[0:08] That's a good question though.

[0:10] I don't think I'm going

[0:11] to go directly into it.

[0:13] We can bring it up

[0:14] through the comments.

[0:16] Oh, geez. Good evening.

[0:17] I would like to call this

[0:18] meeting to order at 7 p.m.

[0:20] Welcome to the August 24th

[0:21] City of Burlingame Planning

[0:23] Commission meeting.

[0:25] For all in attendance today,

[0:26] please note that this

[0:27] Planning Commission meeting is

[0:28] being held in person and using

[0:30] the Zoom webinar format.

[0:32] Please note that we are not

[0:33] accepting remote public comment

[0:34] during commission meetings.

[0:36] Agenda item two, roll call.

[0:38] Commission should note that all

[0:39] members of the commission are

[0:40] present this evening.

[0:43] Agenda item three, report

[0:44] of remote participation.

[0:46] There are no commissioners

[0:47] participating remotely.

[0:49] Agenda item four, review

[0:51] of agenda.

[0:53] Staff, are there any other

[0:54] changes to the agenda?

[0:55] No.

[0:56] Thank you.

[0:58] Are there any recusals?

[1:00] No.

[1:01] Okay.

[1:03] Agenda item five, public

[1:04] comments non-agenda.

[1:05] Members of the public may speak

[1:07] about any item not

[1:08] on the agenda.

[1:10] Members of the public wishing

[1:11] to suggest an item

[1:12] for a future Planning

[1:14] Commission agenda may do so

[1:15] during this public comment

[1:16] period.

[1:17] The Ralph Brown Act, the state

[1:18] local agency open meeting law,

[1:19] prohibits the Planning

[1:20] Commission from acting

[1:21] on any matter that is not

[1:23] on the agenda.

[1:24] Speakers are limited

[1:25] to three minutes each.

[1:26] Do we have any members

[1:27] of the public attending

[1:28] in person who wish to speak

[1:30] on any item that is not

[1:31] on our agenda?

[1:34] Seeing none.

[1:36] Next item is agenda item six,

[1:37] consent calendar.

[1:40] Items on the consent calendar

[1:41] are considered

[1:42] to be routine.

[1:43] They're acted on simultaneously

[1:44] unless separate discussion and

[1:46] or action is required

[1:47] by the applicant, a member

[1:48] of the public,

[1:50] or a commissioner prior

[1:51] to the time the commission

[1:52] votes on the motion

[1:53] to adopt.

[1:54] This evening, we have one item

[1:55] on the consent calendar, the

[1:57] August 10th Planning

[1:59] Commission meeting minutes.

[2:00] Any member of the public or

[2:02] Planning Commission like

[2:03] to pull this item

[2:04] for discussion?

[2:08] Okay.

[2:09] Seeing none.

[2:10] Any motions?

[2:13] Yeah, I'll move

[2:14] to approve the minutes from

[2:16] August 10th, 2026.

[2:24] Did we get a second?

[2:25] Second that.

[2:28] I have a motion by

[2:29] Commissioner Pfaff, seconded

[2:30] by Commissioner Schmid.

[2:31] Will you please have a roll

[2:32] call vote?

[2:36] Commissioner Horan?

[2:37] Aye.

[2:38] Commissioner Lowenthal?

[2:39] Aye.

[2:41] Commissioner Pfaff?

[2:42] Aye.

[2:43] Vice Chair Schmid?

[2:44] Aye.

[2:45] Chair Shores?

[2:46] Aye.

[2:49] Motion passes 5-0-0-0.

[2:59] Let's see.

[3:00] Agenda item 7, action items.

[3:02] We have one item

[3:03] on the agenda today, a

[3:04] Conditional Use Permit at 890

[3:06] Cowan Road.

[3:08] If you are the applicant and

[3:09] are attending the meeting via

[3:10] Zoom, please raise your hand so

[3:11] that we may be prepared

[3:13] for you to speak

[3:14] at the appropriate time.

[3:15] If possible,

[3:16] we ask that you also turn

[3:18] on your video at that time.

[3:19] Are any commissioners not able

[3:20] to visit the project site?

[3:22] Or do any commissioners wish to

[3:23] note any ex parte

[3:24] communications regarding this

[3:25] project?

[3:27] I would just like to say,

[3:28] being completely honest,

[3:30] I drove by on the freeway.

[3:32] But I'm somewhat familiar

[3:34] because I do some work

[3:35] out there, so drive by.

[3:38] Thank you.

[3:41] Let the record note that all

[3:42] commissioners have more or less

[3:43] visited the project site.

[3:45] Can we hear the staff report,

[3:47] please?

[3:48] Yes.

[3:49] Good evening, commissioners.

[3:56] This subject property is zoned

[3:58] as I.I. and is designated as

[4:00] I.I. under the general plan.

[4:01] It is located

[4:03] on the northeast corner of

[4:04] Gilbreth and Cowan Road and is

[4:06] on a 2.108 acre site.

[4:09] Currently, there is an existing

[4:10] multi-tenant commercial

[4:12] building with suites A

[4:14] through J and 105 surface

[4:17] parking spaces are provided.

[4:18] Surrounding uses include a

[4:21] hotel to the north, Highway

[4:23] 101 to the west,

[4:24] industrial and office uses

[4:26] to the east and south, and

[4:28] within the existing commercial

[4:30] building, there is a variety

[4:31] of office and warehouse uses.

[4:37] Some brief history

[4:38] on this project.

[4:40] In June 2024, a minor use

[4:41] permit was approved

[4:43] for the existing dance studio

[4:45] on site.

[4:46] And at that time, it was

[4:48] categorized as small scale

[4:49] commercial recreation.

[4:50] However, in April

[4:52] of this year, as you know,

[4:53] the zoning code was updated.

[4:55] Under this update, small scale

[4:56] and large scale commercial

[4:58] recreation were redefined based

[5:00] on square footage.

[5:02] Thus, with this expansion

[5:03] of the dance studio totaling

[5:05] to an amount of 9,100 square

[5:07] feet, it is now categorized as

[5:09] large scale commercial

[5:10] recreation, which requires a

[5:12] conditional use permit in the

[5:14] I.I. zoning district.

[5:20] Therefore, the applicant is

[5:21] requesting a conditional use

[5:22] permit to expand

[5:24] from the existing dance studio,

[5:25] which occupies suite B

[5:26] to the adjacent suite A.

[5:32] Here's the proposed site plan.

[5:37] And then here is the existing

[5:38] and proposed floor plan.

[5:41] The applicant is only proposing

[5:42] to do some demolition of walls

[5:44] inside the studio and create

[5:46] some new partition walls to

[5:48] separate new dance studios

[5:50] inside.

[5:54] The hours of the dance studio

[5:55] are from 4 to 9 p.m. Monday

[5:57] through Friday and 9 a.m. to 3

[5:59] p.m. on Saturdays.

[6:04] Staff has calculated the parking

[6:05] requirements based on the

[6:06] existing uses and finds that

[6:08] there isn't actually an excess

[6:09] of parking spaces provided of

[6:11] 19.

[6:13] Therefore, this project meets

[6:14] the off-street parking

[6:16] requirements.

[6:24] To determine compatibility

[6:25] of the expansion

[6:27] of the dance studio,

[6:28] you can see the CUP findings

[6:30] on this slide.

[6:32] And ultimately, STOT has found

[6:33] that this use is compatible and

[6:35] meets these findings

[6:36] for the following reasons.

[6:37] For one,

[6:40] under the general plan,

[6:41] complementary commercial

[6:42] businesses, including indoor

[6:43] recreation facilities such as

[6:45] this dance studio,

[6:47] are permitted.

[6:48] In addition, there are nearby

[6:49] commercial uses that exist

[6:51] in the area, and there are uses

[6:53] that serve youth such as an

[6:54] existing Chinese school and a

[6:56] math tutoring center.

[6:58] The dance classes at this dance

[7:00] studio are also provided

[7:02] primarily outside of hours

[7:04] of adjacent businesses,

[7:05] so they will not conflict.

[7:06] There are also no nearby heavy

[7:08] industrial uses that are

[7:10] harmful, and as mentioned

[7:11] before,

[7:13] adequate parking is provided.

[7:17] This project is categorically

[7:18] exempt from CEQA per Section

[7:20] 15301 and Section 15303.

[7:28] Lastly, staff recommends

[7:30] approval of this CUP

[7:32] with the following conditions

[7:33] of approval.

[7:34] That dance classes are held

[7:36] indoors only,

[7:37] that the hours are limited

[7:38] to what was stated before,

[7:40] that the number of students,

[7:42] employees,

[7:43] and parents and guardians are

[7:44] limited,

[7:45] and that the noise requirements

[7:47] in the Burlingame Municipal

[7:49] Code are complied with.

[7:55] Staff recommends that the

[7:56] Commission adopt a resolution

[7:57] approving the CUP

[7:59] for the expansion

[8:01] of the dance studio.

[8:02] Staff is open to questions

[8:03] at this time. Thank you.

[8:07] Thank you. Any questions

[8:08] for staff?

[8:12] Okay. I will open the public

[8:13] hearing.

[8:15] Will the applicant please come

[8:16] forward and state your name and

[8:17] anything else you'd like

[8:18] to add about your project?

[8:34] Good evening everyone. Can you

[8:35] guys hear me and see me?

[8:37] I'm joining via Zoom. My name

[8:39] is Michael Holmes.

[8:41] We can see you.

[8:42] Okay, great.

[8:44] No, I think that was a

[8:48] a well stated

[8:49] in terms of a good summary

[8:50] of our proposed project. So

[8:53] we've been operating

[8:54] in this location since 2024.

[8:56] It's a great location

[9:00] for our business. And I kind of

[9:05] just foresee our proposal kind

[9:07] of aligning with the, you know,

[9:09] existing uses in the area. So I

[9:10] don't have much

[9:14] to add other than that.

[9:19] Thank you. Any questions

[9:20] for the applicant?

[9:23] Okay, thank you.

[9:26] Do we have any members of the

[9:27] public attending

[9:28] in person who wish to speak

[9:29] on this item?

[9:30] Please note speakers are

[9:31] limited to three

[9:32] minutes each. Seeing none. I

[9:35] will close the public hearing.

[9:37] Any comments?

[9:41] I'll go. The use is similar.

[9:42] No real changes,

[9:43] just an expansion. And I don't

[9:45] see any ask that is

[9:47] above normal. So I think we

[9:48] should forward. I'll make a

[9:50] motion that we approve this

[9:54] project per the conditions of

[9:55] the resolution.

[10:02] I'll second that.

[10:05] Okay. I have a motion by

[10:10] Commissioner Schmid, seconded

[10:12] by Commissioner Lowenthal. Any

[10:13] discussion on the motion?

[10:15] Okay. Maybe please have a roll

[10:16] call vote. Commissioner Horan?

[10:18] Aye. Commissioner Lowenthal?

[10:21] Aye. Commissioner Pfaff?

[10:23] Aye. Vice Chair Schmid?

[10:25] Aye. Chair Shores?

[10:27] Aye. Motion passes 5-0-0-0.

[10:34] An action by the Planning

[10:36] Commission is appealable

[10:37] to the City Council within 10

[10:38] days of the Planning

[10:39] Commission's action.

[10:40] If the Planning Commission's

[10:41] action has not been appealed or

[10:42] called up for review by the

[10:43] City Council by 5 p.m.

[10:44] on the 10th day,

[10:45] the action becomes final.

[10:46] In order to be effective,

[10:47] appeals must be in writing and

[10:48] must be accompanied

[10:49] by an appeal fee as provided

[10:50] in the Master Fee Schedule.

[10:59] Next item is an Agenda Item

[11:01] 8, Study Session. Item 8A,

[11:05] Major Design Review at 8

[11:06] Channing Road.

[11:09] This item is being brought

[11:10] to the Commission as a study

[11:11] item for feedback and comments

[11:12] from the Commission.

[11:14] After comments, the applicant

[11:15] would bring the project back

[11:16] when they're ready,

[11:17] and thus no motions are

[11:18] required at the conclusion

[11:19] of the item.

[11:21] Were any Commissioners not able

[11:22] to visit the project site,

[11:23] or do any Commissioners wish to

[11:24] note any ex parte communication

[11:25] regarding this project?

[11:30] Okay. Let the record note that

[11:32] all Commissioners present have

[11:33] visited the project site.

[11:34] Can we hear the staff report,

[11:35] please?

[11:38] Good evening. Good evening,

[11:39] Commissioners.

[11:41] This application is for major

[11:43] design review and special

[11:44] permit for plate height for a

[11:46] first floor addition and new

[11:48] second story with a detached

[11:50] one-car garage.

[11:52] The existing property is a

[11:55] one-story, 1600 single unit

[12:02] dwelling on a 4,899-square-foot

[12:05] lot zoned R1.

[12:08] The applicant proposes

[12:12] to demolish a portion

[12:13] of the first floor and add 630

[12:14] square feet and a new second

[12:17] floor that totals 652 square

[12:19] feet. A total of 2,606 square

[12:22] feet is proposed, where 2,750

[12:28] square feet is the maximum

[12:29] allowed.

[12:37] The project also proposes

[12:38] to increase the plate height

[12:39] to 9 feet, where 8 feet 6

[12:41] inches is the maximum allowed

[12:42] for the second floor. Two

[12:45] parking spaces are required.

[12:46] One covered parking space is

[12:48] provided in the garage and one

[12:49] uncovered parking space is

[12:52] provided in the driveway.

[13:04] The project is subject to seven

[13:05] major design review findings

[13:07] and four special permit

[13:08] findings.

[13:10] Items for the Commission

[13:11] to consider include consistency

[13:12] with the design guidelines,

[13:13] compatibility

[13:15] with architectural style

[13:17] of the existing character,

[13:20] respect for the parking garage

[13:22] patterns, architectural style

[13:25] and consistency

[13:27] for the mass and bulk interface

[13:28] of adjacent properties,

[13:29] landscaping, and compatibility

[13:32] with the architectural style

[13:33] and character.

[13:37] Special permit findings include

[13:38] that the project addressed the

[13:39] mass and scale that are

[13:40] consistent

[13:41] with the existing structure,

[13:43] roof line, elevations,

[13:45] and consistent to the

[13:46] residential design guidelines.

[13:51] The residential design

[13:52] guidebook has nine components.

[13:54] Component number five addresses

[13:55] mass, bulk, and scale. The

[13:57] project should demonstrate mass

[13:59] and bulk to harmonize with the

[14:01] existing architecture and

[14:03] respect to the primary and

[14:05] secondary elements.

[14:13] While staff finds the proposed

[14:14] addition is compatible

[14:15] with the zoning regulations,

[14:16] staff has concerns

[14:18] with the integration

[14:19] of the house in regards

[14:20] to the mass, bulk, and scale.

[14:23] Staff would request the

[14:24] Planning Commission provide the

[14:25] applicant input regarding the

[14:26] project as it relates

[14:27] to the applicable criteria for

[14:28] design review and special

[14:30] permit application.

[14:31] I'm available for questions

[14:33] from staff. Thank you.

[14:37] Questions for staff? Sorry.

[14:39] Chair, I'd just also like

[14:40] to point out

[14:41] we did receive one piece

[14:42] of public correspondence from

[14:43] the neighbor and that was

[14:45] distributed to the Planning

[14:46] Commission before the meeting.

[14:50] Thank you. Question

[14:52] for staff? It's okay. I didn't

[14:54] see it, but that's okay.

[14:56] I'll just wing it.

[14:59] Yeah. So you should have

[15:04] received it via email. I

[15:06] probably did. I just didn't

[15:08] remember to look.

[15:11] If the neighbor does not speak

[15:13] under public comment,

[15:14] I could go through the points

[15:16] in the letter so the applicant

[15:17] is aware of them and the

[15:19] applicant as well. Thank you.

[15:24] Any other questions

[15:25] for staff? Okay.

[15:29] I'll open the public hearing.

[15:31] Will the applicant please come

[15:32] forward and state your name and

[15:33] anything else you'd like

[15:34] to add about your project?

[15:55] Hi, dear commissioners. I am

[15:56] the owner of 8 Channing. I just want

[15:58] to say a few words

[16:00] about my house.

[16:01] The house was built in 1917.

[16:04] It was over 110 years old and

[16:06] we did remodeling

[16:09] on the main house but not

[16:11] on the cottage and the garage.

[16:12] They are really

[16:15] in poor condition. My daughter

[16:17] lived in the cottage. The

[16:18] cottage is cold

[16:20] in wintertime and hot

[16:22] in summertime because

[16:23] of the insulation.

[16:25] There's no electricity cord and

[16:26] we had to use electricity cord

[16:28] from the main house

[16:32] to get electricity. So it's a

[16:34] fire hazard problem to us.

[16:37] That's the main reason we want

[16:39] to rebuild the cottage and the

[16:41] garage. Thank you

[16:43] for your consideration.

[16:47] Thank you.

[17:03] Can we have the architect,

[17:04] Ken? Yes, I'm here. Hi. Good

[17:06] evening, everyone.

[17:10] Just regarding the mass

[17:11] structure that the reviewer

[17:15] comment on the channing site,

[17:18] I propose to put a dormer

[17:21] to reduce the mass

[17:24] of it and also raise the pitch

[17:26] of the roof

[17:29] to match the existing pitch

[17:32] of the roof. So I believe that

[17:33] will reduce the mass of the

[17:35] elevation facing the channing

[17:38] road. Can you hear me? Yes, we

[17:42] can hear you.

[17:43] Okay. Very good. I'm not sure I

[17:49] can share my screen. I have a

[17:50] sketch of it.

[18:03] Okay. Let me see.

[18:07] Okay.

[18:23] Ken, you should be able

[18:24] to share. Okay. I'm loading my

[18:27] screen.

[19:03] Are you able to find the share

[19:05] button on your screen?

[19:07] Uh, I think so. Oh, yeah,

[19:09] the share button is not able

[19:11] to share.

[19:18] Let's see.

[19:25] You are a co-host, Ken.

[19:29] You should be able to share.

[19:34] Perhaps you can just verbally

[19:35] describe

[19:36] since you are unable to.

[19:38] Can I send an email

[19:39] to the planner later on?

[19:42] For some reason, the button

[19:43] that shows screen is unable

[19:45] at my screen. Yeah. Well, why

[19:49] don't you go ahead and describe

[19:52] what you... Basically, I will

[19:54] put a dormer, it's

[19:56] like a gable roof, gable

[20:00] dormer, facing channing row

[20:02] on top of the entry, not entry,

[20:06] I mean the doorway.

[20:10] If you sharing that...

[20:12] Let me see.

[20:33] Can I share the picture? I have

[20:34] my phone. Oh, yeah, yeah,

[20:36] yeah. Yeah, Kevin has a picture

[20:38] on his phone. I'm sorry. He can

[20:40] share it at the screen.

[20:55] Sorry about that. Thank you.

[20:57] Sorry about that.

[21:03] Is there anything else you'd

[21:04] like to add about the project

[21:07] while we're examining the photo

[21:09] on the phone?

[21:13] Another thing we would like to

[21:14] add is the neighbors talking

[21:17] about... There's a two Juliet

[21:20] balcony facing the window.

[21:22] First of all, you know that

[21:23] Juliet balcony is like 20 feet

[21:25] away from... More than 20 feet

[21:27] away because their setback is

[21:28] about 5 feet.

[21:30] And the window they mentioned

[21:31] about it is a staircase. So we

[21:33] are okay to take away,

[21:35] remove one of the Juliet

[21:37] balcony, but we would like

[21:39] to keep another Juliet balcony

[21:40] at the third bedroom.

[21:54] And the other comments

[21:55] from neighbor is

[21:56] about the tree.

[21:57] It's called the... I measured

[21:59] it. It's 30 feet away

[22:02] from the neighbor's fence.

[22:05] So I don't understand why it's

[22:06] going to block the sunlight

[22:08] to the neighbor.

[22:10] That's the second comment

[22:12] from the neighbor. Thank you.

[22:18] It's 36 feet away

[22:20] from the fence. Just share your

[22:22] phone one more time.

[22:25] I'm sorry? Okay.

[22:53] Okay. At this time,

[22:55] do we have any questions for

[22:58] the applicant?

[22:59] I have several questions.

[23:00] Maybe you can help me

[23:01] understand the use of the new

[23:02] addition because it has a

[23:04] second front door. So now the

[23:06] house has two front doors,

[23:08] which is usually confusing.

[23:10] And it's only bedrooms,

[23:12] so it's not like an ADU.

[23:14] I understand. The current

[23:17] existing door is

[23:18] on the right side. And we have

[23:22] a front yard.

[23:23] That's the reason why we want

[23:25] to keep that door to access

[23:27] to the front yard,

[23:28] to the side yard on Peninsula

[23:29] Street. If you like,

[23:31] we can close it,

[23:32] but it's more convenient going

[23:33] to access the front yard

[23:37] through that door instead

[23:39] of going around the house.

[23:41] So the new door will be the

[23:44] main front door?

[23:46] Right. The door in the middle

[23:48] of the house will be the main

[23:49] entrance.

[23:51] And it's bigger than

[23:52] from the other door. The main

[23:54] reason we want to keep the

[23:56] existing door is because we

[23:58] want to get access

[24:00] to the side yard. And we have a

[24:01] pretty decent side yard on

[24:04] Peninsula Street. We just don't

[24:06] want to go around the house

[24:08] to go to the side yard.

[24:10] Yeah, thank you. The bedrooms

[24:11] are rather narrow, 10 and nine

[24:13] and a half feet,

[24:15] and you're asking

[24:16] for a nine-foot plate height,

[24:18] which is already would be a

[24:19] variant. So explain why you're

[24:22] asking for a nine-foot ceiling

[24:24] height or plate height.

[24:26] Yeah, I understand it's six

[24:28] inches higher than the normal

[24:30] height. My daughter has asthma,

[24:33] so we thought the highest plate

[24:35] height would make the airflow

[24:39] better for her.

[24:41] That's the reason why we want

[24:42] to increase the height plate

[24:44] to nine feet high.

[24:47] Ventilation purpose.

[24:49] They work great. But

[24:50] on the second floor, just as a,

[24:51] you know, you could use

[24:53] coffered ceilings and take

[24:55] advantage of the gable space

[24:57] to make a higher ceiling

[24:59] without a higher plate height.

[25:01] Because of the massing

[25:02] challenge with this,

[25:04] it would probably be better.

[25:06] This is a question,

[25:08] so I won't go on. What's the

[25:09] use of the long porch

[25:11] on the side of the house?

[25:12] Because it's too narrow to be a

[25:14] deck and the stairs are rather

[25:15] steep. So I don't understand

[25:18] the use for a full width porch.

[25:22] That's only four feet wide.

[25:25] It's not that narrow. I think

[25:26] it's five feet wide.

[25:28] At this point, five feet wide,

[25:30] we can put our shoes there and

[25:32] some kind of storage spaces

[25:34] for us to go

[25:36] to the garage and side

[25:38] of the yard.

[25:42] And then the windows.

[25:43] There are a lot of windows

[25:45] for bedrooms and full kind

[25:46] of sliding doors,

[25:49] which is unusual

[25:51] for a bedroom. So is there a

[25:53] rationale for having the

[25:54] original design?

[25:56] Now the sketch is different,

[25:58] but the original design has a

[25:59] full sliding door, Juliet

[26:01] balcony facing Channing.

[26:02] We like natural light.

[26:06] That's the reason we have so

[26:07] many windows.

[26:08] Yeah, we have a sliding door

[26:12] in the bedroom as well as

[26:13] in the stand. We thought it

[26:17] would be better

[26:19] to have natural light

[26:20] in those two rooms.

[26:21] Okay. And the current use is

[26:25] just one small bedroom and now

[26:26] you're installing three

[26:27] bedrooms.

[26:28] So is it going to be the same

[26:30] use or a different use?

[26:31] Right now we have three

[26:33] bedrooms, two

[26:35] in the main house and one

[26:36] in the cottage. So we are

[26:39] tearing down the cottage. We

[26:40] want two more bedrooms because

[26:42] we want our parents to move in.

[26:46] My parents, they live in

[26:47] Chinatown

[26:48] in a small tiny room. They took

[26:51] care of me and my children when

[26:52] they were young and we wanted

[26:54] them to live with us. Great.

[26:58] Yeah, that's the reason why we

[26:59] want to have two more bedrooms

[27:01] in this residence. Thank you.

[27:08] Thank you. Any other questions

[27:09] for the applicant?

[27:11] Yeah, I have a couple

[27:12] of questions. On the elevations

[27:14] you show all new vinyl windows,

[27:15] but on the window schedule it

[27:18] says aluminum.

[27:20] They are all vinyl. I thought

[27:21] we changed them. Right now we

[27:23] have vinyl windows. I thought

[27:24] we changed from aluminum

[27:26] to vinyl. I just want

[27:27] to clarify because it had both

[27:29] on there. So you're saying

[27:30] they're all going

[27:31] to be vinyl?

[27:33] Yes, it will be. Yeah, even the

[27:35] addition, the new addition,

[27:36] they all will be vinyl windows.

[27:38] Are you changing

[27:40] out all the windows

[27:41] of the house?

[27:43] The current house has vinyl

[27:44] windows. But you're going

[27:45] to keep them?

[27:46] Yes. Okay. And then it says

[27:48] you're going to have new cement

[27:50] fiber siding.

[27:52] Are you sure the existing

[27:53] siding is fiber cement? A

[27:56] portion is wood and a portion

[28:00] is cement right now.

[28:04] Now, the side toward the

[28:06] peninsula is cement because

[28:07] when we bought the house,

[28:09] we made improvement

[28:10] on that side. We replaced all

[28:11] the siding. Those are cement

[28:13] siding.

[28:15] And on the channing side, a

[28:18] portion is cement and a portion

[28:21] is wood.

[28:23] For the new addition, we are

[28:27] proposing using cement siding.

[28:31] So would any of the existing

[28:32] wood siding remain or would it

[28:33] all be?

[28:35] We're not making any changes

[28:36] to the existing main house.

[28:41] So you could have some cement

[28:42] siding and wood siding?

[28:43] Yeah. Okay.

[28:45] And then on the northeast

[28:48] elevation, you have the stucco

[28:51] on the lower section

[28:52] intersecting

[28:54] with the existing, I guess,

[28:56] is that the cement siding?

[28:57] Cement siding will be

[28:58] on the second floor.

[29:00] On the first floor.

[29:01] So I'm thinking

[29:03] of the first floor right now.

[29:04] You have the existing home,

[29:05] which has, I guess, cement

[29:06] siding, or I don't know if

[29:07] that's the cement or the wood.

[29:09] A cement siding.

[29:10] And then you have the new

[29:11] addition

[29:12] with the stucco hitting that.

[29:13] What is that transition going

[29:14] to be?

[29:16] It's between the kitchen and

[29:18] the new addition.

[29:20] Yeah, I understand the

[29:22] location. How are you going to

[29:23] transition the two materials

[29:24] together?

[29:26] Uh, Ken, can you answer that

[29:28] question? I'm not a technical

[29:29] person. Sorry.

[29:31] It currently doesn't count.

[29:33] Yeah.

[29:34] Yeah, go ahead.

[29:35] We can do a three-inch reveal

[29:36] to transition the stucco. This

[29:39] is a request by the owner.

[29:41] For some reason, I don't know

[29:43] if he wants the stucco to be

[29:45] on that side particularly.

[29:48] Do you have a particular

[29:50] reason, Kevin?

[29:53] Yeah, I look at my neighbor's

[29:54] house next door. They have

[29:56] stucco on the bottom floor,

[29:58] and then cement board

[30:01] on the second floor. I want

[30:04] to match to their house.

[30:06] Kevin, just

[30:07] like the neighbor's house.

[30:10] Yeah, I understand. And I'm not

[30:11] trying to comment here yet,

[30:12] but the question is,

[30:13] of course, how do you

[30:14] transition those so it doesn't

[30:16] look like you just attached an

[30:17] addition onto a 100-year-old

[30:19] home? So I'll address that

[30:20] again in comments,

[30:22] but thank you.

[30:23] And then my last comment or

[30:24] question is,

[30:25] on that same lower roof

[30:26] of the stucco addition,

[30:28] how does that intersecting

[30:30] with the existing roof line?

[30:32] It looks like they're

[30:33] at the same plane, but they're

[30:35] slightly different dimensions.

[30:37] How do those, how does that-

[30:40] Can you clarify that part,

[30:41] please?

[30:42] I'm sorry?

[30:45] You're talking

[30:46] about the roof line?

[30:47] Yeah, the lower roof line

[30:49] that's over the, that's

[30:50] below the new addition on the

[30:51] northeast elevation and then

[30:53] where that intersects

[30:54] with the existing roof line.

[30:55] It seems

[30:57] to be either very slightly

[30:58] close to that roof line or just

[31:00] slightly off. I'm just curious

[31:02] of how you're going to resolve

[31:03] that transition. I'm sorry.

[31:05] Are you talking

[31:09] about that area? Because

[31:11] there's a rear side setback

[31:13] limitation for that. So that's

[31:17] why we have to reset that part

[31:18] and then we create a roof

[31:20] on top of it. Am I answering

[31:23] your question?

[31:26] I believe so. Okay. All right.

[31:28] That's it. Thank you.

[31:35] Any other questions?

[31:37] Questions.

[31:38] Right.

[31:40] So on that same face,

[31:43] the one that's along

[31:44] Channing, I was wondering

[31:46] about the, I mean,

[31:47] what we're commenting

[31:49] on is what's in front of us,

[31:50] not what was on the phone,

[31:52] but the gable that is

[31:56] over the,

[31:58] that second entrance. Is it

[32:02] right now, it's just kind

[32:03] of coming out and held up

[32:05] by corbels or something. So

[32:07] it's just by itself kind

[32:10] of hanging there, right?

[32:12] Actually, if you look

[32:14] at the sketch that Kevin just

[32:16] shared with you, that gable

[32:18] at the entrance looked

[32:22] like the overhang. We removed

[32:24] that. We pushed that gable up

[32:26] to the roof line

[32:28] to create more

[32:30] of the dormer feature of it.

[32:32] Right. But then, yeah,

[32:34] I get that. But then it's a

[32:35] pretty long stretch there down

[32:38] to the bottom. I think that has

[32:40] to really be drawn

[32:41] out properly for us to. We'll

[32:43] take that away already. That

[32:44] gable is no longer there.

[32:46] Okay. And I also had the

[32:47] question about the transition,

[32:49] the transition between the old

[32:52] house and the newer section.

[32:54] Because I guess you like the,

[32:58] your client, you

[33:02] like the stucco

[33:03] on the bottom. You mentioned

[33:05] that. But your, the old house,

[33:06] had that, have you done any

[33:10] new, is your siding new there

[33:14] as well? It's all new? The

[33:15] siding, some

[33:17] of those siding are new. We

[33:19] paste them. But what about the

[33:22] piece that abuts the stucco?

[33:23] Is that also new?

[33:26] The very end of the,

[33:28] on that same face that's

[33:29] running along Channing? So you

[33:30] got that right where the house

[33:34] is. Is it possible

[33:35] to pull up the renderings for

[33:36] the new real quick so we can

[33:38] both just make sure we're

[33:39] looking at the same thing?

[33:41] Thank you. Yeah. So if I'm

[33:43] looking at that, I'm looking

[33:45] at the gable on the, over the

[33:46] door that I was just talking

[33:48] about, directly to the right,

[33:51] there's the old house. I'm

[33:54] going to call it old house.

[33:55] And it is,

[33:56] has wood or siding that is,

[33:58] is that new? Did you put new

[34:02] siding on? Or is it the old

[34:04] siding? The top one,

[34:06] they are wood siding.

[34:07] They are old.

[34:08] The bottom one, above,

[34:10] underneath the window,

[34:12] those are new cement for

[34:13] siding.

[34:15] I don't think I understand.

[34:17] Are you saying, sorry,

[34:19] oh look. They were replaced.

[34:21] Yeah, they were replaced.

[34:23] Partially replaced. Yes.

[34:24] Okay. And then I guess I wanted

[34:31] to ask about the cantilever. I

[34:33] also had a question

[34:35] about the need

[34:36] for the height,

[34:37] that more heights than what we

[34:39] allow, but you answered that.

[34:41] The cantilever

[34:43] on the second floor, what is,

[34:44] why do you need the cantilever?

[34:50] It's just to have more space.

[34:51] The cantilever

[34:52] on your second,

[34:54] the second floor hangs over the

[34:55] stucco section quite a bit. So

[34:59] do you- Just break the mass.

[35:01] Is it a good answer?

[35:05] I'm sorry,

[35:06] I didn't understand. Just break

[35:07] the mass of the channel, you

[35:08] know, of the street.

[35:10] So we can have almost

[35:11] like overhang, like almost

[35:12] like a very local thing,

[35:13] we catch some shadow.

[35:14] So it won't look

[35:15] at the wall as one piece

[35:17] of wall. It look

[35:18] like two pieces.

[35:20] Let's break the mass.

[35:22] Break the mass. Am I answering

[35:24] your questions? Yeah, I guess

[35:25] so. It just looks, makes it

[35:28] look even bigger than it is.

[35:30] And then,

[35:31] and then I have a question

[35:32] about the decision

[35:33] about the window. Well, not

[35:36] really window sizes,

[35:37] but kind of. You have a,

[35:38] so you have the balcony there

[35:40] with the sliding door. I'm

[35:43] looking at the Channing side

[35:44] still. So I missed what you

[35:49] said.

[35:50] Did you, were you saying you

[35:51] wanted to keep

[35:53] that balcony and get

[35:54] rid of the other or vice versa?

[35:56] In fact, that Kevin has my new

[35:57] sketch on his phone. We put a

[36:02] two smaller window to the,

[36:03] toward the left side of that,

[36:07] of the new section.

[36:09] And we actually create a,

[36:12] put the balcony side

[36:15] to the right, to the middle,

[36:16] right on top

[36:18] of the entrance.

[36:23] Commissioner Pfaff, if I may

[36:24] very briefly. And the applicant

[36:25] has a new sketch. I also know

[36:27] that that has not been

[36:29] presented to the commission.

[36:31] So you may speak

[36:32] to it if you have something

[36:33] to say about it,

[36:34] but that is not really part of

[36:36] the record or what the

[36:37] commission is open,

[36:39] I thought.

[36:41] Right. Then I'm going

[36:42] to jump right

[36:43] to the last question. Was there

[36:45] a reason, I noticed

[36:46] on the front of the house,

[36:49] you seem to have, I don't know

[36:50] if it's their original or they

[36:52] were copied

[36:54] from the original. You do have

[36:55] some divided lights

[36:58] in the front, in the, in the

[37:01] side that faces peninsula. So

[37:02] it looks kind of more right.

[37:07] Yeah. So have you considered

[37:09] on this side, so it kind

[37:11] of all comes together better,

[37:12] some divided lights? I guess

[37:16] that's the way I would say.

[37:19] On your, you have lots of,

[37:20] we do have a light over there.

[37:22] Sorry? We do have a light

[37:24] over there.

[37:26] What's a better way

[37:28] to say that? Just partitioned

[37:30] grids, grids, grids, grids

[37:32] on the window. Yeah, gritted

[37:34] windows, because, you know,

[37:35] you have this 1917 house,

[37:37] which is quite darling.

[37:38] And then you have this other

[37:41] one. And the idea is that they

[37:42] look as, I think the idea is

[37:43] that they look at one,

[37:44] that they were, right,

[37:46] one thing. And so did you

[37:49] consider putting the grids that

[37:50] you have on the front

[37:52] of the house, bringing them

[37:54] around the side, so it kind

[37:56] of pulls all together? Have you

[37:57] considered that rather than all

[38:00] these much more modern, I think,

[38:04] more modern looking than the

[38:05] age of the house? Sorry, we

[38:07] never thought about it. We work

[38:09] with that in consideration.

[38:10] Thank you

[38:12] for your suggestion. It's just,

[38:13] it was just a question.

[38:15] We can only ask questions. All

[38:18] right. Thank you. Yeah. Any

[38:19] other questions?

[38:22] I had one more clarifying

[38:23] question. It looked

[38:24] like when I drove by,

[38:25] there's an existing chimney

[38:26] in the roof, but

[38:27] on all these plans, there's no

[38:29] chimney, but I noticed the

[38:30] fireplace is still

[38:31] on the plan. We do have a

[38:32] fireplace. And a chimney?

[38:34] Yes. Okay. And the plan is

[38:36] to keep the chimney?

[38:37] Yes. Okay. It is

[38:39] in the main house. Yes.

[38:40] Correct. Okay. Yeah. Sorry,

[38:41] it's not showing up

[38:43] on the picture. Yeah, just

[38:44] clarifying. Thank you. Yeah.

[38:45] So we're not touching the main

[38:48] house at all.

[38:50] We are just tearing down the

[38:51] cottage and rebuild a two-story

[38:54] building.

[38:57] Right. Any sounds

[38:58] like we're no more questions

[39:00] for the applicant? Okay. If

[39:02] that's the case, I will go

[39:03] ahead and close the public

[39:04] hearing. Thank you

[39:06] for being available

[39:07] to answer your questions.

[39:08] Thank you. Commissioners,

[39:09] comments? Don't you have

[39:10] to ask for public comment?

[39:13] Oh, no one's here, but. That's

[39:15] right. Okay. Anyone attending

[39:16] in person who would like

[39:17] to speak on this item? Okay.

[39:21] Just in case. In that case, now

[39:24] I will close the public

[39:25] hearing. Okay. Thank you.

[39:27] Commissioners, comments? Can I

[39:28] go? Yes. Okay. This design looks

[39:30] like two totally separate

[39:35] houses with two front doors and

[39:37] three different sets

[39:39] of windows, two different sets

[39:42] of siding.

[39:43] This is not a cohesive

[39:47] project. And so I think that

[39:50] you need to look at it in 3D

[39:54] because the elevations don't,

[39:57] are not helping the design

[39:59] at all. I would, I liked, you

[40:02] know, what I did see

[40:05] of the sketch, it's moving

[40:06] in the right direction.

[40:08] Cause I was going to

[40:11] propose that you actually

[40:12] switch the roof 90 degrees and

[40:15] have the gable end facing

[40:17] Channing, and then maybe do a

[40:21] smaller, dormer or pop out

[40:23] gable facing the other

[40:26] direction so that your pop

[40:29] out looks like a pop out and

[40:31] not just a much bigger mass

[40:34] on top. I, I don't think that

[40:38] the stucco is a good idea at

[40:40] all. I understand what you're

[40:43] saying cause I did see your

[40:44] neighbor's home,

[40:45] but I think given that,

[40:47] given the look of this house,

[40:49] there is no stucco there now.

[40:51] So introducing stucco on the

[40:53] addition just makes it look

[40:55] more like a second house. I

[40:57] would highly suggest keeping

[41:00] the two existing doors you have

[41:03] into the old house and not

[41:05] trying to do a new door into

[41:07] the new house because it looks

[41:08] like a new house.

[41:10] And I would actually then

[41:12] suggest doing a belly band, at,

[41:14] at 10 feet or so, lining

[41:18] with the gutters so that you

[41:21] then could get, your wall

[41:23] surface wouldn't be so

[41:26] vertical. The belly band would

[41:28] break up the materials, help

[41:30] give you two distinct floors

[41:31] of scale. And then wrapping it

[41:33] around the back side would then

[41:37] give you something to,

[41:39] some additional trim

[41:43] to make the pop out work and

[41:45] your overhang there.

[41:47] I think that the Juliette

[41:49] doors are too big. We don't

[41:53] really see those very often.

[41:56] And I would, I would,

[42:00] there's other ways

[42:02] to bring light in,

[42:04] without them being big doors.

[42:07] And you, and I think

[42:10] that the question

[42:11] of the windows is a good one

[42:13] and it's hard because I know

[42:14] you're trying to not tear

[42:15] down the existing house,

[42:17] but unfortunately in order

[42:19] to start to make this look

[42:21] like one house, you might have

[42:22] to make some investments. So it

[42:24] may be that the siding,

[42:27] you just need

[42:29] to bite the bullet. And if you

[42:30] want to go with the cement

[42:32] siding all the way around,

[42:33] fine, you can make that work.

[42:34] But I think keeping the

[42:36] combination

[42:37] of the cement siding

[42:38] on one side and the wood

[42:39] on the other, and then trying

[42:41] to come into stucco is going

[42:43] to be a mess.

[42:46] I don't think it's going

[42:47] to work. The other thing is as

[42:49] I think keeping the front door

[42:52] or the second door on that,

[42:55] Channing elevation will mean

[42:57] less infill and less

[43:00] siding that you can't match.

[43:02] Let's see where else was I. I

[43:08] think that the garage is better

[43:09] off with the siding. I don't

[43:11] think that, I just don't think

[43:13] stucco adds value to you here

[43:14] from a design perspective.

[43:16] The, yes, and I really

[43:24] would encourage your 3d, we'll

[43:26] help you guys see and design a

[43:29] little bit further on how well

[43:31] to bring the two together.

[43:34] When I first saw the

[43:37] elevation, it was,

[43:38] it killed me. And so I actually

[43:41] modeled it in 3d for myself so

[43:42] that I could understand how the

[43:44] shapes were coming together

[43:45] because I didn't want

[43:47] to come here and just say,

[43:48] I don't like it. I wanted

[43:49] to come here with feedback

[43:50] from what I would want

[43:52] to do if it were my project.

[43:54] And so I'm hoping that some of

[43:57] these suggestions will help so

[43:59] that then the next time you

[44:02] guys come forward, we're able

[44:04] to actually make a decision on

[44:06] the action and not then just

[44:07] start over

[44:09] with a whole new set

[44:11] of comments. So I'm hoping that

[44:13] I was helpful. Thank you.

[44:18] Other comments? Yeah. Thank you

[44:21] for saving this old house. I

[44:23] think it's, it's great

[44:25] to see that you're trying

[44:26] to renovate it,

[44:28] but we do want the new house

[44:29] to look cohesive and not

[44:30] like this was an add on that

[44:33] doesn't fit the existing. It

[44:36] currently looks kind of

[44:37] like a caboose, you know,

[44:39] caboose at the end

[44:40] of a train. so I agree with,

[44:41] everything my fellow

[44:44] commissioner said. I think he

[44:45] has a clever idea on, maybe not

[44:47] building a second front

[44:49] entrance, because it strikes me

[44:52] that you also have an entrance

[44:53] that's facing the garage,

[44:55] going into that new den,

[44:58] with that double slider. So you

[45:00] have a lot of doors in and out

[45:02] of a very small space, but it

[45:04] might help pull that elevation

[45:06] together if you don't have two

[45:09] main entrances. this house is

[45:11] one where I think not only

[45:14] don't you need a nine foot

[45:16] plate height, but you might

[45:17] consider an eight foot plate

[45:19] height and then use a coffered

[45:21] ceiling to take advantage

[45:22] of the gable space.

[45:24] So interior, it'll be a higher

[45:26] ceiling, but the exterior will

[45:28] read lower and it won't be as

[45:30] much of a vertical. I

[45:33] like the idea of, rotating the

[45:35] roof or the sketch looks

[45:36] like it's going

[45:38] in the right direction as well,

[45:39] but I would lower that roof

[45:41] line even more. For me, the

[45:42] window, there's too many

[45:45] windows, bedrooms, you know,

[45:47] there's a privacy issue.

[45:49] In addition to light,

[45:51] you could consider clerestory,

[45:52] which a lot of clients or

[45:54] folks are using,

[45:56] which gives light at the top,

[45:58] but gives plenty of wall space

[46:00] for flexibility on where you

[46:02] put furniture. I don't, love

[46:05] the side porch. I think it

[46:07] should either be a porch

[46:09] that's, you know,

[46:11] six or eight feet wide,

[46:12] but not the full width

[46:14] of the, the house. It, it seems

[46:16] like you'll need, railings

[46:17] in the middle for that from a

[46:19] safety perspective. And yeah,

[46:22] the overhang on that left side

[46:24] of the house is also doesn't

[46:25] work for me. It's, I'd almost

[46:28] rather that the house,

[46:29] that the column goes all the

[46:31] way to the edge of the house,

[46:33] and not have that kind

[46:35] of pergola detail. It just,

[46:37] it's, it feels disjointed

[46:38] to me. I agree with,

[46:40] wrapping the whole house

[46:44] in a, in a cohesive,

[46:46] clapboard. And if you want

[46:49] to use the, the cement board,

[46:51] that's fine. But to have all of

[46:52] these different surfaces is

[46:55] going to make the,

[46:57] the project look

[46:58] like a mishmash. Some

[47:01] of the materials are,

[47:03] are cheap and I think in

[47:04] Burlingame, you really want

[47:06] to invest

[47:07] in higher quality materials.

[47:09] So I understand your existing

[47:10] house has vinyl windows. We

[47:12] typically don't like vinyl

[47:13] windows unless they're a high

[47:15] end, product. So, work

[47:17] with your architect

[47:18] on that. I noticed the railings

[47:20] on the, on the porches are

[47:22] aluminum railings. Those tend

[47:24] to look not very nice. So just

[47:29] pay attention to those details

[47:30] and you'll have a much nicer,

[47:32] more, valuable house. The

[47:33] chimney is going

[47:35] to be a problem,

[47:37] because you didn't show it,

[47:38] but now you have a,

[47:39] now you have an,

[47:41] an addition that's

[47:42] above the chimney.

[47:43] So likely you'll have

[47:44] to extend the chimney above the

[47:46] addition and now you're going

[47:47] to have a pretty tall,

[47:48] chimney just stand, you know,

[47:50] in the middle of space. So

[47:52] you'll want to look

[47:53] at that closely, I think.

[47:54] If it's, if it's gas,

[47:57] then it's a different story.

[47:58] But if it's a wood fireplace,

[48:00] that I don't think that will

[48:01] work from a code perspective.

[48:03] Yeah, I think that's it.

[48:11] Any other comments?

[48:13] Yeah, I, I agree. I think it's,

[48:14] Commissioner Schmid has a very

[48:17] interesting idea and, would be,

[48:20] I, I can also picture,

[48:24] definitely picture something

[48:26] like that. I agree that the

[48:29] other sketch was a start. I

[48:31] think, though, in order to,

[48:34] for it to be looking like a,

[48:36] a cohesive building that came,

[48:38] you know, ideally it was built

[48:40] at the same time as the wall. I

[48:42] think, I think it would really

[48:45] be helpful to put that, to face

[48:47] it the other direction towards

[48:49] the gable towards

[48:51] Channing and all the other

[48:53] comments.

[48:57] I agree completely. So, so it's

[48:58] probably overwhelming

[49:00] to hear all this, but that's

[49:01] why this was pulled up in,

[49:03] in the past. This would have

[49:05] gone probably

[49:06] to a design reviewer,

[49:08] off site. So we're trying the

[49:10] best we can to help you. And

[49:11] fortunately, we have a lot of

[49:12] knowledgeable people here who

[49:14] can help you. So we hope,

[49:16] that's it. Thank you.

[49:21] Any comments?

[49:23] Yeah, not too much because,

[49:24] everything that my fellow

[49:25] commissioner said was, spot

[49:26] on and I agree,

[49:27] agree wholeheartedly.

[49:29] Cohesion is the word

[49:31] of the night. I think,

[49:32] that's really what you have

[49:34] to try to go

[49:35] for is how do we make, as

[49:36] Commissioner Pfaff said, look

[49:37] like this was the original

[49:38] intent of the construction

[49:40] from a hundred years ago.

[49:41] Cause I do appreciate the fact

[49:42] that you're trying

[49:43] to save the house. That is

[49:44] really nice to do as opposed

[49:45] to tearing it down, which a lot

[49:47] of people will do. So we really

[49:48] appreciate that, but we need it

[49:49] to be cohesive. We want it to

[49:50] look nice. and as commissioner

[49:51] Horan said, we do live in

[49:54] Burlingame and people do

[49:55] invest in nice materials,

[49:57] whether it be in the windows or

[49:58] the siding or the roofs or

[50:00] whatever the details,

[50:01] it doesn't mean you have

[50:02] to overspend, but it just,

[50:04] it has to look like it's

[50:05] supposed to be there.

[50:06] And that can sometimes cost

[50:08] a little bit more money than

[50:09] you may want to spend. The only

[50:11] other thing I would tell you

[50:13] is, forgo going to a structural

[50:14] engineer. I noticed these plans

[50:15] had a full set of structural

[50:16] engineering plans, which I, I,

[50:18] I feel bad because

[50:19] unfortunately that a lot

[50:20] of that's going to have

[50:22] to be changed. So I would

[50:23] highly recommend you go

[50:24] through this process with the

[50:25] planning commission first,

[50:26] get an approved plan,

[50:28] and then send it off

[50:29] to your engineers

[50:30] before spending the money

[50:31] with them. Because again, we

[50:35] can't approve it the way it is

[50:37] today.

[50:38] So there are going to be some

[50:40] fundamental changes that will

[50:41] change the structure. So it's

[50:42] just a word of advice. I did

[50:43] forget one comment, related

[50:46] to the, letter that we

[50:47] received.

[50:49] I don't have a problem,

[50:50] because the house is so far

[50:52] away from the, the lot line.

[50:53] We have houses that are four

[50:54] feet away and eight feet away

[50:57] with a driveway. This is 20

[50:58] plus feet. So I don't,

[51:00] I don't have a problem with

[51:02] that other than my statement

[51:03] that the windows are too big

[51:05] in general.

[51:06] But in terms of sight lines

[51:08] to the neighbor,

[51:09] that's not concerned

[51:10] with mine.

[51:12] But it might be fair to say

[51:13] to the neighbor that this,

[51:14] this is not a view area

[51:15] with any protected views. So

[51:17] the request for story poles or

[51:20] solar is not really what would

[51:23] happen in a location

[51:25] like this. And, and as was said

[51:27] earlier, the tree locations are

[51:29] actually significantly further

[51:31] away.

[51:32] And it were any other

[51:35] configuration

[51:37] without the garage being there,

[51:38] I would actually say plant more

[51:39] trees. Yeah. But, that's the

[51:41] way it is right now.

[51:43] I just want

[51:46] to say one quick comment

[51:48] about cohesiveness. So if we

[51:52] just took the old house away

[51:53] and we're just looking

[51:55] at the new part, we would

[51:56] still, I think,

[51:57] be saying the same thing.

[51:58] The new is not

[52:00] in itself is not cohesive. So

[52:02] take the, the old section away,

[52:03] just what is drawn,

[52:05] that probably wouldn't have

[52:06] gone through here very easily

[52:08] either. So, anyway, it just,

[52:09] just to rework, redo. Right. I

[52:13] would just like to add two,

[52:18] well, add one and a half quick

[52:19] things. I'd like to iterate,

[52:21] reiterate a previous comment

[52:22] about, windows with grids.

[52:24] I don't think we mentioned it

[52:26] in our specific comment,

[52:28] comment portion, but perhaps,

[52:29] taking a window that's already

[52:31] there and replacing it

[52:33] with one that are,

[52:35] have grids that kind of relate

[52:36] to the one on the primary

[52:38] facade or the one facing

[52:39] peninsula, that might add a lot

[52:41] of cohesiveness

[52:42] to the structure

[52:43] without having to do a lot

[52:44] of other reconfigurations.

[52:46] Just wanted

[52:47] to make sure that was mentioned

[52:48] in the comment portion. Thank

[52:49] you. And the other thing I did

[52:50] want to mention is, I noticed

[52:51] on the site plan, it looks

[52:53] like the current configuration

[52:54] of the fences does not change

[52:56] with the addition

[52:57] of the new primary, entrance.

[52:59] It might make it easier to

[53:00] understand the primary entrance

[53:02] as we're walking around.

[53:04] If the opening

[53:05] for the current primary

[53:07] entrance down by peninsula was

[53:08] relocated and that kind of,

[53:10] so that you're kind of led

[53:11] into it as you're walking by,

[53:13] I'm, that might've come

[53:15] out later in the process,

[53:16] but I didn't see

[53:17] on the site plan.

[53:18] So I just wanted

[53:19] to mention that pretty simple.

[53:20] But I think everything else has

[53:22] already been covered that I

[53:23] would have mentioned. Any

[53:25] other comments?

[53:27] Okay. As I, as I said,

[53:29] we are not making a motion

[53:31] on this. So, all right. Thank

[53:33] you very much

[53:34] for coming tonight. Thank you.

[53:36] all right. So moving on

[53:38] to agenda item nine,

[53:41] staff and commission reports.

[53:45] Are there any commissioner

[53:46] reports?

[53:49] Okay. Staff, do we have

[53:50] anything to share? Yes.

[53:52] Thank you chair or as a member

[53:54] of the planning commission,

[53:55] just would like to let you know

[53:56] that we did receive an appeal

[53:57] of the planning commission's

[53:59] approval of the project

[54:02] at 410 Airport Boulevard.

[54:04] That appeal was filed

[54:06] by a council member.

[54:09] So that'll be scheduled

[54:10] for a council hearing and

[54:12] at some point in the

[54:14] near future at a date

[54:15] to be determined. And then

[54:16] for our next meeting,

[54:19] which is scheduled for

[54:20] September 14th, if we have a

[54:25] meeting, on that date,

[54:27] it'll be to consider a,

[54:31] application for a new building

[54:33] on Channing, road where,

[54:35] excuse me, not Channing, Chapin

[54:37] where the Chase Bank is.

[54:40] So we are meeting

[54:44] with the applicant tomorrow

[54:48] to get out some final details,

[54:49] to address fire district,

[54:50] concerns, fire department

[54:51] concerns, and if we're able

[54:53] to work through those,

[54:54] we'll have it

[54:55] on the next agenda. Otherwise

[54:56] it'll likely go

[54:57] to the second meeting in

[54:58] September. So there's a good

[55:01] chance we will not have a

[55:02] meeting September 14th.

[55:04] And I'd just like

[55:07] to add that if you do,

[55:08] I won't be there. Okay. Thanks

[55:10] for the heads up. What did you

[55:13] say that you will? If we had

[55:16] one on the 14th. Oh, okay. Got

[55:18] it. Got it. Okay. If

[55:20] there's nothing else to share

[55:22] on the commissioner's side or

[55:24] the staff side, then I can say

[55:26] the meeting is adjourned

[55:27] at 7:55 PM. Thank you.

[55:30] Thank you.

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