[0:03] Okay, Mr. Mick, I'm ready. Okay, let's restart. You want to take a role? Are you ready? No, I will

[0:10] keep a role. West, Mick, Granger, Jones, McGeele, and Andrews. We have a quorum.

[0:22] Did

[0:29] we send out minutes? I mean electronically at a time?

[0:34] Yes. Did he have to make it in a minute?

[0:38] Oh yeah.

[0:43] What you guys thought was there any corrections that need to be made?

[0:49] I thought they were fine. I don't know what this is.

[0:52] Except it is written.

[0:54] Okay. Motion to do it. Except it is.

[0:56] That's the September 10th.

[1:16] That was a special meeting we had to review

[1:25] the Brownfield project for the former

[1:28] We're going to have a review of those as well in the air, I get your question in the meeting, I think that we've proved.

[1:43] We've been elected.

[1:45] Second.

[1:46] Second.

[1:48] All those in favor.

[1:50] I can say aye.

[1:51] Aye.

[1:51] Opposed?

[1:53] Motion carries.

[1:56] So we're down to number four, Tom.

[1:57] That's where you've done it.

[2:00] Sure.

[2:08] Well, simply the reason for this meeting is that we have to make our annual disbursement for

[2:15] reimbursement costs for two projects, two Brownfield projects in the city.

[2:24] One being the former Shaboykin Village Marina,

[2:31] which was originally

[2:36] Mariners Village project.

[2:38] That

[2:47] project is at its end with this disbursement of $1,500 and $6.00.

[3:00] We'll meet their re-inversible costs of $149,400.

[3:09] So it's William Village, Marina.

[3:15] Basically, that project is now ended with this last disbursement of $1,500 and $6.00.

[3:24] We also have the capabilities of capturing those same tax dollars for the next five years.

[3:35] So what happens with that is we'll put that into our own City of Shabuigan Brownfield Reservant

[3:41] Authority account. This year it's about $5,540.93 and then calculating over the next four years

[3:51] there's just going to be about $7,000 a year.

[3:55] So we're going to accumulate about,

[3:57] just roughly over $33,000, but I'll go into a local account.

[4:03] And those monies can be used for a brown field project,

[4:05] globally.

[4:07] Yeah.

[4:07] It's something we can initiate proactively.

[4:15] No, this board can initiate it.

[4:18] I mean, it's up to them.

[4:19] You just have to abide by the state statute.

[4:22] But you can't, this work can basically initiate their own project and spend those monies on the project without state approval.

[4:32] Yeah, eligible projects.

[4:34] Eligible projects, yeah.

[4:37] No, we're looking at a long tail period to move the second one there.

[4:43] We are, yeah.

[4:44] I couldn't have money to go towards that.

[4:47] I'm not saying I wanted to, but my first answer would be no,

[4:54] but maybe it's a possibility.

[4:56] I have not investigated that too.

[4:59] So it's

[5:02] been synthesized or established through the plan.

[5:06] Yeah, through that particular plan.

[5:08] Because there are.

[5:09] And after this period, what's the balance of that balance?

[5:14] After the credit union, oh, it's

[5:18] roughly almost $400,000. I can get you that exact amount

[5:23] about it and really calculate it open. It's going to take a

[5:27] long time. It's never again. It was really intended to get paid

[5:32] back in about 12 years.

[5:36] But we didn't take it to the DDA for the

[5:42] mediated four-go their capture so by not doing that

[5:49] It's gonna take almost 23 years

[5:51] To pay it back, but

[5:56] Mac McClellan is looking at that max max does a lot of brownfield projects throughout the state and

[6:01] He's done a lot a lot of projects for us and

[6:11] They're not they're not disappointed I guess I know as long as they know they're gonna get their money back that were

[6:17] three reversible costs it is about they're getting about 50% less than any

[6:23] normally would they're in their tax bill is about 50,000 a year so it's you

[6:32] know 17,000 517 is getting reimbursed so it's 30% yeah

[6:46] yeah

[6:50] that's yeah

[6:50] That puts the negative, that they spark a lot, that they could be hiring, wouldn't they know?

[6:57] Sure.

[6:58] They did get some federal income tax credits, state income tax credits along with that, so that helped them.

[7:13] It would become easy to find out the answer to that question, but whether that money could be appropriate for existing projects as opposed to the new ones come out.

[7:30] I think that would be worth what I'm known.

[7:34] Just somebody's going to ask a question at some time.

[7:36] Sure.

[7:37] That's a good question to ask.

[7:43] Yeah, I talked to Matt McCleone last week, I didn't ask him that question, but I'll ask

[7:47] him.

[7:49] You know what you're talking about?

[7:50] Part of the question.

[7:51] And I found out that reporting was that amount of violence, I'd be asking that question right

[7:57] away.

[7:58] Sure.

[8:01] Yeah.

[8:01] We're going to be distributed to us.

[8:08] Yeah, that's a good question today. I'll ask Mac that so

[8:15] we need two motions. Yeah, I don't remember four of the

[8:20] four

[8:22] The marriage village project now. It's a boy. You village Marina. We had a motion to do this first

[8:27] 1,500 of six cents

[8:48] I'll take a I'll take a rope. I'll take a roll call, but I'll leave it

[8:51] That's not the second one we definitely should take a roll call, but we'll do both.

[8:56] Mick?

[8:57] Yes.

[8:58] Jones?

[8:59] Yes.

[8:59] The meal?

[9:00] Yes.

[9:01] An Andrews?

[9:02] Yes.

[9:03] Okay.

[9:06] So that's approved.

[9:10] Item number five is the consideration of the disbursement of funds for the Straits Area Federal

[9:13] Credit Union.

[9:15] Those funds are 17,517 dollars on 57 cents.

[9:21] On the back page, where it shows those calculated dispersions, it shows a negative 122.25

[9:31] Bridget Brown, our treasurer, has since corrected that.

[9:34] She paid a bill out of this brownfield account that wasn't full of brownfield dollars,

[9:40] so we're making an adjustment on that.

[9:42] So the

[9:48] balance is $24,558.56 in these three figures that are in handwritten and add up to that.

[9:58] So we'll have, at the end of the disbursement of $17,517.57, we will have $5,540.93 in the account.

[10:19] Yes, since we started reimbursing it, it

[10:27] goes up slightly because of the rate of inflation

[10:31] so the tax level value goes up for rate of inflation so they get, they're incrementally

[10:35] going to get a little more each year but you know two to three percent is typically the

[10:41] rate of inflation.

[10:54] We don't get as far as like the new projects that those those dollars will come in at tax

[11:06] element and like at the end of March when we when we settled with the county the county

[11:11] pressure will calculate the tax element and then the kind of

[11:16] pressure disperses that to the city, goes into the account.

[11:23] We're also going to have to manage,

[11:27] at least the city

[11:29] treasurer will have to manage a brown field project for

[11:32] efficient motors.

[11:34] They went through a project that's basically between the

[11:38] property owner and what is now the EGLE was the DQ, the

[11:46] the Department of Environment, great lakes and energy.

[11:52] But this Brownfield Board doesn't have to approve that,

[11:55] but it still goes through the city issue

[11:58] of working, any disbursements.

[12:02] And he got, it was just awarded.

[12:05] He got $249,000 to demo three buildings,

[12:10] and there's some contamination on the former Duffinny

[12:15] property, which was a gas station at one time.

[12:23] I don't know who the owner was, but it was Steve Sinoqua one time.

[12:29] It was Dave Sinoqua last.

[12:39] That's right.

[12:42] He was quite the mechanic Dave Bowers.

[12:52] So what's the state of the state's fund?

[12:55] I mean is there plenty there to reimburse them?

[12:59] for that project?

[13:01] Yeah.

[13:02] Oh yeah.

[13:02] Yeah.

[13:04] They still, they still budget and send us high monies

[13:07] for local projects.

[13:09] There is no money left in the super fund,

[13:12] the so-called super fund for the federal government,

[13:15] EPA fund, that dried up long ago.

[13:18] You

[13:21] know, it came from the intermediate.

[13:23] They stopped asking for this new stuff

[13:25] with the super fund ran out of money.

[13:27] It was funny out of that work.

[13:28] Yeah.

[13:32] So

[13:37] we need the motion for the streets area for the credit union to disperse, $17,057.57.

[13:53] Disperse, $17,000 plus dollars as recommended.

[14:04] Roll call vote.

[14:05] Mick?

[14:06] Yes.

[14:07] Jones?

[14:07] Yes.

[14:08] McNeil?

[14:09] Yes.

[14:09] Andrews.

[14:12] Motion carries.

[14:13] I wish I

[14:20] would have one statement to see its upper standards and do a little bit of money in your perhaps we should have a discussion at some point about policy as to if somebody approached and was wanting to address that money what we would consider and what we wouldn't.

[14:39] So it's a good point, because I don't know if there would be an application process

[14:46] that would come through this board or this board would just simply look at the merits of

[14:51] the project in our own decisions if there's any policy guidance.

[14:58] There's nothing in place.

[15:00] That's another good conversation to have with Mac McClellan. See it, yeah. See it.

[15:08] Yes, absolutely. Good point.

[15:13] Yeah, anyone if you get two good projects? You know, I mean, how do you make any termination?

[15:20] Did you split the monies? Did you go with one? Or, yeah, those are all good questions.

[15:27] Yeah.

[15:32] For Mac and, yeah, yeah, absolutely.

[15:34] Absolutely.

[15:36] Somebody else must have considered that.

[15:39] Oh yeah.

[15:40] Yeah.

[15:40] Oh yeah.

[15:41] Right here.

[15:42] Like to think we had an original thought that probably not.

[15:45] Yeah.

[15:48] Is

[15:52] there anything else I have?

[15:54] I have nothing else.

[15:56] And I don't have my knowledge, anything pending at this point for new ground field projects.

[16:06] But that doesn't mean something's going to happen.

[16:08] Not going to happen here soon.

[16:10] We've got a lot of people.

[16:13] We've got Kevin Schaefer who bought the building on the corner.

[16:19] That building will probably qualify for Brownfield incentives.

[16:23] But he has not applied yet.

[16:24] The big building?

[16:25] Yeah, the former Chinese buffet, the Chinese buffet.

[16:40] Yeah.

[16:41] Round of the corner.

[16:44] The horse.

[16:49] Yeah, there's some there's a couple of units that were renovated. Unfortunately, they didn't

[16:56] get permits to do the electrical upstairs so they're not up to code so they got to redo all the

[17:02] electrical and some of the some of the sky wall that all can carpet up there. Nobody's ever lived up

[17:11] There's two units that are really in pretty good condition,

[17:16] but they couldn't get an occupies occupancy

[17:18] from it, because.

[17:19] Mr. Chairman?

[17:20] Yeah.

[17:21] A couple of things, you know my,

[17:25] I'm just,

[17:25] just for the point now, the $7,000 per year

[17:28] times, the $4,000 per year time was like 28 grand.

[17:32] Can you, is it possible to leverage that

[17:35] as to 1.8 or something does come up

[17:38] where we need a large amount of money

[17:40] that they can go to the bank and borrow against that

[17:43] 7 gram that's a guarantee coming in,

[17:46] a guarantee income?

[17:47] It is, well it isn't us.

[17:49] So it's a bit of a guarantee?

[17:52] Knowing some of that comes from something.

[17:54] If everything falls into place, they can make it 28,

[17:57] so it's seven a year.

[17:58] I'm just throwing it out there for a, yeah.

[18:01] I cannot make it sooner.

[18:03] That's another good question to ask, but yeah, I mean,

[18:05] I mean, and typically we would, you can tap into it so to speak up all along during the process.

[18:13] But typically I think that what it's intended to do is to accumulate all of that money over five years.

[18:21] And then do a project.

[18:24] Yeah, that's something comes up that's, you know, role-mind, you know, it's going to, you know,

[18:27] good to set that option.

[18:30] It's available for that.

[18:31] Probably, you know, it makes sense if you can leverage it.

[18:34] Yeah.

[18:35] And the other thing is just observation, and I'm just, you know, I'm pretty good at time here too,

[18:40] but I've come from, I've come from Mason.

[18:42] I'm just south of Lansing.

[18:43] It's almost the same thing.

[18:44] We went through the same process.

[18:46] We lost a big corporation, and we had to rebuild too.

[18:52] So one thing that is of interest, we already said the downtown development, we have all the

[18:58] issues that, you know, the funding that comes in downtown.

[19:00] But if you just go one block from downtown, and you look at some of the conditions in

[19:05] the houses and things that are there, and we have an issue, I hate to work blank, but that's

[19:10] the reality.

[19:11] But it's blank, my definition, if a group like you guys are a brownstone entity here can

[19:19] to make the address maybe look beyond that

[19:21] because if somebody comes through this town,

[19:23] they just go out Main Street,

[19:25] they go around the streets, the community.

[19:29] And there's these people that have,

[19:33] maybe have money available for people to come at,

[19:37] and borrow that money to use that money

[19:39] to fix up the community outside of the city.

[19:43] Somehow they always get me glad to,

[19:45] you know, you always look at this.

[19:46] Hey, I want to pick my house up,

[19:47] I'm not going to have, you know, dot-town development money, you know.

[19:50] Sure.

[19:51] So, community has missed that sometimes.

[19:53] I know our time did.

[19:55] Our time missed it.

[19:56] There was no, no.

[19:56] They did the downtown, the downtown development, the Main Street came in, it's beautiful.

[20:00] You know, a really nice, operative, you know, nice place to come, busy.

[20:05] But this time there's so much more potential than our work that they have.

[20:08] But the outside, you go to the outside, when everybody, they came, and they, they had to

[20:13] officer and you know put the pressure on everybody clean enough which

[20:18] helped but some of these people don't have the finances to do it so it's just

[20:21] that you can see it we know they don't have the money so I'm just throwing that

[20:25] out there there's some type of you know food for thought you guys can think about it

[20:29] I'm trying to remember town is the problem field require a district or is it just

[20:35] covers the city's voice. It's covers the city's voice. So yeah there were an eligible

[20:39] project out there. Yeah. Take care of the flight. See I don't know if people know. I don't know if they know if anything like this exists.

[20:46] So maybe something they can get the word out and you know we're in, they weren't, you know, for the good of the community.

[20:51] So, didn't the county set up around here? They did. They did. The county has one too?

[20:58] And in earnest is one of the girls. I think, you know, you know, they were talking about the crew.

[21:05] And when the fight was going on, you heard that some of that worker banged in, but maybe

[21:16] somebody was wondering about it.

[21:21] You know, the issue of light is just skin.

[21:25] And I, you know, I haven't, I like to hear on that community a little more discuss that too,

[21:28] is that we don't necessarily, I mean, you know, there's a lot of factors involved.

[21:34] I mentioned that we always used a retired police officer, for example.

[21:38] Well, a police officer is, you know, they do have a mentality that they're going to enforce the law.

[21:42] Some of these people they need more than have the law in force, they need some assistance.

[21:47] Yeah.

[21:47] And so I think if this chief is going to look at, you know, hiring somebody or we're going to hire somebody as a counsel or whatever it might be or how we're going to address it,

[21:55] Just to have somebody with a different background or leave it open to me to social work or something like that

[22:00] Because that's somebody going to address the issue and talk to the person and say, hey, what is I'll come here housefall about, you know

[22:06] What's the deal here?

[22:08] You know, sometimes I say, well, my wife might be dying or just saying, well, whatever the issue might be, it may be deeper than it doesn't

[22:14] It doesn't negate the fact that they're housefalling and they shouldn't take it up

[22:18] But instead of giving them a penalty enough to bad and say, how can we work with an organization?

[22:22] you guys are something to maybe assist in that or help in the process, instead of, you know,

[22:28] giving them the citation and taking the court and going to the house, you know. So just so, you know,

[22:33] things I'm thinking, you know, it's interesting, you know, what's happening here. So, when you use

[22:38] the imagine ability on the corner, you know, the fun he goes right there, well, that's downtown,

[22:42] you know, I'm just going, I guess downtown development. No, I'm a, you know, neighborhood guy,

[22:46] I want to get that deal with itself.

[22:48] Sure.

[22:49] Yeah.

[22:49] Good point.

[22:51] Mr. Second.

[22:56] Thank you.

[22:57] Thank you.

[23:01] No second.

[23:02] I have no other business to deal with.

[23:06] So except the motion to adjourn.

[23:11] We are adjourned.

[23:14] Thank you very much.

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