[0:01] anonymously if you're not ready

[0:02] to file a police report.

[0:03] Whatever you're feeling is

[0:05] valid. You're not alone. There

[0:06] are resources out there for

[0:08] you. We stand with survivors

[0:10] and we are here to support you

[0:11] in whatever way we can. It's.

[2:12] Meeting to order.

[2:13] >> we have a quorum.

[2:14] This evening.

[2:15] Thanks to.

[2:15] You all for.

[2:17] Joining here in person.

[2:18] And those watching online.

[2:20] We'll start with introductions.

[2:21] Going around the room.

[2:22] Starting with.

[2:22] >> our city.

[2:24] >> clerk billy tons.

[2:26] Deputy city clerk andrea

[2:26] leslie, vice.

[2:27] City attorney.

[2:29] Good evening.

[2:30] I'm victoria wellington.

[2:31] I have the pleasure of serving

[2:32] you as a member at large.

[2:34] Joy mayo representing district

[2:34] three.

[2:36] Good evening and happy.

[2:37] Pride week.

[2:39] Charlotte dante anderson.

[2:39] District one.

[2:41] Good evening everybody.

[2:41] >> and.

[2:42] Mayor pro tem james mitchell.

[2:44] Good evening everybody rob

[2:45] harrington.

[2:46] Mayor marcus.

[2:47] Jones.

[2:47] .

[2:47] City manager.

[2:49] Kimberly owens representing

[2:49] district six.

[2:51] Malcolm graham district three.

[2:53] The wanted mayfield council

[2:54] member at large.

[2:55] Good evening, jd master arias.

[2:56] District five.

[2:58] Good evening.

[2:59] renee johnson.

[2:59] >> and I'm.

[2:59] Honored to.

[3:00] >> represent district four.

[3:03] Good evening mayor council.

[3:04] Member at large.

[3:06] Thank you and again good

[3:06] evening.

[3:08] We will start our meeting with

[3:10] items with consideration.

[3:10] Of the.

[3:11] >> consent agenda.

[3:13] Items before.

[3:13] >> we take.

[3:13] A vote.

[3:14] >> are there any uh.

[3:17] Comment or any for a separate

[3:17] vote?

[3:22] Council member johnson first.

[3:27] Council council.

[3:28] Member mayfield.

[3:30] We're both.

[3:30] >> trying.

[3:31] To get out of.

[3:32] Cabinet.

[3:34] >> cabinet whatever works I

[3:35] don't know to point.

[3:36] Item number.

[3:38] >> 23 please.

[3:44] Just pull for discussion, okay

[3:44] ?

[3:46] No no others.

[3:47] Council member.

[3:49] Johnson council member mayfield

[3:49] when you're ready.

[3:52] Thank you.

[3:52] MR. Mayor.

[3:53] Actually as.

[3:55] Had um I was able to tune.

[3:56] In on.

[3:58] Friday for.

[3:59] >> a check.

[3:59] In and.

[4:00] I've asked questions.

[4:02] So what I would like is.

[4:03] >> for staff to.

[4:03] Give the.

[4:05] Responses to.

[4:06] >> the items.

[4:07] >> that we were checking into.

[4:08] so I guess.

[4:08] What I'm.

[4:10] Pulling out for a separate

[4:10] discussion.

[4:12] Do you have the.

[4:14] Response for.

[4:15] >> what was said?

[4:19] 36.

[4:25] >> and my apologies for.

[4:27] Not having this up right now.

[4:29] Staff is.

[4:32] Looking number 4847.

[4:34] Thank you.

[4:37] For us to have.

[4:40] Full discussion as well as.

[4:41] Number 45.

[4:42] Trying to have a.

[4:43] Better understanding.

[4:46] So mayor.

[4:48] 45 4748.

[4:51] That I would like for staff to.

[4:52] Go over.

[4:54] The responses.

[4:56] >> that they submitted to us.

[5:01] Because I see 46 4748.

[5:04] But looks like 45.

[5:05] Which was.

[5:06] A very.

[5:08] Specific question.

[5:08] On the.

[5:10] 2026 tax collect the.

[5:14] Settlement statement that is.

[5:14] >> not.

[5:14] In here.

[5:17] So want to get.

[5:19] Those for a separate discussion

[5:20] please.

[5:21] So council member mayfield the.

[5:23] List that I wrote down from you

[5:23] was.

[5:25] 36.

[5:25] .

[5:27] 4547 and 48.

[5:27] Yes sir.

[5:28] Thank you.

[5:29] And um.

[5:32] I propose that we take a vote

[5:34] on the remaining items.

[5:34] Uh.

[5:36] And also given.

[5:38] the, uh, length of the agenda.

[5:41] Here um, in here in particular

[5:41] uh.

[5:42] My proposal uh.

[5:43] Intent would be to.

[5:44] Take up the.

[5:45] Um the.

[5:47] Items that are no longer.

[5:48] In consent, uh.

[5:50] During at the very beginning of

[5:52] the business meeting in the

[5:53] session in chamber.

[5:53] >> just.

[5:53] To fill.

[5:54] Some time here.

[5:56] Uh, any problem with that?

[5:57] Great.

[5:59] Okay, then we'll.

[6:00] Vote on the agenda.

[6:00] Items other.

[6:02] >> than those accepted.

[6:02] Second.

[6:04] >> and the items that are have

[6:06] been pulled out just for

[6:07] clarity in the motion.

[6:08] Are 23.

[6:12] 36, 45, 4748.

[6:15] Any further discussion on the.

[6:16] Remaining consent items?

[6:18] So there.

[6:18] >> has been a.

[6:19] Motion made and.

[6:21] Seconded to approve.

[6:22] >> the consent items other than

[6:26] those listed 23, 36, 45 4748

[6:28] all in favor raise your hand.

[6:29] Any opposed?

[6:31] All right.

[6:31] They pass.

[6:39] I believe we are now ready for

[6:39] the.

[6:41] Action preview.

[6:42] And I'll turn that over to.

[6:43] Our manager.

[6:44] Thank you.

[6:44] Mayor.

[6:45] Members of council.

[6:47] Uh, tonight we have uh, three.

[6:48] Items on the.

[6:49] Action preview.

[6:52] and as you MAY recall what we

[6:53] attempt to do.

[6:55] On the second.

[6:56] Monday of the.

[6:57] Month queue up.

[6:58] Some items.

[6:59] That MAY be.

[7:00] Voted on.

[7:01] On the fourth monday.

[7:02] Of the month.

[7:04] So right now um.

[7:06] What we have is coming out of

[7:07] committee would be the youth

[7:09] protection ordinance revisions

[7:09] .

[7:10] Model cities.

[7:13] Initiative grant and parking on

[7:13] .

[7:14] Sidewalk ordinance.

[7:16] Revision and mayor, if there

[7:18] aren't any questions I'd.

[7:19] >> like to proceed.

[7:20] >> with the uv.

[7:21] Protection ordinance revisions.

[7:23] Please do.

[7:26] So with.

[7:26] >> that said.

[7:28] Mayor, this coming.

[7:28] >> out of the.

[7:30] Safety committee.

[7:32] I believe.

[7:33] That um we would.

[7:35] >> have council member anderson

[7:35] .

[7:36] Tee up.

[7:37] >> this discussion.

[7:41] Thank you mayor and thank you,

[7:41] city manager.

[7:45] We are about to proceed to

[7:45] walk.

[7:46] You all through.

[7:47] The full council.

[7:49] Through our discussions and.

[7:50] Um, some.

[7:51] >> of the findings that came

[7:52] out of the public safety

[7:54] committee meeting that was held

[7:56] as a special meeting over our

[7:58] summer break as it relates to

[8:00] youth protection ordinances.

[8:00] um.

[8:03] >> we all have seen the video

[8:03] and some.

[8:04] >> of the news.

[8:06] Updates as it relates to teen

[8:08] takeovers and unfortunately um

[8:11] ,some of the challenges that

[8:11] have.

[8:13] Occurred throughout our city

[8:15] from north to south to center

[8:17] city and I've been working very

[8:20] closely with uh chief patterson

[8:23] and uh attorney jessica battle

[8:25] and dc brierley as well as.

[8:29] Uh dcm sean heath on how we can

[8:30] advance this topic.

[8:31] And so you'll get a briefing

[8:34] today from from the team on

[8:34] this topic.

[8:37] It's important to say that we

[8:39] will not be voting tonight on

[8:41] this particular topic because

[8:43] this we are addressing an

[8:45] ordinance that already exists.

[8:46] So this is for.

[8:47] Council's review.

[8:49] And council's opportunity to

[8:51] ask questions and delve in.

[8:52] And with that I will hand it

[8:55] over to uh, chief patterson and

[8:55] her team.

[8:56] Thank you.

[9:24] >> all right.

[9:25] Good evening.

[9:25] Mayor and.

[9:26] Council.

[9:28] >> I want to thank you for

[9:29] allowing.

[9:29] >> my.

[9:31] Staff and I to bring a topic.

[9:31] >> to.

[9:32] You that is.

[9:33] Becoming increasingly.

[9:36] Disturbing and that is the

[9:36] safety.

[9:37] >> of our.

[9:38] Youth and the community.

[9:38] In general.

[9:39] Due to.

[9:39] >> what we.

[9:40] >> have been talking about.

[9:41] >> which.

[9:42] Is teen takeovers.

[9:43] And I'd.

[9:44] >> like to take a moment to

[9:44] thank all the supporters.

[9:45] Who are in the.

[9:46] Room today.

[9:47] Those who are joining us in

[9:47] person and.

[9:49] Also online.

[9:50] And I'd.

[9:50] >> like.

[9:51] To begin this.

[9:52] Presentation by providing a

[9:53] video compilation that we

[9:55] shared with the public safety

[9:55] committee.

[9:56] When we brought.

[9:56] This topic.

[9:57] >> to.

[9:57] Them back.

[9:59] In JULY.

[10:07] Let's see if we.

[10:08] >> can get the video played.

[10:11] It was.

[10:13] >> like being in a movie.

[10:13] >> and.

[10:14] Scary all at the.

[10:15] Same time.

[10:17] What you're seeing is.

[10:19] Video captured by one of our

[10:19] viewers.

[10:20] >> is showing.

[10:21] The large crowd.

[10:22] >> of teenagers at camp.

[10:24] North in the park was shut down

[10:25] or the floodlights.

[10:26] >> were on.

[10:26] Vanessa bravo.

[10:27] Lives in a nearby.

[10:29] Apartment building and.

[10:29] Got caught up.

[10:30] In that commotion.

[10:31] Now another.

[10:32] Very serious situation.

[10:34] Happened at romeo bearden park.

[10:35] Early sunday morning.

[10:36] Cmpd says they were.

[10:37] Trying to enforce a youth.

[10:39] curfew when suddenly.

[10:41] Shut shots rang out.

[10:42] Officers say they found two

[10:44] victims who had been shot.

[10:45] They were both rushed.

[10:45] >> to.

[10:45] The hospital.

[10:46] >> but we are.

[10:47] Told they should recover.

[10:48] Charlotte-mecklenburg police

[10:50] are keeping their promise and

[10:52] cracking down on teen take over

[10:52] after.

[10:52] Receiving tips.

[10:53] >> of a teen.

[10:55] Takeover planned for saturday.

[10:56] Cmpd implemented.

[10:56] >> a coordinated.

[10:57] Operational plan.

[10:58] That resulted.

[10:59] >> in more than.

[11:00] 20 arrests.

[11:01] That includes 12 juveniles.

[11:02] >> and.

[11:02] Ten adults.

[11:03] Those adults.

[11:04] Cited for.

[11:05] >> contributing to the.

[11:06] Delinquency of a minor.

[11:10] Witnesses say they saw 100 to

[11:11] 200 teens filming each other

[11:12] and blocking traffic.

[11:13] Let's start.

[11:14] First at brier creek.

[11:15] Police say around.

[11:17] 1027 saturday night police got

[11:19] a report of a fight happening

[11:20] near the movie theater.

[11:21] They said this was.

[11:21] Part of a teen.

[11:22] Takeover.

[11:24] >> nearly 3000 teens were said

[11:25] to be there.

[11:26] Then let's.

[11:26] >> go to.

[11:27] Glenwood south around 130

[11:29] sunday morning.

[11:30] Officers responded to.

[11:31] Multiple shootings.

[11:31] There were.

[11:32] about 5000.

[11:34] People involved in that teen

[11:34] takeover.

[11:36] Then three hours later a fight

[11:37] happened at.

[11:38] >> a gas station.

[11:38] That fight.

[11:38] >> led to a.

[11:39] >> shooting and two.

[11:40] People were shot.

[11:42] Nine people shot after.

[11:43] Thousands of teens take.

[11:43] >> over the.

[11:44] Streets.

[11:45] >> parents could be held liable

[11:46] in raleigh.

[11:46] If their.

[11:47] >> juvenile kids.

[11:48] >> are.

[11:48] Out late.

[11:49] Committing crimes.

[11:50] After curfew is eventually put

[11:51] in place.

[11:52] A violent brawl.

[11:53] Breaking out.

[11:54] >> in south carolina.

[11:55] .

[11:57] >> north charleston police.

[11:58] Officer tackled to the ground.

[11:59] >> and.

[12:00] Pummeled repeatedly during.

[12:00] >> a 4th of.

[12:01] >> JULY.

[12:02] Gathering of teens and young

[12:02] adults.

[12:04] That descended into chaos.

[12:05] 13 people.

[12:06] >> were arrested.

[12:06] Between the ages.

[12:08] Of 13 and 20.

[12:09] Years old.

[12:09] >> and a.

[12:10] Growing number.

[12:10] >> of.

[12:11] Cities are dealing with.

[12:11] >> a surge in.

[12:12] >> the.

[12:13] So-called teen takeover.

[12:15] .

[12:16] That was what newport.

[12:17] beach.

[12:18] >> california looked like over.

[12:18] >> the.

[12:18] Holiday weekend.

[12:19] More than.

[12:20] 400 people.

[12:21] Were arrested, most.

[12:22] Of them.

[12:22] Young and.

[12:23] >> minors.

[12:27] >> on the 4th of.

[12:28] >> JULY madness in.

[12:29] Newport beach.

[12:29] More than.

[12:31] 400 people arrested.

[12:35] Officers just declared an

[12:36] unlawful assembly.

[12:37] In newport beach.

[12:38] Police say influencers.

[12:39] >> are streaming.

[12:42] Encouraging followers to join

[12:44] the chaos for.

[12:47] And this is just some.

[12:49] >> of the JULY 4th chaos that

[12:49] took.

[12:49] >> a.

[12:50] Dangerous turn in.

[12:51] Newport beach.

[12:52] Video shows.

[12:52] Fireworks.

[12:54] >> fights and damage to

[12:55] businesses.

[12:55] .

[12:57] Tonight dramatic new.

[12:59] Video of chicago police pinning

[12:59] .

[13:00] People down and.

[13:03] Struggling to quell massive

[13:03] memorial.

[13:03] Day crowds.

[13:04] It's just.

[13:05] >> becoming a big.

[13:05] Big problem.

[13:06] In charlotte.

[13:07] Unfortunately we.

[13:07] >> have been.

[13:09] >> bombarded with.

[13:10] This chaos.

[13:11] If you see kids out.

[13:11] You better.

[13:12] >> stay home.

[13:13] These young people.

[13:15] >> know they cannot be

[13:15] arrested.

[13:16] They're not going to be.

[13:17] Charged and they.

[13:19] Know that they can keep doing

[13:19] this.

[13:22] So we wanted to share this

[13:24] video because what you see is.

[13:25] Today's reality for our youth.

[13:26] And their.

[13:27] >> desire to.

[13:28] >> participate in behavior that

[13:30] is becoming increasingly

[13:30] harmful to them.

[13:32] To our law enforcement

[13:34] personnel, to businesses and

[13:35] patrons and also to the

[13:35] community at large.

[13:38] Much of what you just saw we've

[13:39] experienced right here in.

[13:40] Charlotte and.

[13:41] >> over the last two months.

[13:43] And members of my team and I

[13:45] have experienced it in real

[13:45] time.

[13:47] I'll give you a short preview

[13:49] back on JULY or I'm sorry, JUNE

[13:49] 14th.

[13:51] I saw firsthand what happens

[13:51] when a group of.

[13:53] Teens congregate with no

[13:54] specific purpose.

[13:55] And nothing.

[13:56] In mind to do, especially after

[13:57] dark.

[13:58] Early that.

[13:58] >> morning there.

[13:59] >> was a shoot.

[14:01] Out in center city at roomier

[14:01] bearden.

[14:02] Park where you saw some of the

[14:04] images of in which a 15 year

[14:05] old and an 18 year old were

[14:06] shot.

[14:09] The shooters subsequently were

[14:10] 216 year olds and a 15 year

[14:11] old.

[14:11] In that.

[14:12] >> incident we.

[14:15] Saw a clear example of victims

[14:16] and victimization of our youth

[14:17] .

[14:19] Additionally, several innocent

[14:20] bystanders and businesses were

[14:21] impacted because of the actions

[14:23] of the many teens who were out

[14:23] there.

[14:24] On JULY.

[14:25] >> 4th.

[14:26] We saw another large gathering

[14:27] .

[14:27] Of youth.

[14:29] Around amir bearden park.

[14:30] >> I was.

[14:30] >> out there.

[14:31] I worked in fact until 3:00 in

[14:32] the morning.

[14:33] And saw the mass.

[14:35] Of youth that we had out there.

[14:37] We did not have any incidents

[14:39] that morning or that night in

[14:40] charlotte and the reason being

[14:42] I am confident is because we

[14:44] had over 200 officers working

[14:45] in a small geographic location.

[14:48] We know that we cannot sustain

[14:48] that.

[14:49] We cannot have that kind of

[14:49] manpower.

[14:51] Or personnel power.

[14:53] Every weekend or whenever

[14:55] there's a pop up event

[14:56] pertaining to our youth.

[14:59] On JULY 11th in university city

[15:00] near the boardwalk.

[15:01] We had another mass.

[15:03] Gathering of 2 to 300 youth

[15:05] that resulted in fights,

[15:07] disorder and a firearm being

[15:08] seized, a firearm being

[15:09] confiscated from a 16 year old.

[15:11] We had 12 juveniles who were

[15:13] arrested in that incident and

[15:14] ten adults were cited.

[15:15] We had several.

[15:17] Officers who were assaulted.

[15:18] When they're trying to break up

[15:20] the fights and break up the

[15:22] incidents going on and we had

[15:23] businesses that had to shut

[15:25] down early, could not carry on

[15:26] their business because of the

[15:28] teen takeovers and the number

[15:29] of teens who were in the area.

[15:32] I am very concerned that if we

[15:33] don't get a handle on these

[15:35] events and what is going on,

[15:37] the consequences MAY become

[15:37] fatal.

[15:40] This is why I'm proposing a

[15:41] modification to the existing

[15:42] youth protection ordinance.

[15:43] And that.

[15:45] Modification is simply.

[15:46] That one.

[15:49] We increase the curfew age to

[15:52] all minors 17 and younger that

[15:54] we lower the curfew time to 9

[15:56] P.M. Every day of the week so

[15:58] that there's no confusion on

[15:59] what time or where you have to

[16:00] be in that kind of thing.

[16:02] And also to that we keep the

[16:05] existing exceptions such as a

[16:06] youth going to and from work or

[16:08] going to a sanctioned event by

[16:10] their school or religious place

[16:11] of worship or something like

[16:12] that.

[16:13] And we're going to talk more a

[16:13] little.

[16:13] Bit about that.

[16:16] Mayor and council, please hear

[16:19] me clearly when I say that we

[16:22] are not proposing to

[16:23] criminalize our youth.

[16:25] We don't want to criminalize

[16:26] them for being teenagers.

[16:29] We will not be instituting a

[16:29] curfew.

[16:30] Police.

[16:32] I don't have the staffing for

[16:33] it so we will never do that.

[16:37] We are not creating a prison

[16:38] pipeline for youth of color.

[16:42] We're not punishing good kids

[16:44] for doing the right things but

[16:47] instead we are proposing a tool

[16:48] that gives law enforcement the

[16:50] ability to intervene and keep

[16:51] our young people from being

[16:53] harmed or harming others.

[16:55] Today we have a brief

[16:56] presentation with data to

[16:58] support our assertion that

[17:00] youth are being victimized when

[17:01] they are permitted to stay out

[17:01] late.

[17:03] And unsupervised.

[17:05] I would close by saying this to

[17:06] you as we look around this

[17:08] room, those who are seated here

[17:09] there are a number of law

[17:11] enforcement agency partners,

[17:13] community leaders, safety youth

[17:14] advocates, educators and

[17:15] business leaders who.

[17:16] >> have.

[17:17] Either been negatively impacted

[17:20] by these teen takeovers or are

[17:21] extremely concerned about our

[17:22] youth and their safety.

[17:24] I believe that they stand with

[17:26] cmpd and they stand with me in

[17:28] saying that we have to revise

[17:30] our youth protection ordinance.

[17:32] I am proud of the work that my

[17:34] team is doing to try to get

[17:35] ahead of these takeovers, to

[17:37] try to be in those places.

[17:39] However, we cannot mitigate

[17:42] these just by using personnel

[17:42] resources.

[17:44] It's very expensive, is very

[17:47] taxing on our resources and

[17:48] while we can't put a price on

[17:50] the tax, the resources that

[17:52] we're using we cannot put a

[17:55] price on a life that is lost.

[17:57] As a result of the events that

[17:57] happened because of.

[17:58] >> these teen takeovers.

[18:01] So we're asking you to consider

[18:03] that as you think about this

[18:04] youth.

[18:05] Protection ordinance.

[18:06] And at this time I'm going to

[18:07] turn it over to MISS Jessica

[18:08] battle for a few legal points

[18:10] and then to deputy chief briley

[18:12] and also doctor stewart from

[18:13] our youth office of.

[18:15] Youth opportunities.

[18:24] Good evening mayor, city

[18:25] council.

[18:26] Members and MISTER Manager.

[18:28] Jessica battle with the.

[18:30] >> city attorney's office.

[18:31] Our youth protection.

[18:32] Ordinance was.

[18:33] Brought into.

[18:35] First implemented in 1995.

[18:37] >> it started off as a pilot

[18:38] program but.

[18:38] Given the.

[18:40] >> results of the curfew.

[18:41] And other.

[18:42] Section of the youth

[18:42] protection.

[18:44] Ordinance, it remained.

[18:45] >> a permanent part of our

[18:45] charlotte.

[18:46] City code.

[18:47] And to give.

[18:48] >> you a.

[18:48] >> little.

[18:49] Bit of.

[18:49] >> procedural history in.

[18:50] How we.

[18:50] >> got here today.

[18:53] On JUNE 30th of this year,

[18:54] former mayor louse.

[18:55] >> signed a.

[18:56] Policy referral.

[18:56] For the.

[18:57] >> safety committee.

[18:58] To take a look.

[18:59] At our current youth.

[19:00] Protection ordinance.

[19:01] >> to.

[19:01] Do some.

[19:02] Benchmarking of.

[19:03] Other north carolina and.

[19:04] Us cities.

[19:05] To determine what.

[19:06] ,if.

[19:06] >> any public.

[19:08] Safety considerations.

[19:09] >> that.

[19:10] This council could take into

[19:11] consideration when we are

[19:12] looking to.

[19:13] Mitigate the public safety.

[19:14] Issues associated.

[19:14] >> with.

[19:16] Juvenile curfew issues.

[19:17] On JULY.

[19:17] >> 14th.

[19:18] The committee.

[19:20] >> heard recommendations from

[19:20] the.

[19:21] Cmpd and.

[19:22] Also heard from the city

[19:23] attorney's office.

[19:25] On their legal authority.

[19:26] As it relates to curfew.

[19:27] And in that.

[19:29] Special meeting the committee

[19:29] members.

[19:29] >> voted.

[19:30] Unanimously to.

[19:32] Support kpd.

[19:34] Recommendations to send before

[19:34] this.

[19:36] Full council for consideration

[19:36] .

[19:38] Emphasizing what.

[19:39] Chief patterson just stated.

[19:40] >> that being.

[19:41] Updating the curfew to include

[19:42] all minors.

[19:42] And making it.

[19:44] 9:00 pm on each.

[19:45] Day of the week.

[19:50] Our current youth protection.

[19:51] Ordinance applies.

[19:52] To two.

[19:52] Different subsets.

[19:53] >> of.

[19:54] Minors for.

[19:56] Children who are 12 years old

[19:58] and under the curfew as.

[19:59] >> at 10 P.M. Until 6.

[19:59] >> A.M..

[20:00] On the.

[20:01] >> following day.

[20:02] Any day of the.

[20:05] Week for children ages 13, 14

[20:05] and 15.

[20:08] That curfew is from 11.

[20:09] >> P.M..

[20:09] To.

[20:09] 6.

[20:09] A.M..

[20:10] The.

[20:10] Following day on.

[20:12] Any given day of the week we do

[20:13] not have any.

[20:15] Other tiers related to weekends

[20:17] or geographic locations.

[20:18] >> in the city at this time.

[20:21] I'm sorry there's.

[20:22] >> a slight delay.

[20:22] >> in.

[20:24] The clicker as it relates to.

[20:25] Offenses that.

[20:27] >> arise out of our curfew.

[20:29] A juvenile can be charged with

[20:30] violating the curfew if.

[20:30] >> they.

[20:31] Are present.

[20:31] And not.

[20:32] At home.

[20:34] Remaining in a public place

[20:35] after the curfew hours.

[20:37] A parent or guardian can be

[20:39] charged with a curfew offense.

[20:40] >> if they.

[20:40] Knowingly permit.

[20:43] Their juvenile child for being

[20:45] outside of the curfew hours.

[20:48] Also owners, operators or any.

[20:49] Employees of.

[20:49] >> an.

[20:50] Establishment can be charged

[20:51] with an offense.

[20:51] If they.

[20:53] >> knowingly allow.

[20:54] Juveniles to remain on their

[20:55] property after curfew hours.

[20:57] There are also offenses.

[20:58] For persons.

[21:00] 16 years old and older who aid.

[21:01] Or abet.

[21:03] Or otherwise assist.

[21:04] Juveniles in violating the

[21:04] curfew.

[21:06] And also it is a.

[21:08] violation for a parent or

[21:09] guardian to refuse to.

[21:10] >> take.

[21:10] Custody of.

[21:12] >> their child after they are

[21:14] notified that their child has

[21:16] violated curfew and police are

[21:18] seeking the parent to come and

[21:19] retrieve their juvenile.

[21:23] Right.

[21:24] >> there are some.

[21:25] Exceptions that.

[21:26] >> chief patterson went

[21:26] through.

[21:28] If you are accompanied by your

[21:30] parent or guardian or any

[21:30] authorized.

[21:32] Adult aged.

[21:34] 21 years or older authorized

[21:36] adult meaning someone who has

[21:37] permission from the parent or

[21:40] guardian of the juvenile to be

[21:41] responsible for that child

[21:42] after curfew hours.

[21:44] If the juvenile is running a

[21:46] parent or excuse me running an

[21:47] errand for their parent and

[21:49] they are on a direct route to

[21:51] that errand or back to their

[21:51] residence.

[21:53] Likewise if they are doing

[21:54] employment.

[21:55] Activities and.

[21:57] Again on a direct route to or

[21:58] from work, they can.

[21:58] >> be.

[22:00] Out outside of their restricted

[22:00] hours.

[22:02] Or if they are responding to a

[22:03] true emergency.

[22:04] Lastly.

[22:06] >> if a.

[22:07] Juvenile is attending.

[22:09] Traveling to or directly from

[22:09] an official.

[22:10] School religious.

[22:12] >> or recreation.

[22:12] Event that.

[22:12] >> is.

[22:14] With emphasis he or supervised

[22:15] by.

[22:15] Adults or.

[22:17] Sponsored by a public or.

[22:18] >> private.

[22:18] School.

[22:18] .

[22:18] Religious.

[22:20] Institution, government entity

[22:22] or civic organization.

[22:22] They can.

[22:23] >> be outside out of their.

[22:25] Restricted restricted hours.

[22:25] Excuse me.

[22:28] >> and if a person were to

[22:29] encounter law enforcement they

[22:31] would certainly try to verify

[22:33] whether or not the juvenile is

[22:35] falling under one of these

[22:36] lawful exceptions to being out

[22:37] in the restricted hours.

[22:44] Forgive me.

[22:45] >> for.

[22:45] The technology.

[22:46] All right.

[22:46] When we.

[22:48] Look at our benchmarking.

[22:49] We look not only at north

[22:50] carolina cities but we looked

[22:52] at several sister cities across

[22:53] the united states.

[22:54] When we.

[22:55] Look at.

[22:55] >> winston-salem.

[22:57] >> their curfew applies to all

[22:59] minors persons 17 years old and

[23:02] younger from 10 P.M. To 6 P.M.

[23:02] On any day.

[23:03] Of the week.

[23:04] And currently the city of

[23:06] raleigh is also considering.

[23:07] Changing their.

[23:08] Juvenile curfew.

[23:10] They are also considering

[23:11] having it apply to all minors

[23:12] and they.

[23:13] >> are looking at.

[23:15] 10 P.M. Or 11 P.M. For their

[23:16] standard restricted hours.

[23:18] Some other cities of which who

[23:19] were featured in the recording.

[23:20] >> that was played at the.

[23:21] At the beginning of.

[23:22] >> this presentation are myrtle

[23:23] beach, south carolina.

[23:26] That has a curfew for 17 and

[23:26] younger.

[23:28] This is a citywide curfew of

[23:28] midnight.

[23:30] However they have a geographic

[23:32] or territorial curfew in their

[23:34] downtown area which starts at 9

[23:34] P.M..

[23:36] It's important to note.

[23:37] >> that last year myrtle beach

[23:38] .

[23:39] Instituted an emergency curfew

[23:40] .

[23:42] There was a little earlier they

[23:42] had that.

[23:43] Because of incident that had

[23:45] occurred in their jurisdiction

[23:45] .

[23:47] Once that temporary curfew was

[23:48] lifted back to the former 11

[23:51] P.M., they did see a spike in

[23:53] crime that they directly

[23:55] correlated to the changes in

[23:56] their curfew restricted hours.

[23:58] In atlanta, georgia, the curfew

[24:01] is 17 and younger during school

[24:03] nights 11 P.M. To six and then

[24:05] friday and saturday they have a

[24:06] tiered curfew at midnight.

[24:07] Nashville.

[24:08] >> tennessee also applies to

[24:10] all minors and they have

[24:11] different hearing related to

[24:13] different times of day of the.

[24:13] Week and.

[24:14] >> they.

[24:16] Also have a summer exception

[24:17] and we give you all of this

[24:18] benchmarking just so that the

[24:19] council can be aware of what

[24:21] other cities are doing and know

[24:22] about the different options and

[24:23] level.

[24:23] >> of.

[24:24] Changes that are being sought

[24:26] as they consider cmpd

[24:28] recommendation of the 9:00 p m

[24:29] curfew for each day of the week

[24:32] for all minors 17 and below.

[24:33] And now I will turn it over to

[24:34] deputy chief riley who will

[24:36] talk about teen takeovers from

[24:38] the law enforcement perspective

[24:38] .

[24:39] Thank you.

[24:39] >> good for me?

[24:40] Yes, absolutely.

[24:41] Thank you.

[24:47] Okay.

[24:50] Okay.

[24:52] Uh good evening mayor council

[24:53] and our guests.

[24:53] >> I'm deputy.

[24:54] Chief jackie braly.

[24:57] Um, I'm over patrol operations

[24:58] for the city of charlotte and

[24:58] cmpd.

[25:01] So part of our teen.

[25:03] Takeovers these are planned

[25:03] gatherings.

[25:05] With no true purpose.

[25:08] Some of our youth genuinely use

[25:09] these as opportunities to get

[25:11] out of the house, spend time

[25:12] with their friends, hang out.

[25:13] But unfortunately.

[25:15] Others use this as an

[25:16] opportunity to meet up.

[25:16] ,plan.

[25:19] >> fights, settle social media

[25:19] disputes.

[25:21] Or oftentimes end in violence.

[25:22] .

[25:24] With approximately.

[25:24] 40 planned.

[25:26] Takeovers thus far, cmpd has.

[25:27] Demonstrated its ability.

[25:28] To respond.

[25:29] Effectively and.

[25:31] Efficiently and.

[25:32] Successfully address these

[25:32] incidents.

[25:33] >> as they occur.

[25:35] As the chief stated.

[25:37] Unfortunately these are

[25:38] manpower and staffing

[25:38] intensive.

[25:40] And not able to be sustained.

[25:45] So a little bit of the numbers

[25:46] for our calendar year.

[25:47] We've had.

[25:49] 431 of our youth that were

[25:50] victims of violent crime.

[25:54] 127 of these victims.

[25:56] Were 16 and 17 year olds who

[25:57] are not part of the current

[25:58] youth protection ordinance.

[26:00] .

[26:02] 393 of our youth were black or

[26:03] hispanic.

[26:04] With gun.

[26:05] >> related assaults.

[26:07] Driving many of these cases.

[26:08] The numbers.

[26:09] >> on the.

[26:10] Slide speak for themselves.

[26:11] With the.

[26:12] >> percentages.

[26:13] >> but there's much more.

[26:15] Troubling as myself was a

[26:17] parent who's raised two

[26:18] teenagers and currently raising

[26:18] a third.

[26:20] Thus far.

[26:21] >> this calendar year we've

[26:21] lost six.

[26:22] Young people.

[26:24] To gun violence.

[26:28] These were all 17 years and

[26:29] younger with our youngest

[26:31] juvenile victim of homicide.

[26:34] 1413 young people.

[26:34] >> in.

[26:36] Our community were aged 17 and

[26:37] under were charged with

[26:38] homicide calendar year to.

[26:40] Date of these incidents.

[26:42] Every single one of them

[26:44] occurred after 9 A.M. Between 6

[26:44] A.M..

[26:47] So no matter what side of these

[26:50] tragedies of families on these

[26:50] lives are changed forever.

[26:56] As part of our research into

[26:57] this.

[26:59] We looked at some of our um,

[27:01] alternatives snapped to your

[27:02] age group and geographic.

[27:05] These various alternatives to

[27:06] these various alternatives to

[27:08] our current recommendation do

[27:09] have significant challenges.

[27:11] Again.

[27:12] >> staffing is not sustainable

[27:16] for snap tiered or geographic

[27:18] officers are still responsible

[27:19] to respond to calls for service

[27:20] in a timely manner.

[27:21] Is that is.

[27:22] That is what is.

[27:24] Expected from our community we

[27:24] serve.

[27:26] Therefore we are unable to pull

[27:27] resources from all over the

[27:28] city to go.

[27:29] From one.

[27:30] >> location to another.

[27:32] In theory it sounds okay.

[27:33] But significant.

[27:34] >> but we have.

[27:35] Significant practical

[27:38] challenges in its application.

[27:42] Currently cmpd leads many

[27:44] efforts on many fronts to

[27:44] engage with our youth.

[27:46] Our pal.

[27:46] Program that.

[27:47] >> has been.

[27:48] Around for many years.

[27:51] Year to date serves on average

[27:52] 500 young people in our

[27:52] community.

[27:54] This is a program that's.

[27:56] >> led by cmpd officers and

[27:56] volunteers.

[27:59] Our reach program has.

[27:59] Continued to.

[28:01] >> work with 60 youth, 30 men

[28:02] and 30 young ladies this

[28:03] calendar year.

[28:05] With multiple city and county

[28:06] partners and under the

[28:09] leadership of our officers in

[28:10] the mecklenburg county

[28:11] sheriff's office.

[28:12] Community engagement unit, we

[28:15] had 1800 youth successfully

[28:17] participate in 14 teen summer

[28:19] jam events to include two pool

[28:22] parties at splash planet with

[28:25] zero incidents as well as 64

[28:26] community led national night

[28:27] out events.

[28:29] .

[28:30] With that I'll.

[28:30] >> hand.

[28:31] It over to doctor.

[28:31] Stewart.

[28:41] >> good evening mayor

[28:43] harrington, manager.

[28:44] Jones and members of council.

[28:46] I'm ricky stuart, director of

[28:47] housing and neighborhood.

[28:48] Services and the.

[28:49] Office of youth opportunity.

[28:50] And I.

[28:51] >> wanted to just take a.

[28:52] Moment to share with you some

[28:53] of the things.

[28:53] >> that your staff.

[28:54] With the.

[28:54] >> office of.

[28:55] >> our office.

[28:56] Of youth opportunities.

[28:58] Has done and.

[28:59] >> what we plan to do next.

[29:00] So we.

[29:01] >> have expanded our career.

[29:02] Experiences through.

[29:04] Strategic outreach.

[29:05] Meaning we have created more.

[29:07] Flexible opportunities.

[29:08] For our youth.

[29:11] To date we have provided 683

[29:13] career experiences and we're on

[29:13] .

[29:14] Track for.

[29:15] >> our goal of 1000.

[29:16] >> by the end of the year.

[29:18] Um understanding the need for.

[29:19] Third spaces.

[29:19] We realized.

[29:20] This a little bit last.

[29:21] Year so we.

[29:22] Were able.

[29:22] To partner with.

[29:23] >> the ymca.

[29:24] >> I believe.

[29:25] >> our partner was with us.

[29:27] >> this evening um, to provide

[29:29] 200 ymca passes.

[29:30] It was initially for three

[29:32] months and we recognized.

[29:32] >> the.

[29:32] Need for.

[29:33] >> the youth.

[29:34] >> to have activities to do so

[29:35] we.

[29:35] Were able to extend.

[29:37] >> it through DECEMBER.

[29:38] Uh, this summer we.

[29:40] >> were able to provide 250

[29:40] county.

[29:41] >> and park.

[29:42] Rec and team passes, which is

[29:44] great because they have an

[29:46] opportunity to visit and

[29:47] participate.

[29:48] In any activity at any rec

[29:49] center across the county.

[29:51] And then we continue to

[29:52] strengthen through.

[29:55] Our youth safety initiative.

[29:57] Our violence.

[29:58] Prevention campaigns with.

[29:59] >> our youth.

[30:00] Diversion program.

[30:01] We work closely with.

[30:03] Cmpd and our school resource

[30:04] officers.

[30:04] And our.

[30:05] Alternative to violence

[30:06] initiative which.

[30:07] >> is.

[30:07] In three different.

[30:09] Uh, corridors across the city.

[30:11] So as it relates to.

[30:13] What's next, our team is ready

[30:14] to pivot with.

[30:15] >> the purpose.

[30:16] So we are looking.

[30:17] >> at developing a partnership

[30:17] .

[30:19] Grant to support organizations.

[30:20] Providing safe.

[30:21] Third spaces.

[30:22] so what we'll do is we'll.

[30:24] Partner with cmpd to look at

[30:26] the data to make sure that our.

[30:27] Scope of work.

[30:28] Is the right impact and.

[30:29] That we're offering.

[30:30] These third.

[30:31] >> spaces in the right places

[30:32] across the city.

[30:33] We had a.

[30:34] >> great conversation with the

[30:34] parks.

[30:36] >> and rec department today to

[30:38] coordinate youth activities

[30:39] during teacher workdays.

[30:41] So we're looking at any.

[30:43] Free and available time.

[30:43] >> that the youth have.

[30:46] How can we contribute to giving

[30:47] them something else to do

[30:48] that's going to.

[30:48] Help them.

[30:49] >> with their upward mobility?

[30:51] And last but not least we're.

[30:51] Looking at.

[30:53] Partnering again with.

[30:55] The ymca to expand programing

[30:56] and partnerships with their

[30:58] teen activation center.

[31:00] And with that program alone we

[31:02] can additionally touch and

[31:02] impact.

[31:03] Over 200 youth.

[31:05] I'm going to turn it back.

[31:06] Over to.

[31:08] >> chief patterson.

[31:11] So we will wrap.

[31:13] Up today by just again going

[31:15] over these recommendations that

[31:16] we put before you.

[31:17] We want to increase our curfew

[31:19] age to include all minors 17

[31:20] and younger.

[31:22] We want to lower the curfew

[31:24] time to 9 P.M. Every day of the

[31:25] week and then abide by those

[31:27] exceptions that we currently

[31:27] have in place.

[31:29] We certainly appreciate your

[31:31] patience and listen to our

[31:31] presentation at this time we're

[31:33] open up to any questions you.

[31:33] >> MAY have of us.

[31:36] Thank you, chief patterson I

[31:37] know we have.

[31:37] Uh.

[31:39] >> three council members who.

[31:40] Have asked.

[31:40] Uh.

[31:41] >> hoops for.

[31:42] Um and I'll.

[31:43] Start five.

[31:45] I'll start with council member.

[31:46] Esmeralda.

[31:48] >> thank you.

[31:49] >> mayor harrington.

[31:52] Chief, thank you for your.

[31:54] Leadership and thanks to all

[31:56] the law enforcement here in the

[31:56] room and all.

[31:57] The partners who are.

[31:58] Here today.

[31:59] >> I did see the us attorney.

[32:01] Uh, thank you for being.

[32:01] Here and.

[32:02] >> for your.

[32:03] >> leadership collaborating

[32:03] with cmpd.

[32:04] We appreciate you.

[32:06] Um.

[32:08] So if.

[32:09] >> we.

[32:10] Can go back to the exception.

[32:13] Slide because I am getting

[32:13] questions.

[32:17] About oh, my child is.

[32:19] Working night shift, would that

[32:19] apply.

[32:22] Or they.

[32:23] Have youth cam.

[32:24] >> would that apply?

[32:24] >> so I think.

[32:25] I do.

[32:27] Want every parent to.

[32:29] Understand that this would not

[32:29] .

[32:31] Apply to employment activity.

[32:33] Or if they.

[32:34] Are part.

[32:35] Of some.

[32:35] >> sort.

[32:37] Of organized opportunity.

[32:38] Yes.

[32:38] >> so I.

[32:40] Just want to make that very

[32:41] clear to your point chief, this

[32:43] is not criminalizing our youth.

[32:45] Uh this is.

[32:46] To keep.

[32:47] >> our community safe.

[32:48] Um.

[32:50] >> I know this is just the one

[32:50] tool.

[32:52] That is.

[32:54] In our hands.

[32:55] To keep our community.

[32:56] Safe.

[32:57] >> but our bigger.

[32:59] Responsibility is to have safe

[32:59] .

[33:01] Spaces for our youth.

[33:02] I remember growing up.

[33:03] I used.

[33:04] >> to go to.

[33:06] Mall during my summer breaks

[33:06] when.

[33:07] >> I was not working.

[33:09] Uh, and we are seeing some.

[33:09] >> of.

[33:10] This opportunities are going

[33:11] away.

[33:11] >> there are not a.

[33:13] Lot of gathering.

[33:14] Spaces or safe.

[33:16] Spaces for teens anymore.

[33:17] So I.

[33:18] Appreciate the work that doctor

[33:18] .

[33:20] Stewart is doing collaborating.

[33:21] >> with the county.

[33:22] To provide.

[33:23] Opportunities to our youth.

[33:24] Um.

[33:26] Doctor stewart.

[33:26] >> if.

[33:26] You.

[33:27] Could talk.

[33:28] About uh.

[33:30] How many.

[33:31] Youth so.

[33:31] far have.

[33:32] >> been engaged.

[33:33] >> through some.

[33:33] >> of.

[33:33] The.

[33:34] Opportunities whether.

[33:36] That's directly with the city

[33:36] or.

[33:37] That's in.

[33:38] >> partnership with other

[33:39] agencies?

[33:41] So as it relates to youth being

[33:44] involved, 683 as it relates to

[33:46] employment or career

[33:47] experiences and a little bit

[33:48] over 5000.

[33:50] >> as it relates to us just

[33:51] having contact.

[33:53] >> with them through um pop

[33:54] ups, through trainings, through

[33:55] meeting them where they are.

[33:57] So we've had a really uh

[33:58] impactful year this.

[33:59] >> year and our plan is to

[34:00] continue that work.

[34:01] Going forward.

[34:02] If I.

[34:04] >> could add to that council

[34:05] member as mayor.

[34:07] Um, deputy chief brawley talked

[34:09] about over the summer when we

[34:10] realized these teen takeovers

[34:10] were happening.

[34:12] We coordinated with families

[34:14] with parents to be able to drop

[34:14] their.

[34:15] Children off in a responsible

[34:15] location.

[34:18] We had over 1800 youth for the

[34:20] six events that we partnered

[34:20] with the county with.

[34:21] And I.

[34:23] Think those are the

[34:23] opportunities.

[34:24] That we.

[34:24] >> need to.

[34:26] Continue to highlight, uh, so

[34:26] that.

[34:27] Teens have.

[34:29] Safe spaces to go.

[34:31] to, safe spaces to.

[34:32] Have opportunities.

[34:33] Whether that's through

[34:35] mentorship or a job opportunity

[34:35] .

[34:36] Or workforce development.

[34:37] Opportunities.

[34:40] >> um, because.

[34:41] I think that's where.

[34:42] We need to continue.

[34:43] >> to focus on.

[34:45] So if we can continue to

[34:45] expand.

[34:48] That program, MR. Jones, I know

[34:49] this is something we started.

[34:51] Uh, the council.

[34:51] >> had.

[34:53] Approved in our budget just

[34:54] last year and I.

[34:55] >> think.

[34:56] We've come a long way to seeing

[34:59] hundreds of youth that have

[35:00] been engaged.

[35:00] >> I would.

[35:01] Like us to continue.

[35:01] >> to.

[35:02] Expand that program.

[35:04] Uh, not just in the summer.

[35:04] >> but.

[35:05] Especially when there is a.

[35:06] Teacher workday.

[35:07] Uh, at cms.

[35:10] I'm a cms parents I can tell

[35:10] you they have many.

[35:11] Teacher workdays.

[35:12] And I think that's.

[35:13] Where we.

[35:13] >> need to.

[35:14] Continue to.

[35:15] Provide safe opportunities.

[35:16] For our youth.

[35:17] Uh, so.

[35:19] >> that they have a safe

[35:19] environment.

[35:20] And that's all I have.

[35:21] Again.

[35:22] >> chief, I appreciate the work

[35:22] that.

[35:23] >> you.

[35:24] And your team are doing to

[35:24] keep.

[35:25] Our community safe.

[35:26] Thank you.

[35:28] >> to council member perry.

[35:31] Thank you, MR. Mayor.

[35:33] Uh, thank you, chief and doctor

[35:34] stewart and, um, all.

[35:34] >> the.

[35:36] Cmpd staff and our partners for

[35:37] the work that you're doing.

[35:38] And thank you, uh, to members

[35:39] of the public who have weighed

[35:40] in on this and.

[35:42] Are, um, keen on.

[35:43] Ensuring that we're investing

[35:43] in.

[35:44] >> our youth.

[35:44] Um.

[35:47] I've got a couple of questions

[35:48] because I want to make sure.

[35:50] I understand the intended cause

[35:51] and effect here.

[35:52] Uh.

[35:54] >> you mentioned a little.

[35:55] While you all mentioned.

[35:56] Earlier in your.

[35:58] Uh in your presentation here.

[36:01] Some of the other benchmarking

[36:01] cities.

[36:01] Um.

[36:02] >> and you.

[36:02] >> mentioned that myrtle.

[36:03] Beach saw a.

[36:04] Correlation between the.

[36:06] Their time period, their 9 P.M.

[36:07] Versus.

[36:07] Their later.

[36:09] I'd like to understand a little

[36:10] bit more about why we believe.

[36:11] That 9.

[36:12] >> P.M..

[36:12] Is the.

[36:14] Correct time.

[36:15] >> as it relates to when

[36:15] incidents are happening.

[36:17] And then if you could talk to

[36:18] me a little bit about.

[36:20] The nature of these activities,

[36:21] you all have already mentioned

[36:23] that you've been able to host

[36:25] several of these activities

[36:25] without incident.

[36:27] Uh, for large numbers of teens

[36:27] .

[36:29] So I just want to understand a

[36:31] little bit more about the

[36:31] factors that you believe.

[36:33] Are.

[36:34] >> influencing juvenile crime

[36:36] and why this is the answer.

[36:38] Does that make sense?

[36:38] Yes ma'am.

[36:40] And thank you doctor watlington

[36:40] for that.

[36:41] So we'll start off with you

[36:43] saying how did we arrive at the

[36:44] 9:00 time frame.

[36:47] And so really just looking

[36:49] across at the time where we see

[36:51] the most youth start to gather

[36:52] gather and then also to from a

[36:53] safety perspective that about

[36:53] 9:00.

[36:54] Is when it.

[36:55] >> starts to get dark.

[36:57] Um and so looking at that and

[36:59] just knowing after it gets dark

[37:00] typically is when we start to

[37:02] see the youth congregate and

[37:04] they're out with our current um

[37:05] ordinance we have to wait to

[37:07] 10:00 if they're younger

[37:08] children we have to wait till

[37:11] 11:00 by then is so many young

[37:12] people in one space.

[37:13] It's hard to disperse them is

[37:15] hard to determine who's who and

[37:16] who MAY have a weapon on them.

[37:18] So that's where we landed on

[37:19] the 9 P.M. That is that general

[37:21] time when it starts to get dark

[37:22] and we can get a handle on

[37:23] what's going on and just.

[37:25] Basic crime theory if you will

[37:25] forgive me.

[37:27] I'm obviously not a law

[37:27] enforcement officer.

[37:29] Why does it matter if it's dark

[37:31] as it relates to incident

[37:31] rates?

[37:31] right?

[37:33] >> we just have seen from our

[37:35] data that after dark under the

[37:36] cloak of darkness is when we

[37:37] tend to see crime occur.

[37:40] The numbers that deputy chief

[37:41] brawley shared with you we

[37:44] looked specifically at

[37:46] victimization after 9 P.M. Just

[37:47] to see what those numbers were

[37:49] and we compared them with last

[37:50] year's numbers with 2025

[37:53] numbers in 20 in fy 2025 there

[37:56] were 406 juvenile victims um

[37:57] after 9 P.M. So that seems to

[37:59] be the time where we see those

[38:01] spikes kind of go up with our

[38:03] crime and that's how we you

[38:04] know, we use that in

[38:05] determining as well what a

[38:05] good.

[38:06] Time is.

[38:08] And just for comparison's sake,

[38:08] do we have.

[38:11] Those same um, numbers for the

[38:13] 11 P.M. And lighter window?

[38:13] We is.

[38:14] >> that additional two.

[38:15] >> hours right.

[38:16] We did not pull.

[38:16] >> those.

[38:17] Numbers but we certainly can.

[38:18] >> sure that would be great.

[38:19] I'd be very interested to.

[38:20] See uh.

[38:20] What the.

[38:21] >> difference would.

[38:23] Be between those two hours.

[38:24] Um and.

[38:24] >> then can.

[38:25] You speak a little bit to the

[38:26] nature of.

[38:27] >> the activity?

[38:28] Why having.

[38:29] Structured events.

[38:32] After 9:00 for teens MAY result

[38:33] in low.

[38:33] Incident rate or.

[38:35] >> no incident rate versus the

[38:36] un structure.

[38:38] so since deputy chief bradley

[38:39] still has young people in the

[38:39] house, I.

[38:40] Think she.

[38:41] She can address.

[38:42] That probably.

[38:43] >> better than some of us.

[38:43] >> perfect.

[38:46] >> good evening ma'am.

[38:47] So one of the things and I'll

[38:50] just use a real life experience

[38:52] with um, and university at

[38:52] university.

[38:52] What?

[38:57] So, uh, before dark we had a.

[38:57] >> lot.

[38:59] Of teens gather and just kind

[39:00] of walking around the boardwalk

[39:03] hanging out again as she says

[39:06] soon as 9:00 darkness hit, um,

[39:07] ski mask.

[39:07] Come on.

[39:08] Hoodies come on.

[39:10] And then you can just see the

[39:11] energy and until you are

[39:12] actually you're in it and feel

[39:13] it is really hard to.

[39:14] Explain it.

[39:17] Um, as we started with.

[39:18] Educating the.

[39:20] Kids around there and myself um

[39:22] ,and many of the team from

[39:23] again uptown and university

[39:24] division started walking around

[39:26] and educating kids hey you you

[39:27] need to go home.

[39:27] It's getting dark.

[39:28] I will.

[39:32] >> say about 300 kids about 75

[39:33] to 80 were like we just came

[39:34] here to hangout.

[39:34] If y'all.

[39:36] Talk about we got to go home,

[39:36] we're.

[39:36] >> going to go home.

[39:37] And they started calling their

[39:39] parents and they started going

[39:40] home to the point where we had

[39:42] to stop traffic on university

[39:43] and harris to let parents get

[39:45] in to come and get their kids

[39:46] because they genuinely did drop

[39:49] their kids off to hang out,

[39:50] unknowing that it was going to

[39:52] turn into a teen takeover.

[39:54] Now again though, there are 200

[39:54] and some.

[39:55] >> kids who decided to stay.

[39:57] That's the one video you saw

[39:58] where the fights began.

[39:59] Um there were several parents

[40:00] who were pepper sprayed by

[40:02] other teens um, trying to get

[40:04] their children from being

[40:05] assaulted by.

[40:06] >> other kids.

[40:07] Um, obviously.

[40:07] >> we.

[40:08] Took a.

[40:09] >> gun off of a juvenile so a

[40:12] lot of it is they are looking

[40:14] for somewhere to hang out a

[40:15] portion of them but some of

[40:16] them is not.

[40:18] And so again, as someone who's

[40:20] currently raising a 13 year old

[40:22] who's raised two adult kids now

[40:23] they are just looking for

[40:26] somewhere to go safe and with a

[40:28] major tell us is team and

[40:29] mecklenburg county sheriff's

[40:29] office.

[40:30] They were able to put on these

[40:31] events that.

[40:33] Had hundreds of kids at them

[40:35] with zero incidents because

[40:36] those kids are looking for

[40:38] somewhere to hang out and do

[40:38] something.

[40:39] But we have to be very

[40:41] cognizant there are a group and

[40:43] there's a section ality of kids

[40:45] who are looking to cause

[40:48] disturbance and settle disputes

[40:49] and so they.

[40:50] Will meet up.

[40:52] As that place to do it because

[40:53] they can't you know, school is

[40:54] out so they're not going to

[40:55] trespass or something like that

[40:56] .

[40:56] That makes sense.

[40:57] So it sounds like for the

[40:59] structured events you're a

[41:02] particular um a particular

[41:03] seeker if you will shows up for

[41:04] the structural events because

[41:05] most of the kids are just

[41:06] looking for something to do and

[41:08] it is because there are other

[41:10] kids around that those who have

[41:12] other motives are able to come

[41:16] in and be and be um disruptive.

[41:16] Yes, ma'am.

[41:16] Okay.

[41:18] That makes sense to me.

[41:20] Um, just a couple more

[41:20] questions.

[41:23] I wanted to understand how.

[41:26] Walk me through for someone who

[41:29] would say 17 year olds.

[41:31] Out at 9 P.M. In and of itself

[41:32] should not be an issue.

[41:34] We've heard the exceptions.

[41:34] Um.

[41:36] If there is an event.

[41:38] However that's not school

[41:39] sanctioned for instance they're

[41:39] going to the movies or

[41:41] something like that.

[41:43] Can you walk me through what

[41:44] implementation looks like in

[41:44] practice?

[41:46] Because I heard what you said,

[41:47] chief in regards to you simply

[41:48] don't have the staff to try to

[41:49] catch some of the adult

[41:50] criminals at this at this stage

[41:51] .

[41:52] So certainly you don't have

[41:55] extra bodies to to be curfew

[41:56] police.

[41:57] Um that said what then does

[41:59] this does this enable you to do

[41:59] .

[42:00] How would it look?

[42:01] Yes ma'am.

[42:04] >> and so 17 the reason why we

[42:05] went with 17 is because you

[42:07] cannot distinguish the age of

[42:08] these young people and

[42:09] typically they don't have ids

[42:10] on them.

[42:12] So we know and I know for a

[42:13] fact when I was at at ramiro

[42:15] bruton bearden park on 4th of

[42:16] JULY when I approached some

[42:17] young people just to entertain

[42:18] just to have conversation with

[42:20] them the ones who were 18 says

[42:21] I'm 18, here's my id and they

[42:22] pulled it out.

[42:23] The younger ones did not

[42:24] because they.

[42:24] >> don't.

[42:25] Have an id, so it's hard for

[42:25] us.

[42:27] To determine the ages of these

[42:28] youth right?

[42:31] So 17 is a safe age still.

[42:32] They're still a minor and they

[42:34] probably don't have an id card

[42:34] .

[42:36] Now the second part of your

[42:37] question as far as them going

[42:38] to a movie theater or something

[42:39] like that so we understand that

[42:40] is what young people do.

[42:42] We are not trying to keep them

[42:43] from doing those things

[42:44] lawfully that that they enjoy

[42:44] doing.

[42:46] However there needs to be

[42:47] supervision in doing it.

[42:49] If a parent writes a note

[42:50] saying that their child can go

[42:52] to the movies or.

[42:53] Supervise, we're not.

[42:54] Out looking.

[42:55] For those individuals.

[42:57] In fact, we're not going to be

[42:59] out looking for teens

[42:59] necessarily that are outside

[43:01] leading this ordinance.

[43:04] We need a tool that when they

[43:05] do congregate and it starts to

[43:07] go the route that the deputy

[43:08] chief talked about where the

[43:09] ski masks come on and the

[43:10] hoodie come on we just can't

[43:11] sit idly by.

[43:13] We can actually detain them.

[43:15] We can actually call parents

[43:16] and that kind of thing.

[43:17] So that's what we're looking at

[43:17] .

[43:19] Now in terms if this passes by

[43:21] this council, the way we will

[43:22] implement this is how we do

[43:23] with many things is a

[43:25] progressive enforcement that

[43:26] begins with an education

[43:26] campaign.

[43:27] We want people to be well

[43:28] educated, will work with cms

[43:28] schools.

[43:30] All our partners that are in

[43:32] the audience to get the word

[43:32] out.

[43:34] From there we will do lots of

[43:34] warnings and then when we have

[43:36] to take enforcement we will

[43:36] take enforcement.

[43:37] So that would be the

[43:38] progressive step that we would

[43:38] take.

[43:39] Thank you for that.

[43:40] And then in the winter time

[43:42] when it gets dark at 5 P.M. How

[43:44] are you all thinking about

[43:44] that?

[43:46] The hours between 5 to 9 in the

[43:46] winter time sure.

[43:47] That's going to be more

[43:48] challenging of course because

[43:50] it is dark and you might have

[43:51] people hanging out.

[43:52] Um, I think what we're going to

[43:53] run into kind of the same

[43:55] issues because it's going to be

[43:55] dark if they want.

[43:56] >> to meet.

[43:57] >> up, they're going.

[43:57] >> to.

[43:57] Start meeting up.

[43:58] We're going to have to kind of

[44:00] wait until 9 P.M. Before we can

[44:01] take effective enforcement.

[44:03] However, I feel that through

[44:05] the education campaign once the

[44:08] word gets out parents will know

[44:09] and we really need parents to

[44:10] be involved with their youth as

[44:11] long as they're.

[44:12] >> doing something.

[44:12] Productive and they're working,

[44:13] they're doing whatever they're

[44:14] going to be covered.

[44:16] But we want to prevent them

[44:17] from just getting in those

[44:18] situations that can cause

[44:18] violence.

[44:18] Thank you.

[44:20] >> and my very last question I

[44:22] think back to uh, a couple of

[44:24] years ago where we had these

[44:25] conversations with the general

[44:26] assembly around.

[44:26] >> uh, raising.

[44:27] The age.

[44:28] And then lowering the age that

[44:29] relates to juvenile crime.

[44:31] Can you just talk to me about

[44:35] how that overlaps with this

[44:35] work?

[44:37] Um, yes.

[44:39] And I'm going to ask attorney

[44:40] battle if she would just kind

[44:41] of address a little bit with

[44:41] raise.

[44:41] The age.

[44:42] >>.

[44:43] >> I'll just.

[44:44] Stand so you can see.

[44:45] Me but.

[44:46] >> so we raise the age.

[44:48] >> that where, um, 16 and 17

[44:50] year olds.

[44:50] >> were.

[44:52] Changed for as it relates to

[44:54] juvenile prosecution and.

[44:54] So.

[44:55] >> um.

[44:56] >> you know, when you think in.

[44:57] Hindsight sometimes changing

[44:59] local ordinances.

[44:59] >> to fit.

[45:00] State law.

[45:02] At a concurrent time frame is

[45:02] helpful.

[45:03] but I also.

[45:04] Think changes in data.

[45:05] Changes in.

[45:06] >> trend affect.

[45:07] Laws at a.

[45:09] >> state level and a local

[45:10] level.

[45:10] And so.

[45:11] This coincides because.

[45:12] >> a.

[45:12] Lot of the crimes.

[45:13] >> that we see 16.

[45:14] And 17.

[45:15] >> year olds committing.

[45:17] After this 9 P.M. Time are

[45:19] crimes that are non diverting

[45:20] crimes that can.

[45:21] Be charged as an adult.

[45:22] And so if.

[45:23] Those same.

[45:23] 16 and.

[45:25] 17 year olds are who are.

[45:26] Oftentimes committing.

[45:28] These associated firearms

[45:29] offenses that deputy chief.

[45:31] Braley talked about if they are

[45:32] in that curfew time.

[45:33] Frame again when we.

[45:34] >> talk.

[45:35] About youth protection and.

[45:36] Raising the age, it all.

[45:38] Coincides because.

[45:39] That demographic.

[45:40] >> of youth would.

[45:42] >> now be required to be inside

[45:43] earlier for an earlier

[45:45] restricted hour and not have to

[45:45] worry about the.

[45:47] Sort of raise the age issue

[45:47] with.

[45:48] >> our 16.

[45:49] And 17.

[45:49] >> year olds as well.

[45:50] Thank you.

[45:52] Just for planning purposes and

[45:53] I'm going to come to council

[45:54] member mayfield next.

[45:56] Um I am going.

[45:57] To move.

[45:57] >> the.

[45:57] other two.

[45:59] Items at least one probably

[46:00] both of the other two items

[46:02] that are on the action preview

[46:02] here.

[46:03] >> to the.

[46:04] Manager's report.

[46:05] So that we have time.

[46:06] >> for the.

[46:07] We have another matter that we

[46:09] need to discuss and I want to

[46:10] start that at least by 6:00.

[46:12] So if it's possible in our.

[46:13] Comments we have 15 minutes

[46:13] before.

[46:15] 6:00 if it's possible.

[46:17] >> in our comments to avoid

[46:18] redundancy of questions if

[46:18] that's.

[46:20] Possible and just ask the

[46:21] council members uh please do

[46:21] that.

[46:23] Thank you for those questions.

[46:24] And council member mayfield.

[46:25] .

[46:26] Thank you.

[46:27] Thank you MR. Mayor.

[46:29] Thank you.

[46:29] Chief and.

[46:31] Team and all.

[46:32] >> of our law enforcement.

[46:33] .

[46:34] >> this is getting ready to get

[46:35] captured in a minute so.

[46:37] Y'all can give us a report.

[46:38] For the.

[46:40] Questions that I'm going to ask

[46:40] .

[46:43] Basically I want to have an

[46:43] understanding.

[46:43] Of it.

[46:44] >> was mentioned.

[46:44] That the.

[46:46] >> store at the park and rec

[46:46] passes.

[46:47] I want to know.

[46:48] Exactly how.

[46:49] Those are going to be

[46:49] distributed.

[46:50] To the youth.

[46:51] because of the youth that

[46:51] we're.

[46:52] Talking about, our youth.

[46:53] >> that get.

[46:55] Together online, then they're

[46:56] not necessarily the ones that

[46:56] we're already.

[46:58] Capturing if they're showing

[46:59] up.

[46:59] So it will be helpful to.

[47:00] >> know exactly how that's

[47:01] going.

[47:01] >> to happen.

[47:04] Also I want to identify.

[47:06] How the three priority.

[47:08] Communities were identified

[47:09] when.

[47:10] We've seen takeovers.

[47:10] Happened in.

[47:11] >> camp north.

[47:12] ,then.

[47:16] >> in university out at the

[47:16] outlet.

[47:17] Potentially can happen.

[47:18] >> at south park.

[47:19] I want to know.

[47:20] Have a better.

[47:21] Understanding of how these

[47:23] priority communities were

[47:23] identified.

[47:25] I also want to know.

[47:27] What current.

[47:28] Organizations do we.

[47:29] Have that.

[47:31] Have events at the 9:00 for our

[47:32] youth?

[47:34] What I'm sorry one more time

[47:36] current organizations or.

[47:37] Partnerships do we.

[47:38] Have that.

[47:39] Have events.

[47:41] Available for our youth at the

[47:42] 9:00?

[47:43] So back in.

[47:44] 2020 um.

[47:45] Manager jones.

[47:47] Knows but and you MAY have

[47:47] read.

[47:48] About it mayor.

[47:50] Harrington in 2020 the.

[47:52] city partnered with ymca.

[47:53] We created.

[47:54] A the.

[47:55] We supported the level up.

[47:57] Program which specifically was

[47:59] a youth play at lock in on.

[48:01] Fridays and saturdays in the.

[48:03] Evenings where they had access

[48:03] .

[48:03] The biggest.

[48:05] Challenge with if I'm

[48:06] understanding.

[48:07] Correctly is.

[48:07] That our.

[48:08] >> youth.

[48:09] Don't have the same access

[48:09] that.

[48:10] >> I.

[48:11] Had as a child.

[48:11] Park and rec.

[48:12] >> is where I live that.

[48:15] Is very expensive to go.

[48:16] >> you plan to going to.

[48:16] East way you're.

[48:18] Going you're paying to go to

[48:18] sugarcreek, you're paying.

[48:19] >> to go to take a key.

[48:20] So and even.

[48:21] >> at that.

[48:23] Their business hours are

[48:24] daytime business hours.

[48:26] >> so understanding what.

[48:27] Actual events do we have a

[48:28] young.

[48:29] People that are.

[48:31] 9:00 will be.

[48:33] Helpful even if.

[48:35] It's a ymca.

[48:36] Used to.

[48:37] >> be 6 to 11.

[48:39] And it was very targeted.

[48:41] So having a update on.

[48:42] The level.

[48:44] >> up program that restore you

[48:44] did.

[48:45] Mention a.

[48:46] Partnership with the y.

[48:48] It would also.

[48:48] >> be.

[48:49] Helpful to know.

[48:53] in 2020 2022.

[48:54] When did it stop?

[48:56] When did the.

[48:57] >> programs that.

[48:57] >> were.

[48:58] Specifically created.

[49:00] For outreach to young.

[49:00] People during.

[49:02] Those evening hours?

[49:03] When did that stop.

[49:05] And to see if there's any data

[49:07] that correlates.

[49:08] When we've.

[49:08] Seen the uptick.

[49:10] Not to mention.

[49:11] If you're capturing.

[49:12] Information are these.

[49:14] New children um, new residents

[49:15] ?

[49:16] Are they children.

[49:18] Of current.

[49:20] Community that lost access.

[49:21] To a program?

[49:23] I also want to know

[49:24] specifically.

[49:26] More detail with our.

[49:27] Partnership with the county.

[49:28] What exactly.

[49:29] >> is park and rec doing.

[49:30] >> to outreach?

[49:31] Are they.

[49:32] Opening up.

[49:33] Their services.

[49:34] For no.

[49:35] >> fee because um.

[49:36] We pay a whole.

[49:37] >> lot in texas.

[49:39] Between city and county texas.

[49:41] That pay for our parks and rec

[49:42] services.

[49:43] So it will.

[49:43] >> be helpful.

[49:43] >> to.

[49:44] Have a better.

[49:44] Understanding of what.

[49:46] Access to.

[49:47] >> our young.

[49:47] >> people here.

[49:48] Because a lot.

[49:50] Of us involvement has been here

[49:50] long enough.

[49:52] You grew up playing basketball.

[49:53] You grew up playing soccer.

[49:53] >> you.

[49:54] Grew up playing a lot of these.

[49:55] Things because you.

[49:56] Had access to it.

[49:57] That's one of the.

[49:57] Challenges that.

[49:58] We're seeing.

[50:01] But mainly.

[50:02] I would.

[50:02] Repeat the.

[50:04] What current after.

[50:05] 9 P.M. Meeting.

[50:06] Places have.

[50:07] Been created.

[50:08] Specifically for youth.

[50:10] And lastly.

[50:11] We put a lot.

[50:13] Of energy and time in.

[50:13] >> our.

[50:14] Relationship with the.

[50:15] National league of.

[50:15] >> cities and our.

[50:17] Membership.

[50:18] National league of cities has

[50:18] seven.

[50:18] Strategies for.

[50:20] >> cities to increase

[50:21] meaningful youth.

[50:21] Engagement for violence.

[50:23] Reduction has our.

[50:26] Team chief I'm not even sure if

[50:27] you're aware.

[50:27] Of the relationship.

[50:28] >> that we have with the

[50:29] national league of cities, but

[50:30] .

[50:31] That membership.

[50:33] They are.

[50:35] Studies that have.

[50:36] Already been created with.

[50:38] Experts around the nation that

[50:39] looks at the top seven.

[50:40] Strategies for cities.

[50:43] Senator voices and experience.

[50:43] >> of young.

[50:43] People most.

[50:45] Directly impacted by the

[50:46] balance.

[50:47] Include youth.

[50:47] And the.

[50:49] >> creation of the events.

[50:50] Establish advisory boards.

[50:52] Invite youth.

[50:53] Into existing meetings.

[50:55] Diversify the communication

[50:56] outlets.

[50:57] Connect young.

[50:58] People with their professional

[51:00] goals and opportunities to

[51:00] grow.

[51:01] Integrate youth.

[51:03] As facilitators and.

[51:04] Participants into.

[51:06] Existing programs.

[51:08] There are models out there we

[51:12] already have this membership.

[51:13] So we're not spending money.

[51:14] On a study.

[51:17] It would be helpful.

[51:19] To get that information.

[51:21] Back and I'm not going to try

[51:22] to get you to answer all of it

[51:22] right.

[51:22] Now chief.

[51:23] >> because my colleagues also

[51:24] have questions but those are

[51:25] the things that will be helpful

[51:26] for me.

[51:27] Yes thank you mayor.

[51:27] Thank you.

[51:28] Council member mayfield.

[51:31] Executive council member.

[51:33] Thank you mayor and.

[51:35] Thank you chief patterson.

[51:36] >> you and I have spoken.

[51:37] >> and I won't.

[51:38] Belabor the issue.

[51:38] Um.

[51:39] For me.

[51:39] >> to.

[51:40] Vote in favor of.

[51:40] This, I'll be candid.

[51:41] I really would.

[51:42] Need to.

[51:42] Have a lot.

[51:43] More comfort.

[51:43] With respect.

[51:44] >> to.

[51:44] What.

[51:45] Happens to parents.

[51:47] We've heard, um, from.

[51:47] A few.

[51:48] >> parents over the.

[51:49] Course of the last few.

[51:50] Weeks with.

[51:50] Respect to.

[51:52] >> job consequences.

[51:52] >> and.

[51:52] Other consequences.

[51:53] >> that are brought to.

[51:54] Roost with them.

[51:55] And I'm.

[51:57] >> just asking perhaps attorney

[51:57] battle if you.

[51:58] >> can help me.

[52:00] Pass the language.

[52:02] Here that has the parent

[52:02] responsible.

[52:03] If knowingly.

[52:04] Permitting a child.

[52:07] >> to be out and how that.

[52:09] Jibes with the exception that.

[52:10] >> says if a child is running.

[52:10] >> an.

[52:11] Errand at.

[52:12] >> the parents direction.

[52:13] That seems to be.

[52:14] Um in.

[52:15] >> conflict to.

[52:16] >> a degree.

[52:16] That feels.

[52:17] Unworkable for me.

[52:18] Can you help me understand

[52:19] that?

[52:20] Yes, yes.

[52:21] >> thank you.

[52:22] Council member.

[52:22] >> owens.

[52:23] >> um.

[52:25] >> I believe that those.

[52:27] Two areas of the.

[52:27] Law still.

[52:28] Intersect in a.

[52:29] Positive way.

[52:30] If a parent.

[52:31] Knowingly allows.

[52:32] Their minor child.

[52:34] >> to be out in a.

[52:35] Way that is.

[52:36] Not an exception to the curfew

[52:37] .

[52:38] Then the parent would be liable

[52:39] .

[52:39] Under the.

[52:40] >> curfew law for.

[52:42] Their child being out.

[52:42] However.

[52:43] >> running an.

[52:44] Errand is an exception so if

[52:47] the parent were to be knowingly

[52:48] aware that their juvenile was

[52:49] out.

[52:49] Under one of.

[52:50] >> the.

[52:51] Exceptions whether it would.

[52:53] Be an errand or going to or

[52:55] from work or out with someone

[52:57] who's 21 or older.

[52:57] Than they.

[52:58] >> would be.

[52:59] Subject to an exception and

[52:59] the.

[53:00] Juvenile nor the.

[53:02] Parent would be responsible.

[53:02] >> and so.

[53:03] >> the only time that the ju.

[53:05] The juvenile's parent or

[53:07] guardian would be responsible

[53:07] under the.

[53:09] Excuse me under.

[53:10] >> the.

[53:10] Ordinance would.

[53:12] Be if the juvenile were to.

[53:13] Be out in violation.

[53:15] >> of the curfew meaning their

[53:16] actions are not subject.

[53:17] >> to any exception.

[53:18] If the.

[53:20] Juvenile was out under one of.

[53:21] The exceptions again with.

[53:23] A 21 year old or with their

[53:24] parent running an errand out

[53:25] for an emergency or a.

[53:26] School event.

[53:27] If the.

[53:28] >> juvenile has an exception

[53:28] to.

[53:29] be out, then that.

[53:30] Exception extends.

[53:32] >> to the parent and the parent

[53:33] would not be held.

[53:34] Responsible and.

[53:35] Charged with a.

[53:37] Violation under the.

[53:38] Ordinance is.

[53:39] When a parent knows that their.

[53:40] Child is out at a teen.

[53:42] Takeover for example when the

[53:43] parent would be.

[53:44] Responsible.

[53:45] >> with.

[53:47] Could I have one follow up?

[53:48] So just a brief follow up and

[53:49] again.

[53:50] >> we can we can talk.

[53:51] Offline and perhaps you know

[53:52] when.

[53:52] >> we.

[53:52] Bring this.

[53:52] Back up.

[53:53] >> you can give me some

[53:53] additional.

[53:54] Comfort.

[53:55] >> what support.

[53:56] >> attorney.

[53:57] Battle do we have.

[53:59] For families.

[53:59] Who are.

[53:59] >> having an.

[54:01] >> issue with a teen who they

[54:04] are unable to enforce

[54:04] restrictions.

[54:05] >> on in a meaningful.

[54:06] Way either because of their.

[54:07] Job schedule or.

[54:09] Because the child is just.

[54:10] >> quite honestly unruly.

[54:11] If someone.

[54:12] Comes to.

[54:13] The court, what.

[54:14] Is it.

[54:15] >> that they're asking for?

[54:15] >> what support.

[54:16] >> are we able to give as a

[54:18] community to prevent them.

[54:18] From having.

[54:19] >> an issue?

[54:21] i think the first level of.

[54:22] Support starts.

[54:23] Before a juvenile where to be

[54:24] charged and that would be

[54:25] offering parents the resources.

[54:27] Of juveniles being involved.

[54:29] In powell um mayor's.

[54:32] Youth enrichment program reach

[54:32] program, all of those.

[54:33] Sorts of things.

[54:35] I think once we.

[54:35] Have a.

[54:36] >> juvenile who.

[54:37] Is not listening.

[54:38] To their.

[54:39] Parents um juvenile court

[54:41] happens in a couple of.

[54:42] Different ways.

[54:43] Some children are abused.

[54:44] >> and.

[54:46] Neglected, others are

[54:46] undisciplined.

[54:47] Others are.

[54:49] Delinquent as in criminal.

[54:50] If a.

[54:51] Juvenile were to.

[54:51] Be what we would.

[54:53] Legally call undisciplined as

[54:54] in they are skipping school,

[54:55] they are not listening to.

[54:56] Their parent.

[54:57] A juvenile's.

[54:58] Parent certainly could.

[54:59] Contact the.

[55:00] >> department of social

[55:00] services.

[55:02] To assist in getting resources

[55:03] .

[55:05] And having monitoring on that

[55:05] situation.

[55:06] That is not a.

[55:08] Situation where automatically a

[55:10] parent's custody rights are at

[55:10] stake.

[55:10] It is a.

[55:11] >> way.

[55:12] A parent can tell the court

[55:13] system my child was charged

[55:16] with a youth ordinance

[55:16] violation.

[55:18] my child is undisciplined.

[55:19] They were out.

[55:20] I was trying to keep them in

[55:22] the home and they were not out.

[55:22] And so.

[55:23] The judge.

[55:24] And the department of social

[55:25] services.

[55:27] And the department of juvenile

[55:28] justice can.

[55:29] Offer resources once.

[55:30] We get to a.

[55:32] Situation where we use the

[55:33] legal.

[55:33] Definition of a.

[55:34] Child being.

[55:36] Undisciplined and they refuse

[55:36] to follow.

[55:39] Curfew despite their parent's

[55:40] best efforts.

[55:41] >> okay.

[55:42] Thank you.

[55:42] Just briefly if you'll follow.

[55:44] Up again on whether that does.

[55:45] Prompt the.

[55:45] >> opening of a.

[55:46] Neglect case, I've.

[55:48] >> been told that it does.

[55:49] And that gives me pause.

[55:49] Thank you.

[55:51] ,councilmember owens.

[55:53] >> if I can I can just address

[55:55] that as well because I had the

[55:55] conversation this morning with

[55:57] our district attorney um,

[55:58] similar to that matter.

[56:01] Um, they do have diversion

[56:01] programs.

[56:02] We are not trying to get in a

[56:05] habit of where a parent or a

[56:07] teen is in the criminal justice

[56:09] system um per se, so they do

[56:11] the district attorney's office

[56:12] to do diversion.

[56:13] They do classes where the

[56:14] parent has to do a parenting

[56:16] class so that the charge is.

[56:16] That it.

[56:17] >> isn't on the record.

[56:19] Essentially.

[56:20] and likewise council.

[56:21] >> member.

[56:22] Owens I think.

[56:23] It's a situation where.

[56:24] In general a.

[56:24] Lot of.

[56:25] >> curfew violations.

[56:25] >> I could.

[56:26] >> see.

[56:27] Being diverted especially.

[56:29] If it is a first time offender

[56:30] versus a child.

[56:30] Who has.

[56:31] Other pending.

[56:32] Criminal matters or.

[56:33] Is a.

[56:33] >> repeat curfew.

[56:34] Violation or.

[56:35] Excuse me.

[56:36] >> a repeat curfew violator.

[56:37] But once.

[56:38] >> at the.

[56:38] Courthouse the.

[56:40] >> department of juvenile.

[56:41] Justice as.

[56:41] >> in.

[56:43] Deja will take a holistic.

[56:45] Look at a child who is charged

[56:45] .

[56:45] >> with.

[56:46] A.

[56:46] Juvenile offense.

[56:47] And if.

[56:49] There were to be factual.

[56:50] Circumstances that.

[56:51] >> led to a neglect.

[56:51] Case that.

[56:53] Could happen.

[56:53] But that.

[56:55] >> is not automatic under the

[56:56] law for a curfew.

[56:57] Violation it will be facts.

[56:58] >> and circumstances.

[56:59] Within the knowledge.

[57:00] Of the court or dj.

[57:02] That could turn into an.

[57:02] Abuse, neglect.

[57:04] Or dependency.

[57:05] Case but it would not.

[57:07] Stem from the charge itself

[57:09] directly or not automatically.

[57:12] Thank you council member owens

[57:13] council member male.

[57:14] Thank you.

[57:15] Um I.

[57:16] >> had.

[57:17] A quick question.

[57:17] >> can.

[57:19] Staff show us like a map maybe

[57:20] at a later time of where the

[57:22] youth opportunities actually

[57:24] exist and where you have these

[57:24] partnerships?

[57:25] Uh.

[57:26] >> my concern is that there's a

[57:28] gap in that um.

[57:28] Particularly when.

[57:30] >> we're talking about steele

[57:30] creek.

[57:32] Nations ford is it a continuous

[57:35] conversation with our county

[57:36] commissioners, the fact that.

[57:36] There is a.

[57:41] Lack of um, recreation centers

[57:41] or place for.

[57:43] Kids to go.

[57:45] And then it exacerbates.

[57:46] These kind of issues.

[57:46] Um.

[57:47] >> so I'm.

[57:47] >> just.

[57:48] Curious based.

[57:49] >> on the programing that you

[57:52] all are already doing, how

[57:54] equitable is that and is are we

[57:55] really thinking through the

[57:56] needs of our community?

[57:58] So looking forward to seeing.

[57:59] That on the map.

[58:00] To see.

[58:01] Where is it occurring.

[58:03] And I'm hoping that we're

[58:03] using.

[58:05] Data to think where should it

[58:07] occur in the future and how

[58:07] can.

[58:08] >> we bring all our various

[58:10] partners, particularly our

[58:10] county partners.

[58:12] Who need.

[58:12] >> to bring.

[58:15] Additional resources like

[58:15] recreation.

[58:17] Centers to.

[58:17] Steele creek and nations

[58:18] forward?

[58:19] Thank you.

[58:20] >> thank you.

[58:21] Council member mayo.

[58:23] Council member.

[58:24] Driggs thank.

[58:25] >> you, MR. Mayor.

[58:27] So I.

[58:28] >> believe this is a very.

[58:29] Serious issue.

[58:30] It's part of what.

[58:32] I consider to be a troubling

[58:33] breakdown.

[58:33] In in.

[58:35] Civil conduct noisy cars.

[58:36] Road racing.

[58:37] Uh.

[58:38] ,retail theft.

[58:40] So we have to fight back.

[58:40] I get.

[58:42] >> that I appreciate what.

[58:43] Cmpd is doing and intend to

[58:44] support.

[58:45] What you're doing.

[58:46] Uh, I will.

[58:48] Just point out I have a

[58:48] concern.

[58:50] Somewhat along the lines, uh.

[58:51] Of, uh.

[58:52] Council member.

[58:54] Owens in that, uh, I would.

[58:55] Estimate that of.

[58:55] The population.

[58:56] Of charlotte.

[58:58] About 200,000.

[58:59] Are below the age.

[59:01] Of 1817.

[59:01] >> and under.

[59:02] Uh.

[59:04] >> about 60,000 round.

[59:05] Numbers are.

[59:07] Uh in the 13.

[59:07] >> to.

[59:08] 17 bracket.

[59:09] And how many of those.

[59:10] >> are actually offenders?

[59:12] How many of them are actually

[59:13] causing this.

[59:14] Problem and how many others

[59:15] will be limited.

[59:15] >> in.

[59:17] Their freedom because we have

[59:18] to address.

[59:18] >> this.

[59:19] Issue and.

[59:20] In particular I would highlight

[59:21] the fact.

[59:21] >> that.

[59:22] I think.

[59:22] >> the.

[59:23] Offenders are the ones who are

[59:25] least likely to obey their

[59:25] parents.

[59:26] Uh and.

[59:28] So you have.

[59:29] >> this.

[59:30] Strange situation where we're

[59:30] cracking.

[59:32] Down and.

[59:32] >> the.

[59:33] Problem exists.

[59:34] Precisely with.

[59:34] >> the people.

[59:35] >> that won't.

[59:35] Uh, listen to.

[59:36] Their parents.

[59:39] And then you have this, um.

[59:41] Recourse to the parents in

[59:42] which they are.

[59:43] Exposed to penalties.

[59:44] So I.

[59:44] >> guess my.

[59:45] Question would.

[59:47] >> just be will parents have a.

[59:49] Defense against liability for.

[59:50] >> these fines because.

[59:51] They are in a.

[59:53] Situation where their child is

[59:53] out of control?

[59:55] But dc.

[59:57] Thank you sir for that

[59:57] question.

[1:00:00] So I will say oftentimes and

[1:00:01] and this is practical

[1:00:02] application I've seen it I've

[1:00:03] been a part of it.

[1:00:05] Um if we pick up your juvenile

[1:00:07] after curfew obviously we make

[1:00:08] the phone call.

[1:00:10] We have had multiple incidents

[1:00:12] where a parent has said hey.

[1:00:12] You know.

[1:00:14] As chief uh, that.

[1:00:14] Um MISS.

[1:00:15] Battle said my.

[1:00:16] >> child is undisciplined.

[1:00:19] I've reported him missing 14

[1:00:20] times in two months.

[1:00:21] They won't go to school.

[1:00:22] >> they won't listen to me.

[1:00:24] You guys bring them home and

[1:00:24] they walk.

[1:00:26] >> right out the back door,

[1:00:26] right?

[1:00:28] We're not giving that parent a

[1:00:29] citation because those are

[1:00:30] conversations that they're

[1:00:31] having with the.

[1:00:31] Supervisors.

[1:00:33] >> with our team, with the

[1:00:34] officer.

[1:00:35] >> that has that child.

[1:00:35] >> in.

[1:00:36] Their custody at that time.

[1:00:39] And so this is not a situation

[1:00:40] where the parent shows up to

[1:00:41] get their kid and they're

[1:00:43] immediately handed a citation.

[1:00:44] There are multiple

[1:00:45] conversations that are taking

[1:00:47] place and I've been part of

[1:00:47] those conversations.

[1:00:49] I've seen them happen where we

[1:00:49] sit down and.

[1:00:50] >> we try.

[1:00:51] >> to give that parent

[1:00:53] resources so there are

[1:00:54] opportunities where we are able

[1:00:56] to pull that juveniles uh,

[1:00:58] information up to see if indeed

[1:00:59] that parents account is true.

[1:01:01] And now often times in

[1:01:03] different cases it is true and

[1:01:04] we try to connect them with as

[1:01:04] many.

[1:01:06] resources as we can to try to

[1:01:07] help that parent out.

[1:01:09] Right.

[1:01:11] >> it means that you will have

[1:01:13] to use uh, a certain amount of

[1:01:15] judgment in your administration

[1:01:16] of these rules both as it

[1:01:20] relates to the uh uh, who's out

[1:01:21] and what they're doing and as

[1:01:22] it relates.

[1:01:24] So I appreciate that you have a

[1:01:25] tool here that can be brought

[1:01:26] to bear against the juvenile or

[1:01:28] the parent and uh.

[1:01:31] I trust cmpd to use that

[1:01:34] authority judiciously and and

[1:01:35] not penalize people who.

[1:01:36] Really aren't.

[1:01:37] Guilty of anything.

[1:01:37] So thank.

[1:01:38] You for what you're doing.

[1:01:39] Thank you, MR. Driggs.

[1:01:41] Thank you.

[1:01:42] Council member driggs I think

[1:01:43] next is council member graham.

[1:01:43] .

[1:01:45] >> and I'll be quick.

[1:01:47] MR. Mayor, I understand your

[1:01:48] time limit at 6:00.

[1:01:48] I just.

[1:01:49] Wanted to thank.

[1:01:51] Uh, cmpd and chief patterson

[1:01:52] for your leadership on on this

[1:01:53] particular issue.

[1:01:55] I was, uh.

[1:01:57] >> at university city, uh,

[1:01:59] joined the teen takeover and.

[1:01:59] >> uh.

[1:01:59] It was.

[1:02:00] Um.

[1:02:01] >> different at best.

[1:02:04] Uh, for sure there was a

[1:02:06] news article uh, interview

[1:02:07] where three football players

[1:02:10] actually supported high school

[1:02:11] football players supported the

[1:02:13] teen curfew uh, and wanted.

[1:02:14] Restrictions and.

[1:02:16] Guidelines for themselves as

[1:02:17] well as their peers.

[1:02:19] but they also wanted something

[1:02:21] to do as well right where they

[1:02:23] can go for a safe space uh and

[1:02:24] be responsible and.

[1:02:25] Hanging out and.

[1:02:26] >> doing things that teenagers

[1:02:26] do.

[1:02:28] And so I do.

[1:02:28] >> want to.

[1:02:29] Echo some of that.

[1:02:29] >> my comments.

[1:02:31] In reference to really making

[1:02:32] sure that this is.

[1:02:33] An intentional.

[1:02:36] Year round when something

[1:02:38] happens, not when.

[1:02:39] There's a shooting on on new

[1:02:40] year's eve, not when there's a

[1:02:41] teen take over.

[1:02:43] We have to be very intentional

[1:02:45] about interacting and engaging

[1:02:48] our our young people every day

[1:02:51] of the year and we have to have

[1:02:53] some collaboration with

[1:02:54] mecklenburg county and parks

[1:02:56] and recreation and how these

[1:02:58] rec centers are being utilized

[1:02:59] all over the city.

[1:03:00] Uh, for sure.

[1:03:04] Uh, and and we have to answer

[1:03:05] the question about all the

[1:03:07] schools that are sitting empty

[1:03:09] during the summer months with

[1:03:11] pools and gymnasium and and

[1:03:13] empty classroom space where

[1:03:14] they can do a live variety of

[1:03:15] things.

[1:03:17] If we come together as a

[1:03:18] community and fund those

[1:03:20] activities and utilizing these

[1:03:22] schools uh council member male

[1:03:23] throughout the county

[1:03:24] throughout the city.

[1:03:28] Lastly there is a teen takeover

[1:03:29] that I'm aware of.

[1:03:32] Uh, it's a positive thing

[1:03:34] OCTOBER 24th and district two

[1:03:38] at the balloon studios there uh

[1:03:40] is an art take over mural

[1:03:43] painting uh canvas painting,

[1:03:45] drawing, sketching uh recording

[1:03:47] studio all will be in the iron

[1:03:48] district.

[1:03:51] It will be from 4 to 8 P.M.

[1:03:53] Before the curfew takes place.

[1:03:56] And so this is an example of

[1:03:57] where parents are coming

[1:04:00] together trying to organize

[1:04:02] creative activities for their

[1:04:02] kids.

[1:04:05] So we need to the school system

[1:04:07] the county nonprofit

[1:04:08] organization and churches to be

[1:04:11] very intentional every day of

[1:04:12] the year.

[1:04:14] Not until there's a major

[1:04:15] incident and then everyone is

[1:04:16] excited about helping the

[1:04:17] youth.

[1:04:18] Uh, and then four weeks from

[1:04:19] now we're off to something

[1:04:20] else.

[1:04:21] Thank you.

[1:04:22] >> council member graham

[1:04:23] council member johnson.

[1:04:25] Thank you.

[1:04:26] >> mayor.

[1:04:27] Um.

[1:04:28] >> what happens.

[1:04:29] If the.

[1:04:31] Curfew is violated.

[1:04:32] If the.

[1:04:34] Curfews violated there's a

[1:04:34] couple of things.

[1:04:37] One is our officers will take

[1:04:38] detain the youth.

[1:04:40] We'll call their parents, we'll

[1:04:41] talk to the parents.

[1:04:43] Um, if warranted, let's say

[1:04:44] this is about the third time or

[1:04:45] something like that this is

[1:04:45] occurred and they would do a.

[1:04:46] Juvenile arrest.

[1:04:47] >> on them.

[1:04:47] The officers.

[1:04:49] Have discretion in that area

[1:04:50] and if this is passed like I

[1:04:51] stated earlier we would start

[1:04:53] with the education campaign and

[1:04:54] then from there warnings and

[1:04:55] then enforcement.

[1:04:56] So you're.

[1:04:56] >> keeping.

[1:04:58] Track of the children that you

[1:04:58] detained?

[1:04:59] Yes we're able to do that.

[1:05:01] Okay.

[1:05:03] >> and if they're 16 or 17

[1:05:04] years.

[1:05:04] Old and.

[1:05:04] >> they're.

[1:05:05] Arrested are they charged.

[1:05:06] >> as an adult?

[1:05:07] No.

[1:05:08] >> no.

[1:05:10] >> jessica do you want to.

[1:05:10] Clarify that.

[1:05:11] >> yes.

[1:05:11] Or no okay.

[1:05:12] They are not.

[1:05:12] >> charged.

[1:05:13] As an adult.

[1:05:13] But they.

[1:05:15] Is that a misdemeanor?

[1:05:16] It will go to juvenile.

[1:05:17] Court um as a.

[1:05:19] Misdemeanor and it will be.

[1:05:20] It will be heard there.

[1:05:21] The only time.

[1:05:22] >> they might be charged with

[1:05:22] an adult.

[1:05:22] Is if.

[1:05:23] >> there's an accompanying.

[1:05:25] Offense that would make.

[1:05:27] >> them as a 16 or 17 year old.

[1:05:28] Held as an adult.

[1:05:29] Right?

[1:05:29] >> that would.

[1:05:29] >> be.

[1:05:31] The crime anyway, right?

[1:05:31] But I mean.

[1:05:33] >> just for the curfew alone.

[1:05:33] Yeah.

[1:05:34] >> no juvenile court.

[1:05:36] Okay, so you say.

[1:05:38] That if they're if they have a

[1:05:38] note from.

[1:05:38] >> their.

[1:05:39] Parent or they're on their way

[1:05:42] from work if they're in a car,

[1:05:44] are they able to be pulled over

[1:05:46] for curfew violation.

[1:05:48] Probable curfew.

[1:05:51] Violation legally if you look.

[1:05:51] >> at the.

[1:05:52] Black and white.

[1:05:53] Letter of the law seeing.

[1:05:53] >> a.

[1:05:54] Minor out who is.

[1:05:55] In the.

[1:05:55] >> age demographic.

[1:05:56] >> of the curfew.

[1:05:57] That would.

[1:05:58] Give law enforcement.

[1:06:00] Reasonable suspicion to stop a

[1:06:00] vehicle.

[1:06:01] However, chief.

[1:06:02] Patterson has authority.

[1:06:05] >> to set directives on how and

[1:06:06] when officers were.

[1:06:07] >> to.

[1:06:08] Work would enforce the curfew.

[1:06:09] But yes, it would be a

[1:06:10] reasonable suspicion.

[1:06:11] To stop a vehicle.

[1:06:11] Thank you.

[1:06:12] Do we have.

[1:06:12] A youth.

[1:06:13] >> council where we're hearing

[1:06:14] from the youth?

[1:06:16] Actually we do.

[1:06:16] >> and.

[1:06:17] I have uh, major tell us is

[1:06:19] here I know where in the

[1:06:20] interest of time we can get

[1:06:21] more information but we do we

[1:06:23] did reach out to the youth even

[1:06:25] at the beginning of the summer

[1:06:26] to get ideas on things that

[1:06:27] they would like done.

[1:06:28] So we will get that compiled

[1:06:29] and major tells will make sure

[1:06:31] we get that over to you okay.

[1:06:33] And then one of the slides.

[1:06:34] Said if a.

[1:06:35] Business knowingly.

[1:06:36] I'm looking for this slide.

[1:06:37] If a.

[1:06:38] Business knowingly.

[1:06:42] supports curfew violation the

[1:06:42] business can.

[1:06:43] Be penalized.

[1:06:46] So if a if a.

[1:06:48] Uh teenager.

[1:06:50] Goes out to dinner after a

[1:06:50] football game.

[1:06:52] They're in a restaurant.

[1:06:53] The restaurant is.

[1:06:55] Responsible or who has that

[1:06:55] business.

[1:06:57] Affected?

[1:06:58] >> I believe.

[1:06:59] The intent or spirit.

[1:07:00] >> of that particular part of

[1:07:01] the exception is.

[1:07:02] >> for.

[1:07:02] Businesses that.

[1:07:04] >> encourage juveniles.

[1:07:04] >> to.

[1:07:05] Violate the curfew.

[1:07:06] .

[1:07:06] >> um.

[1:07:06] Businesses that.

[1:07:07] >> conduct sort.

[1:07:08] >> of.

[1:07:09] Juvenile dance halls or.

[1:07:11] Juvenile clubs that.

[1:07:13] Allow juveniles to be out in

[1:07:13] violation of.

[1:07:14] The curfew.

[1:07:16] With the intent of violating

[1:07:17] the curfew.

[1:07:17] >> and breaking the law.

[1:07:19] But it wouldn't be something.

[1:07:19] >> where.

[1:07:20] Cmpd would be.

[1:07:20] Curfew police.

[1:07:22] Going to different restaurants

[1:07:22] to look.

[1:07:23] For juveniles.

[1:07:24] But if you allowed.

[1:07:25] An unlawful.

[1:07:25] Assembly of.

[1:07:27] >> juveniles to occur in your

[1:07:27] business.

[1:07:28] You could.

[1:07:29] >> be held responsible for.

[1:07:30] Allowing that.

[1:07:32] Restricted violation.

[1:07:33] but the offense is the same

[1:07:35] regardless of the intent, right

[1:07:35] .

[1:07:36] It is.

[1:07:37] However I believe.

[1:07:38] The intent.

[1:07:39] Goes to the enforcement.

[1:07:40] >> of.

[1:07:40] It in that.

[1:07:41] Cmpd would not go.

[1:07:43] >> out not going into

[1:07:44] restaurants or movie theaters.

[1:07:45] Looking for juveniles.

[1:07:46] But if it were.

[1:07:47] Intended to be.

[1:07:48] A teen toake.

[1:07:49] Teen excuse.

[1:07:50] Me teen takeover.

[1:07:52] Hosted inside of a.

[1:07:53] Business um.

[1:07:54] That would.

[1:07:56] Be where that particular part

[1:07:56] of the.

[1:07:57] Law takes place.

[1:07:58] We don't usually see that.

[1:08:00] That's a where charge it's.

[1:08:00] Typically the.

[1:08:02] Juveniles and.

[1:08:03] >> or their caregivers.

[1:08:03] That's fine.

[1:08:05] Just a couple more questions I

[1:08:06] told you mayor this is going.

[1:08:07] I mean.

[1:08:08] >> this is an important topic

[1:08:10] and we should be able to ask

[1:08:10] these questions.

[1:08:11] Okay.

[1:08:12] Um.

[1:08:20] The object or the intent.

[1:08:21] Or the purpose.

[1:08:22] >> is to address the.

[1:08:23] Teen takeovers.

[1:08:24] That's why we're.

[1:08:26] That's why.

[1:08:28] >> we're discussing this today.

[1:08:28] Is this a.

[1:08:29] Temporary measure?

[1:08:31] I would like to see this

[1:08:33] permanent um certainly if if

[1:08:35] like myrtle beach if we impose

[1:08:37] this and then we start to see

[1:08:38] reductions, we are seeing where

[1:08:39] teens are not being harmed or

[1:08:41] hurt, then that's something

[1:08:42] else we could bring back to you

[1:08:43] for modification.

[1:08:45] But we would like it to be a

[1:08:46] permanent change.

[1:08:49] So could we increase.

[1:08:50] The can.

[1:08:50] We bring.

[1:08:52] In some of these youth to look

[1:08:53] at social media and to stop.

[1:08:54] These teen.

[1:08:55] These teen.

[1:08:57] Takeovers before.

[1:08:58] They start?

[1:08:58] I heard.

[1:09:01] That there's been some activity

[1:09:01] and there's been some

[1:09:02] monitoring and.

[1:09:03] Because of that some.

[1:09:04] Of the.

[1:09:06] Planned events have fizzled out

[1:09:06] .

[1:09:09] Is that true in terms you're

[1:09:10] saying some of it has feels

[1:09:12] like recent reduction due to

[1:09:14] our monitoring.

[1:09:16] So we had how many teen

[1:09:17] takeovers dc riley.

[1:09:19] Um that we knew of the.

[1:09:21] Exact number that we responded

[1:09:21] .

[1:09:21] >> to.

[1:09:22] Over the summer were six.

[1:09:24] Okay.

[1:09:27] >> what I would like to see is

[1:09:30] some of these solutions.

[1:09:32] Enacted and.

[1:09:33] Maybe I don't know.

[1:09:34] Before we.

[1:09:35] Enacted a curfew.

[1:09:37] Or you know, maybe a temporary

[1:09:39] curfew and then we take a look.

[1:09:41] At, you know, opening up these

[1:09:41] third.

[1:09:43] Places working with the county

[1:09:44] I think this is an as an in

[1:09:44] governance.

[1:09:45] as a.

[1:09:47] Governance intergovernmental

[1:09:48] issue the county in the.

[1:09:49] State we need solutions.

[1:09:50] There's not.

[1:09:51] >> a skating.

[1:09:51] >> rink.

[1:09:52] In a.

[1:09:53] Reasonable district in this

[1:09:53] city.

[1:09:55] So if we want to fund.

[1:09:57] Something instead of.

[1:09:59] Increasing criminal I mean

[1:09:59] there's cates.

[1:10:01] But if you're in the university

[1:10:02] it's very, very far.

[1:10:03] So if.

[1:10:04] >> we want to fund.

[1:10:05] Something or be.

[1:10:06] Intentional about something.

[1:10:07] Let's be intentional about.

[1:10:09] Third places or solutions.

[1:10:11] >> are helping the youth.

[1:10:12] >> you know we have a.

[1:10:13] >> we have universities we.

[1:10:13] Can work with them.

[1:10:15] Maybe there's some options I

[1:10:16] just don't want.

[1:10:18] And I said I was not going.

[1:10:18] To you know.

[1:10:19] >> I was.

[1:10:20] Going to just be neutral.

[1:10:21] >> and.

[1:10:21] Really listen.

[1:10:22] >> but I don't support.

[1:10:24] Increasing um.

[1:10:26] Interaction with.

[1:10:27] Our youth and.

[1:10:28] Um.

[1:10:28] .

[1:10:28] And.

[1:10:30] Police on a negative.

[1:10:31] Basis or.

[1:10:34] Possibly impacting their

[1:10:36] criminal record and their

[1:10:37] future if there's something

[1:10:38] more that we can do.

[1:10:39] So I think we.

[1:10:39] >> should.

[1:10:40] Take a look at other options.

[1:10:41] before we.

[1:10:42] >> proceed.

[1:10:43] >> especially when you.

[1:10:44] >> talk about parents being

[1:10:44] responsible.

[1:10:46] I've spoken to a parent that's

[1:10:48] asked for help numerous times.

[1:10:50] Her child is committing crimes

[1:10:50] and.

[1:10:51] She can't get any help.

[1:10:53] So we.

[1:10:54] Have to look at this

[1:10:55] realistically.

[1:10:56] >> in my opinion.

[1:10:56] But you.

[1:10:57] >> know when the chief says if

[1:10:58] you if you don't do something.

[1:10:59] Children are going to die.

[1:11:00] >> I mean.

[1:11:01] >> that's something we also

[1:11:02] have the responsibility we want

[1:11:03] to protect our.

[1:11:05] Youth but protecting them is

[1:11:05] also.

[1:11:08] Providing solutions and

[1:11:09] protecting their future as well

[1:11:09] .

[1:11:10] Thank you.

[1:11:11] Thank you council member

[1:11:13] johnson council member MISS

[1:11:13] Various.

[1:11:15] Thank you mayor.

[1:11:16] Uh thank.

[1:11:16] >> you.

[1:11:17] Chief and thank.

[1:11:18] You uh staff.

[1:11:19] For really.

[1:11:20] Putting this presentation.

[1:11:21] >> I really.

[1:11:21] Appreciate it.

[1:11:22] I take.

[1:11:24] Particular interest.

[1:11:24] >> in.

[1:11:25] This issue.

[1:11:25] Uh.

[1:11:26] >> being the council.

[1:11:26] Member closer.

[1:11:27] >> to.

[1:11:27] Being a.

[1:11:27] Teenager.

[1:11:30] >> uh uh, just ten.

[1:11:31] >> years ago.

[1:11:32] Um.

[1:11:34] >> and so, um.

[1:11:36] You know, and I and I start.

[1:11:36] >> with.

[1:11:37] That because.

[1:11:39] Ten years ago there.

[1:11:39] >> were.

[1:11:41] Pools, there were bowling

[1:11:41] alleys.

[1:11:42] There are.

[1:11:43] >> places for.

[1:11:44] Myself and.

[1:11:44] >> my friends to.

[1:11:45] Go to.

[1:11:49] That a lot of places now impose

[1:11:50] restrictions for young people

[1:11:51] to be at.

[1:11:51] I have.

[1:11:51] >> a.

[1:11:52] Uh.

[1:11:53] >> 18 year old sister.

[1:11:54] >> who.

[1:11:54] I just asked.

[1:11:55] Recently what.

[1:11:56] Does she do for fun?

[1:11:58] And the only place she was.

[1:11:58] >> able.

[1:11:58] To say.

[1:11:59] >> it was.

[1:11:59] >> south.

[1:12:01] Park because everywhere else

[1:12:02] um, is for folks that are.

[1:12:03] 21 and up.

[1:12:04] And during.

[1:12:05] >> the world.

[1:12:05] Cup I.

[1:12:05] >> had.

[1:12:06] Family visiting.

[1:12:07] >> from colombia which.

[1:12:08] By the way.

[1:12:08] Colombia is.

[1:12:09] >> in my thoughts and.

[1:12:10] Prayers today after the.

[1:12:12] Earthquake that they

[1:12:12] experienced.

[1:12:15] Um and and we kind of watch.

[1:12:15] >> a.

[1:12:16] World cup.

[1:12:17] game because a lot of our bars

[1:12:18] and restaurants.

[1:12:21] Impose 21 and up restrictions.

[1:12:21] Right.

[1:12:22] >> and so.

[1:12:23] Intentionally or.

[1:12:25] Unintentionally um.

[1:12:26] Our policy decisions.

[1:12:27] >> and the business

[1:12:28] environment.

[1:12:28] That we've.

[1:12:29] >> created has.

[1:12:29] Made the.

[1:12:31] >> city and my belief.

[1:12:32] Unsustainable for.

[1:12:33] >> a.

[1:12:33] Younger people.

[1:12:34] Uh, to really thrive.

[1:12:35] >> in.

[1:12:35] And get involved in.

[1:12:36] Um.

[1:12:37] >> so I.

[1:12:38] And I take the.

[1:12:38] Recent youth.

[1:12:39] Takeovers and.

[1:12:41] >> safety concerns seriously.

[1:12:42] Uh.

[1:12:42] >> but I do.

[1:12:43] >> believe.

[1:12:43] We should.

[1:12:45] >> target harmful conduct.

[1:12:45] Not make.

[1:12:47] Simply being young and.

[1:12:48] Outside after 9 P.M..

[1:12:49] Grounds for.

[1:12:50] Police intervention.

[1:12:51] I think the proposal right now.

[1:12:52] >> as.

[1:12:52] It stands.

[1:12:53] Would impose.

[1:12:54] Uh, the.

[1:12:55] 9 P.M. Curfew on.

[1:12:57] Everyone under 18 and I.

[1:12:57] >> do.

[1:12:58] Think that's extremely.

[1:12:59] Uh, a broad response to.

[1:13:01] Incidents involving a.

[1:13:03] Much smaller.

[1:13:04] >> number of incidents.

[1:13:04] We heard.

[1:13:05] >> just now.

[1:13:06] Six incidents.

[1:13:06] Right.

[1:13:07] Um.

[1:13:08] >> the uh.

[1:13:09] I also have some.

[1:13:11] Concerns as well.

[1:13:13] Because we're not.

[1:13:15] Getting much.

[1:13:16] Help from.

[1:13:17] >> the state.

[1:13:18] We're seeing gaps.

[1:13:19] Within our the.

[1:13:21] County um, as well.

[1:13:23] As uh our schools.

[1:13:23] Uh.

[1:13:24] >> we mentioned empty.

[1:13:25] School buildings.

[1:13:26] Throughout the summer.

[1:13:26] Um.

[1:13:29] And also my concern about our.

[1:13:30] County jail system and.

[1:13:32] How, you know, we have violent.

[1:13:33] Criminals who.

[1:13:34] Commit to commit.

[1:13:36] Violent offenses.

[1:13:37] Who are let out.

[1:13:38] >> of.

[1:13:41] Jail uh, five hours later, you

[1:13:42] know, and and so how are we

[1:13:42] going to keep.

[1:13:44] >> at pace with this?

[1:13:44] Um.

[1:13:46] So I have a few.

[1:13:46] Questions and.

[1:13:47] >> I don't.

[1:13:48] Want to.

[1:13:49] >> uh, be later the point but,

[1:13:49] um.

[1:13:50] I currently.

[1:13:52] >> don't support this as it is

[1:13:52] .

[1:13:52] Without a.

[1:13:55] >> complimentary humanitarian.

[1:13:56] Youth centered.

[1:13:57] Solution attached to it.

[1:13:58] Um.

[1:14:00] >> some questions and follow

[1:14:00] ups.

[1:14:00] that we.

[1:14:02] >> can take offline are one.

[1:14:04] I would like to see.

[1:14:04] >> the data.

[1:14:05] On the.

[1:14:06] >> effectiveness of youth

[1:14:07] curfews.

[1:14:08] Um, as.

[1:14:10] Uh I did my research.

[1:14:12] Systemic uh, systematic.

[1:14:13] Review of 12 studies.

[1:14:14] >> found.

[1:14:15] No meaningful evidence.

[1:14:17] That youth curfews reduce crime

[1:14:17] .

[1:14:18] Or victimization.

[1:14:20] Um, a curfew.

[1:14:20] MAY disperse.

[1:14:21] One gathering.

[1:14:22] But it.

[1:14:22] >> could.

[1:14:23] Simply push.

[1:14:23] Young people into.

[1:14:25] Different and potentially.

[1:14:26] Less safe.

[1:14:27] >> locations for.

[1:14:28] >> their teen takeovers.

[1:14:30] Uh, perhaps.

[1:14:31] >> in the woods and the.

[1:14:32] Forest places you.

[1:14:34] Know where we will have no idea

[1:14:35] where they're at.

[1:14:36] Um.

[1:14:38] >> the other thing I have a.

[1:14:39] Question on is the sister.

[1:14:41] Cities examples.

[1:14:41] Um.

[1:14:43] >> I saw that there's.

[1:14:44] They're they're.

[1:14:45] >> much more flexible.

[1:14:46] With myrtle.

[1:14:48] >> beach having a, uh.

[1:14:50] Youth curfew 17.

[1:14:50] >> years old.

[1:14:51] >> and.

[1:14:52] Younger citywide at midnight.

[1:14:54] Atlanta 17 year.

[1:14:55] Olds and.

[1:14:56] >> younger sunday through

[1:14:57] thursday.

[1:14:58] 11 P.M. To 6.

[1:14:59] >> A.M..

[1:14:59] Friday and saturday.

[1:15:01] Midnight to 6:06 A.M..

[1:15:02] And then nashville.

[1:15:03] 18 years.

[1:15:04] >> old and.

[1:15:07] Under sunday through thursday

[1:15:07] 11 P.M..

[1:15:07] >> to 5.

[1:15:08] A.M. Friday and saturday.

[1:15:10] 12 A.M. To 5 A.M..

[1:15:10] And with the summer.

[1:15:13] Exception all curfews are from

[1:15:13] 12.

[1:15:14] >> A.M. To 5 A.M..

[1:15:14] From JUNE.

[1:15:16] 1st to AUGUST 31st.

[1:15:16] So I.

[1:15:17] Do would like to know.

[1:15:21] Why ours is a little less

[1:15:22] flexible and more uh, strict.

[1:15:23] Um and.

[1:15:25] >> what what uh.

[1:15:26] Studies and data led.

[1:15:27] To that.

[1:15:29] Um solution.

[1:15:29] Being presented.

[1:15:33] The third thing is we as a

[1:15:34] council and we've heard this

[1:15:37] from uh, cmpd as well we have

[1:15:37] limited resources.

[1:15:39] Uh, they're scarce.

[1:15:41] And so we also heard.

[1:15:42] You know, we won't have no

[1:15:42] curfew.

[1:15:43] Police.

[1:15:44] >> well, then.

[1:15:44] >> I.

[1:15:45] Asked them why a curfew.

[1:15:46] And then.

[1:15:47] But but that really.

[1:15:48] Ultimately leads.

[1:15:50] >> to another broader

[1:15:50] conversation.

[1:15:50] How will.

[1:15:51] We have.

[1:15:52] The capacity.

[1:15:56] And resources to process curfew

[1:15:57] violations, particularly when

[1:15:58] we have a lot of targeted

[1:15:59] operations happening.

[1:15:59] >> in center.

[1:16:02] City that are taking those

[1:16:03] resources away from other

[1:16:03] districts?

[1:16:04] Um.

[1:16:06] >> and then and.

[1:16:07] >> I hope this is jotting down

[1:16:08] and.

[1:16:08] >> I don't expect.

[1:16:09] >> the answers right.

[1:16:10] Now I just want to make.

[1:16:10] Sure it's.

[1:16:11] Brought in in.

[1:16:11] >> the.

[1:16:12] Meeting notes.

[1:16:13] Um, the.

[1:16:15] Office of youth opportunities I

[1:16:15] want to hone in.

[1:16:16] >> on that.

[1:16:16] >> I know.

[1:16:16] >> you.

[1:16:17] Said not to.

[1:16:17] Be redundant.

[1:16:18] >> but I just.

[1:16:19] Want to make sure it's out

[1:16:19] there.

[1:16:20] Um.

[1:16:22] >> what results have they

[1:16:22] produced.

[1:16:24] And why are sustained youth.

[1:16:26] Investments not a central

[1:16:26] component.

[1:16:27] >> of our corridors of

[1:16:28] opportunity programing?

[1:16:29] Uh.

[1:16:30] >> particularly because.

[1:16:30] >> I.

[1:16:31] Have not seen that in the east

[1:16:31] side.

[1:16:32] I do not see.

[1:16:34] Youth programing attached to

[1:16:34] corridors.

[1:16:35] >> of opportunity.

[1:16:36] Funding happening the east side

[1:16:36] .

[1:16:38] Um and then I want to.

[1:16:41] Touch base on municipal service

[1:16:41] districts.

[1:16:42] so in locations such.

[1:16:43] As the.

[1:16:45] >> university broadwalk

[1:16:47] boardwalk what responsibilities

[1:16:49] should property owners,

[1:16:50] security providers.

[1:16:51] And municipal.

[1:16:52] >> service districts.

[1:16:55] Uh carry instead of relying on

[1:16:55] a.

[1:16:57] Citywide youth curfew?

[1:17:00] Um and then my last question.

[1:17:01] Will the ordinance include.

[1:17:02] >> a.

[1:17:02] Sunset date.

[1:17:03] And independent.

[1:17:05] Evaluation and the data.

[1:17:06] Does indeed.

[1:17:07] Show and this.

[1:17:08] Council decides.

[1:17:09] To pass.

[1:17:09] >> it.

[1:17:11] Uh pass this ordinance.

[1:17:12] Uh.

[1:17:13] >> does.

[1:17:14] Not if the data shows that it

[1:17:15] won't reduce.

[1:17:16] Teen takeovers or improve.

[1:17:19] Safety or that enforcement is

[1:17:19] racially.

[1:17:21] Disproportionate because we did

[1:17:22] see that what.

[1:17:22] >> was the.

[1:17:24] >> number 91%.

[1:17:26] 91% of.

[1:17:27] Victims are black and.

[1:17:28] Hispanic or latino.

[1:17:30] Will it automatically expire?

[1:17:31] So those are some.

[1:17:33] Questions I want to put.

[1:17:33] >> it out there.

[1:17:34] And um.

[1:17:36] Just being conscious of time.

[1:17:39] Um I we.

[1:17:40] >> can follow up on.

[1:17:40] >> that.

[1:17:41] But thank you so much.

[1:17:41] Yes sir.

[1:17:42] Thank you.

[1:17:44] >> council member maxwell you

[1:17:44] must.

[1:17:45] Suara arias.

[1:17:47] Council member anderson.

[1:17:48] I think.

[1:17:48] >> you have the.

[1:17:49] Last question.

[1:17:50] Thank you, MR. Mayor.

[1:17:51] It gets a.

[1:17:52] Little I.

[1:17:52] >> gotta get.

[1:17:53] >> used to say.

[1:17:54] MR. Mayor here.

[1:17:56] Uh, but thank you, MR. Mayor

[1:17:58] and thank you, council for a

[1:17:59] very good conversation on this

[1:18:01] topic that the safety committee

[1:18:01] has, uh, delved.

[1:18:04] Into a lot of really good

[1:18:05] questions and perspectives.

[1:18:07] One thing I will say and I want

[1:18:07] to.

[1:18:09] Thank the chief and and her

[1:18:09] team.

[1:18:10] For all of.

[1:18:11] >> the work that they've done.

[1:18:14] You know both you know, I would

[1:18:15] say you know inside the

[1:18:15] building.

[1:18:16] Doing the research.

[1:18:17] >> and collecting all of this

[1:18:20] data and information but also

[1:18:22] equally if not more importantly

[1:18:23] out on the streets.

[1:18:24] Engaging with.

[1:18:24] >> our.

[1:18:26] Youth and our residents to try

[1:18:27] to curtail some of these

[1:18:27] events.

[1:18:30] Um, one of the most important

[1:18:32] things I think we get a lot of

[1:18:32] comments around.

[1:18:36] How we'd.

[1:18:38] Like to hold some of our

[1:18:40] partners accountable for their

[1:18:42] work and their efforts in a

[1:18:43] collaborative nature, but the

[1:18:45] reality is the structure of our

[1:18:46] state and therefore the

[1:18:48] structure of our local

[1:18:49] municipal government we don't

[1:18:51] have the same um, you know, the

[1:18:51] same.

[1:18:54] Ownership or managerial rights

[1:18:55] as some other cities have.

[1:18:56] So there's a reason that

[1:18:58] there's a board of county

[1:18:58] commissioners.

[1:18:58] >> and they.

[1:18:59] Have a.

[1:18:59] Charter and a purview.

[1:19:01] There's a reason that there's a

[1:19:03] uh, cms school board and they

[1:19:03] have a charter.

[1:19:04] >> and a purview.

[1:19:06] Many of the cities that we look

[1:19:09] at especially within our size

[1:19:11] as we're growing, they have

[1:19:12] different governmental

[1:19:12] structures.

[1:19:13] Some of them.

[1:19:13] Do.

[1:19:14] >> some of them don't.

[1:19:16] We happen to not have park and

[1:19:17] recs under our purview.

[1:19:20] That should not, however, deter

[1:19:20] us.

[1:19:22] From doing all.

[1:19:25] We can within the scope of our

[1:19:26] charter and within the scope of

[1:19:27] our safety measures.

[1:19:28] >> to.

[1:19:29] Ensure that our our.

[1:19:31] Children and our residents are

[1:19:32] safe and we can encourage our

[1:19:34] partners to do as much as they

[1:19:34] can.

[1:19:38] You know, I think that, um,

[1:19:40] slide ten sort of speaks for

[1:19:42] itself and uh, right, wrong or

[1:19:44] indifferent we're saying that

[1:19:47] um, our black and brown and

[1:19:48] latino uh.

[1:19:51] Juveniles are being victimized

[1:19:52] at a higher rate.

[1:19:55] That's just that's real

[1:19:55] information.

[1:19:56] It's not anecdotal.

[1:19:58] It's real information.

[1:20:00] Um and then when we look at the

[1:20:03] the percentage of those victims

[1:20:05] that are 16 to 17 that's that's

[1:20:09] a third of all of those um

[1:20:10] points of victimization.

[1:20:13] And right there within the

[1:20:14] space and I've had lots of

[1:20:15] conversations with residents

[1:20:17] and have received a lot of

[1:20:19] information um, and spoken with

[1:20:21] folks but really within the

[1:20:23] space of 16 and 17 is really

[1:20:25] when you get in that gray area

[1:20:28] where something can really

[1:20:29] escalate off of something like

[1:20:32] a curfew violation to some type

[1:20:33] of violent interaction where

[1:20:36] then you are deemed to give

[1:20:38] that permission to the courts

[1:20:40] to decide and exercise

[1:20:40] judgment.

[1:20:42] If a 17 year old should be

[1:20:44] charged as an adult or should

[1:20:45] have the responsibility of an

[1:20:47] adult, it just goes down into a

[1:20:49] rabbit hole that I think we

[1:20:51] need to be proactive as

[1:20:52] municipal leaders about.

[1:20:55] Um we also already have a

[1:20:57] curfew ordinance so this is not

[1:20:58] something that we're creating

[1:20:59] from a greenfield perspective.

[1:21:01] There is a curfew ordinance on

[1:21:04] the books now and today 13 year

[1:21:07] olds can stay out until 11 P.M.

[1:21:08] And I love being outside.

[1:21:09] When I was a young kid and had

[1:21:11] a bicycle and want to do all

[1:21:12] that kind of stuff but you know

[1:21:17] ,it's 1045 11:00 a time for a

[1:21:19] 13 or 14 year old to play

[1:21:20] unsupervised.

[1:21:22] Um, that's really a question

[1:21:25] around are we exposing them to

[1:21:27] higher uh, moments of

[1:21:27] potential.

[1:21:29] Victimization or can we do

[1:21:31] something protective to ensure

[1:21:32] that, um.

[1:21:35] Anything we're doing as a city

[1:21:37] council would help protect them

[1:21:39] and give their parents

[1:21:39] opportunities.

[1:21:42] So in closing, you know, this

[1:21:43] is our, uh, first conversation.

[1:21:45] Of course we'll come back to

[1:21:48] council to, um, answer some of

[1:21:48] these questions.

[1:21:51] But I would also encourage

[1:21:52] council if you.

[1:21:54] Didn't see or view or

[1:21:55] participate in the public

[1:21:57] safety committee meeting, you

[1:21:58] know, go back and review

[1:21:59] several of you were there and

[1:22:01] thank you for your engagement.

[1:22:03] But this is a really important

[1:22:04] topic and it's it's I think

[1:22:05] it's going to be difficult to

[1:22:06] appease every single person.

[1:22:09] But as we've heard six youth

[1:22:12] have lost their life due to gun

[1:22:12] violence.

[1:22:14] I think that's one too many and

[1:22:17] clearly 600% too many and we

[1:22:19] have to create spaces of course

[1:22:20] in third spaces and collaborate

[1:22:21] .

[1:22:22] But really and truly the onus

[1:22:24] is on us under our charter and.

[1:22:25] >> our.

[1:22:27] Purview as a city council of

[1:22:28] charlotte, north carolina to do

[1:22:30] as much as we can to protect

[1:22:31] our young people.

[1:22:31] Thank you mayor.

[1:22:33] Thank you, council member

[1:22:34] anderson I know there are

[1:22:35] others who MAY want to make

[1:22:35] comments.

[1:22:37] We have had a chance for

[1:22:38] everyone to make one comment or

[1:22:38] ask.

[1:22:40] To have one set of comments.

[1:22:40] Or ask.

[1:22:42] >> questions and so I want to.

[1:22:43] Hold it there because I know

[1:22:44] this is going to come back to

[1:22:45] us in some form.

[1:22:47] Um, but I want to make sure

[1:22:48] that we are evenhanded.

[1:22:48] >> and how.

[1:22:50] >> we have the round of

[1:22:51] questions.

[1:22:53] Um great discussion.

[1:22:54] Important issue as council

[1:22:55] member johnson has said.

[1:22:56] Uh, chief patterson.

[1:22:57] Thank you very much.

[1:22:58] Are there.

[1:23:00] Any final comments that.

[1:23:00] >> you'd like to make?

[1:23:01] >> no, that is it.

[1:23:02] Thank you MR. Mayor.

[1:23:02] Thank you council.

[1:23:04] Thank you very much.

[1:23:05] All right.

[1:23:07] I think we're going to flex a

[1:23:07] little bit and.

[1:23:09] Skip down to the parking and

[1:23:10] sidewalk ordinance.

[1:23:12] Uh, revision uh if manager if

[1:23:14] that's okay with you, uh, and

[1:23:15] we will hold.

[1:23:17] The other item uh, until your

[1:23:20] uh, report during the session

[1:23:20] downstairs.

[1:23:22] Absolutely.

[1:23:25] >> and mayor and members of

[1:23:28] council before I turn it over

[1:23:29] to council member.

[1:23:30] Graham I.

[1:23:32] I do want to make.

[1:23:35] If we could uh if folks could

[1:23:37] please we're um we've got

[1:23:38] limited time.

[1:23:39] Please be as quiet as you can

[1:23:40] exiting and moving around.

[1:23:42] Uh, and if council would give

[1:23:43] attention to the manager.

[1:23:44] Thank you.

[1:23:44] >> mayor.

[1:23:44] Friend.

[1:23:45] Uh.

[1:23:46] >> mayor members of council

[1:23:46] before I.

[1:23:49] Turn it over to council member

[1:23:50] graham.

[1:23:50] For the.

[1:23:51] >> sidewalk parking.

[1:23:52] I do want to.

[1:23:53] >> make sure I mention one

[1:23:54] thing about the collaboration

[1:23:55] between the city, the county

[1:23:56] and the school system.

[1:23:56] Uh.

[1:23:57] >> county manager.

[1:23:59] Uh, brian is out of town and

[1:24:00] I'd hate for him to come back.

[1:24:01] And, um.

[1:24:04] Me not at least say that, uh,

[1:24:06] doctor stewart and dcm hafner

[1:24:09] have been working with cms

[1:24:11] staff as well as the county

[1:24:12] staff specifically nick walker

[1:24:13] .

[1:24:13] Who's the.

[1:24:15] >> parks and rec director for

[1:24:16] many of the questions that

[1:24:17] you've had tonight.

[1:24:18] Um.

[1:24:20] >> for us to have different

[1:24:21] schedules with different camps

[1:24:23] and things like that, it's just

[1:24:24] not a great way to operate.

[1:24:27] So uh they have been working on

[1:24:28] that for a while and.

[1:24:30] So uh, more to come with that.

[1:24:31] Thanks.

[1:24:32] >> council member gray.

[1:24:35] Thank you, MR. Mayor.

[1:24:37] Um, uh, entering community

[1:24:38] relations director terry

[1:24:41] bradshaw and the assistant city

[1:24:43] attorney presented a proposal

[1:24:44] ordinance amendment addressing

[1:24:46] sidewalk parking asking the

[1:24:47] committee to advance it to the

[1:24:49] full council because our time

[1:24:51] sensitive nature uh, MR.

[1:24:52] Bradley explained that the

[1:24:53] issue was identified through

[1:24:55] the city's um, americans with

[1:24:57] disabilities act ada program

[1:24:58] after staff recognized and

[1:25:00] operational camp conflicting

[1:25:03] language in the city code of

[1:25:05] ordinance uh the action is the

[1:25:08] council the committee rather uh

[1:25:10] made a recommendation to the

[1:25:13] full council to um amend the um

[1:25:15] the ordinance for consideration

[1:25:17] at the AUGUST 10th meeting.

[1:25:18] And so they're here to provide

[1:25:20] an overview of that uh, meeting

[1:25:22] that we had uh, with the budget

[1:25:23] and governance committee.

[1:25:26] Um, MR. Attorney, MR. Brantley.

[1:25:39] So good evening.

[1:25:39] I think.

[1:25:41] Of this, uh.

[1:25:43] Um good evening.

[1:25:43] >> um.

[1:25:44] MR. Mayor, um.

[1:25:45] Members of.

[1:25:46] >> council and.

[1:25:47] MR. Manager.

[1:25:48] Uh.

[1:25:49] >> I'm here as the interim

[1:25:51] director of community relations

[1:25:51] department and.

[1:25:52] >> the.

[1:25:52] City of.

[1:25:53] >> charlotte ada.

[1:25:53] Um.

[1:25:55] >> um, coordinator I'm here

[1:25:56] this evening just to briefly.

[1:25:57] >> give you some.

[1:25:58] Context.

[1:26:00] >> um, over the sidewalk.

[1:26:01] Obstruction that we wanted to.

[1:26:01] >> kind.

[1:26:03] Of bring to your attention.

[1:26:03] Um, the.

[1:26:05] >> parking ordinance amendment

[1:26:05] that you're about to hear.

[1:26:06] From our.

[1:26:08] >> city attorney's office, um,

[1:26:09] is.

[1:26:09] Um, an.

[1:26:10] Issue that.

[1:26:11] >> really impacts.

[1:26:12] Um.

[1:26:12] >> not just.

[1:26:13] >> just the.

[1:26:14] >> disability community.

[1:26:15] But.

[1:26:16] >> uh, pedestrians.

[1:26:17] Um.

[1:26:18] >> this is about safety.

[1:26:19] Um, as we used.

[1:26:20] Um, the.

[1:26:22] sidewalk is a path of travel.

[1:26:23] We're also looking at

[1:26:24] opportunities where.

[1:26:25] People have to step.

[1:26:26] >> off.

[1:26:26] The.

[1:26:27] Curb to.

[1:26:27] Get into.

[1:26:28] Oncoming traffic and that's a.

[1:26:29] Uh.

[1:26:30] >> a safety.

[1:26:30] Issue that.

[1:26:32] >> we want to be mindful of.

[1:26:33] Um.

[1:26:34] >> so we we.

[1:26:35] Get the complaint.

[1:26:36] Um.

[1:26:38] >> by way of it came to the.

[1:26:39] Ada program.

[1:26:41] And we met with different

[1:26:43] departments um, that um.

[1:26:45] We collaborated with with cmpd

[1:26:45] .

[1:26:46] As well as.

[1:26:48] Cdot and other agencies to

[1:26:48] kind.

[1:26:49] >> of.

[1:26:49] Talk about.

[1:26:49] What are the.

[1:26:51] Ways that we can kind of

[1:26:51] resolve.

[1:26:51] >> this.

[1:26:53] Issue that's kind of ongoing.

[1:26:56] Um, and with that, um, we came

[1:26:57] up with something that was

[1:26:57] probably.

[1:26:58] Showing some.

[1:26:59] Conflict in.

[1:27:00] Um the language in the um in

[1:27:03] the ordinance and we have our

[1:27:04] senior attorney.

[1:27:04] Lisa flowers is.

[1:27:05] >> going to.

[1:27:05] Walk us through.

[1:27:06] Uh, what.

[1:27:08] >> that language um, is and

[1:27:09] what we were recommending that

[1:27:10] it be changed to.

[1:27:10] >> so with.

[1:27:12] That, um, lisa flowers.

[1:27:20] good evening.

[1:27:21] Mayor council.

[1:27:23] Um.

[1:27:23] .

[1:27:24] Manager's office.

[1:27:24] And others.

[1:27:25] In the room.

[1:27:26] Um.

[1:27:27] >> so as.

[1:27:28] >> terry mentioned, this.

[1:27:28] Is about.

[1:27:30] >> sidewalk parking.

[1:27:30] Um.

[1:27:32] >> our current.

[1:27:33] Ordinance language.

[1:27:34] Creates some challenges.

[1:27:35] For enforcement.

[1:27:37] Clarity and.

[1:27:38] Community safety.

[1:27:41] And so.

[1:27:41] Why we're.

[1:27:41] >> here.

[1:27:42] Is the.

[1:27:45] Pgr committee was.

[1:27:47] Charged with reviewing the

[1:27:47] ordinances.

[1:27:49] And we found.

[1:27:49] That two of.

[1:27:50] >> the.

[1:27:51] Ordinances that.

[1:27:52] >> speak to sidewalk.

[1:27:53] Parking were.

[1:27:53] >> not fully.

[1:27:54] Aligned.

[1:27:57] >> and so why is this.

[1:27:58] >> a problem?

[1:27:59] Um.

[1:28:02] >> it MAY seem like a small.

[1:28:03] Nuisance but as.

[1:28:03] Terry mentioned it.

[1:28:04] Can cause.

[1:28:05] Um problems for.

[1:28:07] Our disability community.

[1:28:08] Um.

[1:28:08] Even if.

[1:28:09] >> a.

[1:28:09] Vehicle is.

[1:28:10] Partially obstructing.

[1:28:11] >> a.

[1:28:12] Sidewalk it can.

[1:28:13] create a.

[1:28:14] Complete barrier to.

[1:28:16] Someone in a wheelchair.

[1:28:19] Um, somebody pushing a, uh,

[1:28:22] stroller or someone just trying

[1:28:23] to walk down the street to.

[1:28:24] Safely.

[1:28:26] >> also sidewalks are part of

[1:28:26] our.

[1:28:28] >> right of way system.

[1:28:30] And vehicles creeping into that

[1:28:31] pedestrian.

[1:28:32] Zone sort.

[1:28:33] >> of breaks.

[1:28:34] Down the function of that

[1:28:34] pedestrian.

[1:28:35] Zone.

[1:28:41] >> the impacts.

[1:28:44] Um, is if the.

[1:28:45] Sidewalks not.

[1:28:47] >> usable then pedestrians end

[1:28:48] up in the street and this is

[1:28:49] especially.

[1:28:50] Risky for.

[1:28:52] Kids and the elderly.

[1:28:56] But then there's also broader

[1:28:57] policy.

[1:28:58] Implications sends the.

[1:28:58] Message that.

[1:28:59] >> our.

[1:29:01] Pedestrian zone secondary.

[1:29:03] We lose.

[1:29:03] >> that sense of.

[1:29:04] Neighborhood connectivity.

[1:29:07] And then as as we've already.

[1:29:07] Mentioned the.

[1:29:08] Ada compliance.

[1:29:09] Issue if.

[1:29:10] The sidewalk.

[1:29:11] >> is blocked.

[1:29:12] It's inaccessible.

[1:29:13] To individuals with

[1:29:14] disabilities.

[1:29:16] Also it damages the sidewalks.

[1:29:17] >> our sidewalks.

[1:29:17] >> are not.

[1:29:20] Made to be to handle vehicles.

[1:29:22] And so it can cause an.

[1:29:23] Increased cost to.

[1:29:24] The city.

[1:29:27] for and work time.

[1:29:30] So these are the two provisions

[1:29:30] .

[1:29:34] Groups did not go there you go

[1:29:34] .

[1:29:36] These are the two ordinance.

[1:29:39] Provisions um that address

[1:29:40] sidewalk parking.

[1:29:41] And they both.

[1:29:43] Prohibit parking on the

[1:29:43] sidewalks.

[1:29:45] >> but 114 dash.

[1:29:46] 130 has an exception.

[1:29:47] For driveways.

[1:29:50] And because they.

[1:29:50] >> don't.

[1:29:51] Align.

[1:29:53] >> uh.

[1:29:54] .

[1:29:54] That.

[1:29:55] Risks inconsistent.

[1:29:58] Enforcement and potential uh.

[1:29:59] Citation disputes.

[1:30:06] So to eliminate.

[1:30:06] >> the.

[1:30:08] Simplest way.

[1:30:08] Was just.

[1:30:09] To eliminate that.

[1:30:11] Uh.

[1:30:12] >> exception from.

[1:30:13] >> 14 dash.

[1:30:13] 130.

[1:30:16] >> this um, clarifies that.

[1:30:17] Parking is.

[1:30:18] Not allowed at all on the

[1:30:19] sidewalk.

[1:30:19] >> makes a clear just.

[1:30:21] Standard um.

[1:30:22] Makes enforcement.

[1:30:23] Easier.

[1:30:25] >> improves consistency and

[1:30:25] strengthens.

[1:30:26] >> our.

[1:30:27] Accessibility.

[1:30:30] >> so this shows.

[1:30:32] And the.

[1:30:33] Committee did vote.

[1:30:33] >> to.

[1:30:34] Send this.

[1:30:37] Uh, approve this change to send

[1:30:38] it to this full council and

[1:30:39] this.

[1:30:39] >> is.

[1:30:40] The change.

[1:30:40] Basically just.

[1:30:41] >> to eliminate.

[1:30:42] That exception.

[1:30:43] Language everything else.

[1:30:44] Stays the same.

[1:30:46] >> and 14 dash 130.

[1:30:49] And I'll take any questions.

[1:30:49] >> if anybody.

[1:30:50] Has any.

[1:30:52] Questions questions.

[1:30:55] Council member johnson or

[1:30:56] council member mayfield.

[1:30:59] Thank you mayor.

[1:31:00] .

[1:31:01] Thank you for.

[1:31:03] The presentation.

[1:31:05] So the only question I'm gonna

[1:31:06] ask for this particular example

[1:31:07] is.

[1:31:09] Delivery drivers.

[1:31:13] So ups doesn't pull into

[1:31:13] residential.

[1:31:14] Homes anymore.

[1:31:16] We have a lot of area.

[1:31:18] Where the sidewalk.

[1:31:20] Is right up on the street.

[1:31:22] They don't pull into the

[1:31:23] driveway so they pull.

[1:31:25] Literally pull up on sidewalks

[1:31:25] .

[1:31:27] In order.

[1:31:27] To not.

[1:31:30] Be in traffic because it's one

[1:31:30] way so.

[1:31:32] Whether it's ups or other some

[1:31:33] some other.

[1:31:34] Large vehicle how does this

[1:31:35] apply.

[1:31:37] To delivery.

[1:31:38] And or pickup.

[1:31:40] Services in the city?

[1:31:42] When we do a lot of we have a

[1:31:44] lot of services that do.

[1:31:44] That today.

[1:31:47] Technically that's a violation

[1:31:47] but.

[1:31:49] um, if it's if it's a.

[1:31:51] Temporary uh.

[1:31:53] Issue I don't think it would.

[1:31:55] Cause a concern.

[1:31:55] >> as much.

[1:31:57] We do have the concern of.

[1:31:57] >> it.

[1:31:59] Being on the the.

[1:32:01] Sidewalk.

[1:32:01] .

[1:32:01] But.

[1:32:04] Uh, just.

[1:32:04] >> a temporary.

[1:32:05] Measure and then.

[1:32:06] And then.

[1:32:07] >> they're delivering a.

[1:32:08] Package and leaving.

[1:32:08] >> I think.

[1:32:08] Uh.

[1:32:09] >> it'd be.

[1:32:10] Difficult to catch that.

[1:32:11] For one.

[1:32:12] But, um.

[1:32:16] So you're what I'm thinking and

[1:32:17] could please.

[1:32:18] Correct me if, um if this is

[1:32:19] accurate.

[1:32:20] .

[1:32:20] >> what you all are.

[1:32:23] Anticipating is in residential

[1:32:23] neighborhood when.

[1:32:24] >> you have people that.

[1:32:26] Are visiting or you.

[1:32:27] Have a have a.

[1:32:30] Vehicle overnight or for an

[1:32:31] extended period of.

[1:32:32] Time where they're.

[1:32:33] You got a small.

[1:32:36] Driveway that's made.

[1:32:37] >> for two vehicles but you

[1:32:37] have.

[1:32:39] Three or more vehicles so they

[1:32:40] are blocking the actual

[1:32:42] sidewalk instead of either

[1:32:44] parking on the street or in the

[1:32:45] designated driveway.

[1:32:47] That's what you're anticipating

[1:32:47] correct?

[1:32:47] Thank you.

[1:32:49] >> thank you council member

[1:32:50] mayfield council member johnson

[1:32:51] .

[1:32:53] Thank you mayor.

[1:32:54] So the purpose.

[1:32:58] >> of this is to serve

[1:32:58] individuals.

[1:33:00] Um who are and.

[1:33:00] Like have.

[1:33:02] >> mobility challenges.

[1:33:02] >> is that.

[1:33:04] The purpose of doing this.

[1:33:05] ?

[1:33:05] >> it's for everybody.

[1:33:07] >> but it did come in through.

[1:33:08] Uh a complaint.

[1:33:09] >> an ada.

[1:33:10] Complaint okay.

[1:33:11] An ada complaint.

[1:33:14] So there there's a term I was

[1:33:15] talking to a developer today

[1:33:17] and he used the term drive

[1:33:17] appearance.

[1:33:19] I think those are shorter

[1:33:20] driveways.

[1:33:21] Um.

[1:33:23] >> so I'd like.

[1:33:23] To hear from.

[1:33:25] Planning if we could.

[1:33:27] If that's.

[1:33:27] >> a thing.

[1:33:28] >> are we.

[1:33:28] Moving towards.

[1:33:29] Shorter driveways in the city

[1:33:31] if there's, um what's the.

[1:33:33] Requirement for the driveway

[1:33:33] length?

[1:33:34] Um.

[1:33:35] >> because if.

[1:33:36] >> we're allowing shorter

[1:33:38] driveways, drive aprons.

[1:33:40] This seems like the conflict.

[1:33:41] In what we're building.

[1:33:43] And what we're trying to solve

[1:33:44] .

[1:33:47] Also does this apply to defined

[1:33:47] vehicles?

[1:33:49] Does it apply to scooters.

[1:33:51] On sidewalks?

[1:33:52] It it does not.

[1:33:54] Apply to scooters on sidewalks

[1:33:55] .

[1:33:55] There's the.

[1:33:56] There's an.

[1:33:57] >> exception it's a.

[1:33:59] Well if you look at the.

[1:34:00] 251 it.

[1:34:01] Mentions in.

[1:34:03] >> 14 dash 130 um.

[1:34:04] That it.

[1:34:04] >> does not.

[1:34:06] Include um.

[1:34:09] E-bikes and.

[1:34:10] Scooters except.

[1:34:11] >> for.

[1:34:11] 14 two and.

[1:34:12] 51 does.

[1:34:13] Prohibit them.

[1:34:14] >> from parking on the

[1:34:14] sidewalks in a.

[1:34:15] Certain area.

[1:34:15] >> of.

[1:34:16] Uptown there's a.

[1:34:18] Geo fenced.

[1:34:18] Area in.

[1:34:19] Uptown where.

[1:34:19] >> they're not.

[1:34:20] Allowed on.

[1:34:20] >> the sidewalks.

[1:34:22] So my concern and I was on a

[1:34:24] call in uh, council member

[1:34:26] mitchell was mayor pro tem was

[1:34:27] on the call also and there was

[1:34:29] a developer who said well,

[1:34:30] they're inexpensive.

[1:34:31] They only have.

[1:34:31] >> one car garage.

[1:34:32] Yeah.

[1:34:34] So that's kind.

[1:34:34] Of where.

[1:34:36] Attainable housing.

[1:34:36] >> is going.

[1:34:37] Um, one call.

[1:34:39] Car garage sure.

[1:34:41] Shorter driveways.

[1:34:42] Um and so.

[1:34:43] People almost.

[1:34:44] >> need to buy the one car

[1:34:46] garage in order to be able to

[1:34:47] afford to live here.

[1:34:50] So if they're not allowed to

[1:34:52] park in their driveway I think

[1:34:53] I'd have a concerned about that

[1:34:54] .

[1:34:56] I'd rather see an exception in

[1:34:56] someone's home in their.

[1:34:58] Driveway because people have,

[1:34:59] you know.

[1:35:00] More than one car.

[1:35:01] You know you have to have more

[1:35:02] people in the house to.

[1:35:03] Afford to live here.

[1:35:03] Right?

[1:35:06] So I think we have to be

[1:35:06] careful.

[1:35:06] >> with that.

[1:35:08] I'd rather see the the

[1:35:10] exception for scooters being

[1:35:12] parked on the driveway than not

[1:35:13] being able to park.

[1:35:15] >> in your own driveway.

[1:35:16] They can still park.

[1:35:18] >> in their driveway they just.

[1:35:18] >> need.

[1:35:19] To be.

[1:35:19] Totally in.

[1:35:19] >> their driveway.

[1:35:20] What we're seeing like.

[1:35:21] >> in.

[1:35:21] This.

[1:35:21] Particular neighborhood.

[1:35:23] >> where we got the complaint.

[1:35:24] Um.

[1:35:25] >> is they.

[1:35:25] Weren't pulling.

[1:35:26] >> all the way.

[1:35:27] Into their driveway.

[1:35:27] They're just.

[1:35:28] Stopping at.

[1:35:30] >> the at the bottom where the

[1:35:31] the sidewalk is.

[1:35:32] And that.

[1:35:34] >> is an ada violation.

[1:35:35] Um uh.

[1:35:37] If if the doj.

[1:35:38] Were to come in.

[1:35:39] They would.

[1:35:39] Say that.

[1:35:41] If we're not enforcing our.

[1:35:42] Making our.

[1:35:43] Sidewalks accessible.

[1:35:44] i know there's.

[1:35:45] >> a neighborhood in the itj

[1:35:47] and they're not allowed to park

[1:35:48] for their cars to block the

[1:35:50] driveway, but it.

[1:35:50] Really is.

[1:35:51] >> problematic for the people

[1:35:52] that.

[1:35:52] Live there.

[1:35:53] So okay.

[1:35:55] Thank you.

[1:35:58] Council member MR..

[1:35:58] Harris.

[1:36:00] >> thank you.

[1:36:00] >> mayor.

[1:36:01] Uh.

[1:36:01] >>.

[1:36:01] Thank.

[1:36:02] You so much for the

[1:36:02] presentation.

[1:36:05] Um, my.

[1:36:06] Questions are aligned.

[1:36:08] With council member mayfield

[1:36:09] and council member johnson.

[1:36:10] Uh, when.

[1:36:10] >> it.

[1:36:11] Comes to.

[1:36:12] Social gatherings.

[1:36:13] Um, that folks.

[1:36:16] My host and I my concern is

[1:36:17] particularly.

[1:36:17] >> with.

[1:36:18] The the speed.

[1:36:20] Of us approving.

[1:36:22] Rezonings for a townhome.

[1:36:23] Um neighborhoods that have.

[1:36:25] And colleagues.

[1:36:26] Uh you all might remember we

[1:36:26] have.

[1:36:28] Some debate.

[1:36:29] About the.

[1:36:31] >> length of the streets and

[1:36:31] uh.

[1:36:33] You know how many emergency.

[1:36:35] Vehicles can come in and out

[1:36:37] and whether there are enough

[1:36:38] exits available for this?

[1:36:39] Um.

[1:36:40] >> and so I.

[1:36:41] Think uh.

[1:36:41] >> and.

[1:36:41] This can.

[1:36:42] >> be uh.

[1:36:43] Answered offline.

[1:36:44] Um.

[1:36:45] >> you know, it's this.

[1:36:47] Transitional uh.

[1:36:48] We have the.

[1:36:49] Mobility plan.

[1:36:49] >> and the.

[1:36:51] Sales tax that is coming.

[1:36:51] Into effect.

[1:36:53] Uh, I know we're.

[1:36:55] Trying to transition uh.

[1:36:56] Into becoming a less car

[1:36:57] dependent city.

[1:36:58] Uh.

[1:36:59] >> but as well we are making.

[1:37:00] Decisions.

[1:37:03] >> uh, vr zoning meetings where

[1:37:03] we are.

[1:37:04] Um.

[1:37:05] >> uh, embracing.

[1:37:06] High density.

[1:37:09] And and very narrow driveways

[1:37:10] and narrow streets.

[1:37:11] Um.

[1:37:12] >> while at the same.

[1:37:12] Time people.

[1:37:14] Will continue to.

[1:37:14] >> be gathering.

[1:37:17] Um and so I'm wondering if if.

[1:37:18] >> we're just.

[1:37:21] Um I'm not sure I'm just uh.

[1:37:22] I just have all those

[1:37:22] questions.

[1:37:23] To ask.

[1:37:24] >> in.

[1:37:25] Terms of like how does this

[1:37:27] relate to infrastructure to our

[1:37:27] planning?

[1:37:28] Um, as well.

[1:37:29] As is.

[1:37:30] >> this a transitional.

[1:37:32] Um, is there going.

[1:37:33] >> to be a grace period uh.

[1:37:34] If folks get.

[1:37:35] Cited um.

[1:37:36] >> if.

[1:37:36] They're in.

[1:37:37] violation of the ordinance?

[1:37:38] Um.

[1:37:39] >> just being um being

[1:37:39] conscious.

[1:37:41] About us becoming.

[1:37:42] A growing.

[1:37:44] City, uh.

[1:37:45] That is embracing.

[1:37:46] >> high.

[1:37:46] Density that.

[1:37:48] Is creating um, more narrow

[1:37:51] streets and less spaces and

[1:37:51] particularly with.

[1:37:52] The uh.

[1:37:53] General assembly.

[1:37:54] Passing that.

[1:37:55] Um or discussions.

[1:37:56] >> of a.

[1:37:57] No parking minimum.

[1:37:58] >> right.

[1:37:58] Um so I'm.

[1:37:59] Just I know.

[1:38:00] >> I'm.

[1:38:01] All over the place but I hope

[1:38:01] you.

[1:38:02] Understand where I'm headed.

[1:38:04] Yes I do do um.

[1:38:06] And it is there's.

[1:38:06] I know.

[1:38:07] >> that.

[1:38:08] There's lots of issues that go

[1:38:12] into um why somebody might be.

[1:38:14] Blocking a driveway.

[1:38:14] Um.

[1:38:15] There could be.

[1:38:16] Four different.

[1:38:17] You know, ten.

[1:38:17] Different reasons.

[1:38:18] >> with ten.

[1:38:18] Different vehicles.

[1:38:19] >> in.

[1:38:19] A neighborhood.

[1:38:20] Um.

[1:38:22] >> and but this would.

[1:38:23] Be there's a.

[1:38:25] Education period that we would

[1:38:25] be.

[1:38:27] Implementing for sure.

[1:38:29] Um, the ada team has actually

[1:38:30] already been.

[1:38:30] working on.

[1:38:32] Um, in that particular

[1:38:33] neighborhood and the.

[1:38:34] Officer who's.

[1:38:34] >> been.

[1:38:35] Involved in this.

[1:38:37] Um, has been.

[1:38:37] Educating the.

[1:38:38] >> neighborhood and.

[1:38:39] >> they've actually.

[1:38:40] Improved out there.

[1:38:41] It's just.

[1:38:42] >> been an education.

[1:38:43] Of you know, some.

[1:38:44] People are.

[1:38:45] >> just they just don't pull.

[1:38:47] Quite enough up, you know.

[1:38:47] >> and.

[1:38:49] And they have room in their

[1:38:49] driveway.

[1:38:49] They're just.

[1:38:50] Not doing it.

[1:38:52] So um it's definitely.

[1:38:53] An education piece.

[1:38:54] Thank you.

[1:38:55] >> okay we're going to.

[1:38:56] Transition to.

[1:38:57] The, uh, council chambers.

[1:38:58] I know we have at least one

[1:38:59] more question.

[1:39:00] Council member ash mayor.

[1:39:02] Thank you, MR. Harrington.

[1:39:03] Um.

[1:39:07] So this will only apply to.

[1:39:09] Sidewalks, right?

[1:39:09] We're not.

[1:39:11] >> talking about driveways.

[1:39:12] Even if the drivers are.

[1:39:14] Sure to some of my colleagues

[1:39:15] question we are just talking

[1:39:17] about specifically sidewalks.

[1:39:18] Um I.

[1:39:19] Just want.

[1:39:21] >> to highlight one of the.

[1:39:25] Things I have seen there a

[1:39:26] parent pushing a.

[1:39:27] Stroller because that happens

[1:39:28] to me quite a bit.

[1:39:29] Um.

[1:39:31] >> there are a senior walking

[1:39:32] to the.

[1:39:33] >> bus.

[1:39:34] They're having they're.

[1:39:35] Being forced.

[1:39:38] To go into the traffic because

[1:39:39] sidewalks are blocked.

[1:39:40] So this is about safe

[1:39:41] infrastructure and I have seen

[1:39:45] that uh, because if we can

[1:39:47] build sidewalks which we are

[1:39:48] continuing to invest in because

[1:39:49] this is.

[1:39:50] One of the tools that we have

[1:39:52] to address to get to vision

[1:39:53] zero.

[1:39:55] But if we have blocked

[1:39:57] sidewalks it is forcing and

[1:40:00] it's putting pedestrians at

[1:40:00] risk.

[1:40:02] So I think that's another

[1:40:03] perspective to consider.

[1:40:04] Um.

[1:40:05] Seniors.

[1:40:08] >> parents of young children,

[1:40:09] folks with disability that's

[1:40:10] all I have.

[1:40:10] Thank you.

[1:40:12] Yes.

[1:40:14] >> um um so I want to.

[1:40:15] >> make.

[1:40:16] Sure that I'm understanding

[1:40:16] this.

[1:40:16] Okay.

[1:40:20] >> so my understanding it's a

[1:40:20] driveway.

[1:40:21] And if.

[1:40:23] I pull my.

[1:40:24] Car all the way out of the

[1:40:26] driveway and I'm blocking the

[1:40:27] sidewalk, there's a part of my

[1:40:28] driveway.

[1:40:30] That that's the problem.

[1:40:31] So it is the driveway.

[1:40:33] Okay.

[1:40:33] >> all right.

[1:40:34] >> okay.

[1:40:35] And what's happening is cmpd.

[1:40:39] Wants to write a citation but

[1:40:42] we have a conflict in the and

[1:40:43] so we need to figure out how

[1:40:43] is.

[1:40:44] The conflict.

[1:40:47] Going to be eliminated so that

[1:40:49] blocking the sidewalk becomes

[1:40:50] something.

[1:40:51] That's a some.

[1:40:52] Type of citation.

[1:40:52] Okay.

[1:40:55] >> once again talking.

[1:40:58] Is great or there.

[1:41:00] Other are there any other

[1:41:02] questions from council on this

[1:41:05] point or comment anything else

[1:41:07] manager thank you.

[1:41:07] Very much.

[1:41:09] We are going to transition to

[1:41:10] council chambers.

[1:41:11] We will.

[1:41:13] Take up the uh model cities

[1:41:14] initiative grant just so folks

[1:41:16] particularly online will know

[1:41:18] uh during the manager's report

[1:41:20] there and we'll also take up

[1:41:21] the items that were deferred

[1:41:23] okay.

[1:41:43] Um.

[1:41:47] Uh.

[1:42:23] >> and

[1:42:48] um.

[1:43:12] I'm.

[1:43:32] We'll now.

[1:43:32] Call the.

[1:43:33] >> meeting to order.

[1:43:35] Good evening and thank you for

[1:43:37] joining us in this in person

[1:43:39] and those watching online for

[1:43:41] our AUGUST 10th business

[1:43:41] meeting.

[1:43:42] Charlotte city council.

[1:43:44] Now let's begin with

[1:43:45] introductions around the dais

[1:43:47] starting with the city clerk.

[1:43:49] Billy toms, deputy city.

[1:43:50] Clerk andrea leslie fight.

[1:43:51] City attorney.

[1:43:52] Good evening.

[1:43:54] At large.

[1:43:55] Good evening.

[1:43:56] I'm victoria watlington and I

[1:43:57] have the pleasure of serving.

[1:43:58] >> you.

[1:43:58] As a.

[1:43:59] >> member at large.

[1:43:59] Good evening.

[1:44:01] Joy male representing district

[1:44:01] three.

[1:44:04] Good evening and happy stellar

[1:44:06] awards week and the city of

[1:44:06] charlotte.

[1:44:07] Dante anderson, district.

[1:44:09] One marcus jones, city.

[1:44:10] Manager good evening rob

[1:44:11] harrington mayor.

[1:44:12] Good evening.

[1:44:13] Everyone james mitchell mayor

[1:44:14] pro tem.

[1:44:15] Good evening everyone.

[1:44:16] Kimberly owens.

[1:44:17] Representing district.

[1:44:19] Six malcolm graham district

[1:44:19] two.

[1:44:20] At driggs district.

[1:44:21] Seven.

[1:44:22] >> good evening.

[1:44:23] >> luana mayfield.

[1:44:24] >> council member at large.

[1:44:25] Good evening jd.

[1:44:26] Arias proudly.

[1:44:26] Representing the.

[1:44:27] >> east.

[1:44:28] Side district five.

[1:44:30] Good evening I'm renee johnson

[1:44:30] .

[1:44:30] And I'm.

[1:44:31] Honored to.

[1:44:32] >> represent district four.

[1:44:33] Thank you all.

[1:44:34] We begin our meeting with an.

[1:44:36] Invocation expression.

[1:44:38] >> of inspiration followed by

[1:44:39] the pledge of allegiance.

[1:44:41] The invocation is intended to

[1:44:43] solemnized our proceedings.

[1:44:45] We celebrate the religious

[1:44:47] diversity of our community

[1:44:48] including those without a

[1:44:49] religious faith.

[1:44:50] Tonight council member owens

[1:44:52] will give our invocation.

[1:44:52] Council member owens.

[1:44:53] thank you mayor.

[1:44:54] I will.

[1:44:55] >> start.

[1:44:55] By saying.

[1:44:57] That when we start our.

[1:44:57] Year we.

[1:44:58] >> are assigned certain.

[1:44:59] Dates and obviously.

[1:45:00] Today is my date.

[1:45:02] In anticipation of that, I

[1:45:02] reached.

[1:45:03] >> out to a variety of.

[1:45:04] Faith communities.

[1:45:05] >> who find.

[1:45:06] Home within district six.

[1:45:08] And the following was given to

[1:45:09] be given to me.

[1:45:10] Rather, biden received maggi.

[1:45:13] Jr with the name of GOD.

[1:45:15] >> the most merciful, the most

[1:45:15] compassionate.

[1:45:18] We begin by acknowledging the.

[1:45:18] One who created.

[1:45:21] Us and our diversity different

[1:45:22] backgrounds, beliefs and

[1:45:23] perspectives.

[1:45:24] Yet united.

[1:45:24] In our.

[1:45:25] >> shared responsibility.

[1:45:26] To care for one another.

[1:45:28] And to serve the public good.

[1:45:30] We pray for wisdom for.

[1:45:31] >> those.

[1:45:32] Entrusted with leadership.

[1:45:34] MAY they be guided by.

[1:45:36] Honesty over convenience.

[1:45:37] Courage over.

[1:45:39] Comfort and service.

[1:45:40] Over self-interest.

[1:45:41] Grant them.

[1:45:42] Clarity of.

[1:45:42] Mind when.

[1:45:44] Decisions are complex.

[1:45:45] Steadiness of heart.

[1:45:46] >> when pressures.

[1:45:47] Rise and.

[1:45:48] Humility to.

[1:45:49] Listen to the voices of the

[1:45:49] people.

[1:45:50] They represent.

[1:45:52] we ask that our leaders be

[1:45:54] strengthened and integrity that

[1:45:54] .

[1:45:55] Truth be spoken.

[1:45:57] Clearly, that.

[1:45:59] Justice be pursued sincerely

[1:46:00] and that policies.

[1:46:01] Reflect compassion.

[1:46:01] For the.

[1:46:03] >> vulnerable and fairness.

[1:46:03] For all.

[1:46:05] Bless this gathering with

[1:46:07] respectful dialog.

[1:46:08] Thoughtful deliberation.

[1:46:08] And a.

[1:46:09] >> commitment to.

[1:46:10] >> what uplifts.

[1:46:10] Our community.

[1:46:11] As a whole.

[1:46:12] Help us.

[1:46:13] Remember that leadership is.

[1:46:15] Not power over others but.

[1:46:17] Responsibility for their

[1:46:18] well-being.

[1:46:20] MAY our work today contribute.

[1:46:20] To a.

[1:46:21] >> future marked.

[1:46:22] By trust.

[1:46:23] Accountability and.

[1:46:24] Shared prosperity.

[1:46:26] Amen.

[1:46:26] >> amen.

[1:46:28] >> thank you, council member

[1:46:29] owens.

[1:46:29] >> let's stand.

[1:46:31] >> for the pledge of

[1:46:31] allegiance.

[1:46:34] Allegiance to the flag of the.

[1:46:37] United states of america.

[1:46:37] And to.

[1:46:40] Publicly stands one nation

[1:46:41] under GOD.

[1:46:42] ,indivisible.

[1:46:43] >>, with.

[1:46:45] >> liberty and justice for all

[1:46:45] .

[1:46:48] Oh!

[1:46:50] Yes.

[1:46:51] We have.

[1:46:53] >> one proclamation for this

[1:46:53] evening and I'll turn it over

[1:46:55] for that to council member

[1:46:55] graham.

[1:46:57] Thank you.

[1:47:00] Um, MR. Mayor, um, and I'm

[1:47:01] honored to have the opportunity

[1:47:03] to read the the city of

[1:47:07] charlotte proclamation whereas

[1:47:08] national black philanthropy

[1:47:09] month is observed annually and

[1:47:12] AUGUST to celebrate and elevate

[1:47:14] the rich tradition of

[1:47:16] generosity, volunteerism, civic

[1:47:17] engagement and charitable

[1:47:19] giving within black communities

[1:47:19] .

[1:47:21] Recognizing philanthropy as a

[1:47:23] powerful force for positive

[1:47:24] social change.

[1:47:26] And whereas the foundation for

[1:47:28] black philanthropy an affiliate

[1:47:29] of the foundation for the

[1:47:31] carolina is established to

[1:47:33] inspire charitable giving,

[1:47:35] strengthen led black

[1:47:37] organizations and advance

[1:47:39] economic mobility, educational

[1:47:42] success, health equality and

[1:47:43] the community well-being

[1:47:44] throughout the charlotte region

[1:47:44] .

[1:47:46] And whereas the foundation for

[1:47:47] black philanthropy brings

[1:47:49] together donors, community

[1:47:50] leaders, advocates, jewish

[1:47:53] political challenges and create

[1:47:53] opportunities that build

[1:47:56] stronger families, more vibrant

[1:47:57] neighborhoods and a more

[1:47:59] equitable future for our

[1:47:59] residents.

[1:48:02] And whereas in 2026 the

[1:48:03] foundation for black from

[1:48:06] atrophy awarded $25,000 in

[1:48:08] grants $5,000 each to the

[1:48:10] various organization stars math

[1:48:13] and english academy mind body

[1:48:16] baby and c strive clt mothers

[1:48:18] of america offspring and youth

[1:48:21] development initiative is

[1:48:21] dedicated to improving

[1:48:23] educational achievement,

[1:48:25] maternal and family health,

[1:48:27] youth development, violence

[1:48:28] prevention, workforce readiness

[1:48:30] and economic mobility.

[1:48:33] Whereas these grants exemplify

[1:48:34] the spirit of black

[1:48:35] philanthropy through their

[1:48:37] commitment to expanding

[1:48:39] opportunity, fostering

[1:48:40] resilience, promoting healing

[1:48:42] and creating last change across

[1:48:44] charlotte and surrounding

[1:48:44] region.

[1:48:46] Demonstrating the collective

[1:48:49] impact that strengthen our

[1:48:51] community based on solutions.

[1:48:53] Now therefore, robert e

[1:48:54] harrington, mayor of the city

[1:48:57] of charlotte do by proclaim

[1:48:59] AUGUST 2026 as black street

[1:49:01] month and encourage our

[1:49:03] residents to not only recognize

[1:49:05] and celebrate the contributions

[1:49:07] of philanthropists, nonprofit

[1:49:10] leaders, volunteers, donors and

[1:49:11] community organizations but

[1:49:13] also to participate and support

[1:49:15] their efforts that uplift

[1:49:17] communities, expand

[1:49:18] opportunities and help build a

[1:49:20] stronger, more equitable and

[1:49:21] more prosperous charlotte.

[1:49:21] >> for all.

[1:49:25] Congratulations and this is

[1:49:26] black history month.

[1:49:28] Congratulations to all.

[1:49:35] MR. Mayor, there are a number

[1:49:36] of individuals here to receive

[1:49:38] the proclamation so they would

[1:49:39] join me in front of the dias.

[1:49:40] I will hand it to them.

[1:49:54] Starting.

[1:49:58] >> with the.

[1:50:01] Um.

[1:50:01] They were.

[1:50:05] A about a month.

[1:50:05] >> it consists.

[1:50:08] Of which I believe is the word.

[1:50:19] was taken.

[1:50:24] She has come to on the way.

[1:50:26] For.

[1:50:26] >> so long.

[1:50:27] Should we move?

[1:50:29] You know.

[1:50:30] Um, okay.

[1:50:31] >> it's just so we.

[1:50:32] Know what to say.

[1:50:36] I know, I don't want to ask.

[1:50:43] You.

[1:50:49] You know I can't see that money

[1:50:51] for us to make sure we get.

[1:50:54] Her welcome and I think.

[1:51:15] Thank you, council member

[1:51:15] graham.

[1:51:16] And thanks to all who were

[1:51:17] recognized for all you do in

[1:51:19] our community and the the

[1:51:20] really important work that you

[1:51:23] do as we transition into the

[1:51:24] remainder of the uh, the

[1:51:26] meeting, I'd like to um just

[1:51:27] give a little bit of background

[1:51:27] .

[1:51:29] I'd like to thank all of you

[1:51:30] for attending on behalf of the

[1:51:31] city council.

[1:51:32] I'd like to thank all of you.

[1:51:34] I ask that audience members be

[1:51:35] civil and courteous while in

[1:51:36] the chamber.

[1:51:38] We want to ensure that everyone

[1:51:40] has a positive experience while

[1:51:41] attending tonight's meeting.

[1:51:43] And that takes us now to uh.

[1:51:44] Open uh open.

[1:51:45] Public comment on.

[1:51:47] Amendments to the charlotte

[1:51:49] city map and charlotte streets

[1:51:49] manual.

[1:51:52] MADAM Clerk, do we have any

[1:51:52] speakers?

[1:51:55] Do I have a motion to close.

[1:51:56] Public comment.

[1:51:56] So moved.

[1:52:00] And is is there a uh any

[1:52:00] question.

[1:52:01] Discussion there?

[1:52:03] All in favor?

[1:52:03] you.

[1:52:04] >> here's.

[1:52:04] A question.

[1:52:05] Thank you.

[1:52:06] >> council member johnson

[1:52:07] number.

[1:52:07] Seven right is that.

[1:52:08] >> we are number seven okay.

[1:52:10] So I wanted.

[1:52:10] >> to.

[1:52:11] To ask.

[1:52:13] Looks like we're.

[1:52:15] >> changing the manual.

[1:52:15] >> I wanted.

[1:52:16] >> to know how.

[1:52:18] Cumulative impact.

[1:52:19] Um for.

[1:52:21] >> traffic studies is going to

[1:52:21] be consider.

[1:52:24] Do we.

[1:52:26] >> have is there anybody from

[1:52:26] the city.

[1:52:27] >> to answer question.

[1:52:28] That is coming?

[1:52:28] Okay.

[1:52:30] Motion was I.

[1:52:30] >> think it.

[1:52:31] >> just looks a.

[1:52:33] Hearing and she has a question

[1:52:33] about.

[1:52:33] Community.

[1:52:40] >> good evening mayor.

[1:52:41] City council.

[1:52:42] >> my name is.

[1:52:42] Debbie smith.

[1:52:44] Before we get there let's I

[1:52:46] think we probably should take a

[1:52:48] vote on the motion to close the

[1:52:50] public comment and then move

[1:52:51] into questions from council.

[1:52:52] Okay.

[1:52:53] So let's go ahead and take a

[1:52:54] vote on the pending motion to

[1:52:55] close close public comment.

[1:52:57] Any opposed.

[1:53:00] All right so public comment is

[1:53:00] now closed.

[1:53:02] Council member johnson please

[1:53:03] proceed with the questions.

[1:53:05] Thank you.

[1:53:09] >> it's my understanding.

[1:53:10] That we're going to.

[1:53:12] Review guidelines for traffic

[1:53:13] and.

[1:53:14] Park study guidance.

[1:53:16] So I wanted to know.

[1:53:17] We talked.

[1:53:17] >> about in.

[1:53:18] >> the past looking.

[1:53:19] At cumulative.

[1:53:23] Impact or changing the

[1:53:25] guidelines for traffic impact

[1:53:25] studies.

[1:53:25] Can you.

[1:53:27] Answer or tell me if they were

[1:53:29] going to be any consideration?

[1:53:31] The cumulative impact.

[1:53:32] Uh good.

[1:53:33] Evening.

[1:53:34] >> COUNCILWOMAN Johnson.

[1:53:34] Debbie smith.

[1:53:35] >> was.

[1:53:36] Charlotte department of

[1:53:36] transportation.

[1:53:38] I appreciate the question.

[1:53:39] So as part.

[1:53:40] Of the charlotte.

[1:53:42] Streets manual that we're

[1:53:43] looking at.

[1:53:44] >> right here.

[1:53:44] We're really.

[1:53:45] Looking at um.

[1:53:46] Uh.

[1:53:47] >> the recommended.

[1:53:48] Changes that.

[1:53:49] Are illustrated.

[1:53:50] In your document.

[1:53:51] And so as.

[1:53:53] Part of this process we're

[1:53:53] really trying.

[1:53:54] >> to do.

[1:53:56] Very streamlined administrative

[1:53:56] .

[1:53:58] Changes that clean that up.

[1:53:59] Right now.

[1:54:00] Currently there is.

[1:54:01] A referral.

[1:54:04] To the transportation planning

[1:54:04] and.

[1:54:06] Development subcommittee of

[1:54:09] council to talk about um the.

[1:54:10] Question of.

[1:54:11] The cumulative.

[1:54:13] Impacts that you've talked

[1:54:13] about.

[1:54:14] >> so we will be bringing back

[1:54:14] to you some.

[1:54:15] >> more information through.

[1:54:17] That process.

[1:54:19] But right now.

[1:54:21] The number is still.

[1:54:23] 2500 trips.

[1:54:24] To trigger a.

[1:54:26] Traffic impact study.

[1:54:28] Um yes.

[1:54:28] However, I would.

[1:54:29] Say that there.

[1:54:32] Are um, more details that I

[1:54:33] would like to be able to get to

[1:54:35] because depending on the size

[1:54:35] of the.

[1:54:36] Development.

[1:54:36] >> uh.

[1:54:37] >> to be.

[1:54:38] Able to answer that.

[1:54:40] Question more thoroughly.

[1:54:41] Okay.

[1:54:42] >> so we've.

[1:54:43] Been talking.

[1:54:43] >> about.

[1:54:45] This for a while and there was

[1:54:46] a presentation from staff.

[1:54:47] That we were going to be

[1:54:48] looking at it.

[1:54:49] So are we.

[1:54:50] Revising the manual.

[1:54:52] Now and.

[1:54:53] >> then referring.

[1:54:55] This item to committee?

[1:54:57] Is this something that can be.

[1:54:58] Considered in.

[1:54:59] >> this.

[1:54:59] In this version?

[1:55:02] So in this version right now we

[1:55:02] are.

[1:55:03] Making very uh.

[1:55:05] Strategic administrative

[1:55:05] changes.

[1:55:06] >> we're not looking to change

[1:55:08] those thresholds.

[1:55:08] >> okay thank you.

[1:55:09] You're welcome.

[1:55:12] Council member mayfield.

[1:55:14] Thank you.

[1:55:15] Mayor.

[1:55:17] >> debbie, if you can.

[1:55:21] Explain the difference.

[1:55:21] Between the.

[1:55:22] >> collect the street.

[1:55:23] To a local street.

[1:55:24] Sure.

[1:55:26] >> as well as what could the

[1:55:28] impact of that be when.

[1:55:30] We keep approving development.

[1:55:31] And then there's not.

[1:55:32] Uh.

[1:55:33] >> the street.

[1:55:34] To help.

[1:55:37] Mitigate the congestion?

[1:55:38] Absolutely.

[1:55:39] >> um.

[1:55:40] >> COUNCILWOMAN Mayfield, thank

[1:55:41] you.

[1:55:42] So much for that question.

[1:55:44] And so collector streets are.

[1:55:44] Just a type.

[1:55:45] >> of.

[1:55:46] Street uh.

[1:55:47] That is a collector.

[1:55:48] So local.

[1:55:50] Streets feed into collector

[1:55:50] streets.

[1:55:51] So with.

[1:55:53] Collector streets we are able.

[1:55:54] >> to get a.

[1:55:55] ,uh.

[1:55:56] >> cross or.

[1:55:56] >> a.

[1:55:58] Roadway width that can.

[1:55:59] Accommodate things like on

[1:55:59] street.

[1:56:00] Parking or.

[1:56:01] Turn lanes.

[1:56:02] And so.

[1:56:04] >> in the classification here

[1:56:05] that we're speaking of.

[1:56:07] We are now changing.

[1:56:07] >> that.

[1:56:08] Classification to a.

[1:56:09] Local street.

[1:56:11] however any.

[1:56:12] Development that comes in.

[1:56:13] >> would.

[1:56:14] Still have to mitigate.

[1:56:14] Any impacts.

[1:56:16] Of a development if.

[1:56:16] >> a.

[1:56:17] Development were.

[1:56:17] To come.

[1:56:19] >> in on a local street.

[1:56:20] So it would still.

[1:56:21] >> be required to.

[1:56:23] Uh, address.

[1:56:24] Certain conditions.

[1:56:26] So a collector street

[1:56:27] potentially can.

[1:56:30] Have recessed parking on street

[1:56:30] a.

[1:56:32] Local street could not.

[1:56:35] It's not it's it's typically by

[1:56:36] its design.

[1:56:36] >> it.

[1:56:37] Tends to not.

[1:56:37] Have a lot.

[1:56:38] >> of that uh.

[1:56:40] A lot of those changes.

[1:56:40] We could.

[1:56:41] Still look.

[1:56:42] >> at it.

[1:56:42] >> on.

[1:56:43] A side.

[1:56:43] By site.

[1:56:44] Classification to.

[1:56:46] Determine what street impacts

[1:56:47] would need to be.

[1:56:48] So when.

[1:56:49] >> you follow up to

[1:56:50] councilmember johnson's.

[1:56:51] Risk when.

[1:56:52] You give.

[1:56:53] Her the.

[1:56:54] >> response, it will be

[1:56:54] helpful.

[1:56:55] For me to.

[1:56:56] >> have.

[1:56:56] A breakdown because.

[1:56:57] >> we just.

[1:56:58] Had a conversation.

[1:57:00] About parking on sidewalks.

[1:57:01] We're also having a

[1:57:02] conversation.

[1:57:04] Regarding shortening driveways

[1:57:04] which is an.

[1:57:05] Oxymoron in itself.

[1:57:07] But if we're talking about that

[1:57:07] a collector.

[1:57:09] Street is a street that.

[1:57:10] Actually potentially has the

[1:57:13] recessed parking because again

[1:57:13] .

[1:57:15] Crazy thought people have

[1:57:15] vehicles.

[1:57:17] They might.

[1:57:19] Decide to have a gathering.

[1:57:20] At their.

[1:57:21] Home.

[1:57:22] >> where are they.

[1:57:22] >> going to park?

[1:57:24] So what could the.

[1:57:26] Impact of this be?

[1:57:26] It would be.

[1:57:27] Helpful to know.

[1:57:29] I'd be.

[1:57:30] >> happy to follow up.

[1:57:30] Thank you.

[1:57:31] Thank you.

[1:57:33] Any other comments?

[1:57:36] COUNCILMAN Any anyone else who

[1:57:37] had a council member as mayor

[1:57:38] of first come back to you?

[1:57:38] Council member johnson.

[1:57:39] Yes.

[1:57:42] >> so um, obviously this is.

[1:57:44] Not just, uh.

[1:57:48] Simple modifications here.

[1:57:50] There are two things that um.

[1:57:52] Were key.

[1:57:53] One, it was the first.

[1:57:54] >> was the fee in lieu.

[1:57:55] So if you can talk.

[1:57:57] About just the implications

[1:57:58] when developers.

[1:57:59] Will contribute.

[1:58:00] Pay in lieu versus.

[1:58:04] Developer versus building.

[1:58:05] Uh directly.

[1:58:07] Sure.

[1:58:08] >> so so.

[1:58:09] Then I'll talk.

[1:58:10] >> about second item later.

[1:58:10] okay.

[1:58:11] >> COUNCILWOMAN Ajmera.

[1:58:12] I would.

[1:58:13] >> love to invite.

[1:58:14] Jake carpenter down.

[1:58:15] My subject.

[1:58:16] Matter expert that.

[1:58:16] >> you.

[1:58:17] All see.

[1:58:18] On your.

[1:58:19] Rezoning nights to talk about

[1:58:20] the fee in lieu.

[1:58:22] Thank you.

[1:58:24] >> thank you.

[1:58:25] >> jay carpenter with that.

[1:58:28] Um, so the fee in lieu changes

[1:58:28] .

[1:58:28] As part.

[1:58:29] Of this.

[1:58:30] >> are really.

[1:58:32] Um, administrative.

[1:58:32] >> to.

[1:58:33] Give staff.

[1:58:35] Uh, options when.

[1:58:37] Um, a development can't.

[1:58:37] >> meet.

[1:58:38] Their.

[1:58:38] Criteria that's.

[1:58:39] >> outlined in.

[1:58:40] >> this manual.

[1:58:42] So it has to do with the.

[1:58:44] Multi-modal changes and finding

[1:58:44] .

[1:58:45] Improvements to make.

[1:58:48] Within a certain area of the

[1:58:48] site.

[1:58:49] And so this.

[1:58:50] Just kind.

[1:58:50] >> of.

[1:58:51] Outlines a.

[1:58:52] >> little.

[1:58:54] More uh, what the options are

[1:58:54] for.

[1:58:55] >> fee.

[1:58:55] And move for.

[1:58:57] Multimodal mitigations.

[1:58:59] Um it's really not tied to fee

[1:59:00] and move for.

[1:59:01] >> the greater.

[1:59:03] Development process or.

[1:59:03] um for.

[1:59:06] Cip projects or things like

[1:59:06] that.

[1:59:06] It's a.

[1:59:07] Very specific.

[1:59:08] Uh, situation that.

[1:59:10] Uh is just outlined a little.

[1:59:12] Better as part of these changes

[1:59:12] .

[1:59:14] So if you can give me an

[1:59:15] example of the.

[1:59:16] So a.

[1:59:17] Development it has to.

[1:59:17] Perform a.

[1:59:19] Multimodal assessment.

[1:59:19] As part of their.

[1:59:20] Development sometimes.

[1:59:21] And they.

[1:59:23] Um they have.

[1:59:24] Options in.

[1:59:24] >> the.

[1:59:27] Manual say to upgrade uh ramps

[1:59:28] to.

[1:59:30] Satisfy ada criteria.

[1:59:31] Um but in.

[1:59:33] >> some cases uh the manual

[1:59:33] says you can.

[1:59:34] Look within.

[1:59:35] A quarter mile.

[1:59:37] Um but there's.

[1:59:38] Nothing available.

[1:59:39] Because everything's been

[1:59:39] upgraded.

[1:59:40] And there's no options.

[1:59:41] Um.

[1:59:43] So they could instead to.

[1:59:44] Satisfy their.

[1:59:46] Development requirements.

[1:59:47] Um.

[1:59:48] Do a fee.

[1:59:49] In lieu to.

[1:59:50] Say construct.

[1:59:52] Two accessible ramps so instead

[1:59:52] of.

[1:59:53] Constructing them they would.

[1:59:55] Contribute um a dollar.

[1:59:56] Amount to.

[1:59:57] >> the transportation.

[1:59:58] Program to.

[1:59:59] Satisfy their.

[2:00:00] development requirements.

[2:00:00] So when.

[2:00:04] They contribute in pay in lieu

[2:00:06] fund would those funds be used

[2:00:07] to build that?

[2:00:10] Well in this case there's

[2:00:11] nothing in the immediate

[2:00:12] vicinity.

[2:00:12] >> to build.

[2:00:13] So the.

[2:00:15] Department would be able to.

[2:00:16] Go really be a.

[2:00:17] Little outside.

[2:00:18] Of of.

[2:00:18] >> their where.

[2:00:19] >> the greatest need is.

[2:00:20] Yes.

[2:00:21] Okay that's very second.

[2:00:23] I noticed there's tier.

[2:00:24] Three parking reduction.

[2:00:26] Those were the only two major.

[2:00:27] Items I saw as.

[2:00:28] Part of the clarification.

[2:00:29] Could you speak to those.

[2:00:30] Parking reductions?

[2:00:32] Uh, so this is.

[2:00:34] Another case where uh, the.

[2:00:36] The goal.

[2:00:38] Is to kind of.

[2:00:38] Outline the.

[2:00:40] >> options a little bit better

[2:00:40] for staff.

[2:00:43] Um, there over time.

[2:00:44] There is a.

[2:00:45] Request for.

[2:00:47] Uh, parking reductions and this

[2:00:48] sort.

[2:00:48] Of just.

[2:00:49] Outlines the process.

[2:00:50] Um.

[2:00:52] So if a development uh.

[2:00:54] Requested this, the cdot.

[2:00:55] >> would work with the planning

[2:00:57] department, uh.

[2:00:58] >> and do a parking study for

[2:00:59] the.

[2:01:00] Development to see the.

[2:01:01] Various factors.

[2:01:01] >> that.

[2:01:04] Could, um, affect their parking

[2:01:05] need.

[2:01:06] And determine.

[2:01:08] If it was allowable to have a

[2:01:09] parking reduction.

[2:01:11] Um, for this specific

[2:01:13] development so you could have a

[2:01:14] multi-use development where you

[2:01:17] had multiple uses that uh,

[2:01:19] maybe had peak parking at

[2:01:20] different times so you could

[2:01:22] reduce the total parking that's

[2:01:22] needed.

[2:01:24] Uh, and this is a rare

[2:01:26] situation um, and staff has

[2:01:28] worked to work through it to

[2:01:29] this point as.

[2:01:30] Best as possible.

[2:01:31] Um, but this just gives a

[2:01:32] little more clarity to.

[2:01:32] Kind of how.

[2:01:34] To run that process.

[2:01:35] So for.

[2:01:36] >> those of you who.

[2:01:37] >> do not know tier.

[2:01:37] >> one two and.

[2:01:39] Three could you just explain

[2:01:39] that?

[2:01:42] I'm sorry explain.

[2:01:43] Tier three parking reduction.

[2:01:44] Park tier.

[2:01:45] >> three specifically.

[2:01:47] Because that's the only tier

[2:01:47] three.

[2:01:48] That's only.

[2:01:50] Parking reduction it speaks.

[2:01:51] To as.

[2:01:51] Part of this.

[2:01:55] I think the the.

[2:01:59] So the new the section 3.8.

[2:02:04] >> right sure and the the.

[2:02:05] Tier three parking is.

[2:02:08] Really it's a planning it's a

[2:02:10] level of of parking from the

[2:02:11] planning side of of the

[2:02:12] development.

[2:02:13] So it's.

[2:02:15] Um the the manual is cdot but

[2:02:17] the requirement is planning um

[2:02:20] so it's just a level of

[2:02:21] development that would um

[2:02:23] require a certain amount of

[2:02:23] parking.

[2:02:25] Okay.

[2:02:26] >> I don't have more questions

[2:02:27] but I'll follow.

[2:02:28] >> up with you later.

[2:02:28] >> that's all.

[2:02:28] >> I have.

[2:02:29] Thank you.

[2:02:30] Thank you.

[2:02:31] >> council member as mayor I'm

[2:02:32] going to come back to council

[2:02:33] member johnson.

[2:02:34] But are there any other

[2:02:36] questions or comments from.

[2:02:36] Council at this point?

[2:02:38] Council member johnson.

[2:02:40] Thank you.

[2:02:41] MR. Mayor.

[2:02:42] Um yeah.

[2:02:43] I'd like you.

[2:02:44] Guys uh, council.

[2:02:45] Member mayfield and asthma

[2:02:46] that.

[2:02:47] You asked.

[2:02:48] For staff to explain the.

[2:02:50] Impact when.

[2:02:50] >> we.

[2:02:50] Talk about.

[2:02:51] >> cumulative impact.

[2:02:52] >> um.

[2:02:53] >> uh.

[2:02:54] >> MISS Smith, can you.

[2:02:56] Can you.

[2:02:58] >> explain cumulative.

[2:03:00] Impact and the difference um,

[2:03:01] in what we're doing now.

[2:03:02] ?

[2:03:04] So COUNCILWOMAN Johnson.

[2:03:05] I think the way that I

[2:03:06] understand that question is

[2:03:07] really to talk.

[2:03:09] About what are the.

[2:03:11] Impacts when a development

[2:03:13] comes in to let's say whether

[2:03:14] it be by right.

[2:03:15] Or whether through a rezoning

[2:03:17] but to be able to talk.

[2:03:17] About the.

[2:03:18] >> traffic impacts.

[2:03:20] and I.

[2:03:20] >> would love to.

[2:03:21] Be able.

[2:03:21] >> to have.

[2:03:23] Um some time to.

[2:03:24] Be able to put together.

[2:03:25] Some information.

[2:03:25] And follow.

[2:03:26] >> up with you.

[2:03:26] And the.

[2:03:27] >> reason I ask.

[2:03:27] >> I've.

[2:03:27] Been I've.

[2:03:28] >> been.

[2:03:28] Bringing this up for at.

[2:03:30] Least probably five years or

[2:03:30] so.

[2:03:31] And why it's.

[2:03:32] Important is because.

[2:03:34] Currently if I'm correct that's

[2:03:35] .

[2:03:35] The trick the.

[2:03:36] Number to trigger a traffic

[2:03:37] impact.

[2:03:38] Study is 2500.

[2:03:39] Trips.

[2:03:40] Unless there's change.

[2:03:41] It's lower.

[2:03:42] Yes 1500.

[2:03:44] Trip 1500.

[2:03:46] 1500 or.

[2:03:49] >> trips and that's one.

[2:03:51] Petition has to have 2000 trips

[2:03:51] before we.

[2:03:53] Have a traffic impact study.

[2:03:55] But if you have three petitions

[2:03:57] next to each other and.

[2:03:58] >> they each have.

[2:03:59] A thousand mhm.

[2:04:01] There's no.

[2:04:02] Study on.

[2:04:03] >> how.

[2:04:03] Traffic is impacted.

[2:04:05] So this is.

[2:04:06] Happening all throughout the

[2:04:08] district and traffic just.

[2:04:09] Continues to.

[2:04:09] >> increase.

[2:04:11] But we are not requiring.

[2:04:12] A study.

[2:04:13] because it's not.

[2:04:14] Triggering that study.

[2:04:16] So we've talked.

[2:04:16] About it for.

[2:04:16] >> a while.

[2:04:18] So MR. Manager I think.

[2:04:18] >> this.

[2:04:19] Is important.

[2:04:21] If this could come before.

[2:04:23] Committee sooner than.

[2:04:24] Later because you.

[2:04:26] Know it's meanwhile traffic is

[2:04:27] just increasing and increasing

[2:04:29] and we're we're ignoring.

[2:04:30] This problem.

[2:04:32] So do we have an.

[2:04:34] Idea of how soon that can come

[2:04:34] to committee.

[2:04:38] It has been referred so we can

[2:04:39] make sure that this is

[2:04:39] something.

[2:04:41] That's as you just said.

[2:04:42] Um it's.

[2:04:43] >> in the queue now.

[2:04:44] Okay.

[2:04:44] >> thank you.

[2:04:46] And speaking of that I.

[2:04:48] Hope that we're looking at a

[2:04:48] referral tracker.

[2:04:50] Because I'm probably been

[2:04:51] referred.

[2:04:51] >> a while ago.

[2:04:52] Yeah.

[2:04:53] >> it's that good.

[2:04:53] Okay.

[2:04:54] >> thank you.

[2:04:56] That's all I have.

[2:04:56] Thank you.

[2:04:57] >> council member as mia has

[2:04:59] another question are there any

[2:05:00] other questions from those who

[2:05:00] have not.

[2:05:02] Spoken to the motion?

[2:05:04] Let's go.

[2:05:05] Council member watlington and

[2:05:06] then council members.

[2:05:08] Yeah my quick um I just wanted

[2:05:08] to lift up.

[2:05:09] You're right.

[2:05:11] This conversation feels like

[2:05:12] it's been going on since at

[2:05:13] least 2019.

[2:05:14] >> what is.

[2:05:14] The gap?

[2:05:20] Well.

[2:05:22] >> MR. Manager.

[2:05:22] Um.

[2:05:23] >> it is.

[2:05:25] >> in committee.

[2:05:26] It got referred to committee

[2:05:28] and we're going to put.

[2:05:29] >> it on.

[2:05:30] The top of the list of the

[2:05:30] committee.

[2:05:31] Sure.

[2:05:33] I know this isn't the first

[2:05:34] time staff has worked on it

[2:05:35] though, so I just want to

[2:05:36] understand truthfully what.

[2:05:37] >> is the.

[2:05:39] Barrier to delivering a

[2:05:40] response to this cumulative

[2:05:42] impact because if there's

[2:05:43] something real structural here

[2:05:45] or legislatively that we need

[2:05:46] to understand, I'd rather we be

[2:05:48] clear about that because as

[2:05:49] I've said, this has gone on for

[2:05:50] a very long time.

[2:05:53] So is there a is there a real

[2:05:54] structural barrier to be able

[2:05:57] to adjust such that we can have

[2:05:59] cumulative impact considered.

[2:05:59] ?

[2:06:01] >> and so.

[2:06:02] Manager say okay if I take a.

[2:06:04] Stab at that question.

[2:06:07] And so what I think uh is the

[2:06:08] opportunity that we have.

[2:06:08] Is to.

[2:06:11] >> better be able to explain,

[2:06:13] uh, the process by which we

[2:06:13] consider.

[2:06:14] All of.

[2:06:15] >> the traffic and I think

[2:06:16] over.

[2:06:17] Time we.

[2:06:17] >> have found.

[2:06:18] That, uh.

[2:06:18] Through our.

[2:06:20] >> processes and our procedures

[2:06:21] we haven't.

[2:06:23] Been explaining all.

[2:06:24] >> of the.

[2:06:25] Background information.

[2:06:25] >> that.

[2:06:26] Goes into the decision making.

[2:06:29] Uh, around that cumulative

[2:06:29] impact and.

[2:06:31] The impact of the.

[2:06:32] Developments that.

[2:06:32] >> are.

[2:06:33] Happening are.

[2:06:36] Absolutely considered in the

[2:06:37] decision making that happens.

[2:06:39] And I think being able to

[2:06:39] convey that.

[2:06:42] More clearly in a way to you.

[2:06:43] All is.

[2:06:44] Really where the.

[2:06:46] The opportunity presents itself

[2:06:46] .

[2:06:47] >> through committee.

[2:06:51] Okay.

[2:06:52] >> I look forward to hearing

[2:06:53] that in committee.

[2:06:54] So it sounds like what's in

[2:06:54] committee is not a policy

[2:06:55] question.

[2:06:55] It's a matter.

[2:06:56] >> of explanation.

[2:06:58] What what are we working on?

[2:07:00] Yeah I believe that it is

[2:07:02] really in clarity around um

[2:07:03] explaining the technical

[2:07:04] components that we have.

[2:07:06] Behind the work that we do.

[2:07:08] Uh, in a way that is very

[2:07:09] tangible and relatable.

[2:07:10] To the topics that you.

[2:07:11] All are.

[2:07:12] >> talking about.

[2:07:13] >> and then will we also

[2:07:16] understand once we understand.

[2:07:18] The explanation the.

[2:07:20] Outcome will we understand what

[2:07:21] is what's going to.

[2:07:24] Close the gap to the outcome

[2:07:25] because what we what I think I

[2:07:26] hear you say is that even

[2:07:29] though we're seeing 1500 for

[2:07:31] each petition before there's a

[2:07:32] threshold, there's some other

[2:07:33] mechanism that's looking

[2:07:34] cumulatively.

[2:07:35] Yes.

[2:07:36] >> that's the case.

[2:07:38] The outcome feels like there's

[2:07:40] still uh, an opportunity to

[2:07:41] improve our traffic and

[2:07:42] transportation.

[2:07:43] Planning because what we're

[2:07:45] seeing is overcapacity in these

[2:07:46] particular areas where we're

[2:07:47] building well, we also be

[2:07:49] getting some recommendations.

[2:07:49] >> of.

[2:07:52] What we can do to to make

[2:07:52] adjustments.

[2:07:54] There will be clarity on.

[2:07:55] The way.

[2:07:56] >> that we're presenting the

[2:07:57] information and then we will

[2:07:57] have.

[2:07:57] A a.

[2:07:59] Council conversation if there

[2:08:00] are other changes.

[2:08:01] >> that we should be making.

[2:08:02] Yeah.

[2:08:03] >> so will you be bringing back

[2:08:04] a recommendation?

[2:08:05] I'm trying to get a sense of

[2:08:06] what's gone into committee

[2:08:07] because of what we're going to

[2:08:08] get back is the explanation we

[2:08:10] MAY be able to get that is pre

[2:08:12] work before a committee

[2:08:13] discussion.

[2:08:14] Sure so we can provide we.

[2:08:15] Spent the committee discussion

[2:08:17] on the actual recommendations

[2:08:18] versus the explanation.

[2:08:19] We follow what I'm.

[2:08:19] >> saying.

[2:08:22] Yes the details.

[2:08:24] Yeah so I I'm.

[2:08:25] >> sorry no good.

[2:08:27] Okay so I think it's important

[2:08:28] I don't know if we have it

[2:08:28] before.

[2:08:29] us to.

[2:08:30] Just go.

[2:08:31] >> over the.

[2:08:32] Referral what the referral

[2:08:32] actually does.

[2:08:35] Yes to make sure that it is

[2:08:35] addressing the.

[2:08:36] Need.

[2:08:37] >> yes yeah.

[2:08:39] We'll take a.

[2:08:39] >> look at.

[2:08:40] >> that so we'll look them up

[2:08:40] okay.

[2:08:43] Okay okay okay.

[2:08:44] Does that happening right now

[2:08:46] or no because if we need to

[2:08:47] adjust the referral this would

[2:08:48] be the time.

[2:08:51] Uh I believe that the best

[2:08:52] course of action if you're

[2:08:54] asking for my recommendation is

[2:08:54] for us to take a.

[2:08:55] Look at that.

[2:08:57] And work with, um, city

[2:08:58] manager's office to make sure

[2:08:59] that we're in alignment with

[2:09:01] what you need and we can

[2:09:02] provide any of that.

[2:09:05] Pre work via, um, written

[2:09:07] information for you rather than

[2:09:08] playing it out right here today

[2:09:09] because I don't have that

[2:09:10] information with me today.

[2:09:12] So I don't know if that's a

[2:09:13] question for the clerk or

[2:09:15] before we move past this.

[2:09:16] This is the opportunity to

[2:09:19] adjust the referral to capture

[2:09:20] the need that councilmember

[2:09:21] johnson has brought up.

[2:09:23] So if no one has a referral

[2:09:24] right now, is that something

[2:09:26] that we can see before we close

[2:09:28] business today?

[2:09:29] Yes, you already have.

[2:09:29] So I.

[2:09:30] >> understand but what I'm

[2:09:30] saying is that I.

[2:09:31] Just want to reflect.

[2:09:33] Her correct questions.

[2:09:34] so yes thank you.

[2:09:36] Council member mayor.

[2:09:38] Yes.

[2:09:39] >> so since.

[2:09:39] >> we.

[2:09:39] Are talking.

[2:09:40] About feeling.

[2:09:41] Low I would.

[2:09:42] Like to.

[2:09:43] Lift up a one.

[2:09:45] Specific request that's been

[2:09:46] pending for almost a decade or

[2:09:47] longer.

[2:09:48] That's in district.

[2:09:50] Four and I know residents at

[2:09:51] this is right behind that

[2:09:51] pavilion.

[2:09:54] Um amphitheater.

[2:09:55] Where the.

[2:09:57] Neighborhood has.

[2:09:57] Lift up.

[2:09:58] That request.

[2:09:58] Because it.

[2:09:59] >> was between collector and

[2:10:00] the local street.

[2:10:02] Uh, so I would like to make.

[2:10:03] Sure and I think debbie.

[2:10:04] Your team.

[2:10:04] >> has already.

[2:10:05] Looked at that but there was

[2:10:05] no.

[2:10:06] Funding for it.

[2:10:07] But now.

[2:10:08] >> with this being new I would

[2:10:10] like us to make sure because

[2:10:11] that request has been pending

[2:10:14] for many years and the

[2:10:14] neighborhood.

[2:10:15] Has tried.

[2:10:20] Many times trying to get that

[2:10:20] request.

[2:10:21] Infrastructure request.

[2:10:23] Feel so I hope.

[2:10:24] Really with that.

[2:10:26] Okay thank you.

[2:10:27] So do you know which one I'm.

[2:10:28] Talking about.

[2:10:29] I believe I do.

[2:10:31] Yeah right behind that pavilion

[2:10:32] amphitheater councilmember

[2:10:33] johnson has been advocating for

[2:10:35] that for a while and they had

[2:10:36] reached at all.

[2:10:38] Of harris.

[2:10:40] Houston yeah harris hughes

[2:10:40] thank.

[2:10:41] You thank.

[2:10:41] >> you.

[2:10:42] .

[2:10:42] >> yes.

[2:10:45] There any further questions any

[2:10:46] further discussion from

[2:10:47] council.

[2:10:47] >> on.

[2:10:48] Item seven?

[2:10:49] Uh the motion with regard to

[2:10:50] street map.

[2:10:51] And street manual.

[2:10:52] No.

[2:10:54] >> is there a uh.

[2:10:58] Motion with regard to item

[2:11:00] seven the proposed changes that

[2:11:03] are in writing um on item seven

[2:11:04] in our um uh.

[2:11:06] Manual uh.

[2:11:06] >> book.

[2:11:08] Is there a motion?

[2:11:10] That ask.

[2:11:12] >> a clarifying.

[2:11:12] >> question.

[2:11:13] Mayor yes.

[2:11:15] Because for item seven is just

[2:11:17] receiving public comment on the

[2:11:18] amendment as well.

[2:11:19] Um, so.

[2:11:20] Yeah so that there is not an

[2:11:21] action.

[2:11:21] This is.

[2:11:21] >> just pop out.

[2:11:23] You're exactly right.

[2:11:24] And this.

[2:11:24] On my little.

[2:11:28] Notes here off so we will uh,

[2:11:29] move on to the public hearing.

[2:11:31] There are no further comments.

[2:11:33] We're now going to open the

[2:11:35] public hearing on the general

[2:11:35] obligation bond.

[2:11:37] Referendum to be set for

[2:11:38] NOVEMBER 3rd, 2026.

[2:11:40] madam clerk, are there any

[2:11:40] speakers.

[2:11:41] On speakers?

[2:11:44] So moved.

[2:11:46] Do we need a motion.

[2:11:47] >> right from the opening?

[2:11:49] Of.

[2:11:51] >> one?

[2:11:52] >> matthew okay.

[2:11:54] Matthew panic.

[2:11:54] >> do.

[2:11:54] I.

[2:11:55] Need to make.

[2:11:55] >> a motion?

[2:11:58] Yes I can.

[2:12:10] Good evening, mayor.

[2:12:11] Harrington council.

[2:12:12] Matt panic I'm with the

[2:12:13] charlotte regional business

[2:12:14] alliance.

[2:12:16] Uh, tonight I'm here to express

[2:12:18] our support for the city bonds

[2:12:18] that are before you.

[2:12:20] Um, um.

[2:12:22] >> and I'm not here to.

[2:12:23] >> speak for for one one

[2:12:24] industry or one company but

[2:12:26] really all the thousands of

[2:12:27] businesses and all the

[2:12:28] residents here um, in the city

[2:12:30] of charlotte everyone wants

[2:12:32] every resident in every

[2:12:32] neighborhood throughout the

[2:12:35] city to succeed, to have that

[2:12:36] opportunity to to better

[2:12:37] themselves advance themselves.

[2:12:39] That is the charlotte that has

[2:12:41] been the foundation for success

[2:12:42] for so many residents over the

[2:12:44] years and the charlotte that

[2:12:45] has attracted so many

[2:12:46] additional residents.

[2:12:48] Um they've come to our city

[2:12:48] over the years as well.

[2:12:50] The bonds before you tonight

[2:12:51] represent a continued.

[2:12:52] Commitment of.

[2:12:53] >> charlotte to being

[2:12:54] responsive to the needs of

[2:12:56] residents and creating a world

[2:12:58] class city for its residents.

[2:13:00] The investment in

[2:13:01] transportation, neighborhoods

[2:13:02] and affordable housing builds

[2:13:03] on prior bonds.

[2:13:04] And is.

[2:13:05] >> incredibly impactful for

[2:13:08] residents notably the $125

[2:13:09] million for affordable housing

[2:13:11] is historic in its amount and

[2:13:14] will be critical in addressing

[2:13:15] continued housing shortages

[2:13:16] facing many neighborhoods

[2:13:17] throughout.

[2:13:17] The city.

[2:13:19] The bonds essentially allow.

[2:13:20] Charlotte to keep up with the

[2:13:22] important infrastructure needs

[2:13:24] that make the city so livable

[2:13:25] connected roads, affordable

[2:13:27] housing, strong neighborhoods

[2:13:28] that's a recipe for a strong

[2:13:30] city brought together the bonds

[2:13:31] help the city keep up with the

[2:13:32] needs of residents as they live

[2:13:33] their lives.

[2:13:35] Go to work, go to school to

[2:13:36] enjoy restaurants and

[2:13:37] entertainment throughout

[2:13:37] charlotte.

[2:13:39] Simply put the bonds ensure

[2:13:41] that quality of life remains

[2:13:43] high for residents in charlotte

[2:13:43] .

[2:13:44] The alliance has long.

[2:13:46] Partnered with the city.

[2:13:47] >> and.

[2:13:48] Community leaders to shepherd

[2:13:50] the bonds to voter approval.

[2:13:51] We appreciate your foresight

[2:13:54] tonight on the bonds and your

[2:13:55] consideration going forward.

[2:13:57] Moving forward on the bonds is

[2:13:58] an important step for

[2:13:59] residents, your constituents

[2:14:01] and is a signal to them that

[2:14:03] charlotte continues to invest

[2:14:04] in meaningful ways in our

[2:14:04] community.

[2:14:06] Thank you very much.

[2:14:08] thank you, MR. Panic.

[2:14:09] Do you have a.

[2:14:11] Motion to close the public.

[2:14:12] >> hearing second okay.

[2:14:14] And a motion to adopt bond

[2:14:17] orders introduced for $280

[2:14:18] million of transportation bonds

[2:14:20] ,$20 million of neighborhood

[2:14:21] improvement.

[2:14:22] Bonds and.

[2:14:24] $125 million of house housing

[2:14:25] bonds.

[2:14:26] And adopt a.

[2:14:28] Resolution setting the general

[2:14:28] obligation bond.

[2:14:31] Referendum for NOVEMBER 3rd

[2:14:32] 2026 is to.

[2:14:33] Adopt b and c.

[2:14:34] And those that you.

[2:14:36] Asked for a motion to close the

[2:14:36] hearing.

[2:14:37] >> so do we need.

[2:14:38] >> to vote on that separately?

[2:14:39] I would move to close the

[2:14:41] hearing and approve b and c.

[2:14:43] Since we've got the motion out

[2:14:44] there let's just go ahead and

[2:14:44] vote.

[2:14:46] On closing the hearing if

[2:14:47] that's okay.

[2:14:48] Thank you for that.

[2:14:50] Is there any um any discussion

[2:14:53] all in favor any opposed?

[2:14:54] All right.

[2:14:56] Let's move to the um, motion

[2:14:58] itself to adopt the bond orders

[2:15:00] uh, introduced for the $280

[2:15:01] million of transportation.

[2:15:01] Bond.

[2:15:03] >> $20 million of neighborhood

[2:15:03] improvement.

[2:15:04] Bonds.

[2:15:06] >> $125 million of housing.

[2:15:07] Bonds and to.

[2:15:08] Adopt a resolution setting the

[2:15:09] general.

[2:15:10] Obligation bond.

[2:15:12] Referendum for NOVEMBER 3rd

[2:15:13] 2026.

[2:15:14] Is there a motion so moved?

[2:15:15] so any discussion?

[2:15:16] Yes.

[2:15:18] >> council councilmember what.

[2:15:20] So on the one 6875 I must

[2:15:21] recuse myself.

[2:15:21] >> from this but.

[2:15:22] I can't.

[2:15:22] >> hear.

[2:15:24] You accusing.

[2:15:26] Okay got.

[2:15:27] >> it okay.

[2:15:28] >> are there is there any other

[2:15:28] discussion?

[2:15:30] Council member watlington has

[2:15:31] recused council member as

[2:15:31] mayor.

[2:15:32] Yes.

[2:15:33] >> uh, thanks.

[2:15:33] >> to.

[2:15:35] The business alliance for your

[2:15:37] continued support with the bond

[2:15:37] .

[2:15:41] Uh, this is $425 million in our

[2:15:42] infrastructure and we often

[2:15:44] hear during our zoning meetings

[2:15:44] .

[2:15:46] There are cities growing and

[2:15:47] our infrastructure has to keep

[2:15:47] up with it.

[2:15:49] So this is a step forward.

[2:15:50] Appreciate the.

[2:15:51] Work of the.

[2:15:51] Budget team.

[2:15:53] MR. Jones, um.

[2:15:55] For helping us.

[2:15:55] Uh.

[2:15:57] >> with capital investment.

[2:15:58] So now.

[2:16:00] Um, let's hope that we continue

[2:16:02] to deliver the projects in a

[2:16:02] record time.

[2:16:03] That's all I have.

[2:16:04] >> this is about safe.

[2:16:06] Roads and safe infrastructure.

[2:16:06] Thank you.

[2:16:07] >> thank you council members.

[2:16:08] Mayor, are there any other

[2:16:10] questions or comments.

[2:16:12] About item number eight.

[2:16:12] ?

[2:16:16] okay next question on the uh

[2:16:16] the vote.

[2:16:18] All in favor please raise your

[2:16:19] hand of the motion as outlined.

[2:16:20] Any opposed.

[2:16:23] Motion carries okay.

[2:16:26] Next on our agenda is the, uh,

[2:16:27] city manager's report in our

[2:16:28] policy section.

[2:16:34] We deferred discussion of, um,

[2:16:35] 12345 items from our consent.

[2:16:37] Agenda that were pulled.

[2:16:37] Out of the.

[2:16:38] >> consent agenda.

[2:16:38] Uh.

[2:16:40] >> would like to proceed with

[2:16:40] that.

[2:16:41] Discussion now.

[2:16:45] And that the five items were.

[2:16:46] >> 23.

[2:16:51] 36, 45, 47 and 48 and um.

[2:16:53] On 20.

[2:16:57] 23 I believe that was

[2:16:58] councilmember johnson.

[2:17:00] Yeah.

[2:17:02] >> I just wanted it pulled out.

[2:17:03] For discussion.

[2:17:05] Here more about it.

[2:17:06] >> which one?

[2:17:06] >> number 23 correct.

[2:17:08] Yes, that's the question.

[2:17:10] I just wanted.

[2:17:11] Uh pulled out.

[2:17:12] Can you give us some.

[2:17:13] Information about this project?

[2:17:14] Sure.

[2:17:16] >> um, this is a great

[2:17:17] news story.

[2:17:17] It supports.

[2:17:18] Mobility.

[2:17:19] >> accessibility and vision.

[2:17:20] Zero goals.

[2:17:21] We're going to be.

[2:17:22] Constructing new sidewalk.

[2:17:24] >> we're going to be.

[2:17:24] Closing some.

[2:17:25] >> gaps in sidewalk.

[2:17:26] Uh, building.

[2:17:28] Curb ramps and pedestrian

[2:17:29] crossings.

[2:17:30] um, and this is a.

[2:17:31] Long including along.

[2:17:32] >> an.

[2:17:33] Intersection at one of the.

[2:17:33] City's high.

[2:17:35] >> injury networks

[2:17:35] intersections.

[2:17:37] This crosses between district

[2:17:37] four and.

[2:17:39] District five.

[2:17:39] And.

[2:17:41] Um you MAY have seen.

[2:17:42] >> this on the list that.

[2:17:43] Cdot provided in your.

[2:17:44] Packet last thursday.

[2:17:45] This is.

[2:17:46] >> one of those projects that

[2:17:47] has helped them.

[2:17:47] Meet their.

[2:17:48] >> performance metric.

[2:17:49] Okay I just.

[2:17:51] >> wanted to hear more about it

[2:17:51] okay.

[2:17:52] Okay okay go ahead.

[2:17:54] Council member suara harris.

[2:17:55] Yeah thank.

[2:17:55] >> you mayor.

[2:17:56] >> I just want to.

[2:17:57] Thank staff for their work.

[2:17:58] On this.

[2:17:59] Uh deeply appreciate it.

[2:18:00] As you know, uh.

[2:18:01] >> this council one.

[2:18:02] Of this.

[2:18:03] >> council's priorities is

[2:18:04] vision zero and.

[2:18:05] Reducing, uh.

[2:18:06] Traffic fatalities.

[2:18:08] Across the city of charlotte.

[2:18:08] Um.

[2:18:09] >> and particularly with

[2:18:10] district.

[2:18:12] Five which has seen an enormous

[2:18:12] amount.

[2:18:12] Of uh.

[2:18:14] Traffic fatalities.

[2:18:15] And just deeply appreciate that

[2:18:16] this being focused.

[2:18:17] >> and invest in our.

[2:18:18] Community particularly a high

[2:18:19] injury network.

[2:18:20] So thank you all for for the

[2:18:20] work.

[2:18:21] Appreciate it.

[2:18:22] >> thank you.

[2:18:22] Thank you.

[2:18:23] Council member any other

[2:18:24] questions or comments.

[2:18:26] On item 23?

[2:18:28] Okay.

[2:18:30] Is there a motion.

[2:18:31] To approve okay.

[2:18:32] .

[2:18:33] >> second any further

[2:18:33] discussion.

[2:18:35] All right the motion is to

[2:18:37] approve the contract in the

[2:18:43] amount of 661,000

[2:18:43] $661,661,706.65 to the lowest

[2:18:45] responsive bidder responsible

[2:18:47] bidder carolina cajun concrete

[2:18:49] inc. For the W.T. Harris

[2:18:51] boulevard and greer road

[2:18:51] intersection.

[2:18:52] And sidewalk project.

[2:18:53] >> we're ripe for a vote.

[2:18:54] All in favor raise your hand.

[2:18:55] Any opposed?

[2:18:57] Motion passes.

[2:19:01] Uh, council member uh, mayfield

[2:19:04] I believe you had items 36, 45

[2:19:05] ,47 and 48.

[2:19:06] Correct.

[2:19:07] >> and please proceed with 36.

[2:19:10] Thank you, mayor harrington.

[2:19:11] So for.

[2:19:13] Item 36 which.

[2:19:14] Is a.

[2:19:14] Request to.

[2:19:15] >> approve a.

[2:19:17] Contract in the in the amount

[2:19:22] of $1,203,308.75 to the lowest

[2:19:22] responsive bidder.

[2:19:24] What I wanted why.

[2:19:25] >> I reached.

[2:19:26] Out to staff because we all

[2:19:27] know received one be it.

[2:19:29] So that's not the.

[2:19:30] Lowest responsive bidder.

[2:19:31] That's the only bidder.

[2:19:32] so the.

[2:19:35] First question that I asked was

[2:19:38] one why did I go back out for

[2:19:39] an additional be it.

[2:19:40] What we.

[2:19:44] >> have in here in our language

[2:19:44] is that.

[2:19:49] Initially no it's well

[2:19:49] received.

[2:19:51] So the question that I asked is

[2:19:54] what was in our language and

[2:19:54] did we do.

[2:19:56] An inquiry.

[2:19:57] To try.

[2:19:57] >> to.

[2:19:58] Identify why.

[2:19:59] There was.

[2:20:01] No bid on initially and when.

[2:20:02] We sent it out.

[2:20:05] For a re-issue.

[2:20:08] >> on in JULY only one bid was

[2:20:08] received then.

[2:20:10] Yes ma'am.

[2:20:11] Um excuse.

[2:20:12] Me stormwater.

[2:20:13] Did reach out to some.

[2:20:14] Contractors that.

[2:20:15] Frequently bid on.

[2:20:16] Stormwater projects.

[2:20:17] Um, to ask those same kinds of

[2:20:19] questions that you just asked.

[2:20:20] .

[2:20:20] And this.

[2:20:21] Project um.

[2:20:23] ,requires the protection of.

[2:20:24] >> the fish habitat.

[2:20:25] Through construction.

[2:20:27] And so because of that it

[2:20:29] requires some specialized work.

[2:20:29] You have.

[2:20:29] To maintain.

[2:20:31] Water levels at um.

[2:20:32] A certain height.

[2:20:33] >> to.

[2:20:34] To keep oxygen for.

[2:20:34] >> the fish.

[2:20:36] And so because of that there

[2:20:36] are.

[2:20:37] Few contractors.

[2:20:39] That um.

[2:20:41] are interested in performing

[2:20:42] the working that can perform.

[2:20:42] The work.

[2:20:44] The the other reason.

[2:20:44] >> that.

[2:20:45] Staff that uh perhaps.

[2:20:46] >> it didn't receive.

[2:20:47] Any bids is.

[2:20:47] >> because.

[2:20:48] There's an abundance.

[2:20:48] Of work.

[2:20:49] >> available right now.

[2:20:49] >> and.

[2:20:50] So this specialized work.

[2:20:51] >> is a little bit.

[2:20:51] Less attractive.

[2:20:53] And that was just a

[2:20:55] clarification that I wanted

[2:20:57] whereas we're having to

[2:20:59] transition based off of federal

[2:21:01] and state language when we're

[2:21:03] putting out bids making sure.

[2:21:06] That we're creating as many

[2:21:07] opportunities as possible.

[2:21:10] But yet because this needing a

[2:21:13] specific skill set because of

[2:21:16] the fish aquariums safety.

[2:21:17] Measures that.

[2:21:19] >> needed to happen as one.

[2:21:19] >> did.

[2:21:20] For us to be able to identify

[2:21:23] that move to approve and be.

[2:21:24] Second any further.

[2:21:26] Discussion all in.

[2:21:29] Favor of approving a and b and

[2:21:30] item agenda item.

[2:21:31] 36 please.

[2:21:31] >> raise your hand.

[2:21:33] .

[2:21:33] >> any opposed?

[2:21:34] All right.

[2:21:35] Motion passes.

[2:21:39] Uh, council member we have 45.

[2:21:48] Actually my question is for 46.

[2:21:50] So for 45 moved to adopt a

[2:21:51] resolution authorizing.

[2:21:52] >> the refiner property.

[2:21:55] Tax assessor to declare or

[2:21:57] assessment errors in the amount

[2:21:59] of $8,030.50.

[2:22:02] so question about 40.

[2:22:03] That just.

[2:22:03] Moved to approve.

[2:22:04] >> it second.

[2:22:06] Second um any further questions

[2:22:06] ?

[2:22:06] All right.

[2:22:08] All in favor raise your hand.

[2:22:09] Any opposed?

[2:22:12] All right so 46 carries.

[2:22:14] Himself I'm sorry mayor, just.

[2:22:15] >> to clarify I believe.

[2:22:16] 46 was.

[2:22:19] Approved in room 267 okay.

[2:22:19] And it.

[2:22:20] >> was.

[2:22:21] 45 that was pulled.

[2:22:23] It's what.

[2:22:23] >> I thought.

[2:22:24] So I think.

[2:22:25] 45 is the.

[2:22:25] >> one we.

[2:22:25] Either need.

[2:22:27] Questions or a motion.

[2:22:29] >> and then 47 yes ma'am.

[2:22:31] So 45 are we.

[2:22:32] >> set.

[2:22:33] And then 47 was.

[2:22:34] >> what we so.

[2:22:35] >> we're good on 45.

[2:22:35] >> oh.

[2:22:36] Yes in.

[2:22:37] 47 I need.

[2:22:39] >> to vote on so 46 is not.

[2:22:40] We voted.

[2:22:41] >> on.

[2:22:44] 25 we voted on 4547.

[2:22:45] >> is the 47.

[2:22:45] Is missing.

[2:22:46] Right now.

[2:22:47] >> but okay 47.

[2:22:49] Yes thank.

[2:22:51] You ma'am it's at 47 is the one

[2:22:51] I.

[2:22:52] Ask for.

[2:22:54] Discussion so I.

[2:22:56] Wanted to clarify.

[2:22:58] This is a.

[2:23:01] Me request for.

[2:23:04] You know my.

[2:23:06] numbers are okay.

[2:23:09] My apologies mary ten.

[2:23:11] Uh right here.

[2:23:14] I've had is doing something a

[2:23:16] little interesting over here.

[2:23:19] So item 46 which we just

[2:23:22] approve it was asking staff to

[2:23:22] give give.

[2:23:24] Us another column because the

[2:23:26] columns that was initially

[2:23:28] presented just had the net levy

[2:23:29] levied uncollected amount.

[2:23:31] In 3% that was collected.

[2:23:33] I wanted us to have an

[2:23:34] additional column with.

[2:23:34] >> the.

[2:23:36] Total amount that's been

[2:23:37] collected up to date to just.

[2:23:39] Clarify those numbers.

[2:23:41] So for the minutes that's why I

[2:23:44] had pull item number 46 to make

[2:23:44] sure that we have.

[2:23:45] >> an.

[2:23:47] Opportunity to have the full

[2:23:47] clarification.

[2:23:49] But we did just pull that item.

[2:23:55] For item 47 which I asked to be

[2:23:55] pulled.

[2:23:57] Is that in the public hearing

[2:23:57] on.

[2:23:58] The jefferson.

[2:23:59] First union.

[2:24:02] Tower district landmark, the

[2:24:04] specific question that I asked

[2:24:09] for staff was what is the true.

[2:24:10] Impact of.

[2:24:12] Deferred taxes.

[2:24:15] If this is approved as well as

[2:24:15] when we.

[2:24:18] Take into consideration the

[2:24:21] state is having discussions on

[2:24:22] limiting access taxing.

[2:24:25] Authority in the future and

[2:24:26] staff was going to check into

[2:24:28] that because based on this

[2:24:28] language.

[2:24:30] If we were to move forward

[2:24:31] based on the current value, the

[2:24:31] .

[2:24:32] Potential amount.

[2:24:35] of deferred taxes would

[2:24:38] approximately be $124,525 for

[2:24:41] the city, $5,440.

[2:24:46] For the special district,

[2:24:46] $17,595.

[2:24:47] For special district.

[2:24:52] Three, 209,000 and $397.50.

[2:24:52] >> for.

[2:24:53] Mecklenburg county.

[2:24:54] .

[2:24:55] >> so that.

[2:24:56] Looking at the.

[2:24:57] Estimate is based on the.

[2:24:58] County's current.

[2:25:00] Appraised value.

[2:25:01] Uh.

[2:25:03] This property.

[2:25:05] However.

[2:25:07] >> given the APRIL 23rd.

[2:25:10] 2026 sale of the.

[2:25:14] Property which was worth

[2:25:16] 36,500,000 the upcoming 2027

[2:25:16] county.

[2:25:17] >> wide property.

[2:25:18] Reevaluation the potential

[2:25:19] amount of.

[2:25:21] >> the variable taxes is likely

[2:25:21] to.

[2:25:22] Decrease.

[2:25:24] >> but this is a collective.

[2:25:25] Conversation of how.

[2:25:26] >> many properties and when

[2:25:27] we're.

[2:25:27] Having challenges.

[2:25:30] Identify.

[2:25:35] Seeing the growth of our

[2:25:36] property tax.

[2:25:38] Base and that is our main.

[2:25:39] Source of income.

[2:25:40] >> I wanted to.

[2:25:44] Understand what potentially.

[2:25:45] >> is the impact.

[2:25:47] Yes ma'am.

[2:25:48] And so each.

[2:25:49] >> of these historic.

[2:25:50] Landmark designations.

[2:25:50] Is really.

[2:25:51] >> a case by.

[2:25:52] >> case basis.

[2:25:53] >> you know.

[2:25:54] the balance.

[2:25:56] >> of preservation.

[2:25:56] And revenue.

[2:25:58] Generation and in this.

[2:25:59] Instance at.

[2:25:59] >> the.

[2:26:01] Jefferson first union tower, um

[2:26:01] .

[2:26:03] It actually is going to.

[2:26:04] Be beneficial because the.

[2:26:06] Historic landmark designation.

[2:26:07] Is part of a.

[2:26:08] Redevelopment package.

[2:26:09] It's just one piece.

[2:26:10] Of the puzzle.

[2:26:11] This is a.

[2:26:12] >> tower that has been.

[2:26:13] Largely vacant.

[2:26:14] >> since.

[2:26:15] 2023 and up for sale.

[2:26:16] So there.

[2:26:16] Have not.

[2:26:17] >> been.

[2:26:18] Tenants in it.

[2:26:19] And so through this

[2:26:20] redevelopment.

[2:26:21] The office tower.

[2:26:21] Will be.

[2:26:23] >> converted into.

[2:26:24] Housing units.

[2:26:25] A hotel and.

[2:26:26] Office space.

[2:26:29] With retail across the street

[2:26:29] from it.

[2:26:31] And so the historic.

[2:26:33] Landmark designation.

[2:26:34] And the um.

[2:26:35] Property tax.

[2:26:36] Abatement is only for.

[2:26:37] One of.

[2:26:38] >> the.

[2:26:38] Five acres of.

[2:26:39] The redevelopment.

[2:26:41] So this redevelopment will

[2:26:42] generate additional property

[2:26:43] tax.

[2:26:43] >> revenue for us.

[2:26:44] Despite the designation.

[2:26:46] So the additional.

[2:26:48] Information will be helpful for

[2:26:49] me since what we.

[2:26:51] Are doing is setting the.

[2:26:52] Public hearing for SEPTEMBER

[2:26:55] 28th is between now and then.

[2:26:58] It will.

[2:27:01] >> be helpful to know what the

[2:27:03] language is in the contract of

[2:27:05] what is going to be preserved

[2:27:09] as historic because council has

[2:27:09] already.

[2:27:14] Been a part of media concerns

[2:27:15] and community.

[2:27:18] Concerns on a building that was

[2:27:18] designated as historic.

[2:27:22] The building was so the

[2:27:23] building was sold again

[2:27:24] somewhere.

[2:27:25] In those conversations.

[2:27:29] Made there was demolition.

[2:27:33] That challenge the history that

[2:27:33] .

[2:27:37] I believe council members

[2:27:38] thought they were preserving in

[2:27:42] their vote and we do not have

[2:27:45] language that protects us and

[2:27:45] say the.

[2:27:46] Moment you destroy.

[2:27:49] What was identified as historic

[2:27:49] .

[2:27:50] You're going.

[2:27:51] >> back on the.

[2:27:52] Tax rolls.

[2:27:52] I don't.

[2:27:53] >> think we've ever had a

[2:27:55] conversation where we ever go

[2:27:56] back and look and see if

[2:27:57] something was designated as

[2:27:58] historic.

[2:27:59] A district.

[2:28:01] Or an historic building where

[2:28:02] they had.

[2:28:03] Deferred taxes.

[2:28:05] And then if somebody came along

[2:28:08] and demolished what was

[2:28:08] historic.

[2:28:10] Will we go back and find out?

[2:28:11] Okay, now you're back on the

[2:28:12] tax roll and was that impact

[2:28:14] going to be so because we had

[2:28:16] an incident earlier.

[2:28:18] in the year where.

[2:28:18] >> a.

[2:28:20] Building that was thought to be

[2:28:22] a historic building had some

[2:28:25] major demolition happening to

[2:28:27] it, it would be helpful to know

[2:28:28] exactly what is the language

[2:28:30] that protects and what is the

[2:28:31] clawback if you.

[2:28:32] Destroy what.

[2:28:32] >> we are.

[2:28:33] >> trying to preserve?

[2:28:34] Yes ma'am.

[2:28:34] Thank you.

[2:28:37] >> any further discussion?

[2:28:38] Council member as mayor?

[2:28:39] Yeah.

[2:28:40] >> the council.

[2:28:40] >> member.

[2:28:41] Mayfield raises a good point of

[2:28:42] .

[2:28:42] Uh.

[2:28:43] >> following following through.

[2:28:46] So I do see we have um.

[2:28:48] Stuart here, MR. Gray here from

[2:28:49] the historic landmark

[2:28:50] commission department.

[2:28:51] Um.

[2:28:52] Could you.

[2:28:53] >> speak to is there any.

[2:28:54] >> sort.

[2:28:55] Of enforcement.

[2:28:55] Uh.

[2:28:57] >> once the property.

[2:28:58] Has been designated.

[2:28:59] As a.

[2:29:00] >> historic landmark and if it.

[2:29:04] Gets demolished, what are the

[2:29:05] implications?

[2:29:07] Uh, yes.

[2:29:07] Thank you.

[2:29:09] >> what happens to the property

[2:29:09] tax that.

[2:29:10] Was been deferred?

[2:29:12] My name is stuart gray.

[2:29:13] I'm the.

[2:29:14] >> director of the historic

[2:29:14] landmarks.

[2:29:15] Department with.

[2:29:16] >> mecklenburg county.

[2:29:16] and we.

[2:29:17] Served the city of.

[2:29:18] Charlotte for.

[2:29:18] Your.

[2:29:20] >> uh, preservation needs for

[2:29:21] historic individually.

[2:29:23] Designated historic properties

[2:29:23] .

[2:29:24] State law.

[2:29:26] Dictates everything we do.

[2:29:27] State law indicates.

[2:29:28] >> and thank you, uh.

[2:29:30] Council member.

[2:29:31] Mayfield for the questions.

[2:29:32] Uh, state.

[2:29:34] Law, uh, does anticipate what

[2:29:34] happens.

[2:29:35] >> if.

[2:29:36] Something is torn down.

[2:29:37] And.

[2:29:37] >> uh.

[2:29:38] >> there is a clawback.

[2:29:39] For three years.

[2:29:41] Of the.

[2:29:42] Deferred taxes.

[2:29:43] If a property.

[2:29:44] Is I'm.

[2:29:46] Sorry I said torn down,

[2:29:47] demolished.

[2:29:47] Um.

[2:29:50] >> that if we're talking about

[2:29:50] .

[2:29:51] >> the.

[2:29:52] Excelsior club.

[2:29:54] That's not the one I was

[2:29:54] thinking okay.

[2:29:55] Oh I'm sorry.

[2:29:56] Um.

[2:29:59] For example, that property was

[2:30:00] torn down.

[2:30:00] Um.

[2:30:02] >> um, and it's an exception.

[2:30:03] >> but if.

[2:30:04] >> you weren't talking about.

[2:30:04] >> that one.

[2:30:05] Um, whatever.

[2:30:05] Property that.

[2:30:06] >> was torn down.

[2:30:10] They are.

[2:30:12] The landmark designation

[2:30:12] removed.

[2:30:13] The tax.

[2:30:13] Office reaches.

[2:30:14] Back to them.

[2:30:15] And.

[2:30:16] >> um.

[2:30:16] >> sends them a.

[2:30:17] Bill for the.

[2:30:19] Tax deferral for the past three

[2:30:19] years.

[2:30:21] And again, that's not a.

[2:30:22] Program or.

[2:30:23] Not a um.

[2:30:24] Policy that we.

[2:30:25] Or charlotte.

[2:30:26] Have put.

[2:30:27] >> in that's just written.

[2:30:27] >> into.

[2:30:28] The state law.

[2:30:30] Thank thank you, MR..

[2:30:30] Great.

[2:30:33] Um, we appreciate the work that

[2:30:34] you do.

[2:30:34] Well well.

[2:30:35] Well thank you.

[2:30:36] That's all.

[2:30:37] >> I have.

[2:30:38] >> is any other questions

[2:30:39] councilmember mayfield.

[2:30:40] Thank you mayor.

[2:30:41] >> so just follow up.

[2:30:42] If it is.

[2:30:45] Not a demolition if.

[2:30:46] >> it.

[2:30:48] Is a partial removal.

[2:30:52] Um or if it is presented during

[2:30:54] the redevelopment as we

[2:30:57] reimagine space but this facade

[2:30:57] .

[2:31:01] Anything within I don't care if

[2:31:04] it's a flat if it's if that is

[2:31:04] what helped it.

[2:31:07] We see the historic designation

[2:31:08] and that is removed.

[2:31:11] Now that is a different

[2:31:12] conversation to me than a

[2:31:14] demolition because that is what

[2:31:15] we're trying.

[2:31:16] >> to preserve.

[2:31:18] So if that preservation doesn't

[2:31:21] happen I and if it is there

[2:31:23] please just send me what the

[2:31:25] statue is at some point from

[2:31:27] where that is protected I

[2:31:29] believe we as you mentioned we

[2:31:32] have language for a demolition

[2:31:35] yet I have not seen the

[2:31:35] language.

[2:31:38] That protects um something.

[2:31:39] Used to have.

[2:31:40] A name.

[2:31:43] That was identified if a piece

[2:31:44] of that that.

[2:31:45] If the main.

[2:31:46] Piece that helped to warrant

[2:31:48] the historic designation is the

[2:31:49] piece that is removed knowing.

[2:31:53] The reimagining or redesigning

[2:31:58] and that's identified what is

[2:31:59] the clawbacks that's the

[2:32:00] language that I want to.

[2:32:04] Clarify and the excelsior club

[2:32:06] is that the building that I

[2:32:08] have in my mind in my mind but

[2:32:11] we have received emails on a

[2:32:13] building near uptown where

[2:32:14] there was a lot of.

[2:32:17] Thought of what the designation

[2:32:19] was on it and.

[2:32:21] The will.

[2:32:22] The resale.

[2:32:24] From multiple.

[2:32:27] Entities somewhere along the

[2:32:27] line.

[2:32:29] What is being built is not

[2:32:32] under the understanding of what

[2:32:33] is designation was.

[2:32:35] So I just want.

[2:32:36] To make sure we have the

[2:32:37] language to protect the few

[2:32:38] resources that we have left in.

[2:32:40] Our city that.

[2:32:41] Help tell the.

[2:32:41] Story of charlotte.

[2:32:42] I'll be.

[2:32:43] Happy to get you.

[2:32:44] >> that information and have a.

[2:32:45] Discussion if issues.

[2:32:46] Thank you.

[2:32:47] >> any further discussion?

[2:32:50] there were a motion to uh uh

[2:32:51] approval.

[2:32:52] To adopt.

[2:32:52] >> the.

[2:32:53] Resolution setting the public

[2:32:53] hearing for.

[2:32:54] SEPTEMBER 28th.

[2:32:56] >> any further discussion?

[2:32:57] All in favor raise your hand.

[2:32:58] Any opposed?

[2:32:59] Motion carries.

[2:33:01] And finally.

[2:33:02] You're mayor.

[2:33:03] Yes 45.

[2:33:05] Before we proceed.

[2:33:07] Item 45.

[2:33:10] Um, I believe we read the

[2:33:11] language.

[2:33:12] 4646 and.

[2:33:13] >> so if we.

[2:33:13] >> could just.

[2:33:14] Have a.

[2:33:14] >> motion for.

[2:33:15] >> item 45.

[2:33:17] That encompasses.

[2:33:18] Or includes the language under.

[2:33:20] Section a and b okay.

[2:33:23] Is there a motion um to approve

[2:33:26] item 45 a and b as set forth in

[2:33:27] to.

[2:33:27] Approve a and b.

[2:33:31] Any further discussion on paper

[2:33:33] raise your hand any opposed

[2:33:34] okay.

[2:33:36] Are there any other items MADAM

[2:33:36] City attorney.

[2:33:37] That we're missing?

[2:33:39] >> MR. Mayor you can do so.

[2:33:40] >> we have now approved all of

[2:33:41] the items on the consent agenda

[2:33:42] including those that were

[2:33:43] pulled out.

[2:33:44] I'm sorry number 4848.

[2:33:45] Pulled out.

[2:33:47] There's 48 still out there.

[2:33:48] Um.

[2:33:48] All right.

[2:33:49] And that was me.

[2:33:51] Council member mayfield.

[2:33:55] Thank you mayor.

[2:33:58] same question as the last.

[2:33:59] This is to set a public

[2:33:59] hearing.

[2:34:00] >> on the.

[2:34:05] Excuse me, little mcnair chiles

[2:34:06] historic landmark.

[2:34:07] What we've.

[2:34:09] >> identified is based on the

[2:34:10] current value, the potential

[2:34:11] amount of deferral.

[2:34:13] The taxes will be approximately

[2:34:13] .

[2:34:18] $5,104 for the city, 9175 for.

[2:34:18] >> the.

[2:34:21] County plus an additional two

[2:34:22] 3837 for a.

[2:34:23] Special district.

[2:34:25] One taxes again.

[2:34:27] Bringing that information.

[2:34:30] Back as well as a snapshot of

[2:34:32] what is the totality of.

[2:34:35] Deferred taxes do we have in

[2:34:37] the city right now?

[2:34:38] Because I think it would be

[2:34:40] helpful for us to actually one.

[2:34:42] Stop running a tab to keep

[2:34:45] track, uh, where we're not

[2:34:45] receiving.

[2:34:48] Taxes and if that's creating a.

[2:34:49] Shortfall for us.

[2:34:52] Yet, I will move.

[2:34:54] To approve the to adopt the

[2:34:55] resolution setting the public

[2:34:57] hearing for SEPTEMBER 28th.

[2:34:58] Second.

[2:35:00] >> any further discussion?

[2:35:01] All in favor?

[2:35:01] Aye.

[2:35:03] Any opposed?

[2:35:04] Motion carries.

[2:35:05] I think we are.

[2:35:06] Now finished.

[2:35:07] >> with the items that were on

[2:35:07] the consent agenda.

[2:35:08] Correct.

[2:35:08] All right.

[2:35:09] >> okay.

[2:35:10] That takes us to.

[2:35:11] The.

[2:35:13] >> uh, city manager's.

[2:35:15] report and in the city

[2:35:16] manager's report in the policy

[2:35:19] section we had postponed

[2:35:20] earlier discussion of model

[2:35:21] cities and.

[2:35:22] MR. Mayor.

[2:35:23] If few would.

[2:35:25] Be uh.

[2:35:26] Thank you mayor members of

[2:35:28] council uh, as the mayor just.

[2:35:29] Mentioned.

[2:35:30] >> we postpone.

[2:35:32] This and uh, at this time I'd

[2:35:34] like to defer to.

[2:35:35] >> the.

[2:35:35] Chair of the.

[2:35:36] Public safety committee to

[2:35:37] introduce.

[2:35:37] The model cities grant.

[2:35:40] Thank you, city manager.

[2:35:41] Uh, this.

[2:35:43] Particular topic was referred

[2:35:43] to.

[2:35:43] Well.

[2:35:45] >> this this.

[2:35:46] Particular topic it was

[2:35:47] actually something that.

[2:35:50] That arose um, at the federal

[2:35:52] government level over the last

[2:35:53] couple of months.

[2:35:56] It's an opportunity for cities

[2:35:58] all throughout the country to

[2:36:01] potentially apply for a grant

[2:36:03] that is multifaceted.

[2:36:05] But um, the umbrella of the

[2:36:08] focus is on safety but it's

[2:36:10] through the the entire

[2:36:11] ecosystem of safety.

[2:36:13] So not only.

[2:36:15] Um you are thank you.

[2:36:19] For not only policing but also

[2:36:21] behavioral health and youth

[2:36:23] opportunities um, as well as as

[2:36:27] other opportunities around um

[2:36:28] reintroduction back into

[2:36:30] society after um being

[2:36:32] interface with the judicial

[2:36:33] system.

[2:36:35] And so the chief and her team

[2:36:38] have put together uh uh, myriad

[2:36:40] of subject matter experts to

[2:36:41] work on this effort.

[2:36:44] I was one that worked on this

[2:36:46] effort um, over the summer as

[2:36:50] well as um as a as well as

[2:36:53] assistant city manager or

[2:36:55] deputy city manager sean heath

[2:36:56] .

[2:36:58] And we provided an update in

[2:37:00] the public safety committee for

[2:37:01] full transparency around what

[2:37:02] is before us.

[2:37:04] I'm going to let the chief in

[2:37:07] and her excellent staff walk

[2:37:07] you through it.

[2:37:09] But I'll just preface the

[2:37:11] conversation by saying this is

[2:37:14] an opportunity to apply for a

[2:37:15] grant.

[2:37:17] Um we are.

[2:37:18] Nowhere near the finish line

[2:37:21] here where we're at step maybe

[2:37:24] 1.5 or 2 as it relates to a ten

[2:37:28] point uh, step process of even

[2:37:30] being chosen as one of the

[2:37:31] final cities and accepting a

[2:37:32] grant.

[2:37:34] So lots and lots of steps

[2:37:37] before we get to any decision

[2:37:39] criteria with that I'm going to

[2:37:39] hand it over to the chief.

[2:37:40] Thank you chief.

[2:37:42] Thank you council member

[2:37:43] anderson and.

[2:37:44] Hello again.

[2:37:45] To mayor and council.

[2:37:46] My name is estella patterson.

[2:37:47] Chief of.

[2:37:48] >> police for the charlotte

[2:37:48] police department.

[2:37:50] And with me today is my

[2:37:51] business services bureau.

[2:37:52] >> team lead.

[2:37:52] Kelly.

[2:37:53] >> hi foster.

[2:37:54] And both.

[2:37:55] >> of us are here today to seek

[2:37:57] your support to take the

[2:37:59] initial step for applying for a

[2:38:01] department of justice model.

[2:38:01] cities initiatives.

[2:38:03] Grant that we.

[2:38:04] >> believe will greatly.

[2:38:05] Support crime reduction.

[2:38:07] Victim recovery services, youth

[2:38:07] .

[2:38:08] Crime reduction.

[2:38:09] Services and.

[2:38:11] Behavioral health care in

[2:38:12] charlotte mecklenburg.

[2:38:14] As you are all aware.

[2:38:15] Reduce violent.

[2:38:16] Crime is one of my.

[2:38:17] Key priorities.

[2:38:17] >> and.

[2:38:17] Top priorities.

[2:38:19] But in order to do so and to

[2:38:21] sustain reductions we have to

[2:38:22] have a.

[2:38:22] Strategy of course that

[2:38:23] incorporates many.

[2:38:25] Pieces and many partners.

[2:38:25] So the.

[2:38:26] Model cities.

[2:38:27] Initiative grant.

[2:38:27] Dollars that.

[2:38:29] >> we are seeking emphasizes.

[2:38:30] A whole.

[2:38:30] >> of.

[2:38:32] City, whole of county or whole

[2:38:33] of system approach.

[2:38:33] It's not.

[2:38:35] >> just a crime fighting.

[2:38:36] Tool and.

[2:38:36] >> it is.

[2:38:36] Something that.

[2:38:38] I believe will make our city

[2:38:39] and our county safer.

[2:38:41] What we are proposing to do

[2:38:41] with these grant.

[2:38:43] Dollars if awarded and there's

[2:38:45] a big if there as council

[2:38:46] member anderson stated where.

[2:38:46] >> the.

[2:38:47] Very very beginning.

[2:38:47] Stages of.

[2:38:48] This but if.

[2:38:49] >> we are.

[2:38:50] Awarded these grant dollars.

[2:38:52] And services and agencies.

[2:38:52] together to.

[2:38:56] To create and sustain a

[2:38:56] charlotte-mecklenburg that.

[2:38:58] Thrives.

[2:38:58] >> the model cities.

[2:38:59] Initiative grant follows a

[2:39:01] framework that brings a lot of

[2:39:03] partners together from city to

[2:39:04] county, federal.

[2:39:05] And community.

[2:39:06] Partners partners such as

[2:39:08] atrium, charlotte-mecklenburg

[2:39:09] schools, the safe alliance, the

[2:39:10] umbrella center bring.

[2:39:11] Us all under.

[2:39:12] To work collaboratively.

[2:39:13] For what's best.

[2:39:13] For our.

[2:39:14] >> city and.

[2:39:15] >> county and for us this

[2:39:15] means.

[2:39:16] Fewer victims.

[2:39:17] >> of.

[2:39:18] Crime and if someone is a

[2:39:19] victim of crime they get

[2:39:21] adequate recovery services.

[2:39:22] Also to its.

[2:39:23] >> support for our district.

[2:39:24] Attorney's office.

[2:39:24] For more.

[2:39:25] >> judges, for more.

[2:39:27] Advocates and greater

[2:39:27] resources.

[2:39:28] >> for the.

[2:39:29] Sheriff's office and.

[2:39:30] Adult corrections.

[2:39:31] It's also.

[2:39:32] >> an opportunity to help.

[2:39:32] Come up.

[2:39:33] >> with something to.

[2:39:34] Reduce recidivism.

[2:39:36] Through more reentry programs

[2:39:37] and greater behavioral health.

[2:39:39] Resources for both.

[2:39:40] Youth and adults.

[2:39:41] So in.

[2:39:42] >> the end with this grant, if

[2:39:43] we are able to.

[2:39:43] >> get.

[2:39:43] Some dollars.

[2:39:44] it will.

[2:39:45] >>, we believe make.

[2:39:48] Our community stronger.

[2:39:48] We did.

[2:39:50] >> present this to the public

[2:39:50] safety committee last.

[2:39:52] Week and now.

[2:39:53] >> we are seeking your approval

[2:39:55] or your support to apply.

[2:39:56] >> for the grant.

[2:39:56] At this time.

[2:39:57] >> I'm going.

[2:39:57] To turn it.

[2:39:58] >> over to.

[2:39:58] >> MISS Kelly.

[2:39:59] Hi foster who's just gonna give

[2:40:00] you a little bit more

[2:40:01] information about the grant,

[2:40:03] our proposed strategy and then

[2:40:04] also to the next steps and then

[2:40:05] we'll be happy to answer any.

[2:40:06] Questions you.

[2:40:06] >> MAY have.

[2:40:14] Questions from council I know

[2:40:15] council member mayfield.

[2:40:16] Council member.

[2:40:18] I think she's getting ready to

[2:40:19] do an actual presentation.

[2:40:21] Yes just a few slides.

[2:40:22] Yeah we.

[2:40:23] >> haven't gotten to.

[2:40:23] The.

[2:40:23] Presentation yet.

[2:40:26] >> so good evening.

[2:40:27] My name is kelly.

[2:40:28] >> hi foster.

[2:40:29] And I'm going to.

[2:40:30] Take you.

[2:40:32] >> through the mci.

[2:40:34] Model cities initiative.

[2:40:35] Um we're.

[2:40:36] >> going to review the.

[2:40:38] Solicitation the proposal.

[2:40:40] Strategy and the.

[2:40:41] Framework by.

[2:40:42] >> which we will.

[2:40:42] Apply.

[2:40:44] >> so for.

[2:40:45] >> the model city initiative,

[2:40:46] the department.

[2:40:47] >> of justice, it has.

[2:40:49] Approximately 300 million.

[2:40:52] To be available nationwide, but

[2:40:53] we'll only choose 2.

[2:40:54] >> to 4.

[2:40:54] Cities.

[2:40:55] .

[2:40:55] Um.

[2:40:57] To give the funding to.

[2:40:58] This award.

[2:40:59] Will be.

[2:40:59] Structured as.

[2:41:00] >> a cooperative.

[2:41:01] Agreement rather.

[2:41:02] Than a.

[2:41:03] >> traditional grant.

[2:41:04] And that means the department.

[2:41:05] >> of justice through the cops.

[2:41:06] Office.

[2:41:07] >> the office of justice

[2:41:08] program and.

[2:41:09] >> the office of violence

[2:41:09] against women.

[2:41:11] Will be a.

[2:41:12] Part of the grant oversight.

[2:41:13] This is a three.

[2:41:14] Year grant.

[2:41:16] And we are in.

[2:41:17] Phase one.

[2:41:17] Of the.

[2:41:19] >> application which is due.

[2:41:20] SEPTEMBER 1st.

[2:41:23] >> um cities.

[2:41:23] >> are.

[2:41:24] Invited will.

[2:41:25] Be invited.

[2:41:25] >> to.

[2:41:26] Advance to phase two.

[2:41:27] Um and.

[2:41:28] >> that will.

[2:41:31] Be a presentation process and.

[2:41:32] We don't know at this.

[2:41:32] Time whether.

[2:41:33] That they.

[2:41:34] >> will.

[2:41:34] Come here or.

[2:41:36] >> the cities that are chosen.

[2:41:36] >> will.

[2:41:37] Have to go there.

[2:41:37] To do.

[2:41:38] >> their presentations.

[2:41:39] But we.

[2:41:40] >> should.

[2:41:40] Know whether.

[2:41:41] >> we.

[2:41:42] Would be in that.

[2:41:42] Group of.

[2:41:44] >> cities by the end of the

[2:41:44] calendar year.

[2:41:45] This year.

[2:41:51] To make a.

[2:41:53] Successful mci proposal.

[2:41:54] Um.

[2:41:55] >> we'll begin.

[2:41:55] With a.

[2:41:56] >> direct and.

[2:41:57] Credible connection.

[2:41:58] To crime reduction.

[2:41:59] That's the basis.

[2:42:00] Of the.

[2:42:01] Initiative itself.

[2:42:02] >> the department of justice.

[2:42:03] Like the chief said, is looking

[2:42:04] for a whole.

[2:42:05] >> of.

[2:42:05] The community approach.

[2:42:06] Um.

[2:42:08] >> public safety is a shared

[2:42:08] responsibility.

[2:42:09] Where we.

[2:42:11] Create one coordinated.

[2:42:12] Regional ecosystem.

[2:42:15] Technology modernization and

[2:42:15] data governance.

[2:42:16] Are also.

[2:42:18] Critical to this.

[2:42:20] Proposal.

[2:42:22] >> um, all projects.

[2:42:23] >> will.

[2:42:24] Reinforce one theory.

[2:42:25] Of change.

[2:42:26] Our theory of change.

[2:42:27] >> is that.

[2:42:27] Violent crime.

[2:42:29] Declines when the region.

[2:42:30] Rapidly identifies the.

[2:42:32] People, places, networks.

[2:42:32] >> and.

[2:42:34] Conditions driving violence.

[2:42:35] As we.

[2:42:36] >> build our.

[2:42:37] Proposal we are looking at

[2:42:38] sustainability.

[2:42:39] We're using.

[2:42:41] Model cities funding as an.

[2:42:42] Accelerator not as a.

[2:42:43] Permanent funding source.

[2:42:46] The goal of the goal is to

[2:42:46] build.

[2:42:47] Capabilities.

[2:42:49] >> partnerships, infrastructure

[2:42:51] and an operating model that

[2:42:52] charlotte-mecklenburg.

[2:42:53] Can sustain long.

[2:42:55] After the federal award wins.

[2:42:58] And lastly, there are seven.

[2:42:58] Goals that they.

[2:43:00] Require that we meet.

[2:43:03] Here.

[2:43:04] >> we've made.

[2:43:07] A presentation.

[2:43:10] That really shows a visit, a.

[2:43:11] Visual um.

[2:43:13] Connection between.

[2:43:14] With the public safety

[2:43:15] ecosystem.

[2:43:16] The framework.

[2:43:17] Starts with the.

[2:43:19] Understanding that we cannot do

[2:43:20] this alone.

[2:43:22] Safer communities require

[2:43:23] integrated action.

[2:43:23] Across law.

[2:43:25] Enforcement, behavioral health

[2:43:26] ,victim.

[2:43:27] Services.

[2:43:29] >> corrections, technology.

[2:43:30] Use services.

[2:43:31] Workforce development.

[2:43:32] And community partners.

[2:43:33] The model.

[2:43:35] Connects the work.

[2:43:35] Across the.

[2:43:37] >> continuum detecting.

[2:43:38] Threats, analyzing information

[2:43:38] .

[2:43:41] And intervening effectively and

[2:43:41] stabilizing.

[2:43:43] Individuals and families,

[2:43:45] supporting reintegration and.

[2:43:45] creating the.

[2:43:47] >> conditions for people.

[2:43:48] And the neighborhoods.

[2:43:49] To thrive.

[2:43:52] We will use technology as.

[2:43:54] >> a and data as a connective

[2:43:54] tissue.

[2:43:56] Regional data sharing, real

[2:43:56] time.

[2:43:58] Intelligence analytics and.

[2:43:59] Modernized public.

[2:44:01] Safety technology help.

[2:44:01] >> our.

[2:44:02] Partners develop.

[2:44:04] >> a more complete picture of

[2:44:04] threats.

[2:44:05] Needs, interventions.

[2:44:07] And outcomes.

[2:44:12] This is what makes charlotte.

[2:44:14] Mecklenburg competitive.

[2:44:15] The region already has.

[2:44:18] Many many of the necessary

[2:44:18] partners.

[2:44:20] Capabilities and initiatives.

[2:44:22] The missing opportunity will.

[2:44:23] Allow us to connect.

[2:44:25] Accelerate and scale them.

[2:44:32] While the whole of the city

[2:44:32] approach.

[2:44:33] Describes the.

[2:44:34] >> system how.

[2:44:34] >> the system.

[2:44:35] Works at.

[2:44:35] >> a.

[2:44:36] Macro level.

[2:44:37] The micro.

[2:44:37] Level view.

[2:44:39] It asks.

[2:44:40] What happens to an individual.

[2:44:42] Victim or.

[2:44:43] Alleged offender as they move

[2:44:43] through the.

[2:44:44] System.

[2:44:45] >> at the.

[2:44:46] Macro level, mci.

[2:44:47] Builds a.

[2:44:48] Coordinated public safety

[2:44:50] ecosystem at the micro.

[2:44:52] Level it ensures that that

[2:44:52] ecosystem works for the.

[2:44:54] individual protecting the

[2:44:56] victim holding.

[2:44:58] The offender appropriately

[2:45:00] accountable, addressing the.

[2:45:01] Conditions that contribute.

[2:45:02] To the.

[2:45:04] Future violence and creating a

[2:45:05] pathway towards recovery.

[2:45:06] >> and stability.

[2:45:09] Our goal is not simply to

[2:45:10] respond.

[2:45:10] >> to an incident.

[2:45:12] Prevention crisis.

[2:45:14] Stabilization investigation.

[2:45:16] Treatment, supervision.

[2:45:16] Housing.

[2:45:18] >> employment and other

[2:45:20] services create multiple.

[2:45:21] Opportunities to.

[2:45:22] Interrupt future.

[2:45:24] Violence.

[2:45:30] >> so as stated before.

[2:45:30] >> in order.

[2:45:31] To move forward to.

[2:45:32] Take these initial steps.

[2:45:33] >> we.

[2:45:33] Will need.

[2:45:34] Support from all the

[2:45:35] individuals.

[2:45:35] Listed on this.

[2:45:36] >> list here beginning with the

[2:45:39] mayor from the manager to our

[2:45:40] prosecutors, our U.S.

[2:45:40] Attorney's.

[2:45:41] Office.

[2:45:41] >> our district.

[2:45:43] Attorney, our U.S. Attorney I

[2:45:44] believe is in the audience with

[2:45:45] us today.

[2:45:47] Our sheriff, our city council.

[2:45:48] Director of.

[2:45:50] Health and human services and

[2:45:50] then also.

[2:45:51] Adult corrections.

[2:45:52] >> and community partners.

[2:45:55] So far we've been successful in

[2:45:56] getting in speaking and meeting

[2:45:56] with all.

[2:45:57] These entities.

[2:45:58] Um.

[2:45:59] >> and we feel.

[2:45:59] Comfortable that.

[2:45:59] We can.

[2:46:00] Move forward in.

[2:46:01] >> at least doing.

[2:46:02] >> the initial.

[2:46:02] Steps of.

[2:46:03] >> this grant.

[2:46:04] Right.

[2:46:05] >> and at this time.

[2:46:06] >> we.

[2:46:06] Will open up.

[2:46:07] To any questions you MAY have

[2:46:07] of us.

[2:46:08] Thank you, chief patterson.

[2:46:09] I've got.

[2:46:12] Three council members who have

[2:46:13] asked to uh to be.

[2:46:14] >> now.

[2:46:15] For starting with council

[2:46:16] member mayfield.

[2:46:17] Thank you mayor.

[2:46:17] Thank you.

[2:46:20] Excuse me, chief and team, a

[2:46:20] couple of.

[2:46:21] Questions.

[2:46:21] What's the.

[2:46:23] >> financial expectation.

[2:46:25] Of the city yet since this is

[2:46:26] only a three year grant.

[2:46:27] So after that what happens?

[2:46:28] Yes, sir.

[2:46:29] Yes, ma'am.

[2:46:30] So the city would have to

[2:46:32] assume any, uh, positions that

[2:46:34] we are asking for if we were

[2:46:35] able to award those.

[2:46:36] We are asking for a.

[2:46:37] >> few.

[2:46:37] Positions.

[2:46:38] >> uh, for.

[2:46:38] >> our.

[2:46:39] Crime gun unit and.

[2:46:39] >> also.

[2:46:41] For our jade in our, um, gang

[2:46:41] units.

[2:46:42] So the.

[2:46:43] >> city would be.

[2:46:44] Responsible for, um.

[2:46:45] Continuing those positions

[2:46:46] after the grant funding.

[2:46:47] Runs out.

[2:46:47] >> the ex.

[2:46:50] So it would be helpful to know

[2:46:50] exactly.

[2:46:51] >> what that.

[2:46:51] Cost is.

[2:46:53] >> we just passed our budget.

[2:46:53] So you're.

[2:46:55] Talking about us having to

[2:46:57] identify additional staff that

[2:46:58] will not be paid for.

[2:46:59] Through this grant?

[2:47:01] Uh, I also want to make sure

[2:47:02] that my colleagues.

[2:47:04] Understand.

[2:47:09] >> that a concern that I have

[2:47:13] is one that the details MAY

[2:47:14] determine.

[2:47:17] Whether this initiative

[2:47:18] functions primarily as a

[2:47:20] targeted crime reduction grant

[2:47:22] or honestly becomes.

[2:47:22] >> a major.

[2:47:24] Federal accelerator.

[2:47:26] For local surveillance

[2:47:27] infrastructure.

[2:47:28] So when we.

[2:47:31] Look, uh, what was just

[2:47:34] mentioned as far as the fact

[2:47:36] that the initiative supports a

[2:47:39] wide range of public safety

[2:47:39] activities.

[2:47:44] I want us to be very cognizant

[2:47:44] .

[2:47:48] That the city's selected for

[2:47:50] funding will be expected to

[2:47:50] demonstrate.

[2:47:53] Measurable reductions in crime

[2:47:53] .

[2:47:55] While serving as.

[2:47:56] So-called national models.

[2:47:58] How do we.

[2:48:02] Measure identify measurable

[2:48:02] reductions?

[2:48:04] So let's think about.

[2:48:05] >> for profit prisons.

[2:48:06] >> they're only as successful

[2:48:07] as the body system.

[2:48:10] So when we're talking about

[2:48:11] potentially accepting.

[2:48:12] >> a grant which.

[2:48:12] >> is.

[2:48:14] Interesting that 300 million is

[2:48:15] the new magic number.

[2:48:16] That keeps going around.

[2:48:17] But if.

[2:48:17] We're talking.

[2:48:19] About this 300 million.

[2:48:20] That MAY be available.

[2:48:24] In awards but that's only

[2:48:26] expected for 2 to.

[2:48:27] >> 4.

[2:48:29] Jurisdictions, I have.

[2:48:31] Some concerns as.

[2:48:32] Far as.

[2:48:33] The expectations.

[2:48:36] Of the fact that we.

[2:48:36] Will be.

[2:48:38] >> turning our local.

[2:48:40] Law enforcement over.

[2:48:44] To federal agencies because

[2:48:45] there will be a lot.

[2:48:46] More scrutiny.

[2:48:50] When we look at the cities that

[2:48:50] will be.

[2:48:54] Selected for this and that.

[2:48:55] Scrutiny will be under.

[2:48:58] Federal guidelines versus we

[2:48:59] have put a lot.

[2:48:59] Of energy.

[2:49:03] And I feel like we will be

[2:49:03] setting ourselves up will be a.

[2:49:06] Very contradictory to say that

[2:49:07] we care.

[2:49:09] About our local community and.

[2:49:09] We're trying to.

[2:49:11] Create a safe neighborhood.

[2:49:12] And then.

[2:49:12] >> we're bringing.

[2:49:14] In federal level.

[2:49:18] Engagement utilizing of which.

[2:49:22] The grant itself shows the

[2:49:23] opportunity of advance

[2:49:24] artificial intelligence.

[2:49:27] Access.

[2:49:30] >> how they.

[2:49:32] Plan to invest in technology,

[2:49:35] what they say is strengthening

[2:49:38] behavioral services for a three

[2:49:39] year period that we're looking

[2:49:41] at long term impact.

[2:49:44] On and I'm.

[2:49:47] Very concerned about what that

[2:49:49] could mean for our.

[2:49:51] Local community.

[2:49:54] As far as enforcement and

[2:49:55] militarizing our police.

[2:49:58] On a federal level and how that

[2:49:59] will be used to how that can be

[2:50:03] used against our residents and

[2:50:03] our citizens.

[2:50:05] So I did.

[2:50:06] Want to.

[2:50:07] Share the concerns that I have

[2:50:09] mayor for that I am not going.

[2:50:10] To support.

[2:50:11] Us moving.

[2:50:12] Forward with this, but I do.

[2:50:13] Want to make.

[2:50:15] >> sure that we have some very

[2:50:17] transparent conversations

[2:50:18] around what it potentially can

[2:50:21] be and what it actually looks

[2:50:22] like, especially when this is a

[2:50:24] part of the alleged big

[2:50:25] beautiful bill.

[2:50:27] I have a lot of concerns of how

[2:50:28] that impacts.

[2:50:29] Our majority minority.

[2:50:33] Community that we have worked

[2:50:34] hard to become.

[2:50:35] A city.

[2:50:36] For all.

[2:50:38] And how that could.

[2:50:41] Create an environment where we

[2:50:42] are not a city.

[2:50:43] >> for all.

[2:50:43] Thank you.

[2:50:44] >> thank you council member

[2:50:46] mayfield and again just for the

[2:50:48] for understanding this is a

[2:50:50] preview item um held over from

[2:50:52] our earlier session.

[2:50:53] This is the first time it's

[2:50:55] come before us anticipate that

[2:50:56] it will come back before.

[2:50:56] >> us.

[2:50:57] But this.

[2:50:57] Is a preview.

[2:51:00] um, I have a council member as

[2:51:00] mirror.

[2:51:01] Thank you.

[2:51:02] >> mayor harrington.

[2:51:06] So, chief, as you know, um, I

[2:51:07] supported this item at the

[2:51:08] committee level.

[2:51:11] Because we should always look

[2:51:11] for.

[2:51:13] Resources to keep our.

[2:51:13] Community safe.

[2:51:16] But since then I.

[2:51:18] Have received a number of calls

[2:51:20] from various community

[2:51:22] organizations, especially from

[2:51:24] immigrant and refugee community

[2:51:26] concerned about this as well

[2:51:26] as.

[2:51:27] I read about.

[2:51:28] Um.

[2:51:31] What are the implications of

[2:51:31] this.

[2:51:34] Dollars in knpr as well as

[2:51:36] guardian about how this

[2:51:36] dollars.

[2:51:36] >> are.

[2:51:38] Attached with the federal.

[2:51:39] Immigration enforcement?

[2:51:40] So if you could just.

[2:51:43] Help me understand so I have a

[2:51:46] number of questions, um, which

[2:51:48] I'm going to take my time

[2:51:49] asking because I do want the

[2:51:51] community to know that we are

[2:51:52] doing our due diligence.

[2:51:53] So first.

[2:51:54] Do we.

[2:51:57] Have to certify compliance with

[2:51:57] immigration.

[2:51:59] Enforcement?

[2:52:02] >> uh, if we were to be awarded

[2:52:04] this grant and precisely what.

[2:52:05] >> would.

[2:52:07] That require cmpd to do?

[2:52:08] Okay.

[2:52:08] >> yes ma'am.

[2:52:10] And I'm x MISS Battle to come

[2:52:11] down just to talk from the.

[2:52:12] Legal perspective but I will

[2:52:14] state um as the chief of this

[2:52:14] city that.

[2:52:16] Uh, we would not.

[2:52:17] Consent or we would.

[2:52:18] >> not.

[2:52:18] Accept award.

[2:52:20] Dollars that is inconsistent

[2:52:22] with our values of this city as

[2:52:23] a police department we don't

[2:52:24] enforce immigration laws.

[2:52:25] That would be our stance and

[2:52:26] that would be our.

[2:52:27] Position because that's what is

[2:52:28] currently is.

[2:52:28] Right now.

[2:52:29] But I'm being asked MISS Battle

[2:52:31] should come forth just to talk

[2:52:33] about our compliance or what

[2:52:34] this grant MAY require.

[2:52:35] >> as.

[2:52:35] It pertains.

[2:52:36] >> to ice.

[2:52:37] And immigration.

[2:52:40] Good evening.

[2:52:41] Again jessica battle with.

[2:52:43] The city attorney's office.

[2:52:45] The grant application.

[2:52:46] Process would require the.

[2:52:47] Mayor or a senior.

[2:52:48] Official from the city of

[2:52:51] charlotte to sign certain

[2:52:52] certifications as part of the.

[2:52:53] Grant process.

[2:52:55] That certification document

[2:52:56] does reference several.

[2:52:58] Federal statutes, um.

[2:52:59] That the city would.

[2:53:00] Have to.

[2:53:02] >> comply with those statutes

[2:53:03] on their face.

[2:53:04] Do not create.

[2:53:04] Any affirmative.

[2:53:06] Duty on.

[2:53:07] >> the law enforcement agency.

[2:53:07] Or the.

[2:53:08] City to.

[2:53:11] Communicate or share

[2:53:12] information with immigration.

[2:53:13] Um the.

[2:53:15] Certification document that

[2:53:15] would.

[2:53:16] need to be signed.

[2:53:17] Also does not.

[2:53:19] Create any affirmative duty.

[2:53:21] On the city of charlotte or the

[2:53:23] applying law enforcement

[2:53:23] agency.

[2:53:26] To have any affirmative duty to

[2:53:28] share information with ice or

[2:53:30] federal immigration entities.

[2:53:31] Um.

[2:53:32] If cmpd were.

[2:53:33] >> to be.

[2:53:34] Awarded the.

[2:53:35] Grant when those grant.

[2:53:35] Documents are.

[2:53:37] >> presented to cpd.

[2:53:37] >> they would.

[2:53:38] >> be thoroughly reviewed.

[2:53:40] By the city attorney's.

[2:53:41] Office and any other.

[2:53:42] Um affected.

[2:53:44] City departments to see.

[2:53:45] What if.

[2:53:48] Any clauses existed about.

[2:53:50] Cooperation with the federal.

[2:53:52] Government in cooperation with

[2:53:52] ice.

[2:53:55] Specifically and at that point

[2:53:56] between this council.

[2:53:56] >> and the chief of.

[2:53:57] Police in the.

[2:53:58] Collaborative discussions like

[2:53:58] .

[2:53:59] This it will.

[2:54:00] >> be.

[2:54:00] Determined whether or.

[2:54:01] Not cpd.

[2:54:02] And the city would actually.

[2:54:04] Accept the grant based.

[2:54:04] On any.

[2:54:05] >> clauses related to.

[2:54:07] Immigration and the city's

[2:54:07] overall.

[2:54:09] Goals and objectives.

[2:54:11] Uh thank you attorney battle

[2:54:12] for that clarification.

[2:54:14] Just wanted to follow up on

[2:54:14] that.

[2:54:17] So before any application

[2:54:19] proceeds will council receive

[2:54:21] the complete certification

[2:54:24] including conditions and

[2:54:24] criteria and.

[2:54:27] Proposed commitments in

[2:54:27] writing?

[2:54:29] Uh, before we.

[2:54:30] Publicly vote?

[2:54:33] Yes, the.

[2:54:34] >> certification document.

[2:54:35] Is a one.

[2:54:36] Page document.

[2:54:37] With several.

[2:54:37] Clauses on.

[2:54:38] It that.

[2:54:39] Would certainly.

[2:54:40] >> be shared.

[2:54:40] With this council.

[2:54:42] Before signing and again the.

[2:54:43] Signer being the.

[2:54:45] Mayor or another senior

[2:54:45] official.

[2:54:45] Um at.

[2:54:46] His designation.

[2:54:47] >> but there will be full

[2:54:48] disclosure and discussion of.

[2:54:49] >> each of.

[2:54:49] Those clauses.

[2:54:50] And we do.

[2:54:50] Have line.

[2:54:51] By line.

[2:54:52] Summaries of.

[2:54:53] Each and every federal.

[2:54:55] Statute referenced in that

[2:54:55] document.

[2:54:57] I appreciate that.

[2:54:58] Uh, to.

[2:54:59] >> um sorry.

[2:55:00] Um, COUNCILMAN.

[2:55:00] >> and.

[2:55:00] We would.

[2:55:01] >> add.

[2:55:01] To that.

[2:55:02] >> our partners as well because

[2:55:03] we wouldn't enter.

[2:55:03] And would.

[2:55:04] >> would not enter.

[2:55:04] >> in this.

[2:55:05] By ourselves.

[2:55:07] So we would have all our county

[2:55:08] partners, our community

[2:55:09] partners as well bringing them

[2:55:10] to the table.

[2:55:10] >> so.

[2:55:11] They.

[2:55:11] Know all.

[2:55:11] >> the.

[2:55:12] Provisions that are part of

[2:55:12] this.

[2:55:13] >> um grant.

[2:55:13] Thank you.

[2:55:15] >> I always appreciate your

[2:55:16] collaborative leadership.

[2:55:17] Uh, chief.

[2:55:18] Patterson so.

[2:55:22] One more so.

[2:55:29] I noticed in some of this, um,

[2:55:29] as I.

[2:55:30] >> was.

[2:55:30] Reading through and doing.

[2:55:31] Uh.

[2:55:33] >> some research on this, it

[2:55:35] talked about potential

[2:55:36] financial exposure.

[2:55:37] Uh, under the.

[2:55:39] Provision requiring

[2:55:39] reimbursement.

[2:55:41] For future federal law.

[2:55:42] Enforcement intervention.

[2:55:43] Could you speak to.

[2:55:44] That?

[2:55:44] >> and who.

[2:55:46] Decides when the obligations

[2:55:48] trigger trigger.

[2:55:50] Can to.

[2:55:55] So we won't know what the

[2:55:55] terms.

[2:55:56] And conditions are.

[2:55:58] Until we.

[2:55:59] Actually receive.

[2:55:59] >> an award.

[2:56:00] .

[2:56:00] >> and so.

[2:56:02] That would outline what.

[2:56:04] You know is expected.

[2:56:06] And right now.

[2:56:07] All we know.

[2:56:09] Is exactly what you're reading

[2:56:09] there and.

[2:56:10] >> there.

[2:56:11] Really is no more information

[2:56:12] at this.

[2:56:13] >> point in time.

[2:56:15] So we would have to wait until

[2:56:15] we received.

[2:56:16] >> an.

[2:56:16] Award and.

[2:56:17] Then it would outline.

[2:56:18] >> what.

[2:56:18] We were.

[2:56:19] Required to do.

[2:56:20] So so do.

[2:56:21] A follow.

[2:56:23] Up on that if we were.

[2:56:23] To be.

[2:56:24] One of the select.

[2:56:26] One of the or.

[2:56:27] One of the.

[2:56:30] Cities that receives the.

[2:56:31] Award would.

[2:56:33] Would that come back to.

[2:56:37] Council with all the criteria

[2:56:39] and terms and conditions before

[2:56:40] before we say yes.

[2:56:41] Yes we would.

[2:56:42] >> have.

[2:56:42] To come.

[2:56:43] Back to council.

[2:56:43] It would.

[2:56:45] >> go like um MISS Battle said.

[2:56:46] Through the city.

[2:56:47] Attorney's office.

[2:56:48] Because it is.

[2:56:50] >> a contract and then it

[2:56:50] would.

[2:56:50] >> go through.

[2:56:52] Council to.

[2:56:52] Accept the.

[2:56:54] >> award or not.

[2:56:56] Okay that's fair and our.

[2:56:56] Partners um.

[2:56:59] So uh while if.

[2:57:00] >> we.

[2:57:01] Can also look at.

[2:57:03] Uh in addition to financial.

[2:57:04] Exposure I would also like.

[2:57:05] Us to.

[2:57:08] Also look into uh funding

[2:57:10] concerning homelessness and

[2:57:11] mental health treatment.

[2:57:12] Um, our.

[2:57:14] public public.

[2:57:16] Space enforcement that we would

[2:57:18] be liable for in terms of

[2:57:21] enforcing uh, so as that could.

[2:57:22] >> be part.

[2:57:24] Of the due diligence if we were

[2:57:25] to be awarded this grant.

[2:57:27] Um.

[2:57:28] >> councilmember ajmera.

[2:57:29] Yes.

[2:57:30] >> if I MAY add.

[2:57:32] Another statement about the.

[2:57:33] Financial obligations.

[2:57:34] There is a clause.

[2:57:36] In the grant application.

[2:57:36] >> that.

[2:57:37] If there were to be a.

[2:57:38] Quote, surge in.

[2:57:40] Violence in the city of.

[2:57:41] Charlotte that required.

[2:57:44] Um deployment of federal

[2:57:44] resources.

[2:57:45] The city of charlotte.

[2:57:45] Would be.

[2:57:46] Respond or.

[2:57:47] >> excuse me the granting.

[2:57:48] And any.

[2:57:50] Associated sub grantees.

[2:57:52] >> would be responsible for

[2:57:54] reimbursement for the cost of

[2:57:54] that um.

[2:57:55] Federal deployment.

[2:57:56] >> in the city.

[2:57:58] So that's in the application

[2:57:59] right now?

[2:58:00] Yes.

[2:58:00] Okay.

[2:58:02] So there is something

[2:58:03] concerning to me here because

[2:58:04] we do not know.

[2:58:05] >> what their exposure.

[2:58:07] Is if we can put that exposure

[2:58:11] in numbers, if you're receiving

[2:58:12] $300 million but if our

[2:58:13] exposure.

[2:58:13] Is 700.

[2:58:17] 800 or $1 billion we need to be

[2:58:18] talking about that now.

[2:58:21] Um, if you have fallen.

[2:58:22] >> I'm sure.

[2:58:22] we would.

[2:58:24] >> not have a number.

[2:58:26] At this time if federal

[2:58:27] resources were to be deployed.

[2:58:28] >> to.

[2:58:28] This city.

[2:58:29] It will be.

[2:58:30] >> calculated based on whatever

[2:58:31] calculations.

[2:58:32] That the particular federal.

[2:58:33] Agency uses.

[2:58:35] Similar to if if the city of

[2:58:36] um.

[2:58:37] Excuse me if cmpd has.

[2:58:39] >> to use resources for certain

[2:58:41] events and where we charge for

[2:58:42] the resources of.

[2:58:43] Officers that need to be

[2:58:44] deployed in a sort of emergency

[2:58:45] .

[2:58:46] Situation, um, caused by.

[2:58:47] A private business.

[2:58:48] For example.

[2:58:50] The city has calculations for.

[2:58:51] The cost.

[2:58:52] Of that resource.

[2:58:52] Um.

[2:58:53] >> the federal government.

[2:58:54] Has the same.

[2:58:55] We would not know the.

[2:58:56] Exact cost.

[2:58:57] Unless and.

[2:58:59] >> until federal resources were

[2:59:00] actually.

[2:59:00] Deployed here.

[2:59:02] And then we sort of get an

[2:59:03] invoicing of.

[2:59:03] >> the.

[2:59:04] Costs of.

[2:59:04] That deployment.

[2:59:05] I get.

[2:59:07] That because.

[2:59:09] The it depends on number of

[2:59:11] days, number of troops that are

[2:59:11] involved.

[2:59:12] Right.

[2:59:12] All of that.

[2:59:13] But I think we should have.

[2:59:14] Some sort.

[2:59:14] >> of.

[2:59:17] understanding going into this

[2:59:20] before we even apply um what

[2:59:21] that looks like because some

[2:59:23] cities have gotten large

[2:59:24] invoices.

[2:59:26] So uh lastly.

[2:59:26] Just.

[2:59:30] >> has the city attorney.

[2:59:30] >> uh.

[2:59:33] Andrew, have you have

[2:59:34] independently reviewed some of

[2:59:36] these conditions and their

[2:59:37] compatibility with our existing

[2:59:38] city policies?

[2:59:41] I have review them.

[2:59:42] I've obviously had.

[2:59:43] Staff engaged.

[2:59:44] In the matter.

[2:59:45] And we will continue.

[2:59:46] To explore it based.

[2:59:47] >> upon the additional concerns

[2:59:49] that council is here tonight.

[2:59:49] Okay.

[2:59:50] >> I have a.

[2:59:51] >> couple of questions.

[2:59:52] Hold on.

[2:59:53] Um.

[2:59:55] So.

[3:00:04] Chief I appreciate.

[3:00:06] >> you saying that we will not

[3:00:08] compromise on our values and

[3:00:10] one of our values is that we.

[3:00:13] Value the trust in.

[3:00:14] Our communities.

[3:00:16] Regardless of where they come

[3:00:18] from and what their immigration

[3:00:18] status.

[3:00:18] Might be.

[3:00:22] Because if someone when victim

[3:00:25] is afraid to call 911 or a

[3:00:26] witness is not willing to

[3:00:28] testify because they are

[3:00:28] afraid.

[3:00:29] Of cmpd.

[3:00:32] Collaborating with federal law

[3:00:34] and federal immigration

[3:00:36] enforcement, then we are losing

[3:00:37] that.

[3:00:39] Trust and that makes all of us

[3:00:39] unsafe.

[3:00:44] so, uh, I appreciate you saying

[3:00:45] that we will not compromise on

[3:00:46] our values.

[3:00:47] So the.

[3:00:47] >> question remains.

[3:00:49] About our financial exposure

[3:00:49] and I think we.

[3:00:50] Need some more.

[3:00:52] Clarity on that.

[3:00:54] I certainly appreciate and

[3:00:55] support.

[3:00:56] All the grant that are.

[3:00:58] Available, uh, to keep our

[3:00:58] community safe.

[3:01:02] Um, but a line that I cannot

[3:01:05] cross is the any collaboration

[3:01:08] with federal immigration

[3:01:08] enforcement.

[3:01:09] Um.

[3:01:13] And that's all I have.

[3:01:15] Thank you.

[3:01:15] Council member edgemere.

[3:01:16] Um, I would.

[3:01:17] For the.

[3:01:18] Council I would say that we

[3:01:19] work with our federal.

[3:01:21] Partners right now each in our

[3:01:21] .

[3:01:22] Separate zones.

[3:01:24] So we as a police department we

[3:01:25] enforce the law.

[3:01:26] We don't enforce immigration.

[3:01:30] We don't enforce administrative

[3:01:31] warrants and those kinds of

[3:01:31] things.

[3:01:33] So we have no intentions of

[3:01:34] deviating from that.

[3:01:36] We will remain in our lane.

[3:01:38] Um where we enforce the law.

[3:01:39] >> and.

[3:01:40] Any criminal.

[3:01:40] Action that.

[3:01:41] >> occurs.

[3:01:41] I to remember.

[3:01:43] Watlington just one last

[3:01:45] comment if I MAY because I

[3:01:46] appreciate you saying.

[3:01:46] >> that.

[3:01:47] But today.

[3:01:49] This morning npr released an

[3:01:51] article that stated that this

[3:01:53] funding was specifically tied

[3:01:53] to.

[3:01:55] Federal enforcement.

[3:01:56] Federal immigration.

[3:01:59] Enforcement uh, guardian as

[3:02:00] well.

[3:02:01] So I think we just want to

[3:02:02] double check that's all I have.

[3:02:03] Thank you.

[3:02:03] Thank you, councilmember

[3:02:04] watlington.

[3:02:04] Thank you.

[3:02:05] >> MR. Mayor.

[3:02:06] Um, following up on that, I'm

[3:02:07] actually looking at the nlc,

[3:02:09] uh, website that's speaking to

[3:02:10] this particular.

[3:02:11] Um.

[3:02:13] >> initiative and there are a

[3:02:13] couple of things that jump out

[3:02:15] at me the first one being that

[3:02:16] .

[3:02:16] Um.

[3:02:17] >> exactly like.

[3:02:19] Was just mentioned.

[3:02:20] It says here.

[3:02:22] That finally local government

[3:02:24] should carefully review all

[3:02:25] eligibility requirements and

[3:02:26] certifications.

[3:02:27] The solicitation includes

[3:02:29] provisions related to federal

[3:02:31] immigration information sharing

[3:02:31] requirements and identifies

[3:02:32] certain activities that are not

[3:02:33] eligible for funding.

[3:02:36] Um so I would like to

[3:02:37] understand very very clearly

[3:02:39] what specifically that means

[3:02:41] because it does raise concern.

[3:02:42] Um and it's not something I

[3:02:44] will be prepared to uh, support

[3:02:45] at this time.

[3:02:47] Um, the other piece that stuck

[3:02:50] out to me, um, about this

[3:02:51] particular initiative is that

[3:02:54] it says dog or excuse me, doj

[3:02:55] will administer the initiative

[3:02:56] through cooperative agreements

[3:02:58] rather than traditional grants

[3:02:58] .

[3:03:00] This structure allows doj to

[3:03:02] maintain a more active role in

[3:03:03] project planning,

[3:03:04] implementation and oversight

[3:03:05] throughout the award period.

[3:03:06] Communities should be prepared

[3:03:08] for a higher level of federal

[3:03:09] engagement than they MAY

[3:03:11] experience under other grant

[3:03:11] programs.

[3:03:13] So both of those things for me

[3:03:16] are frankly red flags.

[3:03:17] Um.

[3:03:20] >> so I would really want to

[3:03:22] understand much more

[3:03:24] specifically what has been

[3:03:24] reviewed.

[3:03:27] I know uh both attorneys have

[3:03:28] mentioned that they reviewed it

[3:03:29] and that the on its face is in

[3:03:30] conflict.

[3:03:31] I'd like to see that line by

[3:03:32] line because what I'm reading

[3:03:35] here is is extremely concerning

[3:03:35] for me.

[3:03:37] Um, I'd also like to

[3:03:38] understand.

[3:03:39] Um.

[3:03:41] ,what specifically.

[3:03:43] We would be using this or

[3:03:43] hoping.

[3:03:44] >> to use.

[3:03:45] This funding for if we're

[3:03:47] looking at $300 million and 2

[3:03:49] to 4 million or 2 to 4 um

[3:03:51] cities being awarded

[3:03:54] essentially 75 to $150 million

[3:03:57] and if what we're able to um,

[3:03:59] purchase if you will or what's

[3:04:01] eligible for support is hiring

[3:04:03] and retention purchase or lease

[3:04:04] of equipment, tools or

[3:04:05] technology training and

[3:04:07] professional development

[3:04:08] facility costs, mental health

[3:04:10] and substance use services,

[3:04:11] reentry transitional support

[3:04:12] and recidivism reduction

[3:04:14] programs or services, victim

[3:04:15] services and youth crime

[3:04:16] prevention and intervention

[3:04:17] services.

[3:04:19] I'd be I'd like to see um.

[3:04:21] What it is specifically that we

[3:04:23] would be asking for to the tune

[3:04:26] of 75 to 150 million before I

[3:04:28] could be in position to uh to

[3:04:29] support anything.

[3:04:29] Uh.

[3:04:31] >> I'd like I would want to see

[3:04:32] what we have currently

[3:04:33] particularly.

[3:04:33] >> with.

[3:04:34] As it relates.

[3:04:34] >> to.

[3:04:35] Uh, technology.

[3:04:37] Is it doing the job and what

[3:04:38] additional investment would

[3:04:39] actually get us?

[3:04:41] Um, because I've got um

[3:04:42] tremendous concern in regards

[3:04:46] to how this enables um, uh, the

[3:04:47] acceleration of artificial

[3:04:48] intelligence systems etc. Etc.

[3:04:49] I would want to know

[3:04:51] specifically how it's used,

[3:04:52] especially given that the

[3:04:53] federal government would then

[3:04:55] be much more involved in the

[3:04:56] implementation and oversight.

[3:04:58] Where I sit right now I'm not

[3:05:00] interested in supporting this.

[3:05:03] Um, it feels far more risky

[3:05:06] than than what we know at this

[3:05:07] point just given the track

[3:05:08] record frankly of this

[3:05:10] administration respectfully it

[3:05:11] feels like we are.

[3:05:12] Opening pandora's box.

[3:05:13] But um.

[3:05:15] I know we're not voting today

[3:05:15] so.

[3:05:17] Certainly I remain open to

[3:05:18] additional information but

[3:05:19] there's there's a lot here that

[3:05:20] I would need to be a lot more.

[3:05:21] Comfortable with.

[3:05:22] Sure.

[3:05:23] >> and thank you for that

[3:05:24] doctor watlington and so we do

[3:05:25] have a listing of items that we

[3:05:26] are asking in meeting with all

[3:05:27] our.

[3:05:29] Partners um, to be able to put

[3:05:30] this whole system together.

[3:05:32] So we're happy to get a listing

[3:05:33] of that as we're still.

[3:05:34] Working through.

[3:05:35] Those final details.

[3:05:35] Um, we.

[3:05:36] Just have.

[3:05:37] >> a deadline of SEPTEMBER.

[3:05:38] >> 1st and so we wanted.

[3:05:38] >> to bring it.

[3:05:39] Before you.

[3:05:40] >> but we would certainly get

[3:05:40] that list to you.

[3:05:41] Thank you.

[3:05:42] >> thank you.

[3:05:42] >> doctor watlington.

[3:05:44] Um, now we have council member

[3:05:45] monsieur ortiz.

[3:05:47] Uh, thank you so much.

[3:05:48] Um.

[3:05:49] >> thank you, chief for.

[3:05:50] The presentation and thank you,

[3:05:51] council.

[3:05:52] Member anderson, for all your

[3:05:53] work to bring this work to

[3:05:54] council.

[3:05:55] Um.

[3:05:57] >> I want to.

[3:05:58] Uh, thank you.

[3:06:00] >> chief, for your, uh,

[3:06:01] unwavering commitment to.

[3:06:02] Reduce crime.

[3:06:02] >> in our city.

[3:06:03] >> I really.

[3:06:03] Appreciate it.

[3:06:04] And I, uh, I.

[3:06:06] Support pursuing resources.

[3:06:06] >> that generally make.

[3:06:07] Charlotte safe.

[3:06:08] Uh.

[3:06:09] >> but I do have some.

[3:06:11] Concerns and.

[3:06:12] Hesitation.

[3:06:13] >> uh.

[3:06:15] >> particularly when in the doj

[3:06:16] website under the.

[3:06:18] Office of public affairs and

[3:06:19] the press release, this grant

[3:06:20] is.

[3:06:21] Titled making america safe.

[3:06:23] Again and, um.

[3:06:24] I.

[3:06:25] >> I want.

[3:06:25] >> to talk.

[3:06:26] Briefly about.

[3:06:31] Just I have a question in the

[3:06:32] presentation and in the grant.

[3:06:35] Is our memphis.

[3:06:36] And washington dc.

[3:06:37] Stated as.

[3:06:39] Models for this initiative.

[3:06:42] They are they are however they

[3:06:44] are not receiving funding.

[3:06:45] Memphis is not receiving.

[3:06:46] Funding for this.

[3:06:47] >> they're not receiving

[3:06:47] funding.

[3:06:48] Thank you so much.

[3:06:49] I only.

[3:06:50] Bring this up to my colleagues

[3:06:52] because uh, the.

[3:06:52] Type of.

[3:06:53] >> federal local policing this

[3:06:54] .

[3:06:55] Program seeks to.

[3:06:55] Replicate.

[3:06:56] >> um, has.

[3:06:58] >> already produced serious

[3:06:59] consequences in memphis.

[3:07:00] Four people were killed an.

[3:07:01] Officer involved.

[3:07:02] Encounters connected.

[3:07:04] >> to the memphis safe.

[3:07:04] Task force within.

[3:07:06] Approximately two months.

[3:07:06] One was.

[3:07:08] >> tyron johnson, a 24.

[3:07:09] >> year old father who worked.

[3:07:10] >> in his family's construction

[3:07:12] business and another was jonah

[3:07:13] nell, uh.

[3:07:14] 25 year old reportedly.

[3:07:16] Experiencing a mental health.

[3:07:17] Crisis when he was killed

[3:07:18] during.

[3:07:18] >> an encounter.

[3:07:19] Involving a.

[3:07:20] >> homeland security agent.

[3:07:21] Uh.

[3:07:21] The individual.

[3:07:23] Circumstances remain subject to

[3:07:24] investigation for.

[3:07:25] >> four people losing their

[3:07:26] lives.

[3:07:27] I don't think can be.

[3:07:29] Treated as an administrative

[3:07:29] detail.

[3:07:31] Um, for a grant.

[3:07:33] And then national uh, in.

[3:07:35] Washington retired army

[3:07:35] captain.

[3:07:36] And a.

[3:07:38] >> king was detained by guard

[3:07:38] members.

[3:07:39] Outside her own home.

[3:07:40] Uh, her attorneys.

[3:07:42] Allege she was assaulted while

[3:07:43] exercising her.

[3:07:45] Uh, free speech rights and

[3:07:46] authorities have offered a

[3:07:47] different account.

[3:07:48] Reading an earlier encounter.

[3:07:50] I also want to.

[3:07:52] Talk about last year.

[3:07:54] Operation charlotte's web

[3:07:54] lasted.

[3:07:54] Only a.

[3:07:56] >> matter of days.

[3:07:57] Uh, but its effects were

[3:07:58] immediate.

[3:08:00] Approximately 370 people were

[3:08:02] arrested in the charlotte area

[3:08:03] over five days.

[3:08:05] Children MISS School because.

[3:08:06] Their parents.

[3:08:07] >> feared family separation.

[3:08:08] Work or stay home.

[3:08:09] Families avoiding grocery

[3:08:10] stores, medical.

[3:08:11] Appointments in.

[3:08:11] >> public spaces.

[3:08:13] Um and heavily armed.

[3:08:15] Federal agents operated.

[3:08:16] In our neighborhoods and.

[3:08:18] used unmarked vehicles.

[3:08:20] >> now I understand this is.

[3:08:20] >> a.

[3:08:21] Grant memphis.

[3:08:22] >> doesn't have the funding at

[3:08:25] um and it's but it's.

[3:08:26] A model.

[3:08:28] A pattern we're seeing.

[3:08:29] When federal.

[3:08:31] Law enforcement agents.

[3:08:31] Are in.

[3:08:34] Our cities east charlotte small

[3:08:35] businesses were also harmed.

[3:08:37] Businesses reported losing an.

[3:08:39] Average of approximately a 2500

[3:08:40] 2500 per day.

[3:08:42] Some reported.

[3:08:43] Losses as high as.

[3:08:44] $12,000.

[3:08:45] >> uh and nearly half of the.

[3:08:46] Surveyed businesses.

[3:08:47] >> closed.

[3:08:47] For at least three days.

[3:08:50] Um cmpd.

[3:08:51] Has reportedly.

[3:08:52] Assured residents that it.

[3:08:53] Does not participate in

[3:08:54] planning.

[3:08:55] >> or executing ice.

[3:08:56] >> or cbp operations.

[3:08:57] Thank you.

[3:08:57] >> actually.

[3:08:58] Patterson and.

[3:09:00] Um, the divisions.

[3:09:01] In east east where.

[3:09:02] Independent security grow for

[3:09:03] your.

[3:09:04] Commitment during.

[3:09:05] >> the operation to ensure our

[3:09:06] immigrant.

[3:09:07] Communities were safe.

[3:09:07] However.

[3:09:09] >> after doing some research

[3:09:09] the.

[3:09:11] Model cities.

[3:09:13] Solicitation prioritizes.

[3:09:14] Supporting law enforcement.

[3:09:16] Operations including.

[3:09:17] Immigration enforcement.

[3:09:19] Contains conditions involving.

[3:09:21] dhs access.

[3:09:24] Requires honoring certain dhs

[3:09:25] requests.

[3:09:26] >> and providing requested

[3:09:27] notice.

[3:09:29] So my questions in regards to.

[3:09:30] That can.

[3:09:31] You guarantee in.

[3:09:32] Writing that.

[3:09:33] >> cmpd personnel facilities.

[3:09:35] Databases.

[3:09:36] >> surveillance technology.

[3:09:38] Intelligence and other

[3:09:39] resources will.

[3:09:39] >> never be.

[3:09:40] >> used.

[3:09:41] To support immigration

[3:09:41] enforcement through.

[3:09:42] This agreement?

[3:09:44] I would tell you that under our

[3:09:45] current law where we are not

[3:09:46] compelled.

[3:09:47] To do.

[3:09:47] >> that.

[3:09:48] We are not doing it and.

[3:09:49] >> we.

[3:09:49] Won't do that.

[3:09:50] Uh.

[3:09:52] >> fda directs charlotte to

[3:09:52] provide.

[3:09:54] Assistance that conflicts with

[3:09:55] cmpd current policy can

[3:09:57] charlotte refuse without.

[3:09:58] Losing funding or being.

[3:09:59] Required to repay it?

[3:10:01] That is what we need

[3:10:02] clarification.

[3:10:02] >> and I don't.

[3:10:03] >> know that we have.

[3:10:03] >> the.

[3:10:04] Direct answer to that just yet

[3:10:04] .

[3:10:07] Um, we are asking those

[3:10:07] questions of the.

[3:10:08] Doj so that we can.

[3:10:10] Know better what that means.

[3:10:11] Thank you.

[3:10:13] >> um, and we just.

[3:10:14] Spoke about this.

[3:10:17] Briefly the solicitation um.

[3:10:19] says a participating city could

[3:10:21] be required to reimburse the

[3:10:22] federal government.

[3:10:23] We just spoke about this for.

[3:10:24] A future.

[3:10:25] Intervention following an

[3:10:26] increase in.

[3:10:27] Violent crime or.

[3:10:29] Quote unquote public disorder.

[3:10:30] >> that to.

[3:10:32] Me raises several unanswered

[3:10:33] questions particularly who

[3:10:34] defines quote.

[3:10:35] Unquote public.

[3:10:36] This order.

[3:10:37] Could include.

[3:10:38] Demonstrations.

[3:10:39] >> civil rights.

[3:10:40] Protests or.

[3:10:41] Opposition to.

[3:10:42] >> federal activity.

[3:10:42] Uh who.

[3:10:43] >> decides when.

[3:10:44] Federal intervention.

[3:10:45] Is necessary?

[3:10:47] Who determines what personnel

[3:10:48] resources are deployed?

[3:10:49] Is there.

[3:10:50] >> a maximum amount.

[3:10:52] Can be required to repay.

[3:10:55] And can charlotte taxpayers who

[3:10:56] just.

[3:10:57] Recently saw an increase in.

[3:11:00] Their property taxes be charged

[3:11:00] for an.

[3:11:00] Intervention the.

[3:11:02] >> city did not request and

[3:11:04] does not support and so.

[3:11:07] I and then we you.

[3:11:08] >> all just mentioned.

[3:11:10] We still have.

[3:11:10] >> no.

[3:11:11] Knowledge of terms and.

[3:11:12] Conditions until a warning.

[3:11:15] Which seems like um and I'm now

[3:11:15] I'm talking to my.

[3:11:16] Colleagues.

[3:11:17] That we're.

[3:11:18] Running into.

[3:11:19] With signing agreements.

[3:11:20] that we.

[3:11:21] >> don't know what.

[3:11:21] >> we're.

[3:11:22] Walking into.

[3:11:23] Uh re.

[3:11:25] I-77 that was and.

[3:11:26] So I just don't think.

[3:11:27] We as a city.

[3:11:28] Who is.

[3:11:30] >> welcoming to immigrants and.

[3:11:31] People from.

[3:11:32] >> different backgrounds.

[3:11:34] Should sign a blank check for a

[3:11:34] .

[3:11:35] Future federal.

[3:11:36] >> operation whose.

[3:11:37] Trigger scope.

[3:11:39] And cost have not been defined.

[3:11:40] Um.

[3:11:42] >> this is.

[3:11:43] >> not a.

[3:11:44] >> traditional federal grant as

[3:11:44] .

[3:11:46] The press release has.

[3:11:46] Mentions as.

[3:11:48] Npr, the guardian and other

[3:11:48] news.

[3:11:51] Agencies have reported on.

[3:11:52] It is a cooperative agreement

[3:11:55] that gives doj substantial

[3:11:55] involvement in.

[3:11:57] Charlotte's implementation plan

[3:11:58] the.

[3:11:58] Budget.

[3:12:01] >> the selection of partners,

[3:12:01] program.

[3:12:03] Milestones, potential direction

[3:12:04] over implementation.

[3:12:05] And before any.

[3:12:07] Application submitted.

[3:12:07] And chief.

[3:12:08] Um please.

[3:12:09] Correct me if.

[3:12:10] >> I'm wrong.

[3:12:10] Um.

[3:12:13] >> we we.

[3:12:14] Council would.

[3:12:15] Receive a complete proposed

[3:12:17] application every.

[3:12:18] Letter of support or.

[3:12:21] proposed commitment and a

[3:12:21] written legal analysis

[3:12:22] explaining every obligation

[3:12:23] charlotte would accept.

[3:12:26] We would prepare um information

[3:12:28] to give to you related to the

[3:12:30] grant itself what information

[3:12:30] we.

[3:12:31] Have about some.

[3:12:31] >> of.

[3:12:32] The questions you posed.

[3:12:35] And what we will or not accept

[3:12:36] because at the end of the day

[3:12:36] if charlotte.

[3:12:38] Were to be awarded.

[3:12:40] This grant and it laid out all

[3:12:41] these stipulations like you've.

[3:12:42] Stated like.

[3:12:43] Doctor walton.

[3:12:45] Stated the council member MAY

[3:12:46] feel stated and we were not.

[3:12:46] In agreement.

[3:12:47] >> with.

[3:12:47] That we would.

[3:12:47] >> not.

[3:12:48] Accept these.

[3:12:50] >> funds and I have said that

[3:12:51] repeatedly to our partners and

[3:12:52] everyone else.

[3:12:54] We don't have all those answers

[3:12:54] .

[3:12:55] Unfortunately we won't.

[3:12:57] We're seeking those answers but

[3:12:58] I am clear.

[3:12:58] That we.

[3:12:59] >> would not.

[3:13:01] Accept a grant that goes

[3:13:02] against what we as a.

[3:13:02] City and.

[3:13:02] >> a.

[3:13:03] County feel.

[3:13:04] >> are our values.

[3:13:05] I appreciate that thank you.

[3:13:08] Um, so to my colleagues I want

[3:13:10] us the queen city to.

[3:13:10] >> have.

[3:13:11] The resources.

[3:13:12] Needed to prevent violence.

[3:13:14] And protect our residents.

[3:13:15] Um, we can.

[3:13:16] invest in.

[3:13:17] Youth intervention.

[3:13:19] Uh, victim.

[3:13:20] Services housing.

[3:13:21] Which we will be.

[3:13:22] Meeting tomorrow.

[3:13:23] >> to talk about our housing

[3:13:23] trust.

[3:13:24] >> fund policy.

[3:13:25] And accountable.

[3:13:26] Community policing.

[3:13:27] We can.

[3:13:28] Make those investments.

[3:13:29] But I.

[3:13:30] Believe we can make them

[3:13:31] without giving the.

[3:13:32] Federal government undefined.

[3:13:33] Authority over.

[3:13:34] >> our residents.

[3:13:37] And charlotte has already

[3:13:37] experienced.

[3:13:38] >> what happens when a.

[3:13:39] Federal surge enters.

[3:13:40] Our community.

[3:13:41] Memphis and.

[3:13:44] Washington provide those.

[3:13:44] Additional warnings.

[3:13:45] About how.

[3:13:47] >> federalized and militarized

[3:13:47] operations.

[3:13:48] >> can.

[3:13:48] Escalate.

[3:13:50] >> and charlotte should not

[3:13:50] have to.

[3:13:50] Choose between.

[3:13:52] Federal dollars and the rights

[3:13:52] .

[3:13:54] Safety, dignity and trust of.

[3:13:54] Our residents.

[3:13:56] And so unless.

[3:13:57] >> we get.

[3:13:59] Clear written and legal

[3:13:59] binding.

[3:14:01] Answers regarding immigration,

[3:14:01] um enforcement.

[3:14:03] Federal control, national.

[3:14:04] Guard deployment.

[3:14:07] Information sharing, civil

[3:14:07] rights.

[3:14:08] Protections, financial

[3:14:08] liability.

[3:14:10] And charlotte's ability to

[3:14:11] withdraw without penalty.

[3:14:11] I cannot.

[3:14:13] Support moving forward with

[3:14:14] this application.

[3:14:14] Thank you.

[3:14:15] Thank you.

[3:14:16] >> council member MR. Arias.

[3:14:20] Um again this is a first read

[3:14:21] of this or first.

[3:14:24] A preview of this uh, council

[3:14:25] member owens next.

[3:14:26] Thank you.

[3:14:27] >> mayor, I appreciate you.

[3:14:28] I.

[3:14:29] >> um I.

[3:14:29] >> just want.

[3:14:29] To.

[3:14:30] Speak for my.

[3:14:30] Colleagues who were.

[3:14:31] >> not at.

[3:14:33] >> the safety committee meeting

[3:14:33] .

[3:14:33] I did.

[3:14:34] Elevate some.

[3:14:35] >> concerns that I had.

[3:14:36] That I.

[3:14:36] >> was I.

[3:14:37] Was graced.

[3:14:38] With.

[3:14:38] .

[3:14:39] Um with.

[3:14:42] Chair anderson's, um, good

[3:14:42] discretion in.

[3:14:43] >> letting.

[3:14:43] Me ask a couple.

[3:14:44] >> of.

[3:14:44] Questions even.

[3:14:45] >> though I'm not on.

[3:14:45] >> that.

[3:14:45] Committee and.

[3:14:46] >> the.

[3:14:47] Response of, um.

[3:14:48] My residents.

[3:14:50] With respect to the questions.

[3:14:51] >> that I put into the room.

[3:14:52] >> is why.

[3:14:52] >> I have.

[3:14:53] >> some.

[3:14:53] confidence bringing these here.

[3:14:54] Before you.

[3:14:55] Um.

[3:14:56] >> one of the comments that I

[3:14:56] made.

[3:14:58] During the initial presentation

[3:14:58] to.

[3:14:58] >> the.

[3:14:59] Safety committee.

[3:15:00] Was around.

[3:15:01] Um.

[3:15:02] >> my concern.

[3:15:03] That um.

[3:15:04] There seems to be.

[3:15:05] A lot.

[3:15:06] >> of.

[3:15:07] Energy around.

[3:15:09] Data collection.

[3:15:10] And the use of data.

[3:15:11] And we've already seen.

[3:15:12] Through a.

[3:15:13] >> number.

[3:15:13] Of of.

[3:15:13] Um.

[3:15:14] >> really unfortunate.

[3:15:16] Misuses of.

[3:15:17] >> flock data.

[3:15:20] Misuses of systems that exist

[3:15:21] that store.

[3:15:22] Um our.

[3:15:25] Comings and goings around our

[3:15:25] cities.

[3:15:25] Um.

[3:15:26] >> you know.

[3:15:27] >> I, I.

[3:15:28] >> wanted to raise.

[3:15:28] >> that.

[3:15:29] Into the room because while I

[3:15:31] am very supportive of a number

[3:15:33] of the elements of.

[3:15:33] >> these.

[3:15:34] Seven items that have been.

[3:15:35] Listed for.

[3:15:36] Us that are.

[3:15:36] Supposed to.

[3:15:37] >> be.

[3:15:37] The.

[3:15:37] Hallmarks of.

[3:15:38] >> what would be part of.

[3:15:39] Your plan.

[3:15:40] .

[3:15:41] >> I am unsupportive.

[3:15:42] Of a.

[3:15:44] Continued um.

[3:15:46] Collection of data uh.

[3:15:47] Just fairly.

[3:15:50] Blindly uh, against all of our

[3:15:51] citizens and the access.

[3:15:52] That that data.

[3:15:52] Um.

[3:15:54] >> provides to either.

[3:15:55] Federal law.

[3:15:56] Enforcement or.

[3:15:56] As has.

[3:15:58] Been shown with cmpd.

[3:15:58] >> and.

[3:15:59] Other officers, misuse.

[3:16:01] Of that data.

[3:16:01] >> that gives me.

[3:16:02] Great pause.

[3:16:03] And so I did.

[3:16:04] Elevate that into the room.

[3:16:07] In addition to the ice concerns

[3:16:07] that have already.

[3:16:08] >> been.

[3:16:09] Raised by my colleagues, I

[3:16:10] would simply.

[3:16:11] Say on this.

[3:16:13] Point that um.

[3:16:13] One of the.

[3:16:14] >> things that gave me.

[3:16:16] The most pause from the

[3:16:18] presentation was any

[3:16:19] descriptions of the ability I

[3:16:21] believe it's this is a very.

[3:16:22] Tiny slide but I believe.

[3:16:23] >> it says in here.

[3:16:25] To predict.

[3:16:27] Crime and I.

[3:16:28] Just want to.

[3:16:28] >> be very.

[3:16:31] Clear that I understand um.

[3:16:31] Uh.

[3:16:33] >> what we mean.

[3:16:34] By that and what.

[3:16:35] We are doing with.

[3:16:36] The data.

[3:16:37] That we.

[3:16:38] Would be.

[3:16:39] >> getting in.

[3:16:40] >> addition to what we.

[3:16:40] Already have.

[3:16:43] That would be in furtherance of

[3:16:44] predicting crime.

[3:16:45] Can you can you speak to that

[3:16:45] element.

[3:16:48] And how much of your grant

[3:16:50] application would involve

[3:16:50] predicting.

[3:16:50] Crime as.

[3:16:51] Opposed to.

[3:16:52] Some of.

[3:16:52] >> the.

[3:16:53] Things like I've been.

[3:16:54] Told the katy blessing center

[3:16:54] might.

[3:16:55] >> get more.

[3:16:56] Money for mental health.

[3:16:57] That obviously.

[3:16:57] >> is.

[3:16:58] A net good.

[3:16:59] >> but.

[3:16:59] Help me.

[3:17:00] >> understand your percentages

[3:17:00] .

[3:17:02] Sure and.

[3:17:03] We would ask for probably a

[3:17:05] minimal amount for predictive

[3:17:07] analysis kinds of things.

[3:17:09] What we do is with crime is we

[3:17:10] gather data about where it's

[3:17:11] occurring, where the.

[3:17:12] Hotspots are located and then.

[3:17:13] We know.

[3:17:13] Where to.

[3:17:14] >> effectively deploy.

[3:17:15] Our resources.

[3:17:17] >> um, similar like to the.

[3:17:18] Corridors of opportunity.

[3:17:20] So that is what we do primarily

[3:17:22] is is data collection and we're

[3:17:23] asking to be able to expand

[3:17:25] that so that we can have more

[3:17:26] analysts who are looking at

[3:17:28] that data and being able to

[3:17:29] determine where the crime is

[3:17:30] occurring and where we should.

[3:17:31] Have our resources.

[3:17:33] For instance, we're asking for

[3:17:35] a more analyst for our crime

[3:17:35] gun.

[3:17:37] Unit also for our.

[3:17:38] Rapid dna unit.

[3:17:39] Again, these are just.

[3:17:39] >> people.

[3:17:40] Who are going to process.

[3:17:43] Information and help us to

[3:17:44] understand where crime is.

[3:17:46] We are not we have not had any

[3:17:47] discussions I don't believe in

[3:17:49] kelly can help me out of.

[3:17:50] Any devices.

[3:17:51] >> that are.

[3:17:51] Just like a.

[3:17:54] Predictive analysis, um kind of

[3:17:54] thing.

[3:17:57] I remember very clearly having

[3:17:59] something like that um, in 2010

[3:18:00] ,uh, under.

[3:18:00] >> chief.

[3:18:02] Monroe and we have kind of

[3:18:03] moved away from that now it's

[3:18:05] more just about data collection

[3:18:06] and knowing where to put our.

[3:18:07] Resources effectively.

[3:18:08] Thank you.

[3:18:09] >> chief, if I.

[3:18:09] >> can.

[3:18:10] Continue I just.

[3:18:10] Um I've.

[3:18:12] Received some information.

[3:18:13] Some from again some of my

[3:18:15] constituents who have been very

[3:18:15] concerned.

[3:18:16] >> about the use of block.

[3:18:18] Cameras particularly.

[3:18:18] Um.

[3:18:19] >> an.

[3:18:20] Expansion of.

[3:18:22] The network.

[3:18:23] Of cameras.

[3:18:24] >> that would exist in

[3:18:24] charlotte.

[3:18:25] And they've.

[3:18:26] Cited for.

[3:18:27] >> me and I have not done.

[3:18:27] >> my.

[3:18:28] Own research.

[3:18:28] On this.

[3:18:29] >> so my apologies if this

[3:18:30] seems off.

[3:18:31] >> it seems to be well

[3:18:31] supported in.

[3:18:32] Some of the journalism that.

[3:18:33] I've been handed.

[3:18:34] But the.

[3:18:35] Experience in.

[3:18:36] >> atlanta where.

[3:18:37] They've got.

[3:18:39] 28,000 integrated cameras.

[3:18:40] A number.

[3:18:40] >> of.

[3:18:41] The headlines that.

[3:18:42] I've been provided.

[3:18:42] Suggest that.

[3:18:43] That has.

[3:18:44] >> not improved the city's.

[3:18:46] Crime clearance rates.

[3:18:47] Could you speak to your

[3:18:48] thoughts on that if you have.

[3:18:48] Any or.

[3:18:49] >> if not we can.

[3:18:50] Comment later.

[3:18:51] But as.

[3:18:53] It pertains to flat cameras so

[3:18:54] we don't own any flock cameras

[3:18:56] at cmpd we have access to the

[3:18:56] data.

[3:18:57] But we do not own any flock

[3:18:58] cameras.

[3:18:59] My experience have been with

[3:18:59] cameras.

[3:19:01] They um do well for a city.

[3:19:02] They do well for.

[3:19:03] Crime reduction because that's

[3:19:06] more eyes and ears um in

[3:19:07] various places and that's why

[3:19:09] we have been asking with our

[3:19:10] fuzes or our connect charlotte

[3:19:12] to have more cameras connected.

[3:19:12] >> I think.

[3:19:13] We've been able we have

[3:19:14] examples where we have solved

[3:19:16] crime as a result of having

[3:19:17] those cameras in place.

[3:19:19] Um we do not have flock cameras

[3:19:21] for a reason, but having access

[3:19:23] to that data does help us to

[3:19:24] determine where crime is

[3:19:25] occurring and who's responsible

[3:19:26] for that crime.

[3:19:26] >> when.

[3:19:27] We can.

[3:19:27] >> put.

[3:19:27] The pieces together.

[3:19:28] So if this grant.

[3:19:29] >> were awarded.

[3:19:30] >> would.

[3:19:30] There be.

[3:19:31] >> an expansion.

[3:19:31] >> in.

[3:19:31] Your mind.

[3:19:32] Of our.

[3:19:34] Alpr technology?

[3:19:35] We would probably use some.

[3:19:37] For it because there is value

[3:19:40] in our um lpr but we are

[3:19:41] wanting to use.

[3:19:42] Um specifically.

[3:19:44] To for our evidence management

[3:19:44] system.

[3:19:45] >> to expand.

[3:19:47] It for our camera camera

[3:19:48] trailers so that we can do

[3:19:49] speed enforcement.

[3:19:51] Our consolidated cad which is

[3:19:52] with our fire department that

[3:19:53] is something they have asked

[3:19:53] for.

[3:19:55] That's the technology that.

[3:19:55] >> we're.

[3:19:56] Seeking with these.

[3:19:58] Dollars also to evidence

[3:19:59] sharing platforms so that we

[3:19:59] can.

[3:20:00] Move cases along.

[3:20:00] With the.

[3:20:01] District attorney's.

[3:20:03] Office and with our other law

[3:20:03] enforcement partners.

[3:20:05] These are some of the areas we

[3:20:07] want to make the investments in

[3:20:07] the.

[3:20:09] Technology also to our cyber

[3:20:11] crime unit, our internet

[3:20:12] platform because we have so

[3:20:13] much data that's always coming

[3:20:15] in from phones as they store

[3:20:16] more information we.

[3:20:16] >> need.

[3:20:17] to.

[3:20:17] Be able.

[3:20:18] >> when we see that as evidence

[3:20:19] to be able to get that

[3:20:20] information.

[3:20:21] So these are the these are

[3:20:22] things that we have in place.

[3:20:24] We want to expand them as our

[3:20:25] city is.

[3:20:27] Growing resources are moving

[3:20:28] faster and the fact.

[3:20:30] That we can't keep.

[3:20:30] >> up.

[3:20:31] With it as it is.

[3:20:32] So in.

[3:20:33] This grant we.

[3:20:33] >> were.

[3:20:34] Awarded dollars we'd want to

[3:20:35] use them in.

[3:20:35] Those areas.

[3:20:36] >> of technology.

[3:20:37] >> and there's others.

[3:20:38] >> as well.

[3:20:39] I don't know if kelly wants to

[3:20:39] chime in.

[3:20:39] >> but.

[3:20:41] These are the main ones that I

[3:20:41] know you.

[3:20:43] Okay with with respect chief

[3:20:43] and.

[3:20:44] I really don't want to.

[3:20:45] Substitute my.

[3:20:46] My judgment.

[3:20:46] >> for yours.

[3:20:47] I'll simply say.

[3:20:48] That I'm I'm elevating.

[3:20:50] >> the concerns of our citizens

[3:20:51] who feel as.

[3:20:51] Though there are a lot.

[3:20:53] Of potential.

[3:20:53] Um.

[3:20:56] >> downfalls to an increased

[3:20:57] reliance, particularly.

[3:20:59] Around any.

[3:21:00] >> sort of predictive

[3:21:00] analytics, particularly.

[3:21:01] Around the.

[3:21:03] Retention of.

[3:21:04] Otherwise law.

[3:21:06] Abiding citizens comings and

[3:21:06] goings.

[3:21:07] And the.

[3:21:09] Ability of folks who do.

[3:21:10] Not need to have.

[3:21:11] Access to that data to.

[3:21:13] Continue to access it.

[3:21:14] So I would not be.

[3:21:14] >> in.

[3:21:16] Favor of anything.

[3:21:16] >> that would.

[3:21:17] Increase that.

[3:21:19] Spend on technology.

[3:21:20] Some of the other aspects.

[3:21:21] >> you know.

[3:21:21] Particularly around.

[3:21:22] >> mental.

[3:21:23] Health if you were.

[3:21:23] >> to.

[3:21:24] Advance a mental health.

[3:21:24] Program.

[3:21:26] >> I would be very hard pressed

[3:21:27] to say that I would.

[3:21:27] >> not.

[3:21:29] Delight in having.

[3:21:30] 75 million.

[3:21:30] >> or.

[3:21:31] 150.

[3:21:31] Million to put into mental

[3:21:32] health and some of the other.

[3:21:33] Aspects of.

[3:21:35] Quality community policing.

[3:21:35] Um.

[3:21:37] >> I'll I'll end simply by.

[3:21:38] Saying that.

[3:21:38] One of.

[3:21:39] >> my.

[3:21:40] Concerns with this and.

[3:21:40] I tried.

[3:21:41] >> to articulate this.

[3:21:42] Earlier but.

[3:21:43] I hear you say that you

[3:21:46] wouldn't accept it but

[3:21:46] acceptance of this.

[3:21:47] Grant feels.

[3:21:47] To me.

[3:21:48] >> that it would.

[3:21:49] Put the.

[3:21:49] Potential for a real.

[3:21:50] Target on.

[3:21:52] Charlotte if we were to decide

[3:21:52] later on.

[3:21:53] Not to accept it.

[3:21:54] After applying.

[3:21:55] I fear.

[3:21:56] That that.

[3:21:57] Would make us.

[3:21:58] Appear to.

[3:22:00] Be a scofflaw.

[3:22:01] Of of.

[3:22:04] Violent crime prevention um

[3:22:05] strategies and that is nothing

[3:22:06] could be further.

[3:22:07] From the truth.

[3:22:07] None of us.

[3:22:09] Wants to see an increase in.

[3:22:09] Violent crime.

[3:22:11] And all of us want to enable

[3:22:12] you to do that.

[3:22:15] My my my concern.

[3:22:15] >> though is that.

[3:22:17] Enabling you to seek this grant

[3:22:19] that we set ourselves up for

[3:22:21] some some tentacles that we're

[3:22:22] just not fully appreciative of

[3:22:23] .

[3:22:24] So I um.

[3:22:25] I'm cautiously.

[3:22:26] Optimistic that we can get to a

[3:22:28] better spot on this but thank

[3:22:29] you.

[3:22:29] >> thank you council member.

[3:22:31] O and um, council.

[3:22:33] Member um driggs.

[3:22:35] >> and then council member

[3:22:35] johnson.

[3:22:36] Thank you.

[3:22:36] Mayor.

[3:22:38] Uh, it's interesting to me that

[3:22:39] this conversation is actually

[3:22:41] quite different from the one we

[3:22:41] had in committee.

[3:22:42] Um.

[3:22:45] My initial impression was, uh

[3:22:45] wow.

[3:22:46] You know, an opportunity to

[3:22:48] make a huge investment in

[3:22:50] safety at no cost to local

[3:22:50] taxpayers.

[3:22:51] Sounds great.

[3:22:52] Um.

[3:22:53] >> but, uh.

[3:22:56] There are strings attached in

[3:22:56] the way.

[3:22:57] They presented.

[3:22:58] So.

[3:22:58] Uh.

[3:23:00] >> chief, I guess what I would

[3:23:01] say to you is I still hope that

[3:23:01] we.

[3:23:02] >> can.

[3:23:02] Get the benefit.

[3:23:04] Of an improvement.

[3:23:05] >> in safety and no cost to

[3:23:06] local taxpayers.

[3:23:07] Uh, but I think.

[3:23:08] What you're.

[3:23:09] >> hearing here is that we.

[3:23:09] >> have.

[3:23:12] Our strings to, uh.

[3:23:13] And so, uh, the.

[3:23:14] Question to you then.

[3:23:15] As you.

[3:23:16] >> listen to.

[3:23:16] >> what.

[3:23:16] You're being.

[3:23:18] >> told is, uh, I do you.

[3:23:19] Remain confident.

[3:23:22] That you can uphold the, uh,

[3:23:23] values of charlotte.

[3:23:26] And push back against

[3:23:27] interference in our conduct of

[3:23:29] our affairs if we accept this

[3:23:29] money?

[3:23:30] Um.

[3:23:33] >> so, uh, I hope that we won't

[3:23:34] kill this now.

[3:23:36] I hope that we will.

[3:23:38] Uh that we will continue to.

[3:23:41] Explore this and, uh, that we

[3:23:42] will potentially get the

[3:23:44] benefit if successful which is

[3:23:46] not assured but that uh that we

[3:23:48] will uh hopefully get the

[3:23:50] benefit of uh.

[3:23:51] Uh.

[3:23:52] ,investments that really

[3:23:53] further.

[3:23:54] Your purpose.

[3:23:55] And align with what.

[3:23:55] We want.

[3:23:56] .

[3:23:57] >> and so and.

[3:23:59] For now I guess I would just

[3:24:01] say to you, uh, I hope for you

[3:24:02] taking away from this is the

[3:24:03] fact that you need to look

[3:24:05] harder at what you know, what

[3:24:07] they expect to get out of this

[3:24:07] .

[3:24:10] Uh, I would express a personal

[3:24:12] concern that this gets

[3:24:12] political.

[3:24:13] Uh.

[3:24:14] >> given that.

[3:24:15] >> it's coming from the federal

[3:24:15] government.

[3:24:18] Um, and so I wouldn't want us

[3:24:18] to get drawn.

[3:24:19] Into any.

[3:24:20] Sort of, um.

[3:24:22] Uh.

[3:24:24] >> representation of this grant

[3:24:26] and of the partners in this

[3:24:28] grant by uh, anybody at the

[3:24:29] federal level.

[3:24:31] I do have one question about

[3:24:32] the.

[3:24:32] Funding thing.

[3:24:34] Uh, given the nature of the

[3:24:35] investments that are allowed

[3:24:37] here assuming we got this.

[3:24:37] Is it.

[3:24:39] >> possible that we could make

[3:24:40] substantial.

[3:24:42] Investments in in uh in capital

[3:24:44] goods technology and things

[3:24:44] like that.

[3:24:46] During the three.

[3:24:46] Years and.

[3:24:47] >> then.

[3:24:48] Actually have a reduced rate,

[3:24:49] a.

[3:24:50] Reduced need for.

[3:24:51] Additional funding after the

[3:24:53] three years just to sustain

[3:24:54] those operations.

[3:24:55] So uh.

[3:24:57] If there is.

[3:24:58] >> a way if if this is

[3:25:00] something we want to do, can we

[3:25:01] kind of front loaded in such a

[3:25:03] way that the the need that we

[3:25:03] have doesn't.

[3:25:05] >> have to equal.

[3:25:06] The amount of the grant but

[3:25:08] that we could continue making

[3:25:08] that the.

[3:25:09] Grant funded.

[3:25:11] Uh at a lower continuing

[3:25:12] operating cost.

[3:25:13] So I'd be interested to know

[3:25:14] the answer to that because

[3:25:16] there is definitely a concern

[3:25:17] about the budget impact in year

[3:25:17] for.

[3:25:19] Sure and that and that is fair.

[3:25:20] Thank you for that.

[3:25:22] I would say that oftentimes we

[3:25:23] find that the start up of

[3:25:24] something is more substantial

[3:25:26] or more expensive than to

[3:25:27] maintain it.

[3:25:28] So that would be something we

[3:25:28] would look at.

[3:25:30] And I do want to just address

[3:25:31] your first point, which I have

[3:25:32] to say I'm deeply.

[3:25:33] Appreciative of.

[3:25:34] >> all.

[3:25:34] The concerns that have been

[3:25:36] expressed everything that your

[3:25:37] each council member has.

[3:25:38] >> brought to light.

[3:25:39] These are things that um will

[3:25:41] weigh on us and I want to make

[3:25:42] sure that we are being

[3:25:43] responsible with any.

[3:25:44] Decisions that we make.

[3:25:46] But I just stand firm on my

[3:25:46] position.

[3:25:47] That I would not.

[3:25:47] >> put.

[3:25:48] Our.

[3:25:48] City in.

[3:25:50] Jeopardy or our county and that

[3:25:52] we would bring everything to

[3:25:54] you in writing as we are able

[3:25:56] to really get these answers out

[3:25:57] and if we are not in agreement

[3:25:57] with.

[3:25:58] it we would.

[3:25:58] >> not move forward.

[3:26:00] And I want to tell you.

[3:26:01] Personally that I would be.

[3:26:01] Very inclined.

[3:26:02] >> to back you up.

[3:26:04] On your uh on the outcome.

[3:26:06] Uh, we just heard some things

[3:26:06] here.

[3:26:07] >> that do.

[3:26:08] Require further thought.

[3:26:09] Thank you sir.

[3:26:10] Councilmember johnson.

[3:26:12] Thank you MR. Mayor.

[3:26:13] You know when a person.

[3:26:13] Shows you.

[3:26:15] >> who they are the first time

[3:26:16] you have to believe them.

[3:26:17] So we.

[3:26:18] >> know that.

[3:26:18] A trump.

[3:26:21] Bill that.

[3:26:22] >> says make cities.

[3:26:23] Great again.

[3:26:23] .

[3:26:23] >> what that.

[3:26:24] Make a.

[3:26:25] >> man made.

[3:26:26] Yeah what.

[3:26:27] That entails.

[3:26:28] And then.

[3:26:30] >> todd blanch is the.

[3:26:31] The attorney general.

[3:26:31] >> I.

[3:26:32] Mean the.

[3:26:34] The grant specifically or.

[3:26:35] >> it says.

[3:26:38] That we have to comply with.

[3:26:39] Different federal regulations.

[3:26:41] One of the things the.

[3:26:42] >> city attorney said there's.

[3:26:43] No affirmative.

[3:26:45] Duty to do what to report to.

[3:26:47] .

[3:26:48] Um where is she.

[3:26:49] Like report.

[3:26:51] To ice.

[3:26:52] Is that it?

[3:26:52] Is it.

[3:26:54] >> there's no affirmative duty

[3:26:55] or obligation for.

[3:26:55] >> the.

[3:26:58] City to share information with.

[3:26:59] Ice or federal.

[3:27:00] Immigration based on.

[3:27:00] >> the.

[3:27:01] Application or acceptance.

[3:27:02] Of is there a.

[3:27:03] Response?

[3:27:05] I'm sorry.

[3:27:06] Can you repeat.

[3:27:06] >> that a.

[3:27:07] Responsive duty there's.

[3:27:07] No affirmative duty.

[3:27:08] >> but is.

[3:27:09] There do we know.

[3:27:09] >> if.

[3:27:09] There's any.

[3:27:10] Duty to.

[3:27:11] >> report the information?

[3:27:13] So as part of these.

[3:27:14] Federal grants there could be

[3:27:15] clauses.

[3:27:17] That state if requested cmpd.

[3:27:17] >> of the.

[3:27:18] City of charlotte would have

[3:27:18] to.

[3:27:20] Cooperate with federal

[3:27:21] immigration entities.

[3:27:21] Um.

[3:27:22] >> there's no.

[3:27:23] >> details on what that.

[3:27:25] Cooperation looks.

[3:27:27] >> like as the application is.

[3:27:27] Drafted currently.

[3:27:28] The city would.

[3:27:29] Not have to.

[3:27:29] >> change any of.

[3:27:30] >> its.

[3:27:32] Current policies.

[3:27:33] Regarding immigration.

[3:27:34] And ice that we currently.

[3:27:35] >> have.

[3:27:35] In place.

[3:27:36] Um.

[3:27:37] What that means is that right

[3:27:37] now.

[3:27:38] >> we do.

[3:27:39] >> not have any city.

[3:27:41] Policies that require employees

[3:27:41] .

[3:27:42] To violate.

[3:27:42] Federal law.

[3:27:43] >> and you could.

[3:27:44] >> keep that the same.

[3:27:46] I my.

[3:27:47] Colleagues have made some great

[3:27:48] points.

[3:27:48] I agree.

[3:27:49] With council member.

[3:27:50] Owens if we.

[3:27:51] It's only there's.

[3:27:54] Only 2 or 4 cities in the whole

[3:27:54] nation.

[3:27:55] That are going to be.

[3:27:56] Awarded this if we.

[3:27:57] >> get this grant and then.

[3:28:01] Rescind again right or within

[3:28:02] that's going to be problematic.

[3:28:03] And I think we.

[3:28:04] >> as a council.

[3:28:06] Have to learn lessons.

[3:28:07] From some of the decisions

[3:28:08] we've already made without.

[3:28:10] Enough information.

[3:28:11] >> let's think data centers.

[3:28:13] I have.

[3:28:14] >> a two point 5,000,000 square

[3:28:15] foot.

[3:28:16] Data center in the university

[3:28:17] area because.

[3:28:19] >> we made a decision without

[3:28:19] enough.

[3:28:21] Information I 77 we're looking

[3:28:23] at a $64 million.

[3:28:24] Penalty because.

[3:28:25] >> we have information.

[3:28:27] >> we listen to our our

[3:28:28] constituents.

[3:28:29] And uh.

[3:28:30] >> it's a problem when.

[3:28:30] >> we.

[3:28:30] Do that.

[3:28:33] We've received hundreds of

[3:28:33] emails.

[3:28:33] >> just.

[3:28:34] Since we've been sitting here

[3:28:34] tonight.

[3:28:35] So I think.

[3:28:36] >> that we.

[3:28:36] have learned.

[3:28:37] >> the lesson and.

[3:28:37] >> I won't.

[3:28:39] Say bank of america where.

[3:28:40] >> it's.

[3:28:40] Listed as.

[3:28:41] >> one of.

[3:28:42] The worst economic development

[3:28:42] .

[3:28:45] Deals in 2024 where we made the

[3:28:47] decision without details.

[3:28:47] So council.

[3:28:51] We have to learn from our past

[3:28:52] mistakes.

[3:28:53] And so I.

[3:28:54] >> won't be supporting this.

[3:28:55] >> it seems.

[3:28:55] Like we.

[3:28:56] >> have six.

[3:28:58] Council members that are

[3:28:58] prepared today.

[3:29:00] Not to move forward.

[3:29:02] Um so.

[3:29:03] MR. Manager I.

[3:29:04] >> would like.

[3:29:06] To make a motion or.

[3:29:07] No I won't do it.

[3:29:08] Never mind.

[3:29:08] Sorry.

[3:29:08] I think.

[3:29:10] >> he got.

[3:29:10] >> okay.

[3:29:10] .

[3:29:11] >> all right.

[3:29:14] I think that we, uh are we.

[3:29:16] Also we've got two more council

[3:29:19] members who asked to be heard.

[3:29:19] Seriously?

[3:29:20] Obviously serious.

[3:29:21] Questions being raised.

[3:29:23] This is.

[3:29:24] A preview.

[3:29:24] Um.

[3:29:26] >> we'll see where this goes

[3:29:26] from here.

[3:29:27] But.

[3:29:29] >> uh, councilmember.

[3:29:29] Johnson.

[3:29:30] >> are you good?

[3:29:31] Um I'm fine.

[3:29:32] i just again those.

[3:29:32] Three we.

[3:29:33] >> have to think.

[3:29:35] About the decisions we've

[3:29:35] already made.

[3:29:37] And how this applies, how we

[3:29:38] move forward.

[3:29:40] >> and MR. Manager, I really.

[3:29:42] Really would like to change the

[3:29:43] culture where we're not getting

[3:29:45] the information we have the

[3:29:46] answers to our questions.

[3:29:48] Before it's presented to

[3:29:48] council.

[3:29:49] No, I.

[3:29:49] >> think.

[3:29:52] That when is it coming back.

[3:29:52] To council?

[3:29:55] When is this coming back to

[3:29:55] council?

[3:29:56] >> it's not on a.

[3:29:56] Agenda.

[3:30:00] >> thank you, MR. Mayor.

[3:30:01] Uh I think council member

[3:30:03] drakes is right this

[3:30:04] conversation is different from

[3:30:06] the the committee meeting

[3:30:08] because now we have details

[3:30:10] right that we didn't have.

[3:30:12] Two weeks ago and it's called

[3:30:12] research.

[3:30:15] Um uh, that we were not able to

[3:30:17] do when we get when we saw the

[3:30:19] the presentation before.

[3:30:21] Chief patterson, this is not

[3:30:22] about you, right?

[3:30:24] It's not about trust and

[3:30:24] confidence in you.

[3:30:26] It's trust and confidence with

[3:30:27] our federal partners.

[3:30:29] Let's be blunt about it right

[3:30:31] and right.

[3:30:34] Um, and once upon a time cities

[3:30:35] and states with but roll.

[3:30:36] >> over.

[3:30:38] Backwards to do business with

[3:30:40] the federal government because

[3:30:42] they trust a partner they had

[3:30:44] confidence in the partner uh

[3:30:46] they had confidence that is a

[3:30:48] relationship built on trust and

[3:30:48] confidence.

[3:30:49] Uh, what you're hearing today

[3:30:52] is there's still confidence

[3:30:53] that they will keep their word

[3:30:53] .

[3:30:54] Um.

[3:30:55] >> that they will do what they

[3:30:56] said they're going to do.

[3:30:58] I will just make it up as they

[3:30:59] go along.

[3:31:00] And so I think the questions

[3:31:02] that's been asked tonight is

[3:31:03] legitimate for sure.

[3:31:05] The research my colleagues have

[3:31:07] done and I support it in the

[3:31:09] committee and as soon as I got

[3:31:10] to my car.

[3:31:13] Someone called me and said um

[3:31:16] uh proceed with caution, read

[3:31:18] the details and and sent me

[3:31:18] information.

[3:31:20] And so I kind of.

[3:31:22] Kind of got the initial

[3:31:24] presentation.

[3:31:24] All of it is good.

[3:31:27] Council member wanted is pretty

[3:31:27] similar to the.

[3:31:28] >> continuum we.

[3:31:29] >> shouldn't.

[3:31:30] Care we had a year a year ago

[3:31:31] right where.

[3:31:31] >> we.

[3:31:32] Got all.

[3:31:33] >> the agencies working

[3:31:35] together, all the department

[3:31:36] was the city's responsibility,

[3:31:38] the county's responsibility

[3:31:40] mental health, substance abuse

[3:31:41] all good things.

[3:31:43] You know the federal government

[3:31:45] wants to give us $20 million to

[3:31:46] execute it.

[3:31:46] Fine.

[3:31:49] We can we trust them.

[3:31:52] It's a valid question.

[3:31:54] Council member graham thank you

[3:31:54] for.

[3:31:55] >> that perspective.

[3:31:58] So I don't know if you can

[3:32:00] answer maybe any questions by

[3:32:01] SEPTEMBER 1st.

[3:32:04] Your large task.

[3:32:05] I don't know.

[3:32:08] All very legitimate and some

[3:32:10] you can't because you got the

[3:32:11] policy and then you got the.

[3:32:11] Politics.

[3:32:16] >> and um if you tell the.

[3:32:20] There's just no trust.

[3:32:23] Yes.

[3:32:24] >> duly noted.

[3:32:24] Thank you.

[3:32:25] >> council member.

[3:32:26] Council councilmember graham

[3:32:27] you done.

[3:32:29] Councilmember I.

[3:32:30] >> said it all.

[3:32:30] Thank you.

[3:32:31] Thank you mayor.

[3:32:34] And um chief and team thank you

[3:32:35] for the presentation.

[3:32:37] And uh colleagues, thank you

[3:32:39] for some really, really great

[3:32:40] robust questions.

[3:32:41] Um.

[3:32:42] >> that I think are.

[3:32:44] Really important and they all.

[3:32:46] Deserve full.

[3:32:47] Full answers.

[3:32:49] Uh, I think the task of what

[3:32:50] chief has before her.

[3:32:51] And trying to.

[3:32:54] Answer any questions is she

[3:32:55] might be able to answer a

[3:32:57] percentage of them now, but

[3:32:59] quite frankly probably until

[3:33:01] there's an advancement of a

[3:33:02] next round.

[3:33:03] >> in the.

[3:33:04] Grant where there's additional

[3:33:04] .

[3:33:06] Details you MAY or MAY not I

[3:33:07] don't want to speak.

[3:33:07] >> for you.

[3:33:08] >> but.

[3:33:09] You MAY or MAY not have that

[3:33:11] information around what would

[3:33:11] be.

[3:33:13] The real.

[3:33:16] stickiness to um.

[3:33:18] What are the affirmative duties

[3:33:19] ?

[3:33:19] Right.

[3:33:20] Um so.

[3:33:23] I'll leave that in.

[3:33:23] Your court.

[3:33:24] >> to figure out what she can

[3:33:25] answer.

[3:33:26] What she can answer.

[3:33:28] I will say that, um, some of

[3:33:31] these anticipatory questions.

[3:33:31] Um.

[3:33:34] >> regarding affirmative duty

[3:33:37] and, um, how we would take care

[3:33:39] of these things if we were

[3:33:40] advanced, etc. This sort of a

[3:33:44] mixed bucket between sustained

[3:33:44] sources.

[3:33:46] So actually ftes and sources

[3:33:48] that we'd have to.

[3:33:49] Uh.

[3:33:50] >> individually take.

[3:33:52] On after a three year window

[3:33:54] and then some accelerating

[3:33:56] opportunities to invest in

[3:33:57] spaces where we might not have

[3:33:58] capital in.

[3:34:00] Our in our budget or.

[3:34:01] Might not want to.

[3:34:02] >> put that burden on

[3:34:03] taxpayers.

[3:34:03] >> and so.

[3:34:05] Certainly you have that in the

[3:34:06] mix that you are.

[3:34:07] Are putting.

[3:34:09] Forward um, all the concerns

[3:34:11] around ice I think are

[3:34:13] extremely valid but also um.

[3:34:15] We did have an event in our

[3:34:18] community um, just a short

[3:34:21] while ago and we did stand true

[3:34:23] to what the chief said in terms

[3:34:23] .

[3:34:25] Of abiding by the law but

[3:34:25] making.

[3:34:26] Sure that.

[3:34:28] If it's not within our purview

[3:34:31] we don't participate in those

[3:34:31] activities.

[3:34:32] there are.

[3:34:34] Other entities that do that and

[3:34:37] I think I commend cmpd for

[3:34:38] executing themselves very.

[3:34:39] Well during.

[3:34:41] That um, small window of time

[3:34:42] but.

[3:34:42] Very, very.

[3:34:44] Difficult period of time.

[3:34:45] Within our city.

[3:34:46] We always want to be a

[3:34:48] welcoming city and protect our

[3:34:49] immigrant.

[3:34:51] Community who just make us more

[3:34:52] more um, beautiful.

[3:34:52] >> and.

[3:34:54] Diverse overall.

[3:34:56] >> in a better city.

[3:34:58] Uh, then the portion I'll say

[3:34:59] is just sort of connected to

[3:35:02] this technology piece um, that

[3:35:04] we've talked about because just

[3:35:05] a short while ago.

[3:35:07] We approved.

[3:35:10] Red light cameras that are

[3:35:12] going to track vehicles and

[3:35:14] other things, um, that come

[3:35:17] within its purview and we have

[3:35:19] 621 cameras at intersections

[3:35:20] all throughout the city of

[3:35:20] charlotte.

[3:35:22] And when something arises like

[3:35:23] the event that happened last

[3:35:26] week, um, in dilworth.

[3:35:28] Those cameras were tapped into

[3:35:29] to try and uh.

[3:35:30] Very quickly.

[3:35:31] Find an assailant.

[3:35:33] And so I think that I bring

[3:35:36] that up to say that I think our

[3:35:39] stance on technology and how we

[3:35:41] want to leverage technology um

[3:35:43] ,in terms of how we advance

[3:35:47] policy and um, accelerate

[3:35:49] certain things like crime.

[3:35:52] Enforcement or reduction or

[3:35:54] even in other areas outside of

[3:35:56] uh public safety is something

[3:35:59] that I think needs to be um,

[3:35:59] more.

[3:36:02] pronounced and not just simply

[3:36:04] that one one off conversation

[3:36:06] where technology is a critical

[3:36:06] .

[3:36:10] Piece of how the answer get

[3:36:11] solved.

[3:36:13] Uh, but rather take a step back

[3:36:16] and take a 5000 uh foot view of

[3:36:18] how the city of charlotte wants

[3:36:20] to embrace technology to

[3:36:22] advance ourselves in these

[3:36:26] spaces as others as we, um,

[3:36:27] continue to grow and celebrate

[3:36:29] the first year of the pearl and

[3:36:31] our innovation hub and uh, the

[3:36:32] thousands.

[3:36:35] Of of doctors and med tech and

[3:36:36] health tech folks who come to

[3:36:38] the city of charlotte and

[3:36:41] advancing the tech um

[3:36:42] innovation hub that's going to

[3:36:43] go along north tryon and

[3:36:46] connect to you and ccs um, our.

[3:36:48] One research status there.

[3:36:49] >> will be.

[3:36:52] Industries that are atten.

[3:36:54] To education and other things

[3:36:56] that technology will grow and

[3:36:59] advance here effectively become

[3:36:59] incubators.

[3:37:01] And so we might want to have a

[3:37:02] position uh.

[3:37:03] City manager.

[3:37:05] On how we would like to.

[3:37:05] Interface with.

[3:37:07] >> technology any advancement

[3:37:09] um, just given how quickly it

[3:37:10] is advancing.

[3:37:11] Before us.

[3:37:12] So it's all ahead.

[3:37:12] Mayor.

[3:37:13] Thank you.

[3:37:14] >> thank everyone.

[3:37:15] Who has.

[3:37:17] Asked to be heard has been

[3:37:18] heard clearly.

[3:37:19] Robust discussion.

[3:37:20] We have lots of very good.

[3:37:21] Questions not.

[3:37:22] Inclined to do a second round

[3:37:24] because I think we've got the

[3:37:25] sense that there are very

[3:37:27] serious questions uh to be

[3:37:27] answered.

[3:37:29] Uh look forward to getting

[3:37:30] answers from the chief.

[3:37:31] This is not scheduled for an

[3:37:33] it's not an agenda item.

[3:37:34] We know that there's a deadline

[3:37:35] for the application and I think

[3:37:37] council will have to consider

[3:37:38] how to how to.

[3:37:38] Move forward.

[3:37:41] In one way or another with that

[3:37:41] manager.

[3:37:42] I have a question for the.

[3:37:43] Manager.

[3:37:46] >> manager jones.

[3:37:48] This is 22 days out.

[3:37:50] I believe from.

[3:37:51] >> the questions that have been

[3:37:51] asked about on this.

[3:37:53] Council that.

[3:37:55] At minimum six of us have

[3:37:57] shared very clear concerns.

[3:38:00] I do not think there.

[3:38:01] Is support.

[3:38:03] For staff to continue using

[3:38:04] staff.

[3:38:05] Resource sources.

[3:38:08] >> to even try to investigate

[3:38:08] this grant.

[3:38:09] We have.

[3:38:10] >> just gone to this and we are

[3:38:12] having a conversation where.

[3:38:14] Council supported.

[3:38:16] Our representative to.

[3:38:17] Go say yes.

[3:38:18] For discussion to.

[3:38:19] Get more information.

[3:38:20] We are.

[3:38:21] Now looking.

[3:38:21] >> at.

[3:38:22] 60 plus million.

[3:38:24] Dollars going back to 2018.

[3:38:26] Because we said yes, that we

[3:38:26] would listen.

[3:38:29] To the potential of.

[3:38:30] A partnership.

[3:38:31] If it.

[3:38:33] >> needs to be in the form of.

[3:38:34] >> a vote.

[3:38:35] So that is very.

[3:38:35] >> clear.

[3:38:38] And or we.

[3:38:41] Need to identify a date a

[3:38:41] deadline day.

[3:38:42] Prior to.

[3:38:44] >> 22 days from now.

[3:38:46] Since this is due this

[3:38:47] application is due SEPTEMBER.

[3:38:48] >> 1st where.

[3:38:50] All 80 plus.

[3:38:50] Questions are.

[3:38:52] Going to be answered in.

[3:38:52] Full for.

[3:38:53] Council to have.

[3:38:56] Time to have a real.

[3:38:58] Discussion and before any more.

[3:39:00] Time is put towards this grant

[3:39:02] application but that falls

[3:39:04] within your wheelhouse as.

[3:39:04] >> the manager.

[3:39:06] If you.

[3:39:09] >> I think you COUNCILMAN MAY

[3:39:11] feel what I would ask is very

[3:39:12] clear what the council's.

[3:39:13] Position is.

[3:39:15] Um the chief has done a great

[3:39:18] job with her team talking to

[3:39:20] different entities within our

[3:39:21] community.

[3:39:24] Um, concepts like trying to

[3:39:25] fund a non congregate shelter,

[3:39:28] uh, many things that, uh,

[3:39:29] council member owens talked.

[3:39:31] About things that are along.

[3:39:32] >> the.

[3:39:33] Mental health spectrum also.

[3:39:34] So I.

[3:39:36] Have a strong sense of where

[3:39:38] the council's position is.

[3:39:40] I would just like to give the

[3:39:42] chief and her team an

[3:39:42] opportunity to have.

[3:39:44] Conversations with some of.

[3:39:45] >> the partners.

[3:39:45] That she.

[3:39:45] >> has talked.

[3:39:46] To up to this point.

[3:39:47] >> if that's.

[3:39:47] >> fair, that's fair.

[3:39:49] Mhm.

[3:39:50] Okay.

[3:39:51] >> any further.

[3:39:52] Comments or questions.

[3:39:55] On this last word from council

[3:39:57] member as we were a hopefully

[3:39:59] let's be conscious of the time

[3:39:59] .

[3:40:01] I know chief you said a lot of

[3:40:03] the terms and conditions are

[3:40:04] not something that we know.

[3:40:07] So just knowing that we have

[3:40:08] financial exposure I think that

[3:40:09] should be a valid reason for us

[3:40:10] to not pursue.

[3:40:11] This further.

[3:40:13] And I agree with councilmember

[3:40:14] mayfield not invest more time.

[3:40:17] In our staff resources, um, in

[3:40:18] this opportunity because I

[3:40:19] think you.

[3:40:21] Hear from at least the majority

[3:40:23] that we are not.

[3:40:25] So excited.

[3:40:26] About this opportunity.

[3:40:27] That's all I have.

[3:40:28] Okay.

[3:40:30] >> rest of the agenda.

[3:40:33] So uh, from manager's report.

[3:40:33] Yeah.

[3:40:34] >> so we're finished with the

[3:40:35] manager's report.

[3:40:35] Okay.

[3:40:36] >> so we go.

[3:40:36] >> to.

[3:40:36] The business.

[3:40:38] We will move now we'll move to

[3:40:39] the business section of our

[3:40:39] agenda.

[3:40:41] Our first business item is for

[3:40:41] authorization.

[3:40:45] Of 2026 stormwater revenue

[3:40:47] construction period financing.

[3:40:49] Are there any speakers on this

[3:40:49] issue?

[3:40:50] Okay.

[3:40:54] >> um for item ten this is item

[3:40:54] ten.

[3:40:55] is there a motion to adopt a.

[3:40:57] Bond order and resolution

[3:40:58] authorizing the issuance of up

[3:41:01] to $110 million of construction

[3:41:02] period financing and calling

[3:41:04] for the execution and delivery

[3:41:06] of various documents in

[3:41:08] connection with that issuance

[3:41:09] and authorized city officials

[3:41:11] to take necessary actions to

[3:41:12] complete the financing,

[3:41:13] including making the

[3:41:15] application to local government

[3:41:16] commission so moved.

[3:41:17] Is there a.

[3:41:18] Second second?

[3:41:19] Any questions?

[3:41:19] Discussion.

[3:41:21] All in favor raise your hand.

[3:41:22] Any opposed?

[3:41:24] It passes unanimously.

[3:41:26] Number 11 the.

[3:41:27] Second item on the.

[3:41:30] Business agenda is um for land

[3:41:33] purchase for cmpd northeast

[3:41:34] division station.

[3:41:36] Are there any speakers on this

[3:41:36] item?

[3:41:37] No, sir.

[3:41:38] Good for item 11.

[3:41:40] Is there a motion to approve

[3:41:42] the purchase of an

[3:41:45] approximately 5.566 acre parcel

[3:41:48] located on the corner of harris

[3:41:49] boulevard and old statesville

[3:41:53] road in the amount of

[3:41:55] $3,745,000 and b authorize the

[3:41:57] city manager to negotiate and

[3:41:58] execute all documents necessary

[3:42:00] to complete this transaction.

[3:42:01] So there.

[3:42:03] >> any questions?

[3:42:04] Council member mayfield.

[3:42:05] Thank you.

[3:42:06] >> uh.

[3:42:08] Actually when we had the check

[3:42:11] in with staff on friday asked a

[3:42:13] question specifically about.

[3:42:13] >> the.

[3:42:14] Land purchase, I.

[3:42:15] >> don't know if.

[3:42:16] Anybody in.

[3:42:17] >> here who was actually on

[3:42:17] that.

[3:42:18] Call.

[3:42:18] >> but I have.

[3:42:20] Note where I was waiting for a

[3:42:23] response specifically to the

[3:42:25] question that I asked.

[3:42:26] All right.

[3:42:27] You asked about.

[3:42:28] >> this particular item.

[3:42:30] That you have and is.

[3:42:32] Unfortunately not in my.

[3:42:35] Follow up the staff gave to me

[3:42:36] earlier.

[3:42:37] The day.

[3:42:38] Pass the question on to.

[3:42:39] >> you not.

[3:42:41] After the.

[3:42:42] Session that we had the

[3:42:43] information session we had dave

[3:42:43] .

[3:42:44] Johnson, major.

[3:42:45] With the.

[3:42:46] >> police department.

[3:42:47] Uh it's.

[3:42:48] >> I'm glad to try to.

[3:42:49] Answer the question.

[3:42:50] Now or we have.

[3:42:51] Resources here from.

[3:42:53] Real estate also I used.

[3:42:56] Okay major what I was I was

[3:42:57] just trying to.

[3:43:03] Um we're looking.

[3:43:03] >> at.

[3:43:04] A purchase price of this of.

[3:43:09] 3.7. $3,745,000.

[3:43:12] So I did have a specific

[3:43:13] question that I asked that but

[3:43:15] the staff are not here nor that

[3:43:16] they respond.

[3:43:17] To so.

[3:43:18] That's not helping me.

[3:43:19] So manager jones.

[3:43:19] If we're going.

[3:43:20] >> to have.

[3:43:21] A meeting on.

[3:43:23] Friday as well as monday it

[3:43:25] would be helpful for that.

[3:43:26] what questions we asked

[3:43:27] actually make their way back to

[3:43:27] it.

[3:43:28] Major.

[3:43:28] >> I'm not going.

[3:43:29] >> to.

[3:43:30] Hit you with a question tonight

[3:43:31] that you didn't have two days

[3:43:31] to.

[3:43:31] Prepare for.

[3:43:32] .

[3:43:34] >> since I initially asked this

[3:43:36] on friday afternoon.

[3:43:37] >> and.

[3:43:37] I checked.

[3:43:37] Into.

[3:43:40] >> any further discussion on

[3:43:42] this motion or any subsequent

[3:43:43] any um other.

[3:43:44] Motions with regard to the.

[3:43:45] Action item.

[3:43:48] That's on me.

[3:43:49] >> you can.

[3:43:50] Go to.

[3:43:53] Calling the question uh, all in

[3:43:54] favor of the motion as outlined

[3:43:56] in item 11 and previously read

[3:43:57] please raise your hand.

[3:43:58] Okay.

[3:44:01] >> any opposed?

[3:44:03] The motion carries tonight

[3:44:04] count city council will also

[3:44:06] make nominations to boards and

[3:44:06] commissions.

[3:44:08] The council members submitted

[3:44:09] their nominations earlier to

[3:44:11] the clerk via email.

[3:44:13] Names of nominees will not be

[3:44:16] read at the dais tomorrow the

[3:44:16] clerk will email.

[3:44:17] City council.

[3:44:18] >> the names of applicants that

[3:44:18] received.

[3:44:20] At least two nominations.

[3:44:22] These candidates will be

[3:44:23] considered for appointment at

[3:44:23] the next.

[3:44:24] Business meeting.

[3:44:27] Any applicant receiving six or

[3:44:29] more nominations can be

[3:44:30] considered for appointment

[3:44:32] tonight on a motion second and

[3:44:33] majority vote of council.

[3:44:35] The names of all nominees will

[3:44:36] be recorded in the official

[3:44:37] minutes of the meeting.

[3:44:39] The clerk will now proceed with

[3:44:40] announcing the results of the.

[3:44:42] Nomination and then council

[3:44:43] member mayfield, do you have a

[3:44:44] question after those are read?

[3:44:47] He's going um.

[3:44:48] I saw you.

[3:44:49] >> it.

[3:44:49] Was not.

[3:44:50] Clear the.

[3:44:51] Way you started.

[3:44:52] Out.

[3:44:53] >> mayor harrington.

[3:44:53] >> but.

[3:44:54] I believe at the end.

[3:44:55] You stated.

[3:44:56] That the clerk.

[3:44:57] Is going to announce.

[3:44:59] Who received.

[3:45:00] Six or more books.

[3:45:01] The correct.

[3:45:04] My apologies when you were

[3:45:04] reading there.

[3:45:04] Sounded like.

[3:45:06] >> we were saying we weren't.

[3:45:06] >> gonna.

[3:45:07] Out now.

[3:45:08] Who was nominated?

[3:45:11] So we're not going to announce

[3:45:11] other than.

[3:45:12] Six who are.

[3:45:14] >> actually a former member

[3:45:14] jones thank.

[3:45:15] >> you.

[3:45:15] Thank you.

[3:45:16] Thank you I do have.

[3:45:18] >> a question and we can talk

[3:45:19] about this with the clerk's

[3:45:19] office later.

[3:45:20] But the.

[3:45:24] These boards how are we hearing

[3:45:24] .

[3:45:25] Uh how is council.

[3:45:26] >> hearing from the boards?

[3:45:27] um, I.

[3:45:28] >> know that have city staff.

[3:45:29] That they.

[3:45:30] >> the the.

[3:45:30] Liaison but.

[3:45:32] I'd like to hear.

[3:45:33] From the board.

[3:45:35] Sometimes um.

[3:45:36] Specifically the domestic

[3:45:38] domestic violence board.

[3:45:38] I want.

[3:45:39] >> to know if.

[3:45:40] >> we are.

[3:45:41] Intentional about having

[3:45:41] survivors.

[3:45:42] On that.

[3:45:44] Board and then what committee

[3:45:45] does that board.

[3:45:45] Report to?

[3:45:47] Um, and.

[3:45:48] >> have we had presentations.

[3:45:49] From this.

[3:45:49] >> board or any of.

[3:45:50] >> the boards?

[3:45:51] Domestic violence is.

[3:45:54] So serious and tragic in our

[3:45:54] community.

[3:45:55] So I like us to.

[3:45:57] >> be intentional about making

[3:45:58] I know the recommended target.

[3:46:00] Um individuals I think they

[3:46:01] were both.

[3:46:03] Males and not that men can't be

[3:46:04] victims of domestic violence

[3:46:04] but.

[3:46:05] >> I want to know how.

[3:46:06] Intentional we are.

[3:46:07] About making sure.

[3:46:09] There's peers.

[3:46:10] On these.

[3:46:11] >> boards that's all.

[3:46:11] Yeah.

[3:46:13] >> so just for clarification, I

[3:46:13] think the only thing we will

[3:46:16] decide tonight is that if there

[3:46:18] are nominations by six of the

[3:46:18] members.

[3:46:19] But let me also.

[3:46:21] Let council member anderson

[3:46:21] respond.

[3:46:21] thank you.

[3:46:22] >> mayor harrington.

[3:46:24] I just wanted to respond to

[3:46:24] your question.

[3:46:26] Uh, colleague yes, the domestic

[3:46:28] violence board falls underneath

[3:46:30] the public safety committee and

[3:46:32] we've actually had them already

[3:46:34] come to committee and present

[3:46:35] to us and share.

[3:46:37] With us some of their concerns

[3:46:37] .

[3:46:40] And so we're committed to doing

[3:46:41] that at least on a quarterly

[3:46:44] basis is to have those um, one

[3:46:45] of those committees that fall

[3:46:46] under the purview of public.

[3:46:47] Safety coming present, but

[3:46:48] you're spot on.

[3:46:49] They've already come in.

[3:46:50] They've already participated.

[3:46:51] Uh.

[3:46:52] >> you.

[3:46:53] Any further questions?

[3:46:56] Be sure to read the oh okay.

[3:46:59] Okay again, MR. Mayor, I'm only

[3:46:59] reading the ones.

[3:47:01] >> that received six or.

[3:47:02] More so for.

[3:47:05] The crb um, andrew davis

[3:47:07] received 11 nominations and

[3:47:08] sheriff hannon.

[3:47:09] Received 11 nominations.

[3:47:13] For the community uh community

[3:47:14] relations committee it was to

[3:47:17] nominate four but only two

[3:47:17] received six or.

[3:47:18] >> more vote.

[3:47:20] So that was travis barnes who

[3:47:23] received seven nominations and

[3:47:24] uh tiffany.

[3:47:25] Sims received nine.

[3:47:27] Nominations so that one will

[3:47:27] come.

[3:47:29] Back for the domestic.

[3:47:31] Violence advisory committee.

[3:47:35] Edward brass with receive ten

[3:47:37] nominations and dustin hovis

[3:47:38] received 11 nominations.

[3:47:41] And finally for.

[3:47:42] the um.

[3:47:46] Youdo board of adjustments

[3:47:48] tamara shamberg received nine.

[3:47:49] >> nominations and.

[3:47:50] Just to be clear.

[3:47:52] Acclamation just just to be

[3:47:53] clear on the committees where

[3:47:55] you said things will come back

[3:47:57] it's for the the folks who did

[3:47:59] not get six even for those

[3:48:00] committees if they got six

[3:48:01] nominations we were voting on

[3:48:02] them tonight correct?

[3:48:03] That is correct.

[3:48:05] So for the community relations

[3:48:06] committee it was to nominate

[3:48:06] four.

[3:48:09] But only two people received

[3:48:09] six or.

[3:48:11] More nominations so that more

[3:48:13] will come back for the other

[3:48:13] two.

[3:48:14] .

[3:48:15] >> got it and I understand that

[3:48:17] will fall into the anticipated

[3:48:19] motion for acceptance by

[3:48:19] acclamation.

[3:48:21] Focal point that I can move

[3:48:21] mayfield.

[3:48:24] Second any opposition there?

[3:48:25] Okay.

[3:48:27] >> uh let's let's go ahead and

[3:48:28] do it.

[3:48:28] All in.

[3:48:30] >> favor any opposed?

[3:48:33] All right we are done and we

[3:48:36] have had a request for a we've

[3:48:39] had a request for close uh um

[3:48:39] session.

[3:48:40] Um excuse.

[3:48:41] Me.

[3:48:41] >> I'm just.

[3:48:42] >> a point of order.

[3:48:43] Where are we going to.

[3:48:44] Follow up with this referral?

[3:48:45] A question.

[3:48:46] >> from earlier.

[3:48:48] So remind me what the question.

[3:48:49] >> I.

[3:48:49] Want to.

[3:48:50] >> make sure that the concerns

[3:48:52] that councilmember johnson had

[3:48:52] lifted up, uh.

[3:48:55] Were covered in the referral.

[3:48:58] And as I read it, it appears

[3:48:58] that it's.

[3:48:59] Uh I want.

[3:49:00] >> to I want there to be some

[3:49:01] clarity because it feels like

[3:49:03] it MAY be out of scope from

[3:49:03] what's.

[3:49:04] Written on this paper.

[3:49:05] Um.

[3:49:06] >> and I just want a line.

[3:49:08] On whether or not it's in scope

[3:49:10] or not because as I look at

[3:49:12] what the charges it says review

[3:49:13] current council adopted

[3:49:14] policies and practices that

[3:49:16] inform transportation

[3:49:16] infrastructure requirements

[3:49:17] through the rezoning

[3:49:18] development process.

[3:49:20] Evaluate how transportation

[3:49:21] requirements are currently

[3:49:22] documented and communicated to

[3:49:24] council stakeholders and the

[3:49:24] public.

[3:49:25] Recommend potential

[3:49:26] improvements to enhance clarity

[3:49:28] ,consistency and transparency

[3:49:30] but I don't see there recommend

[3:49:32] improvements to the process

[3:49:32] itself.

[3:49:36] And so I guess the question is

[3:49:38] whether we need a referral in

[3:49:39] addition.

[3:49:39] >> to this.

[3:49:41] Referral to make that point

[3:49:41] right.

[3:49:44] And is that something that um.

[3:49:44] I will ask.

[3:49:46] The city attorney for, you

[3:49:48] know, per input, is that

[3:49:49] something that we need.

[3:49:49] >> to.

[3:49:50] Do tonight or is that.

[3:49:51] Something that should come.

[3:49:51] >> as.

[3:49:52] A referral.

[3:49:52] >> in the normal.

[3:49:54] Course because if so I mean I

[3:49:56] I'm happy to second uh, a

[3:49:57] referral request from a council

[3:49:58] member.

[3:49:58] That's how we would just.

[3:49:58] >> have.

[3:49:59] It done on.

[3:49:59] >> the record.

[3:50:00] >> you can have it on the.

[3:50:01] Record certainly.

[3:50:01] >> and mayor you can.

[3:50:02] Send that referral.

[3:50:03] It that's at.

[3:50:04] A time that's appropriate.

[3:50:05] Or good.

[3:50:08] >> is there a motion I think we

[3:50:09] need to state really clearly

[3:50:10] what the motion.

[3:50:11] With the.

[3:50:13] Item that's being referred is.

[3:50:14] Happy to take.

[3:50:16] That outside of this meeting if

[3:50:17] we can do it with better

[3:50:18] clarity of what's being

[3:50:19] requested.

[3:50:21] Um, but it's the council's

[3:50:22] pleasure if if a motion is

[3:50:23] requested and a second received

[3:50:23] .

[3:50:24] So I have a question.

[3:50:26] One of the things the city.

[3:50:27] Manager said it was had already

[3:50:28] been referred to committee.

[3:50:30] So I was looking at the.

[3:50:34] Tracker um and I didn't see

[3:50:34] anything.

[3:50:36] Specifically to discuss

[3:50:37] cumulative impact.

[3:50:37] So if.

[3:50:38] >> um if.

[3:50:40] This is redundant then we.

[3:50:41] Can I guess work that out

[3:50:42] afterwards.

[3:50:42] But I do want.

[3:50:43] To I guess make.

[3:50:44] >> a motion.

[3:50:44] >> then.

[3:50:48] To refer the item to you to

[3:50:49] refer the item to.

[3:50:49] committee.

[3:50:50] >> which committee?

[3:50:54] Uh tpd I guess all right tbd,

[3:50:54] tbd.

[3:50:57] Committee transportation.

[3:50:58] Planning and development.

[3:50:59] Committee to.

[3:51:01] Discuss cumulative.

[3:51:03] Impact and.

[3:51:03] Could use.

[3:51:05] State just so we have it on the

[3:51:06] record I know we're saying to

[3:51:08] discuss cumulative impact, but

[3:51:08] I think it.

[3:51:09] >> would be.

[3:51:10] Helpful to be more descriptive

[3:51:13] of exactly what we're referring

[3:51:13] other.

[3:51:15] Than saying cumulative impact.

[3:51:15] >> I.

[3:51:16] Guess to.

[3:51:17] Discuss revising the.

[3:51:19] Policy review.

[3:51:20] The ueo.

[3:51:22] Policy um.

[3:51:25] For transportation studies.

[3:51:27] Yeah, tis.

[3:51:28] To address.

[3:51:29] Cumulative impact.

[3:51:30] Yeah to include.

[3:51:31] To include.

[3:51:32] Cumulative impact.

[3:51:33] Yeah.

[3:51:33] Second is.

[3:51:33] >> there.

[3:51:34] Is a second.

[3:51:36] And make recommendations policy

[3:51:36] and.

[3:51:38] Make recommendations to the

[3:51:39] policy yes.

[3:51:40] Yes that's where the.

[3:51:41] Rubber meets the road.

[3:51:43] And and mayor can I ask.

[3:51:44] If we want.

[3:51:46] >> to add the truck parking.

[3:51:47] We can have it.

[3:51:49] We talked about.

[3:51:50] That earlier okay okay I'll

[3:51:50] leave.

[3:51:51] >> it alone but.

[3:51:52] >> we do.

[3:51:52] Need to.

[3:51:54] Discuss commercial.

[3:51:55] Parking but I'll leave it there

[3:51:55] .

[3:51:55] Yeah.

[3:51:57] Why don't you restate just that

[3:51:57] you.

[3:51:58] >> can.

[3:51:58] You can cover.

[3:51:59] What they got it so.

[3:52:00] >> that.

[3:52:01] You can cover what?

[3:52:04] Um um, council member mira said

[3:52:04] or.

[3:52:05] The city attorney can read it,

[3:52:06] but I just want to make sure we

[3:52:08] have clear in the record what

[3:52:10] the full motion is and then we

[3:52:10] can get us.

[3:52:10] >> an.

[3:52:11] Awesome thank you.

[3:52:11] Let us.

[3:52:12] Yeah, yeah.

[3:52:13] >> I would.

[3:52:14] >> like to get our.

[3:52:14] Captured.

[3:52:15] Please read so the.

[3:52:16] Motion by.

[3:52:17] >> MISS Johnson.

[3:52:18] Seconded by MISS.

[3:52:19] Mayfield was to.

[3:52:19] Refer the.

[3:52:20] >> item to the mayor.

[3:52:21] To refer.

[3:52:22] >> to tpd committee to.

[3:52:23] Discuss the cumulative.

[3:52:26] Impact revising the udot

[3:52:26] policy.

[3:52:27] >> for transportation.

[3:52:28] For transportation study.

[3:52:29] >> and to.

[3:52:30] Make recommendations to the

[3:52:31] policy.

[3:52:32] Are we good?

[3:52:33] And that's why you.

[3:52:35] Got the we got the motion we

[3:52:35] got the second.

[3:52:38] All in favor any opposed all

[3:52:40] right that carries okay again

[3:52:42] anything else I think we've had

[3:52:43] a request for closed session.

[3:52:44] We need a motion.

[3:52:45] To do that.

[3:52:46] That's right mayor thank you.

[3:52:46] I would.

[3:52:47] Ask the city attorney to read

[3:52:49] the read the language and then

[3:52:50] someone can make a motion if

[3:52:50] it's their pleasure.

[3:52:51] Thank you.

[3:52:52] >> mayor harrington.

[3:52:53] >> the motion.

[3:52:53] >> is to.

[3:52:54] Request the motion.

[3:52:55] >> is to go into closed session

[3:52:57] pursuant to an cgs 140.

[3:52:59] 3-3 18.11.

[3:52:59] A three.

[3:52:59] >> to.

[3:53:00] Consult with the city.

[3:53:01] Attorney regarding.

[3:53:02] >> the legal implications.

[3:53:04] Of a proposed action and.

[3:53:05] To preserve.

[3:53:06] >> the.

[3:53:06] Attorney client privilege.

[3:53:08] Is there a motion so moved?

[3:53:09] Second.

[3:53:11] >> any questions?

[3:53:12] All in favor?

[3:53:13] Any opposed?

[3:53:14] All right.

[3:53:16] >> we're going into closing.

[3:53:28] Charlotte revenue is mostly

[3:53:30] coming from taxes. The biggest

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