[0:24] All right. Good evening. I'm going to call this Senate and City

[0:28] Council meeting to order for September 8th, 2026.

[0:32] Everyone in attendance, please rise and join me in the pledge of allegiance.

[0:41] Pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, to the

[0:46] republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and

[0:53] justice for all. >> Please remain standing. Uh Joshua Julius

[0:57] in prayer, sir. >> Lord, thank you for bringing us here

[1:00] tonight. Thank you for the city of Centerton. Pray that as we do the

[1:04] business tonight that you will uh be with us. Help us look out for the best

[1:09] uh for Centerton as well as be with all of our other commissions, the utility

[1:14] and planning and uh the AAP, all of them that are here for the city. Give us

[1:19] wisdom to help guide and lead. And tonight, please name of Jesus we pray.

[1:26] » Thanks for punch. >> Thanks, Bill.

[1:30] Oh, yeah. I guess you found a deer. All right. You're welcome. Let me go get you

[1:35] some more, you know. >> All right. Roll call, sir.

[1:38] » Thom.

[1:45] And Cody Miles >> here.

[1:47] » All right. Well, first on the agenda is approval of the city council meeting

[1:50] minutes from August 11th, 2026. We did find one smaller on page two. Um

[1:58] we had uh Justin listed as Justin Reed. Uh we have now changed that to Justin

[2:03] Calgary or something with discussion. >> Yeah. Yeah.

[2:06] » So after that and they're corrected here.

[2:10] » Thank you for acknowledging. >> So outside that nothing else has

[2:13] changed. So would like to make motion to adopt the minutes for August 11th 2026.

[2:19] » We have a motion. We have a second. >> Second.

[2:20] » All in favor? >> Any opposed? All right. Next is

[2:24] acknowledge the receipt of the water and sewer commission meeting minutes from

[2:27] July 21st and August 5th and also the planning commission meeting minutes from

[2:32] August 4th and August 18th, 2026. >> I make a motion to acknowledge your

[2:38] seat. >> Move.

[2:39] » We have a motion by Cliff. We have a second.

[2:41] » Second. >> Second by Josh. All in favor?

[2:45] » Any opposed? All right. Next is our financial report. Uh so far we are third

[2:51] of the way through the quarter which represents 66.72%.

[2:55] Expense-wise we're at 65.43. So we're still on track. Revenue wise we're just

[3:00] a little little over that at 71%. Uh couple noteworthy things uh that we

[3:06] are a little concerned with is is our building permits are down. Uh you know

[3:12] and a lot of I think is just due to our sewer issue but hopefully that'll get

[3:15] resolved soon. They're working with that. I think TJ will give us an update

[3:18] when we when we get there. Uh but outside of that, I think, you know, city

[3:23] sales tax, county sales tax looks uh overall good shape. And then our street

[3:28] fund, um yeah, the street fund is uh revenue wise 83%, expense is 53%.

[3:37] You're getting ready to spend a little bit of that tonight on a on a truck. So,

[3:40] uh outside that that's all I have and court report is attached. Does anybody

[3:46] have uh any uh any questions? If not, like make a motion to accept the

[3:53] financial report for the general street fund, also the court report.

[3:57] » I'd like to say thank you to Shannana for answering my questions. Appreciate

[4:00] you. And I would make a motion to accept.

[4:03] » Okay, we have a motion. We have a second.

[4:05] » Second. >> All in favor? Any opposed? All right.

[4:08] Next is department reports. And I'm going to bring TJ up. He's going to give

[4:11] a little bit of update uh what's happening over at the utility.

[4:16] » All you're all having a good day after Labor Day. Um we got an updated report

[4:23] today [clears throat] from Benton Washington Regional Water Authority

[4:26] requesting that water conservation be extended through the end of this week,

[4:31] not next week, with high temperatures continuing to be in the upper 90s for

[4:36] the remainder of the week and demand. Right now, demand is pacing to be over

[4:40] 500 million gallons for the entire water distribution system for the month of

[4:46] September, which would be like over 10% higher than any September on record

[4:51] based on their uh input today. So, I think the extension of the water

[4:57] conservation um is going to be beneficial, but we'll be with soon and

[5:02] shortly. I guess that brings me to one of the comments. Uh, at the meeting this

[5:07] past month, we did have a good informative discussion with Chief Harper

[5:11] as far as how are we going to enforce the water conservation ordinance that

[5:17] was passed last month. Um, I think when I presented that to y'all, I did say,

[5:22] "Hey, this is a first blush, a first stab just to get the conversation going

[5:27] and this should be revised and updated in the future." and I recommend that

[5:32] happening not while we're in the emergency of a crisis or things like

[5:36] that. So hopefully something we can talk about quarter one next year um to get

[5:40] that updated. One of the concerns is just how do we enforce it, right? That

[5:44] requires either code enforcement or um the police department to enforce that um

[5:50] and what does that look like? So, um I think the utility department has some

[5:54] ideas and solutions that can take that burden off of code enforcement or the

[5:58] police um and leave it in the authority of the utility um without potentially

[6:03] the stipulation of fines and things, but actually just utilizing um meters u as

[6:10] our ability to if people aren't compliant. So, just as a general update,

[6:15] but there's no proposal to revise that right now. As far as if there's been

[6:21] enforcement, um to my knowledge, there hasn't. Um but at the same time, we also

[6:26] have seen majority of the community um you know, following along saying, "Hey,

[6:31] we want to take care of our system as a community and are obliging with the

[6:35] requested conservation authority request." Are they going to be sending

[6:39] that request out to the general public or are they putting it on the cities

[6:43] » on Facebook so far? >> Okay. Yeah. Right. We've just put it on

[6:47] » then the news kind of reported on this afternoon it looks like.

[6:50] » Yeah. >> You know when you look at it went from

[6:53] it says that last September our customers used 486 MG

[6:57] alltime September usage record is 494. We're at 567 again. It

[7:01] » that's the projected correct. Yep. >> But like where is that in relation to

[7:06] » August or July? population uses like how you know I understand it's higher

[7:11] » like as far as >> I don't have the

[7:13] » if the long range is it long-term planning issue like what where are we at

[7:17] on that like you know because we have more population here

[7:20] » sure more flow >> so I think if you go back to Benton

[7:23] Washington regelities post the past few months they've explained their

[7:28] » in very smart people detail yes >> yes

[7:32] » long post >> not not exactly the best public

[7:35] communication means and methods But if you drive around the county, you see the

[7:40] big old blue pipe that's uh steel. That's the new transmission line that

[7:45] Benton Washington Regional is installing. So that's going to be able

[7:48] to feed um the west side of the county to the Decatur tank farm. And the reason

[7:55] that the conservation request is being put out is because of the pumping

[7:59] capacity at the plant in Aoka, which is just north of Beaver Lake. um the

[8:05] pumping capacity is tied directly to the distribution uh main coming out of uh

[8:12] the plant over there, right? So, increased piping capacity is going to

[8:17] help with the pumping capacity as well. They are doing upgrades at their plant.

[8:20] In addition, um as far as Center Utilities as well, right, we accept our

[8:26] water from them. We have a couple points in town where we meter that at. uh

[8:31] update on the water uh storage tank. Um our team is working to put that online.

[8:37] Um we're going to put that online with only [clears throat] one pump in

[8:41] operation at the water storage tank. So um that's because we believe you know

[8:48] the second pump is a redundant pump if that first pump goes out. So we

[8:52] understand that we'll be operating at a risk. Um, but with a brand new pond,

[8:58] we should be relatively protected and safe. We've been operating without that

[9:03] elevated storage tank right now. So, I mean, even if it were to go down, um,

[9:08] we'd still be able to supply water at the immediate need, right? But we just

[9:11] want to get online, get it operational, get it functioning. Um the other pump is

[9:17] um in maintenance um and we're in negotiations with the contractor as far

[9:22] as that process. So just a general update there. Sewer projects, all three

[9:28] projects are underway. Um things are going, things are moving, progress is

[9:34] being made, contractors are showing up to the monthly meetings as requested.

[9:37] That's going to help with transparency and communication directly between the

[9:41] commission and the contractors. So, um, the other update, uh, we're hoping to

[9:48] have a joint work session with y'all, the utility commission and the city

[9:51] council. We're trying to target September 21st. It looks like the the

[9:56] best possible date. >> Let me throw a couple dates out there

[9:58] before we make sure most of us can be there, too.

[10:02] » Um, I think the other date that could work is potentially October five. So,

[10:08] » I don't think that will work. I think there's another event.

[10:10] » Oh, yeah. October 5 there was a conflict. Um

[10:14] » any way to do it on like other than Monday?

[10:17] » Um potentially we can work with you know that today's work well with

[10:22] him. >> Aaron Benzing uh uh Hawkins who's

[10:28] performing that report study. I guess the other day that we could look at uh

[10:32] be a Wednesday. So >> this be during the day or the evening?

[10:37] uh 6:30 in the evening likely. So >> or seven

[10:42] » um but those two weeks

[10:48] would be so trying to get it in September just so

[10:52] Aaron can honor his request. We he couldn't make it uh to today's meeting

[10:57] just uh they're they've got like one final push this week to get it buttoned

[11:02] up and everything. So, uh, in my opinion, they've done a great job.

[11:07] They've been very open and communicative, um, with us. Um, the last

[11:11] update I had with him verbally doesn't really change much from what he had

[11:15] presented to us a few months back. So, when he meets, I don't think that we

[11:19] should be hit with many surprises other than there's still going to be some

[11:23] studies that need to be done and some additional work, but we have we have

[11:28] outlined path for the immediate future is what I believe we'll be hearing. Um,

[11:32] and so with that, we're also continuing to negotiate with Naka and have those

[11:37] discussions, but I can get an email in Bill with a

[11:42] couple potential dates and he can circulate with you all to uh get that

[11:47] joint work session locked in. So, >> question for you, TJ. Um, residents that

[11:54] are in close proximity to the Allen Road lift station are concerned about the

[11:58] odors coming from that. um in their mind it's going to be open for 18 months. Is

[12:03] that the case? Does that have to be open for 18 months or can that work be

[12:07] completed and have it closed back? >> I mean the it will be on and off

[12:12] construction at that site for the duration of the project. There's also a

[12:16] second phase of that Allen Road lift station improvement project that was not

[12:20] bid out. um that's going to be specifically like pump improvements,

[12:24] electrical improvements, things of this nature uh at that site that those will

[12:28] be bid out in the future. Those pro those items were not bid out with this

[12:32] initial project because they did not directly affect the capacity um

[12:37] improvements we needed to make to the collection system. So we broke that off

[12:40] separate to the collection improvements. So the recent work that was done at

[12:44] Allen station was the cing of the 18-inch thick wall to accept the new

[12:49] influent pipe. Um and that is a slow process. Um and does take time. So there

[12:56] will be I mean also Allen Road lift station is one of our larger sites for

[13:02] uh storage materials things of this nature. So that there [clears throat]

[13:05] will be construction activity that site. >> Anything that can be done to mitigate

[13:10] some of the odors or are there any? I think our team is working as best we can

[13:14] to do that. Um, yeah, there's some deodorizers that we can include into the

[13:19] the wet well lift station, but it's also being just bypass pumped, right? And

[13:24] it's just exposed and open. Do everything we can.

[13:31] » All right. Thank you. >> Thank you.

[13:35] » All right. And you got the rest of the department report. So, anybody got any

[13:38] more questions?

[13:41] All right. So, next we'll move on to public comment.

[13:56] » Read rules first. You can stay there. >> All right. So, before we begin tonight's

[14:00] meeting or tonight's public comment, I'd like to review the rules for public

[14:03] comment. Public comment is an opportunity for residents to address the

[14:07] city council on matters related to city business. Speakers are asked to come to

[14:11] the podium, state their name and address for the record. Comments will be limited

[14:15] to three minutes per speaker, which I have a clock up here on the wall, uh,

[14:19] unless otherwise approved by the council. Please direct all comments to

[14:22] the council as a whole and maintain respectful and professional conduct at

[14:26] all times. Personal attacks, disruptive behavior, profanity, or abusive language

[14:30] will not be permitted. Comments should remain relevant to city business or

[14:34] agenda items being discussed. All right, go ahead. Sorry about that. I I will

[14:39] open up public comment. >> My name is Andrew Silva. I live at 830

[14:43] Harvest Street where I shot things out for the council to review.

[14:57] » Thank

[15:13] past two weeks, I spent my time looking through city budget between 2022 and

[15:19] 2026. Uh found some interesting things within

[15:24] our legal services that I'd like to just bring up for discussion if you care to

[15:29] have it. I understand that generally speaking, uh, contracts for the city

[15:33] attorney are reviewed in December. Uh,

[15:38] I did submit what you're going to have in front of you. The first page is

[15:41] simply an analysis of all invoices sent by Mr. Rabble to the city.

[15:46] Comprehensive breakdown and categories he puts in his invoices. There is a

[15:50] foyer on page two regarding the request for all said invoices

[15:56] and the SOP by which we obtain said invoices

[16:00] and remit for payment. Um so a couple things to call out.

[16:07] I haven't seen his contract u so I'm not going to speak to what's there because I

[16:11] effectively don't know what's there. Uh but some key call outs here. For the

[16:15] last sevenish full months, we've created

[16:19] $3,000 to read, write, or review um or draft emails. Um 15,000 documentary

[16:27] reviews, 14,000 forces, prosecution fees, and goes to court every month. Um

[16:31] series of meetings which includes city council and planning commission and

[16:35] teleconferences at 7,000. Uh, it includes 812 emails, 183 separate

[16:42] documents, 148 teleconference calls, and so on and so forth. Um,

[16:47] I just find that a lot of money to pay an individual who's an elected official

[16:53] who on average works less than 50 hours a month and builds the city on average

[16:59] of $11,700.

[17:03] Sometimes less, sometimes more. Uh, I also find it kind of concerning that

[17:09] at an elected official, the practice is that he sends his

[17:14] invoices to the mayor who's another elected official who then reviews and

[17:19] sends those off to be paid. Um, you don't do that in the private sector. You

[17:24] don't have employee Bob sending his attendance sheets to CEO for payment,

[17:29] right? There's HR. There's there's other processes and people involved in that.

[17:33] Um, so I think at a minimum it would be very helpful if we had an SOP on how we

[17:38] want to handle payments with elected officials just to avoid any look at

[17:43] impropriy. Um, page three are invoices from June

[17:50] concerns I have here and just wanted to bring it to light was uh about 24

[17:56] minutes into the June meeting. Um, Justin had asked, sorry, Joshua had

[18:00] asked a question about an email I had sent. Uh, city attorney admitted he

[18:05] didn't review his email until that day. >> Excuse me, until that specific meeting.

[18:10] And yet there's a separate billing charge and we were already paying him

[18:13] $900 to serve in his official capacity during the meeting. Um, so I know I

[18:19] don't have much time, a lot of time. Um the point is I think there's a better

[18:27] way matter of fact I know there's a better way how to manage finance in

[18:32] billing um especially with elected officials.

[18:36] I think an ordinance uh is appropriate at some point in time. I know it's not

[18:40] on the agenda for today. I take liberty to draft one up for you all to look at

[18:45] in your own time and review. I think would be very helpful at just ensuring

[18:50] uh basically no appearance of empathy in any capacity for Yes.

[18:56] » Your time's up. >> I'm finished. I mean, wrap it up.

[19:00] » Just Yeah, I think the word >> go ahead. Wrap it up.

[19:04] » Um that's all I have. I mean, if you guys have any any feedback, I I

[19:08] certainly welcome it or just just encourage you to have general

[19:10] discussion. This doesn't include all the legal services. There's about $56,000

[19:16] that we pay uh for membership fees to the municipal league. So that also that

[19:22] you know at this rate he's going to make 140 $34,000 a year versus part time.

[19:29] » Thank you. >> Thank you.

[19:31] » Anyone else? >> Can I ask one quick?

[19:33] » Yeah, go ahead. Andrew, um, just to summarize,

[19:36] um, your request is that there be an SOP ordinance describing how we receive the

[19:42] bill and pay those out. >> Correct? I thought

[19:52] I ask one question real quick. I'm sorry, Andrew. On the on the last tab or

[19:55] column on the invoice, do you know what that header is?

[20:00] Like I see the bill hours, the amount. What's that last? So he has bill of he

[20:04] has his rate and then that's the total. >> Okay.

[20:07] » And the other thing u uh that I think would also be helpful for billing

[20:12] practices. I know it's not required by the state supreme court or by state

[20:15] legislation. Um but obviously the city attorney def represents the city in

[20:19] legal matters. So I think it would be helpful to to add in a requirement that

[20:23] actual case numbers be tied to the invoice. That way he can actually track

[20:28] total dollars spent on each individual lawsuit that the the attorney has to

[20:32] represent city on. >> Thank you.

[20:36] » Wait, y'all got any more questions for Andrew before we move on?

[20:42] » Chris Mooney 1325 North Main Street. Uh a couple of uh shorter items I sent to

[20:49] all of y'all uh about a month and a half ago with the five

[20:55] relationship between the city and the commission and it ran from nothing to

[21:03] dissolve the city mayor. Um, at this point in our

[21:10] life cycle with all the things going on related to the utility

[21:16] conventions, I think the latter would be inconvenient for everybody and probably

[21:22] an issue in the near term. What I would suggest though, and the mayor has

[21:26] brought this up, as have other people, Mindy McClendon and others at the

[21:30] commission, why don't you pass a resolution simply asking them to webcast

[21:36] their meetings, >> their meetings?

[21:40] » We've asked that before, actually. >> Been asking that asked that several

[21:42] times. >> I'd love [clears throat] to at least

[21:45] have a recording of it. >> It's 2026. I don't know.

[21:50] » This room, they could fit it up in their own room. Anyway, um that would be

[21:54] » what did you say right there? they could actually meet in this room

[22:00] up for that which anyway that's would be >> as that several times and actually they

[22:05] I think there was a little bit of a push back from them at one point

[22:07] » they said no >> there was a lot of push back

[22:09] » I don't understand that at all >> I ask you there has been historically a

[22:15] fair amount of push back on that type of

[22:20] » it would be they push back on the video but I did request the recording of a

[22:24] meeting I was not able to attend And I was provided that within an hour they

[22:30] record them. The audio recording was >> they have to record them.

[22:34] » Why don't they put >> all public?

[22:36] » But you'd like to have a repository if you want to go out and listen without

[22:39] request. You'd like to have that. >> Right.

[22:43] » There needs to be more public disclosure of the discussion to go on within the

[22:48] utility commission. There's clearly a lot of moving parts in wastewater and

[22:54] water currently and so I think that would be a good start

[23:00] moving forward >> as as will this meeting that TJ just

[23:04] brought up. Um and then the other item I have is on item number 28 this evening.

[23:14] um after plan adoption. I hope you do it. The Pierce family

[23:20] here, they would be very happy. They've been

[23:24] very cooperative with the um planning staff on thinking about what can be done

[23:32] and thank you for doing that. And

[23:37] » the city needs to move forward otherwise you may lose their cooperation.

[23:42] Thanks, Chris. >> Thank you.

[23:45] » You're crying. >> I was kind of yawning.

[23:49] » Don't cry. [laughter] Anyone else?

[23:54] » Thomas?

[23:58] Thomas C. Locks, 1421 Florentine Road. Mr. Mayor, ladies and gentlemen of the

[24:05] Center City Council, on Sunday, 20 September, 2026,

[24:12] 1:00 p.m. to 3 p.m. I, Thomas Elox, will be hosting a candidates forum at the old

[24:19] Center City Town Hall, 290 North Main Street team. Bring your questions. Bring

[24:27] your children. Who's invited? All candidates running for office are

[24:32] encouraged to attend. All eligible voters acting in good faith are asked to

[24:37] attend with their children. What will be the highlight? At 3:10, the

[24:44] floor will be open to candidates running for city council. Next will come the

[24:48] mayor candidates and after that all other candidates based on time and

[24:56] uh number of participants. >> What was the date again, Thomas?

[24:59] » Thank you. It's Sunday.

[25:03] » Yes. >> September 20th.

[25:04] » September 20th, 1 p.m. to 3 p.m. >> Thanks.

[25:11] » Okay, so that's the highlights. Why is it on Sunday? I know you're asking that

[25:15] question. Opportunity, and I wrote this down. Familyfriendly venue.

[25:22] Why is it familyfriendly? Free beverages, free snacks, free food.

[25:31] Okay, now I'm going to have the part that hurts. The feedback to the

[25:34] candidates that were there last time. I was asked to say this. There are two

[25:38] things that was brought up. Number one, I was asked to ask you not to talk about

[25:43] yourself so much. So, you just refer it to your website or whatever if they want

[25:48] your background, but they thought you were kind of uh slow rolling things so

[25:52] you didn't have to answer questions. And then uh everybody was like, "This does

[25:58] not work." or this is the problem. But nobody came forth with plans and plans

[26:02] to implement those plans. So my suggestion would be this is the first

[26:07] thing I'm going to do on the day I'm elected. This is the second thing I'm

[26:10] going to do, third thing, etc., etc. And let people know how you're going to make

[26:15] that happen. Okay, here's the conclusion.

[26:19] All the time, all I hear about is rights. Everybody has rights, right? And

[26:23] I'll fight for your rights. I have no problem fighting for your rights. But

[26:26] along with rights comes responsibilities.

[26:31] Every eligible citizen has a civic duty to vote.

[26:36] So let's stop with the excuses and get out and vote.

[26:40] » Thank you. >> Thank you, Thomas.

[26:41] » Hey, did I see you out with a vest [sighs and gasps] last week picking up

[26:45] trash on the side of the road? >> No.

[26:48] [laughter] >> Or some like or rid's bicycle to

[26:52] Bentonville. I see him every morning. >> Yeah. Anyone else? Public comment.

[27:03] » I'd like to say no. Yeah, you come on back up. We need

[27:06] your name and address. >> My name is Taylor Seismore. I am with

[27:10] the Pierce family. Uh, and on the Pierce Farm.

[27:14] » You got an address. >> What's your address?

[27:18] » Your address is 40 Mealbrook Circle in Bentonville. Okay.

[27:21] » I'm here representing the Beers Farm. >> Okay. Go ahead, sir. Sorry,

[27:25] » my comments are towards the new downtown. Is that going to have another

[27:29] public comment or is now the time to speak?

[27:31] » Now's the time. >> Okay. So,

[27:33] » already had their hearing and everything. So, this is the time.

[27:35] » Same thing is what Mr. Mooney had already mentioned is we have been in

[27:38] participation with all of this. I personally was on the uh Centerton

[27:43] downtown steering committee as as a landowner rep. So, I just want everybody

[27:48] to know that the three largest land owners that were within this boundary of

[27:53] the downtown plan, they were present at all of the steering committee meetings

[27:57] and so they gave their input. They gave their feedback and they had full

[28:02] participation throughout that. I just want the city council to understand that

[28:06] before they go into their vote. um some other things that

[28:11] uh this is going to require some sort of

[28:16] ordinances to be established. But another thing I want everybody to

[28:20] understand on this type of large development is there's communities and

[28:24] the plan zoning districts and this can have its specific rules and regulations

[28:29] and types of zoning without having to do the entire complex zoning amendments to

[28:35] the like the center plan to max this. So, there's ways to do these large

[28:41] amazing projects. So, uh I just want everybody to know that the Pierce

[28:46] family's been participating. Uh we support this new downtown plan and we

[28:52] hope to see it go through. >> Thank you, sir.

[28:56] » Thank you. >> Anyone else? Oh, yeah. Cindy, I thought

[28:59] somebody else was coming up. >> I know who you are, but say for him. I

[29:05] got you. got me. Um, got my address. >> I got you.

[29:11] » I just wanted to say, um, in part of what Chris had to say, I have been

[29:17] attending meetings for about the last three and a

[29:20] half years off and on things I've heard is incredulous.

[29:26] Last month's meeting, in my opinion, was one of the worst.

[29:31] Wendy brought up some of the things to me that I had just completely oversening

[29:36] and it was just some of the words or the comments that were made by the

[29:40] commissioners was just shocking and um not in the

[29:48] realm of a servant's heart. Who are they serving if they're not serving the

[29:51] residents of Sandon? And on Chris's options what to do with the water

[29:57] commission, I'm going to disagree with the do nothing. I think something needs

[30:02] to be done. We need to you you all need to evaluate what their actual mission

[30:07] is, what their goals are, and how are they accomplishing them. Are they

[30:11] accomplishing them? Um I was just shocked. I think those meetings, they

[30:16] don't they should not have an option. They should be recorded.

[30:21] They're serving the residents of Center. We have the right to know apart from

[30:26] attending every one of them during those hours uh what is going on in those

[30:31] meetings. >> You know stick it to them to the

[30:35] residents of center is not an appropriate comment for a commissioner

[30:41] that is serving the residents of center and other things were said last month.

[30:47] This room is already set up for recording. If they don't want to go

[30:51] through the expense of setting up this room for it, then they need to come

[30:56] here. But they need to be recorded so that the residents of Centerton can see

[31:00] and hear what is being said and done. 41 to 45% water loss is not okay. People

[31:10] need to be held accountable for that. The national average is 20 to 25%.

[31:17] We far exceed that. That means 45 cents of every dollar that we pay in for water

[31:24] is going into the ground because we're paying for it.

[31:29] So anyhow, please don't not do anything. The water commission needs to be

[31:36] examined. >> That's just one comment on that. I just

[31:40] wanted to say to TJ I just respect you and your

[31:44] professionalism, the consistency and your professionalism in each of those

[31:49] meetings. I attend every meeting. So, I just appreciate the work that you do and

[31:54] the input that you give. That's a high caliber that needs to be consistent with

[32:00] everyone on >> I just don't want you to take that

[32:03] personally.

[32:08] It's just something you have.

[32:16] » Last call. Anyone else? >> You already spoke.

[32:20] » I'm back. >> Don't get times. [laughter]

[32:26] » Since Cindy brought up the water loss and I wasn't going to talk about it

[32:30] tonight, but let's get the actual real numbers according to their audit. And

[32:34] those are the real numbers. Um, I've been told they're not the real

[32:38] numbers in commission meeting, but they are the real financial.

[32:43] In 2023, the loss rate was 41.4%. In 2024, the loss rate was 42.4%

[32:52] and in 2025, the loss rate was up to 46.6%.

[32:56] That was a little that was almost uh that was $2,48,000

[33:01] worth losses [snorts] water paid for that went to the

[33:05] ground. Now, they are making an effort. And when I brought this up the last

[33:10] time, I was asked if uh if I was accusing them of being incompetent.

[33:15] I said, "No, I'm trying to encourage you to spend the money to fix the problem.

[33:20] Hopefully, we'll get better numbers for 206,

[33:24] but wrong direction." >> Well, I have some questions for TJ if

[33:29] that's all right. >> Come on, back up, TJ.

[33:33] » Welcome to the hot seat. Uh when I was on commission, we set up

[33:38] the crews that were going to go around and fix the leaks

[33:42] update on those crews. >> Yeah. So we need to still get the

[33:45] monthly update with the data that you had requested

[33:50] of um service projects per month. Um it's steady. Um

[33:58] I will say that beginning of the year the no water loss increase was high and

[34:04] so the center utility staff team our crews that are our employees kind of

[34:11] pivoted and they went and spent I believe don't quote me on the months I

[34:15] don't have the data right in front of me but I believe

[34:18] spent a lot of time listening to all hydrants and to as many meter cans as

[34:23] they possibly could. Um the the staff of the utility is very

[34:31] understands the dire need to improve water loss.

[34:36] Again, yes, the national averages for water loss are much lower. The average

[34:42] for water loss in Northwest Arkansas is very much in line with what Centerton

[34:46] is. I'm not saying that means we should do nothing and be adequate with being

[34:50] just like everybody else. However, this is not just a problem. City of Centerton

[34:54] is fighting. City of Fyville is fighting this problem. City of Bentonville, city

[34:58] of Springdale, they're all fighting this same problem. Has to do with type of

[35:03] material used um installation construction methods back in the 2000s,

[35:09] 2010s, um things of this nature. We do uh you know we've had conversations with

[35:15] Bentville and they say don't do this because

[35:18] don't don't spend your money talking to this type of contractor because they're

[35:22] not going to yield results. Okay, we heed that advice. So it's like okay,

[35:26] we're not going to go chase that rabbit hole. Bet Bill's already spent that

[35:29] money and said we we didn't find success in that. Right. That's just one example,

[35:34] right, that I I've been in that conversation with Preston New. Um so

[35:39] we're using our resources. resources include, you know, professionals outside

[35:44] of the utilities office, but also colleagues at other utility departments.

[35:49] Um, so that I think that's just the general update. We still have a contract

[35:55] with two contractors to perform serviceability

[35:58] improvements. I believe they're in Sienna right now is my understanding.

[36:02] » Okay. So maybe some things have changed. We had we were hiring two sets of teams

[36:07] or that was the goal within within the utility to handle that outsourcing that

[36:13] now >> we have both.

[36:15] » We have both. So so we do have two teams within the city on the utility they're

[36:18] doing our way down to one because I know we moved back to one due to due to uh

[36:24] red some people left I think. I I don't know the exact stats but we have

[36:29] internal team doing service repair and placement and we have outside cons uh

[36:34] contractors also doing the same task there budget talks are going to be

[36:39] coming up here in the next few months. Staff has requested some expenses that

[36:44] will help with some tools to expedite um water service replacement stuff. So

[36:51] » you could definitely see driving down Sienna.

[36:54] » That's that was what I was gonna ask. I drove down in Sienna, that neighborhood,

[37:00] » and some of those yards were in pretty bad shape after looks like after the

[37:05] fact. >> Are we anything about making those

[37:09] better shape or are we going to leave them that way?

[37:13] » Um, so I'll speak to my residence was done a year and a half ago. Mhm.

[37:19] » Um, my sidewalk was exposed, I think, for like eight weeks, um, just with

[37:24] gravel. Um, and I believe it was, uh, Center Utilities that did my residence.

[37:32] Um, that's due to timing of concrete trucks and things like that. Like, we're

[37:38] not going to go get a concrete truck for every sidewalk fix, right?

[37:42] » Some of the yards looked really bad. It wasn't even a

[37:44] » Right. And so Paul, so I guess to to that point, right, the the area around

[37:48] that sidewalk that was disturbed and the meters um that did not get rehabilitated

[37:53] until the sidewalks were completed and so and yeah, there was some maintenance

[37:58] that I had to do to my space there, right? Um our our crews I think put it

[38:04] back as best they can, but I can pass on the message that to

[38:09] » continue to provide care. appreciate the work that the utility puts in. Those did

[38:14] look pretty bad though when I drove down through there.

[38:16] » Understood. Understood. [clears throat]

[38:20] » Suggestions. >> Oh, I will say just for public record

[38:25] that the way they're monitoring the customer side of the meters is very

[38:31] nice. I got a text message that I had increased usage over a two-month period

[38:36] and I have almost probably a little over 600 feet of water line from the meter to

[38:41] my house. So, I would have never known that. But a quick test text message

[38:46] said, "Hey, you need to check something." And come to find out, I did

[38:50] have a leak. I was losing about threequarters of a gallon a minute into

[38:54] my field. So, I appreciate the notification. You know, it was

[38:59] incremental change. it went from, you know, 2,000 to 3,000 to 8,000. Um, but

[39:06] that was good to get that notification and to be able to to find that rectify

[39:10] that problem in 3 days. Um, but I would have never known. I would just keep

[39:14] paying my water bill thinking, I guess I'm using more water, you know, because

[39:18] I have a certain things like that. But to to have them monitoring that ination

[39:23] was appreciated.

[39:28] » Thank you. Thank you. >> Before I close public comment on Chris,

[39:33] you gave us some pictures. Did you want to talk about these?

[39:39] » Well, I'm sitting here. I'm looking at it, but I figured you wanted to say

[39:42] something. >> The mayor and I both walk every day. But

[39:48] just for those who don't, there's your this will be

[39:53] dollars at work, please. the remediation of the existing sewage lines and

[40:02] » well it's 16.5 million dollars we part this project by the way just as an aside

[40:08] again so that's what it is I mean there's pipes all over the place but

[40:12] that was the largest fielding of pipes and the biggest hole it's an impressive

[40:17] hole if you haven't gone by take a look at it um the utility uh deck service is

[40:24] going to double between this year and next year to accommodate for this new

[40:31] effort. Um, so their budget is going to get a lot tighter than it has been. They

[40:36] can afford that based I have I can't find my 25 audit copy, but based on what

[40:41] I saw in 23 and 24, they should be able to afford that. So no rate increases as

[40:46] a result to be but it is going to constrain them on potentially other

[40:52] capital when you go from 2 million to 4 million

[40:59] interest in debt retirement annual and that's in 2027.

[41:06] » Anyone else public comment before I call it?

[41:13] Let me get the clock. >> Hang on just a minute. Mike turn.

[41:21] » Sorry. >> How you doing?

[41:22] » How you doing? >> So I just got some comments that I would

[41:25] like to >> Mike. Tell me real quick. I'm sorry.

[41:27] Your address again. >> What's that?

[41:29] » Address again. >> 1510 Edinburg.

[41:35] » So I spent 49 years in Southern California. Moved there right out of

[41:39] high school. carpenter for 40 years, Union Carpenter. The last eight years I

[41:44] was armed security. So I saw the town that I moved into in Southern California

[41:50] was 28,000 people in 1971. It's now 168,000 people. The town that my father

[41:58] lives in, which right next to it, is right now it's 25,000 people.

[42:04] So I watched all the pains, the growing pains go. Great

[42:10] administration, horrible administrations. And some of the things

[42:14] that I saw, I couldn't believe. One of the things

[42:17] that Norco, that's a city that that is 25,000 people. One of the things they

[42:21] did, they were going to have a growth spur just like Centerton. So what they

[42:26] did, they put a five-year building moratorum on only individual house and

[42:31] limited commercial. They got all their infrastructure up which center's very

[42:37] lacking at and then after five years they opened it up and they had very few

[42:41] growing pains. Some of the things I've seen around here is first of all the

[42:45] roads. I don't know how you're going to improve the buildings and that's the

[42:49] main thing around here. This place is gridlocked already and apparently

[42:53] either you don't live here or you don't care about traffic. I've been blocked up

[42:58] from Bliss all the way to the light at Maine and it happens every day. Another

[43:04] thing is we have I live off of SBA and Keller. All these subdivisions going

[43:11] along back there and to get out of Keller to 102 is an absolute insanity.

[43:16] It needs to have light there. And I know that's a state

[43:20] and it's a state facil state. So I've never seen in 40 years if somebody

[43:27] applied for a variance if it had to do with the safety of citizens that city,

[43:32] state or county united that this thing gets rolling, you're

[43:38] going to have to do something there because it's just going to be insane.

[43:41] Another thing I'm wondering about is Norco is like I said 25,000 people. They

[43:46] have their own high school. My cousin graduated from it in 72 junior high

[43:51] elementary schools. My daughter went to Norco Elementary. She's 42 years old. So

[43:57] all we have here is Bentonville. So if you're going to have this many people

[44:01] come in, what are you going to do? Are you going to build your own schools

[44:04] here? Because these schools here are already at max almost maxed out.

[44:09] Bentonville Grims. I mean, my daughter is a nurse. She was at Grimsley for six

[44:12] months. They opened the door and they were capacity at them. So are you going

[44:17] to build your own schools here? because the educational system

[44:23] in Arkansas is at 47th in the country. And so if you're just going to keep

[44:29] piling people into the the high schools, the kids are going to suffer. That's one

[44:34] of my main concerns. And I'm out of time. Thank you for your time.

[44:37] » Thank you, sir. All right. Last call.

[44:43] I'm go ahead and close public comment. Let me get the other screen here.

[44:48] All right. Well, next we're going to go into ordinances and resolutions. But

[44:52] before we start, I would like to make a motion to read

[44:55] all ordinances and resolutions by Ty Holly.

[45:00] A >> motion.

[45:00] » We have a motion. We have a second. >> Second.

[45:03] » Second. Roll call. Sir Thompson.

[45:07] » Yes. >> Dustin Calgary.

[45:09] » Wendy Henson. >> Did you say yes? Wendy.

[45:15] [clears throat] >> Reed.

[45:16] » Yes. Joshua Hagen. Yes. And Cody Miles. >> Yes.

[45:20] Five to one. >> All right. All right. So, our first

[45:25] ordinance is ordinance 2026-22. Uh we've seen this several times. Uh I'm

[45:31] bringing back uh some changes that were requested have been made. I highlighted

[45:37] the areas we changed, but also Brian asked me to put this one in here about

[45:41] complimentary complimentary use shall not be available for candidate

[45:45] campaigning events, political fundraising activities.

[45:49] Other words, they won't give it away for free. Uh we charge that. Then also uh he

[45:55] said the mayor may deny or revoke the approval. Brian has to change the city

[46:01] mayor. And then Justin brought up Justin or Cliff brought up about subletting the

[46:05] room out. That's what this this uh code is here. Instead of putting on the form,

[46:10] I just went ahead and added it to the ordinance. Uh outside that everything

[46:14] else is the same. So any questions?

[46:22] » All right. Uh, council member >> ordinance number 2026-22,

[46:28] an ordinance amending chapter 12.20 of the senator municipal code regarding

[46:33] the municipal facility fee schedule and authorizing limited fee waiverss for

[46:37] community use of the community room and for other purposes.

[46:41] » So like make a motion to suspend the rule requiring regress on three separate

[46:45] occasions. >> I make a motion.

[46:47] » We have a motion. We have a second. >> Second.

[46:50] » Second by Cliff. Roll call, sir. Cliff Thompson,

[46:54] » yes. >> Justin Caler,

[46:55] » yes. >> Henson,

[46:57] » recusing. >> Josie Reed,

[46:59] » yes. >> Joshua Hagen,

[47:01] » yes. >> And Cody Miles,

[47:02] » yes. >> All right. Next is ordinance 2026-29.

[47:06] This is the annexation ordinance. >> Oh, sorry. Back. Keep me straight.

[47:12] Somebody make a motion to adopt ordinance 2026-22.

[47:17] » We have a motion. We have a second. >> Second. Second by Cody. Roll call, sir.

[47:24] » Cliff Thompson. >> Yes.

[47:25] » Justin Calgary. >> Josie Reed.

[47:28] » Yes. >> Cody M.

[47:31] » All right. >> Now we'll go to ordinance 2026-29.

[47:36] This is the annexation ordinance I brought back last month.

[47:40] » Uh here's a map of the area. This is down off of Highway 102

[47:45] and south North Calfell Cemetery Road. The ones that are numbered are the ones

[47:49] that are >> and and this is uh this was uh read at

[47:55] the last meeting and this uh this is the second reading of that same ordinance.

[48:01] So any questions on this and at the end after he reads it the second time we

[48:06] don't have to take a vote on it. We don't take a vote till the third

[48:08] reading. >> Any questions? Sorry if I moved on to

[48:13] this side. I'm sorry. >> City of Sarin Ordinance number 2026-29.

[48:18] An ordinance accepting the annexation of certain territory belonging to Brown at

[48:22] all to the city of Centerton and assigning such to warrants and zoning

[48:27] designation. And that fulfills the requirement for second reading. Right B?

[48:32] » Next month we'll bring it back for approval. All right. So next is

[48:36] ordinance 2026-31. Uh this is accepting uh warranty bonds

[48:41] and easements from Skylight Mini Storage which is located on Greenhouse Road. All

[48:46] the bonds and easements are attached. >> Any questions on this?

[48:53] Council >> City of Sergeant ordinance number

[48:56] 2026-31 an ordinance accepting warranty bonds

[49:01] for public infrastructure improvements in drainage and utility easements for

[49:05] development 22-12 skylight mini storage on land located in the east half of the

[49:12] southwest quarter of northwest one quarter of section 2 township 19 north

[49:17] range 31 west city of center Benton County Arkansas also known as parcels

[49:22] 06- 00001-125

[49:27] and 06-00001-126

[49:33] for the construction, operation, and maintenance of a public drainage in

[49:36] water and sewer systems. Okay. So, make motion to suspend the

[49:41] rule requiring Regis on three separate occasions.

[49:44] » So, moved. >> We have a motion. We have a second.

[49:47] » Second. >> Second by Josh. Roll call, sir.

[49:51] Ruth Thompson, >> yes.

[49:53] » Justin Calgary, no. >> Wendy Henson,

[49:56] » Josie Reed, >> yes.

[49:58] » Joshua Hagen, >> yes.

[49:59] » And Cody Miles, >> yes.

[50:01] » Okay. >> And we make a motion to adopt ordinance

[50:04] 2026-31.

[50:08] » So, we have a motion. We have second. >> Second.

[50:12] » Second. Roll call, sir. >> Thompson.

[50:15] » Yes. >> Caler.

[50:18] » Yes. >> Wendy Hansen.

[50:20] » Joy Reed. Yes. >> Joshua Hagen.

[50:22] » Yes. >> And Cody Miles.

[50:24] » Yes. >> Next is ordinance 2026-32.

[50:28] This is accepting uh [clears throat] land from the Oak Partner, Oaklanding

[50:32] Partners LLC. Uh this is the land that located and actually I wanted to mention

[50:38] that this is uh something that Anthony was working on uh you know for several

[50:42] months working with these folks >> and I just wanted to acknowledge that uh

[50:46] you know in this meeting. This was something he was really adamant about

[50:49] working with. And uh there's the land. I had Josh kind of make me just a little

[50:53] quick map of it. So there it is. It's right across from the Versail

[50:56] subdivision and it backs all the way up to Christian Lane down here. And this is

[51:00] a little bit over 80 acres somehow. >> Yes.

[51:09] » Anybody have any questions?

[51:13] » Picture is a little bit off but it's close. Yeah, he just maybe I just has to

[51:17] throw something together for me. And we are going to have to annex a little

[51:20] piece of this in which I'll I'll bring back. Uh I'll start that process after

[51:24] this after we we have to record this need, but you have to approve it first.

[51:29] » And this is the mountain bike. They're putting the mountain bike trails in.

[51:32] » I'm not really sure what they're putting in. Josh, you you out there somewhere? I

[51:36] I didn't know we had any plans for anything right at the moment, but I'll

[51:39] let Josh talk about it. Uh tatively is right now we don't have

[51:45] anything planned. Uh we looking at set up for a grant so we can get some

[51:49] engineering designs on it. Basically all green space is what it's going to be

[51:54] outdoor park outdoor seating trails art soft basically all outdoor stuff.

[52:02] We need to try to get some grants so we can

[52:06] » with the foundation.

[52:10] » Any more questions? So, Brian, this is the contract you were working through

[52:13] last month, correct? >> L.

[52:17] » Yeah, he was working with the last couple months. Yes.

[52:19] » Oh, this is the uh Yeah, someone was saying it was Walmart, but it's Oakland.

[52:23] » Oakland. Yes. >> Yes. Okay.

[52:25] » You you are the deed there. >> You know, my concerns and I mean, we've

[52:30] got some appealable rights in here, but uh uh

[52:34] » number nine. Is that what you're thinking? 9 through 11's going to

[52:38] » uh yeah, I think we add a little bit of nine, but I mean it's it's always one of

[52:41] those I mean they're they're granting it to us but

[52:44] » in perpetuity we can only use it how they say we can

[52:49] use it and that's always of concern to me.

[52:53] » Yeah. So, you know, it's h one haven't done the other, but there is at least a

[52:57] an appeal process. But I mean, we don't know who will be uh owning this and

[53:02] whatnot with regards to 100 years from now. Uh what we can do, but we are

[53:06] locked in if we agree to this to to follow

[53:11] their desires. Paul's point, >> we had plenty of time to kind of like

[53:15] walk through that with them though, like >> they're not going to budge. This is it.

[53:20] I mean, they're they they want a grant. They want to make sure it's it's public

[53:23] parks or or whatnot. And it can be. I mean, and that sounds great today, but

[53:27] we don't know a hundred years from now. >> I thought we were talking I agree, but I

[53:32] thought we were talking month of in a sense there's an in good faith part

[53:37] of this too. Like we're going to do our best, but I mean there's also

[53:40] » No, I mean it's uh if we don't do our best, you know, it's uh we can end up in

[53:45] » I get it. We're not going to fast food chain like we're not going to do

[53:48] something crazy. But I mean >> that's right. Well, I mean I would hate

[53:51] to the concern would be if like uh if we have infrastructure issues with water or

[53:57] sewer and things that you know we've got to put pipelines in or we've got to do

[54:01] certain things or we have use it for for electricity or whatnot we will be

[54:06] absolutely prohibited from doing that. >> Okay. So my question would be if we have

[54:10] an idea of what we want to do with it like if we bring them along and that

[54:14] what's the herd in that? I mean, I would hate to not get this land and

[54:18] » I mean, my job is just to let you know the risks. You see what I'm saying? So,

[54:22] I mean, great that they're giving us energy. Yeah. Or giving us property.

[54:25] » Can you not can you not go to them if there's like like you talk about

[54:29] infrastructure, can you not go to them after this is completed and and say,

[54:34] "Hey, we have this going on." >> They they we have included in here um

[54:40] » three, right? >> It's It's been so long since I've read

[54:43] this. I think it was uh um >> no I I think it's paragraph the second

[54:50] page of paragraph nine that I mean we we we can request

[54:55] modifications you know however you know basically I mean it says the requested

[54:59] modifications that remain generally consistent with the open space

[55:02] recreational conservation drainage and public purpose intent of the property

[55:06] you know and it's uh uh so so ultimately they're going to have the the ultimate

[55:11] say >> okay Josh you've had a lot of

[55:12] conversations with these folks folks, based on the conversations that you've

[55:15] had, any concerns from your perspective, how do you feel about it? Like what what

[55:20] are we not thinking through here? >> Like I said last time, I don't speak

[55:23] legally. >> I understand, but from like the what we

[55:26] want to do with it, the vision think like that where's that temperature in

[55:31] the room right now? >> I think it has great access to doing

[55:33] some good stuff that could help out the city through trails and actually

[55:37] connecting some trails from Bentonville to Centerton. Uh we've had many meetings

[55:42] with that of how to get trails from third street from Collier to Centerton

[55:47] and how to connect it to our trails we have in the high school and do that and

[55:52] it's a perfect place that we can get through there. But you have to play by

[55:57] the rules that they kind of put out. >> Well, and and the thing is this. I think

[56:01] that their current desire is good. I think our I think it's an awesome place

[56:06] but when an issue develops none of us are going to be uh

[56:12] » making decisions and none of them will either. It'll be completely different

[56:16] people. So I mean that's my job is just to let you know of the risk so you guys

[56:21] can make a the ultimate decision. I mean I hate to say turn down

[56:27] » like it's taken so long at this point a special word fishing with them.

[56:32] » Agree. I think it's >> according to the warning according to

[56:34] what you said >> if we use this for park purposes

[56:40] we have nothing to worry about >> correct

[56:42] » okay so the intended purpose of this donation is for park purposes if we

[56:50] waver away from that we will need to get in writing that they are okay with that

[56:54] otherwise we stay within that lane that they've given us

[56:58] » like like yeah some of the parks that we have now like uh you know the dog park

[57:02] or the If we needed to widen the road, we could

[57:05] do that because we own it. We have the right to do that. We could never do that

[57:09] with this. >> Okay.

[57:12] » We would have to get permission to widen.

[57:14] » Exactly. And they're, you know, and I we would have to expect that they're going

[57:18] to say, "No, this was for park purposes, not for

[57:20] » Well, it depends on what you mean widening the road." I meant white. I

[57:23] thought you meant widening the road to >> Well, if it's for accessibility though,

[57:27] like in number three, it covers improvements shall be limited under

[57:31] certain use or under certain reasons there. And accessibility is one of

[57:35] those. >> I feel like that's a little bit in good

[57:37] faith right there. Right. Reasonably, >> arguably again, I mean, worst case

[57:41] scenario. Again, as long as it sticks within the parameters of being a park

[57:47] purpose, >> keep it within the parameters of what

[57:49] they recommended, which is outdoor green space, outdoor trails, outdoor uses.

[57:55] » Yeah. We have to widen it to make a trail head. I'm sure they will.

[57:58] » I don't think anything that they touched though hasn't turned into something that

[58:02] the city and surrounding cities absolutely love. So like at this point I

[58:06] feel like we would be doing oursel and our community a disservice by not doing

[58:11] this but we've worked on this long enough I don't understand how we don't

[58:14] have much progress on that. >> I would also think that they would be

[58:16] » can't get anything done without the deed being transferable.

[58:19] » I understand that piece but I'm just talking about like the the ideation

[58:23] whatever of what we want to do with it. Like I understand we're not going to say

[58:26] we want four green or four wooden stakes here like

[58:31] » four more baseball fields. But we're not going to dump

[58:33] » I know you're going to say that. I know you're going to say that.

[58:35] » I've said that a lot. Yeah. And >> we're not going to dump a lot of money

[58:38] into doing engineering if we don't own the land. There's so much you can do.

[58:45] » Then we go from there. >> I guess my thing is I wonder if like

[58:49] this has been after something like this has happened before

[58:53] » and it wasn't followed through on. I mean this is a lot of land worth a lot

[58:58] of money. So I think that the protection of the asset essentially is why they're

[59:03] doing it. Um but I mean I think we've

[59:11] I mean the park thing can we not meet with them like the council and them

[59:16] together? Is that an option? >> Well, I know this uh the attorney I was

[59:20] working with was in Little Rock. So, I guess a question I would have to council

[59:26] is what would you want to do with that land outside of keeping it green space

[59:31] and park use and trails? What they're chosing,

[59:34] » right? >> I don't know that there is

[59:36] » I think that's everybody's current intent. The question is what do we do in

[59:42] the future when none of us are here and we have no idea what the what the needs

[59:45] are and we've got folks saying what were these folks doing back in 2026 when they

[59:51] agreed to you know in real estate though those stipulations

[59:55] » they say that about our downtown now right

[1:00:00] » is an opportunity to preserve 80 green space within our community

[1:00:05] » restrictions are listed in the deed and this is the actual deed

[1:00:10] restrictions are there. >> The motion we pass it as as is.

[1:00:15] » Yeah. I'll second there. Second there's a section of land in Rogers that's on

[1:00:19] prime commercial property that is a designated prairie forever.

[1:00:24] » Yeah. >> And it's just because the family

[1:00:26] designated that as Sl Prairie and will stay a prairie

[1:00:31] » now till the end of time, you know. So there are things around here like that

[1:00:34] where people want to preserve green space and natural things. So I think

[1:00:40] it's >> it the intent is good. You know

[1:00:44] » I think the benefit to the community outweigh any potential risk down the

[1:00:47] road. >> I think it if we pass it, you know

[1:00:51] what's who's to say we can't bring them along as that happens? I think that's a

[1:00:55] pretty cool as well which a good thing to keep them along and do

[1:01:00] » perfect example is look at 8 street. made by foundation. Look what they did

[1:01:04] that with our pass and all that. >> Don't We have a motion on the table. We

[1:01:07] probably need >> secondbody's motion. Somebody made a

[1:01:11] motion. Josh made a second. >> You're getting ahead here. We got to

[1:01:14] read it first and then suspend the rule. >> But but also I want to say when me and

[1:01:20] Anthony talked about all this and I think he talked to Josh too.

[1:01:22] » Thank you Josh. >> We have some opportunities. You were

[1:01:26] talking about grants. We have opportunities through the foundation to

[1:01:29] get those grants you know to help us with that. I think they have the same

[1:01:32] vision we have. So, >> well, there's a lot of access to good

[1:01:35] grants here locally. So, >> yeah. So,

[1:01:39] all right. So, any more questions before he reads it by title?

[1:01:45] » That was a good question though. I appreciate that, Council.

[1:01:48] » Okay. Ordinance number 2026-32, an ordinance accepting the conveyance of

[1:01:54] certain real property from Oakland LLC to the city of Centeron, Arkansas,

[1:01:59] authorizing the acceptance and recording of a quick claim deed, establishing the

[1:02:03] purpose and use of the property, authorizing the mayor and city clerk to

[1:02:07] execute necessary documents and for other purposes. Some would like make a

[1:02:11] motion to suspend the rule required read on three separate occasions. So,

[1:02:16] » we have a motion. We have a second. Second.

[1:02:18] » Have a second. Roll call, sir. >> Thompson.

[1:02:22] » Yes. Justin Calgary. >> This is on three separate occasions.

[1:02:26] » No. >> Wendy Henson.

[1:02:30] » I'm gonna say no as well. [clears throat]

[1:02:33] » Reed. >> Yes.

[1:02:35] » Joshua Hagen. >> Yes.

[1:02:37] » And Cody Miles. >> Yes.

[1:02:39] » Now, somebody make a motion to adopt ordinance 2026 32. Here we are. Justin,

[1:02:44] » make a motion. >> Second.

[1:02:46] » Motion. had a quick second. >> Roll call, sir.

[1:02:50] » Thompson, >> yes.

[1:02:52] » Johnson Calgary, >> yes.

[1:02:54] » Wendy Henson, >> yes.

[1:02:55] » Jesse Reed, >> yes.

[1:02:56] » Joshua Hagen, >> yes.

[1:02:57] » And Cody Miles, >> yes.

[1:03:00] » All right. This ordinance is ordinance 2026-33.

[1:03:05] This is accepted a general utility easement dedication from Ralph Coleman

[1:03:08] Homes uh for property located on the corner of Bliss and Counter.

[1:03:15] Any questions?

[1:03:21] » City of Center. Somebody have questions.

[1:03:27] » Lost. Sorry. We're good. >> You're good. Okay. Go ahead. Council.

[1:03:31] » City of Saratan ordinance number 2026-3.

[1:03:35] An ordinance accepting a general utility easement dedication from Ross Coleman

[1:03:40] Homes for property located in part of the southwest quarter of the northwest

[1:03:43] quarter of section 32 township 20 north range 31 west city of centeron Benton

[1:03:48] County Arkansas make a motion to suspend a rule

[1:03:52] requiring three separate occasions ordinance 20263.

[1:03:57] » I'll make a motion. You >> have a motion. We have a second.

[1:04:00] » Second. >> Second. Roll call. Sir

[1:04:04] Thompson. Yes. >> Justin Calgary.

[1:04:06] » No. >> Lindy Henson.

[1:04:08] » Desie Reed. >> Yes.

[1:04:10] » Joshua Hagen. >> Yes.

[1:04:11] » And Cody Miles. Yes. >> All right. That's it for ordinances.

[1:04:17] » Oh, wait.

[1:04:21] » I'd like to make a motion to adopt ordinance 2026-33.

[1:04:26] » We have a motion. We have a second. >> Second.

[1:04:29] » All right. Now, roll call. Sorry. Todd >> Thompson.

[1:04:32] » Yes. >> Dustin Calgary. Yes.

[1:04:34] » Andy Hson, >> yes.

[1:04:35] » Jesse Reid, >> yes.

[1:04:37] » Joshua Hagen, >> yes.

[1:04:38] » And Cody Miles, >> yes.

[1:04:41] » Next is or resolution 2026-27. This is a resolution that was brought to

[1:04:47] me by the utility commission. Uh, and they just wanted uh authorization for me

[1:04:54] and the utility director to be able to execute certain documents for A and RC

[1:05:01] commission. uh different things. That's all there is to that. There's something

[1:05:07] actually Malcolm brought to me. So, any questions?

[1:05:11] » And Malcolm, I don't think he's here.

[1:05:17] » Okay. All right. No questions. Council >> City of San Arkansas resolution 2026-27

[1:05:25] resolution designated to authorize the mayor and manager of the utility system

[1:05:29] of the city of Son Arkansas to execute documents in connection with funding

[1:05:34] administrated by the Arkansas Natural Resources Commission.

[1:05:38] » I'm going to make motion to adopt resolution 2026-27.

[1:05:46] Second >> Cody and coinated.

[1:05:52] » Yes. >> Roll call, sir.

[1:05:53] » Thompson. >> Yes.

[1:05:55] » Calgary. >> Yes.

[1:05:56] » Wendy Henson. >> Yes.

[1:05:58] » Reed. >> Yes. [laughter]

[1:06:00] » Yes. >> And Miles.

[1:06:02] » Yes. >> Takes five.

[1:06:04] » Next is resolution 2026-28. Uh this is adopted the center to

[1:06:10] downtown master plan which includes a land use plan, master street plan and

[1:06:14] master trails plan. There was a public hearing at the last planning commission

[1:06:20] meeting on September 1st. There was uh a couple comments we received after that.

[1:06:27] One was an email I sent you uh they were just concerned with maintaining green

[1:06:31] space. I sent to all of you. The other one was one I received today which I

[1:06:36] thought was a Bentonville resident but looked like they lived at Bentonville

[1:06:38] one time but they had some concerns too comparing it to the Bentonville square.

[1:06:43] And then also uh had a resident reach out to me uh uh on Allen Road Maggie.

[1:06:50] » Yeah, she did speak in the public comment section. She just had some

[1:06:53] concerns. Uh her [clears throat] main concern with me was are they going to

[1:06:57] just come in and put this trail in? I told her, "No, if there's all the land

[1:07:02] and then they developed it, uh, then that they would look at it at that time,

[1:07:06] but they're not just gonna come in and put a trail in there." That that was her

[1:07:09] main concern with it. I I told her I would acknowledge that here tonight when

[1:07:13] she called me or talked to me yesterday. So,

[1:07:16] » add to that, Bill. >> Yes, of course. She did contact me also.

[1:07:20] Um, her concerns were, as you said, if um the trail being drawn there, she

[1:07:25] feels like that's a a given that that trail is going to be built there. I

[1:07:30] tried to alleviate her fears that it would be if she ever transferred that

[1:07:33] land to somebody else. But she also has some concerns. She has some ideas about

[1:07:38] developing that land herself. And she's in fear that if she wants to reszone her

[1:07:43] land and do something different, he would then be

[1:07:48] required to build that trail. Um I I told her that this is just the plan for

[1:07:54] the future. But I think if if we look at and I I don't think we can remove that

[1:08:00] from the plan, but extension code and the acquisition of this property we just

[1:08:06] received, I think there's some more sensible ways to make that connection

[1:08:09] without necessarily crossing her property and some of the other

[1:08:14] properties along there that would have to beed.

[1:08:18] But anyway, that's neither here nor there. That's down the road. But I I

[1:08:23] told her that I would also voice those concerns that she had if she opts to to

[1:08:29] reszone and develop her own land in a different format because it's

[1:08:32] agricultural now. That would be forced to to bifurcate her property and put a

[1:08:40] trail and that's not what she would like to see. So

[1:08:43] » I I did connect her with with Juliet last week as well. Um, and y'all talked

[1:08:48] at LinkedIn, so I don't know if there's just fear in general. Um,

[1:08:53] » because I don't I mean, I think you made it pretty clear that that's not

[1:08:57] » a possibility because we talked about an ADU as well. Um, and because she talked

[1:09:03] about possibly having her kids on the property and then I think you

[1:09:09] addressed that that if you have an ADU then you wouldn't have to worry about

[1:09:12] the additional zoning because of the state law. So, I think we can

[1:09:19] she's good. I don't know what she's >> Yeah, I just wanted to bring that up and

[1:09:22] then acknowledge the emails that we did receive. And I think TJ wanted to say

[1:09:26] just a couple words before. Oh, you don't want to say a couple words. He's

[1:09:29] here and so and they're all here. >> You have any additional questions? They

[1:09:35] are here. So, and then you heard public comment from uh one of the participants

[1:09:41] in there too. Has anybody got any questions?

[1:09:45] I did watch the whole thing though there.

[1:09:47] » Yes. >> I think I saw you on there when I

[1:09:50] » I was on there. >> Good. And it's still out there if

[1:09:53] anybody wants to watch it. It's the presentation's on YouTube.

[1:09:56] » I'd say thank you for the work that was put in and thank you to

[1:10:00] » the land owners are willing to partner with the city to help us move forward.

[1:10:04] That's it's amazing. It's a huge investment of your property, your

[1:10:08] legacy. So, all right. Nice. >> All right. Any more questions?

[1:10:15] Council >> City of Center resolution number 2026-28

[1:10:21] a resolution adopting the Center downtown master plan including land use

[1:10:25] plan, master street plan and master trails plan for downtown for the

[1:10:28] downtown area pursuant to Arkansas code annotated sections 1456414

[1:10:34] and 1456422.

[1:10:37] I'm going to make a motion to adopt resolution 2026-28.

[1:10:43] » We have a motion. We have a second. >> Second.

[1:10:47] » Cliff or Wendy? I heard them both. >> Take your pick.

[1:10:51] » I heard Cliff first, but >> I like ladies first. I'm taking Wendy.

[1:10:55] » Taking Wendy. All right. Well, when you're done taking it, go ahead and do

[1:10:58] the roll call, sir. >> Cliff Thompson.

[1:11:01] » Yes. >> Justin Calgary.

[1:11:03] » Yes. >> Wendy Henson?

[1:11:04] » Yes. >> Jesse Reid?

[1:11:05] » Yes. >> Joshua Hagen? Yes.

[1:11:07] » And Cody Miles. >> Yes.

[1:11:09] » Lorraine, you can breathe now. >> And Juliet.

[1:11:13] » Yes. And Juliet, thank you so much for getting this updated in such a short

[1:11:16] time. Appreciate that. >> And just for just for record, this this

[1:11:20] update Juliet tells me will also be on our website soon. She updated it. So

[1:11:25] » she says there now. So, and it's in your Dropbox, the most updated one.

[1:11:30] » All right. Next is resolution 2026-29. Uh, this is purchasing a truck, correct?

[1:11:38] » Josh, where you at? Tell me what I'm buying.

[1:11:43] » I think we're buying a tandem axle truck with a snow and ice equipment

[1:11:47] basically. I think we actually that was this last year.

[1:11:51] » Yeah, this is a uh brake liner. Only we could find. It's a

[1:11:57] dump truck, 10-wheeler, plow ready. We budgeted for it last year, ordered it

[1:12:03] last year and we're still waiting. Truck sits there sitting there. Everything's

[1:12:07] there and ready to go. They're just waiting on the bed to be built. Uh they

[1:12:10] were doing it along with OD do so. So they're trying to build them at the same

[1:12:13] time into our fleet because we're getting

[1:12:17] truck for multi-purpose.

[1:12:21] » And this this book about street fund, this money was budgeted in last year's

[1:12:26] bud or this year's budget. So, the funds are there. Any questions?

[1:12:32] » And we did fix the document that you asked. I sent it to you.

[1:12:35] » Okay. >> All right.

[1:12:39] Or go ahead. Resolution number 2026-29, a resolution authorizing the city of

[1:12:45] Center, Arkansas to purchase a tandem axle truck with snow and ice equipment

[1:12:50] from Industrial Truck Equipment and Wland Incorporated of Oklahoma City,

[1:12:54] Oklahoma through the Source Cooperative Purchasing Agreement contract number

[1:12:58] 06222 VCM

[1:13:02] authorized an expenditure not to exceed $241,000

[1:13:07] confirming the purchase uh is a budgeted item and for other purposes.

[1:13:12] » Someone would like to make a motion to adopt resolution 2026-9.

[1:13:17] » So moved. >> We have a motion. We have a second.

[1:13:19] » Second. >> Second by Cliff. Roll call.

[1:13:22] » Thompson. >> Yes.

[1:13:24] » Calgary. >> Yes.

[1:13:25] » Simpson. >> Yes.

[1:13:26] » Josie Reed. >> Yes.

[1:13:27] » Joshua Hagen. >> Yes.

[1:13:29] » Yes. >> All right. This last resolution is

[1:13:32] resolution 2026-30. I'll have Alan up here. Uh but basically

[1:13:38] what this is is we are now ready to start executing some easements on

[1:13:43] greenhouse road. Uh we we've have them now we have to start paying for them.

[1:13:48] » However, I have a $35,000 spending limit by ordinance.

[1:13:52] » Probably won't get too far down greenhouse won't get me far. Some of

[1:13:55] these are over 35,000 and actually there's 41 different properties. Some

[1:14:00] are pretty low. Uh by now the easements we get 80% of it back. So,

[1:14:05] [clears throat] we'll we'll be out 20% of the cost of this because we have a

[1:14:08] grant for the other 80%. Is Alan, you want to add anything?

[1:14:12] » Uh, we've had appraisals done and off of these and talking to all the residents

[1:14:18] at least a little bit. We have a probably 85% of the ones we're looking

[1:14:21] at are done and approved. Homeowners signed them. We haven't sent anything

[1:14:25] out yet because we were waiting to get to finalized plans. Um they're waiting

[1:14:30] on Black Hills Energy and Aerrol Electric Line realignments, but this

[1:14:34] point um we have an agreement with Bentonville proceed with cost for the

[1:14:39] construction going through everything that we want to go ahead and start

[1:14:42] paying some of these and acquiring the land now. It's not delayed to get those

[1:14:46] out. And like you said, this is a grant project. So we'll send out the full cost

[1:14:51] our fund and then we'll request 80%. We'll get that back from ART.

[1:14:57] And also you will see all the easements that we get right away because we have

[1:15:02] to accept them. So you will get to see those and put the blessing on them

[1:15:09] all the cost. So but I was just covered more for my spending authority.

[1:15:14] Any more questions? >> We have any idea what it's going to

[1:15:18] cost? >> He can tell you. Yeah. Is that number?

[1:15:23] Um >> a million dollars and then we'll get

[1:15:25] 800,000 back.

[1:15:31] Thank you. >> More. That's a good question.

[1:15:36] » Hey, councelor. >> Resolution number 2026-30,

[1:15:40] a resolution authorizing the mayor of the city of Senates in Arkansas to

[1:15:45] purchase right ofway and easements for the greenhouse road project authorized

[1:15:50] expenditures in excess of the mayor's $35,000 spending authority and for other

[1:15:55] purposes. Someone would like to make a motion to adopt resolution 2026-30.

[1:16:01] » We have a motion by Wendy. We have a second.

[1:16:04] » Second. >> Second by Josie.

[1:16:06] » Roll call, sir. >> Cody Miles,

[1:16:09] » yes. >> Joshua Hagen,

[1:16:11] » yes. >> Josie Reed,

[1:16:13] » yes. >> Wendy Henson,

[1:16:14] » yes. >> Mr. Calgary, yes. And Cliff Thompson,

[1:16:17] » yes. >> All right, that takes care of those.

[1:16:21] Next is approve or adopting or confirming the adopted bylaws by the

[1:16:27] planning commission which say approved on 818 and 26. Uh the basic changes to

[1:16:32] this it's just lining up with the code we just passed with the require one of

[1:16:37] these to match the code. So that that's basically all it is. It just lines up

[1:16:41] with that. Any questions? Someone would like to make a motion to

[1:16:47] uh approve the bylaws as presented by the planning commission.

[1:16:54] » We have a motion. Second, >> second by Wendy.

[1:16:57] » All in favor? >> Any opposed? All right. Next is a change

[1:17:02] order. Uh this is a cover we put in over on uh

[1:17:07] » Perry Drive and uh we had a What caused the change order, Alan? Since you're

[1:17:12] already walking up this way, tell us what caused it. I'll say if I need to

[1:17:15] talk. >> Yeah, go ahead and talk. It's $6,100. I

[1:17:18] I know that. >> Um what it was when we started putting

[1:17:21] the uh box in, there is a house lead with a sanitary sewer and a sanitary

[1:17:25] main in the area. We were doing mortar. So we had to extend the concrete bottom

[1:17:31] of the the uh ditch line to cover that line. Uh was originally proposed to stop

[1:17:37] before the sanitary sewer. And with that, we talked with the sewer

[1:17:42] department. Not sure we had the cover. pushed it way past to protect that sewer

[1:17:46] line. So in case there's any kind of erosion in the future, that sewer line's

[1:17:48] protected as well as to protect the end of their building. So

[1:17:57] » this up to Cass Park, is that right? I've been seeing it. Yeah. See it kind

[1:18:01] of >> questions.

[1:18:05] Someone like make a motion to approve the Jack Perry Covert Replacement Ch

[1:18:10] number two. >> I move.

[1:18:12] » We have a motion. Do we have a second? >> Second.

[1:18:15] » Second. All in favor? >> I.

[1:18:18] » Anyone opposed? All right. Next, I'm going to bring Shannon up real quick.

[1:18:22] Uh, discuss a policy. And we, just for the record, we've had no no issues with

[1:18:26] this at all. We just She'll tell you why we did this, though. she has it.

[1:18:32] You will let us know.

[1:18:36] » Uh so the reason we're doing this is that um I was at the Arkansas Government

[1:18:40] Finance Officers Association meeting and they're saying that every city should

[1:18:45] have a fraud, waste, and abuse prevention policy in place just because

[1:18:49] of certain things that have happened in many cities including ours. So what the

[1:18:54] purpose of this is just to protect um our public resources by preventing,

[1:18:58] detecting, addressing fraud, waste, abuse, theft and unethical or illegal

[1:19:03] activities within the city. Um it applies to all elected officials,

[1:19:08] employees, volunteers, contractors, consultants, and anyone conducting

[1:19:11] business on behalf of the city. Um basically in it, it gives a

[1:19:16] definition of what fraud, waste, and abuse is. It lets you know the

[1:19:20] responsibility as employees on how to conduct yourself as a city employee. Um

[1:19:26] how to be honest and ethical. Also it talks about how um department directors

[1:19:32] how they can maintain their own internal controls and with the finance department

[1:19:37] how I can maintain financial controls such as bank reconciliations

[1:19:42] um review periodic reviews also having legislative audit um and then it also

[1:19:48] gives instructions on how to report if you suspect there's any fraud going on

[1:19:52] in any of your departments it tells you who to contact your immediate supervisor

[1:19:57] department director finance director, mayor, city attorney. Um, it also lets

[1:20:01] you know that there is predict uh protection against retaliation

[1:20:06] and it reviews with you how the investigation that will be ongoing and

[1:20:10] any corrective actions that are needed which can be disciplinary actions up to

[1:20:15] including termination, restitution, civil action, criminal prosecution or

[1:20:20] referral to state and federal authorities. Um and then also it talks

[1:20:25] about internal controls such as in my department we have segregation of

[1:20:29] duties. You don't want too many people doing the same job. Um approval

[1:20:34] hierarchies which we do have bank reconciliations, inventory controls and

[1:20:39] u annual financial audits. And then it just go it just says that um this will

[1:20:45] be reviewed every year and changes will be made and brought to you guys

[1:20:48] accordingly. >> Very good. Do you guys have any

[1:20:52] questions in regards to this? >> I have a question for you.

[1:20:55] » Sure. >> After this,

[1:20:58] » we can finish this, but I have a question before you leave.

[1:21:01] » I'm just curious speaking to Andrew Sa's concerns. I think we probably have some

[1:21:06] checks and balances in place regarding billing and paying.

[1:21:10] » Can you speak to that a little bit so we understand that current process? as far

[1:21:14] as like a >> far as if the city attorney provides

[1:21:18] bills, they're not just received by the mayor and paid, right? There's checks

[1:21:22] and balances. >> Checks and balances. We do review them.

[1:21:25] Um, as far as his goes, he does give he does explain exactly what he's doing,

[1:21:31] how much time is spent, how it's charged out, things like that. It is reviewed by

[1:21:35] the mayor, by myself. It's sent to payables for payments. If there's

[1:21:39] anything that doesn't look right, we question things. All of the bills that

[1:21:43] we pay are reviewed by the mayor, by myself, by department heads, and signed

[1:21:48] off. >> I just wanted to make that clear because

[1:21:51] » and everything gets seen by >> exception was it was one elected

[1:21:53] official sending a bill to another elected official that was just being

[1:21:56] paid. >> A lot of steps before it's actually

[1:21:59] paid. >> Thank you.

[1:22:00] » And everything is also reviewed by legislative audit and anything that is

[1:22:05] as they feel out of the ordinary is brought to our attention. So, so far it

[1:22:09] has not been >> Thank you.

[1:22:12] » Any more questions on this policy for >> um the protection against retaliation? I

[1:22:17] understand the heart behind that and I agree behind it. The one thing that I'm

[1:22:22] looking at though is this is a big deal. I mean if you you make an accusation

[1:22:26] that somebody is stealing basically uh the person who has been accused

[1:22:34] here the way this looks as though I don't know I feel like there should be

[1:22:39] some kind of and perhaps there's not but some kind of protection for that person

[1:22:43] as well because that is if it's proven false I mean it's hard to gain that

[1:22:48] integrity back among some people so perhaps there needs to be something

[1:22:52] included to protect the accused as well until proven.

[1:22:58] » We can add something for that.

[1:23:02] » We want to wait. >> Does that need to be

[1:23:04] » You want to table it and then bring it back next month?

[1:23:06] » We can do that. >> We'll bring it back next month.

[1:23:10] » Speak with HR in regards to it. >> Jos's here to

[1:23:17] » Right. He's asking a question. She's on the Zoom. I'm sorry.

[1:23:20] » Well, okay. I was looking for it. She's on Zoom. I don't know if she What

[1:23:25] was the question? Because I was looking. >> So the question from Josh was, you know,

[1:23:30] the retaliatory and that topic in general, the sensitivity behind it. Is

[1:23:34] there if we wanted to update some wording in that, do we just need to

[1:23:37] bring that back next month versus passing it?

[1:23:41] » You could I mean I quite frankly I think you could prove it today and then you

[1:23:45] could, you know, amend it next month or you could wait till next month. You

[1:23:49] know, I I kind of like the fact that we we're getting something in in place

[1:23:53] today. I don't have any >> an update

[1:23:57] » with just just adding later.

[1:24:02] » You want you want to go ahead and approve it and have her bring back

[1:24:05] » amendment. Yeah. >> Is that with council or

[1:24:08] » I mean Josh is that are you making a motion on that or you

[1:24:11] » I mean I would I brand new. We've never had it done. Why not?

[1:24:16] So in it, it does say knowingly making false allegations result in disciplinary

[1:24:20] action. >> Yeah. Well, the person that makes the

[1:24:22] accusation is not knowingly being

[1:24:28] blaming the person's character. They're they're thinking that they did involve

[1:24:33] in stealing, you know, whatever. Then it comes out that it was actually false.

[1:24:37] Well, if somebody says that about Joe over here and his five co-workers all

[1:24:42] know that was out there and they all believe it, but then it's proven false.

[1:24:47] The person who made the accusation wasn't intending to do Joe any harm, but

[1:24:51] yet in the end, Joe was harmed. So perhaps there's some something there

[1:24:54] where it's kept >> it's kept I don't I don't call it under

[1:24:58] wraps, but whatever needs to be happening confidential until it, you

[1:25:02] know, until it's proven and at that point it is what it is. But that way Joe

[1:25:08] does not have to deal with the repercussion of his co-workers even

[1:25:12] during the process because that can be a that can be an emotional

[1:25:17] » pain as well. >> I'll just join [clears throat]

[1:25:20] » on that Josh. So um thinking through thinking through that

[1:25:26] whole process you know if if we're working together and I think well that's

[1:25:30] kind of weird. Why did Josh do that? If there's repercussions, if I'm wrong,

[1:25:36] that's going to prevent me from >> Well, I say that's a repution there. But

[1:25:41] I mean, I think you have to be careful about, you know, if the investigation

[1:25:44] happens and it's proven that you weren't doing anything wrong, then should I be

[1:25:48] punished because from what I saw it, I was perceiving that as wrong. So, I

[1:25:53] think you can you can kind of >> You're hearing me wrong.

[1:25:56] » I'm I'm understanding what >> Yeah, you're hearing me wrong. I'm I'm

[1:25:58] not saying that there something goes back on that person. I'm saying the

[1:26:01] accused needs protection as well. >> So I would think that there would be an

[1:26:05] SOP for that. >> Well, the accused the the accused

[1:26:08] wouldn't be publicized. I mean it should be kept confidential.

[1:26:12] » H3 has the reporting structure of who would be notified or involved

[1:26:18] » that immediate supervisor department director

[1:26:21] finance director mayor. >> Okay. Then it just needs to be

[1:26:24] » Yeah. I mean >> confidential

[1:26:26] » it's being shared with other other employees then we've got bigger issues.

[1:26:31] » It does say reports may be made confidentially to the extent followed by

[1:26:35] law. >> I was right above it and I missed that

[1:26:38] and that happens. So >> you're good the way it is.

[1:26:41] » Why? Hey, I had a question >> and it gets fleshed out. I would much

[1:26:45] rather ask my question and then fleshed out. So yeah,

[1:26:47] » you're good the way it's written then.

[1:26:51] » Josh, I'm I'm ready. I'll just No, no, I just want to make

[1:26:55] sure you're good. Sorry. >> Yeah. I mean, yeah, as long as it's kept

[1:26:59] confidential and it says that in there, that just some protection to the per to

[1:27:03] the accused. >> Yes.

[1:27:08] » Good job, Shan. >> Thanks.

[1:27:09] » Thank you. >> You do want to move forward with them.

[1:27:12] » Somebody make a motion to adopt the city fraud, waste, and abuse prevention

[1:27:16] policy. So, move to. >> We have a motion by mo by Wendy. We have

[1:27:20] a second. Second. I'm gonna let you pick it. I heard Cliff

[1:27:24] and I heard Cliff. >> I give it to J. You know who?

[1:27:28] » Make up your mind. You got it though for the minutes, right?

[1:27:32] » All in favor? Anyone?

[1:27:38] » Anything? Not approved. Okay. All right. Next is a proposal for Little Free

[1:27:45] Library at Cornerwood Park. >> I think uh Yeah, here she comes. She has

[1:27:51] » she met with Josh. Josh was okay with it,

[1:27:54] » but my ordinance that we approved uh they now have to be approved by the city

[1:27:59] council. So anyway, go ahead and introduce yourself

[1:28:02] and tell us what you want to do. >> Hi, I'm Ally Strader and I'm at 14:30

[1:28:07] Ocean Drive. Um I would like to put a little free library at Cornerwoods Park.

[1:28:13] Um, it's right off of a little trail that we already have and we have a lot

[1:28:18] of kids that are hanging out at that park and there's actually a spot there

[1:28:21] from where the little free pantry was that we could install it. So, we would

[1:28:24] like to have a community service initiative. I'm representing myself and

[1:28:28] a friend of mine. She's not able to come tonight, but we would like to steward

[1:28:32] the Little Free Library, which is through the national nonprofit. So, all

[1:28:37] of the resources, tools, and everything for stewardship would fall on us. It

[1:28:41] would not require anything from the city. And we're go wanting to promote

[1:28:46] early literacy, access to books, um for maybe kids that can't get to the library

[1:28:50] or things like that. Whenever I spoke with Josh, one of the things that came

[1:28:54] up was that there were some issues with the pantry and that it had to be

[1:28:58] removed. And so we are going to take on the burden of checking on the little

[1:29:02] free life twice a week. Um if one of us is unavailable, we will have a proxy

[1:29:07] come in and check on it for us. not only ensuring that there's no vandalism, but

[1:29:11] making sure that the content in the library is appropriate for children,

[1:29:16] that nothing has been added. We will make sure that there is contact

[1:29:19] information on the library itself so that if a parent does see something,

[1:29:23] they can report it to us. I live pretty much across the street, so I would be

[1:29:27] able to walk over and handle it pretty immediately. Um and then also the little

[1:29:32] free library has charter numbers that they would be able to also make sure

[1:29:37] that the national organization is aware library as well. So the checks and

[1:29:42] balances would not fall on us as just two individuals. Um, also making sure

[1:29:47] that if there is anything that's done, you

[1:29:51] know, if there are books that are damaged and or if you know, something

[1:29:54] happens that affects the park, we would take the responsibility to come by and

[1:29:58] make sure that that gets cleaned up. The only thing that we would need from the

[1:30:03] city is just making sure that we can install it. Um I personally am not very

[1:30:08] handy but we can make sure that it is created to fit those existing ground

[1:30:13] screws and so it doesn't require any additional you know resources or um any

[1:30:19] materials or anything like that. It should be able to go in in the existing

[1:30:22] space.

[1:30:26] » Okay. Anybody got any questions?

[1:30:31] » Josh, you're good too, right? Yeah. I know you met with her.

[1:30:36] » Good job. Thank you. >> Somebody make motion to approve this

[1:30:38] little free library at Cornerwoods Park. >> Let me Bonnie be just be advocate for a

[1:30:44] second. Um >> do that. [laughter]

[1:30:49] » Well, no. I mean, I I I just I I think if if we're going to approve it, we just

[1:30:54] perhaps do some sort of contractual agreement that way. if for some reason

[1:31:00] you relocate or something, god forbid, happens to you or whatnot, that that we

[1:31:05] we have the means to to be able to to to deal with it if if necessary. So that if

[1:31:10] if it continues be vandalized, it's not being taken care of, the city has a a a

[1:31:15] right and a any a means to remove it or or whatnot. I don't object. I think it's

[1:31:20] a great idea. I just need to uh to cover the municipality.

[1:31:25] » Yes. So we actually already have those contingencies. So if something were to

[1:31:29] happen to me, there is an additional person who her name is in the proposal.

[1:31:33] She's also a Citton resident named Stacy Lee. She is the person that would come

[1:31:37] in. And then also if I were to relocate, I have the ability to transfer that

[1:31:42] charter to somewhere else because it's required by Little Free uh libraries

[1:31:46] nonprofit organization that all Little Free Libraries that are official have a

[1:31:52] dedic dedicated steward within a certain radius. So if I relocate, I have to let

[1:31:57] them know that I've relocated and either pull the library or transfer the charter

[1:32:01] to someone. >> They do you think they may have some

[1:32:03] sort of model agreement then that potentially we can utilize?

[1:32:06] » They might um they do have an entire like an entire portal just for library

[1:32:10] charters. So, I would have to look into that a little bit more, but

[1:32:14] » because my position would be I'm I'm fine with the council uh uh

[1:32:19] voting in in the positive for this, but I think it'd be contentioned on just

[1:32:23] some sort of agreement that way we have something uh just in case

[1:32:29] worst case scenario business. Sorry. >> No, that's I mean those are things that

[1:32:33] need to be considered. You know, I I get the push back because Josh told me a

[1:32:38] little bit what happened with the pantry, and I definitely don't want to

[1:32:40] create one of those situations. So, anything considered, I'm more than open

[1:32:45] to suggestions on that.

[1:32:49] » Let me rephrase that. Would somebody make motion to approve the Little Free

[1:32:54] Library with an agreement uh either drawn up by

[1:32:58] Brian or them, and we can review it before you install it?

[1:33:03] » I I think that would be fine. I would ask you check and see if they've got

[1:33:06] something because they may have been there done that and we can use that as a

[1:33:10] model. If not, if you draft with me drafting something just

[1:33:14] » we'll get something short just contact one of the

[1:33:18] » Okay, Justin made the motion. >> Second.

[1:33:22] » Second by here Cody. >> Okay, Cody Ms. All in favor.

[1:33:26] » Any opposed? >> All right. Thank you.

[1:33:29] » Pretty cool. >> Thank you so much.

[1:33:31] » [clears throat] >> is Chief Harper. I see you back there.

[1:33:42] » So, Cody has wrote you me a a memo about a possible rank structure. So, he's

[1:33:49] going to explain that. Then he has some other business he wants to bring up too

[1:33:51] after this. >> The request doesn't change our headcount

[1:33:55] and it doesn't cost any money for the city.

[1:33:58] » I'll say reduce by 52,000. I was wondering if you

[1:34:01] » So when I looked at the overall our current staffing and our current wages,

[1:34:04] I'm actually going to be under $52,000 under

[1:34:07] » Oh, got it. Got it. Got it. >> For 2026.

[1:34:10] » Okay. >> Okay.

[1:34:10] » So, even with this change that figured into there, I'm still going to be under

[1:34:14] by 52,000. >> Got it.

[1:34:17] » Um the request is just to change our um our rank structure a little bit within

[1:34:20] the department. Uh for a long time, we've always ran really low on our

[1:34:24] leadership. Uh just to kind of build up our patrol numbers. We got our patrol

[1:34:29] numbers built up. Now we're back filling into our leadership to make sure that

[1:34:32] we're just our headcount per leader is accurate. The task for that that leader

[1:34:37] is also at a level which is um you know everyday task can can be done.

[1:34:46] » Your ask is this change a one position to a lieutenant?

[1:34:49] » Correct. >> Okay.

[1:34:50] » So are are you currently a full staff or is that how we're drawing the 52,000

[1:34:55] because we have an opening? >> No. So, I mean, we're we're not

[1:34:58] currently at full staff. I have reopenings, but those openings are

[1:35:01] always kind of on a on a rolling basis, just like with anybody else.

[1:35:05] » Is there is there immediate need or is it something that

[1:35:09] could wait till 27 where it could be budgeted for 27 so that if you're full

[1:35:15] staff, there will be an additional impact. Right.

[1:35:18] » The need is here now. I mean, if I have the finances to do it, I would I would

[1:35:22] recommend doing it now.

[1:35:29] question. >> I'm just curious about, you know, if

[1:35:31] we're using I'm not trying to be a pain, but if

[1:35:36] we're using funds that are allocated for a position that we currently have that

[1:35:40] we're not feeling. So that 52,000 what that can what that takes into

[1:35:44] consideration is if I was at fully staff that $52,000 is the people who are no

[1:35:50] longer here what the current salaries are and the current headcount overall.

[1:35:55] » So that's where my $52,000 in savings comes from.

[1:35:59] » You understand that? But you still have a position there that's not filled,

[1:36:02] right? That's what I did is I took those numbers and for the rest of the year I

[1:36:08] have put that amount in there for every one of those replacements for those

[1:36:11] patrol officers to give me an overall number for the whole year if I was fully

[1:36:16] staffed today. So how many positions do you have to be fully staffed?

[1:36:22] » You have three openings right now. >> Correct.

[1:36:24] » You're drawing from that money. So that's actually that's budgeted, right?

[1:36:28] So if you if we make this change and then you go out and you fill those three

[1:36:32] positions, then we've actually had an increase. You see what I'm saying? You

[1:36:35] have >> you're saying but like the overall

[1:36:37] dollar here for this is $2,000 in the whole remainder of the year. I'm talking

[1:36:43] about for the like you're talking like it's a dollar more for the promotion

[1:36:47] itself with all of the attached benefits and all of those things. You're probably

[1:36:51] talking under $3,000 for accelerated benefits for that promotion. I just want

[1:36:57] I I'm wanting to be really cautious about what we do now that's going to

[1:37:00] impact 27 because I think >> I think we're going to have some

[1:37:04] challenges ahead of us and I wouldn't be asking if I hadn't ran everything

[1:37:08] because this is something that's very doable

[1:37:11] itself is very small in the whole scheme of things. Is this the biggest request

[1:37:16] is the internal rank structure change

[1:37:21] » question. Any other questions?

[1:37:26] I may make a motion to approve the rank structure as proposed by Chief Harper.

[1:37:31] » So moved. >> Can we have a second?

[1:37:33] » Second. >> All in favor?

[1:37:35] » Any oppose? >> All right. Then chief had something

[1:37:39] else. He he brought to me. I told him we should have discussion with So he's

[1:37:43] going to bring up. >> Yes. Uh so this is just to start a

[1:37:46] conversation um with with our department. So, one of our our well, not

[1:37:52] one of the largest requests for uh police activity or in the city is for

[1:37:57] requests for traffic, go out monitoring traffic and neighborhoods um on the

[1:38:03] state highways and parks. I mean, that's the number one request activity is

[1:38:07] traffic enforcement. Uh so what we're doing um is we're actually going to be

[1:38:11] taking a block of officers and rearranging some schedules and things in

[1:38:15] there and making a dedicated traffic unit to where they're only going to be

[1:38:19] working traffic and accidents. Uh we're also going to be sending these

[1:38:23] individuals through accident reconstruction um due to the unfortunate

[1:38:27] circumstances of our accidents are getting more severe than what they have

[1:38:32] been over the course of years. Um, so we need to make sure that we have that

[1:38:35] staff to do reconstruction. Um, the staff that will be on.

[1:38:42] I also have uh some specialized individuals in there who are cycle

[1:38:47] certified to be able to operate motorcycles. I even have one individual

[1:38:51] who would be working with this group as well who is a certified instructor who

[1:38:55] can actually teach the actual class and do all the training to certify officers

[1:39:00] to be all. Um, so what we would like to do is we

[1:39:04] would like to look at purchasing two motorcycles to go into this unit for our

[1:39:09] traffic division. Um, overall cost for the motorcycles themselves, um, this

[1:39:15] would be a full package deal from Harley-Davidson

[1:39:20] back here is just under 32,000.

[1:39:26] Um, 31,000 and some change on that. Um that is a 2026 pricing that would

[1:39:33] include uh the motorcycle all the upfitting. The only thing that we would

[1:39:36] have to do is a couple of um communication things for the officer to

[1:39:40] have a button to operate a radio uh helmets and some striping and things for

[1:39:46] um those units. Um we what we'd like to do is start exploring that option um to

[1:39:52] see what we could if it's something in which council would support so we can

[1:39:56] actually look at it. There are various options that we could

[1:39:59] do as far as leasing the motorcycles as well. Uh would not be with through

[1:40:03] Enterprise, but there is a leasing option through Harley like Davidson.

[1:40:08] » I expect one through Enterprise. That would have been interesting.

[1:40:11] » They don't they don't they just don't do that. Um the example, the uh the lease

[1:40:16] cost would be $745 a month and that would be at a four-year lease with a

[1:40:21] $1,000 residual at the end of that making it very uh costefficient um for

[1:40:27] budgeting and so forth. Um this is also something in which um looking at the

[1:40:32] budget for uh 2026 it would be something in which I could absorb within my uh

[1:40:38] 2026 budget if we decided to go that direction or the other two would be

[1:40:42] looking at using some of our impact fees uh for stuff like this. Our impact fees

[1:40:46] as far as I understand it can be used for vehicles and new buildings and

[1:40:50] things like that. So wanted to open up that discussion uh with you all so see

[1:40:56] which which direction um either continue researching it, bring a plan for next

[1:41:00] council meeting, kind of go from there or um if it's something that we kind of

[1:41:06] the other direction on. >> What's the benefit of motorcycles versus

[1:41:12] » the biggest benefit is is going to the scenes. um you have low lower visibility

[1:41:17] as far as being out and about, but they're more maneuverable to getting

[1:41:20] into accidents, getting into places in which you're trying to get to those

[1:41:23] places. And >> would it reduce our current vehicle

[1:41:26] fleet heading for? >> No. What it would do is it would

[1:41:29] actually be like kind of a pool. I mean, we don't have enough resources to be

[1:41:33] issuing everybody, but it' be a poolled resource.

[1:41:37] » It's easy to hide though in hight traffic, you know, areas. I know I used

[1:41:41] to work in law and they high motorcycles. We had people trying to

[1:41:44] turn left on to what's I [clears throat] don't know what the name of that street

[1:41:48] what's that main street there 264 anyway >> yeah they they'd hide you could even see

[1:41:52] them and people turn left motorcycle get them right away [laughter]

[1:41:58] » another motorcycle back then

[1:42:00] » what is your what is your position on using impact fees versus leasing

[1:42:06] as far as like have you looked at the benefits of one versus the other

[1:42:13] » I I mean, if we have the money, I can I can show you all that I have the money

[1:42:16] to be able to utilize it. I don't see why we wouldn't go that route rather

[1:42:21] than leasing something. But that would be a decision for council.

[1:42:25] » We'd have to review the impact fees and I don't I'm not sure that that would

[1:42:29] qualify for an expansion or growth of the service if we're just putting the

[1:42:35] same people on a different vehicle. >> Shannon,

[1:42:38] » it's one of those things to where we haven't actually been utilizing any of

[1:42:41] that. So even like the vehicles that we're purchasing next year, they're

[1:42:45] actually additional vehicles because of the personnel and we've just been

[1:42:49] running short. >> I I would be open to exploring it, but I

[1:42:54] think this is something that back to my previous comment. I think this should be

[1:42:59] a a an ask on your category B for your 27 budget.

[1:43:04] » I'll just be honest. If we don't look at doing it in 26, this will not go into

[1:43:08] 27. I'm just I'm just going to be honest

[1:43:11] with you because as far as what we're working on the push

[1:43:16] current idea is to stay within our current numbers and try to provide

[1:43:19] raises and everything else. This would not be something in which I'd be even

[1:43:22] able to look at for 27 if we stay within those parameters.

[1:43:26] So I'm okay with having a little carryover from 26 if we can do that. And

[1:43:30] that's where, you know, that that would be my, you know, if I want to call an

[1:43:35] argument, that's where I would be presenting is if we go into 27, then

[1:43:38] allow me to have a budget surplus in 26 to put towards it.

[1:43:43] » We're only using the confinements of 26, then I I cannot do that for 27.

[1:43:48] » And that would be my next >> another concern that I have and and you

[1:43:52] know my background, so I understand the roadways are the most dangerous places

[1:43:57] that you guys encounter. >> Absolutely. Um, so you mentioned that

[1:44:01] motorcycles are lower visibility >> for being out and about. Yes.

[1:44:04] » That also creates a a bigger hazard too because they are harder to see. So we're

[1:44:10] we're we're increasing potential risk to officers and then they also lose that

[1:44:17] vehicle protection to be able to work in front of their vehicle if somebody's

[1:44:21] texting and comes off the roadway. And I'd rather have them hit a Tahoe than a

[1:44:25] motorcycle if it's a car between me and them. Um, so I think I have some

[1:44:30] concerns personally about it. Um, I would have to be before I would be in

[1:44:35] favor of adding motorcycles, I would I would have to be convinced.

[1:44:40] » What I what I can do is this was just a a starter for this. What I can do is I

[1:44:44] can actually have my staff who is 100% certified in this come and make a

[1:44:48] presentation if you prefer. >> I think it would be good to actually

[1:44:52] justify the need in my mind and maybe it's just me. I

[1:44:57] don't need any answer by Cody. >> I'm just trying to get this, you know,

[1:45:00] started now. We're going into the last quarter of the year and which is

[1:45:04] something we look at or need to avoid. You know, if

[1:45:10] we can get something firmed up toward the end of the year since we're going to

[1:45:15] depending on if it is a 26 or if I can, you know, earmark something out of 26 to

[1:45:19] be put out, you know, used for some of these hands in seven, that would be

[1:45:24] great. Can we hear if there's any additional

[1:45:27] training cost, insurance increases, stuff like that?

[1:45:31] » Insurance and things, I'd have to get with municipal on on that. Um, as far as

[1:45:35] training costs associated with it, there would be none because I currently have

[1:45:38] the staff to be able to >> vehicle the vehicle savings would be

[1:45:43] nice because maybe then you can >> more quickly add officers, but it does

[1:45:48] seem like you'd be weather inhibited, too. Like there's there will be days

[1:45:53] where you >> chips wrote every every day.

[1:45:55] » I don't say chips. That's what I >> California what I said.

[1:45:59] » Yeah. >> Chips.

[1:46:04] » We're talking about costs and stuff. What about like gas the difference

[1:46:08] between black hole versus uh vehicles? You have

[1:46:15] » savings. It seems like there would be a savings there.

[1:46:18] » There would be. Um, but I mean you're also talking trying to do gas mileage on

[1:46:23] a police vehicle is kind of a moot point.

[1:46:30] » I'm actually on the new vehicles we're looking at depending on if GM can fix

[1:46:34] the issue with the 53s or if they're going to come out with the 57. Um, we're

[1:46:38] looking actually going to some of the fours that have the the hybrid

[1:46:41] technology in them for next year. But it kind of depends on what happens with

[1:46:46] vehicles currently. But there would be um because you're not

[1:46:50] going to have something sitting there idling all the time. You're not going to

[1:46:53] have electronic usage and then those sort of things. Yes, there is a cost

[1:46:57] savings there. >> I was saying if you know that that might

[1:47:00] add that might help some of the >> talks. Fuel mileage alone is I mean

[1:47:06] going to be a fraction of what it is for you know a V8 engine. So definitely

[1:47:10] appreciate Cody, you know, he's hearing what the citizens are asking for,

[1:47:14] » trying to figure out a way to fit it into the budget that we'd have to get

[1:47:17] more officers on the road. >> If we didn't have the staff to be able

[1:47:21] to utilize this and we had an overwhelming cost for training and all

[1:47:24] these other things, it wouldn't even be an option.

[1:47:28] Our staff that we have who can utilize it and who have the training, you know,

[1:47:32] something we brought up to to be able to provide a service to the city. you bring

[1:47:36] a proposal to our next council meeting. >> What I can do is I can actually talk to

[1:47:41] the staff and have them come and provide all the detailed information on it

[1:47:45] because I mean I've got an expert on on on staff who can come and answer all

[1:47:49] those questions for you. We just wanted to open up the lines of communication on

[1:47:52] this right now. >> Explore it.

[1:47:55] » Well, I thinking outside. >> I think you actually might be listening.

[1:47:58] Probably a couple of your officers are on here. So,

[1:48:02] I I can say them. They are. You can't say it, but I can.

[1:48:05] » I think as our city continues to grow, we need to have conversations about

[1:48:09] things that can help us improve what we're currently doing. So, I appreciate

[1:48:13] you bringing that to us and I think it would be great to have a proposal.

[1:48:16] » If you got a PowerPoint or something, you want we can

[1:48:20] whatever you want to do. >> We'll get something maybe.

[1:48:22] » All right. Thank you. >> If you open up for any other business, I

[1:48:26] wanted to kind of I'm done with you. Yeah. We're done with

[1:48:29] » No, I didn't mean it like that, but we were done on that. Uh, I want to bring

[1:48:33] because Brian had a concern about these boxes. So, I was

[1:48:37] what we just approved. >> Oh, the Okay. Okay.

[1:48:40] » The ordinance that we just passed. >> Yes.

[1:48:42] » We already have a section in there. It's 12-24-60.

[1:48:47] And it says, "If a structure becomes unsafe, abandoned, or a public nuisance,

[1:48:51] the city may provide notice to the responsible party requiring correction

[1:48:55] within 14 days. Failure to comply may result in removal by the city. The city

[1:49:00] may immediately remove or secure any structure presenting an enem threat to

[1:49:04] public safety. Removal or securing of a structure pursuant to this section shall

[1:49:10] not create liability on the part of the city for damage to the structure or it's

[1:49:13] caught. >> Then then ultimately I I think and I

[1:49:16] just want you to know that >> it's been a while since I've reviewed

[1:49:18] it. But ultimately I I think my biggest concern is we we just need a contact

[1:49:22] person. >> No, that's fair.

[1:49:25] » Move in and out or whatnot. We just want to have some way. And I think that was

[1:49:28] the reason I was thinking of a just some sort of agreement.

[1:49:32] » Um, which I think I still would >> have some some of them writing.

[1:49:36] » They're complying with it. But that way >> Yeah. No, I just wanted you to truncate

[1:49:40] or whatnot because they're not an entity. It didn't sound like it sound

[1:49:43] like it was a couple folks that are working with with with that and we just

[1:49:48] » Yeah. I just wanted you to know we had it something already kind of covered.

[1:49:51] It's just All right. So, we have any other business?

[1:49:55] » Okay. Hey, the only thing I have then is coffee with the mayor is September 19th

[1:50:00] next. We do have senator day this Saturday.

[1:50:03] » Starting Friday night, right? >> Yeah. Starting Friday right here. Have a

[1:50:06] pageant in >> Saturday.

[1:50:08] » Yeah, Friday and Saturday. Want a pageant plus be a barbecue thing

[1:50:11] happening down there at Ace Hardware on Friday night

[1:50:13] » and then Saturday I've got all the events out there. Uh there is a chance

[1:50:18] of rain, but looks like it might be the afternoon. We're watching that. Our

[1:50:21] meteorology staff's watching that, making sure it's going to be good. But

[1:50:25] so far so good. Uh coffee with the mayor next the following Saturday on 19th over

[1:50:30] in the community room. Uh I'll let you know TJ's going to give us a couple

[1:50:34] dates on this work session for uh and I'll pass it out. We'll we'll see what

[1:50:38] we can work out. Also just want to get on your calendars early. Budget work

[1:50:41] session will be October 27th at 6 PM. That's the fourth Tuesday. I just want

[1:50:46] to give you plenty of heads up and we're going to do it over at the old city hall

[1:50:50] because we're going to be do voting in here. So we'll go over the old city

[1:50:53] hall. We still have the screens up and everything so we can still use them over

[1:50:56] there and uh we will have uh I'll I'll get something for everybody to eat too.

[1:51:01] So would that something >> I got a question I was trying to other

[1:51:05] business real quick. Uh community center something I was thinking is there any

[1:51:09] concerns Loren I know I think it's county the Lonesome Oak Gun Range is

[1:51:13] that going to be what is our code on that? You know I thought about

[1:51:18] that and I can hear it from where I'm at but you know I've seen where the

[1:51:21] community center is at. That's something we haven't ever really talked about.

[1:51:25] » There's that gun range right there on the back side of the property. And so I

[1:51:28] ju I just want to put that on radars. I don't think we've ever brought that up.

[1:51:31] » I think those are set up to shoot back towards the east.

[1:51:34] » They No, absolutely. But I mean just in general center I want to bring that up.

[1:51:40] Um >> yeah, so many years ago uh that actually

[1:51:43] went through county planning and there's appeals and all that, but they have some

[1:51:47] kind of conditional thing with the county that they can sure shoot between

[1:51:51] now. >> I'm more I'm more so I think as we build

[1:51:55] out the community on that back half of the property because the discussions on

[1:51:58] the outside, >> do we look at possibly fencing

[1:52:02] something that provide not just a safety barrier but something there on the back

[1:52:07] side of the property? Just just want to mention

[1:52:09] » a bunch of trees back there already. >> Huh?

[1:52:11] » There's already a bunch of trees back there. Like a whole bunch

[1:52:13] » a tree. But I mean >> it sound

[1:52:15] » just suggesting Justin to look at it because there's a gun flare.

[1:52:19] » So it's not going to do much to that. >> No, but I mean I just something about

[1:52:24] » you listen to last weekend it was >> season

[1:52:31] was knocking on his window. >> Uh that was one question. Other thing we

[1:52:36] asked on the water bill last month's meeting possibly to utilize some of the

[1:52:40] verbiage on the bill for our centerton uh

[1:52:44] » my center app >> my center app and things like that.

[1:52:46] Where are we at on that? >> You also asked for a QR code.

[1:52:49] » Yeah. >> I'll let the water commissioner

[1:52:52] » and I sent over some examples and I know that was actually a request from a

[1:52:56] citizen in that meeting. So trying to see what we're conversation

[1:53:00] with staff is that they're appreciating it and working with the folks you

[1:53:05] assemble the bill. >> So that's how it works.

[1:53:10] » I think before the end of the year you should be able to see that they're just

[1:53:13] getting the logistics worked out. >> So the understand last month though was

[1:53:17] we probably missed that bill. It shouldn't be hard to put on the next

[1:53:19] one. So I don't think there should be because we know there's a ton more

[1:53:22] characters on this one. It should be like the October bill

[1:53:27] assembly the update. So I have not spoken with Malcolm directly about it. I

[1:53:31] just know that it

[1:53:34] » and then the third one I had was chamber of commerce. Is there two Facebook pages

[1:53:39] out there Josie? >> No.

[1:53:43] » There's like a center area chamber. >> No, that's an old one that they don't

[1:53:46] have control. >> Like how do we get that pulled down?

[1:53:50] » That's chamber. We can >> there's a centeron area chamber of

[1:53:52] commerce and a centeron chamber of commerce and like I realize I have been

[1:53:57] following the wrong one for a year and a half and there's another one and so how

[1:54:03] do we >> who owns that page?

[1:54:06] » You should be able to see the >> that I don't see that on that.

[1:54:11] » I have no idea since 16. So

[1:54:15] » that's what I'm saying. No, no, it's it's since then. It's last year.

[1:54:18] » I don't think so. So, how do we get that pulled down

[1:54:22] » Facebook? I don't know.

[1:54:24] » We can't push for our own city. >> I I can send a request, but

[1:54:31] » I don't know. I don't have any control over Facebook. You send a request.

[1:54:35] » I did. >> I think somebody tried that already.

[1:54:37] » Try that. Yes. >> All right.

[1:54:40] » That's all address again. >> You try to do that.

[1:54:44] » We got a motion to adjourn by Wendy. [laughter]

[1:54:48] » All right. We got a second. >> Second. Anybody else want to go home?

[1:54:51] » All right. All in favor? >> Anyone opposed? I would be stopped

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Centerton City Council Meeting 9-8-26

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