[0:26] >>coun. Pe}a: welcome, everyone.

[0:29] Today is AUGUST 3rd, 2026.

[0:32] The 15th meeting of the 27th

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[0:35] All councilors are present this

[0:36] evening with councilor lewis

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[1:38] >>coun. Pe}a: welcome back,

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[1:41] >>coun. Champine: thank you,

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[3:51] Councilor grout.

[3:53] >>coun. Grout: thank you, MR.

[3:54] Vice PRESIDENT Champine.

[3:57] My questions are for our

[4:01] legal -- city attorney.

[4:03] ms. Keefe, in the past several

[4:06] months the council, through our

[4:08] counsel, have reached out to the

[4:11] city attorney's office for

[4:13] updates in different matters

[4:14] which this council has been

[4:15] involved.

[4:16] Answers to these questions were

[4:18] delayed for months, and when our

[4:20] counsel reached out again you

[4:22] responded if questions they

[4:25] should reach out to me directly.

[4:28] This isn't really how we've done

[4:29] things.

[4:30] Council has staff that is used

[4:32] to act on our behalf and help us

[4:33] to do our job.

[4:36] When our staff or our council

[4:38] reaches out we expect the city

[4:39] attorney understands this

[4:42] request is coming from us and

[4:43] respond appropriately,

[4:45] professionally and in a timely

[4:45] manner.

[4:48] Based on this, I have several

[4:49] questions.

[4:53] Why is there pushback to

[4:54] councillor questions about

[4:56] pending litigation?

[4:58] If your decisions give rise to

[5:00] litigation, we deserve to know

[5:02] how the cases are proceeding.

[5:03] >> council PRESIDENT, councilor

[5:06] grout, in the past up until this

[5:08] year, when councilors had

[5:09] questions they have approached

[5:12] me directly.

[5:13] This isn't new.

[5:14] I have concerns about this

[5:15] procedure.

[5:18] I do think it is better if I am

[5:21] able to engage with councilors

[5:22] directly.

[5:25] In order to facilitate

[5:26] communications between council

[5:30] and legal I asked to set up

[5:33] for -- sometime ago, I don't

[5:35] remember exactly how long, those

[5:37] were no longer scheduled.

[5:39] That was not at my request.

[5:42] i think there's a perception,

[5:43] that's not at my request.

[5:45] My perception is they're

[5:46] cancelled.

[5:48] I would be happy to continue

[5:49] communication with council.

[5:51] I would very much want to

[5:52] continue communications with

[5:54] council and provide updates.

[5:56] I was hoping to provide more of

[5:58] a written update during the

[5:59] break.

[6:02] I do apologize for the delay.

[6:05] It is my intent to continue

[6:07] communications with council.

[6:12] I think as has happened in the

[6:14] first four years I've been here,

[6:15] I think communication should be

[6:17] between my department and

[6:18] councilors.

[6:20] >>coun. Grout: okay.

[6:21] How do you process requests for

[6:23] information from the council or

[6:24] council staff?

[6:26] >> so, again, in the four and a

[6:28] half years I've been here, we

[6:31] get calls for councilors to work

[6:32] on ordinances.

[6:35] We get call for updates.

[6:37] And those are -- if they come

[6:39] directly to me, I determine

[6:40] whether I'm going to respond or

[6:41] whether I'm going to have

[6:43] someone on my staff respond and

[6:47] I try to get back to them.

[6:48] >>coun. Grout: do you have -- I

[6:52] think we need a real clear path

[6:55] forward and we need to be very

[6:56] timely.

[6:57] Can we set up a process so that

[6:58] does happen?

[7:00] >> council PRESIDENT, councilor

[7:03] grout, that's exactly what I'd

[7:03] like.

[7:04] That's what I tried to do

[7:05] previously.

[7:06] I think there needs to be a

[7:07] clear process.

[7:09] Including communications in both

[7:09] directions.

[7:10] >>coun. Grout: okay.

[7:15] Thank you.

[7:16] >>coun. Champine: councilor

[7:16] baca.

[7:19] >>coun. Baca: thank you, MADAM

[7:19] PRESIDENT.

[7:34] This is for director sanchez.

[7:35] Thank you, director.

[7:37] We had a lot of folks calling

[7:40] and emailing about food prices

[7:42] going up at the senior have.

[7:45] I know during the budget we

[7:50] talked about the a la cart items

[7:51] were going to be taken off.

[7:52] Which we understand.

[7:56] I thought we covered no more

[7:57] prices were going to be

[7:58] increased.

[7:58] Can you cover this?

[8:00] I know it's not just district

[8:01] two hearing this.

[8:03] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor

[8:04] baca thank you for the

[8:04] opportunity.

[8:07] I want to give you a little

[8:09] perspective on our breakfast

[8:10] program in general.

[8:13] Our pricing on our breakfast

[8:14] program has not been adjusted in

[8:15] more than 20 years.

[8:16] That's a significant amount of

[8:17] time.

[8:18] When we dpan

[8:22] began we did a fiscal

[8:23] analysis.

[8:24] Always keeping affordability at

[8:26] the forefront for the seniors.

[8:28] We did deep dive this program

[8:31] how it operated and functioned

[8:34] with a la carte items that we

[8:34] offered.

[8:36] The new menu prices are now as

[8:39] low as a dollar to our most

[8:45] costly specialty meals of huevo

[8:48] rancheros of $5 twice a week.

[8:50] Even with adjustments the

[8:52] department is subsidizing a

[8:54] third of the cost for every meal

[8:54] prepared.

[8:58] No one can dede

[9:00] ny our meals are

[9:03] most affordable anywhere.

[9:04] Additionally, we are -- just to

[9:06] give you an update working on a

[9:07] qualifying program for the

[9:09] seniors that MAY truly be in

[9:11] need and have financial

[9:11] hardship.

[9:13] That way we can also fully

[9:14] subsidize that meal for them.

[9:18] That's just the overall update

[9:20] on the program and most recently

[9:21] on friday from the feedback we

[9:23] learned over the last three

[9:27] weeks, we did send out a revised

[9:30] menu that received very positive

[9:31] feedback.

[9:32] >>coun. Baca: anybody else?

[9:33] I'm good.

[9:35] Thank you.

[9:36] >>coun. Champine: councilor

[9:36] rogers.

[9:37] >>coun. Rogers: thank you, MR.

[9:38] Vice PRESIDENT.

[9:41] My questions are for several

[9:42] directors.

[9:43] I would love for all of you to

[9:46] come up at the same time.

[9:51] Director of solid waste, MR.

[9:52] Gallegos.

[9:52] Transit, keener.

[9:56] Code enforcement, either alan

[10:00] varela or kiezner.

[10:02] Gsb, MR. Duran.

[10:04] Parks and rec, MR. Simon.

[10:07] Thank you.

[10:10] I have several questions.

[10:12] I want to do an exploration of

[10:16] who is responsible for what in

[10:18] our community when it comes to

[10:20] cleanliness and litter.

[10:23] So, I will ask MR. Cornelius to

[10:27] put up some pictures for me.

[10:28] This is because I've been

[10:31] studying our litter ordinance.

[10:33] And I often reach out to

[10:34] different departments based on

[10:36] things that need to be cleaned

[10:37] in my district.

[10:39] I just want to run through some

[10:41] picture and see who is

[10:43] responsible for this in our

[10:43] neighborhood.

[10:46] Who would be responsible for --

[10:49] what would we do about that?

[10:51] >> actually, solid waste would

[10:52] pick that up.

[10:55] If it was a large item pick up.

[10:55] >>coun. Rogers: thank you,

[10:57] community members call 311 if

[10:59] they see that and you go and

[11:01] pick up that mattress?

[11:01] >> correct.

[11:02] >>coun. Rogers: is there a

[11:03] process for community members to

[11:05] do that ahead of time before

[11:07] they -- this is also education

[11:08] for the community, not just us

[11:11] to learn about how we do this.

[11:14] Bear with me, folks, while we go

[11:15] through the fun exercise today.

[11:17] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor

[11:20] rogers, they call 311 the night

[11:22] before the pickup to let us know

[11:23] they have a large item pickup.

[11:27] >>coun. Rogers: thank you, MR.

[11:27] Gallegos.

[11:29] This is louisiana going towards

[11:30] gibson.

[11:33] We have installed barricades for

[11:35] bike lanes, but they're trashed,

[11:37] as you can see.

[11:39] Who would pick that trash up and

[11:45] fix that?

[11:45] Transit.

[11:47] >> MADAM Chair, councilor

[11:51] rogers, that's going to be

[11:52] dmd.

[11:53] >>coun. Rogers: this is exactly

[11:56] what I was hoping for.

[11:58] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor

[11:59] rogers, yes.

[12:02] That would be -- if any

[12:03] constituent has a concern about

[12:06] things that are improperly

[12:08] barricaded, I recommend 311 and

[12:10] we'll send someone out

[12:10] immediately.

[12:12] As far as the repairs that are

[12:14] needed to the bicycle

[12:16] infrastructure, that would also

[12:17] be my department.

[12:19] That's my traffic engineering

[12:19] division.

[12:21] Again, 311 is the fastest way to

[12:23] get to it.

[12:24] Unfortunately, as councilor

[12:25] fiebelkorn knows, the faster we

[12:27] put up bike infrastructure the

[12:29] faster drivers hit it.

[12:30] You have to bear with us.

[12:32] We're actually looking right now

[12:36] at some more albuquerque driver

[12:38] safe bicycle infrastructure to

[12:40] find out what works here.

[12:40] Because sometimes things that

[12:42] work in other cities don't work

[12:43] here.

[12:45] We're working on standard

[12:45] specifications.

[12:48] Yes, tell us at 311 and we'll

[12:49] send folks out.

[12:51] Again, the barricading in

[12:53] particular we try to get folk

[12:55] outz same day.

[12:55] >>coun. Rogers: thank you.

[12:58] This requires someone to let us

[12:59] know it's in this condition.

[13:01] I would say from looking at this

[13:04] condition it hopefully saved a

[13:04] biker.

[13:06] To your point, look for

[13:08] something that's a little more

[13:09] durable so your department isn't

[13:11] working

[13:11] ing

[13:12] ing running around fixing

[13:13] this.

[13:14] For my district, this adds to

[13:17] the disrepair that quite frankly

[13:19] I am sick of living in.

[13:20] Straight up.

[13:22] That's why we're going through

[13:23] this exercise today.

[13:26] Next picture, MR. Cornelius.

[13:26] How about this?

[13:29] Trash day, who is in charge of

[13:33] this after tracks -- trash

[13:34] pickup?

[13:35] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor

[13:37] rogers, this came from an

[13:38] individual's trash can?

[13:39] >>coun. Rogers: yes.

[13:40] After trash day.

[13:42] I watched -- I was out in my

[13:44] hood just seeing how it goes.

[13:46] I'm always out in my hood.

[13:48] And saw them dump it, but there

[13:50] was some stuff left over that

[13:51] accidently fell out.

[13:53] In this case, who fixes that?

[13:56] >> actually, we rely on the

[13:58] residents to pick up some of the

[14:00] trash that's blown out of the

[14:01] trash can.

[14:04] >>coun. Rogers: oh, got it.

[14:08] Public, if it happens that your

[14:11] trash bin, it's your

[14:12] responsibility.

[14:13] >> our drivers are only allowed

[14:15] to pick up the trash cans from

[14:16] the truck.

[14:17] >>coun. Rogers: they're not

[14:18] getting out of the car and

[14:19] sweeping this up.

[14:19] Okay.

[14:21] That helps a lot.

[14:23] Next picture, MR. Cornelius.

[14:24] What about this one?

[14:27] This is between a parking lot

[14:30] and pizza hut on central and

[14:32] wyoming that is now closed.

[14:39] Who is responsible for that?

[14:40] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor

[14:43] rogers, that is code

[14:45] enforcement's response.

[14:48] For those ones dealing with --

[14:54] we'd have to annotate that.

[14:57] That would fall under pizza

[14:58] hut's responsibility.

[15:00] >>coun. Rogers: thank you, MADAM

[15:00] PRESIDENT.

[15:02] People have gone because it's

[15:02] closed.

[15:04] In that case, you tell them and

[15:05] leave it like that until they

[15:06] come and do it?

[15:08] >> councilor rogers, there's a

[15:11] process that we hold the

[15:15] property owners accountable.

[15:16] we follow due process in order

[15:17] to do it.

[15:19] If the property owner is

[15:21] unwilling or unenable to do it,

[15:22] there's other measures we employ

[15:24] to get the items cleaned up.

[15:26] >>coun. Rogers: thank you, MADAM

[15:27] PRESIDENT we would leave it like

[15:29] this while you go through your

[15:31] six to year process?

[15:33] Who cleans it in the meantime?

[15:35] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor

[15:37] rogers, for that one?

[15:39] >>coun. Rogers: yeah.

[15:41] >> the due process entails, it's

[15:42] a two-week notification.

[15:43] We allow the property owner time

[15:45] to make corrections before we go

[15:47] in and institute anything toward

[15:49] a lien on the property for

[15:50] services rendered.

[15:51] >>coun. Rogers: thank you, MADAM

[15:51] PRESIDENT.

[15:53] You would hire someone to clean

[15:54] it up or would you call solid

[15:55] waste and we charge them?

[15:57] How does that work?

[15:58] >> councilor rogers, for that

[16:01] for the cleaning, we initiate

[16:03] procedures through solid waste

[16:03] through the clean.

[16:05] The solid waste will initiate

[16:07] the clean and get it scheduled

[16:09] for the cleanup.

[16:11] And we'll bill the property

[16:13] owners for the services

[16:13] rendered.

[16:14] >>coun. Rogers: how long does

[16:16] that take, you think?

[16:20] >> that one --

[16:21] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor

[16:23] rogers, we don't have a backlog

[16:24] on the cleaning.

[16:26] We try to get to them within

[16:28] that week if we can.

[16:30] Most of the time, it might take

[16:31] another week.

[16:32] Because we have some scheduled

[16:33] out.

[16:33] >>coun. Rogers: okay.

[16:35] this is on the list, I hope.

[16:37] I have been calling about this

[16:38] one for quite sometime.

[16:39] >> I have to look at the

[16:40] records.

[16:43] I really couldn't tell you.

[16:43] >>coun. Rogers: thank you.

[16:46] Next picture, MR. Cornelius.

[16:47] I'm sorry, there's so many.

[16:49] I'm trying to stay under the ten

[16:50] minutes.

[16:51] But there's so much in my

[16:53] district that's in disrepair.

[16:55] I have so many questions.

[16:58] Next one, MR. Cornelius.

[16:58] Okay.

[16:58] Yes.

[16:59] This one.

[17:00] This is good.

[17:04] This one says, a litter crew is

[17:05] at work.

[17:09] I only see these trucks on the

[17:10] highway.

[17:12] Can you tell me if we have any

[17:12] trucks like this for the

[17:14] neighborhoods?

[17:16] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor

[17:16] rogers, yes.

[17:18] That is a highway truck.

[17:20] We do have crews that go through

[17:22] the major thoroughfares of the

[17:23] city only.

[17:25] Unless there's a community

[17:28] that's been employed by the

[17:28] planning department.

[17:30] >>coun. Rogers: thank you.

[17:33] How often do those general

[17:35] neighborhood litter crews --

[17:36] I've never seen one in district

[17:39] six in that truck.

[17:41] I put it out trash on monday and

[17:42] you get it.

[17:45] Is there a predictable schedule

[17:46] for that?

[17:47] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor

[17:49] rogers, it takes four to five

[17:50] weeks to cycle in their

[17:51] districts.

[17:54] We have districts through the

[17:55] medians to come back and touch

[17:56] another medians.

[17:57] >>coun. Rogers: that's just

[17:59] medians so not other parts of

[18:00] the neighborhood?

[18:01] >> correct.

[18:02] >>coun. Rogers: medians and

[18:03] street scapes.

[18:05] I'm working on litter ordinance.

[18:06] This is research.

[18:09] Your department is only median

[18:11] and street scapes.

[18:11] Thank you.

[18:12] MR. Whelan.

[18:15] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor

[18:17] rogers, that's part of our clean

[18:18] city's crew.

[18:20] But we also deploy up to eight

[18:22] trucks throughout districts,

[18:24] your district is almost every

[18:25] day, where they do go through

[18:29] the streets and pickup litter,

[18:30] remove feces.

[18:32] And if there's what we consider

[18:33] illegal dumping, where somebody

[18:35] had an encampment and left and

[18:36] leave all the trash behind --

[18:39] >>coun. Rogers: I see

[18:39] inencampment cleanup people,

[18:42] trust me.

[18:43] Sgli.

[18:44] >> they do cleanup of things

[18:45] left behind.

[18:47] I was in your district today,

[18:50] and I saw tennessee where people

[18:50] left.

[18:53] One of the trucks that usually

[18:55] does the cleanup was there and

[18:57] they stopped and picked it up.

[19:00] It was clean within that moment.

[19:01] Within an hour there could be

[19:02] more.

[19:03] >>coun. Rogers: thank you.

[19:05] There's one more video I want to

[19:05] show.

[19:08] This one is a doozy.

[19:12] I think it's the video of the

[19:12] shoes.

[19:16] My pet peeve is shoes on the

[19:18] power lines.

[19:20] I think I've interacted with

[19:21] every department except maybe

[19:22] transit.

[19:24] This one is more towards transit

[19:28] and our construction site at the

[19:28] international district library.

[19:30] I think that's a mix between

[19:33] transit and parks, if I'm not

[19:34] mistaken.

[19:36] That one is -- that bus stop is

[19:38] always in disrepair.

[19:39] I think I know who is

[19:41] responsible for the transit

[19:41] ones.

[19:44] When it comes to our

[19:46] construction site and the litter

[19:50] that's around that gate, who

[19:53] does that?

[19:55] General contractors?

[19:56] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor

[19:58] rogers, are you referring to a

[19:59] city project?

[20:01] >>coun. Rogers: that is a city

[20:01] project.

[20:03] The id library park.

[20:05] Next to the id library.

[20:09] It's the fencing encompassing --

[20:11] sometimes inside the fencing and

[20:12] outside the fencing.

[20:14] >> I think it's going to be the

[20:16] contractor that has the permit

[20:17] for that facility.

[20:17] >>coun. Rogers: if it's inside

[20:22] the gates?

[20:24] If it's outside had

[20:30] gates, who does that?

[20:33] >> I guess we need more

[20:35] specifics on the locations.

[20:38] If it's out on the sidewalk into

[20:40] the street, we're reliable.

[20:42] At the same time, it's the

[20:44] contractor to address their

[20:44] location.

[20:45] >>coun. Rogers: thank you, MADAM

[20:45] PRESIDENT.

[20:50] For the last video, to drive

[20:53] home we need to work on litter

[20:53] ordinance.

[20:57] I am sick of living in filth in

[20:59] my neighborhood.

[21:00] I am done.

[21:03] i have to use my council set

[21:07] aside to pay a contractor, red

[21:08] shovel, to clean the safe route

[21:13] to school for wilson and woodier

[21:15] schools because we as a team

[21:17] haven't been able to get this

[21:17] together.

[21:19] I'll reach out to you with a

[21:21] draft of the ordinance with how

[21:22] to make this better.

[21:24] I am done living in filth in my

[21:25] district.

[21:26] It's not just unsheltered

[21:27] people.

[21:30] I watched people in benzs

[21:31] throwing out stuff from the car,

[21:34] I watched grandmas doing it, and

[21:35] kids doing it.

[21:37] I watched unsheltered do it.

[21:39] We don't have enough officers

[21:42] for 911 calls in my district.

[21:43] I know we're not proactively

[21:46] policing littering.

[21:47] I am over it.

[21:49] Roll that beautiful shoot

[21:53] footage, garret, for me.

[21:54] I'll send it to you.

[21:55] It's beautiful.

[21:57] There's about 50 shoes on the

[21:58] power lines.

[22:00] I reached out to code

[22:03] enforcement, pnm, and reached

[22:04] out to everybody.

[22:05] This is an indicator.

[22:06] It's not a joke.

[22:11] These are indicators of people

[22:13] being able to get drugs.

[22:14] I want them down.

[22:15] Everywhere in my district.

[22:16] I don't want to see them.

[22:18] I want us to have a proactive

[22:20] way to get them down whether we

[22:21] have to partner with whoever

[22:23] line they belong to.

[22:26] We should figure this out as a

[22:27] city.

[22:29] I invite you to a meeting to

[22:30] discuss changes to the litter

[22:33] ordinance before I drop it so I

[22:35] we can work as a team to fix

[22:36] this once and for all.

[22:38] I'm done living in filth.

[22:41] Thank you, MADAM PRESIDENT.

[22:42] >>coun. Champine: councilor

[22:46] telles.

[22:47] >>coun. Telles: thank you, MR.

[22:48] Vice PRESIDENT.

[22:51] I have a few questions for the

[22:55] admin for director sandoval and

[22:59] I don't know if director mar

[22:59] teen

[23:00] teens is here

[23:03] director martinez is to here or

[23:04] not.

[23:05] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor

[23:07] telles, I didn't hear you.

[23:08] >>coun. Telles: are you filling

[23:12] in for director martinez?

[23:15] Cfo?

[23:15] I'm sorry.

[23:18] Man, I need to clean my glasses.

[23:23] I'm sorry.

[23:24] 6-year-old fingerprints all

[23:34] over.

[23:35] Good evening.

[23:36] I have a couple questions for

[23:36] you.

[23:38] Thank you so much.

[23:43] I wanted to talk to you a little

[23:47] bit about the omb proposed rule

[23:49] overhaul of the uniform guidance

[23:52] at the federal level.

[23:53] For those individuals who might

[23:56] not know what's going on, the

[23:59] federal omb has proposed some

[24:02] rule changes to the uniform of

[24:05] guidance for federal award

[24:05] recipients.

[24:09] And in short, essentially, we're

[24:11] waiting for what the omb is

[24:14] going to do with regards to our

[24:17] uniform guidance and federal

[24:17] grants.

[24:20] The guidance that's being

[24:21] proposed is -- would make the

[24:23] guidance finding.

[24:26] It would add political

[24:29] pre-issuance review of grants.

[24:30] Expand agencies ability to

[24:33] terminate awards at any time.

[24:35] this is at a very compressed

[24:36] time period.

[24:38] I think we were scrambling when

[24:39] this came out.

[24:41] It was basically -- it was

[24:43] published the end of MAY and

[24:45] gave us a 45-day window to

[24:48] provide our comments.

[24:51] I know we provided -- council

[24:52] comments on our end.

[24:54] Thank you for sharing your

[24:56] comments as well.

[24:59] My concern is, given the rule,

[25:01] we expected it to be finalized

[25:04] by OCTOBER 1st, and we have

[25:07] quite a few

[25:11] discretionary federal grants

[25:13] that could be affected if this

[25:15] rule goes into effect either in

[25:17] whole or in part.

[25:18] I am especially concerned about

[25:20] the potential discretionary

[25:21] termination without appeal.

[25:24] That puts about -- from what I

[25:26] was able to identify, about

[25:29] $26.7 million in federal grants

[25:32] at risk of disappearing mid-year

[25:33] with zero notice requirement or

[25:33] no appeal.

[25:38] I'm curious what you're doing at

[25:41] the moment -- does the city have

[25:43] a stabilization plan or model

[25:45] scenario where if an active

[25:49] federal grant is terminated or

[25:51] delayed, and what reserve or

[25:52] contingency funding would cover

[25:54] that gap for these fy27

[25:58] programs?

[26:00] >> council PRESIDENT, councilor

[26:02] telles, like you said, we had a

[26:06] very short window to respond.

[26:08] I'm also a member of one of the

[26:10] committee for gfoa.

[26:12] They received -- omb received

[26:15] over 500,000 comments.

[26:18] The response we gave and had a

[26:22] separate one with gfoa is extend

[26:23] the period for implementation to

[26:26] change policy and procedures and

[26:27] get us prepared.

[26:29] just saying it's OCTOBER 1st,

[26:32] 2026 is not enough time.

[26:33] That would be the best thing.

[26:38] Not just for us, for any other

[26:39] affected branch.

[26:41] >>coun. Telles: thank you, MS.

[26:41] Sandoval.

[26:43] I understand that would be the

[26:44] best thing.

[26:46] I don't anticipate that it's

[26:48] actually going to happen, given

[26:49] the direction of the federal

[26:51] government right now.

[26:53] And what this omb director has

[26:56] done when it comes down to cfcb

[26:59] rules and regulations they have

[27:00] cut.

[27:02] Again, this kit was pretty much

[27:04] caught me off-guard because they

[27:07] just updated rules to uniform

[27:08] guidance.

[27:10] They generally don't do that

[27:12] unless it's every five years.

[27:15] For them to do it a year later,

[27:17] you know, it's surprising.

[27:20] I have been in contact with

[27:23] dfa's local government division.

[27:26] To ask if they're providing any

[27:30] guidance to local governments

[27:34] before OCTOBER 1st.

[27:37] I anticipate that some type of

[27:39] final rule will likely be

[27:40] published on OCTOBER 1st.

[27:44] My question here is do we have

[27:49] any sort of plans for

[27:50] stabilizing the federal awards

[27:52] that we get here?

[27:53] These are going to be block

[27:54] grants.

[27:55] These are going to be

[27:56] discretionary grants.

[27:58] These are formula grants.

[28:00] The majority of these grants are

[28:02] going to hit hhh pretty hard.

[28:05] That just means we're going to

[28:09] lose services if these

[28:11] discretionary grants are pulled.

[28:14] And again, these can be pulled

[28:16] for any reason based on the

[28:17] rules.

[28:19] my question, again, is are you

[28:23] developing or have a plan to

[28:26] develop any sort of

[28:28] stabilization -- federal funding

[28:29] stabilization plan for these

[28:32] grants that MAY be affected?

[28:35] >> MADAM Chair, councilor

[28:38] telles, I think there have been

[28:40] ongoing conversations, frankly,

[28:41] since this administration has

[28:43] been in office because there

[28:48] have been concerns over time

[28:49] related to different grants.

[28:52] So, there have been questions

[28:54] posed to all the departments

[28:57] about their funding and what

[28:59] would be their contingency

[29:00] plans.

[29:01] I think this is just another

[29:03] part of those ongoing

[29:04] conversations that we've been

[29:05] having.

[29:07] >>coun. Telles: thank you, cfo.

[29:09] Does that mean you are putting

[29:14] together a stabilization plan?

[29:16] >> MADAM Chair, councilor

[29:18] telles, I guess without knowing

[29:20] what you mean by stabilization

[29:22] plan -- I think what I'm saying

[29:24] is we had ongoing conversations

[29:26] with the departments about if

[29:28] they lost federal funding what

[29:29] would be their plan to ensure

[29:32] they would be able to continue

[29:32] services.

[29:34] >>coun. Telles: thank you, MADAM

[29:34] Cfo.

[29:35] Are you leaving it up to the

[29:38] department to come up with a

[29:39] contingency plan for their

[29:41] federal awards?

[29:43] Are you providing guidance as

[29:45] the tone at the top for the

[29:47] directors and their fiscal

[29:53] officers in each department?

[29:55] I'm trying to understand if the

[29:57] city can provide department by

[29:59] department inventory of what

[30:01] federal discretionary awards

[30:03] that the city administers, what

[30:05] that total amount might be, what

[30:07] the funding agency is, what the

[30:10] award period is, if we're up for

[30:12] renewal or continuation, what

[30:15] these awards are, how many are

[30:16] discretion.

[30:19] I think we need to have an idea

[30:22] of what it looks like -- what

[30:24] our picture looks like for the

[30:26] awards that we get that fund our

[30:26] work.

[30:28] I know we have several programs

[30:32] in hhh in particular that are

[30:34] 100% funded by federal awards.

[30:38] So, if that award gets --

[30:42] disappears mid.

[30:43] -year with zero

[30:45] notice and no appeal, what are

[30:47] we going to do about that?

[30:49] I personally identified, with

[30:52] the help of our awesome team,

[30:57] 26.7 million at risk right now.

[30:58] You know, what's the plan?

[31:00] Are we doing anything to say,

[31:03] okay, if this happens, let's say

[31:05] worst case scenario, OCTOBER

[31:09] 1st, these proposed rules by omb

[31:12] go into effect on OCTOBER 1st,

[31:15] and now these federal agencies

[31:17] that provide us these awards,

[31:19] whether they're direct awards,

[31:21] whether they're pass through

[31:23] grants or federal awards,

[31:28] whether we have subrecipient

[31:31] monitoring we have to deal with.

[31:34] What happens if they get pulled?

[31:36] What is our continuity plan?

[31:37] What are we going to do if we

[31:39] lose, at minimum, 27

[31:41] $27 million?

[31:42] >> MADAM Chair, councilor

[31:45] telles, as I said, when this

[31:46] administration came into office

[31:49] we did an inventory of all of

[31:51] our federal grants in

[31:52] collaboration with the

[31:52] departments.

[31:54] We're not leaving it up to the

[31:57] departments, but they them are

[31:59] the experts as to what funding

[32:01] they're receiving and what that

[32:02] funding is being used for.

[32:05] We're happy to go back and

[32:06] pinpoint these ones as it

[32:11] relates to this much

[32:11] transaction.

[32:12] But this is something we've been

[32:14] looking at and talking about for

[32:15] quite sometime.

[32:17] Even before I was cfo.

[32:18] These conversations were

[32:19] happening.

[32:19] >>coun. Telles: that's great to

[32:20] hear.

[32:21] Thank you so much.

[32:22] I would respectfully request,

[32:24] MADAM PRESIDENT, if possible, I

[32:26] would like to -- I have some

[32:28] more questions I can send over

[32:30] to you offline that you can

[32:33] review so we know what reserve

[32:33] funds we have.

[32:35] I'm wondering what reserve funds

[32:36] we have.

[32:38] Any bridge financing.

[32:40] What type of reolication

[32:42] authority we might have to

[32:45] sustain these services if a

[32:47] major grant is suspended or

[32:49] pulled without notice.

[32:50] MADAM PRESIDENT, respectfully, I

[32:54] would love to add -- request

[32:56] that we include a presentation

[33:00] from your office -- from you --

[33:02] about what type of

[33:05] stabilizations we have so we can

[33:06] know, you know, what is going to

[33:08] happen if there's a sudden loss

[33:12] of this federal discretionary

[33:12] funding.

[33:17] Because potentially this has

[33:19] impact on transit, vouchers,

[33:22] behavioral health contracts,

[33:23] aviation grants.

[33:25] I think we need to be prepared

[33:29] to backfill these if, again,

[33:31] worst case scenario, that

[33:33] happens on OCTOBER 1st.

[33:34] We don't know.

[33:36] We don't know what the omb is

[33:37] going to do.

[33:38] We don't know what the federal

[33:41] government is going to do.

[33:43] But because we don't know what

[33:44] they're going to do it's even

[33:48] more imperative that we have a

[33:51] stabilization continuity plan.

[33:53] I'm happy to send that

[33:54] information and questions to

[33:54] you.

[33:56] I would love to have a

[34:01] presentation from you all.

[34:02] >> council PRESIDENT, we submit

[34:05] a grant report to council.

[34:06] We also prepared it for the

[34:09] audit every year.

[34:10] That's audited.

[34:13] We'd be happy to do it.

[34:14] >>coun. Telles: thank you.

[34:16] I appreciate it.

[34:17] >>coun. Champine: hold on for

[34:19] one second, lady.

[34:19] Councilor rogers.

[34:20] >>coun. Rogers: thank you.

[34:21] I have a follow up.

[34:23] I also wanted to see if we could

[34:25] collaborate as a team, as the

[34:27] city of albuquerque, because I

[34:28] think the administration is

[34:29] setting one set of comments,

[34:33] we're sending another set of

[34:33] comments.

[34:36] So far that I've seen, they

[34:39] haven't been differing but

[34:40] there's different points and

[34:42] pages we want to highlight based

[34:45] on expertise from our

[34:45] colleagues.

[34:46] I think it would be good if we

[34:48] can all get on the same page and

[34:49] we're saying the same thing to

[34:51] our congressional delegation.

[34:53] I'm sending them information.

[34:53] I know councilor telles and

[34:56] councilor fiebelkorn is sending

[34:56] them information.

[34:58] I think it would just be good

[35:00] for the city of albuquerque as a

[35:00] whole.

[35:02] One albuquerque spirit that

[35:03] we're communicating these

[35:04] important things.

[35:06] I think having a list and having

[35:07] the audits are good.

[35:08] I think what councilor telles is

[35:12] asking for is a contingency

[35:12] plan.

[35:14] Same as I asked for when this

[35:17] administration took office, not

[35:19] mayor, but the federal

[35:21] administration, on what our

[35:23] grants -- like what is the list?

[35:24] You're able to pull that

[35:24] together.

[35:27] Should we lose funding, what is

[35:28] our plan together?

[35:29] As the appropriating body and

[35:31] the executing of the budget, how

[35:34] do we work together as a team to

[35:35] replace that funding?

[35:36] I think for me that's the most

[35:37] important thing, especially that

[35:40] we have some officers on federal

[35:43] funding for their positions.

[35:45] We need to have a plan.

[35:48] I just wanted to echo that.

[35:49] Thank you.

[35:49] >>coun. Champine: thank you,

[35:50] councilor rogers.

[35:52] MADAM PRESIDENT, I just have one

[35:52] question.

[35:54] It's for the cao.

[35:57] I know it's past 5:30.

[36:01] Is there any plans on -- we

[36:02] haven't received quarter two,

[36:05] quarter three, or quarter four

[36:06] of the litigation reports.

[36:08] Is there any plans?

[36:10] I know we sent several emails.

[36:12] Are there any plans to send

[36:12] those eventually?

[36:15] >> MADAM PRESIDENT --

[36:17] >>coun. Champine: I'm sorry,

[36:18] quarter of '25.

[36:20] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor

[36:22] champine, I would ask city

[36:24] attorney to respond as reports

[36:25] come directly from the city

[36:27] attorney's office.

[36:28] >> we do have the reports up to

[36:29] date.

[36:36] They're ready to circulate into

[36:36] docusign.

[36:38] >>coun. Champine: there ready --

[36:42] I'm sorry, I meant '26.

[36:43] Not '25.

[36:44] >> yes.

[36:46] I'm about to get the next

[36:48] quarter next week.

[36:50] The three quarters -- I'm

[36:52] sorry -- I'm not sure I can

[36:54] think through the quarters.

[36:56] I'm up to date through the

[36:57] quarters and I'll get another

[36:58] one next week.

[37:00] Whatever that most recent

[37:02] quarter is is done and ready to

[37:06] send to docusign.

[37:08] >>coun. Champine: they will be

[37:09] released before next council

[37:09] meeting?

[37:14] >> yes, once they go into docu

[37:15] sign is just days.

[37:16] >> weicide send them down

[37:18] ?

[37:19] >> we would send them down the

[37:21] next time we send legislation

[37:23] which would be next tuesday.

[37:25] >>coun. Champine: noted.

[37:26] Councilor grout.

[37:27] >>coun. Grout: I just wanted to

[37:28] follow up.

[37:29] How come we haven't gotten the

[37:33] ones before?

[37:35] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor

[37:37] grout, we have been working on a

[37:41] new system for getting those

[37:41] out.

[37:43] There have been some staffing

[37:45] changes in my office and we've

[37:46] been trying to get a new system.

[37:48] I think we now have it set.

[37:53] Those have been delayed as a

[37:56] result.

[37:58] >>coun. Champine: perfect.

[37:59] MADAM PRESIDENT.

[38:00] >>coun. Pe}a: thank you, vice

[38:01] PRESIDENT Champine.

[38:04] We're now on item 15, other

[38:04] business.

[38:08] executive session pursuant to

[38:10] nmsa1978 section 10-15-1,

[38:12] discussion of limited personnel

[38:14] matter pertaining to the

[38:16] inspector general investigation

[38:19] of our city attorney.

[38:22] We need a roll call vote to go

[38:24] into special session.

[38:26] [Roll call].

[38:28] >>coun. Baca: yes.

[38:30] >>coun. Bassan: yes.

[38:32] >>coun. Champine: yes.

[38:35] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: yes.

[38:36] >>coun. Grout: yes.

[38:40] >>coun. Lewis: yes.

[38:42] >>coun. Rogers: yes.

[38:44] >>coun. Telles: yes.

[38:44] >>coun. Pe}a: yes.

[38:46] >> passes unanimously.

[39:13] >>coun. Pe}a: we're back.

[39:15] I affirm that the matters

[39:16] discussed in the executive

[39:19] session were limited to those

[39:20] specified in the motion for

[39:22] closure.

[39:24] Now, we're on item three,

[39:26] proclamations and presentations.

[39:27] This will be vice PRESIDENT

[39:28] Champine.

[39:29] >>coun. Champine: thank you,

[39:30] MADAM PRESIDENT.

[39:31] Councilor fiebelkorn.

[39:32] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: thank you,

[39:33] MR. Vice PRESIDENT Champine.

[39:36] We have a presentation tonight

[39:39] on our move and mentor program

[39:40] that councilor bassan is in the

[39:41] lead on.

[39:44] And I have been supportive.

[39:48] It will be from MS. Karen anale

[39:50] director of housing efficiency.

[39:52] And lauren gallegos from

[39:54] catholic charities.

[39:55] If they can come on down.

[39:57] We asked them to give a quick

[39:59] update on the program that

[40:02] council funded and how

[40:05] incredibly successful it's been

[40:07] in its first couple months.

[40:09] >> good evening, councilors.

[40:11] i'm the director of housing and

[40:13] self-efficiency at catholic

[40:13] charity.

[40:14] Thank you for the opportunity to

[40:15] speak with you today.

[40:17] I'm here to share the impacted

[40:19] of two city funded initiatives

[40:23] made possible through our

[40:24] support.

[40:27] I especially like to thank

[40:28] councilor bassan and councilor

[40:28] fiebelkorn.

[40:29] And everyone who helped bring

[40:30] these programs to life.

[40:34] Your investment is making a very

[40:35] meaningful difference.

[40:37] Between JANUARY and JUNE 2026

[40:39] catholic charities received

[40:41] funding to launch these

[40:42] programs.

[40:44] $300,000 was provided as direct

[40:45] financial assistance to

[40:47] households that were in crisis.

[40:50] During that time we received 807

[40:51] applications for assistance and

[40:54] helped 238 households with past

[40:56] due rent, move in cost and

[40:57] utility assistance.

[40:59] More than two-thirds of the

[41:01] households were served including

[41:03] children and 129 families were

[41:05] facing financial crisis caused

[41:07] by medical emergencies.

[41:09] These are families who were one

[41:11] expected event away from

[41:11] homelessness.

[41:15] This year, we've ex-pandemiceded

[41:18] and launching our move and

[41:19] mentor program.

[41:21] Many people don't need long-term

[41:21] case management.

[41:23] They simply need someone to help

[41:26] them overcome barriers like poor

[41:27] credit, criminal background,

[41:29] technology challenges, or

[41:31] navigating rental processes.

[41:32] Our team has worked one-on-one

[41:34] with clients while partnering

[41:35] with landlord and property

[41:37] managers across albuquerque to

[41:38] help people access housing.

[41:40] Through this work, we also

[41:42] identified dozens of seniors at

[41:45] gateway west to who have been

[41:46] priced out of housing.

[41:48] For someone living on a fixed

[41:51] income a significant rent

[41:54] increase can become an eviction

[41:54] notice.

[41:59] We've donated $25,000 to help

[42:00] transition them into stable

[42:01] housing.

[42:01] One point that's important to

[42:03] mention is homelessness does

[42:05] cost our community far more than

[42:07] housing our community does.

[42:08] Research estimates that a person

[42:10] experiencing chronic

[42:12] homelessness cost taxpayers

[42:15] between $50-75,000 each year

[42:16] through medical care and law

[42:18] enforcement and crisis services.

[42:20] Once that person is placed in

[42:22] supportive housing the cost

[42:24] drops to $12,800.

[42:27] That's a saving of $37,000 per

[42:29] person every single year.

[42:31] Housing isn't just a

[42:33] compassionate choice, it's a

[42:34] fiscally responsible choice.

[42:36] We've already seen the impact of

[42:37] our move and mentor program.

[42:39] We've helped people with

[42:41] full-time jobs who simply

[42:42] couldn't secure housing because

[42:43] of barriers beyond their

[42:44] control.

[42:45] They didn't need years of

[42:46] assistance.

[42:47] They just needed someone to

[42:48] advocate for them and connect

[42:49] them with landlords and help

[42:52] them navigate this complicated

[42:53] system.

[42:54] The families serve are working,

[42:57] raising children and recovering

[42:58] from medical crisis and doing

[43:00] everything they can to remain

[43:00] self-sufficient.

[43:01] Sometimes the difference between

[43:04] stability and homelessness isn't

[43:04] motivation, it's opportunity.

[43:07] Your investment creates that

[43:08] opportunity.

[43:11] It keeps families together and

[43:13] helps ensure albuquerque

[43:15] residents have a safe stable

[43:16] place to call home.

[43:17] We're here to ask for your

[43:19] continued support to expand this

[43:19] program.

[43:21] We can prevent homelessness

[43:22] before it happens.

[43:25] This is a preventative measure.

[43:26] Remove barriers to housing and

[43:28] help families achieve lasting

[43:29] stability.

[43:30] Thank you for your partnership,

[43:30] leadership and continued

[43:32] commitment to making housing

[43:33] stability a reality for our

[43:34] community.

[43:36] We do have this we wanted to

[43:38] potentially show you folks.

[43:39] I don't know where we do that

[43:44] at.

[43:46] If you have any questions --

[43:47] there we go.

[43:49] We would love to answer them for

[44:01] you.

[44:02] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: I think this

[44:04] is an incredible program that is

[44:05] very little money in the grand

[44:07] scheme of our really large

[44:09] budget here in the city of

[44:09] albuquerque.

[44:11] It's done a lot of good.

[44:13] I want to thank councilor

[44:13] bassan.

[44:15] She's the one that led this from

[44:20] the beginning and made sure it

[44:20] hammed

[44:21] happened.

[44:22] I'll tell the public, if you

[44:24] want to learn about it, the next

[44:27] district seven connection zoom

[44:28] meeting we'll have a

[44:31] presentation and q&a.

[44:33] If you're not signed up, sign up

[44:36] for a longer more detailed

[44:38] presentation the first friday of

[44:38] the month.

[44:42] Thank you.

[44:42] >>coun. Champine: MADAM

[44:45] PRESIDENT, we do have a second

[44:52] presentation tonight from MS. --

[44:54] councilor bassan.

[44:55] I apologize.

[44:56] You are second in that

[44:59] presentation.

[45:04] My apologies.

[45:06] >>coun. Pe}a: I'd love to hear

[45:08] from councilor bassan because I

[45:12] think catholic charities does

[45:13] remarkable work and they never

[45:15] have come to the city of

[45:16] albuquerque to get funded in a

[45:18] way that we really should.

[45:20] I have personal experience.

[45:21] I just think you guys have done

[45:24] an amazing job over there.

[45:24] Thank you.

[45:25] Councilor bassan, I'd love to

[45:27] hear from you.

[45:28] >>coun. Bassan: MADAM PRESIDENT,

[45:29] MR. Vice PRESIDENT, I was going

[45:31] to ask if they make sure we get

[45:34] a copy of the flier so we can

[45:36] distribute it and put it on the

[45:38] website so people can get it.

[45:40] It's been a pleasure to come up

[45:42] with this and work with

[45:43] everyone.

[45:43] >>coun. Champine: councilor

[45:44] fiebelkorn.

[45:44] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: thank you,

[45:45] MR. Vice PRESIDENT Champine.

[45:46] I have the flier and I'll send

[45:51] it to all of you right now.

[45:52] >>coun. Champine: MADAM

[45:55] PRESIDENT, we have a second

[45:58] presentation from the city

[45:59] economist.

[46:00] She'll provide an update to the

[46:05] cannabis and gross receipts tax.

[46:06] >> MR. Vice PRESIDENT Champine,

[46:08] I have a quick presentation for

[46:09] you, councilors.

[46:13] This is the MAY grt report.

[46:15] here it is.

[46:18] For MAY, growth slowed quite a

[46:20] bit from past several months.

[46:22] It was still 3.2%.

[46:26] That brings the clumlative

[46:28] growth to 5%.

[46:30] We've got one more month in the

[46:31] fiscal year.

[46:32] Construction seemed to

[46:34] contribute the most to the

[46:35] slower growth this month.

[46:40] It declined 17.5%.

[46:44] Retail was 0.3% declined.

[46:45] Essentially flat to slightly

[46:46] negative.

[46:48] On the upside, professional

[46:50] services grew 10.6%.

[46:53] Other services, 9.3.

[46:55] Health care 21.7.

[46:59] All did quite well.

[47:02] Manufacturing grew as well.

[47:05] I guess I can speak more to

[47:05] that.

[47:07] I'll go ahead and move to

[47:11] cannabis.

[47:13] Cannabis dropped a little bit

[47:15] from last month.

[47:16] 33.7% growth.

[47:18] It was quite strong at 16%.

[47:22] The assumption or hopefully trd

[47:24] is doing compliance efforts.

[47:26] Hopefully that will continue to

[47:28] stay a little bit stronger than

[47:33] it had been.

[47:35] Cumulative growth is 6.5% for

[47:36] the year.

[47:38] Briefly, it's hard to believe

[47:39] it's quarterly report time.

[47:43] It's time for unm b irksey ber.

[47:46] I got their data ahead of time

[47:48] and looked it over to see if

[47:50] there's changes expected for

[47:51] fy27.

[47:53] Employment was supposed to grow

[47:56] the tiniest little bit more than

[48:00] the previous quarter's

[48:00] projection.

[48:01] Almost negligible.

[48:05] And housing permits and those

[48:08] sorts of things remain.

[48:09] no significant changes from the

[48:10] last quarter.

[48:13] I can stand for questions.

[48:13] >>coun. Champine: councilor

[48:14] rogers.

[48:15] >>coun. Rogers: thank you, MADAM

[48:15] PRESIDENT.

[48:17] Thank you -- I love these

[48:19] presentations every month.

[48:21] Do you get access to the market

[48:24] presentations that we get as a

[48:25] part of our tid?

[48:31] I sit on the board for south

[48:34] campus and mesa del sol.

[48:35] There's three of them.

[48:37] And state fair.

[48:39] Not really a tid.

[48:40] Do you get access to those

[48:42] market reports that we get as a

[48:44] part of that?

[48:48] I know merehead is a -- is there

[48:49] a lot of time.

[48:52] >> councilor rogers, I actually

[48:54] attend some of those tid

[48:55] meetings.

[48:58] I usually hang out in the

[48:59] background.

[48:59] I don't believe I get the

[49:00] reports.

[49:01] I would love to see them.

[49:02] >>coun. Rogers: thank you.

[49:04] The reason I ask is because

[49:06] there's information we share

[49:07] during those meetings that I

[49:12] think would be good for overall

[49:13] public about all the different

[49:16] things that make-up this report

[49:18] to incorporate into ours.

[49:21] I learn a ton of what's

[49:22] happening in the market.

[49:24] That really affects city

[49:24] government.

[49:26] I'm happy to share those with

[49:27] you and maybe there's stuff to

[49:28] incorporate.

[49:33] I'd love to get a copy of the

[49:35] beiber report.

[49:37] If you could help me by sending

[49:39] those, I would love to read

[49:41] those and learn more.

[49:44] last question I have is as we do

[49:48] a bunch of tax abatements and

[49:50] IRBs, does your department track

[49:52] or anyone on your team track

[49:54] that year over year so we know

[49:56] we have it -- we have given all

[49:58] these tax breaks, all these

[50:00] people that affect our grt at

[50:04] some point so we maybe don't

[50:06] need to do those for a little

[50:10] while so we're not inadvertently

[50:10] move

[50:13] losing grt because we don't have

[50:15] a cumulative running total of

[50:18] what that is going to affect grt

[50:19] in the city?

[50:20] Do you do anything like that?

[50:23] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor

[50:26] rogers, there's something called

[50:31] the gaz b

[50:32] by 77.

[50:36] It's looking at the irb and mra

[50:38] and looking at the tax revenue

[50:41] that is lost, essentially.

[50:43] There's a report for it

[50:43] annually.

[50:44] I think this month or next I

[50:46] have to start that over again.

[50:48] Perhaps, you'd like to see that

[50:49] report?

[50:50] >>coun. Rogers: that would be

[50:53] super helpful for us.

[50:55] I'm just worried at some point

[50:57] if we keep doing that we'll

[51:01] affect our grt and what we have

[51:02] as a city.

[51:04] I wonder how that affects it.

[51:06] Thank you, MADAM PRESIDENT.

[51:11] >>coun. Pe}a: MADAM PRESIDENT.

[51:12] Councilor champine, do you have

[51:13] a follow-up?

[51:14] >>coun. Champine: yes.

[51:16] You mentioned cannabis was at

[51:19] 33% and it dropped a little bit.

[51:24] You indicated 16, so it dropped

[51:25] half?

[51:27] It went from 33 to 16?

[51:28] Okay.

[51:29] I just wanted to clarify that.

[51:31] >>coun. Pe}a: I'll just ask a

[51:31] question.

[51:33] Do you have an average of the

[51:34] grt increase over the past ten

[51:36] years?

[51:40] Do you track that in terms of

[51:40] perjuries?

[51:44] Has the grt been 5% increase

[51:45] every year?

[51:47] Do you know that off the top of

[51:49] your head?

[51:50] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, that would

[51:52] be easy to come up with.

[51:53] Certain things like covid and

[51:54] certain things like the

[51:56] introduction of local gross

[51:59] receipts tax on internet sales,

[52:00] those were significant changes

[52:03] that would throw that average

[52:03] off.

[52:06] It would skew it.

[52:09] That kind of information, I can

[52:10] easily provide that.

[52:12] If you want an average over the

[52:13] past ten years.

[52:14] >>coun. Pe}a: sure.

[52:17] And you can remove the covid

[52:18] time.

[52:20] You can include it in there.

[52:21] But maybe go ten years without

[52:24] that and ten years with covid.

[52:26] I'm just trying to see in terms

[52:27] of city gross receipts.

[52:29] This is our main source of

[52:31] revenue we use to provide all

[52:33] the services to our employees

[52:35] and do everything we need to do

[52:36] as a city.

[52:37] I think sometimes we're

[52:40] challenged with that.

[52:41] We have bernalillo county,

[52:43] they're doing amazing work over

[52:46] there, but they also have their

[52:46] grt.

[52:49] Plus they have the property tax.

[52:52] And the property tax goes up 4%

[52:55] on average a year.

[52:59] That on top of the grt, to me,

[53:00] looking at budgets over the

[53:03] years and I've talked with the

[53:05] county manager about this, it

[53:08] looks as though our budget is

[53:09] stagnant.

[53:10] But we provide services here in

[53:13] the city of albuquerque but for

[53:16] the unincorporated area.

[53:18] But also for rio rancho and

[53:19] surrounding communities.

[53:22] There's a real drain on our

[53:25] budget without the ability to

[53:28] have access to additional

[53:29] revenue.

[53:30] I think it's a larger

[53:32] conversation that we have to

[53:33] have, obviously I put forward

[53:36] the grt once again.

[53:37] I think it's a larger

[53:39] conversation that we have to

[53:42] have on how we best use our

[53:43] resources.

[53:45] Just like when people come into

[53:46] to go the gateway.

[53:49] Those are things that -- or rio

[53:51] rancho coming into albuquerque

[53:53] driving on the -- we're having

[53:55] to repave the roads and this and

[53:56] that.

[53:58] Those are just good partners and

[53:59] relationships we need to figure

[54:02] out how we help with that.

[54:05] Even with our water treatment.

[54:07] Obviously, that's an issue for

[54:11] the water authority, but intel,

[54:15] we're cleaning that water.

[54:17] That's another burden that we

[54:18] have as a city.

[54:21] We're the largest city in the

[54:22] state of new mexico.

[54:24] And we have to keep up to be

[54:26] able to provide really good

[54:28] services and pave our streets

[54:31] and put street lighting and

[54:34] we're just really, I think, each

[54:37] city council district, similar

[54:38] to councilor rogers's question,

[54:42] we really need to figure out a

[54:45] way to -- that's more in our

[54:45] city.

[54:47] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, I'll try to

[54:48] put together some sort of

[54:50] helpful report in that regard.

[54:52] >>coun. Pe}a: thank you so much.

[54:56] We're now on item five, the

[54:56] journal.

[54:59] I move approval of the JUNE 15th

[54:59] journal.

[55:01] There's a motion and second by

[55:02] committee of the whole chair

[55:03] grout.

[55:06] [Roll call].

[55:09] >>coun. Baca: yes.

[55:10] >>coun. Bassan: yes.

[55:12] >>coun. Champine: yes.

[55:14] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: yes.

[55:16] >>coun. Grout: yes.

[55:18] >>coun. Lewis: yes.

[55:20] >>coun. Rogers: yes.

[55:21] >>coun. Telles: yes.

[55:22] >>coun. Pe}a: yes.

[55:24] >> passes unanimously.

[55:24] >>coun. Pe}a: thank you.

[55:26] We're now on communications and

[55:28] introductions, which is item

[55:28] six.

[55:30] Are there any changes to the

[55:31] letter of introduction?

[55:33] I have one.

[55:34] Ec-195, I move the rules be

[55:35] suspended for the purpose of

[55:39] placing ec-195 on tonight's

[55:42] agenda for action.

[55:43] Authorizing social services

[55:44] agreement with new mexico

[55:46] veteran's integration center

[55:49] utilizing opioid settlement fund

[55:50] appropriations as outlined in

[55:54] city council r-25-128.

[55:56] I make a motion.

[55:58] There's a motion, and a second

[56:00] by councilor rogers.

[56:03] We need two-thirds vote.

[56:07] [Roll call].

[56:10] >>coun. Baca: yes.

[56:11] >>coun. Bassan: yes.

[56:13] >>coun. Champine: yes.

[56:15] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: yes.

[56:18] >>coun. Grout: yes.

[56:20] >>coun. Lewis: yes.

[56:22] >>coun. Rogers: yes.

[56:23] >>coun. Telles: yes.

[56:23] >>coun. Pe}a: yes.

[56:25] >> passes unanimously.

[56:27] >>coun. Pe}a: thank you.

[56:29] Ec-196, I move the rules be

[56:30] suspended for the purpose of

[56:34] placing ec-196 on tonight's

[56:35] janned for action.

[56:39] It's to increase funding for

[56:41] substance treatment contract

[56:42] with albuquerque behavioral

[56:43] health.

[56:44] There's motion and second by

[56:45] councilor grout.

[56:47] This also requires a two-thirds

[56:48] vote.

[56:50] [Roll call].

[56:53] >>coun. Baca: yes.

[56:54] >>coun. Bassan: yes.

[56:56] >>coun. Champine: yes.

[56:58] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: yes.

[56:59] >>coun. Grout: yes.

[57:02] >>coun. Lewis: yes.

[57:04] >>coun. Rogers: yes.

[57:05] >>coun. Telles: yes.

[57:05] >>coun. Pe}a: yes.

[57:07] >> passes unanimously.

[57:09] >>coun. Pe}a: thank you.

[57:09] Ec-197.

[57:11] I move that the rules be sus

[57:13] pend for the purpose of placing

[57:14] ec-197 on tonight's agenda for

[57:17] action.

[57:17] Ec-

[57:19] ec-197 is approval to increase

[57:23] funding for fy27 substance abuse

[57:26] treatment contract with engender

[57:28] incorporated and this does not

[57:31] require -- yes, it does require

[57:32] two-thirds vote.

[57:33] There's a motion, and a second

[57:35] by councilor grout.

[57:38] [Roll call].

[57:39] >>coun. Baca: yes.

[57:41] >>coun. Bassan: yes.

[57:43] >>coun. Champine: yes.

[57:44] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: yes.

[57:46] >>coun. Grout: yes.

[57:47] >>coun. Lewis: yes.

[57:51] >>coun. Rogers: yes.

[57:54] >>coun. Telles: yes.

[57:55] >>coun. Pe}a: yes.

[57:56] >> passes unanimously.

[57:59] >>coun. Pe}a: we are now --

[58:01] councilor baca, r-54.

[58:03] This one only requires five

[58:03] votes.

[58:04] >>coun. Baca: thank you, MADAM

[58:05] PRESIDENT.

[58:06] R-54, I make a motion to amend

[58:07] the letter of introduction for

[58:10] the purpose of placing r-54 on

[58:11] the AUGUST 17th council agenda

[58:13] instead of placing it on

[58:14] tonight's agenda for action.

[58:16] Authorizing the execution and

[58:17] delivery of water project fund

[58:18] agreement between the new mexico

[58:21] finance authority and the city

[58:23] of albuquerque in the full

[58:26] amount of $6.1 million.

[58:26] >>coun. Pe}a: there's a motion

[58:27] and two seconds.

[58:30] I'll take the second by

[58:30] councilor rogers.

[58:32] [Roll call].

[58:33] >>coun. Baca: yes.

[58:35] >>coun. Bassan: yes.

[58:37] >>coun. Champine: yes.

[58:39] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: yes.

[58:40] >>coun. Grout: yes.

[58:42] >>coun. Lewis: yes.

[58:43] >>coun. Rogers: yes.

[58:45] >>coun. Telles: yes.

[58:45] >>coun. Pe}a: yes.

[58:47] >> passes unanimously.

[58:48] >>coun. Pe}a: thank you.

[58:50] Councilor baca, by request.

[58:50] R-56.

[58:52] >>coun. Baca: thank you, r-56 I

[58:55] move the rules be suspend for

[58:56] placing r-56 on tonight's agenda

[58:58] for action.

[59:00] R-56 amending the adopted

[59:03] capital implementation program

[59:06] of the city by supplementing

[59:07] current grant and projects.

[59:08] I move do pass.

[59:09] >>coun. Pe}a: there's a motion

[59:10] and second by councilor grout.

[59:12] This will require two-thirds

[59:13] vote.

[59:15] [Roll call].

[59:15] >>coun. Baca: yes.

[59:17] >>coun. Bassan: yes.

[59:18] >>coun. Champine: yes.

[59:19] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: yes.

[59:22] >>coun. Grout: yes.

[59:23] >>coun. Lewis: yes.

[59:25] >>coun. Rogers: yes.

[59:26] >>coun. Telles: yes.

[59:26] >>coun. Pe}a: yes.

[59:29] >> passes unanimously.

[59:29] >>coun. Pe}a: thank you.

[59:31] Councilor fiebelkorn, r-57.

[59:34] This will require two-thirds

[59:34] vote.

[59:35] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: thank you,

[59:35] MADAM PRESIDENT.

[59:36] I move the rules be suspended

[59:39] for placing r-57 on tonight's

[59:40] agenda for action.

[59:43] Dedicated state capital outlay

[59:45] funds to specific projects and

[59:46] phases and requiring council

[59:49] approval of scope changes.

[59:50] >>coun. Pe}a: there's a motion,

[59:52] and a second by vice PRESIDENT

[59:52] Champine.

[59:56] [Roll call].

[59:58] >>coun. Baca: yes.

[59:59] >>coun. Bassan: yes.

[1:00:01] >>coun. Champine: yes.

[1:00:03] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: yes.

[1:00:04] >>coun. Grout: yes.

[1:00:06] >>coun. Lewis: yes.

[1:00:09] >>coun. Rogers: yes.

[1:00:10] >>coun. Telles: yes.

[1:00:10] >>coun. Pe}a: yes.

[1:00:13] >> passes unanimously.

[1:00:14] >>coun. Pe}a: thank you.

[1:00:17] I move approval of the letter of

[1:00:17] introduction.

[1:00:19] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: point of

[1:00:19] order.

[1:00:20] Thank you.

[1:00:22] I would request the PRESIDENT

[1:00:23] Determine whether the

[1:00:26] introduction of r-58 is out of

[1:00:31] order based on violation of

[1:00:33] robert's rule of order which

[1:00:37] prohibits improper motion.

[1:00:39] as a reminder in robert's rules,

[1:00:43] it does state that no motion can

[1:00:45] be renewed during the same

[1:00:47] session which it has aural been

[1:00:52] before the the assembly, and the

[1:00:55] similar questions cannot be

[1:00:57] brought up a second time.

[1:00:59] The session for this council is

[1:01:00] two years long.

[1:01:02] We're on the 15th meeting of the

[1:01:04] 27th council.

[1:01:04] >>coun. Pe}a: councilor

[1:01:05] fiebelkorn, what bill are you

[1:01:06] referring to?

[1:01:12] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: it is r-58.

[1:01:13] >>coun. Pe}a: which we don't

[1:01:14] have in front of us.

[1:01:16] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: that is the

[1:01:18] gross receipts tax bill that has

[1:01:22] been voted down three times

[1:01:24] already this calendar year.

[1:01:27] I would say this is

[1:01:28] substantially the same what is

[1:01:29] being proposed tonight.

[1:01:31] I don't believe it qualifies

[1:01:37] under the rules that we have for

[1:01:37] council.

[1:01:38] >>coun. Pe}a: yes.

[1:01:38] I got it.

[1:01:40] We're just shuffling papers.

[1:01:41] Around.

[1:01:43] Thank you so much.

[1:01:45] I think I will defer to the city

[1:01:47] attorney.

[1:01:50] I will actually go through some

[1:01:54] of -- let me find -- this is not

[1:02:00] on the agenda.

[1:02:03] I think this is the second time

[1:02:04] with the grt.

[1:02:06] It's not the third time,

[1:02:06] correct?

[1:02:07] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: MADAM

[1:02:09] PRESIDENT, I can answer that

[1:02:09] question for you.

[1:02:16] We've voted down o-26-16.

[1:02:18] Which was back earlier this

[1:02:18] year.

[1:02:21] And then we also voted down

[1:02:23] r-26-43, which was recent.

[1:02:26] And then there was a motion to

[1:02:28] reconsider that failure, and

[1:02:31] that also was voted down by this

[1:02:34] council.

[1:02:36] I believe a gross receipt tax

[1:02:39] has been voted down three times

[1:02:41] by this council in this calendar

[1:02:42] year.

[1:02:43] >>coun. Pe}a: yes, working with

[1:02:46] our attorneys, it really has to

[1:02:48] have some change to it in order

[1:02:49] for it to be a different bill.

[1:02:52] This one is prettily

[1:02:56] substantially different.

[1:02:57] O-26-57 structure

[1:02:58] ally different

[1:03:01] approach designed with stronger

[1:03:02] taxpayer protection guarantee

[1:03:04] which the last one did not have.

[1:03:05] Long-term fiscal responsibility.

[1:03:08] Unlike past proposals this

[1:03:10] establishes clear boundaries on

[1:03:12] how funds are allocated, spent,

[1:03:14] and sustained.

[1:03:16] Balance allocation, we shifted

[1:03:19] from 50-50 split which we added

[1:03:22] for more operation and 47 for

[1:03:25] capital projects.

[1:03:28] Operational funding remains

[1:03:28] main z

[1:03:29] mains

[1:03:31] permanent to support on going

[1:03:34] services, the capital portion

[1:03:36] automatically ceases after 21

[1:03:36] years.

[1:03:37] We didn't have that before.

[1:03:40] With the capital, we're all --

[1:03:43] if it were to pass and go to the

[1:03:46] taxpayers, which I think is

[1:03:47] paramount, this is really, I

[1:03:49] feel, the fact the bill hasn't

[1:03:54] passed so many times is really

[1:03:59] unfair to the taxpayers.

[1:04:00] I have confidence in taxpayers

[1:04:01] to make the right decision.

[1:04:03] If they decide not to pass it,

[1:04:04] that's what their decision is.

[1:04:07] We get people coming here are

[1:04:09] the time saying let us make the

[1:04:10] decisions, this is a decision

[1:04:12] for the taxpayer.

[1:04:14] i'm just proposing we put it on

[1:04:15] the ballot.

[1:04:17] And protecting the wages for

[1:04:20] employees, we have a specific in

[1:04:24] there for employees to outline

[1:04:26] they would be part of this bill.

[1:04:28] It's not here or there or maybe

[1:04:29] or maybe not.

[1:04:31] I think this really guarantees

[1:04:34] protections for our employees.

[1:04:37] And then, the other strong

[1:04:42] language in here is that it's to

[1:04:45] supplement, not supplant.

[1:04:48] Some of the services, as you

[1:04:50] know, it could be this

[1:04:52] administration or other

[1:04:53] administrations that they can

[1:04:55] use it to sustain current

[1:04:57] operations that the city of

[1:04:58] albuquerque has.

[1:04:59] This actually protects from

[1:04:59] doing that.

[1:05:03] It ensures this new money goes

[1:05:07] to new services and new

[1:05:09] operations for the city of

[1:05:10] albuquerque.

[1:05:12] MS. Keefe, I don't know if you

[1:05:14] can answer the question further.

[1:05:18] >> thank you, MADAM PRESIDENT.

[1:05:21] I just -- I don't construe the

[1:05:24] council to operate in session.

[1:05:27] The rule of order has a specific

[1:05:31] definition of a session.

[1:05:32] In contrast, the new mexico

[1:05:35] legislature operates in sessions

[1:05:38] and bills die at the end of a

[1:05:39] session.

[1:05:41] We don't have a session where

[1:05:42] bills die.

[1:05:44] We have calendar from jan to

[1:05:44] DECEMBER.

[1:05:46] If a bill is pending it carries

[1:05:48] over to next JANUARY, that's

[1:05:50] true if it's this council or

[1:05:51] next council.

[1:05:53] There's no reference to session

[1:05:55] in the council's rules.

[1:05:57] When the calendar is passed it's

[1:05:59] not referred to as a session or

[1:06:01] part of a session.

[1:06:03] i don't think the rule cited is

[1:06:07] applicable.

[1:06:08] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: MADAM

[1:06:09] PRESIDENT, MAY I respond to

[1:06:10] that?

[1:06:10] >>coun. Pe}a: councilor

[1:06:11] fiebelkorn.

[1:06:12] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: that is very

[1:06:14] interesting because we have been

[1:06:16] working under this rule for the

[1:06:19] entire time I've been on

[1:06:19] council.

[1:06:20] I've specifically not

[1:06:22] reintroduced bill for the

[1:06:25] mandatory two-year wait period.

[1:06:26] If we are going to hear this

[1:06:28] bill tonight, I look forward to

[1:06:31] reintroducing rank choice voting

[1:06:33] immediately and also my full

[1:06:34] renter's bill of rights

[1:06:35] immediately and I will continue

[1:06:38] to keep those on the dais as

[1:06:40] long as I possibly can.

[1:06:41] Because now I'm being told there

[1:06:44] are no rules that say that we do

[1:06:46] not repeat bills immediately

[1:06:51] upon their failure.

[1:06:51] >>coun. Pe}a: thank you,

[1:06:52] councilor fiebelkorn.

[1:06:54] I think it does state the bill

[1:06:55] does have to differ.

[1:06:57] If you introduce it has to

[1:06:58] differ somewhat.

[1:06:58] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: MADAM

[1:07:00] PRESIDENT, the bill in front of

[1:07:01] us is substantially the same as

[1:07:03] the bill we voted down twice

[1:07:03] already.

[1:07:06] I did a line by line, word by

[1:07:10] word analysis changing 50-50 to

[1:07:14] 47-53 and adding one

[1:07:15] three-paragraph new paragraph

[1:07:18] and three-sentence paragraph in

[1:07:19] there, strategic editing doesn't

[1:07:21] create a new question.

[1:07:23] This will be the fourth time

[1:07:25] that the citizens of albuquerque

[1:07:28] have had this voted down by this

[1:07:29] council tonight.

[1:07:33] I was asking for a ruling by the

[1:07:36] president to determine if this

[1:07:38] was in vailation of robert's

[1:07:41] rule of order.

[1:07:42] >>coun. Pe}a: before I go to

[1:07:43] you, vice PRESIDENT Champine, I

[1:07:50] would say that it is not.

[1:07:52] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: thank you, I

[1:07:55] move that the council appeal the

[1:07:56] PRESIDENT's decision.

[1:07:56] >>coun. Pe}a: there's a motion

[1:07:59] and a second.

[1:08:05] [Roll call].

[1:08:08] >>coun. Baca: yes.

[1:08:13] >>coun. Bassan: no.

[1:08:16] >>coun. Champine: yes.

[1:08:22] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: yes.

[1:08:25] >>coun. Grout: yes.

[1:08:28] >>coun. Lewis: yes.

[1:08:31] >>coun. Rogers: yes.

[1:08:35] >>coun. Telles: yes.

[1:08:35] >>coun. Pe}a: no.

[1:08:41] >> it passes on a 7-2 vote.

[1:08:45] >>coun. Pe}a: formalities -- how

[1:08:46] would you -- what's the process

[1:08:48] now for formalities?

[1:08:51] Before we go to that, I just

[1:08:53] want to say, you know, we

[1:08:55] have -- this is really -- you

[1:08:57] know, I expected this to be kind

[1:08:59] of dead in the water.

[1:09:01] I've already talked to some of

[1:09:02] the union folks and let them

[1:09:03] know it's probably dead in the

[1:09:04] water.

[1:09:07] I wanted to make sure to try to

[1:09:10] bring this back as a last-ditch

[1:09:10] effort.

[1:09:12] As you think, I'm going to

[1:09:13] rehash some of what councilor

[1:09:16] bassan said at one point.

[1:09:23] We have a budget -- I just

[1:09:24] described our budget we have

[1:09:25] with our grt.

[1:09:28] The truth of the matter is we

[1:09:30] don't grow it by that much.

[1:09:36] We're held hostage, by lack of a

[1:09:38] better word, but we base most of

[1:09:41] our entire budget on the grt.

[1:09:44] When we talk about flexibility

[1:09:45] and services that the community

[1:09:48] wants and needs and the trash

[1:09:51] picked up and all the pictures

[1:09:53] that councilor rogers just

[1:09:56] showed minutes ago, all those

[1:09:58] things require staff needed to

[1:09:59] be able to do those things.

[1:10:01] And when you look at our budget

[1:10:04] you hear we don't have enough

[1:10:05] staff.

[1:10:06] We have vacancies.

[1:10:09] We're not paying our staff

[1:10:10] adequately.

[1:10:12] They're going to other

[1:10:12] municipalities.

[1:10:13] They're leaving the city.

[1:10:15] Before, many years ago, working

[1:10:18] for the city of albuquerque was

[1:10:19] paramount.

[1:10:21] That's how you -- when you're in

[1:10:23] poverty or when you're working

[1:10:25] class that's how you got out by

[1:10:28] getting a job that provided

[1:10:30] benefits and security.

[1:10:33] And government has not been that

[1:10:33] way.

[1:10:36] We haven't done a good job of

[1:10:37] doing that.

[1:10:40] I mentioned this last time, I've

[1:10:42] been on council for 12 years.

[1:10:45] Of those 12 years, our city

[1:10:49] employees have not been able to

[1:10:53] receive a significant wage

[1:10:55] increase to really even keep up

[1:10:56] with cost of living.

[1:10:59] When we ask ourselves why aren't

[1:11:00] these things happening in the

[1:11:02] way we would like to see them

[1:11:06] happen in our community, it's

[1:11:07] going to continue.

[1:11:08] Because if we do nothing, we

[1:11:09] have the same.

[1:11:14] If we do something -- not us as

[1:11:16] a council doing it, this vote

[1:11:19] right now really took the

[1:11:21] ability away from you the voters

[1:11:23] to make the decision whether we

[1:11:26] should do this or not.

[1:11:30] Thank you.

[1:11:35] Formalities.

[1:11:36] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, in

[1:11:38] consulting with the clerk of the

[1:11:39] council, the letter of

[1:11:43] introduction will be amended to

[1:11:45] remove that bill from the letter

[1:11:47] and it will be reflected in the

[1:11:49] journal that the vote was taken

[1:11:51] to take that off.

[1:11:52] >>coun. Pe}a: okay.

[1:11:54] Thank you so much.

[1:11:57] We can proceed?

[1:11:58] Okay.

[1:12:00] MADAM Clerk.

[1:12:02] >> this is approval of the

[1:12:03] letter of introduction.

[1:12:06] Did I get a second?

[1:12:09] >>coun. Pe}a: yes.

[1:12:11] Did you get the person?

[1:12:15] [Roll call].

[1:12:18] >>coun. Baca: yes.

[1:12:19] >>coun. Bassan: repeat what

[1:12:22] we're voting on.

[1:12:24] Thank you, yes.

[1:12:26] >>coun. Champine: yes.

[1:12:29] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: yes.

[1:12:31] >>coun. Grout: yes.

[1:12:33] >>coun. Lewis: yes.

[1:12:36] >>coun. Rogers: yes.

[1:12:37] >>coun. Telles: yes.

[1:12:46] >>coun. Pe}a: no.

[1:12:53] 8-1.

[1:12:58] Got it?

[1:13:01] We are now on item 7, reports of

[1:13:01] committee.

[1:13:02] There are none.

[1:13:05] Deferrals and withdrawals,

[1:13:07] councilors, are there any

[1:13:11] deferrals or withdrawals?

[1:13:13] Committee of the whole chair

[1:13:13] grout.

[1:13:16] >>coun. Grout: I'd like to pull

[1:13:25] ec-26-160.

[1:13:26] >>coun. Pe}a: on the consent

[1:13:29] agenda.

[1:13:31] Did you want to read it off?

[1:13:35] >>coun. Grout: sure.

[1:13:37] Ec-160 is approval of the

[1:13:39] agreement with home wise

[1:13:41] incorporated to utilize housing

[1:13:42] and neighborhood economic

[1:13:43] development funds in the amount

[1:13:48] of $2.8 million to administer

[1:13:50] homeowner rehabilitation

[1:13:51] program.

[1:13:54] >>coun. Pe}a: okay.

[1:13:56] Now, we don't need a second.

[1:13:58] Thank you, councilor rogers.

[1:14:00] With that, for the individuals

[1:14:02] on tonight's consent agenda

[1:14:04] being appointed tosoever on a

[1:14:05] board or commission thank you

[1:14:07] for your willingness to serve.

[1:14:10] I move proval of the consent

[1:14:10] agenda.

[1:14:11] I'll take it now.

[1:14:12] Councilor rogers.

[1:14:13] There's a motion, and a second

[1:14:13] by councilor rogers.

[1:14:15] [Roll call].

[1:14:17] >>coun. Baca: yes.

[1:14:19] >>coun. Bassan: yes.

[1:14:21] >>coun. Champine: yes.

[1:14:23] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: yes.

[1:14:25] >>coun. Grout: yes.

[1:14:27] >>coun. Lewis: yes.

[1:14:30] >>coun. Rogers: yes.

[1:14:32] >>coun. Telles: yes.

[1:14:32] >>coun. Pe}a: yes.

[1:14:35] >> passes unanimously.

[1:14:35] >>coun. Pe}a: thank you.

[1:14:36] Councilor grout.

[1:14:38] >>coun. Grout: thank you, MADAM

[1:14:38] PRESIDENT.

[1:14:41] I'm very interested in this

[1:14:42] program.

[1:14:44] I think it's wonderful.

[1:14:46] I have a few questions.

[1:14:49] First of all, it took -- this

[1:14:51] rfp went out two, three years

[1:14:51] ago.

[1:14:52] Three years ago.

[1:14:57] And it's just now coming to

[1:14:57] council.

[1:15:01] Can someone explain a little

[1:15:02] bit?

[1:15:04] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor

[1:15:07] grout, director ramirez is here.

[1:15:09] You can speak with our new

[1:15:12] deputy director, jordan barela,

[1:15:15] to speak to this specific

[1:15:17] contract.

[1:15:20] >> thank you, MADAM PRESIDENT.

[1:15:21] Councilor grout, the timing

[1:15:23] related to the home wise

[1:15:25] contract did take quite

[1:15:25] sometime.

[1:15:27] As I understand it from staff,

[1:15:29] the rfp was submitted in

[1:15:30] SEPTEMBER of 2023.

[1:15:31] Some of the issues pertain to

[1:15:33] the rfp review committee as far

[1:15:35] as the timing was concerned.

[1:15:39] This program is funded through

[1:15:42] our fund which requires members

[1:15:44] to be on the ad hoc committee.

[1:15:46] It was very difficult to get two

[1:15:48] members to go through the entire

[1:15:48] process.

[1:15:50] A few members had to change a

[1:15:52] couple times which stalled the

[1:15:54] reward.

[1:15:55] >>coun. Grout: thank you.

[1:15:58] I'm looking at a map of the

[1:16:00] pockets of poverty.

[1:16:03] Can that be expanded at all?

[1:16:05] It's very concentrated.

[1:16:07] I know there are other areas in

[1:16:08] the city that can benefit from

[1:16:08] this.

[1:16:11] How can we make that change?

[1:16:14] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor

[1:16:17] grout, to go back to the history

[1:16:19] of the program, it was initially

[1:16:21] funded through an urban

[1:16:22] development action grant that

[1:16:24] was provided by hud.

[1:16:25] At the time that grant, I

[1:16:26] believe it was awarded in the

[1:16:29] 80s, was provided for economic

[1:16:30] development activities.

[1:16:33] The loan proceeds were provided

[1:16:34] for the program.

[1:16:36] As I understand one of the

[1:16:38] requirements is the loan

[1:16:40] proceeds be used in the pocket

[1:16:42] of poverty which is why the

[1:16:43] ordinance is set up this way.

[1:16:45] In terms of whether that map can

[1:16:47] be readdressed at this point in

[1:16:50] time, that's a question that was

[1:16:51] brought to my attention.

[1:16:52] that's something we going to

[1:16:53] have to research to determine if

[1:16:55] those requirements are removed

[1:16:57] to make that change.

[1:16:58] >>coun. Grout: thank you.

[1:17:00] I personally would like to defer

[1:17:02] this ec a couple weeks and work

[1:17:04] on it to see what we can do if

[1:17:08] we need to make changes to the

[1:17:08] ordinance.

[1:17:12] I do believe there's more -- a

[1:17:14] broader area that could benefit

[1:17:14] from this.

[1:17:16] It's a great program.

[1:17:18] I'm all for it.

[1:17:21] I think the rfp went out three

[1:17:24] years ago, AUGUST 21st.

[1:17:25] That's three years.

[1:17:27] I don't think two weeks is going

[1:17:29] to hurt just to get a few more

[1:17:31] questions answered and possibly

[1:17:33] broaden the scope of where this

[1:17:35] would take us.

[1:17:36] >> councilor grout, I believe

[1:17:38] councilor rogers has a few

[1:17:38] questions.

[1:17:41] Your motion to defer and

[1:17:45] questions over it with councilor

[1:17:45] telles.

[1:17:47] Can it wait for questions?

[1:17:48] >>coun. Grout: sure.

[1:17:49] >>coun. Rogers: thank you, MR.

[1:17:50] Vice PRESIDENT Champine.

[1:17:51] Thank you for being here.

[1:17:54] I have a lot of questions.

[1:17:56] I was very vocal about the last

[1:17:57] round of home renovation money

[1:17:58] that home wise got.

[1:18:01] They were responsible for doing

[1:18:03] low income areas, communities of

[1:18:04] color.

[1:18:05] They brought us data and helped

[1:18:08] nobody in the low income

[1:18:08] bracket.

[1:18:11] And the data was shoddy on who

[1:18:12] they actually helped.

[1:18:14] But it was clear it wasn't

[1:18:16] anyone in the low income bracket

[1:18:18] which is also what the grant

[1:18:18] requires.

[1:18:20] what are we putting in place

[1:18:21] this time if we're going to give

[1:18:22] them more money?

[1:18:25] Last time it was $3 million.

[1:18:29] I was a city employee working in

[1:18:30] inclusion and it took three

[1:18:32] years to get that money out and

[1:18:33] only because I became a city

[1:18:34] councilor and I asked what

[1:18:36] happened to this money.

[1:18:38] We found out at that time they

[1:18:40] still hadn't spent it all.

[1:18:41] And we're going to reward them

[1:18:45] with $2.8 million when they kept

[1:18:52] this in their accounts

[1:18:53] generating interest while

[1:18:54] thousands of people in

[1:18:55] albuquerque, especially seniors,

[1:18:59] who could not afford home

[1:19:02] renovations were not helped.

[1:19:03] What is the department going to

[1:19:05] do to make sure if we agree to

[1:19:08] give them 2.8

[1:19:11] $2.8 million more,

[1:19:12] which I don't think we should,

[1:19:17] what is the contingency plan to

[1:19:19] make sure they do what we expect

[1:19:20] quickly and it doesn't take

[1:19:22] three years to get this money

[1:19:22] out?

[1:19:24] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor

[1:19:26] rogers, within hhh and community

[1:19:27] development we have a compliance

[1:19:29] team and when it comes to this

[1:19:32] types of programs and the

[1:19:33] grantees of the programs.

[1:19:36] Hhh reserves to audit the files

[1:19:36] to determine anybody that

[1:19:39] received that funding income

[1:19:41] qualified and lived in a

[1:19:41] designated area.

[1:19:42] >>coun. Rogers: MADAM PRESIDENT,

[1:19:44] I hate to cut you off.

[1:19:45] Those contingency plans didn't

[1:19:48] work with the last $3 million

[1:19:50] you gave them.

[1:19:52] I know you're knew to the city.

[1:19:54] You shouldn't be speaking to

[1:19:56] this, let's switch places with

[1:19:58] director ramirez.

[1:20:01] director ramirez, you and I have

[1:20:03] gone round and round about home

[1:20:04] wise and this program.

[1:20:06] Your contingency plans didn't

[1:20:07] work last time.

[1:20:08] What are we going to do

[1:20:10] differently this time to make

[1:20:10] sure?

[1:20:13] Where is it in the contract?

[1:20:17] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor

[1:20:19] rogers, the initial awarding of

[1:20:23] the partnership with home

[1:20:25] wise -- and the applications

[1:20:25] now.

[1:20:27] Did we work hand and hand with

[1:20:29] home wise and they're here

[1:20:30] tonight as well, it was to be

[1:20:31] able to make sure that

[1:20:33] compliance was there and the

[1:20:34] structure was there and there

[1:20:35] was the ability to get that

[1:20:36] money out to the individuals

[1:20:37] that qualified for that

[1:20:38] particular program.

[1:20:42] As this funding comes to you all

[1:20:44] for approval and we move forward

[1:20:47] in that, those contingency

[1:20:47] ies

[1:20:50] will make sure the compliances

[1:20:52] happens and the individuals

[1:20:54] served meet the qualifications

[1:20:55] in the overview.

[1:20:56] >>coun. Rogers: it sounds like

[1:20:58] the same answer.

[1:21:01] What is different this time?

[1:21:03] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor

[1:21:04] rogers, I don't understand in

[1:21:05] regards to what you would like

[1:21:06] to see different.

[1:21:08] I'm hearing you're saying the

[1:21:09] compliance wasn't there.

[1:21:11] I don't believe that was --

[1:21:12] >>coun. Rogers: your department

[1:21:13] audited them, correct?

[1:21:15] >> the compliance for the

[1:21:17] previous funding allocation?

[1:21:19] Yes, the monitoring did happen.

[1:21:20] >>coun. Rogers: I heard from

[1:21:21] your previous director there was

[1:21:24] some issues with that, correct?

[1:21:26] with how quickly they got the

[1:21:28] money out and who were they

[1:21:31] expected to help?

[1:21:32] It was an issue.

[1:21:35] And now I'm asking as the

[1:21:37] steward of this money, your

[1:21:39] responsibility as the director

[1:21:40] of the department is to make

[1:21:43] sure who we give it to does the

[1:21:45] right thing with the dollars.

[1:21:47] If you can't speak to that, who

[1:21:51] from home wise can?

[1:21:54] Who is here from home wise?

[1:21:55] If your department -- thank you,

[1:21:56] MADAM PRESIDENT.

[1:21:57] If your department cannot tell

[1:21:59] me how we're going to make sure,

[1:22:01] I'd like to hear from the

[1:22:05] provider directly.

[1:22:08] Just for the public, I've been

[1:22:09] doing this with home wise for

[1:22:10] almost six years.

[1:22:14] It was first as a city employee

[1:22:16] and now as a councilor.

[1:22:17] Tell me your name.

[1:22:19] >> carl davis.

[1:22:20] >>coun. Rogers: how long have

[1:22:21] you been with home wise?

[1:22:22] >> seven years.

[1:22:24] >>coun. Rogers: awesome, tell me

[1:22:26] how we're going to make sure

[1:22:27] this money gets to the people

[1:22:31] it's intended to get to.

[1:22:32] It didn't happen in the last

[1:22:32] round.

[1:22:34] >> we have to take a minute.

[1:22:35] It did get to the people.

[1:22:38] The average income of the

[1:22:40] recipients was 26k a year.

[1:22:42] Everyone was below 80% ami.

[1:22:44] >>coun. Rogers: that is not the

[1:22:47] data we actually displayed

[1:22:49] publicly from your company.

[1:22:51] >> that is the data we provided

[1:22:53] ahead of this meeting.

[1:22:55] >>coun. Rogers: ahead of this

[1:22:57] meeting, but what was presented

[1:22:59] to this council publicly did not

[1:23:00] show that.

[1:23:02] I am am happy to send that to

[1:23:03] you.

[1:23:04] I know we have to move on.

[1:23:06] We have a lot of things.

[1:23:08] I don't want to belabor this

[1:23:09] point.

[1:23:10] We need to get on the same page.

[1:23:11] We have people suffering.

[1:23:14] We have an insurance crisis in

[1:23:15] this country where insurance

[1:23:17] companies are leaving homeowners

[1:23:18] with the bag.

[1:23:21] Holding the bag who have holes

[1:23:22] in their roof.

[1:23:24] Who have not working plumbing

[1:23:26] which home wise, thank you for

[1:23:28] helping one of the constituents

[1:23:30] I was able to call you and hold

[1:23:32] your feet to the fire to help

[1:23:33] someone in my district who

[1:23:34] needed your help.

[1:23:37] You went and above and beyond to

[1:23:40] help because a councilor called.

[1:23:41] I want us to work together as a

[1:23:43] team to make sure the people who

[1:23:44] needs this help gets the help

[1:23:45] they deserve.

[1:23:47] And that is extremely important.

[1:23:50] Back to director ramirez, how

[1:23:54] many rauntds -- respondents did

[1:23:56] we have for this rfp?

[1:23:57] >> one.

[1:23:58] >>coun. Rogers: and that's

[1:24:00] exactly the excuse you gave me

[1:24:00] last time.

[1:24:02] Which means your department did

[1:24:04] not do any recruitment.

[1:24:08] Can you tell me about your

[1:24:09] recruitment process for this?

[1:24:11] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor

[1:24:14] rogers, understanding that the

[1:24:18] agency we spoken to encourage to

[1:24:20] apply the capacity surpassed the

[1:24:21] city.

[1:24:22] We had the conversations with

[1:24:24] them to encouraging them to

[1:24:27] submit applications, in the end

[1:24:29] we had one respondent.

[1:24:32] >>coun. Rogers: guess what, I

[1:24:33] tried to recruit.

[1:24:34] They didn't want to do business

[1:24:35] with your department.

[1:24:37] That's the feedback I got from

[1:24:40] the companies I begged to

[1:24:41] respond to this.

[1:24:42] They don't want to do business

[1:24:44] with the city of albuquerque.

[1:24:45] We have to do better.

[1:24:47] I'm going to continue to say

[1:24:50] this to hhh, health, housing,

[1:24:51] and homelessness.

[1:24:52] That is your charge.

[1:24:54] Not ACSs.

[1:24:56] You have millions of dollars at

[1:24:58] your fingertips.

[1:25:01] We saw amazing outcomes from

[1:25:03] $380,000 from councilor

[1:25:06] bassan's -- did you see that

[1:25:07] data?

[1:25:11] $380 million, I can't get that

[1:25:13] data from your department to

[1:25:14] show impact and outcomes.

[1:25:16] My district, I'm done.

[1:25:18] I think that's the theme for

[1:25:18] today.

[1:25:20] I'm done living like this.

[1:25:21] I am done, done, done.

[1:25:22] We've got to get better.

[1:25:26] Thank you, MADAM PRESIDENT.

[1:25:27] One more thing.

[1:25:30] Thank you, MADAM PRESIDENT.

[1:25:31] To answer councilor grout's

[1:25:35] question about pockets of

[1:25:36] poverty, that is held for

[1:25:38] opportunity zones we just went

[1:25:39] through as a city, and thank you

[1:25:41] to secretary rob black for

[1:25:43] giving me and the city of

[1:25:45] albuquerque an extension.

[1:25:48] We almost missed that deadline,

[1:25:49] councilor grout, to identify new

[1:25:50] opportunity zones.

[1:25:52] That is how this map is taking

[1:25:54] care of through our census and

[1:25:57] opportunity zones.

[1:25:58] Thank goodness I know all about

[1:26:00] the census and how this works

[1:26:02] and was able to flag it go

[1:26:04] myself and get an extension from

[1:26:06] the state of new mexico because

[1:26:09] albuquerque missed the deadline.

[1:26:12] and thank goodness we got that

[1:26:13] extension and worked as a team

[1:26:14] with economic development to

[1:26:17] make sure we put in opportunity

[1:26:19] zones so the pockets of poverty

[1:26:21] can be extended to the other

[1:26:22] areas that need them.

[1:26:23] That's the process.

[1:26:25] We almost missed the boat.

[1:26:27] Thank you, MADAM PRESIDENT.

[1:26:28] >>coun. Pe}a: councilor telles.

[1:26:29] >>coun. Telles: thank you, MADAM

[1:26:31] PRESIDENT.

[1:26:34] Hello, director.

[1:26:38] Welcome to the

[1:26:45] circus of chaos.

[1:26:48] I wanted to visit the pockets of

[1:26:49] poverty matter here.

[1:26:52] From our ordinance, it doesn't

[1:26:53] come from opportunity zones.

[1:26:57] It was written into our city's

[1:26:57] ordinance.

[1:26:58] I don't know if you know this,

[1:27:00] so if you do, please indulge me

[1:27:03] for a minute because maybe other

[1:27:04] people don't.

[1:27:06] It was written into our city's

[1:27:10] code of ordinances back in 1987.

[1:27:11] Because we wanted to make sure

[1:27:15] we were in compliance with the

[1:27:15] udag.

[1:27:18] That's what you're following,

[1:27:18] correct?

[1:27:19] Okay.

[1:27:21] The udag no longer exists.

[1:27:26] It was terminated at the federal

[1:27:26] level.

[1:27:29] These funds, as far as I can

[1:27:30] find, haven't been included in

[1:27:32] the cfa for years.

[1:27:34] It's not listed as an active

[1:27:38] federal award.

[1:27:41] So, are you treating these loan

[1:27:43] repayments in that projects fund

[1:27:45] as a permanent condition that

[1:27:47] was tied to those specific

[1:27:49] parameters of pockets of

[1:27:53] poverty?

[1:27:55] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor

[1:27:56] telles, no.

[1:27:57] not in relation to trying it

[1:27:59] into the original grant

[1:28:00] agreements, but in relation to

[1:28:04] trying it into the ordinance.

[1:28:05] >>coun. Telles: right.

[1:28:08] Then, we need to do some work on

[1:28:09] the council.

[1:28:10] Our job now -- we're going to

[1:28:13] have to update that ordinance

[1:28:14] and amend it.

[1:28:18] Because we can't just

[1:28:20] unilaterally extend it outside

[1:28:22] of the pockets of poverty, which

[1:28:24] is an 11-mile area.

[1:28:27] How long have those funds been

[1:28:30] sitting in that fund 277?

[1:28:31] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor

[1:28:33] telles, I don't know exactly,

[1:28:34] but quite sometime.

[1:28:36] >>coun. Telles: yeah, like 40

[1:28:36] years.

[1:28:38] Those funds have been sitting in

[1:28:43] that fund for 40 years.

[1:28:45] It's all been based off of these

[1:28:51] pockets of poverty under a

[1:28:52] definition that hasn't existed

[1:28:55] since 1988.

[1:28:59] So, we need to -- but, we can't

[1:29:00] actually do that until we have

[1:29:03] answers to a couple of things.

[1:29:07] And it requires us to know if

[1:29:11] there is a permanent condition

[1:29:15] in that original udag

[1:29:17] requirement that tied to the

[1:29:20] loan repayment.

[1:29:23] While we can amend that

[1:29:26] ordinance, we can't until we

[1:29:26] know that.

[1:29:29] I had a good conversation with

[1:29:32] MS. Montoya from your office

[1:29:33] earlier today.

[1:29:35] She did send me some really good

[1:29:35] information.

[1:29:36] But I'm really glad that

[1:29:37] councilor grout pulled this

[1:29:39] because we definitely need to

[1:29:42] defer this until we can know

[1:29:43] what those original grant

[1:29:45] parameters were.

[1:29:47] Because we just -- you know, we

[1:29:49] can either -- there's two things

[1:29:51] that can happen.

[1:29:54] We're just stuck within this

[1:29:57] 11-mile restriction that was

[1:30:00] created in 1987, or we can

[1:30:04] expand it to other pockets of

[1:30:05] poverty that exist in the city

[1:30:07] that really, really needs this

[1:30:07] money.

[1:30:12] And that really -- to councilor

[1:30:22] rogers's point, to extend these

[1:30:24] opportunities -- when I was in

[1:30:27] school, when I was 14 or 15

[1:30:30] years old, my family benefitted

[1:30:32] from a rehabilitation program by

[1:30:34] the city.

[1:30:37] This was in las cruces, but it

[1:30:38] made a huge difference.

[1:30:41] We were literally sleeping on

[1:30:43] our concrete floors in our

[1:30:44] house.

[1:30:52] We had to shove napkins in the

[1:30:55] corners of our houses because it

[1:30:57] would get cold.

[1:30:59] It was just -- these type of

[1:31:02] programs are so incredibly

[1:31:04] important and they make it such

[1:31:05] a huge difference that we should

[1:31:09] not be restricting them to

[1:31:12] certain zones when that poverty

[1:31:15] exists throughout the city.

[1:31:19] I do need to -- before we can do

[1:31:22] anything, we have to find out if

[1:31:27] there is any sort of permanent

[1:31:30] condition tied to loan

[1:31:30] repayments.

[1:31:36] It MAY be worth requesting our

[1:31:38] ITAs to extend our scope and

[1:31:40] test that and see if they can

[1:31:43] find that information for us.

[1:31:46] MS. Sandoval, that might be an

[1:31:47] option because this is going to

[1:31:53] go pretty far back into cfa

[1:31:53] items.

[1:31:56] I don't think it's been on -- I

[1:32:03] haven't seen it since the fy24

[1:32:04] acfr.

[1:32:07] I think it came up in, maybe,

[1:32:08] 2008.

[1:32:12] But the historical documents

[1:32:15] aren't very there for us.

[1:32:17] Yeah, I would appreciate if we

[1:32:20] could find that information out

[1:32:23] because otherwise we're

[1:32:26] unfortunately stuck with that

[1:32:32] 11-mile area for this particular

[1:32:33] money.

[1:32:36] Thank you.

[1:32:38] >>coun. Pe}a: thank you.

[1:32:40] Just a couple questions related

[1:32:41] to this.

[1:32:44] This is the home wise that does

[1:32:46] rehabilitation for the houses,

[1:32:47] right?

[1:32:48] Am I correct?

[1:32:49] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, that's

[1:32:49] correct.

[1:32:53] >>coun. Pe}a: that's what where

[1:32:53] a

[1:32:55] -- that's what I assumed it

[1:32:55] was.

[1:32:57] Hearing some of the concerns, I

[1:32:58] think they should probably look

[1:33:02] at, you know, we should always

[1:33:04] revisiting -- we should revisit

[1:33:06] fees and whether we have tax

[1:33:07] increase for revenue.

[1:33:09] We should revisit how we fund

[1:33:11] some of our social service

[1:33:12] grant.

[1:33:13] I think all those things are

[1:33:14] important.

[1:33:16] I'll just say that I think my

[1:33:20] opinion differs a little.

[1:33:21] I just don't want the public to

[1:33:23] think everyone on the council,

[1:33:25] but I'm speaking for myself, put

[1:33:27] it came across that everybody on

[1:33:28] the council feels this way.

[1:33:30] I just want you all to know just

[1:33:32] a few short years ago, I'm not

[1:33:36] sure who was on council then,

[1:33:40] maybe councilor bassan and maybe

[1:33:41] councilor lewis, but we were

[1:33:43] using most of this money --

[1:33:45] correct me if I'm wrong, we were

[1:33:47] using most of this money for

[1:33:48] affordable housing.

[1:33:50] We were stockpiling affordable

[1:33:51] housing dollars.

[1:33:52] and we were not being able to

[1:33:55] get many of those affordable

[1:33:57] housing dollars out the door.

[1:34:00] I did an amendment one year -- I

[1:34:02] think councilor fiebelkorn was

[1:34:05] here -- I did an amendment one

[1:34:06] here to actually take out that

[1:34:11] $3 million for housing

[1:34:12] rehabilitation.

[1:34:13] I think councilor baca later

[1:34:17] renamed it a name -- gave it a

[1:34:17] name.

[1:34:20] Just a few short years ago,

[1:34:21] whether home wise is the only

[1:34:24] recipient who responded or not,

[1:34:27] we were not doing home

[1:34:28] rehabilitation in our city.

[1:34:30] We have so many seniors and

[1:34:35] houses are delpidated, yet we

[1:34:40] take both -- eventually, they

[1:34:44] have their resources to be able

[1:34:48] to rehabilitation their houses.

[1:34:50] And we vote here on this dais to

[1:34:53] condemn that house, knock that

[1:34:55] house down.

[1:34:56] On principle, it's something

[1:34:59] that's needed to be done, but on

[1:35:01] principle, I've never voted for

[1:35:03] those because I said I won't

[1:35:05] vote for those until we have a

[1:35:09] program that helps with housing

[1:35:09] rehabilitation.

[1:35:11] Just carving out that $3

[1:35:13] million, which I think we should

[1:35:15] give this money to home wise and

[1:35:17] we should carve out another six

[1:35:19] or seven million dollars to do

[1:35:20] this because our housing

[1:35:22] stock -- if we're talking about

[1:35:24] housing first and keeping people

[1:35:26] in their houses we need to help

[1:35:27] those in the neighborhoods and

[1:35:30] people who can't afford to make

[1:35:34] those necessary repairs.

[1:35:37] I met with home wise, I talked

[1:35:39] to them about they've done with

[1:35:42] the resources.

[1:35:43] Unfortunately, the resources

[1:35:46] don't go as far as we would

[1:35:46] like.

[1:35:52] i know they ended up helping 60

[1:35:56] homeowners, but -- 58?

[1:35:57] I know it was about 58 for the

[1:35:59] $3 million.

[1:36:01] I would hope that our department

[1:36:03] can look at how we get the best

[1:36:07] bang for the dollar in terms of

[1:36:11] $2.8 million for 60 homes, even

[1:36:12] though there's all the costs

[1:36:14] that's associated with it.

[1:36:15] They have administrative cost

[1:36:17] and utility cost and everything

[1:36:20] is partially factored into this.

[1:36:23] And as we bring these back in

[1:36:25] house like we used to have the

[1:36:27] housing, right, which I'm for

[1:36:31] those kinds of things, but as

[1:36:35] far as I know home wise has done

[1:36:36] a decent job.

[1:36:37] I think you guys have to do do

[1:36:40] the checks and balances to make

[1:36:41] sure for that.

[1:36:43] But I really think that this is

[1:36:47] just a drop in the bucket.

[1:36:50] In reality, $2.8 million can

[1:36:54] only help 60 homes, we have to

[1:36:55] do better.

[1:36:56] 68 homes.

[1:36:57] We were all wrong.

[1:37:00] It was 68 homes.

[1:37:03] Just to say that, I'm not going

[1:37:06] to vote for the deferral.

[1:37:09] I do think when we're talking

[1:37:11] about some of these things, even

[1:37:12] budgetary how we need these

[1:37:14] things and how we need housing

[1:37:15] rehabilitation and we need it in

[1:37:18] more pockets of poverty and as

[1:37:20] you can see the frustration from

[1:37:22] some councilors here talking

[1:37:24] about it they want it in their

[1:37:26] area as well, this is a new

[1:37:27] program that just started a few

[1:37:28] years ago.

[1:37:30] And the demand out there is so

[1:37:34] high that we're a little bit

[1:37:35] behind the eight ball.

[1:37:37] I hope when we talk about the

[1:37:38] budget, we do that.

[1:37:39] And when we talk about

[1:37:41] affordable housing dollars, I

[1:37:44] know it helps the bigger cause,

[1:37:46] but putting everything just into

[1:37:49] affordable housing doesn't

[1:37:51] address our neighbors in our

[1:37:52] community.

[1:37:55] With that, I will go to

[1:37:57] councilor grout for her main

[1:37:57] motion.

[1:37:59] >>coun. Grout: I would like to

[1:38:01] defer it for two weeks so we can

[1:38:06] have a little bit more offline

[1:38:09] conversations and plan going

[1:38:09] forward.

[1:38:10] I think it's great program.

[1:38:11] I'm all for it.

[1:38:15] But I have some questions.

[1:38:16] >>coun. Pe}a: there's a motion

[1:38:20] and a second for a two-week

[1:38:21] deferral.

[1:38:22] [Roll call].

[1:38:23] >>coun. Baca: yes.

[1:38:25] >>coun. Bassan: no.

[1:38:26] >>coun. Champine: yes.

[1:38:28] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: yes.

[1:38:30] >>coun. Grout: yes.

[1:38:32] >>coun. Lewis: yes.

[1:38:35] >>coun. Rogers: yes.

[1:38:37] >>coun. Telles: yes.

[1:38:37] >>coun. Pe}a: no.

[1:38:41] >> passes on a 7-2 vote.

[1:38:42] >>coun. Pe}a: thank you.

[1:38:43] We're now on announcements,

[1:38:47] which is item 9.

[1:38:49] Councilor lewis.

[1:38:51] >>coun. Lewis: one second.

[1:38:52] There will be a finance

[1:38:53] government operations committee

[1:38:56] meeting on monday, AUGUST 10,

[1:38:57] 5:00 P.M. In city council

[1:38:59] committee room, ninth floor

[1:39:03] suite 9003 city of albuquerque

[1:39:04] government center.

[1:39:05] >>coun. Pe}a: councilor bassan.

[1:39:06] >>coun. Bassan: there will be an

[1:39:07] intergovernmental legislative

[1:39:09] relations committee meeting on

[1:39:11] wednesday, AUGUST 5th at 3:00

[1:39:12] P.M. Via zoom.

[1:39:13] And there's a land use planning

[1:39:15] zoning committee meeting on

[1:39:18] wednesday, AUGUST 12th at 5:00

[1:39:19] P.M. In the vincent e. Griego

[1:39:20] chambers basement level of the

[1:39:21] albuquerque government center.

[1:39:23] This will be a hybrid meeting.

[1:39:25] >>coun. Pe}a: thank you,

[1:39:27] councilor bassan, for those two

[1:39:28] announcements.

[1:39:34] It is now 7:05.

[1:39:34] I apologize.

[1:39:35] Councilor rogers.

[1:39:36] >>coun. Rogers: thank you, MADAM

[1:39:36] PRESIDENT.

[1:39:38] I just wanted to announce we

[1:39:40] have national night out tomorrow

[1:39:41] across the city.

[1:39:45] If you google cabq national

[1:39:47] night out you can find one at a

[1:39:48] park or somewhere near you.

[1:39:51] I think we have over 40 events

[1:39:54] across the entire city.

[1:39:55] Me and councilor baca compete

[1:39:57] for who has more.

[1:40:00] I think he has beat me by one.

[1:40:04] District six has seven events to

[1:40:05] join us.

[1:40:07] All the council districts.

[1:40:09] I encourage everybody to come

[1:40:09] out.

[1:40:11] This is about engaging in a

[1:40:13] different way with our

[1:40:15] neighbors, with each other,

[1:40:17] neighborhood associations, city

[1:40:18] leaders.

[1:40:20] All of us I'm sure are making

[1:40:21] the rounds.

[1:40:26] I know directors are getting

[1:40:26] assigned.

[1:40:27] It's really one of my favorite

[1:40:29] times to humanize each other to

[1:40:30] each other.

[1:40:32] We're all in this albuquerque

[1:40:33] together.

[1:40:34] And national night out is a

[1:40:37] really good time for us to break

[1:40:38] bread together.

[1:40:41] I'm hosting one at daniel

[1:40:43] webster park.

[1:40:45] We have taco tuesday happening.

[1:40:49] and we have rockin' rob and dj's

[1:40:52] spinning the ones and twos.

[1:40:53] I encourage everyone to come on

[1:40:55] out and find one near you.

[1:40:56] Let's fellowship together.

[1:40:58] Thank you, MADAM PRESIDENT.

[1:41:00] >>coun. Pe}a: thank you,

[1:41:01] councilor rogers.

[1:41:04] Now, it is 7:08.

[1:41:06] We are going to take a dinner

[1:41:07] break.

[1:41:09] We'll return at 7:40.

[1:41:15] >>coun. Pe}a: okay, everyone.

[1:41:18] We're back in session.

[1:41:23] We're now on item 10, financial

[1:41:24] instruments.

[1:41:25] This is councilor baca by

[1:41:29] request.

[1:41:29] O-38.

[1:41:36] Councilor baca.

[1:41:38] >>coun. Baca: thank you, MADAM

[1:41:39] PRESIDENT.

[1:41:40] O-38, authorizing the issuance

[1:41:42] and sale of the albuquerque, new

[1:41:45] mexico, taxable industrial

[1:41:47] revenue bond sawmill hotel

[1:41:50] projects series 2026 in the

[1:41:54] principle amount of $40.2

[1:41:57] million to construct improve the

[1:42:02] sawmill dream catcher hotel and

[1:42:05] hampton suites with 130 guest

[1:42:05] rooms.

[1:42:07] I guess we open it up to public

[1:42:07] comment.

[1:42:10] >>coun. Pe}a: was that a motion?

[1:42:25] You need to make a motion.

[1:42:28] There's a motion, and a second

[1:42:29] by councilor fiebelkorn for do

[1:42:34] pass of o-38.

[1:42:35] Councilor baca to open.

[1:42:37] >>coun. Baca: thank you, MADAM

[1:42:37] PRESIDENT.

[1:42:38] I think I'd like to start with

[1:42:41] public comment on this one.

[1:42:42] Everybody has been waiting.

[1:42:46] We have quite a few people.

[1:42:47] >>coun. Pe}a: okay.

[1:42:50] Call our first speaker, garret.

[1:42:51] >> thank you, MADAM PRESIDENT.

[1:42:54] Our first speaker is senator

[1:43:05] o'malley followed by lisa.

[1:43:10] >> MADAM Chair, I do have a

[1:43:13] handout just so you can get a

[1:43:15] sense of the -- you know, it's a

[1:43:18] very primitive drawing, but it

[1:43:24] gives you a sense of where we're

[1:43:25] talking about.

[1:43:27] Good evening, MADAM PRESIDENT,

[1:43:28] councilors, I'm debbie o'malley.

[1:43:31] I serve as advisor to the board

[1:43:33] of directors for the sawmill

[1:43:34] land trust.

[1:43:35] I do want to say I appreciate

[1:43:38] you have taken our concerns into

[1:43:39] consideration regarding the irb

[1:43:42] for hotel in the sawmill

[1:43:42] district.

[1:43:46] I did get a call from the

[1:43:48] developer on thursday.

[1:43:52] I met with him that afternoon.

[1:43:54] He said he wants to move forward

[1:43:55] with five stories.

[1:43:58] That is the model he based his

[1:43:59] model on.

[1:44:02] Any change to the model would

[1:44:03] require he reevaluate whether

[1:44:05] that project is feasible.

[1:44:06] That's what happens when you do

[1:44:07] development.

[1:44:08] In particular, we do a private

[1:44:09] development and you're asking

[1:44:12] for tax subsidies.

[1:44:14] It's not a static thing.

[1:44:17] You have to revise it because of

[1:44:17] changes.

[1:44:19] That argument could be made that

[1:44:20] feasibility is placed on a

[1:44:22] number of units.

[1:44:24] We're not suggesting that he

[1:44:25] reduce the number of rooms,

[1:44:27] we're just suggesting the height

[1:44:30] standards listed in mx-m be

[1:44:30] followed.

[1:44:32] He also stated he would not put

[1:44:34] windows on the side of the

[1:44:35] hotels so the people could not

[1:44:38] look into people's yards.

[1:44:42] Since it would be next to single

[1:44:44] family housing.

[1:44:50] That would be pretty weird.

[1:44:52] he also said he was approved for

[1:44:54] variance of a building for 60

[1:44:55] feet.

[1:44:57] Assuming this is true, he would

[1:44:59] have a variance for up to 60

[1:44:59] feet.

[1:45:01] This is not a requirement he

[1:45:03] build to 60 feet.

[1:45:10] This council has a right to

[1:45:11] lower the irb.

[1:45:15] If it's the council's wish to

[1:45:17] approve, we wish the restriction

[1:45:20] for height and traffic for exit

[1:45:23] and entering the development be

[1:45:23] supported.

[1:45:27] Thank you so much.

[1:45:33] >> lisa followed by michael.

[1:45:34] >> hello.

[1:45:36] It's been a while.

[1:45:38] Thank you so very much.

[1:45:40] I'm here on behalf of new mexico

[1:45:41] stronger together coalition.

[1:45:42] As the founder.

[1:45:45] Speaking to o-26-38, we

[1:45:49] recognize that we are in need of

[1:45:51] businesses and hotels and places

[1:45:53] for people to stay when they

[1:45:55] come and visit.

[1:45:57] What we have been looking at and

[1:45:59] for myself individually I very

[1:46:00] much appreciate the patience

[1:46:02] we've had.

[1:46:04] And not ramrodding things and

[1:46:06] taking the time and listening to

[1:46:07] community.

[1:46:09] The reality is you can make a

[1:46:11] hotel and force one to be there,

[1:46:12] that doesn't mean the community

[1:46:14] is going to accept it or

[1:46:14] partner.

[1:46:16] I would encourage us to go at

[1:46:18] the pace of the community that

[1:46:19] lives there.

[1:46:20] That doesn't mean you can't get

[1:46:23] a hotel, I'm just asking -- and

[1:46:25] thank you to the developers and

[1:46:27] listening and partnering with

[1:46:27] our community.

[1:46:29] Our goal going forward is we

[1:46:33] don't have to be at odds for tax

[1:46:34] subsidies.

[1:46:36] But we can do this together.

[1:46:37] Community is not opposed to

[1:46:38] development, just include us.

[1:46:41] Please.

[1:46:56] >> michael followed by austin.

[1:47:09] Austin followed by peat.

[1:47:11] >> I've never done formal

[1:47:12] speaking.

[1:47:13] Deal with me.

[1:47:15] I'm a new mexico native, born

[1:47:17] and raised in the north valley.

[1:47:23] I went to st. Pious and went to

[1:47:23] unm.

[1:47:25] I wanted to get off it the

[1:47:28] sidelines and be proactive on

[1:47:30] voicing my opinion in the

[1:47:31] community.

[1:47:34] I'm in support of the new hotel

[1:47:38] in the sawmill district.

[1:47:40] After looking into a night for

[1:47:42] special occasion and closer

[1:47:45] hotels in the area, it ranges

[1:47:52] from ch a -- chaco at $477.

[1:47:55] It's not doable for somebody

[1:47:55] like me.

[1:47:59] A nice likeally mid-range priced

[1:48:01] hotel with walking distance and

[1:48:05] the restaurant and old town and

[1:48:05] dpal

[1:48:08] galleries and museums, I think

[1:48:09] it would be help with traffic.

[1:48:14] More walking and people doing

[1:48:14] that.

[1:48:15] That's all I have.

[1:48:18] Hopefully that's enough.

[1:48:19] I think it would be a great

[1:48:20] addition.

[1:48:22] Thank you so much for your time.

[1:48:33] >> pete followed by tod.

[1:48:36] >> I am the manager of plaza don

[1:48:40] luiz and I own the taproom and

[1:48:41] live in old town.

[1:48:43] I retired from the state police

[1:48:45] in 2019 as the chief.

[1:48:47] I know about crime and what goes

[1:48:48] on in the area.

[1:48:50] I support the development.

[1:48:52] I think it's difficult for new

[1:48:53] construction projects in old

[1:48:53] town.

[1:48:56] This is as close aswe're going

[1:48:59] to get.

[1:49:00] The developers decided not to

[1:49:01] include a bar or restaurant,

[1:49:02] which is great.

[1:49:04] Because where are those folks

[1:49:06] going that are staying there?

[1:49:08] They're going to old town and

[1:49:10] sawmill and visit the local

[1:49:10] establishments.

[1:49:12] I think it offers an affordable

[1:49:14] place for the average tourist to

[1:49:16] stay when they come to downtown

[1:49:17] and old town which is great for

[1:49:18] the community.

[1:49:19] Creates some good jobs too.

[1:49:24] For the irb, I feel it should be

[1:49:25] extended to anyone as it has

[1:49:27] been for other entities.

[1:49:29] I fully support it.

[1:49:29] Thank you.

[1:49:33] >> haily followed by tom.

[1:49:37] >> hello, MADAM PRESIDENT,

[1:49:37] councilors.

[1:49:39] I am here to express my support

[1:49:41] for the industrial revenue bond.

[1:49:44] My first point is that this

[1:49:47] hotel will befality

[1:49:50] nefit albuquerque.

[1:49:53] It strengthen's albuquerque's

[1:49:56] ability to compete with houston

[1:49:57] and phoenix.

[1:50:00] Meeting planners consider many

[1:50:03] factors when considering

[1:50:05] destinations including

[1:50:06] availability of programs.

[1:50:09] We want to become part of the

[1:50:10] community and create meaningful

[1:50:12] long-term careers for residents.

[1:50:15] Sun capital hotels has a

[1:50:16] leadership development program

[1:50:18] available to every employee not

[1:50:19] just a select few.

[1:50:20] And an employee's current

[1:50:23] position does not determine how

[1:50:25] they can -- a person can begin

[1:50:27] in housekeeping, maintenance or

[1:50:29] front desk and development into

[1:50:30] a supervisor department head or

[1:50:31] general manager.

[1:50:33] For these reasons, I

[1:50:34] respectfully ask you to support

[1:50:36] this irb and thank you for your

[1:50:42] consideration.

[1:50:45] >> dina followed by aaron.

[1:50:48] >> good evening, everybody.

[1:50:52] I'm the general manager of

[1:50:54] albuquerque uptown.

[1:50:56] I've been -- I spent over 17

[1:50:58] years in the hospitality

[1:50:58] industry.

[1:51:00] I'm in support of improving the

[1:51:02] irb for the project.

[1:51:04] I understand concerns about

[1:51:07] traffic and architecture and

[1:51:11] bringing a hillton bran into old

[1:51:11] town.

[1:51:13] It will be locally owned and

[1:51:15] operated and create local jobs

[1:51:16] while generating tax revenue

[1:51:18] that stays in the community.

[1:51:20] Most importantly, hotels don't

[1:51:22] just serve tourists, they serve

[1:51:23] neighbors.

[1:51:26] Every year, families are

[1:51:28] displaced because of house

[1:51:33] fires, flooding, mold and other

[1:51:33] emergencies.

[1:51:35] Most homeowners insurance

[1:51:37] include coverage for temporary

[1:51:39] hotel stays when a home is no

[1:51:40] longer safe.

[1:51:43] Allowing families to stay close

[1:51:44] door communities.

[1:51:47] Throughout my career I've seen

[1:51:49] them stay with us for weeks and

[1:51:51] months while they put their

[1:51:52] lives back together.

[1:51:54] Having quality affordable hotels

[1:51:56] means our residents have a safe

[1:51:58] place to go during some of the

[1:51:59] most difficult times in their

[1:51:59] life.

[1:52:01] These hotels will also provide

[1:52:05] an affordable option for local

[1:52:07] families, hosting out of town

[1:52:07] visitors.

[1:52:08] >>coun. Pe}a: thank you.

[1:52:10] Your time is up.

[1:52:15] >> aaron followed by bernice.

[1:52:16] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilors,

[1:52:18] thank you for having us here

[1:52:19] tonight.

[1:52:20] Sun capital hotels changed the

[1:52:22] path of my career by believing

[1:52:23] in me and giving me the

[1:52:27] opportunity to become a general

[1:52:27] manager.

[1:52:29] They saw the skills I already

[1:52:31] had and invested in my potential

[1:52:32] and trusted me to take the

[1:52:34] challenge to help me grow in

[1:52:37] ways I never imagined.

[1:52:38] Though this opportunity --

[1:52:39] through this opportunity, I

[1:52:40] learned how to solve new

[1:52:43] construction and pre-opening

[1:52:44] challenges.

[1:52:46] Train and develop employees, and

[1:52:47] set up new business for

[1:52:48] long-term success.

[1:52:50] Most importantly, I was able to

[1:52:53] help others by hiring a local

[1:52:54] team, building strong company

[1:52:57] culture and developing future

[1:52:59] leaders with sun capital hotels.

[1:53:00] This experience shows me that

[1:53:03] sun capital hotels truly einvest

[1:53:05] in people, promotes from within

[1:53:07] and prepares team members for

[1:53:09] successful leadership

[1:53:09] opportunities.

[1:53:11] I am grateful for the trust they

[1:53:13] placed in me because not only

[1:53:15] did it change my career, degave

[1:53:17] me the chance to help shape

[1:53:18] career for others.

[1:53:20] Thank you.

[1:53:24] >> bernice followed by robert.

[1:53:28] >> good evening, PRESIDENT,

[1:53:29] councilors.

[1:53:35] I live in the -- I am the

[1:53:37] executive housekeeper there.

[1:53:40] Throughout my career, I assist

[1:53:42] with the leadership development

[1:53:46] program at sun capitals program.

[1:53:48] I have experienced significant

[1:53:50] personal and professional growth

[1:53:52] as I have developed I also

[1:53:54] remain committed to supporting

[1:53:56] the growth of and success to

[1:53:58] supporting the growth in success

[1:54:01] to others by encouraging

[1:54:02] opportunities.

[1:54:04] I believe these new projects

[1:54:06] represents an exceptional

[1:54:11] opportunity not only for the

[1:54:12] companies expansion, but also

[1:54:14] for the professional development

[1:54:18] for our employees.

[1:54:19] It would create new career

[1:54:21] paths, strengthen our workforce

[1:54:23] and provide meaningful

[1:54:24] employment opportunities for

[1:54:28] members of our community.

[1:54:31] Thank you.

[1:54:36] >> robert followed by adrian.

[1:54:37] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, fellow

[1:54:39] council members.

[1:54:44] I am the general manager of

[1:54:45] fairfield inn.

[1:54:47] I grew up near central avenue

[1:54:48] near old town.

[1:54:50] I am proud to call albuquerque

[1:54:51] home.

[1:54:53] I worked in hospitality for 18

[1:54:54] years.

[1:54:56] Starting in housekeeping and

[1:54:58] working my way up through the

[1:54:58] ranks.

[1:55:01] Before joining sun capital

[1:55:02] hotels I held leadership

[1:55:04] positions and they gave me the

[1:55:05] opportunity to grow in my

[1:55:08] current role as general manager.

[1:55:10] Sun capital believes in

[1:55:12] investing in people and the

[1:55:14] opportunity to attend

[1:55:14] conferences.

[1:55:17] I was given the tools to grow

[1:55:18] professionally and personally.

[1:55:20] Today, I have the privilege of

[1:55:21] paying that forward.

[1:55:23] I mentor and development

[1:55:24] employees.

[1:55:25] I am proud to say two of my

[1:55:26] associates completed leadership

[1:55:28] programs and managed departments

[1:55:29] of their own.

[1:55:31] started from breakfast and now

[1:55:33] are front office manager and

[1:55:35] house keepers.

[1:55:37] I built strong relationship with

[1:55:38] local businesses especially

[1:55:40] restaurants and I hope you guys

[1:55:47] support this.

[1:55:53] >> adrian followed by consuela.

[1:55:56] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilors,

[1:55:58] I've spoken on behalf of this

[1:55:58] before.

[1:56:00] I'm asking you to protect the

[1:56:01] sawmill district.

[1:56:03] How I thought I could express my

[1:56:06] thoughts in a one-minute session

[1:56:10] in front of you is best

[1:56:12] illustrated by a koat channel 7

[1:56:16] investigation that was done JUNE

[1:56:17] 13th of this year.

[1:56:19] The headline reads, albuquerque

[1:56:22] hotels denied booking to local

[1:56:22] residents.

[1:56:28] Two hilton inn expresses have

[1:56:29] policies prohibiting local

[1:56:31] residents from booking rooms.

[1:56:34] With one citing concerns about

[1:56:35] unsavory activity.

[1:56:37] I can't read the whole article

[1:56:37] to you.

[1:56:38] What I'm asking you to do is

[1:56:40] protect the sawmill district.

[1:56:43] A limited service hotel in the

[1:56:46] most culturally sensitive

[1:56:47] district in the city that we've

[1:56:49] worked so hard for the last 25

[1:56:51] years to cure at something

[1:56:52] special in the district with old

[1:56:55] town and sawmill does not need

[1:56:55] this.

[1:56:58] Thank you very much for your

[1:56:58] consideration.

[1:57:04] >> consuela followed by viola.

[1:57:09] >> good afternoon.

[1:57:11] Evening, actually, already.

[1:57:13] I am a general manager for the

[1:57:15] sun capital honechlz I

[1:57:18] hotels.

[1:57:20] Sun capital is one of the most

[1:57:22] caring companies I ever worked

[1:57:22] for.

[1:57:24] not only do their care about our

[1:57:25] team members but they care about

[1:57:26] our beautiful city.

[1:57:28] We volunteer in our community,

[1:57:30] purchase school supplies for our

[1:57:31] team member's children.

[1:57:33] We purchase turkeys and hams for

[1:57:37] our team members over the the

[1:57:37] holidays.

[1:57:39] That's just a few things we do.

[1:57:42] I worked at a hotel previously

[1:57:44] owned by sun capital that was

[1:57:45] sold to a different owner.

[1:57:50] When the sale occurred, dapesh

[1:57:52] gave me the opportunity to stay

[1:57:54] with the same hotel or move to

[1:57:56] another hotel within the sun

[1:57:57] capital company.

[1:58:00] At the time I chose to stay at

[1:58:02] the hotel, I realized my home

[1:58:03] was with sun capital.

[1:58:05] He welcomed me back as a general

[1:58:12] manager of an hilton hotel.

[1:58:14] Hilton is not only a huge brand,

[1:58:16] but sun capital is a local

[1:58:20] company who takes pride and is

[1:58:22] proud to be part of the city of

[1:58:23] albuquerque.

[1:58:27] >>coun. Pe}a: thank you.

[1:58:38] >> viola followed by david.

[1:58:39] >> good evening, MADAM

[1:58:42] PRESIDENT, city councilors.

[1:58:44] I am PRESIDENT Of the sawmill

[1:58:45] land trust.

[1:58:47] At the last meeting we all spoke

[1:58:48] about the fact that the traffic

[1:58:50] is becoming a worse problem in

[1:58:52] the sawmill district.

[1:58:54] And this five story hotel would

[1:58:56] increase traffic along 18th

[1:58:57] street.

[1:58:58] The developers said at that time

[1:59:00] the traffic would be less than

[1:59:02] that of an office building and

[1:59:04] he did not have to get a traffic

[1:59:05] study.

[1:59:07] Maybe not for an irb, but likely

[1:59:10] for a building permit.

[1:59:12] The fact is 18th street is not

[1:59:14] an arterial street that can

[1:59:16] carry a lot of vehicle traffic.

[1:59:19] It is a street where pedestrian

[1:59:23] traffic, bicycle traffic is

[1:59:23] paramount.

[1:59:25] For these reasons, we ask our

[1:59:26] councilors to move amendments

[1:59:28] forward for traffic and height

[1:59:31] as condition of approval for the

[1:59:31] irb.

[1:59:34] It is important we get it right

[1:59:35] at this area that we consider

[1:59:41] the adjacent land use and design

[1:59:42] and neighborhood character.

[1:59:44] Thank you so much for your time.

[1:59:51] >> david, followed by orlando.

[1:59:53] >> I don't know if this camera

[1:59:57] can focus on this.

[2:00:04] Can it focus on that?

[2:00:06] I'm PRESIDENT Of the sawmill

[2:00:08] area neighborhood association.

[2:00:10] And we are not opposed to the

[2:00:11] development.

[2:00:13] We think the idea of the hotel

[2:00:14] is great.

[2:00:17] I like the idea of the

[2:00:18] mid-priced hotel.

[2:00:20] But we're against the five

[2:00:20] stories.

[2:00:21] Three stories would be good.

[2:00:25] Four stories, ehh, five stories

[2:00:28] is the sort of thing that gets

[2:00:30] the neighborhood association

[2:00:30] irritated.

[2:00:31] I think the council needs to

[2:00:32] take that into account.

[2:00:34] If you look at this map, it's

[2:00:39] part of the packet you got

[2:00:40] originally, the red dot is where

[2:00:42] the hotel is, what you'll note

[2:00:44] is on this proposal they cut all

[2:00:44] the neighborhood away.

[2:00:46] All you have here is industrial

[2:00:46] stuff.

[2:00:48] You have the apartments in this

[2:00:49] area.

[2:00:51] But the rest of it is not where

[2:00:53] folks live, most of the time.

[2:00:54] Where the folks live is to the

[2:00:56] east of that.

[2:00:58] That will be impacted by a

[2:01:01] five-story building.

[2:01:03] I think that's a bit of the

[2:01:05] metaphor for the procedure that

[2:01:08] has gone on for this which is

[2:01:10] worried about grt.

[2:01:12] We need to worry about the

[2:01:12] neighbors.

[2:01:13] For this reason, we're opposed

[2:01:17] to a five-story building.

[2:01:19] We're not opposed to a hotel.

[2:01:24] >> orlando, followed by shaun on

[2:01:25] zoom.

[2:01:26] >> good evening, MADAM

[2:01:27] PRESIDENT, councilors.

[2:01:28] I'm the executive director of

[2:01:30] the sawmill community land

[2:01:30] trust.

[2:01:34] I attended the meeting, the

[2:01:37] communication consultant had.

[2:01:40] As we mentioned at the last

[2:01:42] meeting the land trust is

[2:01:44] gearing up to the plan

[2:01:47] repairening parcel.

[2:01:49] Our effort include a traffic

[2:01:49] study.

[2:01:50] We appreciate the councilor

[2:01:51] support for the effort.

[2:01:52] Developments that exceed two

[2:01:54] stories comply with the mxm none

[2:01:57] of which exceed the maximum

[2:01:59] height called out in the zon,

[2:02:00] that's because the development

[2:02:03] abuts a single family

[2:02:04] subdivision.

[2:02:05] We're asking the developers

[2:02:06] consider the effort that height

[2:02:08] and traffic on the existing

[2:02:08] community.

[2:02:10] This proposed hotel abuts an

[2:02:12] older single family

[2:02:12] neighborhood.

[2:02:15] What is being proposed is a five

[2:02:19] story boss, how is that

[2:02:20] acceptable?

[2:02:22] Please consider the amendments

[2:02:24] to right that height comply with

[2:02:28] mxm and any vehicular traffic

[2:02:30] proposed enter and exit through

[2:02:31] connection through 12th street.

[2:02:34] >> shaun followed by jasper.

[2:02:36] >>coun. Pe}a: one second.

[2:02:38] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilors,

[2:02:39] I'd like to make you aware that

[2:02:42] the site plan and building a

[2:02:45] permit stage of the proposed

[2:02:46] development is going to be

[2:02:48] considered quasi-judicial

[2:02:50] commentary on design and zoning

[2:02:53] for the property should be

[2:02:56] limited and that will be for

[2:02:57] further discussion as this

[2:02:58] progresses.

[2:03:02] >>coun. Pe}a: thank you.

[2:03:07] >> shaun, followed by jasper.

[2:03:09] >> good evening, can everyone

[2:03:10] hear me?

[2:03:13] >> we hear you very well.

[2:03:14] >> thank you.

[2:03:16] I was born and raised in

[2:03:17] albuquerque, new mexico.

[2:03:20] And as someone that owns a small

[2:03:21] local business in the north

[2:03:22] valley, I care about our local

[2:03:24] community and its growth.

[2:03:26] I believe this hotel project by

[2:03:28] sun capital will greatly benefit

[2:03:31] albuquerque sawmill and the old

[2:03:33] town area by supporting existing

[2:03:35] businesses, replacing daytime

[2:03:36] office traffic with vibrant

[2:03:38] weekend and providing affordable

[2:03:39] lodging.

[2:03:42] There are tons of community and

[2:03:43] economic benefits.

[2:03:48] It will boost log

[2:03:49] cal shops and

[2:03:50] restaurants and museums.

[2:03:51] This hotel in particular will

[2:03:54] not have an on-site bar or

[2:03:54] restaurant.

[2:03:56] I see tremendous opportunity for

[2:03:58] local growth that this project

[2:04:04] will replace the 25,000 square

[2:04:05] foot office building. It fills

[2:04:07] the need for quality mid-scale

[2:04:09] hotel that costs less than the

[2:04:10] local luxury options.

[2:04:12] This hotel will be affordable

[2:04:13] and community based.

[2:04:15] The architecture of this project

[2:04:17] will match the existing theme of

[2:04:18] sawmill and in turn make it a

[2:04:20] great companion hotel to the

[2:04:21] area.

[2:04:23] It will create jobs and revenue

[2:04:26] by generating construction jobs

[2:04:28] permanent hospitality work and

[2:04:30] opportunity for local workforce.

[2:04:31] As someone who lived in

[2:04:33] albuquerque their entire life, I

[2:04:35] understand the want and the need

[2:04:36] for this project.

[2:04:41] It's local, affordable,

[2:04:42] job-generating and encourages

[2:04:45] positive traffic to the sawmill

[2:04:48] and old town area.

[2:04:50] Thank you very much.

[2:04:53] >> jazz

[2:04:55] sper followed by shane.

[2:04:55] >> good evening.

[2:04:58] I'm the owner of noisy water

[2:05:02] winery and plaza don luis.

[2:05:04] I support the sawmill project.

[2:05:09] I see how tourism vanth

[2:05:09] strengthens

[2:05:12] local businesses.

[2:05:14] For museums, wineries, shops and

[2:05:15] attractions in the area.

[2:05:18] I like this hotel is designed to

[2:05:19] compliment the neighborhood.

[2:05:21] Without the restaurant and bar

[2:05:23] guests will explore old town and

[2:05:25] sawmill supporting the

[2:05:27] businesses that already invested

[2:05:31] in the community, it generates

[2:05:32] jobs and help albuquerque

[2:05:33] continue to grow as a

[2:05:33] destination.

[2:05:35] I believe this is a thoughtful

[2:05:36] redevelopment that will benefit

[2:05:37] the surrounding neighborhood and

[2:05:38] local economy.

[2:05:41] I respectfully ask for your

[2:05:42] support.

[2:05:42] Thank you.

[2:05:58] >> shane followed by douglas.

[2:06:03] >> I'm the owner of rent macy

[2:06:04] electric out of gallup, new

[2:06:04] mexico.

[2:06:07] We've had contract work in

[2:06:08] albuquerque, which has required

[2:06:12] us to house our employees.

[2:06:14] And we usually have a hotel

[2:06:17] about seven to ten rooms per

[2:06:18] week.

[2:06:21] Over the last several years.

[2:06:24] I believe this hotel it will be

[2:06:26] a tremendous benefit to have a

[2:06:28] dual ground hotel built in the

[2:06:29] sawmill district.

[2:06:30] Not only for employees like mine

[2:06:31] to stay but also for the

[2:06:34] business travellers, leisure

[2:06:36] travellers, they'll be able to

[2:06:37] enjoy historic downtown and

[2:06:39] newer restaurants and breweries

[2:06:40] and entertainment.

[2:06:42] All of this is within walking

[2:06:46] distance of where this hotel is

[2:06:47] going to be.

[2:06:50] It would be great for the owners

[2:06:53] of the businesses in that area

[2:06:54] also.

[2:06:56] I also have the opportunity to

[2:06:58] work with sun capital hotels and

[2:07:00] like the employees have said, he

[2:07:02] also treats the people that he

[2:07:03] works with the same way.

[2:07:07] Please support this irb.

[2:07:14] Thank you.

[2:07:28] >> douglas, followed by ray.

[2:07:30] >> good evening, everyone.

[2:07:33] My name is dugerous

[2:07:34] ouglas.

[2:07:37] I live in phoenix, arizona.

[2:07:42] I do almost all of my work in

[2:07:42] albuquerque.

[2:07:47] I'm also a diamond member at

[2:07:48] hilton.

[2:07:52] And I stay at hilton products.

[2:07:53] This would be great for me and

[2:07:54] my business.

[2:07:56] I do most of my meetings, as I

[2:07:58] do not have a full-time office,

[2:08:01] at local establishments,

[2:08:02] restaurants, starbucks.

[2:08:04] Any coffee shop.

[2:08:06] This will be a great avenue to

[2:08:07] stay and walk.

[2:08:09] I'm usually there for about five

[2:08:10] days per week.

[2:08:13] Two or three times a month.

[2:08:18] Thank you for your time.

[2:08:22] >> ray followed by diana.

[2:08:24] >> good afternoon, or good

[2:08:24] evening.

[2:08:26] Thank you for this opportunity.

[2:08:28] I've been a citizen of

[2:08:30] albuquerque for 30 years.

[2:08:32] I want to give you a background

[2:08:34] to give you context on my

[2:08:34] comments.

[2:08:36] I served as risk manager and

[2:08:38] insurance broker for over 48

[2:08:38] years.

[2:08:40] I walked thousands of properties

[2:08:43] and looked at many projects with

[2:08:46] an eye toward risk management,

[2:08:49] staft safety, commitment of the

[2:08:49] developer.

[2:08:51] I've also been working with sun

[2:08:53] capital and the leadership team

[2:08:54] for the last 15 years.

[2:08:56] I've been privileged to watch

[2:08:58] this leadership team work so

[2:08:58] hard.

[2:09:01] I worked and walked all of the

[2:09:02] properties owned by sun capital

[2:09:05] in the state of new mexico and

[2:09:06] tell you without exception they

[2:09:08] meet and exceed the standards

[2:09:10] for life safety, public safety,

[2:09:12] and fire prevention.

[2:09:13] They work hard.

[2:09:14] I've watched them and witnessed

[2:09:16] them invest millions of dollars

[2:09:18] into their property to ensure

[2:09:20] that the property continues not

[2:09:22] only to be safe, but to be

[2:09:25] aesthetically correct for the

[2:09:25] areas.

[2:09:28] Proof of that concept is what

[2:09:30] they've done in the I-25

[2:09:32] corridor as well as uptown.

[2:09:36] I am in support of this project.

[2:09:37] I am confident that sun capital

[2:09:39] will deliver on their promise to

[2:09:42] give you a quality product

[2:09:43] that's safe for the public and

[2:09:44] benefits the economy.

[2:09:51] thank you for your time today.

[2:09:58] >> diana followed by johnny.

[2:10:00] Diana, you'll have to accept

[2:10:17] promotion to panelist.

[2:10:18] >> can you hear me?

[2:10:20] >> we can hear you.

[2:10:21] Thank you.

[2:10:24] >> hello, I am joining you from

[2:10:25] las cruces.

[2:10:27] I am an employee of sun capital

[2:10:31] hotels as general manager at the

[2:10:33] holiday inn express north.

[2:10:34] I have witnessed the growth of

[2:10:36] the company and excited with all

[2:10:38] the projects that are in the

[2:10:38] pipeline.

[2:10:41] In my journey with sun capital

[2:10:42] hotels they have given me the

[2:10:44] opportunity to focus on my

[2:10:44] leadership growth.

[2:10:47] I have been a mentor for the

[2:10:48] company's future leaders in a

[2:10:50] program that they developed to

[2:10:53] invest and promote within.

[2:10:55] In addition, I've also been

[2:10:56] approached by the city of las

[2:10:58] cruces to be part of the

[2:11:00] lodger's tax committee.

[2:11:01] I am the chair of the leadership

[2:11:03] program with the greater chamber

[2:11:06] to develop skills and educate

[2:11:08] participants on all the local

[2:11:10] dynamics in las cruces.

[2:11:14] With the support of sun capital

[2:11:16] hotels, there are numerous

[2:11:18] volunteer hours company-wide in

[2:11:22] our local community.

[2:11:25] At food banks and support local

[2:11:25] events.

[2:11:28] With every new hotel

[2:11:29] development, our company just

[2:11:34] doesn't grow, it impacts local

[2:11:34] economies.

[2:11:36] Thank you.

[2:11:47] >> johnny followed by steve.

[2:11:51] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilors,

[2:11:54] I'm an old town business owner

[2:11:57] and property owner.

[2:11:59] Of old town shopping plaza.

[2:12:00] Old town needs more visitors

[2:12:03] that are spending more money.

[2:12:05] We do not need an existing

[2:12:09] office space that MAY be vacant.

[2:12:10] Most of the time.

[2:12:14] I believe approving this irb is

[2:12:16] an investment in our community

[2:12:20] and the future that will pay

[2:12:21] dividends in the community and

[2:12:25] benefit old town businesses and

[2:12:27] residents for many years in the

[2:12:27] future.

[2:12:29] If you don't invest in old town

[2:12:33] and our community, we'll not

[2:12:33] grow.

[2:12:35] You talked earlier about

[2:12:37] increasing gross receipts to

[2:12:39] support our city budget,

[2:12:42] approving this irb generates

[2:12:45] more revenue for old town and

[2:12:47] more gross receipts.

[2:12:49] It generates more jobs for our

[2:12:49] city.

[2:12:54] I hope you'll vote yes on this

[2:12:54] irb.

[2:12:57] Thank you.

[2:12:59] >> steve chavez, followed by

[2:13:02] adam

[2:13:03] adam.

[2:13:04] >> good evening, MADAM

[2:13:07] PRESIDENT, members of the city

[2:13:08] council.

[2:13:10] I'm with s3 development.

[2:13:11] I apologize for thought being

[2:13:12] there in person this evening.

[2:13:14] I'm out traveling today.

[2:13:18] I am in support of the irb's for

[2:13:20] the hotel proposed in the

[2:13:21] sawmill district.

[2:13:23] I feel in today's world of

[2:13:26] trying to find an afford able

[2:13:28] able --

[2:13:29] it's important to work together

[2:13:32] to support this type of

[2:13:33] development.

[2:13:35] Depesh and his team do quality

[2:13:35] work.

[2:13:36] I'll vouch for his group as

[2:13:38] professional operators and

[2:13:39] developers.

[2:13:41] How can we give irb's to one

[2:13:42] large developer in the area and

[2:13:44] not to a developer who will

[2:13:46] provide the affordability we

[2:13:46] need?

[2:13:48] Sometimes competition is good.

[2:13:51] And I support him and what he's

[2:13:51] doing in that district.

[2:13:56] Thank you.

[2:14:03] >> adam.

[2:14:07] >> yes, hi.

[2:14:10] MADAM PRESIDENT, council

[2:14:11] members.

[2:14:14] I'm also a downtowner.

[2:14:16] Echoing a lot of comments we

[2:14:19] heard tonight, I'm sorry I had

[2:14:20] to leave tonight, I have

[2:14:22] something early in the morning.

[2:14:27] Diversity of lodging, increasing

[2:14:27] gross receipts tax.

[2:14:30] All those things happen when we

[2:14:31] have new development.

[2:14:33] Especially with lodging

[2:14:34] development because those are

[2:14:35] people from out of town that

[2:14:37] come and want to spend their

[2:14:39] money in our community.

[2:14:41] I think we all have a reason to

[2:14:44] vote for this financial

[2:14:46] instrument because of those

[2:14:46] things.

[2:14:47] I like to urge you that this is

[2:14:49] something that will be good for

[2:14:50] our community.

[2:14:51] This will be good for the rail

[2:14:53] trail that we allotted money

[2:14:53] for.

[2:14:58] I would really like to see some

[2:14:59] mountain finished this hotel and

[2:15:02] get rid of an office building

[2:15:03] that is out of date and

[2:15:05] shouldn't have place in the

[2:15:05] sawmill.

[2:15:06] Thank you and I appreciate all

[2:15:07] of your service to the

[2:15:09] community.

[2:15:10] >> thank you, MADAM Chair.

[2:15:16] That takes care of zoom.

[2:15:19] Pauline, would you like to

[2:15:19] speak?

[2:15:33] >>coun. Pe}a: pauline chavez.

[2:15:39] here she comes.

[2:15:40] >> good evening, MADAM

[2:15:43] PRESIDENT, councilors.

[2:15:46] I spoke at the last council

[2:15:46] meeting.

[2:15:49] I am a member of the community

[2:15:50] land trust.

[2:15:53] I was born and raised in the

[2:15:54] neighborhood.

[2:15:59] At the last meeting, after the

[2:16:00] hearing the testimony, you asked

[2:16:02] the developers to reach out to

[2:16:03] the community.

[2:16:05] I have not heard from the

[2:16:08] community, neekt

[2:16:09] ither have my

[2:16:10] neighbors.

[2:16:11] It's my understanding that they

[2:16:13] contacted our executive director

[2:16:16] orlando and that meeting was

[2:16:19] with him and one other person.

[2:16:22] I don't know who their

[2:16:24] communication person is, but

[2:16:26] they did not do an outreach to

[2:16:27] our neighborhood.

[2:16:30] It's my understanding that

[2:16:32] councilor baca had a couple

[2:16:34] amendments that require

[2:16:37] conditions for approval of the

[2:16:38] irb.

[2:16:41] They're very important concerns.

[2:16:43] They deal with traffic and

[2:16:44] height.

[2:16:46] While we still feel this project

[2:16:50] does not deserve taxpayer's

[2:16:52] subsidies, we know there are

[2:16:55] some councilors who believe it

[2:16:56] does.

[2:16:59] I hope that --

[2:17:02] >>coun. Pe}a: thank you.

[2:17:03] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, that

[2:17:05] concludes list of sign-ups for

[2:17:08] this matter.

[2:17:10] >>coun. Pe}a: councilor baca,

[2:17:10] o-38.

[2:17:12] >>coun. Baca: thank you, MADAM

[2:17:13] PRESIDENT.

[2:17:14] There's obviously clear support

[2:17:17] for this project within the

[2:17:19] community, simultaneously,

[2:17:23] there's not support for this

[2:17:23] project.

[2:17:26] I think if this the journal

[2:17:28] area, we did approval and didn't

[2:17:30] talk about that.

[2:17:32] Downtown and old town and

[2:17:32] sawmill are different.

[2:17:34] They do require a little bit

[2:17:36] more, a little bit more time for

[2:17:37] everybody to sit down and go

[2:17:39] through it.

[2:17:42] I think we heard that the design

[2:17:43] team met with the land trust but

[2:17:45] not the developer.

[2:17:47] I think the land trust really

[2:17:48] wanted to meet with the

[2:17:49] developer directly.

[2:17:50] I think that's important.

[2:17:51] Also, there was mention of a

[2:17:54] couple amendments I was going to

[2:17:54] introduce.

[2:17:58] I'm not going to introduce those

[2:17:59] because our counsel advised me

[2:18:00] against that.

[2:18:02] That changes things a little

[2:18:02] bit.

[2:18:03] I think that's important.

[2:18:06] I did meet with both groups to

[2:18:07] see where they where and what

[2:18:08] happened.

[2:18:11] There's still a lot of confusion

[2:18:11] there.

[2:18:14] With that, I would like to move

[2:18:18] deferral for times like the

[2:18:21] groups and developers to meet.

[2:18:23] I don't know if our counsel will

[2:18:26] allow me to do that?

[2:18:28] I'd like to move deferral to the

[2:18:29] 17th.

[2:18:33] Am I able to sit with them?

[2:18:36] >> counsel PRESIDENT, councilor

[2:18:37] baca, yes.

[2:18:38] >>coun. Baca: okay.

[2:18:40] I think we can hopefully hash

[2:18:40] out something there.

[2:18:43] At least there won't be any

[2:18:45] discussion of he said, she said,

[2:18:48] or we haven't heard.

[2:18:50] I know everybody does a good

[2:18:52] faith effort to try and reach

[2:18:52] out.

[2:18:54] That doesn't mean everybody

[2:18:54] hears.

[2:18:55] We can always do better with

[2:18:56] that.

[2:18:57] >>coun. Pe}a: there's a motion,

[2:19:00] and a second by vice PRESIDENT

[2:19:03] Champine for a deferral to

[2:19:04] AUGUST 17th.

[2:19:09] [Roll call].

[2:19:12] >>coun. Baca: yes.

[2:19:14] >>coun. Bassan: no.

[2:19:16] >>coun. Champine: yes.

[2:19:19] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: yes.

[2:19:22] >>coun. Grout: no.

[2:19:25] >>coun. Lewis: yes.

[2:19:27] >>coun. Rogers: yes.

[2:19:29] >>coun. Telles: yes.

[2:19:29] >>coun. Pe}a: yes.

[2:19:32] >> passes on a 7-2 vote.

[2:19:33] >>coun. Pe}a: thank you.

[2:19:35] We're now on to item 11, which

[2:19:35] is appeals.

[2:19:37] There are none.

[2:19:39] Item 12, general public comment.

[2:19:40] Members of the public can

[2:19:43] provide live public comment to

[2:19:44] the council in person or

[2:19:45] virtually if they signed up for

[2:19:46] public comment per the

[2:19:48] instructions published on the

[2:19:49] agenda and our website friday.

[2:19:51] Here are the public comment

[2:19:57] ground rules, if you can exit

[2:19:57] quietly.

[2:20:00] Thank you so much.

[2:20:03] Excuse me.

[2:20:05] Each participant has one minute

[2:20:06] to present.

[2:20:08] Comments are also to be

[2:20:09] addressed to the councilors only

[2:20:11] through the council PRESIDENT.

[2:20:13] Any disruptive conduct will

[2:20:14] result in removal from the

[2:20:14] meeting.

[2:20:17] There's a one-minute time limit

[2:20:18] and the bill will ring to

[2:20:19] indicate your time is up.

[2:20:21] MR. Cornelius, please call the

[2:20:22] name of the first speaker.

[2:20:24] >> thank you, MADAM PRESIDENT.

[2:20:26] Our first speaker is jackson

[2:20:33] followed by matthew.

[2:20:34] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, MR. Vice

[2:20:35] PRESIDENT Champine, members of

[2:20:39] the council, I am a senior at

[2:20:40] eldorado high school.

[2:20:47] I'm here to share how -- tobacco

[2:20:48] products are still used at

[2:20:49] school companies every day.

[2:20:51] Especially in restrooms.

[2:20:52] More specifically they're used

[2:20:54] in the handicap stalls.

[2:20:55] At times I had to leave my

[2:20:57] campus and push my wheelchair

[2:21:05] over a mile to use the restroom.

[2:21:06] If you wish

[2:21:09] one reason that many students

[2:21:11] are vaping is because of

[2:21:11] flavors.

[2:21:13] Accord to the 2025 national

[2:21:15] youth tobacco survey, 1 hoit 45

[2:21:17] mill wherein youth in the united

[2:21:19] states currently vape.

[2:21:21] And 91% use flavored product.

[2:21:24] We need to continue to prevent

[2:21:25] nicotine addiction.

[2:21:27] I hope you support efforts that

[2:21:28] keep youth safe and create

[2:21:29] healthier communities for

[2:21:30] everyone.

[2:21:32] I'm happy to talk to anyone

[2:21:34] about this at the end of the

[2:21:34] meeting.

[2:21:36] Thank you for your time and

[2:21:36] consideration.

[2:21:43] >> matthew followed by lex.

[2:21:46] >> good evening, MADAM

[2:21:47] PRESIDENT, MR. Vice PRESIDENT

[2:21:49] Champine, members of the

[2:21:50] council.

[2:21:53] I am a sophomore at eldorado.

[2:21:56] I've been with the involvement

[2:21:57] program.

[2:21:59] I have seen how vaping affects

[2:22:00] students and communities.

[2:22:03] One way we can help prevent

[2:22:08] youth nicotine addiction is

[2:22:09] restrictioning flavored vapes.

[2:22:12] While current laws mean the

[2:22:14] policies must be passed at the

[2:22:15] state or federal level, support

[2:22:17] from local leaders like you can

[2:22:19] build momentum for municipal

[2:22:19] change.

[2:22:21] We hope you will consider

[2:22:23] supporting everts to protect new

[2:22:24] mexico's youth from nicotine

[2:22:25] addiction.

[2:22:25] Thank you for your time and

[2:22:28] consideration.

[2:22:32] >> lex followed by brick.

[2:22:51] >> overhead, please.

[2:23:02] ?

[2:23:05] >> MR. Greigo contacted police

[2:23:07] and advised he was pepper

[2:23:10] sprayed by the female and had

[2:23:16] his phone stolen.

[2:23:19] >> I'm talking to them.

[2:23:20] Did I say anything to them?

[2:23:22] >> I'm not recording them.

[2:23:23] I was recording that kid.

[2:23:25] I am recording you by the say,

[2:23:36] sir.

[2:23:39] [Distorted audio].

[2:23:41] >> some guy hit his phone out of

[2:23:42] his hand.

[2:23:46] I went to pick it up and the --

[2:23:47] tackled me.

[2:23:57] He didn't do nothing.

[2:23:58] He's your favorite content

[2:24:03] creator or whatever.

[2:24:06] He said -- you ought to go see

[2:24:06] it.

[2:24:08] Also, we don't have his phone.

[2:24:10] And picked it up after they

[2:24:12] tackled me.

[2:24:17] Nobody has your fuckin phone,

[2:24:25] punk ass bitch.

[2:24:34] >> brick followed by francesco.

[2:24:36] >> just to be clear, I want to

[2:24:37] make sure the narrative is

[2:24:37] clear.

[2:24:39] Because the narrative that was

[2:24:41] attempted to be painted by the

[2:24:42] video the police released in my

[2:24:46] opinion is not the actual thing

[2:24:47] that happened.

[2:24:50] But when it comes to a person's

[2:24:51] life, I believe this young man

[2:24:53] personally was defending

[2:24:53] himself.

[2:24:55] He was attacked multiple times

[2:24:57] while he was downtown.

[2:25:03] He was a tiktoker.

[2:25:08] I want to make sure to include

[2:25:13] in this you can see his types of

[2:25:17] interactions after harris shot

[2:25:19] him.

[2:25:26] This is the real --

[2:25:39] [Inaudible].

[2:25:43] [Beeping and inaudible audio].

[2:25:44] >>coun. Pe}a: thank you.

[2:25:46] Your time is up.

[2:25:48] >> just to be clear, he defended

[2:25:50] himself.

[2:26:09] >> francesco followed by tad.

[2:26:11] >> I propose an additional

[2:26:13] options for some of our unhoused

[2:26:15] neighbors who have lost their

[2:26:16] way.

[2:26:17] Picture public laneeraries and

[2:26:19] transit system being used as

[2:26:21] homeless shelters but without

[2:26:25] all the bells and whys

[2:26:25] istles.

[2:26:31] Convert an empty storefront in

[2:26:33] each quadrant.

[2:26:35] And new public restroom for

[2:26:37] people that need them the most.

[2:26:39] Maybe if acs likes the idea,

[2:26:41] make each one into a substation.

[2:26:43] The city has arrested more

[2:26:44] homeless in the last year than

[2:26:47] the last eight years combined,

[2:26:50] which is the most inhumane and

[2:26:51] expensive option.

[2:26:53] Making unhoused approximately

[2:26:56] half of our current prison

[2:26:57] population.

[2:27:00] Compass is short of compassion.

[2:27:02] Thank you.

[2:27:07] >> tad followed by joseph.

[2:27:22] >> could you give me overhead?

[2:27:22] Thank you.

[2:27:30] Excuse me.

[2:27:32] I believe I won't have time to

[2:27:36] get through this issue tonight.

[2:27:53] So, anyway, apd cops isn't

[2:27:54] writing tickets.

[2:27:57] i'm speaking about public

[2:27:58] safety.

[2:28:00] Now, what they doing?

[2:28:08] They operating from the inside

[2:28:13] through the cameras.

[2:28:15] Private contractors and what

[2:28:21] kind of job they do?

[2:28:24] They finally went after me.

[2:28:26] And we will go through the

[2:28:27] court.

[2:28:31] I'll get these bastards because

[2:28:33] that's the way this was written,

[2:28:38] this citation to me, that also

[2:28:40] against constitutional and also

[2:28:43] against apd policy.

[2:28:46] Thank you.

[2:29:04] >> joseph followed by denise.

[2:29:12] Denise followed by justin.

[2:29:19] Justin followed by janet.

[2:29:21] >> I'll be using the overhead.

[2:29:23] Also, I have handouts for each

[2:29:27] councilor.

[2:29:30] Including one for councilor

[2:29:38] lewis.

[2:29:39] Good evening.

[2:29:40] Thank you, MADAM PRESIDENT,

[2:29:41] members of the council.

[2:29:43] I'm here with report cards.

[2:29:45] This a group project.

[2:29:48] We tracked over 150 votes from

[2:29:49] JANUARY through JUNE.

[2:29:53] And picked 32 key voting items.

[2:29:55] We asked people to read them and

[2:29:59] say which are the most

[2:29:59] important.

[2:30:01] Then weighing them by

[2:30:02] importance, we looked at all the

[2:30:04] council votes to give you a

[2:30:05] score.

[2:30:07] No ai was used in this process.

[2:30:08] This is just the voice of the

[2:30:10] people and what we want to see

[2:30:12] you all do.

[2:30:14] There's six main categories of

[2:30:17] priorities on the front side of

[2:30:17] this.

[2:30:19] From immigrant rights which is

[2:30:22] 8.2 down to taxes which is 2.2

[2:30:24] and if you're curious where

[2:30:25] these came from.

[2:30:26] these are some of the 32 votes

[2:30:27] we considered.

[2:30:28] Not all.

[2:30:34] The other side, flip the page,

[2:30:37] is other grades.

[2:30:37] This is for you to know that

[2:30:39] people are watching and I just

[2:30:42] want to say that, yeah, take

[2:30:44] this into consideration.

[2:30:45] And two councilors are getting

[2:30:49] extra credit for putting in the

[2:30:50] budgeting process.

[2:30:53] The rest of you can get credit

[2:30:59] for that.

[2:31:18] >> janet followed by lisa.

[2:31:24] Lisa followed by thomas.

[2:31:26] >> welcome back, city

[2:31:27] councilors.

[2:31:28] And to the public, I'm lisa.

[2:31:30] I live in albuquerque, district

[2:31:31] three.

[2:31:32] Founder of -- we've already been

[2:31:32] through that.

[2:31:35] We have a partnership with over

[2:31:36] 52 state groups and

[2:31:37] organizations.

[2:31:40] I'm here making public comment

[2:31:42] as an individual with the

[2:31:45] understanding I share similar

[2:31:48] concerns with many in the

[2:31:48] community.

[2:31:49] I love that some of you care

[2:31:51] about us, that doesn't mean we

[2:31:52] always have to agree.

[2:31:56] But I have to tell you I was so

[2:31:57] invigorated and excited that we

[2:31:59] have people advocating for us

[2:32:01] with passion because it really

[2:32:03] has felt like we have not had a

[2:32:04] voice.

[2:32:06] People who had money or

[2:32:07] positions -- I'm just being

[2:32:08] honest.

[2:32:09] It felt like you guys don't care

[2:32:11] and only a few of you care.

[2:32:13] For a month, we have gone back

[2:32:14] to community.

[2:32:16] That's why you're seeing, we're

[2:32:17] going to come to you all with

[2:32:19] what we would like albuquerque

[2:32:20] to look like.

[2:32:21] We're asking you all to please

[2:32:23] partner with us so we can have

[2:32:24] an albuquerque that all of us

[2:32:26] love and are proud of.

[2:32:27] Right now, we don't feel like

[2:32:33] you care.

[2:32:39] >> thomas followed by grace.

[2:32:42] >> so, last time I came and

[2:32:43] spoke at city council, police

[2:32:45] force was used to remove me from

[2:32:47] the podium because I broke a

[2:32:50] rule that I believe to be

[2:32:51] constitutionally wrong, which is

[2:32:54] that I cannot ask direct

[2:32:56] questions of city councilors.

[2:32:57] After police force was used

[2:33:00] against me, I went to my

[2:33:00] representative, councilor

[2:33:01] rogers, and I asked would you

[2:33:03] still be willing to hear

[2:33:04] questions from me as you have in

[2:33:06] the past here in city council.

[2:33:08] Rogers said yes.

[2:33:10] Here I am to do what I did last

[2:33:12] time, which got me forcibly

[2:33:13] removed.

[2:33:14] Can I ask you a question,

[2:33:19] councilor rogers?

[2:33:20] >>coun. Pe}a: pass your comments

[2:33:22] through the chair.

[2:33:23] If councilor rogers would like

[2:33:27] to have a direct question to

[2:33:28] her, she can make a motion to

[2:33:30] override the rules.

[2:33:31] >> I'd like to ask the question

[2:33:33] to councilor rogers who is here

[2:33:34] in the room with us.

[2:33:36] Yeah, I'd like to ask her

[2:33:36] directly.

[2:33:37] >>coun. Pe}a: you have to ask

[2:33:39] your questions through the

[2:33:39] chair.

[2:33:41] >> I would like to ask my

[2:33:42] question to my representative

[2:33:44] who is expressed -- are you

[2:33:45] willing to hear, councilor

[2:33:46] rogers?

[2:33:47] >>coun. Pe}a: thank you.

[2:33:48] Your time is up.

[2:33:50] >>coun. Rogers: MADAM PRESIDENT,

[2:33:52] as long as he follows the rule

[2:33:54] and asks the question of the

[2:33:56] chair, I am willing to hear it.

[2:33:59] We talked about that in our

[2:33:59] meeting.

[2:34:01] I still have to follow the rule

[2:34:02] of the council and ask the

[2:34:05] questions through the chair.

[2:34:06] >>coun. Pe}a: if you make a

[2:34:08] motion, procedurarily, that's

[2:34:09] correct.

[2:34:11] Is that correct?

[2:34:14] >> MADAM Chair, if he speaks

[2:34:15] through you and the councilor

[2:34:17] wishes to answer the question,

[2:34:17] that would be fine.

[2:34:19] People have done that in the

[2:34:20] past.

[2:34:21] But they have to speak through

[2:34:22] the chair.

[2:34:24] >> I think it should be clear my

[2:34:25] question is not for the chair.

[2:34:27] My question is for my

[2:34:30] representative whom I voted for.

[2:34:30] >>coun. Pe}a: we understand what

[2:34:31] you're trying to do.

[2:34:33] There are procedural things we

[2:34:34] have as a council.

[2:34:36] I'm telling you if she wishes to

[2:34:38] answer your question, she could.

[2:34:40] The rule is she would have to

[2:34:42] make a motion, but I guess we

[2:34:45] have set precedence we have not

[2:34:46] done that.

[2:34:49] If she says you can ask her

[2:34:51] direction questions and she

[2:34:54] indicated you can, you can.

[2:34:58] >> if I can ask a quick question

[2:35:01] to you, councilor rogers?

[2:35:02] >>coun. Bassan: MADAM PRESIDENT,

[2:35:03] I believe that the speaker's

[2:35:05] time is up.

[2:35:06] >> okay.

[2:35:08] Most of my time was spent

[2:35:10] listening to them debate.

[2:35:11] My comment was not her speaking

[2:35:12] to me.

[2:35:13] My comment is a question.

[2:35:15] MAY I ask you a question,

[2:35:15] rogers?

[2:35:17] >>coun. Pe}a: your time is up.

[2:35:18] I'm sorry.

[2:35:20] >> councilor rogers, would you

[2:35:22] mind making a motion to suspend

[2:35:24] the rules to make a motion.

[2:35:25] >>coun. Rogers: thank you, I'd

[2:35:26] like you to ask the question

[2:35:28] through the chair and I'm happy

[2:35:29] to answer it for the council

[2:35:30] rules.

[2:35:32] As a member of this body, I

[2:35:34] honor our rules which we talked

[2:35:35] about when we met.

[2:35:37] You can absolutely ask he any

[2:35:38] questions but it must be through

[2:35:40] the chair.

[2:35:42] And I ask to be recognized.

[2:35:42] That's the process.

[2:35:44] And the chair can choose to

[2:35:45] recognize me or not.

[2:35:48] If I wish to push the issue, I

[2:35:49] have to challenge the rule of

[2:35:50] the chair and we would have to

[2:35:51] take a vote.

[2:35:54] To avoid all of that, all you

[2:35:58] have to say is MADAM, chair ask

[2:35:58] the question.

[2:36:01] I ask her to answer, and I'm

[2:36:02] sure she'll oblige.

[2:36:05] And we'll move on.

[2:36:06] >>coun. Pe}a: it's not

[2:36:06] discussion.

[2:36:07] It's public comment.

[2:36:10] She does not have to answer your

[2:36:11] question.

[2:36:11] >> understood.

[2:36:14] >>coun. Pe}a: and your time is

[2:36:14] up.

[2:36:17] I don't know, councilor rogers,

[2:36:18] do you want to allow for more

[2:36:18] time?

[2:36:19] >>coun. Rogers: thank you, MADAM

[2:36:20] PRESIDENT.

[2:36:22] As long as we follow the rules

[2:36:22] through the chair.

[2:36:25] I'm happy to answer any

[2:36:28] questions

[2:36:29] questions directed.

[2:36:30] >> on that note, madam

[2:36:32] president, would you please ask

[2:36:33] my representative, councilor

[2:36:36] rogers, why it is that I have to

[2:36:38] avoid my constitutional right to

[2:36:40] ask questions of my

[2:36:40] representatives here in this

[2:36:42] city council chambers?

[2:36:44] And I have to direct my

[2:36:45] questions through you, why is it

[2:36:47] when I fail to do so police

[2:36:49] force is used to remove me from

[2:36:51] the building and it is

[2:36:53] dangerously used to prohibit my

[2:36:54] free speech and my ability as

[2:36:56] the journalist to ask questions

[2:36:57] when you might not be able to

[2:36:59] get away from them.

[2:37:00] I understand you don't have a

[2:37:02] blaikz to answer them, but it

[2:37:04] would be nice to know why I was

[2:37:06] removed forceally with police

[2:37:08] force last time I was here and

[2:37:10] why dan lewis is protected from

[2:37:13] questions he doesn't want to

[2:37:13] answer.

[2:37:18] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, I would

[2:37:19] advise he do not answer

[2:37:21] questions that could be a matter

[2:37:23] of litigation.

[2:37:24] >>coun. Pe}a: councilor rogers.

[2:37:25] >>coun. Rogers: thank you, MADAM

[2:37:26] Chair.

[2:37:32] Because this is wrapped up in

[2:37:34] active legal matters.

[2:37:36] I would have to defer to my

[2:37:39] legal counsel's advice.

[2:37:40] >> disappointing.

[2:37:41] Thank you.

[2:37:42] >>coun. Pe}a: thank you.

[2:37:45] >> grace, followed by jonah.

[2:37:47] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, welcome back

[2:37:50] from your taxpayer funded

[2:37:50] seven-week vacation.

[2:37:52] I hope you enjoy it because we

[2:37:53] did not.

[2:37:54] We suffered in the heat and

[2:37:55] suffered in the jail for the

[2:37:58] crime of sitting down on the

[2:37:58] sidewalk.

[2:38:01] Our every move was tracked by

[2:38:03] flock cameras that are being

[2:38:08] used by ice to snatch the

[2:38:10] constituents from the streets.

[2:38:12] Yet silence from this dais.

[2:38:14] You have an opportunity, MADAM

[2:38:15] PRESIDENT, now that we're back

[2:38:17] from your break, you can correct

[2:38:21] the course like you did earlier

[2:38:22] tonight.

[2:38:25] You can vote to stop the sweeps,

[2:38:26] take down flock cameras to give

[2:38:30] us a lifeline.

[2:38:33] To stop treating us at the

[2:38:35] working class people are second

[2:38:36] class citizens.

[2:38:39] We're tired of sitting down and

[2:38:41] being employed while you and the

[2:38:43] billionaires extract from us.

[2:38:46] You can make an easy buck off

[2:38:46] of.

[2:38:49] When we stand up you sick the

[2:38:52] police force on us.

[2:38:53] You have to vote like it if you

[2:38:55] want to help us.

[2:38:58] >>coun. Pe}a: thank you.

[2:39:08] >> jonah followed by erica.

[2:39:10] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, city

[2:39:12] councilors, I live in district

[2:39:14] seven and attend unm.

[2:39:15] My studies and conversations

[2:39:16] with my community have taught me

[2:39:18] about a couple concerning themes

[2:39:19] in today's agenda.

[2:39:22] O-38 is a potential tool for

[2:39:24] restitution and systemic reform

[2:39:28] over housing market to a large

[2:39:29] corporation

[2:39:30] corporation.

[2:39:32] Community land trust with proper

[2:39:34] developers are models for good.

[2:39:37] O-35, minimum wage increases is

[2:39:42] not matching up with inflation.

[2:39:44] Lack of creative problem

[2:39:44] solving.

[2:39:45] We're all scared about

[2:39:49] increasing rates, leze -- please

[2:39:55] don't make it worse.

[2:39:58] -- we know the historical

[2:40:00] implications that normally

[2:40:01] carries.

[2:40:03] prop two seem to me theatrics.

[2:40:05] I believe we are capable of more

[2:40:07] progressive policies to help us

[2:40:11] tackle this brutal affordability

[2:40:11] crisis.

[2:40:16] Stop the sweeps of the transient

[2:40:16] neighbors.

[2:40:17] Thanks to councilor fiebelkorn

[2:40:18] and councilor rogers.

[2:40:21] I see improvements every day.

[2:40:27] >> erica followed by mervin.

[2:40:29] >> good evening, MADAM

[2:40:32] PRESIDENT, councilors.

[2:40:34] I am owner operator of carver

[2:40:38] family farm, new mexico's first

[2:40:40] licensed vertically integrated

[2:40:40] cannabis business.

[2:40:42] It's located in district four

[2:40:44] and I live in district seven.

[2:40:45] I'm speaking to please ask you

[2:40:51] to vote no on o-26-39.

[2:40:52] It works against small

[2:40:54] businesses and accessibility to

[2:40:56] real estate options and against

[2:40:58] medical patience having access

[2:40:59] to cannabis medicines.

[2:41:01] I understand we have many

[2:41:03] dispensaries in albuquerque but

[2:41:05] I don't see how disallowing new

[2:41:07] cannabis businesses to open in

[2:41:08] previously allowed areas is fair

[2:41:10] when there are no other

[2:41:12] businesses singled out in this

[2:41:12] manner.

[2:41:15] Without actually data to the

[2:41:17] contrary, this is based on moral

[2:41:18] prejudice.

[2:41:20] There's no data that indicates

[2:41:25] having a cannabis retail and

[2:41:28] nicotine retail has a negative

[2:41:29] outcome to the fostering

[2:41:31] community to live, work, learn,

[2:41:32] shop and play together.

[2:41:33] Thank you.

[2:41:43] >> mervin followed by antoina.

[2:41:44] >> good evening, MADAM

[2:41:49] PRESIDENT, councilors.

[2:41:50] I want to talk about something

[2:41:54] that I really feel is missing

[2:41:57] from the course of any

[2:41:57] discussions that I've ever heard

[2:41:59] since I've been here in

[2:42:02] albuquerque for the past six

[2:42:03] years.

[2:42:06] That is, the creation of the

[2:42:08] memorandum of understanding with

[2:42:13] the navajo nation regarding the

[2:42:17] injuries, deaths, and the

[2:42:20] killings of native americans,

[2:42:21] particularly with my tribe the

[2:42:22] navajo nation.

[2:42:24] I would encourage this council

[2:42:26] and even the mayor to begin to

[2:42:30] look into dialogue with the

[2:42:31] navajo nation.

[2:42:35] There are concerns that I have.

[2:42:39] 12 years ago, two navajos were

[2:42:39] killed here.

[2:42:42] There was an mou established

[2:42:45] with the navajo nation.

[2:42:47] On MAY 30th of last year, 2025,

[2:42:51] I was ran down and pinned under

[2:42:54] and injured quite severely.

[2:42:56] Requiring surgery on my knee and

[2:42:59] on my meta tarsal.

[2:43:01] The employee with the solid

[2:43:03] waste management was using a

[2:43:04] city of albuquerque vehicle.

[2:43:07] This has to end.

[2:43:10] Mou with the navajo nation would

[2:43:12] spell this out in detail.

[2:43:14] I urge you to reach out to the

[2:43:16] navajo nation.

[2:43:33] >> antonia followed by marslen.

[2:43:46] Marslen followed by bryant.

[2:43:52] >> 98, 98, 97, that is the

[2:43:53] predicted high temp for the next

[2:43:56] week here in albuquerque.

[2:43:58] A drastic increase in hate

[2:44:00] advisory warnings, yet does the

[2:44:03] city have designated cooling

[2:44:03] stations?

[2:44:03] No.

[2:44:05] Do we have shade at every one of

[2:44:07] the bus stops that many have to

[2:44:09] endure waiting for a long time

[2:44:11] for their bus?

[2:44:12] No.

[2:44:14] Where are people to go?

[2:44:16] Where are people to go?

[2:44:18] prison?

[2:44:20] To the prison shelter in the

[2:44:21] desert?

[2:44:22] The shelter with single digit

[2:44:27] case workers the shelter where

[2:44:29] being difficult can land you a

[2:44:29] permanent ban.

[2:44:32] It seems as though the city is

[2:44:34] giving folks three options.

[2:44:36] Jail, jail wearing the mask of a

[2:44:38] shelter, or death.

[2:44:40] The temperature will continue to

[2:44:41] rise and we'll continue to harm

[2:44:43] and kill people in our city.

[2:44:44] I suggest councilors and the

[2:44:46] public alike get familiar with

[2:44:49] the urban heat island effect.

[2:44:51] And we do something about this.

[2:44:53] We can do hard things.

[2:44:55] We can take care of each other.

[2:45:03] We can do these thicks

[2:45:03] ngs.

[2:45:04] It's something that's really

[2:45:04] important.

[2:45:05] We can't just put it to the

[2:45:10] side.

[2:45:12] >> bryant followed by mark on

[2:45:13] zoom.

[2:45:14] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, I was here a

[2:45:17] year ago to the month last year.

[2:45:21] You guys gave me a proclamation

[2:45:24] making human kind day.

[2:45:25] I'm here a year later.

[2:45:27] I did my part.

[2:45:30] I have a cultural celebration

[2:45:32] weekend coming up AUGUST 14th.

[2:45:34] I invited all of you guys and

[2:45:36] some of the community to a black

[2:45:37] tie gala.

[2:45:38] We'll break bread.

[2:45:40] You have the opportunity to see

[2:45:42] what your constituents -- not as

[2:45:44] politicians but as people so

[2:45:45] they can get to know you.

[2:45:46] Where they actually know you as

[2:45:48] people with families.

[2:45:51] Ia -- you can break bread

[2:45:53] without there being reelection

[2:45:54] cycle or anything like that.

[2:45:56] You show up because you want to.

[2:45:58] i emailed you guys.

[2:46:00] I gave you guys also an

[2:46:00] invitation.

[2:46:02] If you need them.

[2:46:04] Again, I'll send them to you.

[2:46:06] One of the events is AUGUST 14th

[2:46:08] is the human kind gala.

[2:46:11] AUGUST 15th winrock park from

[2:46:14] 1:00 P.M. To 6:00 P.M. We have

[2:46:16] a cultural celebration.

[2:46:19] AUGUST 16th I've got an art

[2:46:20] battle.

[2:46:21] We're doing the art battle.

[2:46:23] 12 artists.

[2:46:27] Three 20-minute rounds.

[2:46:30] We auctioned off all the art.

[2:46:32] One of the events is councilor

[2:46:33] baca's area.

[2:46:35] I'm going to have security

[2:46:36] coming through the area.

[2:46:40] >>coun. Pe}a: your time is up.

[2:46:41] Sir, your time is up.

[2:46:54] >> I hope to see you guys there.

[2:46:56] >> mark followed by benjamin.

[2:46:57] >> good evening, MADAM

[2:47:00] PRESIDENT, members of the

[2:47:02] council.

[2:47:05] 71 years ago I became a resident

[2:47:07] of albuquerque.

[2:47:10] I've been with the senior

[2:47:11] affairs advisory council.

[2:47:12] I've learned about the work of

[2:47:14] the department and dedicated

[2:47:16] staff that care for our growing

[2:47:17] senior population.

[2:47:19] I'm also an active voice for the

[2:47:20] council and department works

[2:47:22] that demand programs and

[2:47:24] services that keep our adults

[2:47:26] healthy and independent and

[2:47:26] connected.

[2:47:29] This includes providing feedback

[2:47:30] during the evaluation.

[2:47:32] Including the recent breakfast

[2:47:34] alignment at the senior and

[2:47:34] multigeneration centers.

[2:47:36] I can tell you the department is

[2:47:39] very transparent and the

[2:47:40] evaluation included public

[2:47:41] meetings.

[2:47:43] based on the feedback from

[2:47:45] public and council member I

[2:47:47] provided direct input to the

[2:47:49] support and alignment program

[2:47:50] sustainable.

[2:47:52] Which included the recently

[2:47:54] revised menu that was posted on

[2:47:55] friday.

[2:47:57] Further, I want to make sure the

[2:47:59] department does an incredible

[2:48:03] amount of work as lifeline for

[2:48:05] seniors and those who need

[2:48:07] access to family support and

[2:48:08] transportation and other

[2:48:08] services.

[2:48:09] I'll skip to the bottom.

[2:48:14] The department realignment that

[2:48:16] optional for 20 years and done

[2:48:17] for the betterment of resources

[2:48:21] and keeps the program going.

[2:48:23] A real need of growth should be

[2:48:24] focused on other services many

[2:48:25] do not see.

[2:48:27] Thank you for your time and

[2:48:29] hearing my perspective on the

[2:48:32] support of the senior advisory

[2:48:33] committee.

[2:48:35] >> benjamin followed by joe.

[2:48:37] >> good evening, MADAM

[2:48:38] PRESIDENT, councilors.

[2:48:40] Tonight I'd like to ask you to

[2:48:42] please stop the mass

[2:48:45] surveillance in our city through

[2:48:47] drones and flock cameras.

[2:48:49] It is my belief that this is

[2:48:51] unwarranted surveillance.

[2:48:53] Normally, police require a

[2:48:55] warrant to spy on you, but not

[2:48:56] with flock cameras.

[2:48:57] Information is shared without

[2:49:00] any such warrant.

[2:49:01] Some of the reasons you should

[2:49:04] not use flock, they have poor

[2:49:08] security.

[2:49:11] They share video with any law

[2:49:11] enforcement organization

[2:49:12] throughout the country

[2:49:15] regardless of your privacy

[2:49:15] settings.

[2:49:18] They have over-confident ai that

[2:49:19] flags incident people as

[2:49:22] dangerous persons of interest.

[2:49:23] They're extremely expensive.

[2:49:24] It's another company that likes

[2:49:27] to move fast and break things.

[2:49:28] I don't know if we want to trust

[2:49:31] that with our data.

[2:49:33] They say they're all about

[2:49:35] safety, but who are they keeping

[2:49:36] us safe from?

[2:49:39] It's a question about a tradeoff

[2:49:40] between safety and freedom.

[2:49:43] Please take down the flock

[2:49:43] cameras.

[2:49:48] >> joe.

[2:49:50] >> good evening, MADAM

[2:49:51] PRESIDENT, good evening,

[2:49:51] councilors.

[2:49:52] I had a chance over the summer

[2:49:54] break to rewatch all of the

[2:49:56] council meetings from this year.

[2:49:58] Which admittedly at moments had

[2:50:00] me questioning my life choices.

[2:50:03] I wanted to offer a quick

[2:50:04] observation and recommendation

[2:50:05] on a few things.

[2:50:09] The first item is in regards to

[2:50:09] agendas.

[2:50:11] Specifically just not packing

[2:50:12] them.

[2:50:14] That's something I think this

[2:50:15] council leadership should

[2:50:16] consider.

[2:50:17] We have 1:00 A.M. Meetings.

[2:50:20] I noticed a few people nodding

[2:50:21] off.

[2:50:22] It does make hard to do the

[2:50:23] people's business.

[2:50:28] And it gets a bit confusing at

[2:50:29] 12 in the morning.

[2:50:31] Keeping the agenda is lighter is

[2:50:31] a good idea.

[2:50:34] I moats

[2:50:36] noticed unequal public

[2:50:37] comment.

[2:50:40] Some folks goover by 15 seconds

[2:50:42] and some by a minute or two

[2:50:42] minutes.

[2:50:44] I think it can be solvable.

[2:50:47] In terms of access, althea

[2:50:49] mentioned it at the last

[2:50:50] meeting, but things like food

[2:50:52] and childcare access and not

[2:50:54] going overtime is a good

[2:50:55] practice to make the council

[2:50:58] more accessible to regular

[2:50:58] folks.

[2:50:59] That's something this council

[2:51:03] could easily do and make some

[2:51:05] steps towards.

[2:51:06] Thank you for your time.

[2:51:07] >> thank you, MADAM PRESIDENT,

[2:51:11] that concludes general public

[2:51:13] comment.

[2:51:16] >>coun. Pe}a: thank you, MR.

[2:51:16] Cornelius.

[2:51:20] Councilor telles is having point

[2:51:21] of personal privilege.

[2:51:22] >>coun. Telles: I just wanted to

[2:51:24] make a quick clarification to

[2:51:27] some folks regarding the flock

[2:51:27] safety.

[2:51:30] I have been looking into this

[2:51:30] issue.

[2:51:34] I want to let you all know that

[2:51:40] we have not, at this point,

[2:51:42] found any direct contact or

[2:51:44] purchase orders with flock

[2:51:44] safety.

[2:51:46] My understanding that apd

[2:51:51] currently utilizes vigilant

[2:51:52] solutions for the automatic

[2:51:55] license plate readers.

[2:52:00] And we are definitely doing our

[2:52:03] vigilance and due diligence to

[2:52:06] understand how data is stored --

[2:52:09] what data restrictions are in

[2:52:11] place and what that sort of

[2:52:13] looks like.

[2:52:16] Just so the public is aware of

[2:52:18] what that kind of looks like, we

[2:52:21] don't at this point that I know

[2:52:25] of have any contracts with flock

[2:52:25] safety.

[2:52:30] Thank you, MADAM PRESIDENT.

[2:52:31] >>coun. Pe}a: vice PRESIDENT

[2:52:31] Champine.

[2:52:33] >>coun. Champine: I believe cao

[2:52:35] sengel would like to speak on

[2:52:35] that.

[2:52:37] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor

[2:52:39] champine, councilor telles, city

[2:52:40] of albuquerque does not have any

[2:52:43] flock cameras or flock

[2:52:47] contracts.

[2:52:49] >>coun. Pe}a: thank you, MADAM

[2:52:49] Cao.

[2:52:52] We're now on approvals.

[2:52:54] Ec-195 authorization for social

[2:52:55] service agreement with new

[2:52:57] mexico veterans integration

[2:53:03] centers utilizing opioid

[2:53:04] settlement fund appropriations

[2:53:07] as outlined in city council

[2:53:09] resolution 125-28.

[2:53:12] We have a few of those contracts

[2:53:13] coming up.

[2:53:17] I move approval.

[2:53:20] There's a second by committee of

[2:53:21] the whole chair grout.

[2:53:22] She has a couple questions.

[2:53:26] If we can have the staff come

[2:53:35] up.

[2:53:36] >>coun. Grout: thank you, MADAM

[2:53:36] PRESIDENT.

[2:53:40] Thank you for being here,

[2:53:40] director.

[2:53:42] I am pleased to see this

[2:53:45] contract, but my question is,

[2:53:47] can you tell us what the

[2:53:48] veterans integration center -- I

[2:53:54] know it's for services for $1.5

[2:53:56] million.

[2:53:57] Endorphin power company is

[2:54:01] getting 6.9-plus million.

[2:54:02] What are we getting for that?

[2:54:05] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor

[2:54:08] grout, for endorphin power

[2:54:10] company -- it's construction.

[2:54:11] They're going to be doing work

[2:54:12] on their campus.

[2:54:14] We'll be able to expand their

[2:54:15] capacity to provide services on

[2:54:19] their campus.

[2:54:20] >>coun. Grout: okay.

[2:54:22] Expand their campus.

[2:54:24] Would you tell me where the

[2:54:26] campus is?

[2:54:30] >> it's on zuni near the cares

[2:54:30] campus.

[2:54:32] >>coun. Grout: that's what I

[2:54:32] thought.

[2:54:36] MADAM PRESIDENT, is it housing

[2:54:38] or is it workshop?

[2:54:39] What is it?

[2:54:41] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor

[2:54:42] grout, endorphin power company

[2:54:44] are renovating one of the

[2:54:46] existing -- the original

[2:54:47] buildings.

[2:54:48] They're going to build

[2:54:49] additional case management

[2:54:50] spaces and provide additional

[2:54:55] education and group spaces.

[2:54:56] That's in a nutshell.

[2:54:59] That seems like not much for $7

[2:55:00] million.

[2:55:00] >>coun. Grout: when are they

[2:55:01] going to start this?

[2:55:03] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor

[2:55:05] grout, the contract negotiations

[2:55:07] with endorphin power company and

[2:55:10] serenity mesa are still ongoing.

[2:55:12] These are more complicated

[2:55:14] contracts due to intricacies

[2:55:17] with the anti-donation.

[2:55:19] But they both are ready to start

[2:55:24] within the time frames laid out

[2:55:25] in the strategic plan.

[2:55:26] >>coun. Grout: thank you.

[2:55:28] MADAM PRESIDENT, question for

[2:55:31] serenity mesa, I love this

[2:55:32] program.

[2:55:33] So much.

[2:55:34] I love everything that they do

[2:55:35] there.

[2:55:37] I support them 100%.

[2:55:39] What are we getting for $1.5

[2:55:40] million?

[2:55:41] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor

[2:55:44] grout, they're expanding

[2:55:47] their -- not their actual site,

[2:55:50] but they're renovating and up

[2:55:55] grading the housing piece that's

[2:55:56] off

[2:55:57] offsite.

[2:55:57] >>coun. Grout: it's like

[2:55:59] transitional housing?

[2:55:59] >> yes.

[2:56:01] >>coun. Grout: very good.

[2:56:03] and are they ready to go?

[2:56:04] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor

[2:56:07] grout, the same answer as the

[2:56:09] power company.

[2:56:10] Yes, they're be ready.

[2:56:11] >>coun. Grout: thank you.

[2:56:12] >>coun. Pe}a: thank you.

[2:56:15] Any additional questions?

[2:56:15] Councilor rogers.

[2:56:18] And we have one person signed up

[2:56:20] to speak.

[2:56:21] >>coun. Rogers: thank you.

[2:56:23] This is part of the rfp for the

[2:56:26] opioid settlement dollars,

[2:56:26] correct?

[2:56:27] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor

[2:56:29] grout, this is part of the grant

[2:56:31] process as part of the opioid

[2:56:31] dollars.

[2:56:32] >>coun. Rogers: thank you so

[2:56:33] much.

[2:56:34] MADAM PRESIDENT, one of the

[2:56:37] things is the chair of the lgcc

[2:56:38] hadn't help

[2:56:41] that helped put this together is

[2:56:43] we wanted to prioritize those

[2:56:44] who weren't already getting

[2:56:45] funding.

[2:56:48] I saw from the rfp we gave extra

[2:56:50] points to folks who already had

[2:56:51] city contracts.

[2:56:53] Can you tell me why we went

[2:56:56] against what we were intending?

[2:56:59] Not that these programs aren't

[2:56:59] worthy.

[2:57:01] We really talk about the same

[2:57:02] old people getting the funding

[2:57:06] over and over and over and over

[2:57:06] again.

[2:57:10] And not opening it up to new

[2:57:10] providers.

[2:57:11] We talked about that a lot.

[2:57:14] When I read that in the rfp, I

[2:57:16] was a little taken aback.

[2:57:18] Can you tell me about why we did

[2:57:20] that?

[2:57:20] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor

[2:57:22] rogers, that is a really good

[2:57:23] question.

[2:57:25] I'd like to do research and have

[2:57:27] an answer question and give that

[2:57:28] to you tomorrow.

[2:57:30] I know our capacity building we

[2:57:32] did prioritize agencies who have

[2:57:34] had not historically had

[2:57:35] contracts.

[2:57:37] I need -- I want to make sure I

[2:57:38] answer your question correctly.

[2:57:39] >>coun. Rogers: thank you, MADAM

[2:57:40] PRESIDENT.

[2:57:41] I would appreciate that.

[2:57:42] I think endorphin power company

[2:57:45] is a newer provider with the

[2:57:46] city.

[2:57:48] They've been doing work with the

[2:57:49] county.

[2:57:52] I see that with endorphin power

[2:57:52] companies.

[2:57:53] I'm disappointed to see they're

[2:57:55] not going to expand housing.

[2:57:57] They do a really great job about

[2:58:00] housing with substance abuse not

[2:58:03] just building rooms.

[2:58:07] I would hope they would be

[2:58:10] expanding that.

[2:58:12] I would love -- I read through

[2:58:13] the contract and everything, but

[2:58:15] I think that was my biggest

[2:58:17] question is not expanding

[2:58:20] housing to that big amount of

[2:58:20] dollars.

[2:58:22] Just would love some more

[2:58:23] information about that for this

[2:58:25] amount of funding.

[2:58:27] That we're not expanding

[2:58:28] housing.

[2:58:29] Transitional housing with

[2:58:31] substance abuse care.

[2:58:32] Which they're great at.

[2:58:35] I would like to see them do

[2:58:36] more.

[2:58:37] >>coun. Pe}a: vice PRESIDENT

[2:58:37] Champine.

[2:58:38] >>coun. Champine: a good segue

[2:58:41] from that into my only really

[2:58:41] question.

[2:58:42] I just wanted to understand a

[2:58:44] little better, how is the amount

[2:58:45] awarded determined?

[2:58:48] I say this because each one seem

[2:58:51] to be -- the two seem to be low,

[2:58:53] but there's lot -- yeah.

[2:58:57] Double than what the other two

[2:58:58] are, combined.

[2:58:59] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor

[2:59:01] champine, they were awarded

[2:59:02] based on some of the parameters

[2:59:04] that we put in rfp.

[2:59:06] One of the parameters we placed

[2:59:09] in the rfp was project could not

[2:59:12] exceed $7.5 million, which was

[2:59:14] part of the lgc and city council

[2:59:15] approved strategic plan.

[2:59:17] Also we capped the services at

[2:59:18] 15%.

[2:59:22] We interrupted the 15% of the

[2:59:24] operating to also improve

[2:59:24] services.

[2:59:27] That's why you see new mexico

[2:59:30] vic at $1.5 million.

[2:59:31] That's 15%.

[2:59:33] And also based on what they

[2:59:36] actually ask for.

[2:59:39] We prioritize in accordance to

[2:59:42] the score and based on what the

[2:59:46] agencies asked for in the

[2:59:47] proposals.

[2:59:48] >>coun. Champine: thank you,

[2:59:48] MADAM PRESIDENT.

[2:59:49] >>coun. Pe}a: thank you.

[2:59:51] Any other questions?

[2:59:52] We'll go to our public

[2:59:55] commenter.

[2:59:56] >> thank you, MADAM PRESIDENT.

[3:00:15] Lisa to speak.

[3:00:16] >> hello.

[3:00:22] I was unpapered because I was

[3:00:23] distracted.

[3:00:23] I'm sorry.

[3:00:27] Thank you to everyone who has

[3:00:32] been working on our very nuanced

[3:00:33] layered onion project.

[3:00:37] We have a proposal, if you're

[3:00:38] interested in the next remainder

[3:00:41] of the year, some of the very

[3:00:43] difficult ideas.

[3:00:44] Sidewalk ordinance and

[3:00:47] moratorium on sweeps, the need

[3:00:49] for tents.

[3:00:51] We in our group have started

[3:00:54] talking about the pros and cons.

[3:00:57] It's not always clear-cut and

[3:00:57] dry.

[3:00:59] Because there's always good and

[3:00:59] bad.

[3:01:02] We seem to be getting into

[3:01:03] division and these conflicts and

[3:01:05] arguing and fighting as

[3:01:07] community and friends and

[3:01:07] families.

[3:01:09] Maybe what if we -- I really

[3:01:10] appreciate the deferment.

[3:01:14] What if we had more time?

[3:01:15] Because from the time it's on

[3:01:17] the committee stuff and by the

[3:01:19] time it gets on the agenda, how

[3:01:21] have we as the community had

[3:01:22] opportunity to talk about some

[3:01:24] of these things so we're here

[3:01:26] fighting over it or sitting next

[3:01:28] to people we really might be in

[3:01:29] agreement if we had more

[3:01:30] information.

[3:01:32] How could we develop something

[3:01:34] in between before it gets to

[3:01:37] here and let some of us help

[3:01:39] communicate?

[3:01:42] >>coun. Pe}a: thank you.

[3:01:43] Final speaker?

[3:01:46] >> yes, MADAM PRESIDENT.

[3:01:47] >>coun. Pe}a: seeing no other

[3:01:48] discussion.

[3:01:51] I would urge your support for

[3:01:52] r-25-128.

[3:01:58] [Roll call].

[3:02:01] -- I believe we were on ec-195.

[3:02:02] Prac roll call].

[3:02:04] [Roll call].

[3:02:05] >>coun. Baca: yes.

[3:02:07] >>coun. Bassan: yes.

[3:02:09] >>coun. Champine: yes.

[3:02:11] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: yes.

[3:02:13] >>coun. Grout: yes.

[3:02:15] >>coun. Lewis: yes.

[3:02:17] >>coun. Rogers: yes.

[3:02:18] >>coun. Telles: yes.

[3:02:19] >>coun. Pe}a: yes.

[3:02:22] >> passes unanimously.

[3:02:23] >>coun. Pe}a: thank you.

[3:02:31] Just so the public knows,

[3:02:33] --

[3:02:34] ec-196 approval requested to

[3:02:38] increase funding for fy27

[3:02:39] substance abuse treatment

[3:02:40] voucher contract with

[3:02:41] albuquerque behavioral health.

[3:02:43] I move approval.

[3:02:44] There's a motion and a second by

[3:02:47] committee of the whole chair

[3:02:47] grout.

[3:02:50] We started with comments first.

[3:02:53] We can start there again.

[3:02:54] Vice PRESIDENT Champine.

[3:02:55] >>coun. Champine: thank you,

[3:02:56] MADAM PRESIDENT.

[3:02:57] I don't know who to direct this

[3:02:58] to.

[3:03:02] It has to do with 96-97.

[3:03:05] It will be the same question.

[3:03:07] Reading through this, I just

[3:03:08] jotted down a few things.

[3:03:09] My first question is the

[3:03:11] contract date.

[3:03:15] It seems to start JULY 1st at

[3:03:18] 100,000 and why now are we

[3:03:20] asking for triple the amount?

[3:03:23] >> we go based on historical

[3:03:26] contracts with engendered and

[3:03:27] albuquerque behavioral health.

[3:03:30] They will exceed $100,000 before

[3:03:30] mid-year.

[3:03:35] We are based on clients we see,

[3:03:37] we know this is how much they'll

[3:03:39] need for the whole year.

[3:03:40] >>coun. Champine: MADAM

[3:03:41] PRESIDENT, if we knew that going

[3:03:44] in, why not ask for the $300,000

[3:03:46] before JULY 1st when the

[3:03:48] contract started?

[3:03:49] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor

[3:03:50] champine, that's to ensure

[3:03:52] continuity of care.

[3:03:54] Whenever we're executing

[3:03:56] contracts, it was to give them

[3:03:58] $100,000 to start and have

[3:04:00] enough time for them to continue

[3:04:03] operating or providing services

[3:04:05] from JUNE 30th.

[3:04:07] They have existing clients.

[3:04:10] After the budget is approved for

[3:04:10] fy27.

[3:04:14] We're in a bit of a tight

[3:04:17] window.

[3:04:21] >>coun. Champine: okay.

[3:04:24] Seeing there's these three, how

[3:04:26] many substance abuse treatment

[3:04:27] contracts are out there right

[3:04:27] now.

[3:04:29] These are three we're talking

[3:04:30] about.

[3:04:31] How many more are there?

[3:04:32] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor

[3:04:35] champine, specific to providing

[3:04:37] addiction treatment and healing,

[3:04:39] which is engenered and

[3:04:40] albuquerque behavioral health,

[3:04:41] we have five contractors this

[3:04:41] year.

[3:04:45] Several of them are smaller

[3:04:46] providers.

[3:04:48] And provide less than $100,000

[3:04:50] worth of services.

[3:04:52] We're monitoring that closely.

[3:04:54] If we see one needs additional

[3:04:55] dollars, we'll bring that

[3:04:59] contract forward as well.

[3:05:02] We have other substance

[3:05:04] addiction providers but in this

[3:05:06] program there's five.

[3:05:07] >>coun. Champine: MADAM

[3:05:09] PRESIDENT, again, I get what

[3:05:10] you're saying.

[3:05:11] I'm having a hard time

[3:05:12] swallowing the fact that we know

[3:05:15] what they usually spend and we

[3:05:19] know they go over $100,000 but

[3:05:21] we're going to ask and come back

[3:05:22] for more.

[3:05:23] Do you understand my point?

[3:05:25] If we know they're going to go

[3:05:27] over, then give us a good

[3:05:28] picture going forward with it.

[3:05:30] Maybe that's just me not

[3:05:33] understanding it properly.

[3:05:34] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor

[3:05:38] champine, I understand what

[3:05:39] you're saying.

[3:05:40] We'll see if next year we're

[3:05:43] able to put forward a contract

[3:05:48] after the budget's approved.

[3:05:51] because it meets a certain

[3:05:52] threshold and have it in place

[3:05:54] prior to JULY 1.

[3:05:55] >>coun. Champine: thank you.

[3:05:57] >> it's a bit of a timing issue.

[3:05:58] >>coun. Champine: thank you.

[3:05:59] >>coun. Pe}a: thank you.

[3:05:59] Councilor grout.

[3:06:01] >>coun. Grout: thank you, MADAM

[3:06:02] PRESIDENT.

[3:06:05] I have a question about -- this

[3:06:06] contract requires the provider

[3:06:08] to participate in the

[3:06:09] implementation of the cap

[3:06:11] voucher database.

[3:06:12] And it's our understanding that

[3:06:15] it's not ready yet.

[3:06:17] It's going to take longer for

[3:06:21] you guys to get that negotiated.

[3:06:30] Can you tell us --

[3:06:33] >> we had to go back and forth

[3:06:33] with that contract.

[3:06:36] I talked to our division manager

[3:06:36] today.

[3:06:39] I think it needs one final

[3:06:40] review and it will move to

[3:06:41] execution.

[3:06:42] We expect the contract will move

[3:06:44] to execution with the database

[3:06:45] provider.

[3:06:46] We expect they're going to take

[3:06:48] this first part of this fiscal

[3:06:51] year to build it out and by

[3:06:54] JANUARY we should have it

[3:06:55] operational.

[3:06:57] >>coun. Grout: very good.

[3:06:57] Thank you.

[3:06:58] >>coun. Pe}a: councilor rogers.

[3:07:01] >>coun. Rogers: thank you, MADAM

[3:07:02] PRESIDENT.

[3:07:03] I appreciate this contract has

[3:07:06] some very specific things for

[3:07:10] process descriptions and data

[3:07:12] that we're getting from the

[3:07:12] providers.

[3:07:14] I thank you, councilor grout,

[3:07:16] for bringing up the database.

[3:07:17] We're waiting for outcomes on

[3:07:18] there.

[3:07:20] I want to make sure these

[3:07:22] contracts -- also with the

[3:07:26] opioid settlement dashboard.

[3:07:28] One thing I found interesting

[3:07:30] was the qualification.

[3:07:33] This is for the past substance

[3:07:34] abuse treatment provider

[3:07:35] network.

[3:07:36] For exhibit a, it says

[3:07:38] identification of clients who

[3:07:40] are eligible for treatment

[3:07:43] subsidies is part of the

[3:07:45] standard process of agencies.

[3:07:48] Eligibility is defined as

[3:07:50] clients who meet all established

[3:07:50] criteria.

[3:07:52] And there's six of them.

[3:07:54] One, they need substance use

[3:07:57] treatment defined as having a

[3:07:59] substance within the last two

[3:08:00] year, which I'm grateful for.

[3:08:02] We have some folks who I was

[3:08:03] trying to get help this weekend

[3:08:07] through acs but wanted to go to

[3:08:10] mac but haven't used in two

[3:08:10] weeks.

[3:08:11] The gentleman said I'm going to

[3:08:12] go use.

[3:08:14] I'm going to go real quick to

[3:08:16] central and use real quick so

[3:08:18] they'll take me.

[3:08:21] Which is a disastrous outcome.

[3:08:24] We need to work on that.

[3:08:26] We tried to get them on that and

[3:08:27] they were turned away because

[3:08:29] they haven't used within the

[3:08:30] last two weeks.

[3:08:32] I appreciate the city saying two

[3:08:35] years because we know this is

[3:08:37] getting someone out of substance

[3:08:38] abuse is lot.

[3:08:42] These are the ones I'm concerned

[3:08:44] about.

[3:08:46] Do not receive full medicaid

[3:08:47] benefits.

[3:08:49] So, is this provider able to

[3:08:53] bill for medicaid?

[3:08:56] So they will be -- if you have

[3:08:57] medicaid we'll bill under this

[3:08:59] and if they don't their only

[3:09:01] billing the city of albuquerque

[3:09:01] for those?

[3:09:03] Because that was interesting to

[3:09:03] read that.

[3:09:05] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor

[3:09:06] rogers, yes.

[3:09:08] In fact, our providers are

[3:09:10] expected to bill medicaid.

[3:09:12] Additionally, the reason we

[3:09:15] utilize the term full medicaid

[3:09:17] benefits because at one time

[3:09:19] they had family plans and that

[3:09:20] didn't cover any behavioral

[3:09:21] health.

[3:09:23] We wanted to make sure if you

[3:09:26] had that type of medicaid which

[3:09:27] didn't cover behavioral health

[3:09:28] services you would still be

[3:09:30] eligible for this program.

[3:09:31] >>coun. Rogers: thank you, MADAM

[3:09:32] PRESIDENT.

[3:09:35] The next one was have commercial

[3:09:36] insurance that covers the cost

[3:09:38] of behavioral health services to

[3:09:42] the deductible greater than

[3:09:45] $2500 or copay is $35 or more.

[3:09:46] Talk to me about that.

[3:09:48] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor

[3:09:49] rogers, what we're finding is

[3:09:51] people in the very low income,

[3:09:53] sometimes they MAY have

[3:09:54] commercial insurance, but that

[3:09:57] copay or deductive was too

[3:09:59] challenging for them to meet and

[3:10:00] still receive behavioral health.

[3:10:02] We added that to make sure we're

[3:10:05] covering the people who weren't

[3:10:06] covered in areas for services.

[3:10:07] >>coun. Rogers: wonderful.

[3:10:08] Thank you.

[3:10:11] Last question is just how do

[3:10:13] these providers give us all of

[3:10:14] this information.

[3:10:15] One of the things they're

[3:10:18] required to do is summarize the

[3:10:20] client's pattern of drug and

[3:10:21] alcohol use over time.

[3:10:23] Including how and why the

[3:10:25] problems began, describe any

[3:10:28] triggers to use the client's

[3:10:30] readiness for treatment and

[3:10:32] describe the client's experience

[3:10:34] and level of success.

[3:10:36] Including when they were in

[3:10:37] treatment and what type of

[3:10:38] treatment.

[3:10:39] Include information about why

[3:10:41] the client began using

[3:10:42] substances again.

[3:10:45] There's a whole a through I.

[3:10:47] How is the department going to

[3:10:49] get that information and share

[3:10:50] it so we can see it?

[3:10:53] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor

[3:10:54] rogers, what you're reading from

[3:10:56] is defining how expectations of

[3:10:59] how they're conducting an

[3:11:00] addition assessment.

[3:11:04] Those are required components.

[3:11:08] Due to higher standards for

[3:11:09] confidentiality for substance

[3:11:10] abuse treatment.

[3:11:12] They're expected to maintain

[3:11:14] that in the file.

[3:11:17] We have consult

[3:11:18] suality

[3:11:21] sultants monitor.

[3:11:23] To make sure they're having good

[3:11:24] clinical standards.

[3:11:25] Based on the assessment they're

[3:11:27] required to do a treatment plant

[3:11:28] and quarterly treatment plan

[3:11:29] updates.

[3:11:30] We don't actually receive this

[3:11:31] information and we shouldn't.

[3:11:32] But we do check to make sure

[3:11:34] this information is maintained

[3:11:38] in the file in accordance with

[3:11:39] procedures.

[3:11:39] >>coun. Rogers: in that unless,

[3:11:42] do we ever take those nuggets

[3:11:46] and help us design our programs?

[3:11:47] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor

[3:11:48] rogers, I'm so glad you're

[3:11:49] asking these questions.

[3:11:50] In addition, there's some

[3:11:51] additionalal information that we

[3:11:54] do ask them to collect.

[3:11:56] They're called outcomes reports.

[3:11:59] It's used for two decades.

[3:12:01] They're expected to show there's

[3:12:03] some type of progress.

[3:12:05] And sometimes in our clients we

[3:12:06] see have they established with a

[3:12:07] primary care doctor.

[3:12:09] That is a positive outcome.

[3:12:11] Those are the outcomes we looked

[3:12:12] at over time.

[3:12:15] And they also maintain that in

[3:12:17] they're file.

[3:12:18] >>coun. Rogers: those are what

[3:12:20] we should see on the dashboard?

[3:12:22] >> those are the outcomes we

[3:12:24] want to see that we hope to have

[3:12:24] operational.

[3:12:26] That we'll have operational in

[3:12:29] this fiscal year.

[3:12:30] >>coun. Rogers: thank you.

[3:12:32] We need to have it ready and

[3:12:33] ready to go.

[3:12:34] I know our teams are working

[3:12:35] hard on that.

[3:12:40] Thank you, MADAM PRESIDENT.

[3:12:41] >>coun. Pe}a: thank you.

[3:12:43] Seeing no other questions, our

[3:12:47] public commenter took her name

[3:12:51] off.

[3:12:53] With that, I urge your support

[3:12:57] on ec-196.

[3:12:59] [Roll call].

[3:13:01] >>coun. Baca: yes.

[3:13:03] >>coun. Bassan: yes.

[3:13:04] >>coun. Champine: yes.

[3:13:07] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: yes.

[3:13:09] >>coun. Grout: yes.

[3:13:10] >>coun. Lewis: yes.

[3:13:13] >>coun. Rogers: yes.

[3:13:14] >>coun. Telles: yes.

[3:13:15] >>coun. Pe}a: yes.

[3:13:17] >> passes unanimously.

[3:13:18] >>coun. Pe}a: thank you.

[3:13:21] We're now on ec-197 under

[3:13:21] approvals.

[3:13:26] I move approval of the requested

[3:13:29] increase funding for the fy27

[3:13:31] substance abuse treatment

[3:13:33] contract with engender

[3:13:33] incorporated.

[3:13:34] I move approval.

[3:13:38] There's a motion, and a second

[3:13:40] by vice PRESIDENT Champine.

[3:13:41] we'll start with comments from

[3:13:45] the councilors.

[3:13:46] I see none.

[3:13:48] We have anyone signed up to

[3:13:48] speak.

[3:13:49] There is no one signed up to

[3:13:50] speak.

[3:13:53] I urge your support on this.

[3:13:55] [Roll call].

[3:13:57] >>coun. Baca: yes.

[3:13:59] >>coun. Bassan: yes.

[3:14:01] >>coun. Champine: yes.

[3:14:03] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: yes.

[3:14:05] >>coun. Grout: yes.

[3:14:07] >>coun. Lewis: yes.

[3:14:08] >>coun. Rogers: yes.

[3:14:10] >>coun. Telles: yes.

[3:14:10] >>coun. Pe}a: yes.

[3:14:12] >> passes unanimously.

[3:14:13] >>coun. Pe}a: thank you.

[3:14:14] We're now on item 14.

[3:14:16] Final actions.

[3:14:16] Councilor grout and councilor

[3:14:19] fiebelkorn.

[3:14:20] O-32.

[3:14:23] >>coun. Grout: thank you, MADAM

[3:14:26] PRESIDENT.

[3:14:28] Amending the secondhand

[3:14:31] catalytic converter purchase

[3:14:33] ordinance and renaming it the

[3:14:35] sale of recycled materials

[3:14:36] ordinance and expanding the

[3:14:38] scope to cover copper or brass

[3:14:40] materials and updating reporting

[3:14:42] and record keeping requirements

[3:14:44] andmanidating the form of tender

[3:14:46] for transactions for this

[3:14:46] ordinance.

[3:14:50] I move do pass.

[3:14:50] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: second.

[3:14:51] Sdmrp

[3:14:53] .

[3:14:55] >>coun. Pe}a: there's a motion,

[3:14:57] and a second by councilor

[3:14:58] fiebelkorn.

[3:15:00] I'm going to go to public

[3:15:00] comment.

[3:15:01] There's none.

[3:15:01] Thank you.

[3:15:06] Any questions from councilors?

[3:15:08] open from councilor grout.

[3:15:11] Or councilor fiebelkorn.

[3:15:12] >>coun. Grout: thank you.

[3:15:15] I want to thank councilor

[3:15:16] fiebelkorn for co-sponsoring

[3:15:17] this with me.

[3:15:21] Four years ago, we brought the

[3:15:23] secondhand catalytic converter

[3:15:24] ordinance to the public.

[3:15:28] And we have seen a dramatic

[3:15:32] change -- drop in theft.

[3:15:35] And I have been -- I can

[3:15:37] honestly say I believe this has

[3:15:37] helped.

[3:15:42] We also had our partners at the

[3:15:45] county, they also passed that

[3:15:46] ordinance.

[3:15:46] I think that also helped.

[3:15:48] And we went to the state.

[3:15:50] And did the same thing.

[3:15:52] I think when you work together

[3:15:54] it can do great things.

[3:15:57] We continue to have problems

[3:16:01] with copper theft.

[3:16:04] Last year, it's been over a

[3:16:06] year, since the copper has been

[3:16:08] stripped out of the lights on

[3:16:10] east central.

[3:16:13] They dramatically changed -- it

[3:16:17] has been so dark up there.

[3:16:19] Pnm had to totally go through

[3:16:22] different measures to bring it

[3:16:22] back.

[3:16:23] And we're slowly getting it

[3:16:24] back.

[3:16:26] This can all be avoided if we

[3:16:27] make it a little more tough on

[3:16:29] the people that are selling it.

[3:16:32] Not the retailers that are

[3:16:32] buying it.

[3:16:34] That's not my intent.

[3:16:36] But to make it a little harder

[3:16:37] for the people that should not

[3:16:44] be selling it.

[3:16:45] I'm going to have -- we do have

[3:16:46] amendments.

[3:16:50] I will tell you that we worked

[3:16:52] with the community -- the

[3:16:53] recyclers in the community.

[3:16:55] It was great.

[3:16:57] we brought apd together with us.

[3:16:59] Our council staff together.

[3:17:01] And so that collaboration, I

[3:17:03] really think we have come up

[3:17:04] with a good document.

[3:17:06] We have several amendments.

[3:17:08] Again we want to make sure it's

[3:17:09] tough on the people that

[3:17:11] shouldn't be selling it, and

[3:17:13] okay for the people that are

[3:17:14] selling it.

[3:17:18] I think a lot of these

[3:17:19] amendments will be good for

[3:17:19] that.

[3:17:25] I would like to ask victor, our

[3:17:28] council counsel to go over what

[3:17:31] this bill does.

[3:17:33] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilors,

[3:17:35] this bill does four principle

[3:17:36] things.

[3:17:39] First of all, it amends the

[3:17:42] secondhand catalytic converter

[3:17:43] purchase ordinance to cover

[3:17:45] copper and brass material.

[3:17:49] We to do this because there's

[3:17:50] changes to state law that allow

[3:17:52] for record keeping and reporting

[3:17:55] requirements to include copper.

[3:17:58] Second, like I alluded, this

[3:18:00] updates the record and record

[3:18:02] keeping requirements for those

[3:18:03] types of purchases.

[3:18:04] This allows for the record

[3:18:05] keeping and reporting of

[3:18:08] catalytic converters.

[3:18:11] And record keeping of copper and

[3:18:12] brass material.

[3:18:16] Current state law does not

[3:18:17] require secondhand them to

[3:18:19] report copper and brass

[3:18:20] materials.

[3:18:22] This does not require reporting

[3:18:23] for copper and brass it requires

[3:18:25] record keeping.

[3:18:26] Third, this ordinance

[3:18:28] establishes a holding period for

[3:18:31] both catalytic converters and

[3:18:34] copper and brass material for

[3:18:36] the investigation that needs to

[3:18:38] be conducted for those materials

[3:18:42] by apd or by an investigator as

[3:18:44] authorized by the ordinance.

[3:18:46] Last, this ordinance requires

[3:18:49] that transactions in the current

[3:18:52] form -- requires it's done with

[3:18:53] check not cash.

[3:18:56] That was a specific ask by the

[3:18:58] partners at apd to help in

[3:19:01] investigations to track the

[3:19:04] purchases and the use of those

[3:19:08] funds that are coming from

[3:19:10] illicitly gained catalytic

[3:19:13] converters or copper and brass

[3:19:14] material.

[3:19:15] >>coun. Grout: thank you.

[3:19:16] At this time, MADAM PRESIDENT,

[3:19:19] I'd like to offer some

[3:19:19] amendments.

[3:19:23] We'll start with floor amendment

[3:19:23] a.

[3:19:26] That will be our first one.

[3:19:30] Again, going back, working with

[3:19:34] the vendors, these were -- and

[3:19:39] their lobbyists, they we work

[3:19:42] together to come up with these

[3:19:42] ideas to this.

[3:19:44] I'm not going to read the whole

[3:19:44] thing.

[3:19:46] I'm going to read the

[3:19:46] explanation.

[3:19:49] This first amendment changes the

[3:19:50] holding period for copper and

[3:19:52] brass materials to seven days

[3:19:55] for all sellers aside from a new

[3:19:57] seller classification.

[3:19:58] We have different

[3:20:00] classifications here now.

[3:20:02] Verified commercial sellers, and

[3:20:04] they're verified commercial

[3:20:04] sellers.

[3:20:08] But there are a lot of vendors.

[3:20:11] And plumbers, and construction

[3:20:13] folks, that these recyclers see

[3:20:14] all the time.

[3:20:16] So they know them and they're

[3:20:18] very familiar with them.

[3:20:20] That's how this came about.

[3:20:22] Due to the volume of copper and

[3:20:24] brass materials sold by verified

[3:20:27] commercial sellers, and

[3:20:31] regularity of their sales to

[3:20:34] secondhand material metal

[3:20:35] dealers cannot physically keep

[3:20:37] the volume of copper and brass

[3:20:39] material for seven days.

[3:20:41] Further, the purpose of this

[3:20:42] ordinance is to frustrate sale

[3:20:49] of illicit-sourced copper or

[3:20:51] brass.

[3:20:53] Verified brass sellers are not

[3:20:56] the target of the evils sought

[3:20:58] to be remedied by the ordinance.

[3:21:00] As such a verified commercial

[3:21:03] seller provides additional

[3:21:06] information such as industrial

[3:21:07] specific identification, copper

[3:21:09] and brass materials sold by a

[3:21:12] contractor MAY be sold or

[3:21:14] disposed of in a shorter time

[3:21:17] frame than other purchasers.

[3:21:18] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: second.

[3:21:19] >>coun. Pe}a: there's a motion,

[3:21:22] and a second by councilor

[3:21:24] fiebelkorn for floor amendment

[3:21:25] abled a.

[3:21:27] It will become floor amendment

[3:21:28] number one.

[3:21:32] Any discussion on the amendment?

[3:21:34] [Roll call].

[3:21:36] >>coun. Baca: yes.

[3:21:38] >>coun. Bassan: yes.

[3:21:40] >>coun. Champine: yes.

[3:21:41] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: yes.

[3:21:48] >>coun. Grout: yes.

[3:21:49] >>coun. Lewis: yes.

[3:21:52] >>coun. Rogers: yes.

[3:21:53] >>coun. Telles: yes.

[3:21:55] >>coun. Pe}a: no.

[3:21:58] >> passes on an 8-1 vote.

[3:22:00] >>coun. Pe}a: we're now on floor

[3:22:02] amendment labeled b in your

[3:22:02] packet.

[3:22:03] It will be floor amendment

[3:22:05] number two.

[3:22:06] Councilor grout.

[3:22:07] >>coun. Grout: thank you, MADAM

[3:22:07] PRESIDENT.

[3:22:10] Floor amendment number two, this

[3:22:12] is one is payment by check.

[3:22:15] This was specifically asked by

[3:22:15] apd.

[3:22:19] Secondhand metal dealer or

[3:22:20] dealers agent employee or

[3:22:23] representative shall pay for all

[3:22:24] purchases above $50 subject to

[3:22:27] the ordinance only by check.

[3:22:28] No person shall structure divide

[3:22:31] or separate a transaction into

[3:22:32] multiple purchases for the

[3:22:34] purpose of evading this

[3:22:35] requirement.

[3:22:37] And multiple purchases from the

[3:22:39] same seller occurring within the

[3:22:42] same business day shall be

[3:22:45] aggregated the purposes of

[3:22:47] determining whether the $50

[3:22:49] threshold has been met.

[3:22:50] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: second.

[3:22:51] >>coun. Pe}a: motion, and second

[3:22:52] by councilor fiebelkorn, for

[3:22:53] floor amendment number two.

[3:22:58] Any discussion?

[3:22:58] Councilor lewis.

[3:23:01] >>coun. Lewis: MADAM PRESIDENT,

[3:23:01] thank you.

[3:23:03] Is there someone from apd that

[3:23:04] might be able to address some

[3:23:10] questions regarding this?

[3:23:11] >>coun. Pe}a: they're working

[3:23:13] their way to the podium.

[3:23:15] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, commander

[3:23:21] sanchez is here.

[3:23:27] >>coun. Lewis: MADAM PRESIDENT,

[3:23:31] thank you.

[3:23:34] How many -- what we call

[3:23:37] vendors, how many secondhand

[3:23:39] vendors in the city of

[3:23:39] albuquerque?

[3:23:41] >> currently, we have five or

[3:23:42] six in the city.

[3:23:45] The rest is in the county of

[3:23:45] bernalillo.

[3:23:48] >>coun. Lewis: five or six.

[3:23:51] They already go through a

[3:23:53] pretty -- they're required under

[3:23:59] state laws to go through

[3:24:00] extensive -- they have to

[3:24:04] understand and know who their

[3:24:08] purchasing from.

[3:24:11] I guess, tell me about the

[3:24:13] cases, or how many cases you

[3:24:16] have where you discovered the

[3:24:19] purchase of stolen property by

[3:24:21] the vendors?

[3:24:21] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor

[3:24:24] lewis, as far as specific cases

[3:24:26] within the last year, and going

[3:24:29] back into 2025, a large number

[3:24:31] that we received is a lot of the

[3:24:33] cell phone towers that have been

[3:24:34] hit, which have taken a lot of

[3:24:36] the copper.

[3:24:39] We've also had some memorials

[3:24:40] that have been taken.

[3:24:43] Yes, the state does have some

[3:24:44] stringent enforcement policies

[3:24:50] in place, however, the way this

[3:24:52] amendment makes it is to give

[3:24:54] law enforcement some better

[3:24:57] tracking purposes as far as

[3:24:58] looking back to see who sold it

[3:25:01] to make sure that they're not

[3:25:04] using fictitious drivers license

[3:25:06] to present they're selling this

[3:25:10] metal to the secondhand sellers.

[3:25:15] And also, it gives us kind of a

[3:25:16] deterrent, especially whenever

[3:25:18] you're looking at the check.

[3:25:20] Whenever you're paying, instead

[3:25:24] of cash, you're not getting

[3:25:26] instant gratification for

[3:25:27] individuals stealing from the

[3:25:28] citizens and taking the copper

[3:25:31] and providing larger monetary

[3:25:33] value to the damage that's done

[3:25:35] to get some of this copper.

[3:25:38] As far as when you look at the

[3:25:39] cases, we looked at what would

[3:25:41] be best suited to work with not

[3:25:44] only the citizens but also the

[3:25:44] businesses.

[3:25:47] So that way we can combat the

[3:25:48] crime and make sure we're

[3:25:50] providing a deterrent but also

[3:25:52] being fair to the businesses and

[3:25:55] also the citizens.

[3:25:57] >>coun. Lewis: I know there's

[3:25:58] already a pretty extensive

[3:26:01] amount of deterrence, what

[3:26:02] evidence do you have this is

[3:26:07] being sold to these vendors?

[3:26:08] >> whenever there's a theft,

[3:26:12] whenever it's a large theft, we

[3:26:16] have our leads op

[3:26:17] nline and do

[3:26:19] copper theft or metal theft

[3:26:19] alerts.

[3:26:21] When those come in, we get

[3:26:21] those.

[3:26:23] Building those cases out as

[3:26:24] investigators, some of the

[3:26:26] things these amendments will

[3:26:28] cover will give us more teeth

[3:26:30] and more investigative leads to

[3:26:31] go after these individuals to

[3:26:34] find out who the ring leaders

[3:26:38] are to make sure the bad actors

[3:26:40] are held accountable for the

[3:26:40] actions.

[3:26:42] >>coun. Lewis: so there's five

[3:26:44] vendors in the city and you have

[3:26:46] zero evidence that stolen

[3:26:48] property is being sold to the

[3:26:48] vendors.

[3:26:49] What's your evidence?

[3:26:50] Tell me the evidence you have

[3:26:52] that this property is being sold

[3:26:54] to these five vendors in the

[3:26:54] city of albuquerque?

[3:26:56] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor

[3:26:59] lewis, the evidence is whenever

[3:27:02] the victims of these crimes call

[3:27:05] in and whenever we take the

[3:27:09] reports for the metal theft, we

[3:27:10] need ordinances like this to

[3:27:12] help us to prove that those

[3:27:16] individuals did take it to these

[3:27:17] metal sellers.

[3:27:19] These recycling places.

[3:27:22] So that way we can pinpoint this

[3:27:23] individual to being in that

[3:27:25] area, whether it be by video

[3:27:27] camera, surveillance camera, or

[3:27:28] forensic evidence located on

[3:27:30] scene to help build those cases.

[3:27:33] As it stands now, metal theft is

[3:27:37] a big issue within the city.

[3:27:39] Especially when it comes to

[3:27:40] copper theft.

[3:27:41] >>coun. Lewis: sir, I have no

[3:27:43] doubt that metal theft is a big

[3:27:43] issue in the city.

[3:27:45] But I also have no doubt that

[3:27:47] probably a large of that metal

[3:27:50] is being sold outside of our

[3:27:52] city and other states.

[3:27:56] I know that a lot of it goes to

[3:27:59] mexico.

[3:28:01] So, I believe the intentions are

[3:28:03] right.

[3:28:06] But for years and years, I know

[3:28:08] your department, this is one of

[3:28:10] the strategies to try and fight

[3:28:12] crime in the city.

[3:28:14] I do have a fundamental problem

[3:28:18] with efforts like this that put

[3:28:23] such a stringent hardship on

[3:28:26] good businesses that provide a

[3:28:28] service

[3:28:30] service.

[3:28:31] And really not having any kind

[3:28:34] of evidence that shows they've

[3:28:37] ever -- I'm sure it happens.

[3:28:40] But raising to a level of a

[3:28:42] massive problem where we put

[3:28:44] laws in place like this that

[3:28:49] just contained and constrict and

[3:28:52] restrict law-abiding citizens

[3:28:54] that want to do business in the

[3:28:55] city of albuquerque when we have

[3:28:57] no evidence that the problem is

[3:28:57] really centered there.

[3:28:59] The problem is behavior.

[3:29:02] The problem is the thefts going

[3:29:04] on around the city.

[3:29:06] I think in comparison the

[3:29:09] problem to pinpoint our efforts

[3:29:13] are not on these five

[3:29:17] businesses.

[3:29:20] Again, I also -- reading these

[3:29:21] bills, it's my understanding

[3:29:26] these are very dueplicative.

[3:29:31] These are restrictions in laws

[3:29:32] that these secondhand vendors

[3:29:37] are abiding by within our state.

[3:29:38] I think putting more and more

[3:29:42] laws on the books where we don't

[3:29:43] have evidence shows this is the

[3:29:56] heart

[3:29:58] I believe our intentions are

[3:30:00] right, I believe the sponsors's

[3:30:01] intentions are right.

[3:30:02] But I don't believe the focus

[3:30:06] should be on these, again, good

[3:30:07] businesses that provide a great

[3:30:13] service for our city.

[3:30:17] Thank you, MADAM PRESIDENT.

[3:30:18] >>coun. Pe}a: thank you.

[3:30:20] Thank you so much for answering

[3:30:22] those questions.

[3:30:24] I don't see anyone else.

[3:30:25] Any comments?

[3:30:27] You said you're good with no

[3:30:28] closing.

[3:30:31] >>coun. Grout: I urge your

[3:30:31] support.

[3:30:32] [Roll call].

[3:30:35] >>coun. Baca: yes.

[3:30:37] >>coun. Bassan: yes.

[3:30:39] >>coun. Champine: yes.

[3:30:41] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: yes.

[3:30:43] >>coun. Grout: yes.

[3:30:45] >>coun. Lewis: no.

[3:30:48] >>coun. Rogers: yes.

[3:30:48] >>coun. Telles: yes.

[3:30:51] >>coun. Pe}a: no.

[3:30:54] >> passes on a 7-2 vote.

[3:30:55] >>coun. Pe}a: we're now on floor

[3:30:57] amendment labeled c.

[3:30:58] It will become floor amendment

[3:30:58] number three.

[3:30:59] Councilor grout.

[3:31:01] >>coun. Grout: thank you, MADAM

[3:31:01] PRESIDENT.

[3:31:04] This amendment just adds in this

[3:31:08] ordinance's record keeping and

[3:31:10] requirements shall be construed

[3:31:12] and no more strangeant than the

[3:31:14] state's requirements.

[3:31:15] I move do pass.

[3:31:16] >>coun. Pe}a: there's a motion,

[3:31:17] and a second by vice PRESIDENT

[3:31:17] Champine.

[3:31:19] >>coun. Grout: I would like to

[3:31:22] just mention we went on field

[3:31:23] trips.

[3:31:27] We went to one of the recycling

[3:31:27] vendor.

[3:31:29] And they walked us through the

[3:31:29] process.

[3:31:31] they also told us that there are

[3:31:35] times when people show up and

[3:31:37] they're afraid that they didn't

[3:31:40] come by that scrap honestly.

[3:31:43] So they will call in.

[3:31:47] And also, those bad actors learn

[3:31:49] that they won't be accepted

[3:31:51] there so they go to some other

[3:31:51] ones.

[3:31:53] There's a couple just right down

[3:31:54] the road from 2nd street.

[3:31:56] I think it might be in the

[3:31:57] county.

[3:32:00] I will say the county -- the

[3:32:01] county commissioner is very

[3:32:05] excited about bringing this to

[3:32:05] bernalillo county pause

[3:32:06] because we

[3:32:07] want to make sure all of the

[3:32:09] surrounding areas -- I do agree,

[3:32:10] sometimes they go down south.

[3:32:12] But we have to capture those

[3:32:14] ones around here.

[3:32:17] We did work with the vendors.

[3:32:18] I'll go back to that.

[3:32:24] They told us that these are best

[3:32:28] practices.

[3:32:29] >>coun. Pe}a: there's a motion,

[3:32:30] and a second.

[3:32:34] [Roll call].

[3:32:36] >>coun. Baca: yes.

[3:32:37] >>coun. Bassan: yes.

[3:32:39] >>coun. Champine: yes.

[3:32:42] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: yes.

[3:32:44] >>coun. Grout: yes.

[3:32:47] >>coun. Lewis: no.

[3:32:49] >>coun. Rogers: yes.

[3:32:50] >>coun. Telles: yes.

[3:32:51] >>coun. Pe}a: no.

[3:32:54] >> passes on a 7-2 vote.

[3:32:55] >>coun. Pe}a: we're now on floor

[3:32:58] amendment labeled d in your

[3:32:58] packet.

[3:33:00] It will become floor amendment

[3:33:01] number four.

[3:33:02] Councilor grout.

[3:33:03] >>coun. Grout: thank you, MADAM

[3:33:05] PRESIDENT.

[3:33:06] Floor amendment four.

[3:33:07] Again, not going to read through

[3:33:10] the whole thing.

[3:33:12] It gives an alternative option

[3:33:15] for secondhand metal dealers to

[3:33:17] preserve a record of a catalytic

[3:33:19] converter or copper or brass

[3:33:20] material transaction via

[3:33:22] continuous video recording.

[3:33:28] Again, not wanting to make it so

[3:33:30] burdensome on it the vendors.

[3:33:34] The vendor we visited with, they

[3:33:35] actually have equipment and

[3:33:37] they're able to record when the

[3:33:38] vehicle drives up.

[3:33:42] And record that license plate.

[3:33:43] They're going to capture the

[3:33:44] person's face.

[3:33:47] And there's a process by how

[3:33:48] they go.

[3:33:50] And there are some small

[3:33:52] businesses that won't have the

[3:33:54] means to buy the fancy equipment

[3:33:55] yet.

[3:33:57] They will have to do it the

[3:34:01] old-fashioned way.

[3:34:01] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: second.

[3:34:02] >>coun. Pe}a: there's a motion,

[3:34:03] and a second by councilor

[3:34:04] fiebelkorn, for floor amendment

[3:34:05] number four.

[3:34:08] Any questions from the

[3:34:08] councilors?

[3:34:09] Councilor rogers.

[3:34:10] >>coun. Rogers: thank you, MADAM

[3:34:11] PRESIDENT.

[3:34:13] I just want to ask the sponsor,

[3:34:15] given all the conversation we

[3:34:18] had about flock cameras during

[3:34:24] public comment, this is it MAY

[3:34:26] create, it doesn't require them.

[3:34:27] If they do they have to keep

[3:34:30] this for two months as outlined

[3:34:30] here?

[3:34:33] >>coun. Grout: I believe so.

[3:34:35] >> councilor pe}a, councilor

[3:34:36] rogers, that's correct.

[3:34:38] The reason being is the current

[3:34:42] state law is a permissive

[3:34:43] scheme.

[3:34:46] It states that a seller MAY take

[3:34:49] a digital photograph -- I'm

[3:34:52] sorry -- a secondhand metal

[3:34:53] dealer MAY take a photograph of

[3:34:54] a seller.

[3:34:56] This provides an alternative to

[3:34:58] serve as a best practices

[3:35:00] approach based on what we've

[3:35:02] seen with the industry to get a

[3:35:04] sense of an alternative version

[3:35:06] to make sure they can correctly

[3:35:07] have alternative ways of

[3:35:09] documenting the process.

[3:35:12] This is sort of a section of

[3:35:14] this bill is an aspirational

[3:35:18] best practices kind of structure

[3:35:22] so when there's a record being

[3:35:25] taken, the kind we sought during

[3:35:27] our field trip, so to speak,

[3:35:30] that really left an imprint on

[3:35:32] how these industries should be

[3:35:34] approaching records retention

[3:35:35] that best assist in further

[3:35:37] investigation should they arise.

[3:35:37] >>coun. Rogers: just a follow up

[3:35:38] to that.

[3:35:41] Just like the city of

[3:35:42] albuquerque must label that we

[3:35:44] have automatic speed cameras,

[3:35:47] for example, so folks know.

[3:35:49] Are businesses required to say

[3:35:53] we are -- you're under

[3:35:53] surveillance?

[3:35:54] Is there any requirements in

[3:35:57] this that says we have to

[3:35:58] actively let people know that's

[3:36:00] what's happening if they choose

[3:36:03] to patron that business?

[3:36:05] >> councilor rogers, this

[3:36:07] wouldn't require that those --

[3:36:09] there will be a notification

[3:36:10] that this kind of notification

[3:36:11] would be there.

[3:36:15] But the best practices we've

[3:36:17] seen from the metal center we

[3:36:19] went to make it very obvious.

[3:36:21] They indicate your picture will

[3:36:24] be taken and your id will be

[3:36:25] copied and information will be

[3:36:27] taken down about the vehicle

[3:36:28] that's going to be removed.

[3:36:29] When the material is being

[3:36:31] weighed, it won't be moved until

[3:36:32] documentation has been made of

[3:36:35] that material in terms of video

[3:36:39] from above or from the side.

[3:36:42] It is -- it's not only obvious,

[3:36:45] it's clear that the material and

[3:36:49] that the record that's being

[3:36:53] kept is evident.

[3:36:54] >>coun. Rogers: we saw that was

[3:36:55] a best practice but didn't make

[3:36:57] it a requirement?

[3:36:59] >> that's correct.

[3:37:00] >>coun. Rogers: would the

[3:37:03] sponsor be willing to have a

[3:37:04] friendly amendment that the

[3:37:06] business owner needs to have

[3:37:07] something displayed to meet the

[3:37:11] best practices of what you saw?

[3:37:12] If they're going to do this they

[3:37:16] should advertise that.

[3:37:17] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor

[3:37:18] rogers, I think an amendment

[3:37:20] that would be proposed and voted

[3:37:24] on would be an promote

[3:37:24] circumstance.

[3:37:26] For council, we have a standing

[3:37:28] resistance to friendly

[3:37:30] amendments as procedural point.

[3:37:32] As to an amendment, that could

[3:37:33] be something that could be

[3:37:36] discussed along the councilors.

[3:37:38] >>coun. Rogers: thank you.

[3:37:40] I appreciate what our staff

[3:37:40] prefers.

[3:37:42] My question is for the sponsor,

[3:37:46] if she would be open.

[3:37:46] >>coun. Pe}a: councilor rogers,

[3:37:48] I think because there's no such

[3:37:51] things a friendly amendment, I

[3:37:53] think what you would have to do

[3:37:55] is propose it as an amendment to

[3:37:55] the amendment.

[3:37:56] >>coun. Rogers: thank you, MADAM

[3:37:56] PRESIDENT.

[3:37:58] When did that change?

[3:38:00] I've been here for three years

[3:38:03] and did a bunch of friendly

[3:38:03] amendments.

[3:38:04] >>coun. Pe}a: there's no such

[3:38:06] thing as a friendly amendment.

[3:38:07] >>coun. Rogers: MADAM PRESIDENT,

[3:38:08] since when?

[3:38:13] >>coun. Pe}a: in robert's rules.

[3:38:15] >>coun. Rogers: thank you, MADAM

[3:38:22] PRESIDENT, I'd love to see that.

[3:38:24] Oh, so I call it the amendment

[3:38:26] to the amendment, not friendly

[3:38:26] amendment.

[3:38:28] Thank you for helping me learn.

[3:38:30] Three years in, I'm still

[3:38:31] learning.

[3:38:32] I'd like to make an amendment to

[3:38:34] the amendment, to include

[3:38:37] language there has to be some

[3:38:38] type of notification to the

[3:38:39] public that this is taking

[3:38:39] place.

[3:38:40] Similar to what you saw in the

[3:38:44] best practices that you visited.

[3:38:45] >>coun. Pe}a: that was in the

[3:38:47] form of a motion?

[3:38:49] Is there a second?

[3:38:54] I'll second it.

[3:38:56] >>coun. Rogers: thank you, MADAM

[3:38:57] PRESIDENT.

[3:38:57] >>coun. Pe}a: any discussion on

[3:39:02] the amendment to the amendment?

[3:39:04] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, can you

[3:39:07] clarify what your secondary

[3:39:07] amendment is?

[3:39:08] >>coun. Rogers: what I would

[3:39:13] like to add is if businesses

[3:39:15] choose, MAY, they're not

[3:39:16] required to, if they choose to

[3:39:20] have this type of level of

[3:39:22] surveillance, they advertise

[3:39:24] that in some kind of signage.

[3:39:26] Whatever the best practice they

[3:39:28] saw when they went on the field

[3:39:28] trip.

[3:39:29] I don't know what that is

[3:39:31] because I didn't get to go.

[3:39:34] I'll maybe need to work with the

[3:39:35] sponsor to come up with the

[3:39:36] correct language.

[3:39:38] I see our team doing that.

[3:39:41] >>coun. Pe}a: they're working on

[3:39:42] drafting that.

[3:39:43] >>coun. Bassan: MADAM PRESIDENT,

[3:39:45] I have a question.

[3:39:46] if I'm understanding it

[3:39:47] correctly.

[3:39:49] This amendment is adding in a

[3:39:50] section.

[3:39:53] So the buyer would have to

[3:39:55] either take photographs of

[3:39:58] everything listed in this bill,

[3:40:01] or they MAY choose to do a video

[3:40:04] of all of these things.

[3:40:05] Is that correct?

[3:40:06] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor

[3:40:07] bassan, that's correct.

[3:40:12] >>coun. Bassan: thank you.

[3:40:13] >>coun. Pe}a: councilor

[3:40:13] fiebelkorn.

[3:40:14] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: thank you,

[3:40:14] MADAM PRESIDENT.

[3:40:17] I guess I just have a bigger

[3:40:18] question.

[3:40:19] I'm not sure that you're

[3:40:22] entitled to privacy anywhere in

[3:40:23] public anymore.

[3:40:25] I go to a lot of stores and all

[3:40:27] the stores have surveillance.

[3:40:30] I don't see any signage in my

[3:40:31] neighborhood store when I go in

[3:40:33] there that says you're under

[3:40:34] surveillance, but I am.

[3:40:36] I want to make sure that we're

[3:40:38] not just singling out these

[3:40:39] particular businesses with that

[3:40:40] kind of requirement.

[3:40:42] I don't know if anybody can

[3:40:44] answer that, but it's my

[3:40:47] understanding that in public you

[3:40:49] don't have to -- I agree with

[3:40:50] the councilor.

[3:40:50] You should.

[3:40:53] But I don't think that is the

[3:40:56] generally agreed upon way this

[3:40:56] work.

[3:40:57] I just want to make sure we're

[3:40:59] not making these five businesses

[3:41:00] do something that everybody else

[3:41:01] isn't doing.

[3:41:02] >>coun. Rogers: thank you, MADAM

[3:41:03] PRESIDENT.

[3:41:04] I think that's a good point.

[3:41:07] That's why I love the debate.

[3:41:10] I think most of the places i

[3:41:12] patron will have a sign that

[3:41:15] says you're under surveillance.

[3:41:16] It's not mandatory.

[3:41:19] Even at the airport, when you

[3:41:21] have to put your face to fly.

[3:41:23] It says you have the option not

[3:41:26] to be photographed, even at our

[3:41:26] airport.

[3:41:28] I'm willing to -- I don't want

[3:41:29] us to do that.

[3:41:32] I don't want us to single out --

[3:41:34] to councilor lewis's point, five

[3:41:35] businesses if we don't make that

[3:41:37] a rule across the board.

[3:41:38] I think that is the right thing

[3:41:39] to do.

[3:41:42] I'll withdraw my not-friendly

[3:41:46] amendment to the amendment.

[3:41:47] >>coun. Pe}a: the unfriendly

[3:41:48] amendment.

[3:41:49] I just want to say that I

[3:41:51] supported the amendment.

[3:41:53] I think that somebody is going

[3:41:55] to go in there, I think they

[3:41:55] should know.

[3:41:58] It falls in the line of

[3:42:00] entrapment if you go into a

[3:42:01] place to sell copper and you're

[3:42:03] being recorded and you don't

[3:42:03] realize that.

[3:42:04] That's that.

[3:42:05] >> MADAM Chair, since that

[3:42:08] amendment was seconded -- it

[3:42:09] belongs to the body.

[3:42:14] You have to take a vote.

[3:42:16] >>coun. Pe}a: I thought she can

[3:42:18] withdraw it?

[3:42:18] Okay.

[3:42:20] [Roll combraubtial].

[3:42:23] [Roll call].

[3:42:27] >>coun. Baca: no.

[3:42:30] >>coun. Bassan: yes.

[3:42:34] >>coun. Champine: no.

[3:42:37] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: yes.

[3:42:43] >>coun. Grout: no.

[3:42:45] -- withdrawal, yes.

[3:42:47] >> you're changing your vote to

[3:42:48] a yes?

[3:42:49] >>coun. Grout: yes.

[3:42:51] [Roll call].

[3:42:54] >>coun. Lewis: yes.

[3:42:57] >>coun. Rogers: yes.

[3:42:57] >>coun. Telles: yes.

[3:43:00] >>coun. Pe}a: no.

[3:43:03] >> passes on a 6-3 vote.

[3:43:06] >>coun. Pe}a: we're now back on

[3:43:10] the amendment as it was not

[3:43:12] amended.

[3:43:14] I don't think there was any

[3:43:16] additional discussions.

[3:43:17] Councilor grout.

[3:43:18] >>coun. Grout: I urge your

[3:43:19] support.

[3:43:23] [Roll call].

[3:43:25] >>coun. Baca: yes.

[3:43:27] >>coun. Bassan: yes.

[3:43:29] >>coun. Champine: yes.

[3:43:32] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: yes.

[3:43:35] >>coun. Grout: yes.

[3:43:37] >>coun. Lewis: no.

[3:43:39] >>coun. Rogers: yes.

[3:43:41] >>coun. Telles: yes.

[3:43:42] >>coun. Pe}a: no.

[3:43:45] >> passes on a 7-2 vote.

[3:43:46] >>coun. Pe}a: thank you.

[3:43:48] We're now on floor amendment

[3:43:49] labeled e in your packet will be

[3:43:51] floor amendment number five.

[3:43:51] Councilor grout.

[3:43:52] >>coun. Grout: thank you, MADAM

[3:43:52] PRESIDENT.

[3:43:56] This one is just an amendment to

[3:43:58] correct multiple type graphical

[3:44:01] errors in the bill by incerting

[3:44:06] the term term of art

[3:44:08] catalytic

[3:44:09] converter.

[3:44:10] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: second.

[3:44:11] >>coun. Pe}a: there's a motion,

[3:44:12] and a second by councilor

[3:44:12] fiebelkorn.

[3:44:15] Any discussion from councilors?

[3:44:19] [Roll call].

[3:44:21] >>coun. Baca: yes.

[3:44:23] >>coun. Bassan: yes.

[3:44:24] >>coun. Champine: yes.

[3:44:26] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: yes.

[3:44:29] >>coun. Grout: yes.

[3:44:32] >>coun. Lewis: yes.

[3:44:34] >>coun. Rogers: yes.

[3:44:36] >>coun. Telles: yes.

[3:44:37] >>coun. Pe}a: yes.

[3:44:38] >> passes unanimously.

[3:44:40] >>coun. Pe}a: we're now on the

[3:44:43] final amendment that I see,

[3:44:44] anyway.

[3:44:45] This is floor amendment labeled

[3:44:46] f.

[3:44:46] It will be floor amendment

[3:44:47] number six.

[3:44:49] >>coun. Grout: thank you, MADAM

[3:44:50] PRESIDENT.

[3:44:51] This one that councilor bassan

[3:44:53] was able to notify us of.

[3:44:58] We just need to change one word

[3:44:59] from state to city.

[3:45:01] This amendment corrects an error

[3:45:03] in the bill by correcting

[3:45:04] reflecting the jurisdictional

[3:45:07] bounds of this ordinance only to

[3:45:10] the city not the entire state.

[3:45:11] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: second.

[3:45:12] >>coun. Pe}a: there's a motion,

[3:45:14] and a second by councilor

[3:45:15] fiebelkorn.

[3:45:16] For technical fix.

[3:45:18] Any councilors?

[3:45:19] >>coun. Grout: urge your

[3:45:19] support.

[3:45:21] [Roll call].

[3:45:23] >>coun. Baca: yes.

[3:45:25] >>coun. Bassan: yes.

[3:45:27] >>coun. Champine: yes.

[3:45:29] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: yes.

[3:45:30] >>coun. Grout: yes.

[3:45:32] >>coun. Lewis: yes.

[3:45:35] >>coun. Rogers: yes.

[3:45:38] >>coun. Telles: yes.

[3:45:39] >>coun. Pe}a: yes.

[3:45:44] >> passes unanimously.

[3:45:46] >>coun. Pe}a: thank you.

[3:45:50] We're now back on the bill as

[3:45:52] amended six times.

[3:45:52] O-39.

[3:45:54] Do we have anyone signed up to

[3:45:55] speak?

[3:45:56] We have no one signed up to

[3:46:06] speak?

[3:46:06] No?

[3:46:09] Okay.

[3:46:10] any other discussion from

[3:46:11] councilors?

[3:46:11] Seeing none.

[3:46:12] Councilor grout and councilor

[3:46:13] fiebelkorn to close.

[3:46:15] >>coun. Grout: I would just like

[3:46:19] to thank everybody that worked

[3:46:21] on this -- everybody that worked

[3:46:25] on this ordinance update.

[3:46:25] Apd.

[3:46:26] Council staff.

[3:46:30] The vendors.

[3:46:31] And councilor fiebelkorn.

[3:46:33] I just am grateful for the

[3:46:35] collaboration and the teamwork

[3:46:37] of coming together and making

[3:46:40] compromises and I think it will

[3:46:40] be better.

[3:46:43] I look forward to having

[3:46:47] brighter days on the streets.

[3:46:50] And I know that the vendors --

[3:46:51] there's some great vendors out

[3:46:52] there that want to do the

[3:46:56] recognize -- right thing.

[3:46:58] They don't want to get caught up

[3:46:59] in what could be something bad.

[3:47:01] Ibrush

[3:47:04] I appreciate their willingness

[3:47:06] to know there needs to be this

[3:47:06] change.

[3:47:07] I'm grateful for it.

[3:47:08] I urge your support.

[3:47:13] [Roll call].

[3:47:16] >>coun. Baca: yes.

[3:47:17] >>coun. Bassan: yes.

[3:47:19] >>coun. Champine: yes.

[3:47:22] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: yes.

[3:47:24] >>coun. Grout: yes.

[3:47:26] >>coun. Lewis: no.

[3:47:28] >>coun. Rogers: yes.

[3:47:30] >>coun. Telles: yes.

[3:47:30] >>coun. Pe}a: yes.

[3:47:34] >> passes on an 8-1 vote.

[3:47:35] >>coun. Pe}a: thank you.

[3:47:36] We're on o-35.

[3:47:42] This is my -- by request.

[3:47:45] This is municipal solid waste

[3:47:46] ordinance collection and

[3:47:49] disposal rate to increase

[3:47:52] disposal fees for centers for

[3:47:54] businesses and residents outside

[3:47:55] of albuquerque limits.

[3:47:58] Collection fees for city

[3:47:59] municipality landfill and

[3:48:01] convenience center to provide

[3:48:01] proof of residency.

[3:48:06] I move do pass.

[3:48:09] There's a motion, and a second

[3:48:11] by councilor bassan for do pass

[3:48:15] of o-35.

[3:48:16] Anyone signed up to speak?

[3:48:30] >> jonah followed by mervin.

[3:48:47] Mervin.

[3:48:52] >> thank you, again, MADAM

[3:48:52] PRESIDENT.

[3:48:54] I've been here before with this

[3:48:55] matter.

[3:48:58] On MAY 30th, 2025 I was run down

[3:49:02] by a city of albuquerque solid

[3:49:03] waste management vehicle driven

[3:49:07] by three employees of the solid

[3:49:07] waste management.

[3:49:14] The driver that -- samir

[3:49:17] edwards.

[3:49:21] Imil -- charles casias was

[3:49:22] passenger.

[3:49:28] The apd public service aide

[3:49:33] enrique diaz, 8-7-14.

[3:49:37] He filed a falsified new mexico

[3:49:39] investigation crash report.

[3:49:42] He, himself, told me that the

[3:49:46] camera that he had on was --

[3:49:47] >> sir.

[3:49:49] Your comments have to be germane

[3:49:51] to the topic in the ordinance

[3:49:53] that we're discussing.

[3:49:56] >> let me get back to the topic

[3:49:57] at hand.

[3:49:59] The amendment you're talking

[3:50:02] about should include that the

[3:50:04] city of albuquerque employees

[3:50:07] should not be allowed to use

[3:50:10] city of albuquerque property to

[3:50:14] harm, injure, maim or cause the

[3:50:15] death of any city of albuquerque

[3:50:18] death or visitors.

[3:50:21] The traffic cams, the camera of

[3:50:23] the day, the video was

[3:50:23] destroyed.

[3:50:25] >>coun. Champine: sir, again,

[3:50:28] this ordinance we're discussing

[3:50:30] front has to do with an increase

[3:50:32] in fees.

[3:50:34] Not have to do with cameras or

[3:50:36] policies and procedures of how

[3:50:38] accidents are tracked within the

[3:50:39] system.

[3:50:41] If you have comment about the

[3:50:44] increase in fees for outside the

[3:50:45] residents, please give them.

[3:50:46] If not, then your public comment

[3:50:48] is over, sir.

[3:50:49] >> okay.

[3:50:52] I would like to address, again,

[3:50:54] if anybody is going to be paying

[3:50:57] for services of the city of

[3:50:58] albuquerque here in the city or

[3:51:00] outside of the city, I think the

[3:51:03] rule of law should be followed.

[3:51:07] I think enforcement should be

[3:51:08] included in this amendment.

[3:51:09] That city of albuquerque

[3:51:11] employees should not be allowed

[3:51:14] to use city of albuquerque

[3:51:16] property to injure other people

[3:51:19] or cause death.

[3:51:19] Thank you.

[3:51:20] >>coun. Champine: thank you,

[3:51:29] sir.

[3:51:30] >>coun. Pe}a: thank you.

[3:51:34] Any other questions from

[3:51:34] councilors?

[3:51:35] Councilor telles.

[3:51:36] >>coun. Telles: thank you, MADAM

[3:51:36] PRESIDENT.

[3:51:41] I just have a couple of

[3:51:41] questions.

[3:51:43] I guess for the director.

[3:51:56] Maybe even our sponsors.

[3:51:58] Hello, director.

[3:52:00] How are you?

[3:52:01] >> good.

[3:52:02] >>coun. Telles: I had fun on my

[3:52:03] solid waste tour.

[3:52:04] Thank you for that.

[3:52:07] Really was hoping I would get a

[3:52:08] pink hard hat, but yellow is not

[3:52:10] my color.

[3:52:11] It worked out anyway.

[3:52:14] I just have a couple of

[3:52:19] questions on the cost basis for

[3:52:23] setting it at $12 versus $5.

[3:52:29] Did you do a cost of service

[3:52:34] analysis, or is that a round

[3:52:37] number policy choice?

[3:52:38] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor

[3:52:40] telles, we do have a cost of

[3:52:41] service we do annually.

[3:52:46] The cost of service will show we

[3:52:51] subsidize $19.69 for the $5, and

[3:52:55] 12 will be subsidized at $12.69.

[3:52:57] >>coun. Telles: thank you, MADAM

[3:52:57] PRESIDENT, director.

[3:53:00] Who checks the utility bill or

[3:53:03] id at the point of disposal at

[3:53:05] the convenience center?

[3:53:07] Have they trained staff for it

[3:53:09] to be effective after the

[3:53:10] adoption of the bill?

[3:53:11] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor

[3:53:14] telles, the cashiers will be the

[3:53:17] ones checking for the

[3:53:18] information required.

[3:53:20] As far as being trained, we have

[3:53:22] not fully trained them at this

[3:53:22] time.

[3:53:25] But it will not take more than a

[3:53:26] week to train them.

[3:53:28] >>coun. Telles: thank you,

[3:53:28] director.

[3:53:31] Will there be an sop developed

[3:53:34] so they can follow that?

[3:53:36] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor

[3:53:37] telles, yes.

[3:53:38] >>coun. Telles: wonderful.

[3:53:38] Thank you.

[3:53:40] MADAM PRESIDENT, director, what

[3:53:42] happens to someone who is a

[3:53:47] genuine in city resident but

[3:53:48] doesn't

[3:53:50] have a utility bill or id.

[3:53:53] Is there an appeal or process or

[3:53:55] are they just charged out of

[3:53:55] city rate?

[3:53:57] >> currently, they're charged

[3:53:58] out of city rate.

[3:54:00] >>coun. Telles: my final

[3:54:01] question, thank you, MADAM

[3:54:02] PRESIDENT.

[3:54:04] How many out of city residential

[3:54:05] and commercial accounts use

[3:54:07] these convenience centers?

[3:54:09] And what's the projected revenue

[3:54:10] impact?

[3:54:11] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor

[3:54:14] telles, roughly 42% is what

[3:54:17] we -- during the time we got the

[3:54:19] information, is out of the city.

[3:54:24] And roughly $1.1 million is what

[3:54:25] we would generate.

[3:54:26] >>coun. Telles: thank you.

[3:54:27] Those are all my questions.

[3:54:29] I appreciate it.

[3:54:30] >>coun. Pe}a: any additional

[3:54:32] comments or questions?

[3:54:32] No.

[3:54:33] There you go.

[3:54:36] I will close by saying I urge

[3:54:36] your support.

[3:54:40] [Roll call].

[3:54:42] >>coun. Baca: yes.

[3:54:44] >>coun. Bassan: yes.

[3:54:46] >>coun. Champine: yes.

[3:54:48] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: yes.

[3:54:51] >>coun. Grout: yes.

[3:54:53] >>coun. Lewis: no.

[3:54:55] >>coun. Rogers: yes.

[3:54:56] >>coun. Telles: yes.

[3:54:57] >>coun. Pe}a: yes.

[3:55:00] >> passes on an 8-1 vote.

[3:55:02] >>coun. Pe}a: thank you so much

[3:55:05] we're now on o-39, by request.

[3:55:06] Councilor grout.

[3:55:08] >>coun. Grout: thank you, MADAM

[3:55:08] PRESIDENT.

[3:55:09] Amending the integrated

[3:55:11] development ordinance to revise

[3:55:13] regulation for cannabis and

[3:55:17] nicotine retail uses in table

[3:55:21] 4-2-1, allowable uses in section

[3:55:24] 14-16-4-3.

[3:55:35] I move a do pass.

[3:55:36] >>coun. Pe}a: there's a motion

[3:55:38] and a second by councilor

[3:55:39] bassan.

[3:55:40] We'll go to public comment,

[3:55:41] right out of the gate.

[3:55:42] >> thank you, MADAM PRESIDENT.

[3:55:44] First speaker is grace followed

[3:55:55] by jonah.

[3:55:58] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, I stand in

[3:55:59] opposition to this ordinance

[3:56:02] because it's a thinly veiled

[3:56:03] attempt to continue exclusionary

[3:56:06] and racist history of zoning

[3:56:07] laws.

[3:56:09] This isn't about buffers and

[3:56:10] setbacks, albuquerque has a

[3:56:13] documented history of racial

[3:56:14] covenants that excluded black

[3:56:17] and hispanic and asian american

[3:56:18] families from entire

[3:56:19] neighborhoods.

[3:56:21] Covenants that will sit on

[3:56:22] property deeds today.

[3:56:25] This city has documented history

[3:56:27] of routing undesirable land uses

[3:56:31] into the same historic

[3:56:31] neighborhoods of color.

[3:56:34] South valley, international

[3:56:35] districts, west side.

[3:56:37] That's the result of neutral

[3:56:40] tools like buffers.

[3:56:42] I'm not asking to draw more

[3:56:44] lines on a map.

[3:56:46] More buffers overlays, it's the

[3:56:49] same exclusionary tool kit aimed

[3:56:50] at a new target.

[3:56:53] You created cannabis equity fund

[3:56:55] for putting money into

[3:56:58] communities run by exclusionary

[3:56:59] tool kit.

[3:57:01] Yet the sponsor voted against

[3:57:02] the guarantee basic income

[3:57:04] process which is funded by

[3:57:06] cannabis grt revenue which will

[3:57:13] be decreasing as a result of the

[3:57:15] disclusionary on cannabis doors.

[3:57:16] Please oppose this.

[3:57:27] >> jonah followed by erica.

[3:57:34] Erica, followed by jeff.

[3:57:35] >> good evening, MADAM

[3:57:38] PRESIDENT, councilors.

[3:57:40] Albuquerque has generated over

[3:57:44] $670 million in cumulative

[3:57:45] economic activity from legal

[3:57:49] cannabis sales since adult use

[3:57:51] launched in APRIL of 2022.

[3:57:54] Representing nearly 30% of new

[3:57:55] mexico's total state market, the

[3:57:56] city leveraged the industry into

[3:57:58] a major driver for local

[3:58:01] businesses, job creation, and

[3:58:02] municipal infrastructure.

[3:58:04] Please help us as an industry to

[3:58:06] survive and thrive rather than

[3:58:09] creating legislation that

[3:58:12] continues the stigmamization of

[3:58:14] a plant that is useful.

[3:58:15] New mexico has the opportunity

[3:58:17] to support the small business in

[3:58:19] an industry that can bolster

[3:58:21] tourism and health

[3:58:21] opportunities.

[3:58:24] You all are cutting us away from

[3:58:26] more real estate opportunities

[3:58:31] we already don't have.

[3:58:32] Lumping us with nicotine and

[3:58:36] vape stores makes no sense to me

[3:58:37] either.

[3:58:41] Please reconsider.

[3:58:41] Vote no.

[3:58:49] >> jeff followed by ian.

[3:58:52] >> good evening, MADAM

[3:58:53] PRESIDENT, council members.

[3:58:55] I spoke the last time this bill

[3:58:55] came up.

[3:58:57] I'm not going to go over what I

[3:58:59] said the last time.

[3:59:01] I know -- I actually

[3:59:02] represent -- I run the small

[3:59:03] business for ten years now.

[3:59:06] In the last year, I had to form

[3:59:07] the small business coalition of

[3:59:09] new mexico as well as the

[3:59:11] consumer rights coalition of new

[3:59:11] mexico.

[3:59:12] Trying to protect consumer's

[3:59:15] right to fair and free access to

[3:59:16] products.

[3:59:19] And also protect small business

[3:59:20] owners in new mexico.

[3:59:22] Just like myself, I put hundreds

[3:59:24] of thousands of dollars into

[3:59:26] businesses only to find the next

[3:59:28] morning I wake up to some new

[3:59:29] regulation or some law that

[3:59:31] actually isn't helping to make

[3:59:32] us thrive.

[3:59:35] You create one industry or laws

[3:59:36] that allow industries to thrive

[3:59:38] but the next day there's a new

[3:59:40] rule or regulation that makes us

[3:59:42] want to leave the state.

[3:59:44] I'm here to -- I really

[3:59:46] appreciate the mayor's office

[3:59:47] and some of the councilors met

[3:59:50] with representatives of our

[3:59:54] coalition to work out -- thank

[3:59:54] you.

[4:00:08] >> ian followed by alan.

[4:00:26] Alan followed by tad.

[4:00:30] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, members of

[4:00:33] the council, there's an

[4:00:36] ordinance that you want to close

[4:00:38] out of this bill -- you want to

[4:00:42] close smoke shops at 11 o'clock.

[4:00:44] I understand the reason because

[4:00:46] it's like five or six smoke

[4:00:49] shops that are just terrible.

[4:00:51] They have bad actors outside.

[4:00:54] But you can take care of those

[4:00:57] five or six smoke shops by doing

[4:01:01] an ordinance that's noise --

[4:01:04] nuisance ordinance, and you

[4:01:07] can't go around and close every

[4:01:09] gas station at 10 o'clock.

[4:01:11] We don't have the policing for

[4:01:11] it.

[4:01:12] There's no money in the bill to

[4:01:13] police it.

[4:01:16] You can't go to a circle k gas

[4:01:19] station and maverick and smith's

[4:01:21] to make sure this will is really

[4:01:23] going to go through.

[4:01:25] Lastly, you have enough time to

[4:01:27] get rid of clusters of

[4:01:30] dispensaries and smoke shops.

[4:01:33] There are more smoke shops

[4:01:34] closing than opening.

[4:01:36] The free market is taking care

[4:01:40] of this problem.

[4:01:41] >>coun. Pe}a: thank you.

[4:01:51] >> tad.

[4:01:51] >> thank you.

[4:01:57] My name is tad.

[4:02:02] Well, here is -- back before

[4:02:04] 1969, I love in chicago.

[4:02:07] We have bars all over.

[4:02:13] Almost on every corner.

[4:02:17] now, when I move to albuquerque,

[4:02:18] same ways.

[4:02:20] Bars all over.

[4:02:28] What's going on with bars?

[4:02:32] What are they doing over there?

[4:02:36] They're selling drug

[4:02:38] paraphernalia for high price.

[4:02:41] That is the picture.

[4:02:45] You go to the smoke shops,

[4:02:49] marijuana shops, no.

[4:02:50] I doubt it.

[4:02:52] I urge you to go over there and

[4:02:54] check it.

[4:02:59] And cops need to stay behind it.

[4:03:04] And they put in low income

[4:03:08] districts like the tower

[4:03:08] downtown.

[4:03:09] >>coun. Pe}a: thank you.

[4:03:13] >> smoke shops.

[4:03:13] Thank you.

[4:03:15] >> that concludes comment.

[4:03:16] Thank you.

[4:03:17] >>coun. Pe}a: thank you.

[4:03:18] We were back on the bill.

[4:03:21] Before I go to councilors, I

[4:03:23] will ask the sponsor if she's

[4:03:24] like to move the floor amendment

[4:03:26] first before we go to questions

[4:03:29] or comments?

[4:03:31] >>coun. Grout: thank you, MADAM

[4:03:31] PRESIDENT.

[4:03:34] We do have a committee amendment

[4:03:34] to offer.

[4:03:39] I will say, again, we worked

[4:03:40] with the industry.

[4:03:42] Spent some time with them.

[4:03:45] And because we know -- I want to

[4:03:47] start, also, by saying this has

[4:03:52] nothing to do with me and my

[4:03:52] morals.

[4:03:54] This has nothing to do with me.

[4:03:57] It has to do with the

[4:03:57] administration.

[4:04:00] This is the administration's

[4:04:00] bill.

[4:04:02] I am offering it by request.

[4:04:03] We met with them.

[4:04:05] We met with the industry.

[4:04:07] We talked with them.

[4:04:11] We went over things that we

[4:04:16] could change that when this

[4:04:19] industry as a whole came in and

[4:04:20] went gangbusters.

[4:04:24] We had so many everywhere.

[4:04:26] And you never want to see a

[4:04:27] business go out of business

[4:04:29] because a lot of people invested

[4:04:32] a lot in that.

[4:04:33] That's their choice.

[4:04:36] You also want to make sure that

[4:04:40] whatever you can do to make it

[4:04:41] work.

[4:04:46] What we were finding is -- apd

[4:04:49] is finding is sometimes there's

[4:04:50] a cluster.

[4:04:53] And it causes an issue.

[4:04:55] We came together and we came up

[4:04:58] with some changes.

[4:05:01] I want to thank the industry for

[4:05:04] working with us to come up with

[4:05:06] these, and the administration.

[4:05:08] We worked a lot on this.

[4:05:11] It's not perfect.

[4:05:15] But I think it's a good

[4:05:18] compromise.

[4:05:21] Can I ask our council staff to

[4:05:26] go over it?

[4:05:29] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor

[4:05:31] grout, thank you.

[4:05:33] The amendment -- I'm talking

[4:05:35] about the amendment.

[4:05:36] The amendment that's in front of

[4:05:40] you is changing some of the

[4:05:43] things that were introduced at

[4:05:44] the lupz.

[4:05:46] Starting off with changing the

[4:05:48] distance separation from

[4:05:49] existing cannabis retail.

[4:05:53] It changes that from 60 feet to

[4:05:53] 99

[4:05:55] 990 feet.

[4:05:58] The second amendment introduces

[4:06:01] a distance correction of 990

[4:06:06] feet from existing retails.

[4:06:09] The third amendment increases

[4:06:11] the buffer distance from 330

[4:06:16] feet to 990 schools and daycare

[4:06:16] centers.

[4:06:17] >>coun. Champine: we're

[4:06:18] discussing something that hasn't

[4:06:26] been seconded.

[4:06:28] >>coun. Grout: I'm sorry.

[4:06:30] I would like to move floor

[4:06:31] amendment one.

[4:06:34] >>coun. Pe}a: there's a motion,

[4:06:38] and a second by councilor

[4:06:38] bassan.

[4:06:39] >> I'll continue.

[4:06:42] I was on the third amendment.

[4:06:46] It talks about increasing buffer

[4:06:47] distance from schools and

[4:06:51] daycares from 60 feet to 990

[4:06:52] feet.

[4:06:55] The fourth in the line is to be

[4:06:58] consistent and reduces the

[4:07:02] buffer from existing nicotine

[4:07:06] retails from 1,000 to 9

[4:07:07] 90 feet.

[4:07:09] The fifth one is being

[4:07:12] consistent of introducing a

[4:07:15] buffer distance of 990 feet from

[4:07:19] existing cannabis retail.

[4:07:23] And the last one is introducing

[4:07:26] a -- increasing buffer distance

[4:07:30] from 330 feet to 990 feet.

[4:07:32] There's also an amendment to

[4:07:34] increase the distance from

[4:07:38] residential zone and lots

[4:07:41] containing the unis from 550 to

[4:07:42] 663 feet.

[4:07:45] And also changing the timing of

[4:07:49] existing businesses and

[4:07:51] prohibiting these from 11:00

[4:07:54] P.M. To 7:00 A.M.

[4:07:58] These are only for nicotine

[4:07:58] shops.

[4:08:04] It will not affect any small

[4:08:05] accessory users that are there

[4:08:07] in gas station or grocery

[4:08:08] stores.

[4:08:10] This will only affect nicotine

[4:08:12] shops and cannabis retail.

[4:08:18] I stand for any questions.

[4:08:21] >>coun. Grout: thank you.

[4:08:30] MAY I have -- councilor lewis.

[4:08:31] >>coun. Lewis: thank you, MADAM

[4:08:31] PRESIDENT.

[4:08:33] Just a question for the

[4:08:34] administration.

[4:08:36] It sounds like this is the

[4:08:37] administration's bill.

[4:08:42] I guess I would ask where did it

[4:08:44] orig

[4:08:45] originate?

[4:08:46] Did this come from the cannabis

[4:08:49] retail industry to the

[4:08:50] administration with

[4:08:52] recommendations?

[4:08:54] Or was this -- did this

[4:08:57] orageinate within the

[4:08:58] administration with consultation

[4:09:00] of the cannabis industry?

[4:09:04] Where did it begin?

[4:09:05] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor

[4:09:09] lewis, I'll invite deputy chief

[4:09:13] and deputy director aranda from

[4:09:14] planning up.

[4:09:16] They led in this work related to

[4:09:17] both the analysis of our data

[4:09:20] and the impacts we're seeing

[4:09:22] related to clustering as well as

[4:09:27] the discussions we've had with

[4:09:33] industry.

[4:09:35] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilors,

[4:09:37] I'm here to talk about the

[4:09:40] public safety and law

[4:09:41] enforcement perspective on what

[4:09:44] we're seeing realtime with

[4:09:45] nicotine retailers and cannabis

[4:09:46] shops.

[4:09:48] I guess the best way to start

[4:09:50] off -- actually, I'd like to

[4:09:52] applaud councilor rogers and

[4:09:56] echo the sentiment that she said

[4:09:58] earlier about the shoes that are

[4:10:01] thrown over power lines.

[4:10:04] The way I interpret that is in

[4:10:07] certain regions of our city when

[4:10:10] shoe

[4:10:12] shoes are thrown over

[4:10:13] powerlines, that is a call you

[4:10:15] can obtain illicit substances

[4:10:17] that these locations.

[4:10:19] I know she said that she's sick

[4:10:20] of the filth.

[4:10:23] I interpret that as she's sick

[4:10:26] of crime and the criminal

[4:10:27] element that is happening.

[4:10:29] I would present to you in my

[4:10:30] experience and obviously all of

[4:10:33] the different calls for service,

[4:10:35] enforcement, and data that I

[4:10:36] have personally seen and

[4:10:39] personally witnessed, when you

[4:10:41] have a geographical area in our

[4:10:43] city that has such a high

[4:10:46] concentration of volume of

[4:10:47] individuals -- I'm not here to

[4:10:49] tell you it's the nicotine

[4:10:52] retailers or cannabis shops that

[4:10:54] is the sole reason why these

[4:10:55] individuals are drawn to these

[4:10:55] areas.

[4:10:57] There's a whole bunch of other

[4:10:59] factors that draws them to this

[4:11:00] area.

[4:11:02] Of course, there's outliers too.

[4:11:04] There are different parts of

[4:11:06] town where there are nicotine

[4:11:07] retailers and cannabis shops

[4:11:10] where we don't see these issues.

[4:11:11] But in these concentrated areas

[4:11:14] where we have large populations

[4:11:16] of people congregating, like I

[4:11:19] said, for whatever the different

[4:11:21] variables that drew them to that

[4:11:25] area, I know that they

[4:11:26] congrauigate in front of

[4:11:27] nicotine retailers.

[4:11:29] To give you an example how it

[4:11:32] affects public safety, we have

[4:11:34] this concentration of people

[4:11:37] where they can pretty much buy

[4:11:40] all the articles they need to

[4:11:42] use controlled substances.

[4:11:45] Thus turning it into drug

[4:11:46] paraphernalia.

[4:11:48] It draws them in this area and

[4:11:49] keeps them in this area.

[4:11:52] We have drug traffickers that

[4:11:54] know if they need to offload a

[4:11:56] shipment of narcotics they can

[4:11:58] go to the area and there will

[4:11:59] always be individuals there

[4:12:03] willing to buy.

[4:12:05] When the drug traffickers are

[4:12:07] making drug deals and it turns

[4:12:09] bad, it turns to violent crime.

[4:12:12] We have aggravated assaults and

[4:12:13] robberies and homicides happen

[4:12:15] in front of nicotine retailers.

[4:12:17] In the event it does not turn

[4:12:20] into a violent crime, then we

[4:12:23] have situations where we have

[4:12:26] pretty open-air drug use.

[4:12:28] And another point that I bring

[4:12:29] to that is at that point if it's

[4:12:32] not law enforcement response,

[4:12:34] I'd like to talk about how that

[4:12:35] affects our department.

[4:12:37] And we're also pulling resources

[4:12:39] from community safety department

[4:12:41] and albuquerque fire rescue.

[4:12:46] I look at the amount of man

[4:12:46] hours.

[4:12:49] The time and officers it takes

[4:12:51] to where when these officers are

[4:12:53] driving by, they cannot turn

[4:12:56] blind eye to open-air drug use.

[4:12:58] They cannot turn a blind eye to

[4:12:59] altercations that are turning

[4:13:01] into aggravated assault.

[4:13:02] They have to address that.

[4:13:05] We call them on-site.

[4:13:07] Proactive enforcement on-site.

[4:13:09] I look at the volume of on-site,

[4:13:11] particularly nicotine retailers,

[4:13:13] in these concentrated

[4:13:17] geographical areas, it takes up

[4:13:21] a huge amount of resources.

[4:13:24] That's just for the police

[4:13:24] department.

[4:13:26] I can't speak for exact numbers

[4:13:28] for albuquerque fire rescue or

[4:13:30] community safety, but again,

[4:13:32] with the open-air drug use we

[4:13:34] know it affects them because

[4:13:36] they also do have to respond.

[4:13:38] From a public safety standpoint,

[4:13:39] obviously this is not going to

[4:13:44] be the full fix to completely

[4:13:47] eliminate crime and where we

[4:13:48] have perfect public safety.

[4:13:50] Any additional tools we can have

[4:13:53] in the toolbox, whether it's the

[4:13:54] distance between shops, whether

[4:13:57] it's the timing to where once

[4:14:00] that retailer is closed this

[4:14:01] crowd of people isn't going to

[4:14:03] be hanging out there and they

[4:14:06] may be under the influence and

[4:14:09] it turns into altercation that

[4:14:11] turns into violent assault or

[4:14:11] violent crime.

[4:14:13] This is another tool for us to

[4:14:14] combat that.

[4:14:16] Obviously, on the police

[4:14:19] department we are doing multiple

[4:14:21] operations whether it's in the

[4:14:23] nuisance front, covert

[4:14:25] operations, overt, high

[4:14:27] visibility patrol.

[4:14:29] It's everyday work for us we're

[4:14:30] willing to do.

[4:14:33] Again, and feel with this

[4:14:35] particular amendments that it

[4:14:37] would -- like I said, it would

[4:14:38] give us the additional tool in

[4:14:42] the toolbox to keep public

[4:14:45] safety.

[4:14:46] >>coun. Lewis: MADAM PRESIDENT,

[4:14:47] thank you, sir.

[4:14:48] You described a pretty big

[4:14:48] problem.

[4:14:50] I can imagine the resources and

[4:14:52] the challenges that the

[4:14:54] department faces and certainly

[4:14:56] afr faces as well in that

[4:14:56] regard.

[4:15:02] And as a community, we face.

[4:15:06] This bill says that the problem

[4:15:09] is these retailers.

[4:15:11] The bill identifies the problem

[4:15:16] as not the drug dealers, not the

[4:15:19] people that are throwing shoes

[4:15:22] over power lines, not the people

[4:15:24] that are congregating in

[4:15:25] different places.

[4:15:28] This is a bill that says the

[4:15:30] problem is a saturation of

[4:15:36] cannabis retail stores and smoke

[4:15:38] shops.

[4:15:40] I know you gave a pretty good

[4:15:41] description of all the

[4:15:42] challenges, but you understand

[4:15:44] that by supporting this bill and

[4:15:46] saying this council needs to

[4:15:48] support this bill, you're saying

[4:15:50] that the problem is the retail

[4:15:50] stores.

[4:15:53] is that the case?

[4:15:55] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor

[4:15:56] lewis, not entirely.

[4:15:58] I understand your position.

[4:15:59] It does make sense.

[4:16:03] I think in totality, it's not

[4:16:04] just the retailers.

[4:16:06] It's not just the drug

[4:16:07] traffickers.

[4:16:08] It's not the area where, like I

[4:16:10] said, there's several factors

[4:16:12] that cause these individuals to

[4:16:12] come there.

[4:16:14] But when they're staying there,

[4:16:16] we know where they're hanging

[4:16:16] out.

[4:16:18] I think in totality, it's

[4:16:21] actually a combination of all of

[4:16:22] the above.

[4:16:24] I think as we look at each

[4:16:28] causation factor, whether if it

[4:16:29] is the drug traffickers or

[4:16:32] retailers, by taking steps for

[4:16:35] each of these root causes,

[4:16:37] again, I think that will help us

[4:16:40] in achieving public safety and

[4:16:42] reducing the crime.

[4:16:43] >>coun. Lewis: MADAM PRESIDENT,

[4:16:45] sir, is it the nature of the

[4:16:46] businesses?

[4:16:47] We're not limiting the amount of

[4:16:50] parks we have in this city.

[4:16:52] Yet, there's people that

[4:16:54] congregate in parks and commit

[4:16:55] crimes.

[4:16:56] So, is it the nature of these

[4:17:01] types of businesses that are the

[4:17:02] problem?

[4:17:04] It's not -- for example, we

[4:17:14] haven't pinpointed snowcone

[4:17:14] restaurants.

[4:17:17] It's the nature of the business,

[4:17:17] correct?

[4:17:19] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor

[4:17:20] lewis, if I understand your

[4:17:23] question correctly, like I

[4:17:27] stated earlier, I would consider

[4:17:28] them outliers.

[4:17:31] But there are nicotine retailers

[4:17:32] in various parts of the city

[4:17:35] that don't generate the type of

[4:17:37] criminal element that we see.

[4:17:40] Again, just for those reasons,

[4:17:43] when we have -- especially in

[4:17:45] several of the districts along

[4:17:47] our central avenue corridor.

[4:17:48] When we just have that

[4:17:50] concentrated amount of people --

[4:17:54] just a high volume of people --

[4:17:57] these are the properties that we

[4:17:58] have crime.

[4:18:00] Violent crime and open-air drug

[4:18:02] usage which leads to a myriad of

[4:18:04] other issues.

[4:18:05] Again, I don't know if that

[4:18:08] answers your question, councilor

[4:18:08] lewis.

[4:18:09] >>coun. Lewis: I appreciate it,

[4:18:09] MADAM PRESIDENT.

[4:18:11] I appreciate it.

[4:18:12] I think you're doing your best

[4:18:13] to answer the question.

[4:18:15] The answer is clear.

[4:18:16] I think you guys identified the

[4:18:20] nature of certain businesses.

[4:18:22] I would -- I'm not disagreeing

[4:18:22] with you.

[4:18:23] I would argue some of the most

[4:18:25] crime that happens in my

[4:18:32] district is around several bars.

[4:18:34] The most calls happen in that

[4:18:37] few blocks around those areas.

[4:18:39] There's a part of me that wants

[4:18:41] to protect businesses and

[4:18:44] people's ability to do in this

[4:18:47] city that they're given a right

[4:18:49] to do under state law to protect

[4:18:51] people from being picked on.

[4:18:53] In the same way I would five

[4:18:54] metal businesses that have

[4:18:57] legitimate businesses that are

[4:18:59] retailers for certain

[4:19:00] commodities and metals.

[4:19:05] I do find it interesting also

[4:19:07] that we're saying the smoke

[4:19:10] shops a lot, yet this is a bill

[4:19:13] that limits the cannabis retail

[4:19:14] stores.

[4:19:18] And my guess is that the

[4:19:24] cannabis lobby is for this bill.

[4:19:26] it sounds like it because

[4:19:28] they're saturated and they know

[4:19:30] they're saturated and it's

[4:19:33] hurting their profits and

[4:19:34] businesses.

[4:19:36] So this is a way to do that.

[4:19:38] When you come from a moral

[4:19:40] standpoint, I'm falling on both

[4:19:40] sides of this.

[4:19:44] This is a bill -- I think it's

[4:19:44] misrepresented.

[4:19:47] I think even some in the public

[4:19:49] here tonight feel like this is a

[4:19:53] bill restricting the cannabis

[4:19:54] industry, when in reality I

[4:19:56] think they're behind it.

[4:19:58] And they see this as an

[4:20:00] advantage for this industry to

[4:20:00] be stronger.

[4:20:03] The ones that have the licenses

[4:20:05] and have that ability, they're

[4:20:06] going to get stronger when they

[4:20:08] eliminate more and more

[4:20:10] saturation and other competition

[4:20:11] around them.

[4:20:15] I do think we should be cloor --

[4:20:16] clear what this bill says the

[4:20:16] problem is.

[4:20:21] The bill says the problem is

[4:20:23] cannabis and smoke shops that

[4:20:27] are the problem for crime in our

[4:20:28] city.

[4:20:32] Again, I think I'm going to be

[4:20:35] consistent with misguided bills

[4:20:37] like this that actually go

[4:20:38] after -- they identify the

[4:20:40] problem as the retail stores.

[4:20:43] Dwlng -- I think the problem is

[4:20:44] the drug dealers and the crime

[4:20:45] that happens and the behaviors

[4:20:47] of the people that happen.

[4:20:48] Not only around these shops but

[4:20:50] bars and every other place

[4:20:51] around our city.

[4:20:55] Thank you, MADAM PRESIDENT.

[4:20:56] >>coun. Pe}a: councilor baca.

[4:20:57] >>coun. Baca: thank you, MADAM

[4:20:57] PRESIDENT.

[4:20:59] Just three quick things.

[4:21:01] One, I got some sneakers hanging

[4:21:03] from the power lines at 8th and

[4:21:06] central if we can do something

[4:21:08] about that.

[4:21:10] Two, am I reading this

[4:21:10] correctly?

[4:21:13] The hour restrictions are only

[4:21:17] for the nicotine and not the

[4:21:17] cannabis?

[4:21:20] That's the way I read it.

[4:21:28] Or are they both being limited?

[4:21:30] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor

[4:21:31] baca, in the amendment we're

[4:21:35] talking about nicotine retail.

[4:21:37] But it does summarize that the

[4:21:41] cannabis retail is prohibited

[4:21:44] between 11:00 P.M. To 7:00 P.M.

[4:21:45] >>coun. Baca: okay.

[4:21:47] My first thing was to make an

[4:21:49] amendment to put cannabis as the

[4:21:51] same hours as nicotine.

[4:21:53] Separate from this bill, I had

[4:21:54] cannabis retailers to reach out

[4:21:56] to ask me to do something like

[4:21:56] that.

[4:21:59] There's a whole story behind

[4:22:00] that.

[4:22:01] This will put cannabis on the

[4:22:04] same footing as nicotine, hours

[4:22:04] wise?

[4:22:05] >> yes.

[4:22:07] >>coun. Baca: okay.

[4:22:08] Thank you.

[4:22:08] >>coun. Pe}a: vice PRESIDENT

[4:22:09] Champine.

[4:22:10] >>coun. Champine: thank you,

[4:22:10] MADAM PRESIDENT.

[4:22:16] Just a couple of quick things.

[4:22:22] Dc, don't get me wrong.

[4:22:26] Your explanation of what's going

[4:22:28] on, I interpret it as shooting

[4:22:29] fish in a barrel.

[4:22:31] If you know where they are, and

[4:22:35] you know they congregate in

[4:22:39] these places on central, why

[4:22:43] aren't prt teams hitting them

[4:22:43] up?

[4:22:47] I see you have a plan, you hit

[4:22:48] these areas up.

[4:22:49] You don't sit there.

[4:22:50] I'm not pinpointing you.

[4:22:53] yipe pinpointing the fact, if

[4:22:56] you know where the crime is, hit

[4:22:57] it up.

[4:22:59] We shouldn't change a whole city

[4:23:01] ordinance based on the fact of

[4:23:01] that corridor.

[4:23:14] I disagree

[4:23:16] you should be, in your

[4:23:18] explanation or definition, you

[4:23:20] already know what the problem

[4:23:21] is.

[4:23:24] There are laws.

[4:23:34] Conduct -- conduct -- the plume

[4:23:38] of it is I'm torn.

[4:23:41] I do agree to the high schoolers

[4:23:42] that are here.

[4:23:44] I agree that the buffer zone for

[4:23:48] schools from 300 to 30 feet,

[4:23:50] that's a city block.

[4:23:52] I don't think a city block is

[4:23:52] enough.

[4:23:55] It presents a question, do you

[4:23:56] do it three city blocks or four

[4:23:58] city blocks?

[4:24:00] Now we're pinpointing small

[4:24:01] businesses in town.

[4:24:05] I know there's a cvs next to

[4:24:06] eldorado.

[4:24:07] They sell cigarettes.

[4:24:10] Are we going to go after big box

[4:24:11] stores in that sense to say you

[4:24:13] can't sell cigarettes so close

[4:24:14] to a school?

[4:24:17] I'm torn between the fact that

[4:24:20] we should be, I think, expanding

[4:24:26] the buffer zone around schools,

[4:24:28] daycare, churches.

[4:24:31] But I have a real big problem

[4:24:32] with trying to say that the

[4:24:35] store is the issue.

[4:24:42] That if we expand the -- like

[4:24:42] councilor lewis said, the

[4:24:44] problem is criminals.

[4:24:46] The problem isn't the stores.

[4:24:48] The problem is the enforcement

[4:24:51] of the criminals going on.

[4:24:53] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor

[4:24:56] champine, would I be able to

[4:24:58] provide commentary?

[4:24:59] >>coun. Champine: please.

[4:25:00] >> I completely understand what

[4:25:02] you're saying.

[4:25:04] I would point out that I did

[4:25:07] personally look at data from

[4:25:09] some big box stores and also

[4:25:10] liquor stores.

[4:25:12] There are big box stores that

[4:25:15] have a high higher call volume

[4:25:18] than nicotine retailers.

[4:25:19] I look at the breakdown for what

[4:25:21] the calls for service are.

[4:25:23] Lot of them are shoplifting.

[4:25:27] Lot are disturbances.

[4:25:29] Versus, even though there's such

[4:25:31] a high call volume, the rate of

[4:25:33] violent crimes happening or

[4:25:34] on-sites that take us out of

[4:25:36] service to where we can't

[4:25:39] respond to 911 calls because

[4:25:43] we're doing that work, you

[4:25:46] compare that to nicotine

[4:25:48] retailers, even though retailers

[4:25:51] MAY not have the same exact high

[4:25:53] call volume, there's a

[4:25:54] difference in the type of calls.

[4:25:57] It's clear, clear as day, the

[4:25:59] calls more at had nicotine

[4:26:01] resellers in the areas I

[4:26:02] described are violent crimes

[4:26:05] that's happening.

[4:26:06] Something I would also talk to

[4:26:10] you about is prt -- I know you

[4:26:11] experienced to back it up.

[4:26:14] We're there every day.

[4:26:17] We're seizing guns every day.

[4:26:20] We're making felonious arrests

[4:26:21] every day.

[4:26:23] The way it's going now, that's

[4:26:26] pretty much going to be every

[4:26:27] day.

[4:26:29] Again, I don't believe that this

[4:26:31] is going to be the solve-all

[4:26:32] tool.

[4:26:33] This is just the additional tool

[4:26:36] to help get us there for

[4:26:40] long-term sustainable solution.

[4:26:41] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: point of

[4:26:43] order, are we still on the

[4:26:44] amendment?

[4:26:45] >>coun. Pe}a: yes.

[4:26:45] >>coun. Champine: MADAM

[4:26:47] PRESIDENT, I need to make a

[4:26:48] motion, while I have the floor,

[4:26:51] to suspend the rules.

[4:26:54] To tengsd

[4:26:57] extend the meeting until

[4:26:58] midnight.

[4:26:59] >>coun. Pe}a: second.

[4:27:00] [Roll call].

[4:27:03] >>coun. Baca: no.

[4:27:05] >>coun. Bassan: yes.

[4:27:07] >>coun. Champine: yes.

[4:27:09] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: yes.

[4:27:11] >>coun. Grout: yes.

[4:27:14] >>coun. Lewis: yes.

[4:27:16] >>coun. Rogers: no.

[4:27:18] >>coun. Telles: yes.

[4:27:19] >>coun. Pe}a: yes.

[4:27:22] >> passes on a 7-2 vote.

[4:27:23] >>coun. Champine: back to my

[4:27:23] point.

[4:27:25] Thank you for that.

[4:27:29] I see what you're saying.

[4:27:31] How do we -- anything that can

[4:27:33] help us solve this or help in

[4:27:37] solving crime is a benefit.

[4:27:39] I don't think this is the right

[4:27:40] direction.

[4:27:41] I think there's another way of

[4:27:41] doing it.

[4:27:44] I think we should explore that,

[4:27:46] then go after

[4:27:51] I think we should explore that

[4:27:52] rather than go after small

[4:27:53] businesses.

[4:27:54] >>coun. Rogers: I'm going to ask

[4:27:55] my questions before we get to

[4:27:58] the discussion on the bill.

[4:27:59] In the explanation of the

[4:28:03] amendment it says it adds

[4:28:04] restriction for nicotine and

[4:28:06] other primary locations.

[4:28:08] It doesn't mention cannabis in

[4:28:09] the explanation.

[4:28:10] I know I heard councilor grout

[4:28:11] say that -- what is the

[4:28:13] restriction for cannabis for

[4:28:13] hours?

[4:28:14] They have to close by what time

[4:28:19] now?

[4:28:20] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor

[4:28:23] rogers, they have to close by

[4:28:25] 11:00 P.M.

[4:28:27] >>coun. Rogers: thank you.

[4:28:29] Is that in a different ordinance

[4:28:32] or we're adding it in this

[4:28:32] amendment?

[4:28:34] The explanation threw me off.

[4:28:37] It says it adds it for nicotine

[4:28:39] retailers and other retail

[4:28:40] locations.

[4:28:42] I just want to make sure -- I'm

[4:28:42] tired.

[4:28:43] That's why I vote no.

[4:28:44] My brain shuts off.

[4:28:47] I just want to make sure.

[4:28:50] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor

[4:28:53] rogers, it's separately in the

[4:28:55] rules that govern the cannabis

[4:28:56] retail businesses.

[4:29:00] It is not part ido, but the only

[4:29:02] language part of the ido is

[4:29:03] nicotine retail.

[4:29:04] >>coun. Rogers: that's not in

[4:29:07] our ido, but part of the state

[4:29:12] law they have to close by 11:00

[4:29:17] P.M.?

[4:29:19] P.M.?

[4:29:22] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, it's a set

[4:29:24] of rules promulgated by the

[4:29:26] planning department in 2022

[4:29:33] after the state law was enacted.

[4:29:34] >>coun. Rogers: thank you.

[4:29:38] >>coun. Pe}a: we are back on the

[4:29:38] amendment.

[4:29:40] Committee amendment number one.

[4:29:44] Councilor grout to close.

[4:29:47] >>coun. Grout: thank you for the

[4:29:47] discussion.

[4:29:52] I know this is a tough one.

[4:29:57] Apd, afr, acs, public safety

[4:29:58] department, they asked for these

[4:29:59] things.

[4:30:00] Again we worked with the

[4:30:01] industry.

[4:30:03] And we came up with these to

[4:30:04] compromise for all of these.

[4:30:08] We want to make sure that they

[4:30:10] are the same distances and so

[4:30:10] forth.

[4:30:12] and they are under a thousand

[4:30:12] feet.

[4:30:15] I urge your support.

[4:30:20] [Roll call].

[4:30:23] >>coun. Baca: yes.

[4:30:25] >>coun. Bassan: yes.

[4:30:28] >>coun. Champine: no.

[4:30:31] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: no.

[4:30:33] >>coun. Grout: yes.

[4:30:35] >>coun. Lewis: no.

[4:30:38] >>coun. Rogers: yes.

[4:30:40] >>coun. Telles: no.

[4:30:41] >>coun. Pe}a: no.

[4:30:47] >> fails on a 4-5 vote.

[4:30:48] >>coun. Pe}a: we're back on the

[4:30:49] bill.

[4:30:51] It was not amended.

[4:30:52] Is that the last amendment,

[4:30:53] councilor grout?

[4:30:54] Yes, it is.

[4:30:57] We're back on the bill.

[4:31:00] Do we have any questions from

[4:31:00] councilors?

[4:31:01] Councilor fiebelkorn.

[4:31:03] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: thank you,

[4:31:04] MADAM PRESIDENT.

[4:31:05] Unfortunately, I asked a lot of

[4:31:07] these questions at the

[4:31:09] hearing -- the committee hearing

[4:31:11] where this bill was killed.

[4:31:14] And didn't get any answers.

[4:31:15] I'm going to have to ask them

[4:31:16] all again here.

[4:31:17] This could have been solved.

[4:31:19] I was promised a lot of data at

[4:31:20] that committee meeting.

[4:31:23] Not a single thing in the seven

[4:31:25] and a half weeks since I was

[4:31:26] promised this information have I

[4:31:28] received any information.

[4:31:32] So, we're going to start from

[4:31:32] scratch.

[4:31:36] I am curious why -- I totally

[4:31:38] understand the distance

[4:31:41] separation for church s

[4:31:42] es and

[4:31:44] things like that.

[4:31:45] What this bill does that is

[4:31:47] completely new to our entire

[4:31:49] system of regulations for the

[4:31:51] city of albuquerque is it says

[4:31:54] one kind of business can't be

[4:31:57] near a completely unrelated

[4:32:01] different kind of business.

[4:32:02] Just to say that again.

[4:32:05] It is saying one business cannot

[4:32:08] be near a completely different

[4:32:10] type of business.

[4:32:13] It's like saying, you can't have

[4:32:16] a gym near a fastfood joint.

[4:32:18] I wouldn't propose that, even

[4:32:19] though it would be helpful to

[4:32:20] me.

[4:32:23] Because what I think -- what my

[4:32:24] morals are don't matter.

[4:32:26] And when I ask these questions

[4:32:27] at the last committee meeting,

[4:32:29] why this was coming forward, the

[4:32:30] answer we heard loud and strong

[4:32:31] from the administration is

[4:32:33] because we said so.

[4:32:36] And that is not a legitimate

[4:32:40] reason to regulate anybody in

[4:32:41] our city.

[4:32:43] I'm going to ask again.

[4:32:47] Why have we chosen these two

[4:32:48] types of business to require

[4:32:50] that they can't be near each

[4:32:56] other, which really means that a

[4:32:58] cigar shop, which I've never

[4:33:00] heard problems with a cigar

[4:33:02] shop, can't be located near a

[4:33:05] cannabis shop.

[4:33:06] Different clientele.

[4:33:10] I can tell you, I go to cannabis

[4:33:11] shops.

[4:33:14] My parent goes to cigar shops.

[4:33:16] They're not the same people.

[4:33:18] Rather than choosing bars or

[4:33:22] liquor sales, why have we chosen

[4:33:25] cannabis retail and tobacco

[4:33:29] retail?

[4:33:33] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor

[4:33:35] fiebelkorn,

[4:33:36] --

[4:33:42] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: my name is

[4:33:42] fiebelkorn.

[4:33:44] >> what we have looked at is

[4:33:45] concentration for calls of

[4:33:45] services.

[4:33:47] when we look at concentration of

[4:33:50] types of businesses that are in

[4:33:52] close proximity, the discussion

[4:33:56] we had is not necessarily

[4:33:57] causation but correlation.

[4:33:59] The mapping of the crime and cad

[4:34:02] data we looked at indicates that

[4:34:04] when you have two types of

[4:34:07] businesses that are already

[4:34:07] regulated

[4:34:08] regulated.

[4:34:10] Nicotine is regulated through

[4:34:12] ido and cannabis through rule 19

[4:34:13] in state law.

[4:34:18] We can see the correlation of

[4:34:20] that in density in locations.

[4:34:22] This is not targeting in a way

[4:34:25] that is intended based upon the

[4:34:29] individual folks that are using

[4:34:31] these businesses for lawful use

[4:34:33] and the types of activities that

[4:34:35] you're describing.

[4:34:37] What we're talking about is the

[4:34:40] type of activities we know are

[4:34:42] occurring in this business.

[4:34:44] The paraphernalia and other

[4:34:45] items utilized for other types

[4:34:48] of use that are not the original

[4:34:49] intended use of these

[4:34:50] businesses.

[4:34:51] This is not related to

[4:34:54] businesses that are not nicotine

[4:34:57] primary businesses as well.

[4:35:00] To the question around cvs and

[4:35:01] others.

[4:35:02] There are specific rules that

[4:35:04] put a husband into that kaality

[4:35:12] .

[4:35:13] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: I am aware

[4:35:14] this does not affect large

[4:35:14] businesses.

[4:35:16] We would never pass an ordinance

[4:35:19] in our city that would say, hey,

[4:35:25] cvs, walgreen's, chevron,

[4:35:28] smith's, you can't sell tubalk

[4:35:28] obacco

[4:35:29] tobacco.

[4:35:30] We wouldn't do that because

[4:35:31] they're big business and you

[4:35:33] wouldn't want to hurt them.

[4:35:37] but we don't have a problem

[4:35:39] passing something like this that

[4:35:40] is going to hurt almost

[4:35:43] exclusively small, locally owned

[4:35:43] businesses.

[4:35:46] I can tell you and I can pick in

[4:35:49] erica because she's here.

[4:35:51] I'm telling you nothing bad is

[4:35:53] happening in that shop.

[4:35:56] There's no crimes happening.

[4:35:57] It was a lovely day.

[4:36:03] Thank you for the tour.

[4:36:06] We're punishing erica as a small

[4:36:10] business owner because we think

[4:36:11] there's correlation, and

[4:36:13] correlation is not causation.

[4:36:18] I appreciate if we stop saying

[4:36:21] correlation is causation.

[4:36:23] We should all take a statistics

[4:36:24] class.

[4:36:26] I haven't heard data.

[4:36:31] I heard you had data but haven't

[4:36:33] seen it.

[4:36:36] I asked for it seven weeks ago.

[4:36:38] I have not seen it in seven

[4:36:39] weeks.

[4:36:41] I have not seen a problem with

[4:36:45] data being linked with cannabis

[4:36:46] stores near a cigar store.

[4:36:49] That is unfortunate.

[4:36:52] I also asked seven and a half

[4:36:54] weeks ago about the use of

[4:36:55] nuisance ordinance.

[4:36:58] We have an ordinance in place

[4:37:01] that deals with problem

[4:37:02] properties.

[4:37:05] What I heard commander talking

[4:37:09] about is there are a few places

[4:37:12] where there are congregations of

[4:37:12] people.

[4:37:14] I didn't hear proof that it was

[4:37:15] one of these stores.

[4:37:16] But there are congregations of

[4:37:20] people that are causing

[4:37:21] problems.

[4:37:22] And I believe that is the reason

[4:37:25] we have a nuisance ordinance.

[4:37:27] A nuisance property ordinance.

[4:37:30] I asked for details seven and a

[4:37:32] half weeks ago on how many times

[4:37:35] has that nuisance ordinance been

[4:37:38] used to go after a problem

[4:37:43] cannabis store or cigar store or

[4:37:44] tobacco store.

[4:37:45] Again, haven't received

[4:37:45] anything.

[4:37:47] I have to assume that data does

[4:37:49] not exist because why else would

[4:37:51] you not share for seven and a

[4:37:53] half weeks?

[4:37:55] I do have one question for the

[4:37:57] council sponsor.

[4:37:58] You mentioned you worked with

[4:37:58] industry.

[4:38:00] Can you tell us who you worked

[4:38:00] with?

[4:38:03] I've gotten lots of letters,

[4:38:05] including the cannabis

[4:38:06] association of new mexico that

[4:38:08] said they were not worked with.

[4:38:10] I'm curious if you can give us a

[4:38:13] list of who was at those

[4:38:13] meetings?

[4:38:16] >>coun. Grout: MR. Jeff apodaca

[4:38:17] was there.

[4:38:22] I worked with him.

[4:38:25] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: I appreciate

[4:38:25] that.

[4:38:27] We did all receive a letter from

[4:38:29] the cannabis association of new

[4:38:29] mexico.

[4:38:31] Which is the actual industry

[4:38:35] that is representing cannabis

[4:38:36] retail.

[4:38:39] And they are adamantly opposed

[4:38:42] to this proposal.

[4:38:44] I don't know that we have a

[4:38:45] tobacco association.

[4:38:47] I did look around for one.

[4:38:48] I couldn't find one.

[4:38:51] I can pretty much guarantee they

[4:38:53] would also be in opposition to

[4:38:55] this because it seems like we

[4:38:58] have chosen these two industries

[4:39:00] to be the evil devil that is

[4:39:01] causing all of our problems in

[4:39:02] our city.

[4:39:03] I just do not believe that is

[4:39:04] the case.

[4:39:07] Given, seven and a half weeks

[4:39:09] and apd, planning department,

[4:39:10] the administration, they've had

[4:39:12] lots of time to call all the

[4:39:13] councilors and lobby pretty hard

[4:39:15] on this bill.

[4:39:17] But they haven't had time to

[4:39:20] gather data and share with us.

[4:39:22] I think that is very

[4:39:23] unfortunate.

[4:39:25] I wanted to talk a little bit

[4:39:27] about the paraphernalia that I

[4:39:31] guess you can buy from cannabis

[4:39:31] stores.

[4:39:32] Or perhaps cigar store.

[4:39:36] I don't know if there's anything

[4:39:38] for sale in a cigar store.

[4:39:40] I believe there's also things in

[4:39:42] smith's that could be used for

[4:39:44] paraphernal

[4:39:45] paraphernalia.

[4:39:46] Again, we're not going after

[4:39:48] large businesses.

[4:39:52] We're only targeting small,

[4:39:54] locally owned businesses because

[4:39:56] someone in the administration

[4:39:57] decided these types of

[4:39:59] businesses aren't good.

[4:40:00] Now, there are businesses out

[4:40:04] there that have a real problem.

[4:40:06] I believe and commander, if you

[4:40:08] have different data, everything

[4:40:12] I ever read and asked about, the

[4:40:15] number one cause of problems

[4:40:18] with violence, with theft, with

[4:40:21] robbery, with drunk driving, are

[4:40:25] all from bars, and retail

[4:40:26] alcohol sales.

[4:40:29] I noticed that none of that is

[4:40:30] included in this bill.

[4:40:34] We have not decided they're bad.

[4:40:34] Someone in the administration

[4:40:36] doesn't like the way smoke shops

[4:40:38] look and the way cannabis stores

[4:40:38] look.

[4:40:41] I think that is really a

[4:40:42] dangerous sliply slope when

[4:40:46] you're looking at how to

[4:40:47] regulate our city.

[4:40:51] Our regulatory structure is

[4:40:52] supposed to help the citizens of

[4:40:54] albuquerque and we're supposed

[4:40:55] to help small businesses.

[4:40:57] Rather than doing that, we're

[4:41:00] looking for a bogeyman and we're

[4:41:01] saying your cannabis staff is

[4:41:04] that bogeyman.

[4:41:06] Again, we have zero other

[4:41:08] examples anywhere in our

[4:41:11] regulatory structure in the

[4:41:13] city -- anywhere, that says one

[4:41:16] business type can't be next to

[4:41:18] another business type.

[4:41:20] Of course we have school

[4:41:22] separations and things like

[4:41:24] that, but this bill is a

[4:41:25] solution to a problem that is

[4:41:27] made up by the administration

[4:41:28] because they don't like cannabis

[4:41:31] stores and they don't like smoke

[4:41:31] shops.

[4:41:33] I'm here to say I like cannabis

[4:41:34] stores.

[4:41:36] I like smoke shops.

[4:41:37] I don't like cigar stores, but

[4:41:38] I'm certainly not going to try

[4:41:40] to use my power to make sure

[4:41:44] that they go away.

[4:41:46] Thank you.

[4:41:46] >>coun. Pe}a: councilor rogers.

[4:41:48] >>coun. Rogers: thank you, MADAM

[4:41:49] PRESIDENT.

[4:41:50] I think as the council district

[4:41:53] that you can look at the data

[4:41:55] has the highest concentration of

[4:41:58] smoke-vape shops and cannabis

[4:42:00] shops, for my district she is

[4:42:01] absolutely something we need to

[4:42:02] figure out.

[4:42:04] I don't know that this gets to

[4:42:04] that.

[4:42:06] In my district, I've asked for

[4:42:09] help from our law enforcement

[4:42:10] partners, specifically on some

[4:42:12] of the ones we know are hot

[4:42:12] spots.

[4:42:14] I'm a person that wants to get

[4:42:16] to the root cause of the issue.

[4:42:18] I don't think it's the business

[4:42:18] type.

[4:42:21] For my district, I took myself

[4:42:22] into some of these smoke shops

[4:42:25] and literally walked around,

[4:42:28] looked for myself what was going

[4:42:28] on.

[4:42:30] What I found is in the ones that

[4:42:32] are hot spots in our district,

[4:42:35] they're allowing folks to use

[4:42:38] ebt to purchase smoke products

[4:42:39] and paraphernalia.

[4:42:44] I witnessed it with my own eyes.

[4:42:45] I was able to get help.

[4:42:49] I want to shout out ben baker

[4:42:51] from the governor's office who

[4:42:53] worked with me for human

[4:42:55] services to do a sting

[4:42:55] operation.

[4:42:57] In those smoke shops, two out of

[4:42:59] the three in my district were

[4:43:02] absolutely found using --

[4:43:09] letting people illegally use

[4:43:09] ebt.

[4:43:12] They have since gotten their ebt

[4:43:13] privileges revoked.

[4:43:19] You have seen a major difference

[4:43:22] difference -- deputy chief,

[4:43:25] we've seen a huge difference and

[4:43:28] a decrease in the activity in

[4:43:30] front of these smoke shops

[4:43:31] because people can no longer

[4:43:33] commit ebt fraud.

[4:43:36] And that's why these businesses

[4:43:37] were hot spots and continue to

[4:43:38] be hot spots.

[4:43:40] I would like us to keep working

[4:43:43] on the root causes of the issue.

[4:43:45] And getting those particular

[4:43:50] business owners that are doing

[4:43:52] those things held accountable

[4:43:56] and not all cannabis and all

[4:43:57] nicotine shops.

[4:43:59] Because that is what is really

[4:44:00] going to help us.

[4:44:03] Trust me, I would love to see

[4:44:07] some of these places close at

[4:44:08] 11:00 o'clock.

[4:44:10] I'm with law enforcement on

[4:44:10] that.

[4:44:11] I would love to see that.

[4:44:13] But to councilor fiebelkorn's

[4:44:15] point, if we're not going to do

[4:44:18] that across the board for all

[4:44:20] businesses that sell nick

[4:44:21] otine

[4:44:24] and alcohol and cannabis, just

[4:44:29] like withdrew my amendment for

[4:44:30] the other one, I don't think

[4:44:33] this is not the right way to do

[4:44:33] it.

[4:44:35] For me and my district, it's

[4:44:37] about getting to the root cause

[4:44:38] of the issue.

[4:44:40] And working with our partners at

[4:44:42] the state to shut those things

[4:44:44] down.

[4:44:45] This doesn't get to that root

[4:44:46] cause.

[4:44:47] I do want them separated and all

[4:44:48] the things.

[4:44:50] But I think we should do it

[4:44:52] across the board and treat all

[4:44:54] the businesses same rather than

[4:44:57] just one or the other.

[4:45:00] Thank you.

[4:45:02] >>coun. Baca: thank you, MADAM

[4:45:02] PRESIDENT.

[4:45:05] We're not hitting the root cause

[4:45:06] oftentimes.

[4:45:09] I wish I could get rid of all

[4:45:09] guns.

[4:45:11] If we get rid of guns, we'll

[4:45:12] stop gun violence.

[4:45:13] Not going to happen.

[4:45:15] We have to regulate it other

[4:45:15] ways.

[4:45:22] Just like everything else, it's

[4:45:32] a zoning question.

[4:45:33] Councilor lewis, I totally

[4:45:34] respect his position.

[4:45:37] He also doesn't have metal

[4:45:38] recyclers down the road and

[4:45:40] doesn't have cannabis down the

[4:45:40] road.

[4:45:41] He doesn't get all the calls

[4:45:43] that district two gets regularly

[4:45:44] about this.

[4:45:47] Just like everything else, good

[4:45:48] actors will be grandfathered in.

[4:45:50] They be fine if they're good

[4:45:50] players.

[4:45:51] They're still going to be here

[4:45:53] five or ten years from now.

[4:45:54] This is just working toward the

[4:45:55] future and working toward fixing

[4:45:57] a problem that does exist.

[4:46:01] We know it exists.

[4:46:03] This isn't the perfect solution

[4:46:04] by any means.

[4:46:07] Where was reached out to by

[4:46:09] cannabis industry, asking for

[4:46:10] hours to be curtailed because

[4:46:13] they couldn't do it themselves.

[4:46:15] To me, that's surprising, but

[4:46:15] that's real.

[4:46:18] For those of us who live in

[4:46:19] districts that have to deal with

[4:46:20] all these problems regularly,

[4:46:24] it's a step in the right

[4:46:25] direction.

[4:46:25] Thank you.

[4:46:26] >>coun. Pe}a: councilor telles.

[4:46:28] >>coun. Telles: thank you, MADAM

[4:46:28] PRESIDENT.

[4:46:30] DR. Sengel, I just have a couple

[4:46:33] follow-up questions regarding

[4:46:38] our concentration for calls of

[4:46:39] service.

[4:46:41] When you were reviewing the

[4:46:43] calls of service data, was it

[4:46:46] equally reliable across the

[4:46:47] neighborhoods or did some areas

[4:46:50] get more patrol presence and

[4:46:52] thus generate more calls

[4:46:53] independent of actual

[4:46:56] conditions?

[4:46:58] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, I want to

[4:47:00] actually defer to either our

[4:47:03] executive director of public

[4:47:05] safety or deputy chief so they

[4:47:09] can technically answer that

[4:47:16] question.

[4:47:18] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor

[4:47:19] telles, can you rephrase the

[4:47:20] question for me?

[4:47:21] >> yeah.

[4:47:23] I just want to know if you're

[4:47:25] referring to concentration of

[4:47:28] calls for service, how are you

[4:47:33] making sure that it is equally

[4:47:35] reliable across neighborhoods?

[4:47:36] Per capita.

[4:47:38] do some areas get some more

[4:47:40] patrol presence and because of

[4:47:44] that generate more calls

[4:47:47] independent of the actual

[4:47:49] business use and matters

[4:47:50] happening in the area?

[4:47:52] >> when we're looking at the

[4:47:55] overall data, we're looking at

[4:47:58] specific to what those calls for

[4:47:58] service were.

[4:48:00] Some of these cases, they could

[4:48:01] have been the actual business

[4:48:03] themselves looking at it as a

[4:48:04] victim.

[4:48:05] We have to look through all

[4:48:08] those calls and decipher what it

[4:48:09] is that they're requesting and

[4:48:11] what kind of services they're

[4:48:12] asking from apd.

[4:48:14] When we looked at all that data

[4:48:16] collect frbly is when we started

[4:48:20] to see what's been rev

[4:48:21] ferenced as

[4:48:22] hot spots.

[4:48:24] Looking at it, and it goes back

[4:48:26] to something that councilor

[4:48:28] champine said, you kind of know

[4:48:30] what are the areas that are

[4:48:31] causing the situation.

[4:48:32] You have different resources and

[4:48:33] tools.

[4:48:34] I think when we're looking at

[4:48:35] these calls for services

[4:48:37] specific to these areas we

[4:48:38] already any there's issues and

[4:48:39] concerns.

[4:48:41] It's not a mystery to any of us

[4:48:42] that we're responding to an area

[4:48:43] that needs to be addressed.

[4:48:45] We're looking at those specific

[4:48:47] calls across the city, not just

[4:48:48] in the specific area, but there

[4:48:50] are certain areas impacted more.

[4:48:52] More so when we're talking about

[4:48:53] specific districts.

[4:48:54] When we're looking at calls for

[4:48:56] service, we're looking also for

[4:48:58] correlation between the type of

[4:48:59] activity that is happening, and

[4:49:01] where it is that we're

[4:49:01] responding to.

[4:49:05] And we're correlating those

[4:49:05] things.

[4:49:07] We're not saying there's a

[4:49:09] causation, there's just emphasis

[4:49:11] into the types of calls we're

[4:49:13] responding into the specific

[4:49:14] areas.

[4:49:15] >>coun. Telles: thank you, MADAM

[4:49:18] PRESIDENT and director.

[4:49:25] How, then, did you address the

[4:49:26] measurement bias of those

[4:49:30] independent conditions?

[4:49:32] What were the distributional

[4:49:33] effects there?

[4:49:35] Who lived in the zones that were

[4:49:36] being restricted?

[4:49:38] Who benefits from that type of

[4:49:38] restriction?

[4:49:40] I'm just trying to figure out

[4:49:42] when you reviewed your data, did

[4:49:47] you account for any potential

[4:49:48] dis

[4:49:49] disproportional impacts on low

[4:49:52] income residents, renters,

[4:49:56] demographic groups when you were

[4:49:58] excluding or including certain

[4:49:59] populations?

[4:50:01] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor

[4:50:02] telles, no.

[4:50:03] We're really responding to what

[4:50:07] the activity is of those calls.

[4:50:09] That would be across the board.

[4:50:11] We didn't respond to any call or

[4:50:14] community regardless of who it

[4:50:17] is putting the sols

[4:50:18] calls.

[4:50:20] It's the same manner regardless

[4:50:26] of the call set out.

[4:50:27] >>coun. Telles: that's very

[4:50:28] helpful.

[4:50:29] The data wasn't full a measured.

[4:50:32] If the goal is public safety,

[4:50:35] why is zoning -- why is

[4:50:37] restriction the chosen lever

[4:50:41] here rather than public safety

[4:50:41] tools?

[4:50:43] Like more patrol allocation,

[4:50:46] more lighting, more code

[4:50:47] enforcement, more essential

[4:50:48] services.

[4:50:49] I know you have a proactive

[4:50:50] response team.

[4:50:53] Are they being called out to

[4:50:55] these response teams?

[4:50:56] I'm in close conversations with

[4:50:58] the officers in the southwest

[4:51:00] area command and northwest area

[4:51:01] command because my district

[4:51:03] doesn't have an area command.

[4:51:07] We do have a cute little place

[4:51:10] where you can -- if you need to

[4:51:12] report something you can go to

[4:51:14] our office off of ouray.

[4:51:16] I digress.

[4:51:18] What I'm trying to say is I know

[4:51:21] that unlike the northwest area

[4:51:24] command, I have six officers in

[4:51:26] that area that between MAY 1st

[4:51:35] and JULY 31st had 950 calls.

[4:51:37] To councilor champine's point of

[4:51:39] having a point to do this, you

[4:51:42] have a response team, but I'm

[4:51:44] not sure that any of our other

[4:51:46] officers can take on much more

[4:51:47] capacity.

[4:51:51] Again, if public safety is the

[4:51:53] goal, why zoning?

[4:51:55] It doesn't seem that the policy

[4:51:59] here fits the problem.

[4:52:02] We're using -- we're trying to

[4:52:07] fit a swear block into a round

[4:52:09] round -- thank you.

[4:52:13] It doesn't make sense to me.

[4:52:15] I think restrictive based zoning

[4:52:18] has been the most consistent

[4:52:21] finding in various types of

[4:52:23] literature that is against using

[4:52:26] restrictive zoning as a crime

[4:52:27] reduction tool.

[4:52:31] There's no studies that find

[4:52:34] that it actually works.

[4:52:36] So, I want public safety.

[4:52:38] That's a big reason why I was

[4:52:40] pushing to try to use some of

[4:52:43] our apd dollars from recruitment

[4:52:48] to go toward violence prevention

[4:52:51] and more patrol allocations and

[4:52:52] more social services and more

[4:52:54] code enforcement.

[4:52:58] i just don't think zoning a land

[4:53:02] use tool is proper policy fit

[4:53:04] for the problem you're trying to

[4:53:05] solve here.

[4:53:08] Thank you for clarifying on how

[4:53:12] your data was being reviewed.

[4:53:14] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, if I MAY?

[4:53:15] I think it would be helpful if

[4:53:17] we showed the overall map where

[4:53:19] we had the calls.

[4:53:23] If we could display that, for

[4:53:25] the dc to walk over where these

[4:53:27] calls are and these hot spots

[4:53:28] we've been talking about.

[4:53:30] I think it would be helpful.

[4:53:34] >>coun. Pe}a: that would be

[4:53:46] good.

[4:53:47] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilors,

[4:53:49] the data that you're seeing in

[4:53:51] front of you is our calls for

[4:53:55] service for a rolling year.

[4:53:58] And my understanding is as the

[4:54:00] shapes increase in size, that's

[4:54:02] the increase in volume of

[4:54:03] different calls.

[4:54:05] I would also state to you, like

[4:54:08] to councilor telles's point,

[4:54:10] like I talked about earlier,

[4:54:12] when we have different

[4:54:13] geographical regions of the

[4:54:16] city, there are different

[4:54:20] factors such as low lower income

[4:54:21] real estate.

[4:54:24] Whether it's motels or social

[4:54:25] services that have brought

[4:54:26] individuals to the area.

[4:54:29] That obviously is bringing those

[4:54:31] people to the area.

[4:54:34] Since we see that concentration

[4:54:37] of people, you can clearly see,

[4:54:40] especially in district six, we

[4:54:44] have a higher call volume at

[4:54:46] these nicotine retailers.

[4:54:48] And breaking down what the

[4:54:49] actual calls are compared to

[4:54:51] other areas of the city, that's

[4:54:53] where we see the trend of all of

[4:54:59] our proactive enforcement to

[4:55:00] vice PRESIDENT Champine's point

[4:55:02] is we're there every day making

[4:55:02] arrests.

[4:55:05] Our prt is there every day.

[4:55:07] It's not stopping for us.

[4:55:10] Compared to other areas of the

[4:55:14] city, you can see that these

[4:55:16] particular regions that are

[4:55:19] increasing the call for service

[4:55:22] us -- for us.

[4:55:23] >>coun. Pe}a: councilor telles.

[4:55:24] >>coun. Telles: thank you, MADAM

[4:55:25] PRESIDENT.

[4:55:27] Thank you, dc.

[4:55:28] Here's my question.

[4:55:30] If we removed that tomorrow.

[4:55:32] Let's just say tomorrow we

[4:55:34] snapped our fingers and we

[4:55:37] removed nicotine shops were --

[4:55:42] all problem shops that relate to

[4:55:44] increased, you know, call

[4:55:46] volume, is there evidence that

[4:55:47] calls would drop?

[4:55:51] Or would they just shift to the

[4:55:54] next most visible property

[4:55:54] problem area?

[4:55:57] If we restrict this on nicotine

[4:56:01] shops and cannabis shops, are

[4:56:03] those calls going to drop, or

[4:56:05] are they just going to shift to

[4:56:06] the next business?

[4:56:09] Is it going to shift to bars?

[4:56:12] Is it going to shift to whatever

[4:56:14] other type of business that's

[4:56:16] the most visible and vulnerable?

[4:56:18] And are we going to have to come

[4:56:20] back here and see we're still

[4:56:22] seeing calls here and it didn't

[4:56:24] work so we need to restrict

[4:56:28] other businesses and zoning?

[4:56:30] I just want to know when are we

[4:56:33] going to actually create policy

[4:56:35] that fits the problem.

[4:56:37] Because a land use tool is not

[4:56:41] the right lever for public

[4:56:41] safety.

[4:56:45] It's investing in public safety

[4:56:47] reduction, not tearing down

[4:56:48] business owners.

[4:56:52] I would actually be willing to

[4:56:54] subsidize security cameras for

[4:56:55] some of these businesses.

[4:56:58] that's a public safety tool that

[4:57:00] has been actually proven to

[4:57:03] reduce these type of calls.

[4:57:08] I just don't believe that -- I

[4:57:10] believe you're getting calls.

[4:57:11] But I don't know that the ratio

[4:57:16] of these calls are necessarily

[4:57:19] necessarily -- again, it's the

[4:57:22] correlation versus causation.

[4:57:23] Is it because they're just

[4:57:25] elevated for other reasons,

[4:57:29] poverty, density, foot traffic?

[4:57:31] It's not the right policy fit to

[4:57:33] solve the problem.

[4:57:37] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor

[4:57:41] telles, I can respond.

[4:57:43] I understand your point, but I

[4:57:46] definitely would point out it

[4:57:48] depends on -- you're asking

[4:57:50] like, well, if you get rid of it

[4:57:52] is the crime just going to go to

[4:57:54] a different business.

[4:57:55] Each business has its own

[4:57:57] particular set of crimes.

[4:57:59] We've seen with our retailers

[4:58:01] where theft is the number one

[4:58:02] issue.

[4:58:03] We've seen with our cell phone

[4:58:05] stores or other small

[4:58:06] businesses, especially in the

[4:58:08] northeast rights, burglary is

[4:58:09] our issue.

[4:58:10] I have personally seen the calls

[4:58:13] for service data where I pull

[4:58:14] statistic for six different

[4:58:16] liquor stores, there were no

[4:58:17] calls for service.

[4:58:19] I'm sure bars, you're going to

[4:58:21] sigh fights and disturbances and

[4:58:23] DWIs.

[4:58:25] But each particular genre of

[4:58:26] business, if that's the right

[4:58:28] term, has their own set of

[4:58:30] crimes, unfortunately.

[4:58:32] With this particular nicotine

[4:58:34] retailers and cannabis locations

[4:58:36] where they're densely populated,

[4:58:38] the types of crime I'm seeing is

[4:58:41] violent crimes and open-air drug

[4:58:46] use such that pulls so much

[4:58:48] resources every day from

[4:58:49] community safety, albuquerque

[4:58:53] fire rescue and apd.

[4:58:53] >>coun. Pe}a: councilor

[4:58:54] fiebelkorn.

[4:58:55] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: thank you,

[4:58:55] MADAM PRESIDENT.

[4:58:56] First of all, can you scroll

[4:58:57] down.

[4:59:01] I assume there's some sort of

[4:59:01] legend.

[4:59:02] Administration, it would have

[4:59:04] been great if this was shared

[4:59:05] sometime in the last seven and a

[4:59:08] half weeks.

[4:59:08] Okay.

[4:59:12] Those are cad calls.

[4:59:12] Okay.

[4:59:12] Thank you.

[4:59:15] Is this the entire entity of the

[4:59:17] data that has been gathered to

[4:59:20] support this bill?

[4:59:22] Because all this is is literally

[4:59:26] a map of our city and it shows

[4:59:29] not support for this bill, which

[4:59:33] is for everywhere in our city.

[4:59:38] It covers all of these areas.

[4:59:41] This map, I'm assuming, we have

[4:59:43] people with maps that can do

[4:59:44] this.

[4:59:47] I'm guessing if you overlaid

[4:59:50] crosswalks, bars, transit

[4:59:52] corridors, big box stores,

[4:59:54] grocery stores, corner stores,

[4:59:59] dark streets, any of those

[5:00:00] things would overlap because

[5:00:01] what you're seeing is a map of

[5:00:03] our city where there are hot

[5:00:06] spots that need attention by

[5:00:06] apd.

[5:00:09] I don't see any data that proves

[5:00:13] that a cannabis store nextdore

[5:00:16] to a cigar store impacts this.

[5:00:19] I'm sorry, I called you

[5:00:19] commander.

[5:00:21] Your now deputy chief.

[5:00:23] I apologize for misremembering.

[5:00:25] But the deputy chief has been

[5:00:27] clear that there are many

[5:00:30] cannabis stores and cigar stores

[5:00:32] and tobacco stores all around

[5:00:33] the city that do not have calls

[5:00:36] for service.

[5:00:38] So, I appreciate the map, but

[5:00:40] it's really proving my point not

[5:00:42] the point of the bill that's in

[5:00:45] front of us.

[5:00:48] Still would have like to have it

[5:00:50] about seven and a half weeks

[5:00:50] ago.

[5:00:52] I appreciate it.

[5:00:53] >>coun. Pe}a: councilor baca.

[5:00:54] >>coun. Baca: thank you, MADAM

[5:00:55] PRESIDENT.

[5:00:57] I'm looking at this map and I'll

[5:00:59] take district one as an example.

[5:01:01] There are only shops on unser

[5:01:05] and coors boulevard zoned to

[5:01:05] allow these.

[5:01:09] And the rest of district one is

[5:01:09] black.

[5:01:11] Because of the restrictive

[5:01:13] zoning in those areas that don't

[5:01:17] allow anything but single family

[5:01:17] homes.

[5:01:19] I've got three or four metal

[5:01:21] shops down the road where it's

[5:01:23] hard to get any other husbands

[5:01:23] near them.

[5:01:26] There's zero chance we could

[5:01:30] open a metal shop in that big

[5:01:32] black blocks in district one.

[5:01:33] Zoning matters lot.

[5:01:35] What we allow in certain areas.

[5:01:36] In this case, whatever is

[5:01:38] already there exists.

[5:01:40] You're not taking that away

[5:01:41] unless there's bad actor.

[5:01:42] In which case, we can see where

[5:01:45] those folks are.

[5:01:47] Ideally, if you get rid of the

[5:01:50] bad actors and the good actors

[5:01:51] stay and you don't get new

[5:01:52] players in that area.

[5:01:54] Over time this gets better.

[5:01:56] We use zoning for a ton of

[5:01:57] things.

[5:01:58] We are always trying to add

[5:02:00] zoning ability in our city.

[5:02:02] This is one of those.

[5:02:05] we have so much restriking

[5:02:05] e ing

[5:02:06] ing

[5:02:06] e ing

[5:02:07] ing --

[5:02:07] restrictive zoning in the city.

[5:02:10] But it appears as if it doesn't

[5:02:11] make a difference.

[5:02:13] But that's because it's always

[5:02:15] that way because of restrictive

[5:02:17] zoning.

[5:02:19] You can look at this map in a

[5:02:21] variety of ways and it's clear

[5:02:22] with it's happening.

[5:02:24] Those of us that deal with this

[5:02:26] on regular basis, I would love

[5:02:28] to see this problem get better.

[5:02:29] This is one tool.

[5:02:33] It's not as if it's either or on

[5:02:34] any of these things.

[5:02:37] If we use all the tools and

[5:02:38] adjust them together they all

[5:02:40] get better over time.

[5:02:42] It's never an either or with any

[5:02:45] of these things.

[5:02:45] Thank you.

[5:02:47] >>coun. Pe}a: seeing no other

[5:02:48] questions before I turn it over

[5:02:49] to councilor grout to close.

[5:02:52] I'll just add a few things.

[5:02:55] First of all, just looking at

[5:02:57] this -- the ido and the fact

[5:02:59] that we have cannabis and

[5:03:01] nicotine retail uses throughout

[5:03:04] the ido, I intend to bring back

[5:03:06] an ordinance that changes that

[5:03:08] to the marijuana.

[5:03:11] I don't know that it will pass.

[5:03:13] This is exactly why when we had

[5:03:16] the cannabis equity fund put in

[5:03:18] front of us, I fought really

[5:03:21] hard to make sure we change it

[5:03:25] to the marijuana equity fund and

[5:03:27] this body passed that resolution

[5:03:29] because I think it's important

[5:03:31] because when it was illegal it

[5:03:33] was marijuana, and that's when

[5:03:35] we were being incarcerated and

[5:03:37] put in jail and it became

[5:03:38] popular and legal.

[5:03:41] and they changed it to cannabis.

[5:03:44] I intend to bring that back for

[5:03:44] this.

[5:03:46] The marijuana equity fund.

[5:03:50] I'm proud we're able to get that

[5:03:50] passed.

[5:03:52] When we first talked about

[5:03:53] opening these cannabis shops,

[5:03:56] one of the things -- grace

[5:03:59] talked about it during her

[5:03:59] commentary.

[5:04:01] When we first did this, it was

[5:04:03] really going to be the

[5:04:06] Mcdonald's of cannabis shops.

[5:04:10] And the fact that we fought also

[5:04:12] to make sure that it was a free

[5:04:13] market and everybody who could

[5:04:15] go into business and small

[5:04:18] business owners and people that

[5:04:20] just cobbled up some money, they

[5:04:24] could open up their own

[5:04:27] marijuana shop.

[5:04:28] Anyway, I think that's important

[5:04:31] to say that, yes, the market

[5:04:33] somebody else talked about the

[5:04:34] market dwindling down.

[5:04:35] It's happening.

[5:04:37] But at least those people who

[5:04:40] weren't the Mcdonald's of the

[5:04:42] world would have a shot at

[5:04:43] opening cannabis.

[5:04:45] These are the same people that

[5:04:47] went through all the grief of

[5:04:48] marijuana.

[5:04:50] And then, to say that.

[5:04:54] And we have deputy chief up

[5:04:54] here.

[5:04:56] And we really should have

[5:04:59] planning up here.

[5:05:04] This is really a planning issue.

[5:05:09] To councilor fiebelkorn's point,

[5:05:11] when we're doing restricted

[5:05:13] areas, back to the argument when

[5:05:15] we first did this to allow

[5:05:17] cannabis shops to go wherever

[5:05:19] businesses wanted to go, now

[5:05:21] this is just going in reverse.

[5:05:22] And it's actually going to push

[5:05:23] out.

[5:05:27] And it does create certain areas

[5:05:29] that aren't going to be allowed.

[5:05:31] And some of the districts that

[5:05:33] already see a dis proportion

[5:05:34] proportionate

[5:05:36] amount of this will see more.

[5:05:37] Although, my argument doesn't

[5:05:39] stand so much because I'm proud

[5:05:40] of district three because we do

[5:05:43] have a lot of cannabis shops

[5:05:44] along central.

[5:05:46] Working with southwest area

[5:05:47] command, they do the partnership

[5:05:49] and working with the prt and

[5:05:51] doing all those things we need

[5:05:52] to do.

[5:05:54] Coors and central was bad for a

[5:05:55] minute.

[5:05:56] We worked hard and they did a

[5:05:57] lot of things.

[5:05:59] You can see door and central

[5:06:01] didn't pop up on that map.

[5:06:03] And to the north of central, I

[5:06:08] know we have that in councilor

[5:06:08] telles's district.

[5:06:09] We have that truck stop.

[5:06:12] I know there's a lot of issues

[5:06:12] there.

[5:06:14] But I don't serve that area.

[5:06:15] Just to councilor telles's

[5:06:17] point, we have the southwest

[5:06:21] area command on los volcanes.

[5:06:25] That is in your district for

[5:06:27] that.

[5:06:29] I think I got everything that I

[5:06:32] have on my notes.

[5:06:34] Yeah, I think we have an

[5:06:35] epidemic on our hands.

[5:06:37] Everybody wants a solution and

[5:06:39] try to figure out how we address

[5:06:40] some of the issues.

[5:06:42] But I think targeting certain

[5:06:45] businesses isn't the answer.

[5:06:49] I think we need to do a lot of

[5:06:51] proactive approach.

[5:06:54] Anyway, again, to look to the

[5:06:56] nuisance abatement ordinance

[5:06:57] because this is something that

[5:07:00] was a tool that we used heavily

[5:07:01] at one point.

[5:07:03] I think we should bring that

[5:07:06] back in a strong way but not as

[5:07:08] heavy-handed as we did in the

[5:07:09] past.

[5:07:11] And I will end with that and go

[5:07:14] to councilor grout to close.

[5:07:16] >>coun. Grout: thank you, all.

[5:07:18] I appreciate the dialogue and

[5:07:21] the debate.

[5:07:25] It's good.

[5:07:26] I have nothing against cannabis

[5:07:27] or smoke shops.

[5:07:29] I really don't.

[5:07:31] I don't frequent them.

[5:07:31] That's okay.

[5:07:35] I know they have a purpose.

[5:07:37] I know that there's good in

[5:07:37] them.

[5:07:39] I also know there can be issues

[5:07:40] with them.

[5:07:44] Trying to put a little distance

[5:07:46] between them and our officers

[5:07:53] and afr and acs, they're all

[5:07:54] -- code

[5:07:56] enforcement -- they all asked we

[5:07:59] do something because there's a

[5:07:59] problem.

[5:08:01] If this isn't the answer, we'll

[5:08:03] keep working on it.

[5:08:06] I appreciate everybody that we

[5:08:08] worked with.

[5:08:10] And it will be okay.

[5:08:15] With that, I urge your support.

[5:08:16] [Roll call].

[5:08:19] >>coun. Baca: yes.

[5:08:21] >>coun. Bassan: yes.

[5:08:24] >>coun. Champine: no.

[5:08:27] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: no.

[5:08:29] >>coun. Grout: yes.

[5:08:31] >>coun. Lewis: no.

[5:08:33] >>coun. Rogers: no.

[5:08:36] >>coun. Telles: no.

[5:08:40] >>coun. Pe}a: no.

[5:08:44] >> fails on a 3-6 vote.

[5:08:45] >>coun. Bassan: MADAM PRESIDENT,

[5:08:49] o-40 repealing roa1994 chapter

[5:08:51] four creating consolidated

[5:08:52] accountability and government

[5:08:54] ordinance governing the ago

[5:08:56] committee office of internal

[5:08:58] audit and office of inspector

[5:08:59] general.

[5:09:00] I move do pass.

[5:09:02] >>coun. Pe}a: there's a motion,

[5:09:04] and a second by councilor rogers

[5:09:06] for o-40.

[5:09:07] >>coun. Bassan: I'd like to move

[5:09:16] floor substitute.

[5:09:17] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: second.

[5:09:18] >>coun. Bassan: thank you.

[5:09:20] Just to clarify what's in the

[5:09:22] floor substitute, I did ask

[5:09:24] julia send it out.

[5:09:25] It did go out a little bit later

[5:09:27] than we wanted.

[5:09:30] At the same time we tried to

[5:09:31] notify everyone what was in.

[5:09:33] I want to review what the

[5:09:35] changes are so hopefully you'll

[5:09:36] feel comfortable with it.

[5:09:38] Most of it -- there are

[5:09:39] technical changes.

[5:09:42] But after the last fgo meeting

[5:09:45] we had a while back, the admin

[5:09:47] came to me pointing out some

[5:09:48] issues including technical

[5:09:49] changes but we found a couple of

[5:09:50] other things.

[5:09:53] Running down that list, the

[5:09:54] definition of waste.

[5:09:56] We changed it.

[5:09:58] Instead of the wordf buse in

[5:10:00] that definition, we say

[5:10:01] inefficient use.

[5:10:03] There's also a separate

[5:10:05] definition for the word abuse.

[5:10:11] We didn't want to have that be

[5:10:11] confusing.

[5:10:16] I say we, I mean me.

[5:10:17] Allowing the mayor to review and

[5:10:21] comment on proposed and policy

[5:10:22] procedures from the ago.

[5:10:24] And the council will have to

[5:10:26] approve those policy and

[5:10:27] procedures presented from ago

[5:10:29] while also considering any

[5:10:30] comments that the mayor includes

[5:10:32] and wants to suggest because

[5:10:34] that way there's a little bit of

[5:10:36] both sides that could have some

[5:10:38] kind of input.

[5:10:40] we want it to be consistent with

[5:10:41] the other sections.

[5:10:43] We made sure to clarify adding

[5:10:46] in 15 days to publish reports.

[5:10:50] Changing the timeline for

[5:10:53] publishing of reports from 15

[5:10:55] days to 30 if there's a revised

[5:10:57] report from the ig.

[5:10:59] Which would allow some more

[5:11:01] opportunity for the ig to be

[5:11:02] able to make changes and

[5:11:04] actually complete that revision.

[5:11:10] We would add in the word youth

[5:11:13] for sick leave.

[5:11:15] Instead of the ig having to

[5:11:18] report sick leave to the

[5:11:18] committee.

[5:11:22] Being at the ago committee is

[5:11:29] not -- the ig needs to make sure

[5:11:32] to report their significant use

[5:11:34] of vacation or sick leave.

[5:11:38] The office, both the ig and ia

[5:11:41] office can select out could

[5:11:43] counsel in consultation with the

[5:11:44] city attorney.

[5:11:45] If the city attorney is to

[5:11:48] provide a list of different

[5:11:49] outside legal services and

[5:11:52] different options, the office

[5:11:54] can choose to select one from

[5:11:54] that list.

[5:11:57] Or if the office consulted city

[5:11:59] legal and they want to pick

[5:12:00] somewhere else, that is within

[5:12:03] their purview as well, being

[5:12:05] they're both supposed to be

[5:12:06] independent.

[5:12:08] Adding in the certification

[5:12:10] verification requirements that

[5:12:13] we changed in some of that they

[5:12:15] if the auditor and the inspector

[5:12:17] general voocertain requirements

[5:12:21] that they have to provide,

[5:12:23] verifying certification.

[5:12:24] And it needs to be within

[5:12:25] certain dates.

[5:12:29] We made sure to add in the

[5:12:31] council can be able to offer a

[5:12:32] one-year extension if that

[5:12:34] hasn't been completed within

[5:12:36] that two-year time frame.

[5:12:39] If council decides, but they

[5:12:41] don't have to, to change the

[5:12:43] term that if any kind of

[5:12:45] criminal activity is suspected

[5:12:48] that instead of report to the

[5:12:49] prosecuting authority, it would

[5:12:51] be reporting to the law

[5:12:52] enforcement authority because we

[5:12:54] cannot skip law enforcement and

[5:12:56] go straight to prosecution.

[5:12:57] It's law enforcement that should

[5:12:59] go to prosecution.

[5:13:01] And making sure to add in some

[5:13:03] of the attorney-client privilege

[5:13:05] requirement changes as well as

[5:13:09] some updates to the recruiting

[5:13:11] and hiring that be included in

[5:13:12] the annual report.

[5:13:15] If there are vacancies, whether

[5:13:16] it's through A.G.O. -- I'm

[5:13:19] sorry, if there are vacancies

[5:13:22] between the ig and ia, and

[5:13:25] there's been certain times that

[5:13:27] have gone by that part of the

[5:13:29] annual report coming from the

[5:13:32] A.G.O. And ig and ia should

[5:13:34] include updates on how the

[5:13:34] hiring process has been going

[5:13:38] and what has been done to

[5:13:38] recruit.

[5:13:42] I think I covered it all.

[5:13:43] MS. Coulloudon can help if you

[5:13:45] have more specific questions.

[5:13:48] I open for questions, or I urge

[5:13:50] your spoerality

[5:13:51] upport.

[5:13:52] >>coun. Pe}a: there's a motion

[5:13:54] and a second for floor sub.

[5:14:01] [Roll call].

[5:14:04] >>coun. Baca: yes.

[5:14:05] >>coun. Bassan: yes.

[5:14:08] >>coun. Champine: yes.

[5:14:10] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: yes.

[5:14:12] >>coun. Grout: yes.

[5:14:14] >>coun. Lewis: yes.

[5:14:16] >>coun. Rogers: yes.

[5:14:17] >>coun. Telles: yes.

[5:14:18] >>coun. Pe}a: yes.

[5:14:19] >> passes unanimously.

[5:14:21] >>coun. Pe}a: back on the bill

[5:14:24] as substituted.

[5:14:26] Do we have anyone signed up to

[5:14:27] speak?

[5:14:29] >> thank you, MADAM PRESIDENT.

[5:14:42] We have tad.

[5:14:43] >> thank you.

[5:14:49] My name is tad.

[5:14:53] Well, I can see many problems

[5:14:56] with this government.

[5:14:59] We do not -- city has to come up

[5:15:04] with new policy.

[5:15:05] Accountability.

[5:15:08] Inspector general doing what?

[5:15:08] Zero.

[5:15:10] And so on.

[5:15:18] Nobody can touch it.

[5:15:21] We spend this evening discussing

[5:15:24] economic development abuses.

[5:15:26] Abuses with everywhere with

[5:15:31] every nonprofit organization.

[5:15:35] And who is controlling

[5:15:36] everything?

[5:15:37] Nobody from the city.

[5:15:39] That's what they need.

[5:15:42] That is policy.

[5:15:46] Somebody have to step in with

[5:15:46] policy.

[5:15:50] Council better come up and

[5:15:52] somebody have to look at all the

[5:15:52] problems.

[5:15:55] >>coun. Pe}a: thank you.

[5:15:58] That concludes public comment.

[5:16:03] Any questions, comments?

[5:16:04] Councilor bassan to close.

[5:16:05] >>coun. Bassan: MADAM PRESIDENT,

[5:16:06] I know -- I would like to

[5:16:09] request your permission, if

[5:16:10] there is a development of

[5:16:12] wanting to reopen conversation,

[5:16:14] but seeing it appears the

[5:16:16] council doesn't have issues.

[5:16:18] Instead of moving deferral, I'd

[5:16:19] like to make a motion to suspend

[5:16:24] the rules to vote on this at the

[5:16:26] same meeting in which it was

[5:16:29] substituted.

[5:16:31] >>coun. Pe}a: there's a motion,

[5:16:33] and a second.

[5:16:34] Clarify the motion one more

[5:16:34] time.

[5:16:35] >>coun. Bassan: motion to

[5:16:38] suspend the rules to act upon

[5:16:45] the bill at the same meeting

[5:16:47] which it was substituted.

[5:16:49] [Roll call].

[5:16:50] >>coun. Baca: yes.

[5:16:50] >>coun. Bassan: yes.

[5:16:52] >>coun. Champine: yes.

[5:16:55] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: yes.

[5:16:57] >>coun. Grout: yes.

[5:16:59] >>coun. Lewis: yes.

[5:17:00] >>coun. Rogers: yes.

[5:17:02] >>coun. Telles: yes.

[5:17:02] >>coun. Pe}a: yes.

[5:17:05] >> passes unanimously.

[5:17:06] >>coun. Pe}a: thank you.

[5:17:09] We're now on o-41.

[5:17:09] Councilor bassan.

[5:17:10] >>coun. Bassan: MADAM PRESIDENT,

[5:17:13] I think we're still on o-40.

[5:17:16] As substitute.

[5:17:16] >>coun. Pe}a: I'm sorry.

[5:17:17] Councilor bassan.

[5:17:19] >>coun. Bassan: I urge your

[5:17:20] support.

[5:17:21] >>coun. Pe}a: MADAM Clerk.

[5:17:24] [Roll call].

[5:17:28] >>coun. Baca: yes.

[5:17:29] >>coun. Bassan: yes.

[5:17:30] >>coun. Champine: yes.

[5:17:33] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: yes.

[5:17:34] >>coun. Grout: yes.

[5:17:36] >>coun. Lewis: yes.

[5:17:38] >>coun. Rogers: yes.

[5:17:39] >>coun. Telles: yes.

[5:17:40] >>coun. Pe}a: yes.

[5:17:41] >> passes unanimously.

[5:17:45] >>coun. Pe}a: now, we're on

[5:17:45] o-41.

[5:17:47] >>coun. Bassan: MADAM PRESIDENT,

[5:17:49] o-41, amending the whistleblower

[5:17:52] ordinance, roa1994 chapter three

[5:17:53] article seven.

[5:17:54] I move do pass.

[5:17:55] >>coun. Pe}a: there's a motion

[5:17:56] and a second by councilor rogers

[5:17:59] for do pass of o-41.

[5:18:00] >>coun. Bassan: MADAM PRESIDENT,

[5:18:04] if you will please bear with me,

[5:18:05] i don't know if I have ever done

[5:18:07] this, but I'm going to read to

[5:18:09] you some of the significant

[5:18:13] changes or the changes in this

[5:18:16] version of the whistleblower

[5:18:16] ordinance.

[5:18:17] I know councilor telles has one

[5:18:18] coming down the pipe to

[5:18:19] committee.

[5:18:21] I just want to make sure to

[5:18:24] clarify for the public's

[5:18:26] information as well as the

[5:18:28] council's what this one has in

[5:18:28] it.

[5:18:31] That way it can be, I hope, more

[5:18:32] clear for everybody.

[5:18:34] Please bear with me.

[5:18:37] The general edits are citation

[5:18:39] edits and emphasizing that city

[5:18:40] employees are the reporting body

[5:18:43] to properly report improper

[5:18:45] governmental action.

[5:18:48] And some of the more

[5:18:49] comprehensive summaries are

[5:18:51] changing to the reporting

[5:18:51] procedures.

[5:18:54] This bill makes two substantive

[5:18:56] amendments to the reporting

[5:18:57] procedures.

[5:18:58] First when submitting a

[5:18:59] complaint the complainant must

[5:19:01] include sufficient facts.

[5:19:04] If true, establish the improper

[5:19:05] government action occurred.

[5:19:07] In addition to the existing

[5:19:10] limitation on oig investigations

[5:19:12] into discrimination labor law

[5:19:15] matters and other matters, the

[5:19:17] inspector general shall not

[5:19:19] accept complaints related to

[5:19:21] retaliation based on status in a

[5:19:23] protected class or protected

[5:19:23] activity.

[5:19:26] Violations related to collective

[5:19:29] bargaining agreement matters,

[5:19:30] violations of the merit system

[5:19:31] ordinance or matters under

[5:19:33] investigation by any state or

[5:19:34] federal agency.

[5:19:38] The other change is changes to

[5:19:39] the investigative procedures

[5:19:40] section.

[5:19:42] It amends several of those.

[5:19:44] First it mandates investigations

[5:19:45] are conducted in a timely manner

[5:19:47] by an independent and qualified

[5:19:49] fact finder.

[5:19:50] Second, the bill clarifies that

[5:19:52] all city employees board

[5:19:53] commission and committee members

[5:19:55] and elected officials shall

[5:19:57] assist the oig in investigation.

[5:19:59] Including making them

[5:20:02] self-available for interview.

[5:20:04] And the inspector MAY decline to

[5:20:06] investigate a complaint if the

[5:20:07] allegations have been

[5:20:09] investigated or adjudicated by

[5:20:10] human resources.

[5:20:13] Any state or federal agency or

[5:20:13] arbitration.

[5:20:15] Last, this bill requires in this

[5:20:17] section the city to maintain the

[5:20:19] secure case management and

[5:20:21] tracking system for all

[5:20:22] complaints investigated pursuant

[5:20:23] to this ordinance.

[5:20:25] I have an upcoming amendment to

[5:20:27] clarify one of the

[5:20:29] technicalities on that.

[5:20:30] Under the confidentiality

[5:20:31] section it prohibits disclosure

[5:20:34] of a complainants identity

[5:20:35] without consent.

[5:20:36] And when disclosure is

[5:20:38] necessary, reasonable advanced

[5:20:41] notice shall be provided.

[5:20:43] Personally identifiable

[5:20:45] information must be protected by

[5:20:50] the max misdemeanor extent.

[5:20:52] Retaliation section, it directs

[5:20:53] employees to submit complaints

[5:20:55] in accord once the grievance

[5:20:56] resolution procedure.

[5:20:57] Unclassified employees MAY

[5:20:59] submit complains to their

[5:21:01] department director or human

[5:21:02] resources.

[5:21:03] In either situation, if there

[5:21:05] has been a finding of

[5:21:06] retaliation against the

[5:21:07] employee, it should be remedied

[5:21:11] by reversing any disciplinary

[5:21:13] action, expunging materials from

[5:21:16] the employee's personnel file

[5:21:19] and the cao shall determine

[5:21:21] whether additional actions shall

[5:21:24] be needed to address retaliatory

[5:21:24] actions taken.

[5:21:32] This clarifies what constitutes

[5:21:35] retaliation.

[5:21:38] Under the city's action

[5:21:40] sections, it requires that

[5:21:41] employees know of their

[5:21:43] protections granted by the

[5:21:45] whistleblower protection

[5:21:45] ordinance.

[5:21:48] And noticed prepared by the oig,

[5:21:50] the city must ensure awareness

[5:21:52] of the whistleblower protections

[5:21:53] through training onboarding

[5:21:56] accessible and contractor vendor

[5:21:57] notification.

[5:21:58] Additionally, this will impose

[5:22:01] the deadline for oig to submit

[5:22:02] the report to the city council

[5:22:04] within 60 days of the end of

[5:22:05] each fiscal year.

[5:22:06] We got our first report for the

[5:22:09] first time in the city's history

[5:22:10] last year.

[5:22:12] This is like a tiny thing, but I

[5:22:14] think it's important we put a

[5:22:16] date so it doesn't get

[5:22:18] overlooked by accident.

[5:22:20] Those are some of the -- that's

[5:22:22] the nuts and bolts of this

[5:22:23] whistleblower ordinance update

[5:22:25] which has been in the works and

[5:22:31] I worked with admin and ig and

[5:22:31] legal.

[5:22:33] This is part of that process

[5:22:35] that we've been going through.

[5:22:38] With that, MADAM PRESIDENT, can

[5:22:40] I move my more technical

[5:22:41] amendment before the other

[5:22:43] amendments?

[5:22:45] >>coun. Pe}a: sure.

[5:22:46] >>coun. Bassan: thank you.

[5:22:47] It's right here.

[5:22:49] i would like to move amendment

[5:22:49] one.

[5:22:53] It's in your ipad.

[5:22:56] I promise it's really technical,

[5:22:57] not too gross.

[5:23:00] On page, eight, line three.

[5:23:02] Amend the section as follows.

[5:23:04] Instead of it saying the city

[5:23:06] shall maintain a secure case

[5:23:07] management and tracking system,

[5:23:11] change it to say the office of

[5:23:13] inspector general shall maintain

[5:23:14] secure case management and

[5:23:14] tracking system.

[5:23:17] This is pointed out by the ig.

[5:23:19] And our legal team decided that

[5:23:22] was probably a more accurate use

[5:23:24] of the proper term, not just for

[5:23:28] the city to do it.

[5:23:29] >>coun. Pe}a: there's a motion,

[5:23:31] and three seconds.

[5:23:32] I'll take councilor grout's

[5:23:35] because she said it first.

[5:23:36] Councilor grout.

[5:23:41] For floor amendment number one.

[5:23:42] Let me write that down.

[5:23:45] Any discussion?

[5:23:50] [Roll call].

[5:23:52] >>coun. Baca: yes.

[5:23:54] >>coun. Bassan: yes.

[5:23:56] >>coun. Champine: yes.

[5:23:59] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: yes.

[5:24:02] >>coun. Grout: yes.

[5:24:04] >>coun. Lewis: yes.

[5:24:06] >>coun. Rogers: yes.

[5:24:07] >>coun. Telles: yes.

[5:24:08] >>coun. Pe}a: yes.

[5:24:11] >> passes unanimously.

[5:24:12] >>coun. Pe}a: okay.

[5:24:16] We are -- is that -- does that

[5:24:18] conclude your items?

[5:24:19] >>coun. Bassan: yes.

[5:24:21] >>coun. Pe}a: I'm going to move

[5:24:22] to councilor telles.

[5:24:25] >>coun. Telles: thank you, MADAM

[5:24:26] PRESIDENT.

[5:24:30] I have three amendments to bring

[5:24:31] forward.

[5:24:33] I just want -- before I go

[5:24:40] forward with these, I want to

[5:24:41] thank councilor bassan for

[5:24:43] moving forward in her work and

[5:24:45] restructuring the institution

[5:24:50] here of the whistleblower

[5:24:51] ordinance.

[5:24:53] These amendments work on the

[5:24:57] reporter's side of the same

[5:24:58] system.

[5:25:01] I think -- just so everyone

[5:25:02] knows, to clarify things a

[5:25:06] little bit here, councilor

[5:25:09] bassan builds the pipes, and my

[5:25:11] amendments are the folks who

[5:25:14] turn the faucet on.

[5:25:18] That is the point here.

[5:25:23] I will move with floor amendment

[5:25:24] a-2.

[5:25:24] Is that correct?

[5:25:26] >>coun. Pe}a: yes.

[5:25:30] We're on floor amendment labeled

[5:25:31] a, it will be floor amendment

[5:25:39] number two.

[5:25:40] >>coun. Telles: I do want to say

[5:26:03] we worked closely with oig.

[5:26:23] >>coun. Telles: -- we want to

[5:26:25] make sure anyone who is

[5:26:27] comfortable and brave and safe

[5:26:31] enough to come forward and

[5:26:33] report, if they accidently don't

[5:26:38] do it in such a way that follows

[5:26:43] the procedures specifically,

[5:26:45] line by line, because not

[5:26:48] everybody knows these, right?

[5:26:50] They're still protected.

[5:26:52] That is really the point here.

[5:26:58] I urge your support.

[5:26:59] >>coun. Pe}a: there's a motion

[5:27:02] and a second for floor amendment

[5:27:03] number two.

[5:27:07] [Roll call].

[5:27:10] >>coun. Baca: yes.

[5:27:13] >>coun. Bassan: yes.

[5:27:14] >>coun. Champine: yes.

[5:27:17] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: yes.

[5:27:18] >>coun. Grout: yes.

[5:27:20] >>coun. Lewis: yes.

[5:27:23] >>coun. Rogers: yes.

[5:27:24] >>coun. Telles: yes.

[5:27:25] >>coun. Pe}a: yes.

[5:27:26] >> passes unanimously.

[5:27:27] >>coun. Pe}a: thank you.

[5:27:29] We're now on floor amendment,

[5:27:31] labeled b, which is floor

[5:27:33] amendment number three.

[5:27:33] Councilor telles.

[5:27:36] >>coun. Telles: thank you, MADAM

[5:27:36] PRESIDENT.

[5:27:38] This amendment attars the

[5:27:40] standard in which retaliation

[5:27:41] MAY be established under the

[5:27:42] article.

[5:27:44] Under this amendment,

[5:27:48] retaliation is supported when a

[5:27:50] complainant engaged in activity

[5:27:51] protected under this article,

[5:27:53] and two, adverse action taken

[5:27:57] against the complainant factored

[5:27:58] in the protected disclosure.

[5:28:01] And protected disclosure is

[5:28:05] defined within the ordinance

[5:28:05] itself.

[5:28:06] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: second.

[5:28:07] >>coun. Pe}a: there's a motion,

[5:28:08] and a second by councilor

[5:28:09] fiebelkorn, for floor amendment

[5:28:11] number three.

[5:28:12] Any discussion?

[5:28:12] Councilor bassan.

[5:28:13] >>coun. Bassan: MADAM PRESIDENT,

[5:28:15] I just want to clarify,

[5:28:17] protected disclosure, this

[5:28:20] amendment is adding the

[5:28:21] definition.

[5:28:23] It's not already in the bill.

[5:28:26] I thought I just heard it was

[5:28:28] already in the bill.

[5:28:29] This is adding in the

[5:28:30] definition.

[5:28:32] >>coun. Telles: I'm sorry.

[5:28:33] Thank you.

[5:28:37] Yes, protected disclosure,

[5:28:38] individual consistent with the

[5:28:40] standards and case law

[5:28:41] interpreting the new mexico

[5:28:44] whistleblower protection act.

[5:28:46] That's what it is consistent

[5:28:46] with.

[5:28:49] The state wising

[5:28:49] ing

[5:28:50] ing

[5:28:52] wisingal --

[5:28:52] whistleblower act.

[5:28:55] That's is the protected

[5:28:55] disclosure.

[5:28:56] >>coun. Pe}a: does that answer

[5:28:57] your question?

[5:28:59] >>coun. Bassan: I guess, I'm

[5:29:01] just making sure everyone is

[5:29:03] aware this amendment is adding

[5:29:04] in that definition.

[5:29:07] It's not in the proposed bill.

[5:29:08] >>coun. Telles: yes.

[5:29:10] I'm sorry if that wasn't

[5:29:11] clarified.

[5:29:12] >>coun. Pe}a: thank you.

[5:29:13] Any other discussion?

[5:29:14] Seeing none.

[5:29:17] [Roll call].

[5:29:20] >>coun. Baca: yes.

[5:29:25] >>coun. Bassan: no.

[5:29:27] >>coun. Champine: yes.

[5:29:30] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: yes.

[5:29:33] >>coun. Grout: no.

[5:29:34] >>coun. Lewis: yes.

[5:29:37] >>coun. Rogers: yes.

[5:29:38] >>coun. Telles: yes.

[5:29:39] >>coun. Pe}a: yes.

[5:29:43] >> passes on a 7-2 vote.

[5:29:46] >>coun. Pe}a: we're on floor

[5:29:46] amendment c.

[5:29:48] Floor amendment number four.

[5:29:49] >>coun. Telles: thank you, MADAM

[5:29:50] PRESIDENT.

[5:29:51] This amendment as a provision

[5:29:53] that really emphasizes the

[5:29:55] identity of a reporting

[5:29:57] individual shall be kept

[5:29:59] confidential and provides a

[5:30:01] reporting individual MAY be

[5:30:01] anonymous.

[5:30:03] I urge your support.

[5:30:03] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: second.

[5:30:05] >>coun. Pe}a: any discussion?

[5:30:06] Seeing none.

[5:30:10] [Roll call].

[5:30:13] >>coun. Baca: yes.

[5:30:16] >>coun. Bassan: no.

[5:30:18] >>coun. Champine: no.

[5:30:21] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: yes.

[5:30:23] >>coun. Grout: no.

[5:30:26] >>coun. Lewis: no.

[5:30:28] >>coun. Rogers: yes.

[5:30:28] >>coun. Telles: yes.

[5:30:30] >>coun. Pe}a: no.

[5:30:34] >> fails on a 4-5 vote.

[5:30:35] >>coun. Pe}a: we're now back on

[5:30:44] the bill as amended four times.

[5:30:46] Amended four times.

[5:30:50] Three times?

[5:30:51] No?

[5:30:54] I have four.

[5:30:54] Okay.

[5:30:57] And we have another one labeled

[5:31:00] d?

[5:31:00] >>coun. Telles: MADAM PRESIDENT,

[5:31:04] that has been withdrawn.

[5:31:05] >>coun. Pe}a: it just got handed

[5:31:07] to me.

[5:31:10] With that, any discussion by

[5:31:11] councilors?

[5:31:12] Seeing none.

[5:31:13] Councilor bassan to close.

[5:31:14] >>coun. Bassan: MADAM PRESIDENT,

[5:31:15] I actually have a question about

[5:31:18] the protected disclosure.

[5:31:22] I realize, just to clarify,

[5:31:24] maybe in the upcoming

[5:31:29] whistleblower ordinance update,

[5:31:31] I believe it's perhaps might be

[5:31:32] the people turning the faucet on

[5:31:37] without the pipe.

[5:31:38] To be something considered

[5:31:39] moving forward.

[5:31:40] I don't think there's a system

[5:31:43] in place for a protected

[5:31:44] disclosure in the city.

[5:31:47] That probably needs to get built

[5:31:48] out now.

[5:31:51] With everything else, aside from

[5:31:53] that, I urge your support.

[5:31:58] >>coun. Pe}a: MADAM Clerk [Roll

[5:31:58] call].

[5:32:00] >>coun. Baca: yes.

[5:32:02] >>coun. Bassan: yes.

[5:32:04] >>coun. Champine: yes.

[5:32:06] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: yes.

[5:32:08] >>coun. Grout: yes.

[5:32:10] >>coun. Lewis: yes.

[5:32:12] >>coun. Rogers: yes.

[5:32:13] >>coun. Telles: yes.

[5:32:14] >>coun. Pe}a: yes.

[5:32:15] >> passes unanimously.

[5:32:21] >>coun. Pe}a: we're now on p2.

[5:32:25] >>coun. Champine: p2-6-2.

[5:32:26] Adoption sent to the voters

[5:32:29] proposing to amend article five

[5:32:30] of the charter regarding the

[5:32:32] appointment removal and

[5:32:33] independence of the city

[5:32:34] attorney and city clerk.

[5:32:39] I move for do pass.

[5:32:40] >>coun. Pe}a: was there a

[5:32:40] second?

[5:32:43] There's a motion, and a second

[5:32:44] by councilor fiebelkorn.

[5:32:47] For p-2.

[5:32:48] Councilor champine to open.

[5:32:49] >>coun. Champine: thank you,

[5:32:51] MADAM PRESIDENT.

[5:32:54] This is to submit a chart

[5:32:56] charter amendment to the

[5:32:57] amendment to the voters.

[5:33:00] The amendment is basically going

[5:33:03] to propose to change the charter

[5:33:04] regarding our appointment

[5:33:06] removal and independence of the

[5:33:12] city clerk and city attorney.

[5:33:13] >>coun. Pe}a: thank you.

[5:33:14] We'll go to public comment.

[5:33:16] We have a couple people signed

[5:33:17] up to speak.

[5:33:18] >> thank you, MADAM PRESIDENT.

[5:33:21] We have francesco followed by

[5:33:36] mervin.

[5:33:38] >> plenty of ambulance chasers

[5:33:41] out there, but the only ethical

[5:33:42] professionals with integrity and

[5:33:44] good character can be the tip of

[5:33:46] the spear of law enforcement,

[5:33:48] pulling in over six figures.

[5:33:50] Multiple guardrails already

[5:33:53] exist, including but not limited

[5:33:55] to city policy, and the state

[5:33:57] bar that prohibits attorneys

[5:33:59] from making misleading and false

[5:34:01] statements into the record.

[5:34:04] No need for permission from a

[5:34:07] king to get rid of bad faith

[5:34:08] lawyers.

[5:34:10] much as they want to, the

[5:34:13] constitution prohibits royalty

[5:34:15] from paying unethical attorneys

[5:34:17] working for the city after they

[5:34:18] loose their license to practice

[5:34:19] law.

[5:34:22] Cut off the money train, report

[5:34:27] them to the state bar, problem

[5:34:31] solved.

[5:34:35] >> mervin.

[5:34:35] I believe that concludes

[5:34:53] comment.

[5:35:00] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: I move floor

[5:35:02] amendment number one.

[5:35:04] This is addition into both page

[5:35:06] three, line ten, and page four

[5:35:06] line eight.

[5:35:08] It says the mayor MAY remove the

[5:35:10] city attorney or the city clerk

[5:35:12] at any time with notice to the

[5:35:14] council and interim city

[5:35:15] attorney.

[5:35:17] The council MAY remove city

[5:35:18] attorney with notice to the

[5:35:22] mayor and city attorney by an

[5:35:25] affirmative vote of 7 members of

[5:35:26] the council.

[5:35:27] >>coun. Pe}a: there's a motion,

[5:35:29] and a second by councilor

[5:35:29] telles.

[5:35:30] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: thank you,

[5:35:31] MADAM PRESIDENT.

[5:35:34] This is really just clarifying

[5:35:37] when these appointed positions

[5:35:41] can be ere mufb

[5:35:43] removed and by whom and

[5:35:44] making sure city council has a

[5:35:53] path there.

[5:35:54] Sdmrp okay.

[5:35:54] I was

[5:35:55] .

[5:35:56] >>coun. Pe}a: I was trying to

[5:35:56] read the amendment.

[5:35:57] I'm sorry.

[5:35:58] I'm catching up.

[5:36:01] Any discussion on the amendment?

[5:36:04] No?

[5:36:04] Councilor fiebelkorn.

[5:36:05] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: urge your

[5:36:07] support.

[5:36:07] >>coun. Pe}a: MADAM Clerk.

[5:36:09] [Roll call].

[5:36:11] >>coun. Baca: yes.

[5:36:12] >>coun. Bassan: yes.

[5:36:14] >>coun. Champine: yes.

[5:36:16] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: yes.

[5:36:18] >>coun. Grout: yes.

[5:36:21] >>coun. Lewis: yes.

[5:36:22] >>coun. Rogers: yes.

[5:36:24] >>coun. Telles: yes.

[5:36:24] >>coun. Pe}a: yes.

[5:36:28] >> passes unanimously.

[5:36:32] >>coun. Pe}a: we're now on floor

[5:36:34] amendment -- not labeled in your

[5:36:35] packet -- this is floor

[5:36:36] amendment number two.

[5:36:37] Councilor fiebelkorn and

[5:36:37] councilor champine.

[5:36:38] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: thank you,

[5:36:39] MADAM PRESIDENT.

[5:36:40] I think there's confusion on

[5:36:40] this.

[5:36:42] I want to make sure we're

[5:37:03] getting two up on the screen.

[5:37:11] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: great.

[5:37:11] Thank you.

[5:37:13] Floor amendment number two.

[5:37:15] It's now on the screen.

[5:37:19] Basically, this removes the

[5:37:22] language that had city council

[5:37:24] participating in the appointment

[5:37:26] of the city attorney and city

[5:37:27] clerk.

[5:37:30] It takes us back to the mayor

[5:37:31] doing his thing and interviewing

[5:37:33] folks and doing hr, which is not

[5:37:34] our job.

[5:37:36] And bringing that appointment to

[5:37:42] council for approval by majority

[5:37:44] of us.

[5:37:46] Two-thirds of the entire

[5:37:47] membership.

[5:37:49] This is really getting us away

[5:37:51] from hr, which has been the

[5:37:52] problem that I have heard from

[5:37:54] the administration as well as

[5:37:57] from other folks.

[5:37:58] I am happy to answer any

[5:38:00] questions.

[5:38:03] >>coun. Pe}a: any questions?

[5:38:04] >>coun. Champine: thank you,

[5:38:05] MADAM PRESIDENT.

[5:38:06] It's not really a question as

[5:38:08] I'm co-sponsor, I will second

[5:38:09] it.

[5:38:12] I know we haven't had a second.

[5:38:13] >>coun. Pe}a: there's a motion,

[5:38:16] and a second by vice PRESIDENT

[5:38:17] Champine.

[5:38:18] >>coun. Champine: when I started

[5:38:19] going through this charter

[5:38:20] amendment and the idea of what

[5:38:23] this was, I was very thankful

[5:38:24] for the fact that councilor

[5:38:25] fiebelkorn reached out and said,

[5:38:28] hey, can we sit down and talk.

[5:38:29] I'm going through it and I have

[5:38:30] a few questions.

[5:38:31] We sat down.

[5:38:33] Discussed the questions we had.

[5:38:34] And then actually came back

[5:38:36] again and said here I have a

[5:38:42] couple of ideas that might

[5:38:44] necessarily improve it.

[5:38:45] This is a good collaboration.

[5:38:47] She pointed out a couple things

[5:38:50] that said this might work better

[5:38:52] than the way written right now.

[5:38:54] Seconding it, but I also urge

[5:38:56] your support with it in the

[5:38:58] sense of knowing it wasn't

[5:38:58] one-sided.

[5:38:59] This is a collaboration between

[5:39:04] the two of us which was awesome.

[5:39:04] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: MADAM

[5:39:05] PRESIDENT, I'm sorry.

[5:39:08] I think we had the wrong one up.

[5:39:10] Show the one labeled d in the

[5:39:16] printout in front of us, please.

[5:39:17] >>coun. Pe}a: I have a hard time

[5:39:19] seeing that far.

[5:39:23] It didn't coincide what I was

[5:39:24] looking down with.

[5:39:25] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: I apologize.

[5:39:27] Even with my new glasses I can't

[5:39:29] see that far.

[5:39:30] >>coun. Pe}a: I know you're

[5:39:38] writing your own amendments --

[5:39:50] that's it.

[5:39:51] Go to the top.

[5:39:54] it says amendment b.

[5:39:56] Out of courtesy, if you're

[5:39:57] writing them independent of the

[5:40:02] staff, if we can put up d on

[5:40:03] that liable.

[5:40:05] And did you give explanation on

[5:40:05] the bottom?

[5:40:15] It's just helpful.

[5:40:18] >> MADAM PRESIDENT.

[5:40:19] >>coun. Champine: MADAM

[5:40:23] PRESIDENT.

[5:40:26] >>coun. Bassan: I was looking at

[5:40:28] r-30 amendment packet.

[5:40:29] Not the p2.

[5:40:30] My fault.

[5:40:32] I apologize.

[5:40:34] >>coun. Pe}a: I'm like this is

[5:40:34] what I have.

[5:40:39] >>coun. Champine: we are on

[5:40:40] p-2-62.

[5:40:42] >>coun. Pe}a: with that, any

[5:40:42] discussion?

[5:40:44] Seeing none.

[5:40:45] Councilor fiebelkorn, councilor

[5:40:46] champine.

[5:40:47] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: urge your

[5:40:47] support.

[5:40:54] [Roll call].

[5:40:55] --

[5:40:56] >>coun. Pe}a: second by

[5:40:58] councilor champine.

[5:40:59] [Roll call].

[5:41:00] >>coun. Baca: yes.

[5:41:01] >>coun. Bassan: yes.

[5:41:03] >>coun. Champine: yes.

[5:41:05] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: yes.

[5:41:07] >>coun. Grout: yes.

[5:41:09] >>coun. Lewis: yes.

[5:41:11] >>coun. Rogers: yes.

[5:41:12] >>coun. Telles: yes.

[5:41:13] >>coun. Pe}a: yes.

[5:41:15] >> passes unanimously.

[5:41:18] >>coun. Pe}a: we're now on floor

[5:41:20] amendment that actually is

[5:41:23] labeled c on the top right-hand

[5:41:24] corner.

[5:41:25] It will be now floor amendment

[5:41:26] number three.

[5:41:27] Councilor fiebelkorn and

[5:41:27] councilor champine.

[5:41:30] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: thank you,

[5:41:30] MADAM PRESIDENT.

[5:41:33] We're going to put this one up

[5:41:33] on the screen.

[5:41:37] This one basically just says

[5:41:39] that in both -- on page three,

[5:41:42] line ten, page four line eight,

[5:41:45] interim appointment cannot last

[5:41:48] for more than 270 days.

[5:41:50] I'm making sure that it looks

[5:41:52] like -- that is it.

[5:41:55] I'll move that amendment.

[5:41:57] >>coun. Pe}a: there's a motion,

[5:41:59] and a second by councilor telles

[5:42:02] for floor amendment number

[5:42:03] three.

[5:42:08] Any questions?

[5:42:08] Councilor rogers.

[5:42:09] >>coun. Rogers: thank you, MADAM

[5:42:09] PRESIDENT.

[5:42:15] Just a quick question.

[5:42:17] 270, how did we arrive at that

[5:42:18] many days?

[5:42:19] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: thanks for

[5:42:20] the question, councilor.

[5:42:21] That is consistent with the rest

[5:42:23] of the charter.

[5:42:25] Since it was already being used

[5:42:27] elsewhere, we decided to use it

[5:42:29] here.

[5:42:30] >>coun. Rogers: thank you.

[5:42:32] Just wondering if the admin is

[5:42:34] good with the 270 days?

[5:42:40] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor,

[5:42:43] the consistency is useful in the

[5:42:44] charter.

[5:42:45] >>coun. Pe}a: councilor

[5:42:45] fiebelkorn and councilor

[5:42:47] champine to close.

[5:42:49] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: urge your

[5:42:50] support.

[5:42:51] >>coun. Pe}a: MADAM Clerk.

[5:42:53] [Roll call].

[5:42:54] Sgrb

[5:42:55] >>coun. Baca: yes.

[5:42:55] >>coun. Bassan: yes.

[5:42:57] >>coun. Champine: yes.

[5:42:59] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: yes.

[5:43:02] >>coun. Grout: yes.

[5:43:04] >>coun. Lewis: yes.

[5:43:05] >>coun. Rogers: yes.

[5:43:07] >>coun. Telles: yes.

[5:43:07] >>coun. Pe}a: yes.

[5:43:09] >> passes unanimously.

[5:43:11] >>coun. Pe}a: we're now on floor

[5:43:12] amendment labeled d in your

[5:43:15] packet on the top right-hand

[5:43:15] corner.

[5:43:17] It will be floor amendment

[5:43:18] number four.

[5:43:19] Councilor bassan.

[5:43:19] >>coun. Bassan: MADAM PRESIDENT,

[5:43:22] I'm not moving that one.

[5:43:24] Thank you.

[5:43:26] >>coun. Pe}a: we have p-2 as

[5:43:32] amended three times.

[5:43:33] Correct?

[5:43:35] Okay.

[5:43:41] Any discussion?

[5:43:43] Vice PRESIDENT Champine to

[5:43:44] close.

[5:43:44] >>coun. Champine: I urge your

[5:43:47] support for this one.

[5:43:51] [Roll call].

[5:43:54] >>coun. Baca: yes.

[5:43:56] >>coun. Bassan: no.

[5:43:58] >>coun. Champine: yes.

[5:44:01] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: yes.

[5:44:03] >>coun. Grout: yes.

[5:44:06] >>coun. Lewis: yes.

[5:44:08] >>coun. Rogers: no.

[5:44:11] >>coun. Telles: yes.

[5:44:12] >>coun. Pe}a: no.

[5:44:15] >> passes on a 6-3 vote.

[5:44:16] >>coun. Pe}a: okay.

[5:44:20] We're now on to -- oh, companion

[5:44:22] bill.

[5:44:24] R-30.

[5:44:25] Vice PRESIDENT Champine.

[5:44:26] >>coun. Champine: thank you,

[5:44:29] MADAM PRESIDENT.

[5:44:31] R-2-630 is the companion bill to

[5:44:32] the p-bill.

[5:44:35] Adopting the proposition to be

[5:44:37] steent the voters at the next

[5:44:38] election.

[5:44:40] Concerning amendment to article

[5:44:41] five section four of the

[5:44:42] albuquerque city charter.

[5:44:45] In regards to the city clerk and

[5:44:46] city attorney.

[5:44:48] This is providing the form of

[5:44:49] question and designated clause

[5:44:52] for such question.

[5:44:56] I make a motion for do pass.

[5:44:57] >>coun. Pe}a: there's a motion,

[5:44:59] and second by committee of the

[5:45:02] whole chair grout.

[5:45:11] Vice PRESIDENT Champine to open.

[5:45:14] >>coun. Champine: one second,

[5:45:32] MADAM PRESIDENT.

[5:45:41] >> we have francesco signed up

[5:45:45] to speak.

[5:45:47] >> just because you can do

[5:45:49] something doesn't mean you

[5:45:49] should.

[5:45:52] How many lifetimes would you

[5:45:55] need to forgive someone who knew

[5:45:57] you were innocent but broke the

[5:46:00] law to cover up having broken

[5:46:01] the law while tampering with

[5:46:04] evidence to put you in jail for

[5:46:07] the crimes they committed?

[5:46:10] I pray for theimate release of

[5:46:12] public records in the matter of

[5:46:15] mayor keller's illegal wall.

[5:46:17] Get your affairs in order.

[5:46:19] There's no statute of

[5:46:22] limitations on conspiracy.

[5:46:23] Otherwise, known as organized

[5:46:24] crime.

[5:46:26] Sooner or letter, the rule of

[5:46:30] law will come for you.

[5:46:31] Turn yourself in.

[5:46:39] MAY GOD for mercy on your soul.

[5:46:40] >> that concludes comment, MADAM

[5:46:43] PRESIDENT.

[5:46:43] >>coun. Pe}a: thank you.

[5:46:44] Councilor champine.

[5:46:46] >>coun. Champine: thank you,

[5:46:48] MADAM PRESIDENT.

[5:46:50] Just as the p bill.

[5:46:52] The companion part is changing

[5:46:54] the hiring interest the city

[5:46:56] clerk and city attorney to be

[5:46:58] selected from a committee

[5:47:00] composed of two from the mayor

[5:47:02] and two from the city council

[5:47:04] and they should make

[5:47:05] recommendation to the full

[5:47:06] council.

[5:47:07] Again it clarifies the mayor and

[5:47:08] committee will recommend to

[5:47:12] council the appointee to fill

[5:47:15] the city clerk vacancies within

[5:47:17] 90 days of the mayor's first

[5:47:19] term and successive term as

[5:47:22] mayor or upon vacancy of either

[5:47:24] one of the offices.

[5:47:27] Again, myself we wrote this -- I

[5:47:30] wrote this up and we have some

[5:47:32] amendments coming forth that I

[5:47:36] teamed up with councilor

[5:47:44] fiebelkorn.

[5:47:46] >>coun. Pe}a: we'll go to the

[5:47:48] floor amendments labeled a.

[5:47:51] That will be floor amendment

[5:47:51] wbnen.

[5:47:52] Councilor fiebelkorn and

[5:47:52] councilor champine.

[5:47:53] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: these are

[5:47:56] pretty repetitive from the last

[5:47:56] one.

[5:47:58] Floor amendment number one is on

[5:48:01] page three, line 12, on page

[5:48:02] four line ten, we just add in

[5:48:06] the language that says that both

[5:48:08] the mayor or city council can

[5:48:13] remove interim city attorneys.

[5:48:14] >>coun. Pe}a: there's a motion

[5:48:15] and second by committee of the

[5:48:17] whole chair grout.

[5:48:18] Any questions?

[5:48:19] Seeing none.

[5:48:19] Councilor fiebelkorn to close.

[5:48:21] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: urge your

[5:48:22] support.

[5:48:25] [Roll call].

[5:48:27] >>coun. Baca: yes.

[5:48:29] >>coun. Bassan: yes.

[5:48:30] >>coun. Champine: yes.

[5:48:33] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: yes.

[5:48:37] >>coun. Grout: yes.

[5:48:38] >>coun. Lewis: --

[5:48:44] >>coun. Pe}a: he's excused.

[5:48:47] >>coun. Rogers: yes.

[5:48:49] >>coun. Telles: yes.

[5:48:50] >>coun. Pe}a: yes.

[5:48:53] >> passes on an 8-0 vote.

[5:48:55] >>coun. Pe}a: we're now on floor

[5:48:56] amendment labeled b in your

[5:48:59] packet on the right-hand corner.

[5:49:00] It will be floor amendment

[5:49:03] number two.

[5:49:03] Councilor fiebelkorn and vice

[5:49:04] PRESIDENT Champine.

[5:49:05] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: thank you,

[5:49:05] MADAM PRESIDENT.

[5:49:06] I'm going to move floor

[5:49:08] amendment number two.

[5:49:10] Which for both the city attorney

[5:49:13] and city clerk clarifies the

[5:49:15] beginning of the mayor's term,

[5:49:17] whether the first term of new

[5:49:21] mayor or second term of the

[5:49:25] mayor or -- the mayor shall 90

[5:49:28] days to appoint to council fill

[5:49:30] the position.

[5:49:31] >>coun. Pe}a: motion and a

[5:49:34] second by committee of the whole

[5:49:36] chair grout.

[5:49:36] Councilor fiebelkorn and vice

[5:49:37] PRESIDENT Champine to close.

[5:49:38] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: urge your

[5:49:39] support.

[5:49:41] [Roll call].

[5:49:44] >>coun. Baca: yes.

[5:49:47] >>coun. Bassan: yes.

[5:49:51] >>coun. Champine: yes.

[5:49:54] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: yes.

[5:49:56] >>coun. Grout: yes.

[5:49:58] >>coun. Rogers: yes.

[5:49:59] >>coun. Telles: yes.

[5:50:00] >>coun. Pe}a: yes.

[5:50:02] >> passes on an 8-0 vote.

[5:50:05] >>coun. Pe}a: we're now on floor

[5:50:07] amendment labeled c.

[5:50:09] It will be floor amendment

[5:50:10] number three.

[5:50:16] Councilors and -- councilor

[5:50:18] fiebelkorn and councilor

[5:50:18] champine.

[5:50:19] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: I'll move

[5:50:20] floor amendment number three.

[5:50:24] Page three line 12 and page four

[5:50:27] line ten, clarifies both city

[5:50:29] attorney and city clerk can be

[5:50:33] interim for a total of 207 days.

[5:50:35] >>coun. Pe}a: motion and a

[5:50:36] second by councilor grout.

[5:50:38] any discussion?

[5:50:38] Councilor fiebelkorn and vice

[5:50:41] PRESIDENT Champine to close.

[5:50:41] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: urge your

[5:50:45] support.

[5:50:47] [Roll call].

[5:50:49] >>coun. Baca: yes.

[5:50:50] >>coun. Bassan: yes.

[5:50:52] >>coun. Champine: yes.

[5:50:54] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: yes.

[5:50:57] >>coun. Grout: yes.

[5:50:59] >>coun. Rogers: yes.

[5:51:00] >>coun. Telles: yes.

[5:51:00] >>coun. Pe}a: yes.

[5:51:03] >> passes on an 8-0 vote.

[5:51:05] >>coun. Pe}a: we're now on floor

[5:51:07] amendment labeled b.

[5:51:08] It will become floor amendment

[5:51:09] number four.

[5:51:10] Councilor bassan.

[5:51:11] >>coun. Bassan: I'm not going to

[5:51:13] move that, MADAM PRESIDENT.

[5:51:14] >>coun. Pe}a: okay.

[5:51:15] We'll dispose of that.

[5:51:17] We're back on the bill as

[5:51:24] amended three times.

[5:51:26] Back too

[5:51:28] -- any questions,

[5:51:28] comments?

[5:51:29] Councilor champine to close.

[5:51:31] >>coun. Champine: thank you,

[5:51:32] MADAM PRESIDENT.

[5:51:34] Just, again, to reemphasize like

[5:51:38] with had

[5:51:40] p-bill, and r is the

[5:51:41] companion bill.

[5:51:43] Certain situations took place in

[5:51:47] the past that promoted this idea

[5:51:48] of ensuring there's an

[5:51:51] independence between the city

[5:51:51] attorney and city council and

[5:51:54] the mayor's office and changing

[5:51:58] the hiring procedure to this

[5:51:59] committee to present to the

[5:52:04] council as wales -- well-as the

[5:52:06] city clerk but clarifying the

[5:52:08] times that the city attorney and

[5:52:09] city clerk need to be appointed

[5:52:11] with an interim deal.

[5:52:12] It's really trying to mandate

[5:52:14] the city attorney and city clerk

[5:52:16] have an employment agreement

[5:52:17] with the city that the mayor can

[5:52:19] terminate as well as the council

[5:52:21] can terminate based on a certain

[5:52:29] number of votes and because of

[5:52:29] actions.

[5:52:31] This also establishes the city

[5:52:33] attorney accountable to both but

[5:52:35] independent to the mayor and

[5:52:36] mayor's office and city council

[5:52:39] office as it should be and is

[5:52:41] not part either of the executive

[5:52:44] branch ear the city council.

[5:52:46] It promotes independence of the

[5:52:48] city clerk and city attorney not

[5:52:50] only have the freedom to

[5:52:52] represent both entities of the

[5:52:54] government, but also is account

[5:52:56] to both entities of the

[5:52:57] government in a very well

[5:52:59] balanced checks and balances.

[5:53:05] With that, I urge your support.

[5:53:06] .

[5:53:08] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, I apologize

[5:53:09] for the interruption.

[5:53:11] I just want to make sure we're

[5:53:12] ticking all the procedural boxes

[5:53:14] for the resolution.

[5:53:17] The charter requires when we

[5:53:19] have a p-bill going to the

[5:53:21] ballot that gets amended, the

[5:53:23] city attorney reviews the

[5:53:24] language contained in the

[5:53:26] summary on the resolution to

[5:53:34] ensure it is still consistent.

[5:53:35] This is the opportunity before

[5:53:39] we take a final vote.

[5:53:41] >>coun. Champine: I know the

[5:53:43] procedure I didn't know when to

[5:53:43] clarify that.

[5:53:46] We would need to check with the

[5:53:48] city attorney to make sure both

[5:53:51] match based on the amendment?

[5:53:52] >> I recommend we do that before

[5:53:53] we vote.

[5:53:56] If there are any edits we can

[5:53:58] make those before we make the

[5:54:04] final vote on the bill.

[5:54:05] >>coun. Champine: I think she

[5:54:10] has to go over it now?

[5:54:12] >>coun. Pe}a: can we defer it?

[5:54:13] >>coun. Champine: we cannot

[5:54:17] defer it in the time.

[5:54:18] >>coun. Pe}a: that's lot of

[5:54:21] pressure to read all that right

[5:54:22] now.

[5:54:26] Okay.

[5:54:27] >>coun. Champine: make a motion

[5:54:28] to table while the attorney

[5:54:30] reads it over it based on the

[5:54:32] amendments that both the p-bill

[5:54:33] and r-bill match.

[5:54:35] >>coun. Pe}a: there's a motion,

[5:54:37] and second by councilor grout to

[5:54:42] table this item, which is r-30.

[5:54:44] Until our city attorney had an

[5:54:49] opportunity to read the bill.

[5:54:52] [Roll call].

[5:54:55] >>coun. Baca: yes.

[5:54:57] >>coun. Bassan: no.

[5:54:58] >>coun. Champine: yes.

[5:55:01] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: yes.

[5:55:05] >>coun. Grout: yes.

[5:55:08] >>coun. Rogers: no.

[5:55:09] >>coun. Telles: yes.

[5:55:10] >>coun. Pe}a: no.

[5:55:13] >> passes on a 5-3 vote.

[5:55:14] >>coun. Pe}a: okay.

[5:55:18] We'll move on to --

[5:55:18] >>coun. Champine: MADAM

[5:55:19] PRESIDENT.

[5:55:21] I need to suspend the rules.

[5:55:23] I make a motion to suspend the

[5:55:25] rules to extend the meeting

[5:55:26] until 12:30.

[5:55:28] >>coun. Pe}a: motion, and a

[5:55:29] second by councilor grout to

[5:55:37] tengsd the [Roll call].

[5:55:39] >>coun. Baca: yes.

[5:55:42] >>coun. Bassan: no.

[5:55:44] >>coun. Champine: yes.

[5:55:46] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: yes.

[5:55:49] >>coun. Grout: yes.

[5:55:51] >>coun. Rogers: no.

[5:55:52] >>coun. Telles: yes.

[5:56:10] >>coun. Pe}a: no.

[5:56:11] >>coun. Bassan: MADAM PRESIDENT,

[5:56:12] I'll make a motion for

[5:56:30] reconsideration.

[5:56:42] >>coun. Pe}a: there's a motion.

[5:56:44] [Roll call].

[5:56:46] >>coun. Baca: yes.

[5:56:48] >>coun. Bassan: yes.

[5:56:49] >>coun. Champine: yes.

[5:56:52] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: yes.

[5:56:54] >>coun. Grout: yes.

[5:56:57] >>coun. Rogers: no.

[5:56:58] >>coun. Telles: yes.

[5:57:00] >>coun. Pe}a: no.

[5:57:05] >> passes on a 6-2 vote.

[5:57:06] >>coun. Bassan: MADAM PRESIDENT,

[5:57:08] I make a motion to suspend the

[5:57:11] rules to extend the meeting

[5:57:13] until 12:30.

[5:57:14] >>coun. Pe}a: there's a motion

[5:57:16] and a second by councilor grout

[5:57:20] to extend the meeting to 12:30.

[5:57:25] [Roll call].

[5:57:27] >>coun. Baca: yes.

[5:57:28] >>coun. Bassan: yes.

[5:57:30] >>coun. Champine: yes.

[5:57:32] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: yes.

[5:57:34] >>coun. Grout: yes.

[5:57:36] >>coun. Rogers: no.

[5:57:37] >>coun. Telles: yes.

[5:57:39] >>coun. Pe}a: no.

[5:57:44] >> passes on a 6-2 vote.

[5:57:45] >>coun. Pe}a: okay.

[5:57:46] >>coun. Rogers: MADAM PRESIDENT,

[5:57:48] if there's no one online we

[5:57:51] don't have to continue roll call

[5:57:51] anymore, correct?

[5:57:54] Just want to make sure.

[5:58:02] >>coun. Pe}a: correct.

[5:58:02] Councilor baca.

[5:58:04] Are we on that one?

[5:58:09] Yes, we are.

[5:58:09] R-56.

[5:58:10] >>coun. Baca: MADAM PRESIDENT,

[5:58:16] r-56, amending adopted capital

[5:58:17] im

[5:58:20] imalism

[5:58:20] im

[5:58:21] imimplementation program.

[5:58:24] I move do pass.

[5:58:26] >>coun. Pe}a: there was a

[5:58:26] motion.

[5:58:28] Was there a second?

[5:58:34] Second by councilor fiebelkorn.

[5:58:39] councilor baca to open.

[5:58:42] >>coun. Baca: thank you, MADAM

[5:58:42] PRESIDENT.

[5:58:44] This is the administration's

[5:58:44] request.

[5:58:46] If they have anything to say, I

[5:58:54] open the floor to DR. Sengel.

[5:58:57] >>coun. Pe}a: okay.

[5:58:58] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, I apologize.

[5:59:00] I was sleeping.

[5:59:00] I want actually.

[5:59:05] But I was reading.

[5:59:11] This item is -- I apologize.

[5:59:12] >>coun. Pe}a: I don't know that

[5:59:14] you need to open, open.

[5:59:18] I think we're good.

[5:59:19] >>coun. Pe}a: I'll go to

[5:59:21] questions by councilors.

[5:59:24] You have an amendment?

[5:59:25] Okay.

[5:59:25] Councilor rogers.

[5:59:26] >>coun. Rogers: thank you, MADAM

[5:59:26] PRESIDENT.

[5:59:28] I'd like to move floor amendment

[5:59:32] a, or number one.

[5:59:32] R-26-66.

[5:59:37] Page one, line 26, insert the

[5:59:37] following.

[5:59:39] Section 2, the following project

[5:59:43] scope is changed.

[5:59:47] Project title district six food

[5:59:48] security source of the 25 go

[5:59:49] bond.

[5:59:51] These changes add a project to

[5:59:52] provide rez

[5:59:53] sident of city council

[5:59:56] district six with a facility or

[5:59:59] locations to grow fresh fruit

[6:00:00] and vegetables.

[6:00:04] I urge your support.

[6:00:06] >>coun. Pe}a: is there a second?

[6:00:09] There's a motion, and a second

[6:00:11] by councilor grout for a floor

[6:00:12] amendment number one.

[6:00:18] Any discussion?

[6:00:19] >>coun. Champine: thank you,

[6:00:19] MADAM PRESIDENT.

[6:00:21] Just a point of clarification.

[6:00:26] Is the city providing the land?

[6:00:27] >>coun. Rogers: thank you, vice

[6:00:28] president champine.

[6:00:32] We're planting on different city

[6:00:33] location like community centers

[6:00:35] that already have gardens and

[6:00:37] also parks.

[6:00:38] We put council district six.

[6:00:40] The money was in youth and

[6:00:43] families, but we needed to put

[6:00:45] them at city locations we

[6:00:48] already have planned that exist.

[6:00:48] >>coun. Champine: perfect.

[6:00:51] Thank you for that.

[6:00:53] >>coun. Pe}a: does this come

[6:00:54] with the same time frame to get

[6:00:56] it done?

[6:00:57] >>coun. Rogers: yes, MADAM

[6:00:58] PRESIDENT.

[6:01:00] It would be included -- I didn't

[6:01:01] change the substance of the bill

[6:01:02] for the timeline change.

[6:01:08] We do have a timeline for the go

[6:01:11] bond already.

[6:01:11] >>coun. Pe}a: okay.

[6:01:17] [Roll --

[6:01:21] >>coun. Pe}a: all those in favor

[6:01:24] of floor amendment number one,

[6:01:29] say yes and raise your hand.

[6:01:35] We are back on the bill as

[6:01:35] amended.

[6:01:36] Councilor baca.

[6:01:38] Questions from councilors?

[6:01:38] No.

[6:01:42] >>coun. Baca: I urge your

[6:01:45] support.

[6:01:47] >>coun. Pe}a: all those in favor

[6:01:51] of r-56, say yes and raise your

[6:01:52] hand.

[6:01:54] Opposed, same motion.

[6:01:58] Motion passes unanimously.

[6:02:01] We're now on r-57.

[6:02:03] Dedicating state capital outlay

[6:02:04] funds to specific projects and

[6:02:08] spaces and requiring council

[6:02:10] approval of changes.

[6:02:11] I have to apologize, councilor

[6:02:16] rogers, I thought this -- I'm

[6:02:18] getting tired -- in this actual

[6:02:18] bill.

[6:02:20] I would have voted yes.

[6:02:21] We can't change it now.

[6:02:26] i would have voted yes.

[6:02:33] Councilor fiebelkorn.

[6:02:33] --

[6:02:35] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: I move do

[6:02:35] pass.

[6:02:36] >>coun. Rogers: second.

[6:02:37] >>coun. Pe}a: there's a motion

[6:02:38] and second by councilor rogers

[6:02:42] for do pass of r-57.

[6:02:44] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: thank you,

[6:02:45] MADAM PRESIDENT.

[6:02:49] I did not want to propose this

[6:02:50] bill.

[6:02:52] I still don't want to pass it.

[6:02:54] I have gotten to the point where

[6:02:56] I cannot get projects completed

[6:02:57] in my district.

[6:02:59] The administration just will not

[6:03:01] work with me.

[6:03:03] I have been in office for four

[6:03:04] and a half years.

[6:03:15] I have gotten one road capital

[6:03:16] outlay state project completed

[6:03:17] in four years.

[6:03:20] My breaking point came when

[6:03:21] capital outlay amount of money

[6:03:24] that I raised quite a few years

[6:03:26] ago, and it's very clearly

[6:03:27] supposed to be for three

[6:03:29] projects and the administration

[6:03:31] has repeatedly used for

[6:03:33] different project mchdz despite

[6:03:35] the fact that I'm willing to

[6:03:36] raise the money and I'm the one

[6:03:38] that talks to legislators and

[6:03:40] promised what the money is going

[6:03:41] to be spent on.

[6:03:43] That followed up with another

[6:03:45] project that they changed the

[6:03:46] place they're going to be

[6:03:47] implementing something without

[6:03:50] any discussions with me.

[6:03:52] I just don't think this is good

[6:03:53] government.

[6:03:56] I do appreciate the call from

[6:04:01] the cao today.

[6:04:02] So, I am going to go ahead and

[6:04:04] move the amendments and get

[6:04:06] things going.

[6:04:08] And I'll move for deferral.

[6:04:11] if the cao was honest about what

[6:04:13] she said in the call which is

[6:04:14] she's going to work with the

[6:04:16] city councilors that raised this

[6:04:18] money to get projects completed

[6:04:20] in city council districts.

[6:04:22] If that is the promise that is

[6:04:25] made on this dais, I will move a

[6:04:27] deferral to see how much we can

[6:04:29] actually get done before we hear

[6:04:30] this bill again.

[6:04:34] I would like to first move the

[6:04:38] amendment to get the bill ready.

[6:04:39] >>coun. Pe}a: thank you,

[6:04:40] councilor fiebelkorn.

[6:04:43] I actually only have one

[6:04:44] amendment.

[6:04:44] Councilor rogers.

[6:04:46] >>coun. Rogers: thank you, MADAM

[6:04:46] PRESIDENT.

[6:04:48] This will be amendment on page

[6:04:55] two, after line 23, add and

[6:04:57] amend section one as follows,

[6:04:58] albuquerque teen recreation

[6:04:59] center.

[6:04:59] Same thing.

[6:05:02] Just want to make sure this is

[6:05:03] as intended.

[6:05:05] And so, just add additional

[6:05:08] state capital projects that was

[6:05:13] already approved by state.

[6:05:14] Worked with MR. Whelan and think

[6:05:16] we can do the same thing.

[6:05:19] Get to a good resolution before

[6:05:20] our next council meeting.

[6:05:21] I urge your support on the

[6:05:22] amendment.

[6:05:23] >>coun. Pe}a: we need a motion.

[6:05:24] >>coun. Rogers: thank you.

[6:05:26] I move the amendment.

[6:05:27] >>coun. Pe}a: there's a motion,

[6:05:28] and a second by councilor

[6:05:29] fiebelkorn for floor amendment

[6:05:30] number one.

[6:05:33] All those -- councilor bassan.

[6:05:34] >>coun. Bassan: MADAM PRESIDENT,

[6:05:36] I know that I received -- I

[6:05:37] believe it went to all the

[6:05:39] councilors regarding a potential

[6:05:40] for separation of powers issue.

[6:05:42] i'd like to ask for

[6:05:43] clarification on that.

[6:05:47] In addition, because of that, I

[6:05:49] struggle to -- it's not personal

[6:05:53] to anybody, but if there's a

[6:05:55] risk of separation of powers

[6:05:56] issues that I could potentially

[6:05:59] see this being, but I'd love to

[6:06:00] hear from the city attorney

[6:06:02] before I end up voting on this

[6:06:04] amendment or the bill.

[6:06:05] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: if I can

[6:06:06] clarify, there are two

[6:06:07] amendments coming up that

[6:06:10] address the separation of powers

[6:06:16] issue.

[6:06:20] >>coun. Pe}a: okay.

[6:06:24] We'll --

[6:06:27] >> yes, we did receive a message

[6:06:28] identifying two potential

[6:06:30] separation of powers issues.

[6:06:32] And I'll defer to the city

[6:06:34] attorney if I say anything

[6:06:35] incorrect based on that

[6:06:36] analysis.

[6:06:39] There could be an issue with

[6:06:40] giving a deadline to complete a

[6:06:44] work order of SEPTEMBER 30th.

[6:06:46] And then, an issue with section

[6:06:49] two of the bill which would

[6:06:52] require approval by the

[6:06:53] councilor whose district a

[6:06:57] project is located in to pursue

[6:07:01] a change to the project scope.

[6:07:03] And the issue raised there was

[6:07:05] that the initial project is

[6:07:07] approved by the council as a

[6:07:09] body and that can be changed

[6:07:11] with consent from one councilor.

[6:07:13] As councilor fiebelkorn

[6:07:15] mentioned, there are amendments

[6:07:17] later on in the ipads that

[6:07:18] weren't printed out because we

[6:07:20] couldn't get to them before we

[6:07:22] got this analysis.

[6:07:24] But we can talk about those

[6:07:29] further when we get to those.

[6:07:30] >>coun. Bassan: I guess have a

[6:07:31] follow-up question.

[6:07:35] Do those amendments relate to

[6:07:36] this particular amendment that

[6:07:39] we're currently discussing as

[6:07:43] well?

[6:07:45] >>coun. Pe}a: I didn't hear an

[6:07:45] answer.

[6:07:47] That was a yes?

[6:07:51] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, the

[6:07:52] amendment that is by councilor

[6:07:55] rogers is separate from the ones

[6:07:57] drafted by the response from

[6:07:59] notification from city legal

[6:08:00] today.

[6:08:01] >>coun. Rogers: thank you, MADAM

[6:08:01] PRESIDENT.

[6:08:03] I just kept the exact same scope

[6:08:07] that was approved by the state.

[6:08:09] So, we're not trying to --

[6:08:10] there's no -- I don't think

[6:08:11] separation of powers -- I'm

[6:08:13] trying to make sure the word I

[6:08:15] gave to my legislator of how we

[6:08:16] spend this money.

[6:08:19] I'm not doing it for all the

[6:08:21] capital we have at the city in

[6:08:22] my district, just the ones I

[6:08:24] asked my legislators for funding

[6:08:27] for to make sure it gets spent

[6:08:28] in that way.

[6:08:30] >>coun. Pe}a: any questions or

[6:08:30] comments?

[6:08:33] I'll just say that, yeah, I

[6:08:34] voted wrong on the last bill.

[6:08:36] This one, I just can't support

[6:08:36] it.

[6:08:38] I'm glad to hear you're asking

[6:08:41] for two week deferral to figure

[6:08:42] this out.

[6:08:45] This bill asks for projects in

[6:08:45] districts.

[6:08:47] I know I have similar concerns

[6:08:51] in my area and I would actually

[6:08:53] do an amendment to this add to

[6:08:55] my projects to it as well like

[6:08:57] every other city councilor would

[6:08:59] do that and that would bog down

[6:09:02] the whole -- I don't know if

[6:09:06] that's good government to do

[6:09:06] that.

[6:09:07] I can't support the amendment or

[6:09:09] the bill, but I'm glad to hear

[6:09:10] it looks like there's going to

[6:09:14] be discussion and maybe some

[6:09:16] kind of concession.

[6:09:18] With that, if there's no other

[6:09:20] questions -- all those in favor

[6:09:21] of floor amendment number one

[6:09:28] raise your hand and say yes.

[6:09:30] Oppose, no.

[6:09:38] That motion passes on a 6-2.

[6:09:43] Now, we are back on r-57 as

[6:09:43] amended.

[6:09:46] And are there any questions?

[6:09:47] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: I have

[6:09:49] additional amendments.

[6:09:51] >>coun. Pe}a: oh, you do?

[6:09:52] There's more amendments.

[6:09:53] I'm sorry about that.

[6:09:55] I just don't have them in front

[6:09:56] of me.

[6:09:58] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: if they can

[6:10:11] pull those up please.

[6:10:16] While ware we're waiting I think

[6:10:16] the

[6:10:20] the up of times spent lobbying

[6:10:22] today would have -- this is

[6:10:27] floor amendment number two to

[6:10:27] r-26-57.

[6:10:29] And it deletes the requirement

[6:10:31] for work order for the one

[6:10:32] project that unfortunately will

[6:10:35] not be completed by this date.

[6:10:36] And unfortunately that means a

[6:10:39] project that is funded in 2023

[6:10:42] will have a contract expire and

[6:10:43] you'll have to get a new

[6:10:45] contract and the price will go

[6:10:46] up again.

[6:10:48] But, given the administration's

[6:10:52] time today to figure out what is

[6:10:53] a separation of power rather

[6:10:54] than moving the project forward,

[6:10:56] I'm happy to delete that line.

[6:10:59] I move that amendment.

[6:11:00] >>coun. Pe}a: there's a motion,

[6:11:02] and a second, for floor

[6:11:09] amendment number two.

[6:11:10] The second was by councilor

[6:11:11] rogers.

[6:11:14] Any discussion?

[6:11:16] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: I urge your

[6:11:16] support.

[6:11:17] >>coun. Pe}a: all those in favor

[6:11:19] of floor amendment number two,

[6:11:23] raise your hand and say yes.

[6:11:25] Opposed?

[6:11:26] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: thank you,

[6:11:27] MADAM PRESIDENT.

[6:11:29] I have an additional floor

[6:11:31] amendment.

[6:11:33] Number three.

[6:11:38] And this changes the wording

[6:11:39] from the individual city

[6:11:41] councilor representing the

[6:11:43] district to prior approval by

[6:11:45] the city council because I know

[6:11:47] that no city councilor up here

[6:11:49] on the dais would interfere with

[6:11:51] what's going on in my district

[6:11:53] just like I wouldn't afear with

[6:12:00] what's going on in their

[6:12:01] district

[6:12:02] district.

[6:12:02] Projects I raised money for from

[6:12:04] state legislators with promises

[6:12:07] of specific think

[6:12:07] gs in my

[6:12:09] district that would get done.

[6:12:10] I urge your support for floor

[6:12:13] amendment number three.

[6:12:14] >>coun. Pe}a: did we make a

[6:12:15] motion on that?

[6:12:16] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: I motioned

[6:12:18] and councilor rogers just

[6:12:18] seconded.

[6:12:19] >>coun. Pe}a: there's a motion

[6:12:20] and a second by councilor rogers

[6:12:22] for floor amendment number

[6:12:22] three.

[6:12:24] Is there any discussion?

[6:12:25] Seeing none.

[6:12:28] All those in favor of floor

[6:12:29] amendment number three raise

[6:12:31] your hand and say yes.

[6:12:32] Opposed, no.

[6:12:34] Motion carries unanimously.

[6:12:38] We're back on the bill as

[6:12:44] amended.

[6:12:45] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: before I

[6:12:47] close, I'd like to hear from the

[6:12:48] cao to get the promises that

[6:12:50] were made on the phone today on

[6:12:51] the public record.

[6:12:53] And make sure that there's going

[6:12:57] to be some movement on some of

[6:12:59] the projects before the next

[6:13:03] meeting because I do believe

[6:13:05] despite of all of the phone

[6:13:08] calls, I can get this bill

[6:13:10] passed and get the money spent

[6:13:13] the way I want it spent.

[6:13:14] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor

[6:13:16] fiebelkorn, we had a

[6:13:17] conversation today by phone

[6:13:18] discussing the items -- the

[6:13:21] projects listed in here and some

[6:13:23] of the concerns that were raised

[6:13:24] and addressed through

[6:13:25] amendments.

[6:13:27] I made that commitment to you

[6:13:30] today to work on those projects

[6:13:33] to move them forward and get us

[6:13:34] moving long.

[6:13:36] You and I talked about the

[6:13:37] specific median project that had

[6:13:40] the date in it, which we had the

[6:13:41] debate of the conversation

[6:13:44] related to the department's

[6:13:46] selection of medians within that

[6:13:49] scope based upon the demand and

[6:13:51] need for specific improvements

[6:13:55] and conditions being weighed.

[6:13:58] And the department weighing

[6:13:59] conditions of the ones

[6:14:00] identified were severely worse.

[6:14:02] We had that conversation as well

[6:14:04] around the pricing changes that

[6:14:07] occur when we delay and how we

[6:14:09] can think through getting these

[6:14:11] projects done.

[6:14:13] I think I -- because I want to

[6:14:14] make sure I say it on the

[6:14:14] record.

[6:14:17] I support the department's

[6:14:19] prioritization of the medians

[6:14:21] that were without water, without

[6:14:24] irrigation, and without the

[6:14:26] needs for that area and

[6:14:27] understand that we're going to

[6:14:29] work together to get the

[6:14:31] projects moving and moving as

[6:14:33] quickly as we can.

[6:14:35] I couldn't promise the date, but

[6:14:36] we'll move the project along in

[6:14:38] the medians.

[6:14:39] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: I just want

[6:14:42] to clarify, in this bill it's a

[6:14:44] very specific section of the

[6:14:44] medians that will be moved

[6:14:45] forward.

[6:14:48] If you're not willing to commit

[6:14:50] to that, I'm not going to move

[6:14:50] deferral.

[6:14:52] I'm just going to pass the bill.

[6:14:55] Are we going to work on the

[6:14:56] project that I have promised the

[6:14:59] community and the state capital

[6:15:01] outlay providers?

[6:15:03] >> what I said to you this

[6:15:05] morning is we moved forward on

[6:15:07] those that you announced.

[6:15:08] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: it's going

[6:15:10] to be what is in this bill that

[6:15:11] we're going to be working

[6:15:12] together on.

[6:15:14] I want to clarify there are two

[6:15:16] items in there for councilor

[6:15:17] rogers and I expect those would

[6:15:19] be considered part of this bill

[6:15:21] and movement on those projects

[6:15:23] would also happen.

[6:15:25] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor

[6:15:25] fiebelkorn, I believe that we

[6:15:29] are working on those projects

[6:15:30] actively right now.

[6:15:32] I have no concern about those.

[6:15:34] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: and lastly,

[6:15:36] I want to, again, say how

[6:15:38] incredibly frustrating it is to

[6:15:42] be accused of stealing by staff

[6:15:44] and I appreciate that you said

[6:15:46] that was wrong, but I think you

[6:15:49] need to do more to clarify with

[6:15:53] staff how capital outlay works

[6:15:54] and when a city councilor up

[6:15:56] here goes and gets capital

[6:15:57] outlay money and they wanted to

[6:15:59] be used for what they promised,

[6:16:01] that is not stealing.

[6:16:03] In any way, shape or form.

[6:16:06] And the idea that was said and

[6:16:08] backed up by a department

[6:16:10] director is unconscionable and I

[6:16:12] don't expect it to happen again.

[6:16:13] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor

[6:16:15] fiebelkorn, as we said today, I

[6:16:18] felt that the words -- the word

[6:16:20] of stealing was definitely

[6:16:23] inappropriate use of that word.

[6:16:25] And I can't speak to exactly how

[6:16:26] it was discussed.

[6:16:30] As I said, I apologize for that

[6:16:32] choice of words.

[6:16:33] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: thank you.

[6:16:35] Given this commitment on the

[6:16:37] record by the cao to move

[6:16:38] something forward in district

[6:16:40] seven, and so that I can report

[6:16:42] back to my constituents that

[6:16:44] I've gotten more than one

[6:16:46] project finished in four and a

[6:16:48] half years, I'll move deferral

[6:16:50] for two weeks.

[6:16:51] >>coun. Pe}a: there's a motion

[6:16:55] and a second for deferral.

[6:17:00] [Inaudible].

[6:17:01] >>coun. Grout: thank you, MADAM

[6:17:01] PRESIDENT.

[6:17:03] I appreciate you bringing this

[6:17:03] forward.

[6:17:09] And also deferring it.

[6:17:14] My question is, respectfully, is

[6:17:17] this going to push our projects

[6:17:20] to the side?

[6:17:21] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor

[6:17:23] grout, I think our department is

[6:17:25] incredibly capable of managing

[6:17:26] projects.

[6:17:29] I know that we are all

[6:17:30] frustrated with many projects

[6:17:31] taking longer than we wanted.

[6:17:34] I think we had a conversation, I

[6:17:35] can't remember which councilor,

[6:17:40] around the ordering and backlogs

[6:17:42] we've had.

[6:17:44] I've also had conversations

[6:17:45] about the ways in which we can

[6:17:47] provide updates on projects and

[6:17:50] I think that we have had

[6:17:53] improvement in that space with

[6:17:55] other staff attending meetings.

[6:17:56] we're open to thinking through

[6:17:58] other ways to continue to give

[6:17:59] updates.

[6:18:00] I would like to move projects

[6:18:05] just as fast as anyone of you

[6:18:05] councilors.

[6:18:07] I might be one of the most

[6:18:09] impatient people in regards to

[6:18:10] getting projects moving and

[6:18:11] getting things done.

[6:18:13] I'm moted in the same way.

[6:18:15] I can't promise you what this

[6:18:17] actually impact is for any

[6:18:17] project.

[6:18:21] Does that make sense?

[6:18:22] I can promise you we're paying

[6:18:24] attention to all of our projects

[6:18:26] and moving forward.

[6:18:27] My commitment to councilor

[6:18:28] fiebelkorn today was to look at

[6:18:30] the projects in her district and

[6:18:34] make sure we aren't unbalanced

[6:18:35] in where we're getting work

[6:18:36] done.

[6:18:38] >>coun. Grout: MAY I follow up?

[6:18:40] Can you get me a timeline of

[6:18:44] when the roads that have been

[6:18:46] announced that they would be

[6:18:47] surfaced in my district.

[6:18:49] I've asked for that a few times

[6:18:50] and I haven't gotten it.

[6:18:51] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, we'll

[6:18:53] provide an update for you.

[6:18:54] >>coun. Grout: thank you.

[6:18:57] >>coun. Pe}a: before we go to

[6:19:00] it -- I will add a couple

[6:19:00] comments.

[6:19:02] The first one is the same that

[6:19:04] councilor grout just asked.

[6:19:07] My projects are moving -- we're

[6:19:09] moving these up or around, and I

[6:19:10] don't know where they fall.

[6:19:12] Is that going to delay my

[6:19:13] projects?

[6:19:15] If that's the case, I'd like

[6:19:17] some surety that's not going to

[6:19:18] happen.

[6:19:20] If that's going to happen I'll

[6:19:23] have some of amendments to add

[6:19:28] to this as well.

[6:19:30] i think some of the comments are

[6:19:32] threatening to holdia

[6:19:32] ia

[6:19:36] ia you to a

[6:19:38] certain standard and using you

[6:19:40] have the votes here.

[6:19:42] That goes against quorum issues.

[6:19:43] I don't think that anybody of us

[6:19:45] can rely and say you do this

[6:19:46] because I have the votes.

[6:19:49] I think that's a very concerning

[6:19:55] language to be used.

[6:19:59] I understand the councilor.

[6:20:01] I am there.

[6:20:02] I have projects.

[6:20:04] It's road paving.

[6:20:07] Yeah, that's very alarming to

[6:20:07] me.

[6:20:09] Anyway, there's a motion --

[6:20:10] councilor fiebelkorn to close.

[6:20:11] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: thank you,

[6:20:12] MADAM PRESIDENT.

[6:20:14] I stand by everything I said.

[6:20:16] Today is the first time I've

[6:20:19] gotten actually updates on

[6:20:21] projects and movement forward.

[6:20:23] If this is what it takes to get

[6:20:24] something done for my district,

[6:20:28] I will do it again and again.

[6:20:30] I do urge your support for the

[6:20:30] deferral.

[6:20:33] And I hope that we can withdraw

[6:20:37] the bill when we come pack.

[6:20:37] -- back.

[6:20:39] That remains to be seen.

[6:20:41] >>coun. Pe}a: motion and second

[6:20:43] for two-week deferral.

[6:20:46] All those in favor say yes and

[6:20:49] raise your hand.

[6:20:50] Passes unanimously.

[6:20:54] I think we need a motion to

[6:20:55] untable.

[6:20:55] >>coun. Champine: I make a

[6:20:58] motion to untable r-26-30.

[6:20:59] >>coun. Pe}a: there's a motion

[6:21:05] and a second to untable r-30 by

[6:21:09] councilor rogers.

[6:21:09] Vice PRESIDENT Champine.

[6:21:10] Any discussion?

[6:21:13] Seeing none.

[6:21:14] questions?

[6:21:15] All those -- no?

[6:21:17] >>coun. Bassan: I have a

[6:21:17] question.

[6:21:19] I thought that the reason we

[6:21:21] tabled it was because why need

[6:21:22] the city attorney to approve

[6:21:24] whether or not it was accurate

[6:21:24] or not.

[6:21:25] >>coun. Pe}a: correct.

[6:21:30] We had to untable the bill.

[6:21:32] >>coun. Bassan: thank you.

[6:21:34] >>coun. Pe}a: we're all getting

[6:21:34] tired.

[6:21:36] Our first meeting back and not

[6:21:39] being up like this, I think it's

[6:21:41] taking a toll on all of us.

[6:21:44] All those in favor of untabling

[6:21:47] r-30, raise your hand and say

[6:21:47] yes.

[6:21:48] Opposed, same motion.

[6:21:52] Motion passes unanimously.

[6:21:53] Vice PRESIDENT Champine.

[6:21:54] >>coun. Champine: I do believe

[6:21:57] our city attorney has reviewed

[6:22:01] both p-bill and r-resolution and

[6:22:04] confirmed they're matching and

[6:22:05] good to go.

[6:22:08] I'll look to her for

[6:22:08] confirmation.

[6:22:10] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, that's

[6:22:10] correct.

[6:22:13] I met with MS. Coulloudon to

[6:22:15] discuss amendments that would

[6:22:16] streamline this process to

[6:22:18] eliminate the need for both the

[6:22:19] resolution and p-bill.

[6:22:21] Including eliminating the

[6:22:22] summary itself which is actually

[6:22:25] no longer necessary in

[6:22:27] conforming to state law.

[6:22:28] I think we should move forward

[6:22:30] with those and make it easier on

[6:22:33] the council.

[6:22:36] >>coun. Pe}a: we have

[6:22:37] confirmation.

[6:22:38] Vice PRESIDENT Champine, if

[6:22:40] there's no questions from

[6:22:40] councilors, vice PRESIDENT

[6:22:41] Champine to close.

[6:22:43] >>coun. Champine: I urge your

[6:22:43] support.

[6:22:45] >>coun. Pe}a: we are now on the

[6:22:49] final passage of r-30.

[6:22:52] All -- as amended.

[6:22:53] Three times.

[6:22:55] All those in favor say yes and

[6:22:57] raise your hand.

[6:23:00] Opposed, no.

[6:23:02] I meant to say no.

[6:23:04] That's how tired I am.

[6:23:09] I'm a no.

[6:23:19] 5-3.

[6:23:21] There being no further business,

[6:23:23] this city council meeting is

City Council on 2026-08-03 5:00 PM - TWENTY-SEVENTH COUNCIL - FIFTEENTH MEETING

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