[0:12] Welcome all. This is a public meeting as required by the Planning Act to afford

[0:16] any person an opportunity to make representation with respect to a

[0:19] proposed official plan amendment for 467 Sunset Drive in the municipality of

[0:24] Central Elgin. I welcome all those who are here in the gallery as well as those

[0:28] who are joining us online. Does any member of council have a

[0:31] disclosure of interest concerning the proposal?

[0:35] Seeing none. Miss Leach, what method of notice and when was the notice given to

[0:38] the public for the meeting, please? Mayor Sloan, as per requirements of the

[0:43] Planning Act, notice was mailed by regular post to every owner of land

[0:46] within 120 m of the subject land and applicable agencies on February 6th,

[0:51] 2026. An extended circulation also included all residents of nearby

[0:55] subdivisions, including those located within the city of St. Thomas. Notice

[0:59] was physically posted to the property by municipal staff and also posted to the

[1:03] municipal website. Thank you, Miss Leach. I'd now like to

[1:07] introduce Marylou Tanner, the senior partner of NPG Planning Solutions, to

[1:12] explain the proposed official plan amendment.

[1:17] Miss Tanner, welcome back. Thank you very much, Mayor Sloan and

[1:22] members of the community and members of council and staff. It's my pleasure to

[1:26] be here this evening for this public meeting under the Planning Act.

[1:31] And we'll just get the presentation loaded.

[1:33] For those of you who are able to attend the open house that was held last week

[1:38] on Tuesday evening, a lot of the material you're going to see this

[1:41] evening will be similar, but there will be people both here and online who may

[1:46] not have been had that opportunity. So, we want to give everybody

[1:49] a fresh fresh perspective and overview of the

[1:53] proposed official plan amendment. We can go to the next slide, please.

[1:58] So, this is the hospital lands. They're directly across the street from here. It

[2:03] won't be news to anyone, but we just want to outline what we're dealing with

[2:07] in terms of the hospital lands generally at the northeast corner of Sunset and

[2:11] John Wise Line and then carrying over to Fairview and south of the Miller's Pond

[2:16] subdivision. It excludes the OPP station on John Wise Line as well as the

[2:23] Southwest Centre for Forensic Mental Health Care on Sunset. So, we'll go to

[2:28] the next slide, please. The hospital lands are being divested

[2:34] from the province of Ontario as the hospital has been closed for a number of

[2:38] years. In doing so,

[2:41] the lands do not have clear direction in Central Elgin's official plan on what

[2:46] their future would be. And And that's not surprising given their given their

[2:49] long history of hospital and agricultural use. But with the future

[2:53] divestment of the lands, it's time to develop a plan for the lands' future,

[2:58] how they will develop and how they will connect to the adjoining communities. We

[3:03] began this process about 14 months ago with a visioning guiding principles

[3:07] workshop with council that resulted in the adoption of vision and guiding

[3:11] principles by council on May 5th, 2025. Earlier this month last month in

[3:17] February, we developed and brought to council the draft land use plan and what

[3:20] we call the policy directions. Taking those vision and guiding principles and

[3:25] teasing them out into more detail and preparing the draft of the land use

[3:30] plan. This is a statutory public meeting under

[3:32] the Ontario Planning Act and it is everyone's opportunity to ask questions

[3:36] and provide comments, feedback, and suggestions. We will be taking notes

[3:40] this evening and we will be providing a response to all the questions and

[3:43] comments we received tonight. There are no decisions being made on the proposed

[3:48] official plan amendment this evening. We will return next month with a

[3:52] recommended final version of the official plan amendment and mapping. And

[3:56] your feedback tonight and from last week will be taken into consideration. Should

[4:01] also say that there were two stakeholder workshops late last week and we

[4:05] appreciate the people who were able to join us in those and

[4:08] the feedback we received. We'll go to the next slide, please.

[4:14] What's coming up on this slide is a graphic of where we began and where

[4:18] we're headed to. So, as I mentioned, we had a vision workshop in January 2025.

[4:23] There was a significant amount of technical background work that was

[4:26] completed in 2025. The majority of it was completed by the

[4:30] province of Ontario and it included things like market studies and

[4:34] transportation and natural heritage studies and servicing studies including

[4:39] stormwater management. We've taken all of that information and translated it to

[4:43] the policy directions and land use plan that we worked on and released in

[4:48] February of this year. And we are now in the process of engagement on the

[4:52] official plan amendment which includes both maps and draft policies. Next

[4:57] slide, please. Last fall we conducted

[5:02] extensive public engagement on what we call round one and that occurred in

[5:06] November 2025 on the land use plan and proposed policy directions. There was

[5:11] one public open house, one online survey, four stakeholder meetings and we

[5:16] used a variety of tools to make sure that people were aware

[5:21] of of the project of what was going on

[5:23] including many of the notifications that the clerk provided this evening. Total

[5:29] of 453 resident participants provided input to us.

[5:34] Next slide, please. So, from the round one engagement, we

[5:39] heard and this has been a

[5:41] pretty consistent throughout the project, the importance of housing and

[5:44] housing affordability and providing housing for people who are choosing to

[5:48] call Central Elgin home and also ensuring that

[5:52] as the VW battery plant opens and related businesses that there's housing

[5:57] opportunities for those workers in Central Elgin.

[6:00] We heard about the importance of parks and making sure that parks were

[6:03] accessible and affordable for people to access and protecting natural heritage

[6:07] features. We heard a great deal about

[6:09] transportation and mobility including the importance of walkable and bikeable

[6:13] streets making sure that both cars and pedestrians and and as well cyclists

[6:18] have safe road network to use and ensuring that we are looking to the

[6:23] future should transit come into this community.

[6:26] For community facilities and services, it is really important that people have

[6:30] a place to shop, that people have a place to go get a coffee, a bank to go

[6:34] to, that there's community facilities such as a school and a community center

[6:38] for residents to be able to access within this neighborhood.

[6:42] And finally we heard the importance of heritage and identity and recognizing

[6:45] the site's legacy and looking at options for the existing heritage buildings as

[6:50] well. We'll go to the next slide, please.

[6:55] The draft official plan amendment for consideration includes the detailed set

[6:59] of policies with guidance and policy requirements on things such as

[7:05] housing and parks and servicing, community facilities, the downtown Main

[7:10] Street area that I'll touch on in a little bit and more. There are series of

[7:14] maps that I will walk you through this evening as well as an appendix that

[7:18] shows how the lands will build out and some preliminary thinking on what that

[7:22] timing looks like for those lands. As I mentioned, we did have a public

[7:26] open house on February 24th, which was last Tuesday and we had um

[7:32] at last count I heard 117 people attend, which we're very grateful for all of

[7:37] people who joined us and were able to provide their input. And the input we

[7:41] received that night will be responded to as we move forward. We're here tonight

[7:45] for the statutory public meeting and we are working through all of this

[7:49] engagement to gather feedback and learn more about changes and issues and

[7:55] opportunities members of the community have.

[7:58] We are required to circulate to agencies in this province when we do something

[8:02] like this, so that has taken place. We are awaiting agency

[8:06] feedback. That is agencies like the school boards, like the conservation

[8:10] authority, like of the county of Elgin and we'll look forward to hearing from

[8:14] them as well. We will be finalizing everything after

[8:18] the public consultation and agency consultation is concluded and there will

[8:23] be responses as I mentioned and uh in my experience through processes like

[8:28] these, there are always updates and edits and changes that occur after we

[8:32] hear from people. So, we'll go to the next slide, please.

[8:36] So, I want to start with the land use plan and just to orient everyone, north

[8:41] is up to the top. The street on the left is Sunset, across the bottom is John

[8:48] Wise and then turning at the end of the colored map north on Fairview. So, let

[8:53] me start over at Sunset. We have provided at the corner of John

[8:58] Wise and Sunset an institutional block of land. This will be for facilities

[9:03] such as health care, nursing homes, residential care facilities, government

[9:08] offices and things like that. The province of Ontario has we retain a

[9:12] minimum of 42 acres of institutional use, which is

[9:17] what they are going to retain for their purposes to be determined in the future

[9:21] and this area achieves that plus a little bit left over for something such

[9:25] as nursing home or a retirement home. As we look just north of that pinky

[9:31] purple block, there is a road connection. It comes in opposite Karen

[9:35] Street to line the streets up and be able to provide good

[9:38] transportation access and that will carry eastward but will not go directly

[9:43] through to Fairview. The orange areas that you see just off

[9:47] of Sunset are medium density housing. That would be three to six stories. It

[9:51] would be things like townhouses, stacked townhouses and low-rise apartment

[9:56] buildings. You'll see some green areas coming off

[9:59] of Sunset as well. Those are natural heritage areas.

[10:03] There is a creek and a conservation authority regulated area around that

[10:07] creek as well as what we call an ephemeral creek. So it's

[10:11] there sometimes, it's there not there all the time. It's dry but it has been

[10:16] identified in the natural heritage study. It will require more work to

[10:19] understand how it is going to be retained and protected and if it's going

[10:23] to be retained and protected because it doesn't flow year-round.

[10:27] The very bright green area just east of Sunset is a stormwater management pond

[10:32] which is required for stormwater drainage.

[10:35] As we start to look to the interior, you can see that the orange areas are medium

[10:39] density housing. That is that three to six story housing

[10:42] and the yellow is low density housing which is up to three three-ish stories

[10:48] and it would be single semis, some row houses and

[10:53] would provide the ability for a lower density form of housing.

[10:58] One thing to note in those yellow areas which are connected and adjoining

[11:03] Miller's Pond as well as in the southeast, there are some areas that are

[11:06] hatched. They will have access via a rear lane because they front on a

[11:10] collector road and we just want to make sure everybody has safe driveway

[11:13] movement. So those will be rear lane low density homes.

[11:18] Within the middle, you can see that there's some red areas. We heard very

[11:22] clearly from the market study that there is a need for additional commercial

[11:26] space in this community and through discussions in the council

[11:30] vision and workshop, it was determined that the appropriate form would be what

[11:34] we call a downtown main street. So, commercial uses on the ground floor and

[11:39] apartments above. You'll also see

[11:42] an area that has in red that is outlined and has a dotted outline and that is a

[11:47] location for a future grocery store. The very bright blue color will be

[11:52] future community services, things like a community center and schools.

[11:57] We have a couple of higher density areas in the future pink that is on John Wise

[12:02] line and those would be high density apartments. They would be up to eight

[12:06] stories in height, but no higher than that.

[12:10] There are a number of parks throughout the community of various sizes. This is

[12:13] to provide different opportunities for different users. The smaller park would

[12:17] be children's play equipment and and seating areas. The larger

[12:22] ones would be for sports facilities such as soccer

[12:25] fields and baseball diamonds and things like that.

[12:28] And within the downtown main street area, we also have a small green area

[12:32] that will be future public plaza in that area.

[12:37] And then as we moved just a little bit further east, you can see that

[12:42] there are two blue areas. Those have been identified as having indigenous

[12:47] archaeological interest, so they will not be developed and they will be

[12:52] maintained as they are now. There are a couple of other areas that also have a

[12:56] similar archaeological issue. One is a park and

[13:00] one is the high density area. Those are European um

[13:05] interests and they will be dealt with through future archaeological work.

[13:10] And finally, just up in the very northeast area, there is a provincially

[13:15] significant wetland surrounded by that blue

[13:19] archaeological area and that wetland will not be developed. It will be

[13:23] protected. And finally, there is a storm water pond adjacent to

[13:28] Fairview Street. We can go to the next slide, please.

[13:32] Just want to touch on this. We have set building heights in the schedule. It

[13:36] just makes it easier for people to see visually. The lighter the color, the

[13:40] lower the height. The darker the color, the higher the height. Everything is

[13:45] either three or four stories, three to six stories, maximum of eight, which is

[13:48] the darkest blue. And that is appropriate for the size of

[13:53] community and this nature of community. We'll go to the next slide, please.

[13:58] This is the road network schedule. It is very similar, exactly the same actually,

[14:03] to what you saw on the land use plan. We have included in it

[14:09] where the roads are going to be and how the community is going to connect. These

[14:13] roads will be very similar to what you see in other typical subdivisions,

[14:17] whether in St. Thomas or in Central Elgin.

[14:21] Just ensuring that there's safe movement of roads, but not creating the

[14:24] opportunity for cut-through traffic and speeding. If you want to cut through

[14:28] this future neighborhood, it's going to take you some time, and

[14:31] that is purposeful. We'll go to the next slide, please.

[14:36] So, this is the public realm and active transportation plan. And it's important

[14:39] that we understand that streets will have sidewalks on both sides. We will

[14:43] have bicycling lanes and facilities for cyclists, but we will also have trail

[14:49] system, which is shown in green. You can see some of the connections, especially

[14:53] in the northwest area. We just want to make sure that as we're building this

[14:57] community, that people have the ability to walk through it, to walk to where

[15:00] they want to go, and and don't necessarily need to choose a vehicle.

[15:05] You can see John Wise and on Sunset, there's circles

[15:09] at some of the intersections. Those will be gateways. They may be roundabouts,

[15:13] but they'll be something that defines that you're coming into this community.

[15:17] Sometimes it's public art or banners. There's a lot of different wonderful

[15:20] opportunities for that. Next slide, please.

[15:25] This is the preliminary phasing plan and it is um one that we are

[15:33] continuing to look at. It is very much tied to how much servicing capacity will

[15:37] be coming in white years. The development is proposed to start at

[15:41] sunset and move eastward in phase one, which will be to approximately 2031.

[15:47] Phase two will be 2031 to 2041. Sort of that middle piece with the downtown Main

[15:53] Street. Downtowns need people living around and they need just customers

[15:57] close by to be successful. And then the third phase will be the balance um south

[16:02] of the downtown Main Street and eastward over to Fairview. We don't have timing

[16:07] for the institutional block uh from the province, so we've left the phasing as

[16:11] to be determined. I'd like to now turn to some of the key

[16:15] policy highlights from the official plan amendment that would be found in the

[16:19] text of the official plan amendment. As I mentioned at the beginning, housing

[16:23] and housing affordability was a key priority for council. It's uh something

[16:27] that we've continued to hear about about the availability and affordability of

[16:30] housing. So, we've put in place a series of policies that um provide

[16:35] opportunities for housing and housing across what we call the continuum of

[16:38] housing. So, whether it's people who need assisted housing right through to

[16:43] um ownership. It includes rental and does provide the ability for people of

[16:48] all ages and incomes to uh obtain housing in this community. We focus the

[16:53] residential areas around parks and making sure that all residential areas

[16:57] are within a 15-minute walk of a park. We've put in place uh policies for

[17:02] buildings greater than three stories to ensure compatibility with adjoining land

[17:06] uses, particularly where there is development adjoining that use. We've

[17:11] put in place requirements uh for additional residential units to be

[17:15] included in the construction of the low density residential housing to create

[17:19] the opportunity for more units within the neighborhoods. And finally, although

[17:24] it's a policy, a housing impact statement is important to help Central

[17:28] Elgin track goals towards achieving the housing numbers for this plan. We'll go

[17:34] to the next slide, please. The downtown Main Street was that red

[17:38] area that I showed you on the land use plan and it is a community focal

[17:42] focal point. You can see some similar images from other similar sized

[17:46] communities of what this would look like. As I said, means main floor

[17:49] commercial with residential above it. It could have office above it. The building

[17:54] heights will be two to six stories. We find that that's a good relationship to

[17:58] the street and walkability and creating a really wonderful environment for the

[18:03] businesses and the people who are visiting those businesses. Parking will

[18:07] be located behind the buildings or underground, but I will caution that

[18:10] underground parking is very expensive to build and it may just not be able to be

[18:14] achieved. Big box retail and large retail plazas will not be permitted and

[18:19] as I mentioned earlier, we are planning for a grocery store. Next slide, please.

[18:25] I spoke earlier about the institutional area on Sunset and part of the reason

[18:29] for that is there's a number of institutional uses along Sunset. I mean

[18:32] this building is is part of it, but you can also see on the opposite side and

[18:37] it's important to create that continuity particularly as it's

[18:40] a very busy traveled road and you want to keep the the traffic to those

[18:44] institutional uses on that, but also provide a really really well designed

[18:49] building and quality landscaping. So those policies are in there.

[18:53] In this section of the plan as well as addressing the heritage conservation and

[18:57] adaptive reuse of the existing buildings.

[19:00] For cultural heritage and archaeology, as I mentioned, there

[19:03] there are some areas that have been identified with First Nations interest

[19:07] as well as European settler artifacts and those will both be dealt

[19:11] with appropriately. For the First Nations, it will be

[19:15] in partnership and working with those nations on what needs to happen in those

[19:20] areas, and there will be a commemoration and an interpretation plan with the

[19:24] rights-holding First Nations prepared. We'll go to the next slide,

[19:28] please.

[19:31] For the round two public engagement, as I mentioned, we started it earlier this

[19:36] year on February 9th, we brought a series of reports to council releasing

[19:40] all the things that we've been talking about,

[19:42] policy directions, and the draft official plan amendment. We had the open

[19:46] house, as I mentioned last week, as well as the two stakeholder meetings, and we

[19:51] are here this evening for this public meeting. You can continue to engage by

[19:56] sending us your comments in writing. We welcome them, and we will be providing a

[20:00] response to them. So, this is not your only opportunity to share your thoughts

[20:05] with us. Um let's turn to the next slide, please.

[20:09] So, our next steps. Last week was the open house. Tonight,

[20:13] we are here for the public meeting. The final official plan amendment is

[20:16] targeted for next month. While this is going on, we continue to

[20:21] engage with council, agencies, First Nations, as well as the community. We

[20:27] are committed to listening and responding thoughtfully to

[20:31] all the feedback that we receive, and we certainly welcome people to provide

[20:36] their comments, as well as their suggestions, because they are most

[20:39] welcome, and they will help us uh

[20:43] incorporate into the plan the community's feedback and

[20:46] assist with responding to concerns individuals may have.

[20:50] That concludes my presentation. Thank you.

[20:53] Thank you very much, Mary Lou. I will ask the clerk next. Ms. Leach,

[20:58] have you received any written submissions on the proposal, please?

[21:02] Mayor Sloan, correspondence has been received from the following: from Shane

[21:05] and Breanna Reitsma with 12 listed questions regarding the impacts of the

[21:09] proposed development, the proposed downtown portion of the new community,

[21:13] studies and data. From Bernie Shuet with concerns

[21:16] regarding increased traffic and safety issues, water quality and environmental

[21:20] impact, loss of wildlife habitat and diversity, cultural and indigenous

[21:25] significance. Incompatibility with sustainable and

[21:28] responsible development and impacts to taxpayers.

[21:32] From Southwestern Public Health outlining services and regulatory

[21:35] oversight considerations that may apply to the future development. And from Ted

[21:39] Hallwa regarding use of the existing former hospital buildings.

[21:45] Thank you, Ms. Leach. I appreciate that.

[21:55] That's okay. Um, I'm going to ask now, we have a a pretty

[22:00] um, robust group in the uh, gallery. Um, I'm going to open the floor now for

[22:04] questions. So, Mary Lou, if you just uh, I'm not sure if uh, anyone here would

[22:09] like to come forward. As Mary Lou says, this is the

[22:12] opportunity for your feedback to be heard on the record.

[22:16] We are being televised and we have the ability now to hear some suggestions,

[22:19] comments, and feedback. And all I would ask when you come to the

[22:22] microphone is press the button so that the folks online can hear it. And uh,

[22:26] give us your name. So, would anyone like to come forward, please?

[22:30] Welcome, sir.

[22:35] I think we should base it on seniority and since I'm in the eighth decade, I

[22:39] think I think I'm the oldest here, maybe.

[22:42] Just state your name for the record, please.

[22:43] » My name is Bernie Shuet and I'm associated with the Norma subdivision

[22:47] here. And we have some major concerns and we

[22:50] had put in originally in '017 a objection and you and your response

[22:56] was no development on the lands. So, and I'll get into some of the

[23:01] details in a moment, and I'll try not to take forever.

[23:04] And uh, we don't consider that as surplus or useless land. We consider

[23:08] that agriculture, and we would like to keep it as agriculture. So, I had

[23:12] trouble getting my our objection in with 40 to 50 people signed. And Delaney, Ms.

[23:17] Delaney did not take it in in December. And I was quite disappointed with the

[23:22] the process. I understand things are usually set in stone and things behind

[23:26] the scenes. We understand that. But, I think you should be a little more more

[23:30] facilitating. And And when you send correspondence, when I asked, "Did you

[23:34] receive this?" And you don't. So, I think you what you're doing there's 2

[23:38] and 1/2 thousand years of taxpayers value here, and they're

[23:42] good people, and they're concerned. One of the main concerns is your aquifer

[23:46] here. And if you study any geo and you're going to put buildings in there,

[23:50] so we're against that. We're going to

[23:52] continue with that objection. We won't have much say in the matter. So, I think

[23:56] you should be talking the council should be talking to your rep people that you

[24:00] represent, and you're going to find with my

[24:02] your you've done a poor job of communicating. All of a sudden it comes

[24:05] out there's a new city. Well, here's what I'd like to read. And

[24:09] so, did you do have our petition, do you?

[24:12] I'm sure the clerk is who's very confident of her abilities.

[24:16] If If you haven't, you can file it with us tonight. We'll make sure it's

[24:19] registered originally. I already sent it, and here's your your return mail.

[24:23] So, I'm not I don't appreciate to being treated with disrespect in paperwork,

[24:27] okay? So, we'll move on, and here's what I'd like to read. So,

[24:31] that is all here, and the planning lady can read all that. So, we're still

[24:36] sticking to an objection. We don't consider it We consider you can still do

[24:40] the Ontario hospital with the existing zoning, which you have years to do. And

[24:44] then, I'll just read some more details. So, I I would

[24:49] really be nice if you read what we put in our petition. And I think the

[24:54] communication was broken down, and I don't appreciate not calling back. I

[24:58] feel ghosted totally. All right. And we have no power. We know that. We're just

[25:02] a small guy. It's okay. So, here's what I'd like to read if I can quickly get

[25:06] there and I'll be to almost though. I think there's a lot of industry being

[25:11] driven right now for for by command not demand. And Chrysler, we put billions in

[25:16] that plant in Windsor and that's not a no go. So, we don't agree fundamentally

[25:21] that you put all your eggs in one basket with Volkswagen. So, you that's what

[25:25] you're saying. That's fine. But to call that useless land is not. It's quite

[25:29] valuable land. And it's farmed It's been farmed for 50 years. And

[25:34] I I think I'm concerned that I see all these municipalities developing

[25:37] developing, but the housing situation at 635 a unit isn't even break even for the

[25:42] builders. So, we've kind of hurt a lot of people with this whole rental housing

[25:47] is issue. That's a separate issue. But the a small one bedroom in St. Thomas is

[25:52] 21,000 a year. How many people do you think can afford that? So, we've got

[25:56] some real structural issues. Uh

[25:59] now, I think you mischaracterized. That's not on useless land. It's

[26:02] productive agricultural land. And and I think when I heard Mr.

[26:05] uh that that that the land uh uh

[26:09] the this land does not live forever and Mr.

[26:13] Martin was vocal against that. And of course, there's acquisition. You gave

[26:17] them 1,500 acres. So, I think one thing you should consider for the norm it will

[26:21] affect their ground water. It's the best well water you could ever get. It's an

[26:25] aquifer that runs through the Ontario Hospital. All right. It used to feed the

[26:28] Ford plant. And I've been drinking it for years and nothing's wrong with me.

[26:32] » [laughter] >> You got some humor. Attaboy.

[26:35] So, moving ahead. So, we believe it's still major institutional. It's still

[26:39] agricultural. It's still open space. And I agree all those natural heritages

[26:42] great and the river that that runs dry. But we're not ready to accept a new

[26:46] city. All right. And I'm going to read a couple more things that if I can find

[26:51] notes properly, here we go.

[26:55] And so basically we're we're framing it country versus city.

[26:58] And the way I see the cities being developed and I don't understand it

[27:01] because it's not affordable. And we go to Talbotville, you got 6,000 square

[27:04] foot homes on a little lot. So your banking is the bank act is pretty

[27:08] strong. So moving ahead, we if you remember the Townshend fiasco,

[27:13] it's about 1,200 acres and it was guaranteed to steel boom. So when you go

[27:16] to one industries and there's no guarantee Volkswagen is true to their

[27:20] commitment. All right. So a lot of these corporations get government funding and

[27:25] the government's happy with the jobs cuz you have 40% of your money back. So this

[27:29] is it's gone too far. All right. I see too much suffering and

[27:32] too many people at the bottom. So let's finish with this issue. Sorry I threw

[27:35] that in there. I was wrong. Transportation safety. Who owns

[27:38] Southdale? You want to walk down there and then you put that new subdivision,

[27:41] you haven't put a dime in it and my friends are almost killed with the

[27:44] traffic. I know it's 60, but there's not a sidewalk, there's not a walkway. And

[27:48] then when you did the new subdivision, there all the water went to everybody's

[27:51] basements and they're too afraid to sue for 20 or 40 grand. So now you have

[27:55] trouble problems with your water issues. So and some people are paying 350 for

[28:00] water coming in and out. What do you think? Do do do you use your AI to do a

[28:03] budget? So I think you're going too far. We want the right to object. That's all.

[28:07] We probably don't have much say past that knowing that changes in the land

[28:11] tribunal act, but I think there's some other issues of of of

[28:15] of uh ethics involved. So I feel that's

[28:19] important to know. I don't think you've done the safe conditions there and and

[28:22] the effort it took just to change to 70 km shows there's too much stickiness.

[28:26] There's too much, but it's everywhere. Not just blaming you fellows

[28:29] or women personally, but I think you should be talking to

[28:32] your base and I think you should be doing a survey of everybody within a

[28:35] mile of here. I don't I felt that whole program was one-sided. You couldn't have

[28:39] an opposites you couldn't have the open mic to say the opposite and nobody said

[28:43] anything the opposite. Nobody could speak against it. So what's the point?

[28:46] So I want to put my objection in for this group of people and they've spent

[28:50] over 2 and 1/2 thousand years of tax paying, so that should be respected. And

[28:54] that's the main concern for this. And I'm sorry, counselor woman, if I didn't

[28:58] talk to you about it, okay? Because I've I'm kind of doing other

[29:01] things. So, the other thing is with this water fiasco of 400 million dollars, I

[29:06] have no clue on the water on the plant, and all that I know is the people that

[29:10] live to the east of that plant are going to struggle. Because that's So, there's

[29:13] going to be a lot of chemicals, a lot of issues. I know you want to main-

[29:16] maintain, but it seems every time these big projects, they run out of money,

[29:21] they shut down. And NextStar, which is right here,

[29:26] put over a billion dollars of Canadian dollar money in it, and they sold their

[29:29] share for a hundred dollars. And that's not right. So, let's get our

[29:32] business affairs in order. I know it starts from the top, and we're nobody. I

[29:37] mean, I I lost the vote, but please listen to

[29:40] people and don't ghost us like that. That's not polite. Uh So, if they're

[29:44] really scarce land, you've got 110 acres with apparently Can-Am says they sold it

[29:48] to a developer. So, why can't we slow it down a bit? Because I don't believe in

[29:51] this new city. Other people don't. And if you want to do an independent survey

[29:55] of everything within two miles of it, I asked people in Port Stanley all over,

[29:59] are you asking your your your constituents, or are you just dictating

[30:03] from top down? That's how we feel. So, it's not going to bother me what you do,

[30:07] but I think you should be a little bit more held to task, but it's the way it

[30:11] is, and I understand that. And I don't I don't appreciate that. With when there's

[30:16] an economic I understand you you want to have more tax dollars. That's going to

[30:20] be a half a billion dollars. If if they're successful, great. But if you

[30:24] would believe in the EV industry, where's everybody driving their EV cars?

[30:28] All right. So, I've been in US industry and Canadian industry for 20 years, and

[30:32] I think this country should not be supporting the losers and subsidizing

[30:36] the ones that are not guaranteed. There's a lot of environment issues

[30:39] there, too. So, I'm not in in that. That's already said and done. So, if you

[30:43] said you're going to ameliorate the people's water here, that's fine. I

[30:47] don't even know if your water supply is going down there. Your developers gave

[30:50] me 30 years ago a map that they had all planned out. So, you can't change.

[30:55] So, I think you guys are all being controlled, and I don't think you're

[30:58] standing up for the individual taxpayer, 100% of it.

[31:02] And anything I could one of the thing the

[31:05] our 50 signatures have been ghosted by municipal set. They're not even saying,

[31:08] "Oh, thank you for your letter." Why? How do you communicate? Why is it

[31:11] so difficult? And I say, "Did you get it?" No. And then you say something here

[31:15] and you kind of repeat it, but that wasn't the crux. The crux was we were

[31:18] objecting and we're sticking to and we objected in

[31:21] 1917 or 2017 and we're objecting today. I know and so I say, "Put it off another

[31:28] 2 months and have more consultation before you start getting all these

[31:31] quotes in. All right? And that you're going to find a lots here. So, they're

[31:35] going to say the same thing that they're concerned. And so, you we have

[31:40] to accept your vision, but I don't agree with your vision, okay?

[31:44] Sorry, sir. Okay. All right, the button again. I'm all Okay. Thank you, Mr.

[31:49] Shur. We chatted at the open house. No, no. I'm not cutting you off. I'm

[31:53] just going to reply to a couple of points. We chatted at the open house.

[31:57] You're an active, amiable person who very nicely told me last week

[32:02] your concerns. I listened to them. They're now on the record. So, I do

[32:05] believe that this is an opportunity for that to come forward. I'm not

[32:09] knowledgeable enough to speak on the water issues. I think you would agree

[32:12] that the building of a plant to the north of St. Thomas in former Central

[32:16] Elgin land wasn't something that this council exactly, how shall I put it,

[32:20] expected when they ran for this term. So, I'm just I just with with just give

[32:25] me 60 seconds. You You You make good points, but at the end of the day, this

[32:30] is the opportunity for you to object. Um I I put you firmly in the object

[32:35] category. Um and I realize that there's a lot of um

[32:39] I unease about the development that's going on there, the money that's being

[32:42] spent. You know, I quoted the other day them

[32:45] saying that $11 billion in foreign direct investment is coming to St.

[32:48] Thomas, and that's not just PowerCo, but that's the

[32:52] graphite place that I can never remember the name of. Find out.

[32:55] So, think about this for a council perspective with respect to the calls we

[32:59] already get about traffic, right? So, the development that will come with

[33:03] that, regardless if it's across the street, north of St. Thomas, east, west,

[33:07] or you name it, you have to admit that the full full build-out of that

[33:12] facility, what they call Yarmouth Yards, was nice of them to give us a name, will

[33:17] change this community, right? And the people at this table, and the people at,

[33:22] you know, the provincial and federal levels, don't always come knocking on

[33:25] our door finding out exactly how we'd like to see that happen. So,

[33:29] I I I And the only other comment that I have is I don't consider it a new city,

[33:33] I consider it a new community, and I'm not sure if my colleagues agree with me

[33:36] or the folks that are here, but ultimately, if there's going to be the

[33:39] growth that's coming, there's going to be, as was stated very clearly, who do

[33:45] we want people, where do we want them to choose to call

[33:48] home? Now, if it's Central Elgin, we have to prepare. I will say to you and

[33:53] to the people that are here this evening, our as a council, our first

[33:56] concern at the start of this project was that if Central Elgin wasn't left

[34:00] holding the bag of a of a development that wasn't going to be paid for, and

[34:03] that somehow the citizens here, or anybody that lives in Central Elgin,

[34:06] would be negatively affected. And I attest to

[34:09] you today that that will not happen. And that's not because of happenstance,

[34:13] that's because of the last 18 months in working on a deal that firmly gives

[34:18] Central Elgin the ability to recover costs, to work in phases, and at the end

[34:23] of the day, I I do believe that there are concerns about how quickly things

[34:27] will happen. We heard at the start that PowerCo would be, uh, you know, three

[34:31] phases, or three terminals. Now it's two terminals, or one, and we hear different

[34:34] things. So, I believe that we've done our best to try and respond to something

[34:40] that came along that we never knew would be here when we started.

[34:43] Appreciate you always being very kind, and I will give you another shot here,

[34:47] but you have my number. You can, and I have to turn mine off first, but you're

[34:51] always You live in Portland, I know exactly, and you're very always very

[34:55] nice when you see me, and I I I sense your passion frustration, but thank you

[34:59] for keeping your to that to that level of you're always It's a good idea. I

[35:03] don't look for you forward to your calls, but I actually, at the end of the

[35:06] day, uh, I respect you very much.

[35:11] Respect is usually earned, so I'm not sure, but I would just like to ask one

[35:14] question. What did you guys anticipate uh, of your property taxes? If you said

[35:19] 5,000 homes times, you know, so 5,000 a year, my math shows it's a half a

[35:23] billion over 30 years. Isn't that a fairly significant responsibility? So,

[35:27] do you have that figure just as a question? Have you ever forecasted that

[35:30] over 30 years? Just So, that's what I'm saying. It's a lot of money for

[35:34] taxpayers to come up with. I'm sorry.

[35:39] Appreciate it. Understood. It's difficult to know how the phases will go

[35:41] forward, but I appreciate your comments, and look forward to chatting with you

[35:44] again.

[35:49] I'd ask if there's anyone else who'd like to come forward. The mic is yours.

[35:57] Mr. Leech, welcome.

[36:01] Uh, your your worship, members of council, staff, um, I'm Donald Leech,

[36:06] and I'm the chair of the Municipal Heritage Committee.

[36:09] Um, we have a number of other committee

[36:11] members here in attendance, as well. Um, we had the opportunity last week for

[36:16] our second stakeholder meeting with the consultants, and we thank uh, council

[36:20] for the opportunity to consult with us, and ask questions, receive answers, and

[36:25] provide input into the process. As Council may recall,

[36:31] uh sometime ago, uh myself and Mike Baker from the committee made a

[36:34] presentation to Council about the history of the building,

[36:38] um its role in the Second World War as um a training facility as part of the

[36:43] Commonwealth Air Training Plan where Air Air Force personnel from across the

[36:48] Commonwealth came to this community to receive training that uh assisted us to

[36:54] uh win the Second World War. In addition, the uh building was

[36:58] noteworthy. It was built during the tenure of local MPP and Premier Mitch

[37:03] Hepburn. So, Mitch Hepburn ensured that uh

[37:06] a fine structural building was built with the uh best of architects, William

[37:11] Lyon Somerville, um uh noted English architect that moved to

[37:16] Canada, Jacobin Jones, and um with materials like Queenston limestone,

[37:21] terrazzo floors. So, in looking at the uh specific

[37:25] overlay policies in section 4.7.10.26,

[37:31] um we were pleased to see that uh there is wording that reflects Council's

[37:36] commitment to see the uh Westerly buildings that have been

[37:41] designated on the Ontario Heritage Heritage Act repurposed. Um

[37:46] that site alteration will conserve significant built heritage resources,

[37:51] and that uh there'll be encouragement for adaptive reuses of significant built

[37:55] heritage resources. Uh one thing that we would ask that

[38:00] Council consider is perhaps expanding the permitted uses in the OPA to also

[38:07] include some type of housing. Um we see that as by including um

[38:14] housing as a permitted use, that may assist with the uh repurposing of those

[38:20] buildings. That it ex- provides expanded range of uses.

[38:24] Something that may be assisted housing or something along that type of lines

[38:27] that may be appropriate for those buildings.

[38:32] Um we'd also ask council to consider it's beyond the official plan amendment

[38:37] we understand, but um in 2019 there was negotiations between

[38:42] the municipality and the province about a heritage easement agreement. The

[38:46] heritage easement agreement intent was that

[38:48] when the province sold the building to a third party that there would be

[38:52] additional protection for the building. And um

[38:56] that agreement was um went through a number of back and forth sessions, but

[39:01] um would provide additional uh

[39:04] protection and reaffirm council's commitment to see those buildings

[39:09] develop because we recognize if you know the

[39:11] if the building remains in the province ownership the heritage act bylaw doesn't

[39:15] apply, um the official plan doesn't apply, uh

[39:19] the province can do what it wishes. Um and I guess the final point I'd raise

[39:24] is uh we learned through our stakeholder meeting uh about the consultation with

[39:30] the various First Nations that may have an interest. The committee recognizes

[39:34] that um you know the heritage of Central Algoma

[39:37] didn't begin with uh European settlement a few hundred years ago, but goes back

[39:41] thousands of years. So you know the committee would welcome

[39:45] the opportunity to um work with any interested First Nations

[39:49] that are looking at commemoration activities

[39:52] um you know as the First Nations would deem

[39:54] it appropriate and in the spirit of reconciliation.

[39:58] So thank you for the opportunity to to

[40:01] speak to council. Thank you, Mr. Leach. We appreciate

[40:04] those comments.

[40:12] Former Mayor Martin.

[40:16] Thank you, Mayor and council members. Um I just

[40:20] I'm very familiar with the building and and and I agree with like Mr. Leech has

[40:25] made the point that we really would like to have the council here tell the

[40:28] province we want to see the building maintained and and retained the parts

[40:33] that were designated um when I was on Mayor at that time.

[40:39] The the re-purposing of that building is there's so it's so easy to re-purpose.

[40:44] The um you know, they want to they in the plan there is a section for a

[40:48] community center possibly. There's a gymnasium, there's cafeterias, there's

[40:54] um an auditorium, there's chapel, there's libraries. They're all in that

[40:58] building already and they're right at the back part of the designated part. So

[41:02] they'd be perfect for a community center already. Um as Mr. Leech said, there are

[41:07] sections at the ends that could easily be housing. We took Indwell through that

[41:13] building in 2019. Um and they were just excited. They were

[41:17] so thrilled. They wanted to jump right in immediately and start doing housing

[41:22] and uh Um the only stipulation they wanted was

[41:26] some transportation from there into St. Thomas and and we had to get cooperation

[41:31] from St. Thomas for that. But um it didn't happen. St. Thomas jumped

[41:37] on Indwell and got them to do a few things in St. Thomas. And it's great

[41:40] that they've done that. I'm not criticizing them that they have done

[41:43] that. I think that's very important. But there could also be luxury apartments in

[41:47] there and there's tremendous park space in between all these sections of

[41:52] building and I know there's the hospital. They're looking for possibly a

[41:57] hospital. There is that field at the south end that could and but you could

[42:01] still incorporate the offices in the current

[42:05] The current building is extremely strong and well-built and and it was a real

[42:09] testament of course to Mitch Hepburn. They said at the time that if the

[42:13] building if a normal building cost dollars a square foot to build, he this

[42:17] one cost $10 a square foot cuz he put the most expensive material in there.

[42:22] And if you go in, you can see the brick walls inside as well as the glass bricks

[42:27] everywhere to let light go through the building and and of course the Queenston

[42:31] limestone walls. So, all I'm saying to you tonight is I really would

[42:35] like you to encourage the province to let us repurpose that building, the

[42:39] parts that were designated. We did not designate the far back parts.

[42:43] Only In the Well thought they could do those, too.

[42:46] They said that was no problem. They've looked at so many

[42:49] you know, they've they've taken and done um

[42:52] things in factories, etc. But the the nice thing about repurposing those

[42:58] things there as well is you don't have the cost tearing it down,

[43:02] and it would be extremely costly to remove.

[43:06] And you're making good use of our heritage. And that is as Don said, that

[43:11] was the air training you know, ground training space for all of the

[43:15] Commonwealth. That's not just Canada. That's England and and all over. They

[43:20] came here to be trained from all over the Commonwealth.

[43:24] And so, that's really makes it a significant building for the for the um

[43:30] country of Canada as well. So. May I ask a question, Mrs. Martin?

[43:34] When was this building built? Because I noticed when I when they started doing

[43:37] the the construction here, it's not a heri- heritage designation. So, when was

[43:41] the county building here built? This one here um this one here was built right

[43:45] just shortly after that one. It was the nurses residence. But that one was

[43:49] completed first and taken over, as you know, during the war before it actually

[43:54] became a hospital. But once it became a hospital, then the nurses residence is

[43:58] built. Yeah, I've been very concerned. I will say Mr. Kneckt called me and asked

[44:02] me what I thought of what they were doing on the outside.

[44:05] Uh me, too. And I I think we both have concerns, but I was very surprised this

[44:08] building was not heritage designated. It's because it belongs to the county,

[44:12] and the county have to be willing. The province asked us to designate that

[44:17] building. They approached us, did as you've

[44:20] probably seen the 80-page document that they provided with all the heritage and

[44:24] structure and everything that they asked us to designate it, and so that's why

[44:29] when I was mayor, it was designated. And we convinced them not to designate every

[44:34] part of the buildings to do the front, to just give more

[44:38] options for the back buildings. May I ask why would they come to you and have

[44:41] you designate partially the buildings? I I I just like the background cuz I

[44:44] didn't know that they came to you. Okay. Um they they came I'm Don might be

[44:50] better cuz he was the certain CAO at the time, but um they came to us because

[44:55] Infrastructure Ontario, which is what they were called, they wanted that they

[44:59] wanted originally the whole farm preserved, everything, because it was

[45:03] the last psychiatric hospital and farm that fed, you know, their patients,

[45:08] their I mean, when I worked there as a summer student when I was in university,

[45:11] there were over 2,000 patients in that hospital. And they fed them. They

[45:15] provided all their meat, their vegetables, everything. And and the

[45:19] patients all helped with that. They helped farm then my ladies used to go

[45:23] out and pick vegetables and prepare them for supper. So, I mean

[45:27] Don, if you want, I can uh maybe Don can speak to exactly why the province, but I

[45:31] know Infrastructure Ontario did want it preserved. Very strongly felt that way.

[45:37] I'm afraid um Premier Ford has replaced all the people

[45:41] on Infrastructure Ontario from that time. Probably deliberately.

[45:45] Thank you for clarifying.

[45:53] Ms. Sanders, please come along. Thanks. Nora Sanders, and uh

[45:59] I'm also part of the Municipal Heritage Committee, but I think I'm here more

[46:03] just as myself, a resident of Port Stanley, cuz others from the committee

[46:08] have expressed so well, and I just want to add a little bit cuz I I uh

[46:14] back in the day, early '80s, I was on the community advisory board for uh the

[46:18] psych hospital. So, I was familiar with it in that way. I used to represent some

[46:23] of the people that were uh as clients, some of the people that were uh in

[46:27] there, but um I'm enough of a conservative to have the

[46:33] instinct that um when you've already got something, you

[46:37] think about how to use it rather than replace it.

[46:42] And I would be hard put to think of a more solid

[46:47] building in the county of Elgin than what's right across the street

[46:51] here. Now, Sally's just explained, you know,

[46:54] Mitch Hepburn and this was his, you know, uh

[46:58] his balliwick and his uh

[47:01] you know, great great contribution to our county. Um

[47:07] We were part of a state couple stakeholder meetings, one just a couple

[47:10] days ago, and I was at the public meeting last week. Today's the first

[47:15] time I've heard it mentioned that the development

[47:18] in stages is going to start from Sunset and end up and move the other direction,

[47:23] because I had had, I guess, the false impression that decisions weren't made

[47:28] yet about the buildings. So, that I I I assume that the reason the whole picture

[47:34] shows all the way back to Fairview was that they'd start from

[47:38] where there's nothing there, and if we need housing, you know, get going

[47:42] building it. So, I just say, I've been part of different

[47:46] consultations. That was the first I'd heard of it. And and I just think

[47:51] if if housing's the priority, uh those buildings are there, and as Sally

[47:57] said could be could be luxury places, could be

[48:01] you know, if they can make Balaclava Street School into a housing which is a

[48:05] beautiful it's going to be a beautiful thing. There's huge capacity here. Um

[48:11] and I was privileged and grateful to have a tour there back in October.

[48:16] Um little bit sad when we were there a few

[48:19] weeks ago late January to see that Infrastructure Ontario has uh let it go

[48:26] in that short time. Um I mean the damage to it is in that

[48:31] time is superficial. You know, paint and ceiling and

[48:35] uh broken glass and stuff, but but uh the building's been sitting empty a long

[48:41] time and so I guess I should have said I meant to say first I'm grateful to see

[48:45] some planning happening to use it or to do something here because it's it's kind

[48:50] of sad to have that place sitting empty all these years and so on, but I I would

[48:56] encourage you to think through uh

[49:00] whether it can't be used and and why on earth it wouldn't be. Uh

[49:05] I'm pretty sure whatever they build out here

[49:09] uh houses or or apartment buildings won't be of the quality of what's

[49:14] already there. Um and

[49:17] uh you know,

[49:20] why not? Why not use it in some way? And and you know, when we've had these

[49:25] stakeholder meetings, we've asked in the one last fall and again this week it was

[49:31] and now it's more clear, but we said how can you be planning about community

[49:35] facilities, about park space cuz there's all those courtyard areas there

[49:40] and all that without taking into account what's already there? And and it wasn't

[49:46] clear to me why they're not except the excuse was, well, that's up to the

[49:49] province. So it it it still it needs to be done

[49:53] together and and with the map we've been shown, the

[49:58] purple part uh is part of it, but the buildings are

[50:02] partly on the purple part and partly on the other part and and to show that it's

[50:08] going to be communities something or other without taking into account

[50:12] there's a building already there. So, I would just maybe like slow down a little

[50:16] bit and think about that would be my wish and my hope um if it isn't too

[50:21] late. The other thing I wanted to talk about

[50:25] uh it's just my own thinking uh and it's

[50:28] not about the building so much, but this whole idea of a whole downtown and

[50:33] stores and so on. And I guess my question on that is is what

[50:38] uh research has been done as to the impacts on Port Stanley

[50:43] businesses and yeah, even St. Thomas. Like my hope

[50:48] has been and I'm I'm proud resident of Central Elgin, but I mean I'm one that

[50:53] does remember St. Thomas having a downtown that you went to to get shoes

[50:57] or clothes or whatever. And my hope was with the battery plant that we might see

[51:02] some revival. And now I see this being planned to kind of cut into that. So, I

[51:08] guess I just I just raise that question. I'm assuming with all the work that the

[51:13] researchers, the consultants have done that they've done that kind of analysis,

[51:16] but I haven't heard it reported on. So, those are the things I want to say. Very

[51:20] grateful for the chance to speak tonight.

[51:24] Thanks very much. Just quickly the the first phase will be to the north of the

[51:28] site. So, for building the 26 to 31. Second, with regards to this community

[51:34] and there being a quote downtown, um I mean it it if you didn't do some

[51:38] planning at the start uh Nora, you might get variety stores on some corners. So,

[51:43] I think you would look at it as the quote downtown, which is just putting

[51:47] together some, you know, a cluster of commercial

[51:52] entities would be that it would complement either Port Stanley or St.

[51:55] Thomas as opposed to compete with. Just my looking at it and and again, I mean,

[51:59] that that build out of that phase is until I'm I don't know where Mary Lou

[52:03] is, 20 that's 2031 plus, so we do have some time for some sober second thought

[52:07] on that, but I appreciate your comments very much.

[52:15] I'm scanning the crowd.

[52:18] Please come forward. Thank you.

[52:25] Hello, I'm Diana Stana. This is my first meeting. Um

[52:29] I have a unique perspective because I live on John Wise Line, right across

[52:33] from this proposal. And um it just seems I just sitting here at my first meeting

[52:38] just aghast at the the planning that's already happening

[52:43] here and I heard a number that was over 400 um responses that you've gotten so

[52:49] far. I'd like to hear what those are. Are you going to publish those?

[52:55] Uh Mary Lou would know that. I think that they um

[52:59] Where's Mary Lou? Are we How do we Could you just quickly help me on that one cuz

[53:02] I'm not sure. I know that you compiled them. Do you mind just saying what the

[53:06] process is, Mary Lou? Thank you. Mary Lou, you can take this microphone right

[53:09] next to Jack Jeff if you wish.

[53:18] Uh thank you very much. The um summary from the open house will be prepared by

[53:22] Lower Consulting. They're working on it now. All of the questions and comments

[53:26] we get tonight, we're taking notes on and we will prepare a summary of what we

[53:30] were asked and what the response is. So, we may not have all the answers tonight,

[53:34] but we're committing to get committed to getting answers to all of the comments

[53:38] and questions and releasing it. The question though, if I may just help you

[53:41] out here, It's said on one of the slides that we had 400 responses. I think

[53:45] that's what you're referring to. So, those 400 responses, is that aggregated?

[53:49] How does that information come forward? Please, Mary.

[53:53] Uh thank you. Um and thank you for clarifying. So, the um

[53:58] the summary from round one is available publicly. Um you can find it on the

[54:03] February 9th Council agenda. Or if you want to connect with one of us from the

[54:08] project team, we can get you a copy of it.

[54:13] Very good. Any further comments or questions? Go ahead.

[54:17] I I just I don't really hear the support of all these good folks that have come

[54:22] forward and and spoken thus far. And I I just don't see the positive

[54:29] going forwardness with this. Like where this comes from.

[54:34] Um you know, I'm on a farm directly across

[54:38] from where all this is going to happen. And I just view that as excellent

[54:42] farmland. And

[54:45] um just the history uh that Mrs. Martin spoke of um and how it was used, why can

[54:52] it not go forward and be used in in that in that way.

[54:57] Um I I just want to go on the record that I'm completely opposed to all of

[55:01] this.

[55:03] Thank you. Thanks for attending tonight. You said

[55:07] it was your first meeting. We appreciate that.

[55:10] » [snorts] >> Others?

[55:18] Any of the council colleagues have any questions?

[55:33] Everyone has been provided a fair opportunity to be heard. Any person

[55:36] wishing further information on the actions of council regarding the

[55:39] proposed amendment should contact the municipality. Before I adjourn the

[55:42] meeting, I will say that the process is all available through Mary Ellen and is

[55:46] on or Mary Lou rather, we have a Mary Lou and a Mary Ellen,

[55:48] uh available online. We come back and Mary Lou in this presentation talks

[55:52] about what the statutory um regulations are and when the meetings will be held.

[55:57] So, without further ado, I will ask to adjourn this meeting at 6:55. All

[56:05] those in favor? Opposed. Thank you very much.

Special Meeting of Council - 02 Mar 2026

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