on the perfect mixture, we are not trying to hit DOT specifications.

[23:33] And like the cold mix asphalt we're using is nowhere near DOT specifications

[23:37] to begin with. So, um, it's the question of would it work

[23:42] well enough for us, but good question. Thank you.

[23:47] » No, no, I was just I was just concerned that we get too much, you know, play

[23:51] place of material with it. >> There there would be ways to deal with

[23:54] it and you can control the depth very precisely. So,

[23:58] » um, you can definitely minimize. Other question?

[24:03] » Just a comment on the $244 a gallon transmission fluid.

[24:10] » Do you want No,

[24:14] » that's 110 gallons. 2,449. >> It's about 24 gallons.

[24:20] » 20. I'm sorry. >> Yes,

[24:21] » it's on the agenda. >> Is is still expensive.

[24:25] » Too much.

[24:30] » Okay. Well, hopefully we're not changing this oil uh

[24:35] in the next 30 years would be my guess. So,

[24:39] » this is Oh, great. Not another six month thing.

[24:41] » No, it's not a six month thing. This is >> This is about as big as it gets. You

[24:46] need to put another 2,000 hours of machine before you get anywhere here.

[24:49] » Oh, and it's good to see you taking care of our Yes,

[24:53] » that's >> Thank you.

[24:54] » to replace it. It's about a quart million dollars and we got really lucky.

[24:58] So, it's worth a few thousand cubits. Nice.

[25:01] » Yeah, no kidding. Okay, we'll move on to the planning and

[25:06] land use commission

[25:10] questions there minutes in your packet.

[25:15] Um, Pamela, do you have anything new from Utah Renewable Communities?

[25:21] » Nothing to report for. We're working on the getting the word out. I've had been

[25:27] in contact with folks at uh Moab and in Grand County so to get

[25:34] out the word and so we're moving. >> Okay.

[25:39] » Can we back up to the pluck? >> Sure.

[25:42] » Um I just a question on the containers. Two containers were dropped and no

[25:47] permit or >> Great. Happens a lot.

[25:52] » Not infrequently. Excuse me. Yeah. I sent an email to the owner. Haven't

[25:57] heard that. >> Okay.

[26:00] » Yeah, that actually that does happen a lot. They just show up and sometimes it

[26:04] gets reported and sometimes nobody not nobody thinks anything of it. They just

[26:10] don't realize they need a certificate of land use compliance

[26:14] » for drop a container. >> Yeah, it's mostly just to make sure the

[26:18] setback is okay. And this thing and it's drainage.

[26:22] » Please don't forget that. >> This this happened to be right across

[26:26] the road from where Ryan lives, so he noticed

[26:30] » and he mentioned it. >> Okay. Thank you.

[26:35] » Um Ron Drake, anything for the fire? >> Well, I might mention that Patrick uh

[26:43] Kelly has donated all this. you call it weightlifting workout

[26:50] equipment. And so next week we're gonna put that to

[26:54] go get it put it up at the firehouse. So uh all the old equipment that we had up

[27:00] there is is down here by the fire building and anybody's welcome to it.

[27:08] So >> there's two Nordic tracks, an

[27:13] elliptical, a Bowlex, and what else do we a little bike

[27:19] » from 1972? >> It weighs about 1,400 lb.

[27:26] » It was the AB cruiser from the >> ke.

[27:32] Yes. >> Too much fun.

[27:37] And how much are the memberships to this new health club going to be?

[27:42] » Just have to

[27:46] join the fire department.

[27:55] » Anything else? >> No.

[27:59] » I'm calling anything from information technology.

[28:03] I'm just trying to spread the word that when we have power outages now, the

[28:08] library's free Wi-Fi is on a battery that should last for at least 12 hours.

[28:14] And we've also now got uh the town's network, including the server and one

[28:20] office computer on a battery backup that should go for hopefully at least 12

[28:25] hours in case there's an emergency we have to access information.

[28:31] Thanks for getting that taken care of. >> Any correspondence?

[28:36] » No. >> Uh, so we do have two

[28:42] positions open. Um, our clerk and our grounds keeper both had things come up

[28:50] and ground day. >> Yeah, there we are again.

[28:57] So yes, still advertising those positions.

[29:01] Any letters we need to talk about? Okay. Anything else under

[29:06] administrative? I

[29:09] » think so. >> Okay.

[29:12] Uh then we'll move into new business. Item six, discussion and possible action

[29:16] regarding updating the capital projects plan. So, during our uh tax increase

[29:21] public hearing when um Bill Gustin brought up the long-term planning, I

[29:27] thought this would be a great time to get that out and update because we did a

[29:33] bunch of the stuff on on >> Yeah, I was noticing that. Yeah, good

[29:36] timing. >> And it's time to do that.

[29:40] So, wherever it is here. So, obviously, um,

[29:48] the tip ceiling of Castle Valley Drive is going to stay on our capital projects

[29:52] plan always because that's a 7 to 10 year project. Every 7 to 10 years, we

[29:58] take care of that major maintenance of Castle Valley Drive.

[30:04] And that is largely what our budget this year, why we went into a tax increase

[30:10] discussion to begin with. So we did the lower water crossing in

[30:16] the upper 80. We replace our greater.

[30:21] We bought a different backhoe. Um,

[30:28] so we still need a dump truck and what we had also put a rock crusher

[30:37] in here >> compactor and coal planter are probably

[30:41] higher up the list. The >> replacing this.

[30:45] » Yeah, at least for now. >> Did you catch that, Josyn?

[30:48] » A coal planer and a contractor. >> Yeah. replaces

[30:55] » the rock crusher. >> I mean, that's something, but that's

[30:58] like two or three years out at this point. And

[31:00] » but it needs to be in the capital project.

[31:03] » I mean, it's something that could make gravel a lot cheaper. That's the main

[31:08] deal we have. >> I had a question. What is the sander?

[31:12] Purchasing a sander. >> That was something we discussed at our

[31:15] last >> that that is something that we may still

[31:17] be considering. Um the there's a number of different options, but essentially

[31:22] what it is for is for spreading a thin layer of materials. So like during the

[31:28] winter, you can use it for spreading sand on the roads for deicing and

[31:32] traction. Okay. >> Um if you want to do a thin layer of

[31:34] gravel that's very even, you can do it for that.

[31:37] » Technically, it's the same system that they use for chip sealing uh for laying

[31:42] the actual chips down. So there's a bunch of fuses for that.

[31:48] do. So, we had discussed and I think we probably need to change this one because

[31:54] just the the viability of our water situation here. Um, running water to the

[32:00] road shed. >> Yeah. And I don't think it's worth it

[32:04] either. >> We're bringing personal water to

[32:09] pressure wash with because both this lot and lot 13 are scary right now.

[32:15] » Yeah. So, what about a tank that you could actually have back there?

[32:19] » Like a gravity feed system >> up behind the, you know,

[32:25] » that could replace that eggmart. >> You need a pumping system for that

[32:30] because I tried it today just with a gravity feed even if I'm high up.

[32:35] » But you could put a pump in a tank. >> I'm sorry.

[32:37] » You could put a pump in a tank. >> Well, I mean, we could just get another

[32:41] » Yeah, it's not a problem. I mean, I'm just saying just gravity feed.

[32:46] » It won't do it. >> And essentially, we have the tanks on

[32:50] the water truck, >> right?

[32:52] » And if you need clean water, you can settle it out or we can go through

[32:57] Castle Valley Academy if necessary. >> So, there are a few options there.

[33:03] » Is it still is getting Wi-Fi up there still something we need to work on?

[33:08] Um, we kind of have Wi-Fi through the fire department. If we open up the

[33:12] garage doors, but if the garage doors are closed, you

[33:16] don't have Wi-Fi. >> So, that's we at least have a pseudo

[33:20] solution for that. >> And I think we have discussed the co the

[33:25] cost of paving compared to chip ceiling being pretty much out of reach for this

[33:30] kind of a community. Um, so we did also do our isotope study.

[33:38] So are we still thinking about another monitoring well? Does that mean to stay

[33:43] on >> I I it's I think it's ambiguous because

[33:46] of course we have the well that was originally within the wellace

[33:53] and I think that may be sufficient >> and that might be what we end up using.

[33:58] All right. We have the peer review done of our

[34:02] water study. Um, and so the partial flume, we still look at something at the

[34:09] top, right? >> At the top, but we have the one at the

[34:11] bottom >> that the Colorado River,

[34:14] » right? >> Thank So there's no monitor of top, but

[34:19] there's nothing that there's no partial flow at the top.

[34:21] » Okay. So that needs to stay on here. >> And if that's outside, would that need

[34:25] to be outside the town boundary? Does that

[34:29] » Yeah, it would be it would be it is outside.

[34:31] » It is outside because it's on the other side of the valley.

[34:34] » Yeah. >> So, we'd have some kind of like what do

[34:35] they call it? Extra territorial jurisdiction.

[34:38] » No, we we'd probably have to talk with BLM or if it's in 7th Day Advance

[34:44] property, but I think it's out might be outside of their property, but they put

[34:48] a pipe through there to pipe water down to them, too. So,

[34:52] » probably Yeah. So, we need to convince them to do it instead of spending our

[34:56] capital projects money on it. >> It'd be nice if BLM would put it in, but

[35:01] I doubt that. >> Um, but because this is our capital

[35:06] projects plan and we are looking at metering, which is required by the

[35:10] state. Um, that maybe should be should that be a capital project in this plan?

[35:16] » I think that could be >> because we're going to have to come up

[35:18] with. >> Yeah.

[35:20] » Yeah. Definitely. >> Yeah. I think it is important to know

[35:23] the the amount coming in, the amount going out.

[35:26] » Oh, definitely. >> Well, and it's a requirement.

[35:29] » Yeah. >> Okay. We had also talked about um our

[35:34] emergency operations and that including a generator for lot

[35:39] 13 >> and would we still want to do that if

[35:42] that will is all >> they already have a generator on 13.

[35:46] » Yeah. Um, >> I think

[35:51] we're already working on backup power for our emergency operations out of the

[35:56] building. I think the only other thing would be actually powering the building

[36:00] so that there was a place for people to be warm or cold

[36:05] » and some of those prolonged outages. >> Yeah. Egg, is that still a ongoing

[36:10] project or >> uh this is a plan. It's not a a project

[36:14] in process. It's like, you know, if we're if we're going to have a capital

[36:18] projects account, do you have a plan for that money?

[36:22] » It it's not necessarily active. One of the big reasons for this plan is a lot

[36:27] of times grants or other things like that won't even talk to you if you

[36:30] haven't >> if you don't have it on the plan.

[36:33] » That's one of the big reasons. Mhm. >> Yeah. This one was created for the CBG

[36:38] grant, >> but we need to keep it active because we

[36:42] also need to be budgeting money into our capital projects accounts every year,

[36:48] not just overage. I mean, it needs to be part of our budget.

[36:52] » We don't have any kind of priority this list, right?

[36:56] » It's totally interchangeable. >> Yeah. Um,

[37:00] » I think it'd be important to have a some kind of backup for this building that

[37:05] would heat and cool. >> Yeah, that was

[37:07] » and I talked to a couple of people a couple of weeks ago who came here to get

[37:11] to cool off >> because their houses weren't cool

[37:13] enough. >> Well, with a swamp cooler and humidity

[37:16] and they won't. >> That's right.

[37:18] » Some people don't even have cool. >> We don't.

[37:23] I'm amazed cuz I go into your house and I'm like, "Oh my god, I would die if I

[37:27] lived here. So something big enough I mean you know

[37:31] it might even have to be a gas powered or propane generator.

[37:34] » What's Yeah. >> That is the fire department generator

[37:40] » that is actually suitable I just discovered to

[37:44] » that you brought up >> wider for one phase.

[37:49] » So that would be three buildings at least.

[37:52] » I'm sorry what? >> That's all three buildings at least.

[37:55] That's the whole lot. Easy. >> Yeah. You mean the existing one or the

[38:00] behind the building? >> Well, which would be really important to

[38:02] have the fire station on there too and that way the doors work and like you

[38:08] know the >> you won't have automatic kick on with

[38:11] that though. But that's >> and that old generator actually work.

[38:15] » So that's a manual turn on. Someone would need

[38:18] » No, you can actually automate it. >> Okay. Okay.

[38:22] So that's definitely something that should be in our capital projects. Um,

[38:26] the other thing that I've been thinking about and I don't know at what point

[38:32] this could be 10 years plus out is looking at our Shaper Lane ingress

[38:38] egress for emergencies after having used it and then having uh flooding after the

[38:45] fact. >> Oh,

[38:46] » where Plaster Creek crosses Schaffer Lane um went over the road again.

[38:53] So there's definitely some work needs to be done there and I don't know if that

[38:57] in the future maybe another low water crossing or I

[39:02] don't know if that needs to become a capital project.

[39:06] » The thing is is right now it is essentially a low water crossing. It is

[39:09] a dirt one but um last year the year before um over the past two years we

[39:17] have been armoring that with really large rock. So, it should be very

[39:21] difficult for that to fully wash out. The surface will likely get rough when

[39:25] that happens, but I mean, the same thing happens at the upper 80. And if it's got

[39:29] the same structural integrity and cost 180,000 less,

[39:33] don't know if it's worth it going for the concrete.

[39:35] » Well, if it doesn't need to be a capital project, then I'm because this is going

[39:39] to determine like how much we need to budget each year

[39:43] to go into those accounts. >> That's not super critical. There's other

[39:47] ways to deal with it. Okay. So, >> so

[39:55] where we're at right now is taking care of Castle Valley Drive and um

[40:02] potentially some equipment to do that. >> Can I ask just a

[40:07] » water metering? >> Sorry.

[40:09] » Go ahead. Um, so back in 2024, why was the town

[40:16] putting a generator for lot 13 on our wish list?

[40:20] » Okay. >> And not the fire department

[40:22] » emergency service >> because it would benefit the whole

[40:26] » town, >> but the fire department ended up paying,

[40:30] right? >> You know, it's a publicly owned

[40:33] » Yeah. >> parcel by the fire district.

[40:35] » Yeah. And then, you know, like we talked about last night, the well there is not

[40:39] doing so great. Is that something that the town and the fire department could

[40:44] work on together budget-wise or is >> I don't know.

[40:50] » I mean, I it could be I think, you know, the commissioners

[40:56] would have to look at their budget and see.

[40:58] » Yeah. I' I'd like to really have some asurances that it we were not just

[41:03] drilling another bad well like we did 10 years ago.

[41:07] » Is anything >> Well, I don't think drilling another

[41:09] well is probably the option right now. >> Yeah. Yeah. The plan or maybe one of the

[41:15] options is to put a couple 500

[41:20] 5,000 gallon like storage tanks underground

[41:25] and pump them slower. You know, the pump would be higher and a

[41:31] smaller pump. So, it wouldn't be sucking up all all the mud and dirt that it is

[41:37] now. And we would keep that full and pump out those

[41:43] » and could be pumped still fast. So the the old pump is too big for

[41:49] the well, >> right?

[41:51] » That pump would go into the tanks >> and pump fast, but the tanks would have

[41:56] to slow fill with a smaller pump to keep the sediment from getting in there. And

[42:02] that would also improve the use on our um vehicles

[42:06] on all the fittings and everything that all the stuff.

[42:10] » Yeah. >> The fire vehicles

[42:12] » and the town's water trucks that fill up there. Yeah.

[42:16] So, is has there been anything done with lot 17's well?

[42:23] Weren't Wasn't he going to offer that? >> He wants to um he wants to to put a big

[42:28] pump in that well and uh and he's told us that we could use that well.

[42:34] » He told me it was also bad water.

[42:39] » It's very hard. >> Hard is probably better than silk. Yeah.

[42:44] » Yeah. >> Another possibility is the new owners of

[42:47] Dave Bley's lot. They may and that's got a big big well on it.

[42:53] » Well, >> and and then separate road into it. Um

[42:58] possibility. >> It's probably the best either.

[43:01] » Yeah. >> Yeah.

[43:10] So, does that pretty much cover what we need for the I mean, I'm thinking I want

[43:15] to be thinking at least I mean up to 10 years out there.

[43:21] What about the building as far as capital projects? I was

[43:28] looking at these windows the other day and they sure don't look very good.

[43:31] » Would those be under capital yet or would that just be maintenance and

[43:34] repair? >> The

[43:37] cost of windows anymore. I >> I mean, yeah, if we're placing all the

[43:41] windows in the building, but we're just doing if we're just doing like trim and

[43:47] a few panes or I don't >> Yeah, it looks like the windows to me,

[43:51] but I mean, somebody else >> Well, if that's 10 years out, maybe it

[43:56] should be on the list because we have two different capital

[44:00] fund, you know, capital roads and then capital general, right?

[44:09] And Joelyn, do you know anything else on the the building?

[44:12] » Well, staining the trim and those years time just a

[44:19] general >> Yeah.

[44:22] » Yeah. >> And the roof is okay.

[44:24] » That would be capital. >> Probably good for a while.

[44:28] » I don't think it's a metal roof. We don't have a a building maintenance

[44:33] person long enough to even get out there.

[44:41] » It should be a mater's what 20 now?

[44:46] » Yes. >> Yeah.

[44:50] » Colleen, >> I I didn't catch if it was already on

[44:53] the list, but a battery system for the solar panels so the building could run

[45:00] That would fall over the generator thing that was listed, right?

[45:04] » Backup power for the building, whether it be solar or

[45:09] that can happen. >> Already got the panels

[45:12] » and it's quiet. >> Yeah,

[45:15] » it's expensive though. >> Yeah, I mean I mean not considering

[45:23] a whole solar array and doing a battery too. I mean that's just one part of it.

[45:28] So maybe, you know, Oh, things >> you need a new inverter.

[45:35] » Yeah. >> Um, the lady Jocelyn, what was her name?

[45:40] The lady I worked with the emergency thing about getting

[45:43] » Kate. >> Kate, she mentioned that I think we were

[45:47] on a list for possible grants >> to apply for the batteries for the soul

[45:54] next year. >> Yeah. I don't know if the

[45:56] » we talked about it, but it was just kind of like

[45:59] » she told me on our wish list when I was >> Well, and some of these things may

[46:02] happen in other ways. >> Yeah.

[46:04] » And can fall off the list as they happen, but yeah,

[46:07] » it just really >> that's like all of our projects on the

[46:10] CIV list, >> right?

[46:13] » Recycle, >> right? That have to happen some other

[46:16] way. >> Well, and that we did have on the CIV

[46:19] list was the mower arm. And now we're the roller compactor. We know we we have

[46:24] on this list now. What about the mower? What's up with like I mean I think we've

[46:30] spent enough time working on the mower that in 10 years I think it's going to

[46:33] be it should be serviceable again. >> The point I'm at after also testing it

[46:40] with the grater. I mean granted each time you do it you'll probably pull up

[46:44] more asphalt. That worked pretty well >> and you can use the side roads. You

[46:49] might still need another attachment, but rather than keeping like the whole

[46:52] mower, tractor, everything else running, I'd almost rather just have an

[46:57] attachment that hooks up to one of the other machines that we can't.

[47:01] » One of the things is is that while it's still running, might be worth something

[47:07] » to sell. And once it's not running, it's probably not worth much.

[47:13] » So, do we want to put a mower attachment on your list here?

[47:16] » Potentially. Um, >> I would think so.

[47:20] » Yeah, it's I mean this year we're going to be trying to go through most of the

[47:25] easements with the grater. Next year we're probably going to have to go over

[47:28] it with the grater just to keep the tumble weeds down. Um, just because

[47:32] otherwise they'll be aggressive for three years. Um, so the next two years

[47:38] we're probably taken care of or at least hopefully

[47:42] » but yeah, it might be something to consider.

[47:50] Um, what about the creek firework? >> Yeah, that's the creek.

[47:56] » That's the other big capital project that should probably be on your list is

[48:00] maintenance of our um >> green belt

[48:02] » green belt properties. I was approached recently um by Devin Dixon who's working

[48:09] the ranch um and it is up against one of our lots

[48:14] and he wondered what our plan was. You know, like it's it's a huge fire hazard.

[48:20] It's also his bigger concern was the amount of

[48:25] water that's getting choked out of springs by the overgrowth.

[48:33] So, >> and the town's sitting on a bunch of

[48:35] property down there that we're not doing anything with or about.

[48:43] I don't know what that would be. >> Yeah,

[48:46] » there's a lot of permits involved in doing anything down there. Right now I'm

[48:51] kind of just touching base with them and trying to see like what would be

[48:56] allowable or what required what can we do without getting way into the weeds

[49:01] with permitting because it might be a bit of a permitting hassle

[49:06] to essentially like take the loader down there and just clear cut everything but

[49:10] potentially going in place >> which probably isn't the answer anyways

[49:14] but >> it it might be. I mean, if you want to

[49:17] get rid of the overgrowth and you don't want it to cost $2 million, that might

[49:21] be >> or poison it

[49:23] » or poison it because that is >> I mean, a lot,

[49:27] you know, >> why we hadn't poisoned it, why we don't

[49:31] agree with the painting. He understood not just spraying poison everywhere, but

[49:36] you know, he did ask specifically about the painting. I guess we just don't know

[49:40] enough about it to know that we're not poisoning somebody downstream that, you

[49:45] know, >> do they do that on their property?

[49:48] » I don't know. But, you know, he also didn't realize that a lot of the green

[49:52] belt is privately owned and that's, you know, and people with private property

[49:56] down there do that.

[50:00] » I did notice uh there are Oh, it's a noxious weed that looks like

[50:07] bamboo. >> The giant reed

[50:12] grass. >> Yeah, the pond. And people are planting

[50:15] it ornamentally in their yards. >> And I just saw a huge patch of it down

[50:22] there on the bottom of uh Lazarus, right down in the creek.

[50:27] » And people aren't going to get rid of it on their property. It's

[50:34] going to be all over that creek in just a few years.

[50:36] » It will. Yeah. >> So, I I don't know how you get that

[50:41] » the county we guy >> the county weed guy has gone by. I know

[50:44] one person's place and >> you'll tell they have refused to get rid

[50:49] of it. >> They'll come and remove it for you.

[50:51] » Well, they haven't and they know it's there. I got a letter and they because I

[50:57] have a pouch of it that's barely staying alive and they left a letter and said

[51:02] we're going to come and remove it and you'll get a gift certificate to replace

[51:06] it with something from some nursery. >> You tell me that

[51:09] » and then and then I never heard from them again.

[51:13] That was several years ago. So I don't >> I remember

[51:18] » and I didn't get any gift certificate.

[51:24] » Maybe it just needs to be more of a public outreach and I mean I've tried to

[51:28] talk to the two people that I know of that have it and one of the people they

[51:34] had just planted, you know, and it was doing so well and I said, "Don't you

[51:38] know that that's like amazing?" >> He's like, "No, no, it isn't." Then I

[51:42] like don't let it seed. >> Yeah,

[51:45] » you're going to have to take it out. I'm supposed to take it out.

[51:48] » Well, that's why it's here. Yeah. >> So, I mean,

[51:54] » yeah. >> Well, yeah. I mean, we got all kinds of

[51:57] things growing down there. So, we should probably put that on our list, huh?

[52:01] » Yeah.

[52:04] » And that's probably enough things on a 10ear list. That's a lot of stuff for

[52:10] this small of a place. >> It is a big

[52:13] » So 10 years. So maybe we should put the roof on if it's a 10 year plan.

[52:17] » It's a 10 year out, >> right? Windows and roof.

[52:20] » Okay. >> Yeah. Windows and a roof.

[52:25] So, I mean, looking at all of that and also looking and thinking about our

[52:30] budgets over the past 10 years and what we have, as I talked about during the

[52:34] public hearing, have on average put away between 5 and $40,000 a year,

[52:41] I think with the amount of thing with the amount

[52:45] that it cost to chip Silas Valley Drive 11 years ago going up aund,000

[52:53] in that amount of time and our side repairs costing what they

[53:00] are 10 years from now, we can expect that to be even more

[53:06] and to be putting away a little bit towards all of these other things at the

[53:10] same time. I think it's reasonable for these amount of projects, but also

[53:16] knowing that we may not be able to do all of them because we are just a small

[53:20] community. I think $50,000 a year into capital projects

[53:25] is that's a good goal. >> Reasonable for this small of a community

[53:30] and for for the projects that are that really have to happen.

[53:35] I think asking more than that from people is too much.

[53:41] » Well, we might be able to do that with a tax increase,

[53:45] » right? But I'm talking that's a yearly a yearly amount, right? that needs to be

[53:49] budgeted for, not put in there if we had a surplus or you know what I mean? It

[53:55] has to happen in order for these things to happen.

[53:58] » Well, this just has to become part of the

[54:02] budget.

[54:05] » So, do we want to adopt our plan for the I mean, this could be amended at any

[54:10] time. Well, so I think what we ought to need

[54:14] to do is uh edit this and read it and put it fresh and then bring it back. I

[54:20] don't think just talking about it and >> without Yeah, I think we it should come

[54:26] back. >> We can do that.

[54:31] » We're tableabling in it or dropping into it?

[54:33] » We can drop in it. >> Okay.

[54:40] » Okay. Okay, we'll move on to item. So, I I'm a little Is this kind of backward?

[54:46] » Yes, I thought so. >> Let's flip Let's flip item seven and

[54:48] eight. >> I move that we uh change the order of

[54:51] business and do seven >> after eight.

[54:59] » All in favor? I >> Okay, we'll um do first item eight,

[55:05] discussion and possible action regarding resolution

[55:09] 2026-8 approving the fiscal year 2027 budget to include the tax increase.

[55:15] » Okay, so I have a couple of things on the budget. Um

[55:21] there is a I did I did a couple of different uh we have our actual budget

[55:28] and in that actual budget we're actually 276

[55:34] one two three 276,000 shy of our grants because of the cut of

[55:41] our fiscal year. So, where we anticipated having 535,000

[55:49] come in, we only had 225,000 come in. So, on the proposed budget that you all

[55:56] received, you'll see on the last page, um, I did

[56:03] put that in on government grants for 2027

[56:08] as a late reimbursement for 2026, >> right? Um, I need to put that also up on

[56:16] government grants in the income. So, I'm just letting you know that that's going

[56:21] to be added to as we approve this, we need to approve it

[56:27] » that with that up there. Now, on this uh final column is our basically our budget

[56:34] for 2020, our actual budget for 2026. if we would have gotten the grants

[56:41] all at the same time, which actually gives us a clearer picture of where we

[56:46] are in our surplus. >> Right?

[56:48] » So, um, we we did end up having a surplus of 39,000

[56:58] if we would have received our grants at the right time.

[57:02] So, just taking that into consideration. Um, I do want to let you know once we

[57:08] transferred our final reimbursements from the EWP

[57:14] uh back into our capital fund, we now have 322,000

[57:19] in our capital road, >> which gives us enough to cover the chip

[57:25] ceiling. With the 71,000 we have budgeted for

[57:30] 2027,

[57:34] we may even be able to afford having the edges done.

[57:37] » Well, we h we kind of have to do the edges before we can chip seal.

[57:41] » I'm just saying, you know, the chip sealing came in the bid was what 225 or

[57:45] something. >> Again, this is not a bid. This was more

[57:48] of just like >> an estimate. somewhere between

[57:52] » we have 100,000 171,000 to play with as far as the cost goes. So

[57:59] I just >> with the approved if we approve this

[58:03] budget I mean right now our as it sits right

[58:08] now our capital roads has 322,000 so well which will put us just probably

[58:14] just under what we need to do edging and chip sealing both. But we have

[58:20] » 71,000 going into capital roads in this budget.

[58:25] » We have put 76,000 in plasty road funds, which looks to me like it's about 10

[58:33] grand over what we're actually possibly going to get because we've never gotten

[58:38] anywhere close to $76,000. >> I have it in the budget.

[58:43] » Yeah, but we only last year we only got 66. The year before that we only got 60.

[58:50] The year before that we got 61. >> I know. But this this year we have our

[58:55] tax increase. >> But you don't get B class C roads.

[59:00] » No, I'm talking about in the budget I have set.

[59:04] » No, I know. I know. But I'm just saying there's there's this item in the budget

[59:09] that we're planning on having that we're not probably going to get. There's

[59:13] $10,000 there floating. That does that make sense to me?

[59:19] » Well, um,

[59:24] » actually, >> which would just mean we'd only have

[59:27] 61,6

[59:31] I I'm amazed that we didn't get more money in class roads for cost of gas.

[59:37] » Wow. >> The more you pay for gas, the more tax

[59:40] you get. So, why we were under That's I'm still

[59:44] » You can't afford to drive anymore. >> I'm confused about why our class C roads

[59:49] didn't come in higher than it did right with the M because all year we've been

[59:54] paying >> way more.

[59:56] » I know.

[59:59] » And I'm not so sure that we we're still not going to get another payment for for

[1:00:05] this last year because that happens a lot.

[1:00:07] » That's what we're waiting on, but I thought we were well past that.

[1:00:10] » Well, who knows? Who knows that that's possibly not going to be accurate.

[1:00:20] » Okay. Well, we >> So, if it's not,

[1:00:23] » we'll fill them in later anyway. So, we'll figure that out.

[1:00:31] Also, um we don't need $16,000 in water um training, but our staff training. We

[1:00:40] only have four months left of that.

[1:00:47] Like 4,000 a year was what we used to pay John total for the whole year for

[1:00:53] himself to be the water agent. We put all this extra in there because

[1:01:00] he was going to be training Sarah until the end of 2026.

[1:01:06] » We aren't going to use all of that. >> I don't want them thinking that that we

[1:01:10] want them to either, >> right?

[1:01:14] » Trade. >> No, you're right. I

[1:01:18] And it didn't >> overtime.

[1:01:20] » Oh, okay. No, but they're still they're both going to be working for for a half

[1:01:25] a year >> for four more months,

[1:01:28] » right?

[1:01:34] » So, you want to cut that down? >> It makes sense to me that it wouldn't be

[1:01:39] more than like where where are we coming in

[1:01:44] general here?

[1:01:49] So we did spend a full eight last year. Correct. More than eight. More than

[1:01:53] eight.

[1:02:04] I wouldn't go under 10 because or even 11 because we we'll end up

[1:02:12] Yeah. I don't know. >> Well, we can cut it to 11.

[1:02:16] I wouldn't like to see it go over that. >> We would need that much.

[1:02:21] » I wouldn't either, but

[1:02:35] which means if BNC doesn't or we could even flip that around a little bit. Now

[1:02:41] it seems like both Sarah and John's

[1:02:48] salaries have been coming in around a thousand a month

[1:02:54] » together.

[1:02:58] This month John's was three something and Sarah's was five something. Well, if

[1:03:05] you want to cut down the roads to 66, >> that makes the most sense to me.

[1:03:12] » And then the water to 11, that would mean I'd only be

[1:03:19] putting this at 5

[1:03:23] 15

[1:03:31] 56 into Capital Roads. No. So wait, hang on a second.

[1:03:38] » The part from the income you would deduct from that.

[1:03:44] » I would deduct it from the income, but it's that also deducts it from the

[1:03:49] capital. >> But if we're moving something out of our

[1:03:52] outgoing, you don't have to deduct that part

[1:03:56] because that means we >> Oh, right, Ken. Sorry.

[1:04:24] No, it would be 15 less. You're getting 10 less in income and you're getting

[1:04:30] you're spending 10. So it is five. So 60 let's say 65 then

[1:04:39] » that

[1:04:45] 61 + 566.

[1:04:51] So that' be 66 in the capital funds roads.

[1:04:54] » Okay. >> I mean I think that's still enough. So

[1:04:57] it'll be 11,000 in water, 66,000 in class roads, and 66,000 the capital

[1:05:04] roads. >> Okay.

[1:05:09] And those were really the only big things. I mean, I a lot of these things

[1:05:14] are very like last year was kind of a big one off because Dorier was trying to

[1:05:18] save some money. >> I mean, it's probably not a full year

[1:05:22] that we only spent $63.95. Funny the 66 keeps coming up. I did want to point out

[1:05:28] that our project which we had bid out at 994 came in at 928 which is a saving of

[1:05:34] 66,000. So there it is again. Let's keep those

[1:05:40] sixes rolling.

[1:05:50] » Interested.

[1:05:54] But did you want to reduce that wise?

[1:05:59] » Do you wrote >> do your equipment and tools need to be

[1:06:03] at 15 grand? Like we seriously spent $96511

[1:06:09] year before last and la this year we spent $63.95.

[1:06:14] » Well, some of that came down to the confusion of

[1:06:18] essentially larger pieces of equipment. Would it come from

[1:06:22] cuz some of it was preparing for that. Does it belong in there or is it just a

[1:06:26] capital >> equipment and tools?

[1:06:30] » Well, is equipment and tools covering the larger equipment things?

[1:06:35] » You mean like parts? >> No, like if we get a compactor, does

[1:06:38] that wind up in equipment and tools or does that go under a capital?

[1:06:41] » Right. It should go under equipment and tools. It should

[1:06:45] » unless it's over $15,000,

[1:06:50] » right? That's a capital expense, >> you know.

[1:06:52] » Okay. >> So, yeah, I think that's

[1:06:55] » so that's the smaller equipment. >> You were also

[1:07:01] I like to have those numbers in there. If we need to use it, great. And if we

[1:07:06] don't, you know, it's just going back into the budget. So,

[1:07:10] » right. But I don't. >> But wasn't there a big job for the

[1:07:15] grater that you were put that in there for?

[1:07:18] » But does that fall under that or does that fall under maintenance and repair?

[1:07:21] » Because we bump that up for that. >> Yeah.

[1:07:27] Some of what the things fall under has been a little confusing to me. So I mean

[1:07:33] » So in my mind, >> if it's just smaller pieces of equipment

[1:07:36] and hand tools and things like that, probably doesn't need to be 15,000.

[1:07:40] includes a compactor or something else like that. That's pretty it needs to be

[1:07:44] » right. But those things are generally always going to be a capital expense,

[1:07:47] aren't they? >> Or they're at least going to have to be

[1:07:50] discussed with the town council because they're all going to be well worth the

[1:07:55] $600. So, >> and it depends on the budget. What What

[1:07:57] do we have in the budget? What do we have to take out of capital? Can we do

[1:08:01] we have it in our budget in roads? >> I mean, there's going to be basic things

[1:08:06] in roads that we don't need to have it out of capital. If we have it in the

[1:08:10] budget, that's what I'm saying. We have it there, then we don't need it as

[1:08:13] capital expense. >> But if we don't need to have it in the

[1:08:17] budget, I don't want to continually have this hype budget that we're bumping into

[1:08:23] capital when we are already planning on budgeting for capital.

[1:08:28] » Well, we haven't. >> So, this is new that we're budgeting for

[1:08:31] capital. >> I know. So,

[1:08:33] » so I want to get out of the habit of over padding so that we have extra

[1:08:38] because I think that >> so the question is you're probably going

[1:08:42] to be over padding somewhere and then if things if you're essentially trying to

[1:08:47] do the bare minimum for what you say on your budget you're probably going to

[1:08:50] have a higher capital budget and then you pull out of that if something gets

[1:08:55] weird towards the end of the year because very often

[1:08:58] » you can't always just pull out a capital low. I mean,

[1:09:01] » well, can you pull out of the capital before it gets sent to C?

[1:09:06] » No, it has to be a specific. >> Well, then it's probably better to have

[1:09:10] it in the budget away from the capital, right?

[1:09:13] » And then at the end of the year, you shift it into capital, right?

[1:09:16] » Capital is a one-way street and the other one is not.

[1:09:20] » That makes sense for now. If that makes sense. But if every year we keep coming

[1:09:25] in at less than $1,000.

[1:09:30] » Okay, never mind. >> This is one one year. Let's

[1:09:35] » um >> past years haven't been great, but I've

[1:09:39] considered like getting uh pull behind compactors and it's kind of like do we

[1:09:44] just go with a larger machine? you know, I mean, right now we're essentially

[1:09:49] borrowing a personal vibratory plate compactor that's pretty small and

[1:09:53] doesn't really do the job that we should be doing. So, that's kind of been one of

[1:09:58] the things on there. >> Oh, and if that's an equipment that

[1:10:02] amount of money, then maybe that's something you should be doing.

[1:10:09] » Does anybody else have anything to say?

[1:10:14] » I I I know. I Well, I had a question, but it seemed like what we were doing in

[1:10:20] the past with Capitol Roads was fine until the culvert blew. Is that roughly

[1:10:27] right? We were going to be able to chip seal at the right time if we hadn't had

[1:10:32] the culvert go out. >> Well, yeah, we had money in there for

[1:10:36] for that. Absolutely. But, you know, >> well, and I think over the last couple

[1:10:40] of years, it's been hard because we budget for the road department and then

[1:10:45] we're trying to save money for projects and so they're not really spending

[1:10:49] money. They're trying to save money which we've needed. So, the last couple

[1:10:53] of years looking at their budget doesn't really reflect what is

[1:10:59] see that happening anymore. I want to make sure that they understand that

[1:11:02] their budget is for the maintenance they need to do and that they it's not their

[1:11:06] job to think about saving money out of that.

[1:11:08] » Yeah, >> that's get work done budget.

[1:11:10] » That's our job. >> It's our job to budget for capital

[1:11:13] expenses.

[1:11:16] » Well, that's what the residents want is to see people out work on the roads

[1:11:23] maintenance.

[1:11:32] So if we do I mean I think this is fine for this year

[1:11:36] and when we look at this again next year um obviously and when we amend this may

[1:11:42] change but I think well we can figure try to figure adding a line item for

[1:11:50] capital of 50 grand and figuring out in advance where that

[1:11:56] fits our tax rate so that we if we needed to if we need to reduce it we

[1:12:01] reduce it. I don't think we need to be asking for more than that every year.

[1:12:14] I think it's just an expectation that we have to to set

[1:12:19] cuz if we if we bump it up and we get people thinking that oh we got all these

[1:12:24] big ideas and we're going to do them. it seem, you know, it's like the same

[1:12:27] amount of money doesn't do the same things anymore.

[1:12:32] So, we're asking for more money just to do the same things we've always done.

[1:12:36] And people want to see well want to see us doing more because they're paying

[1:12:39] more. >> It doesn't work that way.

[1:12:47] » Well, we are getting things done. >> We bought We I mean, you can look at the

[1:12:51] budget of what we have gotten done. Oh, yeah. We just spent $670,000

[1:12:57] in the last two years on Capitol Road. So

[1:13:00] » yeah, >> you know, you bringing it up like we're

[1:13:03] not getting things done doesn't help the situation

[1:13:06] » more than that because we got the crater in the back, the upper 80s water

[1:13:10] crossing >> water crossing and down here. So

[1:13:13] people don't see us on their roads on a regular basis. So they don't know that

[1:13:17] they don't feel that we're getting things the same things done that we know

[1:13:20] we are.

[1:13:25] Well, I just want to say I think this year's budget is a freaking miracle that

[1:13:29] we got it done. And thank you, Tori. >> Yes. Thank you, Tori. True.

[1:13:34] Messed it up. >> And I'm not bringing these things up to

[1:13:39] like be down. >> Well, these kind of things. I mean all

[1:13:41] of you know that's why I sent it to you early before I ever

[1:13:45] » asked I asked about the B road this roads thing earlier and I thought we

[1:13:49] were going to get another flight payment.

[1:13:51] » So did I >> and we didn't. So I was like

[1:13:54] » and we we presented this two months ago. >> I know.

[1:13:57] » So but the water thing was presented to you. You didn't bring that up and you

[1:14:03] didn't bring up any of the other road things. So

[1:14:07] when I present it to you early if you get back to me that

[1:14:13] » not in the middle of a meeting when I don't even have a calculator. So there

[1:14:17] you go.

[1:14:21] » That's the balance. >> Would somebody like to adopt this

[1:14:25] budget? >> I believe we adopt the budget.

[1:14:28] » Hallelujah. >> Second.

[1:14:32] » Any further discussions? All in favor?

[1:14:35] » I. >> Thank you, Pam.

[1:14:39] » Thanks, Tori. >> I'll do better next um year.

[1:14:43] » Good. That'll be my last year. Be better next year and I'll do my best.

[1:14:49] » You're doing great. >> Okay. We'll move backwards to item

[1:14:53] seven, discussion and possible action regarding resolution 2026-7, approving

[1:14:58] the certified tax rate. >> I move we approve the certified tax

[1:15:03] rate. Second. >> Further discussion.

[1:15:06] All in favor? >> I I.

[1:15:10] » Item nine, discussion and possible action regarding approving pluck

[1:15:14] selection process language amendments to ordinance 2026-2.

[1:15:20] So Lori uh is on tonight. She went through this and also updated

[1:15:26] um references to code that were outdated. there was a reference to a

[1:15:32] grommet code that was outdated and then added the language for the um

[1:15:37] selection to go through the town council and public opinion

[1:15:43] » and I the alternates and >> yeah I had a couple edits on it

[1:15:48] » did you um want to point those out >> yeah

[1:15:53] the in that fourth whereas it's still

[1:15:58] talking about the mayor shall interview each candidate to establish ability to

[1:16:02] perform the duties of the commission. >> Well, that's what

[1:16:09] » you want that out of there. >> So, no, the old or it's just a reference

[1:16:15] to what the old ordinance what the process was. Yeah.

[1:16:19] » Okay. >> Is that makes sense? And then um in

[1:16:24] section two uh I was think we should put um the

[1:16:30] alternates in there. Members shall be appointed to the commission or as

[1:16:34] alternates by the town council. We haven't addressed how the alternates are

[1:16:40] going to be in that sentence. Just curious.

[1:16:46] » Lori, didn't you address where the alternates were in another section?

[1:16:51] um you know the current code didn't reference the alternates so I think

[1:16:58] that's um totally fine to add the language as Jocelyn suggested

[1:17:06] » I can double check >> I think it was just up to us to to

[1:17:11] either use or not use alternates >> right yeah but we want the alter same

[1:17:17] process >> yes Yeah,

[1:17:20] » but it says before that, Joselyn, it says the commission shall consist of

[1:17:24] five regular members and two alternate members,

[1:17:27] » right? >> And then it says how the appointments

[1:17:29] will be made. >> Okay, but the alternates need to be

[1:17:32] approved. >> So just say members and and alternates

[1:17:35] shall be appointed to the commission. >> Just add that in there. And then the

[1:17:40] only other thing was on that other page that's not

[1:17:43] » the clerk. I don't do that.

[1:17:46] » Right. Let's make sure that's clear.

[1:17:51] » Very clear. >> Yeah.

[1:17:52] » Is this a whole new ordinance? >> It's an amended or amending the

[1:17:56] ordinance >> because it says 2026-2.

[1:18:00] » Yeah. >> This is um

[1:18:02] » that's the >> a new ordinance.

[1:18:04] » This is 2026. So, we're getting a whole new ordinance number, not just an

[1:18:08] amended old ordinance. >> I could supersede it.

[1:18:14] » Yeah. I don't know how you all prefer to do it, but you uh as you can see the

[1:18:21] this ordinance just amends the old one. So you you know I don't I don't really

[1:18:26] remember exactly how you do that, but this wouldn't create a new ordinance. It

[1:18:31] just as you can see where it's underlined adding text and then the

[1:18:35] strike through is deleting the text. So my my suggestion was when I sent this

[1:18:40] over is to say you can keep your old ordinance and just note that it was

[1:18:45] amended by ordinance number 26. I don't know are you on your first ordinance of

[1:18:50] the year? Is it 2601 or 2602? >> Okay.

[1:18:56] » Yeah. >> But we usually we usually keep the old

[1:18:59] ordinance number and just say amended. >> I I know this because I put them on the

[1:19:04] website so I need to know what the name of it is. Like if we were to revise the

[1:19:07] fence ordinance now, it would still be uh what is it 2001-3 or whatever it is

[1:19:15] only amended. So this is a whole new ordinance number. So would you would

[1:19:22] have to retract the old ordinance or >> Well, so so let me ask you then,

[1:19:27] Colleen. I I don't What do you pass? What what what do you pass now to amend

[1:19:33] an old ordinance? a new you pass an ordinance or you pass a resolution.

[1:19:38] » Either one. We just amend it. Like 85-3 is from 1985

[1:19:43] and we just amend it constantly, >> right?

[1:19:46] » But it's the same ordinance number. >> So technically, we should just be

[1:19:51] amending this as its original number and then say that this ordinance supersedes

[1:19:56] the one dated whatever the last one was. >> Yeah, we don't.

[1:20:02] » And I could do that. I don't think that's how we've done it up to now.

[1:20:06] Yeah. >> Okay. Yeah. It's a little confusing. I

[1:20:11] mean, I don't want to change your process, but you know, technically

[1:20:14] you're passing. I mean, I don't know. I

[1:20:19] I've never seen it done that way before. So, that's why I'm kind of struggling.

[1:20:23] It doesn't It doesn't really matter. You need to pass an ordinance. What you

[1:20:26] number it is potentially up to you. If you don't find that numbering format

[1:20:31] confusing, um, if it's working for you, then I don't want to completely change

[1:20:38] your process. But you, you know, the council

[1:20:42] does need to pass an ordinance. What you number it, as long as you've got a

[1:20:46] system that works for you, I'm I'm okay with that. So, you can

[1:20:52] you would just need to note that tonight when you're passing it, that has a

[1:20:55] different number than that's what's on the document.

[1:20:58] One of the reason, one of the reasons we've done it this way is that sometimes

[1:21:03] these ordinances are cited in other ordinances and if we go change the

[1:21:07] number when we do a new one that amends it, then we have to go sort figure out

[1:21:12] if it's listed anywhere else in another ordinance.

[1:21:15] » We can't find all those instances like our our biggest ordinance is 85-3.

[1:21:21] Again, it's from 1985. If we gave it a new number every time we amended it,

[1:21:27] that would be a morass, >> right? And and I think that yeah, in the

[1:21:34] m the other places, yeah, obviously codifying everything makes it easier

[1:21:38] because then when you do update something, you just make the update

[1:21:42] throughout the but I understand what the issue is. I So

[1:21:48] » I think then tonight you just need to make it clear you're you're passing

[1:21:53] Uh h how would you then describe it then? An ordinance. What are you passing

[1:21:58] tonight? Ordinance number what?

[1:22:02] » 2006-3.

[1:22:05] We're amending ordinance. Yeah. Passing it as an as amended.

[1:22:11] » Yeah. >> Okay.

[1:22:15] » Is that done as an ordinance or as a resolution?

[1:22:18] » As an ordinance. >> We're amending an existing ordinance.

[1:22:22] Yes. Right. I >> mean it says an ordinance amending an

[1:22:24] ordinance. Should should we say a resolution? Should it be

[1:22:29] » No, we would be passing an ordinance passing ordinance 26 2006-3

[1:22:37] » amended. >> Amended

[1:22:38] » this date and >> 2026,

[1:22:40] » right? >> Yeah. And then you say, and then this or

[1:22:44] this supersedes ordinance 2006-3 dated whenever this last the previous

[1:22:51] one was that it's been superseded. You just put that title.

[1:22:56] » Yeah, no worries. Thanks. >> Yeah, no worries. Whoever is going to

[1:23:00] make that motion,

[1:23:06] » that's what I was thinking.

[1:23:10] » I move that we pass uh ordinance 20 two 20006-3

[1:23:21] amended. >> No,

[1:23:24] » 2026. 2026 2026. 206

[1:23:29] » 206 >> 2006-

[1:23:34] » We're We're passing. I move we pass ordinance 20006-

[1:23:41] 03 amended by

[1:23:46] on this date in 2026

[1:23:51] an ordinance establishing planning and land use commission and designating land

[1:23:56] use and appeal authority. >> I'm probably seconded.

[1:24:00] » That was really good. >> Any further discussion?

[1:24:05] All in favor? >> I OMG.

[1:24:11] » Why was it so

[1:24:15] » All right. Now we are in item number 10. Uh discussion and possible action

[1:24:22] regarding approving amendments to ordinance 85-3

[1:24:26] chapter 4 section 4.2D regarding farm stands.

[1:24:31] » Okay. So, we have a problem because this is a

[1:24:35] » typo on the agenda. It's saying 83-3. >> Yeah, it's a typo.

[1:24:40] » Really? Oh, yeah. >> It's 85-3.

[1:24:44] » Yeah, >> sorry.

[1:24:46] » Got carried away. >> I think I wrote 85-2 in an email to

[1:24:52] somebody the other day.

[1:24:56] » Yeah. Have 85-3 imputed. Great. So, I'm gonna have to um

[1:25:05] I can't vote on this because this came up because me

[1:25:09] » you're abstaining. >> I'm abstaining. I can answer questions

[1:25:13] about anything that led up to this, but >> So, we're just removing D.

[1:25:18] » Are we reumbering? >> No, we're not removing.

[1:25:22] » We're amending it >> underneath.

[1:25:24] » So, you're adding two C. one stand for the display of sale of agriculture and

[1:25:29] livestock products raised in Castle Valley.

[1:25:32] » You're not saying on that premise, >> but it's just in Castle Valley. And it

[1:25:37] could be out of the Castle Valley town boundary.

[1:25:40] » Yeah. >> Castleton.

[1:25:42] » Okay. >> Like if I was if my buddy from Castleton

[1:25:47] wanted to come down and bring their vegetables to my farm stand.

[1:25:56] Well, I move that we approve amendments to ordinance 85-3, chapter 4,

[1:26:03] section 4.2D, regarding five farm stands as presented.

[1:26:11] » Um, further discussion, all in favor?

[1:26:16] » I'll abstain.

[1:26:22] » All right. Item, hang on. Go. as fast as I can. Item 11, discussion and possible

[1:26:29] action regarding resolution 2026-9 adopting the 2025 Castle Valley hazard

[1:26:35] mitigation plan. As we promised, we're presenting to you our work from the past

[1:26:41] year on hazard mitigation planning. >> Only a year.

[1:26:45] » We only spent a year doing it. >> Felt like two.

[1:26:52] So, we already discussed that we feel that it's valuable for us as a town to

[1:26:57] do this process whether or not it's a FEMA adopted plan anymore or not.

[1:27:02] » We will plan on rejoining the regional plan. Um, because the FEMA is making it

[1:27:10] almost impossible for towns this size to to keep up with their planning

[1:27:15] requirements. And they even say that in their planning

[1:27:19] tools that they pretty much think you should be hiring a contractor to do your

[1:27:23] planning. >> Easy to say

[1:27:27] » ching chain, right? >> Yeah.

[1:27:29] » Well, no, they'll help you, you know, with a grant to do it or whatever. But

[1:27:36] yeah, >> it wasn't the planning so much as it was

[1:27:39] the formatting of the application >> of the FEMA stuff. Yeah.

[1:27:43] » They made it impossible. No, I think it's important that we do

[1:27:48] this planning and I think we've had a lot of good come out of it. I mean, all

[1:27:51] the big things we've been doing, the low water crossings, all the stuff that

[1:27:57] » it was a really good document. It was the best one we've ever done.

[1:28:03] » Everybody that did a lot of work.

[1:28:15] Somebody else want to move or show? Uh, >> sure. I uh move that we approve

[1:28:20] resolution 20 26-9, a resolution adopting the 2025 Cal

[1:28:28] Valley Utah hazard mitigation plan. >> I'll s discussion. All in favor?

[1:28:35] » I. Item 12, discussion and possible action

[1:28:41] regarding the road department purchase order for a CAT transmission oil for

[1:28:45] $2449.70.

[1:28:51] This over my budget over we approve the purchase for the oil

[1:28:57] » as presented. Second. >> All in favor? I I

[1:29:03] do not need a close meeting. So, we'll move on to item 14, payment of the

[1:29:07] bills. >> And I need to add a late call, which was

[1:29:12] my fault because Dorier did get it to me. Um, he he paid with his credit card

[1:29:16] at Tractor's Supply for $335.71

[1:29:22] for what was it for? >> Tag oil.

[1:29:25] » Tag oil. Yeah, >> that says the motion.

[1:29:29] » I'm adding that to get paid back. >> 345. What? 3351

[1:29:37] » 71.

[1:29:42] » I move we pay the bill including the reimbursement door for $335.71.

[1:29:51] » Any further discussion? All in favor? >> I I

[1:29:55] » That's all we got. >> Thanks everybody.

[1:30:00] » I think I'm getting spoiled with short meetings.

[1:30:03] door. >> Yo, bye.

8.19.2026 Town Council Meeting

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